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If you dont want to be seen as mysogynist comic reading people then why not discuss,now, Vivian Leigh's performance in " Gone with the wind" and its storytelling ability?

Nice tits.

I think she out-acted out-emoted Clark Gable all the way.

He was stuck with the word Celebrity where as Viv was Scarlet O'Hara through to her burking ambition.

I like the bit when the guy gets shot in the face.

I liked the end, where Rhett kicks Scarlett's ass to the curb.  He's give that skank every chance, but she just takes and takes and he just wises up at last and ditches her.  He's all "Fuck you, bitch!" and goes off to drink and whore it up somewhere, and she's got fuck all.  Serves her right, the cunt.

Bear, that quote should go on the poster!

I think I love you Prof. As only a man can platonically love a swearing internet bear.

Like most feminists, I don't have time for reading too much into the supposed empowering of women in blatantly populist cinema.
Although Bambi is quite clearly a parable depicting the need of working-class men to destroy strong-minded single mothers (who don't rely on male figures to support and educate their child) through the obviously phallic imagery of a gun.

The only nuggets of info I know about Gone with the Wind are:

Clark Gable ate loads of garlic every day they were shooting a kissing scene to deliberately fuck Vivian Leigh off, who detested it with a vengeance.

During the burning of the town, the studio did it on the cheap by torching old sets from other films. Included in these were the gates from King Kong.

Right.

For one thing, Im merely using the tagline of mysogynism as a connectivity to a new subject.

I wrote the opening statement in a "phrasology" where the substantiate attention grabber would be soon shorted by the more superior subject matter.

That subject matter,if I was reading the opening staement-as a stranger-would have been Vivienne Lieghs acting ability against Clark Gables Celebrity.

As you obviously need to steal the subject matter to prove your wit and happily engage in a mob mentality,(which by the way shows off more than a little homo-eroticism),one can only assume your responses are but those of dogs in a corner.

Excepting Wils unpredictable sensible post.Surprisingly.

After this,your comments recieve only,meh.:-(

And that you all require nose jobs.

Well, I suppose it could certainly be construed that any exchange of ideas between men is homoerotic in that the creative outlet substitutes for the male inability to concieve children - the arts as the true child of any man's need to reproduce some small part of himself for the world - and the clash of ideas creates a sort of sexual friction/fusion of aforesaid male energies to those who wish to view it as such.
Which makes you a poof, Jimbo - 'cause no-one else was making queer jokes.

Sorry, I couldn't find the GN for this - where can you buy it?

   Steve ;)

As confrontational as your reply is,Bear, may I remind you that consieving yourself as an animal basic immediately creates the paradox of creativity,by ways of constituting thought process inevitability.

Thus unaware of female active generecisms involving torque male syncapations.

To explain; How would you feel in circumstances revealing your darker slyness? inevetably as an animal or some-one who distinguishes the act of humanity as an animallistic act?

Desparation.


B4 U Say it.

You confuse me by making the statement 'act of humanity' - a singular inference rather than generic process, ongoing or otherwise (also not clarified).  Prey tell - how so?

Apart from that "yo' momma, beyatch!"

(and I wouldn't say desperation - I'd say defensive and projecting)

And where in Gone with the Wind does any of the sinopsys entitle any reviewer any , personal claim of authority over their film?


None!

So why is it that you terratorialize like a rampant cat/sex/pig to gain control of said subject matter?

Please feel free to reply via E-mail.


Not that I;ll bother giving it the time of day.


Viv Leigh out shone Clark Gable every ten seconds to one.

What I see is a flagrant grasp at superioity.

...and what I see is a string of posts on various threads that seem to make no sense at all, including one rather nasty attack on another boarder.

What's your problem?

Look.

Amstor,Im not engaging in a personal battle with any, personality on this board.

I am having a thread that is dictated by my beliefs in continuity.

Where-as Bear did not want to co-align in said retinue.

You, Amstor seem to want to provarocate a conflict with your thought through post.

In doing so,insinuate a bullying on my part,which I see as insuturable(?)

But what the heck,Amstor, its your wish that nothing changes,anyone attempting such iodeals will mis-allign eventuallly.

Right?

Hmm.  I think I'll leave it there if posting deliberately off-topic comments and being vaguely offensive - you know, like I do on virtually every thread, and have done since the day I joined the messageboard - is being interpreted as some sort of personal attack on you, Carls.  I could go on and suggest that you're being deliberately provocative to seek attention, rather than just posting bollocks to pass the time like most people - in fact I just have - but if you're looking to get Wake to ban you again, I suggest you find another playmate.  If I thought I was genuinely causing someone stress by posting fluff on the board, I'd step back and stop doing it.  Like I'm doing now.

*shrugs*

I've still got no idea what you're on about, but it's two in the morning and I could just be being dense, so I'm going to leave this one...

I agree, she did have nice tits.

I saw it last week and thought it was a really good film.

I got lost at "female active generecisms involving torque male syncapations".

is this carlsbprg guy, like, a dick, or am i just not clever enough to understand all the scary big words? i personally think you're the white beard guy from the end of matrix reloaded. am i right?

I thought that was Wake?

:: "... a mob mentality ... shows off more than a little homo-eroticism ... your responses are but those of dogs in a corner."

It's a little off-topic, but my sister thinks her dog is gay.

Not impossible fate.
there is a school of thought that says homosexuality in animals is as common as it is in humans, so you never know.
What makes her think this anyway? Is the dog tidying up after itself and listening to Liza Minelli?

"Gone With The Wind" is, actually, a rocking film and not at all girly at all, as it deals with the fate of civilians trapped in the middle of WAR. Scarlets a great character too - especially the moment she declares "I'll never eat dirt again!" and transforms from petty social climer to hardened survivor determined to fuck over everyone else before they fuck over her, which she succeeds at, but with the tragic reuslt that she'll never be with her true love.

It shows up the Anakin to Darth Vader storyline in Star Wars for the vapid shit it is.

Well, rac, the running joke is that my brother-in-law is having an affair with the dog:  but back in reality, her suspicions have been aroused because he pays little attention to female dogs in heat (I'm talking about the dog now, not my brother-in-law, although he too pays little attention to female dogs in heat) but he always trys to bonk male dogs (again, not my brother-in-law, in either case of ambiguity).

Well, as signals go, wanting to mate with males rather than females (the dog this is), is to my untrained eye, a pointer to the dog being gay.

Link: This might help

:: "It shows up the Anakin to Darth Vader storyline in Star Wars for the vapid shit it is."

George Lucas said in this month's Empire (and I'm going to paraphrase): "People have been telling me for years that I can't write or direct".

Not been listening, though, have you George?  He actually complained that the director he had the most trouble "keeping in line" was the one (Kershner?) that directed Empire.  Twat (George, not Kershner or my brother-in-law or my sister's dog).

I'm wildly off topic but I've not actually seen Gone With The Wind all the way through.  I know it's good through osmosis.

Cheers Rac, that solves this years birthday present conundrum nicely.

I had vague plans to take the main character from my FutureQuake story "Talent Show" and put her into what would basicaly be a "Gone With The Wind" in space. Like a lot of these plans it's not really happened. though I might return to something like that at some point.

Link: http://www.arthurwyatt.co.uk/comics/talentshow1.ht

Christ.

You say I read too much into posts.

You all fall for simplifying posts and Im way ahead of yeh.

My own worse enemy, art understood what the thread was on about ,while the rest of you thangs got on with fighting off the long words and creating me as an abhorrance.Even Wils gave good comment.

No. I dont take it personally when good posts are given but I must recooperate the thread after such posts are given.Its a live TV/Films discussion after all!

Here, now through all this shenanegins we have Art showing off a gem of his ideas which if I was an all-seeing smartass like the rest of you would have guessed he had on him.

Once I go into cyberspace I am a blind man and read by fingers.My BAD.So.

Im not saying he was my identifiable allie,either so dont think I am Art.

Sometimes you lot ought to give the smartmouthing a rest if I have any complaint about you.

But what do I know.

Im a dick who provokes like a Troll.

Pfft.

One day. One day! you may just stop and think and get the connection.

Nothing personal.

Carlsborg.

Wow, so I'm, like, your nemesis?

"Wow, so I'm, like, your nemesis?"

Aha!  This explains:

"...involving Torque male syncapations. "
 
Have to say, I thought this thread was a deliberate attempt at light-hearted baiting, and that the Prof's hilarious replies were what was actually being sought.  Shows what I know.

while the rest of you thangs got on with fighting off the long words and creating me as an abhorrance

I resent that.

As is common folkloric filmic knowledgeic, the orgininal line, as given in the script was "Frankly, my dear, I'd love some spam!".  This then segued into them living happily ever after with the whole white picket fence thing.

It was Vivian Leigh that suggested changing the line to "I don't give a damn", thus splitting the couple up and providing the main emotional drama of the relationship.

That bloke with the 'tache was furious at being upstaged by a woman and so ate cow shit before every kissing scene, completetly unaware that Viv had a cow poo fetish and actually really enjoyed it.

I used to have a gay cat. He was a longhair and didn't mind being crimped (I was only a little tank at the time)

Anyhoo, back on topic - What Art said. I'm studying feminist issues in literature and film right now, so i've been following this thread with interest. Unfortunately, I've never managed to watch the whole of Gone With The Wind and have a whacking great essay to write on The Color Purple, so unless you guys wanna help with that, i'll just carry on lurking!
:)
x Tanky

"I know why the caged bird sings" by Mary Angelou?

The Color Purple, Alice Walker's third novel, was published in 1982. The novel brought fame and financial success to its author. It also won her considerable praise and much criticism for its controversial themes. Many reviewers were disturbed by her portrayal of black males, which they found unduly negative. When the novel was made into a film in 1985 by Steven Spielberg, Walker became even more successful and controversial. While she was criticized for negative portrayal of her male characters, Walker was admired for her powerful portraits of black women. Reviewers praised her for her use of the epistolary form, in which written correspondence between characters comprises the content of the book, and her ability to use black folk English. Reflecting her early political interests as a civil rights worker during the 1960s, many of her social views are expressed in the novel. In The Color Purple, as in her other writings, Walker focuses on the theme of double repression of black women in the American experience. Walker contends that black women suffer from discrimination by the white community, and from a second repression from black males, who impose the double standard of white society on women. As the civil rights movement helped shape Ms. Walker's thinking regarding racial issues at home, it also shaped her interest in Africa. During the 1960s, a strong interest in ethnic and racial identity stimulated many African Americans to look for their roots in Africa. The primary theme of The Color Purple, though, reflects Walker's desire to project a positive outcome in life, even under the harshest conditions. Her central character triumphs over adversity and forgives those who oppressed her. This central theme of the triumph of good over evil is no doubt the source of the book's great success.

Wikipedia is my friend.

I wish I hadn't abandoned this thread so quickly, but Carls seemed genuinely upset.  My grandad's dog went a bit mental after he died, and would shag the arse off boy dogs from then on, but not the bitches.  Odd but true.

For anyone who's missed the thread so far, here is a summary of the discussion:

:: "Nice tits."

:: "... female active generecisms involving torque male syncapations."

:: "... 'act of humanity' - a singular inference rather than generic process, ongoing or otherwise"

:: "... a rampant cat/sex/pig ..."

:: "I agree, she did have nice tits."

:: "... my sister thinks her dog is gay."

:: "... Star Wars ... vapid shit ..."

:: "I'm a dick ... Troll."

:: "I used to have a gay cat."

1) Bring up this entire thread on your screen.
2) Copy the whole thing, and transfer into Excel.
3) Sort the text alphabetically
4) Turn your monitor on its side
5) Jog on the spot for 1/2 an hour
6) Now look at the thread again.

It makes no more sense, but at least you'll get some exercise.

Here you go Fate.

Quick Review.
The setting is a Georgia plantation. The year is 1861, and sixteen-year-old Scarlett O'Hara is infatuated with the blond, drowsy-eyed Ashley Wilkes - the problem is, Ashley plans to marry another woman. Little matter that every other man in the county is courting Scarlett and that a charming scoundrel named Rhett Butler is staring at her with questionable intent - she cares only for Ashley.

Suddenly, the Civil War brakes out, changing the fates and fortunes of all. Scarlett, clever, manipulative, and charming, proves an adept survivor - but what will she have to do to survive? And will she ever learn whom it is that she really loves?

GWTW is one of the most meticulously cast films ever; with the possible exception of Leslie Howard as Ashley (in his forties, rather old to be playing a man half that age), every role was perfectly assigned. After you watch Vivien Leigh you will be unable to imagine anyone else playing Scarlett, and Hattie McDaniel's strong, unforgettable performance as "Mammy" netted her an academy award (the first for an African-American actor).

GWTW's backdrop is the gruesome Civil War, and in the end this film is the story a woman and a civilization (the Old South) going through a war that will not leave either of them unchanged.

The cinematography is beautiful, memorable. Gone With the Wind was shot entirely in gorgeous technicolor; the scene of the fire in Atlanta required the use of all eight technicolor cameras in existence at the time.

The pragmatic may think Gone with the Wind overly dramatic; the restless may find it too long; the action-stimulated, too subtle. None of this, however, detracts from the fact that GWTW retains a lasting appeal as one of the crowning cinematic achievements of the 20th century. Those who see its ending as depressing - tragic, even - perhaps miss the point - which Scarlett O'Hara makes in her very last instant with us, tear-stained eyes uplifted in a sudden, curious burst of hope beneath all the turmoil; that .. . "After all, tomorrow is another day."

Some people say it is Rascist hogwash too, so you have to weigh up what the film is really intending to be hailed as.Why it it was made in the Era it was made in.


I tend to lean on the anthrolopogical side of the fence of it firstly being a historical study,in its colonial setting but in present terms could well be a historical study in its self.

By that,I mean a study of how Americans saw themselves in the Fifties,and that usually fits most fifties cinema.

GWTW is the archetype because it also studies human behaviour deep into the grassroots of "scrabbling for a piece of land" and of course Scarlett.

With the nice funbags.
hrmmmph. shakes head

i have a question: what sex is prof bear?

It's nothing special, even compared to other films very much of their time (The Wizard of Oz, for example). A load of sub-Mills & Boon hogwash that is so overpoweringly bland and sentimentalised that it is enough to make you vomit. Plus the narrative thrid person voice over at the beginning neatly eschews the whole issues of racism and the burgeoning civil rights movement by stating that times were simpler in 'them days' and that people quite enjoyed being slaves on plantations anyway. The casting is, for the most part, pretty dreary - Vivien Leigh should have stuck to acting in the theatre, since the only thing her over the top performance brings up here is my lunch. Even Barabara Stanwyck managaed better performances than that.

Best film ever? You've got to be kidding!

no really, its a serous question prof bear m/f?

:: "i have a question: what sex is prof bear?"

Is this in relation to the "As a feminist" comment, because that made me wonder, despite the fact that men can be feminists to.

As it is, I have always assumed that the Professor was a male bear, and a straight one at that.  If it turns out that in fact it is a lesbian bear, then all my assumptions will have been overturned:  something that only happens 34 times a week.

I know women from Cookstown are supposed to be hairy (and Rolf Harris advertises their saussages), but surely this level of hair would be ridiculous if he were a woman?

prof bear is an irish man.

and there were as experiment carried out in the states, they put male flies into sealed petrie dishes in pairs. some male flys started singing mating songs to other flys, sometimes the other was recepting, others just ignored the gay fly, but the majority actually attacked the gay flies. So gay bashing is a natural thing.

Hummm I don?t agree the two things I have found about feminism is that:
1: now two feminists can agree on the principles of feminism (but when you look into it that?s not as daft as it sounds)
2: apart from its a movement/philosophy for women founded by women and by definition if you haven?t got XX chromosomes you don?t have the understanding and experience or correct sex to be one (though you can be a male supporter of the feminist ideals or at least most of them depending on your point of view in the minefield of different and sometimes opposing philosophies that are feminism)
but then it was stated "Like most feminists" not strickly saying that prof is one just insinuating that prof if not being one leans that way anyway then again prof could be messing with our heads... again

that should read "1: no two feminists can agree"

:: "So gay bashing is a natural thing."

Everything in the universe is a "natural thing", so that forms no basis for an argument in favour of beating people up.  In fact, all it proves is that flies can be a bunch of bullying wankers as well.

here here fate

:: that should read "1: no two feminists can agree"

And there was me thinking there'd been a breakthrough.

Having worked with mosquitos for some time, this buisness about gay flies being beaten up whilst singing sounds suspiciously like a load of tommy rot to me.

You do get homosexual bees though.

Speaking as a beekeeper of some years' standing, I can say with certainty that you don't get lesbian bees.

Gay swans are quite common, on the other hand.

The lack of lesbian bees might be due to their decreased numbers, in comparison to male bees, so there is an exponentially incresed need to stay on the 'correct' biological side of the fence.

no, i saw it on the video, it kept kiccking the gay fly as it (the straight fly) tried to get away.

"So gay bashing is a natural thing"

Remind me to tell my friend that the next time he gets the shit beaten out of him...

"i saw it on the video"

Well then, it *must* be true!

Somehow I don't think that it would be as painful for a fly to be 'kicked' by another fly as it is for one human being to be kicked by another human being.

'Remind me to tell my friend that the next time he gets the shit beaten out of him...'

you all realise i was joking about the end bit? it's not something i do

OK - comment retracted.

no worries

Somehow I don't think that it would be as painful for a fly to be 'kicked' by another fly as it is for one human being to be kicked by another human being

Well they probabaly dont wear any sort of boots, so to speak :)

Bringing levity to a serious conversation, Slips

Though that was actually the meaning of my words!

Somehow I don't think that it would be as painful for a fly to be 'kicked' by another fly as it is for one human being to be kicked by another human being

but if you remember the strength size ratio, it's much worse for the fly. and not so nice being kicked in your giant eyes

According to feminist literary criticism, men can be pro-feminist or feminist sympathisers (love that one!) but not your actual feminists. The principles of feminism are to do with socio-economic equality for men and women, but to this day it's still a developing and widening field. (hence the non-agreement point, i guess) As more inequalities are addressed, new ones arise to take their place - like the rights of women to work in any chosen field is being addressed and replaced by the 'glass ceiling' theory.

I wish i had some more gay animal anecdotes to go with that...
x Tanky

Of course 'Feminism', as an abstract political ideology, can technically be applied to anyone meeting a certain set of pre-ordained criteria.

"but if you remember the strength size ratio, it's much worse for the fly. and not so nice being kicked in your giant eyes"

But a fly has significantly less pain receptors than a human being, so it would have much less of an effect.

Anyway, stop being so prejudicial Max - gays, flys...is there any group you won't attack?

hay, fly bashing isn't a crime yet. me and the other local skinz enjoy going out for a night insect beating

Your so insectist Max!

Can't we all just try to get along?

Byron - stop posting pictures of Miss Cookstown, she's retiring at the end of the month and they're out of date - her beard isn't that long anymore.  

Actually, I was only using the "as a feminist' remark as a joke, on account of posting the 'nice tits' and 'cunt' remarks - but the fact that 'feminism' excludes would-be adherants on the basis of gender is surely hypocritical?  Are feminists the commies of the equality campaigning world, then?

Seeing as feminism started as a movement supporting women's independance, it doesn't sound unusual to me. It's a bit out of order to exclude supporters though, definitely

But I would point out that it's only radical feminist theory that doesn't include men - in the overarching philosophy we can find both men and women, due to its nature as a simple abstract series of concepts.

Sorry to hear about the Lady of Cookstown - man, did that beard give me the horn.

ah so prof was messing with our heads... again still nice to know that the board is capable of inteligent discussion as well as the arsing about we all love
thanks tanky for the input as well (smiles with the smugness of validation)

"my sister thinks her dog is gay"

Really?  How does it, er... smell?









Sorry.

Isn't that Doomlord in a hat?

Loving the input,peole.

Turned out to be a nice enough thread after all.

Think Ill join Tweak in the smiling smugly in validation thingy.Spa.




Til someone calls me a twt anyway.

ooh look. someone just did!

and for his next trick, carlsborg will stop running around with all his fingers up his bum, imagining that he is messing with all our heads....any minute now....wait, wait....

p.s. only kidding mate. you're all right!