Now up for pre-order at the Thrillshop: Go here (http://shop.2000adonline.com/categories/comics).
If you order you can choose which cover you want. Subscribers will be given one or the other at random.
Quote from: Dash Decent on 08 September, 2016, 03:12:35 PM
Subscribers will be given one or the other at random.
Tharg should have commissioned a variant cover from Frank Miller (http://www.midwestmarketingltd.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Diora-Combat-Right-Boot.jpg), just to introduce an element of Russian roulette.
Quote from: Frank on 08 September, 2016, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 08 September, 2016, 03:12:35 PM
Subscribers will be given one or the other at random.
Tharg should have commissioned a variant cover from Frank Miller (http://www.midwestmarketingltd.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Diora-Combat-Right-Boot.jpg), just to introduce an element of Russian roulette.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_l_ds-CD9ytM/TI9vQ9HQXbI/AAAAAAAABHg/8Lxm0lK0Azw/s1600/Miller%2BDredd.jpg)
No matter how many times I see that image I can never figure out WTF is going on at the bottom half. :lol:
.
Without challenging the board consensus that Miller is a terrible man - and that even the great old comics he did were always rubbish anyway - I'm going to put my Nuremberg defence counsel hat on and point out that he's concentrated the detail on the image area, reducing the parts he knows will be obscured by text to abstraction.
Crop it, tell the colourist to mute the colours on the leg and boot - so the gun pops - and nobody but Tharg would have been any the wiser. I'm sure I remember someone mocking this up before - it might have been me ...
(http://i.imgur.com/vgBxFwH.png)
P.S I know it was meant for The Megazine
Quote from: Frank on 08 September, 2016, 07:41:39 PMand nobody but Tharg would have been any the wiser
The tiny snags there are 1) it's still at best a weird and not very good image, and 2) didn't Miller flip out when suggestions of making minor changes were made?
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 September, 2016, 07:48:10 PM
didn't Miller flip out when suggestions of making minor changes were made?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClunK_7WMAALsik.jpg)
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0210/4540/products/modern_toss_cards035_2048x2048.png?v=1455556852)
This picture works if you think of Dredd's lower torso hidden in the shadows and the strange thick legs/boot being part of something else. That left leg (on the right of the picture) doesn't even meet up with Dredd's body in the right place (or even 'doesn't meet up with Dredd's body' full stop).
Did Miller ever explain why he did it this way? Did they tell him to finish in a hurry or did he just decide "Ah, stuff this!" halfway through?
Quote from: sheridan on 08 September, 2016, 06:01:26 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_l_ds-CD9ytM/TI9vQ9HQXbI/AAAAAAAABHg/8Lxm0lK0Azw/s1600/Miller%2BDredd.jpg)
If only there was a Dredd artist that Frank could look to who does exaggerated body parts (especially feet) and tricks of perspective well.
Anyway...back to actually discussing Prog 2000....
So subscribers will randomly get the Cliff Robinson or the Chris Burnham one.
I kinda think it would have been better to be told which one we were getting so we could pre-order the other one. (?)
It really does look like Miller had some sort of idea that Dredd is this tough armoured cop that is drawn by the crazy stylised boots guy, so he'll show him unphased at being stuck with loads of tools while bullying a little fella, and then, um, boots...? And, I dunno, faces are hard, a beard, maybe? Ah, close enough, send the invoice.
Oops, sorry Magnetica! Prog 2000 Mk. II. Yes. That. Proceed!
Quote from: Magnetica on 10 September, 2016, 11:00:49 AM
Anyway...back to actually discussing Prog 2000....
So subscribers will randomly get the Cliff Robinson or the Chris Burnham one.
I kinda think it would have been better to be told which one we were getting so we could pre-order the other one. (?)
I agree but it looks like we'll have to wait and then order the other one.
On a different note, first Saturday in yonks that the Prog has failed to arrive. Grrrr.
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 10 September, 2016, 12:17:29 PM
On a different note, first Saturday in yonks that the Prog has failed to arrive. Grrrr.
Same here :(
No prog here - it's always interesting to gauge my emotions when this happens... I mean it's just a comic right!? ;)
Just a comic...sorry I don't understand what you mean???
Sometimes I think I spend more time thinking about 2000AD more than anything else...even football :lol:
Quote from: Magnetica on 10 September, 2016, 02:10:56 PM
Sometimes I think I spend more time thinking about 2000AD more than anything else...even football :lol:
Neither are currently worth thinking about today for me with no prog & the Owls loosing so far... at least Man Utd lost ey?
:)
Quote from: Jacqusie on 10 September, 2016, 03:25:01 PM
the Owls loosing
You should try
Imodium. Everyone hates United because they spend so much money and make football boring by winning everything. Hooray for the plucky underdogs of City.
Quote from: Magnetica on 10 September, 2016, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 10 September, 2016, 12:17:29 PM
On a different note, first Saturday in yonks that the Prog has failed to arrive. Grrrr.
Same here :(
Fancy going bust just before prog 2000. Tharg's floating face down, off the bow of his luxury yacht, the
SS Pension Fund.
Maybe it's been delayed deliberately so as not to have anyone spoil the death in Dredd?
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That would be genius, but Tharg's Future Shop has a huge banner at the top (http://shop.2000adonline.com/) warning that they're switching warehouses (and distribution) during September. Denise (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=9383.0) has licked her last envelope.
I have an outstanding query issue with an order which I addressed to Denise. I guess that's why I've had no reply. Any ideas who to email to get the problem sorted.
Will it be posted earlier like the subscribers get or just normal Wednesday delivery?
Quote from: Tordelback on 10 September, 2016, 11:04:18 AM
Prog 2000 Mk. II. Yes. That. Proceed!
The compulsive pedant in me has to ask ... have we had any word on retrospective Prog numbering nomenclature to avoid confusion between the "annual" Prog 20xx and the "weekly" Prog 20xx?
Personally, I'd go for the letter-suffix approach, i.e. Prog 1173a ("Prog 2000").
Is it wrong that despite all the quality stuff we're getting in Prog 2000 the story i'm most looking forward to is COUNTERFEIT GIRL? Milligan and Dayglo....hhhmmmmm, yeah, thats the stuff!
Quote from: A.Cow on 11 September, 2016, 06:23:00 AM
Quote from: Tordelback on 10 September, 2016, 11:04:18 AM
Prog 2000 Mk. II. Yes. That. Proceed!
The compulsive pedant in me has to ask ... have we had any word on retrospective Prog numbering nomenclature to avoid confusion between the "annual" Prog 20xx and the "weekly" Prog 20xx?
Personally, I'd go for the letter-suffix approach, i.e. Prog 1173a ("Prog 2000").
I thought we'd done this one? As 'annual' Progs marked years and are labelled as such thereforequests Prog 2000 ad , Prog 2001 ad... etc etc. The others coming up areally simply Prog 2000, Prog 2001 etc etc.
Quote from: Colin_MakingyamindUP on 11 September, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: A.Cow on 11 September, 2016, 06:23:00 AM
Quote from: Tordelback on 10 September, 2016, 11:04:18 AM
Prog 2000 Mk. II. Yes. That. Proceed!
The compulsive pedant in me has to ask ... have we had any word on retrospective Prog numbering nomenclature to avoid confusion between the "annual" Prog 20xx and the "weekly" Prog 20xx?
Personally, I'd go for the letter-suffix approach, i.e. Prog 1173a ("Prog 2000").
I thought we'd done this one? As 'annual' Progs marked years and are labelled as such thereforequests Prog 2000 ad , Prog 2001 ad... etc etc. The others coming up areally simply Prog 2000, Prog 2001 etc etc.
I have to delurk here to say, as a fellow pendant (sic), this is something that has rankled with me a touch (in a pendantry kind of way).
It's all very well to say that the "annual" progs are named as years etc, but that flew out the window with Prog 2016, er - Prog 1961 - which like all the other yearly 100 page specials was essentially just another prog only larger and on sale for three weeks... only now numbered just like a normal prog.
Just another prog because the majority of the stories in the subsequent "proper" prog after New Year are a direct continuation from those in the "annual". Different to other special progs, like the actual old school Annuals or Sci-Fi/Winter Specials which were overwhelmingly self contained.
So, for me anyway, being a nit-picking pendant, much as when Prog 520 was picket line crossingly wrongly celebrated as the 10th birthday prog, I'm afraid that the same is happening here with the 2000th issue, which of course actually happened 15 or so weeks ago.
Not that I actually have a solution for it, but it's not exactly unprecedented to have a calendar reformed is it? And it's not as if others haven't done similar numbering shenanigans.
More annoying in a real way is that my Prog hasn't been arriving until TUESDAY in the past 3 or 4 weeks. Where have my Saturday progs gone? I see a few people saying they have had to wait til Monday on occasion, but this is becoming regular for me and is causing a severe Thrill Power depletion that I've had to concern myself with such petulant mundanity as above! :D
Quote from: user2000 on 17 September, 2016, 10:28:20 PM
Not that I actually have a solution for it, but it's not exactly unprecedented to have a calendar reformed is it? And it's not as if others haven't done similar numbering shenanigans.
Of course, the Megazine switched to "absolute" numbering quite a few years back, finally dropping all the "Volume N" nonsense.
Calendar reformation can be a mind-bending experience. Like when the USA purchased Alaska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Alaska#The_Department_of_Alaska_.281867-1884.29) and it switched from the Julian to Gregorian ... and
jumped overnight from 6th to 18th October, with two Fridays in a row. That's pretty wacky.
However, if were were to do that with Tooth, retrospective referencing might get complicated (e.g. Old Prog 1980 = New Prog 1995 or some such). Mind you, it would give us something to moan about as we all get doddery and senile.
Yeah for me not worth the fuss or the effort. The old annual specials were named after the year and were more akin to the old annuals, even if the stories happened to roll into the regular Prog. Some one then changed their mind and made it into a super-sized regular Prog included in the number ordering.
Its really only an issue if you want it to be. Whatever we as individuals think the numbering should or shouldn't be its for the folk that produce the Galaxies Greatest to decide what they use, what will be marked on the cover as the Prog number and therefore what they choose to celebrate.
Quote from: A.Cow on 18 September, 2016, 01:55:30 AM
Mind you, it would give us something to moan about since we are all doddery and senile.
FTFY ;)
BTW if people want to avoid spoilers, Comics Alliance have a preview of prog 2000.
Quote from: Steve Green on 18 September, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
BTW if people want to avoid spoilers, Comics Alliance have a preview of prog 2000.
Nice! :thumbsup:
Great to see Davis Roach back on Anderson. Damn, that man knows how to draw sexy...
Quote from: Steve Green on 18 September, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
BTW if people want to avoid spoilers, Comics Alliance have a preview of prog 2000.
Yeah. It's quite a spoiler, and not flagged as such. Avoid clicking links to it if you want to remain spoiler-free.
Can't find that article. Was it removed?
Quote from: SIP on 19 September, 2016, 05:37:28 PM
Can't find that article. Was it removed?
Seriously. You'll be bloody annoyed if you find it.
(http://i.imgur.com/HLfcnrB.png?1)
Sanity is restored to the universe. Joseph was Stallone's name, not Dredd's.
Quote from: Frank on 19 September, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
Sanity is restored to the universe. Joseph was Stallone's name, not Dredd's.
Joe is short for Joseph. It's the
same name.I've never encountered another group of adults encompassing so many for whom this is an alien concept.
It's still on there on page 5.
When you click on the article it shows a few preview pages, but unless you really don't care about spoilers I'd wait for the prog.
No offence to the other fella but by thors left arse cheek if i dont get a robinson cover there'll be trouble, i swears it :(
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 19 September, 2016, 05:38:54 PM
Quote from: SIP on 19 September, 2016, 05:37:28 PM
Can't find that article. Was it removed?
Seriously. You'll be bloody annoyed if you find it.
I read the article but I'm not annoyed, should I have been?
I'm too scared to read it again in case I missed something and I'll be annoyed this time!!!! :o
Quote from: dweezil2 on 19 September, 2016, 07:20:13 PM
I'm too scared to read it again in case I missed something and I'll be annoyed this time!!!! :o
I didn't read the article, because I went straight to the preview pages, which do contain a fairly major spoiler.
I enjoyed those pages, especially when PJ killed Dredd :o
I guess that confirms the theory PJ has become a Dark Judge. Any theories on why he chose the name Judge Felch?
I'd usually doubt that it's possible to spoiler the premise of a story (rather than the outcome), but it would have been a nice surprise to turn the page of Prog 2000's Dredd story and see [spoiler]Bishop Desmond Snodgrass[/spoiler] rather than see it in a preview.
Ah!
Now I Remember!!!! :lol:
Quote from: Frank on 19 September, 2016, 07:38:24 PM
I guess that confirms the theory PJ has become a Dark Judge. Any theories on why he chose the name Judge Felch?
I now I've seen Judge Dredd follow Judge Felch through the 'glory hole' to confront him I can't unsee it! :o
I'm lax on being spoiled myself, so I gotta say, that preview for the Dredd story is awesome! :D Didn't mind seeing that.
Spoiler free review of Prog 2000
http://cool-stuff-you-will-like.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/2000ad-prog-2000-review.html
I thought this would be the appropriate thread to share it.
In honour of Prog 2000 we decoupaged our coffee table!
:D
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x32/scowling_monkey/E41A018F-2FEC-418E-A0A5-D609131C2261_zpsvwhhwfiw.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/scowling_monkey/media/E41A018F-2FEC-418E-A0A5-D609131C2261_zpsvwhhwfiw.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x32/scowling_monkey/6C401FBE-50FB-4D5D-8A05-4D8CA30F6F60_zpscfmq2eon.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/scowling_monkey/media/6C401FBE-50FB-4D5D-8A05-4D8CA30F6F60_zpscfmq2eon.jpg.html)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x32/scowling_monkey/CC73FB1F-A4DB-498E-A39D-238EC21AF7BD_zpswfbeecyp.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/scowling_monkey/media/CC73FB1F-A4DB-498E-A39D-238EC21AF7BD_zpswfbeecyp.jpg.html)
Heh, that's great! :-)
Now that is an awesome table!
WANT!
That table is table-tastic! Very cool.
Great stuff! Like the way that the top's in colour like the cover and the inside's in black and white.
Excited about Prog 2000 being delivered tomorrow - fingers crossed - not read any spoilers but know there's new Bolland, McMahon and O'Neill art. And it's super sized. What a treat!
Absolutely love what SM has done with the table. Z :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Geoff on 23 September, 2016, 03:35:42 PM
Excited about Prog 2000 being delivered tomorrow - fingers crossed - not read any spoilers but know there's new Bolland, McMahon and O'Neill art. And it's super sized. What a treat!
There's a Prog 2000?! You've
ruined it for me, you
bastard!
SM love the table. Are they photocopies of covers etc that you've cut out or are they, gulp, original progs?
Here's a similar effort I helped create during my student days-nothing as artistic though!
Bloody students (shakes fist)!
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/mubhceeb/image_24.jpeg) (http://s71.photobucket.com/user/mubhceeb/media/image_24.jpeg.html)
Ah, the old big Miller cans - whatever happened to those beauties!? Obv nobody gives XXXX for them anymore....
I'll get my coat...
Quote from: Geoff on 23 September, 2016, 03:35:42 PM
Excited about Prog 2000 being delivered tomorrow - fingers crossed -
The Saturday prog delivery has been a bit hit & miss recently... Surely they have got the distribution right for this of all weeks ... haven't they?
:-X
I await the postie with bated breath.
Hopefully he'll turn up within the next hour as I shall soon be leaving for the sunny climes of Middlesbrough.
COYS!
Quote from: Rio De Fideldo on 23 September, 2016, 04:25:33 PM
SM love the table. Are they photocopies of covers etc that you've cut out or are they, gulp, original progs?
Colour photocopies!! There's no way I'm going to decimate my prog collection for a coffee table!! Even if I do have three or four copies of a lot of progs! :D
Thanks for the comments folks - it was my partner's idea. She's an amazing wannabe interior designer, and she has already transformed my living room into a tasteful shrine to all things 2000AD. She's not a fan, but had read a few progs, and enjoyed the recent Dredd/Maybe episodes.
The Prog has landed! :D
I got the Chris Burnham cover.
Not going to have time to read it. I will wait until tomorrow but it is out there people!
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 24 September, 2016, 08:52:01 AM
Quote from: Rio De Fideldo on 23 September, 2016, 04:25:33 PM
SM love the table. Are they photocopies of covers etc that you've cut out or are they, gulp, original progs?
Colour photocopies!! There's no way I'm going to decimate my prog collection for a coffee table!! Even if I do have three or four copies of a lot of progs! :D
Thanks for the comments folks - it was my partner's idea. She's an amazing wannabe interior designer, and she has already transformed my living room into a tasteful shrine to all things 2000AD. She's not a fan, but had read a few progs, and enjoyed the recent Dredd/Maybe episodes.
Be interested to know how you chose which covers to use. Interesting selection.
Just had a quick flick through.
WOW!
Can't wait until tomorrow morning.
It truly is a thing of beauty.
Am I right in thinking that the 3rd cover is only available from comic book stores?
Gotta get em all!
I think you can order it from the online store too?
No Saturday prog for me AGAIN - I think it's been about 5 or 6 weeks since I last had the "usual" service.
And there is a local post holiday here on Monday just to compound my disappointment... :'(
Bah!
I KNEW it wouldnt turn up today :( i want me bleedin prog!
I've also got the Chris Burnham cover. Like Matt, just saw it whilst heading out the door. Can't wait till I get back later!
So, mine just arrived. Not read it yet, as this is to be savoured, but the artwork thoughout is stunning. ( I must say, though, even with all these legends present....Mark Sexton. You sir, are amazing!) :D
Whets the bloody post women argh
Where is the bloody post women argh predictive text
Now of course the big question is will we get a proper review thread or will we be using this one?
Still waiting for mine to drop but the unpredictability of the Sheffield post means I have no idea when it'll land...
Just looking at the cliff robinson cover - im getting that one no matter what! Proper anniversary cover :)
My prog turned up today, hand delivered to me by my daughter while I was still snoozing, bless her! A blast of Thrill Power handed to you first thing is better than being delivered a morning cuppa by my youngsters, particularly as it's Prog 2000!!
Quote
Be interested to know how you chose which covers to use. Interesting selection.
I hit Barney first of all, just to remind myself of the awesome covers. I wanted my favourite artists visible on the top, and wanted the covers to reflect the period of time where 2000AD had the most impact on my impressionable young mind. Dillon, Ezquerra, Higgins, Fabry, Ewins, and Bollabd made the top spot, closely followed by Ron Smith, Kev O'Neill, Ortiz, and Gibson and McMahon.
Then I had to consider my fave characters. Dredd came top, naturally, followed by Alpha, Abderson, Torquemada, Kano, Rogue etc etc.
Once I'd dug out the covers my partner took them into work to copy (she's hands down the most amazing woman I've ever met), and then I relied on her design skills to help put them all together in a pleasing effect on the table.
I also dug out a load of my fave stories in the B&W edition, and used those pages for underneath.
My partner suggested I also get a spare Prog 2000 to use the cover as a centrepiece, but at the moment I'm happy with the way the table looks.
Postie just turned up, cliff Robinson cover, had a quick look but gonna save it for a Sunday morning read in peace
Photos as soon as SM?? Z
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 24 September, 2016, 11:18:39 AM
I hit Barney first of all, just to remind myself of the awesome covers. I wanted my favourite artists visible on the top, and wanted the covers to reflect the period of time where 2000AD had the most impact on my impressionable young mind. Dillon, Ezquerra, Higgins, Fabry, Ewins, and Bollabd made the top spot, closely followed by Ron Smith, Kev O'Neill, Ortiz, and Gibson and McMahon.
Nice to see some love for José Ortiz. His best work was outside the pages of 2000AD (Thirteenth Floor, and Max is one of the best British comic creations of the eighties) but I really liked Helltrekkers, even if F M Candor didn't rate it highly (whatever happened to them?) Rogue Trooper didn't quite click with me, though I suppose Ortiz did differentiate those travels as being on a different world to Nu-Earth.
acht...scunnered! Working today and Huff mansions a building site so Grud knows what state my prog will be, still will have a new roof in a months time...
(http://i.imgur.com/6WeApVd.png)
which is nice
Got the Cliff Robinson cover. Well happy with that.
Haven't got my Fabry cover from FP yet - hopefully that will come on Monday
Only read Dredd so far. Nice page from Bolland. Good episode of Dredd even though [spoiler]it reads more like an episode of Strontium Dog. And despite Johnny's appearance I still don't really consider the Dredd and Stront world's to be one and the same - I just can't see the Mega Cities becoming what we see in Stront -its just doesn't make sense. So for me more of a fun throw away episode.[/spoiler]
PROG 2000 HAS LANDED, on my doorstep as least anyway. very unusual for a Saturday delivery, Haven't read it yet but settling down for a good read now. How many variant covers are there?
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 24 September, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
PROG 2000 HAS LANDED, on my doorstep as least anyway. very unusual for a Saturday delivery, Haven't read it yet but settling down for a good read now. How many variant covers are there?
3 variant covers, with the Fabry one only available at comic shops.
3covers in total ....okay so I buy one from thargs shop and look for the other at forbidden planet or toher comics shop ! cheers for the info,..
Progless in Gaza.
The horror, the horror!
Just read mine. Bloody great issue. No grumbles at all, and loads of lovely touches throughout. Top stuff, creator droids.
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 24 September, 2016, 11:12:49 AM
Now of course the big question is will we get a proper review thread or will we be using this one?
Let's use this one.
Wonderful Anderson by David Roach, probably the pick of the prog so far for me, just a shame it's not a full story/series by him.
I must admit I never saw the Dredd story coming, a good idea executed brilliantly and hopefully it won't be the last of this pairing in the future - as someone has mooted already - these two in space rounding up the Dark Judges would be pretty special!
:thumbsup:
Thank you so much, that's very kind of you.
Anyone elses poster back to front? :) I was going to buy the other covers anyway, Tharg!
Quote from: Magnetica on 24 September, 2016, 12:07:29 PM
[spoiler]I still don't really consider the Dredd and Stront world's to be one and the same - I just can't see the Mega Cities becoming what we see in Stront -its just doesn't make sense[/spoiler]
A kind of [spoiler]spoiler[/spoiler] insanity appears to have infected the forum.
Dredd can exist in Alpha's past without Alpha (and his world) being part of Judge Dredd's future. Here's a Nobel laureate to explain the four dimensional physics of this complex, abstruse, and impenetrable theory (link (https://youtu.be/WolcbNTNX5I?t=39)):
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrd9m4Q2pjpIW7UNaRd3wxWPoHGfbq9dHowFyxGqq-UZqM9xOL)
Ok read it all now.
Great Prog. Reads like a summer special only better.
Great art all round mostly. There is Bolland plus what I would consider the Bolland clones - Cliff Robinson, David Roach, Mark Sexton.
Elsewhere McMahon does his more modern style, which I don't really like, Kev O'Neill does Nemesis in the style of The Final Conflict (but...I prefer what he did on Books I, III and IV) and Colin MacNeil tries something now again (or it it just that it is in black and white).
The stand out art wise has to be David Roach's Anderson, especially what looks like pencils for Anderson's face. Quite an achievement considering who else is this Prog.
Good stories all round, but Rogue feels a little light weight. SInDex seems to be setting up a bit of intrigue for a new series (hurrah!). The Tharg one pagers provide a nice narrative through the whole thing.
Not sure about new thrill Counterfeit Girl. Rufus Daylo again seems to be doing his Brett Ewins impression, but thankful the dotted pattern shading (sorry can't remember the technical term) has been dropped.
Stand out story for me is Dredd.
Quick question- is the centre pull out poster by Cliff Robinson in all variants, or does the Chris Burnham and Glenn Fabry covers feature posters by them instead?
And you know what Frank - I was thinking exactly that myself - but not based on Back To the Future but rather on the actual physic theory of alternative histories - there was a recent I programme on this I watched (Horizon or BBC4). And I remember studying an early similiar theory put forward by the late great Richard Feynman.
I agree with Frank about how Dredd and Stront fit together - Dredds world is Strotns past, but Dredd doesnt necessarily have to follow that future, as we have seen in various other time travel Dredd shananigans. As for Dredds world becoming Alphas? Well there is the Great War of 2150 to knock out most Mega Cities - look how Day of Chaos has already started to eat away at the majesty of the Judge's Empire.
One thing that I dont quite get in the Dredd is the setting [spoiler] of the story in 2220, which doesnt really work for either Stront (which should be set in the dying years of the 22nd Century, given Alpha "dies" in 2187 and is resurrected 9 or so years after that lets say 2196 or some year after that to give him time to fight the second mutant war and all - thats before we get into why the Cal clones would be around and after Dredd's head 120 years after their clone dad rather than around about now in Dredd's own timeline. I'm going to go with a typo again -should be 2200 - in homage to Stront stories where typo'd dates abound (2158 rather than 2185 in Ragnorak Job/Rage for example). Doesnt eplain teh Cal clones though! [/spoiler]
Anyway, enough nit pickery - it is an awesome thing, with all stories delivering. I think Counterfeit Girl looks great and Rufus has done a bang up job on it - storywise theres a bit too much in panel exposition for me, but interesting none the less.
Nemesis was interesting, seeing as it is set [spoiler]after the "final end" of the previous prog 2000! So Nemesis is back, right? Henry Flint series to follow?[/spoiler]
Did anyone get the Cliff Robinson cover? Is the logo really printed wonky? :eh:
I got the Burnham cover, complete with Alan Craddock 90's style colouring - which I have to say for the 2000th edition cover doesn't really have an impact for such an occasion. The art isn't anything special IMHO and there are plenty other 2000AD artists who could have made their mark. I suppose it was deliberate using a stateside artist for the cover to get the US sales interested.
Still it means I will eventually be getting all 3 covers!
My poster was also 'white side up' when the DPS was open. I'm considering some careful 'staple opening'. As for art styles, I was really happy to see everyone in the mix, and disappointed by nothing. I love McMahon's newer style. There's so much energy in his work, and the only negative is that this single-pager doesn't somehow herald the start of a three-month McMahon Sláine run, or more of his Dredd. In fact, strong composition and energy were evident throughout, whether looking at the Nemesis coda, Roach's frame of Anderson giving Death a good kicking, or Dayglo/Regan's vibrant offerings in Counterfeit Girl.
Like I said earlier, I thought it was all great. The Dredd was fun (and I don't care that much about the dates, given how entertaining the story was), and the Nemesis – the strip I was a bit concerned about – was an amusing full-stop for a series that had already ended well. Superb stuff all round.
(Jacqusie: Yes, the logo on the Robinson cover's at an angle, presumably intentionally.)
Quote from: Jacqusie on 24 September, 2016, 04:28:35 PM
Did anyone get the Cliff Robinson cover? Is the logo really printed wonky? :eh:
Yes you are right it is wonky. I hadn't notice that, but it is. But you see Tharg has his hand on it and is using it to steady himself and is pushing it up a bit.
Quote from: Magnetica on 24 September, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
Great Prog. Reads like a summer special only better.
You know, I think this is the best definition of the prog for me. Perhaps this is the greatest strength, that so much of the prog was isolated rather than continuing storylines. There were so many great setups without them necessarily following on next week. I do get where some of the issues with Dredd are coming from but at the end of the day we are dealing with fiction aren't we? That said, I am also a subscriber to Pratchett's interpretation of the trousers of time ( I refer the reader to Jingo ).
I did feel like the Tharg interludes pulled punches a little mind. Or perhaps it is a case of so much has changed since Tharg's Head Revisited. It would be interesting to see a follow up to that strip, dealing with the changes that have been affected since then.
I'M NOT USING SPOILER TAGS, so if you haven't read it yet then move along.
I loved this week's Dredd story, which for me is the stand-out of the prog (although Roach's art was fabulous too, and I liked the way SB Davies's art was used for one panel in SinDex).
Don't try to over-think Dredd. We don't really need to know why all these Cal clones are around so many years later, just go with it. (Incidentally, this story is the first time Dredd has actually killed Cal himself -- previously that was Fergee and Darien McKenzie.)
I don't have a problem with Dredd and Stront being in the same universe / timeline, whatever. I quite like it. And as others have pointed out, Alpha is only in one of Dredd's possible futures. (That said, the Doc's explanation in Back to the Future Part II doesn't apply here, because if it did, then Alpha wouldn't be able to come back and see Dredd post-Judgement Day, assuming that that's when the timelines diverged.)
As for the date 2220, while that's a bit further in the future than I'd expected to see, it's not so implausible. If Alpha was aged around, say, 20 when we first met him in 2180, then he'd only be about 60 in this story, or even younger given that he was dead for ten years.
Nice to see Bolland do Dredd again.
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 24 September, 2016, 11:16:24 AM
Just looking at the cliff robinson cover - im getting that one no matter what! Proper anniversary cover :)
Ha, my feelings exactly. As nice as the Burnham / Fairburn one is, the Cliff Robinson is the one for me!
Quote from: Richard on 24 September, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
I'M NOT USING SPOILER TAGS, so if you haven't read it yet then move along.
As for the date 2220, while that's a bit further in the future than I'd expected to see, it's not so implausible. If Alpha was aged around, say, 20 when we first met him in 2180, then he'd only be about 60 in this story, or even younger given that he was dead for ten years.
Nice to see Bolland do Dredd again.
Yeah, a 60 year old future medicine Alpha might be plausible, but he would definitely be 70 if we went with 2220 and McNulty a good deal old than that. (and sorry for the geek fest that follows - I blame Bolt-1!)
Alpha was born in 2150 - joined up with the SD agency at its inception in 2167. Met Wulf in 2170. We first see them in action in Starlord 1 in 2180. In 2185, Max Bubba kills Wulf. 2 Years later, the events of the Final solution unfold. 7 years after that, Precious Matson taskes McNulty with tracking down Feral but it takes 2 years after that (so 2196) for them to find Alpha - current stories taking place some time soonish after that we can assume.
None of that bothers me too much - as I say, it is in the Grand tradition of Stront to mess up it's dates while remaining otherwise remarkably consistent continuity-wise!
I forgot he was born in 2150. So chronologically he'd be 70, but physiologically 61. Middenface would be far too old though. Date should have been 2200.
I'd not been overly-excited by the preview press for this. Pages by Bolland etc, 1 off stories of favourites - been done before. It seems like every major anniversary we get a Tharg nostalgia strip usually focussing in the newsprint period. I was looking forward to it, mind, just not in a big way.
Well, I was wrong. Loved it all. I think my favourite moment was the reveal of Nemesis with Torque's Crown Jewels. What could have been a tired re-tread of the series was instead a strip with some really nasty ideas - true thrill-power. Loved the end of Sinister Dexter. Someone mentioned earlier that it felt like a sci-fi special. For me it was more like the Dredd annuals of the early 80s where they strived to get the top drawer talent in. Dredd in particular felt like it should have been bound in between those hard covers.
And I loved the next Prog image. Here's to the next 1000 progs - I should still be alive for Prog 3000!
Quote from: Richard on 24 September, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
... assuming (Judgement Day)'s when the timelines diverged
You say it yourself, Rich - the fact Alpha's shown up in MC1 means the date the timelines* diverge is still sometime in Dredd's future. There's no reason to assume Dredd or Alpha cause the split either; it's not as if they're the only ones Rod Tayloring time to fit their cloth (http://d28hgpri8am2if.cloudfront.net/book_images/onix/cvr9781781084250/judge-dredd-dead-zone-9781781084250_hr.jpg).
Maybe Torquemada dropped his chainsaw while being pursued by Gorehead through the time wastes, causing the ABC Warriors to defeat the Harlem Heroes in the Super-Aerobowl. A fight breaks out in the crowd, pitching Bruce Wayne versus Lobo versus Alien versus Predator versus Original Rogue Trooper.
* Wagner doesn't regard Dredd and Alpha as sharing a timeline. He says their team-ups are just a bit of fun, making this discussion irrelevant but entertaining fanwank.
A Prog like this can never live up to the hype, how can it possibly live up to the expectation and anticipation? It always runs the risk of being a little twee and self indulgent, well earnt and deserved, but not necessarily making for a satisfying read.
Well incredibly Prog 2000 actually gets close to the former and while it dances with, it avoids the latter. Its just a bloomin' good Prog and I think Magnetica nails it when he says
Quote from: Magnetica on 24 September, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
Great Prog. Reads like a summer special only better.
I got the Burnham cover and my poster was backwards.
But onto the more important matters of the thrills.
Dredd probably snuggles up to self indulgence more than any of the other stories but Wagner and Ezquerra are experienced enough to keep it on just the right side and this is a fun well structured story that uses its nostaglia well, to turn what could have been forced and uncomfortable into something fun and uncompromised. Great thrill.
Nemesis danced a similar fine line and did it almost as well. My one gripe is it turned the fitting fate of our leads from the end of Book 10 on its head and gave us a winner and a loser, which just doesn't seem right. Nemesis and Torquemada locked in grim union was such a great ending so the events here while fun rather remove that fantastic full stop on the original stories... mind all that said it was fantastic to see them duel again and maybe in ten years we'll get the tables turned to restore the balance. So ya know what all in all I'm happy this exists.
In a Prog of many great thrills its possible the one I'm least invested in was the best. LOVED
Rogue Trooper a great set up (I'm assuming) for hunted starting next Prog. Everything was spot on. It worked on its own but perfectly set up what I think is coming. A supremely neat little tale fantastically realised.
Anderson was a delight on the eye and a great punchy tale. Again it could have felt indulgent but didn't. Two masters using all their experience to entertain and indulge us. Nice.
Now I'm going to say this one more time but this next one could also have been the best thing in the Prog.
Sinister Dexter looked stunning but played a lovely game of setting up things to come toying with the fact forgotten and hidden identity of the Edsel is as memorable as its owner and partner. Just fantastic.
Finally as is so fitting we have a new thrill to top things off
Counterfeit Girl gives us the other best thrill of the Prog. What a GREAT opener. We're on very familiar ground from Milligan here and identity will be the main theme here and its laid bare in front of us here. Its also clear that the exploration will again be twisty and compelling, fantastic and adventurous as ever. I'm so looking forward to this one.
Interweaved with all this is a cute little journey through time with Tharg and a cast of glories from the past. Its fitting possibly that lovely though these pages are the best is the back cover revealing that next week we have a great team on Dredd, Flesh back, Hunted carrying on the Rogue story here (I guess) Savage returning and more Counterfeit Girl. As Tharg says "Here's to what lies beyond!"
A massive well done to all involved. You know what you thrilled me, for the 2000th time!
Thank you- I'm more than happy to be a delight to the eye!
Thank you Magnetica- I wasn't sure how the review was going to go sat first! But I'm really glad you liked the strip.
MOTHER'S ASHES in the NOSEBAG of the Arch-Deviant! What a prog!
Cliff Robinson cover and then Bolland Dredd on the first page. Dredd perfection - we need a full strip from that man. Please give him another fatties script Tharg. (or any other for that matter)
Loved the Dredd tale, as has been said before very much like one you'd get in an annual or special. McMahon up next and whilst his new style seems to be like Marmite - I love it. Nemesis - see the quote above - hilarious. Gibbons on the VCs and Bad Company was nice to see and is Rogue Trooper back? Always liked him, but lost track after Will Simpson and Friday.
Nice to see Robin Smith in the prog again and leading into a sublime vision of Anderson - balm to my eyes.
Was never a big fan of SinDex but liked this one - maybe it's because of the car and Sexton's art..
Counterfeit girl is my only wobble 'anyone fighting the system.. gets my services for free' mmmn But it's action packed, full of life and the art's so vibrant it's hard to be too hard on it.
Fantastic Prog - great mix of past glories and visions for the future. Loved it, thanks to the old Droids for chipping in and to all involved!
Gushing enough....
Sublime! goodness me- thank you!
'Takes up position in bed, facing calendar, preparing the hibernate until Wednesday'
Quote...making this discussion irrelevant but entertaining fanwank.
Yes but that's what the Internet is for (besides porn).
It's hard to believe that Alpha's generation wouldn't remember Sabbat and a global zombie war, which is why Judgement Day seemed like the most likely suspect. But you do have a point about the fact that lots of people have been messing around with history, so we can always chalk it up to something we just don't know about.
Going back to the Top Dog crossover etc, I had thought the consensus or explanation was just that Johnny came from a parallel reality, or another dimension/timeline, like in that show Sliders or something. Or maybe that's just what I thought made sense.
Kind of like the Batman crossover around that time, which is canon. Somebody blips into Dredd's word, I just look at it like that. Though I know it's also fun to tie them all together, I also remember discussions on here about ABC Warriors timeline and Dredd etc.
Knowing that each other likes to do their own thing with their fictional playground, and all the inconsistencies, I just look at them as separate universes/realities.
I'm stoked to read this prog! It will be my first prog, and jumping on point for current stories, I will be getting the Chris Burnham Cover.
How is it that so many of you have read it? According to the website it comes out Sept. 28 (this Wednesday). I'm hoping my comic shop will have a copy. I have avoided all spoilers thus far...
Subscribers get them early.
Quote from: Magnetica on 24 September, 2016, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: Jacqusie on 24 September, 2016, 04:28:35 PM
Did anyone get the Cliff Robinson cover? Is the logo really printed wonky? :eh:
Yes you are right it is wonky. I hadn't notice that, but it is. But you see Tharg has his hand on it and is using it to steady himself and is pushing it up a bit.
I'll be writing Cliff's cover's 2000AD Covers Uncovered piece today, but the original idea was that all the 2000AD logos of old were being sucked into a black hole and the mighty one was saving the current one. Read more later today!
(http://s21.postimg.org/l4kg7dt87/IMG_0978.jpg)
Well that was huge fun. Dredd / Alpha felt a bit rushed (Dredd heading off to the future without calling it in was remiss of him) but that's the nature of a one and done story and it was so much fun it's churlish to complain. No problem with the Cal clones. They could have been found in tanks or some mad professor finds the DNA in alphas time or anything. Really enjoyed Nemesis and my first thought was it leaves Nemesis free to have a new series (by Flint) too. In a prog with Bolland, McMahon and Gibbons its Dave Roach's art that stands out. Stunning
Quote from: Pete Wells on 25 September, 2016, 07:28:11 AM
I'll be writing Cliff's cover's 2000AD Covers Uncovered piece today, but the original idea was that all the 2000AD logos of old were being sucked into a black hole and the mighty one was saving the current one. Read more later today!
(http://s21.postimg.org/l4kg7dt87/IMG_0978.jpg)
Nooooooooo!!! How could they miss out my second favourite* -- the stripey one? A logo which (rather handily) complements the
Starlord mention by name-checking
Tornado?
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/logopedia/images/7/77/0003._Aug_25_1979_-_Oct_6_1979_(127-133).png/revision/latest?cb=20130606185351)
Probably a good thing they changed the picture, then. I still haven't got over Tharg killing-off M.A.C.H.1 back in 1978 ... I don't know if I could have coped with a logo snub too.
(* Of course the Kev O'Neill original logo is my first favourite.)
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2016, 01:44:20 AM
Going back to the Top Dog crossover etc, I had thought the consensus or explanation was just that Johnny came from a parallel reality, or another dimension/timeline, like in that show Sliders or something. Or maybe that's just what I thought made sense.
Kind of like the Batman crossover around that time, which is canon. Somebody blips into Dredd's word, I just look at it like that. Though I know it's also fun to tie them all together, I also remember discussions on here about ABC Warriors timeline and Dredd etc.
Knowing that each other likes to do their own thing with their fictional playground, and all the inconsistencies, I just look at them as separate universes/realities.
Exactly this.
Dimensions and Time Travel are inextricably linked in Dredd/Stront - see the Batman Dredd cross overs, where Deaths dimension jumps take him "back" in time. No one assumes that Gotham is part of Dredd's past? See also the Staples Death story where Death and Dredd travel back to deathworld, but ends up back in Deadworld's past
When you travel in time you are implicitly also travelling in dimensions, so I think it can work however you want it to work - the Batman model could apply to Alpha, or Alpha's past could be "the same as" Dredds, though the very fact of travelling back to it spins Dredds world as we see it off onto a different path.
As for remembering the Sabbat events in Stronts future, the Ragnorak Job gives us the closest explanation for that - when you go back in time you only rewrite history from the point you traavel back - when MAx Bubba starts throwing people into volcanoes - they dont get wiped out of time from birth - they just start popping out of existence as time gets rewritten.
Quote from: Darren Stephens on 24 September, 2016, 10:59:45 AM
So, mine just arrived. Not read it yet, as this is to be savoured, but the artwork thoughout is stunning. ( I must say, though, even with all these legends present....Mark Sexton. You sir, are amazing!) :D
Cheers Darren! It was an absolute blast doing the story, and quite frankly I still can't believe I was asked to do something for Prog 2000. All hail the Mighty One!
Quote from: James Stacey on 25 September, 2016, 09:23:11 AM
Well that was huge fun. Dredd / Alpha felt a bit rushed (Dredd heading off to the future without calling it in was remiss of him) but that's the nature of a one and done story and it was so much fun it's churlish to complain. No problem with the Cal clones. They could have been found in tanks or some mad professor finds the DNA in alphas time or anything. Really enjoyed Nemesis and my first thought was it leaves Nemesis free to have a new series (by Flint) too. In a prog with Bolland, McMahon and Gibbons its Dave Roach's art that stands out. Stunning
Thank you so much James- It's incredibly kind of you- I've been dreaming of a comment like this for 30 years! Maybe I need to get out more....
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 25 September, 2016, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 25 September, 2016, 09:23:11 AM
Well that was huge fun. Dredd / Alpha felt a bit rushed (Dredd heading off to the future without calling it in was remiss of him) but that's the nature of a one and done story and it was so much fun it's churlish to complain. No problem with the Cal clones. They could have been found in tanks or some mad professor finds the DNA in alphas time or anything. Really enjoyed Nemesis and my first thought was it leaves Nemesis free to have a new series (by Flint) too. In a prog with Bolland, McMahon and Gibbons its Dave Roach's art that stands out. Stunning
Thank you so much James- It's incredibly kind of you- I've been dreaming of a comment like this for 30 years! Maybe I need to get out more....
It's not fair!
I've got to wait until Wednesday to experience it!
Always loved your Anderson David, so can't wait to read it!
Anymore tales for Tharg lined up? :)
Quote from: dweezil2 on 25 September, 2016, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 25 September, 2016, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 25 September, 2016, 09:23:11 AM
Well that was huge fun. Dredd / Alpha felt a bit rushed (Dredd heading off to the future without calling it in was remiss of him) but that's the nature of a one and done story and it was so much fun it's churlish to complain. No problem with the Cal clones. They could have been found in tanks or some mad professor finds the DNA in alphas time or anything. Really enjoyed Nemesis and my first thought was it leaves Nemesis free to have a new series (by Flint) too. In a prog with Bolland, McMahon and Gibbons its Dave Roach's art that stands out. Stunning
Thank you so much James- It's incredibly kind of you- I've been dreaming of a comment like this for 30 years! Maybe I need to get out more....
It's not fair!
I've got to wait until Wednesday to experience it!
Always loved your Anderson David, so can't wait to read it!
Anymore tales for Tharg lined up? :)
There's nothing imminent I'm sorry to say. This one came out of the blue- but I've said I'm more than happy to do more. Dr Who does tend to take up most of my time, but drawing the inhabitants of Mega City 1 is just so much fun, I'd never turn down the chance.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 25 September, 2016, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 25 September, 2016, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 25 September, 2016, 09:23:11 AM
Well that was huge fun. Dredd / Alpha felt a bit rushed (Dredd heading off to the future without calling it in was remiss of him) but that's the nature of a one and done story and it was so much fun it's churlish to complain. No problem with the Cal clones. They could have been found in tanks or some mad professor finds the DNA in alphas time or anything. Really enjoyed Nemesis and my first thought was it leaves Nemesis free to have a new series (by Flint) too. In a prog with Bolland, McMahon and Gibbons its Dave Roach's art that stands out. Stunning
Thank you so much James- It's incredibly kind of you- I've been dreaming of a comment like this for 30 years! Maybe I need to get out more....
It's not fair!
I've got to wait until Wednesday to experience it!
Always loved your Anderson David, so can't wait to read it!
Anymore tales for Tharg lined up? :)
QuoteMaybe I need to get out more...
But then you'd draw less. Maybe you should stop going out altogether.
Cheers for the response David!
Hopefully it won't be too long 'till Tharg come a calling! :)
Agree with comments on here. The opening page and the Anderson story was beautifully drawn. The whole prog was to be honest, spoilt for choice.
A massive congratulations to all those involved. It was stunning from cover to cover.
Just to add to add to all the love in the room, it was a great read.
Perfect mix of misty eyed nostalgia for the golden age and a well deserved celebration of the current platinum(?) age.
I feel very lucky to be part of this cool club and can't wait to see what the next 2000 progs bring us.
Florix grabundae!
The making of Cliff's cover is up, see it here: http://2000adonline.com/post/829 (http://2000adonline.com/post/829)! Two more to go...
(http://2000adonline.com/assets/pimg/00/0a/27-460.jpg)
A great issue - somewhat reminiscent of 'Tharg's Head Revisited' in Prog 500 with lots of the greatest artists coming back for a small tribute. A real treat with the only minor grumble being the lack of any reader input - but there again you kneeew I was gonna say that!
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 24 September, 2016, 11:20:03 PM
'Takes up position in bed, facing calendar, preparing the hibernate until Wednesday'
:(
53 hours left.
gah.
Quote from: Richard on 25 September, 2016, 03:08:35 PM
QuoteMaybe I need to get out more...
But then you'd draw less. Maybe you should stop going out altogether.
Indeed so- why hadn't I thought of that before?
Quote from: dweezil2 on 25 September, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
Cheers for the response David!
Hopefully it won't be too long 'till Tharg come a calling! :)
Yes- I really loved doing the strip and I'm more than happy to do more believe me.
Absolutely brilliant from cover to cover. 10/10
........and THAT is how you draw Anderson!
Well done to 2000AD for reaching prog 2000!
And what a great way to celebrate this milestone, with writers and artists old and new coming together to make this the best prog by far for ages!
My obvious favourite was Dredd/Strontium Dog written and drawn by two masters. Great to see my namesake make an appearance in this story.
It was great to see the anarchy of Kevin O'Neil within the prog, drawing Nemesis. The only problem I had was the final frame, which saw one of the worst villains in 2000AD crucified. I admit that was hard for me to read.
Also, the page before the Judge Anderson story stated that Robohunter was a Judge Dredd spin off. But I never connected Sam Slade's universe with Judge Dredd. Outside of a superficial naming of Brit-Cit, there is no overlap in these worlds. Grant and Roach really nailed the story and the art with this Anderson story.
Outside of these two complaints I want to say again how great this entire prog has come together. The Rogue Trooper and Sin-Dex stories were also enjoyable and having The Mighty One give us a tour was inspired. The Milligan/Dayglo piece at the end was interesting and hopefully should develop well.
All in all a great, great prog. Well done guys!
I really enjoyed this. Everything in it was just glowing, like all the artists and writers were having a ball contributing. My eyes are still returning to normalcy after McMahon's page. And since you're here, David, I'll say that Tharg should have called on you to draw Anderson regularly as soon as Arthur Ranson stepped down. If that means you couldn't have gone out anymore over the last decade, so be it.
That said, I'd have loved this prog even more if it had eight more pages. That's my quibble. It really needed a one-off episode of something more recent than Sin Dex to help the balance. I'm hopeful the 40th anniversary prog really shows off how zarjaz the last several years have been, too!
Quote from: McNulty on 25 September, 2016, 10:37:17 PM
the page before the Judge Anderson story stated that Robohunter was a Judge Dredd spin off. But I never connected Sam Slade's universe with Judge Dredd. Outside of a superficial naming of Brit-Cit, there is no overlap in these worlds.
Those flirty lady cops in boob armour don't look like they spent fifteen years in the (second) hardest school on Earth. Can't remember Armitage mention that his department is staffed entirely by robots or getting hassle from sassy robot toilet roll holders either.
Quote from: Grant Goggans on 25 September, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
I really enjoyed this. Everything in it was just glowing, like all the artists and writers were having a ball contributing. My eyes are still returning to normalcy after McMahon's page. And since you're here, David, I'll say that Tharg should have called on you to draw Anderson regularly as soon as Arthur Ranson stepped down. If that means you couldn't have gone out anymore over the last decade, so be it.
That said, I'd have loved this prog even more if it had eight more pages. That's my quibble. It really needed a one-off episode of something more recent than Sin Dex to help the balance. I'm hopeful the 40th anniversary prog really shows off how zarjaz the last several years have been, too!
That's very kind indeed. I was off drawing other strips at the time- like Batman and Star Wars... but who's heard of those? Drawing this episode was just so much fun and I'd jump at the chance to do more.
Quote from: McNulty on 25 September, 2016, 10:37:17 PM
Well done to 2000AD for reaching prog 2000!
And what a great way to celebrate this milestone, with writers and artists old and new coming together to make this the best prog by far for ages!
My obvious favourite was Dredd/Strontium Dog written and drawn by two masters. Great to see my namesake make an appearance in this story.
It was great to see the anarchy of Kevin O'Neil within the prog, drawing Nemesis. The only problem I had was the final frame, which saw one of the worst villains in 2000AD crucified. I admit that was hard for me to read.
Also, the page before the Judge Anderson story stated that Robohunter was a Judge Dredd spin off. But I never connected Sam Slade's universe with Judge Dredd. Outside of a superficial naming of Brit-Cit, there is no overlap in these worlds. Grant and Roach really nailed the story and the art with this Anderson story.
Outside of these two complaints I want to say again how great this entire prog has come together. The Rogue Trooper and Sin-Dex stories were also enjoyable and having The Mighty One give us a tour was inspired. The Milligan/Dayglo piece at the end was interesting and hopefully should develop well.
All in all a great, great prog. Well done guys!
Thank you sir!
Quote from: Beaker on 25 September, 2016, 10:16:14 PM
Absolutely brilliant from cover to cover. 10/10
........and THAT is how you draw Anderson!
It is? Phew... that's a relief!
Umpty Candy gets a shout -
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/ump_zpsfxbewuzu.jpg)
Agh! Of all the weeks for my Prog not to show up......*sob*
Quote from: Frank on 25 September, 2016, 11:18:29 PM
Quote from: McNulty on 25 September, 2016, 10:37:17 PM
the page before the Judge Anderson story stated that Robohunter was a Judge Dredd spin off. But I never connected Sam Slade's universe with Judge Dredd. Outside of a superficial naming of Brit-Cit, there is no overlap in these worlds.
Those flirty lady cops in boob armour don't look like they spent fifteen years in the (second) hardest school on Earth. Can't remember Armitage mention that his department is staffed entirely by robots or getting hassle from sassy robot toilet roll holders either.
Aaah, I remember when it was all fanwank as far as the eye could see.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=21694.0;nowap (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=21694.0;nowap)
Heh! It's been a while since Robin Low's name came up. We butted heads a few times on alt.2000ad about timelines. I never did get his infatuation with shoving Robo-Hunter into Dredd's timeline. (I do enjoy all that stuff, though, much like that guy who figured out a timeline that encompassed all of the Pixar films.)
Really good prog
Honestly only two complaints and they are minor. The derailing of the original ending to nemesis and the fact i want more david roach guess i'll just have to wait for the mega collection version of engram or dr who
Which Nemesis are we seeing in Prog 2000 though? For some reason, I interpreted this as only Torquemada going back into his original form, being attacked by the 'then' Nemesis, but being defeated again and ending up in an even worse punishment, goaded by the spirits of blitzpsears for an eternity.
Yep for me it makes no sense to consider Robo-Hunter a Dredd world story. So not sure why Tharg mentioned it. No better to class that as an aberration IMO.
As Frank alludes to there are just no references to Dredd's world in Robo-Hunter or vice-versa ( that I can remember anyway e.g. I didn't recall the Umpty Candy).
There is a recent thread in the general section on Dredd Verse strips and no-one mentioned Robo-Hunter ( or Strontium Dog for that matter ) so I guess the Hive Mind doesn't (actively) consider them to be related either.
It is possible to also draw links to Dredd from Invasion and therefore by extension Disaster 1990, Ro-Busters, ABC Warriors and by extension Nemesis, plus Harlem Heroes & Inferno but to do so is, in my view pretty pointless. It is much better to just enjoy them as their own stories. And I am guessing the contradictions will far out weigh the links that do make sense.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 September, 2016, 12:33:50 PM
Which Nemesis are we seeing in Prog 2000 though? For some reason, I interpreted this as only Torquemada going back into his original form, being attacked by the 'then' Nemesis, but being defeated again and ending up in an even worse punishment, goaded by the spirits of blitzpsears for an eternity.
I did wonder that but it doesnt make much sense as 'then' Nemesis without all sorts of paradox.
Umpty Candy was mentioned by Smoking Joe the robot sent to Verdus, he kept offering out imaginary sweets.
It is all pointless, but if people get as much enjoyment from trying to link things together, then it's no different from the enjoyment of reading the stories as standalones.
Besides, creators like to link things - Al Ewing took the Strontium Dog future as a plot point in 'The Americans'
I imagine the main reason people didn't consider Stront as a Dreddworld thing is that a) it started in a totally different comic, and b) John said that it wasn't
QuoteJohn said that it wasn't
...but then he wrote two stories where Dredd met Alpha.
Pat Mills has explicitly linked Dredd and Nemesis a number of times. There are no inconsistencies there that I can see, since Nemesis is thousands of years in the future.
Quote from: James Stacey on 26 September, 2016, 12:57:42 PMI did wonder that but it doesnt make much sense as 'then' Nemesis without all sorts of paradox.
Paradoxes are pretty much a mainstay of Nemesis, no?
Totally are but if its 'then Nemesis' not 'recovered Nemesis', seeing as Torque doesn't have a chance to do anything to effect causality from the point he regains his body, 'then Nemesis' would have done that previously and the whole thing unravels into a mess. I realise this too isn't a problem for Pat, but still :)
Quote from: Richard on 26 September, 2016, 01:31:37 PM
QuoteJohn said that it wasn't
...but then he wrote two stories where Dredd met Alpha.
Pat Mills has explicitly linked Dredd and Nemesis a number of times. There are no inconsistencies there that I can see, since Nemesis is thousands of years in the future.
John said that after Top Dog - I'm only guessing but I would have thought he just treats these as a bit of a fun, and not worry about having to connect the two unless he feels it might make a good story.
The bonus of doing it in prog 2000 is it allows two of the main characters of the past 40 years be drawn by their creator, without having two separate stories.
Quote from: Steve Green on 26 September, 2016, 11:27:11 AM
Aaah, I remember when it was all fanwank as far as the eye could see.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=21694.0;nowap (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=21694.0;nowap)
Until five minutes ago, all I knew of Robin Low was his name check at the front of
Origins. Having read a few of his posts, the aspects of
Origins I hated make
much more sense.
I enjoyed Origins, but a lot of it consisted of trying to make published Dredd stories fit in with a non-canonical timeline a fan sent to Tharg in about 1984 which somehow got published in an annual under the heading "An Unofficial Judge Dredd Timeline." Which was unnecessary. But it was still alright so I let it go.*
(* Apart from the fact that Rico Dredd's badge had his first name instead of his surname, which made no sense. I still can't quite get over that.)
I see that there's a good demand for this issue. Just been informed that fewer copies of the Fabry variant are being shipped so my order has been cancelled - what nice people FP are. I had two on order, one for me and one to send to a friend in the States. They said they had reduced numbers so it was limited to one. Rather than reduce my order to one they just cancelled them both - tossers!!
Anyone know where there will be any - the comic shops where the signings are being held on the 1st by any chance?
I'm sorry I don't - might be worth trying the non-signing shops as well - Raygun comics in Richmond are having an event, but not a signing for example.
Stylist new heated comic rack in the cludgie at Huff Mansions works a treat! Nestor will no longer have to be on hand to hold the comic while I Brexit.
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5046/29785452082_a6c081b245.jpg)
Prog a total cracker each page a wee gem, even Sindex and a high nipple count in Anderson couldn't bring me down! (http://[url=https://flic.kr/p/Mo3ech)
Quote from: Richard on 26 September, 2016, 02:21:46 PM
I enjoyed Origins, but a lot of it consisted of trying to make published Dredd stories fit (into a) timeline
That's my problem with it.
Trying to fit an eight inch shite into a six inch pipe, as my former boss would say.
I like parts of
Origins a lot; it would have made a
fantastic Blood Cadets mini-series in the
Megazine, focusing on Rico and Joe's progress through the Academy, interspersed with flashbacks to Jaxville and the birth of Instant Justice.
I could have lived happily without zombie Fargo giving it some Phase III Maximan, but Randy and the clan were a lot of fun, and there's that genius final scene (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cmoMeISWzmE/TEOUiPtQmUI/AAAAAAAABdo/T0OhawIRRIg/s1600/Fargo+Old.jpg).
Quote from: Richard on 26 September, 2016, 02:21:46 PM
I enjoyed Origins, but a lot of it consisted of trying to make published Dredd stories fit in with a non-canonical timeline a fan sent to Tharg in about 1984 which somehow got published in an annual under the heading "An Unofficial Judge Dredd Timeline." Which was unnecessary. But it was still alright so I let it go.*
(* Apart from the fact that Rico Dredd's badge had his first name instead of his surname, which made no sense. I still can't quite get over that.)
See I always thought that made perfect sense - an expression of Rico's individualism and refusal to conform.
All this talk about shared continuity ... was nobody listening to the Mighty One? Doors in the nerve centre? Pocket universes? It just takes a cleaning droid to leave something open and you can easily get judges in Termight via the photocopier, or Stronts in Mega City One via the Ladies loos.
Absolutely first class prog, especially all the linky bits; top class.
Quote from: Leigh S on 24 September, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Anyone else's poster back to front? :) I was going to buy the other covers anyway, Tharg!
I wondered if this was so that you could attend signings and have lost of lovely white space for signatures & sketches?
Quote from: Magnetica on 24 September, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
Quick question- is the centre pull out poster by Cliff Robinson in all variants, or does the Chris Burnham and Glenn Fabry covers feature posters by them instead?
I got the Burnham cover and the Fabry poster
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 September, 2016, 09:49:09 PM
I got the Burnham cover and the Fabry poster
I'm talking shite - the psoter was by Robinson - I just saw montage rather than space-spinner and assumed it was the other variant
Since artdroid Roach is in the thread I must just quickly pass yet another comment on the sheer awesomeness of his Anderson strip. That bowled me over. It's kind of old school and modern at the same time but it totally captures the character. Definitely need more of this....
Quote from: scrotnig on 26 September, 2016, 11:14:26 PM
Since artdroid Roach is in the thread I must just quickly pass yet another comment on the sheer awesomeness of his Anderson strip. That bowled me over. It's kind of old school and modern at the same time but it totally captures the character. Definitely need more of this....
Thank you- well I guess I am officially old school- but hopefully a bit better at drawing after all this time. I definitely appreciate phrases like " Total awesomeness", for future reference.....
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 September, 2016, 12:23:22 PM
Really good prog
Honestly only two complaints and they are minor. The derailing of the original ending to nemesis and the fact i want more david roach guess i'll just have to wait for the mega collection version of engram or dr who
I'm sure if you ask Tharg very nicely he'll invite me back!
Which cover to go for problem solved. I won't be able to get to the local thrill merchant this week so it'll be the signing day version for me. But that's in five sleeps time dammit!
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 25 September, 2016, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: Beaker on 25 September, 2016, 10:16:14 PM
Absolutely brilliant from cover to cover. 10/10
........and THAT is how you draw Anderson!
It is? Phew... that's a relief!
Ohh, yes...ohh yes indeedy it is...yes indeedy....
Nice one. :0)
Quote from: Beaker on 26 September, 2016, 11:53:31 PM
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 25 September, 2016, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: Beaker on 25 September, 2016, 10:16:14 PM
Absolutely brilliant from cover to cover. 10/10
........and THAT is how you draw Anderson!
It is? Phew... that's a relief!
Ohh, yes...ohh yes indeedy it is...yes indeedy....
Nice one. :0)
!!!!
My subscription prog arrived on Saturday with the Burnham cover but knowing I couldn't be sure which cover I would get I'd already pre-ordered both variants from the 2000AD shop to guarantee I'd get the Robinson one. Got home yesterday evening to find an unexpected envelope waiting for me containing said variants from Tharg's new distributors. So, what to do with the extra Burnham? Well, I like to leave any spare copies of Tharg's illustrious organ I get in a place where their thrill-power might deliver the most benefit, namely the works' canteen:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/921/hJNYIp.jpg)
(Admittedly I made sure to remove the Cliff Robinson poster first to have a copy of that to display at home. :P)
Not much to add, except to say what a totally stonking Prog that was!
Brilliant stories, amazing art and I'm already hungry for more!
Bring on Prog 2001! :)
Top prog. Congratulations to all involved! I delegated the production of several newspapers in western Canada to leave work early so I could get into it.
Some of my highlights:
That Dredd/Alpha reluctant bromance,
Middenface in every panel he graces,
Spooky Rogue Trooper written so well,
Returning artists whose work I love, especially O'Neill, who is clearly unhinged,
Continuity-twisting in an entertaining way (calm down, people, because it doesn't matter),
The supercool Edsel,
The return of Spikes Harvey Rotten,
And blasphemy. Sheer, blatant, glorious blasphemy.
Plus lots of other stuff I'll remember in a minute and wish I'd mentioned.
Such a special comic.
Thank you.
ALL HAIL DEPUTY CHIEF JUDGE FISH!
- Trout
The was the best 2000ad annual ever - can I have it with cardboard cover and a crossword?
More Roach on Anderson please...
The digital Prog landed this morning and includes both regular covers. I'm curious though; the Robinson cover is a wraparound, but what's on the back page of the physical progs with the Burnham cover?
Nipped into Eason's this morning to pick it up, and they only had last weeks prog on display!
Hopefully they've got it by lunchtime, otherwise i'm just going to have to go to Forbidden Planet.
Grrrrrr!!!
QuoteWhat's on the back page of the physical progs with the Burnham cover?
An ad for #45 of the Hachette collection.
Quote from: Rately on 28 September, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
Nipped into Eason's this morning to pick it up, and they only had last weeks prog on display!
Hopefully they've got it by lunchtime, otherwise i'm just going to have to go to Forbidden Planet.
Grrrrrr!!!
No doubt they'll have updated their stock by this evening.
Interestingly, I did ask Big Bang Comics to keep me a copy of both covers, and they informed me that the 'news stand' edition already sold out on pre-order.
I'll be shopping in Easons myself later for one.
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 25 September, 2016, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 25 September, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
Cheers for the response David!
Hopefully it won't be too long 'till Tharg come a calling! :)
Yes- I really loved doing the strip and I'm more than happy to do more believe me.
I can clearly remember coming back to Brit-cit from the land of spandex a few years back and being left open mouthed by your art David. A genuine moment of comic book awe.
I totally agree with the other learned members. Nobody needs to leave the house these days.
'Th--rill receptors...frazzled'
'Brain ent---ering...shut down'
'Can---'t cope'
So yeah, that was all a bit drokking superb, wasn't it?!
Delighted that I picked up the Fabry cover....just delighted. Z
Just managed to pick up the last one in Forbidden Planet. Got the Cliff Robinson cover, and it's lovely.
Can't wait to get home and have a read of it!
Having a quick bite and reading it. Five super thrills :D and Sinister Dexter :-\. I'm in hog heaven. Z
Each Prog has a different coloured Nerve Centre.
Loved it. Well done to all droids involved in its production. Maximum thrill-power.
And........Alec Trench appeared! (He's actually in it twice but he's hidden by a speech bubble on Boo Cook''s page).
Best prob for years! Loved all of that, and yeah, alongside
Brett Ewins, David Roach's Anderson gave pre-teen me some very interesting dreams (oh, yes), so seeing fresh art from him was wonderful - give that man a series, Tharg!
Elsewhere, Dredd was pure fun loveliness and the new stuff intriguing, although it baffles me how SinDex has continues so long.
Hollander! Gibbons! O'Neill! Ezquerra! Wow!!!!
Only one question: who's the girl that Mean Machine's got his arm around on the Fabry cover?
Judge Inaba?
(http://www.2000ad.org/images/wallpaper/inaba_1024.jpg)
Quote from: DrRocka on 28 September, 2016, 02:10:10 PM
Only one question: who's the girl that Mean Machine's got his arm around on the Fabry cover?
I think it's Judge Inspector Inaba form Hindo City.
Cheers, gents, think her stories must have passed me by
It's so awesome so reading it outside 10 Downing Street!
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2gsrfxt.jpg)
I went for the Fabry/Brown cover when push came to shove. I regret nothing, it's a riot and Cliff's poster brings balance to the Force.
I don't buy variant covers....went for GF's (he's a Belfast man now); but have to say the Cliff Robinson cover is a sheer delight. Z
Should have posted it through Goaty, zapped some Thrillsuckers.
Quote from: Goaty on 28 September, 2016, 03:32:53 PM
It's so awesome so reading it outside 10 Downing Street!
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2gsrfxt.jpg)
I'm surprised you weren't arrested for being in possession of subversive material Goaty!!!! :lol:
Superb prog , Bolland really needs to do a whole Dredd strip , all the Tharg interludes had great art, the Dredd /Alpha crossover was good fun with great art as always from King Carlos. Nemesis just made me want it to return for another series , always liked Torque better than the Warlock. Rouge trooper was a nice lead into the traitor general series and Rennie's stuff is always entertaining. David Roach's art on Anderson was pure eyegasm. Sinister Dexter had an interesting start as did Counterfit girl. We really are lucky 2000ad is still going strong , gonna try make it London in Feb for their event.
Top prog. Congrats to all involved.
Quote from: Steve Green on 28 September, 2016, 02:33:39 PM
http://www.2000ad.org/images/wallpaper/inaba_1024.jpg (http://www.2000ad.org/images/wallpaper/inaba_1024.jpg)
Inaba's first name is
Kamelto. Maybe that's where she keeps her packed lunch.
Anyone able to decipher the dedication on Matt Smith's tombstone
(Sin Dex) - or spot all the reference used for Anderson? I'm sure she turns into Emma Watson at the foot of the fourth page.
Disappointed to see Bovus and Pikey go out with a whimper that made Judge Giant look like a bang, but excited by the news that Judge Fish's clone survived to join that 'rogues' gallery' Tharg mentioned.
Quote from: Frank on 28 September, 2016, 06:29:05 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 28 September, 2016, 02:33:39 PM
http://www.2000ad.org/images/wallpaper/inaba_1024.jpg (http://www.2000ad.org/images/wallpaper/inaba_1024.jpg)
Inaba's first name is Kamelto. Maybe that's where she keeps her packed lunch.
Anyone able to decipher the dedication on Matt Smith's tombstone (Sin Dex) - or spot all the reference used for Anderson? I'm sure she turns into Emma Watson at the foot of the fourth page.
Disappointed to see Bovus and Pikey go out with a whimper that made Judge Giant look like a bang, but excited by the news that Judge Fish's clone survived to join that 'rogues' gallery' Tharg mentioned.
Cheeky monkey! Most of the Anderson's were based on a model friend of mine or from my imagination- definitely not Emma Watson!
Quote from: DrRocka on 28 September, 2016, 02:10:10 PM
Best prob for years! Loved all of that, and yeah, alongside
Brett Ewins, David Roach's Anderson gave pre-teen me some very interesting dreams (oh, yes), so seeing fresh art from him was wonderful - give that man a series, Tharg!
Elsewhere, Dredd was pure fun loveliness and the new stuff intriguing, although it baffles me how SinDex has continues so long.
Hollander! Gibbons! O'Neill! Ezquerra! Wow!!!!
Only one question: who's the girl that Mean Machine's got his arm around on the Fabry cover?
Slightly troubling in places... but thank you for the very kind words!
Quote from: Judge Nutmeg on 28 September, 2016, 05:39:09 PM
Superb prog , Bolland really needs to do a whole Dredd strip , all the Tharg interludes had great art, the Dredd /Alpha crossover was good fun with great art as always from King Carlos. Nemesis just made me want it to return for another series , always liked Torque better than the Warlock. Rouge trooper was a nice lead into the traitor general series and Rennie's stuff is always entertaining. David Roach's art on Anderson was pure eyegasm. Sinister Dexter had an interesting start as did Counterfit girl. We really are lucky 2000ad is still going strong , gonna try make it London in Feb for their event.
Too kind!
Fantastic prog. A fitting tribute to 2000 issues of greatness.
Hoping there's still some copies to be had in Newcastle tomorrow. I'm planning on Prog 2000 being my return to the Prog, having not bought it regularly since something like Prog 1832.
Well that was rather splendid, wasn't it? Top work those droids! What a treat!!!!
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 18 September, 2016, 07:20:38 AM
Its really only an issue if you want it to be. Whatever we as individuals think the numbering should or shouldn't be its for the folk that produce the Galaxies Greatest to decide what they use, what will be marked on the cover as the Prog number and therefore what they choose to celebrate.
Except that's not strictly true - there are now two comics in existence which, at the time of publishing were called 2000AD Prog 2000, which causes problems for inventories, indexes, catalogues, auctions and the rest.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 19 September, 2016, 06:40:47 PM
Quote from: Frank on 19 September, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
Sanity is restored to the universe. Joseph was Stallone's name, not Dredd's.
Joe is short for Joseph. It's the same name.
I've never encountered another group of adults encompassing so many for whom this is an alien concept.
It's not the same name - one's spelled J-O-E, the other's spelled J-O-S-E-P-H. Just because a diminutive name
can be short for a longer name, doesn't mean it always is. Just ask anybody whose name on their birth certificate is (for example) Katie. Not Katherine, Catherine or any of form, but K-A-T-I-E, however much anybody tries to 'correct' her.
Couldn't find a fabry issue 2000 in London - maybe it's a very rare thing!
Quote from: Leigh S on 24 September, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Anyone elses poster back to front? :) I was going to buy the other covers anyway, Tharg!
Mine was back to front.
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 24 September, 2016, 02:53:52 PM
Thank you so much, that's very kind of you.
You've been gone from the pages of the prog for too long (though good to see the life drawings you post on facebook).
Quote from: robert_ellis on 28 September, 2016, 10:00:24 PM
Couldn't find a fabry issue 2000 in London - maybe it's a very rare thing!
I got a Fabry cover today - the last one in the comic shop I bought it from (this week they ordered about four times the normal amount they sell - which they don't normally sell out - today they did).
Quote from: robert_ellis on 28 September, 2016, 10:00:24 PM
Couldn't find a fabry issue 2000 in London - maybe it's a very rare thing!
It's going for big bucks on Ebay at the moment, must of had a relatively low print run!
Quote from: Tjm86 on 24 September, 2016, 06:06:01 PM
I did feel like the Tharg interludes pulled punches a little mind. Or perhaps it is a case of so much has changed since Tharg's Head Revisited. It would be interesting to see a follow up to that strip, dealing with the changes that have been affected since then.
It was less like Tharg's Head than I was expecting - wasn't there something similar in the intervening period? Different artists drawing different pages of a Tharg story, either in a special or an over-sized prog? Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. Maybe someone else has brought it up in the intervening pages of this thread (which I've been avoiding since subscribers started receiving their thread, until I had my own copy (copies) in my grubby little hands)...
Quote from: Richard on 24 September, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
Don't try to over-think Dredd. We don't really need to know why all these Cal clones are around so many years later, just go with it. (Incidentally, this story is the first time Dredd has actually killed Cal himself -- previously that was Fergee and Darien McKenzie.)
Hmm, Fergee killed actual Cal, Darien killed alternate-universe Cal, Dredd just offed a bunch of Cal clones (Calones?)
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As for the date 2220, while that's a bit further in the future than I'd expected to see, it's not so implausible. If Alpha was aged around, say, 20 when we first met him in 2180, then he'd only be about 60 in this story, or even younger given that he was dead for ten years.
It seemed fairly clear to me, on first reading, that "Time job. Offer's been circulating on the flux." meant it wasn't necessarily being offered in Alpha's time, but in his (as well as Dredd's) future.
Quote from: glassstanley on 24 September, 2016, 07:17:36 PM
Loved the end of Sinister Dexter.
So, does that mean that people in the universe that S and D now find themselves can remember things which happened to their alternate selves?
Quote from: inkymonkey on 25 September, 2016, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: Darren Stephens on 24 September, 2016, 10:59:45 AM
So, mine just arrived. Not read it yet, as this is to be savoured, but the artwork thoughout is stunning. ( I must say, though, even with all these legends present....Mark Sexton. You sir, are amazing!) :D
Cheers Darren! It was an absolute blast doing the story, and quite frankly I still can't believe I was asked to do something for Prog 2000. All hail the Mighty One!
Good work, inkymonkey / Mark - have a great time signing on Saturday!
Quote from: Leigh S on 24 September, 2016, 04:14:14 PM
I agree with Frank about how Dredd and Stront fit together - Dredds world is Strotns past, but Dredd doesnt necessarily have to follow that future, as we have seen in various other time travel Dredd shananigans. As for Dredds world becoming Alphas? Well there is the Great War of 2150 to knock out most Mega Cities - look how Day of Chaos has already started to eat away at the majesty of the Judge's Empire.
We don't see too much of Earth in Alpha's time - we know that Brit-Cit is no more, and that Britain is more like an irradiated version of the island in our own time. We know that Antarctica is a jungle city. I can't remember much else as most of it was set off-planet. MC1 could still be there, in some form.
Quote
Nemesis was interesting, seeing as it is set
I liked it enough, though think I preferred the previous ending more enough good moments in this six-pages for me to ignore that though.
The other Tharg strip is 'A night 2 remember' from the 25th anniversary.
http://thrillpoweredthursday.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/108-night-2-remember.html (http://thrillpoweredthursday.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/108-night-2-remember.html)
Quote from: sheridan on 28 September, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 24 September, 2016, 02:53:52 PM
Thank you so much, that's very kind of you.
You've been gone from the pages of the prog for too long (though good to see the life drawings you post on facebook).
My Strip sort of incorporates some of my life-drawing style in a few panels, and thanks for the kind words- it was so much fun to play around with these characters again. I'll definitely do more if I get asked again.
Quote from: Steve Green on 26 September, 2016, 01:17:18 PM
Umpty Candy was mentioned by Smoking Joe the robot sent to Verdus, he kept offering out imaginary sweets.
To me, that belongs in the same camp as Dan Dare using the word Drokk (and, indeed, Sam Slade using the same word). See also Smiling Chuckwallas in both Blackhawk and Strontium Dog.
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It is all pointless, but if people get as much enjoyment from trying to link things together, then it's no different from the enjoyment of reading the stories as standalones.
Agree wholeheartedly (even when they're wrong :-) ).
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Besides, creators like to link things - Al Ewing took the Strontium Dog future as a plot point in 'The Americans'
I'd forgotten all about that story until it cropped up in a tetris/jigsaw/reorganise the progs on the shelves task recently.
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 26 September, 2016, 11:32:03 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 September, 2016, 12:23:22 PM
Really good prog
Honestly only two complaints and they are minor. The derailing of the original ending to nemesis and the fact i want more david roach guess i'll just have to wait for the mega collection version of engram or dr who
I'm sure if you ask Tharg very nicely he'll invite me back!
I'm going to stray from the common consensus and request that he program the Mills droid to write Purity's Story II...
Quote from: sheridan on 28 September, 2016, 11:44:00 PM
Quote from: artdroid Roach on 26 September, 2016, 11:32:03 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 September, 2016, 12:23:22 PM
Really good prog
Honestly only two complaints and they are minor. The derailing of the original ending to nemesis and the fact i want more david roach guess i'll just have to wait for the mega collection version of engram or dr who
I'm sure if you ask Tharg very nicely he'll invite me back!
A radical suggestion- but why not?
I'm going to stray from the common consensus and request that he program the Mills droid to write Purity's Story II...
Quote from: Frank on 28 September, 2016, 06:29:05 PM
Anyone able to decipher the dedication on Matt Smith's tombstone (Sin Dex) - or spot all the reference used for Anderson? I'm sure she turns into Emma Watson at the foot of the fourth page.
It's a little hard to read, but it says "MATT SMITH - Tolerant to the End". 'Cos (so far) he's been pretty good at dealing with my emails telling him I'm running late. Though his blood pressure must go up with every message, I seriously don't know how he keeps it all running on time.
Quote from: sheridan on 28 September, 2016, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 18 September, 2016, 07:20:38 AM
Its really only an issue if you want it to be. Whatever we as individuals think the numbering should or shouldn't be its for the folk that produce the Galaxies Greatest to decide what they use, what will be marked on the cover as the Prog number and therefore what they choose to celebrate.
Except that's not strictly true - there are now two comics in existence which, at the time of publishing were called 2000AD Prog 2000, which causes problems for inventories, indexes, catalogues, auctions and the rest.
It's really not. 2000 AD Prog 2000 is different then 2000 AD #2000. We call them 'Progs', they are just magazine issue numbers in reality.
Edit: Also, one is clearly a YEAR and the other an issue number.
Any way, I really liked Prog 2000, I thought the Dredd was fun, if a bit contrived. Nemesis a cool throw back. Rogue Trooper a bit... weak. RT really shouldn't be looking backwards IMO. Anderson also felt more like an excuse to squeeze Judge Death in. Counterfeit Girl was a cool start. But my favorite was the Sinister Dexter story, which was seriously brilliant in how it pushes things forward potentially.
Quote from: inkymonkey on 29 September, 2016, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: Frank on 28 September, 2016, 06:29:05 PM
Anyone able to decipher the dedication on Matt Smith's tombstone (Sin Dex)
It's a little hard to read, but it says "MATT SMITH - Tolerant to the End". 'Cos (so far) he's been pretty good at dealing with my emails telling him I'm running late. Though his blood pressure must go up with every message, I seriously don't know how he keeps it all running on time.
... and I can't understand how you make a living with such a labour intensive style. Your sacrifice is much appreciated* - hopefully Tharg will keep you in value brand beans and charity shop clothing for many years to come.
Thanks very much for the clarification, Mark!
* Kev O'Neill wasn't kidding when he depicted himself as a monk, painstakingly illuminating Brother Mills's manuscript
Quote from: Frank on 29 September, 2016, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: inkymonkey on 29 September, 2016, 01:30:44 AM
Quote from: Frank on 28 September, 2016, 06:29:05 PM
Anyone able to decipher the dedication on Matt Smith's tombstone (Sin Dex)
It's a little hard to read, but it says "MATT SMITH - Tolerant to the End". 'Cos (so far) he's been pretty good at dealing with my emails telling him I'm running late. Though his blood pressure must go up with every message, I seriously don't know how he keeps it all running on time.
... and I can't understand how you make a living with such a labour intensive style. Your sacrifice is much appreciated* - hopefully Tharg will keep you in value brand beans and charity shop clothing for many years to come.
Thanks very much for the clarification, Mark!
* Kev O'Neill wasn't kidding when he depicted himself as a monk, painstakingly illuminating Brother Mills's manuscript
Eh? What is this thing they call a living? ;)
And on a similar note Mark, what is the lower line on the Valet of the Dolls sign? Absolutely love your work, BTW.
Quote from: TordelBack on 29 September, 2016, 08:25:52 AM
And on a similar note Mark, what is the lower line on the Valet of the Dolls sign? Absolutely love your work, BTW.
"All jobs by hand"...
😜
Quote from: sheridan on 28 September, 2016, 09:58:03 PM
It's not the same name - one's spelled J-O-E, the other's spelled J-O-S-E-P-H. Just because a diminutive name can be short for a longer name, doesn't mean it always is.
Doesn't mean it isn't either, so I don't understand why some folks on this forum insist, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever, that it's a different name when there's a perfectly logical explanation that encompasses both.
Back in '77, or whenever Dredd's first name was revealed, it certainly wasn't as common as it is now for people's given names to be what were previously informal contractions: someone called Katy in '77 was almost certainly
really called Katherine, someone called Jim was almost certainly
really called James, and someone called Joe was almost certainly
really called Joseph.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 29 September, 2016, 09:11:08 AM
I don't understand why some folks on this forum insist ... that it's a different name
Who says that?
Quote from: inkymonkey on 29 September, 2016, 08:33:07 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 29 September, 2016, 08:25:52 AM
And on a similar note Mark, what is the lower line on the Valet of the Dolls sign? Absolutely love your work, BTW.
"All jobs by hand"...
😜
Arf! Cheers for that!
Brilliiant prog and a phenomenal achievement to get all these greats together.
Hats off to all involved.
One of my (many) favourite bits in Prog 2000v.2 was Boo's page: seems so rare to see a group shot with the 'new' characters, great to be reminded of how much good stuff the Rebellion era has given us.
A rare occurrence - I liked every story in the prog. Well done, all.
Really didn't see the Dredd crossover coming; and I found Nemesis's antics with the Torquemada holy relics as nasty and disturbing as a Nemesis story by Mills and O'Neill should be.
Tharg was clearly so pleased to have me back on board with this prog, that when going through the self-service at WHSmiths I was charged £2.55 instead of £3.99.
Really looking forward to reading the Prog (Burnham cover) later tonight. :)
I ended up with the goofy looking party one the lack of new characters in it is odd...very odd
Quote from: The Monarch on 30 September, 2016, 02:22:52 AM
I ended up with the goofy looking party one the lack of new characters in it is odd...very odd
I see Shakara!, Cadet Anderson and Errol Raine from the Rebellion era, no-one else. I assume we agree that Dante no longer counts as a 'new' character? Bloody lovely image though, I find the wrongness of it all hilarious.
Quote from: TordelBack on 30 September, 2016, 09:16:56 AM
I see Shakara!, Cadet Anderson and Errol Raine from the Rebellion era, no-one else. I assume we agree that Dante no longer counts as a 'new' character? Bloody lovely image though, I find the wrongness of it all hilarious.
I got the Robinson cover in the post, but I had to go out and track down the Fabry one as well. I especially liked the Judge Death/Halo Jones/Robohunter selfie photo bit. I wonder what kind of phone contract Death has? He's gonna need unlimited texts for all the 'ssss's' for a start.
I love the two party images (Fabry cover and Robinson poster) but I think the fact that Dredd is still cranky looking in the Robinson one just edges it for me.
The prog itself was terrific, really made it an occasion.
2000 AD reports Prog 200 sold out. (http://www.2000adonline.com/post/856) For pretty much anything on the newsstand these days, that's a big achievement.
That is splendid news indeed!
Congratulations to the mighty one! :)
Variant barcode or cover for the completests?
Sorry, just read there will be a B+W Fabry cover!
Cool! :)
My copy still hasn't turned up! Who do we contact about missing sub copies these days...?
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 30 September, 2016, 12:02:21 PM
My copy still hasn't turned up! Who do we contact about missing sub copies these days...?
The email addresses remain the same - shop@2000adonline.com and subshelp@2000adonline.com
The phone number for subscription enquiries and lost issues has changed to 01865 797 022, the details have changed on the online shop and I'm sure the new PICKLZ droid will be delighted to help you.
Nicely warm and fuzzy anniversary Prog. Most of the stories are fluff but stellar art throughout lifts the whole package. The highlight for me would be O'Neill's Nemesis, which is absolutely sublime. Any of the artists providing the linking pages would be welcome back in my Prog but it's McNeil, McMahon and Cook who impress the most.
Of the stuff which isn't just there for the big round number, I'm not too enthused by Rogue/Traitor General. I think Rennie's spin-offs are far better than their inspiration and would rather see more Jaegir or 86ers than Rogue himself. However, the focus on TG (did he ever have a name?) might be enough to freshen it up.
I liked Tharg's comment about the importance of ending on something new and I'm cautiously optimistic about Counterfeit Girl. Hopefully the infodump is over in the first episode and we can get into some more actual story. Contrary to the "Ewins" comment somewhere back in the thickets of this thread, I'd actually say this is the first time I've looked at Dayglo's art and not thought he was simply mimicking someone else's style.
I loved the Albion bad guys, a really memorable design.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 30 September, 2016, 12:02:21 PM
My copy still hasn't turned up! Who do we contact about missing sub copies these days...?
Rebellion (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43749.0;topicseen)!
Quote from: Molch-R on 30 September, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 30 September, 2016, 12:02:21 PM
My copy still hasn't turned up! Who do we contact about missing sub copies these days...?
The email addresses remain the same - shop@2000adonline.com and subshelp@2000adonline.com
The phone number for subscription enquiries and lost issues has changed to 01865 797 022, the details have changed on the online shop and I'm sure the new PICKLZ droid will be delighted to help you.
...and a welcome to PICKLZ!
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2016, 11:16:06 AM
2000 AD reports Prog 200 sold out. (http://www.2000adonline.com/post/856) For pretty much anything on the newsstand these days, that's a big achievement.
Impressive. And it's only taken 35 years! ;)
Dammit. Stupid dying keyboard. And lack of proofreading skills.
I have only just managed to purchase the 3 covers and now there is a fourth one ???? must keep my collection intact !!!!
Cheers, MOLCH-R!
Has anyone ordered the Fabry Cover from Forbidden Planet? I ordered mine a month ago & am still waiting.
Dare I order the secong B&W pressing from them I wonder?
...also has anyone recieved prog 2001 - I know postie comes round here on the graveyard shift, but it seems to be very quiet on here too... :think:
Si
Nah didn't get 2001 in Sheffield which is such a shame as I was really looking forward to seeing how they followed up the big celebration issue. Its an attractive line-up but guess I'll need to wait until Monday to find out how it goes down.
Picked it up at inf. beyond in Shrewsbury today just before the signing.
Great stories with a funny bubbleverse story inbetween.
Marveled at how good nemesis was. Brilliant all the way.
Dredd/Alpha team up was a good one. Fun one off. How their meet ups should be done. Same with Anderson and JD. Counterfit girl seems really promising, teally enjoyed the art.
Getting to meet and getting stuff signed by Edginton, Wagner and Winslade was a blast. Got all three to sign my prog, as well as Ian his stickleback sketch in the back of Vol 1, Wagner America and Rok of the red 1. Had a great time :)
Just got back from Shrewsbury myself, Apestrife (I was the guy in the cowboy hat) - what a brilliant afternoon! Lovely fellas, all three of 'em
No not got my Prog 2001 yet either. Guess with all the shenanigans around Prog 2000 they are a little behind (?).
No prog 2001 here, or for anyone I'd say given there's no thread for it yet. :'(
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 01 October, 2016, 06:57:00 PM
No prog 2001 here, or for anyone I'd say given there's no thread for it yet. :'(
No sooner said than done (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43756.0;topicseen) :-)
No prog 2001 here in Ayrshire , after spending the day in Edinburgh getting loads of books signed I was hoping to relax and read the latest prog. The Royal Mail in Scotland is terrible these days. Picture below is of Emma Beeby , Gordon Rennie , Tom Foster and Colin MacNeil. Sadly, Alan Grant could not make it today .
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 01 October, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
No prog 2001 here in Ayrshire , after spending the day in Edinburgh getting loads of books signed I was hoping to relax and read the latest prog. The Royal Mail in Scotland is terrible these days. Picture below is of Emma Beeby , Gordon Rennie , Tom Foster and Colin MacNeil. Sadly, Alan Grant could not make it today .
I'm Ayrshire too, still no Prog 2000 for me! I just bought it from Smiths. Need to get round to contacting someone, did I read somewhere that it's not Denise any more?
As I said a few pages back it's been nearly a couple of months since I remember getting the "regular" Saturday prog, mine have been Monday or mostly Tuesday before they turn up, how have yours been?
I have to say, a big draw of subscribing all these years is to get the Prog early - I'm afraid one day early just isn't going to cut it, but I have *just* resubscribed so I suppose I'll have to lump it ::)
No Prog 2001 here in Cambridgeshire and after visiting 12 newsagents and 4 comic shops I have been unable to secure either of the two variant covers I would like.
Looks like I will be buying them off eBay with hugely inflated prices :(
Pretty sure I could get you a Burnham tomorrow, Matt, if that's one of the ones you're after.
Do we have a winner in the gouging stakes here? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331987436309?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 October, 2016, 09:22:56 AM
Pretty sure I could get you a Burnham tomorrow, Matt, if that's one of the ones you're after.
Thanks for the offer but that's the one I have .
Thank you though. Have now visited 3 supermarkets too with no luck.
.
Witnessing the anguishes and indignities experienced above, I'm thankful I was born without the collector gene.
Variant covers and limited editions are a fun game for them who likes to play, not a burden imposed upon The Contented.
I don't generally go for all the variants, but am making an exception for Prog 2000.
Quote from: sheridan on 02 October, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
I don't generally go for all the variants, but am making an exception for Prog 2000.
Yes me too. For instance on the IDW stuff they do variants as a matter of course and given the quality of the comic it's just not worth it.* I didn't buy the previous 2000AD variants before either, but for some reason Prog 2000 just feels more special. Especially the Fabry ones as he is my (second - sorry no-one but no-one beats Bolland) favourite artist of all time.
I know it is almost crazy to spent that much on one Prog - but there you go.
* the only ones even worth considering where the Fabry B&W ones on PvJDvA.
Quote from: Magnetica on 02 October, 2016, 12:26:05 PM
I didn't buy the previous 2000AD variants before either, but for some reason Prog 2000 just feels more special. Especially the Fabry ones as he is my (second - sorry no-one but no-one beats Bolland) favourite artist of all time.
I know it is almost crazy to spent that much on one Prog - but there you go.
Having spent nearly £12 on one prog (and another £4 due when the greyscale one comes out, I agree - though I feel a bit more sane as the selling out thing has made news in a few different places.
I also avoid the variant scene, but I was verrrry tempted to go for all three (initial) Prog 2000s when I saw them. Only the combined price put me off. Now I wish I had, mainly so I could disperse them to those who do care about such things.
Like Frank, I have little interest in variant collecting, butbfairnplaybto those who do. Z
I seem to remember back in the day when there were variant covers, us loyal subbees were given both covers stapled onto the one issue...
Or it would have been nice to have a subs only variant - Future Publishing and whoever owns Empire these days do it every month for sub copies of their mags (well, the computer/console mags I get anyway) - even for subs to get the comic shop variety.
But then, do us loyal subbers even matter anymore when I gotta wait til Tuesday most weeks to have my prog delivered?
Rant over, for now...
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
I seem to remember back in the day when there were variant covers, us loyal subbees were given both covers stapled onto the one issue...
Or it would have been nice to have a subs only variant - Future Publishing and whoever owns Empire these days do it every month for sub copies of their mags (well, the computer/console mags I get anyway) - even for subs to get the comic shop variety.
But then, do us loyal subbers even matter anymore when I gotta wait til Tuesday most weeks to have my prog delivered?
Rant over, for now...
Tharg may have got a letter, from an unknown subscriber, suggesting just the very thing...
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
do us loyal subbers even matter anymore when I gotta wait til Tuesday most weeks to have my prog delivered?
Since print subscribers post here most Saturdays, you must have figured out that's due to your sorting office*, rather than Tharg.
I'm pretty sure all sub copies are mailed at the same time. It's not like Tharg's sitting there on Thursday afternoon, licking envelopes, then thinks
'fuck it, I fancy a pint - I'll just leave user2000's till Monday'.
* I know my side of the street only gets deliveries every other day, for example - and large letters/parcels are delivered separately from bills and junk mail
Quote from: Frank on 02 October, 2016, 05:06:59 PM
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
do us loyal subbers even matter anymore when I gotta wait til Tuesday most weeks to have my prog delivered?
Since print subscribers post here most Saturdays, you must have figured out that's due to your sorting office*, rather than Tharg.
I'm pretty sure all sub copies are mailed at the same time. It's not like Tharg's sitting there on Thursday afternoon, licking envelopes, then thinks 'fuck it, I fancy a pint - I'll just leave user2000's till Monday'.
* I know my side of the street only gets deliveries every other day, for example - and large letters/parcels are delivered separately from bills and junk mail
I would say that surely that's for Tharg to sort out then, as the sender.
My other post arrives in a timely fashion so I'm not sure why Tooth has been later for the last couple of months.
As for your own other day deliveries, have you not been onto them - they should be delivering 6 days a week as they are mandated to do.
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 05:36:29 PM
have you not been onto them
My sub's digital, buddy. Nothing I get in the post is as keenly anticipated as I'm sure your sub is*.
If it's any consolation, digital subscribers got both the Burnham and Robinson covers. I was going to stick my unwanted pixels up on Ebay, but I'll let you have the electronic cover of your choice for 130 quid.
* I don't even get paper bills anymore - the only things the postie shoves through my letterbox are adverts for Farmfoods and takeaway menus. I should stick the recycling box under the mail flap and cut out the middle man.
Quote from: Frank on 02 October, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 05:36:29 PM
have you not been onto them
My sub's digital, buddy. Nothing I get in the post is as keenly anticipated as I'm sure your sub is*.
If it's any consolation, digital subscribers got both the Burnham and Robinson covers. I was going to stick my unwanted pixels up on Ebay, but I'll let you have the electronic cover of your choice for 130 quid.
* I don't even get paper bills anymore - the only things the postie shoves through my letterbox are adverts for Farmfoods and takeaway menus. I should stick the recycling box under the mail flap and cut out the middle man.
LOL, I've already seen the other covers, so I have digitally committed them to my brain box for free :P
Quote from: user2000 on 01 October, 2016, 11:10:35 PM
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 01 October, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
No prog 2001 here in Ayrshire , after spending the day in Edinburgh getting loads of books signed I was hoping to relax and read the latest prog. The Royal Mail in Scotland is terrible these days. Picture below is of Emma Beeby , Gordon Rennie , Tom Foster and Colin MacNeil. Sadly, Alan Grant could not make it today .
I'm Ayrshire too, still no Prog 2000 for me! I just bought it from Smiths. Need to get round to contacting someone, did I read somewhere that it's not Denise any more?
As I said a few pages back it's been nearly a couple of months since I remember getting the "regular" Saturday prog, mine have been Monday or mostly Tuesday before they turn up, how have yours been?
I have to say, a big draw of subscribing all these years is to get the Prog early - I'm afraid one day early just isn't going to cut it, but I have *just* resubscribed so I suppose I'll have to lump it ::)
My prog 2000 arrived on a Saturday for a change. Must be something to do with the Glasgow sorting office when they finish early on a Friday afternoon...lazy B******s
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
Or it would have been nice to have a subs only variant - Future Publishing and whoever owns Empire these days do it every month for sub copies of their mags (well, the computer/console mags I get anyway) - even for subs to get the comic shop variety.
I wouldn't want every issue to have a different cover for subscribers to that in the shops. For me the cover is an intrinsic part of the identity of any given Prog and that would be lost if we started having different variants for every single issue. The odd one every ten years or so is fine but not as a regular thing. When I think back to the Progs and stories I love, the cover is a fundamental part of it. Covers like 61 (Cursed Earth), 222 (Nemesis Book 1 start), 224 Judge Death Lives, 228 (first Rogue Trooper), 330 (first Slaine), 626 (Horned God) spring most easily to mind but I could easily have named many more.
Back in the day I used to buy SFX magazine from the shops. The subscription version lacked the tag lines - I always thought that was a rubbish idea as the tag lines were a key part of the cover, building excitement for what was inside. I used to wonder if they were positioning what was a timing issue (i.e. they hadn't finished the cover yet when shipping to subcribers who used to get them quite a while before they hit the shops) as a "benefit".
Quote from: Magnetica on 02 October, 2016, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
Or it would have been nice to have a subs only variant - Future Publishing and whoever owns Empire these days do it every month for sub copies of their mags (well, the computer/console mags I get anyway) - even for subs to get the comic shop variety.
I wouldn't want every issue to have a different cover for subscribers to that in the shops. For me the cover is an intrinsic part of the identity of any given Prog and that would be lost if we started having different variants for every single issue. The odd one every ten years or so is fine but not as a regular thing. When I think back to the Progs and stories I love, the cover is a fundamental part of it. Covers like 61 (Cursed Earth), 222 (Nemesis Book 1 start), 224 Judge Death Lives, 228 (first Rogue Trooper), 330 (first Slaine), 626 (Horned God) spring most easily to mind but I could easily have named many more.
Back in the day I used to buy SFX magazine from the shops. The subscription version lacked the tag lines - I always thought that was a rubbish idea as the tag lines were a key part of the cover, building excitement for what was inside. I used to wonder if they were positioning what was a timing issue (i.e. they hadn't finished the cover yet when shipping to subcribers who used to get them quite a while before they hit the shops) as a "benefit".
Yes - all of that - one cover, one comic, one squaxx!
Quote from: Magnetica on 02 October, 2016, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
Or it would have been nice to have a subs only variant - Future Publishing and whoever owns Empire these days do it every month for sub copies of their mags (well, the computer/console mags I get anyway) - even for subs to get the comic shop variety.
I wouldn't want every issue to have a different cover for subscribers to that in the shops. For me the cover is an intrinsic part of the identity of any given Prog and that would be lost if we started having different variants for every single issue. The odd one every ten years or so is fine but not as a regular thing. When I think back to the Progs and stories I love, the cover is a fundamental part of it. Covers like 61 (Cursed Earth), 222 (Nemesis Book 1 start), 224 Judge Death Lives, 228 (first Rogue Trooper), 330 (first Slaine), 626 (Horned God) spring most easily to mind but I could easily have named many more.
Back in the day I used to buy SFX magazine from the shops. The subscription version lacked the tag lines - I always thought that was a rubbish idea as the tag lines were a key part of the cover, building excitement for what was inside. I used to wonder if they were positioning what was a timing issue (i.e. they hadn't finished the cover yet when shipping to subcribers who used to get them quite a while before they hit the shops) as a "benefit".
Yes, you're right, those tagless covers are a bit soulless actually.
I did mean the variant covers only, it would be nice for a sub only one as a special treat, my point was that it is possible as others do do it every month, and it happened before on prog whatever and that meg whatever I can't remember the numbers where we got both covers stapled in.
Something is mightily up with the Glasgow/Kilmarnock sorting offices though as although I said most of my other mail arrives on time, it does seem to be the mags that suffer, Tooth being the worst - one of my sons gets The Phoenix which used to arrive (1st class on the envelope) on a Friday (we used to call is "Phoenix Phriday"...) but now its usually a Saturday but on occasion not til the Monday - Phoenix HQ have confirmed that all the issues are posted out on the same day and that most subscribers receive them on the Friday... Also my Private Eye, another first classer, can vary from Tuesday to Thursday and I'm sure it's printed off on the Monday afternoon.
Maybe I'll take a moan up the Royal Mail chain, as this seems like intentional delaying of the mail or something else I can muster up that they shouldn't be doing.
Jovus, that thread till a while to catch up on. Guess it is over 3 weeks old...
Liked that prog a lot, notch above the usual 'event' issues even if not everything worked. Highlights being Bolland :o :o , Gibbons, trademark Nemesis nastiness, Cook, MacNeil and Tharg's neat tiptoeing through the tales to show off (as usual) :)
...and you could have titled the Dredd tale 'Some Fluff', without fear of contradiction. When the time travel & guest appearances kick in, surely you leave your brain at the door and look at the (very) pretty pictures ? Put me in mind of an Ezquerra story from an early Dredd annual where a crowd of Dredd villains reappeared. Looked curious drawn by another artist, as here.
Quote from: Frank on 26 September, 2016, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 26 September, 2016, 11:27:11 AM
Aaah, I remember when it was all fanwank as far as the eye could see.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=21694.0;nowap (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=21694.0;nowap)
Until five minutes ago, all I knew of Robin Low was his name check at the front of Origins. Having read a few of his posts, the aspects of Origins I hated make much more sense.
My contribution was largely the idea that Fargo didn't die but was put into stasis, but was occasionally wheeled out so as to resolve the Oz/date of death contradiction. There's relatively little else in it that doesn't come directly from the strip, which was all double checked by Logan and myself, or from Wagner himself.
The fact is, Dredd as been remarkably consistent in its continuity, just one of the reasons it remains worth reading.
Regards,
Robin
The slight issue I had with Origins was reconciling Dredd's reaction to the contents of the Cal files with the Origins revelation of Fargo's 'indiscretions'.
I think it was discussed at length at the time but I still keep on getting confused at to what Dredd was actually supposed to think based on the retro-continuity.
I seem to recall Sc**o absolutely losing it over this detail so I've learnt to let it go
Quote from: Robin Low on 03 October, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
My contribution was largely the idea that Fargo didn't die but was put into stasis, but was occasionally wheeled out so as to resolve the Oz/date of death contradiction
Sorry for sounding so cunty above, Robin.
Pop-up Fargo is the aspect of
Origins I enjoy least, but I appreciate we all enjoy the same characters and stories in many different ways and for many different reasons.
Congratulations on coming up with an idea worthy of John Wagner's seal of approval, which changed the course of (fictional) history!
Quote from: Rio De Fideldo on 03 October, 2016, 11:59:34 AM
I seem to recall Sc**o absolutely losing it over this detail so I've learnt to let it go
IIRC that was because Wagner just doesn't "get" Dredd :lol:
::) Is that sauchie boy giving off again??
Quote from: Frank on 03 October, 2016, 02:25:47 PM
Congratulations on coming up with an idea worthy of John Wagner's seal of approval, which changed the course of (fictional) history!
You know it wasn't the first time, yeah?
Quote from: I, Cosh on 03 October, 2016, 05:22:49 PM
Quote from: Frank on 03 October, 2016, 02:25:47 PM
Congratulations on coming up with an idea worthy of John Wagner's seal of approval, which changed the course of (fictional) history!
You know it wasn't the first time, yeah?
Or maybe it was and I'm getting mixed up with someone else.
If you tell me it was the Legendary Shark's idea for Total War to set off nukes and bring down the established order ... I wouldn't be surprised.
Quote from: Frank on 03 October, 2016, 05:27:58 PM
If you tell me it was the Legendary Shark's idea for Total War to set off nukes and bring down the established order ... I wouldn't be surprised.
Arf!
I was thinking about that Strontium Dog story with the tax inspector. Somebody was credited with the idea for that but now I can't remember who.
Quote from: Frank on 03 October, 2016, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Robin Low on 03 October, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
My contribution was largely the idea that Fargo didn't die but was put into stasis, but was occasionally wheeled out so as to resolve the Oz/date of death contradiction
Pop-up Fargo is the aspect of Origins I enjoy least, but I appreciate we all enjoy the same characters and stories in many different ways and for many different reasons.
Without the motivating force of the
Fargo search I suspect what's left of the bones of
Origins could possibly play out as a series of disparate, unmotivated flashbacks
- if transposed into a lesser storyline - so even though he's being unduly modest about it's importance, Robin's idea is the bullet that drives the story forward until it hits home in the final pages.
The humdinger ending strikes an apt and sombre tone that prevents it from becoming
Weekend at Dreddie's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCTgcZ6ImsQ)
QuoteThe slight issue I had with Origins was reconciling Dredd's reaction to the contents of the Cal files with the Origins revelation of Fargo's 'indiscretions'.
I thought the same thing at first, but actually there is a significant difference. In Origins, Fargo had a one night stand in a moment of weakness, which he instantly regretted so much that he resigned over it. He wasn't corrupt or dishonest, he just failed -- once -- to live up to the same standards he'd set for everyone else.
But in The Cal Files the (false) allegation against Fargo was that he'd had a secret affair and abusec his position to procure favours and benefits for his girlfriend, which would be corruption and misuse of power. A very different kettle of fish. So no inconsistency really.
Quote from: I, Cosh on 03 October, 2016, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: Frank on 03 October, 2016, 05:27:58 PM
If you tell me it was the Legendary Shark's idea for Total War to set off nukes and bring down the established order ... I wouldn't be surprised.
Arf!
I was thinking about that Strontium Dog story with the tax inspector. Somebody was credited with the idea for that but now I can't remember who.
I want to see that guy return, but he's a hardened ex-con, after Alpha even after he's pulled a Hotblack Desiato for 10 years.
Quote from: user2000 on 01 October, 2016, 11:10:35 PM
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 01 October, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
No prog 2001 here in Ayrshire , after spending the day in Edinburgh getting loads of books signed I was hoping to relax and read the latest prog. The Royal Mail in Scotland is terrible these days. Picture below is of Emma Beeby , Gordon Rennie , Tom Foster and Colin MacNeil. Sadly, Alan Grant could not make it today .
I'm Ayrshire too, still no Prog 2000 for me! I just bought it from Smiths. Need to get round to contacting someone, did I read somewhere that it's not Denise any more?
As I said a few pages back it's been nearly a couple of months since I remember getting the "regular" Saturday prog, mine have been Monday or mostly Tuesday before they turn up, how have yours been?
I have to say, a big draw of subscribing all these years is to get the Prog early - I'm afraid one day early just isn't going to cut it, but I have *just* resubscribed so I suppose I'll have to lump it ::)
I'm still progless for 2001. I managed to speak to the postie and he reckons its the KILMARNOCK sorting office that could be delaying shipment of the progs to us in Ayrshire.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 03 October, 2016, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Robin Low on 03 October, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
My contribution was largely the idea that Fargo didn't die but was put into stasis, but was occasionally wheeled out so as to resolve the Oz/date of death contradiction
Without the motivating force of the Fargo search I suspect what's left of the bones of Origins could possibly play out as a series of disparate, unmotivated flashbacks ... Robin's idea is the bullet that drives the story forward until it hits home in the final pages.
Leaving aside Robin's justifiable pride and the importance of his contribution, I'm not sure the story would have lost anything if Fargo had spent the entire eighty years since his suicide attempt in suspended animation*.
It's ironic that Zombie Fargo's occasional role as consultant to the Goodman administration entails much more significant changes to the history of the series and the mythology of the character than the minor continuity goof it 'fixed'.
It's just too messy and unlikely, burdening Dredd and the supporting cast with unconvincing explanatory dialogue answering the readers' questions about why Fargo has to stay a secret.
I enjoy most of Origins, especially Cadet Dredd(s).
* Rather than repeating the beat of Fargo's sexual indiscretion from The Cal Files - which creates its own continuity problems (see above) - making Eustace's concern that Justice Department was out of control the motivation for eating his service revolver means you could still have that brilliant final scene, where he begs himself to fix the damage he's caused
Quote from: Frank on 04 October, 2016, 06:36:46 PM
Leaving aside Robin's justifiable pride and the importance of his contribution, I'm not sure the story would have lost anything if Fargo had spent the entire eighty years since his suicide attempt in suspended animation*
Yeah, but really my point is that the retro-fixing of a continuity issue is a secondary component of Robin's greater contribution
- the idea that Fargo is still alive and in convalescent suspended animation - (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=19752.0;nowap) without that
Origins doesn't have the hook needed to make it a story and in particular a flashback story that needs meaningful past/present narrative conjunctions.
This is also in reference to an earlier idea of maybe doing an
Origins style story without the Fargo hook -
Quote from: Frank on 26 September, 2016, 06:22:58 PM
I like parts of Origins a lot; it would have made a fantastic Blood Cadets mini-series in the Megazine, focusing on Rico and Joe's progress through the Academy, interspersed with flashbacks to Jaxville and the birth of Instant Justice.
Quote from: Frank on 26 September, 2016, 06:22:58 PM
It's ironic that Zombie Fargo's occasional role as consultant to the Goodman administration entails much more significant changes to the history of the series and the mythology of the character than the minor continuity goof it 'fixed'.
It's just too messy and unlikely, burdening Dredd and the supporting cast with unconvincing explanatory dialogue answering the readers' questions about why Fargo has to stay a secret. I enjoy most of Origins, especially Cadet Dredd(s).
I am fond of Fargo's re-invoking the
Declaration of Independence and think it's worth the price of inclusion but don't think
Origins needed to address Judd's insurrection at all nor the late inclusion of Judd sympathisers as bodysnatchers - it seems tangential, like an anti-climactic plot-turn too far after the main story of Booth and the war.
OZ is Judd's story and didn't need an abrupt re-telling here - much as the Fargo Clan didn't need the red-herring of a disposable Fargo twin to get them into the story.
Quote from: Frank on 04 October, 2016, 06:36:46 PM* Rather than repeating the beat of Fargo's sexual indiscretion from The Cal Files - which creates its own continuity problems (see above) - making Eustace's concern that Justice Department was out of control the motivation for eating his service revolver means you could still have that brilliant final scene, where he begs himself to fix the damage he's caused
You could easily leave Fago's wig-out at that level and it would work as well but we do lose the idea that he suicided because he's disappointed in himself.
Wait, are we saying that a definitive origin story for a character with 30 years of stories behind him shouldn't involved convoluted continuity fixes? Because what we're asking for there is a DC-style reboot. Any post-facto origin had to at least try to have a swing at the various inconsistencies, and Origins makes a virtue of it.
I think Fargo's tortuous half-life adds to the character, his judging of himself as inadequate, and living on to continue serving the city, is a great mirror to the problems of his bloodline: the same exact thing happens to Kraken, and in another variation to the Dead Man and Rico. Maybe even Nimrod. All live on past their moment of crisis and self-destruction to a drawn-out disfigured existence, with various states of mind.
Quote from: TordelBack on 04 October, 2016, 10:36:32 PM
Wait, are we saying that a definitive origin story for a character with 30 years of stories behind him shouldn't involved convoluted continuity fixes?
To be honest, I have no idea what Oz/Judd related detail Fargo rolling away the stone was supposed to fix.
I assume somebody says Judd made off with Fargo's baby juice 50 years ago, or 30 years ago, or some other time after Fargo should have been dead in his grave.
If you were retconning that, it'd seem less disruptive to the established history of the strip to say Dredd (or whoever) got his dates wrong that
one time it was mentioned in passing. I appreciate that those who
like Fargo's Lazarus act will take a different view.
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Origins in brief: shite story; truly great ending.
Quote from: I, Cosh on 05 October, 2016, 12:04:33 AM
Origins in brief: shite story; truly great ending.
First read Origins in Hachette form recently and... you've summed it up.
Quote from: Frank on 04 October, 2016, 11:14:53 PM
To be honest, I have no idea what Oz/Judd related detail Fargo rolling away the stone was supposed to fix.
I assume somebody says Judd made off with Fargo's baby juice 50 years ago, or 30 years ago, or some other time after Fargo should have been dead in his grave.
If you were retconning that, it'd seem less disruptive to the established history of the strip to say Dredd (or whoever) got his dates wrong that one time it was mentioned in passing. I appreciate that those who like Fargo's Lazarus act will take a different view.
Okay, I don't intend to get back into a habit of posting here regularly, so this is a one off because I'm on holiday and have the time to waste. Any comments, please PM them.
Very simply, the date on Fargo's tomb give his death as 2051. Unfortunately, Oz shows Fargo directly involved with Judd in 2071 and Judd himself whinges about Fargo's rejection of his plans.
The following may be of interest to the historians of the comic here. I've found the document I sent to Logan to pass on to John Wagner when the latter asked for some background details after deciding to use the original idea that Fargo was still alive. I've pasted it in below, although without the timeline (which included the non-Dredd stuff). I don't know exactly what, if any, part of it Wagner might have seen himself. Logan may just have used it to check his own information.
The basis of this timeline was the timeline presented in the first Judge Dredd Roleplaying Game from Games Workshop. I believe that it was originally the work of a fan, and appeared in an annual or summer special, but I've never been able to locate that original. However, it does seem to have become the 'standard' history and provided a good basis to work from. Wherever possible, I've checked out its claims – some bits of it were clearly speculation designed to weave together various hints (in particular the sequence of the early Chief Judges of Mega City One) and a few bits are purely made up (such as the civil war between MC1, MC2 and MC3, and the transformation of the latter into Texas City). However, as far as I can tell, none of these things contradict anything in Judge Dredd, they do make sense, and actually add something to the story.
The only major continuity error that I've ever spotted in the Judge Dredd series occurs in the Oz storyline, in which Chief Judge Silver says that Fargo was still Chief Judge after the Atomic Wars of 2070/1 and there's a whole flashback scene with Fargo and Judd. Later in the story, Judd complains bitterly about Fargo. However, this directly contradicts the series itself, as we know from his tomb that Fargo officially died in 2051, and this is supported by the fact that when Chief Judge Goodman is murdered in 2101, he's been in office for a staggering 43 years! A possible explanation for this error is suggested in the entry for 2071 – it's a fudge, but without it we have to ignore the details on Fargo's tomb, ignore the details of Goodman's term in office and then decide on a new date for Fargo's death that would have to be within Dredd's own lifetime! This latter point would mean that Dredd and Fargo would almost certainly have met one another at some point, which just doesn't ring true.
(Incidentally, the new Judge Dredd Roleplaying Games has decided that Fargo died in something like 2085! The game's writers appear to have made this up without any thought for the consequences referred to above.)
The problem facing John W in any Fargo story is this contradiction. It's a toughie: if he goes with the view that Fargo was alive and Chief Judge after the Atomic Wars when the judges gain power on 2070/1, then he has to ignore some previously well-established 'facts'. Alternatively, if he goes with the view that Fargo did 'die' in 2051, as it says on his tomb, then he has a lot more leeway in creating history, but removes Fargo from that pivotal historical moment of the transfer of power from the president to the judges.
I can see one way around this: Fargo official 'dies' in 2051, but is secretly put into suspended-animation until a possible cure is available. However, he is temporarily and secretly revived at the time of the Atomic Wars and the transfer of power from Bad Bob Booth to the judges, and so gets to play some part in the process, although it is not a role that is ever publicly known. Perhaps it is Booth himself (who may still be out in the Cursed Earth after Dredd sentenced him to life) who actually knows where Fargo is hidden in sus-am.QuoteDISCLAIMER: DESPITE THE NUMBER OF WORDS I'VE DEVOTED TO THE TOPIC, I'M NOT THAT BOTHERED. I JUST ENJOY A GOOD ARGUMENT
I tried that for the better part of 20 years, but in my experience a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest.... mmmm mm mmmm
Regards,
Robin
Nicely done Robin, you're still my continuity-nerd idol.
FWIW I don't think Cosh is far off in his assessment of Origins as a whole, but I'd expand it to include the effects of the story and not just the ending. Seeing li'l Joe'n'Rico in action, seeing Dredd confronted with the realities of the mutant experience, learning that Dredd actually knew Fargo, Fargo's mitivations and hopes, and Fargo's own remorseless self-judgement and feelings of failure, and not least crystallising the source of Dredd's doubts: he is the Law, but the Law is wrong at a fundamental level... it all deepened the Dredd character to a considerable degree.
Just read Prog 2000 and it's everything it should be, a nostalgic look back and anticipating thrills of the future.
Brilliant cover and poster by Cliff Robinson.
The Tharg link pages are a great idea, wonderful to see the return of familiar names and cameos of past thrills.
Dredd was great fun, I took it in the same spirit as Top Dogs, not thinking about continuity too much. Be great to see Dredd and Alpha team up again though.
Nemesis is also great fun, exactly in the spirit it should be.
Rogue Trooper highlights in just a few pages how good Gordon Rennie's depth of storytelling is about the eternal war on Nu Earth and sets up the new series very well.
Anderson revisits that other great eternal conflict, hers with Death, and does so brilliantly. Great to see you drawing Cass again David.
I'm not into Sinister Dexter so will leave discussion on that to those better versed than me.
Counterfeit Girl hooked me from the off, loads of ideas chucked in to the mix straight away, and Rufus Dayglo's art reflects this world perfectly'
All in all, a great Prog, all involved should feel justifiably proud.
Quote from: TordelBack on 05 October, 2016, 09:36:47 AM
FWIW I don't think Cosh is far off in his assessment of Origins as a whole, but I'd expand it to include the effects of the story and not just the ending.
This is a fair point. I was just thinking recently that the whole Mutants in MC1, Tour of Duty, Mayor Maybe might be the best Dredd era of all. Certainly in terms of a cohesive, ongoing narrative.
Quote from: TordelBack on 05 October, 2016, 09:36:47 AM
Nicely done Robin, you're still my continuity-nerd idol.
Thanks for coming out of semi-retirement, Robin!
QuoteFWIW I don't think Cosh is far off in his assessment of Origins as a whole, but I'd expand it to include the effects of the story and not just the ending. Seeing li'l Joe'n'Rico in action, seeing Dredd confronted with the realities of the mutant experience, learning that Dredd actually knew Fargo, Fargo's mitivations and hopes, and Fargo's own remorseless self-judgement and feelings of failure, and not least crystallising the source of Dredd's doubts: he is the Law, but the Law is wrong at a fundamental level... it all deepened the Dredd character to a considerable degree.
Yep - I was thinking the same thing - the mutant stories, the Cursed Earth exile, all have followed from Origins.
Quote from: TordelBack on 05 October, 2016, 09:36:47 AM
Nicely done Robin, you're still my continuity-nerd idol.
FWIW I don't think Cosh is far off in his assessment of Origins as a whole, but I'd expand it to include the effects of the story and not just the ending. Seeing li'l Joe'n'Rico in action, seeing Dredd confronted with the realities of the mutant experience, learning that Dredd actually knew Fargo, Fargo's mitivations and hopes, and Fargo's own remorseless self-judgement and feelings of failure, and not least crystallising the source of Dredd's doubts: he is the Law, but the Law is wrong at a fundamental level... it all deepened the Dredd character to a considerable degree.
Beautifully put.
As a 4 year old reader Origins really floated my boat when I purchased it shortly after dipping my toe in 2000AD waters. It fleeced out my my pre-conceptions of a more one dimensional character and was a major hook for me on a continuing journey. I loved it.
Quote from: I, Cosh on 05 October, 2016, 10:54:35 AM
the whole Mutants in MC1, Tour of Duty, Mayor Maybe might be the best Dredd era of all. Certainly in terms of a cohesive, ongoing narrative
Amen. Closest you'll get in terms of quality is the end of
Oz to
Twilight's Last Gleaming, but the scale, scope and complexity are so different it runs a very distant second.
Given Robin's reluctance to rejoin the discussion here, I'll frame the following as general observations, rather than anything that demands a response.
In
Oz (prog 559 (http://i.imgur.com/MwJk2DF.png)), Silver says Judd made his move once
'the wars were over', but he doesn't specify
which wars. Given the fact that Fargo is still alive, those wars must have been fought prior to 2051*.
* I thought there was an opportunity for total nerdgasm here, and that the war Uncle Tom refers to might be the Germ War mentioned by Red in the first episode of The Cursed Earth, but Judge Dredd's "old friend" (how's that for an anomaly!) says that happened after the Atomic War of 2070
Quote from: Frank on 05 October, 2016, 05:42:22 PMIn Oz (prog 559 (http://i.imgur.com/MwJk2DF.png)), Silver says Judd made his move once 'the wars were over', but he doesn't specify which wars. Given the fact that Fargo is still alive, those wars must have been fought prior to 2051*.
The tone of that page heavily implies the Judges are all ready in the era of total
post-presidential control after the war of 2070 - Silver's reference to Fargo
"slowly pulling things back together"; Judd making his case to the council of five and Fargo having the
ability to exercise his veto over the idea of cloning citizens, then Silver's words
"We thought we could do anything" plus a few pages later he says
"The whole world was in a mess". Taken altogether it's hard to say Booth's war of 2070 is not the context.
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Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 October, 2016, 07:35:15 PM
The tone of that page heavily implies the Judges are all ready in the era of total post-presidential control ... it's hard to say Booth's war of 2070 is not the context
Oh yeah - that's
clearly what Wagner and Grant had in mind when they wrote that page. But if you're trying to resolve the
aporia it presents, the handy lack of dates means placing that scene prior to 2051 is a more elegant solution than
FargodiedbuttheykeptitasecretandthawedhimoutwhenevertheyhadaproblemthatgooglingcouldntsolveandheneededtobearoundforcontinuityreasonsI admit my preference for the simplest explanation possible stems from the fact such contradictions don't bother me at all and I don't even think they need to be addressed with an in-story solution.
I accept that places me in a tiny minority of comic readers, accustomed as they are to the conventions of US funny books*, and that
they're the people who subsidise the continuing publication of work by creators I enjoy, so I should just shut up.
* I can't remember any letters to the Beano demanding to know why the repercussions of Dennis the Menace TP-ing Beanotown weren't followed up in subsequent weeks, or moaning that events in Minnie The Minx seem to happen in a separate continuity to Dennis's
Quote from: Frank on 05 October, 2016, 08:20:24 PM
I can't remember any letters to the Beano demanding to know why the repercussions of Dennis the Menace TP-ing Beanotown weren't followed up in subsequent weeks, or moaning that events in Minnie The Minx seem to happen in a separate continuity to Dennis's[/i]
Can't decide if you really mean this bit! I'm pretty ecumenical when it comes to continuity - if I liked a story or event, it matters, if I didn't, it doesn't - but I don't think having an interest in a character or setting that develops and changes over time in a vaguely consistent manner is necessarily the product of/analogous to an American comics-reading mindset. Certainly a good fun story is a thing unto itself, but a larger story that can come into being around those stories is simply another good thing.
Quote from: user2000 on 02 October, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
I seem to remember back in the day when there were variant covers, us loyal subbees were given both covers stapled onto the one issue...
Always thought that was a stroke of genius on Rebellion's part. Ordinary subbers feel like they've got a nice treat while the real loons need to buy both normal versions rather than just the one they didn't get in the mail.
We also used to get sent the occasional graphic novel too for free (or did I imagine that?)
I did have the Rain Dogs and Glimmer Rats Hardbacks through from a sub.
Does anyone need a copy of the Robinson cover? Thanks to warehousing droid malfunctions, I have a spare that PICKLZ has said I can keep. I don't need it so I'd like to pass it on to a thrill-starved fellow squaxx.
PM me only if you need it please (ie you haven't got a copy at all or if you're looking for this variant). Please DON'T if you're looking to sell it on ebay.
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 08 October, 2016, 09:21:32 AM
Does anyone need a copy of the Robinson cover? Thanks to warehousing droid malfunctions, I have a spare that PICKLZ has said I can keep. I don't need it so I'd like to pass it on to a thrill-starved fellow squaxx.
PM me only if you need it please (ie you haven't got a copy at all or if you're looking for this variant). Please DON'T if you're looking to sell it on ebay.
Dammit! A day too late. Just spent a tenner on it.
Oh well, hope it goes to a good home.
Thanks to Robin for posting that.
Tbh, I'd have been happy with just retconning the date on Fargo's tomb, but I did enjoy the whole secret history / conspiracy / cover up thing, so it was worth it. Although ironically there's still another unresolved discrepancy where Dredd says in Blood Cadets that Goodman wasn't chief judge until after 2079, but thee you go.
I think it would have been mad not to include Judd -- Dredd's creator -- in a story about Dredd's origins, or not to include the Judda, who first appeared in 2071, in a story about events taking place around that date.
I don't buy the argument that Silver must have been referring to a war before 2051 when he's talking to an audience of people who all appear to already know that Fargo was still alive in 2071.
Prog 2000 is sold out in the store, is there going to be another printing, or is that it?
Quote from: Llowellen on 15 October, 2016, 06:37:33 PM
Prog 2000 is sold out in the store, is there going to be another printing, or is that it?
Available here:
https://forbiddenplanet.com/207485-2000ad-prog-2000-px-bw-fabry-wraparound-2nd-printing/
Quote from: dweezil2 on 15 October, 2016, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: Llowellen on 15 October, 2016, 06:37:33 PM
Prog 2000 is sold out in the store, is there going to be another printing, or is that it?
Available here:
https://forbiddenplanet.com/207485-2000ad-prog-2000-px-bw-fabry-wraparound-2nd-printing/
Also available at other comic shops, one of which I'm hoping to pick up a copy from on my birthday (shall report back afterwards if they have any additional copies).
AT LAST! :D :D :D
after me harassing the various comic shop owners here in Radelaide, Oz for weeks it has arrived!
i'm a happy little squaxx with my 2 copies of Prog 2000 in my hot and sweaty hands. didn't manage to get the Burnham cover but got the Fabry and Robinson. now comes the wait for the newsagents to get their copies in a few weeks and see if i can get the set.
i'm really feeling the thrill-power :P
Quote from: terryworld on 03 November, 2016, 05:29:51 AM
AT LAST! :D :D :D
after me harassing the various comic shop owners here in Radelaide, Oz for weeks it has arrived!
i'm a happy little squaxx with my 2 copies of Prog 2000 in my hot and sweaty hands. didn't manage to get the Burnham cover but got the Fabry and Robinson. now comes the wait for the newsagents to get their copies in a few weeks and see if i can get the set.
i'm really feeling the thrill-power :P
Hey Terry, if you're at Supanova, I should have copies for sale...
cheers mark, have sent you a pm about supanova.
not sure if i will be able to get along. one of the joys of fatherhood has been introducing my daughter to comics, cons, and all things geeky. alas, the flip side of this has been that she now blows all my budget on wigs, contact lenses and everything else cosplay related, leaving me with very little galactic groats to actually go along myself lolz. we'll see how my ebay store does in the next week or so, fingers crossed the cash register will be ringing :)
Quote from: terryworld on 03 November, 2016, 05:29:51 AM
AT LAST! :D :D :D
after me harassing the various comic shop owners here in Radelaide, Oz for weeks it has arrived!
Same here, Mister World.
Diamond are inordinately fond of invoicing Stevie's Radelaidian LCS for the Prog but not physically packing the packs in the boxes yet somehow both covers turned up this week as per the New Releases page over on Previewsworld (http://www.previewsworld.com/NewReleases).
If you haven't bookmarked this page already to best do so now. The new releases for each week go up on a Monday Oz time so it's an invaluable resource for informing your LCS when, sadly more often than should be necessary, they have to follow up with Diamond as to why their pre-orders of British publications have not been included in their shipment.
The September 2016 Prog Packs also lobbed up as well.
Surely this is one of the signs of the impending apocalypse?
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Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 04 November, 2016, 01:52:55 AM
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Talk about delays - it's taken almost a thousand years for issue 2 of the Bayeaux Tapestry to come out - at least modern comics have a slightly faster turn-around time ;)
King Harold's apologises for the delay. He's got something stuck in his eye and it's making it hard for him to keep working on it.
thanks to the inkiest of monkeys, the set is complete. and a lovely bloke to boot, great to meet him, you guys look after him in february. zarjaz!
Quote from: terryworld on 19 November, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
thanks to the inkiest of monkeys, the set is complete. and a lovely bloke to boot, great to meet him, you guys look after him in february. zarjaz!
T'was great meeting you today, young Terryfellow. And thanks for sneaking the beer in to the convention, I made good use of it...