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Title: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Keef Monkey on 02 May, 2006, 08:43:19 PM
This is probably a dumb question but I'm not hugely technically minded! Just discovered my tv supports 60Hz NTSC, so was wondering with games like Rogue Trooper that give you the option to use this, which is actually better?
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: longmanshort on 02 May, 2006, 09:08:09 PM
Well, if it Hz then stop picking at it!


;)
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Keef Monkey on 02 May, 2006, 09:33:36 PM
Technically none the wiser, but that did make me laugh!
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Woolly on 02 May, 2006, 09:35:01 PM
60Hz runs at a speed of 30 frames per second, thus resulting in a smoother game.

50Hz runs at 25 frames per second, but uses more lines on your tv set to give a brighter, better defined picture.

My advice is to try them both. Personally i prefer 60Hz, but the gaming experience should be pretty much the same either way.

Hope this helps, dude!
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Keef Monkey on 02 May, 2006, 09:48:07 PM
Cheers!
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Pyroxian on 02 May, 2006, 09:59:34 PM
PAL 60hz looks better than 50hz, and the game should run smoother (60 frames per second instead of 50).

Most games should play the same whether in 50 or 60hz though.

   Steve
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Max Kon on 03 May, 2006, 01:26:45 AM
50hz is likely to cause epileptic seizures, while 60hz is not.

60hz is the American standard
50hz is the UK standard
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: VampiraJen on 03 May, 2006, 02:37:42 AM
you know, sometimes my not ancient but not cutting edge telly will play in 60, sometimes it wont, depending on the game.   i have to be honest and say i couldn't see a difference.  i tend not to notice things like frame rate.





btw, what does 'tilt' mean.  cos i've noticed that's part of the rating on gamespot, and i have no idea what it means...
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: philt on 03 May, 2006, 02:47:03 AM
Tilt? I know that on NTSC TV's with all their 60 Hz 525 line blurriness there is a tint control which allows you to adjust the TV colour as believe it or not the NTSC picture hue is influenced by the angle of the recieving aerial from the transmitter or even what the weather is like. Ah the joys of 1950's technology
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Keef Monkey on 03 May, 2006, 07:45:24 AM
Well, going with the 60hz and it does seem a little smoother, although my mind could be playing tricks on me. Thanks to all for the advice, I guess you do learn something new every day!
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Radbacker on 03 May, 2006, 09:33:24 AM
I reckon its easy to tell the diff, cant stand palying any games on 50Hz any more, just seems that bit too slow and out of synch.
Now lets get really confusing, whats the difference between 1080i & 1080p, 780i & 780p High Definition displays(I really would like to know as High def confuses the crap out of me and I need to upgrade for my 360)

CU Radbacker
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: test 4 echo on 03 May, 2006, 03:57:43 PM
Need to upgrade?

Remember the good old days when you just plugged the console in and laughed at the PC gamers having to upgrade the graphics card to play the new games...have they ended already? Now console gamers have to upgrade the TV.

Jen - I think the "Tilt" on gamespot is just an option for the reviewer to say if they enjoyed the game, pretty sure I read it somewhere but can't be 100%.
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Radbacker on 03 May, 2006, 04:12:54 PM
to be fair you dont have to upgrade your T.V but if you wanna get the most out of the new consoles(xbox360 and ps3) you should heve a swanky new high def T.V, its just that there is no base standard for hIGH dEF t.v'S i dont know which way to go?
Of course if its just a NinWii you can use current def T.V's

CU rADBACKER
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Dan Kelly on 03 May, 2006, 05:44:31 PM
1080/780 are the number of lines that are available for the unit to scan.  More is obviously better

the i/p stand for interlace/progressive and relates to the way the changes are made to the picture.

Progressive Scan is apparantly better than Interlace, so the top end HD screens must be able to do 1080p in order to qualify.  XBox only goes to a max of 1080i output.  PS3 claims to do 1080p.
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Keef Monkey on 03 May, 2006, 07:41:59 PM
The plot has thickened: if I play on 60hz then it is smoother but the bottom of the picture gets cut off whatever zoom setting I put the telly on. Probably just being an idiot so I'm gonna go and press a few buttons to see what happens.
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 03 May, 2006, 08:06:14 PM
"50hz is likely to cause epileptic seizures, while 60hz is not."

Ah ... being something of a console novice, this might explain the sudden and quite overwhelming feeling of travel-sickness I developed whilst playing Black for the first time and leaving it on the default 50Hz setting ...

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Satanist on 03 May, 2006, 08:30:49 PM
Doesn't the whole 60Hz better thing rely on a decent scart lead? I'm no expert but I'm sure if you're using what came out the box then its not going to get much better.

Personally I'm just happy to squeeze in a couple of hours of Resi 4 a week. Seriously it could be in black & white and I'd be happy.
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Keef Monkey on 03 May, 2006, 10:16:17 PM
Funnily enough it's actually Resi 4 that set me off on this, because it had that test thing at the start. I hadn't realised I could watch NTSC until then. Having trouble getting into the game though, keep going back to Rogue to be honest. I find the Resi 4 over the shoulder viewpoint a little odd. Will persevere though because I've heard ridiculously good things about it.
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Satanist on 03 May, 2006, 10:28:33 PM
I know what you mean about Resi 4. I've had it for over a year now and just started getting back into it. I'm about 8 hours in and it is well worth persevering with.
Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: philt on 04 May, 2006, 03:43:15 AM
++Doesn't the whole 60Hz better thing rely on a decent scart lead?++

Not really. Most modern TV's will play back the 60hz 525 line NTSC quite happily. They can adjust automatically to the signal that the console produces - however as the signal is a psuedo PAL signal running at 60hz rather than 50hz older sets cannot cope and throw a wobbler

Of course the interesting thing is that although the frame rate is higher on a NTSC signal as you are playing it back on a PAL set designed to display a 625 line picture the NTSC image has to be adjusted to fit. The smoothness that many report is actually the softness that results when a TV stretches a 525 line picture to fit a 625 line set.

The only way you'll get the (debatable) benefits  of a 60hz is by investing in a proper mulit-standard TV which can cope with an pure NTSC signal. But you have to remember that the resolution of this image won't be as high as a PAL image

Title: Re: 50Hz vs 60Hz?
Post by: Max Kon on 04 May, 2006, 04:19:58 AM
"50hz is likely to cause epileptic seizures, while 60hz is not."

Ah ... being something of a console novice, this might explain the sudden and quite overwhelming feeling of travel-sickness I developed whilst playing Black for the first time and leaving it on the default 50Hz setting ...

Cheers

Jim

yup, that's exactly why. i used to get really ill when i was on the computer too long, but once i'd changed it to 120hz it stopped. It's been 3 years and i've yet to get that feeling again from my computer.