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I think the new trailer looks amazing - something different (for this particular genre).
Joaquin Phoenix was a superb choice for this role.
Could be this years 'Logan'.
Haven't seen the trailer, but this Onion headline made me laugh
https://www.theonion.com/new-joker-trailer-introduces-iconic-villain-to-same-g-1833778036 (https://www.theonion.com/new-joker-trailer-introduces-iconic-villain-to-same-g-1833778036)
not excited yet, hopefully further trailers will be better for me
There is almost a 70s Taxi Driver vibe to The Joker Trailer. A seemingly put upon ordinary Gotham resident starts becoming increasingly deranged due to his grim circumstances. That was the gist of Alan Moore's 'The Killing Joke,' that one man exposed to a series of devastating personal experiences would go mad. This Movie looks bleak, and it's not copying the Marvel films but appears to be going for a much darker vision of Gotham and America. I read Martin Scorsese is an Executive Producer on the project and it sure shows. Intriguing.
It looks interesting but will they be able to have the film without a Batman? I hope so and I hope this indicates that DC aren't trying to keep up with Marvel anymore and instead just make good films.
It looks interesting, for sure, but by god (American?) script writers need to find some word other than "freak".
Getting some real urban violence vibes from this akin to Death Wish, which certainly is an interesting and fresh take on the backstory. I'll bite.
Didn't Scorcese make The King Of Comedy already?
Quote from: Professor Bear on 05 April, 2019, 01:45:02 PM
Didn't Scorcese make The King Of Comedy already?
Isn't there a glimpse and you'll miss it cameo in the trailer from that character too? Shared universe confirmed.
De Niro has said that it's not supposed to be the same character years later, but there is a thematic nod to his character in KoC
https://www.nme.com/news/film/robert-deniro-addresses-connection-joker-character-king-comedy-2471336 (https://www.nme.com/news/film/robert-deniro-addresses-connection-joker-character-king-comedy-2471336)
I'm not sure if the Joker should have a standard backstory - I prefer the multiple choice origin story of The Killing Joke and Heath Ledger's Joker.
But it does look like a cool film and I'm looking forward to it.
Well, that save me the effort of watching the film.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 05 April, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
That was the gist of Alan Moore's 'The Killing Joke,' that one man exposed to a series of devastating personal experiences would go mad.
More accurately, in
Killing Joke it was the Joker's proposition that
anyone exposed to a series of devastating personal experiences would go mad, that the entire world is just "one bad day" away from being the Joker. Crucially, what
Killing Joke has and this movie
appears not to have is the counterpoint of Jim Gordon, who disproves the Joker's contention by not going mad.
I'm never going to argue that
KJ is a good book, but I'd suggest basing a movie on it and stripping out that rather crucial element leaves you with the proposition that the modern world is horrible, violent and senseless and that madness and reciprocal violence are an understandable response to it.
I don't think that's helpful.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 April, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 05 April, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
That was the gist of Alan Moore's 'The Killing Joke,' that one man exposed to a series of devastating personal experiences would go mad.
More accurately, in Killing Joke it was the Joker's proposition that anyone exposed to a series of devastating personal experiences would go mad, that the entire world is just "one bad day" away from being the Joker. Crucially, what Killing Joke has and this movie appears not to have is the counterpoint of Jim Gordon, who disproves the Joker's contention by not going mad.
I'm never going to argue that KJ is a good book, but I'd suggest basing a movie on it and stripping out that rather crucial element leaves you with the proposition that the modern world is horrible, violent and senseless and that madness and reciprocal violence are an understandable response to it.
I don't think that's helpful.
That's a good point, although I notice there's a very brief shot of a cop on a train with a gun drawn and my initial thought was it was going to be Gordon? Marc Maron is in the casting too. If ever there was a physical living embodiment of Gordon walking the Earth, it could be him. Anyway.
QuoteMarc Maron is in the casting too. If ever there was a physical living embodiment of Gordon walking the Earth, it could be him. Anyway.
I'd never thought of this before, but hell yes.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 April, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
More accurately, in Killing Joke it was the Joker's proposition that anyone exposed to a series of devastating personal experiences would go mad, that the entire world is just "one bad day" away from being the Joker. Crucially, what Killing Joke has and this movie appears not to have is the counterpoint of Jim Gordon, who disproves the Joker's contention by not going mad.
The Joker's
insane - doesn't that invalidate his argument or the necessity for a counterpoint?
Quote from: Link Prime on 10 April, 2019, 02:47:36 PM
The Joker's insane - doesn't that invalidate his argument or the necessity for a counterpoint?
The number of people who think that Rorschach is the hero of Watchmen, or that Judge Dredd is a good model for law enforcement suggests to me that one should never underestimate an audience's capacity for missing the point.
Reported to Judge Pal.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 April, 2019, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 10 April, 2019, 02:47:36 PM
The Joker's insane - doesn't that invalidate his argument or the necessity for a counterpoint?
The number of people who think that Rorschach is the hero of Watchmen, or that Judge Dredd is a good model for law enforcement suggests to me that one should never underestimate an audience's capacity for missing the point.
It's not that they think they are the hero. It's that they want them characters to be the hero. Different thing altogether.
They know what they are doing is morally wrong but they like it. It's a catharsis.
We all want to punish the rude dickheads in life but these characters do it giving the reader an escape.
In my opinion.
I don't think they have missed the point at all.
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2019, 05:02:44 PM
I don't think they have missed the point at all.
I assure you that there is a non-trivial chunk of internet comic fans that has
very much missed the point of Dredd, at least.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 April, 2019, 02:50:11 PM
The number of people who think that Rorschach is the hero of Watchmen...
The older I get...
Quote...or that Judge Dredd is a good model for law enforcement...
The older I get...
Quote...suggests to me that one should never underestimate an audience's capacity for missing the point.
Any discussion forum, on any subject, will teach you that.
Regards,
Robin
It must be small, surely?
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2019, 05:40:08 PM
It must be small, surely?
There's no need to get personal.
Regards,
Robin
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 April, 2019, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2019, 05:02:44 PM
I don't think they have missed the point at all.
I assure you that there is a non-trivial chunk of internet comic fans that has very much missed the point of Dredd, at least.
The 20th July 2012 Colorado shooting was nearly 7 years ago. And yet as far as the collective Internets abilities to recall, it never happened. There really are nutters out there utilising their fictional idols to justify their warped world views.
"The Joker takes home top prize at Venice film festival". WTF?
I was anticipating something a little more adult and interesting than the usual popcorn super-heroics, but this is starting to sound like it might be different beast altogether.
Roll on October 4th.
That last trailer took me from WTF? to "must see".
Wow. Can't wait.