I've just finished reading the Romanov dynasty, I was so impressed with this story that I am going to get the rest. I understand that there is 11 GN's all together, and wiki explains the order to collect them in, however there are two GN's listed on ebay and amazon that are not listed on wiki. These two GN's are "to cool to kill" and "Love and war". Of the eleven stories, which stories do these two GN's cover. Thanks.
too cool to kill is a new release of the romanov dynasty
love and war (i think) is a new release of the 3rd book the courtship of princess jena markarov. if you are collecting from the start its better to get those two better covers
Yes, for I assume marketing reasons, Romanov Dynasty and Courtship got renamed with reprinting. Courtship was out of print for a while and was going for insane prices for a bit.
Romanov Dynasty and Great Game were released by DC originally, then Rebellion started doing it on their own with Courtship and continuing until series conclusion.
Rebellion then latter struck a deal with Simon and Shuster, who, I believe, are the ones who released Too Ccol, Great Game, and Love and War. Which is why they got new names/covers/trade dress/spines.
Several of the books are out of print currently. A nice new series of omnibus collections would be just the thing, I'd have thought.
I feel that the dante series may have benefitted from book numbering because i find it a bit confusing with the different prints and repackaging. Id love to see an omnibus edition or series of hardbacks though.
I am currently reading the Courtship of Jena Makarov which I borrowed from my local library.
One thing occurred to me this week. Shouldn't her name be Makarova rather than Makarov?
Also, I might have missed it, but Tsar Vladimir doesn't ever seem to be referred to as Makarov, but presumably that is his name given he is her father.
So courtship was renamed love and war? and that's the third book? with great game following straight after Romanov dynasty?
Of the eleven books, it looks like the tsar wars volume one and two, and sword of the tsar are the ones that are out of print and pretty impossible to get a hold of. I may have a bit of a nightmare on my hands trying to get this full collection. Drokk!
Quote from: Magnetica on 04 June, 2017, 08:33:21 AM
I am currently reading the Courtship of Jena Makarov which I borrowed from my local library.
One thing occurred to me this week. Shouldn't her name be Makarova rather than Makarov?
Also, I might have missed it, but Tsar Vladimir doesn't ever seem to be referred to as Makarov, but presumably that is his name given he is her father.
It's not usual to refer to dynastic rulers by their full names - when was the last time you heard someone talk about Elizabeth Windsor? Then again, nobody talks about Charles Windsor either...
Too Cool To Kill also omits a lot of the commentary balloons (the 'historical' references), doesn't it?
Quote from: sheridan on 04 June, 2017, 12:22:22 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 04 June, 2017, 08:33:21 AM
I am currently reading the Courtship of Jena Makarov which I borrowed from my local library.
One thing occurred to me this week. Shouldn't her name be Makarova rather than Makarov?
Also, I might have missed it, but Tsar Vladimir doesn't ever seem to be referred to as Makarov, but presumably that is his name given he is her father.
It's not usual to refer to dynastic rulers by their full names - when was the last time you heard someone talk about Elizabeth Windsor? Then again, nobody talks about Charles Windsor either...
Ok fair enough on Vladimir. Still not sure about Jena and the Makarov v Makarova ( as in "a" ending for daughter of).
Quote from: Mute77 on 04 June, 2017, 08:18:41 AM
I feel that the dante series may have benefitted from book numbering because i find it a bit confusing with the different prints and repackaging. Id love to see an omnibus edition or series of hardbacks though.
I don't know about the S&S editions, but the DC And Rebellion volumes all have spine numberings.
I also just read "To Cool to Kill" and very much enjoyed it but must confess to finding the idea of 10 more a bit daunting. Also though, what was with the Charlie Adlard section? It looked like a photocopy of a photocopy...
Annoyingly, the edition that takes us through to the end (the numbered purple spines) is currently only available from vol 6 (Hell and High Water) onwards, and the latest reprint (with character pics on the spines) seems to have stalled at vol 3 (Love and War), meaning both Tsar Wars volumes (4 and 5) are out of print. I eventually located vol 5 in a comic shop after much searching online, but vol 4 has eluded me - I finally cracked and bought the digital version, as my reread had been thwarted for months by then.
The whole saga is ripe for a reprint in mega volumes, grouped a bit more sensibly than they have this far:
1. Up to the outbreak of war
2. The war
3. Pirate Dante
4. In the employ of the Tsar
5. The revolutions (both of them) and conclusion
A modern masterpiece that deserves to be collected as deluxe hardbacks.I would buy them all in the morning.
I've been interested in them for a year or so. The out of print status of some of the books has kept me from checking them out.
Quote from: Zenith 666 on 08 June, 2017, 11:32:42 PM
A modern masterpiece that deserves to be collected as deluxe hardbacks.I would buy them all in the morning.
Its been said before and it'll be said again this is defo the way I'd like things to go. Alas it seems however hard Rebellion try Dante just doesn't seem to find the market it deserves?
I think it was Radiatior (apologies if I've got that wrong) who worked out some great examples of what would be included in a 5 or 6 volume delux collected series, it wasn't too dissimliar to what Southstreeter suggests. Man it would be fantastic.
I am currently doing a re-read using what I could borrow from my local library and buy from Tharg's future shop. However I am about to hit a patch where the necessary books aren't available starting from Tsar Wars vol 2.
Digital doesn't suit so it looks like I will have to dig out the back Progs, which is a massive task. Also I read somewhere recently (TPO IIRC) that Tharg ( Andy Diggle?) changed some of the dialogue in the Progs and it has been changed back in the GN ( for Tsar Wars).
So yes a re-printing would be great.
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 June, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
So yes a re-printing would be great.
With the historical captions.
But yes, deluxe hardback or bogpaper casefiles Dante, either way sign me up: I've been picking up trades secondhand and what an incomplete mongrel hodge-podge I've ended up with. It is a shame that one of 2000AD's greatest stories doesn't seem to sell.
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 June, 2017, 10:57:36 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 June, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
So yes a re-printing would be great.
With the historical captions.
I am a little confused about the historical captions. I read somewhere the TPBs don't include them, but the ones I have do have at least
some of them.
I haven't compared them to the Progs, so it could be they have been scaled back a bit.
Can anyone clarify the situation?
I've just managed to pick up Tsar wars volume 2 on ebay today for seven pounds fifty, it is an ex library copy, but screw it. I missed the sword of the tsar the other day that went for fifteen pounds, I could have shot myself! I've only read the Romanov dynasty and devil may care so far. The great game is on it's way in the post. I am determined to read this entire series, but tsar wars v1 and sword of tsar might have to be a kindle job.
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 June, 2017, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 June, 2017, 10:57:36 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 June, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
So yes a re-printing would be great.
With the historical captions.
I am a little confused about the historical captions. I read somewhere the TPBs don't include them, but the ones I have do have at least some of them.
I haven't compared them to the Progs, so it could be they have been scaled back a bit.
Can anyone clarify the situation?
Older editions do include the text. Newer editions of the early volumes don't. I think this started with the first S&S edition for the Yanks.
I think some of the later Rebellion volumes also omit this text but I'm not 100% sure.
Ok yes understand...my copy of Too Cool to Kill which I bought last year omits then, some of the volumes I have from the library include them.
But what I also don't understand is, why omit them? To me there were an integral part of the feel of Nikolai Dante - similar to the opening spiel about Downlode you get in an episode of Sinister Dexter.
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 June, 2017, 11:25:32 AM
But what I also don't understand is, why omit them? To me there were an integral part of the feel of Nikolai Dante - similar to the opening spiel about Downlode you get in an episode of Sinister Dexter.
That's the million groat question. I might be getting things muddled here but it started around the same time as they started to remove the "Next Prog" and episode recap boxes from other reprints. Personally, I'd rather have all of that but I can just about accept the logic that it's about removing elements which might break the flow of the story for a new reader.
With Dante it's incomprehensible. As you say, all those little quotes gradually build up to add something to the world of the strip and to indulge the writer's desire to reference every book he's ever read!
I vaguely recall at the time it was a decision designed to increase the strip's likelihood of success in the US (rather than an error, like when a load of Devlin Waugh balloons are omitted).
I would buy the books if I could aford them I got the Torrent instead.
LW
Quote from: lwhitehead on 24 June, 2017, 10:22:46 PM
I would buy the books if I could aford them I got the Torrent instead.
LW
The discussion of piracy is not allowed on this forum, at all. The fact you can't afford them is no justification.
Quote from: 500 on 26 June, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
Quote from: lwhitehead on 24 June, 2017, 10:22:46 PM
I would buy the books if I could aford them I got the Torrent instead.
LW
The discussion of piracy is not allowed on this forum, at all. That fact you can't afford them is no justification.
S'right.
Stealing from Tharg*, not on man.
That said, new editions of a complete Nikolai Dante would be a must-buy. Get on it, green-bonce!
*and his droids, of course. Oil ain't free!
I would buy them if I could,
LW
I see Ms. Makarova has just been playing on court 3 at Wimbledon. ;)