New Romance* comic from Rebellion - Kickstarter

[Jim_Campbell]

And Jim's right too - I should definitely be banned.

I didn't say that, and you know I didn't say that. I have no idea why you're being quite this confrontational, but, speaking as someone who was once such a stroppy bastard online that his reputation as such still dogs him a decade later, you're waaaay over the line into trolling here, Funt.

Step away from the keyboard and take a few deep breaths.

[The Monarch]

not for me but i hope it does well and gets into the hands of those it is for

seriously though people still think gordons ken? despite all the evidence to the contrary?

[BPP]

lol, sure he's not.


Although that would mean multiple 2000ad creators have lied to me on multiple occasions over many years.

[M.I.K.]

Okay... Devil's advocate mode...

It seems obvious to me that Funt wasn't intending to be deliberately misleading and was merely conveying the impression he got from BPP's initial post, (and made the effort to make it very clear that's what he was doing), but in retrospect I can totally understand how it could be misinterpreted by someone not entirely paying attention. So, yes, quotation box probably not best idea.

For the record, even if every creator involved with this were male, everything about the wording of BPP's comments would still have my back up to precisely the same degree and it's not the first time I've taken issue with somebody on here claiming that someone "can't draw" simply because they don't like their art style, (which seems particularly wrong-headed in this case, now that I've googled the names of the creators I was unfamiliar with).

[BPP]

Funny, Quick Look at your post history shows you perfectly happy to critique the professional output of thousands of creatives. From 2000ad logo designers, to the makers of torchwood and Star Trek and on...

You even have one expansive set of posts talking about how Tharg slagged of many of his own works and so readers should be allowed to do the same.

Which is of course entirely reasonable.

[Jim_Campbell]

everything about the wording of BPP's comments would still have my back up to precisely the same degree

To be clear: I'm not defending BPP's position here. I disagree with it, but Funt's posts are calculated to be inflammatory and combative and leap to a conclusion that BPP's own words here don't support. A more constructive engagement might have led to the same conclusion but going straight to the most fighty mode helps no one and gets us nowhere. It just puts us in trenches lobbing grenades at each other, and I'm so very, very tired of it.

This is (alledgedly) the "friendliest place on the internet". In my experience, that's not true... but maybe we ought to try a little bit harder to make it that way.

I appreciate the irony of the fact that I, of all people, should be saying this, but none of us is the same person we were five, ten, or twenty years ago. You've got more chance of changing someone's mind by engaging with them than you have by beating them with a stick.*

*Except Nazis, obviously. Find the biggest stick you can for Nazis. That, or shoot them in the nuts.

[The Monarch]

no kidding i look at some of my earlier posts and just cringe

[M.I.K.]

Funny, Quick Look at your post history shows you perfectly happy to critique the professional output of thousands of creatives. From 2000ad logo designers, to the makers of torchwood and Star Trek and on...

You even have one expansive set of posts talking about how Tharg slagged of many of his own works and so readers should be allowed to do the same.

Which is of course entirely reasonable.

Jesus... A "quick" look? How far back did you trawl through my posts?

Regardless, critiquing something is an entirely different thing to saying "this thing's crap" then not giving a reason why.

If I remember correctly, (and it was a hell of a while ago), I did not say that readers should be allowed to slag off 2000ad stories, I was making the point that if the readers had seen the same behaviour within the pages of the comic, then it shouldn't be surprising if they acted in the same way.

I'm going to guess that anything I said about Torchwood, (18 years ago, incidentally), stemmed mainly from the extremely questionable elements that rankled with me such as justification of, (a completely unnecessary), suicide, a plot involving a "lovable rogue" main character using what amounted to an alien date rape drug, every main character getting off with every other main character regardless of stated sexual preference or relationship status, and that nonsensical Cyberwoman episode, which seemed to have borrowed every single plot element from Garth Marenghi's Darkplace, (which did it better). But yes, I gave my reasons.

No idea what the hell I could've said about Star Trek unless it was a joke about the original being far superior because somebody with my surname was in charge.

No idea what I could've said about a logo unless it was the original Megazine one being way too big, (which it definitely was).

[nxylas]

no kidding i look at some of my earlier posts and just cringe

When somebody put a bunch of old Fantasy Advertisers up online, my first thought was "Oh Grud*, that means my old letters to them are going to resurface".

*=may not have been the actual word I used.

[Jim_Campbell]

may not have been the actual word I used.

"Stomm"...?

[Funt Solo]

I have no idea why you're being quite this confrontational

It's because this was going unanswered:

the let's pile on Ed Piskor mob

You can call it a red flag, and me the bull if you like. From my perspective, everything else is hand-waving, noise and conveniently feigned indignity. It is rather rich that I'm supposed to calmly and gently try to get to know someone who haphazardly throws a Piskor-bomb into the middle of a thread that started out as enthusiasm for a new project.

But, I was serious earlier - hands up and give up - mods can decide if they need to reprimand my salt.

[Jim_Campbell]

I'm supposed to calmly and gently try to get to know someone who haphazardly throws a Piskor-bomb into the middle of a thread that started out as enthusiasm for a new project.

I have friends directly affected/involved in/by that clusterfuck, so spare me your outrage. You're clearly spoiling for a fight. Just dial it down a bit — this isn't the 1990s any more.

[IndigoPrime]

I think I'd like to draw a line on this now. I'm considering what to do about the thread but I'm likely to splice it so the Kickstarter thread won't just be people arguing. If maybe below can just be a discussion about the Kickstarter, that would be good.

[M.I.K.]

Details of creators involved and contents again...

https://2000ad.com/news/roxy-a-contemporary-romance-anthology-to-get-your-heart-racing/