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Title: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: abc warrior on 10 June, 2006, 02:37:59 AM

The "great" John Byrne on Alan Moore and Brits.

What a twat !
Nihilistic whiners, indeed.

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Post by: Art on 10 June, 2006, 02:46:41 AM

I have some very fond memories of MarvelMan, from when I was a child in England. I don't suppose I read more than a small handful of stories, but I remember enjoying them. It's a shame, then, to see characters like this fall into the hands of the deconstructionists -- especially someone like Moore, who seems to really have no story to tell beyond "everything you know is a lie".

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Post by: Jim_Campbell on 10 June, 2006, 02:47:22 AM

I'm sorry ... is this the same John Byrne who ret-conned Grant Morrison's entire glorious run of Doom Patrol out of DC continuity, replacing it with a series so dull [1] that it got cancelled in short order?

Cheers

Jim

[1] Apparently. I wouldn't have (and didn't) touch the thing with a barge-pole.

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Post by: Art on 10 June, 2006, 02:49:42 AM

I'm not familiar with Brynes work, but I se e that he gets regularly mocked as a nutcase on the V forum.

Also I have a vague idea that he's responsible for giving superman a mullet in the 90s.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 10 June, 2006, 03:22:47 AM

>Something happened to England after I left. The people who had fought thru the Blitz, survied Dunkirk, produced Shakespeare, carved an empire upon which the sun never set --- morphed into a nation of nihilistic whiners. "Fascist England", a term that could be coined only by someone who had never personally experienced Fascism.

>What the %#^# happened?

Come back Byrne, we need you!!!

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Post by: Art on 10 June, 2006, 03:25:54 AM

Cross posted the to "Bryne - the Living Planet" thread on the V...

Link: http://www.thevhive.com/forum/index.php?webtag=THE

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Post by: Art on 10 June, 2006, 03:28:29 AM

And from of his mates: "England, has now been thoroughly destroyed. Culturaly. Demographically. Even the Union Jack is considered "Racist" these days. The London mayor is straight up Marxist Communist. The major last sculpture put in there was a giant pebble. I really can not fathom more insane a diametrically opposed political switch than the one from the Tatcher years, and the current Tony Blair years. "

Remember: true Brits live in the South of France and return only on election years to vite BNP.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 10 June, 2006, 03:28:39 AM

Jesus... reading down the thread, he's REALLY got it in for Moore... it looks horrifically like jealousy

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 10 June, 2006, 03:38:07 AM

>I do wonder how an amazing woman like Tatcher survives witnessing her country being turn to shreds, piece by piece, by anarchic nihilists every single day... sweet lord.

On first reading I had assumed he was taking the piss... but looking at it again I'm coming round to thinking he may be serious...

Bloody ex-pats!

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Post by: nxylas on 10 June, 2006, 03:51:18 AM

>Bloody ex-pats!

Oy, watch it!

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Post by: Art on 10 June, 2006, 03:53:39 AM

TBH I do have a tendancy to encounter ex-pats who've been abroad a long time and think "Wow, I hope I don't end up like you". Theres a sort of weird, preserved-in-time quality to them when it comes to anything UK-related.

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Post by: The Amstor Computer on 10 June, 2006, 03:55:45 AM

Well, having had the dubious pleasure of reading plenty of Byrne's online rants and some of his recent work, I'd be upset if he thought modern Britain was a country that shared his "values"...

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Post by: Matt Timson on 10 June, 2006, 03:57:19 AM

I used to love John Byrne's stuff as a kid- especially his run on the Fantastic Four- but when did he go all Bob Layton?

I just can't understand people like that- I really can't. 'Jealousy' would be my best bet too...

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Post by: GordonR on 10 June, 2006, 04:10:11 AM

"I'm sorry ... is this the same John Byrne who ret-conned Grant Morrison's entire glorious run of Doom Patrol out of DC continuity, replacing it with a series so dull [1] that it got cancelled in short order?"

Yes, but you're missing the point, Jim. What Byrne was doing was returning the series to its CORE CONCEPT (he bangs on a lot about this in that thread), something which we Evil Brits seem to take great delight in twisting and destroying to suit our usual Perfidious Albion natures.

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Post by: Wils on 10 June, 2006, 04:16:19 AM

Wasn't it Byrne who was slating the Fantastic Four film purely on the fact that it had a latino woman with blonde hair [gasp] playing Sue Storm?

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Post by: The Amstor Computer on 10 June, 2006, 04:18:04 AM

Pretty much - though I believe his complaint was more that "latino women with blonde hair look like whores"...

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Post by: Matt Timson on 10 June, 2006, 04:19:10 AM

Yeah, but come on Wils- she looked 'trashy'. The mighty Byrne (who never missed an opportunity to put Sue Storm or Jean Grey in bondage gear) said so. So it must be true.

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Post by: Wils on 10 June, 2006, 04:25:31 AM

He really is a hateful twat, isn't he? Even the way he replies to his own fucking *fans* on his forum is beyond reproach and amplifies The Hate in me, wanting to stab him in the face repeatedly with a crow quill pen. Cock-end.

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Post by: Art on 10 June, 2006, 05:31:26 AM

Wow, apparently the UK is now a post-apocalyptic wasteland...

"I'm 42 years old this year, and this country has become so ugly in the last 20 years I can barely recognise it."

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Post by: Jim_Campbell on 11 June, 2006, 03:31:29 AM

"What Byrne was doing was returning the series to its CORE CONCEPT "

Oh ... right! _Now_ I get it ... the original Doom Patrol was an obscure book which didn't sell very well and which almost no-one remembers.

Yep ... Byrne sure nailed that one with his version.

Cheers!

Jim

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Post by: The Adventurer on 11 June, 2006, 04:06:14 AM

John Byrne is a giant douche bag.

Film at 11!

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 11 June, 2006, 05:38:50 AM

I think it was Dan Jurgens who mulleted Superman.

As for Byrne it all seems a shame. He was involved in some GREAT super hero comics but today. Did you know he drew the recent Elseworld grpahic novel written John Cleese. Cleese felt a bit adrift writing a comic so got a co-writer involved who knew Superman and knew the medium. I forget who it was - Ellist S Maggin? One of those names old time D.C. readers will recognise. Always a good sign as most of the best Cleese material is co-written. Anyway apparantly they wrote a script that was very funny, used the medium well, and justified it's Elseworldlyness with an interesting concept.

And then someone hired John Byrne. He recieved the script and apprantly thought it disrespectful to Superman, too funny, and not good enough. He rw-wrote the script and turned in art that so varied from the scripts that they could either go with his reworking or start from scratch. They went with the cheap option. No one seems to have enjoyed the comic very much.

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Post by: abc warrior on 11 June, 2006, 03:02:35 PM

I'll let Peter David have the last word :

The Comedy Stylings of John Byrne

So over on the Byrne board there's a lengthy thread about the Hulk which consists, for the most part, of bashing my work on the title because, well, it's the Byrne board, so it's SOP. But what really fractured me was the following comment from John:

"Once upon a time, when a writer wanted to "do something different" s/he left the character/title being worked on, handing it over to someone who wanted to continue with the established motifs. Some time around 25 years ago this started to change. Writers like Claremont and David, as well as others, began changing the books/characters to suit their interests of the moment....It's the same old song -- the characters being made to serve the needs of the talent, instead of the talent serving the needs of the characters."

You just have to love that from the guy who, before my run on the title, was handed a character who was unmarried and transformed into a monster when he got angry, and over the course of the run he split the character in two, separating them into two individual beings, thus eliminating a dynamic that had been in place for a quarter of a century, married off the hero, and basically wrote a series of stories that were indistinguishable from "Godzilla"--dedicated scientist and his group of equally dedicated followers pursues a furious green monster he's accidentally unleashed upon the world. Stories that, in short, had nothing to do with the Hulk.

And that's not even counting what the master of lip service to authorial intent did to the Vision, turning him white and unemotional when the original Vision was neither.

That John Byrne. What a crack up.

PAD

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 11 June, 2006, 06:10:44 PM

there's a sanctimonious little note from JB to the effect that if you like Moore, that's your choice (you fool) but that you shouldn't represent it as something it's not

wouldn't saying that Moore's only story is 'everything you know is a lie' fall under that heading?

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Post by: soggy on 11 June, 2006, 07:22:51 PM

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So was it Byrne that created the ending where the hero was driven out of england in the end

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Post by: Bico on 11 June, 2006, 07:47:48 PM

It could be argued that Byrne attempted much the same thing with Superman - the original character was a nerdy, clumsy Clark Kent and a heroic know-all Superman, yet Byrne transformed the character and settings. Kent was a babe magnet, his parents were alive, Superman was vastly depowered, Lex Luthor was a billionaire businessman, Batman and Superman didn't get on, Lois Lane was a kung-fu-kicking army brat, Bizarro was a clone of Superman (rather than an alien), and that's before we get to Byrne's recurring 'themes', like the cigar-chomping, crew-cut, jack-booted lesbian police captain Maggie Sawyer.
I'm personally of the opinion that Byrne is bitter that Moore's Whatever Happened to the Man of Tommorrow appeared at the same time as Byrne's Man Of Steel miniseries, yet we all know which is considered the true milestone in Superman mythology and possibly even in comics storytelling. Moore had a respect for the silly age of comics storytelling that he updated without attempting to retcon out of existence, whilst Byrne is king of retcon revisionism. Man of Steel dismissed all the 'silly' stuff from the Superman mythos altogether, and the less said about Byrne's Spiderman retcon monstrosity the better.
'Hypocritical' doesn't cover the half of Byrne's problems, but then Moore-bashing is a favoured sport at the moment among writers. I'd be more worried about JB's assertion that Jessica Alba wasn't going to be a good Susan Storm (this was before he'd seen the film) because latino women with blonde hair look like whores.

Strange man.

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Post by: Funt Solo on 11 June, 2006, 08:04:35 PM

I've heard of Alan Moore, but this is the first time I've heard of John Byrne, who sounds like an insufferable cock.

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Post by: Art on 11 June, 2006, 11:33:23 PM

I really feel bad for how much more widespread the tabloid press is in the U.K. Here in the States, it's really kind of annoying and harmless but doesn't really do any lasting damage to anyone. (At least not lately.) The National Enquirer really isn't taken seriously by the majority of Americans.

In the U.K., the tabloid press killed Princess Diana.

Oh noes! The PRINCESS!

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Post by: Wils on 11 June, 2006, 11:35:33 PM

But what does Diana score on the Byrne Whore-o-Meter?

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Post by: Pete Wells on 12 June, 2006, 03:38:08 AM

John Byrne wrote a Dredd arc for the DC Legends of the Law series if I remember correctly. In the story he had Dredd shoot Judge Morphy (of all people!) through the head to make him appear to be a bad guy. Unforgivable.

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Post by: W. R. Logan on 12 June, 2006, 05:04:53 AM

LEGENDS OF THE LAW 8 - 10

Link: Legends Of The Law

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Post by: Art on 12 June, 2006, 06:08:45 AM

That far-right cover pretty much sums up everything wrong about 90s Dredd.

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Post by: Trout on 12 June, 2006, 06:30:11 AM

What an absolute cock-smoking git.

IIRC, Byrne was responsible for When JLA Went Shit, as well as When Doom Patrol was Unreadable and Genesis: The Worst Multi-Hero Event In DC History.

As a story-teller, he's not fit to lick Alan Moore's tangled-but-very-special beard.

Oh, and I thought Superman's mullet was great, especially as nobody noticed Clark Kent grew a ponytail at the same time.

Heh, heh, heh.

- Trout

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 June, 2006, 07:42:02 AM

Mig da Silva has outshone anything that Byrne will ever say on that thread with his 'lefties want to abort me' cry for help.

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Post by: Art on 12 June, 2006, 09:28:50 AM

Dear god, Bruntys wandered into the middle of them... it's like watching a man walk unarmed into horde of ravenous zombies.

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Post by: Grant Goggans on 12 June, 2006, 10:03:43 AM

*notices spectacular explosion on the eastern horizon... yes, that's Portugal... You're starting a battle of wits with an unarmed man, there, Brunt.

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 12 June, 2006, 01:23:00 PM

Go Brunt go!

The thread has descended into right-wing silliness and seems to have left off misrepresenting Byrne

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Post by: Funt Solo on 12 June, 2006, 08:05:48 PM

John Byrne, on his obsidian throne, talking to his street team, yesterday:

"A first for the JBF! A use of "actually" that is correct, but still manages to be wrong contextually!"

Pedantic, condescending and unhelpful. He could at least elaborate on what the correct use of "actually" is, thus sharing his enormous knowledge with the less fortunate.

"You do understand what terms like "core concept" mean, don't you?"

It was at this point I wondered why anyone goes to the John Byrne forum - does he pay them to be ritually abused by his egomania?

"what did I find? Naked sex scenes"

Oddly, this is a complaint. Oh dear, patronising and a prude.

---

In summary: avoid the right-wing ramblings of Byrne and his street team, lest you suffer the ignomy of having a whining tart sratch at your consciousness.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 12 June, 2006, 08:26:28 PM

I'm so tempted to post "Mig De Silva do you nakid sex in front of pictures of Ann Coulter?" but I don't think it will help...

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 12 June, 2006, 08:37:39 PM

besides, there are some things it's better not to know....

I noticed that pompous little post about 'actually' too. I think there's no such thing as a word that's correct but wrong contextually, but as funt said, we will never know.

Here's a competition idea; can you find the most obsequious post from one of the street team? My prize is to the guy who had a dream inspired by reading Watchmen and thinking (loyally) "JB* would really hate this"

*his fans call him JB apparently

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Post by: Funt Solo on 12 June, 2006, 08:58:18 PM

:: I'm so tempted to post "Mig De Silva do you nakid sex in front of pictures of Ann Coulter?" but I don't think it will help...

Based on the huge Rules of Conduct section, you'd just be deleted and chucked out the door if you did that. It basically says "You must not disagree with John Byrne", which is, of course, a perfectly open and fair way to run a forum (in which the protagonist is idolised and has managed to construct a sort of ego-massaging centre for himself amidst the hustle and bustle of a balanced perception of self).

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Post by: Art on 12 June, 2006, 09:37:05 PM

...and it probably explains why the remaining people are a bit weird.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 12 June, 2006, 10:19:41 PM

>You must not disagree with John Byrne", which is, of course, a perfectly open and fair way to run a forum (in which the protagonist is idolised and has managed to construct a sort of ego-massaging centre for himself amidst the hustle and bustle of a balanced perception of self).

But that's the only way to run a smugfest!

And on the other note I think it's a misunderstanding of what the word 'contextually' actually means... which is amusing

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Post by: Funt Solo on 12 June, 2006, 11:00:18 PM

I've had this great idea for a new superhero comic: basically, the good guy is Alan Moore, a comic writer by day and a, like, wizardy dude at night, fighting the evil forces that threaten to take over, erm, Northampton.

His arch-villain is Egomaniac (you guessed it, Byrne), who is granted special strength by sucking the will to live from people with fragile self esteem. His uber-plan is to recreate the British Empire of old by taking over foreign territory, subjugating the locals and, y'know, pissing on people.

Anyone up for drawing this?

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 13 June, 2006, 07:48:23 AM

why that's unfair funt. What the Rules of Conduct say is that you mustn't just post in order to 'make trouble' and that you must be a John Byrne fan. Anything else is fine and the bloke who says that having black students gives teachers nightmares is in no danger of being kicked out

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Post by: GordonR on 13 June, 2006, 02:55:22 PM

Those Rules of Conduct are great:

You must not speak to JB unless he speaks to you first.

You must never ask him a question that tries to second-guess his answer.

When JB enters the room, you must avert your gaze, lest the aura of his divine majesty sears you to your very soul.

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Post by: Wils on 13 June, 2006, 03:24:17 PM

Personally, I think either you or David posting a link to this thread on the Byrne Ego-board would do wonders for that particular conversation. ;)

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Post by: auxlen on 13 June, 2006, 03:54:23 PM

Seriously, who is John Byrne? And why is he so bitter? Is it like the critic thing where you will only be taken seriously if you say everything is shite?

Also, there was a thread about these forums recently...well, compared to thevhive this place is heaven. The rules alone make me not even want to waste my cache on it.

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Post by: Mr C on 13 June, 2006, 06:01:34 PM

Wow. Talk about an arseholierthanthousole!

It really does seem like he's pissed off that Alan Moore is more famous and well regarded than he is.

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Post by: Grant Goggans on 13 June, 2006, 06:14:14 PM

Byrne's a superhero artist who drew X-Men in the early 80s and Fantastic Four in the mid-80s and has been subject to the law of diminishing returns ever since. He was behind DC's revamp of Superman in 1987 to make him less powerful. His books, which have recently included a revamped Doom Patrol and a revamped Demon, sell poorly, leading his fanbase to conclude there is a mammoth conspiracy among retailers to underorder his books.

"Madman" Mike O'Brien, writing on Peter David's forum last month:

"Despite JBs best-selling novels, there are a lot of people in charge of ordering books at bookshops, who, not unlike yourself, have an agenda against the man and his work. They refuse to place orders, and suddenly, not so surprisingly, there is the illusion of a lack of demand. This is a hallmark of the comic shop owners who wish to see him fail."

I know we all write letters to an alien editor to discuss the work of script and art robots, but Byrne's fans, now, they don't like reality much.

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Post by: Matt Timson on 13 June, 2006, 06:16:12 PM

It's all I can do to stop myself going over there and pointing out all the revisionist work that Byrne's ever done. He's even guilty of more than a couple "everything you know is a lie" stories as well.

Of course, they're not nearly as good as Moores, but then I suspect that's where the real problem lies.

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 13 June, 2006, 07:04:17 PM

I must admit, I just glanced at the Rules of Conduct. Shame on me, I should have burned them into my very soul, or at least remembered every word.

Here's a nice, batsy one which will delight fans of Orwell's 1984

If your post is deleted, it is deleted for a reason. The reason is probably such that posting to ask why your post was deleted will only succeed in getting that post deleted. Check these Rules Of Conduct for some general ideas of why posts are deleted. In specific, you will simply have to accept that one of the JBF Moderators has decided your post is inappropriate, and that's the end of that discussion

Where was JB the grammar pedant when they were writing 'in specific'?

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 13 June, 2006, 07:15:26 PM

Having just seen Hero I now imagine Byrne sat on a big throne and allowing no-one within a hundred paces of him...

I'd love to seen a team-up between him and Fatty Mitchell.

I was looking at forum the other day and it's sole rules of conduct were 'Don't be an ass...'

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 13 June, 2006, 07:31:14 PM

That site's brilliant... I love the page filled with just photos of the great man!

Link: An ego larger than mortal man can fathom...

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Post by: Dunk! on 13 June, 2006, 08:05:58 PM

Well his teeth are still british.

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Post by: Al_Ewing on 13 June, 2006, 08:26:08 PM

That reminds me, I have to get a new dentist. That was like staring into a future mirror.

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Post by: Wils on 13 June, 2006, 08:41:37 PM

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Post by: Mr C on 13 June, 2006, 08:44:17 PM

How did I know as soon as I saw those photo strips on that site that you'd do something like that? :-)

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Post by: GordonR on 13 June, 2006, 09:07:43 PM

Oh dear. That's really rather amusing.

I don't think you're respecting the CORE CONCEPT of the character there, though, Wils.

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Post by: abc warrior on 13 June, 2006, 09:59:34 PM

Byrne, racist ?

Link: Byrne that cross

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 13 June, 2006, 10:01:09 PM

John Byrne is responsible for the death of Proncess Diana. Says so in his F.A.Q.

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Post by: Mr C on 13 June, 2006, 10:35:25 PM

Oh dear lord.

I've read that FAQ and he claims that Venom was his idea, that the X-Men cartoon should have paid him and given him credits, has his own idea for Return of the Jedi (involving Vader absorbing Luke and going all goody goody, white suity on us) and like DXB said, killed Princess Di through the power of his own Godlike creative genius.

Hands down, the most egotistical guy in comics.

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Post by: Bico on 13 June, 2006, 10:54:38 PM

After an embarrassing climbdown from claims he made about Roy Thomas, Howard the Duck featured a Byrne spoof called Greenberg (or something similar) - a character who came complete with removeable spine.
Savage Dragon vs Megaton Man had a funny spoof, too. A seemingly endless collection of incredibly stupid superheroes committed terrorist acts to draw out their creator 'Johnny Redbeard' so they could get their stories finished (their books kept getting cancelled after Redbeard fell out with management over his ill-informed opinions).
"We demand closure!"

I used to read the reprints of the Byrne stuff Fleetway did in the early 1990s, and he was churning out variations on the 'everything you know is a lie' riff like it was going out of fashion to explain how different the 'new' versions of old characters were - the Superboy/Krypto issue being a particularly bad example.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 13 June, 2006, 11:00:29 PM

>Byrne, racist ?

Having just read that I think we should all adopt the term 'thought bubble' just to hack him off.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 13 June, 2006, 11:50:12 PM

Here you go.

Link: This one's for you Gary.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 13 June, 2006, 11:59:55 PM

Thanks, but already found it... that's what this board is missing, some 'last night I had a dream about a droid' threads

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Post by: Art on 14 June, 2006, 12:05:29 AM

Pardon the thread drift but years ago I had a dream that I was at a Comic Convention and guest Jim Henson (!) gave me his drivers license. My friends' interperatations of this dream included that I may be Henson's ilegitamate child & I may be a Muppet dreaming I'm human.

I think that's a distinct possibility for everyone who posts there.

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Post by: nxylas on 14 June, 2006, 12:15:50 AM

I could bore you all with my dream about Andy Diggle writing an episode of Last of the Summer Wine, but I've already done so on Diggle's forum. When I asked what it meant, somebody replied "you're gay".

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Post by: Cthulouis on 14 June, 2006, 02:19:16 AM

How do you get to his FAQ?

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 14 June, 2006, 02:25:37 AM

The Byrne FAQs...

Link: All seven of them...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: Art on 14 June, 2006, 02:28:44 AM

The Fantastic Four are MUTANTS? What the fuck?

Link: http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=4&

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Post by: Steve Green on 14 June, 2006, 02:41:41 AM

I just read his fanfic synopsis for what would have been Return of the Jedi.

Blimey.

- Steve

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Post by: robprosser on 14 June, 2006, 05:49:43 PM

This explains much about Byrne's attitude to Moore (from FAQ section)
"When I am scripting but not drawing, and unless the editor decides to change it, I always put the artist's name before my own in the credits. I think the artist is more important than the writer in comics."

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Post by: Matt Timson on 14 June, 2006, 06:06:10 PM

What- even when he's the writer? I doubt that very fucking much (not that he puts the artist's name first- just that he actually believes anyone drawing his story is more important than he is).

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Post by: I, Cosh on 14 June, 2006, 06:20:55 PM

I don't really understand how he can "plot" and somebody else "script." Does this basically mean that he comes up with a half-baked idea, some other poor mug does the actual work of writing it, then he claims twice as much money?

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Post by: Jim_Campbell on 14 June, 2006, 06:36:12 PM

"I don't really understand how he can "plot" and somebody else "script.""

It refers (usually) to doing the script "The Marvel Way" (ie - badly).

In this method a writer comes up with twenty-odd pages of plot, broken down no more specifically than page-by-page, and not even that sometimes.

This is handed to the penciller, who turns it into the relevant number of pencilled pages. The pages are then handed back to the writer (or to another writer) who dialogues the pages.

(In the days of hand lettering, the artwork then went off the the letterer, who lettered directly onto the pencils, and then the pages went to the inker.)

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Post by: Cthulouis on 14 June, 2006, 06:41:17 PM

Does Marvel still do this? I've read about the method in really old comics and stuff, but always assumed it was something they stopped doing by at least the 70's (yeah yeah, youth of today don't know anything etc...)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: GermanAndy on 14 June, 2006, 08:42:50 PM

*his fans call him JB apparently"

JB? Jim Beam?

The whole Wikipedia nonsense with Byrne was fun too. It must be hell for him that nobody understands him :-)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 14 June, 2006, 08:55:46 PM

"Does Marvel still do this?"

Dunno. I remember Gordon saying within relatively recent memory that his experience of suggesting writing full scripts to a Marvel editor got you labelled as a Shakespeare wannabe (or something like that), but I'm sure Mr Rennie can correct my perpetually faulty memory.

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: scutfink on 14 June, 2006, 09:58:45 PM

Now, is it just me, or does that photo of the byrnester look like Harold Shipman?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 14 June, 2006, 10:10:05 PM

Congratulations DxB on slaying the nefarious Silva monster.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Buttonman on 14 June, 2006, 11:07:35 PM

At least he liked the great Dredd movie!...

"Want to count JUDGE DREDD? Pretty good as a sequel to DEMOLITION MAN -- but not really Judge Dredd"

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: abc warrior on 14 June, 2006, 11:14:16 PM

"Now, is it just me, or does that photo of the byrnester look like Harold Shipman? "

Now that you mention it !

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: abc warrior on 14 June, 2006, 11:17:54 PM

Byrne seems to be giving the 'Marvelman' thread a wide berth since Mig Da Silva's outburst.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: abc warrior on 14 June, 2006, 11:26:33 PM

"Congratulations DxB on slaying the nefarious Silva monster."

Well done, Brunt !
Glad to see him shut up.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 16 June, 2006, 04:22:30 PM

Bah- I think I've been banned already! What a nob...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Dudley on 16 June, 2006, 05:55:28 PM

I just read DXB's defence of the social fabric, and a little tear came to my eye. Lovely stuff.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 June, 2006, 05:56:54 PM

I can't link, won't open for me, has it been removed or sommat?

Bolt-01

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bico on 16 June, 2006, 06:15:03 PM

Seems Byrne is a coward as well as a hypocrite, then.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 June, 2006, 06:25:51 PM

:: "I can't link, won't open for me, has it been removed or sommat?"

It's just that his forum server seems a little unsteady - it goes off and on all the time. It was off earlier today, and at some point last week - but it was up and running about 2 minutes ago.

He has responded to JEB's post, and invited a riposte. Of course, he's being his usual condescending self:

"The Hulk/Banner split was what we call a 'story arc' (sorry to get technical on you)"

Essentially, his argument is that when he tells a "everything you knew is a lie" story, he's only fixing what someone else has retconned away from the ... wait for it ... CORE CONCEPT.

"You do understand what 'core concept' means, don't you?"

---

Meanwhile, the man who has dreams about being Byrne's manservant seems upset that people are visiting the Worship Byrne forum and defending the work of Alan Moore / criticising his infatuation.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Leigh S on 16 June, 2006, 06:59:02 PM

Gah - I hate that nonsensical "troll" label that gets put on people who happen to have a different view - newsflash - if the person has an interest in the topic and an opinion, it's unlikely they are a troll, even if their opinion differs from yours...

Byrne does seem crazy from reading that thread, and Mig Da Silva appears to be the most loathsome thinking individual in all of the internet - well done, DXB!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 June, 2006, 07:55:23 PM

aye, well done DXB, and JEB and Floyd.

Bolt-01

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: scutfink on 16 June, 2006, 08:03:48 PM

I know someone's already posted a reference to this, I can't find the post though, so apologies whoever you are, I don't mean to piss on your chips...

Anyhoo, this priceless comment on Tom Strong by everyone's favourite Harold Shipman Lookie Likey:

What did I find? Naked sex scenes. Not full out naked. Not full out sex.

Oh. My. God. Comic Book in non-nude non-sex shocker!!!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 16 June, 2006, 08:26:03 PM

extract from the comic code authority guidelines;

"Naked sex is not allowed - Dry humping and frottage are acceptable, but only if the couple( man and woman) are married."

the below image is just about acceptable

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 16 June, 2006, 08:29:15 PM

hmm, transgenderism is allowed too it seems

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Satanist on 16 June, 2006, 08:29:59 PM

That costumes all wrong. I bet shes never read a comic in her life!

BAH!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 16 June, 2006, 09:02:40 PM

yes, she's been a naughty girl and she needs to be punished

call 1800-SPANK

extortionate rates apply

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 16 June, 2006, 11:26:54 PM

Aw, bless. Isn't Emery Calame a good little sycophant?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 16 June, 2006, 11:31:32 PM

I think he's nuts! I don't think I've ever been so restrained. Am I really being that unreasonable? It's not like I'm aguing black is white or anything- I'd just like a straight answer...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 16 June, 2006, 11:34:47 PM

...he definitely didn't like my suggestion that he needed JB to do his thinking for him. Oh well, truth sometimes stings a bit...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 June, 2006, 11:45:51 PM

That's fast becoming one of the funniest threads I've ever read.

From Byrne:
"if you read what you wrote, you will see that you answered your own question"

Here's the question he's talking about:

"why [is it] ok to retcon Superman, but not Marvelman?"

How does that answer itself? He's either utterly insane or he's an alien genius, whose logic we fail to comprehend.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 17 June, 2006, 05:05:21 AM

There's a thread on the Feel the Byrne! site which talks of people who watch their site which says "They want to kill John Lennon" which is bafflingly hilarious.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits.........
Post by: Wils on 17 June, 2006, 06:16:41 AM

Bloody hell. Emery Calame's a fucking *mentalist*. How obviously does he still live with his mam?

Matt: To debunk the 'lie' argument, I suggest throwing Maxwell the Magic Cat at them (along with maybe a couple of bricks and a petrol bomb). ;)

What a really hateful messageboard full of greasy cock-knockers.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 17 June, 2006, 06:46:07 AM

To be honest, I'm glad I met the bloke. He reminds me of me- I just hadn't realised *quite* what a long winded gob shite I can be at times.

Very sobering...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 17 June, 2006, 07:20:35 AM

The twat *is* deliberately trying to keep things stirred up, though. He's even trying to rile DXB, but is having trouble because David's posts are so nicely put and well informed that he can't play the "Wah!" card that he did with you, and play the victim.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 17 June, 2006, 03:55:43 PM

it's amusing that Mig and Emery's ravings earn no approbation but 54 Jones (I assume it's you)'s much shorter and to the point posts earn a stern warning from JB* himself about being banned

yours resolving in vain to be positive

*as his fans call him. That or 'the big man' (heave)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 17 June, 2006, 04:46:51 PM

To be honest, I'm surprised I haven't been banned already. I tell you, I felt the fear of God himself when the Byrnester told me to "watch it".

The sad truth is, I used to really love a lot of Byrne's stuff, but I'll never be able to look at it in the same light again. I can't believe the man can't even acknowledge the fact that he was exaggerating a bit.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 17 June, 2006, 04:51:41 PM

It's plainly obvious the whole thing is just a massive ego wank for Byrne, though. I'm not sure when the last time was that I encountered a creator that was so much full of his own shit.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 17 June, 2006, 04:52:47 PM

Oh! And if you've really had enough of there, I'm sure posting up 'Hulk Love Byrne' would do the trick. ;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 17 June, 2006, 06:30:06 PM

Heh- I'm not doing your dirty work for you, Wilson! I double dare you to do it yourself!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Al_Ewing on 17 June, 2006, 06:43:54 PM

I loved it when Emery snarkily corrected DXB's spelling and then mis-spelled Moore. It was a subtle touch by one I deeply enjoyed.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Al_Ewing on 17 June, 2006, 07:06:04 PM

UGGGHHH... reading backwards, I've reached the swathe on how the welfare state and those pesky human rights are destroying the nation. How did I guess that the Byrne Forum would be full of that kind of scumbag? Oh, and the chicken story gets trotted out again by some stupid frigging Daily Express moron... anger... rising... red mist descending... BASTAAAARRDS...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bolt-01 on 17 June, 2006, 07:10:11 PM

Justy caught up. This thread really takes some reading don't it?

Props to DXB.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Al_Ewing on 17 June, 2006, 07:31:03 PM

Yeah, I don't think I could have stood the idiocy. Nice work.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 18 June, 2006, 02:26:24 AM

See me? I suffer fools gladly. Fucking love them.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 18 June, 2006, 04:26:01 AM

I was pleased to see that not only did Len Wein not forget that he'd written Swamp Thing's origin, but that he was delighted that Moore had taken the character to new heights and had personally okayed Moore's deconstruction of his (Wein's) core concept.

I bet that pissed on Byrne's chips*...

*and yes, I was itching to ask him if it did as well- but I'm still feeling a little bit intimidated after being told to "watch it".

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 18 June, 2006, 04:34:09 AM

Well if I were the sort to quibble these things I'd ask how Byrnes Matrix Supergirl compares to the core concept for Supergirl laid out in the Silver Age bbut perhaps he only developed this concept after he'd written that story. I expect so because a cloned shapeshifter from an alternate dimension who sought Supermans help when her world was doomed and got stuck in the D.C.U. isn't quite the same as Supermans cousin who has fun adventures.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 18 June, 2006, 05:24:23 AM

Alright, own up. Who posted that on the 'Are other forums watching us?' thread. Not big, not funny, and you're a terrible example to us all.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Al_Ewing on 18 June, 2006, 07:32:23 AM

What's this?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Al_Ewing on 18 June, 2006, 07:43:08 AM

(Ughhh... that thread is like a sewer of self-congratulation... I wish I could drop some kind of self-awareness bomb on them all and give them a moment of clarity so they realised what a hideous waste of their lives it all was...)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Noisybast on 18 June, 2006, 09:28:23 AM

"Alright, own up. Who posted that on the 'Are other forums watching us?' thread. Not big, not funny, and you're a terrible example to us all."

"No one would have believed in the early years of the twenty-first century that this forum was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than fans'"

Wasn't me...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 18 June, 2006, 11:34:17 AM

what did they post? It was probably one of those John Lennon-slaying trolls that are found in such abundance outside the Byrne Forum

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 18 June, 2006, 12:13:42 PM

Not me.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 18 June, 2006, 07:19:22 PM

That site is terribly addictive. I've found what must be the single most sycophantic post yet. On the Byrne* pictures thread, he discloses to a breathless world that he

spoilers

once shaved his beard off in 1974 (or something like that) but let it grow back!

A fan asks "what month"

Should we expect this level of service from the creators on this site?

*his fans also call him 'the chief'

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Noisybast on 18 June, 2006, 07:26:44 PM

"what did they post?"

From the comments on the thread, I suspect it was "Tubgirl" - the creatively repulsive image that Ade accidentally hotlinked a few months back on the V for Vendetta thread.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 18 June, 2006, 07:29:12 PM

"I bet that pissed on Byrne's chips"

I can't bothered with all the faff of registering and embroiling myself in all the ego-wankery that Byrne's forum entails, but ...

Is the whole CORE CONCEPT argument not overlooking one important thing?

In the case of both Moore's Swamp Thing and Morrison's Doom Patrol, the editorial brief to the writer was something along the lines of :

"This title is dying on its arse. For the love of God, do something interesting with it, willya?"

No publisher gives a flying fuck about the core concept, they care about how many units the book is shifting. If it ain't selling, there's something wrong with the core fucking concept and it needs changing ...

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 19 June, 2006, 01:25:59 AM

"No publisher gives a flying fuck about the core concept, they care about how many units the book is shifting. If it ain't selling, there's something wrong with the core fucking concept and it needs changing ... "

And now I've had a chance to mull that line of thought over (down the pub for a big chunk of the afternoon) ...

It occurs to me that one might also draw a comparison between the relative critical and commercial success of Morrison's Doom Patrol, with that of Byrne's (apparently) back-to-the-CORE-CONCEPT retcon ...

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Art on 20 June, 2006, 01:21:27 AM

It's like the opening to War of the Worlds...

Link: Are other forums watching us?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 20 June, 2006, 01:38:58 AM

When I first posted on the old Byrne board I was a doubter of JB's views. But after some replies from him and others, I realized they knew what they were talking about...

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That said...let them watch us. Let them watch us and let them envy us.

For we are magnificent...

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To answer Rey's question, I think it's clear that other boards (and their content providers) keep an eye on this space, for good reason. There are some great discussions here...

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When I read a post by JB, I always think "Hey, this is a guy who really KNOWS what he is talking about! I can learn a lot of things from him! and from the rest of the board, too..."

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mean this in ALL honesty...I'm a better comic book fan BECAUSE of the interaction with JB on the several message boards/forums over the years...

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If they(internet trolls) weren't so frightening, it would be sad. But, like the guy who shot Lennon, or your average serial killer, it's frightening because, like us, they have eyes and a nose and a mouth, and a mom and dad, and they eat and sleep and poo, but their actions are purely inhuman...

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I could draw a picture of some comic artist raping a kid, and it would kind of be right because comics today are vile like that, but it's a terrible "parody", and one not based in any truth, and would reveal more about me than the subject of said "parody"...

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Those trolls who tried bombing the board last night, well, if they were over the age of 12 then they are seriously deranged individuals and perhaps need to sign up for a dating service...

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To make it easier - when reading these posts, pretend we're not communicating through a cold anonymous computer, but rather face to face, in, say, John Byrne's living room...

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I also suspect that it reveals the social lives of those sad sick twisted sons of bitches who perpetrate these childish assults against John Byrne. They must be, in fact, the types you see, passed out on the curb, teeth scattered to and fro, for drunkenly and buffoonishly picking fights in crowds...

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(Referring to another message board removing post counts to erase the distinction between new and old posters)

Great. Now it's arrived on Forums.

Let's all now have equal wage, be transformed into hermaphrodites, have a perfectly averaged skin tone followed by the genotype median of mankind, and display the same level of equal education while wearing non-distinguishable uniforms who's removal will be punished by the collective tissue of the hive.

And please no postcount commemorations, that's fascist, it uselessly scares poor people with poor low postcounts, if we prick them, do they not bleed?

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...and that's about as far as I got through that thread...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 20 June, 2006, 06:11:45 AM

you could have moved to another thread and found the shocking truth about how John Byrne's hair parting has changed over the years

actually, parts of that thread remind me of the solipsistic character in Flatland....people must be reading this thread because we're terrific

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Radbacker on 20 June, 2006, 07:31:57 AM

wow, no further comment needed.

CU Radbacker

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 21 June, 2006, 12:04:32 AM

Ach! Damn this limited internet access. Someone post the relevent links so I can enjoy the fun as well!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 21 June, 2006, 07:25:38 AM

sure:

Here's the thread in which Byrne bags Alan Moore for being a mere deconstructionist, shows his grammatical brilliance on the word 'actually' and generally barbers on. Dxb is a voice of sweet reason and I have a go
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12516&PN=2&TPN=1

this is the thread with nine million pictures of JB complete with discussions of his hair parting. Who said the internet was just for porn?
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=430&PN=1&TPN=2

and here is the thread in which they wonder if other people are watching them, discuss it with Dxb a bit and decide that others are probably watching them because they're terrific
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12689&PN=4&TPN=1

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 21 June, 2006, 03:32:56 PM

Emery. Chunt. That is all.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Satanist on 21 June, 2006, 04:13:57 PM

I got to the 6th page of that Alan Moore thread. I had to stop before I punched something. I might start a new thread here where everyone can slag of countries they've not visited and books they haven't read. What's the worst thing you've never experienced? Mines Ice Skating.

Yours wishing he was a single mother of 3 living the high life in some god forsaken council estate.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Steve Green on 21 June, 2006, 04:26:15 PM

Maybe you can mock up a leaflet sponsoring a single mother, and send it to him.

- Steve

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Dudley on 21 June, 2006, 05:10:53 PM

Mines Ice Skating

It's ice skating... in a mine! This stuff's gold-dust, baby!

How about...

White Water Roller-Blading?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Satanist on 21 June, 2006, 05:22:59 PM

"It's ice skating... in a mine! This stuff's gold-dust, baby!

How about...

White Water Roller-Blading?"

Why not as I havent done that either cos Alan Moore and the single mums were hogging all the blades.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 21 June, 2006, 09:02:06 PM

Cheers for the links, Floyd.

David, you were absolutely beautiful. Just taking a breather now that your man Eyebrows has made an appearance.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 23 June, 2006, 05:11:29 AM

Computers been out of shape for a day or two. Am now venturing back in to see what has developed.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 23 June, 2006, 05:14:34 AM

I really am starting to suspect that you and Floyd are masochists.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...
Post by: Funt Solo on 23 June, 2006, 05:25:25 AM

I'd kind of lost interest but Byrne's back making a tit of himself on the original thread.

Despite a reasoned and eloquent argument in favour of Morrison's Doom Patrol, Moore's Miracleman (?) and Swamp Thing from a Chris Newton, Byrne can only respond with immediate digs and total dismissal.

He can't even bring himself to reason with people that are being very forgiving to his intransigence, and I get the feeling he may actually be frothing at the mouth with rage as he types.

At the mention of Doom Patrol, minions have leapt to the Byrne's defence with accusations that sick online comic fan bastards clubbed together to drub his reboot in some kind of bizarre Moore-inspired jihad that stopped the legions of right-thinking Byrnites from buying it.

Ha! ... and, equally ... oh dear!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 23 June, 2006, 05:26:15 AM

And John Byrne immediatley gets my Grauniad reader hackles rising by refering to the Honeymooners remake with black actors as being 'in blackface'. Neat, JB, neat.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: Wils on 23 June, 2006, 05:37:44 AM

I get the feeling he may actually be frothing at the mouth with rage as he types.

And beating himself off whilst reading the gushing praise and ego-wanking from his little band of sycophants.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 23 June, 2006, 05:37:50 AM

Oh you bastards, you've made me go back again....

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits.........
Post by: Trout on 23 June, 2006, 05:40:37 AM

I think the board has found its new S***o...

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 23 June, 2006, 05:42:42 AM

And the thing about visiting is that it's made me realise that compared to some people Steve Saville is, actually, not half as bad as some people.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits.........
Post by: Wils on 23 June, 2006, 05:43:08 AM

Ye of little willpower. Then again, you *were* inseperable from the Smugfest for quite a long time.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 23 June, 2006, 06:08:44 AM

>Then again, you *were* inseperable from the Smugfest for quite a long time.

That's place was a bastion of sanity compare to the Byrne-a-thon

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 23 June, 2006, 02:42:35 PM

"At the mention of Doom Patrol, minions have leapt to the Byrne's defence with accusations that sick online comic fan bastards clubbed together to drub his reboot in some kind of bizarre Moore-inspired jihad that stopped the legions of right-thinking Byrnites from buying it."

It would be funny, if it wasn't quite so sad.

I note that Byrne has changed his icon and status on the forum: The Gold Bull.

Coming soon, a new mini-series: Byrne - The Man Without Irony!

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 25 June, 2006, 06:06:47 PM

Lost Girls has got Feel the Byrne! in a tizzy. Ever the diplomat Byrne reacts with Wildian wit when he learns that one of the board members intends to buy Moores latest.

Link: Feel the Byrne!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: abc warrior on 25 June, 2006, 06:45:26 PM

The whole board has to march to the tune of Byrne's warped views.

On another thread, he goes on about how civilians should not be brought back from the dead, conveniently forgetting that he brought back Ma and Pa Kent !

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 25 June, 2006, 07:11:45 PM

they really do have a bit of a hang-up about Moore don't they? There's a sizable contingent there determined to prove conclusively that:
- Moore's not very good
- Moore violates core concepts
- Moore hates himself
- Moore's work isn't enjoyable (unless you're an asshole or don't understand core concepts)
reading that thread I tried to follow the convoluted 'Moore is a hypocrite' post and then realised that it doesn't bloody matter

yours wondering how to work the words 'talk bubble' into a conversation

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bico on 25 June, 2006, 07:31:01 PM

Hmmm... Whose side to come down on..?
An apparantly genial, if introverted and argueably slightly odd old bloke who wrote Watchmen and V For Vendetta and has proved that for all his hit and miss writing, he can pull a work of near (if not *actual*) genius out of his arse when he wants to, and who just seems to want everyone to leave him alone - or an egomaniacal, hypocritical, small-minded racist who has an odd distraction for drawing women in compromising and uncomfortable positions, and, more notably, has never, ever produced anything of intellectual worth or value in the medium of comics.

Tough call.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 25 June, 2006, 07:31:23 PM

Fucking hell. Calling someone an asshole *just* because they're actually looking forward to Lost Girls?! Byrne's a complete, out-and-out cunt.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 25 June, 2006, 07:33:07 PM

That's not fair. Byrne could pull a work of near genius out of his arse if he wanted to. He'd just have to persuade someone to ram Italo Calvinos 'If on a Winters night a traveller' up there first.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bico on 25 June, 2006, 08:02:00 PM

He gets a mention as a footnote to the name 'Byrne' in Ireland.

Link: Bottom of the page...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 25 June, 2006, 08:42:13 PM

Dxb, that's hilarious. I haven't read the Italo Calvino book, so would like to nominate James Joyce's 'Ulysses' which is bigger

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 25 June, 2006, 09:00:11 PM

It's all about size for you isn't it Floyd?

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Post by: I, Cosh on 26 June, 2006, 07:52:26 AM

Personally, I found "If.." quite tiresome, but I can't speak Italian.

I'd love to read a defence of it.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 26 June, 2006, 01:40:22 PM

No defence at all. I just found it a very well written, very witty literary game that was almost, but not quite, a work of genius.

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Post by: Bad Andy on 26 June, 2006, 04:26:29 PM

That board reads like an artifical intelligence experiment. Byrne's responses are actually that of a computer and its programmers are trying to hoodwink the other boarders that he is in fact real.

Unfortunately they are failing as none of the responses make sense in the real world.

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Post by: Funt Solo on 26 June, 2006, 05:41:42 PM

Eek - hive mind!

BA - I'd had that exact thought - that's not John Byrne, it's just an ALICE clone where the programmers are experimenting with racist sentiments and the inbuilt hatred of Alan Moore.

"Good morning, John"
- "Fuck off nigger Moore bitch!"
"Uhm, is there something wrong, John?"
- "I know you are, latino whore, but what am I?"
"Err, isn't that a little bit sexist and racist, John?"
- "You're not adhering to the CORE CONCEPT, Alan Moore's more popular and talented than my little pinky! You do know what a pinky is, don't you?"

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Post by: Funt Solo on 26 June, 2006, 09:46:57 PM

This guy didn't come first in the logic queue:

::"Not censorship, not prohibitions. Limits."

Great doublethink there. I am not censoring you, this is merely an imposed limit.

::"In no way are psychological traumas less severe than physical ones."

My chainsaw says different.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 27 June, 2006, 12:02:00 AM

And Moore has closed down the thread. Joyously a new poster rationally and calmly argued for Lost Girls and cited Alan Moore extensivley. Byrne quibbled over a date, declared himself triumphant, the boarder a dickweed and apparantly is beginning to think he's waster 30 years of his life.

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Post by: abc warrior on 27 June, 2006, 12:25:36 AM

When he can't win the argument, it's lights out !

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Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2006, 02:41:18 AM

He must be the most jealous man on the planet.

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Post by: Darryl on 27 June, 2006, 02:47:42 AM

Haven't they missed the point though? I was always under the impression that Peter Pan, the wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland were all about leaving early childhood behind and entering adolesence? With that in mind, doesn't Moores work on Lost girls just advance the whole thing?

They also mention Anderson and the Brothers Grimm - didn't they just take old, violent and sometimes sxual parables and make them palatable to the upper classes of the time?

Didn't get chance to post that over there - couldn't be bothered to register.

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Post by: nxylas on 27 June, 2006, 02:57:25 AM

>"Naked sex is not allowed - Dry humping and frottage are acceptable, but only if the couple( man and woman) are married."

The sad thing is, I actually looked at the Comics Code guidelines online to see if they really did say "frottage and dry humping". I'm off to check the word "gullible" in the dictionary, cos someone told me it wasn't in there.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 27 June, 2006, 03:38:42 AM

There was a good interview with Moore linked off that thread... He points out that Peter Pan has some dodgy sex stuff in the original (that was cut). When I read it a while back I noticed some odd stuff too.

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Post by: Funt Solo on 27 June, 2006, 03:48:04 AM

"Did ye ever hear the legend of the seeded fruit that is often mistooken for a vegetable?... Red in colour and fleshy within, but beware o' the pips. They call it the tom-matto. Yeeeeessssss!"

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 27 June, 2006, 04:06:33 AM

It's odd he can't see the irony in slagging Moore fans for supporting him no matter what he seems to say/do as that is exactly what he expects from his acolytes...

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Post by: Art on 27 June, 2006, 07:06:18 AM

Wils - that exchange is really quite stunning...

fan: "Got my copy on order. Looking forward to it more than any other comic in quite some time."

JB: "Then you are a complete asshole."

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 27 June, 2006, 11:46:45 AM

I posted a polite little thread announcing the Moore Future Shocks collection. The thread vanished soon after appearing, so now I know the definition of 'making trouble'.
I will not go back to that site again, fun though it is. But I will remember John Byrne when I see the Alan Moore section in my local comic shop and notice the non-existence of the John Byrne section

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Post by: Funt Solo on 27 June, 2006, 04:21:20 PM

For some reason, this appeared in my mind:

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Post by: johnnystress on 27 June, 2006, 04:28:54 PM

InBANANA Jones

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Post by: Funt Solo on 27 June, 2006, 04:59:07 PM

...and the Temple of Byrne!

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Post by: Eric Plumrose on 27 June, 2006, 05:19:32 PM

As for Shakespeare, the Bard himself wasn't against changing the 'facts' contained in his plays just so he could cosy up to the Monarchy, iirc.

That thread was just too exhausting at times.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 27 June, 2006, 05:21:09 PM

It's funny because it's true.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 27 June, 2006, 05:33:36 PM

No, Shakespeare didn't do that. Byrne says so.

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Post by: I, Cosh on 27 June, 2006, 05:44:45 PM

Reading all that could give you a Warp Spasm.

The part I really can't get over is the willful refusal to accept that writing a new story with old characters is in any way different from adapting the same story into a different medium.

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Post by: Eric Plumrose on 27 June, 2006, 05:51:14 PM

>> No, Shakespeare didn't do that.

'I am a kind of Byrne; I shall stick to my version.'

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Post by: Leigh S on 27 June, 2006, 06:13:54 PM

Well, this is the most incredible post I've ever seen!

Link: my word!

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Post by: thinky on 27 June, 2006, 06:22:40 PM

slightly off-topic, but still regarding "The Big Guy" himself - did i dream it way back in my youth or did he draw a Dredd strip in one of the specials?

was it any good?

thinky

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Post by: Dudley on 27 June, 2006, 06:24:28 PM

1983 Special. Vote of 8.5 says yes.

Link: 1983 Special

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Post by: Dudley on 27 June, 2006, 06:25:46 PM

Draws a pretty decent Dredd too.

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Post by: Leigh S on 27 June, 2006, 06:41:16 PM

Dredd's certainly aiming at that creatures core concept...

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 27 June, 2006, 06:47:10 PM

That Condy Rice just isn't trying to be sexy.

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Post by: I, Cosh on 27 June, 2006, 06:55:56 PM

Ah! I thought Candy Rice was maybe some Asian porn star, but now it all makes sense.

No love for Madeleine Albright?

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Post by: Eric Plumrose on 27 June, 2006, 06:57:23 PM

Given his constant harking on about core concepts, what's Byrne's stance on working on DC's version of Dredd?

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 27 June, 2006, 07:02:38 PM

That 'fame' post is incredible... just when you think you've seen the edge of his monstrous ego you realise it's mearly just the beginning...

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 27 June, 2006, 07:06:36 PM

Ah-huh. Now I know why people paid to visit Bedlam.

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Post by: I, Cosh on 27 June, 2006, 07:29:29 PM

What's particularly good is the way his egomania is effortlessly matched by the sycophancy of his camp followers. I mean, Rennie and Spurrier get there arses kissed on here a fair bit, but it's as nothing beside the tsunami of unchecked drooling over there.

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 27 June, 2006, 08:00:28 PM

Yeah, but we're quite happy to give 'em a bit of a kicking if there's a wiff of slacking on their part too.

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Post by: Al_Ewing on 27 June, 2006, 09:48:08 PM

I think I'd jump up and down upon meeting John Byrne as well. Possibly making untintelligable grunts of fury at the sheer magnificence of his fame.

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 27 June, 2006, 11:11:13 PM

Al, let's amend your statement to give it a ring of truth:

Upon meeting John Byrne I think I'd jump up and down on him. Possibly making untintelligable grunts of fury at the sheer magnificence of his ego.

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Post by: test 4 echo on 28 June, 2006, 01:47:06 AM

A John Byrne story, told as it was recounted to me a few years ago in the bar at a comic con in Manchester?.

JB enters the room at a con and makes his way to a table, a large crowd clutching sketch books gathers around him before he has sat down and pulled out him pencils. He looks up at some 12 year old kid at his table.

?Hi kid, can I have your book??

?Oh wow yes sure thanks? This kid beams and hands over his pad. JB spends 15 minutes making little conversation but by all accounts did a pretty fantastic sketch of a character that I forget. Eventually he looks up, ?there I think that?s done.? Then he tore the page out, handed the pad back to the kid and held aloft the sketch.

?Right, who will give me ?5 for this??

A moment of silence. ?Come on, ?5? The kid looked stunned.

A voice ?err yeah OK, here?s a fiver?

?Right, who?ll give me ?10??

He sold it for ?50, to the guy who told me the story.

Just telling it like I heard.

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Post by: The Amstor Computer on 28 June, 2006, 01:51:01 AM

Blimey. Would have been lovely if someone had bought the sketch & given it to the kid.

"There you go - enjoy it, and don't grow up to be a cunt like him..."

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 28 June, 2006, 02:00:48 AM

You know it's going to be hard to be anything approaching polite if I'm ever in the same room as Byrne...

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 28 June, 2006, 03:32:30 AM

Sure. A lot of people have said that over the net. Never happens. Probably to do with the way his table is laid out.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 28 June, 2006, 03:35:24 AM

Nothing - NOTHING - could make for a better 200th post.

"My beloved little dachshund Chico passed on several years ago. You are an amazing artist and draw great animals. Have you ever drawn a dachshund? If so then I would love to see that images."

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 28 June, 2006, 03:55:22 AM

>Probably to do with the way his table is laid out.

yeah I read that as well... he'd need a fucking machine gun nest on it

>Have you ever drawn a dachshund?
"I've drawn plenty... you can have one for fifty quid (well for starters I'm sure there's plenty out there will pay more)"

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Post by: I, Cosh on 28 June, 2006, 04:01:52 AM

I just saw the thing about the dachshund and didn't really know what to think.

The whole thing is like one big, livid scab that you just can't help picking at.

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 28 June, 2006, 05:38:36 AM

there's no comparisn. Rennie and Spurrier don't start threads titled 'which one of my comic made you start reading comics' and throw snits when someone posts off topic. Nor do they post dozens of pictures of themselves and discuss their hair partings with breathless fans. At least not so far.

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Post by: petemaskreplica on 28 June, 2006, 06:48:03 AM

"Given his constant harking on about core concepts, what's Byrne's stance on working on DC's version of Dredd?"

Come on, DXB, ask the question! I dare you!

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Post by: Al_Ewing on 28 June, 2006, 06:51:15 AM

Sooner or later someone will snap and translate the feeling of disgust that his hideous internet presence creates into some form of physical action. It won't be me, but it's bound to happen eventually. Hopefully it won't end in some sort of grotesque Se7en-style ritual slaying, but at this point it's difficult to be optimistic about such matters.

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Post by: Art on 28 June, 2006, 07:16:51 AM

I wouldn't mess with him. He'd probably retaliate to any aggression by biting you in the neck, and even if you didn't die immediately you;d succumb to bacterial infection within days, just like someone bitten by a Komodo Dragon.

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Post by: Al_Ewing on 28 June, 2006, 07:31:07 AM

Dear God! It's how he populates his messageboard. Emery only paid him forty quid for a sketch and the next thing he knew JB's gums were clamped on his throat and the poison was heading for the brain!

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Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 28 June, 2006, 09:22:54 AM

Aww I may come across as some sort of psycho saying this or hopefully I'll come across as more of a revolutionary thinker like Julian Cope, Aldous Huxley, David Byrne or James Joyce but... haww that was so fu##ing hilarious. And it was Al...

"Sooner or later someone will snap and translate the feeling of disgust that his hideous internet presence creates into some form of physical action. It won't be me, but it's bound to happen eventually. Hopefully it won't end in some sort of grotesque Se7en-style ritual slaying, but at this point it's difficult to be optimistic about such matters.%

Jon Lennon. Maybe.

Johnny Cash wrote-

" I went out walking. Looking for Wonderland"

One can only suppose he was not expecting a funny cat or a derangenged queen followed by a pompous turtle there.

?

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Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 28 June, 2006, 09:31:36 AM

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 28 June, 2006, 10:50:18 PM

God I'm obsessed.

John Byrne and Chuck Dixon arguing over animal rights and welfare in Spain in the Western Civilisation thread.

Celebrity Geek Deathmatch.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 28 June, 2006, 10:59:07 PM

Pah Chuck backed down after John bared his teeth. Now Chuck has changed his position and says that YES his cat does write his shopping list for him.

There's only room for one Alpha male on that site.

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Post by: Cthulouis on 28 June, 2006, 11:02:17 PM

Ah, I notice religion bashing is one of his hobbies as well. What a surprise.

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Post by: Art on 28 June, 2006, 11:27:57 PM

Wasn't Chuck in Nam or something*?

* Possibly i'm wrong and he just wrote a lot of Punisher comics.

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Post by: House of Usher on 28 June, 2006, 11:46:30 PM

All this talk of John Byrne being obsessed with returning comic books and characters to their 'core concept' has me confused. His version of the Doom Patrol introduced several new team members, one of which was Grunt, 'a four-armed gorilla'.

That strikes me as odd. I thought the core concept of Doom Patrol was that a philanthropic genius scientist gathered together a team of individuals that had each suffered a personal tragedy but gained unique talents as a result, because he could see how they could serve society and overcome their problems at the same time.

So, their line-up has included, at various time, a man badly injured in a racing car accident who survives as a human brain in a robot body, a test pilot inhabited by a non-corporeal alien spirit that makes him give off dangerous radiation that has to be contained by chemically-soaked bandages, and a psychiatric patient whose personality is divided into numerous selves as a result of unspeakable childhood trauma.

But apparently, according to John Byrne, a gorilla with four arms is more faithful to the 'core concept' than anything Grant Morrison or John Arcudi did with the series...

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 29 June, 2006, 12:26:19 AM

John Byrne's wikiquote page
All the Byrneisms you ever need, in one place.

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 29 June, 2006, 12:26:45 AM

Link: Bah

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Post by: Eric Plumrose on 29 June, 2006, 12:46:08 AM

>> Come on, DXB, ask the question! I dare you!

Heh. Someone should ask JB if he's likely to write another episode of Doctor Who. 'Cos, y'know, 'The Keeper of Traken' rules.

And yeah, Tutti Frutti rocked, by the way. But, y'know, Heartbeat kinda sucks . . .

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Post by: Lobo Baggins on 29 June, 2006, 01:14:25 AM

1983 Special. Vote of 8.5 says yes.

Even when it came out, I wondered why something by John Byrne ended up shoved into a Sci-Fi special rather than appearing the weekly - it would have been a bit of a coup to get the X-Men artist in the prog...

He must have really offended someone on the editorial staff for that to happen.

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Post by: Bolt-01 on 29 June, 2006, 01:21:07 AM

Same as for why it hasn't really been seen since. If I'm right there are no panels from this on Byrnes site, and his fans are quite anal about making his work visible there.

Bolt-01

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Post by: Eric Plumrose on 29 June, 2006, 02:05:14 AM

At least Eagle Comics made the effort when they reprinted it as part of Judge Dredd's Crime File.

"Includes a 14 page story drawn by John Byrne!" or some such.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 29 June, 2006, 04:42:56 AM

Found this gem via the 'Byrne quotes' linked above...

Prepare for your mind to warped as Bryne tells you file sharing is a bad as rape!

Link: 'When the hell did John Byrne lose his mind?'

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Post by: I, Cosh on 29 June, 2006, 05:22:52 AM

Jebus!

I'd never heard of it myself, but it's a pity nobody called him on that Superman porno thing on the Lost Girls thread...

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Post by: scutfink on 29 June, 2006, 10:40:48 PM

I saw Fantastic Four for the first time last night, and I'm fairly sure there are thousands of Latino Hookers who'd quite literally give their left bollock to look like Jessica Alba does in that film...

On a related note, it's probably wise to check how true this is of any latino hookers you choose to do business with before any money changes hands...

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Post by: House of Usher on 30 June, 2006, 12:25:10 AM

That "Howling Curmudgeons" discussion starts out well, but ends up getting far too fanboy anally retentive about story arcs of years gone by.

The dissection of things John Byrne has said is pretty much on the money, but all the poring over the behaviour of characters when he's written them, looking for instances of misogyny, seems like the actions of people with far too much time on their hands. When I read old fashioned and sexist speech in comics, it just makes me think it's badly written comics. It doesn't make me want to collect up all the writer's similar misdemeanors in a dossier.

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Post by: abc warrior on 30 June, 2006, 05:47:56 PM

So much for Byrne's stance on Lost Girls !

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 30 June, 2006, 05:59:35 PM

Noooo!!! My eyes! My eyes!

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Post by: Wils on 30 June, 2006, 06:25:36 PM

Now *this* post (on the For Shame, John Byrne! thread) has garnered from me the biggest laugh at one of his quotes to date, even though he himself thinks he's destroyed the bloke asking the question with his usual cuntish sarcasm:

Why don't you use your pool, JB?

****

Because I live alone, Mike. What's the first rule of swimming?

"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."
"...I live alone..."

I wonder why that is?

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Post by: johnnystress on 30 June, 2006, 07:21:59 PM

That picture is just wrong

C3P0 just isnt that way inclined if you know what I mean... ding a ling a ling

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Post by: scutfink on 30 June, 2006, 08:34:35 PM

Also, being a Droid, he has no genetalia.

What is she doing down there?

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Post by: Funt Solo on 30 June, 2006, 08:37:34 PM

Ah - I know - C3PO is always getting blown...

...apart and then repaired. She's simply re-attaching his legs - something which she feels comfortable doing in the nude because there's no need to have inhibitions around droids, especially gay ones.

---

Did the Golden Byrne really draw that?

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Post by: House of Usher on 30 June, 2006, 08:46:46 PM

If I could draw, I would've drawn that, and more besides. But I wouln't have got all huffy and sneering about Alan Moore's 'Lost Girls'. Unless I just had an irrational dislike of Alan Moore and his work, like I envied his success or fame, or something.

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Post by: abc warrior on 30 June, 2006, 08:48:39 PM

"Did the Golden Byrne really draw that?"

Apparently, according to one of the guys at CBR.

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Post by: abc warrior on 30 June, 2006, 08:54:21 PM

Byrne's shifted his attention to Gaiman, now :

When working with existing "franchises", any good writer will return to the source material from time to time, to see if s/he can divine from that work something that might have been missed before. This is true whether the work is good, bad, or indifferent.

The best place to start, however, no matter what the context, is not by saying "the creator didn't get it right". That's the worst kind of hubris. I have been pilloried for my work on Superman, Spider-Man, Doom Patrol, and in the early days even FF and X-Men, yet I have never once said the creators of those series/characters "didn't get it right". It disgusts me not only to read Gaiman saying this -- about JACK KIRBY of all people! -- but to see the cartwheels people are willing to turn in order to make his words seem other than what they are. Apparently, dissing one of the greatest talents this industry has produced is okay, as long as you're on the Approved List.

Next, how Eisner screwed up the Spirit, and Lee and Ditko on Spider-Man --- what the heck were they thinking??
Link: Byrne on Gaiman

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Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 June, 2006, 09:13:21 PM

Apparently, dissing one of the greatest talents this industry has produced is okay, as long as you're on the Approved List.

Hahahahahahahaha.... oh dear god, the irony. You couldn't make that up. As he typed those words, did he not think about what he was doing to Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman and think 'hang on...'

He really is a hypocrite of the highest order.

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Post by: Lobo Baggins on 30 June, 2006, 09:29:45 PM

He really is a hypocrite of the highest order.

He also states that he and Alan Davies seem to share the same philosophy...

Yikes!

This dissing of other creators is nothing new with Byrne, by the way - a couple of years ago he seems to have had a lengthy tirade against Peter David on his message board, before Peter David turned up and told him to stop being such a cunt (or words to that effect).

Oh, and Kirby's 'The Immortals' looks like he knocked the whole thing out in an afternoon - not his best work by a long chalk.

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Post by: House of Usher on 30 June, 2006, 09:33:05 PM

Fuss. About. Nothing.

John Byrne sure loves an argument, doesn't he? You'd think he had plenty to fill his time what with drawing comics, but apprently he's got hours spare to read the fans' reactions when he slags off Neil Gaiman for daring to criticize the workmanlike output of Jack Kirby in the 1970s, as if Jack Kirby were some sort of sacred cow.

Neil Gaiman happens to be working on a revival of Jack Kirby's The Eternals (like I give a shit...) and as part of the publicity to promote that, he has offered a comment on how his version of The Eternals is different from Kirby's original. If this thing didn't have to be promoted, I doubt Gaiman would have spoken at all, and yet John Byrne takes umbrage as if Neil Gaiman has gone out of his way to be disrespectful to Jack Kirby.

Manufactured outrage, is what it is.

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Post by: Funt Solo on 30 June, 2006, 09:36:48 PM

I'm just killing the italics on Firefox. Move along. Nothing to see here.

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Post by: Eric Plumrose on 30 June, 2006, 09:41:00 PM

JB's argument seems to boil down to the fact that only a creator is capable of critiquing his or her own work.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 30 June, 2006, 09:41:12 PM

Christ the Byrne slags Kirby off for something IN THE SAME THREAD! The red mist! Must think calm...

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Post by: Eric Plumrose on 30 June, 2006, 09:50:19 PM

Gary:

'Did you ACTUALLY READ JB slagging off the King? No, of course you didn't, you c*nting idiot 'cos that's just you're opinion of what JB did. For fuck's sake, you FOOL, JB MERELY STATED that Kirby was using references that were EIGHT YEARS OLD. The Eternals are the King's CREATIONS. Ergo, Kirby, not Gaiaman, understands their CORE CONCEPTS better. YOU DO KNOW WHAT A CORE CONCEPT IS, DON'T YOU? AND THAT I'M REFERRING TO JACK 'KING' KIRBY, NOT ELVIS FUCKING PRESLEY?!'

Hope that clarifies things.

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Post by: Funt Solo on 30 June, 2006, 09:54:09 PM

I've been tempted to join up and argue the point with him - but thankfully my small sane section of brain stops me. It would just be a waste of time and energy.

I was reading the bit where he starts going on about "true fans" and "winkers", and realised that, for the first time in my life, I can honestly describe someone as being literally full of shit.

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Post by: abc warrior on 04 July, 2006, 02:40:29 AM

Get your Byrne t-shirts here !

Link: t-shirt

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 04 July, 2006, 03:40:15 AM

I've asked him directly about the 'blonde hispanics look like whores' and the 'nigger is just as bad as speech bubble' thing. Twice.

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Post by: Art on 04 July, 2006, 03:45:01 AM

He's probably pretty much bullet proof on that point now.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 04 July, 2006, 03:48:04 AM

Not aiming bullets, just asking a question.

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Post by: Wils on 04 July, 2006, 04:09:37 AM

How about this one?

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 04 July, 2006, 04:41:20 AM

You're a very, very bad man.

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Post by: Grae the puppetmaker on 04 July, 2006, 04:41:27 AM

Good grief DXB, you're a lone voice in the wilderness over there! I don't think they can see you.

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Post by: Art on 04 July, 2006, 05:00:44 AM

Print a few of those and put them on sale at a con and I guarantee you'll get sales.

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Post by: abc warrior on 04 July, 2006, 05:17:10 AM

Shocking !

Got one in XXL ? :)

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 04 July, 2006, 06:19:44 AM

Pff, I made a comparison between JB and Gary Glitter,then amended it to Michael Jackson. And I got away with it!

Honestly thought that might have started some kind of riot.

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Post by: Wils on 04 July, 2006, 04:14:06 PM

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Post by: Matt Timson on 04 July, 2006, 08:15:38 PM

I noticed today that you can't put the Byrnster on 'ignore' either. Love or loathe him- you can't ignore the fucker in his own place...

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Post by: Wils on 04 July, 2006, 10:16:42 PM

You've not actually been banned yet, then? Only a matter of time... ;)

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Post by: Matt Timson on 04 July, 2006, 10:31:39 PM

I hovered over the send button of a post that was pretty much guaranteed to get me banned, but I wimped out in the end- mainly because I went on holiday, the thread had died while I was gone, and posting it would've made me look a bit too much like 'last word' Cairns.

Needless to say, I saved it- just in case I find myself drunk in charge of a keyboard in the near future...

;)

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Post by: Al_Ewing on 05 July, 2006, 12:47:45 AM

That Gaiman thread... Jesus H Christ, Byrne's a monster of unreason. Apparently now you need to have MET SPIELBERG in order to say that one of his films didn't hit the mark. Because he needs to have TOLD YOU THAT HIMSELF. Otherwise it is merely your SILLY OPINION and you should know your place, which is in the slime.

Unless you're JB for HE IS THE ROCK AND THE CHAIN AND THE LIGHTNING and anything he says is right.

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 05 July, 2006, 07:15:35 AM

for fans of Byrne's unreason, there is also the "which one of my comics made you start reading comics" thread (which he closed due to off-topicness and insufficient adoration) and the "man or menace" thread in which Byrne trawls the rest of the web, looks at "Byrne-bashing" and concludes that people criticise him because they're idiots who can't think for themselves and that his childish rudeness to people who disagree with him is due to his being provoked. He only calls people assholes when he has to due to their unreasonably supporting pedophilia by buying Alan Moore books.
Oh and his faces don't look the same. He said so.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 05 July, 2006, 05:16:03 PM

Interesting;y he started that thread all about how people don't like him but when I commented that commented about what people on his board think of me he made a snide comment about 'hairshirts'. It's okay if you're Byrne though.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 05 July, 2006, 05:16:03 PM

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 05 July, 2006, 05:39:55 PM

well you killed John Lennon - a hairshirt is the least you could do

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Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 05 July, 2006, 06:43:48 PM

No that was JD Salinsbury.

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 05 July, 2006, 06:48:38 PM

What is the deal with the Hairshirt comment, I don't get it.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 05 July, 2006, 07:14:36 PM

Medieval monks used to wear them as a pennance, so they could never luxuriate in comfort. It's a Byrne Forum comment implying someone is enjoying being hard done too.

I posted a thread about cheap graphic novels, including Byrne drawn ones, available from Asda and said that despite what people think of me, things like 'nihilistic whinger' and 'her like follower of a peadophile', I thought other people might be interested. So after telling his fans how to get his books he came over and insulted me. Whilst at the same time bemoaning Byrne Bashers.

Elsewhere Emery Calamare is still trying to start Moore arguements, even in topics about Rex the Wonder Dog.

Meanwhile I want to leave but can't.

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Post by: Funt Solo on 05 July, 2006, 08:01:16 PM

DXB, Floyd-K:

Come away from the edge! I know you only meant to do good, but you're just feeding him. He's a negative energy vampire.

(As for Emery the Mad, he seems to have been cursed by a witch to use twenty words instead of one wherever possible - and none of them interesting.)

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Post by: I, Cosh on 05 July, 2006, 08:17:53 PM

I've been quite enjoying DXB's gradual transformation from placatory voice of reason to snide Byrne-baiter who can't quite be accused of simple trolling. Clever stuff.

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Post by: Matt Timson on 05 July, 2006, 09:24:52 PM

That Emery is a proper cunt of the first order...

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 05 July, 2006, 09:27:29 PM

When you stare into the pit...

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Post by: Matt Timson on 05 July, 2006, 11:39:15 PM

Isn't Richard and Judy on?

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 06 July, 2006, 02:47:34 AM

Go read Emery's dissection of why Hero is communist capitulation propaganda.
I bet his neck is a lovely shade of rouge.

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Post by: Darryl on 06 July, 2006, 03:35:28 AM

Now, I've tried to be polite, and not give off negative vibes, but I couldn't resist posting the following..... (probably be deleted within seconds)

Mr Byrne,

I have been reading your messageboard for a few weeks now, and I would like to ask a question.

I know that you tend to work exclusivley for the American comics market, and indeed, I have rediscoverd your work on the xmen through the 'essential' TPB reprints, but I do recall you working on the DC version of Judge Dredd in the 1990's.

With this in mind, can you tell me how you approached such a iconic character, given that the core concept was such a stong concept to begin with? Also, are there any other classic or iconic british comic characters (such as Archie, The Steel Claw etc..) that you would have liked ot have worked upon?

Thanks for your time!

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 06 July, 2006, 08:06:46 AM

54 Jones is right about Emery. He IS cursed with saying far too much. I just ignore him.
Must tear self away.....

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 06 July, 2006, 08:41:29 AM

I've just been banned! My name is now subtitled 'worked really hard to get banned'. Oddly enough my last post was thanking a guy for the graciousness of his 'JB isn't such a bad guy when you meet him' post.
Now I'll never get to reply to JB's post about how accepting he is of differing viewpoints

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Post by: Matt Timson on 06 July, 2006, 02:10:50 PM

Floyde, Darryl (and indeed, everyone else)- do you think that you could post links to where all this stuff is happening, please? I've just about broken my brain 'browsing' the forum looking for it!

Cheers.

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Post by: Bad Andy on 06 July, 2006, 02:19:18 PM

Well he's completely ignored the dredd bit!

A couple of decades back, now, an editor I'd been working with called me up to say he'd been in Forbidden Planet, in the Village, and looking thru some hardcover albums had come across a sci-fi strip he thought would be "perfect for Byrne!"

It was DAN DARE.

I grew up on DARE, and would have loved to take a sail thru that "universe" -- at least before it got all grim and gritty. HEROS THE SPARTAN was another favorite. The more recent stuff, tho --- there I'm not so familiar.

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Post by: Matt Timson on 06 July, 2006, 04:08:31 PM

Link?

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Post by: Bad Andy on 06 July, 2006, 04:17:18 PM

Oh all right

Link: Nothing to see here

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 06 July, 2006, 04:42:20 PM

54 Jones, there's no one post where I'm told I'm banned....it could have been this one
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13024&PN=1&TPN=4

or it could have been this one

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13024&PN=1&TPN=8

who knows? I didn't even get any of those 'watch it, you're very close to the door' warnings he's so fond of

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 06 July, 2006, 06:06:32 PM

I think it's because you argued that in a rational universe using the words 'thought balloon' was less offesive than racial swearing.

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 07 July, 2006, 12:51:03 AM

I may have done it now.
Brought up paedophilia as a "learned" sexuality in the Gay Superheroes thread, only for someone to inform me that paedophilia is not about being attracted to children, it's about destroying innocence.

I'd best get on to the dictionary people.

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Post by: Dudley on 07 July, 2006, 02:08:30 AM

Not being bothered to look at the John "bit of a knob" Byrne forum, what did you mean by "learned sexuality?

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 07 July, 2006, 02:32:28 AM

They are talking about homosexuality as either genetic soley, learned behaviour only or a combination of the two.
I asked how something like paedophilia where (according to something I read some time ago) the majority of paedophiles were abused as children, but the majority of children abused did not turn out to be paedophiles.

The first response was the one I mentioned. Byrne said after that "That is a terrible side effect. It is about being attracted to children. And also it's about geography, which sometimes creeps me out"

Brunt asked about the Geography thing, no answer yet.

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Post by: Dudley on 07 July, 2006, 02:38:43 AM

Ah, a fun debate. Surely the answer on the gay question is "nobody knows the answer, therefore whatever answer I give merely displays my personal prejudices"?

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 07 July, 2006, 04:23:26 AM

I think Byrne has killfiled me.

Like my local book group I just can't walk away. Today I've learnt what he thinks of people who liked Superman Returns and all about The Chiefs 'special stamp'.

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Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 05:14:14 AM

"JB,

Do I notice that you changed the part in your hair? (insert punchline here)

In the above photos you part your hair on the left and in the more recent photos the part in on the right."

Jumping Judas- what the fuck are some of these cretins on?!?

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 07 July, 2006, 05:19:04 AM

Just visited Barbelith.com and there's a message for Dave Farebee saying if you want to join they won't ban you like Byrne did. I expect the same extends for everyone. Though you'd better REALLY like Morrison...

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 07 July, 2006, 05:45:38 AM

Oh and Matt...how many minutes before someone mentions a red jumper in relation to your last post?

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Post by: Trout on 07 July, 2006, 05:49:32 AM

I made the mistake of starting to read bits of that board and was stuck there bloody forever.
It will damage your mind, people.

Also, David Brunt is officially - I have decreed it - a terribly nice man.
What kind of a wanker killfiles someone like him?

Byrne makes me feel bad about the human race.

- Trout

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Post by: Al_Ewing on 07 July, 2006, 08:20:37 AM

I've noticed that most of the art droids I know revere Byrne as an artist. However as a writAH (ay say cheps ay'm a writAH) ay find him a witless boor, my deah.

Is this a standard dichotomy? How much slack are we prepared to cut the man based on his various talents?

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Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 01:31:29 PM

Ah yes- red jumper syndrome*. There's a whole bunch of that on the Marvelman thread, isn't there? I'm expecting more flak over my use of the word 'actually', to be honest...

*for those of you who can't be bothered to look, red jumper syndrome is when somebody gets offended on behalf of somebody else. Naturally, it's a Byrne-ism and doesn't apply to the Byrnester himself getting all bent out of shape over the fact that Alan Moore VIOLATED the CORE CONCEPT of Marvelman.

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 08 July, 2006, 07:07:50 AM

jamesm: Byrne knows the answer. Gay people are born gay. There's no such thing as bisexuals.

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Post by: Will I. Cooling on 08 July, 2006, 09:32:41 PM

jamesm: Byrne knows the answer. Gay people are born gay. There's no such thing as bisexuals.

Man, that Byrne's on the money again isn't he (Rolls eyes).

The sad thing with JB is that he used to actually you know be good. He also used to speak some sense, I remember reading an editorial by him in MoS where he basically made the staggeringly intelligent point that each generation, indeed each person has a different introduction to an iconic character and so has a different 'take' on the character. Of course his constant wittering about the 'core concept' contradicts this, but what you going to do?

And I actually own an Eagle Comic reprint of the Byrne Dredd. Its not that bad, although Dredd is rather thin and scrawny.

Will

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Post by: House of Usher on 09 July, 2006, 10:15:54 AM

I just bought a DC $1.00 80-page giant comic, post-Infinite-Crisis-shambles, that has a story with John Byrne pencils. It looks good. If only he could just stick to drawing nice pictures and stop sounding off all this guff about stuff he knows nothing about. You know, politics and the like.

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Post by: Wils on 09 July, 2006, 07:39:06 PM

Oh and his faces don't look the same. He said so.

John Byrne - The Jamiroquai of comic art!

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 10 July, 2006, 09:44:12 AM

Do Jamiroquai's faces all look the same?

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Post by: Darryl on 12 July, 2006, 01:49:17 AM

Please say this is someone off here - it will be nice to see if the mighty JB answers........

Link: ouch......

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 July, 2006, 02:17:25 AM

Have you read his 'vacation' thread yet?

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Post by: abc warrior on 12 July, 2006, 03:02:48 AM

as per "tradition", the JBForum will be "read-only".

Clearly, he doesn't trust his mods to do the necessary while he's on vacation.
He must watch that board like a hawk !

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Post by: Misanthrope on 12 July, 2006, 03:55:23 AM

"Do Jamiroquai's faces all look the same?"

I think wils was referring to the fact that Jamiroquai has made a very successful career marketing the same song over and over again.

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 12 July, 2006, 10:21:41 AM

Curse you DxB, your call to read the Vacation thread dragged me back.
I notice that the Incredibles could have been a good movie if only they'd listened to JB

Link: First remove all the jokes....

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 12 July, 2006, 03:10:07 PM

>I notice that the Incredibles could have been a good movie if only they'd listened to JB
Arrrghhh you made me go back to the bad place! Jesus has JB got no joy in his heart at all! And it's a cartoon! It's knockabout! You expect it to be build on coincidences! It's not Mamet! It's not Pinter!

And he hates superheroes DYING because of their CAPES because Moore did it in Watchman.

Calm, think calm....

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Post by: TordelBack on 12 July, 2006, 03:19:26 PM

Okay, okay, I've read this thread and its parent fanw*nk site with a certain amount of bemused glee, but something about this 'Incredibles' thing is even more disturbing than the "latino [latina?] whores" madness. Byrne actually thinks that the opening sequence of the Incredibles is crap because it relies on too many coincidences? Did I get that right? Did we see the same movie? This was the bit where we see how Mr. Incredible's past was a non-stop romp of narrow escapes and improbable rescues, setting the backdrop for the empty montony of his insurance job in the 'present'? Weren't the coincidences practically the POINT of that sequence, highlighting his free'n'easy youth, the fun and the casual ease of it all?

Byrne is insane. There's just no other explanation.

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Post by: johnnystress on 12 July, 2006, 03:49:36 PM

"Byrne is insane. There's just no other explanation.
"

I'm leaning towards the 'he's just an asshole' theory myself

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Post by: Cthulouis on 12 July, 2006, 03:53:32 PM

I can't believe someone who works with Marvel and DC can complain about coincidence driven plot. Then again, my view of those two companies is biased by scenes such as the one where spiderman was rushing to save someone (girlfriend I think) from the Green Goblin but got delayed by a random Tyranosaurus that teleported into the middle of the city and was never talked about agian...

(I realise it may have been an element from another marvel story, but that doesn't help the anti coincidence league)

This thread has been one of the most interesting ones in my time at Uni, so just before I wander off into the land of no internet, I'd just like to say thanks to everyone for bringing this mad man to light. I hadn't heard of him before this thread, now I can't wait to hear what new maddnes he has come up with.

I also agree that the Incredibles thread shows above all others how much hes lost the plot.

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Post by: Leigh S on 12 July, 2006, 05:12:50 PM

His attack on the Spider-man films is pretty weird - his definitioin of character seems to mean continuity details - perhaps he need a dictionary.

Peter Parker isnt the same character because:

"Isn't a highschool genius

Wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider

Fights with Uncle Ben

Has a reason for not stopping the burglar

Doesn't come up with the costume

Doesn't come up with the name

Has biological webspinners, so...

Doesn't invent mechanical webspinners"

None of which are actual character traits last I looked... "That new guy at work - I'm not sure I like his attitude - for a start, he hasn't been bitten by a radioactive spider..."

And then, when someone says that Stan Lee said he wished he had thought of biological web, he claims Stan Lee has a faulty memory... how the hell does that undo the fact Stan thinks its a more sensible approach.

He's a real piece, this JB fellah - and I see he still hasn't explained why he forgot about the core concept of Dredd with his appalling effort.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 July, 2006, 05:22:26 PM

JB is the real world Guy Gardner, with none of the charm and sartorial elegance. Good at what he does, but a complete arse. You can want to reduce racism and sexism in comics and still be a complete prick, just like you can save the universe from Sinestro but still be an arogant wanker.

Guy is more amusing though.

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 July, 2006, 05:38:15 PM

Getting to see this is some compensation though.

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Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 12 July, 2006, 05:39:07 PM

==;start, he hasn't been bitten by a radioactive spider..."==;

Wonder what he makes of the Hulk movies and Jon" Brokeback" Woo?

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Post by: Rob Spalding on 12 July, 2006, 07:13:06 PM

Just about everybody over there hates it.

Which is fair enough

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 July, 2006, 07:40:43 PM

Quote of the day - John
Byrne is tired of "doing the right thing" and getting
f**ked up the ass for his troubles.

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 12 July, 2006, 08:12:18 PM

that's very funny Watcher. Not only did I learn from the JBF that I didn't really enjoy Moore's Swamp Thing, I have now learned that I didn't like the Spiderman movies or The Incredibles........well not really

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Post by: Goosegash on 12 July, 2006, 10:14:27 PM

I suspect JB is a secret cape-wearer behind closed doors. It would explain why he's so angsty about the whole "cape-mockery" thing. Is anyone brave enough to ask him about his cape?

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Post by: Darryl on 13 July, 2006, 03:29:36 AM

'John will address, confirm, or deny issues as is most appropriate.

If he has not addressed a question that has been asked multiple times, there is a valid reason for that, whatever that reason may be.

If and when an announcement either way needs to be made, you can be certain John will make it. He has never been shy about announcing anything when the time is right.'

Comedy gold!!

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Post by: Will I. Cooling on 14 July, 2006, 02:56:53 AM

Just doing such research for a column (that will surely be excellent and you should read at byrne talking sanely (http://www.gayleague.com/forums/display.php?id=99%22%20target=%22_blank)

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Post by: Noisybast on 14 July, 2006, 06:35:39 AM

"I try not to write men and women, and just write people. I think this is probably the biggest reason my female characters have the kind of spunk they do"

Snigger...

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Post by: Matt Timson on 14 July, 2006, 05:21:39 PM

I happened to catch Spiderman 2 on the box last night- and Peter Parker is indeed still regarded as a genius. It's mentioned several times, in fact.

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Post by: Buddy on 14 July, 2006, 10:25:51 PM

Just scanned through his posts, I'll read them all when I've got a day or two to spare.

He just comes across as a prick who is clearly jealous of Mr Moore.

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Post by: Will I. Cooling on 15 July, 2006, 06:54:52 PM

Btw, there's an excellent column by the floydster about his experiences over at JBF over at The Nexus.

(there's also wonderful columns from yours truly too :) )

Link: Floyd vs Byrne: BRINT IT ON!

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Post by: Bico on 15 July, 2006, 07:15:37 PM

Floyd's better off chucked from that forum - a brief read is enough to discover that it simply isn't the place for a voice of sanity.

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Post by: Matt Timson on 16 July, 2006, 02:13:55 AM

I'm liking that- nice one Floyd. I'm thinking of posting a link to it over at the JBF. Of course, it will mean instant dismissal...

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Post by: Noisybast on 16 July, 2006, 02:32:48 AM

You can't not...

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Post by: Darryl on 16 July, 2006, 03:33:15 AM

As I am;

a) Not as genned up on comics as some of you guys,
b) I'm not as good an arguer as JEB,
c)I'm not bothered if they ban me
and
d) I like the idea of stirring the shit

I will, as soon as the mighty JB is back, I will post the appropriate linky!

wish me luck.....

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Post by: Proudhuff on 18 July, 2006, 10:15:47 PM

Well Darryl? How went the day?

Nihilistic,Cape-hateing,Limey,Black skinned,Blue-eyed boy-Huff.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 19 July, 2006, 01:58:42 AM

Still can't post there yet.......

Came across this GEM of a sycophantic ego boost though!

Best thing is - the book (which isn't a bad read) has interviews with both Chris Claremont and Grant Morrison - GM praises the work of CC - but CC slags him off to high heaven!

and John Byrnes? reads like he's desparate to go back to marvel for the work.....!

Link: oooohhh Mr Byrne - You're sooooo Great!

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Post by: Richmond Clements on 19 July, 2006, 02:06:41 AM

Like probing a rotten tooth or picking at a scab, we can't help but return to the Byrne forum. Because if we didn't, we'd miss gems like this:

You are much too important to the history of the X-Men to not be in the book, Master. The book will be little better than back bottom remainder filler without the JB. Already, for obvious reasons, they can't have new insight from The King, and if you aren't in it, future scholars will be misinformed enough to continue to believe that Bryan Singer and Avi Arad created the X-Men.

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 19 July, 2006, 02:14:46 AM

You made me go back to the bad place! Owww Owww!

Still there's this:

>Do the interview (which will make fans happy, as you were part of 3 interesting eras in the X-Men), bring hard copies of answers to common asked questions with you, and hand them to the interviewer whenever you're asked a question you've already answered here.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Proudhuff on 19 July, 2006, 02:15:21 AM

'Baldrick! bring me that back bottom remainder filler, and be quick about it'

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 19 July, 2006, 03:00:55 AM

The John Byrne Forum - the forum that just keeps on giving!

A third of the way down.....

Link: Pots n Kettles?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 19 July, 2006, 03:16:27 AM

only three pages of being compared to John Lennon, B rian Wilson, Bob Dylan (and, let's be fair, Mike Nesmith) talked him into doing the interveiw

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 21 July, 2006, 02:57:34 PM

Having watched 'Superman Returns' last night (and having really enjoyed it too, I might add), I was reminded of Byrnes's rant about "Superman's bastard son" (nice). Clearly, a 'bastard son' is all wrong- but a bastard grandson (as depicted in Byrne's 'Generations') is fine.

I would genuinely hope that he's a little more pleasant in the flesh.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: I, Cosh on 21 July, 2006, 03:24:02 PM

Never mind Byrne's forum, I've been trying (and, clearly, failing) to stop reading this thread whenever it comes back!

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Post by: Oddboy on 21 July, 2006, 04:03:17 PM

In the U.K., the tabloid press killed Princess Diana.

Surely they killed her in France?

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Post by: The Amstor Computer on 21 July, 2006, 04:31:56 PM

Ba-dum tish!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Oddboy on 21 July, 2006, 04:34:50 PM

Ai ai ai!
That's a long thread about some very disturbed/disturbing people.... it scares me.

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Post by: Jim_Campbell on 21 July, 2006, 10:55:55 PM

"Pretty interesting, and he sounds quite sane even if he keeps bringing attention to his heterosexuality a lot."

Byrne draws gayest Batman ever - official!

Cheers!

Jim

Title: The fuse has been lit..... Count down commence!
Post by: Darryl on 23 July, 2006, 02:52:37 AM

As promised, I, in the interests of trying to bait the uber-Troll that is John Byrne, have posted Floyd's article upon the car crash webite that is the JBF.....

Odds on he doesnt answer?

Link: Watch for the frothing of the mouth......

Title: Re: The fuse has been lit..... Cou...
Post by: Grant Goggans on 23 July, 2006, 04:15:08 AM

That was one quick deletion, Darryl, but I loved this part: "This is done because the person you pulled the message from has no idea that his or her words are now being used for fodder on another board."

*innocent whistle...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Something Fishy on 23 July, 2006, 04:48:39 AM

He's a little up his own bottom isn't he.

When he creates his own Watchmen and takes Comics into the mainstream, then i might respect his comments.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Misanthrope on 23 July, 2006, 10:20:05 PM

Just had the pleasure of watching the Incredibles and have noticed something that will piss on the bearded twats chips. John Byrne claims that the film revels in the deaths of the cape wearing heroes in the Edna scene. Now if you have the DVD of the Incredibles pause it when you see the front row in the church when the couple are kissing. There you see the heroes who were 'killed' alive and well.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 24 July, 2006, 12:58:18 AM

My message, and the ones past that a)attacking me and b)buggering their own rulebook have now been deleted! wonder if it's becuase I pointed out how they had broken their own rules?..... Does anyone want me to post it again? I have received a warning: 'Darryl, whilst we appreciate your concern, John has just returned from a gruelling vacation and does not need this level of negativity right now, so please, do not post this garbage again or steps will be taken'! Their you go Floyd - YOU'RE GARBAGE!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 24 July, 2006, 02:54:04 AM

>just returned from a gruelling vacation and does not need this level of negativity right now

it's beyond satire... 'gruelling vacation'... has he been on an Everest expedition and lost half his fellow climbers to avalanches and rabid Yetis?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 24 July, 2006, 03:50:25 AM

well you certainly shouldn't post it again if you don't want to be banned.
I'm not sure if garbage is a step up or down from "condescending and moronic" which was the moderator's other description of my column (and would be a pretty good way to describe 'the chief's' reactions to a lot of posts)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bico on 24 July, 2006, 04:08:15 AM

'Gruelling vacation'? Either that's a contradiction in terms, or like most other things, Byrne fails to grasp what the concept entails.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Dog Deever on 24 July, 2006, 07:30:51 AM

Camping, now thats a gruelling vacation!

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Post by: Dudley on 24 July, 2006, 03:01:00 PM

Making porridge in prison, that's a gruelling vacation...

Gruel? Porridge? Geddit? Hey, come on, come on, people!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: House of Usher on 24 July, 2006, 04:19:03 PM

I never had you sussed for a Daily Mail reader before, James! Now you're saying prisons are like holiday camps, the criminal justice system is weighted too far in favour of the criminal, sentencing should be tougher, and they should bring back hanging? I know you're probably in tune with the thinking of the man on the Clapham omnibus there, but don't you think you're being a bit reactionary?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Dudley on 24 July, 2006, 08:30:18 PM

Well, bring back hanging for offenses like vandalism and being young. For really major offenses like being a paedo I reckon castration and torture should be compulsory whether or not they're actually guilty. But I don't think there should be any punishment for speeding, tax evasion, or multi-million-pound bank fraud, obviously.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 25 July, 2006, 02:20:06 AM

Floyd, I really couldnt give a monkey's chuff if I got banned or not - if the end result is getting up the nose of a wsahed up hack then hey - I'm all for it!

Round two coming up....

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Post by: Misanthrope on 25 July, 2006, 04:11:34 AM

Wankers

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 25 July, 2006, 06:31:24 AM

But I don't think there should be any punishment for speeding, tax evasion, or multi-million-pound bank fraud, obviously.

Don't you mean 'perfectly normal driving' and 'wealth creation' James?

Yours, Specator-readingly

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 26 July, 2006, 12:12:01 AM

More Byrne wisdom:

"There is no reliable evidence to support the premise that second-hand smoke is dangerous to the health of non-smokers. Concentrations in normal air are just too small"

Does anybody have any other technical questions we can put to the Byrnster? I'm pretty sure he'll know the correct answer to just about anything you can think of...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Woolly on 26 July, 2006, 01:48:55 AM

"There is no reliable evidence to support the premise that second-hand smoke is dangerous to the health of non-smokers."

I'd say the death of Roy Castle was pretty fucking reliable!

I don't know wether this guys a loon or a comedy genius, but im *definately* going to avoid his comics! Hurrah!

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Post by: Byron Virgo on 26 July, 2006, 02:21:56 AM

"I'd say the death of Roy Castle was pretty fucking reliable!"

*tsk!*

You're as bad as someone ploughing their car into a bus queue full of Roy Castle's, you are!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bico on 26 July, 2006, 02:27:28 AM

It wasn't smoke that gave Roy Castle cancer, it was tap-dancing.

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Post by: Byron Virgo on 26 July, 2006, 02:38:14 AM

I heard he got it from blowing into all those trumpets for so many years...

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Post by: Woolly on 26 July, 2006, 02:44:13 AM

Sorry, meant to say 'pretty fucking reliable *evidence*'.

Duuuh...

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 26 July, 2006, 03:41:03 AM

Was there ever a stranger career than Roy Castle, or a more entertaining one? Horror films, Doctor Who films, Carry On films, kids T.V., Jazz, Laurel and Hardy tribute acts with Ronnie Barker, Dancing...bonkers and brilliant and unlikely ever to be beaten.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Woolly on 26 July, 2006, 03:46:58 AM

Coincidentally, my housemates mum dated Roy Castle when she was younger.
FACT!

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 26 July, 2006, 03:48:46 AM

He also produced special woo noises with a ten bob whistle he got off his dad (or something) when he played the Star Wars theme on Summertime Special... beat that Ant and Dec!

Oh and he was a multi-World Record tap dancer

Dedication! You've got to have, dedication! etc!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Byron Virgo on 26 July, 2006, 03:50:44 AM

You forget of course that Castle also appeared in Chucklevision, surely the apex of any ambitious televisual nomad's career...

You're right though; that really is something of a mentally British career path - from Amicus to those diminutive Twins of Terror, Paul and Barry.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 26 July, 2006, 05:33:44 AM

Robert Cornthwaite...

Link: There are no enemies in science, only phenomena to

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 26 July, 2006, 07:28:14 AM

Dxb, how come I can't reply to your email? What is this eldritch power you have?
Was Roy Castle 'the boy with the knack' from the Dalek movie?
As for things on which John Byrne is an expert...well the list is pretty much infinite. He's already pronounced on the welfare state and bisexuality.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 26 July, 2006, 08:18:52 AM

How about his views on American English vs proper English? If he whips himself up into a tsunami over the word 'bubble', it'd be interesting to see if he goes super nova over the English language as a whole.

Should be good for a laugh.

"Only an illiterate asshole would spell color with a 'u' in it, tho." - John Byrne, tomorrow

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 26 July, 2006, 03:18:59 PM

>Was Roy Castle 'the boy with the knack' from the Dalek movie?

That was Ray Brooks of Mr Benn, Eastenders and a million voice-overs fame... because he was in the 'sex comedy' The Knack and How To Get It

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 26 July, 2006, 04:36:08 PM

I heard about 'the knack and how to get it'. I was referring to the hearty British narration for the Dalek movie which said something like "Roy Castle is Tim*, the boy with the knack" (we see him intrepidly dodge some dalek guards and jump off something)

*or whatever the character's name was

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 26 July, 2006, 04:51:13 PM

Well Castle is the comedy-relief 'action' hero in the Dalek film... "Three, it's my luck number!"

But the bloke described as 'the boy with the knack' in the trailer is Ray Brooks, but it's for the Invasion Earth film (that had Cribbens as the comedy-relief 'action' hero - I shudder at the memory of the interminable Roboman comedy sketch)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: JamesC on 27 July, 2006, 12:50:31 AM

I met Roy Castle on Great Yarmouth beach when I was a kid and we were building the worlds longest sandcastle.

Me: You're Roy Castle, I saw you in Doctor Who and the Daleks.

Roy: Oh that's right yeah.

Me: Yeah you were a right spud!!
(Runs away).

Someone had dared me to be cheeky to him but it bit me on the arse later because I felt really guilty when I found out he had cancer.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 27 July, 2006, 03:41:13 AM

As Gary said Ray Brooks, who plays David in the second film is the boy with the knack. Roy Castle is Ian Chesterton in the first film.

Dunno why you can't reply Floyd. Shame. Try again.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 28 July, 2006, 01:05:21 AM

I feel like I'm picking a really bad scab, but this just made me spit coffee everywhere...

'...would you be open to trying new takes on old covers? I've always wanted to see the cover of Uncanny X-Men #141 through Wolverine's/Kate's POV.
***

You got the money, sailor? Remember, I'm a whore, but I'm not a cheap whore!

Actually (!!) something I have been thinking would be fun would be "What if...?" versions of my old covers. Like -- if I had drawn this one after only a glance at the original, and used the skills I have accumlated since to render the image.'

Link: money for old rope.....

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Woolly on 28 July, 2006, 02:01:29 AM

JB:'Changes from Original -- lots! Some deliberate.'

Heres JB's version

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Changes to the original? Bollocks mate!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Woolly on 28 July, 2006, 02:03:12 AM

By 'JB's version' i meant 'new version', of course...

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 28 July, 2006, 02:56:16 AM

I thought it was one of those 'spot the difference' competitions... until I realised there were no differences.

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Post by: nxylas on 28 July, 2006, 03:23:46 AM

>There is no reliable evidence to support the premise that second-hand smoke is dangerous to the health of non-smokers. Concentrations in normal air are just too small

Lemme guess - I bet he's a climate change denier too, right?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 28 July, 2006, 07:12:40 AM

If I remember correctly, the study he cites shows no causal connection between having a spouse who smokes and smoking-related disease in non-smokers. That's quite different to there being no connection between passive smoking and smoking related disease. Passive smoking could involve being in a room with 80 people who are smoking, whereas a spouse is only one person

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 01 August, 2006, 07:45:41 PM

Oh, it's just the gift that keeps on giving.

Link: http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 01 August, 2006, 07:48:02 PM

And we'll try that once again for luck.

Link: I was pleasantly surprised...

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Post by: Quirkafleeg on 01 August, 2006, 08:21:48 PM

Oh... dear... god...

Well it's nice of him to totally sort out the philosopy of art for us. I'm sure all those great thinkers who have been pondering this will for years will be happy to now realise they can now devote their time to something else.

But he's totally wrong about Pollack. And Duchamp. And everything else really.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Al_Ewing on 01 August, 2006, 08:26:52 PM

Ah, the myth that artists are somehow better than lowly mortals, which allows them to con a dazed and bewildered audience and to get away with all manner of self indulgence...

Oh, and it's a sword that can swing both ways! Albeit never in John Byrne's direction. Still, that's quite close to a moment of clarity from JB.

(Actually, he comes close to a coherent thought right at the end, when he agrees with Eddie Campbell that "it's all art". Although I doubt he'd ever consider himself as a peer of Eddie Campbell, or vice versa.)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: I, Cosh on 01 August, 2006, 09:57:36 PM

John Byrne Thread, why wont you die?!

I almost felt compelled to add some thoughts about Dredd on the "passage of time in comics" thread.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 01 August, 2006, 10:31:47 PM

Go for it.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 01 August, 2006, 10:55:14 PM

Having your own forum means never having to admit that you're talking out of your arse.

When pulled up on what basically amounts to office gossip about Jack Kirby, the Byrnster predictably pulled the "I was there, you weren't" line- only to be faced with documentary evidence that, there or not, he was still talking out of his arse.

Naturally, nothing more has been said and I'm only surprised that the thread hasn't been locked yet...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 01 August, 2006, 11:00:24 PM

Which thread...prurient interest compells me...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 02 August, 2006, 01:30:30 AM

The "was Kirby ahead of his time?" thread. I was pleased to note that along with all the arse talking, the Byrnster was also able to answer this question with his absolute authority as well.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: TordelBack on 02 August, 2006, 03:50:10 AM

Somebody please gouge out my eyes so that I don't keep coming back to this bloody thread. That man is an egomaniacal fruitcake. Asserting that "Art is control" makes lightbulbs come on over the head of his old art school buddies - my arse. Would this even pass for a clever idea in a freshman History of Art tutorial, scratch that, a fifth year Art class on a wet Friday?

Wait, let ME try: "Art is whatever you think art is". "Oooh, TordelBack, I never thought about it like that efore, you're soooo profound, let me archive that thought so that your wisdom is saved for the ages, oh my master". Knob. Efffin' KNOB. K-N-O-B.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Dudley on 02 August, 2006, 03:55:06 AM

You're all so judgemental. I'm just happy Dr Byrne was there to release his old friends from the trap of pompousness.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 02 August, 2006, 04:02:38 AM

Hey, and who doesn't like mini-epiphenies?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 02 August, 2006, 04:23:24 AM

there are a lot of artists on this board. Does the question of "what is art?" usually come up when you're together?
Well, in case you're reading this...(italics) art is control

(waits for mini-epiphanies)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: petemaskreplica on 02 August, 2006, 04:29:00 AM

In my experience of drinking with artists, the question most likely to arise is, "so, whose round is it?"

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 02 August, 2006, 06:56:42 AM

anyway, art isn't control. Control is the spy organisation that employed Maxwell Smart.

boom boom

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 03 August, 2006, 06:39:48 PM

One thing on the Byrne and Brits issue. I think he hates us cos Superman was thought more of as Supertwat from a British perspective.

And I quote;

Link: Silverbullet Review

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 03 August, 2006, 08:00:28 PM

I suspect my time as an active member of the Byrne board may be about to come to an end.

Link: Clark, must we hide our feelings?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 03 August, 2006, 08:37:54 PM

You're a bad man, David... and you do that Bareback Mountains stuff far too well.

And there would never be any tension between Superman and Wonder Women as she's so obviously a lezza...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Al_Ewing on 03 August, 2006, 09:06:49 PM

It's like Johnny and Wulf all over again.

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Post by: Dudley on 03 August, 2006, 09:48:04 PM

DXB +++ YOU HAVE BEEN EVICTED +++ PLEASE LEAVE THE JOHN BYRNE MADHOUSE +++ DXB +++ YOU HAVE BEEN EVICTED +++ PLEASE LEAVE THE JOHN BYRNE MADHOUSE +++ DXB +++ YOU HAVE BEEN EVICTED +++ PLEASE LEAVE THE JOHN BYRNE MADHOUSE +++

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 04 August, 2006, 09:26:00 AM

Byrne's instinctive grasp of comedy comes up again!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 04 August, 2006, 10:05:12 PM

I see that tracing- sorry- 'recreation' of an old X-Men cover's doing the business for the Byrnster on Ebay.

Link: Money for old rope

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 04 August, 2006, 10:57:05 PM

jesus wept

US $1,525.00

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Buddy on 05 August, 2006, 12:25:19 AM

That TRUE BRIT book..... hardly 'core concept' .

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Rob Spalding on 05 August, 2006, 01:39:33 AM

Yeah, but elseworlds stuff isn't realy meant to is it?
Millar's Red Son is bloody good.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 05 August, 2006, 01:41:15 AM

Whereas True Brit is a bit... shit. I skimmed it in Borders- wasn't very impressed.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2006, 12:44:09 AM

It may well have been on this very thread but I'm sure someone somewhere has said that True Brit's being shit is due, in part, to JB rewriting Cleese's script 'cos he thought it was disrespectful of Supes.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 08 August, 2006, 04:24:05 PM

Pimping for Britain.

Link: The Byrne is Nigh.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 08 August, 2006, 05:32:41 PM

Who was 'the lad himself' who sacked Terry Nation?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 08 August, 2006, 05:41:22 PM

H....ancock.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: longmanshort on 08 August, 2006, 05:57:35 PM

DXB - call that pimping?! The least you could do is include the website address ;P

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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 08 August, 2006, 06:14:31 PM

I was trying not to be too obvious. Too subtle?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 08 August, 2006, 06:15:41 PM

Plus, if it helps illustrate your TEIN pimpage onthe Byrne board, I've still got this languishing in my Photobucket account.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 08 August, 2006, 06:23:50 PM

It's funny because it's true.

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Post by: House of Usher on 08 August, 2006, 06:24:16 PM

Keith Elder writes: "...things have been steadily getting better. The world is _far_ better off than it was in the '70s, for instance. I'm really not worried."

But he's wrong. In the developed world, the standard of living relative to exploitation of resources has never been higher than in 1975.

Subsequent improvements in the standard of living in capitalist societies have only come about at great environmental cost.

Life may be 'better' in terms of cheap air travel, affordable four wheel drive vehicles for urban driving, power showers, inter-continental supply of out-of-season fruit and vegetables, cheap factory production in Asia, cheap hardwood products from non-renewable forests in Indonesia, more use-once-only disposable goods, and more air conditioning, but environmental degradation is the price we pay for all of it.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Oddboy on 08 August, 2006, 07:33:53 PM

Environmental issues? Enschmironmental schmissues.
Quite frankly, I reckon the planet is harder then we are, and has a better chance of survival then we do. It'll be here long after we've all nuked ourselves to death. It's big enough & ugly enough to take care of itself.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: House of Usher on 09 August, 2006, 12:48:28 AM

You're so right, Oddboy. The planet won't miss orangutans and tigers one bit - that's just us stupid humans being sentimental. They're just matter after all, which can neither be created nor destroyed...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 09 August, 2006, 02:25:35 AM

DXB: There could SO be sexual tension twixt Batman and Superman...

JB: Based on what, exactly? Other than your own fantasies.

How about this?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 09 August, 2006, 02:51:35 AM

Wilson, I absolutely insist that you get over there and post that immediately.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Grant Goggans on 09 August, 2006, 03:13:30 AM

*dies and is dead

Hooray for Wilson!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 09 August, 2006, 03:20:47 AM

Egad! That skanky tracing is now going for $4000! What the fuck is wrong with people?!?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 09 August, 2006, 09:08:25 AM

House of, the Byrne forum is not the place for reasoned arguments!
Elsewhere there, for fans of Deep Thoughts, JB has found a book that confirms what he has long suspected about human irrationality..all of which seems to confirm his view that most people aren't as brilliant as he is

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 09 August, 2006, 02:57:10 PM

Byrne starts the 'Crator Intent' thread by saying things change, that's life, that's good. Halfway through he's arguing that change is bad and you shouldn't change. And Alan Grant gets an unfavourable mention...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 09 August, 2006, 04:44:19 PM

obviously Grant doesn't merit the unconditional respect we owe to JB or Jack Kirby...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 09 August, 2006, 08:46:20 PM

Then again, perhaps he's only pretending to swing that way to humour Robin...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 10 August, 2006, 05:52:58 PM

WIls, is that for real?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: I, Cosh on 10 August, 2006, 08:07:55 PM

Piles of unwanted Fantastic Four Visionaries: John Byrne TPBs going for a song in Glasgow FP this afternoon. See John, it's not that shops dont' stock stuff; people just don't want to buy it. Even for a fiver.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 10 August, 2006, 08:13:57 PM

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Post by: Wils on 11 August, 2006, 04:14:37 AM

Floyd - Truth to tell, I did replace the original 'up his sleeve' with 'in his pants', but everything else (especially all of Robin's speech *bubble*) is legit.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Funt Solo on 11 August, 2006, 04:29:48 AM

"They're just matter after all, which can neither be created nor destroyed..."

And this month's Golden Sarcasm award goes to...

[Did I use my apostrophe correctly?]

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 11 August, 2006, 01:27:12 PM

Wils, I looked it up on superdickery and discovered that. The good old fashioned use of the word 'gay' was alive and well back then.
This thread has wandered from its original topic which was what a dork John Byrne is. Fair enough.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 11 August, 2006, 03:41:02 PM

If this doesn't get me banned then nothing will...

Link: couldn't help myself...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: test 4 echo on 11 August, 2006, 06:46:34 PM

Yep, that ought to do it for you.

What you should have done was displayed in the post above yours, which is an almost standard JB forum message opener...

"A couple of quick points.

1. I agree with everything JB said in this thread. He summed up my feelings perfectly."

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 August, 2006, 01:18:27 AM

We were all thinking it.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Noisybast on 12 August, 2006, 01:47:46 AM

Bugger. Whatever you said, it's gone now.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 August, 2006, 01:58:10 AM

Nope...it's still there.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Noisybast on 12 August, 2006, 07:56:13 AM

So it is. My mistake.
You're an imp, Timson...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 12 August, 2006, 10:44:53 AM

I notice that all of comics fandom is obsessed with unjustly bagging Byrne. The poor guy!
While you're still unbanned, could you ask Byrne to get a better icon than that ugly baby picture?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 12 August, 2006, 02:16:16 PM

Disturbingly, that 'ugly' baby picture always reminds me of Dudley!

Sorry James...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 13 August, 2006, 03:51:27 AM

Addicted...Robert Cooke explodes at Byrne...

Link: The whole internet is laughing at you.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Buddy on 13 August, 2006, 05:01:37 AM

One of the odder things the internet has done is create a kind of "cult of mini-celebrity", where everybody -- even old comicbook hasbeens -- thinks they have opinions that are worth broadcasting to the world

So true John, so true...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Rex Banner on 13 August, 2006, 05:15:23 AM

You could always post a link to this thread....

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: WoD on 13 August, 2006, 05:20:46 AM

I really can't believe how much these people love him...it would scare me...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Buddy on 13 August, 2006, 05:37:13 AM

Yeah, I'm beginning to think it's just JB posting messages under different names.

"Oh, JB I never thought of it like that, I'm married to a Latino woman with blond hair and you know... you're right, she looks like a slut, how I never noticed it before I'll never know. You've changed my life. Thank you JB, thank you."

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Trout on 13 August, 2006, 06:15:23 AM

I've been trying very, very, very hard not to get sucked into reading the Byrne forum, but that thread's just a slice of fried gold.

I note "JB" hasn't replied to the - entirely accurate - rant against him. I wonder if he'll simply ignore it?

I'm trying not to register for the forum, as I don't much like Byrne's work and I'd only be doing it to be nasty to people.

But David, would you do me a favour? Just for fun, would you please call JB a "scunner" for me?

Cheers

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 13 August, 2006, 03:55:38 PM

Banned for sure, this time...

Link: Pffft...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Woolly on 13 August, 2006, 04:56:17 PM

You deserve a medal for that, mate!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 13 August, 2006, 06:35:56 PM

Heh. I like the response by John Griggs, which basically says that if you don't agree with everything that Byrne does, you shouldn't even be posting there. Really does sum-up that freakishly scary place.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 13 August, 2006, 07:15:16 PM

"Membership in the JBF is strictly limited to fans of the work of John Byrne. But ... why would you want to be here otherwise?

" Tickets for the Sermon on the Mount!"

Christ.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 14 August, 2006, 12:58:28 AM

Just been banned. I likened Johns actions to a well known Saxon monarch and he took offence.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 14 August, 2006, 01:06:05 AM

If anyone hasn't been banned yet would someone be so good as to post this link to explain...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canute_the_Great

Link: Standing against the tide!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 14 August, 2006, 01:27:42 AM

Huzzah! You've beaten Matt to bannage! I think he's lost his baiting mojo altogether, tbh.

This also suggests a new t-shirt to add to the range: John Byrne - Bit of a Cnut

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 14 August, 2006, 01:34:37 AM

But...I wasn't trying to get banned!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 14 August, 2006, 01:46:46 AM

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 14 August, 2006, 01:48:24 AM

Then it MUST be true, MW.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 14 August, 2006, 08:00:43 AM

qwert!^_^

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 14 August, 2006, 05:44:07 PM

I thought you were quite reasonable there, Dxb. Unless I read you wrongly, you were saying that only a canute would really kick up about emoticons.
Of course, like the fcuking cnut he is, JB misread you completely

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 14 August, 2006, 06:05:42 PM

Exactly my point. The use of emoticons is simply an inoming tide in communication and it's not going to recede. You pretty much have to accept it. That's all I meant.

I like his comments about how for thousands of years we communicated without Emoticons why use them now? Well, yeah, we didn't use netspeak before the net...good point John. Even I've come to accept emoticons as a simple fact of net communication. I still hold against people using them as a fey knights pax but in the dawn of instant tect communication it's only to be expected that the language and form used is going to evolve.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 14 August, 2006, 06:16:26 PM

Most communication over the net is conducted as a kind of conversation. During an actual conversation, there are many non verbal clues as to the precise meaning of what is being said. These meanings are often lost over an internet connection, hence the odd winky here and there.

It's not a big deal and I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape over it.

Now TXT SPK on the other hand...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Oddboy on 14 August, 2006, 07:17:47 PM

He seems to believe that the English Language is something precious that cannot be allowed to change.

It's been changing since always... old English was far more akin to modern German than it is to modern English. Language is always adapting & changing & you can't actually claim that the version he leart at school is *more* correct then TXT SPK then it is *more* correct then the style Shakespeare used.

The difference is, accepting our selfish reasons for wanting language to stay in a specific way: I just plain don't like TXT speak, that's why I'm against it - not because I believe it to be less valid as a form of communication.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 14 August, 2006, 07:24:33 PM

I notice that he thinks it's perfectly acceptable to spell 'though' as 'tho', though. Double standards twat.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: JimBob on 14 August, 2006, 08:00:32 PM

He really is the Colonel Kurtz of the comic book world, even down to his tribe of brainwashed supporters.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 14 August, 2006, 08:22:00 PM

You must stick to the CORE CONCEPT of English!

With his aside that he's trained people not to use emoticons I was tempted to sign up just to spam all my post with smileys. And mentions of 'thought ballons'.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 15 August, 2006, 04:58:57 PM

apropos of nothing..

I just saw this on the web and it reminded me of someone

It shows our glorious leader, flawless in thought and deed, who's abilites cannot be questioned

the other is Bertie Ahern

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Proudhuff on 16 August, 2006, 02:50:07 AM

I wonder what he made of Bertie's english? ;p

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 16 August, 2006, 11:05:42 AM

..and 'through' as 'thru'

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 16 August, 2006, 05:02:23 PM

I hope this is to be my last word on Byrne but there was a thread about the X-factor lite series 'Americas New Talent' which sets out to find variety acts for the new millenium. In the thread the starter says 'You should go on JB, show them what REAL talent is'.

Now apart from the stupidity of someone going on a talent show and drawing a picture, consider the judges meeting The Chief. Piers Morgan, David Hasselhoff. Meeting John Byrne.

Anyone got a thermonuclear device?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 16 August, 2006, 05:52:50 PM

This almost defies logic. Unless you're looking for reasons to not tell the truth, of course.

Link: A classic in the making

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 16 August, 2006, 06:11:27 PM

It seems I can never leave...however now I can only stare at the screen in disbelief instead of call him on it.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bad Andy on 16 August, 2006, 07:37:19 PM

Stop bringing this up! ARRRRRRGGHHHHHH.

Incidentally, JB has got an average post count of around 50 a day. Does he do any work any more or just sit around his followers gaining manna from their praise?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Grant Goggans on 16 August, 2006, 07:43:13 PM

Okay, I'll bite... why have they banned the word "Marvel" from that forum?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 16 August, 2006, 09:05:56 PM

Because Marvel no longer exost. Sure a company with that name still produces comics with characters with similar names and appearances but, heck, it's not the real Marvel anymore. The House of Ideas has fallen and the corrupt, ralentless fools that lurk in the ruins have taken the proud name and made it into something not to marvel at but to be repelled by.

No, John doesn't do comics anymore. As of the latest issue of Atom he's concentrating on commision pieces until the passion re-awakens in him. 50 a day? I'm surprised he's not sped up recently.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 16 August, 2006, 09:18:30 PM

Mr Byrne now specialises in re-imagining* old covers and selling them to idiots on ebay

*tracing to you and me

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Artificial Idiot on 16 August, 2006, 09:21:38 PM

Because Marvel no longer exost. Sure a company with that name still produces comics with characters with similar names and appearances...

And to think, they don't even have Alan Moore working for them anymore!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 August, 2006, 10:14:07 PM

Byrne is no longer working...

Wonder if he'd be interested in small press...

Bolt-01- Slave to the core concept!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Byron Virgo on 17 August, 2006, 12:49:58 AM

Like you haven't got enough problems already...

Am I right in thinking that Byrne did cover art for some ELO albums? Are there no depths that man won't sink to?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 19 August, 2006, 01:37:14 AM

Talk of crossovers on this thread - somebodies gone and mentioned two of JB's bugbears - Alan Grant and painted (not inked like in the good ole days) artwork - how quickly will it bring the rabid masses....

Link: Crossovers? Pah!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: JimBob on 19 August, 2006, 05:33:24 PM

"My question for JB: This is America and our predecessors fought, bled, and died on foreign soil for your right to not accept an assignment for whatever reason you choose. As much as I would have liked to see you and George do it, for me to criticize your decision to not participate if asked, would be to dishonor the memories of those who protect our freedom."

Sweet baby Jesus. So to criticise or question anyones decisions is to dishonour the fallen soldiers of your nation? thats an "intersting" take on 20th century history. that board is a scary scary place.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 August, 2006, 05:46:57 PM

This is America and our predecessors fought, bled, and died on foreign soil for your right to not accept an assignment for whatever reason you choose.

If anything was going to dishonour the memory of your fallen soldiers, surely it's the conceit that what they actually died for was some bitter old man's right to refuse a comic assignment hundreds of years after they died? I think you'll find they were actually fighting to protect the lives of their families and the freedom of their land, you know, stuff that's actually important.

Holy Moses, can someone tell these freaks that comics are supposed to be fun?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Al_Ewing on 19 August, 2006, 05:47:15 PM

He's field-testing that idea so he can use it to never come out of his basement again.

"My decision to stay here forever stands, Mother. To question that decision is to question OUR TROOPS! Homeland Security shall hear of this!"

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Proudhuff on 20 August, 2006, 06:23:27 AM

Somebody ask him about Mina and Rankin, that should make him apoletic

Huffette

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 August, 2006, 07:35:48 PM

... And it's back! The Thread That Just Won't Die.

"So -- d'you suppose I will now have to suffer hearing and reading everything I have been saying for the last 20 years about how comics should be done being attributed to Morrison? sigh"

Cheers!

Jim

Link: You can't make this shit up

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 25 August, 2006, 07:55:08 PM

Byrne must have a PhD in missing the point!
A nice little bit of Batman dialogue is taken as proof of the writer's loathing for superheroes. I love the trollish and childish way he says 'bored now' (his code for being about to walk off) twice.

ummm, who are Mina and Rankin?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bico on 25 August, 2006, 08:54:11 PM

Love that "bored now" - like he expects the board members to jump when he says so. Not a million miles from my favourite asshole-ism of all time "I know what you are, but what am I?", which appears in paraphrased form on that board several times on the Morrison topic alone. Mind you, I laughed when I saw it used on this board recently, too.
You really can take this whole internet thing a bit too seriously, apparantly.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Satanist on 25 August, 2006, 09:27:04 PM

Why don't they just start a thread for everyone more successful than Byrne and then he can state where they went wrong.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Byron Virgo on 25 August, 2006, 10:47:41 PM

One day, at the End of Time Itself, there'll just be Byrne left at the centre of a whirlpool of bitter entropy, ranting about how God didn't appreciate his genius.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 August, 2006, 11:03:01 PM

God clearly doesn't understand the CORE CONCEPT, and doesn't treat the Universe with the respect that the old pagan Gods did when they first created it.

Running about with antler's on and worshipping genitalia - that's what deitism's all about - not this business about sacrificing only children borne to abused virgins when their husbands are away in order to proliferate organised hatred on a planetary scale - it's just far too dark.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 August, 2006, 04:42:58 AM

Sorry to bump this thread up again, but it's actually getting better. Byrne is getting tetchier, his fans are getting smarmier and the Morrison 'apologists' are getting stroppier.

'Tis all very entertaining ...

Cheers!

Jim

Link: Why Byrne is always right and everyone else is alw

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: TordelBack on 26 August, 2006, 06:13:29 AM

Dagnabbit, six beers later and I've signed up and posted on that thread. Curse you, Campbell.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 August, 2006, 06:28:43 AM

"Dagnabbit, six beers later and I've signed up and posted on that thread. Curse you, Campbell."

Oh, and the mighty JB has smote you from on high! How you are humbled for your expression of a reasonable point of view! Lo! Behold the exposure of your pitiful wrongness!

Are you sorry now? Curse you back, for doubting the rightness of The Byrne, in all his pronouncements ...

My God. What a pathetic arse that man proves himself to be with almost every post.

Sorry, TB! Didn't mean to suck you in to the frightful evil that is the JBF ...

Cheers!

Jim

PS - It is bloody funny, though.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bad Andy on 07 September, 2006, 12:04:01 AM

I really didn't want to ressurect this thread but after Tordelbach's quite reasoned posts which he self curtailed (the dirty hairshirt) over Byrne's comments on Steve Irwin, someone has gone postal.

What?s actually bizarre are the lengths people will go to defend the tasteless comments of your loathsome ?host.?

Not that his tasteless comments are at all surprising. Not even a little. John Byrne has built a reputation on having his foot inserted into that toothless mouth of his. (But it?s all built on lies, you see! No fault of his own. It?s all the sad boys out to get him! All the bad stories ? lies!) It?s rarely a surprise when Byrne shows just how sociopathic he is; when he displays his inability to be a decent person. Stories of his anti-social behavior have dogged him for years for a reason. Because he is. It?s simply a matter of waiting for what the specifics of the next instance will be, because you know for damn sure it?s coming.

The surprise is in watching the kind of verbal gymnastics some of you will go to in order to defend the utterly stupid things this small, small man says. Even sadder is that you?re apparently unaware of how embarrassed you should be by this.

?Well, Steve Irwin DID show poor judgment several years ago in an unrelated incident, therefore it?s understandable that John Byrne called a man an asshole hours after his death, said he was GLAD he was dead, and said he ought to have been SKINNED ALIVE.?

Glad he?s dead! Skinned alive!

And the folks you want to go after are those who say, ?Whoa, Byrnsie, you?ve gone too far"?

Are you really all that starstruck by a man who drew some pictures you like that you?ll rush to defend him when he gets called out on such comments? Is it really that important for you to show your loyalty to him that you?ll trot out that obnoxious ?it?s his house!? tripe to defend garbage like that? Pathetic.

Not just pathetic and embarrassing, but laughably unnecessary. He?s a big boy. We all know he has that edit button and that ban button. Unless he has his head crammed four feet up his own ass, he knows damn well that when he shows his true colors people are going to react.

Which is, maybe, part of the point.

The bottom line is, John Byrne is increasingly irrelevant in his chosen profession. He knows it, and you all know it, too. (Cue, ?That?s why the industry is dying!? comments.) One of the only things he has left, one of the last remaining things to draw attention to himself, is in letting the world see him for who he truly is: A bitter old crank with no social skills, no class, no grace, plenty of arrogant hypocrisy, and an inability to understand the consequences of his actions.

If he?s unable to withstand the criticism when he announces that a just-killed man should have been skinned alive in life ? and no doubt this, like countless other incidents, will become yet another ?I?m the victim here!? story by Byrne ? then maybe he ought to consider keeping his yap shut and stick to re-drawing 30-year-old pictures for a living.

But we all know that won?t happen.

And so his slide into laughable irrelevancy will continue unabated, and the world of comicdom will continue to look on with fascination, while the dwindling clingers-on jump through hoops to defend his latest idiocy.

At least no one can ever claim John Byrne did not earn his place in the world. ?Cause he sure as hell did.

Link: Kyle Baker sticks it to the man

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 07 September, 2006, 12:13:48 AM

Kyle Baker. Not just 'someone' but a man who's prepared to put himself in the line of potentially career damaging flack to say what needs to be said. Go out and buy one of his Plastic Man collections today. The one with the plastic cover perhaps.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Grant Goggans on 07 September, 2006, 12:24:29 AM

Kyle Baker!!! Awesome. Also, any one of Kyle's Plastic Man comics is worth more to me than Byrne's entire career.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: TordelBack on 07 September, 2006, 12:29:51 AM

I actually feel physically sick for participating in this business at all. Arguing passionately about how many links are in Dredd's badge chain, or whether Grant Morrison is a fraud, or Dave Sim a loon is one thing (well, three), but this is about a real tragedy for a young family, whose father should apparently be 'boiled alive'. It's just not funny, and I won't be returning to that forum again, ever. My GF and her brother (she's in animal welfare, he's in special effects) have actually met Steve Irwin (aside: and Dirk Benedict!) and were both well chuffed, and correspondingly upset this week, so he wasn't just a grinning loon on TV in our house. Rock on, Kyle.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 07 September, 2006, 01:00:34 AM

Reading that thread has made me feel like I owe Kyle Baker a pint. I particularly like the way he very kindly pointed out to everyone *why* Byrne isn't working in comics any more. Heh heh heh. :) John's responses to his posts were even more pathetic than usual. Not a phrase I've ever used, but it looks like John is very clearly being 'owned'. About time someone put that snaggle-toothed twat in his place.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: TordelBack on 07 September, 2006, 01:30:38 AM

I know what I said, I know I'm a lying hypocritical arse, but at least I know it, and after reading Wils post I just had to peek. And this is what I found:

Kyle Baker: "You define children as the enemy? So I understand, what you're sayingis : A war is not with a government, but with the population who are every one the enemy. Therefore, the ultimate goal of every war should be genocide."

John Byrne: "Do you honestly think it isn't? The "goal" of war is to defeat the enemy. The "enemy" is everybody on the other side."

My God. So, the 'goal' of the Allies in WWII was to exterminate the entire German people? I must have been mad to think the good guys won. At least Hitler would have spared the Aryans had he won (and, presumably, the swarthy Austrian shortarses). Does this apply to Gulf War I? The American War of Independence?

Does Byrne even know that he's holding a shovel, let alone when to stop digging?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: LARF on 07 September, 2006, 02:15:44 AM

Bloody hell.

I thought Skojo was a twat, but this guy is a bigger twat. Still they always say that everything is bigger in the good old USA, bigger cars, bigger buildings, bigger mountains, bigger cunts.

I cannot believe this guy is old enough to be my Dad and yet has the brains of a 12 year old. Please tell me drawing comics all your life does not make you the age of your target audience.

Why did I read those threads, they've just made me very angry.

Off now to mumble.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: WoD on 07 September, 2006, 02:40:36 AM

I'm a fairly nice guy...but...I want to punch this twat of an idiot.

And I'm sure that he could be sued for some of the things he posted.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 07 September, 2006, 02:50:32 AM

"Also, any one of Kyle's Plastic Man comics is worth more to me than Byrne's entire career."

Kyle Baker ... see also, his run on 'The Shadow' written by Andy Helfer (the preceding first six issues with art by Sienkiewicz are also great). Fucking fantastic.

You kinda got the impression that DC thought: "Well, Helfer is one of our editors so we should be able to trust him on his own ..."

Wrongo! That was a fantastically demented book. Someone tell me it's collected in TPB, please!

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Rex Banner on 07 September, 2006, 03:00:11 AM

It's not, & if IIRC the people who own The Shadow (Conde Naste?) objected to the way the storyline went & how the character was used which is why the series stopped leaving The Shadow as a head on a robot body. And also how the decidedly not as good Shadow Strikes series came about.

Also, it says in the thread that it's not Kyle 'Plastic Man' Baker. Just a Kyle Baker.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 07 September, 2006, 03:11:32 AM

... And now I've read to the end of the thread.

OM-fucking-G ... I'd genuinely been prepared to classify Byrne in a sort of "grumpy old bastard with some odd views but who I can retain a certain amount of respect for because I really like some of his work" category. [1]

But, I mean, fuck! What's wrong with this guy?

Cheers

Jim

[1] I'll admit, I haven't scoured the JBF for all his most loathesome utterances. I might have reached the same conclusion earlier if I had.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Rex Banner on 07 September, 2006, 04:14:56 AM

'A man has DIED, people. Whatever you thought of
him, let's at least let the body get cold before we start
spewing our witty little cracks. All such posts will be
(and have been) deleted.'

Scarily, John Byrne talks some sense. Alas, not about Steve Irwin.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: JimBob on 07 September, 2006, 04:16:21 AM

Byrne just comes accross as a complete tool in that thread. Why go out of your way to slag someoe off on the day he dies? isn't he old enough to get the concept of respect?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 September, 2006, 04:35:10 AM

I was going to post, but felt I really had to delete what I was writing. Frankly, the stupid old cunt just brings out the worst in me.

Maybe I should've just posted that?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: WoD on 07 September, 2006, 04:48:58 AM

The wife had a really good point...why read it if it winds you up...so...no more Byrne-bile-cultish-kiss arse-forum for me.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: LARF on 07 September, 2006, 04:54:44 AM

Aw Matt you should have.

You could have released your inner JEB... :-)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 07 September, 2006, 05:14:08 AM

500!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 07 September, 2006, 05:19:13 AM

Oh, and Matt, it's spelled Cnut.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: I, Cosh on 07 September, 2006, 07:37:21 AM

I was particularly impressed when Kyle Baker dredged up this favourite:

"Kyle who...?
***************
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
At least you've stopped lamenting the sorry state of your career.
Now go draw me an X-men cover from 30 years ago, art robot."

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 07 September, 2006, 08:07:17 AM

I vowed I's never go back but couldn't resist. Byrne and Germaine Greer must be psychically linked.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Trout on 07 September, 2006, 09:00:57 AM

It's not the Kyle Baker who does comics. The poster has now said so himself.

Hey, wouldn't it be funny if S*o*o joined that forum?

Hey, Scott, go and join Byrne's forum. Tell him all about The Rock!

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: synabetic on 07 September, 2006, 01:07:34 PM

You know, I have found this thread and it's links both very funny and more importantly: informative.

See, until today, I had no damned idea about Byrne's 'presence' (if you want to call it that) on the internet... and didn't really know much about him (other than some of his work).

All I can think on the matter is: "Wow. What a douchebag... Just. Wow."
And he (Byrne) did all the work for me (via his -awesome- lines of 'thought' in his forums)

Anyhow, thanks guys! :)

Cheers,
Steve

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: LARF on 07 September, 2006, 02:02:47 PM

It was the bit about him carging $4,000 for a cover that angered me. I mean talk about believing your own hype and shit, the guy needs bringing down a peg or two and hopefully this attitude will turn his sycophantic followers against him.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Leigh S on 07 September, 2006, 02:11:12 PM

I love the way he's confronted the seeming hypocrisy of his post from September last year, where he asked for a bit of respect for somne other dead guy - that is, he hasn't confronted it at all.

Being a consistent asshole is one thing - being an asshole who shifts his stance to match his own agenda is just that whole extra level abhorrent.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 September, 2006, 08:02:20 PM

I find it difficult to believe that the guy who said this hasn't been banned either:

Byrne: Heroes don't abuse children.

Joe Mayer: Sure, and how long did you beat your ex-wife before she left? I thought you were a writer and that is the BEST you can come up with?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bico on 07 September, 2006, 09:47:26 PM

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Byron Virgo on 07 September, 2006, 11:22:57 PM

Gotta love Byrne's Shitlist of Doom - longer than a chain made out all Mr. T's crazy gold n' bling.

Don't know why, but the following sentance had me in stictches last night, possibly because I never expected one human being to say it to another:

"So, do you retract your skinning comment then?"

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: LARF on 07 September, 2006, 11:50:07 PM

Does M***** refer to Marvel?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 07 September, 2006, 11:56:25 PM

Yes. Like the twin towers that collapsed on 9/11 the current management of Marvel has destroyed the house of ideas.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Leigh S on 08 September, 2006, 12:11:13 AM

I see he still isnt answering the direct accusations of hypocrisy there... I wonder why?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 08 September, 2006, 12:16:08 AM

Typical Byrnism, I'm afraid. When called on something he absolutely cannot defend, he resorts to "yawn", "bored now", or just pretends it isn't happening and goes on to talk more rubbish on some other thread.

I know I keep saying this, but I used to have genuine affection for a lot of his work. Now that I realise he's a cock, I doubt I'll ever look at any of his stuff in the same way again.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 08 September, 2006, 01:35:07 AM

Ooooh, there's a surprise- thread locked.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Byron Virgo on 08 September, 2006, 01:44:21 AM

I like Byrne's level of 'I know you are, but what am I?' comeback, as it makes intellectual dullards such as myself seem possessed of a positively Wildean wit in comparison.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bad Andy on 08 September, 2006, 03:20:12 AM

The way they keep referring to it as Byrne's living room really gets my goat for some reason. It's the internet. We don't have to be 'invited in'. It's more like a digital Hyde Park corner, which has its own Byrne interests speakers. People who register (and are allowed to stay) get their own soapbox and can join in, but everyone can still listen.

I like the other analogy though - It is a field outside his house. Everyone there has arrived through an interest in JB, who ocassionally leaves his house and interacts. As a new 'community' has been created, occasionally the community want to do something even if the person whose house their outside doesn't (should as talk about a person who has just died for example).

And, as members of the JB community want to do sometimes, they might throw rocks at the fucker's windows.

Hell, imagine what would have happened if we got banned for criticising Rebellion or one of the strips? None of us would be here.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: TordelBack on 08 September, 2006, 01:29:54 PM

"Hell, imagine what would have happened if we got banned for criticising Rebellion or one of the strips? None of us would be here"

Hmmm, to put it another way, if Rebellion went around making absurd racist statements, personally attacking other creators, and calling recently deceased family men assholes who should be skined and/or boiled alive, I don't think many of us would be here anyway. Well, maybe the hard-core Big Dave fanbase.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Woolly on 08 September, 2006, 02:51:41 PM

"Well, maybe the hard-core Big Dave fanbase."

I'll pretend i didnt hear that...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 09 September, 2006, 05:37:18 PM

>> Now go draw me an X-men cover from 30 years ago, art robot.

Heh. Given that Byrne says that no one who enters a work-for-hire contract should have any claim to said work, how is it he can justify plagiarizing comic book covers owned by Marvel, albeit those he has himself drawn, and then charge some muppet $4000 for 'em?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 09 September, 2006, 08:04:11 PM

Byrne has started a thread saying that actually in the face of a change of language form that the internet has precipitated that to stand against emoticons is useless and will make no difference. That's after banning me for saying the same thing. Funny old world.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 09 September, 2006, 09:02:09 PM

>That's after banning me for saying the same thing.

No I think he banned you because you called him a cnut.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 09 September, 2006, 09:22:12 PM

A well known metaphor for one who stands against an implacable tide. Pardon me for assuming he'd have a basic working knowledge of dark age monarchs of his country of birth.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 09 September, 2006, 09:48:36 PM

Given that Byrne says that no one who enters a work-for-hire contract should have any claim to said work, how is it he can justify plagiarizing comic book covers owned by Marvel, albeit those he has himself drawn, and then charge some muppet $4000 for 'em?

With this in mind I have asked a question of Byrne - wonder if he'll answer or duck?

Link: commissions, copying and copyrights

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 09 September, 2006, 10:41:39 PM

Fastest response evah!

Annoyingly, that sounds like a reasonable answer to me- although selling stuff on Ebay isn't quite the same as a commission, is it?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Leigh S on 10 September, 2006, 03:36:06 AM

Now all we need is for someone to corner him again about his lack of respect for Dredds core concept and we're away...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 10 September, 2006, 11:29:12 PM

My name is David X Brunt and I am a sick man. This made me laugh though.

Link: Gifted.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Trout on 11 September, 2006, 05:56:46 AM

For. Fuck's. Sake.

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 12 September, 2006, 05:33:42 PM

I love the way that he's even rude to even his most sychophantic followers when the mood takes him...

Gaaah! Must... leave... place... alone!

Link: nob

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 13 September, 2006, 02:23:36 AM

Byrnes greatest work.

Link: Oh rooty.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 16 September, 2006, 02:28:34 AM

Trying to:
a) pimp 2000ad and
b) cause a stink amongst the JBF faithfull.

I give you...

Link: Tooth the ultimate Eurocomic?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: pbouca on 16 September, 2006, 09:07:12 AM

> Trying to:
> a) pimp 2000ad and
> b) cause a stink amongst the JBF faithfull.
>

I don't see how would you "cause a stink" just by
expressing your opinion in a clear and educated
manner. Anyway, as you no doubt have seen, I gave
you some help with the 2000AD pimping. I love the
magazine!

Best,
Hunter (Pedro BouÃ§a)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 12 October, 2006, 03:25:45 PM

Poor old JB. He didn't have an answer when I made a nonsense of one of his arguments last week, but he quietly suspended my membership (for no reason that I can see) today.

It must sting a bit when your career's in the shitter and you know full well it's your own fault- and I guess the most he can look forward to is banning people from his forum when they make him look like a bit of a twat.

That and the "re-imaginings" on Ebay...

:)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 12 October, 2006, 03:38:39 PM

banning people from his forum when they make him look like a bit of a twat

Because that's *his* job. I've a feeling that every now and again he trawls through posts to see if there's anyone with an opinion that isn't his and bans them on the spot.

Although rather disturbing, I can imagine him hunched over his computer, whipping himself up into a frenzy, wearing nothing but food stains and a dirty pair of kex, a massive pile of his old comics and Izal toilet paper behind him.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 12 October, 2006, 03:50:41 PM

Heh- you make him sound like "Richie Clatt, Internet Twat"...

God, what a pompous old prick.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 12 October, 2006, 04:07:42 PM

The thing is, he *does* look like he stinks, and probably of the overpowering stench of his own crotch.

A while ago, he said that he wouldn't go swimming at his house as he lives alone, but I reckon it's really because him jumping into a swimming pool would have the same effect on the water as dumping 4-hundredweight of Coco-Pops into it.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Byron Virgo on 12 October, 2006, 04:13:00 PM

But I'm guessing that when the the pool turns brown, it ain't cocoa...?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 12 October, 2006, 04:19:57 PM

John Byrne in "living alone" shocker...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: thinky on 12 October, 2006, 04:20:13 PM

as someone else said a while ago (and i can't be bothered to track it down), this is the thread that just keeps on giving

every time it makes a reappearence, i need to go back and see what's going on

coco-pops indeed!

thinky

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 12 October, 2006, 04:23:57 PM

"He didn't have an answer when I made a nonsense of one of his arguments last week"

Which one? I think I must have missed it amidst the brain-melting horror that was the gun control thread ...

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 October, 2006, 04:39:20 PM

However on that one Byrne seemed to be on the verge of sanity.

He's recently asked people not to refer to anyone else as JB no matter what their initials...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 12 October, 2006, 06:19:05 PM

He was bleating on about how 'his' Kitty couldn't phase anything other than herself and how other writers have added to her powers over the years, so that she can phase other people and/or objects.

As usual, when faced with the horrifying concept of being wrong, JB resorted to pretending I wasn't there (like children do in the playground), while a couple of his minions pitched in for him instead.

To be honest, I enjoyed shutting that Fulton wanker up more than anything else...

Link: Nonsense, of course...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 October, 2006, 07:20:04 PM

Oh, and he mentioned the other day how he took umbrage at editors revising comic book history...but presumably he's allowed to do that with impunity

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 12 October, 2006, 09:48:34 PM

As much as the subject is serious, and he has made some very salient points that I agree with, I couldn't help but think 'quick! somebody pass him a revolver!!'

Link: In a perfect world, he would have one in seconds..

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 17 October, 2006, 09:24:59 AM

Making me appreaciate Wake more and more...

Link: quibble quibble moan sneer

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Dudley on 17 October, 2006, 11:39:16 AM

Erm... you wish he'd commit suicide? Because he's the sort of unpleasant man who says nasty things on the internet?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 17 October, 2006, 12:14:03 PM

Hmmm... Personally, I'd lament the loss of an excellent (when he can be bothered) artist, but I'd find it extremely difficult to feel any real remorse at his passing either. He makes it very easy to actively dislike him all the time, as opposed to when he's just being unpleasant (which is a lot of the time, actually).

Needless to say, I wouldn't call him an "asshole" in his own RIP thread or anything...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 17 October, 2006, 12:18:22 PM

I bet you'd use the word "nob", though. ;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Emperor on 17 October, 2006, 06:36:30 PM

An interesting article on Byrne by Erik Larsen.

Link: Larsen on Byrne

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 17 October, 2006, 07:22:54 PM

Yeah, read it the other day. Somebody even posted a link to it on the Byrnster's forum. It was up all of about five minutes.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 20 October, 2006, 11:13:03 AM

"Yeah, read it the other day. Somebody even posted a link to it on the Byrnster's forum. It was up all of about five minutes."

Funnily enough, this resurfaced yesterday evening, garnered about a dozen replies, and seems to have vanished again this morning.

Boy, those Byrne guys sure is touchy, ain't they?

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 24 October, 2006, 11:32:59 AM

I know it's wrong. I know I've made equally obvious mistakes. It's still made me laugh.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: TordelBack on 24 October, 2006, 12:15:32 PM

Damn, those cosmic rays can be hard on the hands...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 24 October, 2006, 12:22:36 PM

Although I'm not exactly fantastic with anatomy, what the *fuck* is going on here?! Her head's huge in comparison to the rest of her and her right arm looks broken at the elbow for a start.

No doubt one of his little ego-wankers will pay 5 grand for it on Ebay, though.

It's nice to see that after all these years, John can *still* draw exactly the same face as he gives everyone else.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: M.I.K. on 24 October, 2006, 02:59:33 PM

Um... and then there's the fingers, Wils. Count them.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 24 October, 2006, 03:05:14 PM

Oh dear.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 02 November, 2006, 06:03:36 PM

Testify!!!!!

Link: Third post down.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 02 November, 2006, 06:26:39 PM

Aside from the scary sychphantism, it reads a bit like it's been written by Bizarro, doesn't it?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 02 November, 2006, 08:18:41 PM

Heh... That gives me a terrible idea...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 02 November, 2006, 08:30:57 PM

Heh.

"He am best tracer in whole world. He magic spell to all fans. Byrnezarro #32561 am love John... in sexual way."

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Radbacker on 03 November, 2006, 01:22:32 AM

wow, as a total non artist even I can see thats hardly a good picture. I thought Sue Storm was supposed to be hot? oh wait thats probably the Latino hoar one from the movie which in no way reaches back to the core concept of Sue Storm being a middle age mutant(WTF is with those hands) slapper!

CU Radbacker

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 03 November, 2006, 09:23:07 AM

Byrne would have us believe that this Sue Storm is based upon his wife at the time.

What nonsense- she doesn't have two black eyes for a start...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bolt-01 on 03 November, 2006, 10:29:55 AM

JEB: What is the story with that? I've not heard it?

Bolt-01

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 03 November, 2006, 10:58:22 AM

I've just noticed her neck's like a fucking giraffeâ??s

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 03 November, 2006, 10:59:50 AM

Time to come clean: I don't actually know. I keep hearing vague (and one not so vague) references on Byrne's forum about him beating his wife. I was kind of fishing and hoping that somebody else might know and elaborate.

I mean I'd just go and ask the guy myself, but I'm not hopeful for a straight answer...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 03 November, 2006, 11:05:28 AM

If he modelled Sue Storm on his wife you think she'd be well able to defend herself

what with having extra digits, elongated arms and all

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: TordelBack on 03 November, 2006, 11:38:48 AM

"I mean I'd just go and ask the guy myself, but I'm not hopeful for a straight answer..."

Depends how you phrase it. "Why did you stop beating your wife?" springs to mind.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 03 November, 2006, 02:32:19 PM

What nonsense- she doesn't have two black eyes for a start...

Now that gives me a fucking *awful* idea... ;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 03 November, 2006, 04:09:43 PM

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 03 November, 2006, 04:15:26 PM

You're a very bad man.

Shouldn't have done, but it did make me snicker.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 03 November, 2006, 04:16:48 PM

I shouldn't laugh...

;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 03 November, 2006, 04:38:59 PM

HATE CRIME

;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 03 November, 2006, 04:39:55 PM

hmm, not wanitng to rain on the parade...i wonder could this open the site up to legal action..#
wake?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Woolly on 03 November, 2006, 10:47:38 PM

'hmm, not wanitng to rain on the parade...i wonder could this open the site up to legal action..#
wake?'

Pah! Any court in the known universe would agree that John Byrne is a cunt and deserves all he gets!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 03 November, 2006, 10:53:27 PM

Tbh, I would've left the original pic linked if attention hadn't been drawn to it that way. Talk about putting ideas into people's heads... :s

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 03 November, 2006, 11:13:02 PM

"Pah! Any court in the known universe would agree that John Byrne is a cunt and deserves all he gets!"

You can't argue with logic like that, your honour!

;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 04 November, 2006, 09:29:19 PM

And now Byrne and his apologists argue that it's entirely right and proper for the Big Man to do exactly what he slated Moore and Morrison for doing, in the posts which started this thread.

I've been biding my time with a few innocent little posts on the JBF, but I don't think I'm going to be able to let this one pass ...

Cheers!

Jim

Link: http://byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15348&PN=1&TPN=1

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 04 November, 2006, 10:03:15 PM

Heh. I've still got the edited Sue Storm pic, if you feel the need to post it there. ;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Concrete Block 15 on 04 November, 2006, 10:26:34 PM

Ah, perchance to dream...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 04 November, 2006, 10:38:20 PM

Blue touchpaper lit. Retiring to safe distance ...

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Emperor on 04 November, 2006, 11:55:37 PM

I will probably never be able to show my face around here again but I do find myself agreeing with some of his points like his post on the first page (03 November 2006 at 10:34am):

"Wouldn't it be interesting if Batman did this (completely odd and out of character thing)"

***

That's precisely the fanzine mentality I have been referring to lately. The approach to writing these stories, especially superhero stories, has always begun with "Wouldn't it be interesting ifâ?¦' That's pretty much the whole point, in fact. But what seems to have slipped away in recent years, as the thinking has become more fan-like and less, yes, professional, is the important second part of that question -- the part where somebody says "Yes, it would be interesting -- but where would we go from there?" So you can rip out Spider-Man's eye and put him in spider-armor and have him reveal his identity to the world -------- but where do you go from there?

Short-term thinking has become the rule.

I expressed similar concerns over on 2000 AD Review about Millar's run on The Authority especially "The Nativity." Good enough story in its own right, great advert for Millar (which paid off in spades) and pretty much scuppered The Authority - where do you go once you've shown that individual members of The Authority can beat all the other big superhero teams?

I'll go to confession tomorrow and ask for absolution.

Onbviously there is also a lot of cobblers being talked too ;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...
Post by: Chris H on 05 November, 2006, 12:58:42 AM

I wonder if Byrne is thinking "deconstruct" whilst knocking out a sly one?

Sounds like a wanker to me...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 05 November, 2006, 01:27:11 AM

Perhaps unsurpisingly, when being called on spouting contradictory hypocritcal bullshit, the members of the JBF have been remarkably quiet.

I have pointed this out to them.

Further bulletins as events warrant.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Emperor on 05 November, 2006, 01:39:25 AM

I noticed a number of folks calling him on it and I suspect it is his Achille's Heel and he doesn't have much come back on that one as he doesn't have a foot to stand on.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 10 November, 2006, 05:25:45 PM

Things are about to change over at the Jay Bee Eff...

The rules are about to get a lot more Orwellian for starters.

Link: A tighter reign

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: Wils on 10 November, 2006, 05:33:47 PM

What a fucking twat.

Repost time, methinks...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: Emperor on 13 November, 2006, 01:34:20 PM

DC is planning on bringing back some Elseworlds titles in late 2007. DCâ??s intent is to avoid saturating the market with dozens of these titles, like they did in the past, and work to make them a special event produced by high profile creative teams.

At least two one shots are in production at DC right now. On a side note, my source at DC also says that John Byrneâ??s Generations 4 â?? a Batman / Superman Elseworlds series of mini series set in â??real timeâ? â?? has become an office joke at DC. Byrne has pitched it at least once a year for the last few years and has gotten rejected at every turn. Staffers expect Byrne to give it a go again, but at this stage no one at DC wants to see another instalment of this series or pretty much anything else that features John Byrne as a writer.

Link: http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/116336584813633.htm

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits......
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 13 November, 2006, 02:14:18 PM

I'm not obsessed but read down here for John Webbs post. Art in particular should take note.

Link: Precious moments

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits.........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 26 December, 2006, 12:40:47 AM

John Byrne, 25th December 2006, getting in the festive mood.

"You are perhaps forgetting that we live in a "Christian Society". Almost minute to minute we are bombarded with Christian mythology, which, of course, most Christians do not recognize as such, it is so ingrained. But consider: even something as simple as saying "God bless you" when someone sneezes (a reflex action for most people), is "shov(ing) religion" in that person's face. Same thing if you say "Damn it!" or "Go to hell". The fact that we have become used to and even casual about such phrases does not alter their religious content."

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Concrete Block 15 on 26 December, 2006, 12:52:06 AM

Jesus H Christ, what a goddamned twat. Good heavens above.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 26 December, 2006, 02:20:06 AM

regardless of one`s position in the discussion on wether `happy Christmas` and `bless you` constitute and unwarranted imposition of religious beliefs, it`s funny to read about JB punishing a convention audience for saying `bless you` when he sneezed (he punished them by thinking about walking off, then not walking off but answering their questions "and not a word more". That`ll show those "bless you" saying Christian hegonomists!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 December, 2006, 03:13:18 AM

Does Byrne not realize that in western society we also constantly take the piss out of Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Buddah, religion etc. in many ways, scatologically, sadomasachistically et al.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 26 December, 2006, 07:19:55 PM

John Byrne is a fool.

That is all.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 26 December, 2006, 08:35:33 PM

John Byrne, 25th December 2006, getting in the festive mood....

...sat at his computer, probably only wearing a pair of crusty, piss-stained Wolverine underpants (age 9-10), completely and utterly alone in the house for the entire festive season.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 01 January, 2007, 02:09:49 PM

From the same All the Rage link in the Prog 1526 thread:

'Frank Lauro, a John Byrne Forums member, attended the funeral of Gregg Allinson, a well liked person from the same boards, and presented a print-out of all the forum memberâ??s condolences and well-wishes to the family of Gregg. John Byrne, as this story goes, banned Frank (on Xmas, no less) for his actions (as he considers JBF Material to be copyrighted stuff) and as a result, supposedly, some members and even two moderators â??quit in disgustâ?.'

Just when you think the twisted, bitter cunt has reached a new low, he goes and takes it yet another step down. What an evil, fucking twat he is.

Link: All the Rage

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 01 January, 2007, 02:56:40 PM

I cannot read that forum for too long without feeling not just a bit like going on a minigun rampage. The fella is an absolute disgrace and if this is what it is to be a comic affiliater you can keep em.

What a fucking cunt.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Concrete Block 15 on 01 January, 2007, 03:17:34 PM

Maybe Byrne should have dragged his own unemployed arse to the man's funeral instead, then.

And caused a scene. Can you imagine?:

"This punk always pissed me off. I'm glad he's dead! Anyone want a Cyclops and Phoenix sketch for $650?"

What a fucking, FUCKING cunt.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Concrete Block 15 on 01 January, 2007, 04:44:54 PM

I have it on good authority (no, I didn't see it myself) that at 8:12am on Christmas morning, John Byrne woke up - presumably in an empty mansion - and posted a new message thread on his forum, entitled "Six Things I Want for Xmas", thus:

1. For posters to stop using the phrase "Am I the only one who...?"

2. To never again see a post that begins "When I saw the title, I thought this thread would be aboutâ?¦"

3. No more posts that take another poster to task, only to be concluded with "â?¦unless you meantâ?¦"

4. No more posts answering questions directed specifically to me (how many times must I ask this?)

5. No more posts that begin with "Actuallyâ?¦" followed by opinion rather than something "actual".

6. Peace on Earth.

The thread in question has subsequently been taken down. Nonetheless, this was his Christmas morning priority; to reprimand and have a dig at his loyal followers. Can you think of anyone throughout the course of human history who has been so bedeviled by these issues that it is on their mind on Christmas morning?

I wonder if he's actually more angry about his own life situation, and is lashing out at his followers because there's no-one else who will listen to him? It comes across as a desperate plea for emotional assistance, a cry for help, and I seriously doubt that there's anyone in his life besides his followers on that damned forum... and how much longer is that going to last, with his increasingly ever more bizarre and obnoxious behaviour?

His increasingly more probable suicide now means that John Byrne officially tops my Dead Pool list for '07 - Happy New Year, folks.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Art on 01 January, 2007, 08:43:58 PM

A quote from the Vs John Bryne thread, post 2994:

Okay, this following post is a straight quote from the Quesada board since the original thread no longer exists:

Byrne posts "6 Things I Want for Xmas":

quote:
1. For posters to stop using the phrase "Am I the only one who...?"

2. To never again see a post that begins "When I saw the title, I thought this thread would be aboutâ?¦"

3. No more posts that take another poster to task, only to be concluded with "â?¦unless you meantâ?¦"

4. No more posts answering questions directed specifically to me. (How many times must I ask this?)

5. No more posts that begin with "Actuallyâ?¦" followed by opinion rather than something "actual".

6. Peace on Earth.

Matt Linton responds:

quote:

1. An end to "stealth bannings" like those of Ian Evans and Frank Lauro. Two posters who contributed positively to this forum, and in Frank's case, went above and beyond the call of duty in recent days.

2. A lessening of the negativity here, and elsewhere, on the internet.

3. An end to mindreading, red sweater wearing, and hypocrisy, which more often than not comes from the top down on this forum.

4. No more posts being deleted without a reason being given.

5. An end to members being accused of having agendas, of being trolls, of attempting to earn "merit badges", of being fake fans, or generally being belittled for having opinions that differ from those of our host's (most often by our host). Part of opening your "home" to guests is being hospitable.

6. People treating each other with respect.

(A regular poster recently passed away. When Frank Lauro learned that he lived fairly close to where the funeral was going to be held, he suggested going there to represent the whole community, something the posters brother thought was a nice idea. A couple of days later he had been banned with no explanation)

The thread (not so) magically disappears into thin air, and is replaced by a new one, where Byrne lists:

quote:
1. For posters to stop using the phrase "Am I the only one who...?"

2. To never again see a post that begins "When I saw the title, I thought this thread would be aboutâ?¦"

3. No more posts that take another poster to task, only to be concluded with "â?¦unless you meantâ?¦"

4. No more posts answering questions directed specifically to me. (How many times must I ask this?)

5. No more posts that begin with "Actuallyâ?¦" followed by opinion rather than something "actual".

6. For people to remember whose "house" they're in.

7. Peace on Earth.

Oh, and a funny picture.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 01 January, 2007, 11:48:51 PM

Surely John Byrne is one of the most pathetic and miserable wretches alive and (nearly) working in comics today?

I know I keep saying it, but... well, you know*...

*cunt.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Trout on 01 January, 2007, 11:51:54 PM

Yep. It's a word that could have been invented just for him.

It is faintly worrying, though. He is SO nasty and objectionable that I can't help seeing parallels with Sc*j* here, in terms of mental health.

Surely someone so twisted has something wrong with him in the head?
Should he be seeking treatment?

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: synabetic on 02 January, 2007, 03:08:14 AM

I certainly hope Byrne take me up on my offer. The word I tend to use for him is "dick", but I would still be fair in my questioning of him on All the Rage.

Cheers,
Steve

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 02 January, 2007, 09:29:38 AM

I see that naughty 3po pic has been removed- dopes anyone else have it?

please?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 January, 2007, 07:46:39 PM

Pffft...

Link: Miserable Fuck...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 07 January, 2007, 07:49:01 PM

what a cunt

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Wils on 07 January, 2007, 08:03:18 PM

"I had a very specific reason for
shutting down the Chat Room here at
ByrneRobotics...people had their own opinions about things and I couldn't censor what they said fast enough, and we can't have that."

As usual, what a deplorable, miserable old cunt.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 January, 2007, 09:24:38 PM

Byrne really is like a sore tooth to us. We can't stop touchin' it.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Concrete Block 15 on 07 January, 2007, 09:32:04 PM

I'd love to punch it out, though... which, if there's any justice in this world, is what somebody did to his:

Gappy cunt.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 January, 2007, 09:48:52 PM

I almost feel sorry for him lookin' at that picture, in a hanging of Saddam Hussein kind of way.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Concrete Block 15 on 07 January, 2007, 10:05:39 PM

ROPE BYRNE!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Trout on 07 January, 2007, 10:19:53 PM

Trout barrels? Nothing to do with me...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Proudhuff on 08 January, 2007, 02:47:35 PM

We really do need a edited highlights of the 'Thoughts and sayings of Chairman Byrne'.

By the way thats an ugly word for a lovely thang

Huff

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Buddy on 08 January, 2007, 07:30:21 PM

John Byrne, lovley??

Horses for courses I suppose...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: abc warrior on 01 May, 2007, 12:35:42 AM

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: abc warrior on 01 May, 2007, 12:39:32 AM

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 01 May, 2007, 08:22:53 AM

He was moaning about "creatively bankrupt' writers hitting the rewind button" to undo all of his glorious works the other day.

The words 'doom' and 'patrol' sprang instantly to mind.

More amusing than that is the fact that he used to advocate hitting the rewind button as being the best thing for modern comics. Until people started doing it to him, of course...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 06 May, 2007, 11:52:20 AM

>> Just been banned. I likened Johns actions to a well known Saxon monarch and he took offence.

Heh. And yet, barely one month later, one Knut Robert Knutson of Norway was allowed to join the JBF.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 06 May, 2007, 01:57:19 PM

I know, astonishing isn't it?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 October, 2007, 12:20:38 PM

I know, I know, it's like picking at a scab but the mention of Byrne in the Leeds thread inspired me to check in and see how he was.

No change.

Today he's grumbling at the lack of thorough thought in a Powerpuff girls vs Marvel heroes cross-over.

Link: What's that? No fingers?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Trout on 12 October, 2007, 11:52:21 PM

Not his greatest offence but, yes. He's a dick.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: paulvonscott on 13 October, 2007, 12:08:35 AM

I think this thread is about 600 posts long, and I've never had anything to contribute till today.

I'd just like to say that I had always assumed C3P0 was bent.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 13 October, 2007, 12:24:37 AM

The look in 3-PO's eyes says more than words could ever hope to express.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Darryl on 16 October, 2007, 05:08:03 PM

I go away for nearly 12 months and this thread is STILL live!

That's got to be a record surely?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 16 October, 2007, 05:21:18 PM

Just looking at those pictures again, did he say he was in his forties? Even if he's in his fifties I dread to think what he must of been doing to end up like that.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 22 January, 2008, 02:20:47 PM

He's at it again as reported by Rich Johnson on Lying in the Gutters:

ITEM! A close death in a family is a tragic thing. With such raw, personal emotion, people can find solace in what is comfortable to them. Such as message boards. I remember being surprised the first time I saw someone posting online about this kind of thing hours after it had happened in a peculiar context regarding a television show. It's probably not healthy, you need proper personal contact, but it's human, understandable and not the kind of thing you'd point out in an insensitive fashion to the person involved.

Unless you're John Byrne that is.

"No. Sorry, but no. I fully appreciate how much "trouble" I will get into for this, but no. I cannot let this pass without comment.

"Using the only hours past death of your own mother to make a point about a comicbook story?

"There are not sufficient words in the English language to properly express my disgust."

Link: Byrne Speaks His Mind

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Bolt-01 on 22 January, 2008, 02:32:58 PM

You know, even if the guy did just say his mom had died to further an argument (No opinion either way and only read the first page of that thread) there is no reason for Byrne to publicly say so.

His mouth is full of strange...

Bolt-01

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 22 January, 2008, 02:58:27 PM

If you keep on reading the thread quickly degenerates into name calling. Bad Byrne indeed!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 22 January, 2008, 03:35:11 PM

I had to laugh when Byrne asked a poster to name three 'Bad Byrne' stories. The guy responds with three, seemingly without even having to warm his brain up. The result? Those quotes were obviously taken out of context.

Yes, John. Whatever you say. Context: the mantra of the moron...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Richmond Clements on 22 January, 2008, 04:43:24 PM

Possibly the greatest internet post ever:

Quote:
And thus He becomes the Anti-Byrne, immortalized for His One Good
Deed, while all the months of sniping, contrariness and
confrontationalism are conveniently forgotten.

Well, I was, in fact, not happy when I read about his little funereal
adventure. Someone who had copped the attitude he did on this Forum
had no business "representing" the Forum in any form. However, the
morning I hit the "last straw" it was four or five threads before I got to
the one about the funeral.

Bullshit.

Frank never "copped the attitude he did on this Forum " Hell, he supported you in all manner of things. He disagreed with a couple of things you did that were BLATANTLY HYPOCRITICAL and you refused to own up to it. He called you on your shit, and you ignored it like an abused pussy. He was never shy about expressing his opinion, and was by no means a rabble-rouser or troublemaker here. The only "representation" he offered at that service was to the members of the forum, the majority of whom would probably have liked to attend but could not, for practical reasons.

He was shocked when he could not log in here and post.

No Warnings, No "Hey, dude, your getting on my nerves, back down a bit". Just "Fuck you, you're banned!" (pretty much like you do most of the people here who get wished into the cornfield.)

I know Frank , I communicate with him on a daily basis. I knew him here as well, and you, John Byrne, "could not be MORE WRONG. You could TRY, but you would not be successful".

His banning cost you 2 Moderators here, who tried to reason with you, but you basically told them to "fuck off", that "this was YOUR forum, and you'd do as you pleased!". Even though one of them went to the trouble to set this whole fucking place up for you.

So don't play the victim card John. Don't play the "They're out to get me game", or the "Sad Boys and Trolls like to fuck with brilliance because they are jealous" card. The fact is, you are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. You blast fellow creators for doing things you've built your career on. You berate your fans in a backhanded way, hoping they don't catch on to it, and you say things that contradict things you've said in the past.

You act like a little tin god here, and as long as you have folks here who will line up to get abused by you, and then suck your dick to get your approval, all the while not realizing you despise the very fact they exist, you'll keep on keeping on.

I've lurked here for a LONG time, and I see it, even though I was a fan of yours. Hell if the majority of the folks here would get off their knees, and pull their tongues out of your ass, they would see it too. But knobody wants to admit that "the Emperor Has No Clothes!"

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2008, 08:49:48 PM

that's telling him.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: johnnystress on 23 January, 2008, 09:16:23 AM

aaarggh- that forum

I know I shouldn't read it but...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Proudhuff on 23 January, 2008, 04:38:13 PM

Who needs Corry when we have this...
Did the Byrne baby reply?

Huff

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 24 January, 2008, 06:43:00 AM

Sadly, the thread got back on topic but only after another five or so pages of, admittedly, horrifyingly entertaining accusations, counter-attacks, and justifications.

What seems to elude Byrne and his apologists is that, it's not his INFORMED opinions that raise people's ire, but the manner in which he expresses them.

Do I think that Latino women all look like whores if they dye their hair? No, but nor do I think that Jessica Alba makes for a convincing blonde.

Just because something is and can be justified, doesn't make it right.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 24 January, 2008, 08:31:56 AM

Car-crash Internet.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: vzzbux on 25 January, 2008, 10:40:00 PM

Spotted this in a compulsive simpsons comic purchase by my bro inlaw.

He is such a well respected character.

V

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 17 February, 2008, 01:56:16 PM

Sorry to revive this thread yet again, but ...

Erik Larsen has signed up to the JBF and an entertaining little tiff is developing in the thread linked below ...

Cheers!

Jim

Link: Handbags at Dawn!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 17 February, 2008, 08:38:37 PM

Heh- I've been reading that. Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. could do with a right proper kicking...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 23 February, 2008, 08:45:35 PM

The swipe thread's got me hooked. And no mention of Liam Sharpe.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: maryanddavid on 23 February, 2008, 10:56:51 PM

Jesus, Ive never looked at that before.
Brain melting shit! Have these people no lives?
Strangly addictive like the 'Guess the word'quiz on ITV after 12!

David

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Matt Timson on 24 February, 2008, 06:47:37 PM

I'll pay good money to the man who brings me the head of Joe Zhang. Who sometimes posts as Eva Bright.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 February, 2008, 09:30:41 PM

I fear my days in the heady environs of the JBF may be numbered. It all depends on the answer to the question below ... :-)

Cheers

Jim

Link: ... Said the Spider to the Fly ...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: satchmo on 26 February, 2008, 09:41:33 PM

You're playing with fire there, Jim!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 February, 2008, 11:05:41 PM

"You're playing with fire there, Jim!"

Hmm. Not biting, I notice. No matter, there's a number of angles I can come at this one from. I can wait and - let's be honest - it won't be long before JB utters something else that's patently nonsense ...

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Rob Spalding on 28 February, 2008, 12:41:13 AM

However, in another thread he had a perfect breakdown of what was wrong with the Dredd movie.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits...........
Post by: Leigh S on 28 February, 2008, 08:37:43 AM

D'you have a link?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 20 July, 2008, 11:53:20 PM

Aaaand ... we're back!

They just can't help themselves over on the JBF, at least not where Alan Moore is concerned.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/foru ... PN=1&TPN=1 (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26754&PN=1&TPN=1)

i don't think I pitch up until about page five, but I'm curious to see just how much ill-informed, opinionated shite I can shoot down before they close the thread or ban me ...

Cheers

Jim

PS - I now officially declare this board - Just Like Old Times.

PPS - Timson? Oh, Timson? I think the JBF is pining for you ... have you changed your IP address since the last time they kicked you out?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 21 July, 2008, 12:57:34 AM

That was Fun reading.

Is it me or is John Byrne a little bit annoying ?
He doesnt say much but its obvious that its just sour grapes on his part as he cant wait to belittle the film and Alan Moore but then finds out he is massivly outnumbered by just about everyone and he just makes the odd silly quip after that and gives up.

I dont know much about him [ :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ? Mr Green looks good but i dont know if he is appropriate.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Buttonman on 21 July, 2008, 01:18:05 AM

God knows why you bother Jim. To argue with people who say 'watchmen couldn't be any worse' and 'Moore is a hack' and to paraphrase 'Kubrick has little merit' seems a pointless exercise. Let them wallow who gives a shit?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 21 July, 2008, 01:26:40 AM

Baiting John Byrne is sssoooo 2006.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 21 July, 2008, 09:15:38 AM

The arguement about wether Watchmen or from hell is a gn or a comic book is a stupid one and a waste of time.so what if it was released in comic book format and then collected into a G.N.The material is no different and it all adds up to the same thing ultimatly.

First you get part 1 then you get part 2 then you get part 3 then you get etc etc etc.Put it all together and you get a book .

Amazing !!!!!

All novels have chapters.

What is his problem ??

He tries to say it is a "Comic" not a GN as if that is some sort of putdown.In other words he uses a format that he publishes his own work in and then says if someone else does the same thing and then collects it into a GN it shouldnt win awards because its a Comic not a GN.

Stupid arguement started by a Stupid Egotistical Childish Dickhead.

He is sabotaging himself with his attitude.

Its bad policy to attack other artists in the same field in an attempt to make yourself look good and feed ones own ego.

I dont like the Beatles apart from maybe 2 songs but it would be stupid to say that The Beatles are Shit when its obvious that if you know anything about music they are not Shit.

God am i tempted to join that forum !!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 21 July, 2008, 09:40:44 AM

Quote from: "Jim_Campbell"Aaaand ... we're back!

They just can't help themselves over on the JBF, at least not where Alan Moore is concerned.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/foru ... PN=1&TPN=1 (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26754&PN=1&TPN=1)

i don't think I pitch up until about page five, but I'm curious to see just how much ill-informed, opinionated shite I can shoot down before they close the thread or ban me ...

Cheers

Jim

PS - I now officially declare this board - Just Like Old Times.

PPS - Timson? Oh, Timson? I think the JBF is pining for you ... have you changed your IP address since the last time they kicked you out?

I just can't be bothered, to be honest. I find old toothless far less irritating than some of the drooling morons that rush to get on the right side of his (often) quite stupid and illogical opinions.

I particularly detest Al Cook, who I would quite cheerfully punch repeatedly in the face, if I thought I could get away with it- so I was particularly pleased to see you mop the floor with his ludicrous argument, wring it out and slap him in the face with it.

"Get over it." Yes, Al. Best comeback to a collapsing nonsensical argument, ever. Cretin.

:roll:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 21 July, 2008, 09:54:38 AM

Quote from: "Victor R Rogers"While the commies imploded a few years after Watchmen do to their own incompetence. A genius should of seen that coming.

Is this guy mental? The character of Adrian Veidt might be a genius- but he's also not real. It's a story- written by a bearded bloke from Northampton- not the last prediction of Nostradamus.

God, the reasoning power in that place makes my brain bleed.

And I see that Emery Calame has now joined the 'fray'. Things can only deteriorate. Quickly.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 21 July, 2008, 09:57:17 AM

Oh- and nice of Robomod to accept your apology and explanation, Jim. Must be nice to be the bigger man...

:lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: johnnystress on 21 July, 2008, 05:44:19 PM

"A genius should of seen that coming."

should have, for the love of god, have!

call me petty if you must

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 22 July, 2008, 12:33:26 AM

As predicted- Emery ruined the thread and now it's (gasp!) gone.

:roll:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 22 July, 2008, 12:59:15 AM

(//http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z122/peterwolf_album/Picture1-2.png)

Not tempted to join at all not with nonsense like that.I would get banned.

"Hey Numbskulls dont argue and do what the fat little big headed beardy man says !! OK ?? GOT IT ?? "

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 22 July, 2008, 11:03:53 AM

Does Byrne really post that? That's awful.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 22 July, 2008, 12:22:15 PM

Quote from: "Matt Timson"As predicted- Emery ruined the thread and now it's (gasp!) gone.

So it has.

Shame. The last thing I did before I went to bed last night was post a response to Enema Calamity's apoplectic reply to me that was designed to push as many of the dickhead's buttons as was humanly possible.

I was looking forward to seeing whether I could actually get his head to explode.

Oh, well ...

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: jock on 22 July, 2008, 01:56:33 PM

//http://jamessime.com/byrne.jpg

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: LARF on 22 July, 2008, 02:01:13 PM

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 22 July, 2008, 03:01:46 PM

Heh...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 24 September, 2008, 08:35:07 AM

. . . Thankfully, the fun seems to be continuing in the Watchmen 2 thread.

Delaney Clark more than deserved that shooting down, Jim.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 September, 2008, 09:25:10 AM

Quote from: "Eric Plumrose". . . Thankfully, the fun seems to be continuing in the Watchmen 2 thread.

Delaney Clark more than deserved that shooting down, Jim.

Heh ... I really only seem to be there as Defender-of-the-Bearded-One ...

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 September, 2008, 09:19:46 PM

Quote from: "Eric Plumrose". . . Thankfully, the fun seems to be continuing in the Watchmen 2 thread.

Delaney Clark more than deserved that shooting down, Jim.

Ho hum. Another thread nuked. Funny it seems to happen every time I'm visiting the righteous smackdown on some semi-literate fuckwit with a bug up his arse about Alan Moore.

I've been biding my time, waiting to set off my little metaphorical hand grenade, but don't honestly know if I do this undercover stuff any more ...!

Meh.

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 25 September, 2008, 01:53:54 AM

Screen grabs are your friend.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 September, 2008, 02:04:43 AM

Quote from: "Matt Timson"Screen grabs are your friend.

Hmmm ... yes, now that they've nuked my thread complaining about them nuking my threads, I kind of see that. I almost feel compelled to start a thread pointing out the irony of the fact that they nuked my thread complaining that they nuked my thread, and see if the recursive irony causes the universe to implode.

Perhaps I should contact the Daily Mail - it might distract them from the Large Hadron Collider for a couple of days.

However, this would still not have give me the pleasure of seeing the responses of Emily Calamari or Delaney Whatever-The-Fuck-His-Name-Is to my crushingly reasonable responses to their foam-flecked apoplectic responses to my original suggestion that Alan Moore is not, in fact, the Anti-Christ.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2008, 04:13:43 AM

Not to beat the dead horse here, but I need to jump in. Byrne has made a complete joke out of himself, and his "points" about Watchmen are laughable.

Silly Byrne. :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 25 September, 2008, 09:40:47 AM

The pricks on the Byrne board are spying on you, Jim!

//http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24070&PN=1&TPN=319

QuoteHey everybody. I just found out on the 2000AD board that my new nickname is "Enema Calamity".

LOL!

LOL indeed...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 13 October, 2008, 04:37:37 PM

Well, that told you, Jim :roll:

Are you really as bitter as they seem to think you are?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 14 October, 2008, 12:52:39 PM

Quote from: "Eric Plumrose"Are you really as bitter as they seem to think you are?

Yes. Yes, I am.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 14 October, 2008, 12:57:44 PM

Poor Emery- he really is quite mad and will burst into a rant at the drop of a hat. I imagine he's one of those people that foams as he fumes, his eyes like marbles spinning endlessly in their sockets, like reels on a fruit machine. Pointing out the folly of his quite warped logic has provided me with hours of entertainment- the absolute zenith of being a legend in your own mind...

:lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 14 October, 2008, 01:02:39 PM

Quote from: "Emery"Jodi I think it's funny that someone out there has the free time (and interest) to be my comic book board nemesis.

I think Emery has confused 'nemesis' with 'clown'...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 29 November, 2008, 12:08:14 PM

Anything fun stuff happen over there with the Batman carry on? I've tried to navigate round that board but life's too short!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 31 January, 2009, 07:45:02 PM

Oh noez! Jim's treachery has been discovered!

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/foru ... ?TID=30084 (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30084)

And it only took 4 months...

:lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 31 January, 2009, 07:49:43 PM

Quote from: "Matt Timson"
Quote from: "Emery"Jodi I think it's funny that someone out there has the free time (and interest) to be my comic book board nemesis.

I think Emery has confused 'nemesis' with 'clown'...

How embarrassing- I only just realised that I placed myself in the role of clown...

:lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 31 January, 2009, 07:51:05 PM

[spoiler]www.myspace.com/smegma666[/spoiler]

With a handle like that I'm sure he must be a delightful young man.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: SamuelAWilkinson on 31 January, 2009, 08:05:08 PM

It's nice that we have another comics-related board to be at war with.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 31 January, 2009, 10:29:31 PM

Thread was nuked- move along.

8-)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 31 January, 2009, 10:30:46 PM

Quote from: "Matt Timson"Thread was nuked- move along.

What did I miss?

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Dandontdare on 31 January, 2009, 10:48:52 PM

Ahh it's nice to be back here - I've just spent a depressing half hour browsing the JB site and I feel....dirty.

What was the heinous crime that got deleted so rapidly? From looking at JB's rules, and it could be just about anything!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 31 January, 2009, 11:16:26 PM

I find the whole look of the forum really unattractive.Everything about it but mostly the Byrne Robotics backdrop.I cant look at it for very long.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 01 February, 2009, 10:29:45 AM

Quote from: "Godpleton"[spoiler]www.myspace.com/smegma666[/spoiler]

With a handle like that I'm sure he must be a delightful young man.

Check out some of his artwork ... he appears to be working through some ... issues.

I'm particularly amused by the innocent way he mentioned "Googling his own name", which would be fine except you have to get to about page five of the search results to find my offending post ...!

Big thanks to gnilleps for providing me with a screengrab of the nuked post. I have e-mailed the gentleman in question in hope of setting the matter straight.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 01 February, 2009, 06:47:01 PM

The only surviving record (not my screen grab).

It was the thread title that particularly cracked me up: "TRAITOR"
:lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 01 February, 2009, 06:48:31 PM

Quote from: "Jim_Campbell"
Quote from: "Godpleton"[spoiler]www.myspace.com/smegma666[/spoiler]

With a handle like that I'm sure he must be a delightful young man.

Check out some of his artwork ... he appears to be working through some ... issues.

I'm particularly amused by the innocent way he mentioned "Googling his own name", which would be fine except you have to get to about page five of the search results to find my offending post ...!

Big thanks to gnilleps for providing me with a screengrab of the nuked post. I have e-mailed the gentleman in question in hope of setting the matter straight.

Cheers!

Jim

Bah! Must read ahead more...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 01 February, 2009, 06:51:16 PM

Quote from: "Matt Timson"Bah! Must read ahead more...

I had missed the "traitor" thing ... hilarious.

I'll let you know if anything develops ...!

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 01 February, 2009, 06:56:16 PM

It was on page 9 for me. Riveting search.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: WoD on 02 February, 2009, 05:12:51 PM

I LOVE the internet...it's BRILLIANT!

Man oh man - I'd love to see some of the agressive people actually meet up in person - just to see the bravado dissapear like a rat down a drain pipe (a rat made of jelly springs to mind for some reason).

Please keep it up.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 02 February, 2009, 05:54:04 PM

50 says Campbell could take him.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 02 February, 2009, 05:59:53 PM

Ooooooooooh...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 02 February, 2009, 06:24:27 PM

They should make a baby.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Kerrin on 02 February, 2009, 06:36:59 PM

So who is this John Byrne anyway? I thought he was the scottish artist fella with the big 'tache. And I reckon Jim could have Johnny Cash as well, hell even I could have Johnny Cash, he's been dead for awhile now, it'd be a pushover.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 02 February, 2009, 07:00:02 PM

I like the way he uses the F word, but for some reason stars out c**ksuckers.

Now, if I was a psychologist...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 02 February, 2009, 08:21:22 PM

What's funny for me is that another 'TRAITOR' :lol:

"I don't want your pompous writings to enter my email" ought to be some kind of internet meme. I think we should all thank Delaney Clark for being a genuinely funny guy.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 02 February, 2009, 08:28:20 PM

"by the way, i am not semiliterate, this is how i prefer to type on the computer. i apologize if this thread is out of line, i am just pissed.
< ="text/">_popupControl();" [from the deleted post]

I dont know anything about all this and its not my business either but i laughed after reading the above comment.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: M.I.K. on 02 February, 2009, 08:29:25 PM

I wonder if it's possible to make springs out of jelly...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 02 February, 2009, 08:30:45 PM

Quote from: "smegma"I didn't use the f word. It was a quote from a c**ksucker. See the quotation marks? If you were a psychologist you would have noticed.

Actually, no.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 02 February, 2009, 08:32:42 PM

"semi-literate f*****t" was in quotes though. Maybe you got confused with that?
8-)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Kerrin on 02 February, 2009, 08:36:45 PM

So, this John Byrne fella, does he actually have anything to do with robots?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 02 February, 2009, 08:36:54 PM

Quote from: "smegma"Wow. You just can't keep out of my business. Sorry, Jim, I am not into guys. Go screw yourself. You even have a problem with me Google searching my own name? It was not a riveting search. I found you stupid shits crude remarks on the second Google page. There are different ways to use Google. You did not email me, and I don't want your pompous writings to enter my email anyway. I would just prefer if you mind your own business and leave me out of it. I can like/ dislike any writer I choose. Everyone does not need to confirm to your arrogant ways. I see you are a big talker behind your security blanket of a keyboard. I would like to see you call me a "semi-literate fuckwit" to my face. So, maybe I do have issues, or maybe I like different things than you c**ksuckers.

Wow back atcha. On the off-chance that you just can't stay away, Delaney ...

1) Nothing you post on public forums on the internet is "your business".

2) "I am not into guys" ... well, I did mention the 'issues'. I have no fucking idea where you got that from.

3) Yes, I damn well did e-mail you. Twice. Primarily to refute the claim that I have ever suggested that people are not entitled to have a negative opinion of Moore's work. I will take them to task for having stupid reasons for disliking Moore's work; for wilfully misreading the texts; for making judgements about the personality of a man they've never met; for blaming Moore for every single thing they dislike about the current state of the industry; but I have never suggested that Moore is beyond criticism.

Now, I don't know whether your JBF profile directs to a defunct e-mail address (mine did until yesterday, which I hadn't realized), or whether my mails are sitting in a spam-trap somewhere, but there's not much I can do about it either way.

4) I didn't actually call you a semi-literate fuckwit. I didn't actually mention you by name in any of my posts. I was, however, very, very angry when I made the post which so thoroughly put a bug up your arse. If you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed that my post was dated several months ago. Cast your mind back - would that have been when I was subjected to some very personal abuse on the JBF from more than one board regular because I had the temerity to call bullshit on some utterly ridiculous claims being made about Moore and his work? You know what, I think it might have been.

5) I offered you an apology, Delaney, if you believed that what I was saying was directed at you because, to the best of my recollection, it wasn't. Are you man enough to accept an apology?

By the way, I like Johnny Cash.

Have a nice day, now.

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Grae the puppetmaker on 02 February, 2009, 08:42:44 PM

Erm, has Mr Smegma dropped unconcious across his keyboard?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 02 February, 2009, 08:44:29 PM

Quote from: "Grae the puppetmaker"Erm, has Mr Smegma dropped unconcious across his keyboard?

I assumed it was some dead clever code that means we're all ninnyhammers. Or something.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: M.I.K. on 02 February, 2009, 08:47:34 PM

Doesn't seem quite right in the head to me.

Now as I was saying, springs made of jelly....

I mean like the curvy type of metallic springs not the watery type. Jelly would probably clog those ones up.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: I, Cosh on 02 February, 2009, 08:50:17 PM

Interesting that the American John Byrne has almost as silly facial hair as the real one.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 02 February, 2009, 08:58:57 PM

I like him.

Can we keep him?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Kerrin on 02 February, 2009, 09:05:46 PM

I think springs made of jelly would be viable at the correct temperature though they'd have a limited shelf life. Of course if you used the jelly as it comes out of the packet as opposed to diluting it you'd have a better chance.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 02 February, 2009, 09:36:43 PM

An apparently totally random selection of letters.

Are you supposed to make words out of them or re arrange them in alphabetical order?

What can it all mean ?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: SamuelAWilkinson on 02 February, 2009, 09:49:24 PM

Quote from: "peterwolf""by the way, i am not semiliterate, this is how i prefer to type on the computer. i apologize if this thread is out of line, i am just pissed.
< ="text/">_popupControl();" [from the deleted post]

I dont know anything about all this and its not my business either but i laughed after reading the above comment.

I really hope you were laughing in agreement, Johnny Calls-The-Kettle-Black.

On another note: oh noes! He has posted an image of Johnny Cash swearing! This will teach us the error of our ways, and no mistake. Teach us, oh mighty Smegma, how to be as rakish and clever a card as you!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: satchmo on 02 February, 2009, 09:54:28 PM

Nice cretin-work there, I guess they train their mentalists well at planet Byrne...

Can you remember "when did I say this was meant to be fun? Ever?" :lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 02 February, 2009, 10:04:17 PM

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Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 02 February, 2009, 10:11:05 PM

Quote from: "Matt Timson"
Quote from: "smegma"I didn't use the f word. It was a quote from a c**ksucker. See the quotation marks? If you were a psychologist you would have noticed.

Actually, no.

Actually, yes. I was reading your guff wrong. My mistake.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Tiplodocus on 02 February, 2009, 10:44:36 PM

Bloody Hell, Timson, this is the Internet.

There's no need to apologise or anything.

Just pretend you didn't amkle a mistake, call the other person a name and then keep twisting and weasling your words until it makes no sense to anybody with the slightest idea of how the English language and logic and reasoned arguments actually work.

Or just keep typing and typing and typing mince until people lose the will to live.

Either works fine for me.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 02 February, 2009, 11:30:45 PM

Quote from: "Tiplodocus"Bloody Hell, Timson, this is the Internet.

There's no need to apologise or anything.

Just pretend you didn't amkle a mistake, call the other person a name and then keep twisting and weasling your words until it makes no sense to anybody with the slightest idea of how the English language and logic and reasoned arguments actually work.

Or just keep typing and typing and typing mince until people lose the will to live.

Either works fine for me.

Contrary to popular belief, I'm always happy to admit my mistakes- whether they have to be pointed out to me, or if I realise that I've erred myself. It just doesn't happen very often because I'm usually right.

8-)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 03 February, 2009, 07:30:36 PM

Actually he is usually right.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 03 February, 2009, 07:41:58 PM

It's worth pointing out that, if I'm taking the time to argue with you, you're probably wrong. People could save themselves a lot of time and effort- not to mention the pain of humiliation- by embracing this simple truth.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 04 February, 2009, 02:43:41 AM

Another Charles Manson / Satan worshipper all the way from Hicksville USA. [yawn]

He probably listens to records backwards to hear hidden subliminal messages.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 04 February, 2009, 07:30:23 AM

Quote from: "Matt Timson"It's worth pointing out that, if I'm taking the time to argue with you, you're probably wrong. People could save themselves a lot of time and effort- not to mention the pain of humiliation- by embracing this simple truth.

I, for one, have always taken that for granted.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 04 February, 2009, 12:36:07 PM

Oh be quiet, Brunty...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Tiplodocus on 04 February, 2009, 12:38:32 PM

I've just given a Time Management presentation at work (Twenty Two Top Time TIps) and now wish I'd found time to include that one.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: LARF on 04 February, 2009, 01:25:37 PM

This thread is wonderful. I've spat coffee over my keyboard twice whilst having lunch and just had to remove Muller Rice from my spacebar* I'd love this guy to come on the board and fight his corner.

* The wonders of wireless keyboards is that you can pick up and lick them.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 04 February, 2009, 01:28:01 PM

The New Alan Moore Interview thread's already gone!

Heh. Jim, did you even get chance to contribute to it?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 04 February, 2009, 05:36:07 PM

Quote from: "Matt Timson"Oh be quiet, Brunty...

Yes, sir.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 04 February, 2009, 06:37:58 PM

Quote from: "Eric Plumrose"The New Alan Moore Interview thread's already gone!

Heh. Jim, did you even get chance to contribute to it?

I did indeed. You can tell by the fact that it isn't there any more ...

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 05 February, 2009, 06:34:57 AM

Bloody Christ, there were only three posts. None of which I could read despite the thread title having survived the initial nukiller strike.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 23 July, 2009, 08:01:16 PM

I know I shouldn't, I really, really shouldn't, but ...

Apparently Alan Grant is one of those blasted avant garde new kids from across the pond who likes to mess with Merkin Comic Books for no good reason. (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32311&PN=2&totPosts=32)

These bloody newcomers, messing with the CORE CONCEPT of sacred texts like, um, comic books.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Lord Running Clam on 23 July, 2009, 08:17:36 PM

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at how John Byrne casually dismisses a host of Demon stories just because the writers have him speaking in rhyme if it means he can have another pop at Alan Moore.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 23 July, 2009, 08:24:49 PM

QuoteThis is not a popular interpretation with many on this board.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Grae the puppetmaker on 23 July, 2009, 09:50:37 PM

My guilty little habit: I now lurk around the Byrne Robotics forums daily, just to observe the occasional outbursts of grumpy 'It was better when I was a lad'-ness & Moore/Morrisson/Loeb/'Insert creator's name here', has destroyed comics rants that pop up every now and then.* ::)

*(To be fair, not all of them are from John Byrne, quite a few of his posters seem to keep buying comics just so they can complain about them)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Emperor on 23 July, 2009, 10:50:52 PM

Saved for posterity:

QuoteOf course, that was what so many of the Brit writers gave -- and continue to give -- us, wasn't it? Strange for the sake of strange. Don't look for logic, common sense or even tangible plot threads. As long as it's straaaaange it will be enough!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Dandontdare on 23 July, 2009, 11:07:55 PM

Yeah, it was always the logic and common sense that drew me to comics....

The man really is an arse isn't he?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 24 July, 2009, 12:45:43 AM

John Byrne clearly has an axe to grind about UK comics and writers etc.

I dont know why because he has never clearly stated exactly what his problem is and instead you just get snide comments posted on a forum and i get the impression that he thinks that he is funny when he isnt.

He is good at what he does if you like that sort of thing and he has his following on his grey joyless silly little forum.

I spent 2 minutes reading that thread and that was enough.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: uncle fester on 24 July, 2009, 09:04:39 AM

Christ on a bike, that forum looks oppressive. Lots of nodding dogs and a planet-sized ego ruling over them. George Orwell would've been proud.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 24 July, 2009, 11:04:02 AM

"Nodding dogs" is a good way of putting it. So it "cocksuckers". They seem to spend quite a lot of time pandering to the opinions of someone who is, demonstrably, a cock.

I quite liked the Grant/Ennis run of the Demon and have been filling gaps lately. I think it's fun - yes, even Harry the "quadriplegic" pillow. Sheesh!

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 24 July, 2009, 01:24:35 PM

QuoteI quite liked the Grant/Ennis run of the Demon and have been filling gaps lately.

Damn it Trout, it's not about enjoyment, it's about rigid adherence to core concept. After all, when did JB ever say this was supposed to be fun? It's comics, man, comics - not some form of entertainment!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 24 July, 2009, 02:02:14 PM

Well, it's obvious there's no fun to be had on his website.

Those "fans" must cry themselves to sleep at night.

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 24 July, 2009, 04:47:07 PM

apologies if someone has posted this before, but:

QuoteAt the time there were protests...... but DC applied the age old rule of simply not printing those letters.

- John Byrne

Hmmmmm. A bit rich, perhaps.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: SuperSurfer on 24 July, 2009, 08:36:46 PM

Can't say I thought too much of Byrne's attempt on Dredd in the Sci-Fi Special of 1983 (I'm sure this has been discussed a million times already). He didn't capture the meaness and imposing presence of Dredd. Dredd looks more like a rookie. Typical Dredd quote on that last panel by Wagner / Grant: "Next year we use the riot foam before the game starts!"
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_f5CeYHsQgt8/R1wn-I2jwEI/AAAAAAAAAXI/pOLqExtcSE0/s320/byrne3.jpg)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Leigh S on 24 July, 2009, 09:58:12 PM

that page has not a single background feature! I'm no John Byrne, but surely you'd feel obliged to sketch something in, if only not to make it so apparent you weren't bothering...?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 25 July, 2009, 12:33:31 AM

wow, i never knew John 'Our Host (with capital letters on his own forum)' Byrne drew Dredd. in fact, i never heard of him till a couple of months ago. but from what i can see, his attitude screams bitterness and envy towards alan moore, which is a bit ridiculous.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: SuperSurfer on 25 July, 2009, 01:25:06 AM

He sure did draw Dredd. Here's more:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f5CeYHsQgt8/R1wnDo2jwCI/AAAAAAAAAW4/wP8jX8JIyCI/s1600/byrne1.jpg)

Found it on Paul Rainey's Prog Slog.
http://progslog.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 25 July, 2009, 01:41:17 AM

The Byrne Dredd appeared in what (I think) was my first Sci-Fi Special, and I liked it at the time, and to be honest I still do. It takes every artist a while to get their eye in on Dredd, and that was a good show for a debut.

Byrne's always been a good artist. I loved his work on The Fantastic Four, and for proof that he still has it, check out his current Star Trek series. It's just a shame he comes across as such a complete gobshite, displaying all the manners of a turd.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 July, 2009, 09:12:43 AM

Quote from: TordelBack on 25 July, 2009, 01:41:17 AM
The Byrne Dredd appeared in what (I think) was my first Sci-Fi Special, and I liked it at the time, and to be honest I still do. It takes every artist a while to get their eye in on Dredd, and that was a good show for a debut.

I agree, and a better stab at the character, and his world, than I've seen from any other American artist*. He's a fine artist, a superb draughtsman and an excellent storyteller ... but he does seem hellbent on coming across as the most miserable, curmudgeonly old bugger on the internet.

Cheers

Jim

* Didn't read many of the DC Dredds, so I stand to be corrected on that.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 25 July, 2009, 09:18:37 AM

QuoteHe's a fine artist, a superb draughtsman and an excellent storyteller

Indeed, which makes his attitude to, well, everything, even more of a tragedy. Imagine if he had all that talent and manners too! He could take over the world, instead of being content to squat in the corner of his dark internet cave and complain about all.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Bolt-01 on 25 July, 2009, 09:35:45 AM

I still love Byrnes artwork and would love to have a set of scans of the Dredd pages- I've no longer got the comic but I have a real fondness for it.

Though Leigh hit the nail on the head about his lack of backgrounds- it is something he is known for doing and something I find myself chiding SPressers for doing as well.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 July, 2009, 10:03:21 AM

Quote from: Bolt-01 on 25 July, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
I still love Byrnes artwork and would love to have a set of scans of the Dredd pages- I've no longer got the comic but I have a real fondness for it.

Though Leigh hit the nail on the head about his lack of backgrounds- it is something he is known for doing and something I find myself chiding SPressers for doing as well.

There are decent quality scans of the whole thing in the Gallery section of Byrne's site, Bolt ... you'll find Page 1 here. (http://www.artofjohnbyrne.com/gallery/index.php?album=unsorted&image=judgedreddpg01.jpg)

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 25 July, 2009, 11:02:07 AM

Most of his commissions (particularly the single figure poses) that he does these days make my eyes bleed.

And he's a cock.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Bolt-01 on 25 July, 2009, 11:26:19 AM

Cheers Jim.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 25 July, 2009, 11:30:29 AM

Quote from: His Lordship rac on 25 July, 2009, 09:18:37 AMIndeed, which makes his attitude to, well, everything, even more of a tragedy. Imagine if he had all that talent and manners too! He could take over the world, instead of being content to squat in the corner of his dark internet cave and complain about all.

The facial fuzz is all that separates him from Marv Wolfman's version of Lex Luthor. No, not the one credited to THE TEEN TITANS' typester, the version Byrne rejected in favour of his own.

'Outside the Mainstream, on a high horse . . .' (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=2&T1=Questions+about+Comic+Book+Projects#31)

Jay-B even had his own Lois Knowles, recently.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Grant Goggans on 25 July, 2009, 01:47:38 PM

I noticed Byrne's remarkable lack of backgrounds in the 1980s a little earlier this year when Dark Horse reprinted his Indiana Jones comics. I guess when you had to churn out 40 pages a month, something had to give, yeah?

http://hipsterdad.livejournal.com/589700.html

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Emperor on 25 July, 2009, 03:01:51 PM

Quote from: TordelBack on 25 July, 2009, 01:41:17 AM
The Byrne Dredd appeared in what (I think) was my first Sci-Fi Special, and I liked it at the time, and to be honest I still do. It takes every artist a while to get their eye in on Dredd, and that was a good show for a debut.

Yes I was especially struck by that story and spent ages when on holiday trying to create a board game based on that sport - I put a lot of time in and I seem to recall it was all a bit rubbish in the end :(

Byrne's art on it is odd with hindsight - he clearly put a lot of time and effort in on some scenes but then clearly rushed through an awful lot of others (although I think it is interesting the way he just drew a line for the heads of the crowd in a couple of panels, as it helps keep the focus on the two main characters, who would have been lost otherwise). What strikes me as odd now looking at the story now (thanks to Jim for the link) is the way Dredd appears to be an alien on one page (http://www.artofjohnbyrne.com/gallery/index.php?album=unsorted&image=judgedreddpg10.jpg), despite doing a good job on an early page (http://www.artofjohnbyrne.com/gallery/index.php?album=unsorted&image=judgedreddpg02.jpg). He looks like a not quite human species that appeared in things like Star-Lord.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 25 July, 2009, 04:34:36 PM

It's not the fault of Moore (or any other Brit for that matter) that your star has very much faded in recent years, John. Maybe try being better rather than bitter? That might help.

The board in general is vile. Reading everyone else's posts is like interrupting Byrne being fellated by multiple strangers. Reading Byrne's posts is very much like witnessing a charismatic preacher telling his flock how to think and what to believe. Unpleasant.

I wonder if anyone has mentioned THIS board to him. He'd HATE it here.

Maybe someone SHOULD....

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 25 July, 2009, 04:37:22 PM

I like the way nearly everyone is able to be objective and constructvely critical or show their appreciation of JBs work and keep that entirely seperate from the apparent shortcomings of his personality.

I just think that this sets a very good example and speaks volumes about the quality and conduct of those who post on this forum.

Perhaps JB might visit this forum and see this for himself and learn something from it.

I dont like his work at all but nonetheless it is very good.Its nothing personal but his work just has that generic US style about it that i just dont get on with because i find it lacks depth somehow and that indefinable something that draws you into the art and makes you want to look at it and study it.

I just find it a bit bland TBH.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 25 July, 2009, 04:55:22 PM

Quote from: mikegloady on 25 July, 2009, 04:34:36 PMI wonder if anyone has mentioned THIS board to him.

This very thread stormed its own British* invasion of the JBF.

* Imperially-speaking, of course.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Paul faplad Finch on 26 July, 2009, 11:17:12 PM

Jesus, this thread just ate my weekend. 50some pages here plus all the threads linked to on the JBF - which of course is insanely addictive in it's own right- mean that I've barely moved from the spot except to fetch food, go to the lav and sleep. Proof positive that the internet can rot your brain.

I have two things to say.
1)Byrne needs psychiatric help and so do some of his "fans".
2)It's killing me not knowing what went on in those
later links.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 August, 2009, 04:45:13 PM

Ah, well ... Thus ends my time on the JBF, it would seem.

After disagreeing with Byrne over one of his ill-tempered and ill-conceived potshots at Alan Moore (again) on this (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32742&PN=1&totPosts=158) thread, The Chief made a separate post (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32754&PN=1&totPosts=8) about .sigs in violation of the forum rules, and simultaneously, my own .sig vanished from my JBF posts.

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/JBFBefore.jpg)

I think you'll agree that the above post is polite, non-confrontational, and makes a reasonable case?

I return an hour later and discover that the thread now looks like this:

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/JBFAfter.jpg)

Note the point where JB opines "But sometimes it seems that hoping people will exercise restraint, as well as obey the rules, is asking too much."

Apparently, asking whether the rules have changed is verboten on the JBF, since I have now been banned.

You'll note that this is the same forum that allowed this thread (http://byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27014&PN=161&TPN=1) to continue for 17 pages whilst its author shamelessly promoted an anti-Muslim hate tract.

Ah ... John Byrne, we hardly knew ye!

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 August, 2009, 05:52:09 PM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 August, 2009, 04:45:13 PM
I think you'll agree that the above post is polite, non-confrontational, and makes a reasonable case?

I don't think that statement could in any way be argued with. Restraint is precisely what you showed.

Regarding your customary sign off, I've always liked that it might "mute" any real or percieved grumpiness. The man is, as this thread has proven over and over again, a complete no-bend.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 26 August, 2009, 06:16:30 PM

I'm astonished you lasted so long, Jim!

Well done for fighting the good fight, as long as you were able.

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 August, 2009, 06:21:20 PM

Whilst I agree that JB is a consorious dickwad, I also hate sigs and would like to see the back of them - I always confuse them with the text of the post and they make scanning down multiple threads quickly more difficult. Why are they there? A quote or motto can be added under the avatar, they just get on my tits.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 August, 2009, 06:23:55 PM

I'd never thought of that before DDD.

My sig is now history. Let others see my example and follow.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 26 August, 2009, 06:38:49 PM

I don't tend to notice them. I didn't even realise I didn't have one until Dandon't posted. Oh well.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 August, 2009, 07:18:59 PM

DAMN IT!

Tried to join, just so I could enjoy the fun of this board with more of an investment (and maybe gain a little notoriety as a flashing blade of wit and wisdom, pricking the bubble of the bubbled, yes I'm that sad) but 'twas not to be.

I've only got yahoo, google and hotmail accounts (personal, business and abandoned respectively) and John doesn't like these so-called "anonymous" emails (mine isn't, it's my almost unique name). Apparently there has been a lot of "abuse" in the past.

Let's skip past John's "abuse" issues without any purile jokes if we can? I've already made the best ones in my head and there's no need to share them.

Fair enough, John, you may have been in line for a spot of what YOU might call "abuse". But it would have been polite, considered, intelligent and totally unanonymous abuse. And it wouldn't have been real "abuse" at all, merely something along the lines of what Jim and the others were doing. I've no interest in signing up just to say "o your krapp u r" or be unpleasant in any way.

Still, even a reasoned debate would probably count as "abuse" to Mr Byrne. Ho hum.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: I, Cosh on 26 August, 2009, 09:15:52 PM

I've just been reading Miracleman for the first time and it turns out JB was right. Everything you know is a lie.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 26 August, 2009, 10:16:17 PM

If you look at the 2 screenshots closely the dates and times that those comments were posted are completely different.

Not only that but on the second screenshot you will notice that JB has somehow been able to travel backwards in time all the way to December 30th 1899 to doctor the thread and delete the post .

Amazing !! how does he do it ??

Forum member David Braun no post or dictat issued by JB is complete without a sycophant immediately following] was apparently sucked into the same wormhole and he is stuck in the year 1899 as well.

Also somehow JB was able to post his reply to forum member David Braun who posted his comment at exactly the same time as the initial JB post at the beginning of the thread.

There is definately something going on with the space/time continium in that thread.

Quite interesting really.

Looks like you were banned at just the right time or you would be about to be celebrating new years 1899 with an 80 yr wait for prog 1.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 August, 2009, 10:18:36 PM

Quote from: The Cosh on 26 August, 2009, 09:15:52 PM
I've just been reading Miracleman for the first time and it turns out JB was right. Everything you know is a lie.

Hey, The Chief is always right. Always. Never forget that. We love you, JB. I've strapped explosives to myself and I'm off round Tom Brevoort's house.

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Grae the puppetmaker on 26 August, 2009, 10:28:40 PM

Quote from: King Trout on 26 August, 2009, 06:16:30 PM
I'm astonished you lasted so long, Jim!

Well done for fighting the good fight, as long as you were able.

- Trout

I must concur with Trout!

I will miss your attempts to inject sanity to the JB Forum. I still consider it a daily 'must read', but in the same way as people will slow down to stare at a car crash.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 27 August, 2009, 12:17:01 PM

Just following other people's links that rat hole is enough to rot your mind- you're best off out of it, Jim.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 August, 2009, 12:19:23 PM

Quote from: Matt Timson on 27 August, 2009, 12:17:01 PM
you're best off out of it, Jim.

I know, I know ... but now I need a new hobby!

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 27 August, 2009, 12:35:50 PM

Bah! I knew I shouldn't have, but I just read that't last thread Jim lonked to... fuck me, that man is a knob.
But what's worse are the bllody twats hanging on his every (contradictory) word. Sad, sad place...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 27 August, 2009, 04:05:59 PM

hey Jim I got as far as this classic hoot from the country of Fox News...

Yeah, but that news coverage is almost always slanted to the left and it rips off the humanity and heroism of those who are fighting on our behalf.

and gave up, you did well to hang in there , I'd have lost the will to live.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 27 August, 2009, 06:01:52 PM

Quote from: Proudhuff on 27 August, 2009, 04:05:59 PM
hey Jim I got as far as this classic hoot from the country of Fox News...

Yeah, but that news coverage is almost always slanted to the left and it rips off the humanity and heroism of those who are fighting on our behalf.

and gave up, you did well to hang in there , I'd have lost the will to live.

Maybe it's just as well they won't let me in. I think I'd just start gibbering insanely and slapping myself.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: SamuelAWilkinson on 27 August, 2009, 06:17:14 PM

Does this all mean we have to recruit someone else to go infiltrate the JBF? I nominate ThryllSeeker.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 27 August, 2009, 06:47:41 PM

Seconded.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 27 August, 2009, 07:11:31 PM

Genius suggestion!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Paul faplad Finch on 27 August, 2009, 07:30:16 PM

I tried to join a few weeks back but was rebuffed on the disposable email rule.This is the second time I've had this happen - the first was a Doctor Who forum - and I have to question the logic. I mean, everyone I know has these kind of set ups, at least for personal, use so they must be excluding a pretty wide majority. Or maybe my social circle is skewed.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Odd_Bloke on 27 August, 2009, 07:31:31 PM

Quote from: faplad on 27 August, 2009, 07:30:16 PM
I tried to join a few weeks back but was rebuffed on the disposable email rule.

Disposable email?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Paul faplad Finch on 27 August, 2009, 07:39:32 PM

Quote from: Odd_Bloke on 27 August, 2009, 07:31:31 PM
Quote from: faplad on 27 August, 2009, 07:30:16 PM
I tried to join a few weeks back but was rebuffed on the disposable email rule.
Disposable email?

yahoo, hotmail and the like. I hadn't heard the phrase either until the Who forum threw it at me but then I'm virtually computer iliterate. I think someone else - looks at old posts, finds Mike Gloady - had the same problem a few days ago.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 27 August, 2009, 07:43:34 PM

QuoteDoes this all mean we have to recruit someone else to go infiltrate the JBF? I nominate ThryllSeeker.

Hee hee, once the Mayor has made his official civic visit we could get one of those "Twinned with Hades"-type signs for the front page. JB could come judge our Flower Show.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Odd_Bloke on 27 August, 2009, 07:44:10 PM

Quote from: faplad on 27 August, 2009, 07:39:32 PM
yahoo, hotmail and the like. I hadn't heard the phrase either until the Who forum threw it at me but then I'm virtually computer iliterate. I think someone else - looks at old posts, finds Mike Gloady - had the same problem a few days ago.

Ah, OK. I'd call those 'webmail'. There's a site, the name of which I forget, which only allows you to receive mail, and doesn't have password protection. It's just intended for giving to places you don't want to give a real email address to (and who aren't going to send your personal information to you, obviously). That's ~~a kni~~ disposable email.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 August, 2009, 07:50:54 PM

Quote from: faplad on 27 August, 2009, 07:30:16 PM
I tried to join a few weeks back but was rebuffed on the disposable email rule.

A while back, I realized that I was registered with the JBF on an old e-mail address so I tried to update it and had the same thing when I put in my new e-mail address. However, given that I use a .mac address, which costs me £69 per year, I was a bit aggrieved that they initially rejected it on the grounds that it was a 'disposable' web address.

Still, shouldn't really be surprised to encounter unreasonable, inconsistent or illogical behaviour on the JBF, eh? The same forum that produced a procession of nay-sayers when I had the audacity to suggest that there was a bit of an anti Alan Moore bias in evidence ...

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 27 August, 2009, 09:12:16 PM

Any email account is ultimately disposable .

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 28 August, 2009, 08:32:42 AM

Quote from: TordelBack on 27 August, 2009, 07:43:34 PM
QuoteDoes this all mean we have to recruit someone else to go infiltrate the JBF? I nominate ThryllSeeker.

Hee hee, once the Mayor has made his official civic visit we could get one of those "Twinned with Hades"-type signs for the front page. JB could come judge our Flower Show.

Great idea!

"You Brits can't run a flower show! I hate Alan Moore's pansies."

I'd love him to come on here, have a little pop at us and be unnecessarily grumpy in amongst our reasonable politeness - it'd make up for Jim's totally uncalled-for polite reasonableness all over his board.

Here's my entry in the flower show:

(http://i28.tinypic.com/wi13ew.jpg)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: James Stacey on 28 August, 2009, 09:25:33 AM

sites like Spam.la are desposable email addresses. Seems mostly to be used for _ahem_ adult entertainment, but its good for signing up for software and the like that require an email addy but you don't want to get spam for them forever. Most if not all ISPs will give you an email address with your internet connection so it's only really people with no internet at home and only a work account or the like that would have issue I guess. Interesting point, I don't have the exact law to hand but if you'r work don't allow personal emails to your work email account, they are obliged to provide you with a secondary emial address for personal use.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 28 August, 2009, 01:01:02 PM

I like roses, unsurprisingly.

(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/miniature-rose-1.jpg)

I've long been toying with the idea of declaring war on another board, just for a cheap laugh. I hesitate to suggest it, though, as it would cause HUGE trouble.

Still... we could send infiltrators to spread dissent, a la Block Mania, before we launch an Apocalypse War-style invasion.

Of course, we would need to suspend new registrations on this board, as a sort of Apocalypse Warp.

Can you tell I've been thinking about this too much? :-)

- Trout-in-Chief

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 28 August, 2009, 01:10:47 PM

Maybe just a tad.

Regarding warfare, I think it's ultimately a bad idea. For all kinds of reasons, not least of which is the idea of planning an invasion seems like trollery. Sorry to be serious for a second (and I know you weren't seriously suggesting that, Trouty).

Happening to BE a member of anothe board and being polite and reasonable like Jim was isn't a problem, especially as, once he'd experienced a bit of Byrne-madness he nipped back here and shared. Nothing wrong with that as far as I can see. Any other boards you guys post on that amuse/infuriate?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 28 August, 2009, 01:11:24 PM

Lovely rose by the way.

I smell another thread......

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 28 August, 2009, 01:18:14 PM

Yeah, Mike. That's what I was thinking. As I said, I was reluctant even to post it. Very bad idea. Don't try this at home.

[spoiler]You fucking killjoy. :)[/spoiler]
- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 28 August, 2009, 01:20:56 PM

Sorry Trouty.

Still, here's the Twoth Flower Show:

http://2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,26042.new.html

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 30 August, 2009, 01:15:31 AM

Quote from: Mike Gloady on 28 August, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
Any other boards you guys post on that amuse/infuriate?

I post on one or two other forums that are not comic related .

The comments are sometimes amusing but the trolls dont really infuriate though because they are easily disposed of.They dont tend to last very long and i am good at silencing them.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Radbacker on 30 August, 2009, 10:59:27 AM

Stay away from the aint it cool news forums for that way lies madness, still can be entertaining to read just be careful not to bite, pro trolls galore.

CU Radbacker

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 25 November, 2009, 05:43:35 PM

*sigh*

I miss this thread.....

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Colin Zeal on 26 November, 2009, 09:42:44 PM

Damn you all. I've just spent the last 90 minutes reading through this thread the Byrne forum. I've never read any of his work, yet that forum is one of the funniest (and scariest) things I've seen in my laugh.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 09:53:09 PM

Quote from: Mike Gloady on 25 November, 2009, 05:43:35 PM
*sigh*

I miss this thread.....

'Snot my fault he banned me! I hadn't actually done anything, either ...

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 10:12:24 PM

I know Jim, *pats head* I know.

Glad it brought another boarder a few grins, Colin.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Colin Zeal on 27 November, 2009, 09:40:46 AM

It certainly did that. I want to go back on it, but I think my head might explode if I did. Plus I'd never get anything done at work today.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 28 November, 2009, 12:22:48 AM

Submitted without comment ...

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/JBFSadness.jpg)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 28 November, 2009, 12:37:40 AM

;D ;D ;D ;D

At least he remembered the apostrophe!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 28 November, 2009, 07:00:23 AM

Quote from: King Trout on 28 November, 2009, 12:37:40 AM
At least he remembered the apostrophe!

And the hyphen, Trout, and the hyphen.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 28 November, 2009, 09:11:12 AM

Wow. The stupidest place on the web by about a mile. And bear in mind there's all that secondlife crap to compete with.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 28 November, 2009, 06:41:32 PM

You know that thread was disappeared within minutes of the screen grab having been made, right? Nobody gets to tell you why they're leaving the JBF. Nobody.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 28 November, 2009, 06:47:40 PM

Slightly related, basically because I wanted to use it- WHERE IS THE LAUGHING SMILEY?!?

Whoever thought it was a good idea to remove it- could you possibly tell me why? I can be angry, sad, shocked or cool. I can grin three times and I can wink twice- but I can't laugh?

::)

At least I can still roll my eyes at you...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 28 November, 2009, 07:12:04 PM

Quote from: Matt Timson on 28 November, 2009, 06:47:40 PM
Slightly related, basically because I wanted to use it- WHERE IS THE LAUGHING SMILEY?!?

Whoever thought it was a good idea to remove it- could you possibly tell me why? I can be angry, sad, shocked or cool. I can grin three times and I can wink twice- but I can't laugh?

::)

At least I can still roll my eyes at you...

I have asked the same question at least 3 times now and i have had No answer.

Who in their right mind is going to want to use the Tongue smiley for example ?

Surely that could be got shot of and replaced by a laughing smiley if there isnt room for another as it is ?

Not to mention that the "Wink" and "Kiss" smilies are indistinguishable.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 28 November, 2009, 08:11:36 PM

Quote from: Peter Wolf on 28 November, 2009, 07:12:04 PM
Who in their right mind is going to want to use the Tongue smiley for example ?

Me.

:P

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 28 November, 2009, 08:27:26 PM

Quote from: Mike Gloady on 28 November, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 28 November, 2009, 07:12:04 PM
Who in their right mind is going to want to use the Tongue smiley for example ?
Me.

:P

You did that deliberately just because i said it !

I know what your game is.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 28 November, 2009, 08:29:53 PM

I use it all the time, probably because I stick my tongue out a little in real life. I use it to show I'm teasing. Which, I'm afraid, is something I do a fair bit of.

But you're right, if I didn't use it, that's the sort of thing I do.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 28 November, 2009, 08:33:38 PM

GAGH. Constant childcare is sapping my punctuation powers!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 November, 2009, 09:55:47 PM

Quote from: King Trout on 28 November, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
GAGH. Constant childcare is sapping my punctuation powers!

Oh cool can I use that as my excuse????

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 07 March, 2010, 09:02:23 AM

Tsk. Standards are slipping at Planetesimal Byrne. The Moore Maundering doesn't kick in until page 2.

Shape and form, shape and form (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34515&PN=1&TPN=1)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: vzzbux on 07 March, 2010, 09:18:32 AM

Byrne is such a fucking dick.

V

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 07 March, 2010, 09:34:47 AM

Quote from: vzzbux on 07 March, 2010, 09:18:32 AM
Byrne is such a fucking dick.

My god ... at the risk of sounding egotistical, I hadn't realized how singular my defence of Moore was on that forum in recent years. With no-one seemingly able or willing to knock down the poisonous bullshit that's spilling across that thread (and, let's be honest, it's not actually difficult to refute most of the retarded commentary being offered) some of that stuff borders on the legally actionable!

Mind you, why would anyone stand up with any vigour on the Moore side of the argument? I was scrupulous in ensuring that I wasn't banned, largely for the pleasure of demolishing the intellectually stunted arguments of the semi-literate, and got banned anyway.

Ho hum ...

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Hoagy on 07 March, 2010, 09:45:52 AM

Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 March, 2010, 09:02:23 AM
Tsk. Standards are slipping at Planetesimal Byrne. The Moore Maundering doesn't kick in until page 2.

Shape and form, shape and form
(http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34515&PN=1&TPN=1)

Au contraire my informedable Plumrose.

I'd say the baiting began with the pouting sigh of the 4th post on the FIRst page.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Robin Low on 07 March, 2010, 12:10:00 PM

Quote from: Krombasher on 07 March, 2010, 09:45:52 AMI'd say the baiting began with the pouting sigh of the 4th post on the FIRst page.

True.

It's a spectacular thread. The hatred simply oozes from the screen and makes our Pat Mills bashing sound like 'Settle down, there's a good chap.'

A single post mentioning Halo Jones positively and no mention at all of DR and Quinch. Lord knows what those nuts would make of the latter, especially the trauma of Crazy Chrissie.

Regards

Robin

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 March, 2010, 12:22:06 PM

Quote from: Robin Low on 07 March, 2010, 12:10:00 PM

It's a spectacular thread. The hatred simply oozes from the screen and makes our Pat Mills bashing sound like 'Settle down, there's a good chap.'

Our bashing is done with love.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Al_Ewing on 07 March, 2010, 12:48:27 PM

The internet as a whole seems to hate Alan Moore with a passion - there's an incredible sea of anonymous commenters screeching with fury whenever his name, or the name of a collaborator, comes up. (The Don Murphy business quickly descended into a series of tirades against - not Don Murphy or Kevin O'Neill or Rich Johnston - but Alan Moore, for having the temerity to be peripherally involved.) I'm not talking about the gentle "well I don't agree with him at all on these principles which I will now outline in a civilised manner" stuff you occasionally get here, I'm talking proper bile. It's fascinating and horrifying.

The John Byrne hate is a little more nuanced - Alan Moore as the Bearded Satan who tempted comics into sin away from the Christ Byrne, from what I can make out - but it's all a part of the same froth. (IMHO anyway. I may be talking out of my arse.)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 07 March, 2010, 12:59:37 PM

The similarity in tone and approach (albeit more literate) to posts on various anti-evolution forums I frequent is remarkable: "I haven't read Watchmen, but I've seen its influence". I can't help thinking it's something intrinsic to a subset of Americans to so vehemently hate and fear something that you've only the vaguest idea about. As far as I can tell, Moore the 'Wiccan' plagarist lurks amongst his herd of brainwashed kiddie-porn-addled supplicants, revelling in the tainted world of unlovely superheroes he's torn from their rightful creators, and venomously plotting the downfall of comics, and possibly all non-blonde-latino-whore women. It's so hard to square this with every single thing I've ever seen written by Moore himself that it's mildly depressing.

Also, Rorschach, insane before he became a vigilante? Discuss, with reference to the text (15 marks).

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: House of Usher on 07 March, 2010, 01:08:11 PM

They discuss Watchmen in creationist fora? How odd. Is discussion there as off-topic and freewheeling as it is here?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 07 March, 2010, 01:19:10 PM

Quote from: Krombasher on 07 March, 2010, 09:45:52 AMI'd say the baiting began with the pouting sigh of the 4th post on the FIRst page.

Heh. Unless it's some newbie unfamiliar yet with protocol, the Moore admirers over at Byrne's know their place. The beardie-weirdie-bashing doesn't start proper until yer man Zomberg chimes in.

Quote from: TordelBack on 07 March, 2010, 12:59:37 PMAlso, Rorschach, insane before he became a vigilante?

They're all crazy, according to Byrne. TordelBack, being the Steve Irwin apologist way back when, were you banned? Or did you just stop posting?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 07 March, 2010, 01:21:06 PM

Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 March, 2010, 01:19:10 PM
TordelBack, being the Steve Irwin apologist way back when, were you banned? Or did you just stop posting?

Finally, something to put on my tombstone! Nah, I just stopped posting out of utter disgust. Only extreme boredom drove me to peek at that link this morning, and boy did I regret it!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 March, 2010, 01:41:39 PM

The most crazy hatred towards Moore was Alex Jones branding him as an "admitted Mason & Illuminati propagandist" with Watchmen being the ultimate Illuminati/Satanic comic book that lays out the Illuminist plan to indoctrinate our children into the NWO. Having said that I don't believe that the web is filled with Moore hatred, maybe there's some on insular comic forums but I think it's the opposite really.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Al_Ewing on 07 March, 2010, 01:55:53 PM

Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 07 March, 2010, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: Garageman on 07 March, 2010, 01:41:39 PM
The most crazy hatred towards Moore was Alex Jones branding him as an "admitted Mason & Illuminati propagandist" with Watchmen being the ultimate Illuminati/Satanic comic book that lays out the Illuminist plan to indoctrinate our children into the NWO. Having said that I don't believe that the web is filled with Moore hatred, maybe there's some on insular comic forums but I think it's the opposite really.

I wasnt aware that Alan Moore is a Freemason nor an "illuminati propagandist".Thats certainly a new one but its well known that AJ gets a little bit carried away with himself at times.

The same thing was said about Avatar in the context of it promoting the AGW agenda and UN sponsored Gaia earth worship/one world religion on the AJ website.

It all gets a bit silly sometimes.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 07 March, 2010, 02:36:43 PM

Quote from: Al_Ewing on 07 March, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

That's quite an astonishing thread.
Even after someone posts and says they spoke to drake personally about it you still get massively arrogant posts like this:

QuoteRemember, what Drake is reported as saying is that Morrison that understood what Drake was trying to do, that he "got it" which is different than saying he simply liked what Morrison was doing. Of course, what Drake doesn't say is exactly what "it" is, what he saw in Morrison's work that echoed what Drake thought was in his own and was lacking in other versions especially since Morrison's version was a complete purposeful deconstruction and destruction of all that had come before.

That Ed Love fella's a bit of a cock.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 March, 2010, 04:56:13 PM

People who aren't John Byrne that I'd quite like to punch in the face include: Matt Hawes, Chad Carter, Al Cook and Joe Zhang.

Bonus points go to JB for his telling somebody else to get a life... ::)

I've avoided that place for months- and now I want to go out and punch somebody in the neck!

:lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 07 March, 2010, 11:07:44 PM

Quote from: Robin Low on 07 March, 2010, 12:10:00 PM
A single post mentioning Halo Jones positively and no mention at all of DR and Quinch. Lord knows what those nuts would make of the latter, especially the trauma of Crazy Chrissie.

The Curse ... we're talking about Alan Moore, the man who wrote The Curse, at the time (and possibly to this day) the single most feminist comic printed by a mainstream publisher, and these simpletons think they can make half-arsed assertions based on willful misreadings of texts they clearly barely understand ... Much like Matt, it does actually move me to want to visit physical violence on some of these fucktards.

Gaah!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 07 March, 2010, 11:24:42 PM

I particularly like this line.

QuoteThere are a number of pros and fans out there who actually believe that anyone who doesn't like Watchmen or like Moore's as a writer, that you are either crazy or an idiot. It is because of this mentality/belief bu many fans and pros, I believe (and I could be wrong), why Barbara Gordon has not regained the ability to walk again and become Batgirl again

We should all be ASHAMED.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 08 March, 2010, 12:02:09 AM

Quote from: Al_Ewing on 07 March, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

Can I just say that that is fucking brilliant? It's nearly as good as the thread (which I think ended up being deleted) where Byrne argues that Miller was right to completely reinvent Daredevil because he was an obscure character in a book on the verge of cancellation and the utterly refuses to acknowledge that there is a double standard in his condemnation of Moore doing exactly the same thing on Swamp Thing, despite the fact that Swamp Thing has the added weight of Len Wein, ST's creator, serving as editor on the book at the time and actively encouraging Moore to shake things up with his approval.

The JBF -- the gift that keeps on giving!

Cheers

Jim

(With any luck Delaney Clark will turn up again in a minute to tell us we're all faggots.)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: uncle fester on 08 March, 2010, 09:46:45 AM

I find it quite staggering the depths of bitterness that Byrne has reserved for Alan Moore, and the endless need to regurgitate his personal resentment. But I find it very disturbing that he perches atop his own forum and encourages everyone else stoop further. It's utterly poisonous in its negativity.

I need to go and sit in the sun for a while. Think happy thoughts. Be positive.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Hoagy on 08 March, 2010, 10:06:52 AM

If I was Alan Moore and another in the mutual industry I was in was declaring publicly I was peddling kiddie porn, I'd play football with his head. I suppose its all politics. Which kind of goes against the whole JBF overall mantra that comics are supposed to be fun. But as is evident so many posts along the way, it most certainly isn't and much more a soap box for the blissful ignorance comics are capable of inaugurating. Anybody developing the medium towards compelling storytelling better watch out.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 10 March, 2010, 01:12:07 PM

Quote
[comics] John Byrne on Grant Morrison and Alan Moore: 'I get no sense from [Grant] Morrison's work that he has any "love for the genre". I get the same vibe I get from [Alan] Moore — a cold and calculated mixing of ingredients the writer knows the fans like, but to which the writer himself has no eviceral connection. Nostalgia without being nostalgic, as I have dubbed it.'

Haven't trawled through all of this thread yet (entertaining though it is) but the above is taken from another website. A bitter, bitter man who has long since been left in the dust of both these cold, calculating, superior writers.

JB's approach to the comics market makes me think of a Sid-The-Sexist-style approach to women - 'She went for HIM over ME? She must be a lezza.'

Finally, I am pleased to say that I'd never heard of JB before I saw his name on this message board last year.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 10 March, 2010, 01:38:16 PM

Quote from: uncle fester on 08 March, 2010, 09:46:45 AM
I find it quite staggering the depths of bitterness that Byrne has reserved for Alan Moore, and the endless need to regurgitate his personal resentment. But I find it very disturbing that he perches atop his own forum and encourages everyone else stoop further. It's utterly poisonous in its negativity.

I need to go and sit in the sun for a while. Think happy thoughts. Be positive.

My thoughts exactly.

Its a definate all time low that JB cultivates this kind of animosity on a forum towards another creator.JB needs to get over himself but it will never happen.

Its borderline obsessional behaviour because its not like this is the first time this has happened as its routine.Perhaps JB ought to get some counselling.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 10 March, 2010, 01:59:16 PM

yep, i am ashamed to say that it has made me quite angry to see that such a negative and opinionated guy has so many followers. At least he's only a comics writer and has no influence on the running of the world. Though plenty like him do.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 May, 2010, 07:54:15 AM

Hah. I do still swing past the ol' JBF intermittently, primarily to see if there's anything of comedy value there...

... And, lo! The Chief has been nominated for an Eagle award. Does Ol' JB take this with the good grace that might be expected of a man whose star is frequently accused of fading?

Does he fuck. (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35289&PN=1&totPosts=8)

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2010, 08:35:46 AM

Honestly, the man is a penis.

Everytime I go to the JB forum, my computer shifts to a low frequency hum.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 24 May, 2010, 09:33:35 AM

Thanks Jim. Always nice to have a guide to the vast galaxy of cockishness that is Mr Byrne.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: johnnystress on 24 May, 2010, 10:05:04 AM

fucks sake

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Van Dom on 24 May, 2010, 11:41:56 AM

What a tosser!!!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: M.I.K. on 24 May, 2010, 02:29:50 PM

Whoa there, people. John Byrne may have demonstrated on previous occasions that he isn't the most pleasant of individuals, but if he wants his name removed from the running, I think that's fair enough.

If it had been anyone else asking the same, I doubt you'd have reacted the same way so quickly. I'd reserve the name-calling for when he really deserves it, or... you know... when just referring to him generally.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 24 May, 2010, 02:40:42 PM

^^^

This.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 May, 2010, 02:48:25 PM

Quote from: M.I.K. on 24 May, 2010, 02:29:50 PM
Whoa there, people. John Byrne may have demonstrated on previous occasions that he isn't the most pleasant of individuals, but if he wants his name removed from the running, I think that's fair enough.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I think he comes across as a graceless prick -- he's said on other threads that the gratitude of fans is reward in itself so you'd think an award nominated and voted for by fans would be one of the few things he would approve of.

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 24 May, 2010, 03:24:21 PM

Its a shame then that a nomination was wasted as it could have gone to someone is who is more appreciative of it.

Did John Byrne have any idea that he was going to be nominated previous to this ?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: M.I.K. on 24 May, 2010, 03:30:23 PM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 24 May, 2010, 02:48:25 PM
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I think he comes across as a graceless prick -- he's said on other threads that the gratitude of fans is reward in itself so you'd think an award nominated and voted for by fans would be one of the few things he would approve of.

Well, he did say he didn't wish to seem ungrateful, which does at least appear to be an acknowledgement that he should be grateful, whether or not he actually is, but I really don't see anything overly offensive in his opinion on this.

The only person who could potentially be missing out on something because of his removal from the awards, is himself.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Mike Gloady on 24 May, 2010, 03:53:37 PM

I'm kind of pleased he had the courage of his convictions, because when I voted his name was NOT present, presumably whoever got the next least nominations got a nod instead and a good thing too. He's a cock, he has no grace about the whole thing, but well done to him for actually doing it rather than just moaning on his own forum to assembled sycophants.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 May, 2010, 04:08:55 PM

Quote from: Mike Gloady on 24 May, 2010, 03:53:37 PM
I'm kind of pleased he had the courage of his convictions, because when I voted his name was NOT present

I've actually noted this over on the Eagle thread, and I agree.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 25 May, 2010, 03:11:26 PM

''but at this stage of my career I'm not competing with anyone but myself'' has he sunk that low? :D

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 May, 2010, 03:39:29 PM

Quote from: Proudhuff on 25 May, 2010, 03:11:26 PM
''but at this stage of my career I'm not competing with anyone but myself'' has he sunk that low? :D

He also appears to not understand the distinction between a competition and a poll!

The thing I find bemusing about Byrne is this seemingly deliberate intent to portray himself as an unrelenting cock on the internet, even when there's no need. He did it on the Gail Simone charity thread, and he's doing it again here. I mean, he could have said: "Actually, I knew Dick Giordano quite well and I think it's fitting that he should win. I'll have my name taken off the ballot -- if you were going to vote for me, vote for Dick instead."

Strange, strange man.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 25 May, 2010, 03:42:19 PM

Quote from: Proudhuff on 25 May, 2010, 03:11:26 PM
''but at this stage of my career I'm not competing with anyone but myself'' has he sunk that low? :D

I can sort of relate to that statement if it means that you are constantly trying to improve your artwork but that might just be my interpretation of it.

Otherwise it just reads as "I am so much more talented than everyone else etc etc and have been doing it for so long that i dont need to compete with anyone else anymore".

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 May, 2010, 09:46:22 PM

I only have to look at the one Dredd story he drew and know that he ain't as great as he believes.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 25 May, 2010, 10:05:08 PM

I just dont like his style of artwork in the slightest.It has that generic US Marvel/DC superhero look about it which i find very very boring.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 01 July, 2010, 03:38:31 PM

Yet more of the comedy stylings of John Byrne!

Byrne asserts that Shakespeare was a frontman for Edward de Vere (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35592&PN=1&TPN=1) based on a book he read that was really expensive and so must be true, gets argued into the ground by Knut Robert Knutsen (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35592&PN=1&TPN=3) and finally declares Knut (dangerous name -- could get you banned) is a hypocrite because his support for Shakespeare as being the author of Shakespeare's plays is the equivalent of blindly accepting the existence of God and sticks Knut on his 'Ignore' list!

I know I shouldn't keep going back, but it's the gift that keeps giving.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 02 July, 2010, 09:08:59 AM

Ho, ho! What a clown! Hats off to Knut for daring to oppose the darling leader. John Byrne - John Shite more like

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 05 July, 2010, 10:06:44 AM

"How was it Sherlock Holmes phrased it? When the impossible is eliminated, what remains, however improbable, must be true."

In that case, John- you're a massive wanker. Case closed.

I always regret following those links...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: WoD on 05 July, 2010, 11:23:38 AM

I actually love it when this thread comes back up again...always makes me smile and scratch my head in wonder...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 05 July, 2010, 11:49:27 AM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 24 May, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Gloady on 24 May, 2010, 03:53:37 PM
I'm kind of pleased he had the courage of his convictions, because when I voted his name was NOT present

I've actually noted this over on the Eagle thread, and I agree.

Cheers!

Jim

Don't kid yourselves, ladies. If he thought, even for a minute, that he might actually win- he'd be lapping it up. John Byrne is a deeply, deeply insecure man.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 05 July, 2010, 12:00:19 PM

Quote from: Matt Timson on 05 July, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Don't kid yourselves, ladies. If he thought, even for a minute, that he might actually win- he'd be lapping it up. John Byrne is a deeply, deeply insecure man.

His new thing has been an undercurrent of "Dick Giordano didn't ink anything, his studio did it all" that he's managed to mention on about three separate occasions since Giordano died. Usually prefaced by "In the interests of historical accuracy..."

Contemptible little prick.

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 05 July, 2010, 04:13:58 PM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 July, 2010, 12:00:19 PMContemptible little prick.

Also in the interests of historical accuracy.
:thumbsup:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 06 July, 2010, 01:56:36 AM

A serious question for a second: does anyone know if there's an actual psychological term (fitting as the term 'contemptible little prick' is) to describe the type of insecurity John Byrne displays, i.e. to become obsessed with somebody else who has done better than you in your own field and harp on and on about them?

If you don't like Alan Moore don't read his comics - fuck off and stick to writing your own less important and less innovative ones. Mind you I have to say I find Byrne's deluded witterings more entertaining than Tom Strong.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: das on 06 July, 2010, 02:49:48 AM

well i read everything byrne drew up through next men.
always thought he was being presumptuous when he jumped to adding writing credits
byrne/alan davis/kaluta all had a fine line style that was real pleasing.

here in america we always joked about how his only good work
WAS STOLEN/REWORKED FROM KIRBY !!

but what a bitter old trout !
reminds me of meeting don simpson (mr. monster) and finding out that he's a really cranky a-hole,
and ended up just never buying his books again.........

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 06 July, 2010, 03:21:39 PM

To be fair, Mr Byrne has never deviated from the core concept of himself: a nasty, envious, small-minded little runner-up.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 06 July, 2010, 03:31:11 PM

Everyone's favourite English national treasure would love this from Mr B:

It's rather like a skit on the old A BIT OF TRY AND LAURIE show. smirk

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: James Stacey on 06 July, 2010, 03:31:48 PM

I really hope he reads this thread :lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Aaron A Aardvark on 06 July, 2010, 04:13:09 PM

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 06 July, 2010, 01:56:36 AM
A serious question for a second: does anyone know if there's an actual psychological term (fitting as the term 'contemptible little prick' is) to describe the type of insecurity John Byrne displays, i.e. to become obsessed with somebody else who has done better than you in your own field and harp on and on about them?

Sour grapes?

If it wasn't for this thread I would never have heard of John Byrne. Now there's a part of my brain forever soiled. What a tosser!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 06 July, 2010, 04:28:21 PM

What really cracks me up are the people rushing to the aid of their hero (especially the likes of Al Cook, who I'm pretty sure Byrne can't stand), with their whines of, "why are you arguing with a man who has you on ignore?"- like any of them believe- even for a second- that he is on ignore.

:lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Funt Solo on 07 July, 2010, 09:03:57 PM

QuoteWhen the impossible is eliminated, what remains, however improbable, must be true.

I'm so poorly read I thought Spock had coined that.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 07 July, 2010, 09:27:38 PM

Quote from: Funt Solo on 07 July, 2010, 09:03:57 PM
QuoteWhen the impossible is eliminated, what remains, however improbable, must be true.

I'm so poorly read I thought Spock had coined that.

Nah, 'poorly read' is thinking Data coined it.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 08 July, 2010, 12:13:48 AM

QuoteWhen the impossible is eliminated, what remains, however improbable, must be true.

Or Bullshit.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: darryl(doofus forgot his password) on 08 July, 2010, 10:37:31 AM

I can't believe it!

After years away, this thread is still here and still entertaining!

You'd think that Byrne would have better things to do with his time...!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 08 July, 2010, 01:34:09 PM

Is American culture partly to blame for John Byrne's seeming bitterness towards Alan Moore?

'..Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing.' Henry Russel Sanders Football coach at Bruin, UCLA

Could John Byrne a successful writer/illustrator be resentful of Alan Moore because Watchman is regarded as the Comic book that defined a certain era and is the one story that tends to get a lot of attention?

At least three major motion pictures have recently been based on Alan Moore's works. Nothing provokes more than success and though several Titles Byrne was involved with have become feature films it's not really something that people tend to associate with John Byrne's name.

Also Moore tended to be cynical about his hero's. The Comedian in Watchman was an occasional rapist hardly something that the Super hero genre that Byrne enjoyed success with would want to be associated with.

There's no doubt Byrne's ego can be ugly it's probably what made him successful too but you've got to see it from his point of view. A bearded Limey comes over the pond, pisses in your spring water and walks off with the kudo's and the glory. How would you feel? This in a culture where the winners are lionized as being special,exceptional. No one remembers the runners up in the SuperBowl final do they?

I don't like Byrnes resentment to the very talented fellow writer Alan Moore. But if I felt I was forever in someones shadow you can see how such feelings could be generated. Unpleasent though they might be.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 08 July, 2010, 01:43:04 PM

Ah! But Byrne is British! (at least by birth)

I suspect his vitriol comes from a good old dose of self-loathing and a massive amount of (even for a comic artist) insecurity and doubt about the quality of his work.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 08 July, 2010, 01:44:13 PM

No one likes a sore loser.

By all means have rant about it.Then have another rant about it if you like then get over it and yourself and shut up about it and move on from it.

If someone bears a grudge about someone else and doesnt let it go then its their own personal baggage that needs to be sorted out.In other words its John Byrnes problem.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Professor Bear on 08 July, 2010, 04:09:06 PM

Someone should point out that Byrne probably isn't unique in either his opinions or in having said opinions while working in the comics industry: Byrne is unique in simply not knowing to keep his [spoiler]fuck[/spoiler]ing gob shut and play the PR game pretty much every successful writer and artist working in the increasingly-smaller comics field at the minute has to excel at just to keep their head above water.

This is not to say some of Byrne's opinions aren't a bit mental, obviously. Do you think if someone met his asking price for commissions he'd do a Watchmen pin-up?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 08 July, 2010, 04:20:09 PM

Quote from: Professah Byah on 08 July, 2010, 04:09:06 PM
This is not to say some of Byrne's opinions aren't a bit mental, obviously. Do you think if someone met his asking price for commissions he'd do a Watchmen pin-up?

How about a commission of Alan Moore shagging Jean Grey?

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Robin Low on 08 July, 2010, 05:08:54 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 July, 2010, 01:43:04 PMI suspect his vitriol comes from a good old dose of self-loathing and a massive amount of (even for a comic artist) insecurity and doubt about the quality of his work.

What fascinates me about Byrne and the other anti-Moore people over there is that they don't seem to realise that Moore's success and influence stems from him having written comics that comic fans enjoy reading. They write as though Moore somehow forced his work on publishers and fans, and then forced writers and artists to immitate him.

I've sometimes been tempted to register over there, but it would be like voluntarily getting yourself committed and spending your days in the least padded room repeatedly charging the walls head first.

Regards

Robin

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 July, 2010, 08:20:06 PM

Quote from: Robin Low on 08 July, 2010, 05:08:54 PM

What fascinates me about Byrne and the other anti-Moore people over there is that they don't seem to realise that Moore's success and influence stems from him having written comics that comic fans enjoy reading. They write as though Moore somehow forced his work on publishers and fans, and then forced writers and artists to immitate him.

Byrne has equal contempt for both readers and authors.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 09 July, 2010, 08:30:32 AM

I'd never heard of JB until last year on this board. I still haven't read any of his stories. However I've become morbidly fascinated by his silly ramblings, i must admit. Hard to believe a man would make his own insecurities so public.
Look at Moore's works, ye daft tit, and despair.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 15 July, 2010, 02:16:45 AM

While Byrne clearly has some issues and is quite the internet troll, I've gotta at least point out what an immense talent he is.

A lot of classic X-Men stuff, plus gotta respect people who can both write and draw. It's weird to me that a bunch of people hadn't heard of him in this topic.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 15 July, 2010, 03:29:18 AM

Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 15 July, 2010, 02:16:45 AM
While Byrne clearly has some issues and is quite the internet troll, I've gotta at least point out what an immense talent he is.

A lot of classic X-Men stuff, plus gotta respect people who can both write and draw. It's weird to me that a bunch of people hadn't heard of him in this topic.

The only thing i have heard about John Byrne is on this thread and the majority of what i know about JB is regarding his behaviour.

I dont read Superhero type US comics at all as i have no interest in them.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 15 July, 2010, 09:37:22 AM

Quote from: Peter Wolf on 15 July, 2010, 03:29:18 AM
I dont read Superhero type US comics at all as i have no interest in them.

Well, hardly surprising that you haven't heard of him, then!

The Claremont/Byrne run on Uncanny X-Men is a seminal work, and Byrne's run on Fantastic Four and his Superman re-boot are both very well-regarded (although I haven't read them, being a fan of neither set of characters). As Matt Timson has said, it's difficult now to look back on his work without it being tainted by the knowledge that he is such a fantastically bitter, twisted old fucktard.

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Bolt-01 on 15 July, 2010, 10:14:25 AM

Heck, even as late as Next Men, Byrne was still producing immensely readable work (Next Men being a personal Favourite) and there is no doubt that he can tell a story in my mind. However, his work isn't the current vogue, so he's been left behind by the media he wants to be so well regarded by.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 15 July, 2010, 10:23:55 AM

QuoteThe Claremont/Byrne run on Uncanny X-Men is a seminal work

Indeed. Hellfire Club. 'Nuff said.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: M.I.K. on 15 July, 2010, 04:33:40 PM

I've read a few issues of The Incredible Hulk he wrote/drew. Thought those were rather damn good too. No denying the bloke's got talent. Pity about his personality.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 15 July, 2010, 05:43:37 PM

I have had a look at some examples of his work and while it is very good it just isnt my thing at all.

I have to say that after reading various threads involving JB he is very very far from being the worst example of objectionable behaviour on the internet by a long shot.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 16 July, 2010, 09:02:52 AM

True, but he is a bit of a silly moo.

Someday there'll be a post from John Byrne saying it's all been a prank, and that someone (he has his suspicions) has hacked into his account and made him sound cocky and obnoxious, while all he wants is for his work to be critiqued (but in a constructive way).

One lives in hope.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 16 July, 2010, 09:05:54 AM

You're a bad man, Jayzus.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 16 July, 2010, 11:58:33 AM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 15 July, 2010, 10:23:55 AM
QuoteThe Claremont/Byrne run on Uncanny X-Men is a seminal work

Indeed. Hellfire Club. 'Nuff said.

As a youngster it took many years to work out who 'Nuff was :-[

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 16 July, 2010, 12:05:10 PM

Quote from: Proudhuff on 16 July, 2010, 11:58:33 AM
[As a youngster it took many years to work out who 'Nuff was :-[

I had that problem with Ed.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2010, 12:08:35 PM

That Bullpen always sounded a dangerous place to me, too...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2010, 12:23:31 PM

These Yanks and their strange conspicous argot, thay're all a bunch of grexnix nonscrots.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 16 July, 2010, 12:42:12 PM

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 16 July, 2010, 09:02:52 AM
True, but he is a bit of a silly moo.

Someday there'll be a post from John Byrne saying it's all been a prank, and that someone (he has his suspicions) has hacked into his account and made him sound cocky and obnoxious, while all he wants is for his work to be critiqued (but in a constructive way).

One lives in hope.

And he would also hope to be believed by everyone as well but if you question any of that he will say "I dont have to explain anything to anyone" which just makes the whole thing look very suspicious.He will also ignore your feedback if your comments were too close to the truth about the alleged prank.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: GordonR on 16 July, 2010, 02:04:54 PM

Ah, Man Without Irony. Gods be praised, thy mighty powers have not yet deserted ye.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 16 July, 2010, 02:40:26 PM

I dont have to explain anything to anyone.

Quote from: GordonR on 16 July, 2010, 02:04:54 PM
Ah, Man Without Irony. Gods be praised, thy mighty powers have not yet deserted ye.

Epic Fail !

Suck it and see .

;)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: TordelBack on 16 July, 2010, 02:59:15 PM

Wow. Apposite spam!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 July, 2010, 04:21:26 PM

I notice Byrne is trotting out his supposedly aristo roots in England again. You'd think a man who left the UK and gave interviews about how important it was to take on US citizenship might be slightly more, well, republican in his outlook.

On top of which -- just try Googling "Lord Rushton" and see if you can find any connection with, well, anyone, never mind the Chief's parents.

Maybe his ancestry's been hacked. :-)

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: GordonR on 16 July, 2010, 04:46:38 PM

JB can add Wikipedia onto the anti-Byrne conspiracy list. Under the entry for the origins of the surname Byrne, No mention of him at all in the list of famous Byrnes.

Wikipedia, j'accuse!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byrne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byrne)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2010, 07:30:33 PM

Wikipedia chooses Alan Moore.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 16 July, 2010, 08:14:03 PM

Lordships Of The Manor/Nobilty are no great shakes and dont indicate aristocracy in themselves in any way whatsoever.

In Feudal times they were nothing more than glorified serfs who had land and privileges granted to them by the aristocracy.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 July, 2010, 05:59:16 PM

Quote from: Bolt-01 on 15 July, 2010, 10:14:25 AM
Next Men being a personal Favourite

Then I have some good news for you. (http://idwpublishing.com/news/article/1312/)

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: das on 25 July, 2010, 06:10:32 PM

yeah, all those roughneck artists.
and writers with those arms flailing in the air

dangerous indeed !

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 25 July, 2010, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: GordonR on 16 July, 2010, 04:46:38 PM
JB can add Wikipedia onto the anti-Byrne conspiracy list. Under the entry for the origins of the surname Byrne, No mention of him at all in the list of famous Byrnes.

Wikipedia, j'accuse!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byrne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byrne)

Wikipedia isnt a credible source of information.

:lol: :lol:

NO WIKEPEDIA ON THIS FORUM !!!

INSTANT BAN FOR ANYONE THAT QUOTES/REFERENCES WIKIPEDIA ON THIS FORUM !!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 25 July, 2010, 07:10:42 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Byrne

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 July, 2010, 07:27:20 PM

Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 July, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Byrne

Yes... we know who John Byrne is. I think the preceding fifty-nine pages of this thread go some way towards demonstrating that!

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: das on 25 July, 2010, 07:52:48 PM

wow byrne must be a force to be contended with if we waste 59 pages on him, in a forum based on NON superhero graphic work.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jared Katooie on 25 July, 2010, 07:56:28 PM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 25 July, 2010, 07:27:20 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 July, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Byrne

Yes... we know who John Byrne is. I think the preceding fifty-nine pages of this thread go some way towards demonstrating that!

Cheers

Jim

I think this was a joke based on Peter's previous post where he suggested that anyone referencing Wikipedia be banned.

Quote from: das on 25 July, 2010, 07:52:48 PM
wow byrne must be a force to be contended with if we waste 59 pages on him, in a forum based on NON superhero graphic work.

The really disturbing thing is that the "womens underware" thread only runs to 39 pages.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 July, 2010, 08:10:56 PM

Quote from: Jared Katooie on 25 July, 2010, 07:56:28 PM
I think this was a joke based on Peter's previous post where he suggested that anyone referencing Wikipedia be banned.

That's pretty much a straight lift from the rules on Byrne's forum.

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jared Katooie on 25 July, 2010, 08:35:35 PM

Holy crap, I thought you were joking! :o

That's seriously weird...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 01 August, 2010, 04:19:27 PM

I can't help myself -- it's a sickness.

In his most breathtaking piece of revisionist claptrap yet, JB claims that Dark Knight Returns was all Alan Moore's fault (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35901&PN=1&TPN=8) due to being a book that came "after Watchmen" despite being published before it.

He then modifies his position, but no timeline I can make sense of has Gibbons finishing the art for Watchmen #1 when Miller is only "halfway" through #2 of DKR.

At least one new poster seems to want to take him to task on this. I wonder how long they'll last?

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: SuperSurfer on 01 August, 2010, 04:50:55 PM

"The thought began to take shape in my head that any revisiting of those characters should be a continuation of the "tradition" of WATCHMEN. That is, as Moore trashed everything superheroes were all about, the next go-round should do the same with WATCHMEN itself. So the ideal candidate for doing the project should be someone who is equally a one trick pony, but from the opposite end of the spectrum. Immediately, one name sprang to the forefront: Rob Liefeld.

No, I'm not kidding. Liefeld would be to WATCHMEN what Moore was to superheroes in general. And it would be such fun to watch a whole flock of retailer's heads exploding, as they tried to serve two entirely different faces of mammon!"

:o

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Professor Bear on 01 August, 2010, 05:00:10 PM

Jim: JB seems to be talking about xeroxes of the unfinished Watchmen issues being shared around the DC production offices and not the final published product. I think Dave Gibbons even mentioned that Howard Chaykin complimented him on a preliminary version of an issue in one of the recent Meg articles?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 01 August, 2010, 05:11:53 PM

To be fair, I had read somewhere that Frank Miller had read Watchmen and was impressed by it before creating DKR. And fair play to him, the result was very good indeed.

JB doesn't think so, of course, but once again DKR is generally considered a historical turning point in the history of comics and JB's stuff generally isn't.

Has Alan Moore ever commented on JB's near-obsession with Watchmen? I'm guessing not; he doesn't have half as much to prove.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 01 August, 2010, 07:49:10 PM

Quote from: Professah Byah on 01 August, 2010, 05:00:10 PM
JB seems to be talking about xeroxes of the unfinished Watchmen issues being shared around the DC production offices and not the final published product.

Yes, I know this, on account of being able to read. My point is that if you track the lead times back, the dates are very difficult to make sense of. I read something Gibbons said about still drawing #4 of Watchmen when #1 came out, when he should have been drawing #5, which would track his delivery of the pages for #1 back to something like Dec 1985. I don't see how Miller can only have been halfway through drawing the second issue of DKR -- 47 painted pages per issue, remember -- in Dec 1985 if the first issue saw print in Feb 1986. Production lead times for a book, especially one creating a brand new publishing format, were a very different thing back then. Plus, Dick Giordano had already left the project because he felt that Miller was taking too long over it, so Miller and Varley would have to have put in an impressive turn of speed to hit the publishing schedule if Byrne's story is true.

Quote from: JayzusB. Christ
To be fair, I had read somewhere that Frank Miller had read Watchmen and was impressed by it before creating DKR.

And I was surprised to see it mentioned because I hadn't heard it before. Given the tedious regularity with which I'll bleat on about how surprising I find the thematic similarities between the two heavyweights of 1980s "serious" mainstream comics, I'm astonished that no-one thought to mention that it wasn't that surprising if Miller had had sight of Watchmen while he was writing DKR.

Just as an addendum to this, however: I was pleased to discover that Mr Miller has a blog, so I've added a post to the comments section of his most recent post, with a link to the relevant page of the JBF and asked Frank if he can clarify...

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Professor Bear on 01 August, 2010, 11:04:48 PM

Why must you spread misery, Campbell? John only wants to be loved.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Emperor on 01 August, 2010, 11:31:54 PM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 01 August, 2010, 07:49:10 PMJust as an addendum to this, however: I was pleased to discover that Mr Miller has a blog, so I've added a post to the comments section of his most recent post, with a link to the relevant page of the JBF and asked Frank if he can clarify...

Quick go over there and hit like - we can make it the most popular comment there:
http://frankmillerink.com/#comment-65588051

Given the time that has passed since the piece was posted I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 01 August, 2010, 11:35:30 PM

Quote from: Emperor on 01 August, 2010, 11:31:54 PM
Given the time that has passed since the piece was posted I wouldn't hold my breath though.

I know it's a long shot, but what the hell? :-)

Cheers!

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 01 August, 2010, 11:53:04 PM

Though Frank hasn't exactly covered himself in glory in recent years, he's still the writer of freakin' Dark Knight Returns, Batman Year 1 and Daredevil. I'd love to hear what he has to say about Johnny Boy there belittling his greatest achievements.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Potato on 03 August, 2010, 04:13:05 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 March, 2010, 02:36:43 PM
Quote from: Al_Ewing on 07 March, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

That's quite an astonishing thread.
Even after someone posts and says they spoke to drake personally about it you still get massively arrogant posts like this:
QuoteRemember, what Drake is reported as saying is that Morrison that understood what Drake was trying to do, that he "got it" which is different than saying he simply liked what Morrison was doing. Of course, what Drake doesn't say is exactly what "it" is, what he saw in Morrison's work that echoed what Drake thought was in his own and was lacking in other versions especially since Morrison's version was a complete purposeful deconstruction and destruction of all that had come before.

That Ed Love fella's a bit of a cock.

I have just read 55 pages of this thread, took me nearly 2 days.

Some great stuff.

The hate they have over there for people like Moore and Morrison is truly bizare.

and Matt Timson, nice to see you again.

Love impaler

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Potato on 03 August, 2010, 04:20:59 PM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 01 August, 2010, 04:19:27 PM
I can't help myself -- it's a sickness.

In his most breathtaking piece of revisionist claptrap yet, JB claims that Dark Knight Returns was all Alan Moore's fault (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35901&PN=1&TPN=8) due to being a book that came "after Watchmen" despite being published before it.

He then modifies his position, but no timeline I can make sense of has Gibbons finishing the art for Watchmen #1 when Miller is only "halfway" through #2 of DKR.

At least one new poster seems to want to take him to task on this. I wonder how long they'll last?

Cheers!

Jim

The new moore bashing thread is what made me get an account over there.

Same nonsense diferent day.

Its a shame as I said when I posted Byrne is/was a hero of mine when I started reading comics and now i think he is a bitter old has been.

Alan moore on the other hand is a very nice chap, and has been nothing but polite when I have met him.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: The Corinthian on 03 August, 2010, 04:45:40 PM

I particularly like the chap who can't get his head round the idea that a writer he doesn't personally like can also be critically acclaimed.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: uncle fester on 03 August, 2010, 05:36:07 PM

Has Alan Moore ever publicly voiced an opinion about John Byrne? Would love to hear what he thought of all this.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 03 August, 2010, 06:19:13 PM

Quote from: SuperSurfer on 01 August, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
"The thought began to take shape in my head that any revisiting of those characters should be a continuation of the "tradition" of WATCHMEN. That is, as Moore trashed everything superheroes were all about, the next go-round should do the same with WATCHMEN itself. So the ideal candidate for doing the project should be someone who is equally a one trick pony, but from the opposite end of the spectrum. Immediately, one name sprang to the forefront: Rob Liefeld.

No, I'm not kidding. Liefeld would be to WATCHMEN what Moore was to superheroes in general. And it would be such fun to watch a whole flock of retailer's heads exploding, as they tried to serve two entirely different faces of mammon!"

:o

This is becoming tiresome and i am seriously thinking that John Byrne needs some professional counselling.

"As Moore has trashed everything that suoerheroes were all about"

Absolute rubbish.All Alan Moore did was write an alternative take on superheroes [who are pretty one dimensional at the best of times] which as a writer Alan Moore has every right to do and its also apparent that superheroes are doing quite well for themselves despite Alan Moore so the problem is really John Byrne and it has nothing to do with Alan Moore.John Byrne is massively insecure and has more than a bit of a problem with Napoleon syndrome to deal with.

Also for someone who is quoted as saying that he doesnt suffer fools i often wonder who he suffers himself.

I can understand someone have a gripe about something but when its over and over and over again then its obsessional behaviour and that is a type of mental illness.

The fact that John Byrne calls Alan Moore a "One trick pony" is ridiculous and perhaps a little bit hypocritical.

Since he calls Alan Moore a one trick pony then why not call every other creator or writer or artist or musician or actor or whatever a "one trick pony" ??

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Potato on 04 August, 2010, 09:29:43 AM

Quote from: Peter Wolf on 03 August, 2010, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 01 August, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
"The thought began to take shape in my head that any revisiting of those characters should be a continuation of the "tradition" of WATCHMEN. That is, as Moore trashed everything superheroes were all about, the next go-round should do the same with WATCHMEN itself. So the ideal candidate for doing the project should be someone who is equally a one trick pony, but from the opposite end of the spectrum. Immediately, one name sprang to the forefront: Rob Liefeld.

No, I'm not kidding. Liefeld would be to WATCHMEN what Moore was to superheroes in general. And it would be such fun to watch a whole flock of retailer's heads exploding, as they tried to serve two entirely different faces of mammon!"

:o

This is becoming tiresome and i am seriously thinking that John Byrne needs some professional counselling.

"As Moore has trashed everything that suoerheroes were all about"

Absolute rubbish.All Alan Moore did was write an alternative take on superheroes [who are pretty one dimensional at the best of times] which as a writer Alan Moore has every right to do and its also apparent that superheroes are doing quite well for themselves despite Alan Moore so the problem is really John Byrne and it has nothing to do with Alan Moore.John Byrne is massively insecure and has more than a bit of a problem with Napoleon syndrome to deal with.

Also for someone who is quoted as saying that he doesnt suffer fools i often wonder who he suffers himself.

I can understand someone have a gripe about something but when its over and over and over again then its obsessional behaviour and that is a type of mental illness.

The fact that John Byrne calls Alan Moore a "One trick pony" is ridiculous and perhaps a little bit hypocritical.

Since he calls Alan Moore a one trick pony then why not call every other creator or writer or artist or musician or actor or whatever a "one trick pony" ??

Especially funny when you consider that Byrne has said in the past that he is the one they (marvel/Dc) called when they wanted something fixed, Chapter one, man of steel etc.

So by his own standards he is also a "one Trick Pony" the only difference is that Moore has a better trick

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 05 August, 2010, 08:09:48 PM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 01 July, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
Byrne asserts that Shakespeare was a frontman for Edward de Vere (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35592&PN=1&TPN=1) based on a book he read that was really expensive and so must be true, gets argued into the ground by Knut Robert Knutsen (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35592&PN=1&TPN=3)

Enjoy it quick, while it's still there. Knut kinda loses his rag (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35592&PN=1&TPN=22) at the utter shite being spouted by the semi-literate* fucktard sycophants trying to bolster Byrne's ridiculous position on the Shakespeare authorship thread. My particular favourite is the guy who tries to twist the forum rules to suggest that Knut can't respond to anything Byrne posts because Byrne has him on ignore.

Deletion and banning must surely be imminent.

Cheers!

Jim

*Keep in mind that over their Alan Moore thread right now, people are arguing that Suicide Squad and Master of Fucking Kung Fu are more innovative works within the comic medium than Watchmen. On one of the many deleted Moore threads I recall one of JB's little henchmen, possibly Emily Calamari, asking what authority I had for asserting the literary merit of Moore's work, to which I observed that, unless they too had an honours degree in English Literature, I certainly had more authority than they did.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 05 August, 2010, 08:14:00 PM

QuoteHow easy it is to smugly congratulate oneself about how unassailable ones arguments are when one simply ignores the facts one doesn't like. Ignores the arguments that one doesn't like. Ignorance truly is bliss.

Brilliant!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 05 August, 2010, 08:51:57 PM

Just in case its purged from there:

I've tried to be somewhat moderate in this thread but it's exasperating to me that so many arguments in this thread betray a complete ignorance of how facts and evidence are examined and presented in the various fields of history, literary and linguistic studies and theater studies. It just so happens that these were my fields of study at University and while I haven't devoted that much time to the Shakespeare Authorship Question, I do have a strong formal background that makes me qualified to judge the evidence and the arguments and the methodologies employed.

Michael Penn accuses Stratfordians in general and Shapiro in particular of being deceptive by not bringing up any and all uncertainties related to facts or evidence when presenting possible scenarios in a popular form. Implicit in it is the suggestion that there is something suspicious or untowards in the ways they try to tell the story of how Shakespeare's life might possibly have been, based on this evidence.

And that this gives grounds to doubt the Stratfordian position.

But in academia, the basic principle is and always has been "This is the most probable scenario based on a reasonable interpretation of all available facts."

In academia, when working on a thesis or a research project, one goes to the sources and tries to weigh the credibility and usefulness of various facts. Whether texts or artefacts. At this point, a full accounting of doubts is proper.

In a presentation to the general public, one does not start weighing in with "we're not sure about this, this is conjecture" when it should be clear from the context that it is. Too much hedging might cause a layman to think there is more doubt than there really is. Shapiro, for instance, made it very clear what his premise was in the Buc scenario and that he was presenting a hypothetical scenario and for what purpose it was used.

Which purpose Michael Penn either failed to grasp or chose to ignore.

And in terms of looking for Shakespeare. It is a fact that we really do have very little information about most people of the time. And Shakespeare really hits almost every point that guarantees relative anonymity:
His family was common and rural and living in a very puritan part of the country, and although he himself rose to wealth, he was raised poor.
His family died out within a few decades of his death, and his daughters (or at least one of them) were illiterate or barely literate and he didn't seem to have a very close relationship with his son-in-laws.
He retired to the country before his death.
He didn't attend University.
Everything suggests he spent most of his time working in some capacity or other.
He didn't kill anyone or commit any big, sensational crimes worthy of gossip. Unlike Marlowe, and Jonson and DeVere.
And his place of work/business, the Globe, burnt down a few years before his retirement.

I mean, look at it. Considering all the strikes against anyone saving papers relating to his business, he did very well.

The First Folio, for instance, was supposed to be typeset from the original manuscript and Shapiro suggests that there are writing mistakes like using the name of the actor instead of the character that to me seems to suggest that it's possible those were the original manuscripts in William Shakespeare's hand. Which would mean that the printers probably turned them out with the trash when they were done.-

I'm sure, with the large quantities of Golden Age artists' original art that went straight from the printers to an incinerator, that this will not be an incredible scenario?

The two-pronged test of "identified as author, identified as grain merchant" is a test that has no grounding in history or literature studies. Such a test would only be emplyoed when there was evidence of at least 2 Wiliiam Shakespeares, Napoleon Bonapartes, Abraham Lincolns or Winston Churchills in the same place, at the same time.

Such a test would never be employed to determine whether a person owning or acting in a theatre and a writer of the same name writing exclusively for that company was one person or two. Unless one knew for a fact that there were two different people with that name in that place.

The burden of proof is on those who seek to split this person into two. That's not new. That's how we'd approach anyone.

The sole purpose of the two-pronged test is to exclude William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon. It has been devised solely for that purpose. It is not in any way a part of standard scholarship in the fields of history or literature to use this test. There are other ways to look at whether the authorship makes sense, that are actually useful.

The two-pronged test is not, as it ignores the fact that usually, when we talk about a person in one capacity, we do no casually interject observations about another trade or hobby that they may engage in.

How many actors are waiters on the side(for instance) and how many of them are referred to consistently in the trade press or on web-sites as "actor/waiter"? No, really. You might see it if they get hauled in for committing a crime, or if someone wanted to suggest that this person wasn't "really" an actor (i.e. as an insult) but you wouldn't expect to see it otherwise.

Also, the insistence of "in his lifetime" is arbitrary and again, designed solely to exclude Shakespeare (or Ben Jonson's foreword to the first folio.) The actual differentiation made between such sources is "Written close to the time something happened by someone who was a witness and experienced it first hand".

We have here a written testimony by a man who knew Shakespeare very well when he was alive in a professional and it seems private capacity, written within a decade of his death. Historians would give their right nut for evidence this reliable of such a quality in matters of some interest or importance.

But even this pales to more solid evidence, such as that found in linguistic examination of the plays, within the context of history studies and theater studies. The kind of cross-disciplinary efforts that Anti-Stratfordians claim Stratfordians shrink away from or try to discredit.

As said before Shakespeare's shift to tragicomedy, the change in style and the identity of his new collaborators show this work to be written for the Blackfriar theatre about 1610. And the collaborative manuscripts contain mistakes that point to both collaborators working concurrently, so that it can't be an unfinished play finsihed or altered posthumously by another author. (I'd say probably is not, but to Michael Penn that might sound like 50/50 and that would be a shame).

The autobiographical readings of the plays? Shakespeare was intimately familiar with the scenarios and Lazzi (or routines) of Commedia Dell' Arte (In England known in the form of Pantomime, mainly) . He used the techniques in everything from his comedies to his tragedies (Hamlet has several elements taken from this artform). This is an actor's artform. The only way to learn it is to either watch lots and lots of these plays or , more likely, actually be part of a theater troupe (the latter would of course be impossible for an aristocrat).

Written sources for the scenarios didn't exist until 1611, and then only in italian (though greek and latin plays did influence the artform and were extant before). The Lazzi did not exist as written material and could only be observed in performance.

And once we look at the plays, look at the sources for the plays, look at how the dynamics and archetypes of Commedia Dell'arte or greek/latin comedies or tragedies are employed in the plays in balance, we find very little room for autobiography. Polonius, for instance, is a classic Pantalone.

As for the Looney list, I have said over and over again that it seems like a good idea. Except that Looney was incompetent in his examination of the plays and shaped his ideal "Shakespeare" according to his own views, not according to reality. And any Anti-Stratfordian argument emanating from the disproven items on this list must be considered suspect.(I'd say outright wrong, but hey ...)

Several points about how Shakespeare treated servants as fools and with contempt and thus must have not been common, and how he treated nobility with deference and must have been noble evaporate once we see that Looney grossly mischaracterizes the portrayal of such characters, and that the "comedy relief" in Shakespeare's plays are drawn from Commedia dell'arte. A complete artform with lots of ridiculous or comedic "commoners", but one that nevertheless pokes fun at the upper middle class or professional class (nobility being somewhat absent from classic commedia dell'arte , presumably because they can't take a joke).

The claim that Shakespeare must have travelled widely, and then especially in Italy, is a claim made by someone sufficiently ignorant that he did not realize just how little Shakespeare actually knew about Italy (if we look at the actual plays). And it's baffling that this point even now is paraded around as if it doesn't prove the speaker an utter fool.

And it is strange that when Shakespeare writes a metaphor about falconry (which it would take about 15 minutes of talking with a commoner working as a falconer for some nobleman to work out) it must mean that he's a nobleman.

But when he shows remarkable insight into the life, methods, practices and rate-calculations of money-lenders, that is about the only "deep fact" that is discounted as not even remotely likely to be based on personal experience lending money. And why? Because William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon was a money lender. And William Shakespeare has been disapproved of as a candidate.

(and anyone who considers Shylock's adversaries in this play to be shown in an actual heroic and favorable light must be dreaming. They are hypocrites, racists, corrupt opportunists and callous cads. Now, an Elizabethan audience might not have seen them as such, but very rarely would Shakespeare give protagonists such "ambiguous" traits that Elizabethans would accept them and later generations reject them. This is actually the only play of his that I've personally seen such flagrant immorality (from a modern perspective) on the part of the protagonists).

The "Education" that the plays actually tells us is necessary for the writing of the plays is intense studies of theater (especially as noted, Commedia dell'Arte) and of a wide variety of books on historical subjects, mythology, fact, fiction anything. This "Education" is now possible to obtain through a good University. In Shakespeare's time, if that's the kind of education you needed, University would be a serious waste of time.

An ignorant man might be forgiven for thinking that all this knowledge, this wide reading and all the wealth of information Shakespeare possessed suggested a University education. It seems so obvious. Until we actually look at what Shakespeare knew and what Universities of the time could provide.

Now, this is me being just fed up with a bunch of amateurs who really don't know what they're talking about, going on and on about all the proof they have (which they don't) and how there is no evidence of Shakespeare being a playwright (again, an outright lie).

The supposed mountains of evidence are all the quaint little comparisons they make between incidents in the lives of their candidate and some incident or person in Shakespeare's plays. Plays demonstrably filled with deliberate comic archetypes that anyone not raised in perfect isolation would recognize as "hey, I know him, he acts just like my Uncle, or cousin, or boss".

Plays written in the very small context of London/ England at this particular time, so that all the candidates share a somewhat similar broadly defined cultural context.

I mean, it might seem an interesting way to look for historical evidence in books and plays when you're 12. But at a certain level it just becomes ridiculous. Writers put their life experience into a text, sure. But they lie. They don't just take what they see and write it down. At least not the good ones (within the genres we're discussing, obviously there are later, autobiographic works, some 200 years later).

It just seems so amazing to me that this isn't sinking in.

(edited for pronoun confusion)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JamesC on 06 August, 2010, 12:48:15 PM

What confuses me is what someone like Knut is doing on Byrne's forum in the first place.

The Byrne forum seems like some kind of online S & M club where intellectual people go to be punished and called an idiot. Knut's probably getting off on it and Byne's wearing leather pants.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Potato on 06 August, 2010, 04:49:53 PM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 August, 2010, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 01 July, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
Byrne asserts that Shakespeare was a frontman for Edward de Vere (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35592&PN=1&TPN=1) based on a book he read that was really expensive and so must be true, gets argued into the ground by Knut Robert Knutsen (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35592&PN=1&TPN=3)

Enjoy it quick, while it's still there. Knut kinda loses his rag (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35592&PN=1&TPN=22) at the utter shite being spouted by the semi-literate* fucktard sycophants trying to bolster Byrne's ridiculous position on the Shakespeare authorship thread. My particular favourite is the guy who tries to twist the forum rules to suggest that Knut can't respond to anything Byrne posts because Byrne has him on ignore.

Deletion and banning must surely be imminent.

Cheers!

Jim

*Keep in mind that over their Alan Moore thread right now, people are arguing that Suicide Squad and Master of Fucking Kung Fu are more innovative works within the comic medium than Watchmen. On one of the many deleted Moore threads I recall one of JB's little henchmen, possibly Emily Calamari, asking what authority I had for asserting the literary merit of Moore's work, to which I observed that, unless they too had an honours degree in English Literature, I certainly had more authority than they did.

They really are dense, I got quietly banned for my defense of Moore in that thread

Especially when i showed that byrne had done many (if not ) all of the things they were criticising Moore for

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Peter Wolf on 08 August, 2010, 03:12:12 PM

QuoteHow easy it is to smugly congratulate oneself about how unassailable ones arguments are when one simply ignores the facts one doesn't like. Ignores the arguments that one doesn't like. Ignorance truly is bliss.

I just quoted that to an individual on another forum just now and its no coincidence that this individual always ignores my replies and refuses to debate the topic with myself completely and anyone else in a way that isnt conveniently slanted.

And anyway the way he totally ignores my comments that expose him as a cheap fraudulent internet shill just goes to show that his arguments are very very weak indeed.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 11 August, 2010, 01:40:33 PM

Quote from: Potato on 03 August, 2010, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 March, 2010, 02:36:43 PM
Quote from: Al_Ewing on 07 March, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

That's quite an astonishing thread.
Even after someone posts and says they spoke to drake personally about it you still get massively arrogant posts like this:
QuoteRemember, what Drake is reported as saying is that Morrison that understood what Drake was trying to do, that he "got it" which is different than saying he simply liked what Morrison was doing. Of course, what Drake doesn't say is exactly what "it" is, what he saw in Morrison's work that echoed what Drake thought was in his own and was lacking in other versions especially since Morrison's version was a complete purposeful deconstruction and destruction of all that had come before.

That Ed Love fella's a bit of a cock.

I have just read 55 pages of this thread, took me nearly 2 days.

Some great stuff.

The hate they have over there for people like Moore and Morrison is truly bizare.

and Matt Timson, nice to see you again.

Love impaler

Cheers! Is that the same Potato of IMWAN fame?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Potato on 12 August, 2010, 02:22:26 PM

Quote from: Matt Timson on 11 August, 2010, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: Potato on 03 August, 2010, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 March, 2010, 02:36:43 PM
Quote from: Al_Ewing on 07 March, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

That's quite an astonishing thread.
Even after someone posts and says they spoke to drake personally about it you still get massively arrogant posts like this:
QuoteRemember, what Drake is reported as saying is that Morrison that understood what Drake was trying to do, that he "got it" which is different than saying he simply liked what Morrison was doing. Of course, what Drake doesn't say is exactly what "it" is, what he saw in Morrison's work that echoed what Drake thought was in his own and was lacking in other versions especially since Morrison's version was a complete purposeful deconstruction and destruction of all that had come before.

That Ed Love fella's a bit of a cock.

I have just read 55 pages of this thread, took me nearly 2 days.

Some great stuff.

The hate they have over there for people like Moore and Morrison is truly bizare.

and Matt Timson, nice to see you again.

Love impaler

Cheers! Is that the same Potato of IMWAN fame?

Indeed it is.

Hows things?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 13 August, 2010, 02:26:31 PM

Not bad- I'm in Cornwall at the moment- with rubbish internet and even more rubbish weather- hence spotty replies.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 13 August, 2010, 04:37:55 PM

aaaah, its just like friends re-united round here

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: James Stacey on 13 August, 2010, 04:45:21 PM

Quote from: Proudhuff on 13 August, 2010, 04:37:55 PM
aaaah, its just like friends re-united round here

I suspect there is more activity on here than Friends Reunited

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 20 April, 2011, 08:56:08 AM

Byrne ACTUALLY talks* about 'Block-Out at the Crater Bowl' (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38574&PN=1&totPosts=14)

* Okay, so it's mentioned only in passing.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 20 April, 2011, 09:59:06 AM

Amusing that Brian Bolland image over which the JBF members are enthusing is actually the vector recreation of the original, by this forum's very own Legendary Shark, and is clearly labelled/attributed as such!

Cheers

Jim

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: uncle fester on 20 April, 2011, 10:24:55 AM

Ha ha! Subversion from the inside, Sharky!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 06 July, 2011, 06:58:53 PM

have we no spys left over there or has he suddenly started talkng sense?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 07 July, 2011, 03:27:28 PM

I wonder if there's a message board out there where they monitor our "political thread", pointing out its latest pieces of insanity?

"Quick! They're going on about secret empires again!"

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Richmond Clements on 07 July, 2011, 03:52:45 PM

Quote from: King Trout on 07 July, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
I wonder if there's a message board out there where they monitor our "political thread", pointing out its latest pieces of insanity?

"Quick! They're going on about secret empires again!"

"They"? You're at it now too!

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Dandontdare on 07 July, 2011, 04:12:49 PM

I think all our moles have been exposed and expelled (except of course for the deep-cover suicide operatives who are programmed to exlode, bringing the entire forum down, if he ever has a pop at John Wagner)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: darryl(doofus forgot his password) on 01 August, 2011, 09:10:20 PM

Bloody hell....

I haven't visited the boards in a dog's age - AND THIS THREAD IS STILL GOING!

Shurely this is shome record? :lol:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 13 September, 2011, 09:31:23 PM

Quote from: Matt Timson on 06 July, 2010, 04:28:21 PMlike any of them believe- even for a second- that he is on ignore.

Whoops (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39879&PN=1&totPosts=7)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Cthulouis on 13 September, 2011, 10:47:39 PM

Ah, the thread that keeps on giving.

How dare that person suggest that any form of ape built the pyramids...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 September, 2011, 10:51:51 PM

Knut is my hero of the day.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 13 September, 2011, 11:22:47 PM

Byrne has been canny enough over the past year to only respond those times Knut has been quoted. Be interesting to see if it goes beyond the ad hominem bollocks that's already being directed at yer man Knutsen.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Matt Timson on 14 September, 2011, 10:20:11 AM

Knut knows everything about everything. He is Expert McExpertson.

:cool:

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: WoD on 14 September, 2011, 10:44:17 AM

My good Lord...why do I get sucked in to look at the Byrne site everytime this thread appears...

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 September, 2011, 11:12:17 AM

Quote from: WoD on 14 September, 2011, 10:44:17 AM
My good Lord...why do I get sucked in to look at the Byrne site everytime this thread appears...

I have a similar affliction. Whenever some turns up that I think will rattle his cage I find myself drawn to his website like a moth to a flame to bask in the glow of his self important world view.

Its so unhealthy.

Last time I did it was when Jim Shooter started his excellent blog putting his side of his somewhat (ahem) controversial history within the comics industry and started to deal with his time in the higher ranks of Marvel. Alas Mr Byrne remained rude but relatively unphased by the whole thing. There was however so much more to wallow in...

...such an unhealthy habit as I say, but like so many unhealthy habits so very entertaining.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 14 September, 2011, 01:51:33 PM

Oh no. I've been sucked in.

I was reading the thread about his father's death, which I found quite touching. People were expressing real sympathy and JB seemed to appreciate it. Then it got into the very strange issue of his hereditary title.

Is he really a lord now? It seems very unusual. In that thread he says he will bequeath the title to someone. Can people do that? Also, the Americans on there seem quite prepared to address JB as "M'Lord".

- Trout

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 15 September, 2011, 08:33:46 AM

To be fair, JB seems to be in agreement with Knut about the pyramid thing. He may be a gobshite but he's not thick

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Spikes on 20 October, 2011, 04:28:20 PM

If his forum topics are owt to go by, then it Looks like Christmas has come early for Mr Byrne...
http://anonymous-movie.com/

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 22 November, 2011, 09:33:01 PM

And so begins another Alan Moore thread (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40377&PN=1&totPosts=1)

I'm genuinely curious. I know it's a common thing on the Byrne board to accuse Moore of hypocrisy when it comes to how his work has been treated by others. Anyone here able to cite or link to such a f'rinstance?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Zarjazzer on 22 November, 2011, 09:37:31 PM

Quote from: The return of Judge Jack on 20 October, 2011, 04:28:20 PM
If his forum topics are owt to go by, then it Looks like Christmas has come early for Mr Byrne...
http://anonymous-movie.com/

That Shakespeare's a rip- off, no talent hack compared to John Byrne.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Hoagy on 22 November, 2011, 09:58:55 PM

The OP has a good point but those points by Byrne could easily apply to his work on Superman can't it?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 22 November, 2011, 10:07:44 PM

Hmm. Michael Roberts has just summed up my understanding of Moore's misprisals.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 23 November, 2011, 12:41:08 PM

'I'd upset him by saying I thought his Swamp Thing had pissed on the Wein/Wrightson creation and has he wanted to do some existential bullshit, he should have done it with something else...'

Now why would anyone get upset getting told that nicely balance comment?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: credo on 23 November, 2011, 02:35:34 PM

Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 22 November, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
And so begins another Alan Moore thread (http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40377&PN=1&totPosts=1)

I'm genuinely curious. I know it's a common thing on the Byrne board to accuse Moore of hypocrisy when it comes to how his work has been treated by others. Anyone here able to cite or link to such a f'rinstance?

So what actually counts as originality for this guy? Oh and why is there never any mention of Halo Jones? Surely she sinks that argument? Or is she just a pastiche of Private Benjamin in space?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 23 November, 2011, 04:55:35 PM

wotabat Big Numbers?

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Trout on 22 December, 2012, 03:55:30 PM

Byrne argues... with himself.

Priceless.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/22/fanboy-rampage-john-byrne-vs-john-byrne/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/22/fanboy-rampage-john-byrne-vs-john-byrne/)

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 26 December, 2012, 09:10:49 PM

Quote from: Supermarine Troutfire on 22 December, 2012, 03:55:30 PM
Byrne argues... with himself.

Priceless.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/22/fanboy-rampage-john-byrne-vs-john-byrne/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/22/fanboy-rampage-john-byrne-vs-john-byrne/)

Is this for real? The man gets more clownish by the day. I think the poor man thinks about Watchmen more than Alan Moore does.
It's the season of good will though, so I'll point out how the chap has begun to show a bit of modesty and humility, including himself in the non-original writer category he puts Alan Moore and Grant Morrison in.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Silent_Bomber on 31 December, 2012, 07:08:45 PM

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 26 December, 2012, 09:10:49 PMIs this for real? The man gets more clownish by the day.

Maybe he has a bunch of alternate accounts to make it look like his forum has more traffic and he forgot to sign out and in under another account.

Title: Re: Byrne on Moore & Brits
Post by: Proudhuff on 01 January, 2013, 05:21:16 PM

has anything from here ever made it to fanboy rampage?I can think of a few threads...

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