The Political Thread

[JOE SOAP]

Jesus being born without sin and to a virgin was unnecessary. The Immaculate Conception, that Mary was also born without sin, even more so.

The 'virgin' birth was an intepretaion -or mis-translation- of the original texts which originally meant 'young' woman, not virgin. The Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 is "almah," and its inherent meaning is "young woman." You could interpret from that, if you so wish, that most young women would be virigns too but that doesn't make it the crux of the word's original use in scripture.

[JayzusB.Christ]

Hmmm...so jot and tittle didn't mean every jot and tittle.  Just some of the jots and a few of the tittles.  In fact, just the jots and tittles which don't inconvenience us in our everyday lives, unless we happen to be in a minority.

^^^This.

EDIT: What's a tittle anyway? I want one.

[Mikey]

EDIT: What's a tittle anyway? I want one.

Diminutive of a 'titt'?

M.

[JayzusB.Christ]

EDIT: What's a tittle anyway? I want one.

Diminutive of a 'titt'?

M.

If it's diminutive then I don't want one.

[JOE SOAP]

EDIT: What's a tittle anyway? I want one.

Diminutive of a 'titt'?

If it's diminutive then I don't want one.

You all ready have two, unless you're moobile.

[Eric Plumrose]

The 'virgin' birth was an intepretaion -or mis-translation- of the original texts . . .

After two millennia of tradition, dogma, and testimony, Christians (or the majority of, certainly) are unlikely to be swayed by that teensy little fact.

[Mikey]

If it's diminutive then I don't want one.

Have two then - they're small.

After two millennia of tradition, dogma, and testimony, Christians (or the majority of, certainly) are unlikely to be swayed by that teensy little fact.

Fact and faith can be two very different things. In the best possible way, faith negates the need for facts or the need to be realigned in the face of them.

M.

[Hoagy]

Jesus being born without sin and to a virgin was unnecessary. The Immaculate Conception, that Mary was also born without sin, even more so.

The 'virgin' birth was an intepretaion -or mis-translation- of the original texts which originally meant 'young' woman, not virgin. The Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 is "almah," and its inherent meaning is "young woman."

You could interpret from that, if you so wish, that most young women would be virigns too but that doesn't make it the crux of the word's original use in scripture.

What a catastrophic F*** UP, that little misunderstanding has led to down the way. It's like building without a plumb line. With the more laid onto it becoming more unstable as time has gone on.

[Eric Plumrose]

Fact and faith can be two very different things. In the best possible way, faith negates the need for facts or the need to be realigned in the face of them.

Sorry, Mikey. I'm a bear of very little brain so you'll have to clarify what you mean by 'the best possible way'.

Faith doesn't need proof if it remains a personal thing. But, as an atheist and a lazy-arse sceptic, I do have a problem if and when that faith is used in support of inequality and hate.

[The Legendary Shark]

Faith and reason are the shoes on your feet, you can get further with both than just one.

[Mikey]

Sorry, Mikey. I'm a bear of very little brain so you'll have to clarify what you mean by 'the best possible way'..

I mean without ending up in a fury of spittle fuelled rage trying to work out how some things can be rationalised despite what seems to be a big arrow pointing at it that says 'this is a load of bollocks'. It was an attempt to not denigrate how important faith is to individuals - I know not all religious folks just lap up everything that's put in front of them, but spend a lot of time thinking about how their faith tallies with the world around them without denying that homosexuality, for example, is within the range of normal human behaviours.

I suppose I could have just said that!

FWIW I don't believe in a god, I don't think we are semi divine or here for any particular purpose. I also think two or more consenting adults can do what they like with each other (some things should be private though!). I don't think a community organised around a church is inherently a bad thing until it starts to tell others they're wrong for not being part of it, for whatever reason, or maybe starts killing non believers directly or believers indirectly.

Faith and reason are the shoes on your feet, you can get further with both than just one.

Or one of your feet are protected, the other is exposed to the ravages of nature and found wanting.

M.

[Eric Plumrose]

. . . I suppose I could have just said that!

Heh. Thought that was probably what you were getting at. I was just being dull-headed.

[JOE SOAP]

The 'virgin' birth was an intepretaion -or mis-translation- of the original texts which originally meant 'young' woman, not virgin. The Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 is "almah," and its inherent meaning is "young woman."

You could interpret from that, if you so wish, that most young women would be virigns too but that doesn't make it the crux of the word's original use in scripture.

What a catastrophic F*** UP, that little misunderstanding has led to down the way. It's like building without a plumb line. With the more laid onto it becoming more unstable as time has gone on.

Also helped fuck-up the prequels; is there no end to this evil?

[The Prodigal]

As a relative newbie may I ask-what is the relative spread of left/right politics wise among 2000ad's followers?

[The Legendary Shark]

I do not subscribe to the false right/left paradigm.