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Title: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 February, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Michael has said on the podcast that he's going to upset a lot of people this year and in Previews it says that in the Michael Carroll & Colin MacNeil strip The Grindstone Cowboys a tragedy awaits that will have major repercussions for Mega-City One!

Is he really gonna kill someone off and if so, who?

I'm gonna side with Hershey, purely for the reason that she's been alive too long and the death of the Chief Judge can sway the power either way, as someone else takes the position. They can be more stern or move to a more relaxed way of policing the streets. Obviously not too liberal :lol:
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Colin YNWA on 04 February, 2016, 08:00:15 PM
Well its the 40th Anniversary so its going to be big. How big is the question. Of course if it was going to be the biggest that would be... nah surely not... surely...
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: The Adventurer on 04 February, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
Rico.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Andy Lambert on 04 February, 2016, 08:15:24 PM
I'd go with Hershey too.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: vzzbux on 04 February, 2016, 08:28:34 PM
Hershey, maybe DeMarco. Rico hasn't been in the prog enough to be significant enough to make impact waves (which is a good thing as his exploits are getting lost in the big meg).






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Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Spikes on 04 February, 2016, 08:28:49 PM
No! Not Babs!

Vienna, maybe?? Then they can use the tagline 'Goodnight, Vienna'......
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Professor Bear on 04 February, 2016, 08:34:44 PM
Colin McNeil drawing it, so probably Beeny.  That'll be good for a few angry emails.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 04 February, 2016, 08:48:07 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 February, 2016, 07:29:58 PM

Is he really gonna kill someone off and if so, who?


That guy in the flying bath from Prog 2000?
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Buttonman on 04 February, 2016, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully not Russell Muscle or Slick Dickens.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Zenith 666 on 04 February, 2016, 09:35:46 PM
Joyce?
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: The Adventurer on 04 February, 2016, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: Scolaighe Ó'Bear on 04 February, 2016, 08:34:44 PM
Colin McNeil drawing it, so probably Beeny.  That'll be good for a few angry emails.

If by 'angry email' you mean burn down Tharg's Nerve Center, yes.

Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 04 February, 2016, 10:19:48 PM
I really hope it's not Hershey.  Or Beeny for that matter; she's a potential Chief Judge (give it 25 years, you'll see).  Or Joyce; nice to see one of our own doing well in the big city. 

What's that other old dude in the strip again?  He'll do.  Joe something or other.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 04 February, 2016, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 04 February, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
Rico.

It isn't Rico (or Koburn).

From the Forbidden Planet preview of Meg 371; "Following the explosive finale to 'The Grindstone Cowboys' in 2000 AD, Rico and Koburn team up for 'Dust to Dust' by Michael Carroll and Henry Flint".
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: DrRocka on 05 February, 2016, 01:10:23 AM
Pj maybe? Where can I read these previews?
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: The Adventurer on 05 February, 2016, 05:16:24 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 February, 2016, 10:19:48 PM
I really hope it's not Hershey.  Or Beeny for that matter; she's a potential Chief Judge (give it 25 years, you'll see).

Chief Judge Beeny + Mega City 1 Mayor Dolman is my dream scenario.

Quote from: Link Prime on 04 February, 2016, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 04 February, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
Rico.

It isn't Rico (or Koburn).

From the Forbidden Planet preview of Meg 371; "Following the explosive finale to 'The Grindstone Cowboys' in 2000 AD, Rico and Koburn team up for 'Dust to Dust' by Michael Carroll and Henry Flint".
Now THAT is a team up I can get behind.
Title: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: James Stacey on 05 February, 2016, 08:18:07 AM
Tragedy doesn't mean someone is going to die. If it is though, I doubt it will be Beeny as her death wouldn't have major repercussions for the city. If it's someone like Hershey it's a bit of an indicator Mr Wagner might be taking a back seat in the strip. :(
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Satanist on 05 February, 2016, 11:48:06 AM
Twagedy for Walter?
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 05 February, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 05 February, 2016, 08:18:07 AM
Tragedy doesn't mean someone is going to die. If it is though, I doubt it will be Beeny as her death wouldn't have major repercussions for the city. If it's someone like Hershey it's a bit of an indicator Mr Wagner might be taking a back seat in the strip. :(

Y'know, this thread was giving me a serious feeling of unease, and I couldn't put a finger on why that was.  You've nailed it though.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 05 February, 2016, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 05 February, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 05 February, 2016, 08:18:07 AM
Tragedy doesn't mean someone is going to die. If it is though, I doubt it will be Beeny as her death wouldn't have major repercussions for the city. If it's someone like Hershey it's a bit of an indicator Mr Wagner might be taking a back seat in the strip. :(

Y'know, this thread was giving me a serious feeling of unease, and I couldn't put a finger on why that was.  You've nailed it though.

I wouldn't jump the gun yet, only a few weeks ago we had the Dredd dream team of Wagner / MacNeil on double-duty in the the Prog and Meg.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 05 February, 2016, 12:49:32 PM
With Mike's recent stint on DeMarco PI, she was my initial suspicion for the dirt-nap.

The preview for 'Dust to Dust'* has me thinking otherwise. Giant perhaps?


*(NB- It will be great to see a Carroll / Flint team-up) 
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: mejustnow on 05 February, 2016, 01:15:30 PM
In an existential move Michael Carroll is going to kill hope.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Steve Green on 05 February, 2016, 01:22:25 PM
Everyone.

Mike's made a 3D model of a TAD so realistic, it actually works.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: NapalmKev on 05 February, 2016, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 February, 2016, 07:29:58 PM


a tragedy awaits that will have major repercussions for Mega-City One


The death of Judge Joseph Dredd. I don't believe the demise of any other characters would affect the City in the way Dredd's death would.

Cheers
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 05 February, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: NapalmKev on 05 February, 2016, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 February, 2016, 07:29:58 PM


a tragedy awaits that will have major repercussions for Mega-City One


The death of Judge Joseph Dredd. I don't believe the demise of any other characters would affect the City in the way Dredd's death would.

Cheers

Could be. At least the apparent death of Judge Joseph Dredd.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 05 February, 2016, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 05 February, 2016, 01:22:25 PM
Everyone.

Mike's made a 3D model of a TAD so realistic, it actually works.

Well, that will certainly shake a few things up in, and indeed outside of, Dredd continuity.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Skullmo on 05 February, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
To celebrate your continued enjoyment of the story we will give you  . . . one less character to enjoy.

I hope it is Dredd. And the people can act like a superhero has died. And Rico can think 'but can i fill his boots?'. And people can cry. Then a few months later he can come back and people can say 'oh great'. Sigh. - event comics.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Frank on 05 February, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 05 February, 2016, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 05 February, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 05 February, 2016, 08:18:07 AM
Tragedy doesn't mean someone is going to die. If it is though, I doubt it will be Beeny as her death wouldn't have major repercussions for the city. If it's someone like Hershey it's a bit of an indicator Mr Wagner might be taking a back seat in the strip. :(

Y'know, this thread was giving me a serious feeling of unease, and I couldn't put a finger on why that was.  You've nailed it though.

I wouldn't jump the gun yet, only a few weeks ago we had the Dredd dream team of Wagner / MacNeil on double-duty in the the Prog and Meg

Yeah, but MacNeil and Flint are the equivalent of an orb and sceptre; killing a major character as part of the big Summer event story places the crown on Carroll's glowing pate. Michael Carroll is definitely now the writer charged with shaping the direction of the strip.

Wagner's on record as saying he intended Day Of Chaos to be his last story before retirement. If he's stepping back from controlling the future of the strip, that explains why some have found recent Wagner Dredd to lack the expected sense of taking the strip forward.

I can't see Carroll killing Beeny, for the same reason he won't kill off Gerhart or Maitland. Each Dredd writer has their own bit of turf, and Beeny is Wagner territory. If they're looking to signal Carroll's authority over the strip, Hershey's death would be the most obvious choice.


Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Skullmo on 05 February, 2016, 03:12:54 PM
My understanding is that Wagner is still writing Dredd stories.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2016, 03:17:08 PM


Michael Carroll will commit seppuku live in the comic.

Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Tjm86 on 05 February, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
TBH if it is going to be anyone I kind of hope it is Hershey.  I just can't get behind the dynamics there.  I can't quite put my finger on what it is about her as CJ but it really just doesn't work properly for me.  Sorry.

And to Mr Soap:  loving the single entendre there.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Steve Green on 05 February, 2016, 05:13:11 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 05 February, 2016, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 05 February, 2016, 01:22:25 PM
Everyone.

Mike's made a 3D model of a TAD so realistic, it actually works.

Well, that will certainly shake a few things up in, and indeed outside of, Dredd continuity.

I'm sure it still wouldn't count as canon for some ;)
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: BPP on 05 February, 2016, 05:17:36 PM
Doleman innit. A Dredd by default.

Really only Carrolls stand-out addition to Dreddworld was bringing him back. He certainly shouldn't be allowed to kill of anyone else characters. I guess the Irish lad and the Russian are floating around his dull take on Dredd.

Maybe it'll be the Queen. Afterall we did get that ham-fisted orish 'fxxkin brits' tosh a few months ago.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Frank on 05 February, 2016, 05:20:40 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 05 February, 2016, 03:12:54 PM
My understanding is that Wagner is still writing Dredd stories

Yeah, but that's what I meant when I was talking about each writer having their own bit of turf. Wagner's recent stories have all been very self contained - events in a single block, a single (secret) unit of the department, a magic whistle from the future - with only the appointment of Beeny to the council registering on the continuitometer.

In the same way that Carroll and Williams had their own rep company and storylines that buzzed along in the background without stepping on Wagner's toes, I'm sure whatever Wagner has planned for Beeny and PJ Maybe will do nothing to interfere with whatever Matt Smith and his writer of choice decide the next mega-epic should be*.

I'm writing as if it's a fait accompli; it's not, but a Summer event story and a high profile death seem like editorial's emphatic response to the idea that if Wagner didn't write it it didn't happen.


* Arthur Wyatt and Ben Willsher's Mechanismo Reborn? Ian Edginton and D'Israeli's War Of Dredd's World? Michael Carroll and Greg Staples's The Revenge Of Sabbat?
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: The Adventurer on 05 February, 2016, 05:26:46 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 05 February, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
TBH if it is going to be anyone I kind of hope it is Hershey.  I just can't get behind the dynamics there.  I can't quite put my finger on what it is about her as CJ but it really just doesn't work properly for me.  Sorry.

And to Mr Soap:  loving the single entendre there.

I loved Hershey as Chief Judge, and I LOVED that she went into self imposed exile when Francisco got the Chief Judge job. I HATED having her resume the role after that fiasco. I thought that was just a little too rapid a back peddle. And she hasn't really felt like the same character since her return. To the point for a while I thought she wasn't the real deal.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: BPP on 05 February, 2016, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 05 February, 2016, 05:26:46 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 05 February, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
TBH if it is going to be anyone I kind of hope it is Hershey.  I just can't get behind the dynamics there.  I can't quite put my finger on what it is about her as CJ but it really just doesn't work properly for me.  Sorry.

And to Mr Soap:  loving the single entendre there.

I loved Hershey as Chief Judge, and I LOVED that she went into self imposed exile when Francisco got the Chief Judge job. I HATED having her resume the role after that fiasco. I thought that was just a little too rapid a back peddle. And she hasn't really felt like the same character since her return. To the point for a while I thought she wasn't the real deal.

The Hersey / Dredd tensions around Trifecta were great tho. This 'my position means our relationship has changed' dislike of Dredd (last seen in the shooting down of the Enceladus shuttle over MC1) is a real key point that should be explored in depth. Maybe even resulting in Dredd being totally isolated a la Edgar for his clashes with the CJ who knows him best.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Tjm86 on 05 February, 2016, 05:39:28 PM
I will agree that the Trifecta tension worked well.  The recent Enceladus follow up (can't remember the title off the top of my head) didn't so much.  Perhaps you hit the nail on the head BPP when you said it was something that should be explored.  The lack of depth may be the real problem, giving it the appearance of being contrived.  It would be nice to see this explored properly as a running subthread leading up to a suitably dramatic resolution against the backdrop of the next major catastrophe to assail what is left of MC1 (MC 0.00001 perhaps now, I mean what percentage of the original meg is actually left?)
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: ZenArcade on 05 February, 2016, 08:23:41 PM
If Mike kills off my Barbara, I'll be heading to Dublin with a loaded musket!! Z
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Zenith 666 on 05 February, 2016, 11:35:25 PM
I was going to hunt link down earlier because I thought that Rico and Koburn team up was cruel lies but it's not its bloody true WOO!!!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 05 February, 2016, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: BPP on 05 February, 2016, 05:17:36 PM
Doleman innit. A Dredd by default.

Really only Carrolls stand-out addition to Dreddworld was bringing him back. He certainly shouldn't be allowed to kill of anyone else characters. I guess the Irish lad and the Russian are floating around his dull take on Dredd.

Maybe it'll be the Queen. Afterall we did get that ham-fisted orish 'fxxkin brits' tosh a few months ago.
So, SO much wrong in this one post I need to go and take a long lie down.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 06 February, 2016, 12:49:38 AM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 05 February, 2016, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: BPP on 05 February, 2016, 05:17:36 PM
Doleman innit. A Dredd by default.

Really only Carrolls stand-out addition to Dreddworld was bringing him back. He certainly shouldn't be allowed to kill of anyone else characters. I guess the Irish lad and the Russian are floating around his dull take on Dredd.

Maybe it'll be the Queen. Afterall we did get that ham-fisted orish 'fxxkin brits' tosh a few months ago.
So, SO much wrong in this one post I need to go and take a long lie down.

And that was after it was edited...
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: TordelBack on 06 February, 2016, 08:17:27 AM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 05 February, 2016, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: BPP on 05 February, 2016, 05:17:36 PM
Doleman innit. A Dredd by default.

Really only Carrolls stand-out addition to Dreddworld was bringing him back. He certainly shouldn't be allowed to kill of anyone else characters. I guess the Irish lad and the Russian are floating around his dull take on Dredd.

Maybe it'll be the Queen. Afterall we did get that ham-fisted orish 'fxxkin brits' tosh a few months ago.
So, SO much wrong in this one post I need to go and take a long lie down.

Have to agree with Hawk.   Obviously it's all a matter of taste, but still.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: BPP on 07 February, 2016, 12:39:29 AM
Its a matter of taste and I don't think it needs elaborated on.

Nor do I think it needs a chorus of disapproval.

I refrained for commenting on those who were expressing dislike of Rob Williams work the other day.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 07 February, 2016, 12:58:00 AM
Quote from: BPP on 07 February, 2016, 12:39:29 AM
Its a matter of taste and I don't think it needs elaborated on.
I refrained for commenting on those who were expressing dislike of Rob Williams work the other day.
Those people are also heartless monsters!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 07 February, 2016, 02:28:35 AM
It was mainly the 'fxxx the brits' idea I found wrong.  I really, really don't think that was the message.  You're entitled to dislike who you want.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 07 February, 2016, 06:54:26 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 07 February, 2016, 02:28:35 AM
It was mainly the 'fxxx the brits' idea I found wrong.  I really, really don't think that was the message.  You're entitled to dislike who you want.

Just re-reading that; I meant you're entitled to dislike any writer you want; not any nationality.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: TordelBack on 07 February, 2016, 11:24:10 AM
I'm sure a guy who's had over 400 pages of Dredd comics (plus prose novels) published in the last 5 years (according to Barney) doesn't need defending by some internet nobodies, but at the same time if someone describes that work as 'dull' and 'tosh', I will publicly disagree. It is a matter of taste, and there's mine.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: ZenArcade on 07 February, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
Give 'em hell Tordel. Z
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 08 February, 2016, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: Tordelback on 07 February, 2016, 11:24:10 AM
I'm sure a guy who's had over 400 pages of Dredd comics (plus prose novels) published in the last 5 years (according to Barney) doesn't need defending by some internet nobodies, but at the same time if someone describes that work as 'dull' and 'tosh', I will publicly disagree. It is a matter of taste, and there's mine.
All of this.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Magnetica on 08 February, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
I'll add my voice to that as well. I really like Michael Carroll's Dredd and always enjoy his stories. 

For example, the one in the Prog right now.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Eme on 09 February, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 February, 2016, 07:29:58 PM


I'm gonna side with Hershey, purely for the reason that she's been alive too long and the death of the Chief Judge can sway the power either way, as someone else takes the position. They can be more stern or move to a more relaxed way of policing the streets. Obviously not too liberal :lol:[/color]

I got the feeling that the Judge Dawkins ( ? )  from the recent Enceladus(?) storyline was being lined up for next CJ
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Proudhuff on 09 February, 2016, 05:42:14 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 08 February, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
I'll add my voice to that as well. I really like Michael Carroll's Dredd and always enjoy his stories. 

For example, the one in the Prog right now.

^^^ this. just like my opinion man.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Proudhuff on 09 February, 2016, 05:43:37 PM
oh and my money is on Beeny, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2016, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eme on 09 February, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
I got the feeling that the Judge Dawkins ( ? )  from the recent Enceladus(?) storyline was being lined up for next CJ

Probably not going to happen now that he's dead...
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Eme on 09 February, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2016, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eme on 09 February, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
I got the feeling that the Judge Dawkins ( ? )  from the recent Enceladus(?) storyline was being lined up for next CJ

Probably not going to happen now that he's dead...
when did he die? ( I've probably forgotten a panel). ( I'm talking about the one that made it to the bottom and shot all the ice remains up, might even have his name wrong)
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2016, 10:59:07 PM
Quote from: Eme on 09 February, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2016, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eme on 09 February, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
I got the feeling that the Judge Dawkins ( ? )  from the recent Enceladus(?) storyline was being lined up for next CJ

Probably not going to happen now that he's dead...
when did he die? ( I've probably forgotten a panel). ( I'm talking about the one that made it to the bottom and shot all the ice remains up, might even have his name wrong)

The black chap was Sam, and even if he's still alive he was a Brit-Cit Judge, so... still probably not Chief Judge any time soon!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Eme on 10 February, 2016, 01:37:03 PM
ta DJ, I didn't notice that
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 09 March, 2016, 01:32:15 PM
I've just finished listening to the third part of the John Wagner interview and it seems that he's killing off a character. I'm wondering what exactly is happening now!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: BPP on 09 March, 2016, 01:53:12 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 09 March, 2016, 01:32:15 PM
I've just finished listening to the third part of the John Wagner interview and it seems that he's killing off a character. I'm wondering what exactly is happening now!

I KILLED JOE DREDD
NO, I KILLED JOE DREDD
NO, i KILLED JOE DREDD...
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Steve Green on 09 March, 2016, 01:56:22 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 09 March, 2016, 01:32:15 PM
I've just finished listening to the third part of the John Wagner interview and it seems that he's killing off a character. I'm wondering what exactly is happening now!

There are plenty of characters for everyone to kill off...
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 09 March, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
KILL FRENZY :lol:
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Steve Green on 09 March, 2016, 02:11:11 PM
It's obviously going to be Judge Burdis.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Mike Carroll on 09 March, 2016, 02:13:19 PM
This is a fun thread to follow!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 09 March, 2016, 02:14:47 PM
Not much more given away in the Forbidden Planet preview of Meg 372; "Judges Rico and Koburn head deeper into the Cursed Earth in Judge Dredd: 'Dust to Dust' by Michael Carroll and Henry Flint"

https://forbiddenplanet.com/180783-judge-dredd-megazine-372/
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 09 March, 2016, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 09 March, 2016, 02:13:19 PM
This is a fun thread to follow!

For you! 
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Steve Green on 09 March, 2016, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 09 March, 2016, 02:13:19 PM
This is a fun thread to follow!

Rico runs over a 100  year old Minty...
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Proudhuff on 09 March, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
There aren't enough people left in MC1 now that aren't main characters to justify redshirting anyone, so it will HAVE to be a mainstay...
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: James Stacey on 09 March, 2016, 04:17:12 PM
Not ... Guthrie ?
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 09 March, 2016, 04:49:12 PM
It's Demarco, isn't it? I swear to grud Carroll, if you lay a FINGER on my freckley little fave I'll not be responsible for my actions!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 March, 2016, 05:34:39 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 09 March, 2016, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 09 March, 2016, 02:13:19 PM
This is a fun thread to follow!

Rico runs over a 100  year old Minty...

Don't you mean Murray?
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: BPP on 10 March, 2016, 05:58:44 PM
Polar Bears get 15 - 18 years so that one running around with Max Normal a few years back probably could be deaded. Of natural causes. In a final panel unrelated to the rest of the strip.

'Ack!'
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: jabish on 11 March, 2016, 12:35:53 AM
My bet is either Dolman or De Marco. John Wagner has moves away from both those characters it seems and especially with him announcing that he's killing someone else off himself Michael Carroll is not gonna get the nod to off a major character like Hershey or Beeny. I don't mind as long as the stories are good, that's the main thing.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 11 March, 2016, 01:07:33 AM
Dolman, possibly.
De Marco, I don't think so.

There needs to be a connection to Rico and / or Koburn if their adventure in the Cursed Earth directly follows on from the death of this mystery character.

The fact Grindstone Cowboy's will be set in the Cursed Earth (before the Rico / Koburn story) and will have 'major repercussions' has led this Belgian detective to one conclusion; it has to (seemingly) be: Judge Joseph Dredd.

And I think we can expect a continuation of the Judge Joyce storyline (by Carroll & Holden) to run in the Prog concurrently to Dust to Dust in the Meg, both sans Dredd.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Skullmo on 11 March, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
I really hope it's not a death of superman thing
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 11 March, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 March, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
I really hope it's not a death of superman thing

In Tharg we trust.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Proudhuff on 11 March, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 11 March, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 March, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
I really hope it's not a death of superman thing

In Tharg we trust.

That's the next Christmas cover starpline sorted!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Satanist on 11 March, 2016, 10:18:58 AM
The mutant Fargo clan and their comedy chins. Wipe them out, all of them.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Dash Decent on 11 March, 2016, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 March, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
I really hope it's not a death of superman thing

Hardly - he's in a different comic altogether!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Skullmo on 11 March, 2016, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 11 March, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 11 March, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 March, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
I really hope it's not a death of superman thing

In Tharg we trust.

That's the next Christmas cover starpline sorted!

Christmas prog = 5 Dredds return: Steel Dredd, Dreddboy, RoboDredd, Dredd from the future, mullet dredd
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Woolly on 11 March, 2016, 05:19:40 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 March, 2016, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 11 March, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 11 March, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: Skullmo on 11 March, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
I really hope it's not a death of superman thing

In Tharg we trust.

That's the next Christmas cover starpline sorted!

Christmas prog = 5 Dredds return: Steel Dredd, Dreddboy, RoboDredd, Dredd from the future, mullet dredd

You forgot TransformerDredd, where his entire personality and memories have been downloaded onto a 3.5" floppy and uploaded into Walter.  ;)

Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if its [spoiler]Alpha[/spoiler] who gets offed.
[spoiler]It'd be typical Wagner to bring him back, and then give him the ending he deserves (whatever that may be).[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2016, 05:22:29 PM
Not sure Carroll would be aloud near Stronty Dog, Wooly. Not after The Final Solution!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: dweezil2 on 11 March, 2016, 06:40:28 PM
Is Tweak still alive?

I bet it's Tweak-or maybe Wagner's got dibs on him!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Skullmo on 12 March, 2016, 12:58:18 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 11 March, 2016, 06:40:28 PM
Is Tweak still alive?

I bet it's Tweak-or maybe Wagner's got dibs on him!!!!!!!!

whatever happened to Tweak - AMAZING
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: dweezil2 on 12 March, 2016, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: Skullmo on 12 March, 2016, 12:58:18 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 11 March, 2016, 06:40:28 PM
Is Tweak still alive?

I bet it's Tweak-or maybe Wagner's got dibs on him!!!!!!!!

whatever happened to Tweak - AMAZING


I think Tweak's last appearance was in a Meg story several years ago, I can't remember how the story concluded, but I'm sure he was still alive by the end of it.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 12 March, 2016, 10:32:00 AM
Yeah, Bring Back Tweak!!!!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Woolly on 12 March, 2016, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2016, 05:22:29 PM
Not sure Carroll would be aloud near Stronty Dog, Wooly. Not after The Final Solution!

Doh! Confused this thread and the Thrill-cast!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: WhizzBang on 12 March, 2016, 01:28:14 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 12 March, 2016, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: Skullmo on 12 March, 2016, 12:58:18 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 11 March, 2016, 06:40:28 PM
Is Tweak still alive?

I bet it's Tweak-or maybe Wagner's got dibs on him!!!!!!!!

whatever happened to Tweak - AMAZING


I think Tweak's last appearance was in a Meg story several years ago, I can't remember how the story concluded, but I'm sure he was still alive by the end of it.

If it was 'Whatever happened to Tweak?' then he is. A new age type person visits Tweak planet and gushes forth silly nonsense and then asks Tweak if she can bring more pilgrims to his world. He says she has to ask Judge Dredd for permission and so she heads back to MC1 and asks him and he duly has her locked up.

It's a nice little Pat Mills short and would have make a great post-script to the forthcoming Cursed Earth book.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Echidna on 13 March, 2016, 08:20:14 PM
My money's on Hershey - too many stories left to tell with Beeny, and she in particular is Wagner's territory. Of course, if Wagner's offing someone too...

It could be...

I hate to even suggest it, but...

Anderson?
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Albion on 13 March, 2016, 09:23:45 PM
I hope it's not Alec Trench.  :'(
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Big_Dave on 13 March, 2016, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 13 March, 2016, 08:20:14 PM
My money's on Hershey - too many stories left to tell with Beeny, and she in particular is Wagner's territory. Of course, if Wagner's offing someone too...

It could be...

I hate to even suggest it, but...

Anderson?

anderson isnt wagner territory
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: oshii on 13 March, 2016, 10:11:16 PM
Just so long as it's not Beeny. Be a terrible waste of possible directions to take if it is.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 14 March, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
Glen or Abraham.  Probably Abraham.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 14 March, 2016, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 14 March, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
Glen or Abraham.  Probably Abraham.

He'd make an impressive walker, in fairness.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Muon on 15 March, 2016, 09:03:18 AM
I'm not sure if the idea of killing off a character is a prank now... But as my first thought was Hershey as the character didn't seem to be going anywhere, my "that's just what they'll be expecting us to do" instinct has kicked in...

Now I reckon Jonny Alpha will be killed by a big monster thing and then resurrected a bit later. Hershey not to die but to have a massive epic devoted to her all about a mysterious past nobody knew about (like she's actually Tweak in disguise or an android controlled by a mysterious cabal of disgruntled judges that has only just come to light...)
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Proudhuff on 29 March, 2016, 03:03:19 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 14 March, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
Glen or Abraham.  Probably Abraham.

Glen's dead baby, Glen's dead.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 29 March, 2016, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 29 March, 2016, 03:03:19 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 14 March, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
Glen or Abraham.  Probably Abraham.

Glen's dead baby, Glen's dead.

I really hope you haven't spoiled the latest Walking Dead episode for me.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Proudhuff on 29 March, 2016, 04:57:10 PM
I don't know I'm watching it on steam driven council TV...
in the comics however... I'm up to date  :D
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: sheridan on 30 March, 2016, 12:45:36 PM
Quote from: Bogbrush on 15 March, 2016, 09:03:18 AM
Now I reckon Jonny Alpha will be killed by a big monster thing and then resurrected a bit later. Hershey not to die but to have a massive epic devoted to her all about a mysterious past nobody knew about (like she's actually Tweak in disguise or an android controlled by a mysterious cabal of disgruntled judges that has only just come to light...)
Hershey can make a big error of Judgement, leave the Big Meg on the Long Walk, then crop up a few years later, with a goatee!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: BLAZINOAH on 30 March, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
As long as it isn't Dredd, Rico II or Beeny, I don't care!

Personally, I hope it's Tharg!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 March, 2016, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: Bogbrush on 15 March, 2016, 09:03:18 AM
Hershey .... she's actually Tweak in disguise

Well that loud guffaw now has all the office looking at me!  :-[
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: jannerboyuk on 30 March, 2016, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: BLAZINOAH on 30 March, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
As long as it isn't Dredd, Rico II or Beeny, I don't care!

Personally, I hope it's Tharg!
Bring back Big E!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Link Prime on 19 April, 2016, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 11 March, 2016, 01:07:33 AM
There needs to be a connection to Rico and / or Koburn if their adventure in the Cursed Earth directly follows on from the death of this mystery character.

The fact Grindstone Cowboy's will be set in the Cursed Earth (before the Rico / Koburn story) and will have 'major repercussions' has led this Belgian detective to one conclusion; it has to (seemingly) be: Judge Joseph Dredd.

And I think we can expect a continuation of the Judge Joyce storyline (by Carroll & Holden) to run in the Prog concurrently to Dust to Dust in the Meg, both sans Dredd.

Well, Mon Ami...
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: NapalmKev on 19 April, 2016, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 19 April, 2016, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 11 March, 2016, 01:07:33 AM
There needs to be a connection to Rico and / or Koburn if their adventure in the Cursed Earth directly follows on from the death of this mystery character.

The fact Grindstone Cowboy's will be set in the Cursed Earth (before the Rico / Koburn story) and will have 'major repercussions' has led this Belgian detective to one conclusion; it has to (seemingly) be: Judge Joseph Dredd.

And I think we can expect a continuation of the Judge Joyce storyline (by Carroll & Holden) to run in the Prog concurrently to Dust to Dust in the Meg, both sans Dredd.

Well, Mon Ami...

I suggested 'Joe Dredd' way back on page 2 of the thread. Having said that, you seem to have thought about it a bit more than me and actually offered a decent explanation!

Cheers
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Skullmo on 23 April, 2016, 03:14:49 AM
Quote from: Skullmo on 05 February, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
To celebrate your continued enjoyment of the story we will give you  . . . one less character to enjoy.

I hope it is Dredd. And the people can act like a superhero has died. And Rico can think 'but can i fill his boots?'. And people can cry. Then a few months later he can come back and people can say 'oh great'. Sigh. - event comics.

I am also psychic
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 23 April, 2016, 04:09:58 AM
It's not really blown the comics world apart and isn't being talked about much in all the Judge groups that I'm in. Perhaps no-one believes it ;)
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: sheridan on 23 April, 2016, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 30 March, 2016, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: BLAZINOAH on 30 March, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
As long as it isn't Dredd, Rico II or Beeny, I don't care!

Personally, I hope it's Tharg!
Bring back Big E!
Starlord shall return!
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Dash Decent on 23 April, 2016, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 23 April, 2016, 04:09:58 AM
Perhaps no-one believes it ;)

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Who is Michael Carroll going to KILL (in 2000 AD)
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 April, 2016, 12:35:42 PM
Funnyily enough there's a line in this weeks Prog that makes me think it'll be Hershey that gets it. Its only a small thing AND it takes a lot of speculative extrapoliation to get from that line to her demise but that's where my money is at the moment.

I reserve the right to flip flop on this on a weekly basis.