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Title: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: milstar on 08 March, 2021, 09:52:14 PM
I couldn't find a thread where I'd appropriately ask this question, but is anybody know what stories/progs are contained in this trade? I just noticed it on amazon, perhaps I'll buy it, although I read all Dredd stories up to America (I noticed on Amazon sample Letter from Democrat and Revolution arc).
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 March, 2021, 11:15:51 PM
Letter from a Democrat (460)
Revolution (531–533)
Politics (656)
America (Meg 1.01–1.07)
The Evil you Know (750–753)
Twilight's Last Gleaming (754–756)
Cover to 756
Colin MacNeil sketches (three pages)

All in full colour. (Sally Jane Hurst does a good job on the old B+W strips.)
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Rogue Judge on 08 March, 2021, 11:20:13 PM
It's a really great collection, highly recommended. Nicely ties together the plot threads leading up to America and the subsequent events.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: milstar on 08 March, 2021, 11:32:09 PM
Thanks.

I think I'll probably get it. Despite that I already have books with some of these stories in (CCF10&11 and America).
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Rogue Judge on 08 March, 2021, 11:47:01 PM
I also have the Case Files, but find having it collected together, in color, oversized, makes it worthwhile.

Also recommend the Essential Apocalypse War if you don't have it. All in color and oversized!
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: AlexF on 09 March, 2021, 09:19:23 AM
The thing is, and of course it couldn't all fit into this one trade, but to really get into the Dredd/Democracy thing you kind of need to read all the build up to Necropolis, and then the post-Necropolis story 'Nightmares', which is where they set up the idea that there's going to be a vote at all.
There's a case, maybe, for suggesting they should've included at least 'Letter to Judge Dredd' and 'Nightmares' in a collection like this (especially as they were in colour anyway!)
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: milstar on 09 March, 2021, 10:25:59 AM
Damn, I feel now confused.

Judging from Indigo Prime's post, they did not include Cadet and whatisname the second story from America trade, which are sequels to America arc.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 March, 2021, 11:12:11 AM
Depends what you're trying to collect and what's important to you, really. If you're getting the Case Files and have America, the Essentials book is somewhat redundant, unless you want that specific arc in a single volume. But for newcomers, it seems like a solid entry point into one of the most important pieces of Judge Dredd history.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Lorenzo on 09 March, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: milstar on 09 March, 2021, 10:25:59 AM
Damn, I feel now confused.

Judging from Indigo Prime's post, they did not include Cadet and whatisname the second story from America trade, which are sequels to America arc.

I had the same question a while back. If you are looking for a collection, outside of the case files, that has the missing stories:
'Fading of the Light', 'Cadet' and 'Judgement Call', then you'll want the US TPB of America from 2015.
It's OoP but still around if you look hard. It has this cover:

(https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/mid/9781/7810/9781781083703.jpg)
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 March, 2021, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Lorenzo on 09 March, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
I had the same question a while back. If you are looking for a collection, outside of the case files, that has the missing stories:
'Fading of the Light', 'Cadet' and 'Judgement Call', then you'll want the US TPB of America from 2015.
It's OoP but still around if you look hard. It has this cover:

(https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/mid/9781/7810/9781781083703.jpg)

Better to get the Mega Collection America book. Hardback, and you get an extra three stories, plus a lot easier to track down!
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 March, 2021, 11:59:17 AM
Yeah. It was three quid originally and so can be a tough sell for people who aren't taking the piss—although that obviously doesn't stop people listing the thing with rather... ambitious start prices.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Lorenzo on 09 March, 2021, 12:53:10 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 March, 2021, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Lorenzo on 09 March, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
I had the same question a while back. If you are looking for a collection, outside of the case files, that has the missing stories:
'Fading of the Light', 'Cadet' and 'Judgement Call', then you'll want the US TPB of America from 2015.
It's OoP but still around if you look hard. It has this cover:

(https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/mid/9781/7810/9781781083703.jpg)
Better to get the Mega Collection America book. Hardback, and you get an extra three stories, plus a lot easier to track down!

I keep forgetting about the Hachette collections as they are only available in the UK/Ireland, which isn't much use to me. The extra stories also have nothing to do with the America arc, but fair point about easier to track down!
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Rogue Judge on 09 March, 2021, 02:35:19 PM
I don't mind double dipping a bit to get new collections, I'm sure we've all done it...I have the America TPB too, and still appreciated the Essential collection.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 March, 2021, 03:21:19 PM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 09 March, 2021, 02:35:19 PMI'm sure we've all done it...
When those OS HCs of Nemesis kept coming back into stock in the 2000 AD store, I was a whisker away from triple dipping on the first one. I managed to stop myself, fortunately.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Rogue Judge on 09 March, 2021, 04:18:24 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 March, 2021, 03:21:19 PM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 09 March, 2021, 02:35:19 PMI'm sure we've all done it...
When those OS HCs of Nemesis kept coming back into stock in the 2000 AD store, I was a whisker away from triple dipping on the first one. I managed to stop myself, fortunately.

Where do you get the willpower? Well done, more creds for new thrills. I try not too, but there a few things I'd not flinch at, such as hardback collections of Strontium Dog (ala the Mek Files) OR re-releasing the first 11 Case Files with color spreads reinstated on new paper.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 March, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
Willpower came from various sources, not least our rapidly filling TV bookcase and my self-imposed budget that made me choose between double dipping or something new. I went for something new, since I had the Hachette HCs and also the Deviant Files.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 March, 2021, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 09 March, 2021, 04:18:24 PM
OR re-releasing the first 11 Case Files with color spreads reinstated on new paper.

Oh man! Yeah, I'd snap those up re-releases of those early books that better matched the later ones. You could add page numbers and contents pages, too.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: milstar on 09 March, 2021, 05:08:07 PM
I see this is like when I said in a FB group (2000ad Tat and Chat, to be precise) that collecting trade arcs are basically what you need to have about Dredd and his mythology. Someone said tho that I would miss some pretty good, essential short-stories that are in CCF.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Rogue Judge on 09 March, 2021, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 March, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
I went for something new, since I had the Hachette HCs and also the Deviant Files.
Oh good decision, that would be triple dipping! I really wish I had access to the Hachette HCs, unfortunately not an option outside the UK.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 March, 2021, 04:25:34 PM
Oh man! Yeah, I'd snap those up re-releases of those early books that better matched the later ones. You could add page numbers and contents pages, too.
Exactly! It would be awesome to have CF consistent from book 1, page numbers and all...and that would make a bit of room on the bookshelves too!

Quote from: milstar on 09 March, 2021, 05:08:07 PM
Someone said tho that I would miss some pretty good, essential short-stories that are in CCF.
I completely agree, as good as collected storyline are, so many of the best Dredd's are the random one-offs or short stories focusing on MC1 citizens. Only to be found in the Case Files.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Southstreeter on 09 March, 2021, 06:46:55 PM
Triple dipping? You wusses. At the last count I had Nemesis Bk 1 in an old large format hardback, the phone books, the Deviant Edition, the Ultimate Collection, and now the fancy new hardbacks. That's just 5, as I don't think I had the original progs (I read my brother's). I have been offloading them to charity though!
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 March, 2021, 07:41:21 PM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 09 March, 2021, 05:37:41 PMOh good decision, that would be triple dipping!
Thinking about it, I also have the original Progs, but they don't count in my head. (And I'm sticking with that, although Mrs IP did quizzically look at me and ask why I needed the Hachette books if I had all of the comics.)

QuoteI really wish I had access to the Hachette HCs, unfortunately not an option outside the UK.
It's a pity they aren't more widespread. I guess there isn't the market outside of specific territories, but they're a barg.

Quote from: Southstreeter on 09 March, 2021, 06:46:55 PMTriple dipping? You wusses. At the last count I had Nemesis Bk 1 in an old large format hardback, the phone books, the Deviant Edition, the Ultimate Collection, and now the fancy new hardbacks. That's just 5, as I don't think I had the original progs (I read my brother's). I have been offloading them to charity though!
Erm, I didn't think we were counting the numbers we'd bought, but rather the number we currently own. Otherwise my Nemesis book 1 order goes something like: Best of 2000 AD > Quality Comics reprints > finally getting the original Progs (still owned) > Titan reprint > Rebellion phone book > UC HC (still owned) > Deviant edition (still owned). On that basis, I'm half surprised I didn't buy the OS HC...
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Rogue Judge on 10 March, 2021, 04:09:43 PM
7x Nemesis dipping, you win IP! I have 3 forms of the Apocalypse War now, and a couple America, so I guess I cant complain. We've gotta support Tharg after all.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 March, 2021, 04:23:16 PM
I'm at least mostly offloading now, so I end up with, at most, original comics and one collected version. I even sold off my Mek-Files because of that, lovely though they were.

I'm making a very few exceptions: Deviant Edition Nemesis (on the basis of the altered art); Rebellion Sláine HCs and Deadworld HCs (lovely format; might later budge on Sláine); and my ancient Titan versions of the Alan Moore Shocking Futures and Twisted Times volumes, which have lovely covers. Oh, and anything where the HCs aren't yet complete. So I currently have a complete Sandman run in trades, but that'll be offloaded when the deluxe HCs have all arrived.

I really have to get around to putting more stuff on eBay. Sigh. (My complete run of Usagi Yojimbo trades is still lurking behind a chair in our main bedroom, adding to my guilt on a daily basis!)
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 March, 2021, 04:52:07 PM
Multiple copies is a nightmare!  From what I can tell the Essential Apocalypse War is essentially the IDW version with the cover it should have had. 

So on one level I'm tempted on the grounds that what IDW did borders on the criminal (I mean seriously, passing up on the likes of Ezquerra, Bolland, Dillon, McMahon or Smith for someone who simply does not get MC1 at all?  What were they thinking?)

On the other hand, I've got this edition, the originals, the Eagle Comics version (although if they were to give that the Deviant treatment ...), and the Mega collection ...

There are a few bits I do want to offload but ebay is no longer a serious option.  Besides the insane charges (10% of the postage?  I mean, WTF are you doing charging for stuff that I have to pay for myself?), the fact that it is now pretty much overtaken by business, scalpers and flippers who just want to charge bonkers prices for things.  Facebook is not much better either ...   :|
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 March, 2021, 05:29:25 PM
I've sold plenty on eBay and it's been OK. Charges are shitty but it gets plenty of eyes on what you have for sale. I'd rather sell through here — which I have done quite a few times — but the audience here is rather smaller in number!
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 March, 2021, 07:34:04 PM
Aye, I've used ebay quite a bit in the past to shift stuff.  The last time was a hell of a shock though.  10% of whatever the final price is.  10% of whatever the postage and packing charge is.  Hell I was surprised they didn't charge for walking to the post office to send the stuff!
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 March, 2021, 08:05:34 PM
I've not used eBay for an age. Instead I'd started to book tables at a location comic mart. Nowhere near as effectice but a TON more fun.... haven't done it for a while mind... something must have happened.

Seriously though when this sort of thing starts again if you have a decent amount of stuff to sell I'd consider it it really is a fun way to spend the day.
Title: Re: Essential Judge Dredd America trade
Post by: Lorenzo on 11 March, 2021, 11:24:55 AM
Quote from: Lorenzo on 09 March, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: milstar on 09 March, 2021, 10:25:59 AM
Damn, I feel now confused.

Judging from Indigo Prime's post, they did not include Cadet and whatisname the second story from America trade, which are sequels to America arc.

I had the same question a while back. If you are looking for a collection, outside of the case files, that has the missing stories:
'Fading of the Light', 'Cadet' and 'Judgement Call', then you'll want the US TPB of America from 2015.
It's OoP but still around if you look hard. It has this cover:

(https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/mid/9781/7810/9781781083703.jpg)
Scratch all of that! I discovered a copy of the US TPB of America in a local comic shop... It's identical to the UK version. The page count is in error and it only contains 'America', 'Fading of the Light' and 'Cadet'. No 'Judgement Call'.