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Title: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Bat King on 05 October, 2014, 11:01:57 PM
Loved it - not re-read either story since publication.

Stays true to Dredd & true to Predator & Aliens. Great art.

Full review on my blog (http://judgetutorsemple.wordpress.com/2014/10/05/predator-vs-dredd-vs-aliens-from-2000ad-black-horse/)
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Proudhuff on 06 October, 2014, 06:54:43 PM
at £25 this will have to be under the Huffmas tree  :'(
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 06 October, 2014, 08:31:07 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 October, 2014, 06:54:43 PM
at £25 this will have to be under the Huffmas tree  :'(
Maybe we should have a forum secret santa and just let the droid give us stuff like this?
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Frank on 06 October, 2014, 08:53:44 PM

I read the Alien team-up recently, for the first time since it was in 2000ad. It's a six parts too-long version of the standard Dredd monster story, like Cry Of The Werewolf (good) or Nosferatu (not as good), but with Giger's alien doing a special guest star cameo, like Patrick McGoohan on Columbo.

Wagner's described being bored by the limitations of the Alien and Predator stories * so, like Michael Carroll's recent Goblin King story, there are sympathetic rookie judges who have to prove themselves and Undercity-dwelling villains with roles in wider Dredd continuity to extend the story beyond a 26 page punch-up between Dredd and the Xenomorph. Mr Bones gives Henry Flint a chance to see how his Zombo/Nimrod designs will look on the page, and I like the way all his shit plans to conquer the city involve using essentially quite unpredictable classic movie monsters. Maybe he set Dredd up with The Mummy in Book Of The Dead.

The Verminators quickly reveal themselves to be the team of mis-matched professionals with their own distinctive verbal shorthand every Alien story seems to have at its centre. The only difference is that their role here isn't central; they're peripheral characters who don't get the page-space necessary to emerge as individuals before they go splat, because Dredd has to do all the big action stuff and Sanchez has to stuff up so she can eventually win Dredd's respect and round off the story. I'm not sure why they weren't just the usual mix of mouthy-judge, rebel-judge, and judge-with-a-secret who populate other Team Dredd stories.


* "some characters are a pain from the word go. I call them 'who cares' stories. Every picture you write, every scene you try to force yourself to dream up, you're asking yourself why am I DOING this? Stories like Aliens and Predator, for instance. Both are 'one-joke' stories. They have one controlling idea and when that's been written you can only repeat yourself" (http://homepage.eircom.net/~okku/scifi/jwagner.htm)
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Bat King on 06 October, 2014, 09:35:43 PM
Well yes to John Wagner the stories are corporate tie-in stories that have to fit both the Dredd & the paired movie. So I imagine it was a grind for him. The result though I found fun.

Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Frank on 06 October, 2014, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Bat King on 06 October, 2014, 09:35:43 PM
Well yes to John Wagner the stories are corporate tie-in stories that have to fit both the Dredd & the paired movie. So I imagine it was a grind for him. The result though I found fun.

Yeah, it was fun and Flint is fantastic. It uses the monster in MC1 template I've enjoyed on other Dredd strips, I just thought it was too long. That's what The Verminators and Mr Bones are there for, isn't it; to string things out beyond Dredd-finds-Gigermonsters/Dredd-punches-Gigermonsters. The broad arc of the story wouldn't really have played out any differently if they hadn't been there.

I thought Andy Diggle was probably there to save Wagner reading up on Aliens lore, and they certainly make more use of the acid for blood angle than I remember the films doing. The potency of Alien blood seems further towards the red end of the PH paper than it was previously, mind - would one alien's splatter really have been able to burn a crater-sized hole all the way through the sked and the foundations that support the entire city?


Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: HdE on 07 October, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
I remember this was billed with thee tag line 'and other stories'.

Already owning the Aliens book, and having a dog eared copy of the Predator crossover, I'm wondering what else is in here?
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Dash Decent on 11 October, 2014, 01:54:26 PM
I liked the confrontation scene where the Judges suffer splashback damage as a consequence of trying to take down the Alien in a warehouse.  I thought it was a logical given what we were told about their 'acid blood' in the movies, and it seemed true-to-form in terms of humans reacting to a new threat.

Good use of a road flare too, if I remember rightly.

My son was only little when I first read this and seeing the Alien brooding over the baby in the crib was quite chilling for me at the time.

The art can only be described as Flintastic!
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Dash Decent on 11 October, 2014, 02:12:21 PM
Quote from: HdE on 07 October, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
I remember this was billed with thee tag line 'and other stories'.

Already owning the Aliens book, and having a dog eared copy of the Predator crossover, I'm wondering what else is in here?

Nothing, according to the review at Bat King's blog (mentioned above):

The wording on the cover is slightly odd 'Incubus and other stories' There are only two stories reprinted here. Incubus is an alternative name for Judge Dredd vs Aliens.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: HdE on 11 October, 2014, 03:10:11 PM
Well,that's a danged shame.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Daveycandlish on 12 October, 2014, 10:12:02 PM
I'm always wary of picking a book off the shelf in my LCS which is shrink wrapped. What are they trying to hide?
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 13 October, 2014, 09:07:16 AM
The Flint pop up chest buster center spread.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: James Stacey on 13 October, 2014, 09:36:55 AM
Quote from: Daveycandlish on 12 October, 2014, 10:12:02 PM
I'm always wary of picking a book off the shelf in my LCS which is shrink wrapped. What are they trying to hide?
If it's got a dustjacket, probably to stop it getting wrecked.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Recrewt on 13 October, 2014, 12:53:18 PM
Yeah, they had some shrink-wrapped copies of this in my LCS.  From the outside, it looks like a nicely done book but as others have mentioned, I'm not sure the stories are good enough for me to pay the RRP.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 October, 2014, 01:06:58 PM
It'll be interesting to see if this Dredd strip is skipped in the Case Files.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 13 October, 2014, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 October, 2014, 01:06:58 PM
It'll be interesting to see if this Dredd strip is skipped in the Case Files.
A lot of people have said it will, but I highly doub't it myself. Thats why I assumed this volume was created.

But I assume Molch-R is the best one to ask.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: James Stacey on 13 October, 2014, 02:27:58 PM
Robo-Keef would be the droid surely ?
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Mabs on 13 October, 2014, 03:21:44 PM
I really loved Judge Dredd: Incubus, I think I wrote my appreciation of it on here a while back. Yet to read the Predator story though, and that hardcover looks a bit too pricey for me. Let's hope my library gets a copy in real soon!  :D
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Boo on 17 October, 2014, 12:26:23 PM
I really fancy this but I already own a copy of Incubus (which I love) and I've been told the Pred stories aren't that great so a bit undecided really. Maybe if I see a cheap copy going somewhere...
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Grugz on 17 October, 2014, 07:19:16 PM
just do what I am ,on the xmas list
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 09 December, 2014, 04:13:13 AM
I want a Slaine version.

He might need to the forbidden weapons
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: James Stacey on 09 December, 2014, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 09 December, 2014, 04:13:13 AM
I want a Slaine version.

He might need to the forbidden weapons

Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens vs Slaine?

that could work.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 09 December, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 09 December, 2014, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 09 December, 2014, 04:13:13 AM
I want a Slaine version.

He might need to the forbidden weapons

Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens vs Slaine?

that could work.

Nw If I were Slaine I would team up with the Yaut-Ja, before moving on what's left of the Aliens after his lobby for the Spear of Sun goes through.

Just imagine the effects of the Sword of the Moon on the Aliens[/.b] exoskeleton. Turn the thing inside out.

Might need to resort to Leyser Weaponry if the alien's acid blood inconvenient for meele combat.

Or does a Warped Slaine pass the acid test?



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Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 24 December, 2014, 08:57:07 AM
ecbt2000ad review by meself
http://2000ad.wordpress.com/2014/12/15/predator-aliens-and-dredd-2/
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 14 January, 2015, 06:51:31 AM
Where exactly was Dredd in that video and by the way, that was an intersting segway onto Betty Page!
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 14 January, 2015, 02:24:52 PM
Sorry, that was never about Dredd I'm afraid, but I figured you might find my earlier interest in the Yaut-Ja interesting.....
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 14 January, 2015, 03:02:21 PM
Look I noticed you removed my video...maybe because it didn't have anything about Dredd in it and then there I was showing off a photo book filled with Betty Page posing in the nude, yet tastefully done.

Sorry bout that!

I honestly thought that showing off my Predator/Alien x-over and that one Terminator GN's were appropriate to the subject here.

Preferably the former.

About my videos, I spent about two days between bouts of rest and eating and drinking and doing those regarding a portion of my comic book collection and that wasn't even all of them, because I decided to throw it in and get back into gaming videos.

Anyway, I just kept the camera rolling and never bothered to edit my videos, categorising the material in my videos any more neatly.

Having a video with what It thought you were all talking about here shared with some retro -soft porn was un-intential. I was just randomly going through my collection.

Well, some of it and on that subject, that Betty Page book is the only soft-porn I have aside from some work from Richard Corben. I have few of his books .....

And then there are the magazines I keep under the desk in my old room!

They won't be mentioned...haven't touch those scrolls in years....



Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 14 January, 2015, 03:09:04 PM
I never removed it, that's way beyond my power here :-X
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Richmond Clements on 14 January, 2015, 05:39:37 PM
Thryllseekyr, you seem to be incapable of absorbing advice or understanding the reasons the video was deleted, despite having it explained to you, so I'll try it here and maybe you'll read it.
If you want to watch and talk about porn or your sexual fantasies there's a whole internet out there to do so. THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR THAT DISCUSSION.

Clear?
(That'll be a yes or no answer - not a long essay)
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 14 January, 2015, 10:29:54 PM
Come on. you making me feel like I'm your dog with these personal restrictions.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 January, 2015, 11:54:01 AM
These are not "personal restrictions" in the sense of being directed at you. These are forum-wide rules, to which everyone must abide by. Don't take it personally when we remove content that is not suitable for this board.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 15 January, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
I thought Betty Page nudes were safe....they are more high art than porn.

BTW.....

I have Incubus as well...

I remember the forward written by Simon Pegg himself.

Also, I just saw the episode of Doctor Who where he is some creepy dude enslaving all these people to some alien entity. It was one of the first episodes from the new series.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: CAN1F on 04 March, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
I really didn't enjoy the predator story, predator was poorly used and appeared to be a dog hit by a car more than a lethal hunter
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: All-Comic on 15 March, 2015, 11:08:34 PM
Just read this the other night (in one sitting) and man, this was some fantastic stuff. Especially having Mechanismo so fresh in my mind, this collection really left an impression. The art was great, the stories were great and, frankly, it made me wish there was more of it out there.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 February, 2022, 09:05:26 PM
Read Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens tonight... it was pretty rubbish.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 09 February, 2022, 09:20:41 PM
Haha, for a moment by the powers of thread necromancy I thought this was about Incubus and vs. Predator (Megazine) both of which, for all their faults, I think are actually pretty great.

The IDW series I never read and even if I did can't help but think it would slip right out of my mind.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Link Prime on 15 February, 2022, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 09 February, 2022, 09:05:26 PM
Read Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens tonight... it was pretty rubbish.

And not even fun rubbish.
Title: Re: Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens
Post by: Rogue Judge on 14 March, 2022, 04:21:21 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 15 February, 2022, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 09 February, 2022, 09:05:26 PM
Read Predator vs Dredd vs Aliens tonight... it was pretty rubbish.

And not even fun rubbish.

Sadly the story was very rubbish BUT I thought the art by Chris Mooneyham was pretty solid, he draws a good Dredd and Lawmaster.