Byrne on Moore & Brits

[Robin Low]

I'd say the baiting began with the pouting sigh of the 4th post on the FIRst page.

True.

It's a spectacular thread. The hatred simply oozes from the screen and makes our Pat Mills bashing sound like 'Settle down, there's a good chap.'

A single post mentioning Halo Jones positively and no mention at all of DR and Quinch. Lord knows what those nuts would make of the latter, especially the trauma of Crazy Chrissie.

Regards

Robin

[JOE SOAP]

It's a spectacular thread. The hatred simply oozes from the screen and makes our Pat Mills bashing sound like 'Settle down, there's a good chap.'

Our bashing is done with love.

[Al_Ewing]

The internet as a whole seems to hate Alan Moore with a passion - there's an incredible sea of anonymous commenters screeching with fury whenever his name, or the name of a collaborator, comes up. (The Don Murphy business quickly descended into a series of tirades against - not Don Murphy or Kevin O'Neill or Rich Johnston - but Alan Moore, for having the temerity to be peripherally involved.) I'm not talking about the gentle "well I don't agree with him at all on these principles which I will now outline in a civilised manner" stuff you occasionally get here, I'm talking proper bile. It's fascinating and horrifying.

The John Byrne hate is a little more nuanced - Alan Moore as the Bearded Satan who tempted comics into sin away from the Christ Byrne, from what I can make out - but it's all a part of the same froth. (IMHO anyway. I may be talking out of my arse.)

[TordelBack]

The similarity in tone and approach (albeit more literate) to posts on various anti-evolution forums I frequent is remarkable:  "I haven't read Watchmen, but I've seen its influence".    I can't help thinking it's something intrinsic to a subset of Americans to so vehemently  hate and fear something that you've only the vaguest idea about.  As far as  I can tell, Moore the 'Wiccan' plagarist lurks amongst his herd of brainwashed kiddie-porn-addled supplicants, revelling in the tainted world of unlovely superheroes he's torn from their rightful creators, and venomously plotting the downfall of comics, and possibly all non-blonde-latino-whore women.  It's so hard to square this with every single thing I've ever seen written by Moore himself that it's mildly depressing.

Also, Rorschach, insane before he became a vigilante?  Discuss, with reference to the text (15 marks).
 

[House of Usher]

They discuss Watchmen in creationist fora? How odd. Is discussion there as off-topic and freewheeling as it is here?

[Eric Plumrose]

I'd say the baiting began with the pouting sigh of the 4th post on the FIRst page.

Heh. Unless it's some newbie unfamiliar yet with protocol, the Moore admirers over at Byrne's know their place. The beardie-weirdie-bashing doesn't start proper until yer man Zomberg chimes in.

Also, Rorschach, insane before he became a vigilante?

They're all crazy, according to Byrne. TordelBack, being the Steve Irwin apologist way back when, were you banned? Or did you just stop posting?

[TordelBack]

TordelBack, being the Steve Irwin apologist way back when, were you banned? Or did you just stop posting?

Finally, something to put on my tombstone!  Nah, I just stopped posting out of utter disgust.  Only extreme boredom drove me to peek at that link this morning, and boy did I regret it!

[JOE SOAP]

The most crazy hatred towards Moore was Alex Jones branding him as an "admitted Mason & Illuminati propagandist" with Watchmen being the ultimate Illuminati/Satanic comic book that lays out the Illuminist plan to indoctrinate our children into the NWO. Having said that I don't believe that the web is filled with Moore hatred, maybe there's some on insular comic forums but I think it's the opposite really.

[Al_Ewing]

Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

[Peter Wolf]

The most crazy hatred towards Moore was Alex Jones branding him as an "admitted Mason & Illuminati propagandist" with Watchmen being the ultimate Illuminati/Satanic comic book that lays out the Illuminist plan to indoctrinate our children into the NWO. Having said that I don't believe that the web is filled with Moore hatred, maybe there's some on insular comic forums but I think it's the opposite really.

I wasnt aware that Alan Moore is a Freemason nor an "illuminati propagandist".Thats certainly a new one but its well known that AJ gets a little bit carried away with himself at times.

The same thing was said about Avatar in the context of it promoting the AGW agenda and UN sponsored Gaia earth worship/one world religion on the AJ website.

It all gets a bit silly sometimes.

[Richmond Clements]

Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

That's quite an astonishing thread.
Even after someone posts and says they spoke to drake personally about it you still get massively arrogant posts like this:

Remember, what Drake is reported as saying is that Morrison that understood what Drake was trying to do, that he "got it" which is different than saying he simply liked what Morrison was doing. Of course, what Drake doesn't say is exactly what "it" is, what he saw in Morrison's work that echoed what Drake thought was in his own and was lacking in other versions especially since Morrison's version was a complete purposeful deconstruction and destruction of all that had come before.

That Ed Love fella's a bit of a cock.

[Matt Timson]

People who aren't John Byrne that I'd quite like to punch in the face include:  Matt Hawes, Chad Carter, Al Cook and Joe Zhang.

Bonus points go to JB for his telling somebody else to get a life...   

I've avoided that place for months- and now I want to go out and punch somebody in the neck!

[Jim_Campbell]

A single post mentioning Halo Jones positively and no mention at all of DR and Quinch. Lord knows what those nuts would make of the latter, especially the trauma of Crazy Chrissie.

The Curse ... we're talking about Alan Moore, the man who wrote The Curse, at the time (and possibly to this day) the single most feminist comic printed by a mainstream publisher, and these simpletons think they can make half-arsed assertions based on willful misreadings of texts they clearly barely understand ... Much like Matt, it does actually move me to want to visit physical violence on some of these fucktards.

Gaah!

Jim

[Roger Godpleton]

I particularly like this line.

There are a number of pros and fans out there who actually believe that anyone who doesn't like Watchmen or like Moore's as a writer, that you are either crazy or an idiot. It is because of this mentality/belief bu many fans and pros, I believe (and I could be wrong), why Barbara Gordon has not regained the ability to walk again and become Batgirl again

We should all be ASHAMED.

[Jim_Campbell]

Purely in the spirit of gleeful voyeurism, here's a thread where the JBF tie themselves in knots trying to work out why Arnold Drake liked Morrison's Doom Patrol better than Byrne's.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34442&PN=1&TPN=6

Can I just say that that is fucking brilliant? It's nearly as good as the thread (which I think ended up being deleted) where Byrne argues that Miller was right to completely reinvent Daredevil because he was an obscure character in a book on the verge of cancellation and the utterly refuses to acknowledge that there is a double standard in his condemnation of Moore doing exactly the same thing on Swamp Thing, despite the fact that Swamp Thing has the added weight of Len Wein, ST's creator, serving as editor on the book at the time and actively encouraging Moore to shake things up with his approval.

The JBF -- the gift that keeps on giving!

Cheers

Jim

(With any luck Delaney Clark will turn up again in a minute to tell us we're all faggots.)