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Title: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: broodblik on 15 June, 2022, 03:38:04 AM
For a very long time we had TB Grover penning and leading the direction in which the Dredd was headed. One day and I am not always sure if it was the T or the B that went away but then John Wagner decided on Dredd's fate. So, a simple question of the current Dredd writers whom do you believe should take the new lead:
-   Kenneth Niemand
-   Rob Williams
-   Michael Carroll
-   Rory McConville
-   Arthur Wyatt
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Funt Solo on 15 June, 2022, 04:54:29 AM
The entity known as Niemand, please, Bob.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 June, 2022, 06:16:42 AM
There is a lot of talent the but as I said in the revierw thread recently its

Kenneth Niemand

for me.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: AlexF on 15 June, 2022, 09:46:13 AM
Can I vote for 'no one writer to take the lead, please'.
Am happy as is with everyone muddling through and occasionally someone going for a bigger story that pretends to have major consequences but doesn't really because you casn only mess so much with Judge Dredd...
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: broodblik on 15 June, 2022, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 15 June, 2022, 09:46:13 AM
Can I vote for 'no one writer to take the lead, please'.

Yes, I have added it as a option as well
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 15 June, 2022, 10:46:03 AM
mike
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 June, 2022, 11:29:42 AM
The problem with Dredd is his universe now feels quite Elseworlds in nature. It's like we have several competing universes that can't easily co-exist. Dredd was always like that to some degree – most notably with explosive Anderson strips that were entirely ignored by Wagner – but it's far more apparent now Wagner has taken a back seat. The question is whether that really matters.

Perhaps it does with the long game of ongoing cohesion, which Dredd has mostly managed, if you squint a bit. I mean, it's not Usage Yojimbo, say, nor even Hellboy, but it does a better job at this than pretty much every big DC or Marvel series. But on a story-to-story basis, I'm not sure it overly matters unless you're a massive nerd.

So I'd go for no-one as well. But if I had to pick from that list, I'd say Rob is great for the epics more than an ongoing strip, and the others have all written some interesting stuff, but Kenneth Niemand is the person who has the 'voice' right. I'd happily see Tharg give him a six-month stint on Dredd, with others filling stories in here and there, just to see what happens.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: paddykafka on 15 June, 2022, 12:35:54 PM
Or Rebellion could just clone John Wagner, thus ensuring that his authorial voice continues long into the future. (A simple plan involving a napkin or beer mug with his DNA being smuggled out of a comics convention is already taking shape in my mind, lol.)  :D
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 June, 2022, 01:38:52 PM
Quote from: paddykafka on 15 June, 2022, 12:35:54 PM
Or Rebellion could just clone John Wagner, thus ensuring that his authorial voice continues long into the future. (A simple plan involving a napkin or beer mug with his DNA being smuggled out of a comics convention is already taking shape in my mind, lol.)  :D

Turn Wagner into a brain in a jar, only able to communicate via Dredd strips. Less distractions that way...
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: paddykafka on 15 June, 2022, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 15 June, 2022, 01:38:52 PM
Quote from: paddykafka on 15 June, 2022, 12:35:54 PM
Or Rebellion could just clone John Wagner, thus ensuring that his authorial voice continues long into the future. (A simple plan involving a napkin or beer mug with his DNA being smuggled out of a comics convention is already taking shape in my mind, lol.)  :D

Turn Wagner into a brain in a jar, only able to communicate via Dredd strips. Less distractions that way...

Indeed! I can see him going down a storm at the next Lawless convention. (And with the right mind-controlled-robotic arm-implants, the issue of signing autographs for the fans is easily remedied.)

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/55/ac/c1/55acc1e20c0d0aaeba403cc12c1800f9--in-a-jar-the-brain.jpg


Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: BPP on 15 June, 2022, 03:02:17 PM
Rob Williams for me every day. He does terse Dredd so well, he does supporting characters well. He does epics well.

Only one who came close was Al and he ran away...
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 15 June, 2022, 03:14:30 PM
(i reckon ales cot would script a cool dredd).
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 June, 2022, 03:55:29 PM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 15 June, 2022, 03:14:30 PM
(i reckon ales cot would script a cool dredd).

That would defo be worth seeing as I reckon he'd be very good too.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: broodblik on 15 June, 2022, 04:37:32 PM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 15 June, 2022, 03:14:30 PM
(i reckon ales cot would script a cool dredd).

Mmmm Dredd vs the pink dildo
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Rogue Judge on 15 June, 2022, 09:09:58 PM
I've really been enjoying all of Michael Carroll's efforts on the Dredd novels, fantastic!
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: broodblik on 19 June, 2022, 06:33:39 AM
Choose your leader to lead the pack but Wednesday is the cut-off day
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 19 June, 2022, 08:12:16 PM
If it can't be Al Ewing, it's definitely Niemand for me.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Proudhuff on 20 June, 2022, 12:50:26 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 19 June, 2022, 08:12:16 PM
If it can't be Al Ewing, it's definitely Niemand for me.

This from me too
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Dash Decent on 21 June, 2022, 10:43:04 AM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 15 June, 2022, 09:09:58 PM
I've really been enjoying all of Michael Carroll's efforts on the Dredd novels, fantastic!

Seconded.  The Rico novel was great too.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: broodblik on 22 June, 2022, 04:15:31 AM
So do you know nobody leads the pack

Voting Closed

Kenneth Niemand is the leader of the pack
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 June, 2022, 05:40:07 AM
That's a great result but the field is wide open. If we can't have Wagner its great there's so much talent picking up the slack.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: broodblik on 22 June, 2022, 06:20:13 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 22 June, 2022, 05:40:07 AM
That's a great result but the field is wide open. If we can't have Wagner its great there's so much talent picking up the slack.

Yes I agree I am more inclined to say that no one should take the lead let each creator do his own thing with Matt just overlooking the process (which I believe his doing currently)
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 22 June, 2022, 07:07:18 PM
hmmm ... i'd really like a showrunner to knit everything together and provide us with a little more consequence.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Funt Solo on 22 June, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 22 June, 2022, 07:07:18 PM
hmmm ... i'd really like a showrunner to knit everything together and provide us with a little more consequence.

Me this also! I enjoyed the core Wagner years where events had consequences. It's a fun world to play around in, and I'm not saying that's necessarily wrong - but fitting each creator's vision in and trying to call it canon makes no sense. Or, to put it another way: End of Days is fine as alternity. It doesn't make much sense otherwise.

Mind you - rejuved or not, Dredd's just too old (per canon) to take seriously. Maybe it's better if all of that is quietly shelved and he's just eternal (like wot US superhero comics mostly do).
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: Magnetica on 22 June, 2022, 10:38:50 PM
Sorry late to the party here.

For a consistent run of weekly Dredds it's got to be Niemand.

Then add a bit of Rob Williams for a special story.

I think Mike Carroll is a fine writer, but find his Dredd's don't quite have the tone right. I can't put my finger on why not, but they just don't feel quite right to me. I think he is much better on his own strips like Proteus Vex and Dreadnoughts, which are both modern classics.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: The new leader of the pack
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 25 June, 2022, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 22 June, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 22 June, 2022, 07:07:18 PM
hmmm ... i'd really like a showrunner to knit everything together and provide us with a little more consequence.

Me this also! I enjoyed the core Wagner years where events had consequences. It's a fun world to play around in, and I'm not saying that's necessarily wrong - but fitting each creator's vision in and trying to call it canon makes no sense. Or, to put it another way: End of Days is fine as alternity. It doesn't make much sense otherwise.


With you all the way here. 

I'm struggling with Dredd's age too - Minus the 122 years that separate us, and adding the 5 accelerated years, he's about Joe Biden's age.  It wouldn't stretch credibility quite so much if his back pains and other ageing issues hadn't begun over 30 years ago.