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Started by Proudhuff, 21 September, 2013, 12:53:36 PM

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Sideshow Bob

Quote from: TordelBack on 22 September, 2013, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 22 September, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
Hypothetically speaking, couldn't some creepy old man pick up said comic and use it for 'recreational purposes'...  but I really don't think this material should be available on shop shelves for exactly that reason


Lost Girls cleverly re-imagines classic children's stories as tales of sexual awakening, which is practically a literary genre in itself, and then explores the nature of sexual desire with and between the adult versions of the characters, all through a pretty exquisite art nouveau filter and an archly literate comic structure.

What Tordelback says is true,  it's a novel of sexual awakenings and discovery, and to be honest ( it's been a while since I read it ) I don't remember there being any paedophilia in it, Hawkmonger..........

There was certainly homosexuality, and lashings of straight sex as well, and loads of pages depicting genitalia .......which is all fine, but as a 'wank mag' and fodder for 'creepy old men'.......Nahhh...
I think your mistaken assumption ( that it had paedophilia in it ), has led you to say " it shouldn't be available on the shop shelf for that reason"....

As I said in an earlier post, don't buy a copy of it first, but do try and get one ( borrow one ) to read......then decide....
I didn't like it, but not because of the sexual content, I just didn't think the story was worth telling despite both Author and Artists' best intentions....
Cheers..

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Professor Bear

Quote from: TordelBack on 22 September, 2013, 10:37:45 PMThe Daily Mail sends photographers to stalk and photograph 8-year old girls so it can publicly declare them attractive

Shortened that for you, TB.  If you fancy creeping yourself out, you should go to the Mail's website and type "all grown up" into the search engine - I for one expected better of a newspaper founded by a Nazi.

It's worth noting that Moore gets accused of all kinds of deviance on a regular basis, which is arguably his own fault for giving us comics fans the benefit of the doubt that we can approach a topic sensibly and not do the equivalent of tittering because teacher said "breasts" in class.  See also: "he's talking about gays and not going YUCK so he must be a bummer" and "his stories feature rape so he must get off on that sort of thing."

I recall there was a scene in My Neighbor Totorro where the dad shares a bath with his two underage daughters, but good luck lobbying accusations of that film being pedo-fodder - any fool knows it's pandering to furries.

JOE SOAP

Quote from: Sideshow Bob on 23 September, 2013, 12:44:32 AM
What Tordelback says is true,  it's a novel of sexual awakenings and discovery, and to be honest ( it's been a while since I read it ) I don't remember there being any paedophilia in it,


From what I remember, there are scenes of paedophilia in it all right, the significant ones are scenes of a family engaging in incest but it's shown to us as part of the comic within a comic conceit (The White Book) - making the point that any reactions of revulsion we (or the Daily Mail) may have towards it are purely of the mind - that it's not actual scenes of paedophilia and incest - it's simplistic, stylised line drawings of someone's fantasy of paedophilia and incest as related to us via a character reading it in a pictorial story-book while they're also engaging in an adult orgy in the main narrative.

The layering of this scene rather neatly encapsulates the whole aesthetic point of the comic: none of it is real pornography but an up-market Tijuana Bible with pretensions about sexual-repression, and the idea that it would play its part in the orgy of death that would be the end-result of World War I.

The comic is really only as 'filthy' as your own mind finds in cartoon pictures.



JOE SOAP

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 22 September, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
Hypothetically speaking, couldn't some creepy old man pick up said comic and use it for 'recreational purposes' on accounts of certain images?

They could still do that with a childrens clothing catalogue and I assume that would be a lot more likely than any comic filled with caricatures. If people are having those abhorrent thoughts there's little we can do about it other than to keep them away from actual children and stop the real sick images being produced and availed of.

Hawkmumbler

Got me there Tordlelback! Though I'm far from an advocate for the Mail anyway. The under age sex in LG I do find a bit much for me to be honest though.

Sideshow Bob

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 September, 2013, 02:00:56 AM
Quote from: Sideshow Bob on 23 September, 2013, 12:44:32 AM
What Tordelback says is true,  it's a novel of sexual awakenings and discovery, and to be honest ( it's been a while since I read it ) I don't remember there being any paedophilia in it,

From what I remember, there are scenes of paedophilia in it all right, the significant ones are scenes of a family engaging in incest but it's shown to us as part of the comic within a comic conceit (The White Book) - making the point that any reactions of revulsion we (or the Daily Mail) may have towards it are purely of the mind - that it's not actual scenes of paedophilia and incest - it's simplistic, stylised line drawings of someone's fantasy of paedophilia and incest as related to us via a character reading it in a pictorial story-book while they're also engaging in an adult orgy in the main narrative.


Thanks for that Mr Soap......
As I said it's been quite a while since I read it, and now you mention it,  I can vaguely remember that part....
The problem with Lost Girls for me, was nothing at all to do with the 'sexual' content at all, but just that the whole story was ( in my opinion ) pretty rubbish....A bit of a disappointment really, overall...

Cheers
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