(Hello fellow thrill-seekers, I'm not a native english speaker so I apologize in advance for any errors)
So, I've been reading Judge Dredd comics for quite a while now, but only recently I have come across charachters saying the phrase "Jovis Drokk!". I know that "Jovis" is a substitute for Jesus and "Drokk" is used as a substitute for profanity, but since in this case they're both nouns, how do they go together? Do they have a "special meaning" when put together?
Not really. I think its largely down to to what the author thinks sound cool. Drokk does seem to just be used as a substitute for 'fuck' and is used in the same manner, and Stomm is usually used as an analogue for 'shit'. Then you have the obvious Grud and Jovis and the lesser used 'Dokk' but by and large if it sounds cool, it works.
To continue with James's replacement idea there, it wouldn't be unusual to hear a British person say something like "Jesus fuck!" which doesn't make any sense if you try to think of it as a phrase and couldn't really be translated but would be immediately understood as an expression of extreme annoyance or displeasure.
Quote from: The Cosh on 26 July, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
it wouldn't be unusual to hear a British person say something like "Jesus fuck!" which doesn't make any sense if you try to think of it as a phrase
"Hulk smash!"
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 July, 2016, 12:08:59 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 26 July, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
it wouldn't be unusual to hear a British person say something like "Jesus fuck!" which doesn't make any sense if you try to think of it as a phrase
"Hulk smash!"
"Mongrel Smush"
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 July, 2016, 12:08:59 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 26 July, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
it wouldn't be unusual to hear a British person say something like "Jesus fuck!" which doesn't make any sense if you try to think of it as a phrase
"Hulk smash!"
Ha ha! I stand corrected.
Quote from: Link Prime on 26 July, 2016, 12:14:24 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 July, 2016, 12:08:59 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 26 July, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
it wouldn't be unusual to hear a British person say something like "Jesus fuck!" which doesn't make any sense if you try to think of it as a phrase
"Hulk smash!"
A1!
"Mongrel Smush"
Thanks everybody! I had always assumed that it meant something along the lines of "Jesus Christ!" (since, while obviously drokk is used as a placeholder to f*ck, it technically could refer to any kind of profanity, so in that iteration it could be intended as exclaiming "Christ!). I guess the authors sometimes just like to put together cool - sounding words, then.
I've often wondered about "Grud on a Greenie" - a green what?
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 July, 2016, 01:32:29 PM
I've often wondered about "Grud on a Greenie" - a green what?
It probably has no anologue exclamation in today's language, I've always felt it as something between "Oh my god" and "Goddammit"
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 July, 2016, 01:32:29 PM
I've often wondered about "Grud on a Greenie" - a green what?
I've always taken a 'greenie' to be a cadet. No idea if that has any basis in the comic though.
Quote from: James Stacey on 26 July, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 July, 2016, 01:32:29 PM
I've often wondered about "Grud on a Greenie" - a green what?
I've always taken a 'greenie' to be a cadet. No idea if that has any basis in the comic though.
I remember Tharg giving this exact response some time in the '90s. It's a great 'Christ on a bike!' analogue.
Didn't we have Anderson use the longer "Grud on a green bicycle" at some point or did I imagine it?
Quote from: Dash Decent on 26 July, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
Didn't we have Anderson use the longer "Grud on a green bicycle" at some point or did I imagine it?
We'll only take your word on 'Dash Decent' recollections.
QuoteIt's a great 'Christ on a bike!' analogue.
Beat me to it!
Well how about that? For some reson I'd always just assumed that a "greenie" was...well...a bogie. I never thought to question what God (or Grud) would be doing on a bogie, though. Ever. :lol:
I'm partial to 'Jumped Up Jovus Grud!' myself.
'Grud on a Greenie' I've always considered 'God on a greenback'. As in, God's features have appeared on my dollar bill (as opposed to Washington or Nightingale). As in, more commonly, Jesus' face has appeared on this morning's toast (to my surprise).
It's tenuous, I'd be surprised if anyone else took this meaning, and I don't care.
Dredd works on so many levels.
Another doubt just sprung to my mind: I just finished reading " the Jesus Syndrome" storyline and realized that there are people still using the words "God" and "Jesus". Thus, are Grud and Jovus/Jovis to be considered "separate entities" from the Christian God?
Quote from: freedonadd on 26 July, 2016, 07:46:08 PM
Another doubt just sprung to my mind: I just finished reading " the Jesus Syndrome" storyline and realized that there are people still using the words "God" and "Jesus". Thus, are Grud and Jovus/Jovis to be considered "separate entities" from the Christian God?
Initially, I thought Grud and Jovus were examples of phonic slippage, where the pronunciation of words alter subtly over time.
Later, I decided they were probably a result of syncretism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism), blank new names intended to act as repositories for all the different and competing ideas of the many faiths of diverse peoples when
crammed into a single, unifying ideology - just as they were physically
crammed into a single city and forced to find some way to get along without ethnic tensions and holy wars
[1].
Then I got older and decided Wagner and Grant just thought the names sounded funny and were taking the piss
[2].
[1] This wouldn't rule out the coexistence of Christianity and a new, combined faith. Jews didn't stop being Jews just because Christians stole monotheism and their holy texts, just as Christianity didn't give up when Mohammed changed the name of the Christian/Jewish god to Allah and started dictating extra chapters for the Bible/Torah.
[2] Unbelievable as it might sound, taking the Lord's name in vain was still considered a bit racy for kids' comics in the late seventies/early eighties. So it was also a way of letting Dredd say Jesus-fucking-Christ! without angry parents cancelling their kid's order at the newsagent.
Quote from: Butch on 26 July, 2016, 08:23:57 PM
Quote from: freedonadd on 26 July, 2016, 07:46:08 PM
Another doubt just sprung to my mind: I just finished reading " the Jesus Syndrome" storyline and realized that there are people still using the words "God" and "Jesus". Thus, are Grud and Jovus/Jovis to be considered "separate entities" from the Christian God?
Initially, I thought Grud and Jovus were examples of phonic slippage, where the pronunciation of words alter subtly over time.
Later, I decided they were probably a result of syncretism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism), blank new names intended to act as repositories for all the different and competing ideas of the many faiths of diverse peoples when crammed into a single, unifying ideology - just as they were physically crammed into a single city and forced to find some way to get along without ethnic tensions and holy wars [1].
Then I got older and decided Wagner and Grant just thought the names sounded funny and were taking the piss [2].
[1] This wouldn't rule out the coexistence of Christianity and a new, combined faith. Jews didn't stop being Jews just because Christians stole monotheism and their holy texts, just as Christianity didn't give up when Mohammed changed the name of the Christian/Jewish god to Allah and started dictating extra chapters for the Bible/Torah.
[2] Unbelievable as it might sound, taking the Lord's name in vain was still considered a bit racy for kids' comics in the late seventies/early eighties. So it was also a way of letting Dredd say Jesus-fucking-Christ! without angry parents cancelling their kid's order at the newsagent.
Yeah I made sort of your same reasoning, the real life motive was censorship, but in - universe it is used as a "puppet/placeholder religion" to avoid religious contrast that takes after Christianity, instead of being actual Christianity with funny names (i just read some of the Psi division stories, and seen that crosses of Exorcist Judges have eagles on them, instead of a crucifix. Lol.)
I always thought Justice Department banned curse word in an attempt to curtail aggression and slurs in the population. And offered up Department approved replacements, that for whatever reason actually stuck after a few generations.
Any drops of 21st Century curses is just lax enforcement.
Quote from: Butch on 26 July, 2016, 08:23:57 PM
[1] This wouldn't rule out the coexistence of Christianity and a new, combined faith. Jews didn't stop being Jews just because Christians stole monotheism
Or possibly from Zoroastrianism...
Just to return to my original question (I know, I know, I'm annoying as hell. Be patient, please. ::) ) I poked around the Internet and...got even more confused, as I found out actual users use this "Jovis Drokk" expression, without it appearing to say frustration or at least anger as some of you suggested. I post a copy of the examples I found on the web (I had to copy and paste, since my phone doesen't allow me to attach screenshots. No comment.). Toughts and/ or suggestion on what could this bugging expression could mean in this contest?
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12th July 2013, 12:14. Jovis drokk! Now this I wasn't expecting. I'll be buying the first series of Gallifrey ...
"My goodness!"/"good heavens!"/"jings!"/"crivvens!"/"generic exclamation of surprise!"
Quote from: Modern Panther on 27 July, 2016, 05:47:24 PM
"My goodness!"/"good heavens!"/"jings!"/"crivvens!"/"generic exclamation of surprise!"
Uh. I expected something more...bombastic, I guess. Or maybe more vulgar, knowing the word drokk. That's...good anyway. Well...Jovis Drokk! :D
'Funt'. Why? :-X
Quote from: Fungus on 27 July, 2016, 06:34:42 PM
'Funt'. Why? :-X
Second best invented 2000AD swear word after 'sneak', IMO.
Not 'Funks'?
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 July, 2016, 06:40:36 PM
Second best invented 2000AD swear word after 'sneak', IMO.
SNECK.Fucking autocorrect.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 July, 2016, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 July, 2016, 06:40:36 PM
Second best invented 2000AD swear word after 'sneak', IMO.
SNECK.
Fucking autocorrect.
itym funting autocorrect...
I was always impressed by 'Stak!' from Ropgue Trooper, as it manages to sound both rude and foreign (it's what the Norts said on being dispatched by Rogue)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 July, 2016, 06:40:36 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 27 July, 2016, 06:34:42 PM
'Funt'. Why? :-X
Second best invented 2000AD swear word after 'sneck', IMO.
'Sneck': Yes. It sounds filthy and expressive, and is hugely versatile. (Mind you, the eff-word still exists in Stront-time - Cuss Weerd seems to say it a lot, and it's fairly clearly scrawled on a wall in The Final Solution.)
'Funt': No. Sorry; it's jarring and sounds like the kind of noise a steam-engine with a face might make.
'Spug' for me is up there with 'sneck'. It's perfect - sounds very dirty and will always be connected with acne-ridden Ron Smith delinquents in my mind.
Maestro John Smith also has his own line in future-swears: "Judas" (standard, but non-conventional usage, replacing 'Jesus') and "Skev" seem to be common.
I'm sure there's also been a "Shul" somewhere in toothy, but I don't know who came up with this.
So; a full list perhaps?
Funt
Sneck
Drokk
Grud (on or off a greenie)
Jovis (Jovis Drokk!)
Spug
Stomm
Bastich
Simp
Stak
Any more?
These join my favourites from other SF sources:
Feth (Fething, feth you, etc - From Dabnett's WH40k series)
Nass; Grife; Sprock (From Dabnett/lanning's Legion of Superheroes series)
Frack (of course, from BSG)
Kriff (Star Wars EU)
Gorram (Firefly)
Smeg (I know its not entirely fictituous word but in the ubiquitous way its used in Red Dwarf...)
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 28 July, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
So; a full list perhaps?
Funt
Sneck
Drokk
Grud (on or off a greenie)
Jovis (Jovis Drokk!)
Spug
Stomm
Bastich
Simp
Stak
we need these on a t-shirt asap.
There was also 'fux' and 'vug' from Dredd, 'vuck' from some Si Spurrier one from the early 2000s, 'funk' from Savage, 'truck' from Nemesis and 'snut' from (possibly Millar only) Robohunter.
Nobody said they all had to be GOOD swear words.
Not sure if I'd consider 'simp' a swear word - it's more a lifestyle choice.
Think 'shule' may have been Tyranny Rex.
EDIT: oh, and 'rekking' from Bad Company (early 2000s).
I see 'Simp' as a derogatory term that has been embraced by those it describes.
Like 'Fatties' and 'Ugly' (thanks to Mr Otto Sump), all things can be reinvented in the Big Meg.
Hootin' Heck!
Not offensive but a favourite.
Dok!
For those times a Drokk is too verbose.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking Spug tops them all. Aim to use it more often in polite conversation. And the T-shirt idea is a winner :)
Mills transformed 'truck' into a sort of stand-in profanity in Nemesis, starting off with Torque exhorting the citizenry to "have no truck with the vile deviant" but turning it around so that "vile truckers" became an insult.
Was 'slitch' used somewhere? Durham Red maybe? I took this to be a blend of 'slit' and 'bitch' and, therefore, quite unpleasant.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 28 July, 2016, 04:32:49 PM
'snut' from (possibly Millar only) Robohunter.
First appears in 'The Verdus Caper' as Kidd's favourite word - but it disappears so abruptly and completely I've always assumed someone told them to knock it off.
'Soth!' is a personal fave that I use a lot. Nothing really beats 'sneck', but I also enjoy 'sweet Jovus son of Mavis'.
And on that note 'Cheeses!', 'Serendipity city!' and 'total Chop party' from Halo Jones get regular rotation. See also 'glombie'.
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 28 July, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
So; a full list perhaps?
Funt
Sneck
Drokk
Grud (on or off a greenie)
Jovis (Jovis Drokk!)
Spug
Stomm
Bastich
Simp
Stak
Any more?
Quaequam blag!
Grexnix.
Cuss Weerd uses blat and scunnering before he settles on sneck.
Scunnering is common Scots and therefore 'real'.
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 28 July, 2016, 06:15:00 PM
Was 'slitch' used somewhere? Durham Red maybe? I took this to be a blend of 'slit' and 'bitch' and, therefore, quite unpleasant.
AFAIK this was exclusively used by Dave Stone in his excellent Brit-Cit-related stuff (mainly Armitage, of course, but other, related tales too). I took it to be a portmanteau of 'slut' and 'bitch', though it sounds worse than either.
This thread is why I love the tooth forum!
Still no love for skev?
I still remember the shock I felt when I discovered that Torquemada's favourite - dastard - is a real word.
Quote from: freedonadd on 27 July, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: Modern Panther on 27 July, 2016, 05:47:24 PM
"My goodness!"/"good heavens!"/"jings!"/"crivvens!"/"generic exclamation of surprise!"
Uh. I expected something more...bombastic, I guess. Or maybe more vulgar, knowing the word drokk. That's...good anyway. Well...Jovis Drokk! :D
I know this is all good fun but it's maybe worth reminding our new friend that there really isn't a rule for this sort of thing. It's just what the writer thinks sounds good and there's no point in trying to draw a direct parallel between current words.
On top of that, swearing is notoriously difficult to translate or do properly in another language. I'm sure we've all heard the cautionary tale of the Polish engineer who could never remember where to put his arsehole or when he needed fucking.
Quote from: Tordelback on 28 July, 2016, 06:26:33 PM
'Soth!' is a personal fave that I use a lot. Nothing really beats 'sneck', but I also enjoy 'sweet Jovus son of Mavis'.
Soth is good but, for some reason, I've always thought it was somebody's name. Like Conan's "Crom!" It definitely isn't though.
I don't much care for "haunching."
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 28 July, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
Frack (of course, from BSG)
Not so sure about that. I was playing this game in 1984.
(http://blog.retrogamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/frak.jpg)
Me too!
I've been waiting for a "No stomm, Sherlock!" to show up in one of the stories but I don't think anyone's done it yet.
Quote from: The Cosh on 29 July, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: Tordelback on 28 July, 2016, 06:26:33 PM
'Soth!' is a personal fave that I use a lot. Nothing really beats 'sneck', but I also enjoy 'sweet Jovus son of Mavis'.
Soth is good but, for some reason, I've always thought it was somebody's name. Like Conan's "Crom!" It definitely isn't though.
I don't much care for "haunching."
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 28 July, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
Frack (of course, from BSG)
Not so sure about that. I was playing this game in 1984.
(http://blog.retrogamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/frak.jpg)
Battlestar is from 1978. Granted then it was spelled 'Frack'.
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 28 July, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
These join my favourites from other SF sources:
Feth (Fething, feth you, etc - From Dabnett's WH40k series)
Nass; Grife; Sprock (From Dabnett/lanning's Legion of Superheroes series)
Frack (of course, from BSG)
Kriff (Star Wars EU)
Gorram (Firefly)
Smeg (I know its not entirely fictituous word but in the ubiquitous way its used in Red Dwarf...)
Frell and
Dren if you're a fan of puppets with Australian accents. I am.
Grife
Sprock
From Legion of Super-Heroes
Shock
From Marvel's 2099
Quote from: Fungus on 28 July, 2016, 07:35:08 PM
Scunnering is common Scots and therefore 'real'.
Hence 'The Scunner Campbell' in '80s telly programme, Supergran.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 28 July, 2016, 04:32:49 PM
There was also 'fux' and 'vug' from Dredd, 'vuck' from some Si Spurrier one from the early 2000s, 'funk' from Savage, 'truck' from Nemesis and 'snut' from (possibly Millar only) Robohunter.
Nobody said they all had to be GOOD swear words.
Not sure if I'd consider 'simp' a swear word - it's more a lifestyle choice.
I wouldn't include simp (but would include dok and snut - from the first couple of years of Tooth, as somebody else pointed out).
Quote from: The Cosh on 29 July, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: Tordelback on 28 July, 2016, 06:26:33 PM
'Soth!' is a personal fave that I use a lot. Nothing really beats 'sneck', but I also enjoy 'sweet Jovus son of Mavis'.
Soth is good but, for some reason, I've always thought it was somebody's name. Like Conan's "Crom!" It definitely isn't though.
Crom is somebody's name (well, Conan's god's name, anyway).
Quote from: sheridan on 01 August, 2016, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 29 July, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: Tordelback on 28 July, 2016, 06:26:33 PM
'Soth!' is a personal fave that I use a lot. Nothing really beats 'sneck', but I also enjoy 'sweet Jovus son of Mavis'.
Soth is good but, for some reason, I've always thought it was somebody's name. Like Conan's "Crom!" It definitely isn't though.
Crom is somebody's name (well, Conan's god's name, anyway).
That was my point. From is; Soth isn't.
I was just wondering if any of our Caledonian friends here could tell me whether when Middenface used to call people 'ba'heid', did he actually mean testicle-head? If so, it was a bit of a daring move for the prog of the 80s.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 01 August, 2016, 09:38:58 PM
I was just wondering if any of our Caledonian friends here could tell me whether when Middenface used to call people 'ba'heid', did he actually mean testicle-head? If so, it was a bit of a daring move for the prog of the 80s.
Good question. It's a pretty common word, but No more extreme than "eejit" so I'd guess it's just "ball".
See also: heid the ba'.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 29 July, 2016, 06:32:41 PM
Hence 'The Scunner Campbell' in '80s telly programme, Supergran.
And generally.
Quote from: The Cosh on 01 August, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 01 August, 2016, 09:38:58 PM
I was just wondering if any of our Caledonian friends here could tell me whether when Middenface used to call people 'ba'heid', did he actually mean testicle-head? If so, it was a bit of a daring move for the prog of the 80s.
Good question. It's a pretty common word, but No more extreme than "eejit" so I'd guess it's just "ball".
See also: heid the ba'.
Cheers, that's what I figured
I'd say he means "testicle-head".
As in "baw-bag" meaning... well, you can guess.
Ba'heid and ba'heided, (or ba'heidit), are commonly used the same way as bighead and bigheaded, so I think it's mainly a way of way of saying somebody's got an inflated ego.
I've only ever heard it used as an equivalent to dckhead. But, you live and learn. You're obviously posher than me.
Ah dinnae hink sae.
Definitely testicle-head.
Or my World-View needs updating .... :o Oh well.
So, the one lesson we can learn from this is that the Weegies are a lot less couth than the rest of us.
It means someone has a head filled with nothing but air, but it's morphed into an all purpose tool of abuse:
QuoteAdd Comb.: bawheid, also ba'-heid (http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/sndns171). A fool; also a more general term of contempt.
wm.Sc. 1983 William McIlvanney The Papers of Tony Veitch 222:
'Listen fuckin' bawheid,' Laidlaw said. 'I'm on serious business. I don't need the Chic Murray kit. You want to be a comedian, practise somewhere else.'
Edb. 1989 :
An as for you bawheid, just you be quiet!
em.Sc. 1992 Ian Rankin Strip Jack (1993) 154:
'Think I'd give Glenlivet to the ba'-heids I get in here? I'm a businessman, not the Samaritans. They look at the bottle, think they know what they're getting, and they're impressed. ... '
Arg. 1993 :
Whoot's ba-heid sayin noo?
Gsw. 1998 Glaswegian 22 Jan :
"Hey bawheid!" will not endear you to anyone, especially if it's the charge-hand you're talking you.
... it performs a similar function to bawjaws. Folk will try to convince you that's a homophobic term of abuse
(one who sucks cocks), but that's a case of meaning being assigned after the fact.
Quote from: Butch on 03 August, 2016, 09:22:22 AM
... it performs a similar function to bawjaws. Folk will try to convince you that's a homophobic term of abuse (one who sucks cocks), but that's a case of meaning being assigned after the fact.
Ha ha! That's one that both my mother and grandmother are fond of and I've never heard this etymology before. All of these seem to be examples of exactly the same problem the OP has: trying to make sense of an insult by breaking it down into its constituent parts.
Quote from: The Cosh on 29 July, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
Soth is good but, for some reason, I've always thought it was somebody's name. Like Conan's "Crom!" It definitely isn't though.
Soth is Old Norse for truth, don't know if it's supposed to mean the same in Slaine though. Crom is also a character in Slaine as well - big worm monster Crom-Cruach. I had the feeling that Crom was used as a swear in Slaine, too, but I might be misremembering Conan.
Quote from: morpheas on 28 July, 2016, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 28 July, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
So; a full list perhaps?
Funt
Sneck
Drokk
Grud (on or off a greenie)
Jovis (Jovis Drokk!)
Spug
Stomm
Bastich
Simp
Stak
we need these on a t-shirt asap.
One already is (see below), but I agree we need them all on a tee! (hint hint PR droid!!!)
http://www.invada.co.uk/products/drokk-geoff-barrow-ben-salisbury-inspired-by-mega-city-one-shirt
Quote from: Tordelback on 01 August, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 29 July, 2016, 06:32:41 PM
Hence 'The Scunner Campbell' in '80s telly programme, Supergran.
And generally.
:lol: Weeks later the penny drops.
What about 'bojemoi' and 'fuoco'? I have a feeling they're actual, real Russian words for something very bad indeed.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 29 August, 2016, 09:26:34 PM
What about 'bojemoi' and 'fuoco'? I have a feeling they're actual, real Russian words for something very bad indeed.
Bojemoi definitely a real one. It's basically 'Oh my God!'
Thanks! Bit tamer than I'd expected.
'Ferty slak', now, that's a good one. Generally i have a fair idea of the Irish-based dialect in Sláine, but I've no idea where this comes from.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 28 July, 2016, 09:02:17 AM
'Sneck': Yes. It sounds filthy and expressive, and is hugely versatile
... and has its origins in a long, hard object being rammed home into a welcoming hole:
sneck (http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/sneck) (snɛk )
noun
- Dialect (Scottish and Northern England): the latch or catch of a door or gate
- A small squared stone used in a rubble wall to fill spaces between stones
verb
- Dialect (Scottish and Northern England): to fasten (a latch)
I've heard sneck used for latch loads of times by older relatives, but never any indication of filthier alternative meanings.
Incidentally, here's a clegg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse-fly)...
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/MalcolmKirk/article-2173467-0CE8986B00000578-234_306x423_zpsxdaemwbz.jpg)