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: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Colin YNWA 20 May, 2021, 06:49:22 AM
Not much to say here really is there, the CHAMPION of the Current Team, the most popular artist of this time. Can even an artist who changed the very face of art in the Galaxy’s Greatest - for good and ill - take this tie? Mind it took a finalist to put him out of the Classic tourney in the 2nd round so who knows?

Time for you to decide your favourite as the droids square up to the tee…

Colin MacNeil - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=colinm)

OR

Simon Bisley - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=SIMONB)

Remember for this tourney you have 5 votes to distribute as you please between these two artists, whole numbers only. So you can vote 5 - 0; 4 - 1; or 3 - 2; either way depending on how much more you like one artist's work over the other.

If you can’t be doing with that just name your favourite - remember bold tags, or other ways of highlighting always appreciated - and I’ll give them 3 votes and nowt to the other droid.

Three day votes, so this one ends morning of Sunday 23rd May

Remember we only consider work for Tharg in these Tourneys

What the heck is all this about - well we have a thread for that (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.0)

How does this new voting work?  Look here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059536#msg1059536) and why again? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059557#msg1059557)

I don’t understand how this works, what are the rules of the Ryder Cup - yep got ya covered there too (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059595#msg1059595)

Anything else just ask and I’ll make something up. Most importantly have fun!
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: rogue69 20 May, 2021, 06:50:51 AM
Colin MacNeil 3 Simon Bisley 2
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Tomwe 20 May, 2021, 06:57:51 AM
Gotta remind myself it’s only 2000ad work that counts here, and as such:
Colin MacNeil - 2 (sorry Colin)

Simon Bisley - 3
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: broodblik 20 May, 2021, 07:34:44 AM
Colin MacNeil 3 Simon Bisley 2
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 20 May, 2021, 07:50:05 AM
Colin 4
Bisley 1

SBT
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Colin YNWA 20 May, 2021, 08:04:04 AM
Colin 4
Bisley 1

SBT

Thanks... oh... I see...
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Colin YNWA 20 May, 2021, 08:05:38 AM
Gotta remind myself it’s only 2000ad work that counts here, and as such:
Colin MacNeil - 2 (sorry Colin)

Simon Bisley - 3

I think that's a really good point in this one. Often artists have gone on to even better things on leaving the Prog. For me though Simon Bisley's best work by far is in Tharg's Organ and his later work has gone down hill.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Magnetica 20 May, 2021, 08:17:23 AM
MacNeil 4 : 1 Bisley
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: abelardsnazz 20 May, 2021, 08:23:25 AM
Simon shone brightly for his tenure in the GGC, but Colin has delivered so much consistently over the years it seems churlish not to recognise that.

Colin MacNeil 4, Simon Bisley 1.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Dudley 20 May, 2021, 08:46:51 AM
MacNeil 2
Bisley 3

It would be 2.5 apiece but that's not allowed, right?
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: broodblik 20 May, 2021, 08:47:52 AM
I agree that his earlier work especially Horned God was awesome but his later work was not that good

For me though Simon Bisley's best work by far is in Tharg's Organ and his later work has gone down hill.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: AlexF 20 May, 2021, 09:18:14 AM
McNeil 4, Bisley 1
Even if we're just basing it on work printed in 1990-1991, that's still McNeil on Song of the Surfer and America, vs Horned God and Judgement on Gotham, so not exactly an easy choice.
When you factor in Insurrection + a bajillion amazingly consistent Dredds, easy win for McNeil. Come on!

Also, are these the only two artists to illustrate on-panel ejaculations?
(Bisley in that one Heavy Metal Dredd, McNeil in that one Strange and Darke)
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Colin YNWA 20 May, 2021, 09:19:54 AM
It would be 2.5 apiece but that's not allowed, right?

That's right I demand a perference - DEMAND IT....
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: TordelBack 20 May, 2021, 09:27:20 AM
Bisley is one of the most important artists in the history of the comic,Black Hole and Horned God tower above all in their era (even Colin's early, brilliant, work is in their shadow), and he set a perhaps unfortunate but ultimately crucial target for many who came after - including Colin.

Colin debuted about a year before Bisley, with the very funny (to me) Ulysses Sweet, and has never stopped. I've spent ages in these various poll threads singing Colin's praises, his parade of ever-evolving disparate styles, his complete understanding of storytelling, his peerless bullet wounds, his crazy jagged shadows, the purely ludicrous number of pivotal stories he's been tasked with drawing (and whether their hallowed place in the canon owes just as much to how he drew them as the stories themselves)... I could and have gone on.  It's a measure of just how good Bisley is that he's managed to claw back even a single point against this force of nature.

Colin 4 to Bisley 1.

: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Dog Deever 20 May, 2021, 11:22:32 AM
Loved Bisley's ABC Warriors, some of Slaine Horned God was brilliant, but some of it really, really wasn't. What else is there really?
It's a walk in the park for Colin for me.
MacNeil Caledonian 4 Bisley Athletic FC 1
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: DrJomster 20 May, 2021, 12:32:51 PM
I’m with MacNeil block. Love his style of art. Plus he’s contributed so much!

Colin 4 Simon 1
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: sintec 20 May, 2021, 12:40:25 PM
There's no doubt that Bisley produced a couple of legendary strips for Tharg. But then so has MacNeil in fact more than just a couple.

MacNeil 3 : Bisley 2
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: milstar 20 May, 2021, 12:45:04 PM
Damn, another tough one after Frazer vs Steve match. 

Heartbroken, I give to Colin 3, Simon 2 (sorry Simon). Colin MacNeil work in America was nothing like I ever seen at that point and he bought me with that all the way. Simon's work in Horned God and Batman stints are no less than brilliant and if he continued drawing Batman, I am sure he'd be one of the definite Batman artist for sure.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: credo 20 May, 2021, 12:50:49 PM
MacNeil 3 vs Bisley 2

As much as Bisley's reimagining of Slaine and ABC Warriors (especially Hammerstein and Joe) meant to young me, MacNeil's Dredd work, Chopper and his title as "Only person who can hold a candle to Ezquerra when it comes to drawing Johnny Alpha", means that he has to take the win.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: I, Cosh 20 May, 2021, 01:23:41 PM
Obviously, Bisley's ABC Warriors is like nothing else and I didn't much care for MacNeil's early work. However, Simon's flame quickly fizzled out under the weight of its own hype while Colin has spent the last twenty restless years getting better and better.

MacNeil 4 - 1 Bisley
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: BPP 20 May, 2021, 01:41:52 PM
3-2 Colin.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: BPP 20 May, 2021, 01:54:00 PM
4-1 Collin.

He really is the Current big gun and what a time to play him.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Rogue Judge 20 May, 2021, 02:53:30 PM
Colin MacNeil 4: Simon Bisley 1
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: paddykafka 20 May, 2021, 04:54:23 PM
MacNeil Rovers (3) Bisley Town (2)
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Colin YNWA 22 May, 2021, 07:20:33 AM
We have a day on this one - so if you haven't vote yet between these two titans of the comic and indeed comic world now is the time to do so and I'll count up in the morning first thing.

So I better do just that hadn't I. The funny thing is about this vote is its an easy one for me. Yet ask me a slightly different question or ask me at a different time and my answers would be different. If we included influence in this rather than whose art you like then this would be close, not sure it would change who won but Simon Bisley would be much closer. Ask me in Bisley heyday in the early 90s when I was late teens into early 20s then Bisley would have romped this. Entirely.

Ask me now however and while I can see the talent I'm not a big fan of Bisley style - for all the impact its had - The Horned God is indeed stunning to look at and they way it drifts between styles is to be admired. And while Simon Bisley certianly lead the way with that piece at the time I think others have bettered it since. Indeed look at America by... you got it.

Colin MacNeil on the other hand - as well as sharing with me life's handicap of being called Colin - has done it all. Learnt on the page in front of us. Produced those painted wonders and then seen his art develop and evolve through Insurrection to the brilliance of his 'blocker' thicker lined current work, quite possible my favourite of all his stuff. The man is an artistic titan almost without measure and so:

Colin MacNeil 5 : Simon Bisley 0
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: JayzusB.Christ 22 May, 2021, 10:36:07 AM
Fair play.  I was mulling this one over in my head so much, I let the deadline pass.  For me, the Horned God features some of the most amazing art the prog has ever had.  It was an absolute revelation to me at the time and I still gaze in awe at it these days.  But then there's America, Song of the Surfer, Mechanismo, Johnny's death (well, I liked it), so I'm happy with that result.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: broodblik 22 May, 2021, 10:41:47 AM
Colin MacNeil on the other hand - as well as sharing with me life's handicap of being called Colin - has done it all. .............

Colin MacNeil 5 : Simon Bisley 0

Well, well we should name it and it is certainly nametism and people with same name should not be allowed to vote for people sharing it
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Colin YNWA 22 May, 2021, 10:46:10 AM
Well, well we should name it and it is certainly nametism and people with same name should not be allowed to vote for people sharing it

Trouble is folks called Simon would almost never be able to vote!
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Magnetica 22 May, 2021, 01:49:50 PM
Fair play.  I was mulling this one over in my head so much, I let the deadline pass.  For me, the Horned God features some of the most amazing art the prog has ever had.  It was an absolute revelation to me at the time and I still gaze in awe at it these days.  But then there's America, Song of the Surfer, Mechanismo, Johnny's death (well, I liked it), so I'm happy with that result.


The vote isn’t closed. That was just Colin casting his vote, not giving us the result.


So you still have time to give your score.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Colin YNWA 22 May, 2021, 03:03:11 PM
The vote isn’t closed. That was just Colin casting his vote, not giving us the result.


So you still have time to give your score.

Sorry missed that - good pick up Magnetica yes VOTE AWAY - VOTE NOW - this one is open until the morning still.
: Re: Colin MacNeil or Simon Bisley - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 14
: Colin YNWA 23 May, 2021, 07:18:03 AM
VOTING CLOSED

And I mean defo closed now. Sorry for anyone who missed it. Mind that said it would have taken a MASSIVE swing to turn this one around. This is also a massively significent result as it sees the side drawing for the first time since the second tie and marks the vote that sees the Current Team close a gap that had opened to 5 points at its peak. Now feeling like The Current Team had lost already they are tied and looking at scoring in the next vote could even take a lead? Well let's not get ahead of ourselves... Its fitting then that this vital tie and result should come from Colin O'Neil the winner of the Current Tourney. That he won wasn't a big surprise therefore. The margin of victory against an artist whose work had such impact might be. I guess the big question now is have they had to use too many of their big guns to close the gap?

Current Team 7 : Classic Team 7

Current Team 638 : Classic Team 686