This is an exclusive shot from the new Dredd movie, taken during rehearsals, of Karl Urban wearing the iconic uniform. Enjoy!
Oooh! Not bad!
It rocks. I'm happy!
EDIT: The 'riot gear' look - thought that route would be taken. Gives it more grit.
Interesting. Nice Lawgiver!
Love that they got the helmet right - that's the key thing!
Not bad! :D
not bad..not bad...
Looks tough. I like the retro shoulder pads, very 1977. Everything looks chunky and real. The corridor worries me though, doesn't look very sci-fi, more like the boiler room at my old school...
...can't judge a film by a photo - overall I'm impressed.
It's great. From what I can see there's some really nice touches. I hope everyone will be suitably encouraged by this image... I think it signals brilliant things for the production!
Very exciting news for a Friday afternoon!
It's about what I was expecting--and I like. :D Helmet could fit a tad better, but maybe it's just the angle.
Hmm.
First thoughts.
1. Helmet looks too big.
2. I think they could have gone bigger with the shoulder pads.
3. Shoot the photographer.
I don't mind the design - I'm just not bowled over with the respective proportions.
Bigger version (though still kinda fuzzy) here:
http://yfrog.com/f/em5tvbj/ (http://yfrog.com/f/em5tvbj/)
(Click on pic to embiggenify)
Looks great IMO..still retains the look without being overtly comic book..chuffed
Interesting. At first glance the badge looks similar to the previous film.
Doesn't seem to have the Eagle on the right shoulder, and can't see if there's elbow pads, but to be honest I'm loving this more realistic look!
The helmet is spot-on!
Looks good - helmet is totally authentic, gloves are right, shoulder pad looks very McMahon '77 (shame we can't see if the other has the eagle design), bit more body armour than we're used to for Joe, but that's only to be expected. Quite grungy looking, but it's Dredd all right.
S'nice!
Very cool. Obviously gone less "costume" and more "riot gear" which works for me and will work for the movie I'm sure
I'm just happy to see the f*cking thing. I mean... they're ACTUALLY MAKING IT!!
:P
The big problem I have with it is the scale of the helmet - it swamps the actor, and looks like he's been given the wrong size, almost like a kid in the helmet.
Maybe it's just a bad angle.
Not to be negative but my first thought was: 'Helmet's too big, look like Judge Helmet' and the second thought was 'Too much stubble', but who knows how it'll all look in the film and in better production stills. I do like the uniform overall though.
Can anyone say Sc*j*?
It is just a rehearsal photo, so maybe Karl will have a shave before filming and the props bunch can give him a ruddy great prosthetic chin.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 05:15:28 PM
Another major weakness (sorry to be unduly negative)...
So, you registered as a user of this site just to nit-pick the costume design, right? How nice!
It works for me, definitely. It was never going to be an exact copy of the comic but considering some of the paranoid horror stories people were stressing about this is close enough.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 05:19:10 PM
The shoulderpads look rubbish - ...
See, people would take you more seriously if you weren't always so negative!
I think as long as it sticks to the main themes of the uniform, then fair play. If I want a true and faithful representation on the comic uniform, I'll read the comic.
It's much easier to just think of the films as a different continuity. Don't get me wrong, I totally understand why some people are so protective of Dredd, but look at all the different Batman costumes there have been over the years, all totally different from each other, but instantly recognisable as Batman. I think the uniform will have achieved it's purpose if it looks plausible in the context of the film, and is recognisable to casual observers.
(Though we can't see over 50% of it, so the jury's still out!)
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 05:19:10 PMcan't even see the eagle on his right side.
erm..that's because you can't see that side of his body at all maybe?
QuoteOh looks awful
Agreed and où est le menton ?
You know what. It would be really nice if some people join the board and say 'hello' first rather than just bounding in and being negative.
...and if you are Scojo, sling your hook.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
Does it look better than this:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/4386307946_ca9284b63f.jpg
I thought the film was going to be faithful to the character?
If you want to make changes, make them better. Since when did any fan or anyone associated with Judge Dredd ever say "Ezquerra's Dredd design is kind of rubbish." No-one has ever said that. It's never needed change. It's perfect for the character. Change like this, with reduced shoulderpads and a copy of the original Stallone badge, doesn't enhance the look of the character.
Badge aside it's nothing like Stallones Dredd
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
I thought the film was going to be faithful to the character?
Perhaps you should write a full report on the alt.comics site about why you're not happy.
Well I don't think many of us here will be too upset about slight changes in Dredd's uniform if the film is a good/great one.
Edit: I guess I might sound like a hypocrite for posting that if you are familiar with my posts about *cough*Conan*cough*.
Apples and Oranges, what Dan did for Minty, great as it is - is not necessarily the right fit for a broader appeal movie.
That said, the helmet looks too big IMHO.
I'm not sold on that at all - it looks more like a chunky superhero costume. Christian Bale had a headpiece that looked like it was eating his face for two very successful Batman films, so I don't imagine the helmet/Urban's chin ratio will be an issue.
Quote from: uncle fester on 19 November, 2010, 05:30:40 PM
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
I thought the film was going to be faithful to the character?
Perhaps you should write a full report on the alt.comics site about why you're not happy.
Yes, he should! Then he should print it out, nail it to a frisbee and then fling it over a rainbow.
(Thank Bernard Black for that great line!)
-- Mike
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
Does it look better than this:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/4386307946_ca9284b63f.jpg
As an exact copy of the comic version, made for a movie set in the comics universe? No.
But does the Batsuit in The Dark Knight look ANYTHING like the comic one? No. The one from Batman : Dead End is WAAAY closer.But thats for a short "homage" movie, not a full film where they are going to put their own spin on it.
For the movie they are making, based on the script I read, this works. And it'll work better for people who dont read 2000AD as well as if its only us who go and see it, it'll tank.
doen't look as good as that fan film - but that's passion (absence of) for you
I am at peace with this.
First impressions are
A,its old school 70's Dredd,brave move.
B,helmet has the right look,just too big?
C,what i expected.
All in all could have been worse,don't hate it BUT i will need a little time to he used to it.And a shave would be nice :)....gonna have to get reading al the early Dredds again,get into the look...
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 19 November, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: uncle fester on 19 November, 2010, 05:30:40 PM
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
I thought the film was going to be faithful to the character?
Perhaps you should write a full report on the alt.comics site about why you're not happy.
Yes, he should! Then he should print it out, nail it to a frisbee and then fling it over a rainbow.
(Thank Bernard Black for that great line!)
-- Mike
:lol:
I won't lie, It is not what I was expecting.
But That's not a bad thing.
I Like it. :thumbsup:
But I agree the helmets a tad to big, other then that good job Jock.
Ooh. Im not sure about that! First impressions: helmet's too big, and i dont like the contours of the red line around it. However, as someone who is very excited that brendan macarthy is back drawing dredd, im not going to worry too much about oddly shaped helmets at this juncture.
The shoulderpad looks though, like it's been painted on as an afterthought, just because he's supposed to have yellow lines on his shoulder. Doesnt appear to serve any function. And not sure they've got the number of links in the chain right (WAYDAMINNIT!!)
Looking forward to seeing the rest of it, but my internal nerdjury is still out.
SBT
Lightened the image and cleaned it up a bit
(http://www.eatsleepthink.com/2z0x0v06A6D/dredd_lighter.jpg)
Jurys out for me at the mo. I don't particularly like it, but I'll wait to see what it looks like in full. Yeah the helmet is big on him, looks like it will pull down well as a respirator tho
But LARF you've completely ruined it now! You've taken away everything from the character! And you said you would consult John Wagner! How could you?
I think this production team will surprise us. Dredd dons the extra riot gear for the on slaught on the block? Then more Minty esk! regalia for duties other than storming the building perhaps? So far so good though! :D
It was always going to cause controversy and I suppose you're never going to please everyone, but come on, it's pretty good and I think enough to be excited about.
Until you see it/him in action, I don't think you can truly make a proper judgement on it.
Growing on me.
You see,this is why i love movies for stuff like this...
would have loved the mk1 lawgiver though to go with the 70's pads.
Are you staying long, Scojo?
Quote from: James Stacey on 19 November, 2010, 05:45:13 PM
Yeah the helmet is big on him
Well yeah, how else will he easily pull it off to kiss Anderson at the end?
:D
Now the question is..
How big are his boots?
Looks far closer to the comic Dredd than I was expecting - especially the visor and badge.
I agree that the helmet looks too big at this angle - it's a rehearsal shot though, so hopefully they'll be able to do something about it before proper filming starts...
Overall, looks pretty damn sweet, can't wait to see more. Props to Matt for giving us the first look!
Quote from: LARF on 19 November, 2010, 05:05:29 PM
Looks tough. I like the retro shoulder pads, very 1977. Everything looks chunky and real. The corridor worries me though, doesn't look very sci-fi, more like the boiler room at my old school...
...can't judge a film by a photo - overall I'm impressed.
Well balanced blend of old and new. I like.
I wonder if the right shoulder pad - the one thing we can't see that everybody desperately wants to - will bear *any* kind of eagle motif circa 77?
Ol
Cheers Matt!
I like it. Sure the helmet looks a wee bit big but then comic Dredd does have a remarkably abnormal bonce. That Lawgiver is excellent, really looks the business.
I think it looks great. Thanks a million for sharing that Matt.
The helmet is way, way, WAY too big.
Other than that, it's pretty cool I guess...
Can't wait to have a chin wag about this at 'Thought Bubble' tomorrow!!! :D
Is anyone checking the rest of the 2000AD site and message board?
This would be the perfect time for them to do a "We're doubling the cover price... unless anyone has any objections" sneak! :-\
Can't believe it's been almost two years since that first tentative announcement!
It's interesting, not terrible, but the lid is too big and it looks like there's no eagle pad or definable one at least. The badge and chest brace look like they were just lifted from the Stallone film, which is a disappointment. We'll see.
QuoteThey should have gone with John Wagner's suggestion to stick closer to the original look.
From the looks of things they have.
I quite like it. It looks close enough like a judge's outfit I don't mind the changes they've made.
I'll admit my first thought was that the helmet was a tad large, but motorcycle helmets etc tend to be quite chunky to give protection.
The gun looks cool.
Do I like it, who cares what I think, if they did I wouldnt be writing on a fan forum I'd be involved in making the film 8-)
Like most, no matter what I think I'll still be in line on opening night waiting to see it and I'll reserve Judgement until then.
Quote from: radiator on 19 November, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
QuoteThey should have gone with John Wagner's suggestion to stick closer to the original look.
From the looks of things they have.
My thoughts exactly. Looks like they've gone back-to-basics with pad size and leathers, with extra padding for practicality. I like it; enough recognizable features but with a new twist that makes sense for the film.
As for helmet size:
Schoolchild 1: Judge Dredd's got no nose!
Schoolchild 2: How does he smell?
Schoolchild 1: Not sure, but it allows him to wear a very close-fitting helmet.
I can live with that - I have to admit I was expecting worse, so this is a bit of a result. OK the helmet looks too big (but I can't imagine they are going to fit him for one that makes him look silly so I suspect it is the angle or a test helmet or something) and the badge is a little too like the Stallone film version for comfort but it does fit the squarer chest armour panel it is on.
There are some nice early MacMahon touches on the shoulder pad we can see:
http://everythingcomesbackto2000ad.blogspot.com/2009/02/prog-2-judge-dredd.html
So I think it is going to be OK, nothing that is going to push me out of my suspension of disbelief in the movie theatre.
I await CF's verdict though...
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 19 November, 2010, 05:31:09 PMEdit: I guess I might sound like a hypocrite for posting that if you are familiar with my posts about *cough*Conan*cough*.
^^^^^^^^^^^ hypocrite ^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm suprised because its very different but i still like it, im the sort to scream blasphemy at this type of thing yet...
looks like a bikers suit
I think it looks blinding. It's unmistakably Dredd, no doubt about it. And his uniform looks like something you'd wear if you were fighting crime in a futuristic war-zone. And it does bear a lot of similarities to the original 70's Dredd design.
I'm now officially excited.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 19 November, 2010, 06:33:57 PM
looks like a bikers suit
that's what I like about it..let's face it..Dredd spends a lot of time on a bike so it stands to reason he would wear leathers
beats bloody Lycra anyway!
Quote from: Emperor on 19 November, 2010, 06:31:41 PM
(but I can't imagine they are going to fit him for one that makes him look silly so I suspect it is the angle or a test helmet or something)
I don't think they'd release a test helmet in the first official photo, at least I hope not, that'd be bad PR and I think we're passed the testing stage if the shoot has begun.
Does look like Jock's prelims really were just done for himself though.
Yeah,the weird neck bit to me looks like the neck/back area on a biker suit,the big padded wedge
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/valentino_rossi_yamaha_action.jpg)
...and we collectively believe you live under a bridge.
Yeah that's not an improvement over the 1995 film.
That's basically the ONE thing the 95 movie got right: The Judge Costumes and the overall look of Mega City. I was hoping they would take those 95 costumes as a blueprint and make some tweaks for the new film.
I have high hopes for this movie, but right now the new costume makes Urban look like a guy dressed up at Comic Con. Since I doubt they're going to completely redesign the costume at this point, the easiest way to "fix it" is to make the helmet much smaller. It looks way too big right now. And maybe tone down the puffy leather vest thing he appears to be wearing.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 06:45:21 PM
I think Dredd is all about machismo, exaggeration, excessive testosterone: "don't mess with me, punk!" That vibe is compromised by downscaling the look of the uniform. I don't think we want to refer to Dredd's uniform as like a 'biker's suit'! Dredd is a fascist mega-tough cop of the future, he's not some guy on a bike delivering pizza. :lol:
Dredds a biker cop,has been from day one.
Its exactly what i was expecting.
It looks like Karl Urban is getting into character and doing it fairly well as he looks convincing while not exactly being a lookalike.
2 criticisms :
Have a shave.I dont care if stubble makes the character look more "Hardcore" and "gritty" the character is always meant to be clean shaven.No ifs no buts or anything else just have a shave but as it is a rehearsel picture i will let him off just this once but if i see stubble again there will be hell to pay.
This is my one and only and final warning.
The shoulderpad looks so small its superfluous.Not keen on the design of that but its a small detail.
My initial reaction wasnt immediately negative.
Thanks for uploading the pic and i await more official pics as and when.
I will be queue-jumping to the front of the queue when this film opens.
Helmet does look large but the rest is fine, particularly the gun. Hey at least they're making the movie.
Just a note to say no one else needs report one specific user in this thread, we have plenty of them already (enough to print out and wallpaper a medium-sized room). It is being looked into...
Quote from: wadew1 on 19 November, 2010, 06:51:27 PM
Yeah that's not an improvement over the 1995 film.
That's basically the ONE thing the 95 movie got right: The Judge Costumes and the overall look of Mega City. I was hoping they would take those 95 costumes as a blueprint and make some tweaks for the new film.
I have high hopes for this movie, but right now the new costume makes Urban look like a guy dressed up at Comic Con. Since I doubt they're going to completely redesign the costume at this point, the easiest way to "fix it" is to make the helmet much smaller. It looks way too big right now. And maybe tone down the puffy leather vest thing he appears to be wearing.
yeah I much preferred codpieces and lycra.....
I think it looks great—far better than what I was expecting after what Wagner said on Facebook. On specific points that have been raised...
Helmet: Are people making comparisons to helmets or to Dredd in 2000 AD? If it's the latter, bear in mind that there's some serious stylisation going on in almost every strip; in other words, judge heads would NOT fit in those helmets. That said, in this instance, I slightly prefer the Stallone movie design, although not the colouring, which is better in this version.
Shoulder pad: Looks great to me. Very McMahon early Dredd, and—shock!—something that looks at home on a cop, unlike what you get in the comic (or, sorry guys, Minty and every other 'proper' Dredd uniform. This design looks like protective armour. Dredd in the comic works because it's a comic; but comic-Dredd armour looks ceremonial, not practical, when made into a real costume.
Corridor: Just looks like a shitty run-down building to me. And, let's face it, that describes a lot of MC-1. I'd prefer run-down and horrible to SHINY SHINY 1990s Dredd, frankly.
Futuristic council flats,no problem with the set at all.
Quote from: Emperor on 19 November, 2010, 06:31:41 PMThere are some nice early MacMahon touches on the shoulder pad we can see:
http://everythingcomesbackto2000ad.blogspot.com/2009/02/prog-2-judge-dredd.html
In fact, so does the badge:
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5424/judgedredd05sy5.jpg)
(http://www.reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-urban.jpg)
To compare against the above McMahon pic.
I'm just praying he's not wearing those new rock style boots like the old film..dredd is the law..not a f**king goth
John Wagner (via Facebook):
QuoteWe shouldn't nitpick, that's a lot closer to the uniform than I thought they'd go (agree there's too much stubble, though). Big yays to DNA. I'm happy.
Confirms what I was thinking!
I think we can all agree that the gun looks boss - in fact it's not a million miles away from how Henry Flint and Kev Walker draw lawgivers these days! I wouldn't mind if this design was officially introduced into the strip as the Mark III!
Helmet is fab. Rest looks like a solid compromise. Florix Grabundae to Matt for perking up my week immeasurably, and please go away Scott or Scottalike.
Quote from: George Moore on 19 November, 2010, 06:54:52 PM
yeah I much preferred codpieces and lycra.....
Aside from the codpiece thing that you never really saw during the movie, the 95 costume looked good and almost exactly like the comic. The new still makes Urban look like a guy wearing a hand-me-down giant helmet and 20 layers of patent leather.
The lightened up pic that IngioPrime just posted makes the costume look better, though.
Hrm. Think I need to see a bit more of this before I make up my mind. We'll see...
Quote from: TordelBack on 19 November, 2010, 07:06:34 PM
Helmet is fab. Rest looks like a solid compromise. Florix Grabundae to Matt for perking up my week immeasurably, and please go away Scott or Scottalike.
HUZZAH!Hope you're back for a while TB. We've missed you terribly.
I think it looks great. And the more I look at it, the better it seems to get. It's MUCH closer to the comic than I was expecting, I thought we'd lose the badge, that the shoulder pads would be black and the helmet would be altered.
I think the helmet is ACE and doesn't really seem too big to me. Some artists (Karl Critchlow springs to mind) draw Dredd with a helmet that extends round his face like this one.
The Lawgiver is great, the body armour design is much better than I expected; I'm very happy!
Now I just need to know if there's an eagle design on the right shoulder.
Indeed the more I see it the more I like it. This is a good look for a post apocalypse urban fascist cop. :)
Knee pads and fat tyres are my only concerns now.More excited than i was before i saw the picture so that can only be a good thing.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 07:19:12 PM
Is there much of an eagle? Is there an eagle at all? Has the eagle been axed?
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:1720SN1dLB-TtM:http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/wtf718.jpg)
:P
The right shoulder pad does look a tad different to the left, maybe it's going to be drawn flat onto the shoulder pad. As much as I like the eagle I don't think it would ruin the outfit if they left it off.
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the outfit and if Anderson's will be any different.
AICN have a massive blown up pic
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47514
There is definitely some gold on the right pad and lots of carbon fiber
He's a brown shirt rather than a black shirt.
Well very good body armour etc but the Lawgiver gun is great! Simple but brutal looking like a cross between a pistol and a machine gun.
I think there's a slight tangent on the helmet to the left hand side [from o.p.v] merging it with part of the door frame which makes the helmet look slightly bigger than it is. Looks like the visor is totally blacked out which adds to the menacing look.
It's always different than you imagine but this looks to me like a Brian Bolland image come to life. Very good of the film makers and 2000AD to let us see what's going on in the production!! :D :thumbsup:
Sorry , but forget the chin. Forget the helmet. Forget the eagle.
What I want to know is will the gun have DOUBLE WHAMMY?????
I would be a greatfull Judge for that neck area if i fell off my badass Lawmaster doing 70+ after some perp scum.
The gloves have the lines on the back of the hand,nice touch.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 19 November, 2010, 07:35:10 PM
I think there's a slight tangent on the helmet to the left hand side [from o.p.v] merging it with part of the door frame which makes the helmet look slightly bigger than it is
you know what you're spot on..not as big as I thought
Also , because of this thread - look how many have been online today! A NEW RECORD!!!
on behalf of mr jim campbell..."fuck off scott". :lol:
now thats out of the way i like it yep the shoulder pad looks a bit small on the whole but i can live with that if it was bigger it might get in the way and as has been stated previously hither and thither it has to appeal to a broader audience than a bunch of fat balding middle aged comic nerds (well,we are!!! ;)) other wise it might flop again and we wont see a sequel ...
its gonna be a big debate until we see the fillum but then again i was taken aback by the new daleks but they won me over...dredd's winning me over more quicker than that as i keep looking at the pic...
the lawgiver is waaaay cool , the helmet is spot on the glove looks like it fastens at the wrist? unless it is a bigger "jointed" gauntlet.
i can also see why theyve omitted the chain due to the practicality and the grief it'd get for not having enough/too many links on some message boards ;)
...waiting for the action figures!!!!!! :o
ME LIKE,S :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :wave: forgot to is the helmet size got anything to do with the 3d filming just asking.
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 November, 2010, 07:55:01 PM
a bunch of fat balding middle aged comic nerds
Speak for yourself!!
[looks in mirror]
Ah. Bugger.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 07:55:24 PM
With a few changes it could look more like this.
What - UTTER BALLS? WHO ARE YOU?! STOP SAYING THINGS.
Not bald :o
The more I'm looking at it..the more I'm liking it :D
...oh,ok i'll concede...cuddly ,mildly receeding ,in their prime comic book nerds.
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 November, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
...oh,ok i'll concede...cuddly ,mildly receeding ,in their prime comic book nerds.
wave your stereotype wand..for I..am neither nerdy nor follically challenged! :lol:
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 November, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
...oh,ok i'll concede...cuddly ,mildly receeding ,in their prime comic book nerds.
stop looking through my window
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 19 November, 2010, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 November, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
...oh,ok i'll concede...cuddly ,mildly receeding ,in their prime comic book nerds.
stop looking through my window
i will if you stop doing
that!!! :o
I saw this at the chippie earlier and have only now managed to get on here and read the comments and look 'very closely' at the pic.
I'm pleasantly suprised by the look as I tried not to get into the uniform debate too much before we saw any real stuff!
Here are my thoughts.
Helmet - Spot on. It's the angle that makes it look bigger than it actually is. I've been down the cellar and donned mine and it's all down to the angle!
Lawgiver - Looks like the MkII with movie extras. I'm not sure if that piece obstructs the iron sights along the top but I'll wait till I see more shots. (I won't go into the mag position, I've always thought this about the weapon. It would mean that the rounds would not get much of a spin before they leave the barrel but that's another debate). I'm happy with the gat, for now!
Weapon Handling - The stance and grip is spot on. Lawgiver central to the body and a double handed grip, I'm erect just typing that!
Shoulder Pads - Early stuff by the looks of it. These won't get in the way of every day work. Can't see the other side but if it's not an eagle I would expect that to be included in any ceremonial dress. In fact the other side may have an etched eagle in the pad instead of the grooves on this side, who knows!
Body Armour - Can't really see it due to Dredd's forearm but it looks flexible and easy to wear. Not sure about the joins, a round could hit those parts and penetrate but those bits on the front may be padding (especially as one has the badge sunk into it) and the armour may be plates behind. Looks good but need a better look, still I'm happy.
Badge - I have checked this against the movie one and there are a couple of differences but it's the same for about 90% I would say. I can live with that.
Overall - I am relieved and quite happy as I didn't know what to expect, especially after wearing Dan's superb stuff. Well done to all involved for not going too far from the look.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 08:15:44 PM
I think it's really awful. No matter how many times I look at it, it sucks. Looks more like 'Judge Charity Jumble Sale Dredd' than Judge Dredd. Great shame to mess it up when it could have looked so much better. It's rather disheartening to think they could have
A) Kept the film as JUDGE DREDD - and not call it - DREDD
and
B) Used the original uniform look.
I don't wish to be banned for posting that so I won't mention it again but I do feel it's sad that people in the film biz can get the film rights to Dredd and mess it up. How hard is it to get the basic uniform right? Surely any production designer of reasonable ability would get that right? No excuse to make the uniform look worse!!!! ::)
thankyou we get it you dont like it...or karl urban,perhaps matthew fox would have been more manly for you?
The picture is starting to pop up on other sites and blogs, and from what I've seen there does seem to be a consensus that the helmet (and the whole uniform) looks to big...
Quote from: radiator on 19 November, 2010, 08:23:59 PMthere does seem to be a consensus that the helmet (and the whole uniform) looks to big...
Are you sure all these opinions aren't just coming from the same person? That same one person there.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 08:23:32 PM
I believe the uniform could be a sign of bad things to come. The screenplay isn't that original and could make for an action-packed but rather uninspired Dredd film. The uniform seems to be that... uninspired.
Yes alright.
how many more comments do i have to read saying you dont like it ?
Probably another 100 or so.
Now STFU.I know who you are so cut the shit.
So much vitriol from one person over one picture! How is he going to cope when "shudder" they show more...
I personally love this first shot. The more I look at it , the more it grows on me. The helmet is looking better , weirdly. I like the lawgiver and the uniform in general too. I really want to see Anderson now to be honest!
Helmet - Look at the angle, it's all down to that. The visor is off the nose and as it goes round the head it joins the helmet body (or whatever the term is) and that runs forward a bit. It's like an optical illusion!
I like it. Its just the angle thats makes it look big. Remember Urban has a realy wide chin yet you cant really see any chin is this shot.
Quote from: radiator on 19 November, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
The picture is starting to pop up on other sites and blogs, and from what I've seen there does seem to be a consensus that the helmet (and the whole uniform) looks to big...
The only opinion worth noting is on here..and the general consensus is positive
Quote from: George Moore on 19 November, 2010, 08:29:32 PM
Quote from: radiator on 19 November, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
The picture is starting to pop up on other sites and blogs, and from what I've seen there does seem to be a consensus that the helmet (and the whole uniform) looks to big...
The only opinion worth noting is on here..and the general consensus is positive
totally agree :thumbsup:the positive that is
its my facebook pic
I know it's wrong, but sometimes, when a certain person shows up, I wonder if the Victorians and their predecessors perhaps had the right attitude in how they dealt with the mentally ill after all.
Re : uniform...
Recognisably Dredd. That's all that matters.
Ok, lets have a look...
I like it.
It's a spot on Dredd helmet (bar looking a little big which i hope CF's post explains) and the rest of the costume is a great middle ground between the original design and what we've come to view as super cops in the years since - ie riot cops and their ilk. Do you explain the costume as some super fabric that's bulletproof or give him armour like you would in reality.
One thing that does excite me, and sorry if it's been mentioned but I can't wade through all this expanding thread, it's that the top of the helmet including the badge looks like it slides down into a complete face mask rather then just cover the nose and mouth.
Fine by me.
Roll on 11 and a forum outing. :)
I don't know if anyone's done this yet on this busy thread but here's a lightened up version.
(http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae48/adrianbamforth/DreddMovieLighter.jpg?t=1290198700)
Looks to me like it's a bit of armour put on the top of the street uniform for a particular situation (which in reality would fully make sense) - if that's the case I'll go with it: It's more in-keeping with a gritty militaristic action film than a superhero movie, suggesting the extent it is aimed at an older audience.
If not, well I guess the smaller shoulder pad does look like very old-school Dredd.
It is awful
There are no lightning bolts on the visor. ;)
Seriously, this looks fucking fantastic.
I think it looks absolutely great!
It looks far more 'believable' than the comic version - and that can only help when it comes to selling tickets and broadening appeal.
Thumbs well and truly up from me.
:)
Oi - loony! Yes, you! I thought you were going to stop going on an on about how awful you think this looks? You are becoming very, very tedious. No surprise there, but still...
Need another photo,i want to see the belt
I'm sold.
I miss the big pads, but I'm not gonna cry about it.
Now, where's Anderson...
On nice touch, I don't know if anyone's mentioned it, is how battered and worn the helmet is. Has a nice Boba Fett feel.
I always favoured the larger helmet in the comic over the smaller helmet favoured by Jock and others, on the basis of functionality.
Merry christmas Jock!
I read on the Empire web page that the image came from his Twitter page via bleedin' cool. He's given us all an early christmas present. :)
My image of dredd will forever be tainted by this grainy ramdom still from back stage. I shall therefore avoid the film like the plague and never buy any publication based on dredd ever again. this badly taken, dodgy angled, grainy still from a backstage tea room has broken my heart. boooooooo hoooooooooo.
not really, i think it great
Not entirely convinced, but going the route of basing the core uniform on modern hi-tech leathers (hence the neck) crossed with riot gear makes a lot of sense.
As for the overly large helmet can someone with access to Photoshop ease cleanup the shadow in the door by the side of the helmet and see if that improves things? (I also think the shadow inside the helmet is deeper than needs be increase the effect)
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The uniform looks fantastic. The actor playing Dredd is a bloody good actor and the script is by a world renowned screen writer.
Scott, suck my balls.
I doubt it.
Quote from: KarlUrbanschin on 19 November, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
I promise this is my last post on this thread - the mod can ban me if I post again on this thread.
...
GOODBYE!
:D
Just in case it isn't his last post could I remind everyone:
Quote from: Emperor on 19 November, 2010, 06:54:34 PM
Just a note to say no one else needs report one specific user in this thread, we have plenty of them already (enough to print out and wallpaper a medium-sized room). It is being looked into...
We know, so no need to keep reporting it.
I'm Very Happy with the design. I caught the news about this late. I was pretty sure they'd go this way and I think it is the right choice to go retro with the uniform with added armour and padding. Very McMahon. I'm pleased so far but is there an eagle?
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg526/scaled.php?tn=0&server=526&filename=5tvb.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
this forum is in dredds world. nudge nudge wink wink :lol:
Quote from: Emperor on 19 November, 2010, 09:11:46 PM
Just in case it isn't his last post could I remind everyone:
Quote from: Emperor on 19 November, 2010, 06:54:34 PM
Just a note to say no one else needs report one specific user in this thread, we have plenty of them already (enough to print out and wallpaper a medium-sized room). It is being looked into...
We know, so no need to keep reporting it.
Oops. Sorry, missed that the first time. Should have known anyway though.
Please ban S***o.
Quote from: Dan Kelly on 19 November, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
As for the overly large helmet can someone with access to Photoshop ease cleanup the shadow in the door by the side of the helmet and see if that improves things? (I also think the shadow inside the helmet is deeper than needs be increase the effect)
Very quick job but helps a bit
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/welshbluemeanie/quickphotoshop.jpg)
Need to see more of it before I can really say anything and see how it moves and stuff but looks ok, just ok to me. Still best to wait until I see more I guess. Really nice either way to finally have a picture and a real sense that its full steam ahead.
Thanks to the person who posted this as it's great to see the movie costume thus far. I'm not overly happy at first glance but will reserve judgement (excuse the pun) for when the movie is released.
I hope this pic is from the beginning/early scenes of the movie and shows the Judge costume in it's infancy and as the film progresses the uniform develops into the look we know and shows instantly what makes the Judges stand out.
I understand the need for the costume to look practical, not far fetched and silly and going for the 'riot gear' look is a great and down to earth idea but this costume looks too close to what the police around the world currently use today and not 'futuristic' enough.
HELMET - Design is spot on but agree it does look a bit big, a snug closer fitting helmet (as seen in the 1995 movie) looks better and more practical but am happy they chose to go with the original design.
SHOULDER PADS - Are not big enough to offer protection and as these are just as important and recognisable as the helmet need to be bigger and have each pad clearly defined as eagle and plain bars. At the moment they are not in proportion with the helmet, look flimsy and unimpressive.
BADGE - Very disappointed they chose to copy the design from the 1995 movie instead of having the vison to design their own as once again this is an important and recognisable part of the costume/uniform.
GLOVES - Look great and in fact look the same as the gloves used by myself and Dan for the Judge Minty Project.
As I said earlier i'm hoping this pic is a shot of the costume in it's early stages rather than the finished piece. Fingers crossed we get to see more pic's of what I hope to be a great film, we shall see.....
LAWGIVER - Very impressed, looks solid and instantly recognisable as a Judges weapon.
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 19 November, 2010, 09:42:27 PM
I hope this pic is from the beginning/early scenes of the movie and shows the Judge costume in it's infancy and as the film progresses the uniform develops into the look we know and shows instantly what makes the Judges stand out.
Don't think that's going to happen as the film is set in one city block with 2 Judges. It's not a history of the Judge
look throughout the decades. We'll have to wait and see what he's hiding under the padding.
I bet, KarlUrbanschin, you still go and watch the film!
We can only see a bit of the uniform, that bit looks good (helmet is a little large though, visual effects notwithstanding).
The uniform is realistic and post-9/11 looking -I'd make the contemporary comparison between 1940's British battledress which is a truly classic look (http://www.sutlers.us/acatalog/1937patternBD170707.jpg) and today's soldier (http://images34.fotki.com/v1124/photos/1/1222605/5412260/britishafghanistan-vi.jpg).
By contrast Karl Urban's (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=3869;image) with the 1970's Leather and chains, dare I say it somewhat camper look(http://api.ning.com/files/1Jv8PoskisUXUezpuQBwIlAK3Ylm9yPVg5IKCHFQRsroYCCgKoc8n4Ce7A9l7MtgDBw1u79e72JNuUbSY*Opnm6WBXTDSLal/VillagePeopleBiker.jpg)
I love Carlos's design but 30 plus years on and trying to appeal to a mass market audience after Danny Cannon's abortion I think we need to accept that a different tack may be in order...
Looks cool, I dig it. That said, I would've liked some bigger more glorious shoulder pads. I wonder what the other shoulder looks like, it'd be cool if it had some sort of eagle pattern on it.
Also, I think it would've looked better with the lighter transparent bit at the bottom of the visor, but all in all pretty badass stuff.
I think I can make out the corner of a relief eagle design on the other shoulder. I like what I see so far. Urban looks like the '77 Dredd which doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I've managed to tweak that image a bit further using highly complicated Photoshop procedures.
Note how Dredd's underpants become visible when the image is cleaned up.
THOSE DON'T LOOK LIKE U-FRONTS TO ME!
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/jaredkatooie/MovieDredd.jpg)
Gotta say, not seeing the 77 or oldschool Dredd comparison, other than him having a small round shoulder pad, though a very different one.
Looks badass though.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 19 November, 2010, 10:10:02 PM
Note how Dredd's underpants become visible when the image is cleaned up.
[(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/jaredkatooie/MovieDredd.jpg)
His underpants are too big... :-\
Honestly some people will only be satisfied when
their Judge Dredd appears on screen. Nice one
Jared Kootie and quickly done too.
this aint a criticism but just make a quick comparison
(http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Judge-Dredd-Romita-Jr.jpg)
(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss44/miraclemanfan/image001-1.jpg)
The only thing I don't like is the lack of Massive Shoulder pads! :'(
Other then that I'm impressed.
If it was up to me those shoulder pads would be as big as his head. But we can't have everything.
Now we wait to see the bottom half.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 19 November, 2010, 10:44:20 PM
If it was up to me those shoulder pads would be as big as his head. But we can't have everything.
Now we wait to see the bottom half.
I hope they lose the codpiece. :lol:
Damn it missed S***o's well thought out and totally rational dribblings.
As for the uniform I think it's looking good and can't wait to see more photos of it.
filip
Quote from: flip-r mk2 on 19 November, 2010, 10:50:30 PM
Damn it missed S***o's well thought out and totally rational dribblings.
As for the uniform I think it's looking good and can't wait to see more photos of it.
filip
Go to imdb and see his posts there as return_of_you_know_who.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/thread/174047015 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/thread/174047015)
Quote from: bluemeanie on 19 November, 2010, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Dan Kelly on 19 November, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
As for the overly large helmet can someone with access to Photoshop ease cleanup the shadow in the door by the side of the helmet and see if that improves things? (I also think the shadow inside the helmet is deeper than needs be increase the effect)
Very quick job but helps a bit
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/welshbluemeanie/quickphotoshop.jpg)
That helmet is perfect.
Well I didnt change the helmet shape or lines at all. Just took the door out of the background and put in his face where I thought it was hidden in shadow.
Do think it makes a hell of a difference though.
I've done my part to spread the pic to the public. :thumbsup:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4401496&fpart=1
I don't think the badge is particularly close to the 95 film version. It;s just Dredd's badge. Same as the comic.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 19 November, 2010, 10:10:02 PM
I've managed to tweak that image a bit further using highly complicated Photoshop procedures.
Note how Dredd's underpants become visible when the image is cleaned up.
THOSE DON'T LOOK LIKE U-FRONTS TO ME!
The same picture once the
3-D effect has been added...
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/MalcolmKirk/MovieDredd3d.jpg)
Flippin' heck, it actually works an' all! :o
Another photoshop tweak that I like:
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7011/dredd2.jpg)
Well, looks like I missed out on all the fun, it good to see that there is a relatively good over all consensuses on the picture now that a certain persons comments have been removed. It has a realistic feel to it and looks very "old school", which is by no means a bad thing.
Looks good.
The small shoulder pad is reminds me of the very early Dredd...don,t see an eagle though...must be the angle.
The uniform looks more functional than that previous Hollywood debacle.
Think my only problem is the helmet,don't get me wrong i think it looks great and accurate. Just have this feeling that if he turned his head he'd be looking at the interior lining.
Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 19 November, 2010, 08:56:58 PM
On nice touch, I don't know if anyone's mentioned it, is how battered and worn the helmet is. Has a nice Boba Fett feel.
I always favoured the larger helmet in the comic over the smaller helmet favoured by Jock and others, on the basis of functionality.
I wonder where they got that idea from?
(http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Judge-Minty.png)
Not sure about that pic you just posted Ratty... the helmet seems a litte wide
WHY DID THEY RAPE MY CHILDHOOD?? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY?
Bullshit mode off, yeah.... having read the script there's no way Dredd is looking fresh by the end of it. CANT WAIT!!!
Quote from: bluemeanie on 20 November, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
Not sure about that pic you just posted Ratty... the helmet seems a litte wide
WHY DID THEY RAPE MY CHILDHOOD?? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY?
Bullshit mode off, yeah.... having read the script there's no way Dredd is looking fresh by the end of it. CANT WAIT!!!
I forgot to chop the last part of the quote off. I was only refering to the weathering on the helmet.
The helmet is just fine, not too big at all. Looks exactly like the size of a proper bike helmet. Not a biker myself but I have a lot of biker mates and have worn one as a passenger on many occasion
So far, love the look. Hope the right shoulder pad is an eagle. I've seen much better versions of the badge, but you can't have everything.
Ok, very interesting. We know how some of us would have the costume – exactly as in the comic, but I get it, it works. Guess it has been pondered over many a time on this board. Is the point to reproduce what is in the comic or is the point to make a convincing and credible representation of what is in the comic. I gladly accept that it has to be the latter. I am also open to the idea that a Judge might have different types of uniforms.
I was actually hoping for smaller retro shoulder pads because I have a soft spot for the older costume and prefer to see a more practical old style uniform than an unconvincing newer style one (apart from the helmet).
I think the helmet is damn close and that is enough for me to carry the look through. Surely it has to be that big. Loving the battered up effect. All-black visor is a neat touch. Yes, Dunk, I too spotted that the top part of the helmet I guess slides down to form the respirator. Nice.
Comparing my reaction to when I first saw images of the 90s film – I'm exited about this.
One think the image lacks a bit is it doesn't really look intimidating. That's essential for Dredd - he has to be intimidating as all hell. Hopefully Karl Urban will be able to project that with his on-screen presence so I'm not really too worried about not getting it from a still. We'll see!
What happened to Dredds adhearence to the idea of Judges being clean shaven.
Yeah, i know i'm being picky lol
Quote from: Emp on 20 November, 2010, 01:35:34 AM
What happened to Dredds adhearence to the idea of Judges being clean shaven.
Yeah, i know i'm being picky lol
Quite right, Dredd is a (self-described) stickler for such things, after all. Having said that, he's got to be showing a bit of stubble towards the end of these incredibly long shifts he routinely pulls. let's face it, a mere 24 hours is practically slacking by Dredd's standards.
I fell asleep after staying up all night, come here and....12 page thread!
Anyway a nice surprise.
Helmet- Love it. Looks great. I think I prefer the red stripe not going down diagonal at the bottom, but that's a nitpick. As for the size, I'll admit, when I first saw it I thought it too large. In a real world scenario it is realistic though. The snug looking helmets of a lot of the comics often don't allow for the brow of the judge's head. You'd think it were the shape of the helmet (much as I like the comic look).
Body suit- I was an advocate of not too much padding, allowing for higher technology in a thinner leather-like material. Looking at the picture though... I think it looks great. I'm also happy with the size of the shoulder pads. And while we can't see the eagle the other side, it does look a bit different, like it's a bit longer, closer to the neck (but that might be an optical illusion). I'm not fussed about the shoulder eagle though to be honest. He's got the badge.
Only thing I'm not sure of concerning the padding is what's going on around the back. It looks almost like he's got a hood or a backpack! The picture of a motorcyclist in a previous post explains that though. Still not sure of the look but we'll see.
Lawgiver- That's a decent take on the mark two. Without the curvy bit at the top in the comic version I think maybe it looks a little too, 'present day sub-machine pistol'. It's good though, I can live with that.
Interesting to see so many posts referencing a user who's posts have been removed though! Heh.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 20 November, 2010, 01:24:10 AM
One think the image lacks a bit is it doesn't really look intimidating.
I think the main thing for intimidation is the helmet with the dark visor and that creaturish pointy triangular eye design*. They got that pretty much spot on.
*Poorly described, but I wasn't sure of the correct terminology. If there is such a thing.
Diggin' what I'm seeing.
I have a few reservations - I'd have liked to have seen bigger, bolder shoulder pads for one thing. But the more I look at it, the more I like it.
I initially wondered about the fit of the helmet, but since people have been photoshopping the image, I think it actually looks okay.
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 19 November, 2010, 09:42:27 PMSHOULDER PADS - Are not big enough to offer protection and as these are just as important and recognisable as the helmet need to be bigger and have each pad clearly defined as eagle and plain bars. At the moment they are not in proportion with the helmet, look flimsy and unimpressive.
BADGE - Very disappointed they chose to copy the design from the 1995 movie instead of having the vison to design their own as once again this is an important and recognisable part of the costume/uniform.
The badge and shoulderpad are so similar these from prog 2 it makes me wonder if they didn't lift directly from it, makes sense as they are going for young Dredd in this film (it'd be fun to see the design change over the years as this franchise rolls on):
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5424/judgedredd05sy5.jpg)
Karl Urban looks ENTIRELY
Karl Urban looks entirely wrong for the part. His pretty/modestly-rugged features face does not synch with Dredd's 'grizzled drill sergeant' persona. The character of Dredd in the screenplay is okay, but will the aesthetically-pleasing and modest Urban undermine it? Those who panned Stallone's Dredd might in hindsight realise how better-suited he was for the part of a larger-than life, hammy character like Dredd. Cringing at the thought of having this uniform regularly headlining the covers of the Megazine and 2000AD as the movie release date draws closer.
And that Lawgiver (if that's what it is)... no defining characteristics whatsoever (think of the thwarted merchandising potential!). Looks like it's ripped straight from the latest direct-to-dvd £500,000 police action flick.
Must try to keep an open mind, only seen the one picture; next up, how about the Lawmaster, other Justice personnel and select CGI of Mega-City One?
Lawmaster and a long shoT of a full Judge uniform then im happy,nothing we won't see in a trailer or promotional material leading up to the film.But thats it for me*,don't want to spoil too much,just need to know hes in safe hands as seems to be the case so far...
*Andersons arse is also acceptable.
Getting a bit of coverage over at CBR
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29502 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29502)
Out of interest Mods how are we going to play the spoiler, non spoiler threads. I've been avoiding the big thread for an age now trying to avoid spoilers (he says looking at a picture from the film, or rehearsal there of!) can we have one thread for plot and story spoiler and the rest spoiler free?
Not that there has been any problems here it has to be said.
I don't log on for over 24 hours and this comes on. Just speed read 12 pages and seemed to have misses the dreaded one.
I personally thing they have done an arsom job. Helmet is bang on any smaller and you risk a broken nose. The more I look at the uniform in general the more I like, very old skool on the shoulder pad. Badge too close the 95 movie but I can live with that. Looks like a Mk II Lawgiver and a fine job they have done of it too.
Overall I am very happy :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
V
After a fresh look at it, I think the combination of the doorway shadow, the shadow in the inside of the helmet are making it look more oversized than it is.
Comparing the helmets used for Minty and this one -
The closest angle I can find of Dan's version of the helmet is this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40863689@N08/4003746451/in/photostream/
There are something like 5 helmets we have at varying sizes - 'Minty's' helmet is the widest as we found the others were too tight for Edmund. The main problems are trapping the ears, and the tip of the nose pressing against the visor.
I don't mind the collar/body armour look, although I wonder if it's just going to make him look tubby - and the body armour could have been a bit sleeker, possibly?
Still not sold on the shoulder pad, it feels like a bit of an afterthought.
Yeah, I like it. The helmet looks very much like Carl Critchlow's design which is a good thing and last night I spent a while comparing the still with a bunch of Cliff Robinson covers and it's pretty much spot on.
The nerd in me agrees with the stuble issue but I'm not going to get too upset over that, as Matt said, it's just a rehearsal pic. Also, I reckon he has got an eagle on that right shoulder, just not a big, cumbersome tacky looking thing that our Dredd has. Agian, a good thing in my book.
Happy days!
I think it will look fine, especially for the inevitable movie adaption comic...
This is a really quick and possibly wrong extrapolation of what I think we are looking at in the still.
(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/324/3/4/movie_dredd_sketch_by_kevlev-d337hkv.jpg)
I also think the respirator will pull down to create a fully enclosed helmet as per the inset... don't know about the mechanics of it, but it'll look pretty cool, certainly quite menacing if Dredd was striding out of some gas-filled underpass.
I'm already this excited and we're still more than a year away from release...
Thought I'd just share (http://kevlev.blogspot.com/2009/02/judge-dredd-movie-costume-concept.html) (again) my speculative concept from Feb 09... I think what we've got is a lot better than that... although lots of similarities.
WOW!
Flicked through the bulk of the posts, glad its gone down well.
This is great as now I can 'confess' what Ive been itching to say for yonks ;-)
In October 2009 I was invited to meet Andrew Macdonald and Alex Garland at DNA HQ, to show them the Judge Minty stuff I produced.
Meeting with the awesome costumer Darren Beddows, who came down from t'up North , and who wore the costume so well for us In the BHam comic cons, I spent an hour with them in London discussing my work in relation to the role of the Judge uniform in the film, (as Darren modeled, pulled Dredd faces and looked butch)
They agreed the helmet design was 'Gospel' and wouldn't change, although the pads etc would probably go. The key work used a lot was 'Mad Max' for the leathers, body armour, and also grittyness.
They requested a beaten up Judge helmet, that had to look like metal, so I supplied them with a photo set of the helmet I produced for the Minty Sign, and, earlier this year, DNA contacted me to borrow the 'Greg Staples' hero helmet which went off to unknown territories for a month or so.
I have had a pre-production pic of Jocks first ever costume design for the Judges uniform since the meeting, so this has come out almost spot on, meaning the vision they had all along was a good one !
Seeing this photo I am really, really glad its gone down well as I was really worried without the traditional pads people may not like it.
Sadly, so far in the film that's been the only role I have played, but there is always Post Production ;-)
Soo cool to hear that DNA were in touch with the Minty-crew!
You must be proud to have inspired the movie-creators and even borrowing the helmet to them. Very interesting reading! :)
Thats very good to know,shows they give a shit.Now will somebody please start mass producing the helmets so i can buy one?
@Teivion
I know you probably can't and i fully understand but i have to ask or i'll kick myself...any chance we could see that jock pic you were on about? and if not does it have an eagle on the right shoulder? :)
Although i lie the new look i would like the uniform to evolve to a more traditonal look with the pads in future films(if they make any more obv) though,when Jo Public gets used to Dredd
Quote from: Teivion on 20 November, 2010, 10:28:51 AM
I have had a pre-production pic of Jocks first ever costume design for the Judges uniform since the meeting, so this has come out almost spot on, meaning the vision they had all along was a good one !
Did Jock's design have an eagle shoulder pad?
I whould have preferred if they'd steered clear of the Stallone badge which they've lifted wholesale, could they not even have given it a convex curve so that it pushed out like Ezquerra's?
(http://www.2000adonline.com/2000ad/media/index/progs/original/1664.jpg)
Thanks for the information Teivion, great to see they also appreciated all the hard work going into the Minty film.
Whoa, great news from Teivion about the Minty films influence on the Production design.
KevLev's got to be the artist for the comic version of the film.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 20 November, 2010, 11:29:52 AM
Whoa, great news from Teivion about the Minty films influence on the Production design.
KevLev's got to be the artist for the comic version of the film.
so you don't want Jock, who has all ready done a script comic?
It''s like someone else said above,he looks like Boba Fett,the armour is very similar in shape,bit bulkier.With the resperator down the helmet,in the drawing above looks like it could be out of Star Wars,hes even got the t shirt over his suit like Boba by the looks...Comic book Dredd crossed with Boba Fett = this IMO and thats going to look very cool on the big screen.I can see why they have done it much as i hate to admit it ;)
:-[ Jocks done a script comic?
Already?!!
Yes,
Jocks initial work was taking the script into a storyboard, which was done in a comic book style.
This was at the meeting too ;-)
I hate everyone that was at that meeting.
(Not really... I wish I was there...)
-pj
Quote from: KevLev on 20 November, 2010, 10:26:14 AM
This is a really quick and possibly wrong extrapolation of what I think we are looking at in the still.
The Eagle pad appears to be an entirely different shape to the Stripes pad. It seems to have a thin metal design lying on top of it.
The photo is taken mid-action, and there are two images of the helmet as the head is moving, this makes it look broader. The effect is most noticeable on the crest and nose tabs. I'm not sure about a big part of the top of the helmet coming down to lock into the face. I think the line is just detailing.
The gun has a readout on the side. It could be an ejection hole, but it'd be on the wrong side for a right-hander.
De-blurred helmet, trying to work out the badge design, and a blow-up of eagle pad.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/helmetfix-2k.jpg)
Quote from: pauljholden on 20 November, 2010, 11:56:03 AM
I hate everyone that was at that meeting.
(Not really... I wish I was there...)
-pj
They hate you too... but we don't, we love you. Because you're ONE OF US... the great unwashed masses on the OUTSIDE, who have to huddle around the cold, flickering light of the 2000AD forums hoping for any meagre scrap of news about the new Dredd movie to brighten up our mediocre lives.
ONE OF US! Mwahahahaha!
I recon the eagle side is going to be like a badge design...
As for the helmet being too big- I think if you look at the photo again, it could be the length being long, rather than the width, which is throwing people. ( giving more room for the nose, it could actually be quite tight to the head, ear to ear ?)
Oh Boy, I'd love to be in the frame for the comic adaption, but as Jock already has it done... ;)
Seriously though, I'd have been immensely surprised if I'd even been on a list of possibles, given that there are a LOT of jobbing artists who've already done stuff for the comic that would probably sell their children (unborn or otherwise) to do it. Thanks for the sentiment though IATS.
I doubt I'd even get a look in on a LMOTF style spin-off.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 November, 2010, 11:59:34 AM
Quote from: KevLev on 20 November, 2010, 10:26:14 AM
This is a really quick and possibly wrong extrapolation of what I think we are looking at in the still.
The Eagle pad appears to be an entirely different shape to the Stripes pad. It seems to have a thin metal design lying on top of it.
The photo is taken mid-action, and there are two images of the helmet as the head is moving, this makes it look broader. The effect is most noticeable on the crest and nose tabs. I'm not sure about a big part of the top of the helmet coming down to lock into the face. I think the line is just detailing.
The gun has a readout on the side. It could be an ejection hole, but it'd be on the wrong side for a right-hander.
De-blurred helmet, trying to work out the badge design, and a blow-up of eagle pad.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/helmetfix-2k.jpg)
Outstanding, Cravenoir. I feel a lot better about the helmet after seeing that.
Now...could you photoshop shave him?
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 November, 2010, 11:59:34 AMThe Eagle pad appears to be an entirely different shape to the Stripes pad. It seems to have a thin metal design lying on top of it.
I noticed that too, and I've a theory they're deliberately showing us a shot where we can't see it properly because it's not finished yet (or wasn't in this iteration of the costume, at least). We know from previous nuggets of information that they were still working on the costume up to the last minute, and as you have pointed out the eagle design appears thin and two-dimensional. From a 'good design' point of view they would almost certainly want to make the final version more of a three-dimensional embossed type affair to match the left shoulder pad better.
If this was CSI, you'd have worked out there's an eagle (or not) reflected in a couple of pixels of the background :)
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 November, 2010, 12:16:43 PM
If this was CSI, you'd have worked out there's an eagle (or not) reflected in a couple of pixels of the background :)
We don't have CSI here, we have Forensic Tek Squads!
I like it - looks practical while keeping enough of the imagery.
I also like the idea that it seems to be based on the early 80's version of Dredd where he is still guy in his late thirties.
Must be bloody hot to wear that costume while filming though.
I'd have just settled for a small stylised eagle or just the head in prominent relief. It would look pretty good and less like generic riot pad.
Looking again at the lightened pics I'm warming to it more. Not that I didn't like it before, I just like it more now.
Only gripe is the badge. It's just too much like the Stallone design.
I'd have much preferred something like wakes termight replica design.
If someone could Photoshop wakes badge over the new movie one I think we'd have a spot on costume.
wow bugger off for a day and this happens...
I think its spot on, given that each artist can make Dredd and his helmet look totally different this version is cracking loving the lawgiver and thanks to Teivion for the info, must have been hard keeping quiet!
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 20 November, 2010, 12:37:09 PMOnly gripe is the badge. It's just too much like the Stallone design.
I'd have much preferred something like wakes termight replica design.
If someone could Photoshop wakes badge over the new movie one I think we'd have a spot on costume.
Yup I agree. The Termight Replicas design really is absolutely perfect in every respect. I've come to think of it as the 'definitive' Dredd badge design.
I don't think the Termight badge would work directly on-screen either. A badge more akin to Ezquerra's own version and slightly elongated would be better. The DNA one is too flat and boring, too plasticky, even modern day cop badges look better.
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 12:44:52 PMI don't think the Termight badge would work directly on-screen either.
I can see why it might not work completely with the uniform design they have chosen, as that armour panel is possibly a little too small to mount it on and still have the full impact of the badge. However, a slightly different design for the body armour and it would have worked perfectly well.
Is the gun still going in the boot?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 November, 2010, 12:54:04 PM
Is the gun still going in the boot?
Whether the gun's in the boot or not, Dredd still needs the boot knife. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't pull it out and yell "BOOT KNIFE!" (Not really, it'd probably be a little too cheesy for this particular movie version).
For practical purposes it would probably be ideal for a judge to have two gun holsters. One in the boot for easy access to the weapon when mounted on a Lawmaster, and one on the belt in which to re-holster it when dismounted.
Clearly though, I'm getting way too geeky an over-thinking this whole thing now. I really ought to stop before I turn into some kind of ultra-geek (assuming I'm not already - one can hope).
Yeah is a bit unless he says it in a one liner like Bond or Arnie used to,''Boot knife creep''etc
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 20 November, 2010, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 12:44:52 PMI don't think the Termight badge would work directly on-screen either.
I can see why it might not work completely with the uniform design they have chosen, as that armour panel is possibly a little too small to mount it on and still have the full impact of the badge. However, a slightly different design for the body armour and it would have worked perfectly well.
It wouldn't work because the design style is not suitable. I don't think the Minty version, which is similar, works too well on-screen either even though the uniform looks great, the badge is too broad. Ezquerra's orginal shape is still the best for both comic and on-screen.
Adding curvature so the badge sticks out with more relief to the design would have made all the difference to destroy the memory of Stallone which I thought was the point, the badge is
iconic after all.
(http://www.2000adonline.com/books/assets/covers/judge_dredd_carlos_ezquerra_collection.jpg)
(http://www.allproducts.com/metal/maxcoin-1/police_badges-l.jpg)
(http://reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-badge.jpg)
Termight badge overlaid. I don't think it fits with the angular design they've gone for.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
(http://reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-badge.jpg)
Termight badge overlaid. I don't think it fits with the angular design they've gone for.
It actually looks better than I thought it would on that body armour. I really don't agree with garageman that the design style is unsuitable... each to his own. It's in the eye of the beholder I guess. The design of the uniform is angular yes, but it does have elements of curvature (the shoulder pad being most notable) which compliment that badge design.
Take back what I said about the helmet being too big - I can see now that it was simply a combination of the lighting and the angle of the shot making it appear so. It looks great!
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 20 November, 2010, 01:10:40 PM
It actually looks better than I thought it would on that body armour. I really don't agree with garageman that the design style is unsuitable... each to his own. It's in the eye of the beholder I guess.
The design doesn't fit with the rest of uniform as a whole, each part must reflect the style chosen that makes everything fit, like the badge on the helmet must have the same style as the name badge and belt buckle etc. That's what's so difficult to adapt to the real world. You can't just take your favourite individual bits from different artist styles and Frankenstein them. It don't work. Elongate the termight badge, make it stand out more and it would fit better.
The actual badge style they've chosen doesn't fit too well either as it looks more
art deco than the rest of the design which looks more '70s, so logically they should have gone for a more '70's cop style shield except longer:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xgh17QHrGgE/S-LYc-wjOKI/AAAAAAAAAFE/pY5w0B5He1U/s320/first.JPG)
(http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_01_2010/post-1389-1262723856.jpg)
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 20 November, 2010, 01:10:40 PM
It actually looks better than I thought it would on that body armour. I really don't agree with garageman that the design style is unsuitable... each to his own. It's in the eye of the beholder I guess.
The design doesn't fit with the rest of uniform as a whole, each part must reflect the style chosen that makes everything fit, like the badge on the helmet must have the same style as the name badge and belt buckle etc. That's what's so difficult to adapt to the real world. You can't just take your favourite individual bits from different artist styles and Frankenstein them. It don't work.
I know what you mean (and BTW added a bit to my post since you replied to it) but I still look at it and it works pretty well for me. For me the badge only leaps out as being out of place because it's shinier than anything else on the uniform, not because of the shape or the design. I think the shape compliments the look of the shoulder pads quite nicely. Many artists have portrayed the name badge as being a very different shape and design from the helmet badge and these versions still worked. A less shiny version would work nicely in my view.
Having seen that lovely brightened, de-blurred image above, it looks a damn site better than it did last night. Whatever is on the right shoulder looks like it could be a swooping eagle motif- and that would please me no end. Unless they find that an eagle is somehow more expensive than a pad and yet again we have Dredd as the only judge in a "hero" costume.
The helmet is spot on- I still think it's too big- but only in the same way that I do when some artists draw it that way. Dredd's helmet has changed so much- and continues to change on a weekly basis depending on the artist- that there really is no 'definitive'. The Minty uniform is as close to an potential "exact" replica of the comic as you can get without actually syphoning off our brain-juice and distilling our collective memories, but even then it would look "wrong" to someone who stopped reading the prog after the first year. Or who had, for example, only ever read Brendan McCarthy-drawn stories. Or Siku's.
I'm not sold on the body armour. Yes, it looks "realistic", but personally I don't want a "realistic" Dredd movie. I've read the script, hated it, and realise this movie isn't for me. It's the kind of film I have no interest in- and if it wasn't nominally Dredd, it wouldn't even cross my radar. It's highly unlikely I'll go see it at the cinema- which I might have done if Dredd had ended up looking more like Dredd in the comics.
I realise I'm not supposed to say this, and it would be better if everyone was "on message" as it were, but honesty is always the best policy, isn't it?
Anyway- I wish the project well, but I just hope we don't end up with a massively successful film that leads to massive changes in the strip itself. I'd rather a massively successful film that has no impact on the comic's style, but leads to more massively successful sequels more in keeping with the Dredd I know and love.
SBT
QuoteThe actual badge style they've chosen doesn't fit too well either as it looks more art deco than the rest of the design
Eh? It doesn't look Art Deco at all. It's chunky and angular, and fits with the rest of the uniform. Much as I love the 'classic' Termight design, it's too rounded and doesn't suit the look they're going for.
Quote from: radiator on 20 November, 2010, 01:24:22 PM
QuoteThe actual badge style they've chosen doesn't fit too well either as it looks more art deco than the rest of the design
Eh? It doesn't look Art Deco at all. It's chunky and angular, and fits with the rest of the uniform.
Sure about that?
(http://reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-badge.jpg)
some
art deco:
(http://www.fabulousmasterpieces.co.uk/userimages/Art_Deco_Art.jpg)
Quote from: radiator on 20 November, 2010, 01:24:22 PM
QuoteThe actual badge style they've chosen doesn't fit too well either as it looks more art deco than the rest of the design
Eh? It doesn't look Art Deco at all. It's chunky and angular, and fits with the rest of the uniform. Much as I love the 'classic' Termight design, it's too rounded and doesn't suit the look they're going for.
Take a look at the 'extension' to the shoulder pad that extends down along the top of the arm. It's almost exactly the same shape at the classic Termight badge. It's almost as if they put that shape in to tie in the design of the badge, and then decided to change the badge anyway!
Probably thinking Art Nouveau,i always mix em up
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 01:16:04 PMThe actual badge style they've chosen doesn't fit too well either as it looks more art deco than the rest of the design...
See I do rather agree on that score. If the new badge actually looked
better with the uniform I'd be less inclined to say they should have gone with the Termight design. The chosen badge design is too much 'generic futuristic' as opposed to what we've come to expect from Dredd which has always incorporated more 'Classic American' (for want of a better term) elements into its futuristic designs.
It's not quite out and out Art Deco but the influence is there and designers do tend to fall back rather predictably on elements of that style when they want an angular futuristic look.
and here's the Lawmaster:
(http://playa-dust.com/burningman/moderate/photos_m/1359730688-pear-county-chopper-critical-tits-gina-burning-man.jpg)
(http://ebeltz.net/fieldtrips/burningman06/25-06pearcountychopper.jpg)
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 20 November, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 01:16:04 PMThe actual badge style they've chosen doesn't fit too well either as it looks more art deco than the rest of the design...
See I do rather agree on that score. If the new badge actually looked better with the uniform I'd be less inclined to say they should have gone with the Termight design. The chosen badge design is too much 'generic futuristic' as opposed to what we've come to expect from Dredd which has always incorporated more 'Classic American' (for want of a better term) elements into its futuristic designs.
It's not quite out and out Art Deco but the influence is there and designers do tend to fall back rather predictably on elements of that style when they want an angular futuristic look.
There's a definite
art deco stlye integrated but
art deco is always more Batman than Dredd, so going for an alternate '70's badge is more appropriate I think.
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 01:43:17 PM
and here's the Lawmaster:
(http://playa-dust.com/burningman/moderate/photos_m/1359730688-pear-county-chopper-critical-tits-gina-burning-man.jpg)
Actually that would kinda work for the frame if they removed the ridiculous 'rocket engines' or whatever they are and built a great big chunky body around it! (On a purely visual level anyway... in reality I don't think the frame would be anywhere near strong enough to support a full size lawmaster body plus a fully uniformed judge rider).
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 20 November, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 01:16:04 PMThe actual badge style they've chosen doesn't fit too well either as it looks more art deco than the rest of the design...
See I do rather agree on that score. If the new badge actually looked better with the uniform I'd be less inclined to say they should have gone with the Termight design. The chosen badge design is too much 'generic futuristic' as opposed to what we've come to expect from Dredd which has always incorporated more 'Classic American' (for want of a better term) elements into its futuristic designs.
It's not quite out and out Art Deco but the influence is there and designers do tend to fall back rather predictably on elements of that style when they want an angular futuristic look.
There's a definite art deco stlye integrated but art deco is always more Batman than Dredd, so going for an alternate '70's badge is more appropriate I think.
We seem to have come to a point of agreement here at least. Of course, all of this is just nitpicking, really. I do think the uniform is going to look good on screen and be sufficiently "Dredd" to please most of the fans when it comes to the crunch.
It all comes down to money and time. If the film's a success, these issues can be ironed out.
Impressed.
Whatever style the badge is, there's no doubt it resembles the Stallone badge a lot, which is a bit surprising after all!
Can anybody have a pic up with the two badges side by side?
Garageman- Epic find on the bike! Who knew that 2000AD fans made it all the way to Burning Man! I understand why they have it in the desert, the turning cicle must be huge on that thing especially at any reasonable speed. Dredd would need the movie costume to survive the constant and inevitable crashes trying to get it round MC1.
Quote from: nicklarr on 20 November, 2010, 02:01:49 PM
Whatever style the badge is, there's no doubt it resembles the Stallone badge a lot, which is a bit surprising after all!
Can anybody have a pic up with the two badges side by side?
(http://www.termight.co.uk/images/3badges4_600.jpg)
(http://reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-badge.jpg)
Looking good! :)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-1/83440/rwerw.jpg)
Quote from: Emperor on 20 November, 2010, 03:02:13 AMThe badge and shoulderpad are so similar these from prog 2 it makes me wonder if they didn't lift directly from it, makes sense as they are going for young Dredd in this film (it'd be fun to see the design change over the years as this franchise rolls on):
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5424/judgedredd05sy5.jpg)
Yeah, definate early McMahon look overall, Karl Urban even looks very similar to the prog 2 Dredd image as well. As long as they dont make him sound like a corny douchebag (like the Stallone version) Ill be happy.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 20 November, 2010, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 01:43:17 PM
and here's the Lawmaster:
(http://playa-dust.com/burningman/moderate/photos_m/1359730688-pear-county-chopper-critical-tits-gina-burning-man.jpg)
Hershey's Hot Dog Run?
Quote from: judgefett on 20 November, 2010, 02:11:30 PMThe badge and shoulderpad are so similar these from prog 2 it makes me wonder if they didn't lift directly from it, makes sense as they are going for young Dredd in this film (it'd be fun to see the design change over the years as this franchise rolls on):
I don't think it's that. I think it's more that Dredd's uniform started out as something that was largely practical and possible, but over the years it's been stylised and exaggerated to a huge degree, and we now have that massive eagle and shoulder pad. The thing is, the way most artists draw Dredd, he wouldn't be able to lift his arms up.
The same's true for the helmet—in those early Dredds, it's a stylised biker helmet, with those proportions. Now, you've got to the point where unless Dredd's head (and that of every other judge) is about half the size of a normal person's above the lips, it just wouldn't fit.
Quote from: nicklarr on 20 November, 2010, 02:01:49 PM
Can anybody have a pic up with the two badges side by side?
Will this do?
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/badges-2k.jpg)
Quote from: Teivion on 20 November, 2010, 11:52:24 AM
Yes,
Jocks initial work was taking the script into a storyboard, which was done in a comic book style.
This was at the meeting too ;-)
It might be an idea to publish that at some point.....
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 20 November, 2010, 01:22:10 PM
Anyway- I wish the project well, but I just hope we don't end up with a massively successful film that leads to massive changes in the strip itself. I'd rather a massively successful film that has no impact on the comic's style, but leads to more massively successful sequels more in keeping with the Dredd I know and love.
SBT
I had to double post as i couldnt scroll back far enough to edit the previous comment to include a quote from this comment.
I cannot see it happening that future JD scripts are going to be changed to match the content of the film somehow as the film is something that exists apart from the strips as its a different medium that has different priorities and i am pretty sure that the artists,writers and the editiorial at 2000ad wouldnt want that to happen and besides it makes no sense at all to change the structure of a 30 yr old strip to have the same content as one film.
I wouldnt worry about that at all.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 November, 2010, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: nicklarr on 20 November, 2010, 02:01:49 PM
Can anybody have a pic up with the two badges side by side?
Will this do?
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/badges-2k.jpg)
You've compared it with the 3D badge from 1995, as opposed to the flatter one (on the right on this image).
(http://www.termight.co.uk/images/3badges2.jpg)
Quote from: strontium71 on 19 November, 2010, 07:53:21 PM
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For posterity:
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Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 November, 2010, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: nicklarr on 20 November, 2010, 02:01:49 PM
Can anybody have a pic up with the two badges side by side?
Will this do?
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/badges-2k.jpg)
Yes, lovely!
There was also that other "flat" badge that was even more like the new one.
(the other one next to Termights)
It wasn't on Stallones uniform though... but the only noticeable difference is the stars (and the feathers are altered slightly)
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 20 November, 2010, 03:10:12 PM
Quote from: Teivion on 20 November, 2010, 11:52:24 AM
Yes,
Jocks initial work was taking the script into a storyboard, which was done in a comic book style.
This was at the meeting too ;-)
It might be an idea to publish that at some point.....
When Jock revealed this there was enthusiasm for this to be published, as storyboards it might not come over exactly like a comic but I think we'd all be able to cope (or it could be reworked into a more comicy format), so fingers crossed this happens.
Maybe I'm imagining that it's not as painted up as the helmet crest, but the badge on the photo has the look of unpainted resin. It may also be a lot deeper than it initially appears from that angle — the bars of the wing feathers falling away as they join the body.
That image is now my screensaver :D
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 November, 2010, 03:46:21 PM
Maybe I'm imagining that it's not as painted up as the helmet crest, but the badge on the photo has the look of unpainted resin. It may also be a lot deeper than it initially appears from that angle — the bars of the wing feathers falling away as they join the body.
I think you'e imagining it.
I have to say I got a right tingle seeing that pic! Nothing there bothers me, and just the fact that it exists has made my day.
The costume is good overall, helmet looks a tad big though.
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 02:06:31 PM
(http://reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-badge.jpg)
Now what the hell is wrong with that?
It's spot on!
The Termight badge is by far THE best of any badge made.... ever.
Shoulda used one like it.
I am more than happy with this costume and am going to give it the coveted GhostPockets seal of approval
(http://goodnature.nathab.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Male-Elephant-Seal.jpg)
So there!
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 20 November, 2010, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 02:06:31 PM
(http://reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-badge.jpg)
Now what the hell is wrong with that?
It's spot on!
The Termight badge is by far THE best of any badge made.... ever.
Shoulda used one like it.
Agreed and agreed.
Looks like there could be a touch of Green to the lawgiver?
I feel the lawgiver is a little too Halo-ish, it does need the semicircular dial IMHO.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 November, 2010, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 20 November, 2010, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 02:06:31 PM
(http://reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-badge.jpg)
Now what the hell is wrong with that?
It's spot on!
The Termight badge is by far THE best of any badge made.... ever.
Shoulda used one like it.
Agreed and agreed.
:thumbsup:nothing wrong with that :thumbsup:
Quote from: Teivion on 20 November, 2010, 05:24:50 PM
Looks like there could be a touch of Green to the lawgiver?
I feel the lawgiver is a little too Halo-ish, it does need the semicircular dial IMHO.
Yeah,greenish tint on the sliding bit on top of the gun(don't know the proper name)
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 November, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: Teivion on 20 November, 2010, 05:24:50 PM
Looks like there could be a touch of Green to the lawgiver?
I feel the lawgiver is a little too Halo-ish, it does need the semicircular dial IMHO.
Yeah,greenish tint on the sliding bit on top of the gun(don't know the proper name)
Is that not because the black of that exposed part of the gun is reflecting the properties of the bounced light that is hitting it from the surrounding walls etc. Wouldn't make sense to have a tinge of green on a all black gun that is designed to suit a uniform that looks entirely black.
Looks to be slightly different? who knows,i know Glock do a two tone pistol in green and black so its possible.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/Glock%2027%20OD.JPG
True- Cravenoir's photoshopping may have included increasing some extra hue's for the costumes look...
I can only say it looks black to me with with more light hitting it than the rest of the gun.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 November, 2010, 05:50:15 PM
Looks to be slightly different? who knows,i know Glock do a two tone pistol in green and black so its possible.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/Glock%2027%20OD.JPG
That's a pronounced difference though...and yes, as we're all thinking it by now, this Dredd photo is becoming the most examined/scrutinised in history.
HAHA all part of the fun,looking again it looks different but it could be a case of mat black on the lower part of the gun and shiny gloss black or dull bare metal on the slider bit....or like you say Photoshop and im just giddy like a kid over this film.
hah,
Yeh, knowing the pads weren't going to be in the frame, I always thought that it was going to be do-or-die when the pics came out.
This seems to hit the nail on the head.
Brave gamble,could have back fired but than fudge it didn't,now elbow and knee pads? still must have em,right?
Maybe they're saving themselves from total annihilation for now by only showing him from the chest up, the biggest changes being below that line, especially the inevitable golden codpiece and glamrock boots.
:o Aussie Judge style shorts and green crocs?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 November, 2010, 06:14:38 PM
Brave gamble,could have back fired but than fudge it didn't,now elbow and knee pads? still must have em,right?
Don't think they matter, if they're smart they'll have made the pads as integral parts of the gauntlets and boots with the jacket and bottoms having short sleeves and legs.
I'm expecting them to be similar to the shoulder pad, but black.
It doesnt seem too bad, though I cant see why they've swiped the Stallone chest armour and badge. The idea that in the future, armour wont have evoled to at least be a bit more slimline than that seems unlikely. It just makes the costume seem more unwieldy and impractical- well for 23 hour 50 minutes wear at least!
And get a shave!
Otherwise, the shoulder pad looks fine - maybe a tad smaller than I'd have gone - shrinking the pads as well as adding the chest bulk kind of ruins the shape a bit, making it seem a bit podgey.
But overall, its an interesting take on things, even if it does sit in danger of kind of entering DC Dredd territory - that "almost" Dredd but not quite that you got from (usually) American artists unfamiliar with the character - especially with regards the stubble!
I dont know what it is that is around Karl Urbans neck around the collar but it looks oversized and superfluous so it needs to be got rid of.
Does anyone know what its meant to be ?
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 20 November, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
I dont know what it is that is around Karl Urbans neck around the collar but it looks oversized and superfluous so it needs to be got rid of.
Does anyone know what its meant to be ?
I thought you were not going to look at these pictures? ;)
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 20 November, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
I dont know what it is that is around Karl Urbans neck around the collar but it looks oversized and superfluous so it needs to be got rid of.
Does anyone know what its meant to be ?
I will say that it reminds me of some sort of space suit that Dan Dare would wear.
All in all, looks great.
re: the size of karl's helmet (ooer missus) it reminds me a bit of the legendary heroes dredd as that didnt allow for much in the peripheral visions.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 20 November, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
I dont know what it is that is around Karl Urbans neck around the collar but it looks oversized and superfluous so it needs to be got rid of.
Does anyone know what its meant to be ?
Motorbike padding,all propper suits have them around the neck and spine
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/valentino_rossi_yamaha_action.jpg)
Yeh.
Mad Max
Motor bike cop...
See the angle?
Considering they ripped off Dredd for the poster it's only fair:
(http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Mad%20Max%20poster%201.jpg)
The shoulder pads are wrong.
If DNA don't rectify this, then I will slit my wrists in the sink standing up and it will be all their fault.
You know what to do, DNA.
Get a camera, this will be fun.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 November, 2010, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 20 November, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
I dont know what it is that is around Karl Urbans neck around the collar but it looks oversized and superfluous so it needs to be got rid of.
Does anyone know what its meant to be ?
Motorbike padding,all propper suits have them around the neck and spine
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/valentino_rossi_yamaha_action.jpg)
Plus it made creating the uniform that bit easier as all they had to do was modify some existing motorbike gear plus to make the character that bit more believable and easier to relate to the character looks more and more like a contemporary character rather than a character from the future.
Wether all bike suits have it or not i dont like detail.
Don't mind it and i bet if the flms a success the guy who does Batman and Iron man and Xmen biker suits does the Dredd one,i will look a twat on my Suzuki but i don't care
http://amog.com/tech/batman-bike-suit/
That Batman Biker suit is quite homosexual, especially the silver tits and diamond crotch, stay away from Dredd whoever designed this, it's as bad as the Stallone Dredd.
Brave man who can walk into tescos dressed as Bats
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 November, 2010, 11:51:55 PM
Brave man who can walk into tescos dressed as Bats
And I'll give a tenner to Children in Need to anyone who can provide the photographic evidence that they've done it!
Looks great!
My only crit would be that the shoulder pads are a tad smaller than I'd like. He looks a bit gruntish whereas larger pads might give him a more regal look befitting a judge. Or something. I'm fine with it anyway. I also like how they expanded the chest armour. I'm pretty sure I suggested that before they stole the idea. :cool:
I assume we're going to see more armour on the legs too otherwise he'll look a bit top-heavy.
This has definitely eased any concerns I had anyway.
Now I'm wondering how female judges will look in all this extra padding. :think:
Quote from: SAJse on 21 November, 2010, 12:04:56 AM
LI also like how they expanded the chest armour. I'm pretty sure I suggested that before they stole the idea. :cool:
You mean you suggested it before the '95 film too?
Quote from: Garageman on 21 November, 2010, 12:07:41 AM
Quote from: SAJse on 21 November, 2010, 12:04:56 AM
LI also like how they expanded the chest armour. I'm pretty sure I suggested that before they stole the idea. :cool:
You mean you suggested it before the '95 film too?
Don't think that's what he meant
This interpretation of Dredd looks the business. The helmet is spot on, the body armour looks fit for purpose ie kicking futuristic arse and the lawgiver looks suitably chunky and mean.All in all looking good.
Is futuristic arse harder to kick? :D
Don't you know anything???
Future arse is 17% more harder to kick - FACT!!!
Ah!....alright then.....sturdier boots required.
wow, late to the party but that looks cool as. I didn't mind the look from the last one but this looks much more practical. And the Lawgiver rocks.
Need more now.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 10:33:48 PM
Considering they ripped off Dredd for the poster it's only fair:
(http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Mad%20Max%20poster%201.jpg)
Speaking of which; how awesome would have been if Frank Frazetta had gotten to illustrate/paint Judge Dredd!!
I don't think the fabric of the universe could have handled a FF Dredd painting,seas raising ,fire and brimstone etc....just too awesome.
Quote from: Garageman on 20 November, 2010, 10:33:48 PM
Considering they ripped off Dredd for the poster it's only fair:
Nahhh, how can they do something like that..??? ;)
(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=3893;image)
sniff.. I think I need some lessons for posting here :'(
It's okay mr carlos sir, we just all much prefer your original.
And- since when did the 95 version have 'armour' on the chest? That's just a big clip to hold the shoulder pads on. There's plated armour on the back, yes, but if anything, the front is a bra.
SBT
I love it more everytime I look at it to be honest. The neck padding is one of the best touches in my opinion, and I'm well pleased they've got the gloves nailed.
One change there that I think might work really well is that it appears the respirator is much wider - when it slides down it looks like theres sections either side of the shield that come down as well in line with the sides fo teh helmet so that it covers the whole face - that could look quite cool, and more practical that the "jsut the shield" version that you see in the comic.
edit: I see Kev Levs already figured that out!
Quote from: Carloss on 21 November, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
sniff.. I think I need some lessons for posting here :'(
You need a Knighthood for services to the British comics industry,JW also. :)
The helmet is definitely too big. I called over the wife and asked her immediate reaction and it was 'the helmet is too big' and she's got experience of that kind of thing.
I wonder though, and sorry if this has been speculated already, if the helmet juts out because the film is being made in 3D and to have it regular sized may have spoiled the effects.
Frankly is someone has ponied up $50 million I'd be inclined to go along and see what they come up with.
Dredd and Tintin in one year - it's like someone ready my fantasy journal! All I need is Joan Collins to make another Bitch or Stud and I'm all done!
I'm loving the punk influence in that early Dredd concept sketch, Mr Carlos!
@Buttoman LMAO
Quote from: Buttonman on 21 November, 2010, 12:50:19 PM
The helmet is definitely too big. I called over the wife and asked her immediate reaction and it was 'the helmet is too big' and she's got experience of that kind of thing.
Damn that
adultress.
Quote from: Buttonman on 21 November, 2010, 12:50:19 PMI wonder though, and sorry if this has been speculated already, if the helmet juts out because the film is being made in 3D and to have it regular sized may have spoiled the effects.
Wouldn't that exaggerate it more and make the problem worse? I keep forgetting this will be in 3D, that's how pointless and odd the idea seems to me still, that my brain automatically dismisses it as
poppycock.
Quote from: Carloss on 21 November, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
sniff.. I think I need some lessons for posting here :'(
If you are wanting to show the image full size, I'm happy to assist.
(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=3893;image)
I think If I have one slight niggle it's that there's no chain on the badge. Seems a small detail and not really a practical one, but I always thought the eagle and chain were quite symbolic (it gave it a whiff of freedom/liberty and oppression respectively) , but I'm maybe reading into it too much. The eagle might look silly in a movie but a wee chain would have been nice. I'm sure I'll get over it.
I don't mind the loss of chain. It looks interesting on the comic, but since they're going for practicality.... well, a chain can get caught on things can't it?
My first impression is - I like it.
I like the colour hues and the finishing on the helmet. There are some nice nods to comic Dredd past and present. I love the fact that he seems to be in leather. I like the look of the Lawgiver (though would it have killed them to put a small semi circle disk on the side).
I agree with some of the comments about elements looking a bit over sized, but I think proof of the pudding will be in seeing it in motion and if it looks practical whilst in action.
Despite the helmet looking a little bit large (in this shot), the 'eyes' and face of the helmet are still definitely Dredd. It's this which will sell it to me in the film.
In summary -the helmet face is Dredd, the rest could work, I'm still optimistic.
Steven
It might have been nice to put a relief of an Eagle on the other pad.
Quote from: Minty on 21 November, 2010, 03:01:46 PM
It might have been nice to put a relief of an Eagle on the other pad.
Of course it could have been done stylistically to fit-in and add to the look, there's an eagle on the badge so it wouln't be out of place to have a more noticeable moulded relief part on the shoulder pad with subtle padding to complete the stylised eagle form without it looking ridiculous, but it seems they're either playing it safe or didn't have the time to spend on it.
I saw a comment by someone on Den of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.com/) saying 'the browness of the suit looks odd in contrast to the helmet'. That was a first for me. Looking at the image, particularly the one they show, (which I didn't notice until I read their post) I'm pretty sure the brown tint is reflection.
Another guy complains (to me. I'm Marvmarble* on there) that the helmet and suit 'has gone wrong already'. I can understand people disliking the suit, (don't get me wrong, I like it myself, but it is different, which will rub some folks up the wrong way) but the helmet is pretty much spot on to me. Unless it's the common complaint of being 'too large' which I'm not convinced of. (If it is, it's only a bit.)
Actually, someone else there accused that guy of being scojo... (The posts weren't particularly offensive though.)
Edit- On another post he wants DoG to start up a petition to get the DNA guys to employ the Minty guys. Ok, not offensive but a bit irritating. (Not that the Minty folks didn't do a great job. It's the petition thing I find irritating, for some reason. I don't think anyone will bite though.)
*A silly name I know. It's based on a comedy superhero I created as a kid.
I wasn't aware the uniform is brown, whoever he is, he's colour blind.
Looking at the pad in the photo seeming to be different, I think they may have gone that route.
Looking at the pad on the left tricep, Cliff Robinson does something similar with the tailfeathers of the eagle on a pad like that - I could see them splitting the eagle in relief between one of those pads and the shoulder pad.
Sc*j*'s pretty busy at the moment- everything he said here (along with images created by boarders) is repeated over at gallifreybase.com, under his alias 'whofann'.
SBT
I like what I see so far. The compromises in shoulder pad design seem logical and the retro feel is a nice touch.
The Lawgiver needs the semi circle ammo option thingy (or whatever) in my opinion, 'cos it just looks like a modified Uzi to me.
Helmet is spot on, although a little large, and the scratches give it a worn in look.
Can't wait now to see a full length photo to see the rest of the uniform. :)
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 21 November, 2010, 01:48:53 PM
Quote from: Carloss on 21 November, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
sniff.. I think I need some lessons for posting here :'(
If you are wanting to show the image full size, I'm happy to assist.
And I've updated the original post to include it directly.
But the big question is - what do you think of this Carlos?
Still slightly in awe about how not shite it looks.
My thoughts:
It ain't half bad!
They got the most important feature - the helmet - right. I agree that the lighting makes it appear larger than it is. It looks cool!
Over the years, Dredd's shoulder pads have often been shown to be inhumanly big - fine in the comics but not really practical in "real life". I'm happy with these toned down pads, which resemble the early ones from 2000 AD. I hope that his right pad incorporates an eagle design......
As a bit of a purist, I would have included a badge chain. I see no reason to leave it off. I wonder if the chest armour here is always present in the film, or if it has been added for a particular purpose.
Urban seems to be jutting his chin out as best he can! As for the stubble, isn't he stuck in the tower block for some days?
Intrigued to see the whole suit. And the bike......
QuoteAs a bit of a purist, I would have included a badge chain. I see no reason to leave it off.
Place a large chain around your neck. Now jump up and down a few times. Count how many times it smacks you in the mouth. Then you will see why they left it off the costume.
Or how much noise it makes as you are sneaking about trying to catch perps.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 November, 2010, 06:28:01 PM
Or how much noise it makes as you are sneaking about trying to catch perps.
Somehow, I can't see street judges sneaking around....
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 21 November, 2010, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 November, 2010, 06:28:01 PM
Or how much noise it makes as you are sneaking about trying to catch perps.
Somehow, I can't see street judges sneaking around....
How many times have Judges been stood in the shadows watching perps, just waiting for the signal to move in and do the arrests!
Well, we know the chain's plastic... :)
Quote from: MattJW on 21 November, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
As a bit of a purist, I would have included a badge chain. I see no reason to leave it off.
Yes please add the badge chain, then we can argue about the number of links, their colour and how big it should be.
So far 1 still and 22 pages of mostly drivel, how long before even a trailer is released let alone a film. How much bollocks will the forum be full of before that day.
Quote
How much bollocks will the forum be full of before that day.
1000 pages of bollocks
I'm liking what I see and I know Karl Urban is going to do the role justice!
Bring it on!!! :D
QuoteSo far 1 still and 22 pages of mostly drivel, how long before even a trailer is released let alone a film. How much bollocks will the forum be full of before that day.
The door is over there.
QuoteI know Karl Urban is going to do the role justice!
PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
Quote from: zombemybabynow on 21 November, 2010, 07:32:44 PM
QuoteI know Karl Urban is going to do the role justice!
PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
I know I couldn't help it!
But, adopting a Samuel L Jackson voice, what I meant to say was:
Karl Urban's gonna nail this sucka!!!!
Quote from: Ratty on 21 November, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
QuoteAs a bit of a purist, I would have included a badge chain. I see no reason to leave it off.
Place a large chain around your neck. Now jump up and down a few times. Count how many times it smacks you in the mouth. Then you will see why they left it off the costume.
Well wear a big chain round your neck and start a fight in the pub and see how quickly someone grabs it to hold you still while they smack you in the mouth.
Quote from: Emperor on 21 November, 2010, 05:08:19 PM
But the big question is - what do you think of this Carlos?
He's all ready given his opinion, señor.
must've missed that. What did Carlos say?
He likes it.
Quote from: Stewart Perkins on 21 November, 2010, 07:03:04 PM
Quote from: MattJW on 21 November, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
As a bit of a purist, I would have included a badge chain. I see no reason to leave it off.
Yes please add the badge chain, then we can argue about the number of links, their colour and how big it should be.
So far 1 still and 22 pages of mostly drivel, how long before even a trailer is released let alone a film. How much bollocks will the forum be full of before that day.
Silly fool. I don't care how many links it has etc. It's not a major issue for me, I just like to see classic elements make it to the big screen.
Stallone's costume was so-so but the chain was there and it looked/worked just fine, without causing him any problems!
The reason I never wore/wear jewellery etc is that in a fight it gives something for the opponent to grasp or utilise against you. The chain is just impractical unless you can use it as a weapon yourself.
V
Quote from: Stewart Perkins on 21 November, 2010, 07:03:04 PM
Quote from: MattJW on 21 November, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
As a bit of a purist, I would have included a badge chain. I see no reason to leave it off.
Yes please add the badge chain, then we can argue about the number of links, their colour and how big it should be.
So far 1 still and 22 pages of mostly drivel, how long before even a trailer is released let alone a film. How much bollocks will the forum be full of before that day.
We enjoy the simple pleasure of posting bollocks, thanks.
Quote from: Garageman on 21 November, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 21 November, 2010, 05:08:19 PM
But the big question is - what do you think of this Carlos?
He's all ready given his opinion, señor.
I can't find it in either his main or supplementary accounts:
http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=67108;sa=showPosts
http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=63865;sa=showPosts
The helmet looks about right but I'm not too impressed with the rest of his clothing. Dredd's uniform should look like it's a real police uniform yes but they've changed it too much looking at that picture and his chest area looks too bulky. If they're going to include body armour then make it less obtrusive.
I also agree that there should be a chain like his comic version ( it doesn't look the same without the chain ). As for the shoulder pads the one with the eagle in particular should have the eagle jutting out so it gives him a more powerful appearance. the Stallone movie got many things wrong but the uniform ( apart from the helmet and codpiece ) looked pretty faithful to the comics.
I also think the eagle shoulder pad should be made of a solid material ( like an armoured piece ) so it looks impressive. The Stallone film did that good as it looked faithful to the comics but Stallone could move his arm as it was made of segments that could move.
The lycra suit with matching jacket didn't work either for the 95 Dredd and those clunky boots were utter tosh.
So we have apart from the helmet, the cod piece, the boots and the suit, the uniform was OK in the 95 Dredd. And mustn't forget the clipping that held the shoulder pads on the suit. Yeh they got the 95 uniform spot on.
You may have guessed I am not a big fan of the 95 uniform.
V
The Stallone uniform was faithful to the comic in the sense that all of the elements of it were present but the problem was that the detail of the uniform was very badly reproduced and it looked cheap and tacky especially the lycra material which was terrible as it looked like stocking material that didnt fit all that well.
The Eagle and the codpiece that shouldnt have been there anyway looked like it was made of plastic.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 November, 2010, 12:10:11 AM
I also think the eagle shoulder pad should be made of a solid material ( like an armoured piece ) so it looks impressive. The Stallone film did that good as it looked faithful to the comics but Stallone could move his arm as it was made of segments that could move.
Unlike the comic...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Gazeintofist.jpg)
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 November, 2010, 12:37:52 AM
The Stallone uniform was faithful to the comic in the sense that all of the elements of it were present but the problem was that the detail of the uniform was very badly reproduced and it looked cheap and tacky especially the lycra material which was terrible as it looked like stocking material that didnt fit all that well.
The Eagle and the codpiece that shouldnt have been there anyway looked like it was made of plastic.
I didn't think the eagle looked like plastic. It looked more like metal to me. anyway, police outfits now use plastics as armour as far as I'm aware.
Quote from: Emperor on 21 November, 2010, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 21 November, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 21 November, 2010, 05:08:19 PM
But the big question is - what do you think of this Carlos?
He's all ready given his opinion, señor.
I can't find it in either his main or supplementary accounts:
http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=67108;sa=showPosts
http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=63865;sa=showPosts
Facebook > "I like it..."
Quote from: Ratty on 22 November, 2010, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 November, 2010, 12:10:11 AM
I also think the eagle shoulder pad should be made of a solid material ( like an armoured piece ) so it looks impressive. The Stallone film did that good as it looked faithful to the comics but Stallone could move his arm as it was made of segments that could move.
Unlike the comic...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Gazeintofist.jpg)
They have to make some 'small' changes so the uniform appears like it could be a proper uniform. Dredd in the comics wouldn't be able to move very well with that bulky piece on his shoulder but as I said, I think that part of the Stallone uniform was good and they can make it both practical and faithful to the comics if they take some care with it.
Quote from: vzzbux on 22 November, 2010, 12:19:07 AM
The lycra suit with matching jacket didn't work either for the 95 Dredd and those clunky boots were utter tosh.
So we have apart from the helmet, the cod piece, the boots and the suit, the uniform was OK in the 95 Dredd. And mustn't forget the clipping that held the shoulder pads on the suit. Yeh they got the 95 uniform spot on.
You may have guessed I am not a big fan of the 95 uniform.
V
I wasn't saying the 95 film got the uniform spot on if you look. I think they got the shoulders, badge and chain pretty good but I wasn't keen on the helmet, lycra suit and boots myself. And I certainly didn't like the codpiece. The Judge Minty uniform is nice but the eagle shoulder pad on that looks a bit clunky and I think the eagle shoulder pad in the 95 film was better, again as it looks impressive and has good movement at the same time.
I for one am very happy so far. It feels better every time I look at the pic.
Karl Urban looks the business in the helmet ( and he's a good actor ) but I think the uniform needs a bit of work to be more like the comics.
Lookin' good, I'm pumped! Next, I'm curious to see how Urban plays it, what kind of voice he'll go for, preferably something awesome.
While I like the weathering and authenticity of the helmet. I'm not so sure about the rest of his uniform. I'll need to see the entire uniform from top to bottom, with a film trailer before I'm fully satisfied.
i think the helmet is spot on.
I want to know how the judges are going to move about,are they having some sort or training off a military advisor?
Yes, Dan Hirst is the military advisor on the film, and I think that some cast members have been involved in combat training over the past month or so.
Both Karl Urban and Langley Kirkwood have had this kind of training for film and TV roles before.
I fudgekin love it. Thanks to LARF for cleaning it up a bit. Totally McMahon vibe. I keep imagining it to be at the Aggrodome. The add o0ns really do support the base uniform. Helmets not too big at all. Karls got the Esquerre skinny neck off to a tee.
Quote from: Krombasher on 22 November, 2010, 11:53:36 AM
Karls got the Esquerre skinny neck off to a tee.
I wonder if he's been on a rigourous neck training program?
Hi guys, I just registered so I could see the picture Mr. Ezquerra posted but I thought I may as well share this.
I actually quite like the design they've done and I'm looking forward to the movie, but in case anyone was wondering what the design would look like with just a few tweaks to make it look more traditional, I whipped up this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/newdredd-bette2r.jpg)
No huge changes, but I think it shows that something closer to the traditional design (closer than this even) would have worked fine. I don't think this looks any less acceptable or plausible for a "proper" movie, and the jacket/torso could be even simpler/more form fitting without losing any realism.
Again, this is from a guy who really likes the actual design, I just thought people might be curious. Maybe something closer to this in a sequel if there is one?
what, uh, what have you actually done to that photo?
I think he's taken the 'biker bulge' protective gear off Dredd's back.
and increased the shoulder pad size
He's reduced the helmet to about 95%, scaled up the shoulder pad, removed the pad on the upper arm, curved the bottom of the badge, and gathered in the big collar. It certainly doesn't make it look worse.
I like the collar adjustment thingy.
Looks great,i would like it to move a little closer once Jo Blogs gets used to Dredd,but i'm fine with the new suit for the moment. And i can't wait to pick up a helme replica if on get released.
I like the adjustment, but I really don't have any problem with the official redesign either. I would like to see the helmet from a few other angles though. and the rest of the suit.
I think that Ezquerra would take a similar approach to the uniform if he was to redesign it now, since it is quite close to his original design for Dredd.
I think its gonna be torture waiting for snippets for months on end while the film is being made, but there ya go...
Like looking forward to Crimbo when you're a kid.Not often i get that feeling nowadays.
I like it. It looks like a uniform rather than a costume. It keeps the important elements while showing huge potential to appeal to as wide an audience as possible.
Can't wait.
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h323/Rex_Banner_/DreddQuick.jpg)
That looks great Rex! By the way, has anybody else noticed that in recent progs they've been colouring Dredd's visor all black without the little clear bit at the bottom? I noticed it a couple of weeks ago and at the time I wondered if it was to keep it in line with a new design. Maybe I was right.
It's always been down to the artist. Jock has always drawn it with the appearance of one colour.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 November, 2010, 05:45:13 PM
Like looking forward to Crimbo when you're a kid.Not often i get that feeling nowadays.
I dont feel that excited about it at all as i am more matter of fact about it but the way i see it is if the film fails the fans expectations then it will still promote 2000AD in such a way that would not be possible otherwise.
I still feel that created a website for the film that is interactive like District 9 is the way forward plus it will promote the comic and to not do this is stupidity as its too good an opportunity to miss.There has to be online promotion going on months before the film is in cinemas and it only involves the expense of creating the website and hosting it online so costcutting is not an excuse to not do it.
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9660/bestestdredd.jpg) (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/bestestdredd.jpg/)
this what the dredd should look like
Quote from: James Stacey on 22 November, 2010, 07:03:55 PM
It's always been down to the artist. Jock has always drawn it with the appearance of one colour.
Yeah, I just looked through my progs and it's all the stuff coloured by Chris Blythe. He definitely only just started to do the all-black visor. Wonder if he knew something we didn't.
According to FBook, The Dredd image was 'leaked' , and could 'actually be Karl's stunt double'.
Quote from: Ratty on 22 November, 2010, 07:48:22 PM
this what the dredd should look like
The helmet looks pretty much the same apart from being flared!
And I'm glad they made the shoulder pad smaller. I didn't say this earlier, but I'm not keen on the second pads on the upper arms. I can understand why they took that route from a practical side of view though. If you tumble sideways that's the bit that'll hit the road.
Quote from: Teivion on 22 November, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
According to FBook, The Dredd image was 'leaked' , and could 'actually be Karl's stunt double'.
No, that's Karl Urban. On the lightened image earlier in this thread you can see his face beneath the visor.
Karl Urban needs a stunt double for standing in a corridor holding a toy gun while wearing a big hat?
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 22 November, 2010, 09:19:50 PM
Karl Urban needs a stunt double for standing in a corridor holding a toy gun while wearing a big hat?
SBT
If this photo really
is from a scene or scene rehearsal, how do you know this scene doesn't involve a stunt or explosion? It's only 1 frame out of the 25 that make up one second of film time.
It's also surprising that it would be considered an official photo at all since it's blurred and not particularly well lit for the first real film
publicity shot the world will see of your most famous character property.
It was a gag, at Urban's expense.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 22 November, 2010, 09:19:50 PM
Karl Urban needs a stunt double for standing in a corridor holding a toy gun while wearing a big hat?
SBT
It's a very heavy hat.
Gags are now illegal, it's Urban's stunt double, Paul Hampshire, that would explain the unshaven look, it would also explain why I thought it never looked like Urban since the first time I saw it. So the first image of Dredd we see is a JIMP.
(http://www.samdb.co.za/photos/headshots/215-head.jpg)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2518215/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2518215/)
Excellent! So the "EXCLUSIVE FIRST LOOK AT KARL URBAN AS 'DREDD'!" that's screamed around the internet is actually nothing of the sort! That's fantastic, and has made me very happy indeed. Maybe paul hampshire has a small head and all will be well after all.
SBT
I think Rebellion should have told everyone or released a better photo to beat the leak. It makes 'em look a bit weak on the handling of the marketing.
Quote from: 3000ad on 22 November, 2010, 09:56:06 PM
This could be what Karl Urban would look like with the classic Dredd uniform but smaller shoulder pads:
With added Dredd scowl, of course.
I think something like that would be an acceptable compromise and not seem too bulky on the big screen.
Looks atrocious, sorry. DNA have done a pretty good job all ready, with a few tweaks of course.
Hi Scott.
I'm willing to believe its not how the helmet will look in the final version but how do you explain the chin kinda looking like Karl Urban.
Quote from: bluemeanie on 19 November, 2010, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Dan Kelly on 19 November, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
As for the overly large helmet can someone with access to Photoshop ease cleanup the shadow in the door by the side of the helmet and see if that improves things? (I also think the shadow inside the helmet is deeper than needs be increase the effect)
Very quick job but helps a bit
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/welshbluemeanie/quickphotoshop.jpg)
Quote from: Cyclopz on 22 November, 2010, 10:06:18 PM
I'm willing to believe its not how the helmet will look in the final version but how do you explain the chin kinda looking like Karl Urban.
The picture you are showing has the face tweaked to look wider.
...aaanyway, weather's nice here, if a bit cold. Wonder what it's like in cape town?
SBT
Sc*j* ALERT!!!
Sc*j* ALERT!!!
4000ad I Win!
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 22 November, 2010, 10:13:53 PM
...aaanyway, weather's nice here, if a bit cold. Wonder what it's like in cape town?
SBT
The sky is falling...let Justice be done.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 November, 2010, 10:07:56 PM
Quote from: Cyclopz on 22 November, 2010, 10:06:18 PM
I'm willing to believe its not how the helmet will look in the final version but how do you explain the chin kinda looking like Karl Urban.
The picture you are showing has the face tweaked to look wider.
Yeah, but didn't take much looks like he coloured in the shadow
Oh man, have I gotta start posting my IMDB reply on here too??!
Quote from: DrRocka on 22 November, 2010, 10:31:05 PM
Oh man, have I gotta start posting my IMDB reply on here too??!
It's okay, he won't last long if it is him.
The guy is insane!
Since jumping back on a couple years ago I've had a thirst for any Dredd related knowledge I can soak up, and over the last few months have actually read the general section of the message board from the beginning, the first readable post being from 2002 if I remember correctly? Pretty sad I guess, but I like to keep myself occupied!
Obviously I've been able to witness the whole ridiculous episode unfold over the best part of ten years and the fact that it's still going on now is just hilarious! Pure comedy. Couldn't make it up.
Excited about the film though, outfit looks alright doesn't it.
He doesn't give up does he?
*sigh* - repeat after me, Scojo....
No -one's got anything wrong, they're making a film with a good deal of love for the source material and an eye for what will work in a cinematic context. Your ramblings, no matter how many times you repeatedly post them on many different sites across the internet are your opinion, and for some reason, you seem to need people to agree to with your bafflingly obsessive point of view.
No one's interested in your screenplay, and you obviously don't like this film. So why not just shut the *beep* up?
and again...
No -one's got anything wrong, they're making a film with a good deal of love for the source material and an eye for what will work in a cinematic context. Your ramblings, no matter how many times you repeatedly post them on many different sites across the internet are your opinion, and for some reason, you seem to need people to agree to with your bafflingly obsessive point of view.
No one's interested in your screenplay, and you obviously don't like this film. So why not just shut the *beep* up?
Quote from: strontium71 on 22 November, 2010, 10:49:16 PM
He doesn't give up does he?
He is never wrong either and he always ignores the comments that are pointing out who he is in a lame attempt to deflect the fact he is being outed.Anyone else if they were accused of being someone they are not would question what you were talking about.There is never an introduction either.
Don't feed the Troll.
At least it's getting my post count up - I'm normally more than happy to lurk and see what folk are shootin' the breeze about...
I assume someone's reported 3000ad by now?
Quote from: M.I.K. on 22 November, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
I assume someone's reported 3000ad by now?
Done and doneded.
I would say most of this site are hardened fans and we probably speak for most of the fans around the world and looking at this thread the general word for the film uniform is a massive :thumbsup:, one or two detractors but generally positive so I can safely say the fans back the film uniform.
V
Yeah, so you've said over and over again on every conceivable site on the internet.
Quote from: vzzbux on 22 November, 2010, 11:11:39 PM
I would say most of this site are hardened fans and we probably speak for most of the fans around the world and looking at this thread the general word for the film uniform is a massive :thumbsup:, one or two detractors but generally positive so I can safely say the fans back the film uniform.
V
But you are wrong, 100%. I want Dredd to be dressed in tight leather shorts and... well, thats it really. I have emailed Rebellion, DNA films and Karl Urbans mum because I am right.
100%
right everyone who comments here: post a comment on the latest Prog and Meg thread... what do you mean you don't get them? ::)
I saw the Judge Minty guys at Thought Bubble this weekend and in the flesh they looked perfect - really insanely good, and a very literal take on the uniform I never thought could work as well as it does, stiff eagle shoulder pad and all.
On reflection though I do think it's worthwhile the Dredd movie guys carving out their own thing using the comic book spirit and themes - Dredd Origins seemed to suggest to me there's a will to make the judges a bit less fancy and a bit more down to business even with the original creators, albeit in flashback. A decent riot-style Dredd is a good thing to have in the world, especially so if the leaks about parts of the city being lawless are on the money.
Proudhuff, I tend to avoid the prog threads as everyone seems to get theirs a week ahead of me, and I don't wanna happen across spoilers.
That said, I thought last week's prog 1711 was bit on the weak side. Top Slaine art though.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 22 November, 2010, 11:20:34 PM
right everyone who comments here: post a comment on the latest Prog and Meg thread... what do you mean you don't get them? ::)
I do get them, I just don't think I can add any more to what has already been said.
And another....
No -one's got anything wrong, they're making a film with a good deal of love for the source material and an eye for what will work in a cinematic context. Your ramblings, no matter how many times you repeatedly post them on many different sites across the internet are your opinion, and for some reason, you seem to need people to agree to with your bafflingly obsessive point of view.
No one's interested in your screenplay, and you obviously don't like this film. So why not just shut the *beep* up?
They're shooting on what amounts to a (relatively) fucking tiny budget, 3000ad. The uniform is done, the die is cast, we'll just have to see what happens.
It's a new continuity, much like the X-Men movie. There's a point with any comics movie where authenticity serves no purpose but to give gentle, soothing fanboy handjobs which are lovely but aren't going to get any of that budget back.
No -one's got anything wrong, they're making a film with a good deal of love for the source material and an eye for what will work in a cinematic context. Your ramblings, no matter how many times you repeatedly post them on many different sites across the internet are your opinion, and for some reason, you seem to need people to agree to with your bafflingly obsessive point of view.
No one's interested in your screenplay, and you obviously don't like this film. So why not just shut the *beep* up?
Apologies to everyone else, but I've found repeating this at him eventually makes him lose his rag and go to bed.
How about we all ignore the smeg and continue chatting and discussing normally. The moderators will soon sort it out I am sure.
V
Quote from: DrRocka on 22 November, 2010, 11:30:15 PM
Apologies to everyone else, but I've found repeating this at him eventually makes him lose his rag and go to bed.
It's a shame it doesn't make the cunt blow his brains out.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQevypMUIb-fXiA9gG4R0U7YmN3IkyPfAgqP7sL1bNvu06ffvfq7A)
actually, vzz, you're quite right - I'm just turning into him then. I'll resume my usual dignified silence until someone returns him to his ward.
Not going to happen.
2000ad readership represents a sliver of the kind of audience this film NEEDS to capture. The Minty stuff is stunning and a great love letter to the classic continuity/design aesthetic. The film is a chance to branch out the franchise with a new canon, and to use that to reimagine a 1977 concept with 33 years of real life influences.
In other words - what's the point of doing a Dredd film you could just do as a six parter in 2000ad? Do that in 2000ad and do what you cannot (tweak or experiment) in the film.
Am I... is he Scojo? Am I debating Scojo?
Quote from: jamesedwards on 22 November, 2010, 11:34:40 PM
Not going to happen.
2000ad readership represents a sliver of the kind of audience this film NEEDS to capture. The Minty stuff is stunning and a great love letter to the classic continuity/design aesthetic. The film is a chance to branch out the franchise with a new canon, and to use that to reimagine a 1977 concept with 33 years of real life influences.
In other words - what's the point of doing a Dredd film you could just do as a six parter in 2000ad? Do that in 2000ad and do what you cannot (tweak or experiment) in the film.
Am I... is he Scojo? Am I debating Scojo?
Yep, the one and only.
Did you guys know John Romita Jr's mother once threatened to cut the bollocks off a guy who owed him money? Thought Bubble was so great.
Good to see Scojo is still slowly losing his mind. If you have that much time on your hands to mailbomb every forum on the web, the size of Dredd's pads are the least of your worries mate.
Don't think I've posted in here yet, but I like the look, body armor and badge included. I will wait to see a full promo pic before making any final decisions about it, and I want to see how they incorporate the eagle, but so far it's a big thumbs up!
Whoah, now youKnowWho's posts have gone I just look like a bit of a maniac!
Mods, I really won't be insulted if you want to remove some of my repetition.
My repetition.
I really won't be insulted if you want to remove some of my repetition.
really?
Yuck.
Sorry.
actually can i ammend that initial reaction (hadn't seen this thread, long weekend) to say the helmet and lawgiver look the dogs bollocks but simply can't associate Dredd with such a different outfit.
And he (whoever it is.. jezus guys...26pages already!) looks way too small in the helmet (i appreciate there is some debate on the tech of this, the upshoot is he looks like he has a tiny heid).
Best to ignore and quickly get rid of lunatic fanboys like What'sHisName.
When I saw some lighter, higher-res pics, the outfit started to grow on me. I can't wait to see some actual footage with proper lighting and all that.
ah well... lets face it we're all going to be watching the fxxk out of this epic anyways.. hell i even watched the last one many many times in the cinema... its still dredd, its still on the BIG screen, its still tharg approved. Good enough for me. Good enough for all of us I'll warrant.
Now can Pixar do a big-padded Gibson dredd short to go before it?
Quote from: vzzbux on 22 November, 2010, 11:31:48 PM
How about we all ignore the smeg and continue chatting and discussing normally. The moderators will soon sort it out I am sure.
V
^^^^ This.
If he turns up again, please don't reply.
I think I can speak for most of the mods when I say that we can read!
it certainly makes for confusing reading if you miss the main blast and just see the fallout. Does the snecker have a fixed IP? can't we just ban the range if not. Im sure a few people would be happy to switch ISP to avoid the inconvinience.
To be honest i'm surprised he's not over in South Africa trying to get on the set?
Thumbs up from me ! The reason the helmet looks big might be because there's padding inside it. Just a thought. :)
Quote from: LARF on 23 November, 2010, 10:21:21 AM
To be honest i'm surprised he's not over in South Africa trying to get on the set?
Administration would have to release him for that.
I think the real reason for the apparent bigness of the helmet is simple - the front edges of the helmet go straight down, a la Jock, rather than slant diagonally back, like a lot of artists do and the Judge Minty helmets do.
So basically, more of the face is covered, and the sides of the helmet sort of stand out in front of his face more. Apart from that it's probably the same shape/size as the Minty ones.
It also means that it won't look this big from front-one or side-on, or, as people have said, in brighter lighting where you can see more of his face.
I did shrink the helmet a tiny tad in the manip I posted earlier, but just to see what it might look like if we didn't have such physical constraints as the size of Urban's head. In reality it's probably as small as it can be and still maintain the correct shape and design.
Someone else said it best, it looks like a uniform, not a costume.
Hi i'm new to this forum. I hav'nt read through all the comments, but i think the uniform in the picture is just Dredd wearing a riot vest. And in other parts of the movie we'll see him in a more authentic looking uniform. Say in less dangerous situations? Just a thought :)
Quote from: danno on 23 November, 2010, 11:42:51 AM
Hi i'm new to this forum. I hav'nt read through all the comments, but i think the uniform in the picture is just Dredd wearing a riot vest. And in other parts of the movie we'll see him in a more authentic looking uniform. Say in less dangerous situations? Just a thought :)
Tis a possibility aye
Quote from: danno on 23 November, 2010, 11:42:51 AM
Hi i'm new to this forum. I hav'nt read through all the comments, but i think the uniform in the picture is just Dredd wearing a riot vest. And in other parts of the movie we'll see him in a more authentic looking uniform. Say in less dangerous situations? Just a thought :)
I doubt it because [spoiler]when Dredd and Anderson enter the block they are unaware that there is any particular danger. This only becomes apparent once the block has been locked down.[/spoiler]
I'm pretty sure this is the uniform he'll be wearing throughout the film. Get used to it folks.
I've said it before (about 20 pages ago) but I really like this design. The helmet's perfect, the Lawgiver looks wicked, I like the adapted shoulder pad and the body armour makes perfect sense.
QuoteI've said it before (about 20 pages ago) but I really like this design. The helmet's perfect, the Lawgiver looks wicked, I like the adapted shoulder pad and the body armour makes perfect sense.
Yup, and as I said at the weekend- it also has to be something that an actor can wear comfortably for 12+ hours a day.
Quote from: lujho on 23 November, 2010, 11:22:14 AMSomeone else said it best, it looks like a uniform, not a costume.
Versus:
URBAN: Sorry, guys, but we need to change this scene. You know I can't move my whole arm up—only from the elbows. (Bloody shoulder pads.)
DIRECTOR: What, again? Fucking hell. Kill the costume guys.
ON-SITE DEATH MONKEY: Yes, sir. GRRRRR.
COSTUME GUYS: Aieeeeeeeeee!
The only things I'd change are to have a more stylised shoulder eagle, like a large insignia in relief that really would not look tacky or kitsch, a better -less like stallone version- badge and maybe a chain, the rest is fine.
I like it, Urban or jimp.
All good. (No links to the chain at all, but it'll do.)
Also - Welcome Back, TB! Great to see you've rejoined us
Just out of morbid curiosity and the fact i've not been on here for years...who is this scojo character?
I've been on quite a few forums relating to the new Dredd movie and he seems to have an opinion on all of them!? :lol:
No more of that please.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 22 November, 2010, 11:20:34 PM
right everyone who comments here: post a comment on the latest Prog and Meg thread... what do you mean you don't get them? ::)
I am 15 weeks behind in reading so far and i mean to catch up on it all over Xmas.
1 week became 2 weeks and then became 3 and so on .........
I have never read that many in a single sitting before so its something new to try as i havent missed a single prog.
Quote from: George Moore on 23 November, 2010, 04:28:58 PM
Just out of morbid curiosity and the fact i've not been on here for years...who is this scojo character?
I've been on quite a few forums relating to the new Dredd movie and he seems to have an opinion on all of them!? :lol:
This is Sc*j*.
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7787/moomammoogerlighter1365x600304x500xi8.jpg)
Quote from: Ratty on 23 November, 2010, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: George Moore on 23 November, 2010, 04:28:58 PM
Just out of morbid curiosity and the fact i've not been on here for years...who is this scojo character?
I've been on quite a few forums relating to the new Dredd movie and he seems to have an opinion on all of them!? :lol:
This is Sc*j*.
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7787/moomammoogerlighter1365x600304x500xi8.jpg)
The pic looks like it has been photoshopped
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 23 November, 2010, 05:19:35 PM
Quote from: Ratty on 23 November, 2010, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: George Moore on 23 November, 2010, 04:28:58 PM
Just out of morbid curiosity and the fact i've not been on here for years...who is this scojo character?
I've been on quite a few forums relating to the new Dredd movie and he seems to have an opinion on all of them!? :lol:
This is Sc*j*.
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7787/moomammoogerlighter1365x600304x500xi8.jpg)
The pic looks like it has been photoshopped
:lol: :lol:
Sadly not. He really looks like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2p-SXM7vyU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2p-SXM7vyU)
best hairline ever
Damn, if I had a hairline like that, I'd be an arsehole too! :lol:
I can see this thread being locked soon...
As for the Dredd pic... its okay. Difficult to get a real opinion from it, TBH.
Certainly not offended by it! :)
He looks like a villain from Mega-City. A creepy constant irritating criminal.
Can we keep the discussion of internet trolls with mental disorders out of this particular thread, please? It'll just bewilder new visitors to the site who've come here because of the Dredd pic.
Enough Scojo.
Ed.
He might be a knob, but posting photos of him is possibly not the right thing to be doing.
Can we get back to analysing the photo of Karl Urban in minute detail, please?
He looks pretty cool actually.
Scojo, I mean....
Where is the offical Dredd movie thread going to be? here at 2000ad or are DNA going to set up a site?
Personally I like it.
That scojo-he's got one of those faces you'd never tire of slapping.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 23 November, 2010, 07:15:31 PM
Where is the offical Dredd movie thread going to be? here at 2000ad or are DNA going to set up a site?
Are we not official enough?, we're the cool people don't you know.
You are all lovley here ,but im thinking about movie wallpapers etc,curious to know if 2000AD are going to fashion a nice little offical film related corner on this site,they should do.
I am sure 'Dreddthemovie.com' will pop up soon.
V
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 23 November, 2010, 07:15:31 PM
Where is the offical Dredd movie thread going to be? here at 2000ad or are DNA going to set up a site?
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/ (http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/)
QuoteHe might be a knob, but posting photos of him is possibly not the right thing to be doing.
Agreed. Although he has said some horrendous things himself about people, it's very possible there are deep mental issues going on here so I've never been too comfortable with the whole tit-for-tat vicious abuse thrown back at him thing. Life's too short.
Anyway, moving on swiftly and not mentioning him again:
I've had a long think about this uniform and the more I see it, the more i like it. It makes sense that a judge in the most violent city on earth should be body-armoured to the hilt. It's different from, but easily as good as, the comic one (which actually looks a bit, well, 70s, in comparison).
That Ray Stevenson Punisher film wasn't the Mae West but I think he was a great Frank Castle, and the outfit was perfect. This Dredd one reminds me of that. And it's leather, not lycra. Good. Goooooood.
Yeah, the hat is a bit big, but it is a motorbike one after all. My motorbike helmet, as my dad pointed out, makes me look like the Mekon.
Dont mention that subject again as i mentioned it once and just about got away with it.
:D
I am on board with this costume. No problemio.
Just read this entire thread and with all the deleted bits it was well confusing!!! Ialways miss the fun stuff. ::)
wow 30 pages of costume prattle in 4 days.
this am some deep geekiness.
..and i like it
I expect this forum will support the bulk of fan interest.
An official site will appear, but probably a lot nearer to the film's release. I doubt it'll be much different to the one for Skyline (http://www.iamrogue.com/skyline), with a trailer, photos, wallpapers, and some kind of novelty game or app.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 23 November, 2010, 09:27:30 PM
I've had a long think about this uniform and the more I see it, the more i like it. It makes sense that a judge in the most violent city on earth should be body-armoured to the hilt. It's different from, but easily as good as, the comic one (which actually looks a bit, well, 70s, in comparison).
I actually think the uniform so far doesn't look that different from it's original 70's comic inception, the new film uniform could easily have been made in the 70's and looks far more 70's than Stallone's which is more like kitsch 80's faschion and that was a film designed in the 90's.
The new one just needs a bit of an eagle pad/shoulder shield to separate it from being more like a modern day riot uniform to a uniform belonging to an identifiably statist & futuristic bureaucracy.
Its an interesting take on the design that many artists have changed over the years.
From what we can see I like it, like many I also hope there is some sort of eagle on the other shoulder.
Fan-bloody-tastic - more please
No, you've had enough.
Seeing as this photo has been recieved so well by the fan community i would like to think that mabey DNA might release an offical picture,one thats better lit ,in focus etc... to tide us over untill the trailer. Web docs detailing the production would be cool to,few pieces of concept art,unused concept art even to show us what could have been.
Guess we will have to wait for the slew of books no doubt planned.
Some word on merchandise would be cool,c'mon DNA we know you are lurking on here.
For those that know me know that Im a big Dredd fan and wont bore anyone who doesnt know me with the details but do people really give a shit?
Im just waiting for the movie and the less I know about it before hand the better.
Yeah the odd pic would be nice but do I really want to know the ins and outs of the whole process.
Quote from: Stewart Perkins on 25 November, 2010, 12:25:20 PM
For those that know me know that Im a big Dredd fan and wont bore anyone who doesnt know me with the details but do people really give a shit?
Im just waiting for the movie and the less I know about it before hand the better.
Yeah the odd pic would be nice but do I really want to know the ins and outs of the whole process.
Isn't nearly
everyone here a big Dredd fan?
Dont know, by the reaction to one photo youd think the world was about to end.
Quote from: Stewart Perkins on 25 November, 2010, 12:53:34 PM
Dont know, by the reaction to one photo youd think the world was about to end.
Eh? ::)
I think it's been a very positive reaction on the whole...did you bother reading the thread?
Bleeding cool with some mega city 1 spy shots:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/25/shots-of-judge-dredds-mega-city-one/
holy f*ck.... does that say ARSOM ???? :o
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/welshbluemeanie/arsom.jpg)
It... does look like it, doesn't it! :lol:
Hard to tell if that's an 'E' on the end, though.
Quote from: bluemeanie on 25 November, 2010, 01:24:05 PM
holy f*ck.... does that say ARSOM ???? :o
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/welshbluemeanie/arsom.jpg)
Think it says AWESOME .. they missed a trick there.
I wonder if that relates to John Wagner's facebook request a while back for suggestions for signage/grafitti for the backdrops etc. Pretty sure someone suggested ARSOM.
EDIT: A quick facebook check and both Radiator and Flint suggested it!!
Good grief, that looks _grim_. I've a feeling we're going to get a very different take on Mega-City One, but my gut feeling says it could be oddly authentic. This certainly looks better than the 'fresh out of the box' metal polish of the original Dredd movie, making me instead think more of Blade Runner, Alien and the grimier bits of Fifth Element.
QuoteGood grief, that looks _grim_. I've a feeling we're going to get a very different take on Mega-City One, but my gut feeling says it could be oddly authentic
Hmmm, I'd like to see it - the Cam Kennedy grubby and sparse MC1 of 'Sunday Night Fever' will always be the definitive one for me.
QuoteDont know, by the reaction to one photo youd think the world was about to end.
Have to agree with G Moore on this one; the reaction has been extremely positive with very few exceptions. Nice to have you around again, though, Stewart, haven't seen much of you lately. (Unless I'm massively mistanken, this guy knows John Wagner, assisted him with Origins, and even has a high-profile MC1 judge named after his old boardname).
Yes, that's right, mistanken.
'Mistanken' - I like it, could be the new 'Arsom'.
surely "Mistanken" is "Tank Girl" in German :D
B'DUM T'SH!
Good news alert!
Asked the guys over at Altered States design who are visiting the set today if they have seen the Lawmaster and if so does it have fat tyres..
And they said YES it has fat tyres but thats all im getting,cool no?
I have read this and other threads and its one poor res image with 33 pages, god knows what will happen when the movie poster comes out.
Mabe world about to end wasnt the right choice of description, maybe more like excited zombies whose brains are just about to be splattered.
Luv the Meg pic too,futuristic 70's council flats via Burnley.
Hmmm. 'S gonna take some clever camera-work to make that little lot look futuristic. And don't mind Stewart/Logan, he's a grumpy fucker but he knows stuff.
Quote from: Stewart Perkins on 25 November, 2010, 02:03:14 PM
I have read this and other threads and its one poor res image with 33 pages, god knows what will happen when the movie poster comes out.
Mabe world about to end wasnt the right choice of description, maybe more like excited zombies whose brains are just about to be splattered.
Sorry for being excited about something we have been waiting for for years.
:(
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 November, 2010, 02:05:51 PM
Hmmm. 'S gonna take some clever camera-work to make that little lot look futuristic.
Do not underestimate the power of atmospheric lighting. The right lighting used and it'll be like BAM! Instant Future!
I think its gonna be a futuristic city the way the Nostromo was a futuristic spaceship
All gonna look very run down and grim... like Birmingham
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 November, 2010, 01:33:43 PM
Good grief, that looks _grim_. I've a feeling we're going to get a very different take on Mega-City One, but my gut feeling says it could be oddly authentic. This certainly looks better than the 'fresh out of the box' metal polish of the original Dredd movie, making me instead think more of Blade Runner, Alien and the grimier bits of Fifth Element.
I've always though of Mega-City One as looking quite shiny and futuristic, provided you're looking at it from a distance (and as long as you're not looking at a bombed-out sector or such like)... but pretty grim and grimy when you look at any part of it close up. Not unlike parts of modern New York or Hong Kong, in fact.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 25 November, 2010, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 November, 2010, 02:05:51 PM
Hmmm. 'S gonna take some clever camera-work to make that little lot look futuristic.
Do not underestimate the power of atmospheric lighting. The right lighting used and it'll be like BAM! Instant Future!
Don't forget goths. If you add some goths and mood lighting, then BAM! yes, "instant future". I often walk into Slimelight and immediately fall over, so convincing is the time distortion. :)
No- people should hold on very firmly to the mantra, "the magic of the movies". It may look like a disused carpark and some boarded-up newsagents, but "the magic of the movies" will transform it into the sprawling metropolis we all know and love.
Edit: Probably.
SBT
Quote from: Stewart Perkins on 25 November, 2010, 02:03:14 PM
I have read this and other threads and its one poor res image with 33 pages, god knows what will happen when the movie poster comes out.
Mabe world about to end wasnt the right choice of description, maybe more like excited zombies whose brains are just about to be splattered.
Why would you be annoyed about people being excited about the film? I really don't get it.
Would you prefer it if nobody was talking about it? Baffling...
Anyway, Danbo John, yes, a fat-wheeled Lawmaster will do me very bloody nicely! I also like the shots of MC1. The 'South Entrance to Mega City 1' looks a bit weedy though. I wonder if that's actually the entrance to the block rather than the whole city?
Quote from: Stewart Perkins on 25 November, 2010, 02:03:14 PM
I have read this and other threads and its one poor res image with 33 pages, god knows what will happen when the movie poster comes out.
Mabe world about to end wasnt the right choice of description, maybe more like excited zombies whose brains are just about to be splattered.
If getting over excited about something we know next to nothing about isn't what the internet is for, then I just don't know anything any more!
-pj
It's also not just a grainy low res picture, its the first look at something we'd been waiting for since the "Disappointment of 95"TM
QuoteThe 'South Entrance to Mega City 1' looks a bit weedy though. I wonder if that's actually the entrance to the block rather than the whole city?
Yeah, I'm sure it's actually the entrance to Peach Trees block.
As for it not looking futuristic enough - remember that the film is [spoiler]set in a slum for the most part.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 25 November, 2010, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 November, 2010, 01:33:43 PM
Good grief, that looks _grim_. I've a feeling we're going to get a very different take on Mega-City One, but my gut feeling says it could be oddly authentic. This certainly looks better than the 'fresh out of the box' metal polish of the original Dredd movie, making me instead think more of Blade Runner, Alien and the grimier bits of Fifth Element.
I've always though of Mega-City One as looking quite shiny and futuristic, provided you're looking at it from a distance (and as long as you're not looking at a bombed-out sector or such like)... but pretty grim and grimy when you look at any part of it close up. Not unlike parts of modern New York or Hong Kong, in fact.
Indeed, following up from this, I have just been flicking through The Henry Flint Collection (happens to be the closest source of Dredd I had to hand) and Henry's atwork sets just the right tone for me. There are a couple of arial views of parts of the cityscape - for example 11 pages into "Streetfighting Man" and they look pretty shiny, polished futuristic... but whenever you see anything at street level close up, it is grimy, dirty, usually covered in grafitti and sometimes even has broken bits of masonry and debris lying around. For me, that combo is just right!
Looks to me like the exit from an airport,you would see 'Welcome to Whatever' on the way out?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 25 November, 2010, 02:00:12 PM
Good news alert!
Asked the guys over at Altered States design who are visiting the set today if they have seen the Lawmaster and if so does it have fat tyres..
And they said YES it has fat tyres but thats all im getting,cool no?
No!! We need photographs!!
OK it is quite cool, but also a massive tease ;)
That Peach trees sign looks to be in the same font as the prawn signs in District 9
I've got a thought and you're probably all gonna say its stupid, but whatever...
Although the uniform on Dredd looks cool (and I do like and understand changes from comic to screen have to be made), the only real Dredd bit is the helmet.
As Anderson doesn't wear one, does anyone ese think she might look a bit generic ? More of a riot cop, than a full on Judge. As she's a rookie, she won't even have a badge like Dredd's. None of this stuff matter of course, I'm still excited ! I just kinda think she won't look very 'Judgey'... That word doesn't exist, does it....
Back to lurking in the shadows for me....
They might not want her to look "judgey" if she's being the rookie and the audiences gateway into the movie universe. She looks less impressive so Dredd looks MORE impressive.... if that makes any sense.
They might play it like Star Trek (which Im sure they've looked at closely) where Kirk doesnt look very starfleet until that awesome end scene where he walks on the bridge in his Shatner gear.
Quote from: bluemeanie on 25 November, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
She looks less impressive so Dredd looks MORE impressive.... if that makes any sense.
Ah, good point. Never thought of that.
I also suppose that, in a way, Anderson is the audience character in the film. Off to see a Judge's day on the streets and we're with her for the ride.
That looks promising to me, nice and grim! I've avoided the script but from the odd thing I've accidentally skimmed through I know it's set in a particularly grimy block, so makes sense that it looks a right shambles. The lawmaster reveal is the one that'll really get me dribbling though. I'm more excited by this movie than I was in '95, which given what a disappointment that was shows how well they've gotten over the stigma of the Stallone movie (with us fans at least).
It looks a bit generic. Kinda Robocopish.
Nothing to be disappointed by and nothing to get excited about.
PS: I am the one and only true fan.
Stan, the true fan
Quote from: KevLev on 25 November, 2010, 01:59:30 PM
surely "Mistanken" is "Tank Girl" in German :D
B'DUM T'SH!
Nnnnniccce!
Hopefully that's the only mistank I'll mank.
QuoteIf getting over excited about something we know next to nothing about isn't what the internet is for, then I just don't know anything any more!
naked chicks are great.
I am seriously unimpressed by the south entrance to MC1
It looks like the back entrance to an Arndale Centre or some 60s type thing.Or a Cimema.Is that supposed to keep out the hordes of mutants from the Cursed Earth ?It really does look like the outside of the Odeon cinema on the seafront but wait a minute its the Cape Town Civic Centre which doubles up as a very convincing exterior of the MC 1 perimeter wall !!
What an absolute pile of third rate Cack
Someones having a laugh arent they ??
:lol: :lol:
::) :thumbsdown:
Quote from: SAJse on 25 November, 2010, 07:43:44 PM
It looks a bit generic. Kinda Robocopish.
Nothing to be disappointed by and nothing to get excited about.
PS: I am the one and only true fan.
Stan, the true fan
now you opened your self up here,the one and only true fanny :lol: :lol:heh heh no offence intended.
My first comment was "OH MY GOD!!!!... I hope this is a fake!"
I may be the only one in here (have not read all the comments) but I hate it. Helm is WAY TOO BIG and uniform looks like a bikers jacket. I will not even comment on the badge and shoulder pads. I do not even like the look of Karl Urban in that shot. He does not look at all menacing.
I do not mind being proven wrong so I will wait for other images, but so far I am far from being impressed.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 November, 2010, 08:30:05 PM
I am seriously unimpressed by the south entrance to MC1
It looks like the back entrance to an Arndale Centre or some 60s type thing.Or a Cimema.Is that supposed to keep out the hordes of mutants from the Cursed Earth ?It really does look like the outside of the Odeon cinema on the seafront but wait a minute its the Cape Town Civic Centre which doubles up as a very convincing exterior of the MC 1 perimeter wall !!
What an absolute pile of third rate Cack
Someones having a laugh arent they ??
:lol: :lol:
::) :thumbsdown:
I really don't know how you can crticise a few blurry snapshots of a couple of signs and some concrete. Without lighting, FX or grading, anything practical will generally look naff especially these days when so much is added and manipulated afterwards. Anything could be done to the footage of these settings in post-production to change the look. C'mon, get real.
I don't think it's meant to be the south entrance to Mega City One either but it's obviously a city block. It's a generic Mega City One sign for a city block in a run down area.
ferchrist sake- can we give the fucking thing a chance to get off the bloody ground?
Some people seem intent on totally trashing this before it's even finished filming.
D'you think it might be possible to keep an open mind?
Somebody lock this thread!
Quote from: Dog Deever on 25 November, 2010, 08:42:34 PM
ferchrist sake- can we give the fucking thing a chance to get off the bloody ground?
Some people seem intent on totally trashing this before it's even finished filming.
D'you think it might be possible to keep an open mind?
Somebody lock this thread!
I agree, some people are just mindless about film-making or how things in general get made in the everyday life of actuality.
I won't be happy until there is a full size Mega-City One built.
I've got an idea. How about we let those people who like what they see have their say, and those people who dont have theirs, without insulting anyone.
If these pictures are going to be released, then people will comment. And if they release blurry shots of Dredd that dont show the uniform off particularly well, then people are going to speculate on what they cant see. And when pics of a crappy concrete wall and some doors are released, people will say that's what they are.
If it ever gets to the point where anyone is bullied into not posting their opinions, or criticism, then yes lock the thread. And the site too while you're at it.
SBT
Quote from: jbezzina on 25 November, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
My first comment was "OH MY GOD!!!!... I hope this is a fake!"
I may be the only one in here (have not read all the comments) but I hate it. Helm is WAY TOO BIG and uniform looks like a bikers jacket. I will not even comment on the badge and shoulder pads. I do not even like the look of Karl Urban in that shot. He does not look at all menacing.
I do not mind being proven wrong so I will wait for other images, but so far I am far from being impressed.
uh oh [ jaws theme ]
Is
he back
again?
I must apologise for that last comment as i got a bit carried away so for the good of the thread please please feel free to delete it.
I am going to make a point of no longer commenting on either this thread or the other film thread.This isnt because i feel i cant speak my mind but because i can speak my mind too much and since i can do that freely on other threads this thread would be better off without it.I am censoring myself but its my own choice to do so.
Those location snaps are of the south entrance to Peach Trees Block, as that's where the characters enter the place. *cough* scene 24.
The Cape Town Civic Center is only lightly set dressed at the moment. (And I can prove it!) I'm just about to write a blog entry on this, more to illustrate how light this "news" is, than to big it up. I mean it's all very interesting, but it's just a bit of wall really! :)
A bloke on the Altered States facebook page just said he's going to be interviewed for a "Behind the scenes featurette interview tomorrow". Could mean anything. Hopefully for a web thing in the not too distant future, but sod's law it'll be on the blu-ray.
QuoteI really don't know how you can crticise a few blurry snapshots of a couple of signs and some concrete.
Are you new to the internet?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 25 November, 2010, 08:59:07 PM
I've got an idea. How about we let those people who like what they see have their say, and those people who dont have theirs, without insulting anyone.
If these pictures are going to be released, then people will comment. And if they release blurry shots of Dredd that dont show the uniform off particularly well, then people are going to speculate on what they cant see. And when pics of a crappy concrete wall and some doors are released, people will say that's what they are.
If it ever gets to the point where anyone is bullied into not posting their opinions, or criticism, then yes lock the thread. And the site too while you're at it.
SBT
No one is stopping anyone from posting, the same as we all have the right to reply. Works both ways I'm afraid.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 November, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
QuoteI really don't know how you can crticise a few blurry snapshots of a couple of signs and some concrete.
Are you new to the internet?
I invented it.
QuoteI've got an idea. How about we let those people who like what they see have their say, and those people who dont have theirs, without insulting anyone.
If these pictures are going to be released, then people will comment. And if they release blurry shots of Dredd that dont show the uniform off particularly well, then people are going to speculate on what they cant see. And when pics of a crappy concrete wall and some doors are released, people will say that's what they are.
If it ever gets to the point where anyone is bullied into not posting their opinions, or criticism, then yes lock the thread. And the site too while you're at it.
It's not the posting of opinions that's the problem, I've stuck up for that as much as you have SBT- it's the continuous 'attack attack attack' mentality of some boarders. How can one single solitary picture provoke such depth of feeling?
It's boring.
The self-appointed experts are boring- get a life or watch some porn for a bit and have a wank or something. That picture won't look so offensive then.
Bullying?
Fuck right off.
Quoteferchrist sake- can we give the fucking thing a chance to get off the bloody ground?
Some people seem intent on totally trashing this before it's even finished filming.
D'you think it might be possible to keep an open mind?
Somebody lock this thread!
If anyone can construe any of that to be bullying, then they really deserve to be bullied mercilessly for being a dick.
Quote from: jbezzina on 25 November, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
My first comment was "OH MY GOD!!!!... I hope this is a fake!"
I may be the only one in here (have not read all the comments) but I hate it. Helm is WAY TOO BIG and uniform looks like a bikers jacket. I will not even comment on the badge and shoulder pads. I do not even like the look of Karl Urban in that shot. He does not look at all menacing.
I do not mind being proven wrong so I will wait for other images, but so far I am far from being impressed.
First post ever, eh?.... Hmmmm - am I being over-suspicious or is anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?
I'm trying not to, he just got fucked off IMDB for the same nonsense, so he probably has nowhere else to go where there's other people posting.
Quote from: strontium71 on 25 November, 2010, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: jbezzina on 25 November, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
My first comment was "OH MY GOD!!!!... I hope this is a fake!"
I may be the only one in here (have not read all the comments) but I hate it. Helm is WAY TOO BIG and uniform looks like a bikers jacket. I will not even comment on the badge and shoulder pads. I do not even like the look of Karl Urban in that shot. He does not look at all menacing.
I do not mind being proven wrong so I will wait for other images, but so far I am far from being impressed.
uh oh [ jaws theme ]
Is he back again?
I did mention this already,but no-one picked up it,ya bunch o'blind bastards :lol:
Trying to ignore it actually.
Yes another comment:
I want to say that my opting out of these threads is not because i feel bullied [not possible anyway] or that i cant speak my mind but because i dont want to read either thread because for various reasons i am tired of reading them and at times i am irritated by them as well and i have now reached saturation point.
With any other film i just switch off from it and wait till its out and rent a DVD so thats what i want to do with this film rather than getting involved in posting comments about pictures.
If anyone feels its getting out of hand now then you aint seen nothing yet as this will be nothing compared to the comments from everyone after watching the film.
I can't wait.
Bring it on.
(http://www.antekprizering.com/weirhavlin72.jpeg)
V
Pic reminds me of / or to me at least / has a Blade Runner feel to it
Quote from: Judge Olde on 25 November, 2010, 10:05:03 PM
Pic reminds me of / or to me at least / has a Blade Runner feel to it
Which one of the bare knuckle boxers is Rutger Hauer?
Quote from: M.I.K. on 25 November, 2010, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: Judge Olde on 25 November, 2010, 10:05:03 PM
Pic reminds me of / or to me at least / has a Blade Runner feel to it
Which one of the bare knuckle boxers is Rutger Hauer?
:lol: the Dredd pic, as for picking apart any pic that turns up here - a bit too tiresome for me. Ideally I'll stand back & try very hard to wait & just see the movie on release. However, after Bat-Bike - I'm looking forward to Judge-Bike. I hope they too (like Bat-Man) don't need to corner too often ::)
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 November, 2010, 09:36:14 PMIf anyone feels its getting out of hand now then you aint seen nothing yet as this will be nothing compared to the comments from everyone after watching the film.
I skipped forward in time this morning and saw the film, and I can assure you it was absolutely fan-bloody-tastic. So that's that settled then.
Wait till you see the sequel.
Quote from: Garageman on 26 November, 2010, 01:06:19 AM
Wait till you see the sequel.
Man, that was good !
I could've done without the Death and Anderson love scene though...
Eeeww....
We must have been watching a different film.
Quote from: strontium71 on 25 November, 2010, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: jbezzina on 25 November, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
My first comment was "OH MY GOD!!!!... I hope this is a fake!"
I may be the only one in here (have not read all the comments) but I hate it. Helm is WAY TOO BIG and uniform looks like a bikers jacket. I will not even comment on the badge and shoulder pads. I do not even like the look of Karl Urban in that shot. He does not look at all menacing.
I do not mind being proven wrong so I will wait for other images, but so far I am far from being impressed.
uh oh [ jaws theme ]
Is he back again?
We should also not get too paranoid either ;)
The main image is an attachment so people have to register for the board to see it, so we can assume there will be new members now and probably all the way to the launch of the film.
Rest assured we will keep an eye out but it is best not to go around pointing too many fingers as we don't want to seem like frothing loons (well... bigger frothing loons ;) ), especially when we remove offending posts and there is no context for weird rants. Feel free to report suspicious posts and we will have a look at it, but if they are too suspicious you can probably assume someone has already reported it, so use your best judgement.
NB: This is a general comment and no aimed at any specific person, I just thought I'd hang it off the end of this quote.
I saw a documentary about the making of bladerunner - the place that was seabstinas apartment block looked like a Holiday Inn foyer before they lit it and dressed it so it just goes to show what clever film makers can do.
The dead marshes scene in LOTR was filmed in a car park as well.
However I agree with the other poster who said that nothing less than a full scale entire MC1 will do.
Everybody calm down.
[spoiler]The second scene is Dredd racing through the streets and flyovers of MC1 on his Lawmaster, blasting the shit out of a car full of perps before chasing them down, on foot, through a crowded street.[/spoiler]
We are going to see a lot of Mega City 1.
Quote from: Garageman on 25 November, 2010, 09:24:59 PM
I'm trying not to, he just got fucked off IMDB for the same nonsense, so he probably has nowhere else to go where there's other people posting.
He's still active over at gallifreybase.com- and indeed has just posted his "remix" of the Minty fan trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy2kiFLtAj4
SBT
Quote from: malkymac on 26 November, 2010, 05:49:58 AMHowever I agree with the other poster who said that nothing less than a full scale entire MC1 will do.
Synecdoche, Mega-City One?
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 November, 2010, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: malkymac on 26 November, 2010, 05:49:58 AMHowever I agree with the other poster who said that nothing less than a full scale entire MC1 will do.
Synecdoche, Mega-City One?
i have no idea what that means
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383028/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383028/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche
Hmmm, pretty cool, liking the Lawgiver, was hoping for the MKI but I suppose that would look a little strange to non readers new to Dredd. Like the lack of polished bling too. Stallone was too gold and too Lycra, this actually looks like a practical armour set for policing Hell on Earth. One thing tho, the helmet needs a little re-scaling, just a touch, it looks a wee bit big on Karl, we need to see more chin!
I hope all you first time posters are actually reading 2000AD as well as following the film.
If not, GET TO YOUR THRILL MERCHANT!!! The prog has never been better!
Don't stock it in any of the news agents in my town so its Graphic novel catch up for me.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 26 November, 2010, 04:24:36 PM
Don't stock it in any of the news agents in my town so its Graphic novel catch up for me.
Ask your newsagent to get you a copy. They usually get the one ordered and another one for the shelf, so you'd be also spreading the word at the same time!
SBT
Should do i suppose,you know what its like though,finding the time .Besides ive got about 15 years catch up too get through,thrill suckers got me after the Sly attempt (sorry Tharg) but im getting stuck in to the old case files and just got me a Slaine i need to get into. I wish they would hurry up with the case files though,im just getting to where i stopped reading or round abouts.
I did like that Total War graphic nov,thats about the newest Dredd ive read,old stuff to you guys but i loved it,great art and the story telling has matured alot,not as zany as some of the old stuff.
Love it all of course though ;)
just asking can you now get,the DREDD graphic novels for ebook or any DREDD stuff :)
Quote from: Ratty on 23 November, 2010, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: George Moore on 23 November, 2010, 04:28:58 PM
Just out of morbid curiosity and the fact i've not been on here for years...who is this scojo character?
I've been on quite a few forums relating to the new Dredd movie and he seems to have an opinion on all of them!? :lol:
This is Sc*j*.
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7787/moomammoogerlighter1365x600304x500xi8.jpg)
"Classically handsome"
:cool:
I think the helmet looks alright, personally.
Scojo, I mean.....
Looks polished
Definitely has that Mark Chapman/MK Ultra look about him.
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 26 November, 2010, 06:49:34 PM
just asking can you now get,the DREDD graphic novels for ebook or any DREDD stuff :)
any chance i could have an answer cheers :(
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 26 November, 2010, 10:29:35 PM
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 26 November, 2010, 06:49:34 PM
just asking can you now get,the DREDD graphic novels for ebook or any DREDD stuff :)
any chance i could have an answer cheers :(
No idea. Tried Google?
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 26 November, 2010, 06:49:34 PM
just asking can you now get,the DREDD graphic novels for ebook or any DREDD stuff :)
Not as far as I'm aware. I tend to prefer the paper variety.
If we could get JD TPs* on Comics by ComiXology for iPhone/iPad... I would be in heaven.
*also 2000 AD. I fear rebellion is missing an opportunity to get on the mobile market and cross-promote with the Dredd movie. I thought this is what Clickwheel was suppose to do. But it doesn't.
back to business just wondering what the belt buckle will look like :think:
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 26 November, 2010, 10:29:35 PM
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 26 November, 2010, 06:49:34 PM
just asking can you now get,the DREDD graphic novels for ebook or any DREDD stuff :)
any chance i could have an answer cheers :(
Drivethrustuff (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=2560) has a few PDFs.
And will there be pouches? Where will the Lawgiver go,in the boot? Giant eagle on the bike? arghh wanna know so much
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 27 November, 2010, 11:46:02 AM
And will there be pouches? Where will the Lawgiver go,in the boot? Giant eagle on the bike? arghh wanna know so much
If the script I found is accurate, there will be pouches. The location of the holster is unclear.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 27 November, 2010, 09:08:00 AM*also 2000 AD. I fear rebellion is missing an opportunity to get on the mobile market and cross-promote with the Dredd movie. I thought this is what Clickwheel was suppose to do. But it doesn't.
Clickwheel is, frankly, a total heap of shit compared to the Comics app. The latter is flawless in use and universal. Clickwheel is iPhone-only and was last updated over two years ago (and it was buggy in the first place, let alone now).
I've heard from a couple of publishers now that Comixology's cut isn't insubstantial, so perhaps that's what's stopping Rebellion from signing on the dotted line. However, I agree that an opportunity's being missed, not only in republishing 2000 AD, the Meg and trades, but also in the potential to offer one-shot digital-only mini-trades to a worldwide market for relatively little effort.
The absurd thing is that I have a bunch of 2000 AD stuff on my iPad, in naughty CBR versions. (And, Mr Lawyer, I have the originals on my bookshelf.) But had digital versions been available in Comics for some choice cuts, and for reasonable prices (unlike a lot of digital trades, which cost more than the books on Amazon), I'd have rebought some.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 27 November, 2010, 11:46:02 AM
And will there be pouches? Where will the Lawgiver go,in the boot? Giant eagle on the bike? arghh wanna know so much
yes we need a full frontal :lol:
A nice big clear photo of Dredd sat on the bike big enough for a decent laptop wallpaper and i will sit down and shut up untill the trailer comes out :D
just a thought..i have them sometimes...what is rebellion's take on the uniform? surely they had some say as to any changes to the "look".
is this a definitive officially official look at the dredd uniform? it seems odd they'd release it so far off the release of the actual movie.
Looks bloody cool ;). My missus says his chins not big enough. Why are women so obsessed with size..... :lol:
i want to see the bottom half ooh misses :lol:
I want to see the huge throbbing beast that sits betwix Dredds legs,wonder whay size engine she has,and the pipes,loud thunderous pipes. :o
dude get a room! :-[
Quote from: mogzilla on 27 November, 2010, 08:00:56 PM
dude get a room! :-[
Are you offering him an invitation?
Dinner first or no sale.
2000AD forum, bringing people together for over a decade.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 27 November, 2010, 08:08:09 PM
Dinner first or no sale.
as long its the earse a stag that will do me :lol:
Quote from: mogzilla on 27 November, 2010, 07:10:36 PM
just a thought..i have them sometimes...what is rebellion's take on the uniform? surely they had some say as to any changes to the "look".
"Did the cheque clear? Yes? We love it!" :D
A few non-scrots at work have asked if i've seen this picture yet.
The first thing they all say is "the helmets too big"!
Just saying.... :-\
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 27 November, 2010, 08:08:09 PM
Dinner first or no sale.
i can probably stretch to a big mac ;)
Quote from: mogzilla on 28 November, 2010, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 27 November, 2010, 08:08:09 PM
Dinner first or no sale.
i can probably stretch to a big mac ;)
I'm cheap,bag of chips and a bus shelter are all i need, anyway moving on before Judge Gwok turns up...
We'd all better close our traps or Leigh Gallagher is likely to turn up in stilettos again.
Hmm green gloves DO work.
Hello again, Scott. Are you staying long this time?
That's just vindictive.
Vindictive. You. Vindictive. Nothing to do with mental illness. Just a mean-ness,a schaden-freude. Horrible people always are horrible people. Mentally ill people know between right and wrong.
I'm assuming you know who has been back. I know we're all supposed to ignore him and hope he goes away for good, but I'm seriously wondering how bad it needs to get before Rebellion/DNA/Whoever would actually consider getting the guy done for damages or something. I mean if every online presence of the movie is going to be hijacked by him (he's pretty much destroyed the imdb page) then surely he's got the potential to genuinely damage to the movie's prospects. If you went around the world defacing every single poster for an upcoming film I'm sure the studio would get you done for it, I don't see this as much different.
What did he do now?
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 29 November, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
I'm assuming you know who has been back. I know we're all supposed to ignore him and hope he goes away for good, but I'm seriously wondering how bad it needs to get before Rebellion/DNA/Whoever would actually consider getting the guy done for damages or something. I mean if every online presence of the movie is going to be hijacked by him (he's pretty much destroyed the imdb page) then surely he's got the potential to genuinely damage to the movie's prospects. If you went around the world defacing every single poster for an upcoming film I'm sure the studio would get you done for it, I don't see this as much different.
I've read through this thread but it appears that comments are removed before I see them. Then it's hard to work out what the reaction is about. I get the impression that there are quite a few people here who simply won't have a 'negative' comment said about their 'Dredd'. What's all this about? Seems like a dissenting viewpoint is not appreciated. 2000AD fueled my bleak outlook on life, but it looks like it has had the opposite effect with others. A lot of members of this forum are just so damned positive! When I read these threads and find comments from members like Peter Wolf saying: "What an absolute pile of third rate Cack", I find that actually quite refreshing (and humorous) :lol:! But even he has resorted to self censorship in this arena of blind optimism.
To me a character who goes around damaging every single poster for an upcoming film is a brilliant idea! What a perfect anti-hero! Sounds like another Chopper to me. If he were a character in the progs, you'd all be cheering for him! Let's take off the over-sized helmet, the under-sized shoulder pad, and the chain-less badge and stop acting like Judges!
Quote from: minus on 29 November, 2010, 01:52:29 PM
Sounds like another Chopper to me. If he were a character in the progs, you'd all be cheering for him! Let's take off the over-sized helmet, the under-sized shoulder pad, and the chain-less badge and stop acting like Judges!
I'd have shot Chopper on sight, the perp!
I mean that as well....
Quote from: minus on 29 November, 2010, 01:52:29 PM
I get the impression that there are quite a few people here who simply won't have a 'negative' comment said about their 'Dredd'. What's all this about? Seems like a dissenting viewpoint is not appreciated.
I can see how you might form that impression, but that's completely not the case.
Criticism of Dredd (and all things 2000AD) is just as robust here as wildly enthusiastic praise when when it's warranted - sometimes more so. The posts here refer to a specific disruptive individual (probably with genuine mental health issues) who has brought nothing but anger and discord to this site and others for a decade now - I could link you to a dozen threads setting all this out in detail, but just log on to the howling wasteland of alt.comics.2000AD and see what this particular troll does to a once-thriving fan community.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vindictive (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vindictive)
Quote from: TordelBack on 29 November, 2010, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: minus on 29 November, 2010, 01:52:29 PM
I get the impression that there are quite a few people here who simply won't have a 'negative' comment said about their 'Dredd'. What's all this about? Seems like a dissenting viewpoint is not appreciated.
I can see how you might form that impression, but that's completely not the case.
Criticism of Dredd (and all things 2000AD) is just as robust here as wildly enthusiastic praise when when it's warranted - sometimes more so. The posts here refer to a specific disruptive individual (probably with genuine mental health issues) who has brought nothing but anger and discord to this site and others for a decade now - I could link you to a dozen threads setting all this out in detail, but just log on to the howling wasteland of alt.comics.2000AD and see what this particular troll does to a once-thriving fan community.
Quote from: minus on 29 November, 2010, 01:52:29 PM
I get the impression that there are quite a few people here who simply won't have a 'negative' comment said about their 'Dredd'. What's all this about? Seems like a dissenting viewpoint is not appreciated.
You've got it in a nutshell, but you're aim is off. This guy, is the one who attacks everything officially Dredd because is doesn't confer with his idea of Dredd. Like the perfect experiment of a super fan... gone terribly wrong.
BTw, I'm fine with his dissension. I felt the pictures could stay up, I didn't report him, I just wanted to have the freedom of dissenting on his dissension. Free country, innit? :|
Give him and inch, he'll take a mile.
'nuff said.
Quote from: minus on 29 November, 2010, 01:52:29 PMI've read through this thread but it appears that comments are removed before I see them. Then it's hard to work out what the reaction is about. I get the impression that there are quite a few people here who simply won't have a 'negative' comment said about their 'Dredd'. What's all this about? Seems like a dissenting viewpoint is not appreciated. 2000AD fueled my bleak outlook on life, but it looks like it has had the opposite effect with others. A lot of members of this forum are just so damned positive! When I read these threads and find comments from members like Peter Wolf saying: "What an absolute pile of third rate Cack", I find that actually quite refreshing (and humorous) :lol:! But even he has resorted to self censorship in this arena of blind optimism.
To me a character who goes around damaging every single poster for an upcoming film is a brilliant idea! What a perfect anti-hero! Sounds like another Chopper to me. If he were a character in the progs, you'd all be cheering for him! Let's take off the over-sized helmet, the under-sized shoulder pad, and the chain-less badge and stop acting like Judges!
I've no problem with dissenting opinions, but I'm aware the person whose comments have been removed could be described as more akin to a natural disaster in human form than a dissenting voice. He certainly "rocks the boat" - in a fashion similar to a major earthquake or a tsunami.
As for a bleak outlook, my experience here on the 2000AD boards is that folks here are as cynical as the next guy. However, when it comes to what we've seen of the new Dredd movie so far, I think it's true to say that most of us simply genuinely like what we see. Seeing what they've done with the uniform, it looks to me to have been done with genuine respect for the strip and the character, and just as importantly, with genuine
thought as to who the character is, what he does and what he has to face on the streets every day.
The 1995 Stallone costume might have been closer in many respects to the comic book version, but I think the new version is going to look better on screen. Realistically, no actor or even stunt man is going to be able to have unrestricted movement with a giant metal eagle on his shoulder - it's no accident that Stallone didn't get involved in any real physical 'action' until after he'd taken the uniform off!
A uniform that allows the actors unrestricted physical movement will enable us to see Dredd and fellow Judge(s) do great action scenes, an I'd far rather have that than a slavish reproduction of the uniform any day. Imagine trying to pull a manoeuvre like a dive and roll for cover with that eagle on your shoulder... this would quickly end with something similar to "CLUNK!... OUCH!" at best. Making it look graceful or even believable on screen would be a nightmare.
As for comments about the sets looking like a "pile of third rate Cack", no offence to Peter who is not expected to be any kind of expert, but that just shows an ignorance of the film-making process. A public building like the Cape Town Civic Centre is in constant use, and so can only be very partially set dressed at any given time other than when filming is actually in progress at that location. The set dressing which is there right now is quite literally only to save some time building and dismantling stuff each day when the filming actually happens later on.
Not only that, but the transformation on film will almost certainly be far more profound than the mere physical transformation which takes place on the site even it its entirety. You just need to see a handful of 'raw' movie sets compared to the final results on screen to appreciate that the final product is not going to look anything like these photos. Movie sets almost always look crappy when photographed out of context.
And here's the crux of it, for me at least: A lot of people who are just as passionate about Dredd as the people on this board have put a lot of time and effort into realising this screen version. I genuinely believe they're doing their best and doing it with the best of intentions. I'm not about to sit here and bash their efforts unless I see something genuinely worthy of my contempt. So far that hasn't happened. This isn't blind optimism. A lot of folks here have been following the film's production as closely as possible from the start and have learned a lot about it in the process - our optimism is very much from an eyes-
open viewpoint, thanks very much.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 29 November, 2010, 04:33:30 PM
I've no problem with dissenting opinions, but I'm aware the person whose comments have been removed could be described as more akin to a natural disaster in human form than a dissenting voice. He certainly "rocks the boat" - in a fashion similar to a major earthquake or a tsunami.
As for a bleak outlook, my experience here on the 2000AD boards is that folks here are as cynical as the next guy. However, when it comes to what we've seen of the new Dredd movie so far, I think it's true to say that most of us simply genuinely like what we see. Seeing what they've done with the uniform, it looks to me to have been done with genuine respect for the strip and the character, and just as importantly, with genuine thought as to who the character is, what he does and what he has to face on the streets every day.
The 1995 Stallone costume might have been closer in many respects to the comic book version, but I think the new version is going to look better on screen. Realistically, no actor or even stunt man is going to be able to have unrestricted movement with a giant metal eagle on his shoulder - it's no accident that Stallone didn't get involved in any real physical 'action' until after he'd taken the uniform off!
A uniform that allows the actors unrestricted physical movement will enable us to see Dredd and fellow Judge(s) do great action scenes, an I'd far rather have that than a slavish reproduction of the uniform any day. Imagine trying to pull a manoeuvre like a dive and roll for cover with that eagle on your shoulder... this would quickly end with something similar to "CLUNK!... OUCH!" at best. Making it look graceful or even believable on screen would be a nightmare.
As for comments about the sets looking like a "pile of third rate Cack", no offence to Peter who is not expected to be any kind of expert, but that just shows an ignorance of the film-making process. A public building like the Cape Town Civic Centre is in constant use, and so can only be very partially set dressed at any given time other than when filming is actually in progress at that location. The set dressing which is there right now is quite literally only to save some time building and dismantling stuff each day when the filming actually happens later on.
Not only that, but the transformation on film will almost certainly be far more profound than the mere physical transformation which takes place on the site even it its entirety. You just need to see a handful of 'raw' movie sets compared to the final results on screen to appreciate that the final product is not going to look anything like these photos. Movie sets almost always look crappy when photographed out of context.
And here's the crux of it, for me at least: A lot of people who are just as passionate about Dredd as the people on this board have put a lot of time and effort into realising this screen version. I genuinely believe they're doing their best and doing it with the best of intentions. I'm not about to sit here and bash their efforts unless I see something genuinely worthy of my contempt. So far that hasn't happened. This isn't blind optimism. A lot of folks here have been following the film's production as closely as possible from the start and have learned a lot about it in the process - our optimism is very much from an eyes-open[\i] viewpoint, thanks very much.
Nice post well put ;)
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 29 November, 2010, 04:33:30 PM
A uniform that allows the actors unrestricted physical movement will enable us to see Dredd and fellow Judge(s) do great action scenes, an I'd far rather have that than a slavish reproduction of the uniform any day. Imagine trying to pull a manoeuvre like a dive and roll for cover with that eagle on your shoulder... this would quickly end with something similar to "CLUNK!... OUCH!" at best. Making it look graceful or even believable on screen would be a nightmare.
Have to disagree with you there, having worn body armour and being kitted up to the max while assaulting ships and oil rigs via fast roping, I can tell you that 'graceful' is not a word I would use (you wear a pair of fast roping gloves over your assault gloves and you have to take those off asp). All this diving and rolling about is a load of bollocks, especially when implementing fire and manouvre skills, I could go on.......
By the way, I am happy with the uniform that we have seen up to now, before you think I am having a go at the films production.
If you want realism then you have to get rid of the helmet, have you tried looking out of one of those, I could see better angles through my respirator. There's the first unreal item! As for the body armour, it's restrictive up to a point but adrenaline can overcome that. When you wear this sort of get up, it helps you feel the part especially knowing you are wearing the best kit for the job, it gives you that edge! I could go on but like I said I am happy with what I've seen.
As for the
slavish reproduction of the uniform, I have to say that wearing the Judge Minty uniform in Wales was piss easy and not at all restrictive. Again I'm not saying that this has to be used, I'm just saying I found it very light and easy to wear compared to the gear I wore whilst doing my sneaky beaky stuff.
Let me say once again
I am happy with the pic that I have seen!
Quote from: Woolly on 28 November, 2010, 11:06:40 AM
A few non-scrots at work have asked if i've seen this picture yet.
The first thing they all say is "the helmets too big"!
Just saying.... :-\
Should add to this, personally i'm happy enough with the results so far.
I'm just worried that people who dont know Dredd in the slightest are already getting a bad first impression of the movie from that photo.
I'm probably over reacting, but maybe we should all be trying to be as positive as possible considering this very website may be the first introduction to Dredd and indeed 2000AD for alot of punters. Daft as it sounds, our comments could taint alot of peoples initial thoughts towards this movie.
Like i say, probably a massive over reaction, but definately food for thought.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 29 November, 2010, 05:47:37 PMHave to disagree with you there, having worn body armour and being kitted up to the max while assaulting ships and oil rigs via fast roping, I can tell you that 'graceful' is not a word I would use (you wear a pair of fast roping gloves over your assault gloves and you have to take those off asp). All this diving and rolling about is a load of bollocks, especially when implementing fire and manouvre skills, I could go on.......
By the way, I am happy with the uniform that we have seen up to now, before you think I am having a go at the films production.
If you want realism then you have to get rid of the helmet, have you tried looking out of one of those, I could see better angles through my respirator. There's the first unreal item! As for the body armour, it's restrictive up to a point but adrenaline can overcome that. When you wear this sort of get up, it helps you feel the part especially knowing you are wearing the best kit for the job, it gives you that edge! I could go on but like I said I am happy with what I've seen.
As for the slavish reproduction of the uniform, I have to say that wearing the Judge Minty uniform in Wales was piss easy and not at all restrictive. Again I'm not saying that this has to be used, I'm just saying I found it very light and easy to wear compared to the gear I wore whilst doing my sneaky beaky stuff.
Let me say once again I am happy with the pic that I have seen!
Naturally I bow to your greater experience in this issue. However, unrealistic as all the diving and rolling stuff might be, it's the kind of thing people like to see in action movies... right along with the equally unrealistic 'graceful' bit.
Highly realistic tactics and manoeuvres whilst they require a great deal of skill and training, probably aren't going to be accurately represented in mainstream action movies any time soon. As 'gritty and realistic' as the film-makers claim Dredd is going to be, it's still going to be aiming for a mainstream action movie audience.
Spoiler alert: [spoiler]With the 'slow-mo' sequences included in the script, we could well be looking at something closer to 'The Matrix' trilogy than realistic action - though obviously not quite as extreme as that particular series of films - it's still set in something approximating the real world.[/spoiler]
Sod the Matrix,i want a one man Black Hawk Down in a block of flats.
Quote from: Garageman on 29 November, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
Give him and inch, he'll take a mile.
'nuff said.
Agreed. This idiot is just out to cause chaos and has no consideration for others.
V
I feel almost insulted that he hasn't posted anything on www.strontiumdog.com (http://www.strontiumdog.com) ... :lol:
OT: Does anyone know when the next volume of Anderson: PSI Files is coming out ?
Quote from: doggettX on 29 November, 2010, 11:23:10 PM
OT: Does anyone know when the next volume of Anderson: PSI Files is coming out ?
No idea. You could take someone's eye out with wild topic swings like that.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 30 November, 2010, 03:59:47 AM
Quote from: doggettX on 29 November, 2010, 11:23:10 PM
OT: Does anyone know when the next volume of Anderson: PSI Files is coming out ?
No idea. You could take someone's eye out with wild topic swings like that.
Well, it makes a change from a certain troll talk...
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 29 November, 2010, 07:34:50 PM
Sod the Matrix,i want a one man Black Hawk Down in a block of flats.
I'm up for this :thumbsup:
For those who are critising those leaked on set pics.
One word: CGI.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 30 November, 2010, 01:18:34 PM
For those who are critising those leaked on set pics.
One word: CGI.
That's 3 words ::)
Quote from: James Stacey on 30 November, 2010, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 30 November, 2010, 01:18:34 PM
For those who are critising those leaked on set pics.
One word: CGI.
That's 3 words ::)
It's probably an acronym too. But hey ho! :D
Yay!!!!! How exciting! It's happening!
I think the leathers look a little bulky, unwieldy and too layered, not sure a thinner material would work better - he'll look like a Michelin Man if he has to run.
And yes, the helmet is quite obviously too big - you could stick your fist between Urban's chin and the helmet - but then, I didn't much like Brendan's Wok-helmet in the comic. But the look of it is ace, and I like the signs of wear and tear (if I'm not imagining them).
Not that bothered about a "full eagle".
Scowl is good. Gun is good.
Overall: pretty happy with that.
But it's the story and script we need to get right. Uniform arguments are fun, but it won't sink the movie, or make it a success.
I ain't too bovvered about the set pics,I'm willing to hold fire until I see the finished film. I'm sure they'll be spruced up a bit in post-production.
In other news, You-Know-Who seems to be pursuing a vendetta against George Moore on the alt.comics.2000ad board, http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/bf375cec7f0e77b1#.
The advice from Gremlins works, with modifications: Don't feed the troll.* Whether you get him wet or not is your own business.
* No I don't think he'd shrivel up and disappear when starved of the oxygen of "publicity" but it is worth a shot ;)
Quote from: The Big Man on 30 November, 2010, 04:14:07 PMIn other news, You-Know-Who seems to be pursuing a vendetta against George Moore on the alt.comics.2000ad board, http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/bf375cec7f0e77b1#.
For my sins I had a look at that link. There seem to be very few threads that aren't started by him and many of them consist of post after post by him, quoting and responding to his own post. It's like some kind of surreal monologue. These are not the actions of a normal person.
Also, he's quoting some of my posts and attributing them to George Moore. I'm guessing he's so obsessed with this stuff he doesn't even have room left in what passes for a mind to distinguish between different posters. In any case, I'm not rising to the bait by responding to his posts on this board or anywhere else.
Can uh, can we just get over it and start a thread dedicated to Scojo? It would draw all this scab-picking nonsense off this topic - which would be the first port of call for newbies who definitely shouldn't be seeing all this bitterness.
In all seriousness - start a "Slagging of Scojo" thread - it would do you all the world of good because we wouldn't keep having to get tangled up in it.
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 30 November, 2010, 05:51:37 PM
Can uh, can we just get over it and start a thread dedicated to Scojo? It would draw all this scab-picking nonsense off this topic - which would be the first port of call for newbies who definitely shouldn't be seeing all this bitterness.
In all seriousness - start a "Slagging of Scojo" thread - it would do you all the world of good because we wouldn't keep having to get tangled up in it.
Unfortunately newbies are going to get exposed to bits and pieces of this regardless, because he keeps turning up under different names and some people are going to respond to the posts no matter what. In some cases newbies will respond themselves because they won't know not to, for a start. Given that's the case it's better they understand just how extreme the guy is than think he's just getting his posts deleted out of some kind of vindictiveness. Sweeping it all under the carpet is just going to confuse all hell out of the newbies and make us look worse I'm afraid.
(Relative to scojo's history on this board and elsewhere I'm practically a newbie myself. Didn't take me long to piece the story together, and I for one am sure it was better that way).
agreed,newbies also get suspected of being him and it does get a wee bit confuzzing for them as a can relate to when i first joined the board and thought i was getting accused of being him....no......it.
back on topic. any more leaked piccies on t'horizon?
How long do we have to wait for an Anderson pic?
She better be blonde...
Well I noticed that the prop makers were talking about "Chopping fibreglass on those things fairings.. I hate fibreglass.. Hard work's done though."
Maybe the lawmaster?
Clutching at straws trying to steer the thread back on topic...
I'm actually more excited about getting a look at Anderson than I'd be comfortable admitting.
I wonder what her chest armour will be like? ;) Where will they put that badge?
Will her helmet be too big... :-[... I'll get me coat...
Quote from: Steve Green on 30 November, 2010, 08:18:02 PM
Well I noticed that the prop makers were talking about "Chopping fibreglass on those things fairings.. I hate fibreglass.. Hard work's done though."
Maybe the lawmaster?
Maybe. They were filming a vehicle chase the other day at 80kph. That's all I know.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 30 November, 2010, 09:15:55 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 30 November, 2010, 08:18:02 PM
Well I noticed that the prop makers were talking about "Chopping fibreglass on those things fairings.. I hate fibreglass.. Hard work's done though."
Maybe the lawmaster?
Maybe. They were filming a vehicle chase the other day at 80kph. That's all I know.
I asked on Facebook if it was the Lawmaster they were working on. The answer I got was "Well...".
I think that's a yes. I took the opportunity to pump (fnaar fnaar) him for some more details about Dredd's uniform. No response yet.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 30 November, 2010, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: The Big Man on 30 November, 2010, 04:14:07 PMIn other news, You-Know-Who seems to be pursuing a vendetta against George Moore on the alt.comics.2000ad board, http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/bf375cec7f0e77b1#.
For my sins I had a look at that link. There seem to be very few threads that aren't started by him and many of them consist of post after post by him, quoting and responding to his own post. It's like some kind of surreal monologue. These are not the actions of a normal person.
Also, he's quoting some of my posts and attributing them to George Moore. I'm guessing he's so obsessed with this stuff he doesn't even have room left in what passes for a mind to distinguish between different posters. In any case, I'm not rising to the bait by responding to his posts on this board or anywhere else.
Unbelievable..non of the quotes he used are me hahaha!!
Again, as a *relative* newcomer to this board, I'm only vaguely aware of his work, but even a cursory glance at that thread is enough to diagnose scojo as mentally ill.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 30 November, 2010, 09:04:41 PM
I wonder what her chest armour will be like? ;) Where will they put that badge?
Will her helmet be too big... :-[... I'll get me coat...
Will her judge boots have high heels ? :)
That was always one of those things that made me go "WHAT?" Anyone drawing female judges like that clearly might have been a good artist but wasn't remotely a designer (or someone who understands the fundamentals of practical working uniforms).
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 December, 2010, 12:11:31 PM
That was always one of those things that made me go "WHAT?" Anyone drawing female judges like that clearly might have been a good artist but wasn't remotely a designer (or someone who understands the fundamentals of practical working uniforms).
That was a question I raised with Thargy way back when Anderson was in Boing! and Bolland was drawing her in heels,
(where is Buttonman? he could supply the letter and Prog number I'm sure :D)
QuoteIn other news, You-Know-Who seems to be pursuing a vendetta against George Moore on the alt.comics.2000ad board, http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/bf375cec7f0e77b1#.
QuoteFor my sins I had a look at that link. There seem to be very few threads that aren't started by him and many of them consist of post after post by him, quoting and responding to his own post. It's like some kind of surreal monologue. These are not the actions of a normal person.
Especially when he completely ignores that ad^ult girl there ready to fu^ck for free.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 01 December, 2010, 12:28:15 PM
That was a question I raised with Thargy way back when Anderson was in Boing! and Bolland was drawing her in heels,
(where is Buttonman? he could supply the letter and Prog number I'm sure :D)
What was Tharg's reply? (For us who don't have that prog, like.)
He asked if my interest was anything to do with my name? and that was it. The name is Proudfoot hence the 'joke' ::)
Quote from: Proudhuff on 01 December, 2010, 01:52:08 PM
He asked if my interest was anything to do with my name? and that was it. The name is Proudfoot hence the 'joke' ::)
Ah well... I guess he's an alien editor supermind, not a comedian. :D
I don't know about that... he commissioned Space Girls for starters...
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 December, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
Will her judge boots have high heels ? :)
If I confess that I actually quite like the look of those heeled Judge boots, will that confirm me as having a serious and unhealthy fixation with female Judge uniforms?
I mean, would it just be me?
Am I the only person here who had a very palpable crush on Judge Anderson back in the day?
Do I need help?
Will somebody hold me?
Please? ;)
If anybody is interested, I asked the VFX guy on Facebook; "Does Dredd's right shoulder pad have an 'eagley' vibe to it? It's the kind of thing I worry about."
He replied; "Oh, you needn't worry :)"
So, there's an eagle of some sort on there. He also said the Lawmasters are finished and on their way to the location tomorrow. Exciting!
When did I become such a nerd?
Quote from: HdE on 01 December, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 December, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
Will her judge boots have high heels ? :)
If I confess that I actually quite like the look of those heeled Judge boots, will that confirm me as having a serious and unhealthy fixation with female Judge uniforms?
I mean, would it just be me?
Am I the only person here who had a very palpable crush on Judge Anderson back in the day?
Do I need help?
Will somebody hold me?
Please? ;)
Calm down, you are not alone.
Quote from: Ratty on 01 December, 2010, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: HdE on 01 December, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 December, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
Will her judge boots have high heels ? :)
If I confess that I actually quite like the look of those heeled Judge boots, will that confirm me as having a serious and unhealthy fixation with female Judge uniforms?
I mean, would it just be me?
Am I the only person here who had a very palpable crush on Judge Anderson back in the day?
Do I need help?
Will somebody hold me?
Please? ;)
Calm down, you are not alone.
Yeah,just pull up a chair and welcome to the club,biscuits are over there
Quote from: Lee Bates on 01 December, 2010, 10:01:53 PM
If anybody is interested, I asked the VFX guy on Facebook; "Does Dredd's right shoulder pad have an 'eagley' vibe to it? It's the kind of thing I worry about."
He replied; "Oh, you needn't worry :)"
So, there's an eagle of some sort on there. He also said the Lawmasters are finished and on their way to the location tomorrow. Exciting!
When did I become such a nerd?
Phew.
And nowt wrong with being a nerd,just don't tell the gurlz :-X
Quote from: Lee Bates on 01 December, 2010, 10:01:53 PM
He also said the Lawmasters are finished and on their way to the location tomorrow. Exciting!
Hope they have a snowplough on the front!
If one inscribed the eagle-pad's wing on the right breast of the protective vest, its head and body on the shoulder-pad and vac-metal plated it, it would look pretty good.
If you look at the photo, you can just about see the eagle's claws on the right pad.
Anyone know besides Jock who the concept artists for the film are?
Might give us a bit of an idea what the Lawmasters etc might look like.
I was marvelling at ukitakumuki's work for the Front Mission video game on DeviantArt. Very good Mecha stuff and was wondering who else from either 2000A.D or Rebellions artists might be providing concepts for Dredd?
If it's a secret then that's ok ! :geek:
Quote from: Noisybast on 02 December, 2010, 12:47:17 PM
If you look at the photo, you can just about see the eagle's claws on the right pad.
Yes, there's something going on over by the lawgiver:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h308/mdg1024/Beware%20Of%20Geek/post/dredd-eagle.jpg)
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 02 December, 2010, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: Noisybast on 02 December, 2010, 12:47:17 PM
If you look at the photo, you can just about see the eagle's claws on the right pad.
Yes, there's something going on over by the lawgiver:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h308/mdg1024/Beware%20Of%20Geek/post/dredd-eagle.jpg)
I'm pretty sure that's just creases in the underarm area. If not, it looks more like a tortoises foot.
I reckon there'll be an eagle embossed plate riveted onto the shoulder pad.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 02 December, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 02 December, 2010, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: Noisybast on 02 December, 2010, 12:47:17 PM
If you look at the photo, you can just about see the eagle's claws on the right pad.
Yes, there's something going on over by the lawgiver:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h308/mdg1024/Beware%20Of%20Geek/post/dredd-eagle.jpg)
I'm pretty sure that's just creases in the underarm area. If not, it looks more like a tortoises foot.
I reckon there'll be an eagle embossed plate riveted onto the shoulder pad.
We'll be seeing yetis next...
yes I saw that too, didn't want to say
I want to know if he is wearing stripey socks.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 02 December, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
I'm pretty sure that's just creases in the underarm area.
Agreed
Quote from: Lee Bates on 02 December, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
I'm pretty sure that's just creases in the underarm area.
That's be daft - he was in
Savage, not
Dredd.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 December, 2010, 06:40:48 AM
And nowt wrong with being a nerd,just don't tell the gurlz :-X
There are no nerds. Only specialists.
Quote from: HdE on 02 December, 2010, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 December, 2010, 06:40:48 AM
And nowt wrong with being a nerd,just don't tell the gurlz :-X
There are no nerds. Only specialists.
I like it ;)
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 December, 2010, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 02 December, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
I'm pretty sure that's just creases in the underarm area.
That's be daft - he was in Savage, not Dredd.
Wa wa wa waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Quote from: HdE on 02 December, 2010, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 December, 2010, 06:40:48 AM
And nowt wrong with being a nerd,just don't tell the gurlz :-X
There are no nerds. Only specialists.
Specialization is for insects.
Creases me arse. Them's claws, I tell you!
Straps holding the pads in place?
Quote from: Emperor on 02 December, 2010, 06:19:22 PMSpecialization is for insects.
Insect specialization is for entomologists.
Think we'll see action figures for this movie?
I'm hoping for ''comic based'' figures myself.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 02 December, 2010, 11:11:48 PM
Think we'll see action figures for this movie?
I'm hoping for ''comic based'' figures myself.
I'm hoping for a Hot Toys version of Dredd and co.
what i want is a Dredd version of the dashboard buddies...you know the thing,you break and it qotes a line.Got a Vader one but i reckon a Dredd one would sell....well we'd all have one for a start eh?
Quote from: Lee Bates on 02 December, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h308/mdg1024/Beware%20Of%20Geek/post/dredd-eagle.jpg)
I'm pretty sure that's just creases in the underarm area. If not, it looks more like a tortoises foot.
I reckon there'll be an eagle embossed plate riveted onto the shoulder pad.
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I'm not so sure. There us some banding at the apex of the triangle that could be feathers.
Unfortunately, I can't find a good high-res pic to be sure, and zooming just makes it fuzzier.
We've discussed helmet size, we've looked in great detail at Urban's lack of chin, we've dissected badge designs, and now it's creases in the underarm leather.
Please God, let there be another picture soon... please...
Five shiny pounds* to the first person to find an image of Christ in that picture!
(*NOT REALLY)
Quote from: pauljholden on 03 December, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Five shiny pounds* to the first person to find an image of Christ in that picture!
(*NOT REALLY)
If Karl Urban lets that stubble grow much longer, he'll start to look like blimmin' Christ!!!111
And if that's an eagle's foot, I'll eat my hat, your hat and any other hat within walking distance of my house, in a massive 'hat-pie'. With a giant hat for the crust.
After 44 pages of this, I'm starting to wonder if there's call/need for an ignore thread function...
Quote from: KevLev on 03 December, 2010, 11:26:33 AM
After 44 pages of this, I'm starting to wonder if there's call/need for an ignore thread function...
That function is supposed to be built into your brain... though I understand some people have difficulty finding the correct button to click.
Listen up all you miserable sods who come in here moaning that they wish people would stop talking about the film -
I'm going to follow you to your local pub and just keep coming over every so often and sitting at your table to loudly complain that you and your friends shouldn't be talking about whatever it is you're talking about, before walking off.
See how you like that.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 03 December, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
Listen up all you miserable sods who come in here moaning that they wish people would stop talking about the film -
I'm going to follow you to your local pub and just keep coming over every so often and sitting at your table to loudly complain that you and your friends shouldn't be talking about whatever it is you're talking about, before walking off.
See how you like that.
You tell 'em!
It only happens on very rare occasions - perhaps once in every two or three years or so - that I genuinely wish I had thought of something first. This is one of these times.
What he said^
Thats what the internet is for,porn and talking bollocks on forums.
Quote from: KevLev on 03 December, 2010, 11:26:33 AM
After 44 pages of this, I'm starting to wonder if there's call/need for an ignore thread function...
This reminds of those people who look up a video on youtube that they don't like, tell everyone they don't like it and then click the dislike button.
::)
Looks like I'll be watching this thread for a bit then...try and keep this less personal and more on topic please - I don't want to have to lock it ladies and gents! ;)
Quote from: pauljholden on 03 December, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Five shiny pounds* to the first person to find an image of Christ in that picture!
Next to the Yeti?
I wonder if the cadet helmets will be white? always thought that looked cool and i missed it from the Sly flick.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 03 December, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
Listen up all you miserable sods who come in here moaning that they wish people would stop talking about the film -
I'm going to follow you to your local pub and just keep coming over every so often and sitting at your table to loudly complain that you and your friends shouldn't be talking about whatever it is you're talking about, before walking off.
See how you like that.
We can go outside if you want to make something of it.
Wheres the pool cue ??
Anyway i am not supposed to be here posting comments so dont tell anyone else i said that.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 03 December, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
I wonder if the cadet helmets will be white? always thought that looked cool and i missed it from the Sly flick.
Cassanda doesn't wear a helmet...
So we'll never know. Just one of life's many mysteries...
Mind the spoilers, Doggett. Some people have decided not to read the script.
she must have tried one on at some point as a cadet :wave:
Quote from: doggettX on 03 December, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 03 December, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
I wonder if the cadet helmets will be white? always thought that looked cool and i missed it from the Sly flick.
Cassanda doesn't wear a helmet...
So we'll never know. Just one of life's many mysteries...
Is that a spoiler or just adhering to canon?
Yeah, if Anderson not wearing a helmet is a spoiler then so is the photograph that this thread is discussing! (Or was there more that was edited in the mean-time? If so forget my comment.)
Anyway, I just noticed some interesting news in the Production thread (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,28503.msg565645.html#msg565645) posted by Weehawk, just in case people are avoiding it due to it's deviation from the original material.
I think it's only natural that people wish to speculate on the new Dredd film.
After all I assume the majority of posters on here are hoping the film's a major success, so we can expect multiple sequels.
I'd be more worried if people weren't commenting on it really, at least all the buzz proves there's an interest in the production.
Still, back on topic- That Kapow Comic Con has just looked a whole lot more exciting! :thumbsup:
Fare point, but I was actually referring to [spoiler]Anderson being a cadet in it[/spoiler]. I do think nearly everyone has giving into temptation and read the script at this stage, so it really doesn't matter. Now where did that Yeti go?
Quote from: Gavin_Leahy on 03 December, 2010, 07:41:57 PM
Fare point, but I was actually referring to [spoiler]Anderson being a cadet in it[/spoiler]. I do think nearly everyone has giving into temptation and read the script at this stage, so it really doesn't matter. Now where did that Yeti go?
No I fucking haven't but thanks for that. Maybe I can return the favour one day?
If a moderator can put a spoiler box over that it would be greatly appreciated.
Amazing as it may seem, I HAVE NOT NOT READ OR EVEN SEARCHED FOR THE SCRIPT, which means I dare not look back through this thread in case I see anything plot wise now ::)
Quote from: Gavin_Leahy on 03 December, 2010, 08:02:04 PM
If a moderator can put a spoiler box over that it would be greatly appreciated.
Done!
Guys, be careful not to reveal
anything about the movie unless you're certain it's common knowledge!
-- Mike
Thanks, Mike.
there.s no cadet helmet,s in this movie :lol:joking
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 03 December, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
Amazing as it may seem, I HAVE NOT NOT READ OR EVEN SEARCHED FOR THE SCRIPT, which means I dare not look back through this thread in case I see anything plot wise now ::)
Me neither, and I can't think for the life of me why anyone would read it. This has always bothered me about sci-fi a bit, people seem to crave as much info as they can before they actually see something, and then if anyone cries spoiler it's suddenly the spoilees fault for not knowing in the first place. Whenever I see a sci-fi mag with the cover line "[Insert Your Favorite Show Here]: All the secrets of the next season!!!" I just think "Um....no thanks".
I hope the threat to lock the thread wasn't as a result of my obviously jokey comment.
I didn't mean to cause any offence.
It may seem inane to some people that tiny details are being debated but nobody is getting hurt are they?
Let's all stay friendly.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 03 December, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
I hope the threat to lock the thread wasn't as a result of my obviously jokey comment.
I didn't mean to cause any offence.
It may seem inane to some people that tiny details are being debated but nobody is getting hurt are they?
Let's all stay friendly.
TWO YEARS ISOCUBE :lol:
Still no news on merchandise? anybody? wants me one of the movie helmets that i frickin love ,full size collectors item,not some plastic crap.
just been told on facebook at KAPOW they will be showing some footage of the new DREDD flim during the 2000ad Q&A :-\
sorry chaps well not sorry i think its mintys flim :-[
is there an website for the film or anything on facebook yet
Nope you are correct with your first statement, it's gonna be DREDD footage.
Glad I've got my ticket :D
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONT JUDGE MEEEE :-[ :-[
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 03 December, 2010, 08:43:51 PM
Nope you are correct with your first statement, it's gonna be DREDD footage.
Glad I've got my ticket :D
remember photo.s to share on here ;)
Quote from: Lee Bates on 03 December, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
I hope the threat to lock the thread wasn't as a result of my obviously jokey comment.
I didn't mean to cause any offence.
It may seem inane to some people that tiny details are being debated but nobody is getting hurt are they?
Let's all stay friendly.
no it wasn't ;)
Well I hope I haven't been too much to blame either, but I do find it extremely silly for people to complain about other people discussing the still from the movie to death, in a thread which is all about the still from the movie and clearly marked as such.
It's like somebody who hates modern art walking into a modern art gallery with a huge sign over the door reading "Modern Art Gallery" and then complaining that there's nothing there but modern art.
Like, don't go into the gallery/read the thread. Just don't. The only possible reason to do so is to find something to complain about, which in itself is behaviour verging on the trollish. Do something else. Seriously.
Simples.
I want another pic,and offical one,c'mon DNA give us a butchers
So I was re-reading Judge Dredd vs Aliens: Incubus last night, and I noticed Flint sometimes drew Lawgivers without the semicircular ammo selector.
I wonder if the movie pistol is following this design?
I would love to see a pic of MC-1 taken from a CGI dude's computer.
Has anyone started a spoiler thread for those who've read the script and want to talk about it (thats even if the script is genuine. Although seeing the Peach Trees sign on the block means it probably is)?
I've heard its not the final draft though so...
Quote from: doggettX on 04 December, 2010, 02:45:02 AM
I would love to see a pic of MC-1 taken from a CGI dude's computer.
Has anyone started a spoiler thread for those who've read the script and want to talk about it (thats even if the script is genuine. Although seeing the Peach Trees sign on the block means it probably is)?
I don't think there is any doubt the script is genuine especially since Peach Trees is the name of the city block in it and we've now seen the block signs for Peach trees in the set pictures.
Quote from: doggettX on 04 December, 2010, 02:45:02 AM
I would love to see a pic of MC-1 taken from a CGI dude's computer.
Has anyone started a spoiler thread for those who've read the script and want to talk about it
That's a good idea, someone?
Hiho all..
Here I sit, this forum on one monitor, the Lawgiver design spinning around on the other..
To awnser a few questions, Jock wasn't the only person to do concepts work on this movie. As far as I know he did pre-pre production work, moods, feelings and the like, but since we started I haven't seen anything else. They do keep us on a tight leash, so I do stand to be corrected. There were 7 of us at one point. The three of us from Altered States ( Jason & Andre Human and myself) are tied in to the manufacturing side of things (hence why some of my facebook updates involved manufacturing comments), props, bits of wardrobe, little bits of set dressing here and there, while the other 4 from Hero concept art (Joe Pistorius, Lorraine Alvarez, Daniel Hugo and Graeme Cowie) were doing more sets. They had a more limited run on the show, as they came in later and didn't have the fortune to be associated with the fabrication department, and were more or less done when they started to nail the first bits of wood together.
Personally I've been doing the Lawgiver, the Lawmaster's cannons and one or two other weapons and some small stuff. The Lawgiver was my baby, so to speak, and I'm really, really chuffed that it's been so well received. Obviously I had an initial concept from Jock to work on, and had to work within the designers brief, but it's not their birthday and Land Rover's license plate number in the weapons serial number :P
I must admit that early on I was somewhat skeptical of some of the decisions being made, but by seeing more and more of the bigger picture it's all fitting better and making a lot more sense. Also seeing the sets and having a look on the monitors (for instance, I needed to sort out some paperwork for my car and had to go to the civic center, seeing the set, then visited a location shoot which happened to be up the road from where I live) is making me really excited about the look of this picture. I might be biased because I'm so close to the show, but I feel it's going to be pretty good. Hopefully I won't end up having to eat my words here..
Everyone here is working very hard to create a good result. Obviously with a big production like this (big for South African standards, that is..), there's going to be the odd communication failure, but so far the atmosphere's been great, which helps.
I'd LOVE to show everyone the pics I've taken so far, but I'm in no position to do so without jeopardizing my position. I'd rather err on the side of caution and not spoil anything.. But as said before, there are definitely eagles, the helmet doesn't look that big when you're standing next to him and yes, she's blonde.. But don't expect to see anything changing. Everything is locked down.
Cheers all
Michael van Kesteren
Concept designer DREDD
Cheers Michael! Bike Cannons! YEE-HAA!
Thanks a lot for the info Michaelvk.Your clearly all very busy so a big thumbs up from the System and probably everyone else on the forums. :thumbsup:
Thanks for poping along Michaelvk, good to hear there is a positive vibe about the film and your info most welcome, Anderson Blonde? collar and cuffs?
I'm personally actually not very busy at all at the moment, hence the long drawn out post just now.. Effectively most of my work here is done. We're just jumping in whenever set dressing, props or fabrication need us.. But the guys in the workshop are hard at work (I'm typing this to the sweet tune of angle grinders as we speak). The guys in prosthetics are creating some lovely stuff right now. One thing's for sure, they aren't sparing the blood in this one.
Thanks for the update Michael, I really appreciate your willingness to tell us stuff, somewhat officially, that you don't have to. How long are you staying in Cape Town?
Quote from: Proudhuff on 04 December, 2010, 01:37:35 PM
Thanks for poping along Michaelvk, good to hear there is a positive vibe about the film and your info most welcome, Anderson Blonde? collar and cuffs?
Now that would be telling, wouldn't it? To be honest, there's not that much of a difference in colours.. But it is very dark on the set every time I drop by, so I'm probably not the best person to ask. Besides, when I am on set, the last thing I'm looking at is the wardrobe.. Olivia's quite pretty up close.. That and I'm focussing on making sure they don't drop the Lawgiver..
Quote from: Garageman on 04 December, 2010, 01:42:45 PM
Thanks for the update Michael, I really appreciate your willingness to tell us stuff, somewhat officially, that you don't have to. How long are you staying in Cape Town?
I'm lucky enough to live here.. Moved here 5 years ago. Was fed up with European weather and doing mechanical engineering..
So you'll be there for the sequels?
I hope so. I'll need the money :lol:
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 December, 2010, 01:24:18 PM
Hiho all..
Here I sit, this forum on one monitor, the Lawgiver design spinning around on the other..
And here I thought *I* ws going to drum up discussion on the lawgiver. :lol:
So I'm guessing you weren't inspired by Flint at all? I'm curious about the (apparently) missing "hump", then.
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 04 December, 2010, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 December, 2010, 01:24:18 PM
Hiho all..
Here I sit, this forum on one monitor, the Lawgiver design spinning around on the other..
And here I thought *I* ws going to drum up discussion on the lawgiver. :lol:
So I'm guessing you weren't inspired by Flint at all? I'm curious about the (apparently) missing "hump", then.
Let's put it this way.. After starting enthusiastically with my own take, I was kindly reminded to stay closer to the approved concept and then renamed the image of it 'drawthisstupid.jpg'.. In the end the weapon in those proportions would've looked like something out of Warhammer 40K in Olivia's hands.
The weapon was ultimately designed to look like it would really function. The whole tone of the movie is steered towards realism, sort of in the same way Batman begins was intended. Everything is there for a reason, and there's nothing on it that's doesn't serve a purpose (I've thought of a reason for everything on it, being a bit of a gun nut). Big dials and humps on the weapon would look out of place in the future now look.
Are there other weapons designed for the film such as a riot shotgun or Justice Dept Assault Rifle ?
I'm not a fan of huge, oversized "hand guns" so I think the current design works practically. Just for fun it could have been given a half moon read-out on the side that didn't create a "hump" that would interfere with the "sights".
The current design is tons better than the "toyish" Stallone version.
Technically it's a multi munitions capable sub machine gun.. Think MP7 with selective tipped rounds.
A large heavy weapon has also been designed.. Justice department assault rifles were sourced by the armourer. I fired one. It's awesome. As is the Lawgiver. Full auto will make anyone giggle.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 December, 2010, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 04 December, 2010, 01:37:35 PM
Thanks for poping along Michaelvk, good to hear there is a positive vibe about the film and your info most welcome, Anderson Blonde? collar and cuffs?
Now that would be telling, wouldn't it? To be honest, there's not that much of a difference in colours.. But it is very dark on the set every time I drop by, so I'm probably not the best person to ask. Besides, when I am on set, the last thing I'm looking at is the wardrobe.. Olivia's quite pretty up close.. That and I'm focussing on making sure they don't drop the Lawgiver..
I'm not sure when he said collar and cuffs he meant wardrobe...
But I do have a dirty mind. :-[
Blond,bike cannons and smaller helmet = geekgasm .More excited about this film than any other,that includes you Hobbit and Avengers.
Quote from: Garageman on 04 December, 2010, 02:09:32 PM
I'm not a fan of huge, oversized "hand guns" so I think the current design works practically. Just for fun it could have been given a half moon read-out on the side that didn't create a "hump" that would interfere with the "sights".
The current design is tons better than the "toyish" Stallone version.
The brief was to make it as physically close to the practical firearm as possible, so it wouldn't look like a box stuck on top of a gun..
There is a readout on the side of the gun, you can just see it in the pic. Again, realism was the priority. There is a hump, by the way, but that's meant to be an enhanced sighting device of sorts.. And that's all you're getting for now :P
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 December, 2010, 02:12:38 PM
Technically it's a multi munitions capable sub machine gun.. Think MP7 with selective tipped rounds.
A large heavy weapon has also been designed.. Justice department assault rifles were sourced by the armourer. I fired one. It's awesome. As is the Lawgiver. Full auto will make anyone giggle.
Great sounding Gun Tech.
H-Wagons? Any ground Assault type vehicles or is that giving away too much?
Story (which you may or may not have read from the leaked script) doesn't lend itself to too many vehicles.. I however have no idea what the VFX guys have up their sleeves, as there is some outside stuff.
Haven't read the script yet. It would spoil any surprises and thats something I always enjoy like the classic Welcome to the party Pal during Die Hard. Yes put the car into gear then a dead terrorist crashes through your windshield!
The LawGiver gun looks great there's a brutal lethality to it's blocky shape and as designers know a strong silhoette is key to a strong design image.
Having not read the script but understanding that Dredd and Co are trapped inside a hostile Block did you design weapons for the bad guys? What sort of weapons have the citizens/gangs got?
The armourer took care of those guys, but he's the same guy who did District 9, sooooo....
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 December, 2010, 02:58:44 PM
The armourer took care of those guys, but he's the same guy who did District 9, sooooo....
Nice.
Are there any miniatures/bigatures being used by the F.X. dept?
I don't think so.. Haven't heard anything about it.
Does Anderson look HAWT?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 December, 2010, 02:28:26 PM
The brief was to make it as physically close to the practical firearm as possible, so it wouldn't look like a box stuck on top of a gun..
There is a readout on the side of the gun, you can just see it in the pic. Again, realism was the priority. There is a hump, by the way, but that's meant to be an enhanced sighting device of sorts.. And that's all you're getting for now :P
Fair enough. I think I can speak for the board when I say anything that you can tell us will be gravy. :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AlteredStatesVFXSA
I found this on the web for anyone who wants to have a look at the FX production company currently working on the Dredd film. There is a link to their website which is not yet fully operational but it has a PDF download.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 04 December, 2010, 03:07:08 PM
Does Anderson look HAWT?
This is the most important question!
Yes, she is. And quite a nice person too..
Oh, and we're doing concept and design work, we're not doing FX.. It's also something we happen to do, but thanks for sharing :)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 December, 2010, 03:35:36 PM
Yes, she is. And quite a nice person too..
Oh, and we're doing concept and design work, we're not doing FX.. It's also something we happen to do, but thanks for sharing :)
You can tell us anything about the
Dredd film anytime! ;)
Magnificant looking work by the way. :D
I was trying to stay away from this thread and failing miserably as usual so thanks for the update @michealvk.
I havent read the script but i dont know about anyone else but if i have read a spoiler i can soon forget about it as there is always something else to think about and focus on.
apart from PSI and Dredd will there be any other judge to put it department,s hope ive put this across right ern sjs
Can you tell us if Anderson's uniform is different to Dredd's in any way?
Does her badge say 'Anderson' for instance? Has she even got a a badge?
Any info is much appreciated. Thanks and great work!
Her badge says "Toots".
I can.. But I won't. I can only sort of comment on stuff that's already out there..
Thank you Michaelvk for taking the time to come and talk to us.
I only have one question for you:
Are there kneepads?
Green?
Yes..
yes green knee pads or just yes pads?
I'm another boarder who really appreciates all these snippets of imformation coming through from Michaelvk!
Cheers dude, it's fascinating stuff and really getting me fired up for the movie's release! :thumbsup:
I think its about time we had another still from the film. Too much of our inane prattle and not enough visuals on this thread.
And thank you Michaelvk for all your inside gossip.
V
Yes. I think some better quality stills are needed. The 'official' one posted earlier was appalling really... unless it was planned that way to whip up some attention. It wouldn't have taken much to do a decent photo shoot. I'd be in damage control mode if I was making this film... and getting some nice clear studio shots of Dredd out there.
The gun looks OK I suppose... but I wouldn't say it strikes me as being something from the future. I don't personally like the gunsight on the top. If you do an image search for FN Rifle, you'll see guns which look at least as advanced as that, if not more so, which are being used in South Africa today... at least they were being used when I lived there.
I would have liked to see the movie take a less conservative stance and have the nouse to take risks to imagine a future beyond the present. Maybe the real risk is the financial one, which is why we have Judge Riot Cop instead of Judge Dredd. I guess I shouldn't be complaining. I'd go and see a Dredd movie whatever interpretation manifests. The reality is it will always be a fine balancing act between art and commerce. It's all about bums on seats when it comes down to it!
Lawgiver. *check*
Cross on the visor. *check*
Chin. *?*
Gloves. *check*
As long as he doesn't take the drokkin' helmet off, this movie will have a chance.
Thanks for all your typing Michaelvk, you've cheered up an otherwise grotty weekend!
HAHAHA!!! :lol: Yes! We should be happy with what we have! Keeping the helmet on is the real test! At least he has a Lawgiver! It could have been some shoulder mounted Predator type weapon!
I'm just a negative bastard when it comes down to it :lol:
Thanks for the info Michael - glad to hear there's a good vibe to this film from someone on the inside.
The shot we've seen looks great - can't wait to see more!
Glad also to hear you've been building actual Lawmasters - I had initially thought all stuff like that would be done in cgi and wouldn't look real.
Big fat wheeled Lamasters with bike cannons.
Confirmed.
Pumped.
Thanks for the info Michaelvk, and the Lawgiver looks great (how it's going to fit in a judge's boot holster is another matter! ;))
I think the leaked photo looks great, but I'd like to see a full pic from boots to helmet to fully appreciate the necessary changes.
2012 is gonna be a good year for Dredd fans! :thumbsup:
50 pages from one leaked photo!
I doubt we'll see anymore production stills till the middle of next year since as Michaelvk pointed out there's a lot under wraps that can't be disclosed and it could possibly be harmful to the films box office potential if the film makers give to much info away.
I always remember the disatrous campaign for PayCheck an adaption of a PKD short story.
One of the films Trailers managed to give away the secret of the film that Ben Afflecks character Jennings has helped build [spoiler]a time machine[/spoiler]. Now having given away the ending pretty well just what is the point of going to see the movie? Short of being an Ben Affleck or Uma Thurman fan no point at all.
Drip feed is what they'll keep us on so don't get too dispirited if no more Dredd pics are posted for a while.
Quote from: minus on 05 December, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
If you do an image search for FN Rifle, you'll see guns which look at least as advanced as that, if not more so.
You're not wrong. Gunnar!
(http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/fn/fn_3830000000.jpg)
Re the sight.. I did have a 20mm rail with a small holosight on it at one stage, but that got nixed..
Surely, we must be allowed more Dredd pics as its a Dredd film.
Its not a spoiler to say Dredd is in it unless he's holding a sign that gives the end of the film away.
I'm sure quite a few of us would like to see an Anderson pic (not for pervy reasons* but) out of desperarte curiosity. I'm a little curious as to what counts as a spoiler.
*Maybe teeny weeny pervy reasons... ;)
To me a spoiler would be any picture , clip or information that automatically told you of a plot development in the film that spoiled any surprise at all. I've not read the script at all , I just don't want to , but certain comments on here - for instance [spoiler]Anderson being a cadet[/spoiler] - although they shouldn't be on this topic , didn't spoil anything for me so I wasn't pissed off with that.
However if for instance , and I'm making this up by the way , someone said '...when such and such dies by so and so's hand...' , then that would be telling me a spoiler and I'd be already aware of it when that part of the film comes up , ruining any surpise.
They'll also want to hold back a bit for Kapow as well, at a guess.
Hey, Michaelvk. Thanks for the info. I'm curious about the suit - is that chest armour a permanent feature or does he wear it only for a particular situation?
I don't really know. There've been quite a few script changes since I last read it.. It was still white back then.. Apparently it's blue now..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 05 December, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
I don't really know. There've been quite a few script changes since I last read it.. It was still white back then.. Apparently it's blue now..
What's blue?
The script.. Easy tiger!
The script, blue?
Don't tell me it has turned into porn.
V
Quote from: Lee Bates on 05 December, 2010, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 05 December, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
I don't really know. There've been quite a few script changes since I last read it.. It was still white back then.. Apparently it's blue now..
What's blue?
Every time there is a significant script update, the colour of the paper changes. It's a simple indication so that everyone should be working off the same colour on any given scene shoot. if someone on the shoot has a different colour, it means they have the wrong script.
Quote from: strontium71 on 05 December, 2010, 02:12:20 PM
To me a spoiler would be any picture , clip or information that automatically told you of a plot development in the film that spoiled any surprise at all. I've not read the script at all , I just don't want to , but certain comments on here - for instance [spoiler]Anderson being a cadet[/spoiler] - although they shouldn't be on this topic , didn't spoil anything for me so I wasn't pissed off with that.
However if for instance , and I'm making this up by the way , someone said '...when such and such dies by so and so's hand...' , then that would be telling me a spoiler and I'd be already aware of it when that part of the film comes up , ruining any surpise.
Well if you don't want to be spoiled to that extent I suggest you don't look at any pages associated with the Dredd film at all, otherwise what would we be talking about? I'd hate to think I couldn't post or comment on something that has been released about it. I haven't read the script but I like to chat about the photos etc. Anderson being a cadet is not really a spoiler, no more than it being set in a city block is. It's part of a synopsis not spoiler material.
The solution's simple. Have a thread for those who've read the script and one for those who haven't/don't wish to. Mark the title clearly, then it's up to the reader if they want to know details before the film is released.
Personally I've read it, think it's a cracking introduction to the world of Dredd, and I'm pretty sure I'll forget the finer details before 2012... :)
One man's spoiler is another's tantalising titbit.
Quote from: James on 05 December, 2010, 12:07:06 PM(http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/fn/fn_3830000000.jpg)
Whilst I'm sure that gun is entirely real and being shot with it would no doubt be horribly fatal, it does look oddly toyish, which is not a look I thing they should go for with a lawgiver - it should look like it means business. I can see the resemblance to gunnar, though.
I do think the lawgiver design as shown in the photo fits the bill. I certainly wouldn't be resisting arrest with that thing pointed at my face.
Quote from: Steve DGenerate on 05 December, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
The solution's simple. Have a thread for those who've read the script and one for those who haven't/don't wish to. Mark the title clearly, then it's up to the reader if they want to know details before the film is released.
There are three threads on the script already,
1 - http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,29301.0.html
2 - http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,31047.0.html
3 - http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,29904.0.html
I've started a Spoiler zone for the film as this thread, which is about the first exclusive picture has meandered all over, including loads on a semi resident mentally ill person.
It's here http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,31156.0.html and it means no-one can complain if they see anything in the thread as the title says it all!
The Lawmaster better not fly and the gun shouldn't talk.
More photos from the set:
www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?30616-Shots-Of-Judge-Dredd-s-Mega-City-One&p=140239#post140239
And scroll down to the post below that for others.
They are clearly going for a gritty near-future feel.
anyone fancy re-hosting them here so I don't have to register for Bleeding Cool :)
Quote from: James Stacey on 06 December, 2010, 04:01:01 PM
anyone fancy re-hosting them here so I don't have to register for Bleeding Cool :)
Me too!
Hold on... I'm doing it now!
Unfortunately, the pics aren't very big...
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/img_4779.jpg)
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/img_4781.jpg)
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(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/img_4794.jpg)
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/img_4797.jpg)
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/img_4804.jpg)
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/img_4807.jpg)
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-- Mike
Hmmm...those wagons look pretty unspectacular :lol:
looks more Robocop 1980s near future than 2010 near future :-\
Oh.
Sorry, not digging the design choices at all there, it just looks far too contemporary.
Seems like they're going for a bit of a Children of Men vibe, but it's not doing it for me...
Quote from: George Moore on 06 December, 2010, 04:21:31 PM
Hmmm...those wagons look pretty unspectacular :lol:
and are they left hand drive or right hand drive
Postman Pat-Wagon?
:)
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 December, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
Postman Pat-Wagon?
:)
I especailly don't like the blue ice cream van with 'the bill' piping around it
I hope Tosh Lines isn't the comedy sidekick...
(http://www.thebillbios.co.uk/lines4.jpg)
mmmm. :-\
Hard to say. Could be for anything.....
Certainly looks very present day to me.
I have seen a pic of one of Jocks early vehicle concepts, which I used as a basis for some further design work I submitted for the vehicle construction to DNA, esp after Alex Garland saw my Warthog. ( I wasn't commissioned or anything, but knew they were interested, so did them anyway, just in case!!)
I wasn't far off what we see here, actually they're bloody close- although mine were more future inspired.
Trivia- I live about 10 mins away from the large 6 wheeler Landrover used in Children Of Men, funnily enough ( its owned by a company called Gumtree 4x4 in Ditchling)
thing is... they are not what I had hoped for but every pic I see is EXACTLY how i expected it to eventually be (especially the wagons. it does seem to have the batman begins nolan vibe (IMHO)
It's at times like this I wish they'd never made Batman Begins. The realistic schtick is wearing thin for me.
It's all very well citing that franchise reboot's reality, but it's supposed to be contemporary, and Dredd isn't.
They don't feel meaty enough, even something more military would have looked more imposing than those photos show.
Well, its gritty.
Okay, it is a little disappointing, but rather gritty and real then sci-fi camp.
Lets wait till we see the LAWMASTER.
I think we have been spoilt in the past...despite 99% of us hating Stallones Dredd...noone can really have any gripes about the set/props as they obviously had a f**k off big budget
Perhaps I should be lowering my expectations :|
50/50 on this. Must ponder some more. I know I will warm to it. :think:
V
Well, yeah they did have a massive budget - but you obviously can get a lot more for your money these days.
I'm sure you can get more than some off the peg Toyota Hi-lux's, a can of matt spray paint and some marine ply. Sorry if they are what they look they are, that's not even near future.
Well..
Budget, guys.. That's all I can say.. And they're right hand drive..
I can't be certain, but I'm quite sure the VFX lads will be doing some groovy stuff..
Funnily enough, I asked the guys working on the ambulance if I could have a softserve with a flake.. It didn't get the laughs I was really hoping for..
Are there any H Wagons in the script ?
If Justice Dept are having to use out-of-date vans as modern (futuristic even) policing vehicles, I'd feel slightly worried being in something that hovers.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 06 December, 2010, 05:16:35 PM
Well..
Budget, guys.. That's all I can say.. And they're right hand drive..
I can't be certain, but I'm quite sure the VFX lads will be doing some groovy stuff..
Funnily enough, I asked the guys working on the ambulance if I could have a softserve with a flake.. It didn't get the laughs I was really hoping for..
To be honest Mike i'm coming round to the 4x4s, but the ice cream van might take some time...like mentioned...it's more 1980s council estate than Mega City One :lol:
The paddy wagons actually got some great looks from the locals who might've thought Cape Town metro cops now had a death squad.. Believe it or not it's an actual fully kitted out ambulance..
Maybe you can flog them to the metro cops afterwards ;)
Still, I'm wishing that the budget spent on 3D had been given to the props guys.
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 06 December, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/img_4794.jpg)
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-- Mike
There are no tools left overnight in these vehicles.
Its the future except its not.
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 December, 2010, 05:30:56 PM
Maybe you can flog them to the metro cops afterwards ;)
Nah, they're gonna be needed for the sequal. :D
I think Avis wants them back, actually..
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 December, 2010, 05:30:56 PM
Maybe you can flog them to the metro cops afterwards ;)
Still, I'm wishing that the budget spent on 3D had been given to the props guys.
Me too...is it actually a big risk shooting in 3D? Been thinking about it...say if the fad becomes unpopular again and 3D goes tits up before 2012...do they have the facility to switch it back to 2D?
I doubt it's a fad, with so many companies investing in 3D technology..
I'm speechless :'(
But still hopeful....
Quote from: George Moore on 06 December, 2010, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 December, 2010, 05:30:56 PM
Maybe you can flog them to the metro cops afterwards ;)
Still, I'm wishing that the budget spent on 3D had been given to the props guys.
Me too...is it actually a big risk shooting in 3D? Been thinking about it...say if the fad becomes unpopular again and 3D goes tits up before 2012...do they have the facility to switch it back to 2D?
3D film DVDs tend to be 2D, so I'm sure that'll be fine.
Wow! I'm now as excited and thrilled as I was when Spider-Man leapt into action... back in the seventies on tv.
Is this Judge Dredd, or Life on Mars: SA?
Yeeeesh.
Put me down for the dvd- when it's a fiver in the bargain bins.
SBT
For those that know the synopsis, the huge bulk of the movie is indoors, where there are no vehicles. I also can't recall any of these vehicles being hero vehicles, so bare with us..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 06 December, 2010, 05:41:12 PM
For those that know the synopsis, the huge bulk of the movie is indoors, where there are no vehicles. I also can't recall any of these vehicles being hero vehicles, so bare with us..
I'm sure it will be alright on the night ;)
It is a poison chalice these shots...you want to see them but don't want to see them
What you have to understand is most of us are still angry and upset about 95 Dredd...so this will probably be the most scrutinised film around for the next couple of years
Personally I hope they pull it off...don't think I could stomach another stinker :D
I doubt 3D is a fad either, but I live in hope that it dies on its arse eventually.
Hmm, think in general people are overeacting a bit, but I am slightly shocked at just how non-futuristic that stuff looks. Was definitely expecting things to look a lot chunkier and more sci-fi. Even if those Landrovers had some chunky-looking body armour or hub caps welded on they'd already look way better....
I'll withhold judgement until I see everything
in context. As Mike says, I guess it all comes down to budget... Still, the lo-fi aesthetic could work well if handled deftly.
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3D film DVDs tend to be 2D, so I'm sure that'll be fine.
Well, yes, 3d films are still released theatrically in 2d so there's no danger of the film being
obselete - just that they might have wasted money on going the 3d route - and judging by the groans that usually accompany the "in 3d!" v/o on most trailers these days, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the bubble has well and truly burst by 2012.
Quote from: George Moore on 06 December, 2010, 05:48:03 PM
What you have to understand is most of us are still angry and upset about 95 Dredd...so this will probably be the most scrutinised film around for the next couple of years
Personally I hope they pull it off...don't think I could stomach another stinker :D
Well.. It couldn't really be much worse, now can it? He keeps his lid on, which is a big bonus for starters..
Quote from: radiator on 06 December, 2010, 05:50:11 PM
Well, yes, 3d films are still released theatrically in 2d so there's no danger of the film being obselete - just that they might have wasted money on going the 3d route - and judging by the groans that usually accompany the "in 3d!" v/o on most trailers these days, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the bubble has well and truly burst by 2012.
Exactly what I was thinking...I think the 'Avatar Effect' is already wearing thin
I think what is killing it off is that every shit film around is scrambling to get on the 3d bandwagon. Avatar was a largely mediocre film, and though I'm still not convinced of the technology (3d movies always look blurry to me and the 3d effect lacks solidity), at least it was doing something novel. But when I see the trailer for some stinker like Jack Black's Gulliver's Travels, the "in 3d" announcement automatically invokes an eye-rolling impulse from me.
At least Dredd is being built from the ground up as a 3d movie rather than tacking in on at the last minute, which is a good start.
Quote from: radiator on 06 December, 2010, 05:50:11 PM
Well, yes, 3d films are still released theatrically in 2d so there's no danger of the film being obselete - just that they might have wasted money on going the 3d route - and judging by the groans that usually accompany the "in 3d!" v/o on most trailers these days, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the bubble has well and truly burst by 2012.
The 3D thing will slow down, but not fade away any time soon. There are a LOT of companies out there that are investing heavily in 3D, from TV manufacturers to software companies. The camera rig's on this show are easily a few hundred thousand bucks each, excluding the two camera's on them.. There will be a lot of people out of pocket if 3D isn't pushed enough. A lot of stuff on this production are firsts that will have a pretty big effect on the industry. There are some spectacular 3D shots planned for this that I can absolutely guarantee you'll never have seen before.
Well, that sounds encouraging. It sounds to me that it's primarily this feature that could be what is generating the industry buzz around the movie.
Hopefully Dredd will be held up as a positive example of 3d movies when it's relesed... All 3d seems to get lately is negative associations with movies like Clash of the Titans...
Clash of the titans never was supposed to be 3D, that's the problem.. Most, if not all the in camera stuff was separated in post.. As you probably know..
Can any of you folks who can tell, by a couple of pictures of some vans, that this film will be shit please let me know the lottery numbers for this weekend?
They look pathetic.My first impression,they look old by todays standards let alone the future. The suit is cool but this? i'm worried now.
Look more like dog warden vans,not at all impressed,god help us if whatshisname sees these...
The Judge Minty trailer had flying H-Wagons :|
Yes, but we're not quite done yet. There's at least 9 months of production and post production. You can't judge, forgive the pun, the show on some random background filler stuff..
What I'm hoping for is they have some meatier vehicles done in post - nothing too outlandish, but something more imposing.
Hopefully these are just background/filler vehicles - they honestly look too small for a catch wagon.
Don't worry im not writing it off,i know it will be different. Less Mad Max would be nice though.
I'm hoping for a Stan Lee-style cameo from John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra. What are the chances ?
Is there any truth in the story that Michael Biehn was turned down for the role of Dredd because he was too old?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 06 December, 2010, 06:33:43 PM
The Judge Minty trailer had flying H-Wagons :|
And how do you know there are none in this movie?
So there are flying H wagons in? very much doubt that going off the SFX guys comments about budget.I may be wrong though an i will eat as much humble pie as is available.
And thats all im saying on the matter before the thought police arrest me for having an opinion.
Nope, still not seen anything that's dampened my spirits!
I'm not particularly shocked by these photos and it's a mistake to make a visual judgement now on a film that will spend over a year in post-production. I'm thinking it may likely have somewhat of an Origins rough and ready look and feel to it which is fine by me as Dredd is still young in it. If the narrative and direction are strong, the general audience and fans will have more chance of liking it.
The 3D aspect is only a gimmick, I only saw Avatar in 2D, never cared to see it in 3D. It made no difference either way since it plays like a normal film without the extra dimension, no reason why Dredd can't be the same. The narrative and directorial flaws in Avatar stand out whether it is in 3D and 2D, so it's not particulalry important, it's only to serve a recent a marketing trend.
I wonder if this version is set at the beginning of the city's history and therefore all the comic stuff is still to come.
Yes CF, about 1979 by the look of it! :-D
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 06 December, 2010, 07:22:58 PM
Yes CF, about 1979 by the look of it! :-D
It's really a
Magnum Force remake.
I can see their logic in focusing on traditional wheeled vehicles since the Judges are still tearing around a massive city on motorbikes.
Turbo boost!
Might be a flashback montage at the begining? could be
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 06 December, 2010, 07:30:52 PM
Might be a flashback montage at the begining? could be
Doubt it, they wouldn't spend their limited budget on doing up so many vehicles for that plus a flashback is not in the script
Or maybe they've got wheel vehicles- just like they do in Mega City One?
Sorry if I'm coming across snippy here, but this kind of fanboy talk really bugs me, and it feels to me that it lets us down as a board and makes us sound just like the mentalists who inhabit AICN and the like and complain about every tiny detail in movies and proclaim they know better than the makers.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 December, 2010, 07:19:37 PM
I'm not particularly shocked by these photos and it's a mistake to make a visual judgement now on a film that will spend over a year in post-production. I'm thinking it may likely have somewhat of an Origins rough and ready look and feel to it which is fine by me as Dredd is still young in it. If the narrative and direction are strong, the general audience and fans will have more chance of liking it.
I was thinking the same.
I'm also hoping that Dredd's shoulder pads will get bigger over seguels. It would be great to see an evolution of the uniform over many films.
Still, we read Dredd for Dredd, not for what type of vehicles are in the strip.
Oh... :|
I dunno what to think,first hic-up,think positive and look forward to the next pic,i going with that.
I wonder if this is another kind of lighting problem.
Rather than being too dark (as the Urban pic was) these are too bright. We're looking at sets and vehicles in bright daylight, but I seriously doubt Mega City One looks like a sunny parking lot. ;)
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 06 December, 2010, 07:33:52 PM
Or maybe they've got wheel vehicles- just like they do in Mega City One?
Sorry if I'm coming across snippy here, but this kind of fanboy talk really bugs me, and it feels to me that it lets us down as a board and makes us sound just like the mentalists who inhabit AICN and the like and complain about every tiny detail in movies and proclaim they know better than the makers.
You can't have everybody parroting the same line,no point in having a forum otherwise.Debate and difference of opinion should be encouraged.Respectfully of course.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 06 December, 2010, 07:33:52 PM
Or maybe they've got wheel vehicles- just like they do in Mega City One?
Sorry if I'm coming across snippy here, but this kind of fanboy talk really bugs me, and it feels to me that it lets us down as a board and makes us sound just like the mentalists who inhabit AICN and the like and complain about every tiny detail in movies and proclaim they know better than the makers.
I don't think anyone is coming across as a mentalist but people need to realise that the internal logic of the film wil be consistent with being a "real" film that's designed from the ground up, to have a certain look and tone and I believe it will work. Unfortunately the majority of fans don't work in film production or understand the change from the initial stages to the final work, so you have to expect a certain amount of nitpicking especially from our younger forumites.
Hummers/Humvees would have been a lot more plausable as future retro Justice Dept vehicles than those shown in the picture as it would be possible in the context of the film for there to have been some Humvees left over from the military pre-MC1 and since its aperfect design there would be no reason why they wouldnt still be in use 60 years or so later.
They would also look good and more convincing on screen if they were carefully customised.
I said right from the beginning that 3D was a waste of time and money and i am still saying it.This is an argument in principle and its perfectly reasonable.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 06 December, 2010, 07:33:52 PM
Or maybe they've got wheel vehicles- just like they do in Mega City One?
Sorry if I'm coming across snippy here, but this kind of fanboy talk really bugs me, and it feels to me that it lets us down as a board and makes us sound just like the mentalists who inhabit AICN and the like and complain about every tiny detail in movies and proclaim they know better than the makers.
This.
Not very inspiring vehicles in those snaps, but so what? Who knows what part they'll play, or how they'll appear on screen, or what else there is to see?
I can't help feeling people are expecting to see Star Wars Prequel-type budgets at play here, but as I recall no-one was particularly happy how that turned out. As others have noted, MC-1 in the comic is an illogical mix of wheeled cars, hover vehicles and anti-grav boots - hate Stallone's flying Lawmaster all you like, but it makes more sense in that context than a street-bound bike. If we're going for a less crazy more realistic near-future tone (as everything seems to indicate) with an overwhelmed Justice Dept then wheeled pat-wagons and earthbound Lawmasters seem to be where it's at.
I don't know why people are complaining. It looks good to me.
It's obvious we're not in the Mega City 1 of the comics and that's fine.
The comic version wouldn't work in a modern film that expects to be taken seriously.
I'm not worried or put off in the slightest.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 06 December, 2010, 08:05:40 PMIt's obvious we're not in the Mega City 1 of the comics and that's fine.
This.
One of the things that's always been odd in MC-1 and Dredd is the massive amounts of wealth coming from somewhere, but it's not clear where. Now take that wealth away. It looks like the film is going to show MC-1 as a borderline massive slum, where the Judges are all that stops things descending into anarchy. Oddly, this isn't a million miles off of the original
concept behind Dredd, if not its execution.
Personally, I'm digging the idea of a Max Maxish Dredd on the big screen. And you know what? I'm also looking forward to something different to the comics, as long as it's good. I already have the comics; I've read them. Something with a similar vibe, but different, could turn out very well. (I had similar thinking about Hellboy, which borrows from the source, but is hugely different, yet I thoroughly enjoyed both Hellboy films.)
The vehicles do look very now rather than futuristic. I think we're too use to the spectacular flying vehicles and panoramas of Mega City 1 we see depicted in the comic.
Mad Max Dredd? I think I can live with that.
Only speaking for myself here, but it's not the wheels it's that they look like what they are, off-the-shelf cars with minimal mods.
If that's their budget, then fair-dos, but I'm not going to pretend I'm not disappointed.
Please accept my catch all response to this thread:
1) Those bastards, They've ruined Dredd.
2) WOW! This looks like the dogs balls! AWESOME!.
3) let's not ruin the film by second guessing every single spy shot.
-pj
What Mr Holden said, and this
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs382.ash2/66013_449708207000_356101987000_5863285_8137612_n.jpg)
Quote from: pauljholden on 06 December, 2010, 08:48:34 PM
Please accept my catch all response to this thread:
1) Those bastards, They've ruined Dredd.
2) WOW! This looks like the dogs balls! AWESOME!.
3) let's not ruin the film by second guessing every single spy shot.
-pj
Holden, always fence-sitting.
Hey guys, how about we don't scare away the Altered States guy by being rude and a bit silly eh?
Me, I'm reserving judgement till I see more.
The vehicles probably won't get more than a couple of minutes screen-time, possibly mostly in dull-lighting, and almost certainly won't be the main focus of our attention.
Now, I don't know about you lot, but if I was making a science fiction film on a strict budget, that's the kind of thing I'd be making sure I didn't spend more money than I needed to on.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TP1JM6L3jKI/AAAAAAAAAI8/Bc2ttOnv2t8/s1600/ctcc-1105-jdept.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TP1JaiUK-qI/AAAAAAAAAJE/W6tYf_wohro/s1600/ctcc-1105-pad.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TP1Jid-ZD5I/AAAAAAAAAJM/kMAI04-UZAc/s1600/ctcc-1105-para.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TP1JnE19MoI/AAAAAAAAAJU/lP1BCZIfvZ0/s1600/ctcc-1105-south.jpg)
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/2010/12/justice-department-hardware.html
The entrance and badge look cool.
This reference to the cubes made me happy -
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/img_4811.jpg)
I'm really liking all the graphic design and aged effects and griminess.
Everythings coming together. It just takes a little time. :)
The film makers seem pretty spot on about the uniform which I believe has been given the thumbs up by most people on the forum so although the armoured cars look a little familiar that might be the point.
Their recognizable because this is a near future Dredd hence the realism angle not the far future Dredd of high technology, lie detecters etc.
Quote from: doggettX on 06 December, 2010, 09:27:42 PM
Everythings coming together. It just takes a little time. :)
I love it when we all come together.
We are Bukakke.
If you get down hearted just utter these words.
'They are making a fucking Dredd film, how fucking arsom'.
Roll on 2012.
Stontium Dog next.
V
Quote from: Teivion on 06 December, 2010, 08:49:55 PM
What Mr Holden said, and this
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs382.ash2/66013_449708207000_356101987000_5863285_8137612_n.jpg)
That would definately work in the film.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 06 December, 2010, 09:12:50 PM
The vehicles probably won't get more than a couple of minutes screen-time, possibly mostly in dull-lighting, and almost certainly won't be the main focus of our attention.
Lets hope so.
Quote from: vzzbux on 06 December, 2010, 09:30:21 PM
If you get down hearted just utter these words.
'They are making a fucking Dredd film, how fucking arsom'.
Roll on 2012.
Stontium Dog next.
V
Keep telling yourself "Its only a film !! - Its only a film !!"
We're getting a new Judge Dredd film, we haven't seen any of the final footage yet and we have someone from Altered States answering questions and spending time on the board.
I wish people would stop getting carried away and be a bit more polite.
As with the barely dressed set shots we saw earlier you have to realise this stuff is going to look much better on screen. These vehicles have the potential to look pretty cool on screen.
An example, if I may. I've been on the bridge of the Starship Enterprise... or more precisely one of the sets they used to actually film the original T.V. series. Believe me, up close it looks absolutely rubbish, not much of a big step up from something made out of egg cartons and glue with a lick of paint. The difference between that and what you saw on screen was massive, and this miracle transformation was pulled off on a 1960s TV show. We're talking about a movie being made with 21st century technology here, by people with proven track records who know what they're doing.
Clearly the vehicles have a more modern day vibe, but this is also something we're likely to see evolving over the course of time if there are more movies. It's early days for Dredd's Mega-City 1 in this movie... and I've no doubt it'll be better than what we had in the very early days of the comic. The vehicles in Case Files 1 are a pretty incoherent mishmash of modern day (by 70s standards) stuff, and designs which frankly just look more downright bizarre than futuristic by today's standards.
This is why I am so dead against spy pictures leaking from set:
No good can possibly come from that. Ever.
Such pictures are low resolution, feature the cast and out of character and set pieces out of place, and are by default neither properly staged, lit nor colour timed - meaning that regardless of how good the final movie might look in the end, such pictures will make the movie look like it's going to be crap. If such pics leak prior to the official, properly lit photos which actually represent what the movie will look like are out, the online movie community will judge the movie down the drain based on nothing but the unrepresentative leaked pics.
Lo and behold, precisely that is happening.
The response on every board I've seen is overwhelmingly negative. The movie is being judged down and under, because people just don't get the simple fact these these pictures are not representative of what we will see on screen. Nearly all set pieces that look amazing on film look like absolute garbage in real life. That is why they are not meant to be seen by anyone not involved in production, as unstaged pictures of sets cause nothing but fear, uncertainty and doubt - for no reason at, as a slight change in staging, light and colour makes the same motif look impressive as hell on film.
Whatever a$$hole has taken these pictures probably things he's cool and all, but he might aswell be working for a rival studio - for all he does is cause the movie harm.
Why anyone actually wants these pictures to leak is beyond me. It would be much better for both us fans' mental well being, the movies hype, and ultimately its BO if ONLY the studio approved pictures are released.
For the record, I think these pictures show GREAT promise of what we might see on screen.
Quote from: norse_sage on 06 December, 2010, 09:52:07 PM
This is why I am so dead against spy pictures leaking from set:
No good can possibly come from that. Ever.
It's only the web idiots who argue over such details, the masses don't give a shit until they see a trailer. Trying to stop "leaking" costs money, attracts more attention, intensifies focus on insignificance and is futile. People will do what they will...live with it. You'll be a happier more loving person at the other end and...
...it's only a film.
No problems with a more contempory take on things here, assuming this vision of Dredd is set after an imminent nuclear war.
As Dredd should be. ;)
Kinda makes sense that the vehicles would look familiar.
And many, many thanks to Michealvk for taking the time to post here. I only hope you don't get in trouble for telling us anything! :-\
Quote from: norse_sage on 06 December, 2010, 09:52:07 PM
Whatever a$$hole has taken these pictures probably things he's cool and all, but he might aswell be working for a rival studio - for all he does is cause the movie harm.
To be fair to whoever took the pictures -you can't really call them an "a$$hole"- the vehicles don't seem to be on a
closed set but on an ordinary street, that's partly why they chose to shoot in CapeTown/Jo'burg because they don't need to build many exterior sets but will utilise areas of the city ala District 9 and shooting a Dredd film there is slightly more anonymous, being away from "rabid fans". If I were a Dredd fan in Cape Town and saw those cars sitting there on the street, I don't think I'd have any hesitation in taking a snap -I believe not many of us here wouldn't either-it's not a crime even thought it's
the Meg.
i am getting the vibe that the new dredd movie is focusing on the origins/early years of the dredd universe that we know and love which is good maybe in a sequel theyll evolve into something some of us can accept?
way i se it is it is dredd,jus seen through someone elses eyes reminicent of the hellboy movies ...still hellboy but not exactly as the comic was but still bloody enjoyable!
Quote from: norse_sage on 06 December, 2010, 09:52:07 PM
The response on every board I've seen is overwhelmingly negative. The movie is being judged down and under, because people just don't get the simple fact these these pictures are not representative of what we will see on screen. Nearly all set pieces that look amazing on film look like absolute garbage in real life. That is why they are not meant to be seen by anyone not involved in production, as unstaged pictures of sets cause nothing but fear, uncertainty and doubt - for no reason at, as a slight change in staging, light and colour makes the same motif look impressive as hell on film.
I don't know what boards you mean exactly, but on such sites like Super Hero Hype, the reception has been overall positive.
I think he means IMDB of which it's Dredd forum has a membership of about 12.
Getting worked up over spy pics is stupid.
When official footage and stills are released, that's the time to either praise or criticize the set design.
Also, if they're following the script, those cars won't factor into the movie very much.
Clearly none of you have actually read the script. Dredd spends half the film driving around in a Nissan Micra.
He only exits the vehicle when it's time for it to tranform into robot form.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 December, 2010, 10:42:53 PM
I think he means IMDB of which it's Dredd forum has a membership of about 12.
Ahh, yes!! Gotta love that IMDB. ::)
Where have I seen that body armour before?
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4018/bladeu0.png)
:D
Quote from: Ratty on 06 December, 2010, 11:11:50 PM
Where have I seen that body armour before?
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4018/bladeu0.png)
:D
obviously not there as it looks nothing like it :lol:
Well... F**K! I wish I could share the optimism some others have, but those cars look total shit to me. I mean if your budget is that small that you have to present this a Dredd, why bother in the first place? Maybe they scaled down Dredd's shoulder pad due to budget constraints. :lol: Seriously, it looks like something someone would put together over a few weekends and stick up on Youtube! I am in shock these are actually real shots! :o You have got to be kidding! :( The justice department sign looks terrible too. Not futuristic in font choice at all. Sorry, but I had a bad feeling about this....
I really do hope I "warm" to these photos like others say they have, but it's doubtful this will happen. I don't buy this 'wait and see the post production' line either. There have been some major errors in judgement (pardon the pun), budget aside.
F**K those cars look BAD!
Quote from: minus on 06 December, 2010, 11:38:55 PMNot futuristic in font choice at all
I think you win "most bizarre criticism" with that one. So what would you consider a "futuristic" font? (Tread carefully, given the number of typographers on this board!)
Quote from: minus on 06 December, 2010, 11:38:55 PM
Well... F**K! I wish I could share the optimism some others have, but those cars look total shit to me. I mean if your budget is that small that you have to present this a Dredd, why bother in the first place? Maybe they scaled down Dredd's shoulder pad due to budget constraints. :lol: Seriously, it looks like something someone would put together over a few weekends and stick up on Youtube! I am in shock these are actually real shots! :o You have got to be kidding! :( The justice department sign looks terrible too. Not futuristic in font choice at all. Sorry, but I had a bad feeling about this....
I really do hope I "warm" to these photos like others say they have, but it's doubtful this will happen. I don't buy this 'wait and see the post production' line either. There have been some major errors in judgement (pardon the pun), budget aside.
F**K those cars look BAD!
Hmm...
Maybe this will help:
(http://www.fontcraft.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/futhead.gif)
http://www.fontcraft.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=futurefonts&Category_Code=scriptorium
QuoteSeriously, it looks like something someone would put together over a few weekends and stick up on Youtube! I am in shock these are actually real shots! :o You have got to be kidding!
...and there we have the crux of the misunderstanding of "context". No, they aren't "real" shots from the film, they're snapshots of props on an unstylised/unmodelled/undressed street and one blurred/unlit rhearsal shot of the uniform.
This thread makes me fear for humanity.
Lets see if I can steer the conversation away from cars in a car park...
(http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/thirlby-anderson.jpg)
Y'know, with a chin like that....
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck -it's a duck.
The pictures from the Dredd Movie suck the sweat from a dead mans balls, and all the lighting, styling and so on won't change it.You cannot polish a turd.
Hell they fuck up the synopsis and can't even provide a helmet that fits the star!
The Omens are not good - "We're all gonna die!"
Great way to ingratiate yourself with that first post.
I'm not sure what to make of these conceptions of Justice Dept vehicles--simply slapping eagles on Toyotas seems slightly lazy to me, but hey, maybe they're just stuff to be tucked away in the background, in which case that's cool. Perhaps they'll pimp them with CGI, which would be better. Did the script mention any airborne vehicles? I'd imagine if that's the case then flying H-Wagons would be more like police helicopters, looking like gunships out of Halo or something.
All in all, I'm intrigued by this direction. A Dredd doggedly faithful to the comics isn't going to come on this budget or from a big studio, so I'm happy they're making do with what they can get.
Well, I have no comment on the vehicle's looks, as I had nothing to do with
them.. Context fellas, context.
Went past the set on location on my way home last night. Big scene, lots of extra's. It convinced me Ricky Gervais' show is a documentary..
Dear Santa, for christmas I would like for everyone to calm down and stop talking shit.
Thank you.
I have been a good boy.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 07 December, 2010, 07:03:31 AM
Dear Santa, for christmas I would like for everyone to calm down and stop talking shit.
Thank you.
I have been a good boy.
Me too and I have mostly been a good boy, mostly.
They're only some random vehicles that you will barely even see in the movie. ::)
I doubt the conversation here is any critical than in a pub after a football team you support has won or lost....
As has been said, broad daylight, with no ambience/ lighting/ environmental effects like smoke/rain......neons......citizens......course it doesn't look the best.
Even the crew working on Star Wars (IV) thought it looked shite at the time and didn't take it seriously.
Put those vehicles into a shot with heavy rain, smog, and a row of Judges about to charge a block war and I'm pretty sure they would probably be the last thing you see in shot anyway !
'They' don't like opinions on here do 'They'.I can't belive other fourumites jump on people because they express a different view.This Nazi Germany or Communist China?Pathetic. Slanging insults is on thing but some of the Mods/regulars need to calm down.Forum,look it up in a dictonary.
Goodbye i'm off to a more open site.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 07 December, 2010, 08:31:12 AM
'They' don't like opinions on here do 'They'.I can't belive other fourumites jump on people because they express a different view.This Nazi Germany or Communist China?Pathetic. Slanging insults is on thing but some of the Mods/regulars need to calm down.Forum,look it up in a dictonary.
Goodbye i'm off to a more open site.
The mods/regulars you refer to are at least as calm as the "OMG this movie is going to Suxxx 'cos of some vans!!!" crowd. When opinions are expressed in such strong terms you have to expect people to react in equally strong terms.
I think this might have been mentioned before a few times but background props/sets almost always look crappy when you see them in real life. You can't judge them until you see them on screen.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 07 December, 2010, 08:31:12 AM
'They' don't like opinions on here do 'They'.I can't belive other fourumites jump on people because they express a different view.This Nazi Germany or Communist China?Pathetic. Slanging insults is on thing but some of the Mods/regulars need to calm down.Forum,look it up in a dictonary.
Goodbye i'm off to a more open site.
I think you're overreacting. As you say, It's a forum, comparing it to oppressive authoritarian regimes is silly and, you'll always come back.
I'd just like to add my tuppence and say I actually got quite excited when I saw those cars and thought about them careering round some future streets. The impression I get (and again, I haven't touched the script) is that this is Mega-City One rebuilding after the war and the Justice Dept. is still a relatively new thing. It makes the most sense as an origin story and introduction to the character and I can honestly live without flying cars as long as they get the important stuff right, and we have no way of telling if they've got the important stuff right until we see the film.
QuoteEven the crew working on Star Wars (IV) thought it looked shite at the time and didn't take it seriously.
Indeed. I've seen the original Yoda puppet, and it looks bloody rubbish.
Quote'They' don't like opinions on here do 'They'.I can't belive other fourumites jump on people because they express a different view.This Nazi Germany or Communist China?Pathetic. Slanging insults is on thing but some of the Mods/regulars need to calm down.Forum,look it up in a dictonary.
Mmmm... well I personally think that saying a movie is going to be rubbish because of a pitures of some props is a
little bit of an over reaction, but that's just me...
QuoteGoodbye i'm off to a more open site.
Ha! If you find one, let us know.
UK release is set for 1st December 2011, according to IMDB.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 December, 2010, 09:47:57 AM
UK release is set for 1st December 2011, according to IMDB.
Less than a year away mother funters !
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 December, 2010, 09:47:57 AM
UK release is set for 1st December 2011, according to IMDB.
Grud, that's not long at all!
But on the other hand, it's going to feel like forever...
When they start taping cats together to make Henry Ford, then I'll worry,
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 December, 2010, 09:47:57 AM
UK release is set for 1st December 2011, according to IMDB.
Info that originates on the imdb should be taken with a grain of salt, but I seriously hope this one is true.
The thought of waiting until late 2012 to see this movie pains me, especially as they have ample of time to get it ready to late 2011.
Fingers crossed we will have seen this movie one year from today.
2000AD twitter making noises about the first Anderson pic..... might we see it today d'ya think??
:o
Let's hope so.
Allon Reich, producer with DNA Films, says the hope is that DREDD will lay the grounds for a three-part franchise.
This is from an article at Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118028378).
You can get a PDF of it HERE (http://www.imglobalfilm.com/img_CP/files/pressFiles/Variety_DNAevolves_120410.pdf)
Thank you so much - your site is the CNN of Dredd.
Allthough I would like to see many more, I can live with a three movie franchise.
Hope confirmation of the Dec 1 2011 release date is iminent
- the same goes for that pic of Anderson...
...and suddenly this thread is interesting again!
Exciting developments... Hope we get the Anderson pic soon. Dec 2011 release would be great - what a Christmas present that would be! Wonder if they'll do an IMAX run?
I can understand the concern over those van shots. We all want this film to do really well and we also want every bit of it to really sing, bringing MC1 alive for us and faithfully so.
When I first saw the vans it made me dispair for the Lawmaster - going along the same lines Dredd could just be riding a standard Suzuki or something. Then I remembered that we know the Lawmaster has bike cannons. And if the bikes have cannons then the other Justice Dept vehicles should be armed, which these are not - yet. I don't see that anyone would go to the trouble of painting Justice Dept livery on them if they were going to cover it up with CGI later, but I think there may be some extra bits to add on.
Also, as others have said here, the vans may just sit in the background. If Dredd joins in a pursuit, we may just register the black blurs with sirens as he speeds past. Similarly they may just sit brooding in the background of a night-time scene with lights flashing making us aware of their presence without being particularly visible.
I also think the film makers have to recognise the Stallone film to a degree. The casual punter will have an vague idea of Dredd from that - enormous futuristic metropolis, flying cars & bikes, etc. I think said cinema-goer would be thrown for a minute if the film looks like it was set only 20 minutes into the future.
Anyway, I'm happy to wait and see the film before making any judgement. I know how I hope they'll be used, but even if the film-makers do something different I'll make my own decision when I see the movie. All the news I've heard about the film ticks the right boxes for me - involvement of Jock, John Wagner, the Kingsleys; getting the helmet right; an actor who knows the background and will keep the helmet on; no gold codpiece, etc - so I feel I can trust them on this one too.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 December, 2010, 09:14:05 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TP1JM6L3jKI/AAAAAAAAAI8/Bc2ttOnv2t8/s1600/ctcc-1105-jdept.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TP1JaiUK-qI/AAAAAAAAAJE/W6tYf_wohro/s1600/ctcc-1105-pad.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TP1Jid-ZD5I/AAAAAAAAAJM/kMAI04-UZAc/s1600/ctcc-1105-para.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TP1JnE19MoI/AAAAAAAAAJU/lP1BCZIfvZ0/s1600/ctcc-1105-south.jpg)
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/2010/12/justice-department-hardware.html
This is looking like an alternative reality story rather than a future set story.
I'm not at all impressed... chances are the Lawmaster will just be a regular bike.
If it isn't it's gonna look way out of place against these present day vehicles.
Just praying these are for some flashback/intro sequence regarding the origin of the judge system.
I know it's totally out of context but these cars are not my idea of futuristic police transport.
Very poor.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 December, 2010, 11:55:01 PM
Quote from: minus on 06 December, 2010, 11:38:55 PMNot futuristic in font choice at all
I think you win "most bizarre criticism" with that one. So what would you consider a "futuristic" font? (Tread carefully, given the number of typographers on this board!)
I don't need to tread carefully ma' boy. Been a designer for 25 years or more. You can tell a shiity movie by it titles... I was merely pointing out that the effort going into this movie seems to be consistently low. What year is this supposed to be set in? A hundred years from now? Do you really think we''ll have those vintage looking vehicles? I'm not trying to spoil anyones Xmas by telling them Santa isn't real... It's simply that to me, this movie is a MAJOR worry. It's not got me confident AT ALL. I'm far more excited about 'Minty".
Can't wait for the matt black mountain bike/Lawmaster :lol:!
I'll shut up now and enjoy some 'positive/happy/he is keeping his lid on' comments. :-X :lol:
For anyone hoping these are flashbacks... they're not.
That's the look they're going for.
I'm interested to see what the Lawmaster looks like, Nolan realism or not, the batpod is an impressive prop, and has set the bar very high.
If it's half as impressive as that, I'll be happy.
What's that quote from Quantum Leap? Something like "No, the cars are still on the ground, but the air is polluted."
Not flashbacks?... gotta be an alternate reality story then cause it's certainly not set beyond the year 2012 looking at those vans.
At most these vans are for a "Loading perps into at the end" shot
Im kinda glad, based on the budget this movie has, that they havent blown a fortune on vehicles that will at best be in long shot or on screen for a few seconds. And anyway, odds are while these are on the ground, probably in a dark, rainy shot, you'll see a nice CGI H-Wagon hovering above them anyway
Not a priority for me and definately not something thats causing me worry at all
Quote from: bluemeanie on 07 December, 2010, 12:41:28 PM
And anyway, odds are while these are on the ground, probably in a dark, rainy shot, you'll see a nice CGI H-Wagon hovering above them anyway
That's what i'm thinking to be fair...like Mike said...the majority of the film is set indoors so I somehow think these vans will play a very minor role in proceedings
I'm still confident...ice cream truck or not ;)
Quote from: Gavin_Leahy on 06 December, 2010, 09:37:55 PM
We're getting a new Judge Dredd film, we haven't seen any of the final footage yet and we have someone from Altered States answering questions and spending time on the board.
I wish people would stop getting carried away and be a bit more polite.
Seconded
QuoteNot flashbacks?... gotta be an alternate reality story then cause it's certainly not set beyond the year 2012 looking at those vans.
Someone mentioned
Children of Men a while back - I think that could be accurate in terms of the look they are going for.
CoM is set 20 years+ in the future, yet the technology we see in that film has advanced very little from present day, which reflects the lack of progress and hope in a troubled society.
From the first time I saw the script synopsis I knew this would be a fairly loose adaptation of Dredd - so it's not totally surprising that they have shifted the setting from the mid 2100s to something more contemporary. Besides, it's been mentioned that DNA hopes for a Dredd trilogy, so perhaps in (larger budgeted) sequels that catch up with Dredd and a Anderson a few years down the line we will start to see a more familiar Justice Department taking shape?
Still, I'd be surprised if those vans are shown on screen exactly as they are in those photos - and it's mainly the ambulance that looks a bit naff. For all we know, they could only be partly dressed, or they will be enchanced in post production - I've heard that a lot of the movie will be cg. Or perhaps they're going right back to Dredd's origins and have deliberately decided on a
Dirty Harry, gritty 1970's cop movie, retro-futuristic influenced art direction?
I do believe that this thread has made me ill :'(
It's quite possibly a mish-mash of future/retro designs in a struggling future metropolis,something like the Los Angeles of Blade Runner that had 50's-70's style cars driving the roads -with bits of added contraptions added on- side by side with future style flying vehicles.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 01:05:18 PM
It's quite possibly a mish-mash of future/retro designs in a struggling future metropolis,something like the Los Angeles of Blade Runner that had 50's-70's style cars driving the roads -with bits of added contraptions added on- side by side with future style flying vehicles.
To be fair I love that rain soaked, bleak, Blade Runner look...which you are quite correct in the fact that it mixes retro with hi technology...if Mega City One is anything like that outside of the building i'll be delighted
I just found this tweet:
QuoteSho im up from a hectic night. Just walked off set of Judge Dredd with 500 extras, a dead body and a crazy blowing wind!
They've been filming with hundreds of extras the past couple of days. I don't know if that's at the Civic Centre, but I do expect that these vehicles will be in amongst crowds at night, shown only in part, and not featured in broad daylight with lingering close-ups of the fluffy dice.
I know that some of Prime Focus' VFX footage of the city has been screened for the cast and crew. It is said to be very impressive. Prime Focus has been working on Dredd since last year, and I think their initial work was one of the things used to sell the project to potential buyers at Cannes.
http://twitter.com/2000ADonline/statuses/12101699632107521 (http://twitter.com/2000ADonline/statuses/12101699632107521)
Anderson first picture on the way. Hope they release it soon....
Thanks for the updates CraveNoir, I've been following your page relgiously these past months. I drop the odd comment there on your blog.
Edit: I see its old news on the Anderson pic looking a page back...but what a carrot to hold out on us Tharg!! So cruel!
If only....
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyRj42dumw7GvXlzO5Rn92VOmtnh0ah1ZF1oxGe9ix90-WeIiY1g)
Lets wait and see!
Quote from: SneakeeX on 07 December, 2010, 01:27:54 PM
http://twitter.com/2000ADonline/statuses/12101699632107521 (http://twitter.com/2000ADonline/statuses/12101699632107521)
Anderson first picture on the way. Hope they release it soon....
Thanks for the updates CraveNoir, I've been following your page relgiously these past months. I drop the odd comment there on your blog.
Edit: I see its old news on the Anderson pic looking a page back...but what a carrot to hold out on us Tharg!! So cruel!
The tweet was only made two hours ago.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 December, 2010, 01:14:44 PM
I know that some of Prime Focus' VFX footage of the city has been screened for the cast and crew.
Really? Must've missed that..
They were indeed shooting in town, as I swang by on my way home to say hi to the missus.. Extra's are a strange, strange breed..
Quote from: Teivion on 07 December, 2010, 01:28:49 PM
If only....
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyRj42dumw7GvXlzO5Rn92VOmtnh0ah1ZF1oxGe9ix90-WeIiY1g)
Lets wait and see!
Ha.. that's interesting..
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 December, 2010, 01:14:44 PMand not featured in broad daylight with lingering close-ups of the fluffy dice.
No fluffy dice pics? DREDD MOVIE FAIL.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 December, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 December, 2010, 01:14:44 PMand not featured in broad daylight with lingering close-ups of the fluffy dice.
No fluffy dice pics? DREDD MOVIE FAIL.
Maybe Justice Department prefers those scented trees instead. :D
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 December, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 December, 2010, 01:14:44 PMand not featured in broad daylight with lingering close-ups of the fluffy dice.
No fluffy dice pics? DREDD MOVIE FAIL.
Fluffy Dice like John Calibers Avatar :D
Would it be a spoiler if I say "Garfield"? :D
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 December, 2010, 01:52:01 PMWould it be a spoiler if I say "Garfield"? :D
*Extrapolates wildly*
WHAT DO YOU MEAN KARL URBAN HAS BEEN FIRED AND REPLACED BY A WRYLY WISECRACKING BILL MURRAY?
Arrrrggghhhh!
What I don't understand is why people are judging the look of the film based on candid backstage photos taken by folks who may have only been extras.
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 07 December, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
What I don't understand is why people are judging the look of the film based on candid backstage photos taken by folks who may have only been extras.
I agree, the pic's of the sets and vans look great and will look completely different in the context of the finished film. It has already been stated that they want a gritty, realistic and hard edged feel/look to the film and I believe this achieves that 100%. It does appear as this thread goes on with all the lovely snippets of info (thanks Altered States, much appreciated) and pic's (thanks to those for posting up) that this is lending itself to an Origin's style movie which if true is GREAT!!, as this was never really explored properly in Stallone's 95 version. Although intially sceptical of the costume, which I now feel is more in keeping with the style from when Dredd first made his appearance as well as a base to start from, I now think it looks GREAT!! I believe their intention has always been to make more than the one movie which gives the costume, vehicles and story itself so much scope to evolve all these things in the following prequels.
I just can't wait for the finished film to come out so I can rush to my local cinema and watch it over and over :)
Not quite.. Meant in the vans.. Fuzzy dice, garfield in the window.. Never mind.. Joke's gotten old..
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 07 December, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
What I don't understand is why people are judging the look of the film based on candid backstage photos taken by folks who may have only been extras.
Wow... have you never read the internet before? :D
I'm with you tho. I got making of books FULL of pics that look rubbish compared to how stuff appeared onscreen.
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 07 December, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
What I don't understand is why people are judging the look of the film based on candid backstage photos taken by folks who may have only been extras.
Because so far those photos are all we
have to judge the film on.
Quote from: doggettX on 07 December, 2010, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 07 December, 2010, 01:27:54 PM
http://twitter.com/2000ADonline/statuses/12101699632107521 (http://twitter.com/2000ADonline/statuses/12101699632107521)
Anderson first picture on the way. Hope they release it soon....
Thanks for the updates CraveNoir, I've been following your page relgiously these past months. I drop the odd comment there on your blog.
Edit: I see its old news on the Anderson pic looking a page back...but what a carrot to hold out on us Tharg!! So cruel!
The tweet was only made two hours ago.
Time moves fast on the forum when there is news about.
I hope we get to see her character picture in the next day or two, bit of a killer to be tweeting about it and not producing the goods.
Put us out of our misery Tharg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X20XIg38GcE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X20XIg38GcE)
I think this explains everything perfectly clearly. I think LOVE will out in it's conclusion. But, you've got to understand the mentality behind the whole speech. We want our dolly, and we're very impatient, for the booty. ;)
Quote from: SneakeeX on 07 December, 2010, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: doggettX on 07 December, 2010, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 07 December, 2010, 01:27:54 PM
http://twitter.com/2000ADonline/statuses/12101699632107521 (http://twitter.com/2000ADonline/statuses/12101699632107521)
Anderson first picture on the way. Hope they release it soon....
Thanks for the updates CraveNoir, I've been following your page relgiously these past months. I drop the odd comment there on your blog.
Edit: I see its old news on the Anderson pic looking a page back...but what a carrot to hold out on us Tharg!! So cruel!
The tweet was only made two hours ago.
Time moves fast on the forum when there is news about.
I hope we get to see her character picture in the next day or two, bit of a killer to be tweeting about it and not producing the goods.
Put us out of our misery Tharg.
Yeah, I'm hoping for something awesome by the end of the day.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 December, 2010, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: Teivion on 07 December, 2010, 01:28:49 PM
If only....
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Lets wait and see!
Ha.. that's interesting..
Ah ha! Do you mean 'that's interesting' as in 'that's close to the actual movie Lawmaster design'?
Did I have a post deleted??
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 07 December, 2010, 05:19:57 PM
Did I have a post deleted??
Funny you say that one of my posts just went missing off another thread! :o
Anyone remember the Lawmasters being drawn like that some time around the 600s? (Doug Braithwaite art.)
(http://www.reverttosaved.com/junk/db-lawmaster.jpg)
I always liked that design.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 07 December, 2010, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 07 December, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
What I don't understand is why people are judging the look of the film based on candid backstage photos taken by folks who may have only been extras.
Because so far those photos are all we have to judge the film on.
And you shouldnt judge something until its finished.I am as guilty as the next though and people are going to make judgements wether anyone else likes it or not and short of moderators removing comments theres nothing anyone can do about it.
Quote from: radiator on 07 December, 2010, 11:54:55 AM
...and suddenly this thread is interesting again!
Exciting developments... Hope we get the Anderson pic soon. Dec 2011 release would be great - what a Christmas present that would be! Wonder if they'll do an IMAX run?
That would be brilliant, but I don't see it happening in the UK after the Watchmen debacle. Basically we've only got two IMAX cinemas (Glasgow and Manchester I think) and the Glasgow one won't show anything above a 12A for commercial reasons. The reason they gave for not showing Watchmen was that they can just keep showing the latest family friendly movie for an extra month instead. It's pretty annoying, especially as the Glasgow IMAX is part of the science centre so funded by our taxes as far as I'm aware.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 07 December, 2010, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 07 December, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
What I don't understand is why people are judging the look of the film based on candid backstage photos taken by folks who may have only been extras.
Because so far those photos are all we have to judge the film on.
What film?, it hasn't been made yet to judge, it's still only a production at this stage.
I hope all those doom-mongers and nay-sayers eat their harsh words come next winter.
I'm not saying the movie will be an outright success because nobody knows.What I am saying is that we ought to count ourselves lucky that they're making another movie in the first place.
I wish everyone who bleats would please rein it in until they see some actual official shots/footage. It really gets me down when you hear tired responses to out of context photos. Isn't it any wonder that our community is sometimes ridiculed when a percentage get uppity over nothing?
Please give it a chance for Gods sake - I just want to watch the film regardless of how 'shitty the cars' look , and I'm willing to bet most of us here do as well.
Now - where the hell is that Anderson picture??????
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 06:38:19 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 07 December, 2010, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 07 December, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
What I don't understand is why people are judging the look of the film based on candid backstage photos taken by folks who may have only been extras.
Because so far those photos are all we have to judge the film on.
What film? It hasn't been made yet to judge, it's still only a production at this stage.
Exactly! Which is why we only have photos, and presumably why everyone's working themselves into such a lather over them in the absence of any other tangible stuff.
Quote from: strontium71 on 07 December, 2010, 06:40:01 PM
Isn't it any wonder that our community is sometimes ridiculed when a percentage get uppity over nothing?
Who is ridiculing "our community", does someone actually care what we think, are we noticed?
Sorry , I should have been clearer - I mean the average persons view of comic fans.
Personally I really don't care , I'm proud to be a geek!
You do get those typical comments -YAWN- when you mention that you 'still' read comics.
Can't say.. You know the rules...
Oh, on the geek thing.. Geeks get to design cool stuff for movies and get to laugh at the kids who bullied them in school that are now stacking shelves at asda.. I'm quite happy to be a geek..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 December, 2010, 07:21:08 PM
Oh, on the geek thing.. Geeks get to design cool stuff for movies and get to laugh at the kids who bullied them in school that are now stacking shelves at asda.. I'm quite happy to be a geek..
Damn straight.
I make things up in my head, I write them down, and people give me money.
Funny people talking about naysayers yet 95% of comments I've seen have been positive?!
There's nothing I've seen that scares me yet..but the small few who are slightly concerned have as much right as anyone to voice their opinion..it's a forum after all
That and the fact I think I speak for us all in that we hope it will be a great film and a roaring success leading to the two sequels mooted
If it wasn't for geeks, we would not be discussing this film on the internet.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 December, 2010, 07:22:14 PM
I make things up in my head, I write them down, and people give me money.
You're a f****ng banker now?!?
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 December, 2010, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 December, 2010, 07:22:14 PM
I make things up in my head, I write them down, and people give me money.
You're a f****ng banker now?!?
Why yes, I am a- oh hold on...
banker...
Quote from: strontium71 on 07 December, 2010, 06:40:01 PM
Please give it a chance for Gods sake - I just want to watch the film regardless of how 'shitty the cars' look , and I'm willing to bet most of us here do as well.
Everyone is going to give it a chance as they will ALL pay to watch it on the opening night or very soon after and i cant imagine anyone who is a fan not going to see it even if they are a bit non-plussed about what they have seen so far even if it is out of context or whatever.
I have criticised this or that but i have no idea what to expect of the finished film and thats the surprise and i am not put off.
*
Some people do need to learn to not be overly affected by others comments that they dont agree with or dont like for whatever reason.Just let it all wash over you as its just chatter and there is enough positive comment to balance out the negative comment anyways.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 07 December, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
Everyone is going to give it a chance as they will ALL pay to watch it on the opening night or very soon after and i cant imagine anyone who is a fan not going to see it even if they are a bit non-plussed about what they have seen so far even if it is out of context or whatever.
Not being deliberately contrary Peter- but I WON'T be going to see Dredd at the cinema. Firstly, I only go to the cinema on very special occassions, to see things that I really want to see (or if my wife kicks me out for the evening so she can do girlie stuff), or when I go with my service users. Since my guys are now independent and can go on their own, that particular avenue is no longer there.
The Dredd movie (from the script and the pics we've seen) is a straightforward action flick. I don't go in for action movies, in general, and certainly never pay to see them. So I'll wait for DVD rental, or when I can buy it very cheaply.
SBT
EDIT: If Dredd was a 'PG' or a '12A', I'd take my kids to see it. As it is- probably a '15'- it'll pass me by.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 07 December, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: strontium71 on 07 December, 2010, 06:40:01 PM
Please give it a chance for Gods sake - I just want to watch the film regardless of how 'shitty the cars' look , and I'm willing to bet most of us here do as well.
Everyone is going to give it a chance as they will ALL pay to watch it on the opening night or very soon after and i cant imagine anyone who is a fan not going to see it even if they are a bit non-plussed about what they have seen so far even if it is out of context or whatever.
I have criticised this or that but i have no idea what to expect of the finished film and thats the surprise and i am not put off.
*
Some people do need to learn to not be overly affected by others comments that they dont agree with or dont like for whatever reason.Just let it all wash over you as its just chatter and there is enough positive comment to balance out the negative comment anyways.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 December, 2010, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 07 December, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
Everyone is going to give it a chance as they will ALL pay to watch it on the opening night or very soon after and i cant imagine anyone who is a fan not going to see it even if they are a bit non-plussed about what they have seen so far even if it is out of context or whatever.
Not being deliberately contrary Peter- but I WON'T be going to see Dredd at the cinema. Firstly, I only go to the cinema on very special occassions, to see things that I really want to see (or if my wife kicks me out for the evening so she can do girlie stuff), or when I go with my service users. Since my guys are now independent and can go on their own, that particular avenue is no longer there.
The Dredd movie (from the script and the pics we've seen) is a straightforward action flick. I don't go in for action movies, in general, and certainly never pay to see them. So I'll wait for DVD rental, or when I can buy it very cheaply.
SBT
EDIT: If Dredd was a 'PG' or a '12A', I'd take my kids to see it. As it is- probably a '15'- it'll pass me by.
I dont go to the cinema very often these days either or hardly ever but i might make an exception for this but i usually watch at home instead.Its half the price and you can do what you like and watch it again.
I shouldnt have been that specific by saying everyone will go to the cinema and should have said all the fans will pay to watch it one way or another but if you have a narrow criteria of what films you will or wont watch then thats something else that no one else can comment on.
Not sure why posts might have gone walkies from the logs - gimme a shout if it happens again :-\
It's all well and good to have criticism over these plain photo's of props yet to be tarted up, but when you get people saying the likes of "oooo look at how shit those vans are, the movies is going to be utter crap". Now that bugs me. A few on this thread have said things on these lines.
To make assumptions on a few non descript photo's seems utterly absurd. Give it a chance they have only just started filming.
V
There's a very wide gap between a few pics and a fully realised movie... but on the basis of a few pics there's nothing to force me out of the complete apathy I've felt since the movie was announced. A bit of a shame, but nevermind.
Regards
Robin
Quote from: vzzbux on 07 December, 2010, 08:57:31 PM
It's all well and good to have criticism over these plain photo's of props yet to be tarted up, but when you get people saying the likes of "oooo look at how shit those vans are, the movies is going to be utter crap". Now that bugs me. A few on this thread have said things on these lines.
To make assumptions on a few non descript photo's seems utterly absurd. Give it a chance they have only just started filming.
V
I posted one of those type of comments myself but i am not defending that type of thing or if a comment is just blatantly rude or inconsiderate or whatever.
There are probably better places than this to post this is complete shit type comments.
Quote from: Robin Low on 07 December, 2010, 08:58:02 PM
There's a very wide gap between a few pics and a fully realised movie... but on the basis of a few pics there's nothing to force me out of the complete apathy I've felt since the movie was announced. A bit of a shame, but nevermind.
We understand Robin, age can do that to a man.
You can't tell how good a book is going to be just by reading the first page. A few shots of props and a photo of a stunt guy in rehearsals doesn't spell doom for Dredd.
Still another year, at least, to go.
I'm optimistic and genuinely exited about the film and I'm very much looking forwards to sitting down with my popcorn, drink, maybe some nachos with jalapeños, with my 3D glasses on to enjoy Dredd. As it should be. At the cinema.
But that's just my personal preference. ;)
QuoteDamn straight.
I make things up in my head, I write them down, and people give me money.
:lol:
If it'll calm everyone down, on the day I was on set, all vehicles other than the Lawmasters were very much background..
I personally go to 9am mid week shows if I can. Can't stand the texting masses that go to the movies to kill time during shopping.
They could gimmick the 3D glasses with a Dredd visor shape.
Something like the ones the head of the Wally Squad wore in the first Low life story.
V
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 December, 2010, 09:19:53 PM
If it'll calm everyone down, on the day I was on set, all vehicles other than the Lawmasters were very much background..
With
Anderson imminent, the calm won't last.
Fuck calmness, I want a Block War.
I'm with Rowdy Yates Block! Who you fighting with?
Quote from: vzzbux on 07 December, 2010, 09:27:33 PM
They could gimmick the 3D glasses with a Dredd visor shape.
Give that droid a promotion.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 December, 2010, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 07 December, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
Everyone is going to give it a chance as they will ALL pay to watch it on the opening night or very soon after and i cant imagine anyone who is a fan not going to see it even if they are a bit non-plussed about what they have seen so far even if it is out of context or whatever.
Not being deliberately contrary Peter- but I WON'T be going to see Dredd at the cinema. Firstly, I only go to the cinema on very special occassions, to see things that I really want to see (or if my wife kicks me out for the evening so she can do girlie stuff), or when I go with my service users. Since my guys are now independent and can go on their own, that particular avenue is no longer there.
The Dredd movie (from the script and the pics we've seen) is a straightforward action flick. I don't go in for action movies, in general, and certainly never pay to see them. So I'll wait for DVD rental, or when I can buy it very cheaply.
SBT
EDIT: If Dredd was a 'PG' or a '12A', I'd take my kids to see it. As it is- probably a '15'- it'll pass me by.
I think it's a shame that you have chosen already not to see Dredd at the cinema purely on the premise of what you have read of the script and the pic's you have seen thus far. I feel that this current production deserves a lot more credit than that. I really don't believe with the input of John Wagner, Jock and others that the finished article will be just a 'straight forward action flick', and I think at this very early stage it's a little unfair to pass it off as such.
This production is in VERY capable hands and I am REALLY looking forward to seeing it in all it's glory as only a cinema can deliver. :)
If I was so disinterested in going to see the new Dredd film, I certainly wouldn't be posting comments about it a full year before it's released.
Seriously? You're not going to see it? Incredible...
Has to be said, even if this was a sequel to the '95 effort, with more Stallone, i'd still be front of the queue to see it! :)
Although i will admit that i'm not 100% sold on this yet (currently running at about 92%!) i still reckon this movie will kick ass on a phenomenal scale!
The current nay-saying is quite baffling to me :(
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 December, 2010, 09:19:53 PM
If it'll calm everyone down, on the day I was on set, all vehicles other than the Lawmasters were very much background..
With Anderson imminent, the calm won't last.
This board is gonna go bonkers when she arrives ! :D
Calm down dear, its just a forum
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jCtQBPsvASY/S1tImOmmNII/AAAAAAAACSQ/FjvHSZLNhNA/s400/winner.jpg)
I knew the first movie was going to suck as soon as they announced the casting of Stallone. From that point on I avoided anything to do with the movie and refused to discuss or even think about it very much it until it actually came out. This approach worked absolute wonders for my sanity in the meantime.
For those who have already written this movie off might I suggest (merely suggest, mind you, before I get a torrent of comments about trying to censor people's opinions) taking a similar approach. I'm almost certain it will work similar wonders for your sanity as it did for mine the first time around.
Quote from: Woolly on 07 December, 2010, 09:44:09 PM
Has to be said, even if this was a sequel to the '95 effort, with more Stallone, i'd still be front of the queue to see it! :)
I can't get behind that.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 07 December, 2010, 09:44:09 PM
Has to be said, even if this was a sequel to the '95 effort, with more Stallone, i'd still be front of the queue to see it! :)
I can't get behind that.
I would.
Desperate hope would make me want to see it.
nay-saying? :lol: I'm equally baffled by the optimism others here have. I'm about 12% sold on it. I want this to be a great movie as much as anyone else here does. I just haven't seen anything yet to convince me otherwise. But this is just my opinion. They must be doing something right with the props as so many of you seem in raptures over what we have seen so far. Time will tell... in the meantime I'm enjoying the diversity in opinion here and find it interesting that we are seeing differing viewpoints. I'd have to say there seem to be some over in the 'positive' camp who would rather the 'nay-sayers' kept their opinions to themselves! :lol: Perhaps it has been the Scojo experience which has scarred you all?
Quote from: doggettX on 07 December, 2010, 09:57:29 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 07 December, 2010, 09:44:09 PM
Has to be said, even if this was a sequel to the '95 effort, with more Stallone, i'd still be front of the queue to see it! :)
I can't get behind that.
I would.
Desperate hope would make me want to see it.
Some people are masochists I s'pose.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 07 December, 2010, 09:44:09 PM
Has to be said, even if this was a sequel to the '95 effort, with more Stallone, i'd still be front of the queue to see it! :)
I can't get behind that.
It's a bit much for me, too. Sequel to '95? More Stallone? Wait for DVD rental? Not so sure... probably wait until somebody stuck the whole shebang up on youtube more likely.
Quote from: minus on 07 December, 2010, 09:58:43 PMnay-saying? :lol: I'm equally baffled by the optimism others here have. I'm about 12% sold on it.
Each to his own. Your cup is half empty (Actually 88% empty to be precise), mine is half full. Hopefully when the thing comes out and I've actually seen it, I'll be able to say my cup runneth over.
Quote from: minus on 07 December, 2010, 09:58:43 PM
nay-saying? :lol: I'm equally baffled by the optimism others here have. I'm about 12% sold on it. I want this to be a great movie as much as anyone else here does. I just haven't seen anything yet to convince me otherwise. But this is just my opinion. They must be doing something right with the props as so many of you seem in raptures over what we have seen so far. Time will tell... in the meantime I'm enjoying the diversity in opinion here and find it interesting that we are seeing differing viewpoints. I'd have to say there seem to be some over in the 'positive' camp who would rather the 'nay-sayers' kept their opinions to themselves! :lol: Perhaps it has been the Scojo experience which has scarred you all?
Speaking as someone who has worked now and again on films in the past and works as a professional
editor, I have the experience to say that seeing props and sets in the cold light of a bland photo gives no indication of what a film will be like on-screen as a story or as an experience. Even the plain b & w text of a script will give you a better "visual" idea of how things will turn out than a handful of candid snaps.
Please can we have less of the hyperbole/lies of people being in "raptures" as I don't see that as being the case with anyone here, we're a sober lot generally, until the weekend.
Please can we have less of the hyperbole/lies of people being in "raptures" as I don't see that as being the case with anyone here, we're a sober lot generally, until the weekend.
A sense of humour wouldn't go astray either
I don't share SBT's pessimism about the project (having as yet no grounds to do so), but I completely understand his having no interest in seeing an adaptation of a favourite comic, particularly if it appears to be taking a direction he doesn't care for. I still haven't seen Watchmen, despite loving the comic more than is strictly healthy, and I have absolutely no interest in doing so. I regret ever having seen the Stallone movie - if nothing else it put my wife off Judge Dredd (the comic strip) forever. I'm hoping her bestial lust for Karl Urban will change matters there.
Quote from: minus on 07 December, 2010, 10:11:25 PM
A sense of humour wouldn't go astray either
You mean I should put a few smilies at the end of sentences when my jokes aren't funny by themselves. ;)
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 December, 2010, 10:12:53 PM
I don't share SBT's pessimism about the project (having as yet no grounds to do so), but I completely understand his having no interest in seeing an adaptation of a favourite comic, particularly if it appears to be taking a direction he doesn't care for. I still haven't seen Watchmen, despite loving the comic more than is strictly healthy, and I have absolutely no interest in doing so. I regret ever having seen the Stallone movie - if nothing else it put my wife off Judge Dredd (the comic strip) forever. I'm hoping her bestial lust for Karl Urban will change matters there.
Maybe you can get one of those Dredd Halloween uniforms (costumes) -mooted in the podcast for next year- and a 3 day growth on your chin. 2012, the year of the
Sex Olympics at your house TB.
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 December, 2010, 10:12:53 PM...bestial lust...
Now that phrase really takes me back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mllcxRCqlg
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 10:16:21 PM
2012, the year of the Sex Olympics at your house TB.
It is true that sort of thing only happens about once every four years around here.
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 December, 2010, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 10:16:21 PM
2012, the year of the Sex Olympics at your house TB.
It is true that sort of thing only happens about once every four years around here.
plus you're dope tested afterwards and stripped of your dignity.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 07 December, 2010, 09:51:55 PM
For those who have already written this movie off might I suggest (merely suggest, mind you, before I get a torrent of comments about trying to censor people's opinions) taking a similar approach. I'm almost certain it will work similar wonders for your sanity as it did for mine the first time around.
I tried that myself and lasted about 1 week but if everyone was honest they would say that they enjoyed reading the comments and posting comments regardless of them being positive or negative.I find having a sense of humor helps as well and i might as well admit that when i saw the ambulance i laughed.I was lying in the bath thinking about it and i started laughing and i dont mean in a snidey taking the piss kind of way but the comments about it looking like an ice cream van didnt help.
I'm liking the low-fi look of those pictures-they've got a real Mad Max/Escape From New York/Robocop vibe which is no bad thing.
For all those criticising, what are after all, just sneaked on set pictures it's worth considering that all the state of the art effects(for a 90's film) didn't stop the previous Dredd film from being a major disappointment.
As for not going to the cinema to see it. I can't understand someone who purports to be a fan and presumably reads the comic would not want to see it on the big screen.
Hmm...some people seem to have unrealistic expectations of what can be achieved with $45million. This an independently financed British production not Avatar.
I didn't exactly jump with joy when I saw the trucks in the photos but I am intrigued by the prospect of a near-future Mad max / Escape from New York style version of Dredd. It's a perfectly valid reinterpretation of the concept that will meet the budget and surprise a mainstream audience who probably only know Dredd from the 1995 disaster.
I'd say a lot more can be achieved than was achieved in '95 especially by the very fact there's no Hollywood douchebag claiming his $20 million cut or out-of-his-depth director.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 07 December, 2010, 10:26:45 PM
I tried that myself and lasted about 1 week but if everyone was honest they would say that they enjoyed reading the comments and posting comments regardless of them being positive or negative.I find having a sense of humor helps as well and i might as well admit that when i saw the ambulance i laughed.I was lying in the bath thinking about it and i started laughing and i dont mean in a snidey taking the piss kind of way but the comments about it looking like an ice cream van didnt help.
Great. Not only do I get lambasted because I don't particularly intend to go see a movie, despite really liking the comic (a bit like I'm not particularly fussed about seeing most Stephen King adaptations despite King being my favourite writer and me being somewhat obsessive about his work) but now IF I DO, as soon as that icecreambulance appears on screen, I am guaranteed to suddenly get a sharp mental image-spike of Peter Wolf in the bath!
Quote from: dweezil2link=topic=30965.msg566787#msg566787 date=1291760805
As for not going to the cinema to see it. I can't understand someone who purports to be a fan and presumably reads the comic would not want to see it on the big screen.
"Purports"? "Presumably"? I've read it since prog one. Every week.
I'm not overly fussed about films. I prefer comics and books. I like some films- mostly horror- and if Dredd was an adaptation of Necropolis or Judgement Day, or even Cry of the Werewolf, I'd probably be a lot more excited. But Dredd, to me, is not a Die Hard/ Under Seige thing. Everything I love about the strip seems to have been purposefully removed from this adaptation, leaving behind something stripped down, "gritty", "realistic" and yes, "aimed at the wider audience" who probably like that sort of thing (Do they? I don't know). I'm not that "wider audience" at all. It just all looks very boring. Like the strip was when it all went awry in the nineties (and as a friend of mine has said) "Dredd just went after serial killers all the time".
SBT
Quote from: dweezil2 on 07 December, 2010, 10:41:18 PM
For all those criticising, what are after all, just sneaked on set pictures it's worth considering that all the state of the art effects(for a 90's film) didn't stop the previous Dredd film from being a major disappointment.
Nothing in the film could stop that from happening.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 December, 2010, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 07 December, 2010, 10:26:45 PM
but now IF I DO, as soon as that icecreambulance appears on screen, I am guaranteed to suddenly get a sharp mental image-spike of Peter Wolf in the bath!
SBT
Imagine that the bath was full with plenty of soap bubbles.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 December, 2010, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 07 December, 2010, 10:26:45 PM
I tried that myself and lasted about 1 week but if everyone was honest they would say that they enjoyed reading the comments and posting comments regardless of them being positive or negative.I find having a sense of humor helps as well and i might as well admit that when i saw the ambulance i laughed.I was lying in the bath thinking about it and i started laughing and i dont mean in a snidey taking the piss kind of way but the comments about it looking like an ice cream van didnt help.
Great. Not only do I get lambasted because I don't particularly intend to go see a movie, despite really liking the comic (a bit like I'm not particularly fussed about seeing most Stephen King adaptations despite King being my favourite writer and me being somewhat obsessive about his work) but now IF I DO, as soon as that icecreambulance appears on screen, I am guaranteed to suddenly get a sharp mental image-spike of Peter Wolf in the bath!
Quote from: dweezil2link=topic=30965.msg566787#msg566787 date=1291760805
As for not going to the cinema to see it. I can't understand someone who purports to be a fan and presumably reads the comic would not want to see it on the big screen.
"Purports"? "Presumably"? I've read it since prog one. Every week.
I'm not overly fussed about films. I prefer comics and books. I like some films- mostly horror- and if Dredd was an adaptation of Necropolis or Judgement Day, or even Cry of the Werewolf, I'd probably be a lot more excited. But Dredd, to me, is not a Die Hard/ Under Seige thing. Everything I love about the strip seems to have been purposefully removed from this adaptation, leaving behind something stripped down, "gritty", "realistic" and yes, "aimed at the wider audience" who probably like that sort of thing (Do they? I don't know). I'm not that "wider audience" at all. It just all looks very boring. Like the strip was when it all went awry in the nineties (and as a friend of mine has said) "Dredd just went after serial killers all the time".
SBT
What's wrong with gritty and realistic? Some of the best Dredd tales have been.
It's not like they're making a Power Rangers movie, is it?
What astounds me is that you've made some major assumptions from a few leaked photos.
Bizarre. :o
Pete Travis needs to be repeating in his dreams, "Dirty Harry in the future, Dirty Harry in the future over and over again!
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 December, 2010, 10:54:23 PM
I'm not overly fussed about films. I prefer comics and books. I like some films- mostly horror- and if Dredd was an adaptation of Necropolis or Judgement Day, or even Cry of the Werewolf, I'd probably be a lot more excited. But Dredd, to me, is not a Die Hard/ Under Seige thing. Everything I love about the strip seems to have been purposefully removed from this adaptation, leaving behind something stripped down, "gritty", "realistic" and yes, "aimed at the wider audience" who probably like that sort of thing (Do they? I don't know). I'm not that "wider audience" at all. It just all looks very boring. Like the strip was when it all went awry in the nineties (and as a friend of mine has said) "Dredd just went after serial killers all the time".
I'd actually say that the Dredd film script/synopsis is more like 95% of traditional weekly stories than something as uneven and drawn out as the the very
90's, bad era,
Judgement Day. "Dredd" isn't Die hard, it's just something that was said for marketing purposes in a press release, it's movie jargon for those who know nowt about Dredd.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 07 December, 2010, 11:02:24 PM
What's wrong with gritty and realistic? Some of the best Dredd tales have been.
It's not like they're making a Power Rangers movie, is it?
What astounds me is that you've made some major assumptions from a few leaked photos.
Bizarre. :o
Not just a few photos. The script. Everything I'm dissappointed with is there in the script. From the very first description of the city, my heart sunk. These photos are absolutely right for the movie- as the script plays out. It's the tone. It's all there in 'Peach Trees'. It's not a Dredd that I recognise. I'm not saying the strip hasn't been like this from time to time- though I'd argue it's never been particularly "gritty" or "realistic"- but it's not the version of Dredd I want to see.
But others may do. And that's fine. Maybe we'll get the stuff I like in the sequels.
SBT
I'd hold out, you may be surprised SBT.
[spoiler]The very first description in the script of Mega City One is in no way contradictory to the comic so I don't know where you get that idea.[/spoiler]
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 December, 2010, 11:16:21 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 07 December, 2010, 11:02:24 PM
What's wrong with gritty and realistic? Some of the best Dredd tales have been.
It's not like they're making a Power Rangers movie, is it?
What astounds me is that you've made some major assumptions from a few leaked photos.
Bizarre. :o
Not just a few photos. The script. Everything I'm dissappointed with is there in the script. From the very first description of the city, my heart sunk. These photos are absolutely right for the movie- as the script plays out. It's the tone. It's all there in 'Peach Trees'. It's not a Dredd that I recognise. I'm not saying the strip hasn't been like this from time to time- though I'd argue it's never been particularly "gritty" or "realistic"- but it's not the version of Dredd I want to see.
But others may do. And that's fine. Maybe we'll get the stuff I like in the sequels.
SBT
And I've read enough of the script to come to a completely different conclusion.
Funny thing opinions. :)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 11:07:21 PM
I'd actually say that the Dredd film script/synopsis is more like 95% of traditional weekly stories than something as uneven and drawn out as the the very 90's, bad era, Judgement Day. "Dredd" isn't Die hard, it's just something that was said for marketing purposes in a press release, it's movie jargon for those who know nowt about Dredd.
I used the Judgement Day reference just because it's zombies. I will see anything with zombies in it. Judgement Day would obviously be a very bad choice for film adaptation- be it Dredd 1 or Dredd 27.
I've just deleted a long thing I wrote about why I don't like the script- largely because I still maintain the official Rebellion forum is not the place to be laying into it. However much I stress that I "wish the project the best of luck", some people will always see it as an attack.
SBT
Instead of Peach Trees is suppose some would prefer Dot Cotton Block.
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Legendary Mikky ;)
HAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Ah, I gotta hand it to you M.I.K!!! HAHAHA!!!! Still laughing over this!!!!
It's been interesting reading the reactions from everyone here just over a couple of pics That won't be in the final film. :lol:
Personally I'm just hoping for the best and holding off making any comments till I see actual film from the movie.
Somewhat strangely, we're being quoted on io9. Regrettably, scojo also makes it in there.
http://io9.com/5707763/judge-dredd-script-getting-mixed-early-buzz (http://io9.com/5707763/judge-dredd-script-getting-mixed-early-buzz)
edit: Actually, perhaps that's not scojo.
I hope that this film has a high percentage of fine coarse aggregate mixed in so that it has the required amount of grittiness and completely reflective of reality so that its realistic as well as being futuristic.I want it to reflect reality in a realistic future in every detail so its completely realistic.I want to feel like i am on the streets of MC 1and not watching a film with completely convincing realistic gritty 3D picture quality.
Quote from: radiator on 08 December, 2010, 01:08:10 AM
Somewhat strangely, we're being quoted on io9. Regrettably, scojo also makes it in there.
http://io9.com/5707763/judge-dredd-script-getting-mixed-early-buzz (http://io9.com/5707763/judge-dredd-script-getting-mixed-early-buzz)
edit: Actually, perhaps that's not scojo.
Isn't Die Hard in a building...Die Hard ? :-*
Why does it say Die Hard in a building ??? Where else was it ?
'Die Hard in a building' is a comedic reference to something that I'm not familiar with.
The script I read could easily be a story in 2000ad.
They get the most important thing right: The Dredd character. I'm not going to get a coronary because the block isn't named after a celebrity or something minor like that.
Really my only complaint about the script is that I would have preferred an established PSI Judge Anderson who acted more like the character from the comics. It's not a deal breaker, though.
Quote from: wadew1 on 08 December, 2010, 03:30:58 AM
Really my only complaint about the script is that I would have preferred an established PSI Judge Anderson who acted more like the character from the comics. It's not a deal breaker, though.
I had a psi flash that you might see that in the psequel.
I must admit, we were very sceptical about certain things too. But being privvy to the bigger picture, with some experience in this job, I must say I'm looking forward to seeing it on screen. Which is not something that can be said about everything I've worked on. There are quite a few award winning British film makers at the helm, so please be patient.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 08 December, 2010, 06:50:02 AM
please be patient.
this
(I don't know how to put those up arrows in :-[)
MODEST is the key word for this movie (and enterprise).
A script with modest ambitions begats a movie with a modestly-famous cast and budget. It hopes to make a modest profit to plough into a modest sequel... and another.
And the sets, props and vehicles (cunningly designed to look like they wandered off the set of Hill Street Blues) can be used with little modification for ROBOCOP VS JUDGE DREDD, released in 2015, the oft-delayed return for the noble cyborg franchise. Rebellion get the (by now very cheap) license to market Robocop, which will assume Judge Dredd's place as the main strip in the Megazine (retitled ROBOCOP'S LOADED MAGAZINE). Two Robocop Vs Dredd spinoff novels (by Andrew Cartmel and Neil Gaiman) fail to impress.
Sleep well, Earthings....
Quote from: John Caliber on 08 December, 2010, 08:38:25 AM
Sleep well, Earthings....
You should pitch that as a Tharg's Terror Tale. The visuals alone, brrrr...
Tharg's Terror Tales will be replaced by ROBOCOP'S CASE FILES.
Around the same time, a series of reprints of the Marvel Comics Robocop comic series will be published in b/w in the classic Dredd Case Files format (with two tone cover and iffy reprint quality). Foreword by original writer Alan Grant who is revealed to also be penning the screenplay to Robocop V: THE SECOND COMING.
Sniffing the scent of profit, DC Comics International (now owned by Mark Miller & Jonathan Ross) finally purchases the 2000AD property from Rebellion and 'welds' 2000AD and ROBOCOP'S LOADED MAGAZINE by enforcing endless crossover events (beginning with BRAND NEW DROKKING DAY), with Dredd and Robocop continually meeting up in the shifting timestreams of New Detroit and MC1 to fight Mean Machine Junior, Xtreme Judge Death and COBALT (Officer Murphy and Anderson's lovechild-turned-vicious drug-dealer and psycho-surfer). Bigger Brrrrrr!
I read that as Robocop vs the Second Coming.
No, it's the sequel to Robocop IV: Versus Dredd which incidentally co-stars Matt Smith as the resurrected Chief Judge Far-Go (movie spelling), Sascha Baron Cohen as Maxx (movie spelling) Normalis and Matt Lucas as comic relief Mister McBurger, a sassy walking street advert who accidentally falls into the backseat of Robocop MK2's muscle car. Halfway through the movie, Robocop's legs are removed by a Banger Ganger's laser chainsaw, but the plucky cyborg instead wires himself into a Lawmaster and becomes a cent-law. Hershey accidentally shows her breasts (but she's on 'undercover' duty - or is it a cry for Dredd's affection? The message boards go wild with debate). A smashing 3D movie packed with everything movie-makers imagine comic book fans love.
Where's that Anderson pic aye?
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 December, 2010, 10:22:20 AM
Where's that Anderson pic aye?
If you use your precog powers you will see it.
She's bald! And got implants!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 December, 2010, 10:49:37 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 December, 2010, 10:48:11 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 December, 2010, 10:22:20 AM
Where's that Anderson pic aye?
If you use your precog powers you will see it.
My God! She's nekkid!
And why is she on her knees ?
Whoa!
:-[
This really is gonna be an 18 cert....
Quote from: doggettX on 08 December, 2010, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 December, 2010, 10:49:37 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 December, 2010, 10:48:11 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 December, 2010, 10:22:20 AM
Where's that Anderson pic aye?
If you use your precog powers you will see it.
My God! She's nekkid!
And why is she on her knees ?
Whoa!
:-[
This really is gonna be an 18 cert....
DOing what women always do to me in that position.
Vomiting.
Whatever turns you on, Richard! ;)
Quote from: John Caliber on 08 December, 2010, 12:23:47 PM
Whatever turns you on, Richard! ;)
"Richard"? Oooh, he ain't gonna like that!
Alrite guys, Im one of the design droids here at the Nerve Centre. I rarely post on here but thought id just give you guys a heads up on stuff...
Yesterday, myself and the rest of the team got to check out some shots from the Dredd movie.
1. Anderson looks great. Yes, she's blonde... (and hot)
2. Bikes look cool.
3. Judges look AWESOME! (and the helmets aren't oversized). Infact the entire Judge outfit looks spot on in my opinion.
You probably knew all of this anyway...
Now we have seen these pics, we are even more excited than we where before! DNA and co are doing a great job and we cant to see more stuff. Bare with us, im sure more pics will be released soon.
Quote from: R1F4 on 08 December, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
Alrite guys, Im one of the design droids here at the Nerve Centre. I rarely post on here but thought id just give you guys a heads up on stuff...
Yesterday, myself and the rest of the team got to check out some shots from the Dredd movie.
1. Anderson looks great. Yes, she's blonde... (and hot)
2. Bikes look cool.
3. Judges look AWESOME! (and the helmets aren't oversized). Infact the entire Judge outfit looks spot on in my opinion.
You probably knew all of this anyway...
Now we have seen these pics, we are even more excited than we where before! DNA and co are doing a great job and we cant to see more stuff. Bare with us, im sure more pics will be released soon.
Great to hear from another design artist. Look forward to the pics but don't overdo it. Keep us hungry!
The main aspect of these 'off-camera' photos I dislike is that they are the first views of the movie, and because of their informal nature the worst advertisement possible for the project. I was very surprised that our first look at Judge Dredd was a blurry, darkened image and not the good Judge, head to foot, with his Lawmaster in the background. The only image we have of Karl Urban looks like a crazed fan costume-maker loitering by the exit, waiting for his chance to trap Urban in a net and take him back to his shed to torture him over uniform 'inconsistencies'. I am under the impression that the CGI cityscapes are in production, so why was a composite shot not assembled?
With a fan-base as dedicated as we are, promotional images have to handled very carefully to set the record straight from the very get-go.
Why a composite shot wasn't assemebled?
It no doubt will be for actual promotional images, let alone the finished movie.
The recently leaked pictures are spyshots, snapped by some jackass on the shooting location when they weren't filming anything, and then leaked on the internet. These pictures would never have been released officially as they are fit for spreading FUD only, which is all they are doing.
Yeah, the released picture of Dredd wasn't the best one. They could have done better.
But the subsequent leaked set pics can't be pinned on the production.
Quote from: John Caliber on 08 December, 2010, 01:02:18 PM
The main aspect of these 'off-camera' photos I dislike is that they are the first views of the movie, and because of their informal nature the worst advertisement possible for the project. I was very surprised that our first look at Judge Dredd was a blurry, darkened image and not the good Judge, head to foot, with his Lawmaster in the background. The only image we have of Karl Urban looks like a crazed fan costume-maker loitering by the exit, waiting for his chance to trap Urban in a net and take him back to his shed to torture him over uniform 'inconsistencies'. I am under the impression that the CGI cityscapes are in production, so why was a composite shot not assembled?
With a fan-base as dedicated as we are, promotional images have to handled very carefully to set the record straight from the very get-go.
Well hopefully they will learn from this. Part of their tight budget should have been spent on releasing some decent shots of Urban in uniform. Actually, a single shot released early on in the piece would have been enough.
Some of the best films were made by people with their backs to the wall.
Quote from: R1F4 on 08 December, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
Alrite guys, Im one of the design droids here at the Nerve Centre. I rarely post on here but thought id just give you guys a heads up on stuff...
Yesterday, myself and the rest of the team got to check out some shots from the Dredd movie.
1. Anderson looks great. Yes, she's blonde... (and hot)
2. Bikes look cool.
3. Judges look AWESOME! (and the helmets aren't oversized). Infact the entire Judge outfit looks spot on in my opinion.
You probably knew all of this anyway...
Now we have seen these pics, we are even more excited than we where before! DNA and co are doing a great job and we cant to see more stuff. Bare with us, im sure more pics will be released soon.
Glad someone from the towers came in and poured some riot foam on the situation. I feel some are basing Judgement on some minor vehicle pictures and we need to wait for more information.
I feel the negative minority are getting more of the publicity and are causing damage, ok we have opinions but c'mon wait till there is more pictures and information to base judgement on.
The critical date will be April when the teaser/trailer will be released.
Glad it is looking good according to you, I trust your opinion and of course John Wagner's opinion who is 100% behind it and has a double Carlos thumbs up.
It would be good to release a few more pictures and get people to calm down.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 08 December, 2010, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: R1F4 on 08 December, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
Alrite guys, Im one of the design droids here at the Nerve Centre. I rarely post on here but thought id just give you guys a heads up on stuff...
Yesterday, myself and the rest of the team got to check out some shots from the Dredd movie.
1. Anderson looks great. Yes, she's blonde... (and hot)
2. Bikes look cool.
3. Judges look AWESOME! (and the helmets aren't oversized). Infact the entire Judge outfit looks spot on in my opinion.
You probably knew all of this anyway...
Now we have seen these pics, we are even more excited than we where before! DNA and co are doing a great job and we cant to see more stuff. Bare with us, im sure more pics will be released soon.
Glad someone from the towers came in and poured some riot foam on the situation. I feel some are basing Judgement on some minor vehicle pictures and we need to wait for more information.
I feel the negative minority are getting more of the publicity and are causing damage, ok we have opinions but c'mon wait till there is more pictures and information to base judgement on.
The critical date will be April when the teaser/trailer will be released.
Glad it is looking good according to you, I trust your opinion and of course John Wagner's opinion who is 100% behind it and has a double Carlos thumbs up.
It would be good to release a few more pictures and get people to calm down.
I agree, please don't be put off this production purely by images that have been released thus far. We all have high expectations of this movie and I personally feel with so many important people (Wagner, Jock etc) contributing to this, fans and non fans alike will NOT be dissapointed. It's all to easy to get carried away with any pic's that we see, leaked or not. If we have patience and remain positive we will be rewarded soon enough with 'Official' pic's from the movie. April can't get here quick enough as i'm dying to see the trailer, I know it's gonna be AWESOME!! :)
Being supportive of this production as well as patient is the key issue here as i'm sure the guys behind the scenes are working their as**s off to make this movie the best it can be! Keep up the good work everyone who is working on this, you have my support 110%!!
Have you got your ticket Judge Palmer?
Oh yes CF, got my weekend ticket safely tucked away, I take it you have yours?
Indeed I have, I look forward to seeing you there :wave:
Trust me, (and this is one of the first scenes) when we see Dredd [spoiler]speeding through the streets on his Lawmaster recieving *ITEM* bulletins from Control informing him of trouble at Wulf Sternhammer block as he fires his bike cannons into the back of a speeding car filled with perps, out of their heads on Slo-Mo, firing back at him[/spoiler], we'll all be grinning like silly bastards.
Relax. This is going to be good.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 08 December, 2010, 02:41:46 PM
Indeed I have, I look forward to seeing you there :wave:
Ok John, see you there!
I'm there.....you are going to have to go and see it in the cinema to see it in it's true 3D glory.
It might be fine to watch it on 2D DVD/BluRay but won't simply do it justice.
Will DREDD be the first proper filmed 3D movie to be released?? I'm aware of movies being '3D-ed' afterwards. Will this be released as a 3D only movie with no 2D offers.
I think any self respecting fan should be there and support it and if it does well we can surely see another sequel or even another Rebellion property hitting the screen in the future.
DREDD is in the perfect position to do well. The fact is the 3D element makes it difficult to pirate, this will in turn force people to go and see it in its proper glory.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 08 December, 2010, 02:58:16 PM
I'm there.....you are going to have to go and see it in the cinema to see it in it's true 3D glory.
It might be fine to watch it on 2D DVD/BluRay but won't simply do it justice.
Will DREDD be the first proper filmed 3D movie to be released?? I'm aware of movies being '3D-ed' afterwards. Will this be released as a 3D only movie with no 2D offers.
I think any self respecting fan should be there and support it and if it does well we can surely see another sequel or even another Rebellion property hitting the screen in the future.
DREDD is in the perfect position to do well. The fact is the 3D element makes it difficult to pirate, this will in turn force people to go and see it in its proper glory.
Avatar was full 3d (if shit)
and people will just pirate the 2d offering
Quote from: R1F4 on 08 December, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
Alrite guys, Im one of the design droids here at the Nerve Centre. I rarely post on here but thought id just give you guys a heads up on stuff...
Yesterday, myself and the rest of the team got to check out some shots from the Dredd movie.
1. Anderson looks great. Yes, she's blonde... (and hot)
2. Bikes look cool.
3. Judges look AWESOME! (and the helmets aren't oversized). Infact the entire Judge outfit looks spot on in my opinion.
You probably knew all of this anyway...
Now we have seen these pics, we are even more excited than we where before! DNA and co are doing a great job and we cant to see more stuff. Bare with us, im sure more pics will be released soon.
Thank Christ! Someone actually in the know to poor scorn on all the ridiculous assumptions!
Sanity is restored!
Script question:
Spoliers obviously.
[spoiler]In the script there was lots of effin', has a script revision seen it off to be replaced by Dreddworld future swearing?[/spoiler]
Quote from: James Stacey on 08 December, 2010, 03:03:06 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 08 December, 2010, 02:58:16 PM
I'm there.....you are going to have to go and see it in the cinema to see it in it's true 3D glory.
It might be fine to watch it on 2D DVD/BluRay but won't simply do it justice.
Will DREDD be the first proper filmed 3D movie to be released?? I'm aware of movies being '3D-ed' afterwards. Will this be released as a 3D only movie with no 2D offers.
I think any self respecting fan should be there and support it and if it does well we can surely see another sequel or even another Rebellion property hitting the screen in the future.
DREDD is in the perfect position to do well. The fact is the 3D element makes it difficult to pirate, this will in turn force people to go and see it in its proper glory.
Avatar was full 3d (if shit)
and people will just pirate the 2d offering
Sorry I meant "real" live based rather than nearly all Green screen and full CGI like Avatar.
I realise for DREDD there will be CGI inserts and effects but the majority of scenes will be set based and not CGI generated.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 December, 2010, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: R1F4 on 08 December, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
Alrite guys, Im one of the design droids here at the Nerve Centre. I rarely post on here but thought id just give you guys a heads up on stuff...
Yesterday, myself and the rest of the team got to check out some shots from the Dredd movie.
1. Anderson looks great. Yes, she's blonde... (and hot)
2. Bikes look cool.
3. Judges look AWESOME! (and the helmets aren't oversized). Infact the entire Judge outfit looks spot on in my opinion.
You probably knew all of this anyway...
Now we have seen these pics, we are even more excited than we where before! DNA and co are doing a great job and we cant to see more stuff. Bare with us, im sure more pics will be released soon.
Thank Christ! Someone actually in the know to poor scorn on all the ridiculous assumptions!
Sanity is restored!
100% Agree.
Quote from: James on 08 December, 2010, 03:25:32 PM
Script question:
Spoliers obviously.
[spoiler]In the script there was lots of effin', has a script revision seen it off to be replaced by Dreddworld future swearing?[/spoiler]
The leaked script you're referring to is the only one that people outside the production have seen so we don't know if there have been any changes.
Grud on a greenie...
Stil no Anderson pic.
My thoughts on the new film still wading in after read all the posts so far;
- Mention that the Judge's outfits are spot on according to the comic - but there are obviously differences in the still we've seen, so is Urban wearing some 'prior' riot-gear before he puts on other more 'Judge-ly' gear? Just a thought. Anyhow I'd say the gear is an improvement on 95 Dredd - no cod pieces on the outside of the crotch - But no Eagle shoulder plate?
- I always wondered about the judges uniform i.e. padding/body armour - the judges unform in the strips is quite minimalistic. they appear to be pursuing a more more realistic-biker cops of the 22nd century-approach for the movie. The helmet seems like a more recent/older dredd i.e. bigger, wheras Urban's left armpad is more early Dredd. And you can't go wrong if you remain faithful to the lawgiver conceptually! I still prefer navy blue and that earthy green for the lower pads.
- I agree with the man who said 'knee pads and fat tyres are my only concern' - and I'm quite sure Urban - although he wouldn't be my first choice for the role of Dredd - can pull it off. the actress playing Anderson would not be my choice either, I would have gone for Chlow Sevigny maybe, with Olyphant for Dredd.
- I can't fault the badge - I loved the posted comparison pics of the dredd badges.
Loved those pics of the movie badges side by side!!!
- As for the speculative script, I'm sure they'll remain faithful to the source; however I'd like less matrix gunshot/watchmen slo mo fight sequences, I want Dredd to be more like Dirty Harry= in real time, walking straight to the scene of the disturbance and dealing with it.
- I'm intrigued as to the other judges in the movie e.g. mentions of lex, Chan, anderson,...will Giant be in there? Fargo? Minty? Plus I'm also thinking there'll be a star trek 2009 theme i.e. stories of andersons origins from the acadamy of law and then under dredds dirty harry-esque tutelage. - i.e. 'MAD MAX DREDD FORCE'
- Of course I'm also interested in who the main nemeses will be.!!
- I'd love people to post more concept art that was done for the movie - as was done in the lead-up to the Watchmen movie.
- like the idea of dredd visor shape 3d glasses!
Just a note - there's tooo fine a line between speculation and spoilers - specualation can be answered by spoilers if the speculator (is that a word lol)seeks them.
Perhaps those who do not wish to discuss spoilers or speculate can avoid this thread as people do in the doctor who forums - though they try and seperate speculation from spoilers as well. spoilers can be blacked out and not viewed.
I just add this note as I wouldnt mind seeing more spoilers on here.
I was pretty horrified seeing those trucks as they are yesterday morning but I dunno what happened. Was thinking about it last night and just kept thinking about Escape From New York and how well it works as a low-budget dystopian future by showing you virtually next to nothing. Think this might all be alright. Guess what reassured me was driving to work this morning and seeing the LAPD 'ghetto-bird' circling in the distance and thinking even if they use helicopters as H-Wagons for the movie, it'll work okay...
Plus I keep forgetting Dredd was originally set in the 2070s and as frightening as it is to the six year old who read his older brother's 2000ads (for Flesh, naturally!) in 1977, 2070's not that fucking far away now, is it...? Pretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Quote from: blackmocco on 08 December, 2010, 05:09:33 PM
I was pretty horrified seeing those trucks as they are yesterday morning but I dunno what happened. Was thinking about it last night and just kept thinking about Escape From New York and how well it works as a low-budget dystopian future by showing you virtually next to nothing. Think this might all be alright. Guess what reassured me was driving to work this morning and seeing the LAPD 'ghetto-bird' circling in the distance and thinking even if they use helicopters as H-Wagons for the movie, it'll work okay...
Plus I keep forgetting Dredd was originally set in the 2070s and as frightening as it is to the six year old who read his older brother's 2000ads (for Flesh, naturally!) in 1977, 2070's not that fucking far away now, is it...? Pretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Agree. I resisted commenting on the pics of the vehicles from the supposed assumed movie - I guess there could be an early feel, i.e. early hovercars etc but also old fashioned suped up vehicles. But - I hasten to add I've a relative 'newcomer' to dredd - in the earliest strips of Dredd, arnt there hover cars and skyways and so on???
Quote from: blackmocco on 08 December, 2010, 05:09:33 PMPlus I keep forgetting Dredd was originally set in the 2070s and as frightening as it is to the six year old who read his older brother's 2000ads (for Flesh, naturally!) in 1977, 2070's not that fucking far away now, is it...? Pretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Mm. Just in the 30ish years 2000 AD has been around, tech has gone in a completely different direction to what was imagined. Our robots are pretty dumb, but we have massively powerful computers in phones, along with the internet. Cars aren't flying; in fact, they're likely to get smaller and simpler as we try to conserve resources.
Quote from: thelawgiver on 08 December, 2010, 05:26:17 PM
Quote from: blackmocco on 08 December, 2010, 05:09:33 PM
I was pretty horrified seeing those trucks as they are yesterday morning but I dunno what happened. Was thinking about it last night and just kept thinking about Escape From New York and how well it works as a low-budget dystopian future by showing you virtually next to nothing. Think this might all be alright. Guess what reassured me was driving to work this morning and seeing the LAPD 'ghetto-bird' circling in the distance and thinking even if they use helicopters as H-Wagons for the movie, it'll work okay...
Plus I keep forgetting Dredd was originally set in the 2070s and as frightening as it is to the six year old who read his older brother's 2000ads (for Flesh, naturally!) in 1977, 2070's not that fucking far away now, is it...? Pretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Agree. I resisted commenting on the pics of the vehicles from the supposed assumed movie - I guess there could be an early feel, i.e. early hovercars etc but also old fashioned suped up vehicles. But - I hasten to add I've a relative 'newcomer' to dredd - in the earliest strips of Dredd, arnt there hover cars and skyways and so on???
They did, but when the strip started it was already a fair bit into Dredd's career was it not? In flashback stuff like Origins everything is a bit more near future (for the most part). In that stuff you really do get the impression of the Judges as a pretty young concept, without a full grip on the city yet, which seems to be what this movie is going for. Given that, I'm perfectly happy to see more realistic vehicles. And reckon there will be something more exciting about seeing them careering around the Meg in all their actual-real-car-glory than if it was a bunch of CG hovering around.
Plus Dredd is set in a post apocalyptic future-so I doubt everyone will be driving around in Audi RSQ's.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 December, 2010, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: Robin Low on 07 December, 2010, 08:58:02 PM
There's a very wide gap between a few pics and a fully realised movie... but on the basis of a few pics there's nothing to force me out of the complete apathy I've felt since the movie was announced. A bit of a shame, but nevermind.
We understand Robin, age can do that to a man.
Sadly, I think that's precisely the problem. I remember bouncing round like an idiot for the last movie, and the Batman crossovers, but now I can quite easily wait a few weeks before picking up my Progs from WHSmith. Long gone are the days of Friday night excitement, coming home from school, picking up the Prog from the newsie, and curling up in an armchair with a cup or tea and two pork pies to read it.
Regards
Robin
nobody has said the trucks are the judges... justice dept could cover a lot including police as they were in the earlier strips the judges being seen as an elite force when the cops didnt cut it?
pleease more reliable pics and any news on dreddy figures? an r/c lawmaster?
Don't think there's any other force but the Judges mentioned in the script.
Quote from: Krombasher on 08 December, 2010, 02:00:23 PM
Some of the best films were made by people with their backs to the wall.
Oo-err, do carry on.
Quote from: Krombasher on 08 December, 2010, 02:00:23 PM
Some of the best films were made by people with their backs to the wall.
They let homophobes make films?
I was thinking, more, Schindler's List, than Frankie Boyle's version of the Green Mile. :|
Quote from: Krombasher on 09 December, 2010, 12:10:45 AM
I was thinking, more, Schindler's List, than Frankie Boyle's version of the Green Mile. :|
More like Frankie Howerd's!
Quote from: blackmocco on 08 December, 2010, 05:09:33 PMPretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Very likely there will not be anything close to flying cars until somebody figures out a sustainable way to fuel them. Flying (at least the getting up in the air part) requires a LOT more energy than travelling along the ground.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 09 December, 2010, 08:37:26 AM
Flying (at least the getting up in the air part) requires a LOT more energy than travelling along the ground.
I know. You have to flap your arms
really fast.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47680 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47680)
Ugh...those assholes over AIC.com are having a feeding frenzy on the pictures of the vehicles.
Cue references to Stallones Dredd and Robocop..I really hate the people on that site. You really don't want to look at the comments but you end up doing so and leave the site feeling dirty. Clearly the people have no idea what they are talking about seeing as Robocop was based on Dredd to a certain degree. People there are looking for another Stallone type version???!!
Jay and Silent Bob had the right idea for them >:(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjWFZPJZTxU&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjWFZPJZTxU&feature=fvsr)
Those comments aren't so bad. There are much, much more ignorant and venomous on other boards, such as for instance comicbookmovie.com
As myself and a few others have said along, spyshots are bad. Always.
How anyone could speak in defensive of spyshots in general is beyond me.
No good will ever come of them, as they are only fit to spread FUD and consequent negative hype. And that is precisely what is happening here.
The a$$hole who took those pictures and leaked them has done the production a great disservice.
Quote from: norse_sage on 09 December, 2010, 11:03:43 AM
Those comments aren't so bad. There are much, much more ignorant and venomous on other boards, such as for instance comicbookmovie.com
I'm glad I came here then. I don't think I could handle such criticism..
Good choice.
This board, the imdb board (with it's ten or so posters) and the SSH board (with fewer posters still) are really the only places where there is some voice of rationality and actual discussion between the madness. In so far as I have seen, the commenters on AICN, Latinoreview, Comicbookmovie and other blogs are dominated by people who all the sudden became fans of the Stallone movie after seeing the pics that should never have been gotten out, stupidly thinking what they see is what they'll get.
I have my doubts about IMDB...
Quote from: norse_sage on 09 December, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
Good choice.
This board, the imdb board (with it's ten or so posters) and the SSH board (with fewer posters still) are really the only places where there is some voice of rationality and actual discussion between the madness.
What's the SSH board? Do you mean SHH (Superhero Hype?)
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 08 December, 2010, 05:32:52 PM
They did, but when the strip started it was already a fair bit into Dredd's career was it not? In flashback stuff like Origins everything is a bit more near future (for the most part). In that stuff you really do get the impression of the Judges as a pretty young concept, without a full grip on the city yet, which seems to be what this movie is going for. Given that, I'm perfectly happy to see more realistic vehicles. And reckon there will be something more exciting about seeing them careering around the Meg in all their actual-real-car-glory than if it was a bunch of CG hovering around.
Very good point, I completely missed that point there. In that case I love the prescence of the 'old fashioned-future' vehicles, and maybe that accounts for the alterations in the Judge's uniform as well i.e. not to far in the future and just before the Dredd Comic begins. Doesn't that mean Dredd is supposed to be in his late 20s though...was Dredd 33 or something in those early strips?
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 09 December, 2010, 08:37:26 AM
Quote from: blackmocco on 08 December, 2010, 05:09:33 PMPretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Very likely there will not be anything close to flying cars until somebody figures out a sustainable way to fuel them. Flying (at least the getting up in the air part) requires a LOT more energy than travelling along the ground.
I think electromagnetism will be the key.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 09 December, 2010, 10:55:23 AM
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47680 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47680)
Ugh...those assholes over AIC.com are having a feeding frenzy on the pictures of the vehicles.
Cue references to Stallones Dredd and Robocop..I really hate the people on that site. You really don't want to look at the comments but you end up doing so and leave the site feeling dirty. Clearly the people have no idea what they are talking about seeing as Robocop was based on Dredd to a certain degree. People there are looking for another Stallone type version???!!
There will always be critics when it comes to adaptations but you can't really criticise something just because they didn't make it the way you wanted it made. There will always be arseholes on the web because it flippant and easy. Criticism must take something on it's own terms and how well an idea is executed. It's not really about matters of taste. If you want to see a Dredd film your way, make it youself. The
Minty crew did.
Quote from: thelawgiver on 09 December, 2010, 03:16:31 PM
...was Dredd 33 or something in those early strips?
Yes he was, you could construe that Dredd in his 20's in the new film but it doesn't really matter.
If anyone watched Wallace and Gromit's world of invention last night, they would know that; firing a laser that's 4 times hotter than the surface of the sun, against itself, within a contraption, will propel the saucer like flying objects which will change the face of travel as we know it. Due for a full showing about 2025. And once the big guys a perfected. They only have to turn it down for individual transportations. :)
He's late 20's... when he meets Anderson then?
Isn't it all a bit vague how old he actually is as he grew up in a tank
He's physically five years older than he is chronologically. Although then you've got to factor in the post-Necropolis rejuve job which probably knocked a decade back off again.
In Origins the long held "born at 5" was refined to clones emerging at "roughly age five or six".
2066 - Dredd is born, accelerated cloning makes him effectively 5/6 years old.
2070 - Atomic Wars. Dredd gets first taste of the streets in "Origins"
2079 - Dredd graduates at 18/19.
2080 - Anderson born.
2099 - First Dredd story in 2000ad. He's 38/39.
2102 - First appearance of Anderson and Judge Death
2132 - Now. Assuming rejuve takes off a decade, he's running around like a 61/62 year-old.
That pairs up well with Anderson being 19 when she appears for grading and Dredd being a futuristic 40ish.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 December, 2010, 03:20:32 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 09 December, 2010, 10:55:23 AM
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47680 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47680)
Ugh...those assholes over AIC.com are having a feeding frenzy on the pictures of the vehicles.
Cue references to Stallones Dredd and Robocop..I really hate the people on that site. You really don't want to look at the comments but you end up doing so and leave the site feeling dirty. Clearly the people have no idea what they are talking about seeing as Robocop was based on Dredd to a certain degree. People there are looking for another Stallone type version???!!
There will always be critics when it comes to adaptations but you can't really criticise something just because they didn't make it the way you wanted it made. There will always be arseholes on the web because it flippant and easy. Criticism must take something on it's own terms and how well an idea is executed. It's not really about matters of taste. If you want to see a Dredd film your way, make it youself. The Minty crew did.
Not sure if you mistook me for being critical of the pictures. I'm supporting whatever vision the director and DNA have in mind for it once the finished movie turns out to be good and loyal to the Dredd character. The vehicle pictures to be honest initially put me off a small bit, but I'm not judging it now unlike the AIC.com people. I'm reserving judgement and I'm already to go and see it. Reading what other people believe this to be early Dredd years does make sense and the vehicles would make sense.
Just wanted to clear that up Joe Soap
Quote from: SneakeeX on 09 December, 2010, 10:55:23 AM
Clearly the people have no idea what they are talking about seeing as Robocop was based on Dredd to a certain degree. People there are looking for another Stallone type version???!!
Check out the special features on the 2-disc Robocop DVD in regards to 'certain degree'. Seriously. There's a maquette being sculpted in one of the stills and it's literally Dredd.
Actually, here it is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97531199@N00/4524587533/
As for AICN, I wouldn't pay too much heed. They're all haters of everything new. Guess it's easy to have a bold and controversial opinion typing from the safety of Mummy's basement...
Quote from: thelawgiver on 09 December, 2010, 03:16:31 PMQuote from: Mark Taylor on 09 December, 2010, 08:37:26 AM
Quote from: blackmocco on 08 December, 2010, 05:09:33 PMPretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Very likely there will not be anything close to flying cars until somebody figures out a sustainable way to fuel them. Flying (at least the getting up in the air part) requires a LOT more energy than travelling along the ground.
I think electromagnetism will be the key.
Airships.
Surely using the same principles as a helicopter would be the easiest way to create a flying car.
There may also be other ways to do this that i dont know about including top secret R+D and surpressed Anti-gravity technology if it exists.I dont know if it does as its not my area of interest.
Health and saftey would never allow a flying car.
Instead of breaking down and pulling over to the side, you'll break down and fall on someones house.
Quote from: blackmocco on 09 December, 2010, 05:33:02 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 09 December, 2010, 10:55:23 AM
Clearly the people have no idea what they are talking about seeing as Robocop was based on Dredd to a certain degree. People there are looking for another Stallone type version???!!
Check out the special features on the 2-disc Robocop DVD in regards to 'certain degree'. Seriously. There's a maquette being sculpted in one of the stills and it's literally Dredd.
Actually, here it is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97531199@N00/4524587533/
As for AICN, I wouldn't pay too much heed. They're all haters of everything new. Guess it's easy to have a bold and controversial opinion typing from the safety of Mummy's basement...
Blimey! You're right the head on the maquette/sculpture is Dredd for sure. Goes to show they were working on Dredd before it was scrapped and they started on Robocop. Great insight pic, thanks for sharing :)
I think the comments about this film looking like or being another Robocop was because of the similarity to the vans in the pictures and the OMNICorp police vehicles in Robocop as there definately is a similarity in them which is noticable and its what i thought of the second i saw them.
Quote from: doggettX on 09 December, 2010, 06:38:11 PM
Health and saftey would never allow a flying car.
Instead of breaking down and pulling over to the side, you'll break down and fall on someones house.
Surely the same could be said about planes?
Quote from: George Moore on 09 December, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
Quote from: doggettX on 09 December, 2010, 06:38:11 PM
Health and saftey would never allow a flying car.
Instead of breaking down and pulling over to the side, you'll break down and fall on someones house.
Surely the same could be said about planes?
Difference is, getting a pilot's license is just a little more challenging than an ordinary driving test. With flying cars you'd end up with a sky full of idiots dropping their cars on people's houses.
After takinga cursory look at the new pics, I still don't think there's a whole lot to get any kind of accurate idea of how the movie will look.
I mean, I HOPE we don't get something with the visual style of Children Of Men (somebody mentioned that movie earlier) - mostly because I hated that movie with a vengeance, but also because I thought it looked crap.
I see evidence of some real design ethic at work here though, so whatever happens, it ought to be interesting. Snippets I hear about the story sound pretty appealing, so at least that offers some hope.
Since the Judge's vehicle of choice is the Lawmaster, and since reportedly this movie is mostly Dredd & Anderson in the thick of it in the city, I don't think we'll see much of these vehicles in the movie.
That said, indeed they aren't impressive, but I'll withhold judgement of course.
Pumped for this movie, baby!
Quote from: HdE on 09 December, 2010, 10:06:55 PM
I mean, I HOPE we don't get something with the visual style of Children Of Men (somebody mentioned that movie earlier) - mostly because I hated that movie with a vengeance, but also because I thought it looked crap.
Visually, it was meant to look "crap", it was dystopian and everyone had given up. Technically and craft-wise I don't think you can criticise it as bad work.
That's a fair point, and it IS just my opinion. (I hated Children Of Men on every imaginable level.)
But... I can't say as I'd be overly excited at the prospect of a Judge Dredd movie with the same visual tone. I'd certainly expect any movie featuring the character to be better than that. By a LONG mile.
What was crap about the "look" of Childen of men?
Quote from: HdE on 09 December, 2010, 11:24:52 PM
That's a fair point, and it IS just my opinion. (I hated Children Of Men on every imaginable level.)
But... I can't say as I'd be overly excited at the prospect of a Judge Dredd movie with the same visual tone. I'd certainly expect any movie featuring the character to be better than that. By a LONG mile.
I think what you mean is the JD film should be a bit more removed from reality than Children Of Men but i can sse it happening because its budget restrictions that are forcing the film to be more grounded in reality because there isnt the budget to create elaborate sets and props etc so i can see why the "gritty" and "Realistic" look has been chosen for that reason because its cheap and easy.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 09 December, 2010, 08:03:18 PM
Quote from: George Moore on 09 December, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
Quote from: doggettX on 09 December, 2010, 06:38:11 PM
Health and saftey would never allow a flying car.
Instead of breaking down and pulling over to the side, you'll break down and fall on someones house.
Surely the same could be said about planes?
Difference is, getting a pilot's license is just a little more challenging than an ordinary driving test. With flying cars you'd end up with a sky full of idiots dropping their cars on people's houses.
Thats a bit simplistic.
You dont get that many planes falling out of the sky when you take into consideration that its difficult to get a pilots licence because surely if you have passed the flying test you would be competent or else what would be the point in having it ?
That argument doesnt add up and the only thing that does is that if you have a skyful of flying cars then accidents involving flying cars would increase percentage wise by default if there is a ten or fifty fold increase in air traffic but if everyone was a competent flying driver then in theory you wouldnt have any more flying accidents than road accidents percentage wise roughly speaking .I say that because there are different factors to consider than road driving.
The air traffic accident increase because of the increased air traffic would stop the idea getting off the ground but i am arguing against that being caused by stupidity alone and partly because i have nothing better to do or that its a delaying tactic to avoid what i should be doing right now.
The roads arent completely full of morons so why should the sky be completely full of morons ?
Yeah, but current road accidents don't accupy my flat while I'm asleep. I can chose to cross the road safely but I can't dodge a car that lands on my bed at 4am. Do you really want people flying a ton of metal over your house while applying make-up or updating their Facebook? Because that's what'll happen.
Quote from: SAJse on 10 December, 2010, 01:02:58 AM
Yeah, but current road accidents don't accupy my flat while I'm asleep. I can chose to cross the road safely but I can't dodge a car that lands on my bed at 4am. Do you really want people flying a ton of metal over your house while applying make-up or updating their Facebook? Because that's what'll happen.
Obviously you would have flight paths and restrictions on flying over built up areas and that type of thing but i wasnt making an argument for the idea of flying cars being workable.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 10 December, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
I think what you mean is the JD film should be a bit more removed from reality than Children Of Men but i can sse it happening because its budget restrictions that are forcing the film to be more grounded in reality because there isnt the budget to create elaborate sets and props etc so i can see why the "gritty" and "Realistic" look has been chosen for that reason because its cheap and easy.
Nailed it! That's a better way of expressing it than I could have come up with.
By way of answering Joe Soap's question of the back of that, I think the biggest reason why I don't want the new Dredd movie to look like Children Of Men is that the other movie gave me a certain kind of viewing experience that I don't enjoy. I was watching a movie that looked like it could have been a documentary at times. So yes, I definitely don't want that from the new Dredd.
I have certain issues with the use of terms like 'gritty realism' in connection with Judge Dredd. The strip certainly works on a dramatic level as some of the storylines from the last few years have capably demonstrated. But I also appreciate the broad streak of fantasy that runs through it - personal vehicles zip through the air. Roads are crammed with trundling mobile homes. People dress like freaks.There's advertisements everywhere.
It remains to be seen exactly how the new movie will convey all that. I'm struggling right now witht he notion that the Big Meg won't look like the Mega City of the comics. But if the movie is engaging, I can pretty much forgive anything.
Remember this has Anderson in it. A Judge who combats crime using her psychic powers.
That's part of the reason why I think the 'must be realistic' path is a bit odd, when you have a telepath, or the conceit that you never see Dredd's face, or the very accurate helmet, but a much more realistic take on the rest of the uniform.
I'm just unsure what direction they're going, and why they made certain choices.
There's "realistic" sci-fi, or as we like to call it... hard sci-fi. That's fun to say. HARD. You can have hard sci-fi with psychics.
I do like my Dredd to be stylized and somewhat over-the-top, but hey, I'm looking forward to seeing how they do it for the movie.
In all fairness to the vehicle wrangler, the vehicle they wanted to get for that role was absolutely, positively NOT available.. The vehicle in question is an awesome looking cash in transit van. The owners were unwilling to allow us to have any.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 10 December, 2010, 12:47:10 AMThe roads arent completely full of morons...
Well there I cannot agree, I see people do really stupid stuff every single day on my drive to work, which is along a stretch of motorway/bypass (such roads tend to bring out the worst in drivers). Admittedly actual accidents occur only relatively rarely (albeit with depressing regularity), but people routinely take extraordinary risks (endangering others as well as themselves) just to get a few seconds ahead. You also frequently see people chatting on their mobiles (no handsfree) whilst driving along at 70mph, eating their breakfast, or in the case of women almost as frequently putting on makeup. Whenever an accident does occur traffic proceeds to slow to a crawl... even in the opposite carriageway on account of all the rubbernecking.
Sometimes I hate people.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 December, 2010, 11:51:12 PM
What was crap about the "look" of Childen of men?
No, really, answer the man! If there's one film which blew me away with its visuals it was CoM. Not so gone on the plot, but the look of the thing was perfect.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 10 December, 2010, 03:35:05 AM
There's "realistic" sci-fi, or as we like to call it... hard sci-fi. That's fun to say. HARD. You can have hard sci-fi with psychics.
I'd put Dredd firmly into the dystopian camp, with some of the ethos of mundane. No, really! Call it future mundane;has MC1 really changed that much since it's inception? Well Ok,yes obviously, but I'm sticking to it, it's MY FEELING'S that count.
I'd also be very happy if it had the 'look' of CoM; that was some convincing shit that was (apart from the ending - fuckin over stated or what!).
M.
More location photos.
http://www.mania.com/gallery/126904/62334.jpg
Quote from: CraveNoir on 10 December, 2010, 03:49:37 PM
More location photos.
http://www.mania.com/gallery/126904/62334.jpg
Good find!
Oh yes...
(http://cdn-www.mania.com/content_pics/000006/29/62/bf3df1a4a9c5a7ed_large.jpg)
A Citi-Def poster!!!
A 'Hondo Style' noodle bar!!!
Kenny Who? Graffiti!!!
Fookin' great!
This makes me VERY HAPPY
(http://cdn-www.mania.com/content_pics/000006/27/62/7cb571d810dc31cc_large.jpg)
Aww man, it's looking like there's this New York mentality that echo's throughout the years! It may be Mega-City now but it's still Manhattan coastline at the bones.
CHECKING OUT THE TRADING PLACES< I wonder if they'll hint at off world farming, alien products, mustant or cursed earth activities in their management of the localised environments.
Sigh.. Useless security.. ::)
Desperately seeking my suggestion in John Wagner's competition for wall scrawls.
:(
No sign of any of the suggestions given on John's facebook competition thread so far. It does look good though.
Thanks CraveNoir.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 December, 2010, 04:05:17 PM
Sigh.. Useless security.. ::)
Wish the security was lighter for the Anderson and lawmaster pics :lol:
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 10 December, 2010, 03:58:12 PM
This makes me VERY HAPPY
(http://cdn-www.mania.com/content_pics/000006/27/62/7cb571d810dc31cc_large.jpg)
I like the 'Fattie Be Good in the background :lol:
Haha! 'Cream Of Munce' makes my skin crawl. These look great! Starting to get a much better vision of it all now and clearly it's, visually anyway, going to be a really unsettling and filthy version of MC-1. It almost always looks majestic in the comics. I'm really getting a sense of how shitty a job being a Judge is going to be in this version.
More interesting to me is the very first pic with the Judge silhouettes sprayed on the wall. Some mighty big pads there. Might just be to play them up for the graphic or maybe there's some more to the uniform than we've seen yet.
I like these pictures .. they make me happier than the last lot.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 December, 2010, 03:20:32 PM
If you want to see a Dredd film your way, make it youself. The Minty crew did.
I agree!
Quote from: Krombasher on 09 December, 2010, 03:31:13 PM
He's late 20's... when he meets Anderson then?
Exactly, he meets Giant when he's in his early 30s/late 20s, not anderson. I guess this could be an interpretive decision, as with the uniform. If that's the only slightly thing that's at odds with the strip, and they stay true to their script promise of being faithful, then it won't matter at all really.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 09 December, 2010, 04:30:23 PM
In Origins the long held "born at 5" was refined to clones emerging at "roughly age five or six".
2066 - Dredd is born, accelerated cloning makes him effectively 5/6 years old.
2070 - Atomic Wars. Dredd gets first taste of the streets in "Origins"
2079 - Dredd graduates at 18/19.
2080 - Anderson born.
2099 - First Dredd story in 2000ad. He's 38/39.
2102 - First appearance of Anderson and Judge Death
2132 - Now. Assuming rejuve takes off a decade, he's running around like a 61/62 year-old.
I'm sure your factually correct, but i wonder if they wrote up what dredd's age was and how he was born etc before the strip started and then intentially tried to misconstrue his age e.g. I'm sure in one of the very early strips that he said that he was '33' - I never reckoned that meant he could be physically a few years older and closer to 40. I wonder if they'll have Dredd do another rejuve age-back as he's knocking on 70 isnt he now (although he's not drawn that way quite often).
Quote from: blackmocco on 09 December, 2010, 05:33:02 PM
Check out the special features on the 2-disc Robocop DVD in regards to 'certain degree'. Seriously. There's a maquette being sculpted in one of the stills and it's literally Dredd.
Actually, here it is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97531199@N00/4524587533/
Thats hilarious. There's a bit of Alpha in there as well.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 10 December, 2010, 01:46:49 AM
Remember this has Anderson in it. A Judge who combats crime using her psychic powers.
I speculate that we'll get abit of anderson graduating law acadamy displaying psi powers at the forefront of that phenomena i.e. unexplored and as yet undefined, therefore dredd will be sidestepped and intrigued by a rookie displaying such powers.
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I'm loving the Kenny Who? graffiti.
Quote from: Emperor on 09 December, 2010, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: thelawgiver on 09 December, 2010, 03:16:31 PMQuote from: Mark Taylor on 09 December, 2010, 08:37:26 AM
Quote from: blackmocco on 08 December, 2010, 05:09:33 PMPretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Very likely there will not be anything close to flying cars until somebody figures out a sustainable way to fuel them. Flying (at least the getting up in the air part) requires a LOT more energy than travelling along the ground.
I think electromagnetism will be the key.
Airships.
zeppelins!
Quote from: George Moore on 09 December, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
Quote from: doggettX on 09 December, 2010, 06:38:11 PM
Health and saftey would never allow a flying car.
Instead of breaking down and pulling over to the side, you'll break down and fall on someones house.
Surely the same could be said about planes?
or handgliders, or microlights, or....zeppelins :)
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 10 December, 2010, 01:18:12 AM
Obviously you would have flight paths and restrictions on flying over built up areas and that type of thing but i wasnt making an argument for the idea of flying cars being workable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6pUMlPBMQA
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 December, 2010, 04:05:17 PM
Sigh.. Useless security.. ::)
Never a judge around when you want one ::)
Wow - those new set photos look great! You can really see John Wagner's input there... I'm just imagining how awesome the set will look after the layer of cgi detail they'll no doubt be applying to it.
One thing that jumped out is the Citi-Def posters. They're almost always played for laughs in the comics, but the idea of armed vigilante gangs roaming the streets is actually quite chilling.
Yeah, most of Dredd translated into reality is a pretty horrifying idea, for sure. Haha!
My favorite stand-alone panel from Dredd's from Block Mania where Dredd and his squad blast their way through the crazed Citi-Def to escape and then just ride their lawmasters over the flattened bodies. I remember thinking as I read it for the first time the callousness yet utter hilarity of the visual.
What's the legality of the Citi-Def?
Quote from: SneakeeX on 10 December, 2010, 04:10:32 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 December, 2010, 04:05:17 PM
Sigh.. Useless security.. ::)
Wish the security was lighter for the Anderson and lawmaster pics :lol:
All the security guards are hanging around Anderson...
Lucky bastards.
;)
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 10 December, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 10 December, 2010, 03:49:37 PM
More location photos.
http://www.mania.com/gallery/126904/62334.jpg
Good find!
Oh yes...
(http://cdn-www.mania.com/content_pics/000006/29/62/bf3df1a4a9c5a7ed_large.jpg)
Come to Milton Keynes.
;)
In the comic, you have the glittering jewel that becomes a craphole when you're up close (esp. when Cam Kennedy draws it); in Stallone's Dredd you had mucho shiny shiny; here... ugh. Shaping up to be a MC-1 you REALLY wouldn't want to live in.
Ooooh yet more pics to get excited about. Looking great still, I guess the fact that people are even sneaking pics out and they're getting spread around is a healthy sign regarding interest in the production. I can't wait for the official stuff really though.
Scratch that last question. No edit option.
E: But I can edit this post strangely enough.
Quote from: SAJse on 10 December, 2010, 05:56:06 PM
Scratch that last question. No edit option.
E: But I can edit this post strangely enough.
Think the edit is a timed thing, you only have the option for a couple of minutes or something.
I see one of the food options is 'Super Bean' a fanboy in joke there? Grant Morrison will be made up!
Lookin' good! I know that stencil is largely lifted from Jock's concept painting (as he pointed out on Twitter) but it's been tweaked to give us a bit more of an idea of the movie uniform.
Loads of Wagner touches, awesome, makes me a happy bunny.
Really can't wait to see a Lawmaster.
So then. What's the chances of the Anderson pic cropping up in the xmas Prog?
As far as the set photos go, I'm quietly hopeful that we'll be seeing a Low-Life/Pit style scummy Meg. Can't wait to see some official shots!
Now those are teh arsom. Munce! Citi-Def! Kenny Who! Yay!
Coughtoldyousocough..
Quote from: blackmocco on 08 December, 2010, 05:09:33 PM
I was pretty horrified seeing those trucks as they are yesterday morning but I dunno what happened. Was thinking about it last night and just kept thinking about Escape From New York and how well it works as a low-budget dystopian future by showing you virtually next to nothing. Think this might all be alright. Guess what reassured me was driving to work this morning and seeing the LAPD 'ghetto-bird' circling in the distance and thinking even if they use helicopters as H-Wagons for the movie, it'll work okay...
Plus I keep forgetting Dredd was originally set in the 2070s and as frightening as it is to the six year old who read his older brother's 2000ads (for Flesh, naturally!) in 1977, 2070's not that fucking far away now, is it...? Pretty sure we're actually NOT going to have flying cars by then...
Ooooooo you should go and post a welcome message (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/board,23.0.html) to stop me from derailing this thread ;)
Quoteyou have the glittering jewel that becomes a craphole when you're up close (esp. when Cam Kennedy draws it);
My thoughts exactly. Sunday Night Fever will always be the definitive MC1 for me.
yeah well... still not excited here. :( It all looks a bit cheap to me. Maybe I'm missing the point? Even the graffiti looks very old hat. Not sure if further photo's shall sway me otherwise. It appears to be on a trajectory which is unlikely to waver from what we have so far seen. Anyway, I'm sure my ticket sale loss and likely grumbling during the film wont be missed by anyone. I'll try keep an open mind. But I have this sinking feeling you get when you drop some acid and it does nothing after an hour!
Those images are very very out of context.. More so that the shots of the cars.
Quote from: minus on 10 December, 2010, 07:51:34 PM
I'll try keep an open mind. But I have this sinking feeling you get when you drop some acid and it does nothing after an hour!
And then it begins to slowly have an effect.......... :-\
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 10 December, 2010, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 10 December, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 10 December, 2010, 03:49:37 PM
More location photos.
http://www.mania.com/gallery/126904/62334.jpg
Good find!
Oh yes...
(http://cdn-www.mania.com/content_pics/000006/29/62/bf3df1a4a9c5a7ed_large.jpg)
Come MilKeyes.
;)
I saw this as a foreground with a massive structure behind it lit up like a Christmas tree. No sky, and after effects a plenty. Not everyone can see it though.
My opinion so far, which is no more important anyone else's but....
I can't fucking wait to see this film....
For no particular reason, I want to see that hot dog stand called "I Am The Slaw" :crazy:
Quote from: Martin Jameson on 10 December, 2010, 08:37:35 PM
My opinion so far, which is no more important anyone else's but....
I can't fucking wait to see this film....
Well said! ;)
Quote from: Darren Stephens on 10 December, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: Martin Jameson on 10 December, 2010, 08:37:35 PM
My opinion so far, which is no more important anyone else's but....
I can't fucking wait to see this film....
Well said! ;)
Hell yeah!!!
Interesting...
Check out the shoulder eagles on the Judges ;-)
(http://cdn-www.mania.com/content_pics/000006/25/62/77b4f6ceaa1bdfdc_large.jpg)
Quote from: Teivion on 10 December, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
Interesting...
Check out the shoulder eagles on the Judges ;-)
(http://cdn-www.mania.com/content_pics/000006/25/62/77b4f6ceaa1bdfdc_large.jpg)
Interesting indeed.
Looks to be a stensil recreation of one of Jock's pre-production sketches.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/mubhceeb/dredd100.jpg)
Quote from: Teivion on 10 December, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
Interesting...
Check out the shoulder eagles on the Judges ;-)
(http://cdn-www.mania.com/content_pics/000006/25/62/77b4f6ceaa1bdfdc_large.jpg)
heh its the star walk of fame :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 10 December, 2010, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: minus on 10 December, 2010, 07:51:34 PM
I'll try keep an open mind. But I have this sinking feeling you get when you drop some acid and it does nothing after an hour!
And then it begins to slowly have an effect.......... :-\
HAHAHA!!!! True! That has been known to happen. Nothing worse than the Chinese Lanterns turning out to be the cardboard striker cut from the side of a box of matches....
some great trainspottery going on here--in a good way!
I'd never have equated the stencil graffiti with the production art form the last movie
But you're right!
Quote from: johnnystress on 10 December, 2010, 11:26:49 PMI'd never have equated the stencil graffiti with the production art form the last movie
It's not from the last movie. That Jock artwork was done for fun just before he got signed up to do production art on the new movie (and was therefore rumoured to be genuine production art). It's good to see that it has found a place after all.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 11 December, 2010, 12:53:21 AM
did you use concept Art from the Stallone film for the background?
Because I see the Halls of Justice ''Eagle'' back there.
That was a poster by Greg Staples given away to subscribers a few years ago.
I haven't seen any of the environment art, but at I guess I'd say.
Something more third-world, wires strung between buildings, maybe dwellings bolted onto buildings, encrusting them, so the buildings narrow as they rise. Kind of like a favela bolted onto a skyscraper.
Maybe unfinished buildings, massive buildings where the money has simply run out.
It's what I'd do anyway for that kind of route.
Slum-scraper rather than skyscraper is how I imagine most of the Mega City.
Can our learned friend in South Africa hint at a possible choice of sound track for the movie, any news here? I was checking out some FSOL music sync'ed to visuals the other day and thought it may suit this grimmy vision of the future nicely.
Not a peep re the soundtrack.. I'll kep my ears open, if you'll forgive the horrible pun..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 December, 2010, 12:44:52 PM
Not a peep re the soundtrack.. I'll kep my ears open, if you'll forgive the horrible pun..
Bad pun. One hour in the iso-cubes.
Great set pic's, loving the details on the wall scrawling, posters and food bars! Looking forward too seeing these on the finished film, keep up the great work guys, i'm so impressed :D
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 December, 2010, 12:44:52 PM
Not a peep re the soundtrack.. I'll kep my ears open, if you'll forgive the horrible pun..
Thanks for the update kind Sir.
(http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr83/monkeyrobot01/Guru_Mog_Blog/Edmund_Woodward_Helmet_02_bucket.png)
Here's a much better look at what is probably the helmet being worn by Karl urban (or Paul Hampshire). This picture can be found on my blog post here: http://gurumog.tumblr.com/post/2173966870/dreddmoviehelmet (http://gurumog.tumblr.com/post/2173966870/dreddmoviehelmet) complete with an explanation as to where I found the photos.
Ooh! Nice!
Good find.
Looks even bigger on the bust... :o
Hats off to you Guru (excuse yet another bad pun here). Nice design work on the helmet and your sculpting is amazing.
Cool find!
That's odd, I thought Micheal you said you/Altered States did the helmets in S.A?
No-no, we DUPLICATED them here.. We got the original from London.
How many did you need to fabricate?
Coo-ell!
Oh - and just to clear up some potential confusion over my last post:
The movie Dredd helmet was sculpted up by Edmund Woodward and I found the photos during a google search. It is not my work!
I have made a Dredd helmet from scratch (see my avatar) and my blog covers how I did it - but that particular blog entry on the movie helmet at www.GuruMog.tumblr.com is referring to someone else's work!
...although...
...I would have happily made the movie props for, I imagine, a fraction of what Mr Woodward charged! :lol:
My blog has grown to cover all things Dredd... coz I love the Judge!
Quote from: Guru Mog on 11 December, 2010, 02:36:10 PM
Oh - and just to clear up some potential confusion over my last post:
The movie Dredd helmet was sculpted up by Edmund Woodward and I found the photos during a google search. It is not my work!
I have made a Dredd helmet from scratch (see my avatar) and my blog covers how I did it - but that particular blog entry on the movie helmet at www.GuruMog.tumblr.com is referring to someone else's work!
...although...
...I would have happily made the movie props for, I imagine, a fraction of what Mr Woodward charged! :lol:
My blog has grown to cover all things Dredd... coz I love the Judge!
i dont think the judge is that way inclined :lol:he wont love you back :lol:
I'd like to clear something up before I sound like I'm taking credit for stuff other people did..
I have my own design and vfx studio, Altered States. We work very closely with the fabrication company CFX. The way things work is that we end up doing the odd bit of fabrication from time to time. I have to bare in mind that if I design something I might have to actually build the damn thing. So CFX replicated 25 helmets.. I said 'we' because we regard ourselves as part of the same team. It's pretty cool, because besides designing stuff, we get to build stuff too..
Hey Mike, myself and Commando Forces were having a natter a while back about what calibre the Lawgiver is. In a lot of the comic depictions the MkII is drawn with a pretty big muzzle, .45 or .50 it looks like, the Judge Minty guys (from what I saw of the hero version at the Birmingham Comic Con) have gone for a much smaller round, looks like a 4.42, same as the MP7. What size of round did you envision when designing the movie Lawgiver? Which, incidentally, looks freakin' awesome.
Also, it's difficult to tell from the spy photo, but has the top slide got a dark green coating/anodising effect on it?
Thanks! I reckoned the thing would have a 9mm hollow point as a standard round, with sub munitions loaded onto the tip when called for. Looking at the story, each sub munition tip would probably have it's own smaller propellant drawn from it's payload, albeit sacrificing it's range and effectiveness. It would be electrically fired and wouldn't have a traditional firing pin per se. The weapon is, by the way, a complete scratch design, bar the grip and trigger, which are of the live firing weapon. It took a good 3 months of design and 2 of fabrication to get a near perfectly functioning prop made. We're all really really proud of it, especially as the fans like it too. As for the colour.. It's satin black all the way. The colour in the pic is ambient lighting..
Cheers Mike!
Michael, you have become a real asset to this place! Thanks so much for the tidbits. And good find, Guru Mog!
as johnny 5 says need more imput :lol: :'( :lol:
:lol:i think this is the cast fof the movie helmet :o
Lacks the ridges to either side of the respirator 'crest'. Protoype'd be my guess.
Yes, def.
Also, check the eye lines. The helmet nose ridge/v is directly in front of the line of site...
How's this then?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 December, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
How's this then?
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
I want one!
YEAH! Well done! That does indeed look good! If I had one of those, I wouldn't be taking the helmet off either! More photo's like this please!
I'll have one for 20!
I'm sure that the helmet is the correct size for practicality, it looks good from most angles. I just wonder if the design is just too close to the comic version. It would be good to see it moving around in some live footage.
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/12/Dredd-Helm-1.jpg)
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/8/2010/12/b57f57556f445c19bd102ef8fed8abf7/original.jpg)
Quote from: Cyclopz on 12 December, 2010, 05:35:28 AMI just wonder if the design is just too close to the comic version. It would be good to see it moving around in some live footage.
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You're a bit hard to please, aren't you?
As it is, it does look a little too big. I think the 25% reduction is too small though... it doesn't leave much room for the head. That photo of the row of helmets looked good, but I guess there weren't heads in them. Maybe it's Urban's head which is small? Just a thought. It could be worse... they could have just gone with crash helmets, some of that steel mesh they used on the Toyotas and the food stall, and a can of matt black spray paint.
You can't possibly begin to imagine how many cans of matt black paint we've gone through already..
I'd imagine it would be quite a few! I used to build props and do decor for raves here in Australia about 10 years ago. Went through a a load of chrome... and flouro! Surely you'd have used spray guns on those vans?
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You're a bit hard to please, aren't you?
I just found that 25% pic online BTW
I think the sculpt looks even bigger from the front, because it's lacking the neck brace, and the clay interior is making the face look even thinner, in a similar way to the shadow on the first released pic.
I still think it looks too large in general, but maybe it was just had to be like that to give enough padding for stunts etc.
Quote from: minus on 12 December, 2010, 06:57:00 AM
I'd imagine it would be quite a few! I used to build props and do decor for raves here in Australia about 10 years ago. Went through a a load of chrome... and flouro! Surely you'd have used spray guns on those vans?
They used a peel coat. Avis wants them back..
http://www.avis-vanrental.co.za/main.aspx?ID=1462
You are joking, right ?
Really?
(http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr83/monkeyrobot01/Guru_Mog_Blog/Film_Dredd_Comic_Dredd.png)
Quote from: minus on 12 December, 2010, 06:10:04 AM
As it is, it does look a little too big. I think the 25% reduction is too small though... it doesn't leave much room for the head. That photo of the row of helmets looked good, but I guess there weren't heads in them. Maybe it's Urban's head which is small? Just a thought. It could be worse... they could have just gone with crash helmets, some of that steel mesh they used on the Toyotas and the food stall, and a can of matt black spray paint.
I think the 25% reduction pic is better and more realistic to how a helmet should be worn. I know the comic look always shows Dredd helmet larger than his head but in the real world if you turn your head the helmet won't move with it and would easily fall off and move around too much when running etc. That's the only thing I liked about the Stallone helmet was that it fitted nice and snug, it's the way I make my own Dredd lids so the helmet really does feel an extension of my head. I can move around as much as I want (even hang upside down) without the worry of it falling off :)
My avatar pic shows me wearing the helmet that I made and I think it looks fine fitted snug without the gaps either side, let me know what YOU think!
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 12 December, 2010, 11:15:04 AMI think the 25% reduction pic is better and more realistic to how a helmet should be worn.
Seriously, maybe a 10-15% reduction would work, but the 25% reduction pic looks like it's eating his head and would have to be surgically removed.
Also Dredd [spoiler]will be moving around an awful lot in the movie which will be quite action-heavy going by the script[/spoiler] so I have no doubt whatsoever that they've made the helmet in such a way that it moves with his head.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 December, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
How's this then?
Great pic, helmets ready for Judges to pick up and hit the streets. I noticed the thick padding inside some to, what sort of material did you use Michael for the 'lens' part of the helmet?
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 12 December, 2010, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 12 December, 2010, 11:15:04 AMI think the 25% reduction pic is better and more realistic to how a helmet should be worn.
Seriously, maybe a 10-15% reduction would work, but the 25% reduction pic looks like it's eating his head and would have to be surgically removed.
lol! You certainly wouldn't want it so tight it's uncomfortable (unlike tight boots, eh Joe) :D I tend to use 8mm - 10mm plastazote foam on the interior of my lids which feels snug and comfortable. But you can also use upholstery foam, again in varying thicknesses.
Nice comparison there from Guru-Mog, which i think emphasises just how close the look is, in aggregate at least. Mind you, he's not suporting his gun with an overhand grip (as per Mutie the Pig)- possible a jimp?
I see Cliff draws the visor-lightning effect as mirroring each other - I always thought they went the same way. Headache for the CGI boys, I'm sure. ;)
Looks like the fan trailers are alreading hitting the old inter-web!
Nice effort here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv0JkODids0
One word
Superglue... :)
I'm wondering if what looks like the all black visor has made it easier to pad the nose piece - on any stunts, that's the part that's likely to hurt more judging by our experience on Minty.
The lack of a chin strap also makes the helmet liable to come off when falling backwards on the ground, the ear pads Dan used do help keep it in place though.
I get the feeling there's a bit of sculpted padding in the movie one to keep it in place as much as possible.
The CFX guys chopped up a box full of motorcycle helmet visors..
The problem with making the Judge helmets smaller is the nose, if you make them small, like in the 25% reduction, I guarantee the persons nose will protrude too much to fit in the helmet. The visor area needs to be big enough to surround the eyes and nose without the nose being squashed or tight, that's why modern bike helmets are elongated at the face area, the Stallone helmet had a similar elongation at the front and a larger visor area. If there was no visor you could bring the the "X guard" and the sides closer to the face (like on a Spartan helmet) but the visor is what makes it a Dredd helmet and also requires it to be bigger.
For each helmet to look and fit well, they would need to be tailored to different people.
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 December, 2010, 11:43:32 AM
Nice comparison there from Guru-Mog, which i think emphasises just how close the look is, in aggregate at least. Mind you, he's not suporting his gun with an overhand grip (as per Mutie the Pig)- possible a jimp?
I'd say it's still more
Ezquerra than anyone else, for which I'm glad cos that's the look I was hoping for. Dredd needs to be
Biker-Baroque, it's what makes it different.
I thought
Mutie-the-Pig was the one who used the overhand-grip not Dredd, that's how they identified Judge Gibson as Mutie?
Quote from: Teivion on 12 December, 2010, 10:01:23 AM
http://www.avis-vanrental.co.za/main.aspx?ID=1462
You are joking, right ?
Really?
What difference does it make where they come from?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2010, 01:53:55 PM
I thought Mutie-the-Pig was the one who used the overhand-grip not Dredd, that's how they identified Judge Gibson as Mutie?
The line I was thinking of was (and I paraphrase from bad memory): "He's supporting his gun in an overhand grip ...
just like a JUDGE!". It was connected with identifying MtP as an ex- or bent Judge, not specifically Gibson. And of course no-one ever drew a judge supporting his gun in that daft fashion ever again.
:)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2010, 01:50:13 PM
The problem with making the Judge helmets smaller is the nose, if you make them small, like in the 25% reduction, I guarantee the persons nose will protrude too much to fit in the helmet. The visor area needs to be big enough to surround the eyes and nose without the nose being squashed or tight, that's why modern bike helmets are elongated at the face area, the Stallone helmet had a similar elongation at the front and a larger visor area. If there was no visor you could bring the the "X guard" and the sides closer to the face (like on a Spartan helmet) but the visor is what makes it a Dredd helmet and also requires it to be bigger.
For each helmet to look and fit well, they would need to be tailored to different people.
It's more the size front to back for the nose though, the width only makes any difference for the ears.
But yeah, they absolutely need to be tailored for the wearer, too small and they'll crush the ears and nose, too big and they look bobble-headed (although it's more of a problem when they sit too low, as it looks even more 'kid wearing their dad's hat')
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 December, 2010, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2010, 01:53:55 PM
I thought Mutie-the-Pig was the one who used the overhand-grip not Dredd, that's how they identified Judge Gibson as Mutie?
The line I was thinking of was (and I paraphrase from bad memory): "He's supporting his gun in an overhand grip ... just like a JUDGE!". It was connected with identifying MtP as an ex- or bent Judge, not specifically Gibson. And of course no-one ever drew a judge supporting his gun in that daft fashion ever again.
Also he was left-handed.
Quote from: Steve Green on 12 December, 2010, 03:27:02 PM
It's more the size front to back for the nose though, the width only makes any difference for the ears.
But yeah, they absolutely need to be tailored for the wearer, too small and they'll crush the ears and nose, too big and they look bobble-headed (although it's more of a problem when they sit too low, as it looks even more 'kid wearing their dad's hat')
My point is, if you want it to look like the comic book version and not look badly proportioned in terms of the
classic features as the alternate Stallone version, it's needs to be big enough for someone's head to fit inside, hence the larger helmet.
(http://www.sculpt-ed.com/USERIMAGES/Dredd.jpg)
(http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/dredd2-sized.jpg)
It looks top. It looks how I always wanted it to look and knowing what JOE SOAP says above all along would have to happen.
The belief system is in that helmet and should shape how the Judges truly act and feel about their purpose and from that, how corruption will still mutate from those said beliefs.
Heehee.. I've worn that helmet..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 01:05:25 PM
The CFX guys chopped up a box full of motorcycle helmet visors..
That's what I used on all of my lids as since they are already pre-tinted and curved you just trim the ends off to fit. They are nice and dark so no one can see in but allow enough light in to see out.
But as you mentioned Joesoap the helmets do really need to be tailor made in particular the internal padding so as to fit the actor/extra properly.
On my the Dredd lid on my Avatar pic I used 'chrome enamel paint' along the bottom to create the 'flashing' look that appears in the comics.
I disagree.
we didn't have to chop off Greg's ears or nose to fit for Minty, and yeah I know he's not doing any action in it, but I think it could have gone more snug, even allowing for practicalities.
Anyway, I've said my piece.
It's academic how accurate the helmet is in relation to the comic when the uniform is so different. Fair enough however as the movie is an entirely different entity to printed Dredd for lots of reasons. The helmet is very well made and the additional strips/indented lines running parallel to the respirator work well. I probably prefer the Stallone helmet to any other version (comic included).
I never liked the look of the Stallone version, personally. I like this new one a lot.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2010, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: Teivion on 12 December, 2010, 10:01:23 AM
http://www.avis-vanrental.co.za/main.aspx?ID=1462
You are joking, right ?
Really?
What difference does it make where they come from?
Id rather not spell it out if its all the same !:-)
Quote from: Cyclopz on 12 December, 2010, 05:35:28 AM
I'm sure that the helmet is the correct size for practicality, it looks good from most angles. I just wonder if the design is just too close to the comic version. It would be good to see it moving around in some live footage.
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/12/Dredd-Helm-1.jpg)
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/8/2010/12/b57f57556f445c19bd102ef8fed8abf7/original.jpg)
The helmet looks cool - maybe a teensy bit too big, but if the rest of the uniform is suitably chunky everything will look in proportion.
The 25% reduced one looks silly.
The '25% reduction' version looks like Magneto's helmet from X-Men (film versions). That is to say, silly. I do think the Minty lads have set the bar incredibly high on this business - I was browsing Google Imagesearch today looking at Judge gear, and the Staples Dredd shots blow absolutely everything else out of the water. That is Judge Dredd!
heh people a dredd movie is being made as we speak lets stop with the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ&feature=player_detailpage
We all watched the Judge Minty trailer and got a bit worried. They've done an exceptional job keeping everything very faithful to the comic.
But then we're not making a graphic novel, we're making a movie that has to appeal to a far wider audience than just the hard core fans. In all honesty, Minty is far closer to the source than our Dredd, but that doesn't mean ours is wrong. Way back in July, we were doing helmet concpts. Whether they were used is irrelevant, but we did find that every different artist had a different take on his look. It ranged from golfball to stovepipe shaped. The hardest thing is to find THE Dredd, because everyone has a different take on it and will vehemently defend their opinion. So instead of finding the holy grail of Dredds, we did what every artist before us has done, and gave this Dredd our own look. We know we would never please all the fans, but as long as we can give you a cool badass version then we're happy.
Quote from: radiator on 12 December, 2010, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: Cyclopz on 12 December, 2010, 05:35:28 AM
I'm sure that the helmet is the correct size for practicality, it looks good from most angles. I just wonder if the design is just too close to the comic version. It would be good to see it moving around in some live footage.
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/8/2010/12/b57f57556f445c19bd102ef8fed8abf7/original.jpg)
The helmet looks cool - maybe a teensy bit too big, but if the rest of the uniform is suitably chunky everything will look in proportion.
The 25% reduced one looks silly.
That helmet on the bust is not an accurate representation of the actuality of wearing the helmet since the nose is not covered by the visor which Urban's is.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
We all watched the Judge Minty trailer and got a bit worried. They've done an exceptional job keeping everything very faithful to the comic.
But then we're not making a graphic novel, we're making a movie that has to appeal to a far wider audience than just the hard core fans. In all honesty, Minty is far closer to the source than our Dredd, but that doesn't mean ours is wrong. Way back in July, we were doing helmet concpts. Whether they were used is irrelevant, but we did find that every different artist had a different take on his look. It ranged from golfball to stovepipe shaped. The hardest thing is to find THE Dredd, because everyone has a different take on it and will vehemently defend their opinion. So instead of finding the holy grail of Dredds, we did what every artist before us has done, and gave this Dredd our own look. We know we would never please all the fans, but as long as we can give you a cool badass version then we're happy.
This post makes more sense than the whole rest of this thread put together. You'll be telling me next Dredd's web-shooters are organic.
With a few small tweaks (more of an eagle motif/pad) I'd actually prefer the new uniform to the excellent Minty version. It's more in line with Ezquerra's utilitarian/authoritarian aesthetic than the later stuff.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2010, 07:25:33 PM
With a few small tweaks (more of an eagle motif/pad) I'd actually prefer the new uniform to the excellent Minty version. It's more in line with Ezquerra's utilitarian/authoritarian aesthetic than the later stuff.
there you go with the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ&feature=player_detailpage
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2010, 07:25:33 PM
With a few small tweaks (more of an eagle motif/pad)
Actually, from the inside info we've had on this thread, it seems we DO have that, albeit it's not as developed as the comic version. I think this is a good thing; a stylized Eagle emblem maybe rather than a full statuette with pointy bits that can get caught on things.*
I think the comic version would be excellent as a dress uniform in the movie world.
*I don't know if that's what they're strictly going for, but they do seem to be going for subtlety as far as that is concerned in the first photo.
Someone should draw a version of the uniform based on what we've seem so far and try and extrapolate what things like the eagle might look like.
Quote from: Mardroid on 12 December, 2010, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2010, 07:25:33 PM
With a few small tweaks (more of an eagle motif/pad)
Actually, from the inside info we've had on this thread, it seems we DO have that, albeit it's not as developed as the comic version. I think this is a good thing; a stylized Eagle emblem maybe rather than a full statuette with pointy bits that can get caught on things.*
I think the eagle could be more pronounced, it doesn't need to be huge, such as early Ezquerra.
The eagle is most definitely there, and it's not stylized.. It's just a little bit more integrated..
Cool - I can't wait to see a better full-length pic.
Cheers
Steve
Quote from: James on 12 December, 2010, 08:15:51 PM
Someone should draw a version of the uniform based on what we've seem so far and try and extrapolate what things like the eagle might look like.
Like this?
http://kevlev.blogspot.com/2010/11/judge-dredd-movie-still.html
The eagle emblem might be stitched across the shoulder blades like those designs bikers have on their jackets. Stranger things have happened in movie design....
*shudders*
Quote from: John Caliber on 12 December, 2010, 09:03:39 PM
The eagle emblem might be stitched across the shoulder blades like those designs bikers have on their jackets. Stranger things have happened in movie design....
That's more Hell's Angels I think than law enforcer.
(http://www.sculpt-ed.com/USERIMAGES/Dredd.jpg)
(http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/dredd2-sized.jpg)
It really is striking how different the two are.
(BTW If I were the director I would have asked for a amalgamation of the two. ;)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 08:27:55 PM
The eagle is most definitely there, and it's not stylized.. It's just a little bit more integrated..
That should work well too.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
We all watched the Judge Minty trailer and got a bit worried. They've done an exceptional job keeping everything very faithful to the comic.
But then we're not making a graphic novel, we're making a movie that has to appeal to a far wider audience than just the hard core fans. In all honesty, Minty is far closer to the source than our Dredd, but that doesn't mean ours is wrong. Way back in July, we were doing helmet concpts. Whether they were used is irrelevant, but we did find that every different artist had a different take on his look. It ranged from golfball to stovepipe shaped. The hardest thing is to find THE Dredd, because everyone has a different take on it and will vehemently defend their opinion. So instead of finding the holy grail of Dredds, we did what every artist before us has done, and gave this Dredd our own look. We know we would never please all the fans, but as long as we can give you a cool badass version then we're happy.
I agree, it's impossible to have one universal Dredd helmet 'cos of personal taste and opinion but I think the sculpt and finished helmet is a top job on a different but original take on Dredds helmet.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 08:27:55 PM
The eagle is most definitely there, and it's not stylized.. It's just a little bit more integrated..
Great, looking forward to seeing THAT! :)
Told you they were claws...
The shoulder pads from the still kind of look identical? Mabye the eagle is embossed into the bit hanging from it?
Quote from: danno on 12 December, 2010, 11:33:26 PM
The shoulder pads from the still kind of look identical? Mabye the eagle is embossed into the bit hanging from it?
The eagle pad looks longer to me.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 08:27:55 PM
The eagle is most definitely there, and it's not stylized.. It's just a little bit more integrated..
I suppose there's little chance of you sneaking into the costume department and getting a pic of that shoulder? ;)
How much longer before we get word of which toy company will be making the action figures? :think: (please let it be NECA)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 07:04:07 PM...The hardest thing is to find THE Dredd, because everyone has a different take on it and will vehemently defend their opinion. So instead of finding the holy grail of Dredds, we did what every artist before us has done, and gave this Dredd our own look. We know we would never please all the fans, but as long as we can give you a cool badass version then we're happy.
To me, it's pretty much perfect. Bolland and Ezguerra were my favourites growing up and this is basically what I would've hoped to see in a live action version. I did think the '95 version was cool in it's own right though, and was a little taken aback by Joe's comparison pic because it hadn't really occurred to me how different it was. Probably because they got the overall look right considering it's Hollywood we're talking about. Obvious complaints aside when it comes to the rest of the uniform.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 13 December, 2010, 03:10:57 AM
How much longer before we get word of which toy company will be making the action figures? :think: (please let it be NECA)
That would be so cool.. I'd unfortunately have to pay for one though, which seems a little unfair..
Michaelvk How high is the gore factor on this shoot in your estimation? Im a huge fan of the over the top violence in Robocop and I always thought that's how a Judge Dredd movie should be made.
Dude, the gore you'll see in this movie is like no other gore you've seen before. Trust me on that one ;)
I shot an email to the guy behind that Dredd helmet pic last night, hoping to get a quick Q&A with him, and he seems VERY unhappy that its gotten "out there".
I was going to post a copy of it up on the website but out of respect for his wishes I wont be... but good luck putting that genie back in the bottle
So did he say why did he put it on his website then?
He's well known in the Halo community as he did the helmet sculpt for the Operation Chastity fan film ( which I built the warthog for) so he's hardly flying under the radar.
Poor guy.
Nope.
Trying not to get into a big thing with him as he seems a bit pissed off at the moment.
Like I said, as much as I REALLY want to, Im not going to post up that pic, but its already out there. You cant really put something on the internet that big and not expect people to run with it. Its only the fact I DID ask for permission that seems to have made him aware people have seen it.
Think he's taking it off his site
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
We all watched the Judge Minty trailer and got a bit worried. They've done an exceptional job keeping everything very faithful to the comic.
But then we're not making a graphic novel, we're making a movie that has to appeal to a far wider audience than just the hard core fans. In all honesty, Minty is far closer to the source than our Dredd, but that doesn't mean ours is wrong. Way back in July, we were doing helmet concpts. Whether they were used is irrelevant, but we did find that every different artist had a different take on his look. It ranged from golfball to stovepipe shaped. The hardest thing is to find THE Dredd, because everyone has a different take on it and will vehemently defend their opinion. So instead of finding the holy grail of Dredds, we did what every artist before us has done, and gave this Dredd our own look. We know we would never please all the fans, but as long as we can give you a cool badass version then we're happy.
I'll buy you a Figure, just to say thanks for your comments at the top of your post Michael ;-)
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 13 December, 2010, 03:10:57 AM
How much longer before we get word of which toy company will be making the action figures? :think: (please let it be NECA)
Hot Toys is the company you want. Just look up their DX joker figure, it has posable eyes!
Quote from: bluemeanie on 13 December, 2010, 08:49:54 AM
You cant really put something on the internet that big and not expect people to run with it.
Ay caramba, he put it in the portfolio part of his website. An odd place to hide a secret.
That's rather like putting a sex-tape on your website, and then complaining about the publicity.
What exactly did he expect?
Maybe he is pi**ed off because the person/s who lifted his image/s didn't ask permission first to post them elswhere on the net, which is understandable considering it is his work after all.
Yes, but however annoying that might be it was going to happen.
At best I'd say that's extremely naive.
If you don't want something to spread, don't put it online.
The best thing you can do is hope you get credit and you get work from it.
...which is why I started posting stuff here. One of our fabrication guys was making some annoying claims on another forum.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 10:23:07 AM
...which is why I started posting stuff here. One of our fabrication guys was making some annoying claims on another forum.
Which forum, Mike?
Concept artists posting spoilers in their portfolios is a common occurrence. It happened with Doctor Who (The Pandorica Opens, the artwork revealing the inhabitant), Star Wars, Pirates of the Caribbean...
IMDB..
Quite so, but there are a lot of bogus news and rumours on IMDB which make any accompanying artwork more suspect than inside an artist's portfolio.
That's the guy. He's not exactly lying about stuff, but he's certainly exaggerating certain aspects of what's going on around here.. We love him to bits, but certain claims really annoyed me.
If certain people are getting above their station then maybe the powers that be should be informed. But then again the more that is being thrown about embellished or otherwise is getting the word out to as many people out there that Dredd is definitely go. Free advertising is never a bad thing.
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Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 08:27:55 PM
The eagle is most definitely there, and it's not stylized.. It's just a little bit more integrated..
Eagle looks great! From a design and function point of view it makes more sense... Good work!
Quote from: R1F4 on 13 December, 2010, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 December, 2010, 08:27:55 PM
The eagle is most definitely there, and it's not stylized.. It's just a little bit more integrated..
Eagle looks great! From a design and function point of view it makes more sense... Good work!
:( This is tough to hear all the in-house people putting in the good word and for us to not see, oh you are so cruel!! We are left to speculate and allowing some members to imagine the worst from spy pics.
Glad it's a general thumbs up from the main people in 2000ad. At least it numbs the pain for us.
Thanks, but it's all wardrobe's doing.. One of our lads did some concept images ages ago, but I'm not sure how much of it was used..
Being in the know is indeed cool, but I'm sure us in the know folk will disappear back into obscurity soon enough..
The guy has taken the pictures off his site.
It's only a matter of time before we get to see the full uniform... looking forward to it!!
And where is that Anderson pic!!!
It was mentioned AGES ago one would be released.... c'mon Tharg, get yer finger out!!
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 13 December, 2010, 03:48:13 PM
And where is that Anderson pic!!!
Yeahyeahyeah wannaseeitwannaseeitwannaseeit!!!
Boarders at the premiere. :lol:
(http://7.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv3ay87Bw91qziwcjo1_500.jpg)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 06:47:43 AM
Dude, the gore you'll see in this movie is like no other gore you've seen before. Trust me on that one ;)
That sounds awesome, Michael!! I hope it will be of Verhoeven/Tarantino-vintage gore!!
This is absolute torture...I feel like I'm been waiting weeks for every cameraphone picture of a half painted sign... They're making it now so we know that there's stuff to see! It's not healthy.
Oh please no, not a year of this! Damn you internet and your promise of instant information!
Where's my Cassandra? Where's my EagleShoulderPad? I want the finest EagleShoulderPads known to humanity! I want them here and I want them now!
(And yes, the gore sounds good and I'm liking the gore.)
Think Predator gore to a degree..
I think after a year half of you guys will be feeding off of your own young, if this is how you are now! Try not too over-hype though.. You'll set ridiculously high expectations and only end up being disappointed. Pace yourself..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 06:47:43 AM
Dude, the gore you'll see in this movie is like no other gore you've seen before. Trust me on that one ;)
glad at notes from those in the know that there is violence, but actual gore as well! you mean there will actually be gritty realism!!! lol
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 05:37:59 PM
Try not too over-hype though.. You'll set ridiculously high expectations and only end up being disappointed. Pace yourself..
Dredd isn't going to win best picture at the Oscars ? :(
Thanks for the sober influence Michealvk,
Just a momentary impatience:
This is an opinion from a calmer place:
http://stuffinthangs.blogspot.com/2010/12/here-comes-judge.html
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 05:37:59 PM
Think Predator gore to a degree..
I think after a year half of you guys will be feeding off of your own young, if this is how you are now! Try not too over-hype though.. You'll set ridiculously high expectations and only end up being disappointed. Pace yourself..
Predator works for me. ;)
As for my expectations; don't worry. They're very "healthy". Actually, let me say, I tend to usually prefer the more independently-made films like this one, "Solomon Kane", "Kick-Ass", "The Punisher"(2004), "Kill Bill", "RoboCop", and "Sin City" over the major studio-produced blockbusters. Not that I don't enjoy those, mind you, but I always feel there's a more sense of fun and creativity with the more modest-budgeted independent films.
QuoteTry not too over-hype though.. You'll set ridiculously high expectations and only end up being disappointed. Pace yourself..
Fuck that shit! This is the internet, baby! It's how we roll.
I suppose it's easy for me to say.. I've seen everything already..
It would be interesting to compare the budget some of the pictures we consider 'classics' (such as Predator, Die Hard and Robocop) and what DNA have to work with.....
Funny- the question about gore had never occurred to me, its actually quite nice to know there will be a few bits of blood'n'guts to ground the film into a more adult audience.
Some of the tests I've seen are cinematic firsts for gore. If they don't wimp out and PG13 it you're in for a treat..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 06:33:29 PM
I suppose it's easy for me to say.. I've seen everything already..
You still haven't seen the film though...boom,boom!
seriously though folks:
Do you think that somebody who is closely involved in a project ever gets to 'see' the film in the way an ordinary joe does; or do you think that they have difficulty buying into the'magic' of sets and props and actors once they have experience of them in the more mundane setting of their workplace?
It does get tricky to turn the ol' professional side off sometimes.. But that's only when the story's lost me and I start focussing on other stuff..
The latter. Definitely.
Hmmmmmmmmn, I think I may have found a cure for my soul-sucking curiosity for every last tid-bit.
The film's a year away..I've already read the script,(I thought it was fantastic BTW) but if i continue.... if I keep hoovering up the interweb searching for info , I might run the risk of watching the final thing through a professionals level of background information. To risk doing so, seems er... folly.
Nope, that's it; I'm off!- I shall leave you to it Forum denizens,thank you all!
And thank you once again Mr Van Kesteren for your time and information.
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 December, 2010, 05:12:40 PM
Boarders at the premiere. :lol:
(http://7.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv3ay87Bw91qziwcjo1_500.jpg)
Wonder where my 3D specs went, damn those Gremlins ;)
We only have the 1995 film to compare it to, so I'm sure expectations are not running needlessly high. We're just hopeful :)
Couldn't get much worse, that's for sure..
Thats enough chit chat! about the movie in general. Get the Anderson picture up and I'm a happy bunny for a year! ;)
Quote from: dracula1 on 13 December, 2010, 09:25:12 PM
Thats enough chit chat! about the movie in general. Get the Anderson picture up and I'm a happy bunny for a year! ;)
So two weeks then ? ;)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 08:07:42 PM
Couldn't get much worse, that's for sure..
Ah y'know, it gets a bad rap. I mean, it's a shite movie but even now, it still has a few moments that paint the right picture. The Hall Of Justice looks great, the whole block war-Dredd introduction's a nice glimpse of what could have been and despite the fact you never see it walking properly, the robot looks about right.
I guess my point is there are plenty of other comic-to-movie adaptations just as bad that people never bag on as much. The Shadow? Tank Girl? The fucking Phantom? Do I even need to mention League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen...? They're all just as bad in their own ways.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 06:43:50 PM
Some of the tests I've seen are cinematic firsts for gore. If they don't wimp out and PG13 it you're in for a treat..
Excellent. TBH my favorite action films are mostly the hard hitting classics along the lines of Terminator Predator Robocop The Thing Alien etc. I don't think any of those movies were particularly high budget but they made up for it with originality and invention. I hope that they are aiming for that kind of quality in Dredd.
Its a good thing that Dredd isn't breaking the bank in budget, take a look at the Green Lantern Trailer, that looks mediocre in the extreme!
QuoteI guess my point is there are plenty of other comic-to-movie adaptations just as bad that people never bag on as much. The Shadow? Tank Girl? The fucking Phantom? Do I even need to mention League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen...? They're all just as bad in their own ways.
But none of those series appeared in 2000ad so why would we discuss them here?
Officially, the worst comic book movies were Steel and Batman and Robin.
Will a new thread be started for the Anderson pic or will this one go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
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Quote from: vzzbux on 13 December, 2010, 11:43:03 PM
Will a new thread be started for the Anderson pic or will this one go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
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Quote from: Ratty on 13 December, 2010, 09:05:50 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 13 December, 2010, 03:10:57 AM
How much longer before we get word of which toy company will be making the action figures? :think: (please let it be NECA)
Hot Toys is the company you want. Just look up their DX joker figure, it has posable eyes!
I want something I can afford. :rolleyes:
My first choice was HASBRO, but I don't think they would make toys for a R rated flick (I miss the 80's) :'(
QuoteMy first choice was HASBRO, but I don't think they would make toys for a R rated flick (I miss the 80's) :'(
For 3 3/4 inch figures with playsets/vehicles I would agree with you. However, thier 1:6 scale figures are rubbish.
Quote from: dracula1 on 13 December, 2010, 09:25:12 PM
Thats enough chit chat! about the movie in general. Get the Anderson picture up and I'm a happy bunny for a year! ;)
Hmm.. Do I say she looks cracking in leather??
After reading the Cadet Anderson story in Prog 2011, I wondered if the movie Anderson also had a blonde bobbed fringe?
Quote from: blackmocco on 13 December, 2010, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 08:07:42 PM
Couldn't get much worse, that's for sure..
Ah y'know, it gets a bad rap. I mean, it's a shite movie but even now, it still has a few moments that paint the right picture. The Hall Of Justice looks great, the whole block war-Dredd introduction's a nice glimpse of what could have been and despite the fact you never see it walking properly, the robot looks about right.
I guess my point is there are plenty of other comic-to-movie adaptations just as bad that people never bag on as much. The Shadow? Tank Girl? The fucking Phantom? Do I even need to mention League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen...? They're all just as bad in their own ways.
Yeah, but I don't read any of them, or give a fuck about them.
QuoteAh y'know, it gets a bad rap. I mean, it's a shite movie but even now, it still has a few moments that paint the right picture. The Hall Of Justice looks great, the whole block war-Dredd introduction's a nice glimpse of what could have been and despite the fact you never see it walking properly, the robot looks about right.
I guess my point is there are plenty of other comic-to-movie adaptations just as bad that people never bag on as much. The Shadow? Tank Girl? The fucking Phantom? Do I even need to mention League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen...? They're all just as bad in their own ways.
Agreed. I'd certainly watch the '95 Dredd over either of the Schumacher Batman films. As much as it's a sore point as a Dredd adaptation, as a cheesy 1990s action movie it's OK.
I quite likes Tank Girl.
Yep.
I'm the one. :-[
Quote from: doggettX on 14 December, 2010, 03:00:27 PM
I quite likes Tank Girl.
Yep.
I'm the one. :-[
Seconded. It's a guilty pleasure, extra guilty given how Lori Petty looks in it.
Mmmmm.. Dust shower...
What ? people don't like the tank girl movie ? Bumders. As has been stated already .. mmm Lori Petty
Quote from: James Stacey on 14 December, 2010, 03:32:35 PM
What ? people don't like the tank girl movie ? Bumders. As has been stated already .. mmm Lori Petty
Yeah, I think it's a pretty good movie too.
To be fair though, I'm probably lokoing at it in the weay a non-Dredd fan looks at the Stallone movie.
Just imagine what it must have been like to be a fan of the game SUPER MARIO BROS. and then go see the film at the cinema
Quote from: darnmarr on 13 December, 2010, 07:20:12 PM
Hmmmmmmmmn, I think I may have found a cure for my soul-sucking curiosity for every last tid-bit.
The film's a year away..I've already read the script,(I thought it was fantastic BTW) but if i continue.... if I keep hoovering up the interweb searching for info , I might run the risk of watching the final thing through a professionals level of background information. To risk doing so, seems er... folly.
Nope, that's it; I'm off!- I shall leave you to it Forum denizens,thank you all!
And thank you once again Mr Van Kesteren for your time and information.
I maybe a bit behind here, but where are people able to view the script? - has it been confirmed as the leaked script.
Quote from: dracula1 on 13 December, 2010, 09:25:12 PM
Thats enough chit chat! about the movie in general. Get the Anderson picture up and I'm a happy bunny for a year! ;)
I reckon they're stalling until early next year with the anderson pic - posters of teasers will be out october/late summer I reckon.
Quote from: blackmocco on 13 December, 2010, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 December, 2010, 08:07:42 PM
Couldn't get much worse, that's for sure..
Ah y'know, it gets a bad rap. I mean, it's a shite movie but even now, it still has a few moments that paint the right picture. The Hall Of Justice looks great, the whole block war-Dredd introduction's a nice glimpse of what could have been and despite the fact you never see it walking properly, the robot looks about right.
I guess my point is there are plenty of other comic-to-movie adaptations just as bad that people never bag on as much. The Shadow? Tank Girl? The fucking Phantom? Do I even need to mention League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen...? They're all just as bad in their own ways.
well you-know as a hollywood vehicle, it was a decent Stallone film - better than Cobra lol
it's watchable - it obviously has a producers hand firmly in it so to speak with the 'comedy' 'relief', the Stallone catchphrases etc It's interesting, as parts of the movie are ok, and if only stallone had kept the helmet on and there were certain plotlines/subplotlines/characters written out, the bad guys were well represented and portrayed, and I think armand assante is great as Rico - albeit he should have been deformed.
I still think - who would have been the best guy to play Dredd in 1995, and I can only look at films like Demolition Man, Fifth Element etc and say Bruce Willis or Sylvester Stallone would have been great for the role (Schwarzenegger would have been terrible!).
and other actors going back a few years who could have played Dredd.
1989 - Warren Beatty(dick tracy)?-Clint Eastwood?
1985 - Jack Palance as an old dredd? -Clint Eastwood?.
infact it's an interesting topic in of its self; i.e. who would have played a great Dredd in past decades.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 14 December, 2010, 05:38:30 PM
Just imagine what it must have been like to be a fan of the game SUPER MARIO BROS. and then go see the film at the cinema
super mario bros is my guiltry pleasure - as is dick tracy. nostalgia creeps in to those appraisals though lol
I wonder if they're saving the Anderson pic as a Christmas present for us. :D
I remember going to see Jurassic park at the Milton Keynes cinema's, standing in a HUGE queue to get into the JP theater, while on the other side of the corridor the usher for Super Mario looked very bored with nobody going to watch it.
Imagine this! . . .
It's Christmas Eve and up pops a sneaky little link to a DNA site on this forum. 2 clicks of the mouse on said link and followed by much anticipation up appears a decent res' Anderson picture from the movie. Merry Christmas everybody from Rebellion and co. Imagine the buzz! the hits on this site (and others) would go through the roof. Think of the publicity it would get over the Christmas break to. All good for us diehard fans and for the film in general.
Quote from: thelawgiver on 14 December, 2010, 06:01:09 PM
well you-know as a hollywood vehicle, it was a decent Stallone film - better than Cobra lol
it's watchable - it obviously has a producers hand firmly in it so to speak with the 'comedy' 'relief', the Stallone catchphrases etc It's interesting, as parts of the movie are ok, and if only stallone had kept the helmet on and there were certain plotlines/subplotlines/characters written out, the bad guys were well represented and portrayed, and I think armand assante is great as Rico - albeit he should have been deformed.
I still think - who would have been the best guy to play Dredd in 1995, and I can only look at films like Demolition Man, Fifth Element etc and say Bruce Willis or Sylvester Stallone would have been great for the role (Schwarzenegger would have been terrible!).
and other actors going back a few years who could have played Dredd.
1989 - Warren Beatty(dick tracy)?-Clint Eastwood?
1985 - Jack Palance as an old dredd? -Clint Eastwood?.
infact it's an interesting topic in of its self; i.e. who would have played a great Dredd in past decades.
Remember watching Nick Nolte in Extreme Prejudice and thinking he'd have made a great Dredd. Clancy Brown would've been cool. Hell, even Peter Weller himself if Robocop hadn't gotten in the way. Haha!
Chuffed with Urban though. Great bit of casting.
Clancy Brown was born to play JD.Watch him in Starship Troopers and then say he couldnt play a mean - unpleasent and tough and uncompromising future law enforcer.
Nick Nolte has the same qualities but not quite right in looks.
Shame it never happened but he could play an older JD.
I quite like The Phantom.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 14 December, 2010, 07:06:31 PM
Clancy Brown was born to play JD.Watch him in Starship Troopers and then say he couldnt play a mean - unpleasent and tough and uncompromising future law enforcer.
Nick Nolte has the same qualities but not quite right in looks.
Shame it never happened but he could play an older JD.
Nick Nolte would of made a great Ron Smith style Dredd.
Not sold on the idea of Clancy Brown, although I love his work.
I think they've gone with the right man with Karl Urban.
Lets hope he's signed up for the sequels!
Clancy Brown would have been perfect. The only problem would have been the shadow of
(http://william-mb.com/images/mr_krabs_slideshow_pidb.gif)
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Spongebob is a tough one to beat..
...as Dredd...? Haha!
Everyone knows Crabbie Patties are the stable diet of every citizen in the Meg! ;)
At the risk of being shouted at, Hugh Jackman could've worked.. I was watching a Dirty Harry movie a while ago and was thinking Hugh looks very similar to a young Clint Eastwood..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 December, 2010, 12:46:03 AM
At the risk of being shouted at, Hugh Jackman could've worked.. I was watching a Dirty Harry movie a while ago and was thinking Hugh looks very similar to a young Clint Eastwood..
He sure does!
As does this man I've alway thought. Not sure about his acting ability though.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/mubhceeb/weiland5.jpg)
I still reckon Hugo Weaving.
(http://img.listal.com/image/915518/600full-hugo-weaving.jpg)
Quote from: James on 15 December, 2010, 09:37:34 AM
I still reckon Hugo Weaving.
(http://img.listal.com/image/915518/600full-hugo-weaving.jpg)
Yup.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 December, 2010, 12:46:03 AM
At the risk of being shouted at, Hugh Jackman could've worked.. I was watching a Dirty Harry movie a while ago and was thinking Hugh looks very similar to a young Clint Eastwood..
I have been saying the same thing for years.
How about Adam Baldwin?
(http://www.smrt-tv.com/images/v2-01/baldwin-adam.jpg)
Hugo weaving? Far too scrawny to be Dredd. Anyway, I vote Nik Fiend as Judge Death.
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 15 December, 2010, 11:25:58 AM
How about Adam Baldwin?
He does have the whole 'clone dynasty' thing going for him.
Ummm... why are we talking about the Dredd actor suggestions..?
Good question.. Just like discussing making the helmet 25% smaller.. Also ain't gonna happen..
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 15 December, 2010, 12:14:17 PM
Ummm... why are we talking about the Dredd actor suggestions..?
Old habits die hard I suppose.
Errmmm...Errrrr...
What haven't we talked about...
Elbow pads! Will there be elbow pads?
Michael?
(grud, I hope there's a new photo soon...)
Quote from: Lee Bates on 15 December, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
Errmmm...Errrrr...
What haven't we talked about...
Elbow pads! Will there be elbow pads?
Michael?
(grud, I hope there's a new photo soon...)
There will be kneepads. That has been discussed.
Quote from: Ratty on 15 December, 2010, 02:30:26 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 15 December, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
Errmmm...Errrrr...
What haven't we talked about...
Elbow pads! Will there be elbow pads?
Michael?
(grud, I hope there's a new photo soon...)
There will be kneepads. That has been discussed.
Elbow pads man! What about the elbow pads?
Weren't they in the pic? ::)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 December, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
Weren't they in the pic? ::)
No. We'll take that as a yes though :)
Just checked the pic.. Silly me.. But yes.. Elbow pads.. They might even be green..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 December, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
Just checked the pic.. Silly me.. But yes.. Elbow pads.. They might even be green..
Nice one. Thanks mate.
Quote from: minus on 15 December, 2010, 11:28:01 AM
Hugo weaving? Far too scrawny to be Dredd. Anyway, I vote Nik Fiend as Judge Death.
Nik Fiend of Alien Sex Fiend ?
That could definately work.
I used to like them back in the 80s.
I can't see them casting a singer from an obscure 80's goth band with no acting experience as the lead villain in a big budget DREDD sequel. Besides, he's probably about 20 stone with gray hair now.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 15 December, 2010, 03:56:02 PM
I can't see them casting a singer from an obscure 80's goth band with no acting experience as the lead villain in a big budget DREDD sequel. Besides, he's probably about 20 stone with gray hair now.
Except he isnt about 20 stone with grey hair as he seems to have no hair and absolutely looks the part.As for acting experience i think he does have acting experience from being on stage and he would fit the character without even trying.He looks like Nosferatu.
He gets my vote regardless.
Not everyone over a certain age is obese either.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 15 December, 2010, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: minus on 15 December, 2010, 11:28:01 AM
Hugo weaving? Far too scrawny to be Dredd. Anyway, I vote Nik Fiend as Judge Death.
Nik Fiend of Alien Sex Fiend ?
That could definately work.
I used to like them back in the 80s.
My vote goes to Doug Jones.
It seems as if [spoiler]Judge Death is being lined up for any potential sequels, and though I'm not a huge fan of Death in the comics - he's only really been in a couple of good stories and gets way too much attention imo - I'd be VERY interested to see what Garland and co would do with the character in this 'realistic' take on Dredd. Can't imagine they'd keep him as a supernatural being from another dimension. I've guessed before that perhaps they'd reimagine him as some sort of renegade insane Psi-judge. Cillian Murphy would do a good job in the role.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 December, 2010, 12:46:03 AM
At the risk of being shouted at, Hugh Jackman could've worked.. I was watching a Dirty Harry movie a while ago and was thinking Hugh looks very similar to a young Clint Eastwood..
I've been discussing this on the Dirty Harry/Clint Eastwood IMDB ; I think if Jackman played Harry in the same way he played Wolverine in teh first X-Men movie, I'm all for it. But Jackman has bulked up abit since then and he's done a fair few musicals that would dampen his image as a badass (though Eastwood did Paint My Wago didn't he).
Personally I think Timothy Olyphant would make a great Dirty Harry (or indeed an early Dredd). He was born to play a gunslinger that guy!
Jackie Earle Haley would make a great Judge Death :)
I'm really curious as to how they'd do it - even though they've got a telepath in a real-world scenario, it's a massive leap to an unkillable walking corpse who can rip people's hearts out.
It would be a tricky choice for a real-world Dredd.
Quote from: radiator on 15 December, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
Can't imagine they'd keep him as a supernatural being from another dimension. I've guessed before that perhaps they'd reimagine him as some sort of renegade insane Psi-judge. Cillian Murphy would do a good job in the role.
I think they could use an alternative history approach to explore both Dredd's origins and Death's - have them be two different versions of how Justice Dept could have evolved from the same starting point, one timeline using increasing powerful cloned and engineered Psis instead of 'regular' stock as Judges to control the population, until it all goes horribly wrong in the 'deadworld' parallel, and eventually Death crosses over. You could start with Death's appearance a-la
Judge Death, and then do a "60 years earlier' thingummy, before returning to the present (or intercutting). It'd be a larger budget affair, but you could introduce a lot of Dredd's past too. Hell, they could have been kids at the Academy together before a decision was made and things diverged.
But then of course the re-imagined Judge Death would have no basis for his philosophy that crime is committed by the living, so the living must die. If he's alive, his rationale disappears up his ass. One might argue that Judge Death is probably therefore insane, so he needs no foundation for his argument, but it won't take the audience long to point out the plot hole and put it down to sloppy writing (or, is the Judge Dredd audience a demographic not likely to care about logic - what percentage are Transformer movie fans?).
Bruce Spence for Judge Death!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/woolly/10629243_gal.jpg)
I think its far too easy to get caught up in the realism angle which apparently the film is going to present but in doing so the fact its a character out of a strip gets lost because the realism angle dictates that you cant do this that or the other because of the "realism".
Its all a bit silly and unnecessary because its a work of fiction in the first place which needs a degree of realism to work on screen to make the unworkable details of the strip translate to a film so its plausable or as plausable as a sci-fi film can be but no more otherwise whats the point ??
I dont want to watch a film of the strip that is totally detached from the strip and trying to completely rewrite and change the nature and character of Judge Death into a live character for example is not something i will ever support.
Too much realism would make for a bland film.I dont want to feel like i am watching a cop film.
Anyway there are plenty of examples of films that are set in a real world scenario where there are all kinds of characters and scenarios supernatural or otherwise going on.Its a sci fi film for christs sake and its not meant to be totally realistic and i dont want Garland and Co messing about with characters to that extent.
If anyone wants to make a totally realistic JD film then go and make a film about something else.
Always figured Death would be a tough sell to explain in a Dredd movie. Even the Stallone version would have had some problems introducing that. Unfortunately, they'll probably remove the supernatural element to him altogether and just portray him as a twisted serial killer with Death's philosophies...
QuoteToo much realism would make for a bland film.I dont want to feel like i am watching a cop film.
Anyway there are plenty of examples of films that are set in a real world scenario where there are all kinds of characters and scenarios supernatural or otherwise going on.Its a sci fi film for christs sake and its not meant to be totally realistic and i dont want Garland and Co messing about with characters to that extent.
Yes, but Dredd - narratively and thematically - is all over the bloody place! It hangs together in a patchwork sort of way, but a film
needs to be more focused. I mean, tonally how different are
America and
The Genie? Or
My Name is Death and
The Three Amigos?
For a film
adaptation to work, they need to decide on a tone and stick to it. The filmmakers have decided to base their film on the harder edged, grittier strips, so they have to be fairly consistent.
QuoteBut then of course the re-imagined Judge Death would have no basis for his philosophy that crime is committed by the living, so the living must die. If he's alive, his rationale disappears up his ass.
You could easily write around that - have him go through some sort of near-death experience and come back, believing that he has seen glimpses of 'the other side', and that's what gives him his twisted philosophy...? Or just do what they did with The Joker in
The Dark Knight - deliberately
don't explain who he is, and preserve his mystique.
I dunno, Death's origin in the comics is kinda weak - it's hardly sacrilege if they change it completely!
Though it maybe likely Death will appear in the next possible sequels, I think there are far better stories and characters they could use before resorting to Deadworld character stories.
If they do use the Dark judges they could base their origins in the Cursed Earth (the notion of Dead cities judged after the war etc.) rather than an alternate dimension which may be too much of a inconvenient stretch of cliched Sci Fi tropes.
Should we move this to the sequel thread now?
QuoteIf they do use the Dark judges they could base their origins in the Cursed Earth (the notion of Dead cities judged after the war etc.)
Yeah, that's a good angle - as I said I've always thought Death's 'real' origin story was a bit of a stretch.
Getting waaay ahead of ourselves here! I still can't quite believe the first film is being made, let alone sequels.
I guess they could have Death as they've intoduced Anderson.
But I wouldn't want peoplke to think that Dredd and Anderson are always together. They should introduce Rico, Giant and Hershey.
Quote from: doggettX on 15 December, 2010, 09:12:24 PM
I guess they could have Death as they've intoduced Anderson.
I believe that's the plan otherwise why introduce
PSI elements into the films at all if they're going for a more
realist angle.
PSIs don't exactly say "gritty".
I predict after the end credits you will see a silhouette of Death just like in his first appearance when Mr Bolland drew him.
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I hope not. Let's not go down the Marvel road. We're better than that.
Personally I think Death is unworkable as a film..hell.. It's a stretch as part of the comic Dredd world..good fun..but nothing that movie goers would jump on board with outside of 2000ad fandom
I'd rather have Cal as the villain..or Chopper..or a story intergrating Lenny Zero and the wally squad..now that would be f**king cool
We could have a 'Plip.....Plip....Plip' then see a robotic scorpion thingy creep upon a bed.
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Quote from: radiator on 15 December, 2010, 08:52:03 PM
QuoteToo much realism would make for a bland film.I dont want to feel like i am watching a cop film.
Anyway there are plenty of examples of films that are set in a real world scenario where there are all kinds of characters and scenarios supernatural or otherwise going on.Its a sci fi film for christs sake and its not meant to be totally realistic and i dont want Garland and Co messing about with characters to that extent.
Yes, but Dredd - narratively and thematically - is all over the bloody place! It hangs together in a patchwork sort of way, but a film needs to be more focused. I mean, tonally how different are America and The Genie? Or My Name is Death and The Three Amigos?
For a film adaptation to work, they need to decide on a tone and stick to it. The filmmakers have decided to base their film on the harder edged, grittier strips, so they have to be fairly consistent.
I can see your point in the sense that the first film is a future cop film and then its a future cop film with a supernatural angle etc etc so i would rather that Judge death be left out of the proceedings in future and concentrate on all of the other themes that fit the tone/narratives of the films as theres plenty to choose from.Work with what is workable instead of what isnt.
I would rather have that than see a character compromised too much by other non-creators.I do think as well that its an obvious route to introduce Judge Death in sequels wheras really what needs to happen is a spin off Judge Death film where the character can be explored properly without Judge Death being shoehorned into fitting into the plot of a JD film.Of course i dont expect this to happen.Judge Death is essentially a spirit that inhabits and takes possession of the living and thats hardly something that hasnt been explored in films before.
Quote from: radiator on 15 December, 2010, 09:02:09 PM
QuoteBut then of course the re-imagined Judge Death would have no basis for his philosophy that crime is committed by the living, so the living must die. If he's alive, his rationale disappears up his ass.
You could easily write around that - have him go through some sort of near-death experience and come back, believing that he has seen glimpses of 'the other side', and that's what gives him his twisted philosophy...? Or just do what they did with The Joker in The Dark Knight - deliberately don't explain who he is, and preserve his mystique.
I dunno, Death's origin in the comics is kinda weak - it's hardly sacrilege if they change it completely!
I am open to ideas and the angle of not explaining who JD is is a good idea providing the character is not altered out of recognition which i was i was commenting on.I like that idea because it would make the audience think for themselves rather than having everything conveniently explained so its realistic.Shit happens all the time in reality that cant be explained rationally or otherwise.
I see no reason, if 2000AD films turn out successful, why there couldn't be spin-off animated films of those stories that are better left out of the live action releases, as in the Dark Judges etc. Cheaper too and probably more effective.
The Batman films get away with some pretty ridiculous villains. As do the Iron Man ones. And the Spiderman ones. People know this is a comic book movie and you can do dark supernatural sci-fi.
And I vote for Nik Fiend too!
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 15 December, 2010, 10:50:23 PM
The Batman films get away with some pretty ridiculous villains.
Not sure about that, the Nolan ones tread a fine line and are quite mundane -you won't see the Penguin turning up- only paying lip service to the comics and not really doing much with the villains they have, TwoFace and Scarecrow being fine examples of flimsiness of character and none of them remotely touch the otherworldliness of
J Death. Dredd will fare better without Deadworld popping up on-screen.
I doubt they would have bothered with Anderson in this one, if Death wasn't appearing in the next one... if they make a 'next one'.
We know most of this one's set inside a cityblock. Make more sense for the next one to explore Dredd's city and world a bit, no...? I'm all for the Angel Gang meself. Death can wait.
I think the OZ storyline featuring the Judda and Chopper would be great, low budget and much more feasible to do in a sequel than any of the Dark Judges characters. You could even throw in a Hot Dog run, breaking in some cadets to show a little of the cadet/training process before they become a Judge!
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 15 December, 2010, 11:23:36 PM
I think the OZ storyline featuring the Judda and Chopper would be great, low budget and much more feasible to do in a sequel than any of the Dark Judges characters. You could even throw in a Hot Dog run, breaking in some cadets to show a little of the cadet/training process before they become a Judge!
Low budget, Oz! are you sure?
I don't think location shooting at Ayers Rock would be shed loads of money and the interior could be built on a stage :)
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 15 December, 2010, 11:39:43 PM
I don't think location shooting at Ayers Rock would be shed loads of money and the interior could be built on a stage :)
What about Choppers marathon trek across to Oz?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 15 December, 2010, 11:41:49 PM
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 15 December, 2010, 11:39:43 PM
I don't think location shooting at Ayers Rock would be shed loads of money and the interior could be built on a stage :)
What about Choppers marathon trek across to Oz?
Again you have quite a choice of inexpensive locations to use as the cursed earth and ocean Chopper crosses from Mega City One to OZ
I'd like to see Judge Cal.
Dredd'll look like Captain Huggable compared to Cal.
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 15 December, 2010, 11:49:23 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 15 December, 2010, 11:41:49 PM
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 15 December, 2010, 11:39:43 PM
I don't think location shooting at Ayers Rock would be shed loads of money and the interior could be built on a stage :)
What about Choppers marathon trek across to Oz?
Again you have quite a choice of inexpensive locations to use as the cursed earth and ocean Chopper crosses from Mega City One to OZ
Yes, but it's a lot of scenes to shoot, time is money in films especially when moving around that's why the current film is set in one location. Let's keep it all around locations within the city for a change, we've yet to get a full Dredd film that is about Mega City One which is part of the point.
Quote from: doggettX on 15 December, 2010, 11:57:19 PM
I'd like to see Judge Cal.
Dredd'll look like Captain Huggable compared to Cal.
I second that. To a certain degree, I see Cal as a more definitive villain for Dredd than Judge Death.
Love the idea that a film primarily about teleporting crazy judges and FLYING SURFBOARDS would be considered "low budget". How many effects shots?
Quote from: weehawk on 16 December, 2010, 12:05:09 AM
Quote from: doggettX on 15 December, 2010, 11:57:19 PM
I'd like to see Judge Cal.
Dredd'll look like Captain Huggable compared to Cal.
I second that. To a certain degree, I see Cal as a more definitive villain for Dredd than Judge Death.
I don't know--'Caligula in the future' might seem pretty silly to newcomers, and really, thinking about the Day the Law Died, I can't help but wonder why Justice Department didn't notice what an obvious nut he was prior to his scheme.
I would definitely want to see Orlok on screen at some point though. Reinvent him as some kind of Russian mercenary, perhaps, if the Sov angle is too outdated.
Quote from: Satnav on 16 December, 2010, 01:21:09 AM
Quote from: weehawk on 16 December, 2010, 12:05:09 AM
Quote from: doggettX on 15 December, 2010, 11:57:19 PM
I'd like to see Judge Cal.
Dredd'll look like Captain Huggable compared to Cal.
I second that. To a certain degree, I see Cal as a more definitive villain for Dredd than Judge Death.
I don't know--'Caligula in the future' might seem pretty silly to newcomers, and really, thinking about the Day the Law Died, I can't help but wonder why Justice Department didn't notice what an obvious nut he was prior to his scheme.
I would definitely want to see Orlok on screen at some point though. Reinvent him as some kind of Russian mercenary, perhaps, if the Sov angle is too outdated.
Spooky.
I was thinking about that this very morning.
Once again, isn't Orlock more of an Anderson villian than a Dredd one ?
(Evil Russians is never an outdated concept. *cough* World Cup *cough*)
Still, if they do spin-offs, and its a big
IF, Orlock would be fantastic.
If budget wasn't an issue in the sequels I still say they could do Block Mania/ Apocalypse War. Instead of Sovs they could use Volgs or some other rogue state.
I dont know, good suggestions but perhaps requiring a bit more knowledge than joe public would have to appreciate the story's depths with some of them?. Chopper could be good, I am pro Death, myself.
Very visual, very easy to get an effective atmosphere of evil etc going...plenty of budgetary effects are possible ( heart rippings, fire stunts, skeleton corpses and frightened faces are all that's really needed)
It could be quite easily put into another single location story, and he is the perfect 'instant' bad guy, without needing to explain a back story of history, as Death's little history could easily be told as a hissssssssssing monologue or something.
Mean Machine would be the perfect 'Jaws' character ( James Bond) btw.
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Quote from: Teivion on 16 December, 2010, 09:00:52 AM
I am pro Death, myself.
Very visual, very easy to get an effective atmosphere of evil etc going...plenty of budgetary effects are possible ( heart rippings, fire stunts, skeleton corpses and frightened faces are all that's really needed)
It could be quite easily put into another single location story, and he is the perfect 'instant' bad guy, without needing to explain a back story of history, as Death's little history could easily be told as a hissssssssssing monologue or something.
The FX are the easier bit, it's the premise and character that would be hard to put on-screen.
Yeah, think you could end up with some kind of Jigsaw/John Doe type serial killer.
The only way I think it could work in the world they seem to be creating, and still keeping it 'Death' is more the psi-hallucination route, like the countdown to Necropolis, so citizens are hallucinating that it's a walking corpse, and in reality rip their own hearts out etc.
As for the source - as has been mentioned, a rogue psi-judge, or maybe a long-walker come back from the Cursed Earth.
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I don't think location shooting at Ayers Rock would be shed loads of money and the interior could be built on a stage :)
What about Choppers marathon trek across to Oz?
Again you have quite a choice of inexpensive locations to use as the cursed earth and ocean Chopper crosses from Mega City One to OZ
Yes, but it's a lot of scenes to shoot, time is money in films especially when moving around that's why the current film is set in one location. Let's keep it all around locations within the city for a change, we've yet to get a full Dredd film that is about Mega City One which is part of the point.
That is why if you read my first thread I mention this in the context of using this storyline in subsequent sequel/s (if the film does well enough to warrant them) where more money would be available. I'm all for keeping this 1st movie grounded in Mega City One (I didn't say I wanted it set elsewhere) as it is the starting point of the birth of the Judges. Without the crime ridden streets of Mega City One the Judges never would have needed to be invented and society would go on with the Courts, Jury system and the soft sentencing we see EVERY DAY in the world today!!
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2010, 12:14:18 AM
Love the idea that a film primarily about teleporting crazy judges and FLYING SURFBOARDS would be considered "low budget". How many effects shots?
The CGI for the Chopper Supersurf may be fairly expensive but depends how much screen time you give it in the context whether you literally take the story page for page and translate it onto the screen. The effects shots for a couple of Judda and Dredd teleporting are not going to be expensive. A lot of the scenes covering that storyline would be set based, i.e. Halls of Justice when the Judda attack and when interrogating the Judda, inside Ayers Rock when Dredd infiltrates and takes on the Judda etc!!
QuoteIf budget wasn't an issue in the sequels I still say they could do Block Mania/ Apocalypse War. Instead of Sovs they could use Volgs or some other rogue state.
I wish people would stop going on about adapting
The Apocalypse War - it's never gonna happen. At a stretch they could use a few story elements from Block Mania, but even that I doubt.
Quote from: radiator on 16 December, 2010, 11:01:50 AM
QuoteIf budget wasn't an issue in the sequels I still say they could do Block Mania/ Apocalypse War. Instead of Sovs they could use Volgs or some other rogue state.
I wish people would stop going on about adapting The Apocalypse War - it's never gonna happen. At a stretch they could use a few story elements from Block Mania, but even that I doubt.
I agree, the budget to do Apocalypse War would need to be HUGE!!! Far too expensive to do it as a film especially if you wanted to that storyline real justice as that's one you couldn't make/do half hearted.
For a movie, you need self-contained and short. Depending on the tech level of the movie Dredd, Mandroid or Mechanismo could potentially work (although the latter would require a budget boost). Of the other major characters through Dredd's years, I really like the idea of PJ Maybe, since it's very different, but I imagine it'd be a tough sell.
QuoteI agree, the budget to do Apocalypse War would need to be HUGE!!! Far too expensive to do it as a film especially if you wanted to that storyline real justice as that's one you couldn't make/do half hearted.
I think that much more so than budgetary reasons, it's simply an inappropriate story to adapt as a film. The Dredd films need to be focused - and when you boil it down Dredd is a
cop. Why would the filmmakers go to so much effort establishing his role in the first film only to suddenly recast him as a soldier? Especially one fighting in an archaic Cold War fantasy scenario? It makes no sense whatsoever.
Never gonna happen.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2010, 11:26:31 AM
For a movie, you need self-contained and short. Depending on the tech level of the movie Dredd, Mandroid or Mechanismo could potentially work (although the latter would require a budget boost). Of the other major characters through Dredd's years, I really like the idea of PJ Maybe, since it's very different, but I imagine it'd be a tough sell.
I'd mentioned
Mandroid before as an ideal choice of story. Adequately futuristic, great characters and Dredd being at his very best in the Meg.
I think it's very dodgy ground to try to account for, or predict, 'what the public will like'. The last decade or so has seen worldwide cinema audiences embrace movies as diverse as Mama Mia, Avatar, The Blair Witch Project, Saw, The Lord of the Rings, Iron Man and Meet The Parents. It's very distressing to read opinion that somehow the core notions of dredd are 'unsuitable for a wider audience'. Bollocks, i say. If done with respect for the source material, Judge Death et al would work perfectly. The readership over the years has loved laughing at/being horrified by Death, and there is absolutely no reason why the character wouldnt translate as is, without deleting everything that makes him who he is.
Unless of course, what people are actually saying is 'remove everything that is silly and could be laughed at' so they can indulge their fantasy that Dredd is a serious, highminded strip that should never become 'embarrassing'.
Death is a shoo-in for any potential sequel, just as a version of necropolis is for part three. Batman/ joker, spidey/goblin, holmes/moriarty, dredd/death. DNA are hoping this, inexpensive, initial installment will lead to more expensive sequels. The question is, will they have the balls do Death properly, or turn him into some 'in name only' serial killer/ rogue psi judge/ mutant bastardisation?
SBT
Call Me Kenneth would be another good shout I reckon
With the CGI these days 'Robot Wars' would be a winner if you look at films like transformers.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 16 December, 2010, 11:47:15 AM
I think it's very dodgy ground to try to account for, or predict, 'what the public will like'. The last decade or so has seen worldwide cinema audiences embrace movies as diverse as Mama Mia, Avatar, The Blair Witch Project, Saw, The Lord of the Rings, Iron Man and Meet The Parents. It's very distressing to read opinion that somehow the core notions of dredd are 'unsuitable for a wider audience'. Bollocks, i say. If done with respect for the source material, Judge Death et al would work perfectly. The readership over the years has loved laughing at/being horrified by Death, and there is absolutely no reason why the character wouldnt translate as is, without deleting everything that makes him who he is.
Unless of course, what people are actually saying is 'remove everything that is silly and could be laughed at' so they can indulge their fantasy that Dredd is a serious, highminded strip that should never become 'embarrassing'.
Death is a shoo-in for any potential sequel, just as a version of necropolis is for part three. Batman/ joker, spidey/goblin, holmes/moriarty, dredd/death. DNA are hoping this, inexpensive, initial installment will lead to more expensive sequels. The question is, will they have the balls do Death properly, or turn him into some 'in name only' serial killer/ rogue psi judge/ mutant bastardisation?
SBT
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Everything you said +1
Writing Death in with a new history? awful idea. There aren't enough 'weirdo' vilains out there, closest being Ledger's The Joker but even he was grounded with a mental asylum background etc etc.
Death would make a perfect Freddy Krueger type anti hero too- he is 'cool', easy to understand and highly visual, which makes for good press too.
Also, there hasn't been another villain like him as an adversary ( cue loads of people proving me wrong) Sure The Angel Gang would be good- but they are just a Gang. Rico- maybe, but he's just the evil twin.
I cant see how he would be 'hard to put on screen', no harder than Dredd himself.
As Steve said ( from memory but not far off)
'A walking, immortal corpse from another dimension, who thinks all life is a crime and kills people by ripping their hearts out'
That's the best synopsis Ive heard yet on this thread ;-)
QuoteUnless of course, what people are actually saying is 'remove everything that is silly and could be laughed at' so they can indulge their fantasy that Dredd is a serious, highminded strip that should never become 'embarrassing'.
For a film adaptation, I absolutely do believe they
should remove things that are silly or would get laughed at, just as they have done in pretty much
all recent comic book adaptations. Just because something works on the page doesn't mean it will work on screen. And on the same point, a lot of the sillier elements of Dredd are thingsfrom stories that were written many years ago - I tend to prefer modern, grittier stories like
The Pit and
Mandroid so that's the side of Dredd I want to see reflected in the movie. It's no more a 'fantasy' than your assertion that Judge Dredd is primarily a comedy, which I don't agree with at all.
I don't really understand your point here - are you seriously suggesting that adaptations should never, ever change
anything from their source material? Now that
is bollocks. You cite
Lord of the Rings as something that was popular - would those films have been so well received if the characters had all burst into long-winded songs every five minutes like they do in the books? No - Peter Jackson and co (very wisely)
ADAPTED the books into something more accessible, more streamlined and slightly more 'realistic' - something infinitely more relevant to a wider audience. Literal, frame by frame adaptations usually end in disaster (
Watchmen), and the ones that work (
Sin City, 300), work because they are such simple stories to start with. With something so sprawling and tonally uneven as Dredd, you need to choose carefully what sort of Dredd stories you want to translate.
Duncan Jones turned down the chance of directing
Dredd precisely because he wanted to make something pretty bonkers, and didn't want to go down the realism route - so maybe in his more stylised version you could incorporate a lot more of the crazier elements from Dredd's world into a film, but I have no doubt it would be an even bigger flop than the Stallone one.
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I think it's very dodgy ground to try to account for, or predict, 'what the public will like'. The last decade or so has seen worldwide cinema audiences embrace movies as diverse as Mama Mia, Avatar, The Blair Witch Project, Saw, The Lord of the Rings, Iron Man and Meet The Parents. It's very distressing to read opinion that somehow the core notions of dredd are 'unsuitable for a wider audience'. Bollocks, i say. If done with respect for the source material, Judge Death et al would work perfectly. The readership over the years has loved laughing at/being horrified by Death, and there is absolutely no reason why the character wouldnt translate as is, without deleting everything that makes him who he is.
Unless of course, what people are actually saying is 'remove everything that is silly and could be laughed at' so they can indulge their fantasy that Dredd is a serious, highminded strip that should never become 'embarrassing'. Death is a shoo-in for any potential sequel, just as a version of necropolis is for part three. Batman/ joker, spidey/goblin, holmes/moriarty, dredd/death. DNA are hoping this, inexpensive, initial installment will lead to more expensive sequels. The question is, will they have the balls do Death properly, or turn him into some 'in name only' serial killer/ rogue psi judge/ mutant bastardisation?
SBT
Agreed 100%. I don't know where all the anti weird storyline talk is coming from. The strange and wacky stories are part of what makes Dredd what it is. The realism of Christopher Nolens Batman is fine coming after the 60's Batman and Batman and Robin. But absolute realism isn't the only way to make a comic book movie nowadays.
Prime examples I always mention are The Thing Alien and Predator. On the surface these are gritty and somewhat believable films but they have crazy scifi elements that are made to work on screen.
OK...
I'd suggest that by knocking off all edges in a concept, you end up with something that is more limiting in what you can actually use, especially in something that is supposed to be science fiction.
It is, after all, an adaptation of a comic-book, and I just don't see the point of trying to turn into something it's not.
Forgetting about adaptations for a second.
Count the iconic things in genre films that are a bit 'dumb', and can you really argue that cutting them out would make them better?
I'd argue that genre films would be far, far duller for that - if every film we had was using a Nolan Dark Knight template, I just wouldn't want to watch.
I'm just not keen on Judge Death. Not even in the comic. I think he's a one note villain with nowhere to go and no interesting stories to tell.
I imagine we will see Death if there's a sequel and he will probably be a very different Death to the one we see in the comic. I doubt that there will be any mention of parallel dimensions in this new, 'realistic' movie world.
If it was up to me, I'd much prefer to see Orlok as the villain in the sequel with a Block War, 'hunt the bad guy' storyline, setting up the third film for a full scale Apocalypse War plot.
That's just me though.
QuoteI'm just not keen on Judge Death. Not even in the comic. I think he's a one note villain with nowhere to go and no interesting stories to tell.
I kind of agree- Death has pretty much done to (forgive me) death as a character in the comic- although Rich and Conor are managing to find clever new ways to use him and his buddies in their Dark Judgement book- but this doesn't mean he'd be useless in a movie.
They's need to pad the original tale out a bit- or perhaps stick it together with Judge Death Lives... but that would mean that Dredd 2 was also about Dredd and Anderson stuck in a cityblock...
QuotePrime examples I always mention are The Thing Alien and Predator. On the surface these are gritty and somewhat believable films but they have crazy scifi elements that are made to work on screen.
Eh? That comparison doesn't make any sense at all. In each of those films you have a single otherworldly element introduced into an otherwise grounded 'real-world' scenario. Entirely different from expecting an audience to swallow everything that a literal translation of Judge Death would demand (parallel dimensions and inter-dimensional travel, a parallel world that very conveniently has it's own judges, the supernatural, the existence of undead beings) ON TOP of everything else we're presented with in Dredd's world - which is already in itself a pretty tough sell.
I think a lot of people here are coming across as a bit naive about what would actually work in a film as opposed to a comic strip. The argument of 'well, if it works in the comic...' doesn't hold any water. I don't know if you've noticed, but Dredd isn't exactly a mainstream comic book these days. It's very much a
niche property, and it's not surprising that the filmmakers are putting their own stamp on it and making it more contemporary (while keeping true to the
spirit of the original). That's the best way to approach it - tbh, if it was obvious that they
were making a slavish, literal translation of the comics, frankly I'd be worried right now because I have no doubt it would tank hard.
I'm sorry if it appears that I'm being down on Dredd - I
love the comics but (a few graphic novels like
America aside) it's not really something I recommend to friends because I know that it's very much an acquired taste and I wouldn't expect many people to warm to it as much as me.
One thing I think we can all agree on: this movie needs to be more Hamlet n' eggs.
What?
Ah, but here you are missing the trick.
If you look at Bond villains, 90% of them could have been the same person- ie 'we/I have bomb/plot/revenge that will destroy somethingsomething"
What made them different is the quality of the writing. Only the Daniel Craig Bonds were the turnaround, as his storylines were more personal to him, rather than his country.
Hell, most famous TV shows do tend to rotate around the same plot. The Ateam got away with it for a decade.Dangermouse and Baron Greenback. He-Man and Skeletor. (I'm embarrassing myself now....)
The Cenobites from Hellraiser would also be a great way to compare in movie terms how he could become an icon.
Could Death recruit or make Fear, Fire and Mortis from crazed MegaCity citizens perhaps?
Starts off a bit like Se7en perhaps....
I think what I am trying to say is that Death will work as he is a recognisable, distinct and original character, and its only how he is or would be written that would make him one dimensional.
No, me too. My liking for Death goes as far as Death/ Death Lives and then Necropolis at a pinch. In fact, I strongly remember even when Necropolis was in the prog (at the tail end of the time when I knew multiple people who bought 2000AD on a weekly basis), that we all thought it was crap and Death had become a joke. But crucially we were all 20 year olds who had bought into the idea that "comics have grown up", still smarting from the whispers and perceived teenage innuendo, not confident enough to just admit that we didn't necessarily just like Hellblazer/ Sandman/ Watchmen/ Dark Knight Returns. We wanted our prog to be like Vertigo, and Necropolis was a great big macabre joke. Not serious enough! Not scary enough!
Reading it recently, I was struck at just how good it actually was- structurally (in the build-up), how it plays out, and of course Carlos's art.
Without going into a discussion as to why Death is a bit rubbish post-Nec, I'll just agree that he is and say that other threads on this very board have got that pretty much nailed.
But- he is one of the strips true icons. He is as synonymous with Dredd as those other villains I mentioned are to their heroes. Don't believe me? Look, he's over there ->
With all due respect to PJ Maybe, Orlok and the rest, it ain't them standing holding a cocktail.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with a parallel dimension plot- not that that is even a vital part of the mix. He is, after all, an "alien" superfiend. Or does the quest to force this ridiculous comedy world of Dredd into a "realistic" box now mean we don't have aliens, in case the audience doesn't accept them? Can monkeys still become mayor? Are there ape gangs? Will we see Dredd ever liberating poor, caged, Stookies?
As for "what works on the page doesn't necessarily work on the screen"- true, but equally it doesn't necessarily not. If I were adapting Death for the screen, his ridiculous origin (not the dentist bit, that's up for grabs- I mean the "alien skeleton in fetish gear who believes all life to be a crime" shtick) would very definately be in. It's ludicrous, very funny, and deeply scary in the execution.
I just wouldn't have him singing on stage or hanging out with blind/deaf old ladies.
SBT
Quote from: Teivion on 16 December, 2010, 09:00:52 AMI am pro Death, myself.
We need a new badge saying: "Judge Death was right."
Quote from: Noisybast on 16 December, 2010, 01:54:28 PM
One thing I think we can all agree on: this movie needs to be more Hamlet n' eggs.
Yes.
If they are going to do Judge Death then they should do Judge Death... not some 'real world' version.
If he's not a super fiend from an alternative dimension who punishes the living and says 'the crime isss lifffee.. etc...' it's not Judge Death.
Do it properly or not at all.
I think they should keep the more supernautural stuff for an Anderson film.
It gives her stories her own identity. Although I wouldn't mind a cameo in the new flick od the next. Also, Dredd is kinda useless against Death anyway so it wouldn't make much sense in his sequel...
The great thing about the comic is that its action, comedy, horror, satire, crime, adventure... Its why we all love it. I guess it will be tricky truying to fit it all into one film without it feeling like a complete mess.
I think the sequel will be an original story without any comic villians. It might introduce more Judges from the comic.
Thats what I'm hoping...
Amiee Nixon !
Presumably you lot also think they should also have Karl Urban shouting "Bike Cannon!" and "Leg Shot!", while eating synthi-sausage and hanging about with Walter the Wobot too!
Quote from: radiator on 16 December, 2010, 04:39:39 PM
Presumably you lot also think they should also have Karl Urban shouting "Bike Cannon!" and "Leg Shot!", while eating synthi-sausage and hanging about with Walter the Wobot too!
Yes,In a perfect world. But we can only dream.
Seriously though I think of Judge Dredd as Sci Fi, and I think the film should reflect that to some extent. It is obviously not feasible to include everything from the comic, that would be insane. But with clever writing there is always a way that they could do justice to the scifi/ horror aspects of the comic.
Quote from: doggettX on 16 December, 2010, 04:23:54 PM
The great thing about the comic is that its action, comedy, horror, satire, crime, adventure... Its why we all love it. I guess it will be tricky truying to fit it all into one film without it feeling like a complete mess.
The previous JD film tried to squash too much into a 90 minute film which is one of the main reasons it failed and felt like a complete mess so its a bad idea to do that again as it needs to be more focussed which it sounds like its going to be.
The strip is all of those things but never all at once in a storyline so why try to do that in a film ?
Quote from: Steve Green on 16 December, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
OK...
I'd suggest that by knocking off all edges in a concept, you end up with something that is more limiting in what you can actually use, especially in something that is supposed to be science fiction.
It is, after all, an adaptation of a comic-book, and I just don't see the point of trying to turn into something it's not.
Forgetting about adaptations for a second.
Count the iconic things in genre films that are a bit 'dumb', and can you really argue that cutting them out would make them better?
I'd argue that genre films would be far, far duller for that - if every film we had was using a Nolan Dark Knight template, I just wouldn't want to watch.
Exactly.
I still dont understand the fixation on "realistic" scifi/genre films.I have said what i think about that already but the realistic angle can be something that works in a genre film but i dont see why genre films should all have to fit the criteria of being realistic as if its the latest thing that all genre films should aspire to as it all becomes a formula.
I get sick and tired of people who have to copy what others have done and i dont want to find myself in a "realistic movie world" at the expense of everything else thanks very much.
I am sick and tired of hearing about the Christopher Nolan/ Dark Knight template already
Walter the wobot is a robot comedy sidekick, and as we all know they never work. Er wait, yes they do. I'd be 100% happier if walter was in it, and max normal ('he's dredd's informer') too. And what's wrong with, 'um, synthi sausage'?!? And grot pots!
But yes, i know what you mean. You want it all within the realms of what the imagined, imaginatively-starved blockbuster audience thinks of as 'reality'. Like Bladerunner, but without the ludicrous idea that robots could ever look like people to such a degree they mistake themselves for the real thing, and the galactic travel.
I think you got your wish Radiator- because that seems to be how it is. It's not the Dredd movie i want to see- but in my own, miserablist, close-reading way, im just as excited as you. Im just creaming myself over a whole year of moaning about it.
SBT
Quote from: radiator on 16 December, 2010, 04:39:39 PM
Presumably you lot also think they should also have Karl Urban shouting "Bike Cannon!" and "Leg Shot!", while eating synthi-sausage and hanging about with Walter the Wobot too!
No middle ground then? Just hyperbole?
QuoteNo middle ground then? Just hyperbole?
Hey, I'm all in favour of middle ground, but there seems to be an awful lot of people on these forums who seem to think they shouldn't change a single thing and they should somehow just film the comics as is!
It's worth remembering that even the most 'comic booky' comic book movies like
Spider-Man scale back
a lot of the more corny elements of their source material.
QuoteBut yes, i know what you mean. You want it all within the realms of what the imagined, imaginatively-starved blockbuster audience thinks of as 'reality'.
If you mean that I'm thinking about things realistically, then yes. For what it's worth, from what I've seen and heard so far it's not going to be my ideal Dredd movie either. If anything I think they might have gone a little too far down the realistic route and I really hope that at least some typical Mega-City craziness makes it into the finished film. But overall, I think they're going about it the right way and the film stands a very real chance of being a success. Very glad we're getting this instead of those extremely dodgy-sounding 'Shoreline' films that were being talked up a few years ago!
One of the reasons the 1995 movie failed was the stupid comedy sidekick undermining every bit of tension and gravitas. I can't see how a robot with a speech impediment would be a big improvement on that.
Radiator, there we agree. Though i do understand sc*j*'s scripts were quite something! ;)
As far as walter goes, he's an r2d2 clone, like k9, b.o.b and v.i.n.cent. Kids love them, but sadly kids have been factored out of this film.
SBT
Off the topic, but I'm off to xmas drinks with the cast and crew.. Heehee..
Have fun - don't want to hear about drunken antics with a lawgiver though :)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 16 December, 2010, 06:05:10 PM
Off the topic, but I'm off to xmas drinks with the cast and crew.. Heehee..
I'm sure if you can swipe a lock of Karl Urban's hair my other half will pay a fortune for it. She needs it for a cloning project or something.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 16 December, 2010, 06:05:10 PM
Off the topic, but I'm off to xmas drinks with the cast and crew.. Heehee..
As he hasn't popped up, anything Dreddy you could... appropriate for Mr Commando Forces and his Cellar of Dredd (http://cellarofdredd.blogspot.com/) would be much appreciated. ;)
YES
I try not to post in this thread, mainly as it has gone absolutely crazy but I'm with Emperor on this one ;)
The only problem with a Death film is it turning into just a horror flick. Just like the abortion that was starship troopers II.
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Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2010, 05:32:55 PM
One of the reasons the 1995 movie failed was the stupid comedy sidekick undermining every bit of tension and gravitas. I can't see how a robot with a speech impediment would be a big improvement on that.
Because Walter is a huge step up from Rob Schneider.
Quote from: flintlockjaw on 16 December, 2010, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2010, 05:32:55 PM
One of the reasons the 1995 movie failed was the stupid comedy sidekick undermining every bit of tension and gravitas. I can't see how a robot with a speech impediment would be a big improvement on that.
Because Walter is a huge step up from Rob Schneider.
Taller too.
If there are to be no robots of any kind in the new movie, it would be cool if there was a 'Walter' coffee maker in the background of a scene.
Quote from: flintlockjaw on 16 December, 2010, 11:42:23 PMBecause Walter is a huge step up from Rob Schneider.
Only in the sense that intestinal flu is a step up from rabies.
Quote from: vzzbux on 16 December, 2010, 09:48:19 PM
The only problem with a Death film is it turning into just a horror flick. Just like the abortion that was starship troopers II.
V
The problem is that they made it Starship Troopers 2, instead of a Starship Troopers universe movie.. The expectations on what was essentially a completely unrelated story were way too high.. As fan films go, however, it's not too bad..
Plus it was Phil Tippets full directorial debut*- quite a baptism by fire !
*If I remember
where.s is this judge Anderson pic :lol:
What SBT said. Though Cal was my second favourite option. I'm guessing his craziness would be a little tempered, but I seem to remember the original employing his horse in government once?
I'd be disappointed if they went through all the trouble of making several films and left out Dredd's Joker or watered him down beyond recognition.
The film version should have been EXACTLY the same as the comic.
I'm truly dismayed by peoples comments on this thread. "If it was exactly like the comic it would be silly", well maybe you were rolling your eyes and laughing ironically as you read the wacky antics of Dredd, but personally, I was glued to the page, entranced by the action, excitement, and - yes - comedy of the stories. The idea that films operate in some rarefied domain over "childish" comics is complete horseshit.
If an idea is good, make a film that fits the idea, don't warp the idea to fit the "requirements" of a film. "A Walter Coffee machine"?! I want to see a robot vending machine with a lisp, crying oil onto Dredd's boots while he pretends to be a robot with plasti-skin. And I want to see him travel into the Cursed Earth and get some fucking tinned corn from the Jolly Green Giant.
But who cares what I think?
Quote from: Jared Katooie;569418The film version should have been EXACTLY the same as the comic.
I'm truly dismayed by peoples comments on this thread. "If it was exactly like the comic it would be silly", well maybe you were rolling your eyes and laughing ironically as you read the wacky antics of Dredd, but personally, I was glued to the page, entranced by the action, excitement, and - yes - comedy of the stories. The idea that films operate in some rarefied domain over "childish" comics is complete horseshit.
If an idea is good, make a film that fits the idea, don't warp the idea to fit the "requirements" of a film. "A Walter Coffee machine"?! I want to see a robot vending machine with a lisp, crying oil onto Dredd's boots while he pretends to be a robot with plasti-skin. And I want to see him travel into the Cursed Earth and get some fucking tinned corn from the Jolly Green Giant.
But who cares what I think?
You tell em' fella, ... Keep the spirit of 2000ad and its characters true.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 18 December, 2010, 09:40:50 PM
The film version should have been EXACTLY the same as the comic.
There certainly have been good films which have been very close to the original comic material in tone and look.
Sin City is a good example. However:
QuoteThe idea that films operate in some rarefied domain over "childish" comics is complete horseshit.
I don't think many of us think that.
The main comment against the comic version of the suit is that it is impractical, which doesn't automatically mean we think it's childish!
Comic art (and art in general) has a tendency to exaggerate and stylize, and that's a legitimate way to go in that medium. That doesn't mean it would translate well to film though. Which doesn't mean it
wouldn't (there are different types of film after all) but it's understandable stance if they're going the realistic practical route.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 18 December, 2010, 09:40:50 PM
The film version should have been EXACTLY the same as the comic.
I'm truly dismayed by peoples comments on this thread. "If it was exactly like the comic it would be silly", well maybe you were rolling your eyes and laughing ironically as you read the wacky antics of Dredd, but personally, I was glued to the page, entranced by the action, excitement, and - yes - comedy of the stories. The idea that films operate in some rarefied domain over "childish" comics is complete horseshit.
If an idea is good, make a film that fits the idea, don't warp the idea to fit the "requirements" of a film. "A Walter Coffee machine"?! I want to see a robot vending machine with a lisp, crying oil onto Dredd's boots while he pretends to be a robot with plasti-skin. And I want to see him travel into the Cursed Earth and get some fucking tinned corn from the Jolly Green Giant.
But who cares what I think?
I think you completely misunderstand what is and isn't translatable in
Dredd. A lot of it isn't translatable because it is so episodic, not exactly the characters or ideas are the problem, but remember those epic stories are built on an established world, idiosyncratic tone and characters that have been developed over years and years of stories. You don't have that luxury of time in films and screenwriters know this.
Dredd, the comic, didn't start off completely and wholely developed, the films won't either. You must learn to walk before you can run.
Films aren't broken up into 25 episodic parts that jump around a lot with dozens and dozens of characters ala Judge Child, Cursed earth et al. so the pacing and scenes are completely different for a 2 hour film which is roughly made of 3 dramatic acts with turning points etc, that's why a lot of the later, deeper character stuff is more adaptable.
Plus a lot of those older strips have dated, whether you like it or not, no matter how much fun they still are to our nostalgic, adult minds. They don't always strike the chord they did in the 80's and probably won't with a new audience, which the films will be made for and only not for a smaller group of old/hardcore fans.
Quite. And if the film really does have a budget of around $45m, that means it needs to take at least $90m at the flicks before it starts getting anywhere near profitability and any chance whatsoever of a sequel. The only way that's going to happen is if it's palatable to a fairly wide audience.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 18 December, 2010, 09:40:50 PM
The idea that films operate in some rarefied domain over "childish" comics is complete horseshit.
I don't believe anyone on this forum has said that and it may be a silly thing to say on a comic forum mostly attended by "mature men", but I think people generally can feel/know what will and will not work and play to an audience, and that has little to do with childishness and more to do with being a smart audient. Good films are crafted over months and years of hard work and thought, many of the early
Dredd tales were off-the-cuff and written in days and I'm not saying they were badly written because they were indeed written and drawn by smart and talented people but to think that the same product can be directly translated to a different medium is naive.
What is beng adapted, in essence, is
Judge Dredd the idea and character because that is the core identity of what has evolved over the past 30 years and the element that remains compelling. Let's start there first.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 17 December, 2010, 05:56:35 AM
Quote from: vzzbux on 16 December, 2010, 09:48:19 PM
The only problem with a Death film is it turning into just a horror flick. Just like the abortion that was starship troopers II.
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The problem is that they made it Starship Troopers 2, instead of a Starship Troopers universe movie.. The expectations on what was essentially a completely unrelated story were way too high.. As fan films go, however, it's not too bad..
No, the only problem is they made Starship Troopers... it's pure shit!
Now, it's been a while since i seen it but... is the premise of the film that 'bugs'' are chucking rocks at earth?
Question one.. why?
Question two... how do these 'bugs' even know earth exists.... just exactly what space programme did they have running at the time?
And even if they did have that... for them to chuck rocks at a planat light years away they must have started chucking them hundreds of years ago (our time) which means they would have had to perdict planet trajectory to see where earth would be in 100 years (or so) for their rocks to impact....
Starship Troopers = Balls.
FACT!
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 12:35:39 AM
Question one.. why?
Question two... how do these 'bugs' even know earth exists.... just exactly what space programme did they have running at the time?
And even if they did have that... for them to chuck rocks at a planat light years away they must have started chucking them hundreds of years ago (our time) which means they would have had to perdict planet trajectory to see where earth would be in 100 years (or so) for their rocks to impact....
Starship Troopers = Balls.
FACT!
I think those matters are totally irrelevant and low priority to the idea and thrust of the film. It's like asking why was
Clarence Bodicker such a bad man, pointless. The film isn't about the aliens but the humans.
No.. I think it's quite an important point regarding how the bugs even know earth exists... it's what the whole film is based upon.
Clarence Bodicker is just a bad ass out for personal gain... why where the bugs attacking earth and how could they pridict the trajectory of the rocks they were throwing?
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 12:48:35 AM
No.. I think it's quite an important point regarding how the bugs even know earth exists... it's what the whole film is based upon.
The whole film is based upon the propganda put forth by the war machine that encourages gullible people to be a part of that machine. I don't know anyone who gave a hoot as to who and what the bugs were. It's the equivalent to saying that Bodicker was just a bad ass and that why he is the way he is, the aliens don't need anymore than that which is the thrust of what the propaganda films were saying, that's the film's internal logic working.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2010, 12:39:28 AM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 12:35:39 AM
Question one.. why?
Question two... how do these 'bugs' even know earth exists.... just exactly what space programme did they have running at the time?
And even if they did have that... for them to chuck rocks at a planat light years away they must have started chucking them hundreds of years ago (our time) which means they would have had to perdict planet trajectory to see where earth would be in 100 years (or so) for their rocks to impact....
Starship Troopers = Balls.
FACT!
I think those matters are totally irrelevant and low priority to the idea and thrust of the film. It's like asking why was Clarence Bodicker such a bad man, pointless. The film isn't about the aliens but the humans.
And why the humans just don't climb inside a tank and squash the bugs...
That's like asking why didn't the Eagles just fly the One Ring into mount Doom. Doesn't really mean anything.
Quote from: noodles on 19 December, 2010, 12:57:58 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2010, 12:39:28 AM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 12:35:39 AM
Question one.. why?
Question two... how do these 'bugs' even know earth exists.... just exactly what space programme did they have running at the time?
And even if they did have that... for them to chuck rocks at a planat light years away they must have started chucking them hundreds of years ago (our time) which means they would have had to perdict planet trajectory to see where earth would be in 100 years (or so) for their rocks to impact....
Starship Troopers = Balls.
FACT!
I think those matters are totally irrelevant and low priority to the idea and thrust of the film. It's like asking why was Clarence Bodicker such a bad man, pointless. The film isn't about the aliens but the humans.
And why the humans just don't climb inside a tank and squash the bugs...
Exactly.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 12:48:35 AM
Clarence Bodicker is just a bad ass out for personal gain... why where the bugs attacking earth and how could they pridict the trajectory of the rocks they were throwing?
This is all inferred but I think the bugs were re-directing asteroids towards Earth in response to mankinds aggressive colonisation of space.
As to how they figured out the trajectory, I'm going to say that they were able to make complex calculations by dint of their link with the super-intelligent "brain bug". It's a feeble explanation, but at least I tried.
Interestingly I really enjoyed Starship Troopers despite the fact that it was possibly the least accurate adaptation of all time. Does that make me a hypocrite, I wonder?
Who cares. I still want to see Dredd face off against Krong in the new movie. They could do it in stop-motion to save money! Also starring: Kevin O'Neill as himself!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2010, 01:02:43 AM
That's like asking why didn't the Eagles just fly the One Ring into mount Doom. Doesn't really mean anything.
Easy. Thermal currents.
Just re-read 'City of the Damned' for the first time in twenty years and the whole scope of the thing is massive -you just couldn't hope to cram half of it into a two hour movie and I think most of Dredd's stories are the same because Mega-City One is so insanely complex.
Dredd certainly has the potential to generate sequels but I reckon it means re-establishing a fairly solid base for people to appreciate. This new film seems to be aiming at doing that without overreaching a la the Danny Cannon disaster.
All I can say is "BIKE CANNON!"
Quote from: noodles on 19 December, 2010, 01:12:36 AM
Just re-read 'City of the Damned' for the first time in twenty years and the whole scope of the thing is massive -you just couldn't hope to cram half of it into a two hour movie and I think most of Dredd's stories are the same because Mega-City One is so insanely complex.
It's only the old
Epics that cause this problem which are the stories that most seem to focus on when talking film adadptation. It's like wanting to adapt
Secret Wars or
Crisis on IE, if anyone really wanted to, it would end up a mess or diluted to a lesser entity.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 19 December, 2010, 01:12:26 AM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 12:48:35 AM
Clarence Bodicker is just a bad ass out for personal gain... why where the bugs attacking earth and how could they pridict the trajectory of the rocks they were throwing?
This is all inferred but I think the bugs were re-directing asteroids towards Earth in response to mankinds aggressive colonisation of space.
As to how they figured out the trajectory, I'm going to say that they were able to make complex calculations by dint of their link with the super-intelligent "brain bug". It's a feeble explanation, but at least I tried.
Interestingly I really enjoyed Starship Troopers despite the fact that it was possibly the least accurate adaptation of all time. Does that make me a hypocrite, I wonder?
Who cares. I still want to see Dredd face off against Krong in the new movie. They could do it in stop-motion to save money! Also starring: Kevin O'Neill as himself!
Yes.. but to hit earth with their asteriods, even with their link with the brain bug they would have to have started their attack thousands of years ago.. long before mankinds agressive colonisation of space even started.
The whole film is a nonsense.
And heres a thought... why didn'd the humans just fuckin nuke the bug planet from orbit... no need what so ever for hand do hand combat.
Just shit... or am I thinking too much??
The film is a satire of war and the news -not a rumination on aliens species- it should be judged on that level mostly, the rest is just sci fi dressing.
I knew the satire on war thing would come up.... but i don't buy it.
I tend to judge things on what I see, and what I seen was a highly implausable scenario involving bugs with no technology whatsoever atacking a planet they could have never have known existed that was light years away from their own.
And even being told it's a satire on war.. it's still a shit film.
For a satire on war I'd suggest Dr Strangelove.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 01:36:39 AM
I knew the satire on war thing would come up.... but i don't buy it.
So even though that was Verhoeven's intention, and is quite obvious from the faux broadcasts ala Robocop, you say it's not the point of the film?
Strangelove is not the only film that's allowed to be a war satire, including it as a comparison makes little sense.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 01:23:32 AM
Yes.. but to hit earth with their asteriods, even with their link with the brain bug they would have to have started their attack thousands of years ago.. long before mankinds agressive colonisation of space even started.
Hmm. That's something I hadn't considered. There is no easy explanation for this. Maybe... a wormhole? Precognition? Clutching at straws here...
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 01:23:32 AM
And heres a thought... why didn'd the humans just fuckin nuke the bug planet from orbit... no need what so ever for hand do hand combat.
Well maybe their nuclear technology isn't that much more advanced than our own. It would take a massive ammount of explosive power to wipe out all life on a planet, and would also make it completely uninhapitable.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 01:23:32 AM
Just shit... or am I thinking too much??
No, but clearly I'm not thinking nearly enough. I still think that it isn't really relevant though.
There is some interesting discussion of these topics here: http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/nitpick.cgi?np=2126, and here: http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/nitpick.cgi?np=925
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 18 December, 2010, 09:40:50 PM
The film version should have been EXACTLY the same as the comic.
I'm truly dismayed by peoples comments on this thread. "If it was exactly like the comic it would be silly", well maybe you were rolling your eyes and laughing ironically as you read the wacky antics of Dredd, but personally, I was glued to the page, entranced by the action, excitement, and - yes - comedy of the stories. The idea that films operate in some rarefied domain over "childish" comics is complete horseshit.
If an idea is good, make a film that fits the idea, don't warp the idea to fit the "requirements" of a film. "A Walter Coffee machine"?! I want to see a robot vending machine with a lisp, crying oil onto Dredd's boots while he pretends to be a robot with plasti-skin. And I want to see him travel into the Cursed Earth and get some fucking tinned corn from the Jolly Green Giant.
But who cares what I think?
Well I appreciated this! It seriously brought tears to my eyes. Enough of this 'gritty realism' nonsense! That will become dated in no time! It already has. We've already seen the current movie going down this path from the beginning. I don't think budget is a suitable excuse either. It's actually more to do with the conservative nature of those who are creating it, and those who are defending it here.
I'd wanna see Rinus Limpopop Quintz as is, not portrayed as some geezer with dreadlocks selling toys at a local market. Let's keep it true to the original. Let's get some fucking tinned corn from the Jolly Green Giant.
Anyway, we'll all know in two years whether this has succeeded or not. I think the attitude around here will have changed significantly. Everyone will be vehemently defending Dredd on the grounds that it should NEVER be made into a movie again.
Quote from: minus on 19 December, 2010, 01:50:51 AM
I'd wanna see Rinus Limpopop Quintz as is, not portrayed as some geezer with dreadlocks selling toys at a local market. Let's keep it true to the original.
The problems with the story of the Judge Child as a film will never be the portrayal of
Rinus Limpopop Quintz or the need for gritty realism but of the brevity of films, motivations and familiarity with the workings of the settings and the span of time covered in a very episodic comic. A TV series/live or animated yes, a film, no. Would the convoluted/episodic Judge Child as a film be worth the risk against something with more weight, relevance and drama?
Budget is not an excuse, it's a constraint and in those constraints a
Dredd film which is pretty imaginative at it's base level needs to count every penny, adding epic or superfluous and fantastical elements is not an option.
I think the demonstration of what have been the most succesful and the most unsuccessful comic adaptations are indicative of the answer.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2010, 01:38:47 AM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 01:36:39 AM
I knew the satire on war thing would come up.... but i don't buy it.
So even though that was Verhoeven's intention, and is quite obvious from the faux broadcasts ala Robocop, you say it's not the point of the film?
Strangelove is not the only film that's allowed to be a war satire, including it as a comparison makes little sense.
Regardless if it was intended as a satire on war or not, as a film it doesn'r make sense.
And I can't quit believe that the majority of cimema goers who seen this film were thinking about how it was a satire on war, just as how the director intended... I'm guessing they were thinking.. ohh look at the spaceships.. look at the effects.. look at the guns!!!
And as a satire on war.. I think Dr Strangelove is a perfectly valid example, and shows it much more than Starship Troopers.
It was pretty damn obvious that the threat of the bugs in the ST film was just manufactured by the propaganda--Verhoeven wasn't exactly subtle about the nature of the state in the film (coughspaceSScough). You may as well ask why the prison guards in Natural Born Killers were so inept, or why national monuments are bundled so close together in Team America--that's just missing the point.
Quote from: minus on 19 December, 2010, 01:50:51 AM
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 18 December, 2010, 09:40:50 PM
The film version should have been EXACTLY the same as the comic.
I'm truly dismayed by peoples comments on this thread. "If it was exactly like the comic it would be silly", well maybe you were rolling your eyes and laughing ironically as you read the wacky antics of Dredd, but personally, I was glued to the page, entranced by the action, excitement, and - yes - comedy of the stories. The idea that films operate in some rarefied domain over "childish" comics is complete horseshit.
If an idea is good, make a film that fits the idea, don't warp the idea to fit the "requirements" of a film. "A Walter Coffee machine"?! I want to see a robot vending machine with a lisp, crying oil onto Dredd's boots while he pretends to be a robot with plasti-skin. And I want to see him travel into the Cursed Earth and get some fucking tinned corn from the Jolly Green Giant.
But who cares what I think?
Well I appreciated this! It seriously brought tears to my eyes. Enough of this 'gritty realism' nonsense! That will become dated in no time! It already has. We've already seen the current movie going down this path from the beginning. I don't think budget is a suitable excuse either. It's actually more to do with the conservative nature of those who are creating it, and those who are defending it here.
I'd wanna see Rinus Limpopop Quintz as is, not portrayed as some geezer with dreadlocks selling toys at a local market. Let's keep it true to the original. Let's get some fucking tinned corn from the Jolly Green Giant.
Anyway, we'll all know in two years whether this has succeeded or not. I think the attitude around here will have changed significantly. Everyone will be vehemently defending Dredd on the grounds that it should NEVER be made into a movie again.
You know, while lisping robots and green giants may be all well and good for hardcore fans--and let's be honest, there's not really that many--I wouldn't want to watch with some friends having to explain everything and see them go 'what the fuck is this?' when future-Soviets and very thinly veiled pop culture parodies show up out of nowhere. What may seem cool or funny in the comic may just seem stupid in motion.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 02:06:34 AM
Regardless if it was intended as a satire on war or not, as a film it doesn'r make sense.
And I can't quit believe that the majority of cimema goers who seen this film were thinking about how it was a satire on war, just as how the director intended... I'm guessing they were thinking.. ohh look at the spaceships.. look at the effects.. look at the guns!!!
Maybe, maybe not, but the fact is that's why the film-maker was making the film and why it was made the way it was and it was fairly sledgehammer like in getting its point across, Verhoeven is not a subtle director, never was, most people who follow his films know that. It was certainly reviewed as a satire at the time, as was Robocop, so someone got it and most people I know got it and we're average Joes. The only general audience it failed with was in the US - the first Iraq war wasn't too long before- who either saw it as an action film or couldn't see or didn't want to see who the satire was pointed at, a bit like the reaction in the 80's to
Dredd the comic character over there really. Now it's a bit different.
The argument is the point of the the fim not -whether Strangelove is a better satire- and it's clearly intended
tonally as a satire, why else have Doogie Howser dressed as a trenchcoated Nazi?
2000AD, and JD, was a pre-emptive strike on the utter domination of the popular SF market by GL's Star Wars. Anyone who bemoans a movie's deviation from the source would do well to reflect on the desolation beyond these walls.
I think we should be thankful that the new Dredd film wil not in it's distilled essence be a deviation from the source. It's an adaptation, it couldn't happen any other way at this time.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 01:36:39 AMI knew the satire on war thing would come up.... but i don't buy it.
I tend to judge things on what I see, and what I seen was a highly implausable scenario involving bugs with no technology whatsoever atacking a planet they could have never have known existed that was light years away from their own.
And even being told it's a satire on war.. it's still a shit film.
For a satire on war I'd suggest Dr Strangelove.
In what universe does the plot of Dr. Strangelove make more sense than Starship Troopers, exactly? Actually these two movies have a lot more in common than you think. Clearly, neither film is intended to be taken seriously in terms of plot details. Dr. Strangelove just makes it's absurdist character a lot more obvious than Starship Troopers, that's all. For me, Starship Troopers makes it obvious enough; the absurdly cliche-ridden cheesy dialogue and obviously deliberate overacting is a bit of a give-away. It's satirising not only war itself, but also 'patriotic' war movies and square-jawed action heroes and just about everything else it can get its teeth into... including sci-fi full of nonsensical 'science'.
Sweet Jebus! We're talking about Starship Troopers now?
We need a picture of Anderson on the set ASAP! :lol:
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 18 December, 2010, 09:40:50 PM
The film version should have been EXACTLY the same as the comic.
I'm truly dismayed by peoples comments on this thread. "If it was exactly like the comic it would be silly", well maybe you were rolling your eyes and laughing ironically as you read the wacky antics of Dredd, but personally, I was glued to the page, entranced by the action, excitement, and - yes - comedy of the stories. The idea that films operate in some rarefied domain over "childish" comics is complete horseshit.
If an idea is good, make a film that fits the idea, don't warp the idea to fit the "requirements" of a film. "A Walter Coffee machine"?! I want to see a robot vending machine with a lisp, crying oil onto Dredd's boots while he pretends to be a robot with plasti-skin. And I want to see him travel into the Cursed Earth and get some fucking tinned corn from the Jolly Green Giant.
But who cares what I think?
Out of retirement to say....THIS^
Some aspects of Dredd's history are best lest chained to Antiquity.... lisping comedy robots stealing Dredd's limelight and green giants walking the Cursed Earth are some of them.
"Oh, Mrs Gunderson, your final appointment at the Euthanasium was ten minutes ago...!"
Basically, I don't see a difference between introducing a robot with a lisp into a comic, and introducing a robot with a lisp into a movie.
Comic and films are both forms of storytelling, the only difference between the two being one medium moves in front of a camera, the other moves inside your head.
A film audience is basically paying £9 odd to be entertained as a priority- if you are the sort of person sat there thinking 'that's not very realistic, Neo could never fly up into the air or stop bullets' then why bother going to see that sort of film ?
You know its going to push your level of reality going to the cinema, which is why A: You go inn the first place and B:you leave your sanity at the door for 2hrs or so......
If a comic can make it work, a film can, and its down to the talents and commitment of the crew involved to make the audience accept it.
Curving bullets in Wanted being an example to hand- completely insane idea, but for me it worked,was believable, because it was handled well, both in comic and film media.
Horses for courses - I imagine something like Walter would work in a younger-skewed Dredd, but the aspects of later Dredd would be unsellable in a movie aimed at kids.
What I would miss is the satirical flavour of the city, the job riots, crazes like morbid obesity, ugliness etc. Even the celebrity themed naming could work, if it was done well - there are plenty of contemporary buildings or streets named after politicians, or airports named after a footballer and a musician.
I love the conceit that Mega City One is so shallow or desperate that they end up naming buildings after just about anyone.
Absolutely Steve, which is why on an immediate and gut level, setting Dredd in 'peach trees' is, at best, a missed opportunity. And could be read as a deliberate rejection of the comic's naming convention, suggesting... well, allsorts, really.
SBT
QuotePlus a lot of those older strips have dated, whether you like it or not, no matter how much fun they still are to our nostalgic, adult minds. They don't always strike the chord they did in the 80's and probably won't with a new audience, which the films will be made for and only not for a smaller group of old/hardcore fans.
Quoteif the film really does have a budget of around $45m, that means it needs to take at least $90m at the flicks before it starts getting anywhere near profitability and any chance whatsoever of a sequel. The only way that's going to happen is if it's palatable to a fairly wide audience.
QuoteI don't believe anyone on this forum has said that and it may be a silly thing to say on a comic forum mostly attended by "mature men", but I think people generally can feel/know what will and will not work and play to an audience, and that has little to do with childishness and more to do with being a smart audient. Good films are crafted over months and years of hard work and thought, many of the early Dredd tales were off-the-cuff and written in days and I'm not saying they were badly written because they were indeed written and drawn by smart and talented people but to think that the same product can be directly translated to a different medium is naive.
What is beng adapted, in essence, is Judge Dredd the idea and character because that is the core identity of what has evolved over the past 30 years and the element that remains compelling. Let's start there first.
Well thank God at least a few other people are talking sense! Seriously, the 'don't change a thing' brigade are being hopelessly naive.
Quote
The film version should have been EXACTLY the same as the comic.
I actually thought you were being sarcastic at first. What does that even mean? From story to story, week after week, Judge Dredd can be a complex police procedural, it can be a broad farce, it can be a bleak horror, it can be all-out action, it can be a moving character piece, it can be a daft satire, and it can be anything in between. So you're saying the movie should try to encapsulate all of these things?
Or should the movie instead decide on a tone - decide on a specific
type of Judge Dredd story to adapt - and be consistent with that? It's entirely possible to do that while paying homage to some of the more esoteric elements from the comics.
And regarding things like Walter, Rinus Limpopo Quintz - yes, I do find those campy things from early in the strips life a bit cringe-inducing now, and I'm a huge Dredd fan - I can only imagine how they would go down with a mainstream audience!
QuoteHorses for courses - I imagine something like Walter would work in a younger-skewed Dredd, but the aspects of later Dredd would be unsellable in a movie aimed at kids.
What I would miss is the satirical flavour of the city, the job riots, crazes like morbid obesity, ugliness etc. Even the celebrity themed naming could work, if it was done well - there are plenty of contemporary buildings or streets named after politicians, or airports named after a footballer and a musician.
Absolutely agree with this. It's down to personal taste what things would work on film, but I would much prefer an accurate depiction of the city - it's got so much more to offer than a typical dystopian
Blade Runner-lite.
QuoteAnd I can't quit believe that the majority of cimema goers who seen this film were thinking about how it was a satire on war, just as how the director intended... I'm guessing they were thinking.. ohh look at the spaceships.. look at the effects.. look at the guns!!!
Isn't it OK to be both?
Starship Troopers is a fabulously entertaining load of nonsense - way more fun than the novel - which is a hoary load of pro-right wing claptrap. Flashy sci-fi action with a deeply cynical, jet-black streak of humour running through it -
exactly the sort of thing I enjoy every week in 2000ad!
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 19 December, 2010, 11:04:37 AM
Absolutely Steve, which is why on an immediate and gut level, setting Dredd in 'peach trees' is, at best, a missed opportunity. And could be read as a deliberate rejection of the comic's naming convention, suggesting... well, allsorts, really.
SBT
Yeah, my feelings from what little I've seen and from a browse through the leaked script, that Dredd and Anderson are pretty spot on, but a lot of the character of the comic version of the city has been replaced with their version.
Quote from: radiator on 19 December, 2010, 11:16:07 AM
QuoteAnd I can't quit believe that the majority of cimema goers who seen this film were thinking about how it was a satire on war, just as how the director intended... I'm guessing they were thinking.. ohh look at the spaceships.. look at the effects.. look at the guns!!!
Isn't it OK to be both? Starship Troopers is a fabulously entertaining load of nonsense - way more fun than the novel - which is a hoary load of pro-right wing claptrap. Flashy sci-fi action with a deeply cynical, jet-black streak of humour running through it - exactly the sort of thing I enjoy every week in 2000ad!
Can we PLEASE get off discussing Starship Troopers, enough already, I thought this was a forum discussion on Dredd/Dredd movie not banging on about another film completley unrelated!
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 19 December, 2010, 12:31:11 PM
Quote from: radiator on 19 December, 2010, 11:16:07 AM
QuoteAnd I can't quit believe that the majority of cimema goers who seen this film were thinking about how it was a satire on war, just as how the director intended... I'm guessing they were thinking.. ohh look at the spaceships.. look at the effects.. look at the guns!!!
Isn't it OK to be both? Starship Troopers is a fabulously entertaining load of nonsense - way more fun than the novel - which is a hoary load of pro-right wing claptrap. Flashy sci-fi action with a deeply cynical, jet-black streak of humour running through it - exactly the sort of thing I enjoy every week in 2000ad!
Can we PLEASE get off discussing Starship Troopers, enough already, I thought this was a forum discussion on Dredd/Dredd movie not banging on about another film completley unrelated!
hear hear
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 19 December, 2010, 12:31:11 PMCan we PLEASE get off discussing Starship Troopers, enough already, I thought this was a forum discussion on Dredd/Dredd movie not banging on about another film completley unrelated!
Well you actually have to offer something?, that's how a forum works, not just tell people to change the
record track.
I like the idea that this film may have the look and feel of Robo Cop. Maybe I'm presuming too much from the very few pic's so far shown but a rampt up version of what was essentially a Dredd film anyway imo wouldn't be such a bad thing. The levels of violence in it is still pretty hardcore even when compared with stuff you get in films today.
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 19 December, 2010, 12:31:11 PMCan we PLEASE get off discussing Starship Troopers, enough already, I thought this was a forum discussion on Dredd/Dredd movie not banging on about another film completley unrelated!
Oh I'm sorry... I though that's how forums worked.... I was making a comment on something someone said.. It's not like I just jumped in shouting about Starship Troopers out of the blue, conversations can sometimes go off on a bit of a tangent.
So here you go... back on topic....
Will Dredd's boots in the movie be two sizes too small like in the comic??
It's important questions like this that need discussing on this thread... apparently.
Quote from: judge macbrayne;569176where.s is this judge Anderson pic :lol:
Cast and crew plus rebellion staff all gettin' their crimbo film related treats. How about the potential paying viewers of the film getting the Anderson pic? ...it would look great as a December/Jan 2000ad advent calander image.
Quote from: dracula1 on 19 December, 2010, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: judge macbrayne;569176where.s is this judge Anderson pic :lol:
Cast and crew plus rebellion staff all gettin' their crimbo film related treats.
We are?? :o
Convince us that you aren't. Admit it, it's a working holiday.
I hope this post gets to the top of page 100 ;-)
Working holiday my sphincter.. 6 day weeks for 6 months gets a bit tiring. The only work I plan on doing for my few days off will be working my way through left overs..
Good man! Enjoy your hols Mike.
You mentioned doing some design work on the bike cannons, without getting yourself eviscerated by the producers, are we going to see them in action?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 19 December, 2010, 03:06:13 PM
Working holiday my sphincter.. 6 day weeks for 6 months gets a bit tiring. The only work I plan on doing for my few days off will be working my way through left overs..
Should give you time to post a few festive photos then.
Quote from: Kerrin on 19 December, 2010, 03:12:08 PM
Good man! Enjoy your hols Mike.
You mentioned doing some design work on the bike cannons, without getting yourself eviscerated by the producers, are we going to see them in action?
It's in the script at the start.
Quote from: Teivion on 19 December, 2010, 03:05:10 PM
I hope this post gets to the top of page 100 ;-)
Sorry.
I hope if we do get anything as a Christmas present that it's more than just an Anderson photo, maybe a better Dredd one with Lawmaster too.
This Page 100 thing isn't going to work out for you, Garageman.
It's mine. ALL MINE!
Imagine I said something atypically witty about the movie here.
I'm still going to party like is page 99..
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 19 December, 2010, 03:06:13 PM
Working holiday my sphincter.. 6 day weeks for 6 months gets a bit tiring. The only work I plan on doing for my few days off will be working my way through left overs..
Should give you time to post a few festive photos then.
Be veeeery careful what you wish for ;)
Nothing to say , just wanted to be on page 100 :)
Hey, anyone seen this?
(http://www.reverttosaved.com/junk/dredd-urban.jpg)
I bet you all thought it was Anderson, well for a millisecond :lol: :lol: :lol:
Fuck the nay-sayers, you see that pic again and it's Dredd all over.
It even says so on the badge..
Nice gun..
Quote from: radiator on 19 December, 2010, 11:09:46 AM
I actually thought you were being sarcastic at first.
Well not exactly, I suppose I was exaggerating my feelings for comic effect. I had hoped that my talk of a cameo by the Jolly Green Giant would hint at this, but it appears I was being too subtle again.
Quote from: radiator on 19 December, 2010, 11:09:46 AM
Or should the movie instead decide on a tone - decide on a specific type of Judge Dredd story to adapt - and be consistent with that? It's entirely possible to do that while paying homage to some of the more esoteric elements from the comics.
I guess that's how I really feel. It doesn't have to be all things Dredd in one film, it just has to choose one type of Dredd story and tell it well. And it HAS to be true to the core elements and values that make Dredd what he is.
This may sound more reasonable, but bear in mid that I still have a zero-tolerance policy for changes to Dredd and his world. This is the same reason I don't like guest writers on Dredd. The characters don't behave correctly, Dredd's dialogue and behaviour is all wrong, there are too many crack babies etc. etc.
Also, I generally hate homages and references. They're usually done in a very heavy-handed fashion and blatant fashion and add little, if anything, to the story being told.
I just want to wish everyone a Happy Merry Dredd Xmas and Happy New Year, looking forward to seeing more pic's and info on the movie in the New Year :) Have a good one!
I made page 100, yay! (sorry :-[ )
:D
100 pages from a Dredd photo.
Amazing.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 19 December, 2010, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: radiator on 19 December, 2010, 11:09:46 AM
Or should the movie instead decide on a tone - decide on a specific type of Judge Dredd story to adapt - and be consistent with that? It's entirely possible to do that while paying homage to some of the more esoteric elements from the comics.
I guess that's how I really feel. It doesn't have to be all things Dredd in one film, it just has to choose one type of Dredd story and tell it well. And it HAS to be true to the core elements and values that make Dredd what he is.
I think you'll find that this is more or less what is being done and Jolly Green Giants don't really belong especially since those ads haven't been on TV since the 80's.
So did anyone like my Walter coffee maker idea?
Quote from: Ratty on 19 December, 2010, 09:31:15 PM
So did anyone like my Walter coffee maker idea?
Maybe you should type something like starship troopers II was shit and you get three pages worth of heated discussion.
By the way they used the asteroids to seed other planets so trajectory must be worked out by something plus having the knowledge of habitable planets in the first place. A brain bug the size of a planet must be fairly clever. Here endeth the lesson.
V
this is coming late to the party so to speak;
but I think Judge DEATH would work but only if you have everything go to shit basically i.e. mega city erupts in block war/mania - apocalypse war - then judge cal or some one makes things ultra-worse and opens up wormholes where judge dredd and the dark judges appear.
It'd be cool, but thinking about it now it would probably require a more substantial budget to do it like that..
By the way, I've just heard who they've cast as Ma-Ma.. Thought about it for a second and then did a big AAaaaaaaaaahhhh! Ofcourse!!!! Very exciting.. Can't say who, ofcourse, because there are at least 300 reasons why..
Quote from: thelawgiver on 20 December, 2010, 12:54:56 AM
this is coming late to the party so to speak;
but I think Judge DEATH would work but only if you have everything go to shit basically i.e. mega city erupts in block war/mania - apocalypse war - then judge cal or some one makes things ultra-worse and opens up wormholes where judge dredd and the dark judges appear.
All that in 2 hours?
QuoteBy the way, I've just heard who they've cast as Ma-Ma.. Thought about it for a second and then did a big AAaaaaaaaaahhhh! Ofcourse!!!! Very exciting.. Can't say who, ofcourse, because there are at least 300 reasons why..
Cool! I got the idea they were casting a complete unknown in that role, so interesting that they apparently have a 'name' now.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 20 December, 2010, 06:41:18 AM
By the way, I've just heard who they've cast as Ma-Ma.. Thought about it for a second and then did a big AAaaaaaaaaahhhh! Ofcourse!!!! Very exciting.. Can't say who, ofcourse, because there are at least 300 reasons why..
Gerard Butler in drag? :D
Steve, close.. Very close..
She's a tricky one to cast.. We're a 3rd of the way into shooting and they've only found her now.. We were all pretty excited here when the word reached us.
Granted, it could also be complete bollocks by the time it reached ol' warehouse A..
It's dawn french or jo brand, isnt it?
SBT
Would you be able to give any insight into how they have found shooting so far, using the 3d cameras?
Esp with the opening sequence, NO SPOILERS PLEASE EVERYONE as it might be in industry first for a movie, (due to the size of the cameras, and as a result normally having the cameras studio bound....)
D
The shooting's been going great. No grumbles from what I've heard. There are a few rigs using different camera's.. Every now and again the usual problem you get with digital's, but nothing you wouldn't get otherwise. The use of digital is a very wise move, especially for the stedicam rig. The head for the normal rig is HUGE, because it's got 2 cameras on it. they stripped the stedicam down a lot, with most of the electronics being in a backpack. In short, business as usual.
Cheers for keeping us all entertained with your Dredd news Michael. Good to hear that the shoot is going so smoothly!
What camera system are they using?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 20 December, 2010, 10:23:35 AM
It's dawn french or jo brand, isnt it?
SBT
Nahhhh... it's obviously Betty White.
Is it Lena Headey?
It might be..
Cameras are the Red, SI2K and Phantom..
Woof - I hope so. I like Lena Headey :-[
Kirsty Alley is Ma-Ma.
Maybe Kathleen Turner ?
:D
Lena Headey would seem too young from the description of Ma-ma that I read, but - you know, makeup etc - and she's done strong female characters in SCC, 300 etc.
Lena Headey was Sarah Connor on the telly wasn't she? Yes please.
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 December, 2010, 01:48:28 PM
Lena Headey would seem too young from the description of Ma-ma that I read, but - you know, makeup etc - and she's done strong female characters in SCC, 300 etc.
The scrip's probably gone through quite a few re-writes since the one we've all read.
If it's Lena Headey then I think it's a good choice-she's pretty smoking!
Queen Latifah, Gabourey Sidibe, Margaret Cho?
Julia Roberts!? Annette Bening? Harriet Sansom Harris?
Well, I think we have to probably consider other actresses, other than Heady(it could just very well be her), that have worked along side Gerard Butler. There's Miranda Richardson who worked with him on "Phantom of The Opera", or maybe even Amber Valletta who worked with him on "Gamer".
i'm licking the kirstie alley suggestion
Quote from: mogzilla on 20 December, 2010, 05:09:23 PM
i'm licking the kirstie alley suggestion
I wouldn't lick her, not now. Maybe in star trek 2
Quote from: James Stacey on 20 December, 2010, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 20 December, 2010, 05:09:23 PM
i'm licking the kirstie alley suggestion
I wouldn't lick her, not now. Maybe in star trek 2
:-[ typo or freudian slip?
Quote from: weehawk on 20 December, 2010, 05:05:31 PM
Well, I think we have to probably consider other actresses, other than Heady(it could just very well be her), that have worked along side Gerard Butler. There's Miranda Richardson who worked with him on "Phantom of The Opera", or maybe even Amber Valletta who worked with him on "Gamer".
She only came up because Michael mentioned '300' reasons...
I still think it should have been Dot Cotton ;)
Julia Roberts would scare the living piss out of me.. I doubt there's room in the budget for her ego though..
Her ego in slo-mo and 3D would be fairly chilling :)
I think a lot of actresses might actually be turned off by the idea of 3D, especially the older ones. 3D is far less forgiving than regular 2D.. You see EVERYTHING.. Every wrinkle, every pimple..
I was trying to work out why that might be, there's no increased resolution, like IMAX for example.
Is it that tricks that might work in 2D to flatter the subject might mess with the 3D process?
If Hershey is in the sequel, I think I know who could play her...
(http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/comedy/images/comedy_a-f/2point4children_1991b.jpg)
WOW - Belinda Lang!! I used to fancy the pants of her in 2.4 children!!! Hubba Hubba!!
Quote from: strontium71 on 20 December, 2010, 06:11:25 PM
WOW - Belinda Lang!! I used to fancy the pants of her in 2.4 children!!! Hubba Hubba!!
We all did. ;)
Belinda Lang and Dredd combined.
A mans gotta dream...
She's too... Mum...
I wish my mum looked like her.
That'd be wrong though.
Wouldn't it?
On quite a few levels..
It's miss piggy isn't it? . . .
Quote from: Michaelvk on 20 December, 2010, 06:37:44 PM
On quite a few levels..
Yes , but she'd look like Belinda Lang.
Wouldn't it worth going to Hell for?
Quote from: strontium71 on 20 December, 2010, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 20 December, 2010, 06:37:44 PM
On quite a few levels..
Yes , but she'd look like Belinda Lang.
Wouldn't it worth going to Hell for?
All these comments about the new Dredd film and that's my favourite post so far. ::)
:D
I think www.IwishBelindaLangwasmymum.co.uk got taken down for just being too weird. ;)
I Have Returned!! :D
Having been cruelly exiled for critism of the Blue Peter props (oops), which included a line from Good Morning Vietnnam (which clearly flew over someones head ...not thinking of anyone specific), I once more enter the 1984 world of the 2000ad Forum.
Banter, that's what this forum lacks ,full-blooded disagreements ,masss hysteria (cats and dogs living together ..spot the quote)- to instill a little life here.
I am a Prog Oner and will gladly see any Dredd Movie several times in the hope they will make another ,because despite any doubts or full throttle criticism , 2000ad runs through my veins and I will stick with it through thick and thin as any true supporter would.So, put the muzzles away and the tranq needles down and let people vent their views, whatever they may be.
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 December, 2010, 05:25:06 PM
Quote from: weehawk on 20 December, 2010, 05:05:31 PM
Well, I think we have to probably consider other actresses, other than Heady(it could just very well be her), that have worked along side Gerard Butler. There's Miranda Richardson who worked with him on "Phantom of The Opera", or maybe even Amber Valletta who worked with him on "Gamer".
She only came up because Michael mentioned '300' reasons...
Ahh! Ofcourse!! :lol:
This really is a first, and I have to get used to it myself.. People listening to me.. It's quite novel.. I'm used to people taking my images, looking at them, saying: "thats nice.." and then go off an build something utterly different..
It has to be Bella Emburg. (if she wasn't old)
V
It's Hillary Clinton..!
But seriously.. Madonna..
No, really.. Amy Winehouse..
I'm lying..
:D
It's you, isn't it?
Apparently according to IMDB this guy is playing Guthrie:
(http://achieverblog.standardbank.co.za/files/standardbank/achiever/Actor%20goes%20bollywood.jpeg)
Francis Chouler
Quote from: LARF on 20 December, 2010, 11:12:56 PM
Apparently according to IMDB this guy is playing Guthrie:
(http://achieverblog.standardbank.co.za/files/standardbank/achiever/Actor%20goes%20bollywood.jpeg)
Francis Chouler
Hmmm not the most obvious choice it has to be said
Quite excited that Guthrie is in the film though..news to me!!
Wow. Have finally managed to read through this thread, navigated the missing bits, and read every link and ...
Well, whether it's exactly like the comic or not I don't care. Looks like it's going to be a cracking movie and I, for one, can't wait. I'll save the debates about what works and what doesn't until AFTER I've seen it.
There aren't many failed franchises that get a proper, well-thought-out second crack of the whip - here's hoping DREDD gets the the character the recognition it deserves.
http://vimeo.com/17991495 (http://vimeo.com/17991495)
I imagine the slomo scenes could work really well if they're like this guy's grad piece.
Michelle Yeoh and Lucy Liu also spring (eventually) to mind for Mama.
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 December, 2010, 12:32:34 AM
http://vimeo.com/17991495 (http://vimeo.com/17991495)
I imagine the slomo scenes could work really well if they're like this guy's grad piece.
That I like.
I think Genesis P-Orridge would make a good Mama
Still no work on who's playing the Chief Judge then? Still not cast yet? I realise the C.J. will only have a very small part in this movie, but the casting is important as they have to think of the sequels where the role could very well become much bigger.
You're thinking about Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent, aren't you?
I'm getting kinda excited about this future set film:
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk41/biolumen/Street%20Machine%20Mag/FRtruck.jpg)
I thought they canned that one.. Interesting! Must watch those again.
Total Film's cover has "First Look: Judge Dredd" on it:
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/total-film-magazine-issue-176
Although I fear this might have caveats attached like "first look in printed form, well in a magazine anyway, OK in this magazine, what's that you say? OK first look in this specific issue."
Or it might be brain-busting thrilling pics of Anderson and Lawmasters. A quick flick through the mag in the newsagents will reveal all. I might have a nose tomorrow if I can track a copy down.
I'll have a peek at the mag tomorrow myself, and report back.
Given that said cover includes an inset of the original leaked pic, I suspect it'll be material we've seen already.
Yeah, it is just that pic, plus a couple of paragraphs, 'gritty' etc.
Nothing new.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 21 December, 2010, 05:38:47 PM
I thought they canned that one.. Interesting! Must watch those again.
Nah, they pushed it back a year. Apparently the old locations are too green this year to use as post-apocalyptic wasteland.
Reckon it has more to do with the next Batman and new Superman movie taking up 2012's summer for Warner Bros. Plus Batman nabbed Tom Hardy so reckon they just figured they'd push it back for 2013 instead. Hafta say, summer of '81 changed my ten year old world between prog 224 and Mad Max 2...
Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 20 December, 2010, 11:26:09 PM
Quote from: LARF on 20 December, 2010, 11:12:56 PM
Apparently according to IMDB this guy is playing Guthrie:
(http://achieverblog.standardbank.co.za/files/standardbank/achiever/Actor%20goes%20bollywood.jpeg)
Francis Chouler
Hmmm not the most obvious choice it has to be said
Quite excited that Guthrie is in the film though..news to me!!
Guthrie is in the movie? [spoiler]As a corrupt Judge?[/spoiler]
That's what I was thinking too.
If Guthrie is in it, I really hope the script has been rewritten to include Guthrie of wally squad fame into the movie rather than [spoiler]changing the name of one Judge Lex' throwaway henchmen/corrupt Judges into Guthrie.[/spoiler]
Trouble is just because they use the name Guthrie it most probably has no bearing on the comic character - look at McGruder , Silver and Griffin from the 95 version.
People need to get it into their heads that this film doesn't tie in - in any way - with the established comics 'continuity'.
If we see other judges in the movie, then regardless of the role they play, I'd prefer to see characters like Guthrie get a namecheck rather than generic names like Lex.
I disagree - if the characher is nothing but a throwaway henchman, a made up name for the part would be preferable by far to using up a great characther from the comic, a characther who has the potential for being put to much better use in a proverbial sequel.
And if the character ends up not being used on film, I'd still they rather make up a new name than usurp an established one just to check it off a list.
This issue comes up repeatedly over in Star Wars fandom - in the course of the Clone Wars cartoon numerous planets have appeared 'on screen' for the first time that had only previously been named in books, comics and games (computer and RPG). This would be great for the nerd community except that the planets in question frequently bear no resemblance to their 'expanded universe' counterparts, leaving fandom wondering: "if they wanted to use a planet that looked like that instead of this, why didn't they just use a different name?". Case in point, Oola and Bib Fortuna's home planet of Ryloth - in the books and comics, it's tidally locked to its star (always presenting the same side to the sun), with only a 'twilight' zone habitable, and that wracked by severe weather. In the cartoon, Ryloth is just one more rocky desert planet, no hint of perpetual twilight or the boiling and freezing sides that surround it. So why bother calling it 'Ryloth'?
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 December, 2010, 07:28:51 PM
Yeah, it is just that pic, plus a couple of paragraphs, 'gritty' etc.
Nothing new.
Agreed. It's just the "rehearsal" photo, and a short paragraph or two. Nothing new. They erroneously give the film a release date of 2013.
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 December, 2010, 12:38:05 PM
This issue comes up repeatedly over in Star Wars fandom - in the course of the Clone Wars cartoon numerous planets have appeared 'on screen' for the first time that had only previously been named in books, comics and games ... bear[ing] no resemblance to their 'expanded universe' counterparts, leaving fandom wondering ... why didn't they just use a different name?"
There's a flaw with that analogy, Tordel. The
Clone Wars cartoons take precedence over any item of EU continuity that contradicts them. George Lucas and his writers are at liberty to select or discard EU as they see fit - and the licensed media is expected to make continuity changes in future fictions to accommodate it. Whereas, the
Dredd movie is not intended to replace the comic continuity or 'lead the way' - it's an entirely separate entity.
It's also worth remembering that Lucas is a cock and all Star Wars related properties are, now, uniformly awful and tainted by the stench of money.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 19 December, 2010, 12:35:39 AM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 17 December, 2010, 05:56:35 AM
Quote from: vzzbux on 16 December, 2010, 09:48:19 PM
The only problem with a Death film is it turning into just a horror flick. Just like the abortion that was starship troopers II.
V
The problem is that they made it Starship Troopers 2, instead of a Starship Troopers universe movie.. The expectations on what was essentially a completely unrelated story were way too high.. As fan films go, however, it's not too bad..
No, the only problem is they made Starship Troopers... it's pure shit!
Now, it's been a while since i seen it but... is the premise of the film that 'bugs'' are chucking rocks at earth?
Question one.. why?
Question two... how do these 'bugs' even know earth exists.... just exactly what space programme did they have running at the time?
And even if they did have that... for them to chuck rocks at a planat light years away they must have started chucking them hundreds of years ago (our time) which means they would have had to perdict planet trajectory to see where earth would be in 100 years (or so) for their rocks to impact....
Starship Troopers = Balls.
FACT!
I like the ethos behind starship troopers, but hate the whole all-american space trooper acadamy aspect, and the fact the premise is stupid as you say. Basically, with a premise as poor as that, it's usually down to producers trying to be creative; it's the same with any shit movie - the producers and big wigs try and hit spots by being creative.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 December, 2010, 01:36:12 PM
It's also worth remembering that Lucas is a cock and all Star Wars related properties are, now, uniformly awful and tainted by the stench of money.
ALL moneymaking properties exist to make as much profit as they can - the story's secondary (particularly in action movies), but if it's a decent story then that's a happy coincidence. They'll do whatever's necessary to increase cash-flow. 2000AD and Judge Dredd would never have existed if not for IPC wanting to make a profit. A 'property' (a money-man's term) only becomes 'tainted' if their original intent was never to be run for financial gain. Star Wars is a business, so's the Dredd movie. Money before art. Nothing wrong in that as long as the fans don't forget what the bottom line has always been.
enough,s enough where,s the ANDERSON picture >:( :) >:( :D
Quote from: John Caliber on 22 December, 2010, 01:19:23 PM
There's a flaw with that analogy, Tordel. The Clone Wars cartoons take precedence over any item of EU continuity that contradicts them. George Lucas and his writers are at liberty to select or discard EU as they see fit - and the licensed media is expected to make continuity changes in future fictions to accommodate it. Whereas, the Dredd movie is not intended to replace the comic continuity or 'lead the way' - it's an entirely separate entity.
Absolutely, different case, and in fact I respect many of the changes to 'established continuity' made in the Clone Wars cartoon precisely because it produces interesting stories and a lot of the older stuff is right tosh, but the question is WHY would you be arsed annoying a decent section of your fanbase when nothing is served by it? Some RPG writer (possibly Stirling Hershey) made up the name Ryloth, it has meant a specific thing to people for 25 years, why not just call George's planet Ryloth Major?
And ditto names in Dredd, no need to use the
name if it isn't the
character, it just annoys.
QuoteAnd ditto names in Dredd, no need to use the name if it isn't the character, it just annoys.
So by that logic, because Anderson is younger in the movie than she is in the comics (and wasn't assessed by Dredd in the comics), they should change her name too?
The Star Wars comparison doesn't hold up, because that's a single multi-media continuity which should, ideally, all tie up. But the Dredd
movie(s) is an entirely different entity to the Dredd
comics, so the filmmakers should really be allowed to do whatever they want with the characters, within reason.
God, this is getting nerdy - can we go back to talking about Starship Troopers now?
Quote from: radiator on 22 December, 2010, 04:29:07 PM
God, this is getting nerdy - can we go back to talking about Starship Troopers now?
Paradox?
Quote from: radiator on 22 December, 2010, 04:29:07 PM
So by that logic, because Anderson is younger in the movie than she is in the comics (and wasn't assessed by Dredd in the comics), they should change her name too?
Not at all, the film is the film, the comic is the other. Movie Anderson will be Movie Anderson, and that doesn't have to have anything to do with Comic Anderson - it's up to the creative types to make a good movie out of these folks. It's not important either way, but if you're going to include a character called Guthrie who is meant to be Movie Guthrie, that's grand - but there's no point just naming random extras with names from the comic if they don't serve any purpose to the story, while closing off the possibilities of a future movie version with some substance. And obviously I have no idea whether Movie Guthrie is a fleshed out character or just a badge that wanders by.
But yes, the Star Wars analogy doesn't hold much water, but it's
unecessary niggling of fans that I worry about. For example if a fattie leaper who tried to squash Dredd was named Max Normal I'd be a bit peeved. Because I'm a nerd.
They did your "fattie named Max" in the Land of the Lost movie, where they gave the villain the name "The Zarn," who was a totally different character in the original TV series.
Anyone know when we will actually see some pics of the Judges or Anderson??
:-* :-* :-* :-*
I'm watching Miranda on the iPlayer.
:-[
That Anderson pic better arrive soon so we can all cheer/cry.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 22 December, 2010, 05:58:50 PM
Anyone know when we will actually see some pics of the Judges or Anderson??
:-* :-* :-* :-*
I know. But I'm not going to tell you.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 22 December, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 22 December, 2010, 05:58:50 PM
Anyone know when we will actually see some pics of the Judges or Anderson??
:-* :-* :-* :-*
I know. But I'm not going to tell you.
Seriously ? :-*
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 22 December, 2010, 05:58:50 PM
Anyone know when we will actually see some pics of the Judges or Anderson??
:-* :-* :-* :-*
lol look,logically - unless the pic/s are leaked ala the dredd one, then I reckon the hype machine will start trickling through by next year - I'd say July - since the movies due for summer time 2012 (I think? or is it nov?)...unless of course there suddenly appears a website for the hype like the watchmen movie. That could be made and put up christmas at the earliest I reckon, especially considering this month is the first there's been a few halfarticles on the dredd movie pic.
Quote from: radiator on 22 December, 2010, 04:29:07 PM
QuoteAnd ditto names in Dredd, no need to use the name if it isn't the character, it just annoys.
So by that logic, because Anderson is younger in the movie than she is in the comics (and wasn't assessed by Dredd in the comics), they should change her name too?
The Star Wars comparison doesn't hold up, because that's a single multi-media continuity which should, ideally, all tie up. But the Dredd movie(s) is an entirely different entity to the Dredd comics, so the filmmakers should really be allowed to do whatever they want with the characters, within reason.
God, this is getting nerdy - can we go back to talking about Starship Troopers now?
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 December, 2010, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: radiator on 22 December, 2010, 04:29:07 PM
So by that logic, because Anderson is younger in the movie than she is in the comics (and wasn't assessed by Dredd in the comics), they should change her name too?
Not at all, the film is the film, the comic is the other. Movie Anderson will be Movie Anderson, and that doesn't have to have anything to do with Comic Anderson - it's up to the creative types to make a good movie out of these folks. It's not important either way, but if you're going to include a character called Guthrie who is meant to be Movie Guthrie, that's grand - but there's no point just naming random extras with names from the comic if they don't serve any purpose to the story, while closing off the possibilities of a future movie version with some substance. And obviously I have no idea whether Movie Guthrie is a fleshed out character or just a badge that wanders by.
But yes, the Star Wars analogy doesn't hold much water, but it's unecessary niggling of fans that I worry about. For example if a fattie leaper who tried to squash Dredd was named Max Normal I'd be a bit peeved. Because I'm a nerd.
My opinion is that - as in the strips - directors and movie people can interpret the characters how they want- within reason as you say e.g. judge uniform, cityscape, level of futurism, varying year setting/ages of key characters etc
I see a closer analogy to be drawn to the Batman films - the character and Gotham city, and encompassing characters have been portrayed differently by different actors/directors etc
Personally - as I've stated before - if I was creatively in charge; rather than wedging timelines in to onemovie to suit a single movie, I would have the timeline as it is relatively laid out in the strips but over a trilogy with dredd being at his 2000ad-'youngest' in the 1st film i.e. 2099 in his mid 30s, and being at his oldest in 2135 in his 70s undergoing a rejuve.- so according to that, dredd would go through each movie like Harry Callahan in the Dirty Harry franchise i.e. having different partners and enemies per film according the actual 2000ad Dredd timeline = in the 1st film he would tutor a rookie giant, in the 2nd film he would encounter a very young rookie anderson at teh forefront of psi powers, as well as a rookie hershey, and in the 3rd film dredd would have a whole team of tutor judges at his disposal including a middleaged Giant, Anderson in her early 40s, Hershey in her late 30s? and rookie judges lex, maybe Beeny etc
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 December, 2010, 01:36:12 PM
It's also worth remembering that Lucas is a cock and all Star Wars related properties are, now, uniformly awful and tainted by the stench of money.
^^^^^
I almost walked out of Episode 1 in the theater, I was that disgusted with the lame bad Japanese accents of those I-forget-the-name-aliens.. Talk about being massively disappointed..
I had no objections to the Neimoidian 'Chinee' accent, except that I could hardly make out a word they said (however, having read the screenplay before watching the movie, it was no great loss).
Anyone who's read the 365 days of Star Wars book will have noticed the loving care that went into the sets and production work of 4-6, but with Ep. 1-3 95% of each set was either massively changed in Post or in some cases even unused after building, let alone shooting, as Lucas kept changing his mind, or the plot, midway through the shoot.
How anyone let one of the set designs for the last film in I don't know, if that wasn't a wall of [spoiler]Vaginas[/spoiler] Christopher Lee was standing behind....it must have been an in house joke at Lucas's expense. As for the lady shave jedi comlink that was just embarrassing...
Its quite a shocking book to read actually, just how un-coordinated the shooting was, and the amount of money that must have just been completely wasted. Its no wonder the films were dire.
Its interesting to go back to someones comment on the CG looking dated already too, as the AT-AT sequence, approaching the rebel base in Ep5, is one of- if not THE- all time favourite VFX shot of mine.
Anyway, its going to be interesting to see the amount of Post work on Dredd, Ive heard 6 months is the bare minimum that should be allowed for basic Post work so 2012 seems an awful lot of Post!
Quote from: John Caliber on 23 December, 2010, 09:36:10 AM
I had no objections to the Neimoidian 'Chinee' accent, except that I could hardly make out a word they said (however, having read the screenplay before watching the movie, it was no great loss).
Because it made no sense whatsoever?
Quote from: thelawgiver on 22 December, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
Personally - as I've stated before - if I was creatively in charge; rather than wedging timelines in to onemovie to suit a single movie, I would have the timeline as it is relatively laid out in the strips but over a trilogy with dredd being at his 2000ad-'youngest' in the 1st film i.e. 2099 in his mid 30s, and being at his oldest in 2135 in his 70s undergoing a rejuve.- so according to that, dredd would go through each movie like Harry Callahan in the Dirty Harry franchise i.e. having different partners and enemies per film according the actual 2000ad Dredd timeline = in the 1st film he would tutor a rookie giant, in the 2nd film he would encounter a very young rookie anderson at teh forefront of psi powers, as well as a rookie hershey, and in the 3rd film dredd would have a whole team of tutor judges at his disposal including a middleaged Giant, Anderson in her early 40s, Hershey in her late 30s? and rookie judges lex, maybe Beeny etc
Absolutely.
*
Can we p l e a s e get back to talking about the JD film and not keep banging on about Star Wars ?
Thank you
:D
Bit harsh- about 5 posts in 110 pages, plus its all related to topic, if you look.(Using out of context characterisation, VFX, plot holes/lack of consideration to established storylines etc, stuff we will certainly be talking about later on )
Or we could spend 30 pages talking about who might play Mean Machine,if you like.
Might get a bit dull.
Vinnie Jones..
Damn right.
A 'shrinking balls' speech would have to written into the contract ;-)
Quote from: Teivion on 23 December, 2010, 12:09:39 PM
Bit harsh- about 5 posts in 110 pages, plus its all related to topic, if you look.(Using out of context characterisation, VFX, plot holes/lack of consideration to established storylines etc, stuff we will certainly be talking about later on )
Or we could spend 30 pages talking about who might play Mean Machine,if you like.
Might get a bit dull.
I wasnt being serious at all and it was a reference to previous comments that were similar.
@Tordelback :I cannot find your comment where you were talking about George Lucas giving away cash to various charitable causes etc for looking.He is in the 40 billionaires club who are giving away cash to various "philanthropic" causes and i have read up on all that but in all the material i have read George Lucas has never come up in any of it.
In short i have never read anything detrimental about George Lucas like i have about a lot of other names that i wont mention.His name is never mentioned anywhere so he appears to be clean in that respect.
Quote from: judge macbrayne;570324enough,s enough where,s the ANDERSON picture >:( :) >:( :D
If Derren Brown can do it to predict the lottery numbers we as a forum joining as one linked hive mind can will the Anderson picture to appear psi style. I'm tuning my brain waves in now,...concentrating on those heels and leathers! ;-)
I think that's more likely to result in a massive wanking session than a psionic phenomena.
Is there a difference?
Am I not actually psychic?
Yes, there's a difference, that's not ectoplasm in your hand either.
By the way, people, my xmas break has officially been cancelled.. You all had better appreciate this movie!
Didn't Grant Morrison once call for a mass-wanking chaos magic session from his readership to ensure 'The Invisibles' continued to be published? You never know, it might produce results...
Quote from: Greg M. on 23 December, 2010, 07:16:44 PM
Didn't Grant Morrison once call for a mass-wanking chaos magic session...
Probably. Cos he's a
massive wanker.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 December, 2010, 07:16:11 PM
By the way, people, my xmas break has officially been cancelled.. You all had better appreciate this movie!
Back to work, no time for a chat, there's work needs doin'.
...Please sir.. Can I have some more?
Not until you get those Lawmaster pictures out.
Quote from: JOE SOAP;570557I think that's more likely to result in a massive wanking session than a psionic phenomena.
From a serious preposal at attempting mass ESP to Sid James style smut. It's turning into carry on up the meg! :-)
here she is
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 December, 2010, 07:16:11 PM
By the way, people, my xmas break has officially been cancelled.. You all had better appreciate this movie!
Thanks! Now get back to work!
Your task is to help produce a Dredd movie worthy of your efforts! :D
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 December, 2010, 01:36:12 PM
It's also worth remembering that Lucas is a cock and all Star Wars related properties are, now, uniformly awful and tainted by the stench of money.
I love the idea that the Original Trilogy was a not-for-profit merch-and-spin-off free zone.
I certainly hope no-one involved in Dredd is even considering making some money out of this project, and Grud forbid they digitally extend any sets.
God yes, Tordelback! I mean, imagine how awful it would be if there was a sudden wave on interest in Judge Dredd and 2000 AD off the back of this movie! ;)
I mean, do we want to live in a world where kids play with Judge Dredd action figures, wear Dredd T-shirts and drink from 2000 AD coffee mugs?
Seriously, when I look at how the prog has developed in the modern day from the way it was way back when it used to arrive in my little bag of weekly goodies from the newsagents (complete with a stick of sherbet and those cola bottle gums) I really hope it continues for a good long time to come. Even if the movie generates the worst, tackiest merchandise but ensures that, I'll be a very happy man.
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 December, 2010, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 December, 2010, 01:36:12 PM
It's also worth remembering that Lucas is a cock and all Star Wars related properties are, now, uniformly awful and tainted by the stench of money.
I love the idea that the Original Trilogy was a not-for-profit merch-and-spin-off free zone.
I certainly hope no-one involved in Dredd is even considering making some money out of this project, and Grud forbid they digitally extend any sets.
Sorry to disappoint you, but we didn't have the budget for a full 900 level set.. Also the studio is too small for that.. There might be a little bit of set extension.. ;)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 December, 2010, 07:51:12 AM
Sorry to disappoint you, but we didn't have the budget for a full 900 level set..
Frankly, I
am disappointed - I assumed that at least the relevant Sector would be represented by practical sets. Cecil B. deMille would have found a way.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 December, 2010, 01:36:12 PM
It's also worth remembering that Lucas is a cock and all Star Wars related properties are, now, uniformly awful and tainted by the stench of money.
But weren't
the films themselves the weakest link in the whole francise?
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 December, 2010, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 December, 2010, 01:36:12 PM
It's also worth remembering that Lucas is a cock and all Star Wars related properties are, now, uniformly awful and tainted by the stench of money.
I love the idea that the Original Trilogy was a not-for-profit merch-and-spin-off free zone.
I certainly hope no-one involved in Dredd is even considering making some money out of this project, and Grud forbid they digitally extend any sets.
I love the idea that you think I'm naive enough to believe that George Lucas made the original trilogy for the good of the human race. Of course he did it to make money. There is, however, LOVE and CRAFTSMANSHIP in those early films. They didn't know how successful Star Wars would become. It was all done on the the fly using gaffer tape and plastic model kits, they did their best to make it work and they did a great job. THAT'S why those films succeed.
The recent Star Wars output is lazy, cynical and boring. Those prequels just had unlimited amounts of money thrown at them for the simple reason that they KNEW they were going to make 1000 times back in profits. Anything that comes out now with the name Star Wars on it will make money. That's what I mean when I say it's tainted with the stench of money. It's just a big crap factory now and 'fans' are more than willing to keep George Lucas in checked shirts as long as he keeps churning out the shit.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 08:40:21 AM
I love the idea that you think I'm naive enough to believe that George Lucas made the original trilogy for the good of the human race. Of course he did it to make money. There is, however, LOVE and CRAFTSMANSHIP in those early films. They didn't know how successful Star Wars would become. It was all done on the the fly using gaffer tape and plastic model kits, they did their best to make it work and they did a great job. THAT'S why those films succeed.
You including the Holiday Special in that Lee?
(So
that's how a single photo generates 108 pages & counting...)
It really amuses/pisses me off when people assume the prequels were expensive. They werent. All three were strictly budgeted, and cheap by the cuntish standards of arch hollywood shitbags james cameron and (god help me) peter jackson. Go on, look it up.
Personally, i much prefer the whole style of the prequels AND the clone wars offshoot to the original trilogy these days. Id rather watch the cartoon or clones/sith than empire or jedi. And id direct you to the ewoks if you seriously think the original trilogy is free of crass commercialism.
The 70s/80s films are as chocka with the kind of grabbing, kid-grooming, parent-baiting consumerism as the later ones. That's why, despite being loved by a whole series of generations, post 77, the films are also loathed by 'serious cinema afficionados' for ushering in the age of the lowest common denominator blockbuster.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 09:14:28 AM
The 70s/80s films are as chocka with the kind of grabbing, kid-grooming, parent-baiting consumerism as the later ones. That's why, despite being loved by a whole series of generations, post 77, the films are also loathed by 'serious cinema afficionados' for ushering in the age of the lowest common denominator blockbuster.
SBT
ISRC the original Star Wars film was the first movie whose marketing was flow-charted by a studio before release.
That explains the dolls, the action figues, the t-shirts, the Marvel comic, the iceblocks & that poster Stevie saw in the David Jones car park lift after he attended his parents divorce hearing a good six months before its release.
20th Century Fox even hired people to up this mindblowing new upcoming masterpiece called Star Wars at major SF conventions.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 09:14:28 AM
Personally, i much prefer the whole style of the prequels AND the clone wars offshoot to the original trilogy these days.
I'm afraid, sir, that you are quite, quite mad.
I don't care what anyone says, the original films are ace, the new films are shit. End of story. It is undeniable scientific fact.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
I don't care what anyone says, the original films are ace, the new films are shit. End of story. It is undeniable scientific fact.
Any specific reason that you're avoiding the issue of the Holiday Special Lee? :P
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 24 December, 2010, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
I don't care what anyone says, the original films are ace, the new films are shit. End of story. It is undeniable scientific fact.
Any specific reason that you're avoiding the Holiday Special Lee?
I've never seen it to be honest. It's not one of the films so it doesn't count against my point.
I feel like trying to download it now, just to soak up the horror.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 09:40:14 AM
I've never seen it to be honest. It's not one of the films so it doesn't count against my point.
That the original trilogy was untainted by marketing?
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 24 December, 2010, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 09:40:14 AM
I've never seen it to be honest. It's not one of the films so it doesn't count against my point.
That the original trilogy was untainted by marketing?
Wasn't the holiday special just a xmas TV show? Anyway, I never said the original films were 'untainted by marketing'. Every film is marketed or nobody would go and see it.
My main beef is that the prequels were just rubbish. There was no desire to create anything special, it was just all about the money and nothing else.
The story didn't make sense, the dialogue was awful, there were numerous plot holes, the characters were boring, the sets were all fake...I could go on but I'm getting depressed thinking about it.
I'd like to stop talking about Star Wars now and get back on topic.
So...eagle belt buckle or not?
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 10:00:32 AM
The story didn't make sense, the dialogue was awful, there were numerous plot holes, the characters were boring, the sets were all fake...I could go on but I'm getting depressed thinking about it. & that was just the original film :D :D :D :D
I'd like to stop talking about Star Wars now and get back on topic.
So...eagle belt buckle or not?
You betcha! Original
Eagle logo not 80s new
Eagle logo though.
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 24 December, 2010, 10:03:10 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 10:00:32 AM
The story didn't make sense, the dialogue was awful, there were numerous plot holes, the characters were boring, the sets were all fake...I could go on but I'm getting depressed thinking about it. & that was just the original film :D :D :D :D
I'd like to stop talking about Star Wars now and get back on topic.
So...eagle belt buckle or not?
You betcha! Original Eagle logo not 80s new Eagle logo though.
Stop tormenting me! STOP IT! It's Christmas eve!!!
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 10:08:13 AM
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 24 December, 2010, 10:03:10 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 10:00:32 AM
So...eagle belt buckle or not?
You betcha! Original Eagle logo not 80s new Eagle logo though.
Stop tormenting me! STOP IT! It's Christmas eve!!!
But iconic logo or not, new 80s
Eagle still had Doomlord & Ian Kennedy on Dan Dare going for it!
...and wasnt a barely disguised religious indoctrination pamphlet, full of brain-destroying, patronising guff indicative of the 50s attitude to- and mental abuse of- children, saved only by some nice art from time to time!
I have an overwhelming love of british comics, but even i wont give house space to the old Eagle.
Now the 80s one, on the other hand...
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 10:23:38 AM
...and wasnt a barely disguised religious indoctrination pamphlet, full of brain-destroying, patronising guff indicative of the 50s attitude to- and mental abuse of- children, saved only by some nice art from time to time!
I have an overwhelming love of british comics, but even i wont give house space to the old Eagle.
Now the 80s one, on the other hand...
SBT
Damn right. And you got a free spud gun in the 80's one.
That's a yes on the eagle.. Got a duff one in the car.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 09:14:28 AM
Personally, i much prefer the whole style of the prequels AND the clone wars offshoot to the original trilogy these days.
I'm afraid, sir, that you are quite, quite mad.
I don't care what anyone says, the original films are ace, the new films are shit. End of story. It is undeniable scientific fact.
I took my young son to see all the star wars movies and he loved them. Thats the thing with these films - they are meant for kids. If wee kids like them then the job is done - there is no point trying to intellectualise them because that makes you a sad person with no life.
Seeing a wee boy transfixed by an exciting pod race or loads of clones firing laser guns is what it is all about.
2 hours entertainment for ten quid is good value for money as far as I am concerned.
Quote from: malkymac on 24 December, 2010, 10:58:02 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 09:14:28 AM
Personally, i much prefer the whole style of the prequels AND the clone wars offshoot to the original trilogy these days.
I'm afraid, sir, that you are quite, quite mad.
I don't care what anyone says, the original films are ace, the new films are shit. End of story. It is undeniable scientific fact.
I took my young son to see all the star wars movies and he loved them. Thats the thing with these films - they are meant for kids. If wee kids like them then the job is done - there is no point trying to intellectualise them because that makes you a sad person with no life.
Seeing a wee boy transfixed by an exciting pod race or loads of clones firing laser guns is what it is all about.
2 hours entertainment for ten quid is good value for money as far as I am concerned.
I should add that the wee boy is 19 by the way. :D
Quote from: malkymac on 24 December, 2010, 10:58:02 AM
there is no point trying to intellectualise them because that makes you a sad person with no life.
And a Merry Christmas to you too.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 December, 2010, 10:57:31 AM
That's a yes on the eagle.. Got a duff one in the car.
Cheers Michael. You're an invaluable source of information to us nervous fanboys!
Can you say whether Anderson will be wearing the same basic uniform as Dredd or is there a 'cadet version'?
Quote from: Lee Bates on 24 December, 2010, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: malkymac on 24 December, 2010, 10:58:02 AM
there is no point trying to intellectualise them because that makes you a sad person with no life.
And a Merry Christmas to you too.
And a merry christmas to you too.
Girly version.. Makes tactical sense too keep all uniforms the same. That way you can't single out higher rank/experienced troops, for lack of other words.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 December, 2010, 11:07:25 AM
Girly version.. Makes tactical sense too keep all uniforms the same. That way you can't single out higher rank/experienced troops, for lack of other words.
Thanks mate. Can't wait to see it.
Gorgeous girl + bike leathers + tactical armour + gun = sheer man joy. Trust me..
Whoa! The Star Wars prequels are better than the original films?
That's a pretty bold claim!
Your not Rick McCallum in disguise are you? ;)
Back on topic.
Any chance of a xmas gift to us loyal squaxx of an Anderson picture?
Or any other sneak peek come to that.
Or have we all got to wait until Kapow for any more info?
Hope not, april seems a long way off! :'(
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 December, 2010, 11:18:41 AM
Gorgeous girl + bike leathers + tactical armour + gun = sheer man joy. Trust me..
Hubba hubba!
lol abit of star wars rage is bound to leak out and over every now and then lol the prequel trilogy were terrible compared to the original trilogy, although they did have some saving graces that are quite subjective e.g. the clones, cityscapes, Yoda figting, sam l jackson and his underused purple lightsaber (ahem), liam neeson whom I love as an actor, and ewan mcgregor was somewhat believable as a younger obi.
What i always add on the subject though, is a further controversial idea; when I see how the prequel 3 films missed the mark comparable to the genial original star wars trilogy, I can't but wonder why Lucas doesn't right his wrongs and follow up the series with a further 3 more films and make them purposefully as good as the original trilogy. Why should he 'leave the film series alone' when he's A) mucked it up with the prequels and B) keeps on adding to the peripheral merch and star wars universe with terrible substandard animations and whatnot. He'd be better of adapting some of the great computer games that have come out that have been slightly darker than say making a 'live action series' or more 'cartoons' in my humble opinion.
Back to JD...I'd love to see a series of films like dirty harry franchise/ batman franchise, that showcases different aspects/versions of Dredd and the Mega-City 'universe' as we have seen in the strip itself since its conception.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 09:14:28 AM
The 70s/80s films are as chocka with the kind of grabbing, kid-grooming, parent-baiting consumerism as the later ones. That's why, despite being loved by a whole series of generations, post 77, the films are also loathed by 'serious cinema afficionados' for ushering in the age of the lowest common denominator blockbuster.
SBT
I thought Jaws was the film that set the precedent for blockbusters ?
Star Wars did the same but it wasnt the first but the Star Wars films were the first to introduce merchandising and the marketing of films in that way.All of the Star Wars films stink of cash but the only difference is that the original trilogy was more honest as they were original but if the first film wasnt such a massive success financially then its unlikely that the sequels would have been made so in a sense ROTJ and TESB both stink of cash.If George Lucas hadnt made a shatload of cash from American Graffiti then there wouldnt have been Star Wars films.
There probably wouldnt have been a 2000ad comic if it wasnt for Star Wars as it made Sci Fi massively popular in terms of popular culture and there wouldnt have been Action comic with HookJaw if it wasnt for Jaws.
Its the film industry and it all stinks of cash and the end result of it all after everything is cash.The only difference is that the prequels were a shameless exploitation of the original films in the sense that there was virtually no risk involved financially.
Now can we please stop talking about Star Wars ?
Thank you.
;)
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 24 December, 2010, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 09:14:28 AM
The 70s/80s films are as chocka with the kind of grabbing, kid-grooming, parent-baiting consumerism as the later ones. That's why, despite being loved by a whole series of generations, post 77, the films are also loathed by 'serious cinema afficionados' for ushering in the age of the lowest common denominator blockbuster.
SBT
I thought Jaws was the film that set the precedent for blockbusters ?
Star Wars did the same but it wasnt the first but the Star Wars films were the first to introduce merchandising and the marketing of films in that way.All of the Star Wars films stink of cash but the only difference is that the original trilogy was more honest as they were original but if the first film wasnt such a massive success financially then its unlikely that the sequels would have been made so in a sense ROTJ and TESB both stink of cash.If George Lucas hadnt made a shatload of cash from American Graffiti then there wouldnt have been Star Wars films.
There probably wouldnt have been a 2000ad comic if it wasnt for Star Wars as it made Sci Fi massively popular in terms of popular culture and there wouldnt have been Action comic with HookJaw if it wasnt for Jaws.
Its the film industry and it all stinks of cash and the end result of it all after everything is cash.The only difference is that the prequels were a shameless exploitation of the original films in the sense that there was virtually no risk involved financially.
Now can we please stop talking about Star Wars ?
Thank you.
;)
Star Wars
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 09:14:28 AM
Personally, i much prefer the whole style of the prequels AND the clone wars offshoot to the original trilogy these days. Id rather watch the cartoon or clones/sith than empire or jedi. And id direct you to the ewoks if you seriously think the original trilogy is free of crass commercialism.
...but do you actually prefer them as
better films/stories, considering that they are a hundred times more superficial then the originals?
At least with the first 2 Star Wars films there was a fair amount of talent and craft
in charge and steering the ship. It all went down-stream for George after Empire wherein Kirshner and Kurtz had control -at least- of the quality of craft rudder, hence it being the last and best Star Wars film that mattered.
George then took the cheque-book back for himself and made new friends (Ewoks).
Peace and love to Star Wars and Judge Dredd fans alike. 'Tis the season of Goodwill towards all Men and Deviants!
Fuck Star Wars in the ear.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 December, 2010, 12:22:10 PM
Fuck Star Wars in the ear.
There's an idea for a "slash fiction" story right there!
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 24 December, 2010, 11:51:54 AMThere probably wouldnt have been a 2000ad comic if it wasnt for Star Wars as it made Sci Fi massively popular in terms of popular...
Unless I've got my dates totally mixed up Prog 1 came out about three months before Episode IV.
Now if you're saying 2000AD wouldn't have
survived without Star Wars that's a whole different argument, with which I would actuallyd disagree.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 24 December, 2010, 12:38:13 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 24 December, 2010, 11:51:54 AMThere probably wouldnt have been a 2000ad comic if it wasnt for Star Wars as it made Sci Fi massively popular in terms of popular...
Unless I've got my dates totally mixed up Prog 1 came out about three months before Episode IV.
Now if you're saying 2000AD wouldn't have survived without Star Wars that's a whole different argument, with which I would actuallyd disagree.
Rather than cross checking i will take your word as being correct.It would have survived without it as comics were big business then but star Wars certainly must have helped a bit.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 24 December, 2010, 12:38:13 PM
Unless I've got my dates totally mixed up Prog 1 came out about three months before Episode IV.
Now if you're saying 2000AD wouldn't have survived without Star Wars that's a whole different argument, with which I would actuallyd disagree.
You don't have your dates wrong, but it was the building buzz for Star Wars- along with several other sci-fi movies in the Hollywood pipeline, mentioned in the media of the day, that inspired the original 'pitch' for 2000AD and its subsequent 'green light'. And it was Star Wars's runaway success that shoved sci-fi into the number one spot of little boys imaginations (usurping war, cowboys and dinosaurs) in 1977, and therefore secured the future of the comic.
And as for the prequels being "more superficial" than the originals, I'd argue that the reverse is true. For all the goodwill I have to the originals, they really are "black hat/ white hat" fables, whereas the prequels are largely about political and personal machination, as well as idealogical grey areas. I could equally argue that it's in that aspect that they fail (somewhat), as I would have thought it hard for small boys to get excited about banking clans and fiscal blockades and whatnot- but judging from the evidence of my own two they see straight through that and respond to the characters and the good vs evil story. Which is as it should be.
SBT
2000AD was out in February, Star Wars was released in May. I believe 200AD was in-development for over a year so Star Wars wouldn't have had a huge influence. There was a slew of SCI-FI films throughout the 70's that influenced the development of 2000AD.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 01:15:40 PM
And as for the prequels being "more superficial" than the originals, I'd argue that the reverse is true. For all the goodwill I have to the originals, they really are "black hat/ white hat" fables, whereas the prequels are largely about political and personal machination, as well as idealogical grey areas. I could equally argue that it's in that aspect that they fail (somewhat), as I would have thought it hard for small boys to get excited about banking clans and fiscal blockades and whatnot- but judging from the evidence of my own two they see straight through that and respond to the characters and the good vs evil story. Which is as it should be.
SBT
You're damn right they fail in that respect and that's the problem, but that is not my point when calling them
superficial as in ideas or ideology. They are
superficial in terms of film-making and execution, there is no depth or texture to anything, every scene seems to conform to some audience pleasing -or not pleasing- demographic with the purpose of filling out the 2 hour screen-time.
The sides may be black & white in the originals but at least there is some depth either in the performances or story, up to Empire anyway; as for characters in the prequels, I'd ask what characters?, there don't seem to be any.
Lucas' biggest crime is making StarWars ultimately boring and un-watchable.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 December, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
You're damn right they fail in that respect and that's the problem, but that is not my point when calling them superficial as in ideas or ideology. They are superficial in terms of film-making and execution, there is no depth or texture to anything, every scene seems to conform to some audience pleasing -or not pleasing- demographic with the purpose of filling out the 2 hour screen-time.
The sides may be black & white in the originals but at least there is some depth either in the performances or story, up to Empire anyway; as for characters in the prequels, I'd ask what characters?, there don't seem to be any.
Lucas' biggest crime is making StarWars ultimately boring and un-watchable.
That's all well and good Joe, but I can trump every one of your statements thusly
Me: "Bram, what are the best Star Wars films?"
Bram (Age 7): "Revenge of the Sith and Attack of the Clones"
Me: Bela, what are your favourite Star Wars films?"
Bela (Age 6): "Revenge of the Sith and The Phantom Menace".
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 01:34:13 PM
That's all well and good Joe, but I can trump every one of your statements thusly
Me: "Bram, what are the best Star Wars films?"
Bram (Age 7): "Revenge of the Sith and Attack of the Clones"
Me: Bela, what are your favourite Star Wars films?"
Bela (Age 6): "Revenge of the Sith and The Phantom Menace".
SBT
Ask them in 12 years and they're giving the prequels to the charity shop. After 7 kids get sense.
how many bloody page,s is that now talking about f in stars wars >:( >:(
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 24 December, 2010, 01:38:29 PM
how many bloody page,s is that now talking about f in stars wars >:( >:(
Have you got a film picture of
Anderson?, if you don't...
The Prequels are soulless abominations. The originals aren't.
But Return Of The Jedi edges pretty close-apart from the Luke/Darth scene at the end.
Now, what's this news on a Dredd film coming out?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 December, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Ask them in 12 years and they're giving the prequels to the charity shop. After 7 kids get sense.
I'll ignore the insult to my children. And if you really think that a 19 year old "has sense", then I'd suggest you don't know any nineteen year olds! I'd also say that at 19 and 18 they'll be exactly 12 years too old for their opinions on Star Wars to matter any more. The Star Wars films are for children. Lucas's absolute genius with the prequels was to ignore the "dark" fan fiction and spin-offery that had blighted the series "between sagas", and make a light and breezy space fantasy EXACTLY AS HE WANTED IT, with The Phantom Menace. Of course adults hated it- but kids didn't, and that's all that matters. His second piece of genius was not to cave in to "the fans" or anyone over the age of ten, and make the remaining two films EXACTLY AS HE WANTED TO. I'll take Lucas's vision over that of anyone else connected to the franchise anyday.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 December, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Ask them in 12 years and they're giving the prequels to the charity shop. After 7 kids get sense.
I'll ignore the insult to my children.
The insult was intended for all children.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 02:01:07 PM
His second piece of genius was not to cave in to "the fans" or anyone over the age of ten, and make the remaining two films EXACTLY AS HE WANTED TO. I'll take Lucas's vision over that of anyone else connected to the franchise anyday.
That was always Lucas' excuse for not trying and why he missed the boat, you don't have to do PR for him. His notion that old fans wanted tough "Terminator like films" just shows you he didn't really know what he was talking about as all people wanted was stories as good as the old ones. He's a hypocrite since he tried to please the old fan demographic after
Phantom by completely ditching Jar-Jar, so not only is he a lazy film-maker, he's also a complete compromiser afraid to lose out on some more cents. The Lucas angle is always corporatist and at the end of the day it's his money but that don't mean I should defend him. He's been wrong numerous time with his business angles multiple times, like the silly notion that the darker your films become in tone and story the less money you make so he had to have obligatory bad jokes and silly characters to please the happy demographic. Well
The Return of the King, the last of the Ring-films and the darkest, destroyed that notion as have many other films ala
the Dark Knight. As William Goldman said, "In Hollywood no one knows anything", when it comes to success.
As for Star Wars being for kids, I agree, but that's no reason to make bad films, if anything it should encourage someone to make them better with better structure, characters and stories. Something that was achieved outside the prequels by other talents.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 02:01:07 PM
Lucas's absolute genius with the prequels was to ignore the "dark" fan fiction and spin-offery that had blighted the series "between sagas", and make a light and breezy space fantasy EXACTLY AS HE WANTED IT, with The Phantom Menace.
This.
I'm primarily an OT fan, but was overjoyed to find TPM wasn't full of black trenchcoats and edgy bounty hunters. It is however a failure of a movie, albeit a magnificent and highly enjoyable one. I'd disagree with one of SBT's points in that the omission of significant Jar Jar from AotC and RotS is some sign the Lucas had rolled over to have his tummy tickled. That said, he's alive and well and surprisingly popular over in the (generally excellent) cartoon.
Where they really "light and breezy" though?
I'd imagine the average 7 year old to be completely lost with all the hamfisted, political machinations on display in the prequel films.
At best they were a masterclass in how to market a mediocre movie to the masses and how nostalgia plays such an important role-hense all the terrible remakes and reboots we as a paying audience are spoon fed and have to suffer.
The prequels have some redeeming qualities-principally visual effects and John Williams' brilliant scores.
But acting, script, and plot aren't amongst them.
And as for Star Wars being for kids? Well I'm sure the majority of the audience I watched The Phantom Menace with back in 1999 where in their mid to late 20's. Lucas really should of respected his core fan base and not just thought of the merchandising potential.
So, Starship Troopers, the Star Wars prequels...all we need now is something related to Star Trek and we've encapsulated internet bitchfests perfectly. :)
But yeah, to throw my own worthless two cents in, I find it amusing to look at these prequel debates--yeah, the prequels have flaws aplenty, but nerds blow them out of proportion to the point that it becomes hilarious IMO. Same applies to the originals amusingly enough; you'd think from listening to some people that Return of the Jedi is an abomination just because of the Ewoks, when it's still got plenty of gripping sequences and drama.
Anyway, back to Dredd...when can we see Lawmasters?
Quote from: TordelBack on 24 December, 2010, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 02:01:07 PM
Lucas's absolute genius with the prequels was to ignore the "dark" fan fiction and spin-offery that had blighted the series "between sagas", and make a light and breezy space fantasy EXACTLY AS HE WANTED IT, with The Phantom Menace.
This.
I'm primarily an OT fan, but was overjoyed to find TPM wasn't full of black trenchcoats and edgy bounty hunters. It is however a failure of a movie, albeit a magnificent and highly enjoyable one. I'd disagree with one of SBT's points in that the omission of significant Jar Jar from AotC and RotS is some sign the Lucas had rolled over to have his tummy tickled. That said, he's alive and well and surprisingly popular over in the (generally excellent) cartoon.
I don't think many would have wanted
Star Wars films full of of black-suited characters but the Lucas contention "that's what poeple wanted" is laughable and hypocritical in a naive, missing-the-irony, kind of way.
Quote from: TordelBack on 24 December, 2010, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 02:01:07 PM
Lucas's absolute genius with the prequels was to ignore the "dark" fan fiction and spin-offery that had blighted the series "between sagas", and make a light and breezy space fantasy EXACTLY AS HE WANTED IT, with The Phantom Menace.
This.
I'm primarily an OT fan, but was overjoyed to find TPM wasn't full of black trenchcoats and edgy bounty hunters. It is however a failure of a movie, albeit a magnificent and highly enjoyable one. I'd disagree with one of SBT's points in that the omission of significant Jar Jar from AotC and RotS is some sign the Lucas had rolled over to have his tummy tickled. That said, he's alive and well and surprisingly popular over in the (generally excellent) cartoon.
But the original films had plenty of dark undercurrents and subtext, especially The Empire Strikes Back.
It's more to do with the prequels failing miserably on almost every level as examples of the film making process and as entertainment.
Lucas insulted his audience by underestimating their appreciation and understanding for the tone, character and story of the originals. The idea that he wasn't making the films for the older audience but for the new-kids doesn't wash since it was the older audience who turned out in their droves to watch the special editions of the OT, re-ignited the franchise and paid for the Phantom Menace shoot.
karl urban will appear in the next star trek movie.before that he,s doing a judge dredd movie :D
Awesome avatar Macbrayne LMFAO.
and I love the Clone Wars animated series.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 December, 2010, 01:17:12 PM
2000AD was out in February, Star Wars was released in May. I believe 200AD was in-development for over a year so Star Wars wouldn't have had a huge influence. There was a slew of SCI-FI films throughout the 70's that influenced the development of 2000AD.
Indeed. Namely, "Westworld", "Logan's Run", "Soilent Green", "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "Death Race 2000".
What tends to get forgotten here is that the pre-release word-of-mouth for Star Wars was huge. Expectations were stratospheric, based in part on the Alan Dean Foster novel of 1976 and in part on reports from the set and workshops, despite the film's long and troubled over-budget production. While the film industry was caught on the hop (it only opened in about 30 cinemas), the SF fanbase was more than ready - queues on opening night were unprecedented. 2000AD was tapping into this wave of expectation: SF adventure was going to be big.
Carry on about star wars if you want, but the conversation about stupid children, whether it was intended as an insult or not, personal or otherwise (I'm not having a go at anyone), was edging dangerously close to a full blown argument about something more than a movie. I just ask that we keep the bitchyness from increasing.
Quote from: TordelBack;570853What tends to get forgotten here is that the pre-release word-of-mouth for Star Wars was huge. Expectations were stratospheric, based in part on the Alan Dean Foster novel of 1976 and in part on reports from the set and workshops, despite the film's long and troubled over-budget production. While the film industry was caught on the hop (it only opened in about 30 cinemas), the SF fanbase was more than ready - queues on opening night were unprecedented. 2000AD was tapping into this wave of expectation: SF adventure was going to be big.
Come on Michael,...save the day with an Anderson picture!
Quote from: willthemightyW on 24 December, 2010, 07:25:41 PM
Carry on about star wars if you want, but the conversation about stupid children, whether it was intended as an insult or not, personal or otherwise (I'm not having a go at anyone), was edging dangerously close to a full blown argument about something more than a movie. I just ask that we keep the bitchyness from increasing.
there are no stupid children...
why not start a star wars or starship troopers thread and let the others on here not waste several pages of crap irrelavent to the thread being the new dredd fillum.
Quote from: willthemightyW on 24 December, 2010, 07:25:41 PM
Carry on about star wars if you want, but the conversation about stupid children, whether it was intended as an insult or not, personal or otherwise (I'm not having a go at anyone), was edging dangerously close to a full blown argument...
No it wasn't, don't overblow things, we haven't seen a real argument in ages on this forum. Nothing compared to the old days.
Quote from: mogzilla on 24 December, 2010, 07:47:31 PMwhy not start a star wars or starship troopers thread and let the others on here not waste several pages of crap irrelavent to the thread being the new dredd fillum.
As has been said earlier if anyone has anyting worthwhile to say about Dredd, then post it, and stop telling others to change their conversation if you have nothing to add in the first place. This thread is over a hundred pages you can't expect it all to be about Dredd. You can change it by making a contribution.
Quote from: mogzilla on 24 December, 2010, 07:47:31 PM
why not start a star wars or starship troopers thread and let the others on here not waste several pages of crap irrelavent to the thread being the new dredd fillum.
It's not really random crap talking about Starship Troopers or Star Wars though, is it? It's about SF movies, expectations in advance, CGI vs. Practical/Miniature effects, good plot vs. spectacle - in the absence of and Anderson pic it seems like legitimate banter to me, at least in the Test Match Special mode.
I grew out of Star Wars. You can too with seven monthly installments of just £7.99.
Seriously, though, anything that isn't the first two movies can go fuck itself.
To be fair this is a thread about the Dredd film..would take 2 minutes to start a Star Wars thread
I keep checking here because I think there is more news only to be disappointed
To be fair, we got to around a hundred pages out of one picture, everything else is a bonus. Other threads will start when the Anderson/other photo is posted, so expecting official news on this thread will be fruitless.
This is basically a movie discussion thread that is related to Dredd, it's not a Star Wars thread either and hasn't been used as such. The references have been to the Star Wars films not Star Wars as an entity, to think that every post should ony ever reference Dredd is a little silly and too limiting for a discussion involving films. Anything else would be too pedantic for most of us. Nearly every post is relevant in some way to the title and expectation of the future film. We've never really had a Dredd film, we don't have much to go on, so you must expect other angles and references to find their way in.
ZZZ...*snerk :o I'm awake! hem? we talkin star wars now? ::)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 December, 2010, 09:20:06 PM
To be fair, we got to around a hundred pages out of one picture, everything else is a bonus. Other threads will start when the Anderson/other photo is posted, so expecting official news on this thread will be fruitless.
This is basically a movie discussion thread that is related to Dredd, it's not a Star Wars thread either and hasn't been used as such. The references have been to the Star Wars films not Star Wars as an entity, to think that every post should ony ever reference Dredd is a little silly and too limiting for a discussion involving films. Anything else would be too pedantic for most of us. Nearly every post is relevant in some way to the title and expectation of the future film. We've never really had a Dredd film, we don't have much to go on, so you must expect other angles and references to find their way in.
sorry,cant agree on that, theres a whole section in general devoted to film and tv i as the former george moore want to come on this thread when we see a last post today at... and think "yay,more news regarding the dredd film as the title clearly suggests ,not the random squabblins over which star wars prequel is worse oh and theres a picture of a fella in a helmet too thread.
theres a thouroughly nice chap giving his time on the official board who has the inside skinny on the film and very nicely gives us snippets and i like snippets...and i for one appreciate his time and effort posting dredd stuff on the starship trooper 2 thread. ;)
So are you saying we can't talk about the future Dredd film in reference to other films on this thread? There is a wider conversation going on.
...and if you really want to be pedantic, in case you haven't noticed, this is not a general Dredd film news thread this is called EXCLUSIVE - FIRST STILL FROM DREDD! that does not suggest general/more news about the Dredd film as there isn't really an exclusive or official thread for that yet. Feel free to set one up if you wish.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 December, 2010, 10:53:30 PM
So are you saying we can't talk about the future Dredd film in reference to other films on this thread? There is a wider conversation going on.
...and if you really want to be pedantic, in case you haven't noticed, this is not a general Dredd film news thread this is called EXCLUSIVE - FIRST STILL FROM DREDD! that does not suggest general/more news about the Dredd film as there isn't really an exclusive thread for that yet.
it does suggest that we'd be discussing the still and the design ,character etc ...you want to go off topic feel free, excuse me for wanting to keep a thread on what i believed was the topic ive nowt against star wars or general sci fi chit chat
when ther is an official thread how long do you think it wil take to go off topic?
Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 24 December, 2010, 09:12:15 PM
To be fair this is a thread about the Dredd film..would take 2 minutes to start a Star Wars thread
I keep checking here because I think there is more news only to be disappointed
what he said,is he being pedantic as well?
Do you know what I haven't eaten in ages?
Potato waffles.
Believe it or not I actually don't have any pics of Anderson.. I rarely get the opportunity to take pics, and when I do its with my less than stellar camera on my phone. It's also somewhat inappropriate to be snapping pics on set when they're shooting..
But as it's Christmas, I'll see what I can dig up that's safe to post.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 December, 2010, 11:31:11 PM
Believe it or not I actually don't have any pics of Anderson.. I rarely get the opportunity to take pics, and when I do its with my less than stellar camera on my phone. It's also somewhat inappropriate to be snapping pics on set when they're shooting..
But as it's Christmas, I'll see what I can dig up that's safe to post.
most kind sir. a fuller pic of the judges uniform would be nice...
That's one I don't have. I've got a nice lawgiver one somewhere though?
was that a typo for lawmaster perchance??? ;) ;) ;)
I have the first Christmas post !
I was hoping of some magical Anderson pic to turn up at the stoke of midnight, but no dice...
Quote from: mogzilla on 24 December, 2010, 11:03:46 PM
it does suggest that we'd be discussing the still and the design ,character etc ...you want to go off topic feel free, excuse me for wanting to keep a thread on what i believed was the topic ive nowt against star wars or general sci fi chit chat
You said it,
suggest, not dictate.
Quote from: mogzilla on 24 December, 2010, 11:03:46 PM
I keep checking here because I think there is more news only to be disappointed
what he said,is he being pedantic as well?
Maybe and also a bit too hopeful. Anything genuinely new will get it's own thread, as it should since it will be an official announcement, in which we will also waffle to our hearts content. It's a conversation after all not a lecture.
Goodness me, I am so tired of all this talk about what should and shouldn't be discussed in this thread. It's hardly relevant to the actual topic, is it? I suggest folks go start another thread to discuss what we should discuss on this one.
...Or we could just continue having a normal conversation, like we have been doing. ::) Conversations wander, it's what they do. Really. If we have to start a separate thread every time the conversation diverts slightly from the main topic it would become too hard to follow. The moment we started a thread about Star Wars somebody would be sure to bring up Dredd again and presumably we'd have to kick them back into this thread. Seems pointless. Easier just to have one thread. If you don't wan't to read anything not directly about Dredd then just skim... it's an essential skill for following anything on the internet anyway.
Oh, and Merry Christmas, everyone. (If that isn't too much off topic).
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 December, 2010, 01:15:40 PMAnd as for the prequels being "more superficial" than the originals, I'd argue that the reverse is true. For all the goodwill I have to the originals, they really are "black hat/ white hat" fables, whereas the prequels are largely about political and personal machination, as well as idealogical grey areas...
Where the prequels are really superficial and truly fall on their ass is in terms of characterisation. Palpatine is the closest there is to an actual believable character in the prequel trilogy... and as he's the bad guy so the audience aren't really supposed to relate to him much anyway that's far from ideal. The prequels see some genuinely excellent actors (particularly Ewan Mcgregor and Natalie Portman) put on the weakest performances of their careers, and the source material is to blame. Unfortunately no amount of acting skill can compensate for a badly written character.
The characters in the original trilogy may have been based on stereotypes, but they were believable. The audience wanted them to succeed because they believed in them. This was utterly lacking from the prequels. I found myself not giving two shits what happened to the characters because they were so fake... The 'central' character of Anakin being the most fake of the lot. That was the last nail in the coffin for me, really. The main character was the weakest link!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 December, 2010, 11:39:27 PM
That's one I don't have. I've got a nice lawgiver one somewhere though?
And a pic of Han Solo's blaster if you've got one. :thumbsup:
Had to upload from my phone.. Sorry about the quality, but merry Christmas!
Many thanks! :)
His & Hers matching sidearms, how lovely :D
Quote from: Michaelvk on 25 December, 2010, 08:05:43 AM
Had to upload from my phone.. Sorry about the quality, but merry Christmas!
Cool! Great pic's, loving the look and I must admit I prefer this design over the standard curve in the comic, I never thought I would see myself saying that ever!! Thanks Michael :D
What a great Xmas present that is, thanks for your snippets of info and current pic's thus far Michael, good work that man :D
Yep thanks! I was a tad worried the gun had a rather generic machine pistol look from the first photo, (and to be fair, it does compared to the comic version of the mark 2) but those pictures certainly have a more lawgiver feel. I think it's something to do with the little 'slot' LED indicators at the top. Something I believe it actually shares with the Stalone movie version* without going the blocky route. (Not that I mind 'blocky' for future guns, but this alternative is welcome.)
*Regardless of how rather pants that film was, I didn't think their gun was a bad design.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 25 December, 2010, 04:12:01 AM
Where the prequels are really superficial and truly fall on their ass is in terms of characterisation.
I rather agree with this. The worst things about the prequels were the depictions of the characters by actors who are largely good in other things. I'm not too sure why this is. Is it bad writing? Partly I think, but there was some bad writing in the original trilogy too, but the actors somehow pulled it off with their spirit and enthusiasm. I think part of it was that many of the characters here are Jedi and politicians, i.e. conservative types. Those who's reactions tend to be measured... which comes across rather wooden. And then when they do go nuts (Palapatine at the end for example) it looks rather off...
We certainly could have done with less of Anakin's petulance, particularly in the second film though. (I thought the balance he brought to the third film was better, albeit his move to evil went too far too fast. [spoiler]Killing sand people because they had tortured his mother to death? Believable. Wiping out younglings because the Emperor tells him to? Unbelievable.[/spoiler])
I also remember Lucas stating in his commentary of
Attack of the Clones that he intended the films to adopt a 20s (or was it 30s?) style. He was referring mainly to the scrolling text etc, but he said the acting style was supposed to follow this too. I don't intend that as a criticism of the acting style of that age of cinema, but having modern actors acting in a style they're not well acquainted with could be of detriment. I'm not sure if the original trilogy was intended to be in that style too.
These criticisms aside, I'm pretty much with SBT in my liking of the prequels. They are very flawed, but I thought the story and plotting was actually rather good. Certainly more complex than the rather basic stories of the original trilogy. Star Wars and Jedi pretty much follow the same plots when you get down to it. [spoiler](I.e. a rescue then attack on a death star.*)[/spoiler] With the prequels you have political machinations and evil officials playing two sides against each other to their own benefit. Great stuff. Shame that the thread concerning the main character (Anakin) is what fell short of the mark.
*I loved the more complex characterisation of Luke and Vader in Jedi though. I.e. Luke shows a darker side to his character (he actually does try to strike down the emperor in cold blood!) and Vader... well we know how that ended. A lot don't like that. They want Vader to be an all big bad, but I enjoy themes of morality and redemption. Besides Palpatine fits the irredeemably evil role with aplomb.
I'll probably affront some of you by saying this, but yep, Jedi is probably my favourite of the original trilogy, although I think they should have gone with the original idea of the wookies instead of the Ewoks. I understand why Lucas decided to go that route (it was all about showing supposedly weaker folk overthrowing tyranny.. and wookies were never particularly weak!) but it would have had a nice symmetry considering Chewbacca. He's a support character, but a very iconic (ugh, cliché, I know) one.
That speeder bike dash through the forests of Endor remains an excellent sequence. Even compared to the pod-race in The Phantom Menace.
Those 'Givers look like a cross between the Stallone one and the Mk. II to me.
Those slots aren't led status bars, they're cooling vents.. The status screen is just below them.
Quote from: Michaelvk;570991Those slots aren't led status bars, they're cooling vents.. The status screen is just below them.
Thanks for the pic's Mikey boy and Merry Christmas to you. What's the difference between the his and hers law givers,...is Andersons pink? :-)
Continuity. They both have different scenic finishes re scratches and scrapes.
Quote from: Michaelvk;570994Continuity. They both have different scenic finishes re scratches and scrapes.
Thanks this is an amazing insight into film making. Has this type of Q and A happened during a film before?
Lookin' good. So I'm guessing the bullets are in the grip and the different types of ammo are in the other cartridge? Whenever I see these types of guns it seems like they'd feel a bit unatural though, what with them being a bit front-heavy.
Bullets, bullets, bullets!!!!
ROUNDS
I feel better now ;)
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 25 December, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Bullets, bullets, bullets!!!!
ROUNDS
I feel better now ;)
Shells?
Dracula.. I doubt it. I also doubt I'm allowed to say as much as I do as it is. However I'm only commenting on things that've already been publicized, and won't show anything that hasn't been okayed.
SAJse, the way I saw things is the weapon fires a standard hollow point round, but specific sub munitions can be loaded on to the round's tip. The sub munitions may be able to be fired as stand alone rounds, but to the detriment of their range and efficiency. It'd be electrically fired, so that would allow the sub munitions to be fired. But that was just my take on things. The thing is front heavy, but there's not much you can do about that. I suppose it might slightly counter muzzle climb, but only marginally..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 25 December, 2010, 08:05:43 AM
Had to upload from my phone.. Sorry about the quality, but merry Christmas!
I have always been curious how this design would have any firepower and why the magazine is so far away from the firing mechanism.I just dont get it.
Normally a pistol loads from just above the trigger from the stock and then the round travels down the barrel of the gun therefore providing a certain amount of range yet with this design the magazine is at the front with virtually no distance between the magazine and the end of the barrel effectively giving the lawmaster all of the firepower of a spud gun.
Not to mention the location of the magazine at the front of the barrel is going to cause all sorts of problems with recoil etc making it unfit for purpose.
I am quite willing to suspend reality though so its not a problem and no doubt someone somewhere has done a diagram explaining the mechanisms involved that may or may not make sense but its obviously one of those instances where its design over function.
Thanks for posting the pic BTW.
Read my previous post. It still loads pistol rounds like any other pistol, with the sub munitions in the front magazine..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 25 December, 2010, 03:34:13 PM
Read my previous post. It still loads pistol rounds like any other pistol, with the sub munitions in the front magazine..
So there is a magazine in the stock as well as the extra magazine ?
|That makes a bit more sense
I didnt bother reading the previous comments as i only looked at the pictures and then started typing but it was something interesting to think about for a few minutes.
Quote from: Michaelvk;571004Dracula.. I doubt it. I also doubt I'm allowed to say as much as I do as it is. However I'm only commenting on things that've already been publicized, and won't show anything that hasn't been okayed.
SAJse, the way I saw things is the weapon fires a standard hollow point round, but specific sub munitions can be loaded on to the round's tip. The sub munitions may be able to be fired as stand alone rounds, but to the detriment of their range and efficiency. It'd be electrically fired, so that would allow the sub munitions to be fired. But that was just my take on things. The thing is front heavy, but there's not much you can do about that. I suppose it might slightly counter muzzle climb, but only marginally..
We all appreciate the info' your providing on the films progress and kindly acknowledge the risk you are taking in doing so. On the flip side though and as you`ve suggested it's a unique way of marketing a new film to it's core audience even before it's gone into serious production. Beats having a bland run of the mill up and coming film website perhaps?
They carry reserves of both mags on their belts..
Dracula, I'm in no way officially representing Rena films who are producing this picture. I originally started posting here in a reaction to others making misleading statements. But you guys all seem pretty cool, so I figured I'd hang out and awnser what I can.. As far as I'm concerned the fans take first priority, and without the solid fan core behind it, we'll get nowhere. You guys are the first in line for this at the theater and are the guys that buy the single as well as dubble disc versions of the dvd (just an example, I have no idea if they'll do a 2 disc release..).
I'm only posting stuff here and nowhere else, by the way.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 25 December, 2010, 02:41:25 PM
Dracula.. I doubt it. I also doubt I'm allowed to say as much as I do as it is. However I'm only commenting on things that've already been publicized, and won't show anything that hasn't been okayed.
SAJse, the way I saw things is the weapon fires a standard hollow point round, but specific sub munitions can be loaded on to the round's tip. The sub munitions may be able to be fired as stand alone rounds, but to the detriment of their range and efficiency. It'd be electrically fired, so that would allow the sub munitions to be fired. But that was just my take on things. The thing is front heavy, but there's not much you can do about that. I suppose it might slightly counter muzzle climb, but only marginally..
Thanks. I have no idea how that might work but it at least adds a unique, novelty type thing. The thought of mixing bullets/rounds/shells/caps with a variety of different tips hadn't really ocurred to me before.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 25 December, 2010, 08:05:43 AM
Had to upload from my phone.. Sorry about the quality, but merry Christmas!
I like what I'm seeing.
Is it just me? I don't see any picture of The Lawgiver?!! :-*
Quote from: Michaelvk;571016They carry reserves of both mags on their belts..
Dracula, I'm in no way officially representing Rena films who are producing this picture. I originally started posting here in a reaction to others making misleading statements. But you guys all seem pretty cool, so I figured I'd hang out and awnser what I can.. As far as I'm concerned the fans take first priority, and without the solid fan core behind it, we'll get nowhere. You guys are the first in line for this at the theater and are the guys that buy the single as well as dubble disc versions of the dvd (just an example, I have no idea if they'll do a 2 disc release..).
I'm only posting stuff here and nowhere else, by the way.
It's a privilage to have you here on the forum. We are a big family Dredd on this forum and having grown up with 2000ad and all it's characters we have a vested interest in the end product. Your right indicating that if you get it right at this fan level the rest should follow. Financially this core fan base could guarentee a good return when the film is released through theatre ticket and dvd sales.
What would everyone want to see on disc two of the bluray or dvd release?
nice givers... :D
Quote from: weehawk on 25 December, 2010, 07:20:23 PM
Is it just me? I don't see any picture of The Lawgiver?!! :-*
You have to sign in to see the pic :)
I'll be honest with you, I never realized how big Dredd was until I was on this job.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 25 December, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Bullets, bullets, bullets!!!!
ROUNDS
Cheers CF! I'll have a pint.
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 25 December, 2010, 08:34:24 PM
Quote from: weehawk on 25 December, 2010, 07:20:23 PM
Is it just me? I don't see any picture of The Lawgiver?!! :-*
You have to sign in to see the pic :)
You have to sign in to post though too .. I guess weehawk was signed in
Quote from: Michaelvk on 25 December, 2010, 08:05:43 AM
Had to upload from my phone.. Sorry about the quality, but merry Christmas!
does this help :D
Quote from: dracula1 on 25 December, 2010, 07:24:13 PM... What would everyone want to see on disc two of the bluray or dvd release?
For the Blu-ray I want the following:- An
extensive PiP commentary by the director and writer, taking a cue from the PiP track on "Rambo" (best one to date).
- An audio commentary with the lead cast
- An extensive 90-120 min behind the scenes featurette covering the entire process from the preproduction to post production and marketing; extensive to the point where it's film school in a box, like the Alien Quadrology/Anthology and Terminator 2 featurettes.
- A 30 - 45 featurette on designing the look, the backgrounds, the weapons, uniforms and everything else
- A 30 - 45 min feature on Judge Dredd and 2000AD, featuring Wagner and key 2000AD personell.
- All trailers and TV spots
And I absolutely do NOT want the following:- Worthless garbage features designed to sell the movie like the worthless garbage ones included on the DVD and german Blu-ray of the 1995 movie
In short, I want substance, featurettes that take me through the production and details that I hadn't seen before. Featurettes that discuss all aspects of the movie and its production process. I don't want pointless fluff designed to sell the movie I already bought.
Aye, all that would be nice.
Really though, I'll be happy so long as it doesn't have "EXTREME JUDICIARY EXTENDED UNRATED EDITION" plastered across the front.
Yes definitely steer away from those Electronic Press Kits. Does anybody watch those anyway?
A visual history of Dredd and 2000ad is a must though. Also more of Jocks lovely pre-production art work.
As HMV, Play.com, etc love doing their exclusives, how about some limited packaging with box art created especially for the DVD/Blu-Ray release? Maybe from Mr Ezquerra himself?
Not just Ezquerra, and not just for the DVD/BD release; all notable Judge Dredd cover artists should be commisioned to do a take on the movie's poster.
Such alternate posters are awesome for promotion towards the online market, retailers and conventions. They also make swell alternate coverart for those of us who prefer custom DVD and Blu-ray covers, as they official ones are almost always crap anyway, with ratings and quotes and all that garbage destroying the art.
Quote from: norse_sage on 27 December, 2010, 10:59:43 AM
Not just Ezquerra; all notable Judge Dredd cover artists should be commisioned to do a take on the poster for the movie.
Such posters are awesome for promotion towards the online market, retailers and conventions. They also make swell alternate covers for those of us who prefer custom DVD and Blu-ray covers, as they official ones are almost always crap anyway, with ratings and quotes and all that garbage destroying the art.
Groovy! I'd love Cliff Robinson on the list :thumbsup:
Reversible sleeve tastic! Something like that lovely Dawn Of The Dead Blu-ray!
One idea to drum up some publicity would be to do an online poll to see who gets the gig.
EPK's can be so embarrassing.. Listening to some random actor/actress waxing lyrically about some half arsed turkey of a movie that completely the point and tanks horribly at the box office.. Alien resurrection comes to mind.. Oh, not sure if it'll happen, but they interviewed myself and a few of the fabrication lads regarding the lawgiver, and the bike fabrication lads re the lawmaster.. That's apparently for a featurette.. Again, whether they use it is another question..
It would be awesome if you could forward the memo of what we want in and what we want out of the BD/DVD to the right powers that be - and even more awesome if they listened...
Edit after Michaelvk's:
If they have filmed it, I see no reason why they wouln't include a featurette on the design you and your team are behind. That's one item crossed of my above wish list right there :D
I hope these were relatively in depth interviews?
I was rabbiting on for a good half hour or so.. Took them through the workshop after that too.. Enough to give the lads plenty of ammo to shred me, calling me EPKesteren after that... The irony will be that the version with the extra features probably won't be available in South Africa.. They did that with Hot Fuzz amongst others.. We only got the single disc version..
That sounds ago, assuming they interviewed some other of your guys aswell, and will probably have some narration in there, we might, best case scenario, get a 20-ish min faeturette devoted to your designs. That would be sweet.
Of course, all of the featurettes they film might not make it into each and every DVD/BD release around the world, as the distributors generally have to pay extra for bonus features.
But I would imagine that in this case, the UK Blu-ray will be the most complete release out there.
Quote from: norse_sage;571212That sounds ago, assuming they interviewed some other of your guys aswell, and will probably have some narration in there, we might, best case scenario, get a 20-ish min faeturette devoted to your designs. That would be sweet.
Of course, all of the featurettes they film might not make it into each and every DVD/BD release around the world, as the distributors generally have to pay extra for bonus features.
But I would imagine that in this case, the UK Blu-ray will be the most complete release out there.
Very comprehensive answers as to what we'd like to see on disc2 there lads. Lets hope they take note cos' there's alot of wonga ££€€$$ in it for sure. Now where's that Anderson picture?
I dont think the Minty guys will mind me saying -
It would be a dream come true to have Minty put onto the DVD extras disk for Dredd.
Dan.
That would be awesome..
Or how 'bout as an opening feature before the movie in the theatre?
Hmm, can't see that happening from a marketing point of view, confusing the potential audience with two different visions of the same property. It would be fine for us in the loop but not for the "masses".
Being on a DVD would be fine assuming who actually "owns" the Minty film and publishing rigths can be worked out which is where I see a problem.
Ah yes. Ye olde intellectual property minefield..
Don't know if this has been done.What about interviews with forum members or fans at conventions or examples of the discussions generated by boarders whilst the movie was being made as part of disc 2.
Especially during the 2000AD talk at KAPOW ;)
Quote from: dracula1 on 28 December, 2010, 05:33:57 PM
Don't know if this has been done.What about interviews with forum members or fans at conventions or examples of the discussions generated by boarders whilst the movie was being made as part of disc 2.
Hate to say it but that sounds awful, not something I'd want to buy anyway or take up room on valuable disck space.
He only said that because he never goes to any :lol: ;)
I would pay to hear a (you know who) commentary track, but I expect I would need to get at least as drunk as I am now to sit through it. :D
I'll happily record a voice track commentary for the Dredd movie. I mean, I'm nobody, but how hard can it be?
'Blah blah bleh, Karl urban was great, blah neh neh bleeh, put a blue filter on everything, bleh blah bloo blehdy blah, this film is great, blah blah, look at the wall in this scene and it says 'arsom', bleeeeh bl-bl-ble-blaaaah, I had a childhood crush on Judge Anderson, you know...'
Surely that's got to be worth 90 minutes with a microphone? ;)
...and that's why fans shouldn't get on DVDs.
I just hope it won't end up being crammed with an hour of fawning artistes waffling on about how great they and the the director was. Plenty of features have been ruined for me that way..
Well I would love an intro by Carlos- drawing Dredd as he talks, naturally- with a brief piece on the history of Dredd as a comic book character...
I also hope the boffins at 2000AD are working on a nice 2000AD logo based title sequence (like, but better than, Marvel's flip-book version)
I'd also like to have a 20 min section of just being with the main crew on the film set. No voice over, no flashy graphics, nothing, just a day-in-the-life sort of thing. Just watching people watching monitors, directors barking orders, lighting crew walking through shot with barn door lights, that sort of thing.
A break-down of a major FX shot would be nice too, esp using the 3d process.
A digital comic strip would be cool- the sort that you flip through with the chapter buttons on the remote ( how about Jocks storyboard comic?)
Finally, A Judge Dredd badge shaped DVD collectors case would be standard issue, creep.
Quote from: Teivion on 29 December, 2010, 10:56:46 AM
I'd also like to have a 20 min section of just being with the main crew on the film set. No voice over, no flashy graphics, nothing, just a day-in-the-life sort of thing. Just watching people watching monitors, directors barking orders, lighting crew walking through shot with barn door lights, that sort of thing.
Nooooooo!!! It's so incredibly dull!!! 20 minutes might seem interesting, but, just for a laugh, loop that for 9 hours.. Being on set is really only interesting if you're actually doing anything.. Otherwise it's like a dentists waiting room without the magazines..
Don't believe a word he says, he's just trying to cover for the booze and drug fuelled 12-hour-orgies and the hour or two of the most thrilling/creatively sublime work known to man that happens in-between the hedonism.
How do you think $45 million really gets spent?
Welcome to the Pleasuredome, Xanadu.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 December, 2010, 02:02:50 PM
How do you think $45 million really gets spent?
Fixing it in post..
You'd think people would have learned how to shoot/record properly by now. Sometimes I hate being an editor.
Quote from: Teivion on 29 December, 2010, 10:56:46 AM
I also hope the boffins at 2000AD are working on a nice 2000AD logo based title sequence (like, but better than, Marvel's flip-book version)
I was hoping for something like that myself. Or would it be Rebellion? Maybe both! I'd prefer 2000AD though.
Quote from: SAJse;571516I was hoping for something like that myself. Or would it be Rebellion? Maybe both! I'd prefer 2000AD though.
What about a evolution type animation showing Dredds various guises over the years. From McMahon, Ezquerra, Bellardenelli up to the modern greats like Bolland, Dillon and Kev Walker.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 28 December, 2010, 10:55:54 PM
...and that's why fans shouldn't get on DVDs.
My point exactly!
Quote from: dracula1 on 29 December, 2010, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: SAJse;571516I was hoping for something like that myself. Or would it be Rebellion? Maybe both! I'd prefer 2000AD though.
What about a evolution type animation showing Dredds various guises over the years. From McMahon, Ezquerra, Bellardenelli up to the modern greats like Bolland, Dillon and Kev Walker.
I think Tharg throwing a
free Space Spinner in 3D at the audience is more appropriate.
A short feature [half an hour in length] as an extra on the DVD explaining the history of the character and the comic in general would be a very good idea.
Quote from: dracula1 on 29 December, 2010, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: SAJse;571516I was hoping for something like that myself. Or would it be Rebellion? Maybe both! I'd prefer 2000AD though.
What about a evolution type animation showing Dredds various guises over the years. From McMahon, Ezquerra, Bellardenelli up to the modern greats like Bolland, Dillon and Kev Walker.
I wouldn't call Bolland 'modern'. He was one of the first Dredd artists around the time of McMahon and Gibson.
In fact, Carlos didn't actually draw a published episode of Dredd until after Bolland and McMahon had stopped, so he
is arguably the more modern.
I'm being needlessly pedantic aren't I?
A small featurette with Karl Urban talking about the craftsmanship of the painters and set builders ;)
I rather see the painters and builders talk about it than Karl Urban.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 29 December, 2010, 07:51:21 PM
I wouldn't call Bolland 'modern'. He was one of the first Dredd artists around the time of McMahon and Gibson.
In fact, Carlos didn't actually draw a published episode of Dredd until after Bolland and McMahon had stopped, so he
is arguably the more modern.
I'm being needlessly pedantic aren't I?
Depends what you mean by
modern. I wouldn't judge something
modern by when it happened in the last 30 years but by style. Considering Carlos designed what McMahon initially "copied" the argument is kind of moot when it comes to when it all happened and by whom.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 December, 2010, 08:04:51 PM
I rather see the painters and builders talk about it than Karl Urban.
How dare you, I think you'll find Stallone did a good job on his featurette doing this :lol: :lol:
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 29 December, 2010, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 December, 2010, 08:04:51 PM
I rather see the painters and builders talk about it than Karl Urban.
How dare you, I think you'll find Stallone did a good job on his featurette doing this :lol: :lol:
That's cos he's only good when doing
'ettes.
Can we have a nice vanilla dvd for those of us who can't be arsed with 'vam'. And a nice big 'making of' book instead.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 29 December, 2010, 09:44:53 PM
Can we have a nice vanilla dvd for those of us who can't be arsed with 'vam'. And a nice big 'making of' book instead.
SBT
GAWD YES! A ''making of'' & ''art of'' DREDD books would be much preferred.
Imagine a 2 disc edition with a Dredd buste and making of booklet some time around Christmas 2012? Just in time for the Mayan apocalypse..
How about a triple disc Bluray and loads of books :D
Quote from: Lee Bates on 29 December, 2010, 07:51:21 PMIn fact, Carlos didn't actually draw a published episode of Dredd until after Bolland and McMahon had stopped, so he is arguably the more modern.
I'm being needlessly pedantic aren't I?
Head. Hurt. But Krong KRUSH pedants.
DVD extras? For a film that doesn't even come out for another two years? This thread is now officially more mental than the Politics thread.
so about this 20th anniversary thing in 2042...
Quote from: Garageman on 30 December, 2010, 02:56:08 PM
so about this 20th anniversary thing in 2042...
I think they should do a trilogy edition holo-tape for sure.
And in fifty years, when they've pioneered Real-Life-O-Vision, they should definitely go back to the masters and rework them so that we can actually participate in the movie's events at home!
I've noticed they've added more cast credits on the imdb page...
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 December, 2010, 02:56:08 PM
so about this 20th anniversary thing in 2042...
30th anniversary.
Just pointing it out before someone else does.
Quote from: doggettX;571656I've noticed they've added more cast credits on the imdb page...
Any indication on who's cast as ma ma or chief judge?
I am just about to watch Doom to get an idea of the acting ability of Karl Urban.
Quote from: dracula1 on 30 December, 2010, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: doggettX;571656I've noticed they've added more cast credits on the imdb page...
Any indication on who's cast as ma ma or chief judge?
Nope.
But there's a paramedic called T.J
Quote from: doggettX on 30 December, 2010, 06:11:37 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 30 December, 2010, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: doggettX;571656I've noticed they've added more cast credits on the imdb page...
Any indication on who's cast as ma ma or chief judge?
Nope.
But there's a paramedic called T.J
Please, not Hooker :'(
Peter, Urban seems to alternate between some reasonably good roles, and complete tosh. Doom is the latter. You'd be better off watching his turn as McCoy in Star Trek, in which he's brilliant and manages to honour DeForrest Kelley without doing a 'john culshaw'.
That's 'shit impression', by the way.
SBT
Watch RED, he beats Bruce up In an office and when he says 'Grandad' he does Joe's chin and it's spot on. WATCH IT NOW!
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 30 December, 2010, 06:59:13 PM
You'd be better off watching his turn as McCoy in Star Trek, in which he's brilliant and manages to honour DeForrest Kelley without doing a 'john culshaw'.
It is an amazing performance, and rather steals the show. Somehow he
is McCoy, but
not Kelley. The other two leads do a good job too, but somehow they work better when they catch something of Shatner (the Kobyashi Maru sequence) or Nimoy (the Science Academy panel scene) rather than their characters.
I thought Pine pretty much Shatnered his way through the whole film without veering off into Jim Carrey territory. He was pretty good. Though Urban was probably my favourite.
Whats the lass playing Anderson like acting wise? I've only seen her in a bit part in Juno.
Quote from: dracula1 on 30 December, 2010, 09:45:48 PM
Whats the lass playing Anderson like acting wise? I've only seen her in a bit part in Juno.
No idea, but there was a rumour of a photo of her as Anderson appearing before too long (or am I mistaken?). ;)
Quote from: Steve DGenerate on 30 December, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
No idea, but there was a rumour of a photo of her as Anderson appearing before too long (or am I mistaken?). ;)
I'll believe it when I see it. And drool all over it.
Quote from: Steve DGenerate on 30 December, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 30 December, 2010, 09:45:48 PM
Whats the lass playing Anderson like acting wise? I've only seen her in a bit part in Juno.
No idea, but there was a rumour of a photo of her as Anderson appearing before too long (or am I mistaken?). ;)
That was ages ago.
Its a bit mean to say there's a pic out there and not showing it to us.
Maybe they're nervous because of some of the comments made about the background vehicles. Still, we were a lot more positive about the little bits of set design we saw... I'm sure we'll all love Anderson.
So show us the pic movie people !
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 30 December, 2010, 06:59:13 PM
Peter, Urban seems to alternate between some reasonably good roles, and complete tosh. Doom is the latter. You'd be better off watching his turn as McCoy in Star Trek, in which he's brilliant and manages to honour DeForrest Kelley without doing a 'john culshaw'.
That's 'shit impression', by the way.
SBT
It wasnt the best introduction but he was certainly alright acting wise from what i could see.I wanted to see if i actually liked him as an actor or wether he irritated or whatever to see if it was a like or dislike.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 30 December, 2010, 07:03:37 PM
Watch RED, he beats Bruce up In an office and when he says 'Grandad' he does Joe's chin and it's spot on. WATCH IT NOW!
He does tend to pull that kind of face when angry as i noticed the same thing just now.
I will try to find a clip on Youtube as RED is a film i would rather avoid from what i have seen of it.
If he did this for RED, I can't wait to see how EXTREME his frown is in Dredd.
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3863/urbanfo.jpg)
Well done wadew1, that's the scene!
That sorta looks familiar..
Seem to recall him being good in The Bourne Supremacy and LOTR, hell even in Doom he was doing a good job with what he had. He really was fantastic in Star Trek though.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 31 December, 2010, 08:25:00 AM
Seem to recall him being good in The Bourne Supremacy and LOTR, hell even in Doom he was doing a good job with what he had. He really was fantastic in Star Trek though.
Yeah, but you're forgetting his greatest role. Tell me this isn't how you've always imagined Dredd at play:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/syl5bd.jpg)
Quote from: wadew1 on 31 December, 2010, 04:02:56 AM
If he did this for RED, I can't wait to see how EXTREME his frown is in Dredd.
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3863/urbanfo.jpg)
Now THAT is a good Dredd chin although I did like Stallone's chin also and facial expressions whilst he wore the helmet, at least he got that right!
Happy new year to all on the forum. Lets hope it's a new year filled with Dredd.
Oh! Rebellion and co. Get posting those Anderson and lawmaster pic's we deserve them.
Quote from: Judge Palmer on 31 December, 2010, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: wadew1 on 31 December, 2010, 04:02:56 AM
If he did this for RED, I can't wait to see how EXTREME his frown is in Dredd.
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3863/urbanfo.jpg)
Now THAT is a good Dredd chin although I did like Stallone's chin also and facial expressions whilst he wore the helmet, at least he got that right!
Happy new year forum.
I'm watching the 1995 film before i go out tonight to get in the new year mood lol
watched stallone in the expendables the other night and any stallone film is always good for a laugh lol
love that
Red film still! Instils hope for me in an actor i personally wouldnt have chosen to play Dredd, whom I'm also liking the look of as dredd more and more.
The nice thing about Karl is he's a huge Dredd fan himself..
I wonder what his Dredd will wind up sounding like. Dirty Harry?
That's one of the things I'm most curious about.
I just hope it's not too OTT gravelly Bale Batman...
Quote from: Michaelvk on 31 December, 2010, 06:01:40 PM
The nice thing about Karl is he's a huge Dredd fan himself..
That's good to hear as he will want even more from a personal perspective for the film to be a success as well as bring his own passion as a fan through when playing Dredd :)
Happy New Year everyone, have a good one and don't go too crazy as you won't want to end up in the cubes for the start of 2011 :)
I like hearing about Karl being a Dredd fan, but what stories were his favourite and was he still reading it up to now or just a childhood thing.
Be great to hear what influenced him as a young lad.
He calls himself a fan, yet he was unwilling to wear a giant eagle on his shoulder!
Grr!
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 01 January, 2011, 01:08:31 AM
He calls himself a fan, yet he was unwilling to wear a giant eagle on his shoulder!
Grr!
And you're so certain of this because..?
Quote from: wadew1 on 31 December, 2010, 06:10:46 PM
I wonder what his Dredd will wind up sounding like. Dirty Harry?
Personally I always imagine Dredd talking like Dirty Harry.
Quote from: Steve Green on 31 December, 2010, 07:08:32 PM
That's one of the things I'm most curious about.
I just hope it's not too OTT gravelly Bale Batman...
I think a growley Eastwood-in-Gran-Torino type voice would only work on an old ravaged Dredd e.g. I thought the voiceover in DreddVSDeath was weird, but it suited the version of Dredd they put in that game very well.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 31 December, 2010, 07:49:10 PM
I like hearing about Karl being a Dredd fan, but what stories were his favourite and was he still reading it up to now or just a childhood thing.
Be great to hear what influenced him as a young lad.
It's also fantastic if we compare it with Stallones faux fanship of Dredd! - has anyone seen 'stallone's law - the making of judge dredd' lol it made me cringe when stallone was asked to describe dredd!
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 01 January, 2011, 01:08:31 AM
He calls himself a fan, yet he was unwilling to wear a giant eagle on his shoulder!
Grr!
Is that a fact or something you made up?
Quite.
No-one outside of the production knows if there is an eagle pad for definite, and even if there isn't, it's more likely that would be a decision made by the director/production designer rather than the actor.
I believe Jared was joking.
Hard to tell these days...
Heavy on the sauce last night?
I wish!
Quote from: Steve Green on 01 January, 2011, 02:07:54 PM
No-one outside of the production knows if there is an eagle pad for definite,
Actually, didn't Michael say their was one? I suspect from the picture it won't be the massive thing we often see in the comics*, but it's there.
*Which I think is a good thing.
Case in point.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 December, 2010, 10:57:31 AM
That's a yes on the eagle.. Got a duff one in the car.
I'm not sure what a duff eagle is though. Heh. A previous design that didn't work?
I might have taken that out of context, quickly trawling through the thread as I did.
I thought he was talking about one on the belt buckle.
By duff, I imagine it's a casting that had something wrong with it.
surely rebellion can give us a new sneaky peek? new year and all... ;)
Quote from: Steve Green on 01 January, 2011, 06:49:45 PM
I thought he was talking about one on the belt buckle.
Nope, I believe it's a shoulder eagle of some sort.
Nope. Belt buckle. Had a badly cast one in the car.
And stop worrying about the other shoulder.
If he's able to walk through a doorway without having to turn sideways then the shoulder eagle isn't big enough!
NOTE: THIS COMMENT IS INTENDED AS A JOKE. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 02 January, 2011, 01:36:10 AM
Nope. Belt buckle. Had a badly cast one in the car.
And stop worrying about the other shoulder.
I think the best way to defuse these tensions is to show a pic of someone wearing the other shoulder pad. If you can't get Dredd, Anderson will suffice. Even if she's not wearing anything else. ;)
Been away from the site for over a week and still nothing new really.
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 25 December, 2010, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 25 December, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Bullets, bullets, bullets!!!!
ROUNDS
I feel better now ;)
Shells?
A round consists of a shell and a bullet
(http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/5.56mm/556mm_ammo.jpg)
(http://www.amalgamatedstuff.com/tt/handgun-ammunition_files/image002.gif)
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Quote from: Jared Katooie on 02 January, 2011, 01:52:34 AM
If he's able to walk through a doorway without having to turn sideways then the shoulder eagle isn't big enough!
NOTE: THIS COMMENT IS INTENDED AS A JOKE. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
They should just make doorways wider at the top :)
The first pic appeared from Jock on November 19th 2010 and some more pics turned up a little later in early[ish] December.
If the Production is using Holidays as there the guiding light behind picture delivery and the next Holiday is Easter [April 24th] there won't be any more pics till the end of March early April !
Quote from: vzzbux on 02 January, 2011, 10:17:19 AM
ROUNDS
I feel better now ;)[/color]
Shells?
[/quote]
A round consists of a shell and a bullet
(http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/5.56mm/556mm_ammo.jpg)
(http://www.amalgamatedstuff.com/tt/handgun-ammunition_files/image002.gif)
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I thought that a round consists of a shellcase and a bullet as i thought that the artillery fired shells as a shell was a name for a large explosive round.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 02 January, 2011, 01:28:57 PM
The first pic appeared from Jock on November 19th 2010 and some more pics turned up a little later in early[ish] December.
If the Production is using Holidays as there the guiding light behind picture delivery and the next Holiday is Easter [April 24th] there won't be any more pics till the end of March early April !
But wasn't there an announcement that an Anderson pic would be released soon.. or am I mis-remembering?
I'm beginning to thing no such pic exists or of it does, a block was put on its release after it was announced it would soon be released.
Or something like that....
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 02 January, 2011, 02:35:11 PM
But wasn't there an announcement that an Anderson pic would be released soon.. or am I mis-remembering?
I'm beginning to thing no such pic exists or of it does, a block was put on its release after it was announced it would soon be released.
Or something like that....
No, only that they had been seen by staff. No mention of it being released at anytime, but of course pictures exist, they're making a film so there will inevitably be numerous pictures of what or whoever is involved in the look of it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 January, 2011, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 02 January, 2011, 02:35:11 PM
But wasn't there an announcement that an Anderson pic would be released soon.. or am I mis-remembering?
I'm beginning to thing no such pic exists or of it does, a block was put on its release after it was announced it would soon be released.
Or something like that....
No, only that they had been seen by staff. No mention of it being released at anytime, but of course pictures exist, they're making a film so there will inevitably be numerous pictures of what or whoever is involved in the look of it.
Oh right.. I thought someone said we'd get a look at it soon.
Expectation levels now set to normal.
Well Happy New Year to everyone currently working on the movie and I'm sure we'll have an update on how things are going sooner or later. Keep the Faith. :cool:
Ta muchly, and the same to you lads and lasses!
The only thing that can really be said is that filming starts again on the 5th..
Patience is a virtue.
Everything will happen in its own time.
Big cheeses and shooting crew are back today.. Immediately no bloody parking >:( All bubbly, bouncy and well rested people..
oh yeah - This is just another stupid question - but it HAS been verified that the uniform Urban is wearing in that leaked pic is actually the official Judges uniform of Dredd and others in the film right?????
Quote from: thelawgiver on 04 January, 2011, 11:34:27 AM
oh yeah - This is just another stupid question - but it HAS been verified that the uniform Urban is wearing in that leaked pic is actually the official Judges uniform of Dredd and others in the film right?????
It wouldn't be uniform if it was different
no I mean - it's definately not some riot judge uniform that dredd just dons, or some prototype judges uniform?? etc
No it hasn't been confirmed by anyone involved with the production, but I really wouldn't expect the other uniforms to differ from that template.
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 January, 2011, 12:01:31 PM
No it hasn't been confirmed by anyone involved with the production, but I really wouldn't expect the other uniforms to differ from that template.
I asked the lovely, helpfull Michael if Anderson would wear the same uniform that we've seen Dredd wearing in that picture and he said yes, a girly version. By which I think he means it will be more petite.
Correct.. that is the uniform. Andersons is indeed a more petit, and obviously female tailored, version thereof..
On another note, it's BLOODY hot in the workshop today..
Can't beat a summer in SA.
so...erm...when do we get that Anderson pic then lol
I'm sure something will be posted soon. It does all need to be spaced out. There's still over a year left before it hits the theatres.
A year, that's nothing, we need new stuff posted every hour of every day until the release date ;)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 January, 2011, 07:55:32 PM
I'm sure something will be posted soon. It does all need to be spaced out. There's still over a year left before it hits the theatres.
A
boob shot will do.
Yeeeaah.. Somehow I don't think so..
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 January, 2011, 08:11:10 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 January, 2011, 07:55:32 PM
I'm sure something will be posted soon. It does all need to be spaced out. There's still over a year left before it hits the theatres.
A boob shot will do.
We'll even take side-boob.
;)
The film will be what the film will be......lets be honest there will be more bitching after we see it :D
Well now.. Someone very interesting walked through the workshop. Ma-ma herself!
Cool!
Has [who ever plays her] shot any scenes yet, or do the Ma-Ma scenes start shooting today?
Also, do you know when we might get any actual confirmation on when we might get actual confirmation on when the mystery actress actually is the one we all seem to think?
Quote from: Michaelvk;572608Well now.. Someone very interesting walked through the workshop. Ma-ma herself!
It's Precious isn't it, from ' Come Fly with me',..she plays ma ma ! `We have water, we have coffee and we have fire, but we don't have our Anderson picture! Forum is now CLOSED'.
Quote from: norse_sage on 05 January, 2011, 10:33:32 AM
Cool!
Has [who ever plays her] shot any scenes yet, or do the Ma-Ma scenes start shooting today?
Also, do you know when we might get any actual confirmation on when we might get actual confirmation on when the mystery actress actually is the one we all seem to think?
Not yet. She came in today for a head cast. I know they're shooting on monday, as I've got quite few things to have finished by then..
Correction.. Heard on the radio she was in make-up at one stage today. So yes, she's up today.
As for when the announcement will be made, I don't know. I could find out though, but I'm a wee bit snowed under at the mo (ironic choice of phrase, as I'm taking a moment to make use of the aircon in the office..)..
Yep, I thought so. Watching J.J. Abrahms' Star Trek now and K.Urban is all Hugh Jackman could have been without being a hat-trick threat. You never know with these Hollywood types, tho, they'd probably love that sort of ...ooh Eric Bana!
Quote from: Krombasher on 05 January, 2011, 04:33:22 PM
...ooh Eric Bana!
The villain-shaped hole that lurks at the periphery of the movie, grimacing occasionally.
Are we saying this is a good thing?
Just to confirm.
Haven't posted here in a bit so hope these questions aren't redundant but ....
1# Do we know yet what year the Dredd Movie is set in?
2# Do we see the outside of the Grand Hall of Justice?
3# Are the other Mega-Cities metioned?
4# Is the origin of the judge System explained at all?
5# Is the fact Dredd is a clone included?
6# Does Anderson appear naked at any point? ;)
7# What other Judges feature?
8# Does the Lawmaster look the sh*t or a wobbly scooter like in the 95 version?
9# Do we see the Heatseeker in action?
10# Does Anderson appear naked at any point -at all :lol:
Cheers
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 06 January, 2011, 01:10:53 AM
3# Are the other Mega-Cities metioned?
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/12/megacityone1-570x320.jpg)
[spoiler]#6 and #10, according to the leaked script: yes. [/spoiler]
SBT
1# Do we know yet what year the Dredd Movie is set in? [spoiler] no, although the market set bears an uncanny resemblance to the Bull Ring Shopping Centre circa 1975 [/spoiler]
2# Do we see the outside of the Grand Hall of Justice? [spoiler]Unknown, but probably yes[/spoiler]
3# Are the other Mega-Cities metioned? [spoiler]not in the script[/spoiler]
4# Is the origin of the judge System explained at all? [spoiler]No, thank Grud [/spoiler]
5# Is the fact Dredd is a clone included? [spoiler]No, thank Grud.[/spoiler]
6# Does Anderson appear naked at any point? [spoiler]It's in the script, and Thirlby's done it before so probably yes.[/spoiler]
7# What other Judges feature? [spoiler]A female Chief Judge, Comm center staff, and a handful of Street Judges[/spoiler]
8# Does the Lawmaster look the sh*t or a wobbly scooter like in the 95 version? [spoiler]Unknown, but it has fat wheels, and guns.[/spoiler]
9# Do we see the Heatseeker in action? [spoiler]Unknown, but I don't think it's in the script, although the Lawgiver does have selectable ammo.[/spoiler]
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 06 January, 2011, 09:37:06 AM
[spoiler]#6 and #10, according to the leaked script: yes. [/spoiler]
SBT
[spoiler]In context, it's an hallucination though.[/spoiler]
I notice that this week's Damage Report (prog 1715) relates to this topic. I was going to link to "Straight from the Thrillpipe" but it hasn't been updated for a while. Tut.
"For the first time in recorded history Cyber-Matt, PYE-01, Robo-K33F and R1F4 get to abuse their position and manage to grab a sneak peak at some exclusive images from the upcoming Dredd movie courtesy of King-Slay 01. We're all in agreement that the Judge's uniforms are Utterly zarjaz, Anderson kicks arse and that we need an Umpty Candy vending machine in the office."
Come on fellas, be nice, share.
Why were the answers to my innocous questions blanked out -even the silly ones!?
Censorship gone mad ! :o
Spoiler tagged, for those who havent read the script and dont want to know anything about it before they take their seat.
Some people are funny that way. Not me though. I dont care that Dredd's now the grandson of judge forsyth and judge hill, or that he removes his helmet in act one and the rest of the film hides his face using a series of austin powers knob-covering style visual gags.
SBT
Very Good :lol:
Interestingly, (and this is probably the thread for this), a girl at my main base was talking about karl urban the other day, and how much she fancied him. Dredd came up in the conversation, and she said 'but he's only doing the voice for that'. Her boyfriend had told her what it was and that his face wouldnt be shown, and she'd somehow misinterpreted it as being a cgi cartoon, 'as it's from a comic'.
I explained that no, it's a proper film, but that he just wouldnt take his helmet off, and why ('faceless justice', etc). Her response: 'that's stupid. Why employ a gorgeous man like urban if you dont show his face. That's what we go to look at.'
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 06 January, 2011, 09:43:16 PM
Spoiler tagged, for those who havent read the script and dont want to know anything about it before they take their seat.
Some people are funny that way. Not me though. I dont care that Dredd's now the grandson of judge forsyth and judge hill, or that he removes his helmet in act one and the rest of the film hides his face using a series of austin powers knob-covering style visual gags.
SBT
I havent read the script yet so thanks for giving it away.
Is it too much too ask for you to use spoilers next time ?
:D
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 06 January, 2011, 09:57:34 PM
Interestingly, (and this is probably the thread for this), a girl at my main base was talking about karl urban the other day, and how much she fancied him. Dredd came up in the conversation, and she said 'but he's only doing the voice for that'. Her boyfriend had told her what it was and that his face wouldnt be shown, and she'd somehow misinterpreted it as being a cgi cartoon, 'as it's from a comic'.
I explained that no, it's a proper film, but that he just wouldnt take his helmet off, and why ('faceless justice', etc). Her response: 'that's stupid. Why employ a gorgeous man like urban if you dont show his face. That's what we go to look at.'
SBT
And that's why women bring such great cultural contributions are Heat Megazine, Hello and OK
The Prosection rests your Honour
Slightly off topic.. I've been relieved of my work station today, because it's annoyingly being used for data wrangling on a different project. Not a huge deal for me, because I'm in the workshop fabricating cool stuff ,which doesn't require using an 8 core mac. What it does mean, however, is that I won't be able to keep you guys as clued in as often. I'll definitely try to up the quality over the quantity for the next while. I can still access the net on my phone, so it's at least something.
Feel free to keep asking me stuff, but just remember the rules; no spoilers or unauthorized pics..
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 06 January, 2011, 09:57:34 PM
Her response: 'that's stupid. Why employ a gorgeous man like urban if you dont show his face. That's what we go to look at.'
Who says women are shallow. ::)
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Quote from: vzzbux on 07 January, 2011, 12:06:17 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 06 January, 2011, 09:57:34 PM
Her response: 'that's stupid. Why employ a gorgeous man like urban if you dont show his face. That's what we go to look at.'
Who says women are shallow. ::)
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Lonely men.
GOD DAM YOU ALL TO HELL , where,s an ANDERSON pic
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 07 January, 2011, 01:46:00 AM
GOD DAM YOU ALL TO HELL , where,s an ANDERSON pic
Try 2000ad, they have many. :D
Here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/34xrolg
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 07 January, 2011, 04:00:07 PM
Here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/34xrolg
Lets hope that does the trick for the time being........
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqdzALdIsCatIHtpYhJATAaIOgbhOrsNQiaN9ISGe175QFNWa4-A)
It's no good trying your football jokes round here pal. We're all nerds with no interest in sport of any kind.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 07 January, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqdzALdIsCatIHtpYhJATAaIOgbhOrsNQiaN9ISGe175QFNWa4-A)
We discussed this earlier...
Quote from: Lee Bates on 07 January, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
It's no good trying your football jokes round here pal. We're all nerds with no interest in sport of any kind.
Who's the dude with the white floating orb?
Will this one do.
(http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/anderson-arms-415x313.jpg)
Bye Bye Ponting.
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This thread has truly reached it's nadir.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 07 January, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
It's no good trying your football jokes round here pal. We're all nerds with no interest in sport of any kind.
And yet you got the joke!
And how dare you all assume I have an interest in Football! I only watch Sumo Wrestling and occasionally women's basketball..
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 January, 2011, 11:05:01 PM
This thread has truly reached it's nadir.
I am sure we are no where near the bottom of the barrel yet.
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(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/mubhceeb/30_nadir-415.jpg)
Now it's reached its Nadir!
Now who says politics is boring!
Choose your illusion.
(http://www.xianet.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/pamela_anderson_naked.jpg)
(http://republiquecricket.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/nakedcricket.jpg)
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Finally - Anderson naked!
http://tinyurl.com/23bfqx6
This threads becoming too silly! :D
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 08 January, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
This threads becoming too silly! :D
Yeah Tharg - this thread is really bringing down the tone of your website now. But it could get
so much worse. You know what you have to do to stop it.
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 08 January, 2011, 03:05:12 AM
Finally - Anderson naked!
http://tinyurl.com/23bfqx6
I clicked on that.
Now I have a wave of shame hitting me. :-[
Quote from: Lee Bates on 07 January, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
It's no good trying your football jokes round here pal. We're all nerds with no interest in sport of any kind.
Speak for yourself..I'm a season ticket holder at City..you don't have to be nerdy to love 2000ad ;-)
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 08 January, 2011, 03:05:12 AM
Finally - Anderson naked!
http://tinyurl.com/23bfqx6
Why is her vagina Pac-Man?
Quote from: doggettX on 08 January, 2011, 02:03:05 PM
I clicked on that.
Now I have a wave of shame hitting me. :-[
Ew.
Quote from: Christov on 08 January, 2011, 07:06:46 PM
Why is her vagina Pac-Man?
Possibly the artist has only seen lady-bits on his computer screen. I'm also not entirely convinced that Justice Department should be funding regular waxing treatments. A judge should be clean and upright, no more - it's not a beauty contest, and it's certainly not a smoothest baby contest.
Quote from: TordelBack on 08 January, 2011, 07:44:59 PM
Quote from: Christov on 08 January, 2011, 07:06:46 PM
Why is her vagina Pac-Man?
Possibly the artist has only seen lady-bits on his computer screen. I'm also not entirely convinced that Justice Department should be funding regular waxing treatments. A judge should be clean and upright, no more - it's not a beauty contest, and it's certainly not a smoothest baby contest.
Which would you say was more appropriate for a Judge? Anderson's 'full monty' wax or the Justice eagle design we saw on the naked female Judge in 'The Skinning Room'?
I'd like to imagine that Dredd spends a few minutes every day maintaining eagle shaped pubes. Perhaps we'll see it in the film...
Quote from: doggettX on 08 January, 2011, 02:03:05 PM
I clicked on that.
Now I have a wave of shame hitting me. :-[
When you say "shame"...
Getting back to the topic at hand..
Jings!
Christ on a bike that's coo-ell!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 January, 2011, 10:58:20 PM
Christ on a bike that's coo-ell!
whits that an ice cube noo thats cool :lol:
QuoteGetting back to the topic at hand..
Heh, quality.
i remeber them :lol:
Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 08 January, 2011, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 07 January, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
It's no good trying your football jokes round here pal. We're all nerds with no interest in sport of any kind.
Speak for yourself..I'm a season ticket holder at City..you don't have to be nerdy to love 2000ad ;-)
Good to see a fellow Citizen on the forum!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 08 January, 2011, 10:23:17 PM
Getting back to the topic at hand..
Looks great! Is that photo set inside the Ma Ma Block [or some name like that] or is it a general street scene? Reminds me of the ghastly Housing Blocks in docu/gangster flick
Gomorrah.
Some very easily pleased posts on here -over some concrete with some grafitti on it??
Do these guys still stare in amazement when their fridge light comes on -I wonder.
So far seen NOTHING of quality in terms of production.I sincerely hope to eat these words in the near future, but with info at the near zero level :-X I may have a very long wait.I just hope the end product bears no resemblence to what has been shown so far.All the above comes from a lifelong fan (Prog Oner), so hope the powers that be are listening....
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 09 January, 2011, 09:26:38 PM
Some very easily pleased posts on here -over some concrete with some Kenny Who? grafitti on it??
FTFY. Indicates that the set dressing has its heart in the right place.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 09 January, 2011, 09:26:38 PM
Some very easily pleased posts on here -over some concrete with some grafitti on it??
Do these guys still stare in amazement when their fridge light comes on -I wonder.
So far seen NOTHING of quality in terms of production.I sincerely hope to eat these words in the near future, but with info at the near zero level :-X I may have a very long wait.I just hope the end product bears no resemblence to what has been shown so far.All the above comes from a lifelong fan (Prog Oner), so hope the powers that be are listening....
I'm glad you're liking our work. Amazing how you can decide it's got no production value from the 12 or so images out there. I've seen the sets, the costumes, the cast, the crew.. I've designed and built all manner of props. Trust me when I say you've seen nothing yet. There are a lot of people working very hard to make this the best movie they can.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 09 January, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 08 January, 2011, 10:23:17 PM
Getting back to the topic at hand..
Looks great! Is that photo set inside the Ma Ma Block [or some name like that] or is it a general street scene? Reminds me of the ghastly Housing Blocks in docu/gangster flick Gomorrah.
That is indeed a tiny slice of Peach trees..
Quote from: Bhuna on 09 January, 2011, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 08 January, 2011, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 07 January, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
It's no good trying your football jokes round here pal. We're all nerds with no interest in sport of any kind.
Speak for yourself..I'm a season ticket holder at City..you don't have to be nerdy to love 2000ad ;-)
Good to see a fellow Citizen on the forum!
We obviously have great taste ;-)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 09 January, 2011, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 09 January, 2011, 09:26:38 PM
Some very easily pleased posts on here -over some concrete with some grafitti on it??
Do these guys still stare in amazement when their fridge light comes on -I wonder.
So far seen NOTHING of quality in terms of production.I sincerely hope to eat these words in the near future, but with info at the near zero level :-X I may have a very long wait.I just hope the end product bears no resemblence to what has been shown so far.All the above comes from a lifelong fan (Prog Oner), so hope the powers that be are listening....
I'm glad you're liking our work. Amazing how you can decide it's got no production value from the 12 or so images out there. I've seen the sets, the costumes, the cast, the crew.. I've designed and built all manner of props. Trust me when I say you've seen nothing yet. There are a lot of people working very hard to make this the best movie they can.
From what I've seen so far I've got high hope for the movie. I for one really appreciate all the updates on the production and your hard work!
Keep it up dude-ignore the haters! :)
Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 09 January, 2011, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Bhuna on 09 January, 2011, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 08 January, 2011, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 07 January, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
It's no good trying your football jokes round here pal. We're all nerds with no interest in sport of any kind.
Speak for yourself..I'm a season ticket holder at City..you don't have to be nerdy to love 2000ad ;-)
Good to see a fellow Citizen on the forum!
We obviously have great taste ;-)
I'm a City fan too- albeit a different 'City' altogether.
And I know for a fact that there are other footie fans on this forum too- if we stand together, we can truly fight the mindless stereotyping of fitba fans by these long-haired, continuity-obsessed, heavy-metal T-shirt wearing, Dr Who obsessed, sad, virgin fanboys.
;)
Quote from: TordelBack on 09 January, 2011, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 09 January, 2011, 09:26:38 PM
Some very easily pleased posts on here -over some concrete with some Kenny Who? grafitti on it??
FTFY. Indicates that the set dressing has its heart in the right place.
Mm. It speaks volumes, really, in that if the production team gets the details right and in-keeping with the comic, perhaps the general feel of the movie will be too. And, to my mind, that's the most important thing to get right. You can mess with the backstory, the setting and the look, but get the feel right and you have a winner. (Hellboy was a pretty good example of this, especially with the second movie.)
I've been hopeful about this movie from the beginning. And then you have updates from John Wagner about how the uniform was updated since he saw a version of it, to become more like the comic. They're flying him out to SA to see some filming and have taken on board advice from him. Compare that to 1995, where he got a tiny credit at the end of the film and that was about it.
Michael when I see a single piece of high quality, high spec ,well crafted piece of ANYTHING I will duly doft my cap and sing praise from the rooftops, but as I say, what has been shown (so far) has been the complete opposite.I hope what comes forward in the future ,as you say will reverse my opinion.
Getting the detail right is common sense (although not seen in all films admittedly) and will help the feel of the movie indeed, but overall production values must be at the high end for it to work at all ,esp in sci-fi.Hellboy, as an example had terrific production work which could be seen from the outset.
Granting the mighty John Wagner consultant status is basic common courtesy and should have happened without question in 95, and undoubtedly I'm sure this will help the film enormously.
As for someone annoyingly posting that I'm a 'hater' for voicing an opinion -get a grip -honest and open debate is how ideas are exchanged so chill :)
What would be good is if folks waited until after they've actually seen the film before utterly disparaging it.
Ummm, I was under the impression, though I know little about Dredd, that his chin was supposed to be something that Zues himself would envy. Karl Urban doesn't seem to have that feature going for him.
I hope this movie is good.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 January, 2011, 02:35:54 AM
Ummm, I was under the impression, though I know little about Dredd, that his chin was supposed to be something that Zues himself would envy. Karl Urban doesn't seem to have that feature going for him.
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3863/urbanfo.jpg)
Is that okay for you MR. ELIMINATOR, as I think you will find that that chin is spot on.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 10 January, 2011, 02:50:16 AM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 January, 2011, 02:35:54 AM
Ummm, I was under the impression, though I know little about Dredd, that his chin was supposed to be something that Zues himself would envy. Karl Urban doesn't seem to have that feature going for him.
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3863/urbanfo.jpg)
Is that okay for you MR. ELIMINATOR, as I think you will find that that chin is spot on.
Hahaha, nice! Well, as long as he can pull that face for the whole movie, then I don't think I'll have a problem with it.
To those who think everything looks crap:
You have no idea the transformation that happens to stage props between sitting in a carpark in broad daylight VS staged under a cinematographers mood lighting + smoke/fog effects + extras in costume milling around + sound & atmos effects + CGI as needed to round out details.
But hey - the Stallone film had really futuristic vehicle designs didn't it?
And look how well that went down.
For all we know the vehicles we've seen are minor background details or even part of a flashback / memory / dream / who knows?
The fact that a Dredd film is even being given another shot should be encouraged in itself.
But yes - Urbans chin did concern me when I first heard about the casting!
My vote was for Ron Perlman.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 09 January, 2011, 09:26:38 PM
Some very easily pleased posts on here -over some concrete with some grafitti on it??
Do these guys still stare in amazement when their fridge light comes on -I wonder.
So far seen NOTHING of quality in terms of production.I sincerely hope to eat these words in the near future, but with info at the near zero level :-X I may have a very long wait.I just hope the end product bears no resemblence to what has been shown so far.All the above comes from a lifelong fan (Prog Oner), so hope the powers that be are listening....
Essentially what you're saying there is that you can't understand for the life of you why anyone could develop a positive opinion based on the tiny details that have been shown, while you quite clearly know it's not going to look the way you want it based on the exact same tiny details. I also think it'd be nice to imagine the powers that be listening, I just hope they know how to filter out the less rational voices.
"Haters"?
So lovely to see the excesses of dr who fandom terminology making an an inroad on the board! Next we'll see 'negativity', 'straw man', 'mary sue figures' and moderators banning people for 'going off topic'. YIKES!
SBT
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 10 January, 2011, 12:48:27 AMbut overall production values must be at the high end for it to work at all ,esp in sci-fi.Hellboy, as an example had terrific production work which could be seen from the outset.
Well, not really. When Hellboy was being made, you'd see the odd snatch of a prop and people were still moaning about how awful the entire thing was going to be (bar the lead, obv.)
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 10 January, 2011, 07:07:31 AMBut yes - Urbans chin did concern me when I first heard about the casting! My vote was for Ron Perlman.
Nah. Too old and too uninterested in doing those kinds of films (making it increasingly unlikely that we'll ever see a wrap-up for the Hellboy film series).
#Keef Monkey -Your answer is basically 2+2=5. :-Re-read my post, look up the word 'rational', then post a logical reply.Many thanks
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 09 January, 2011, 09:26:38 PM
Some very easily pleased posts on here -over some concrete with some grafitti on it??
Do these guys still stare in amazement when their fridge light comes on -I wonder.
So far seen NOTHING of quality in terms of production.I sincerely hope to eat these words in the near future, but with info at the near zero level :-X I may have a very long wait.I just hope the end product bears no resemblence to what has been shown so far.All the above comes from a lifelong fan (Prog Oner), so hope the powers that be are listening....
Kind of more disappointed from your comment than the pictures. When objects are shot under the cold harsh light of day, things are going to look unmovie like. Throw in some camera perspectives, lighting, smoke, cgi, SFX then things will look more movie like.
I guarantee when you look at Robocops movie suit in the real light, I'm sure it will look plastic and unreal.
I do agree that the pictures are underwhelming but that is with reason as stated above, at least I will judge it as a finished product rather than judge it now.
The graffiti remark is uncalled for as well, I like the fact the "Kenny Who" tag is thrown in there to please the fans, I am pleased with the film makers inclusion of this and many more unseen tags. My approval of the graffiti tags does not infer that a fridge light hold as much fascination for me or others. That's being sarcastic and ignorant. It's a nice nod to fans even though the likelihood of it being shown in the movie is remote. It does suggest that the film makers are taking the project very seriously and want to build as much atmosphere as possible, the easy route may have been generic tags and rubbish.
I didn't see any graffiti or funny/quirky shop fronts in the 95 movie, I do believe we'll have a Comic Dredd atmosphere to this movie without alienating the non-fans.
I'm taking the "John, Carlos and Jock" stamp of approval for this movie and the I really think the "die hard Prog 1'ers" should stand behind their approval.
Just think of the hours of fun we will have pausing each frame on our Redray, 4D, smellyvision players trying to pick out all the graffiti, I can't wait :D
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 10 January, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
#Keef Monkey -Your answer is basically 2+2=5. :-Re-read my post, look up the word 'rational', then post a logical reply.Many thanks
Gave it a re-read as requested and after reflection my response is (and I promise not to use the word 'rational'):
Basically what you've done there is insult people for getting excited about something on the basis that we haven't seen enough detail of it yet, while also saying it looks like it's going to be crap based on the exact same non-evidence. I would say there's a lack of good sense in there, making your comments come across as somewhat
irrational.
Sorry!
Quote from: SneakeeX on 10 January, 2011, 03:29:20 PM
My approval of the graffiti tags does not infer that a fridge light hold as much fascination for me or others.
I dunno man, I think fridge lights are pretty cool. I mean, how do we know the light doesn't
go back on once you close the door? And don't think putting a camera in there would prove it either way, you can do
anything with CGI these days.
I've got to say we had an epic day of shooting.
Quote from: TordelBack on 10 January, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 10 January, 2011, 03:29:20 PM
My approval of the graffiti tags does not infer that a fridge light hold as much fascination for me or others.
I dunno man, I think fridge lights are pretty cool. I mean, how do we know the light doesn't go back on once you close the door? And don't think putting a camera in there would prove it either way, you can do anything with CGI these days.
I'm with you, TordelBack! For all we know, the contents of the fridge are like the toys in
Toy Story, coming to life and having fun without us. Though I don't think I'm ready to see a movie called
Fridge Story just yet. Or even
Fridge Dredd.
- Mike
Took on board some of the comments made -went out and got an old banger to test the theory...- added smoke, special lighting, some interesting camera angles and threw in some cgi just for good measure..still looked like an old banger -how strange and disappointing.. :-*
Still I'm staying optimistic and happy clappy,maybe adding some titles and sound effects will do the trick.I'll wait for the final product before thinking anything remotely critical, even though I have an odd feeling it will be too late to change anything by then...-doh!
Quote from: TordelBack on 10 January, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 10 January, 2011, 03:29:20 PM
My approval of the graffiti tags does not infer that a fridge light hold as much fascination for me or others.
I dunno man, I think fridge lights are pretty cool.
Indeed. Reminds me of a joke I heard in 'An Audience with Bob Monkhouse*' concerning luminous comdoms, dark lit rooms and peeping Toms...
*Don't let his orange skin and daytime quiz host cheesy personal fool you. He was really funny doing stand up...
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 05:20:19 PM
I've got to say we had an epic day of shooting.
Cool. Any details you're at liberty to divulge?
Vague or cryptic answers will do if you can't be specific!
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 10 January, 2011, 10:19:45 AM
"Haters"?
So lovely to see the excesses of dr who fandom terminology making an an inroad on the board! Next we'll see 'negativity', 'straw man', 'mary sue figures' and moderators banning people for 'going off topic'. YIKES!
SBT
I thought "Haters" was common tinternet parlance just as "Jumping The Shark" I didn't realise it had any particular association with Dr Who?
If so, then my bad(wolf).
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 09 January, 2011, 09:26:38 PM
So far seen NOTHING of quality in terms of production.
***
Michael when I see a single piece of high quality, high spec ,well crafted piece of ANYTHING
there's some ugly scratches on that helmet I suppose... ;)
Quote from: Lee Bates on 10 January, 2011, 06:06:02 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 05:20:19 PM
I've got to say we had an epic day of shooting.
Cool. Any details you're at liberty to divulge?
Vague or cryptic answers will do if you can't be specific!
You know everyone's favorite machine gun? We were operating three on some serious steroids that we built, mostly over the xmas break. Seeing them lit properly in the right environment on camera was worth the sacrifice.
Quotewent out and got an old banger to test the theory...- added smoke, special lighting, some interesting camera angles and threw in some cgi just for good measure..still looked like an old banger -how strange and disappointing..
Do you? Did you
really?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 05:20:19 PM
I've got to say we had an epic day of shooting.
At first I thought that said an epic day of
shoutingSounds like a fun day
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 05:20:19 PM
I've got to say we had an epic day of shooting.
By "Epic", do you mean you've been shooting with
RED'S new
EPIC 5K CAMERA?
(http://www.red.com/images/products/epic/epic-main.png)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 07:06:51 PM
You know everyone's favorite machine gun? We were operating three on some serious steroids that we built, mostly over the xmas break. Seeing them lit properly in the right environment on camera was worth the sacrifice.
I take it the Lawgiver was delivering justice?! Nice looking camera
Joe Soap.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 10 January, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
Quotewent out and got an old banger to test the theory...- added smoke, special lighting, some interesting camera angles and threw in some cgi just for good measure..still looked like an old banger -how strange and disappointing..
Do you? Did you really?
Yes ,straight after I had dismounted my magical flying dragon and put it back in it's stable. :lol:
Nope.. Not the lawgiver.. These are something way meaner! While that's a nice bit of kit, I actually meant bloody good day with top results, great looking weapons that performed like it says on the tin and overall great vibes on set. It's pretty cool when you get days when everything goes mostly according to plan (we did have a bit of a breakage on one, but thankfully it was able to be framed out.). It was a bit toasty up on the top floor of a 3 story set, but it is Africa after all.. Of course the array of halogen lights might have attributed to that..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 09:40:52 PM
Nope.. Not the lawgiver.. These are something way meaner! While that's a nice bit of kit, I actually meant bloody good day with top results, great looking weapons that performed like it says on the tin and overall great vibes on set. It's pretty cool when you get days when everything goes mostly according to plan (we did have a bit of a breakage on one, but thankfully it was able to be framed out.). It was a bit toasty up on the top floor of a 3 story set, but it is Africa after all.. Of course the array of halogen lights might have attributed to that..
Is it bike cannons a blasting the perps with righteous justice?
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 10 January, 2011, 09:45:04 PM
Is it bike cannons a blasting the perps with righteous justice?
On the third floor of a buliding?
Can't see it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 January, 2011, 09:47:21 PM
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 10 January, 2011, 09:45:04 PM
Is it bike cannons a blasting the perps with righteous justice?
On the third floor of a buliding?
Can't see it.
:-[ me bad. Maybe there was a big lift... ::)
Only if the bike flies...
I kid, I kid...
This is gonna be bad,I can smell it,uniform and casting all wrong,budget too small to even begin getting mega-city onscreen,waited 25 years and looks like still gonna be waiting for the definitive dredd.
So first post huh?
Back behind the cordon meathead.
Quote from: mav on 10 January, 2011, 10:04:37 PM
This is gonna be bad,I can smell it,uniform and casting all wrong,budget too small to even begin getting mega-city onscreen,waited 25 years and looks like still gonna be waiting for the definitive dredd.
Tit.
There is a lot of shit being shoveled on this thread isn't there? I can't believe people are whining about the 4 or 5 pictures that we've seen so far. To me, it looks great.
Chill out, wait, watch the film. THEN and ONLY THEN have an opinion about the quality.
There is no definite Dredd.. Even all the artists that illustrated Dredd didn't have the same take on him.
Steve.. Ka Thwap!
The scene we're on is really cool and I can't wait to see it. Not just because the the crew and I worked a lot of late nights on these things (and we're very proud of them), but because it's right up there with 'that' scene in Predator. It's one of those scenes that make you go: "whoa!" and rewind to watch it again..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 10:21:05 PM
but because it's right up there with 'that' scene in Predator. It's one of those scenes that make you go: "whoa!" and rewind to watch it again..
You mean the one where Billl Duke breaks a
BiC disposable on his face?
(http://img.listal.com/image/863293/600full-bill-duke.jpg)
Is it the scene when the fella loses his arm ?
Quote from: doggettX on 10 January, 2011, 10:41:59 PM
Is it the scene when the fella loses his arm ?
I was thinking of the first scene where the big cowboy gets blasted. We see the three dots, then SHOOM! (or whatever sound a plasma blast makes), and an early glimpse of the creature with those wonderful (for the time) light bending effects.
Then the squad mow down half the jungle with their machine guns. (Or did that bit come later? Not I think it was then...)
I guess there are plenty of 'that scene's.* Not that I'm suggesting Michael narrows it down. I'd rather it not be spoiled.
*Predator is a pretty good film isn't it? Just a statement. I'm not trying to deviate the thread into another film discussion again... heh, heh.
anyone feel like perusing an old comic I made with some friends while they're waiting for the Anderson pic?
okay, I'll take that as a 'no'. ;)
Quote from: mav on 10 January, 2011, 10:04:37 PM
This is gonna be bad,I can smell it,uniform and casting all wrong,budget too small to even begin getting mega-city onscreen,waited 25 years and looks like still gonna be waiting for the definitive dredd.
Welcome to the site.
Some nice positive words there. You must have a keen nose there to deduce a flop from what has been shown to us so far. I may even change my view of the film to be on your post.
V
Still not too convinced about the Vehicles, the Ice Cream-Come-Medic-Van and the Landrover Discoverys way too "mad maxy" and ocp for my liking. I mean this is supposedly quite a few years in the future and Im sure that some kind of hover vehicle akin to Dredd's world would exist.
I dont want to see over the top impractical cgi for the sake of it vehicles just something which isnt looking like a cast off from the aforementioned films.
Too much too ask ?
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 11 January, 2011, 12:46:22 AMIm sure that some kind of hover vehicle akin to Dredd's world would exist.
What was that quote from Quantum Leap: "the cars are still on the ground, but the air really stinks" or something like that? We're no closer to flying cars now than when Henry Ford got his production lines going. I can't see it being a priority for the future either.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 10:21:05 PMIt's one of those scenes that make you go: "whoa!" and rewind to watch it again..
Man, that's really going to annoy people if they do it at the cinema.
...
...
*gets coat*
two words - Stub & Gun! trhats my guess (if so i have and idea what scene they were filming, it is gonna be epic)
no wonder we aint getting any official picture what with the two or three negative nancy's on this thread deriding everything thats released.
CU Radbacker
On the other hand there's
onlyQuote from: Radbacker on 11 January, 2011, 01:42:03 AM
two or three negative nancy's on this thread
I guess that's the trouble when you have such a positive thread. The odd negative comment really stands out.
I'll admit, I wasn't over keen on the look of the vehicles either but I'm aware I'm seeing them out of context, and yes there are plenty of ground vehicles in Dredd's world, even in the comics. (The street Judges' main transport for example!)
The glimpses of bits of buildings, graffiti and what we saw of the uniform looked really great. I'm definitely hopeful. Roll on more pictures!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 January, 2011, 10:21:05 PM
There is no definite Dredd.. Even all the artists that illustrated Dredd didn't have the same take on him.
Steve.. Ka Thwap!
The scene we're on is really cool and I can't wait to see it. Not just because the the crew and I worked a lot of late nights on these things (and we're very proud of them), but because it's right up there with 'that' scene in Predator. It's one of those scenes that make you go: "whoa!" and rewind to watch it again..
Spoiler!
Obviously [spoiler]if the scenes anything to do with the script some of us read its when the bad guys take out a whole floor with the mini-guns.[/spoiler]
You win a cookie!
Quote from: Mardroid on 11 January, 2011, 02:48:50 AM
I guess that's the trouble when you have such a positive thread. The odd negative comment really stands out.
I think it's more that he has nothing to base the quality of the film on yet since it hasn't been made, it's a bit of an irritant and it's a terrible first post from him. I don't think this is an overly optimistic thread at all, it's been a fairly
wait-and-see attitude so far.
did somebody mention revisions to the uniform?
No revisions have been made..
I've been watching the monitors and Ma-Ma's scaring the hell out me..
now ive read indigo's post proper i see what he meant. but its all good innit?
hope they let us see the full uniform soon as my fridge light just doesnt appeal as much since we got the ne one with built in water cooler!! i'm ignoring the nay sayers and trolls and am genuinly looking forward to this, and wait with baited breath for any new pic update etc and unlike those "fans" who come on and immedeatly slasag things off i can see the props etc in the cold light of day and use my imagination to put them in context as a filmed lit moody prop ,after all if you look at even ILM some of their stuff looks cheap and nasty like it was cobbled together from a load of airfix kits in the cold light of day ;)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 January, 2011, 09:47:44 AM
I've been watching the monitors and Ma-Ma's scaring the hell out me..
Sweet!
Can't wait till the rest of us see something more, and I really look forward to finding out who's been cast as Ma-Ma! If it is indeed Heady, I can easily see her as coming off as terrifying.
Quote from: mogzilla on 11 January, 2011, 10:00:48 AM
now ive read indigo's post proper i see what he meant. but its all good innit?
hope they let us see the full uniform soon as my fridge light just doesnt appeal as much since we got the ne one with built in water cooler!! i'm ignoring the nay sayers and trolls and am genuinly looking forward to this, and wait with baited breath for any new pic update etc and unlike those "fans" who come on and immedeatly slasag things off i can see the props etc in the cold light of day and use my imagination to put them in context as a filmed lit moody prop ,after all if you look at even ILM some of their stuff looks cheap and nasty like it was cobbled together from a load of airfix kits in the cold light of day ;)
Agreed! I went a few years ago to the Star Wars props/costumes exhibition in Edinburgh and they looked like cheap shite - it was real tawdry rubbish but on screen you would never be able to tell.
Wait a minute.... what's all this 'nay sayer' and 'negative nancy' stuff about?
I joined this online community because I became aware that another Dredd movie was in the pipeline. To be discounted as a nay sayer or a troll is a pile of shite. I don't think the 'negative' labelled members here are just trying to cause trouble and slag off this project. We are AS compassionate about this as any of you blind optimists! We don't want it f'ed up!
I'm sorry you might not like any opinion which may deviate from your own, but tough really. I'm happy there are at least two or three others which have doubts about this. I'm more than happy to change my opinion once the movie is out. In the mean time there hasn't been much, if anything at all which has made me go "wow this is going to be great"! That photo of some signs in a shop window a few pages back made me groan out loud. Some of you are less discerning and more easily pleased it appears. But each to their own...
I imagine as the stills come through and we eventually see some actual footage we'll all be able to make a more informed judgement of this. All will be revealed sooner or later...
Quote from: minus on 11 January, 2011, 10:22:18 AM
Wait a minute.... what's all this 'nay sayer' and 'negative nancy' stuff about?
I'm sorry you might not like any opinion which may deviate from your own, but tough really. I'm happy there are at least two or three others which have doubts about this. I'm more than happy to change my opinion once the movie is out. In the mean time there hasn't been much, if anything at all which has made me go "wow this is going to be great"! That photo of some signs in a shop window a few pages back made me groan out loud. Some of you are less discerning and more easily pleased it appears. But each to their own...
That's the problem. You've seen next to nothing yet but choose to condemn the entire film on the strength of a few poorly lit, out of context set shots.
I'm not overly optimistic, just optimistic that the people involved want to make a good film. It does nobody any good to start deciding that the film is doomed because it's got some cars in it.
Idiocy.
Quote from: minus on 11 January, 2011, 10:22:18 AM
I'm happy there are at least two or three others which have doubts about this. I'm more than happy to change my opinion once the movie is out. In the mean time there hasn't been much, if anything at all which has made me go "wow this is going to be great"! That photo of some signs in a shop window a few pages back made me groan out loud. Some of you are less discerning and more easily pleased it appears. But each to their own...
I imagine as the stills come through and we eventually see some actual footage we'll all be able to make a more informed judgement of this. All will be revealed sooner or later...
No, it is not those of us who are positive are easier pleased, I think it is simply that we are more experienced in what to expect at this stage of production.
That last paragraph of yours is the key.
The "negative nancies" have taken a look at the leaked pictures, and then walked into the usual trap of thinking what you get in leaked spyshots equals what you get on screen. This is false logic, and the entire reason for being negative is based on a faulty premise.
Leaked spyshots from the sets are in no way, shape or form fit to actually sell any movie.
No matter how good a movie will look on screen, such spyshots will always look like crap.
Even Hellboy II, which one the negative nancies referred to, would have looked like it was going to be utter garbage if it was judged by similar spyshots of the sets.
The best bulit sets, the most amazing visuals on screen, always and without expection look like cheap crap when seen in spyshots that aren't properly lit, staged, or colourtimed.
It is those three factor, more than anything else, that raises a cheap looking set to something mindblowing.
The visual look on the film can not be judged one way or another based on what we have seen so far. Those of us with some experience in these matters can say that the pictures we have seen leave the
potential for something that might look incredible on screen. That's really all.
At this stage, I certainly do not see what there is to be negative about.
Quote from: malkymac on 11 January, 2011, 10:21:54 AM
I went a few years ago to the Star Wars props/costumes exhibition in Edinburgh and they looked like cheap shite - it was real tawdry rubbish but on screen you would never be able to tell.
So true - I saw the SW props/models exhibition in London 4 years ago, and while as a drooling Lucasian fanboy I was thrilled to see these fragments of the True Cross, it was pretty shocking how much a lot of it looked like it was made from leftover Airfix kits and cotton buds (which it was) - even the enormous close-up model of the Executor from RotJ. The costumes were a lot more pro-looking, I felt. Any decent making-of book gives the same impression - the skill isn't in making something that looks good, it's in making something that looks good
on screen.
A good example of this is the Hadrian's Wall set for recent snooze-fest Arthur, which I was lucky enough to visit - it was absolutely incredible in the flesh, a full-size 1km long section of wall with working gates and flaming torches, a whole garrison town with beautifully finished interior woodwork, mosaics and frescoes, shops and stalls full of note-perfect produce. Just an amazing piece of work on a gigantic scale, and I can't imagine what it cost. On the big screen it looked like the product of a raid on the Spitting Image props department, the Xena village set and a lot of cut-price CGI (IMHO).
Well fair enough. I had a look at some stills of the workshop which the models of the original Alien were being constructed in. Although they were not well lit and were just candid shots, I could see a lot of love went into them. What I have seen here simply hasn't done it for me. I looked at the Minty site a while back and was impressed and excited by what I saw on the other hand. There is enough out there with this new Dredd film to give us an idea of the angle this is heading in. I don't like the interpretation and I don't think the the props or the sets or whatever appear to be that well made. It's as simple as that. It looks cheap. I think there is plenty to be worried about.
"Negative nancies"? "We're more experienced"? Fer fucks sakes, it's gallifreybase all over again! where are john blum, arnold blumberg and that really irritating female (i guess) mod, 'the fairy godmother', to slap people down for not keeping to the party line? Positivity, chaps! remember what uri gellar says, if we all think good thoughts, then it'll happen! this board needs needs an alastair campbell/ peter mandelson figure, obviously, otherwise people may start to voice unpopular opinions!
Saying 'it all looks crap' is as equally a valid position as 'it all looks splendid', and 'lets wait and see'. As for 'waiting til we see it before judging', well fine, but excuse me if i use my brain and my personal tastes to determine in advance whether something is likely to please me. I use it all the time in selecting which media to consume, and i didnt think it was so much of a problem.
Here's an idea: lets allow everybody to have whatever opinion they have, based upon the pre-publicity, and then only shoot them down if they prove to be 'wrong' and the movie is universally adored. Let's not do the dr who nerd thing of demanding everyone write 'in my opinion' alongside every post that contains any criticism, just to slow the heartrate of those who cant bear any dissenting voice.
As for some of 'us' being 'more experienced' at 'reading' early shots from film... Words fail me.
SBT
I think there's plenty to be optimistic about - simply the fact that Andrew Macdonald, Allon Reich and Alex Garland (who between them have made Trainspotting, Shallow Grave, Sunshine, 28 Days Later, The Last King of Scotland, Never Let Me Go and The Beach) are in charge of the project should instill confidence that this is in safe hands and the finished product will be, at the very worst, a competent movie.
As for the budget, frankly I think a property like Dredd is far more suited to being a scrappy, modestly budgeted indie film than a big budget blockbuster - that's what we got last time and it was awful. I want a District 9, not a Iron Man 2.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 January, 2011, 11:04:25 AM
Saying 'it all looks crap' is as equally a valid position as 'it all looks splendid', and 'lets wait and see'. As for 'waiting til we see it before judging', well fine, but excuse me if i use my brain and my personal tastes to determine in advance whether something is likely to please me. I use it all the time in selecting which media to consume, and i didnt think it was so much of a problem.
Do you also barge into the kitchen at restaurants and start sampling uncooked food before loudly proclaiming that it's going to taste horrible and it won't be to your tastes?
I'm joking. Sort of.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 January, 2011, 11:04:25 AM
Saying 'it all looks crap' is as equally a valid position as 'it all looks splendid', and 'lets wait and see'.
True enough, but surely this novel 'freedom of speech' idea of yours also extends to allowing folk to call people negative ninnies for damning the entire production based on less than a dozen low-rez camera pics?
Self control, old tordlepoos, self control. Let's accept that some of us dont like what we're seeing, without resorting to playground names. As for 'freedom of speech', im reminded of the gallifreybase credo, repeated by the moderators everytime the subject comes up: 'there is no freedom of speech here, you all agree when you sign up to follow the rules set down by gallifreybase. You do as the moderators tell you and you do not discuss or mention their decisions or comments publicly.'
As for the kitchen metaphor; no. But if i ordered the veggie lagagna and saw the chef slitting a cow's throat and feeding it into a mincing machine, i would!
SBT
I'd like to second what SmallBlueThing just wrote a couple of posts ago.
No one knows if this film will be good or bad for tooth and the character. In the meantime all of us here, and doubtless many passes-by will come forward with their thoughts. It can't do the forum any good for multiple posters to all have their say against one poster's valid opinion. It's ugly and unnecessary.
On a lighter note, here's an hour long interview with the lovely Joe Vaz who's completed his work on the film. He talks about his other work mostly, so Dredd is only really mentioned in the first 3 or so minutes. WARNING: Sound levels are very high!
http://www.joevaz.com/archive/joe-vaz-talks-lost-boys-death-race-2-and-dredd-on-exclusive-wflm-radio-interview
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 January, 2011, 09:47:44 AM
No revisions have been made..
I've been watching the monitors and Ma-Ma's scaring the hell out me..
Hi Michael,
why the hush hush over the actress playing Ma-Ma, I thought by now she would have been revealed since her part is now currently being filmed?
I kind of don't understand that? I realise her part wasn't filled till the last minute. Is there something more to this? Or is it someone bigger than we realise and don't want to draw too much attention to the production?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 January, 2011, 11:31:43 AM
Self control, old tordlepoos, self control.
Oh
that. I didn't get where I am today by indulging in such philosophical niceties. Cautionary tale there, fellows.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 11 January, 2011, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 January, 2011, 09:47:44 AM
No revisions have been made..
I've been watching the monitors and Ma-Ma's scaring the hell out me..
Hi Michael,
why the hush hush over the actress playing Ma-Ma, I thought by now she would have been revealed since her part is now currently being filmed?
I kind of don't understand that? I realise her part wasn't filled till the last minute. Is there something more to this? Or is it someone bigger than we realise and don't want to draw too much attention to the production?
You could be right there seeing as they havent mentioned on IMDB.
I'd call it, but it's not my place to do so. I don't know why production isn't publicizing her name. I can hint though.. But as I've said in my chronicles, there are at least 300 reasons not to, as the repercussions could be grimm..
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 January, 2011, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: Mardroid on 11 January, 2011, 02:48:50 AM
I guess that's the trouble when you have such a positive thread. The odd negative comment really stands out.
I think it's more that he has nothing to base the quality of the film on yet since it hasn't been made, it's a bit of an irritant and it's a terrible first post from him.
I don't disagree, but then I wouldn't jump on someone making their first post either. He might have expressed his opinion better, but he's entitled to it.
QuoteI don't think this is an overly optimistic thread at all, it's been a fairly wait-and-see attitude so far.
I see a 'wait-and-see' attitude as positive.
Lena Headey was great in Brothers Grimm
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 January, 2011, 02:42:14 PM
I'd call it, but it's not my place to do so. I don't know why production isn't publicizing her name. I can hint though.. But as I've said in my chronicles, there are at least 300 reasons not to, as the repercussions could be grimm.
Thank you.
I really, really dig that casting. Ever since we first got hints it might be her, I was hoping it would be. She is great in everything she is in, and I can see her make Ma-Ma utterly terrifying and totally believable as a cunning, clever and ruthless gang leader.
Lena Heady?
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 11 January, 2011, 02:54:16 PM
Lena Heady?
Careful now, michaelvk never said that. After all, he could be terminated.
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 11 January, 2011, 02:54:16 PM
Lena Heady?
Lena Headey is good. I haven't seen her in a lot of those films, I mainly associate her with the
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.* although I saw her in 300. (A lot of Terminator fans were critical when she started due to someone else taking the role portrayed so well by Linda Hamilton, but she really owned that role in the end.)
I was kinda expecting they would pick someone more... odd looking though.(Not to be unkind to such actor/actresses, but I'm sure you know what I mean.) For some reason I have Mama down in my head as a grotesque character, although I'm not sure where I got that from. Mind you prosthetics can go a long way, but a sexy femme fatal is no bad thing either.
*That reminds me. Another boxset or two I want to pick up at some point. I found the show a bit slow going but it was pretty good overall. It's a shame it wasn't continued.
Yeah, I imagined MaMa as a 'fatty' but sexy lady is also good (better).
She was shit hot in 300... Hope she's in tight leathers for Dredd... if indeed it is her we're talking about.
Oh and while the subject of 'it looks crap' is still fresh(ish).
I too was/am disapointed in the few pics we've seen regarding vehicles etc... (not the costume, I think that's great) but.. I'm still very excited about this film and am very much looking forward to official images released.
But, release them soon please!!
I still see Genesis P Orridge as a good manifestation of the Ma Ma character. Why bung on a load of make up when there are REAL scary freaks out there? I doubt he/she would have done it anyway. I'd prefer a transvestite playing this role, but hey, it's not my call who they cast!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/belkus/1391760544/in/pool-1006715@N22/
The city-blocks have 900 floors what more could you want?
A double-hint is good enough for me so I've put it on the movie news blog.
The block in the script has about 200 floors which is still taller than the current tallest building in the world the Khalifa Tower. Whether they've since make it bigger or smaller, who knows? (Well maybe Michael does!)
Lena Heady *yum yum* I approve though as been said before MaMa does conjure up a slightly fatter woman, still the notion that an attractive and distinctly bad ass femme fatale is always a winner in my book!
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 January, 2011, 03:05:43 PM
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 11 January, 2011, 02:54:16 PM
Lena Heady?
Careful now, michaelvk never said that. After all, he could be terminated.
More gags like this please. ^ :lol:
Still it would be nice if all these rumours could be
laid to rest ;)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 January, 2011, 03:59:22 PM
The city-blocks have 900 floors what more could you want?
There a place you don't want to live when the lift breaks down.
:| I see the Happy Clappy Brigade -now forever known as HCB (most notably those who have been on here since the dawn of time and with more posts than there are numbers in the known universe) are trying to bully others with a different view -lets see what we have so far -"irrational, negative nancies, haters ,inexperienced newbie"et al .Is this a forum or some commune where all dissent is quashed.
What we've seen so far looks very poor indeed, end of -make all the excuses you want-as for comparing looking at props from a film over 30 years old ..need I say more.I hope the film will be great, but HCB can kiss my ass if they think they can dominte others - Critical Thinkers Unite ;)(CTU)
Grud on a greenie ::)
As always, I sincerely hope that anyone that feels this way never encounters an actual bully.
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 January, 2011, 04:55:22 PM
As always, I sincerely hope that anyone that feels this way never encounters an actual bully.
Indeed. In fact, the thing that makes me
particularly angry about these moaning tossers who whinge about being "bullied" is that there's an ignore function on this forum.
You know what? When I was getting the
shit kicked out of me every single day for the first four
years I was at comprehensive, I'd have fucking
loved to have had a little button I could have clicked and never seen or heard from those bastards again. If you think you're being bullied by anything anyone says to you on an internet forum, you have
no fucking idea of the meaning of the word.
Tossers.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 January, 2011, 11:04:25 AM
"Negative nancies"? "We're more experienced"? Fer fucks sakes, it's gallifreybase all over again! where are john blum, arnold blumberg and that really irritating female (i guess) mod, 'the fairy godmother', to slap people down for not keeping to the party line? Positivity, chaps! remember what uri gellar says, if we all think good thoughts, then it'll happen! this board needs needs an alastair campbell/ peter mandelson figure, obviously, otherwise people may start to voice unpopular opinions!
Saying 'it all looks crap' is as equally a valid position as 'it all looks splendid', and 'lets wait and see'. As for 'waiting til we see it before judging', well fine, but excuse me if i use my brain and my personal tastes to determine in advance whether something is likely to please me. I use it all the time in selecting which media to consume, and i didnt think it was so much of a problem.
Here's an idea: lets allow everybody to have whatever opinion they have, based upon the pre-publicity, and then only shoot them down if they prove to be 'wrong' and the movie is universally adored. Let's not do the dr who nerd thing of demanding everyone write 'in my opinion' alongside every post that contains any criticism, just to slow the heartrate of those who cant bear any dissenting voice.
As for some of 'us' being 'more experienced' at 'reading' early shots from film... Words fail me.
SBT
Well said.
Quote from: minus on 11 January, 2011, 03:52:44 PM
I still see Genesis P Orridge as a good manifestation of the Ma Ma character. Why bung on a load of make up when there are REAL scary freaks out there? I doubt he/she would have done it anyway. I'd prefer a transvestite playing this role, but hey, it's not my call who they cast!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/belkus/1391760544/in/pool-1006715@N22/
My God :o :o :o
Thats what Genesis P Orridge has turned into ???
Unbelievable and i never even thought of doing an image search but he lived in Brighton in the late 80s and was up to all kinds of weirdness with the Temple Of Psychic Youth.He had a room in his flat that was devoted to occult ritual and the acting out of sexual fantasies that was totally black as in the walls floor and ceiling.He was still male at that point.
Right. Stop it. You're being silly. You've veered from film critique to ethics of board discussion. New people, SBT is an old board fogey. He's diplomatically explained things quite clearly. The people you think are having a go at you, are not. They are just whinging about whinging. Other than that I'm enjoying the overall discussion about the oncoming film.
Yours,
Discerning lurker,
Krombasher.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 11 January, 2011, 04:47:23 PM
:| I see the Happy Clappy Brigade -now forever known as HCB (most notably those who have been on here since the dawn of time and with more posts than there are numbers in the known universe) are trying to bully others with a different view -lets see what we have so far -"irrational, negative nancies, haters ,inexperienced newbie"et al .Is this a forum or some commune where all dissent is quashed.
What we've seen so far looks very poor indeed, end of -make all the excuses you want-as for comparing looking at props from a film over 30 years old ..need I say more.I hope the film will be great, but HCB can kiss my ass if they think they can dominte others - Critical Thinkers Unite ;)(CTU)
::) I'm a long time reader and newbie to the forum but at least can show a small bit of respect.
I understand it's your opinion, what you've seen hasn't impressed you, fine, be critical but not damn dismissive of the production when you've seen flip all.
People need to be constructive as well in their critique otherwise, you gotta be throwing in some positives. To me there are far more positives in this movie than negatives.
In fairness, the only minor gripe for me is like you the vehicles are out of place slightly, but they could be used in a context that Mega City One is not that much different to what it is now. That suits me, I'd buy that or if the production team inconspicuously place them into the film without detracting from the movie. Won't stop me going to it or slating the shit out of it!
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 11 January, 2011, 04:47:23 PM
What we've seen so far looks very poor indeed,
I think that's the key bit. We haven't seen much so far. (I'm not attacking you by saying that. Point is, from what we've seen it could go either way, although I'm hopeful.)
Just out of curiosity, (and not to poke at you in any way) does your opinion also encompass the first picture of the costume and the lawgiver photos?
Day done.. Get a day off tomorrow, which is nice, as it's been 9 in a row.. Ma-Ma looks farkin scary on camera.. She's really nice otherwise.. I also wondered about who'd they'd cast, and when this actress showed up it made perfect sense. This movie will hardly win any Oscars, but I going to enjoy seeing it, that's for sure! Usually when you finish a job you're so over it if you never see the thing again it's too soon. This one, however, is looking epic. And I'm not saying that as movie making folk, but as movie watching folk.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 January, 2011, 05:34:24 PM
Day done.. Get a day off tomorrow, which is nice, as it's been 9 in a row.. Ma-Ma looks farkin scary on camera.. She's really nice otherwise.. I also wondered about who'd they'd cast, and when this actress showed up it made perfect sense. This movie will hardly win any Oscars, but I going to enjoy seeing it, that's for sure! Usually when you finish a job you're so over it if you never see the thing again it's too soon. This one, however, is looking epic. And I'm not saying that as movie making folk, but as movie watching folk.
Always a pleasure reading your updates, keep them coming!
:)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 January, 2011, 05:34:24 PM
Day done.. Get a day off tomorrow, which is nice, as it's been 9 in a row.. Ma-Ma looks farkin scary on camera.. She's really nice otherwise.. I also wondered about who'd they'd cast, and when this actress showed up it made perfect sense. This movie will hardly win any Oscars, but I going to enjoy seeing it, that's for sure! Usually when you finish a job you're so over it if you never see the thing again it's too soon. This one, however, is looking epic. And I'm not saying that as movie making folk, but as movie watching folk.
It's nice to know that your excitement in your envolvement in the film is matched only by most of our's in seeing it!
Enjoy your day off Michael!
And if it is Lena Headey who's been cast as Ma Ma then that's cool with a capital K!
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/01/11/lena-headey-gets-chief-villain-role-in-judge-dredd-movie/
That was fast....just wonder where that came from??? ;)
Nice write up.
"Old bald fogey"? And what has my lack of hair got to do with anything? Not content with bullying people into liking stuff, now this forum has become hairist! WELL THAT'S IT I QUIT!!
;)
SBT
Think of it this way Steev, you could save a bundle on a Dredd helmet with judicious use of red and black marker pens and a pair of sunglasses :)
(and it wouldn't slip)
And what makes you think that's not how i spend my leisure time already, mr green?
This Lena actress, who's been mentioned- i dont know who she is, but is she of the same bodytype as in the script? Or has that bit been rewritten?
SBT
And can i just add, to all those who (like me) red this forum on the mobile internet- happy page 401 to this thread!
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 January, 2011, 06:14:36 PM
"Old bald fogey"? And what has my lack of hair got to do with anything? Not content with bullying people into liking stuff, now this forum has become hairist! WELL THAT'S IT I QUIT!!
All that reflected light in the eyes is making 'em grumpy.
[spoiler]I can say that cos my hair-do is going that way too. Come to think of it, I need a hair cut. Long and sparse are not a good combination.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 January, 2011, 06:27:39 PM
Think of it this way Steev, you could save a bundle on a Dredd helmet with judicious use of red and black marker pens and a pair of sunglasses :)
(and it wouldn't slip)
Funnily enough we were chatting about something similar today. Looking at my Best of Dredd book between takes, we were looking at the anatomy of some of the Dredd helmets. We came to the conclusion that if you wanted to replicate that look, you'd have to shave Karl's head and paint the helmet on.. The look in a lot of the comics is caricature.. There's no real way to get that look without heavy prosthetics. But then you might as well add words like BLAM, ZOK and KAPOWEE over the fight scenes like in those old Batman shows..
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 January, 2011, 06:35:16 PM
And what makes you think that's not how i spend my leisure time already, mr green?
This Lena actress, who's been mentioned- i dont know who she is, but is she of the same bodytype as in the script? Or has that bit been rewritten?
SBT
I'm not sure if there were re-writes, but it's more of a case of building an appearance out of a solid performance.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 January, 2011, 06:35:16 PM
And what makes you think that's not how i spend my leisure time already, mr green?
This Lena actress, who's been mentioned- i dont know who she is, but is she of the same bodytype as in the script? Or has that bit been rewritten?
SBT
She's Gerard Butler's missus in 300, so slim, athletic, younger than the description in the script. Can't remember how else she was described to be honest.
Also played Sarah Connor in the the TV Terminator series.
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 January, 2011, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 January, 2011, 06:35:16 PM
And what makes you think that's not how i spend my leisure time already, mr green?
This Lena actress, who's been mentioned- i dont know who she is, but is she of the same bodytype as in the script? Or has that bit been rewritten?
SBT
She's Gerard Butler's missus in 300, so slim, athletic, younger than the description in the script. Can't remember how else she was described to be honest.
Also played Sarah Connor in the the TV Terminator series.
She's gorgeous, and plays badass convincingly. I am happy.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 January, 2011, 06:51:04 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 January, 2011, 06:27:39 PM
Think of it this way Steev, you could save a bundle on a Dredd helmet with judicious use of red and black marker pens and a pair of sunglasses :)
(and it wouldn't slip)
Funnily enough we were chatting about something similar today. Looking at my Best of Dredd book between takes, we were looking at the anatomy of some of the Dredd helmets. We came to the conclusion that if you wanted to replicate that look, you'd have to shave Karl's head and paint the helmet on.. The look in a lot of the comics is caricature.. There's no real way to get that look without heavy prosthetics. But then you might as well add words like BLAM, ZOK and KAPOWEE over the fight scenes like in those old Batman shows..
As has been said (I think by yourself) it varies wildly, from bowling ball helmets by Early Ezquerra and Frazer Irving, to flared Samurai style Brendan McCarthy - and so has Dredd's face. The early Dredds had a pretty normal face, but he eventually mutated into the big-chinned guy we have these days.
Looking at the development, it seemed to start with the frown, then grew from that - obviously the 'wind will change and your face will stay like that' is true:)
I'm guessing it was just an easy way to differentiate Dredd from other judges where you couldn't see badges.
The Dredd helmet for Minty is about as tight as you can go, I wouldn't like to be wearing it and take a knock, as there's not much room in there... but visually I prefer it when the helmet is closer to that snugness to the one Karl's wearing in the still. But that's just my personal view, and obviously there's practicalities of it being functional and above all, safe.
The sound effect thing is something else, that's just a conceit that you can't have audio in a comic, or the shorthand that Dredd might say 'bootknife'.
Not really a fan of doing that in a movie, i.e. the panel frames of the Hulk, or like you say, Batman. They're just a bit redundant a lot of the time.
Designwise, I prefer costumes and props to stay closer to the source where possible - I think the Nolan 'realism' angle, while valid, can be a limiter on what aspects of the source the viewer will accept. But again, that's just my personal view.
Cheers,
steve
Any word on who might score the Soundtrack?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DLMbxIoKN3c/SNW6B_vedSI/AAAAAAAAKK0/hsCPqrFJWRI/s1600-h/lena_headey-27.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DLMbxIoKN3c/SNW6B_vedSI/AAAAAAAAKK0/hsCPqrFJWRI/s1600-h/lena_headey-27.jpg)
Hope they've decided against the full fat bodysuit... be a shame to cover her up!
(is there a way to link to images so they appear here with a wee bit of interweb magic instead of just linking to the page its originally from??)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DLMbxIoKN3c/SNW6B_vedSI/AAAAAAAAKK0/hsCPqrFJWRI/s1600/lena_headey-27.jpg)
Like this!
Right click the picture, click on properties (at the bottom) then copy the URL address.
Cheers... I'll give that a go!
(http://scifibloggers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lena_headey_1.jpg)
Ahh yes... got it now.....
And one for the underwear thread too!!
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 11 January, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DLMbxIoKN3c/SNW6B_vedSI/AAAAAAAAKK0/hsCPqrFJWRI/s1600/lena_headey-27.jpg)
YOWZA! Definitely not someone I pictured having the name ''MA-MA'' :lol:
Whats the tatoo on her arm? ;)
I'm sure that was the first thought of every border on viewing this photograph.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 11 January, 2011, 08:30:07 PM
Whats the tatoo on her arm? ;)
I'm sure that was the first thought of every border on viewing this photograph.
It says 'BUDDY 4EVER'
You are a very lucky man!
She's crazy about me you know*
*delusions I have had Vol.100,500,876
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 11 January, 2011, 08:30:07 PM
Whats the tatoo on her arm? ;)
I'm sure that was the first thought of every border on viewing this photograph.
What arm?
Quote from: Lee Bates on 11 January, 2011, 08:44:27 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 11 January, 2011, 08:30:07 PM
Whats the tatoo on her arm? ;)
I'm sure that was the first thought of every border on viewing this photograph.
What arm?
the one with the tattoo that clearly says Zarjazzer, I love you - Lena.*
*delusion 100,500,877
When the character Ma Ma was thrown in to the mix this story came to mind.
Anyone else?
(http://www.2000adonline.com/2000ad/media/index/progs/original/539.jpg)
V
I love that title! Hur, hur!
Thats what I had in mind too, vvzzbux !
Maybe they've decided that a fat middle aged chick isn't as threatening as a younger, slimer woman.
vzzbux,
ditto!
I knew I'd seen the top half of that face before! :)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/Wright-Headey.jpg)
Quote from: doggettX on 11 January, 2011, 10:09:31 PM
Thats what I had in mind too, vvzzbux !
Maybe they've decided that a fat middle aged chick isn't as threatening as a younger, slimer woman.
I'm scared of slimer women.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/06/slimerboobs.jpg)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 January, 2011, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 January, 2011, 04:55:22 PM
As always, I sincerely hope that anyone that feels this way never encounters an actual bully.
Indeed. In fact, the thing that makes me particularly angry about these moaning tossers who whinge about being "bullied" is that there's an ignore function on this forum.
You know what? When I was getting the shit kicked out of me every single day for the first four years I was at comprehensive, I'd have fucking loved to have had a little button I could have clicked and never seen or heard from those bastards again. If you think you're being bullied by anything anyone says to you on an internet forum, you have no fucking idea of the meaning of the word.
Tossers.
Sorry to hear of your experiences Jim but you know the context I was using the word in (the English language being far from perfect).As for using the ignore button, again that defeats the object of having a forum and hearing ALL views, good or bad, agree or disagree with.
PS isnt le tossers the band the Bee Gees used to be in :D
If all views are fair game then you'll have no objection to others criticising bad posts. Posts that come out sounding like a teenage whine cos they aren't making the Dredd film that they want.
Slimmer is what I meant and you know it.
:lol:
Quote from: doggettX on 11 January, 2011, 11:07:00 PM
Slimmer is what I meant and you know it.
:lol:
yeah rrriight.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 January, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
If all views are fair game then you'll have no objection to others criticising bad posts. Posts that come out sounding like a teenage whine cos they aren't making the Dredd film that they want.
Faster than a speeding Wingnut, I'm begining to think you live on here.By the way is that a recent photo of you :D
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 11 January, 2011, 11:10:56 PM
Faster than a speeding Wingnut, I'm begining to think you live on here.By the way is that a recent photo of you :D
Yeah, Goldilocks.
Quote from: vzzbux on 11 January, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
When the character Ma Ma was thrown in to the mix this story came to mind.
Anyone else?
(http://www.2000adonline.com/2000ad/media/index/progs/original/539.jpg)
V
SWEET ZOMBIE JEEBUS!
That's a WOMAN?! :o
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 11 January, 2011, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 11 January, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
When the character Ma Ma was thrown in to the mix this story came to mind.
Anyone else?
(http://www.2000adonline.com/2000ad/media/index/progs/original/539.jpg)
V
SWEET ZOMBIE JEEBUS!
That's a WOMAN?! :o
You do get women like that believe it or not and i know because i have seen them.
She looks like she hates men as well ;)
Or else its Biffa Bacons mum
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 11 January, 2011, 11:53:44 PMYou do get women like that believe it or not and i know because i have seen them.
For a second I thought that was going somewhere else.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 11 January, 2011, 08:15:08 PM
(http://scifibloggers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lena_headey_1.jpg)
Theres a lot more MamaMia!! than MaMa in there fer sure!! :o
Unless they reworked the character, I'm guessing they're going to ugly her up with prosthetics and makeup.
I'm sure you lot have seen this, but I have to post it:
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/movie-poster-mash-up/breakfast-cereals/2.jpg)
:lol:
I also pictured Ma-Ma as a BIG BRUISER for some reason, but I'm pretty sure the script never described her as being big or fat. I think it just describes her face a bit.
Quote from: wadew1 on 12 January, 2011, 02:02:19 AM
Unless they reworked the character, I'm guessing they're going to ugly her up with prosthetics and makeup.
I doubt if they'll do that. They need something for the dads after all.
You don't employ a stunningly attractive actress then cover her face with latex...or a latex like substance...it's just not on.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 12 January, 2011, 08:00:55 AM
Quote from: wadew1 on 12 January, 2011, 02:02:19 AM
Unless they reworked the character, I'm guessing they're going to ugly her up with prosthetics and makeup.
I doubt if they'll do that. They need something for the dads after all.
You don't employ a stunningly attractive actress then cover her face with latex...or a latex like substance...it's just not on.
Maybe just a facial scar? Haven't read the script but I get the impression that's all it calls for really, then the sex appeal would remain intact.
I thought Anderson was going to be all you people's cover girl ???
You lot are so fickle :P
Quote from: Teivion on 12 January, 2011, 09:12:06 AM
I thought Anderson was going to be all you people's cover girl ???
You lot are so fickle :P
There's room for more than one you know!
Noos gets around http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19042/lena-headey-becomes-a-ma-ma-for-dredd-
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 January, 2011, 09:49:42 AM
Noos gets around http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19042/lena-headey-becomes-a-ma-ma-for-dredd-
Yeah- let's try and start another one today!
I heard that Hugh Grant was going to be the Chief Judge.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 12 January, 2011, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 January, 2011, 09:49:42 AM
Noos gets around http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19042/lena-headey-becomes-a-ma-ma-for-dredd-
Yeah- let's try and start another one today!
I heard that Hugh Grant was going to be the Chief Judge.
I heard it was Bernard Cribbins.
You are both wrong, its Floella Benjamin as Chief Judge
Ha! Empire are reporting it too: http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=29869
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 January, 2011, 06:51:04 PM
you might as well add words like BLAM, ZOK and KAPOWEE over the fight scenes like in those old Batman shows..
We'll add them in Post.
Hope Michael doesn't get a slap for letting the cat out of the bag.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 12 January, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
Hope Michael doesn't get a slap for letting the cat out of the bag.
He didn't. We are just guessing.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 12 January, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
Hope Michael doesn't get a slap
He likes that sort of thing.
Whoa! We've all been moved along by the Justice Department to Film Discussion.
It's a Neo facist state after all! No I suspect our jabbering was taking up too much space on the Announcements board. Welcome fellow perps! :)
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 12 January, 2011, 01:09:04 PM
Whoa! We've all been moved along by the Justice Department to Film Discussion.
It's a Neo facist state after all! No I suspect our jabbering was taking up too much space on the Announcements board. Welcome fellow perps! :)
This way, you're all in the same place when the gas trucks arrive...
Quote from: wadew1 on 12 January, 2011, 04:51:27 AM
I also pictured Ma-Ma as a BIG BRUISER for some reason, but I'm pretty sure the script never described her as being big or fat. I think it just describes her face a bit.
At the very end, there's an indication of her build.
(Scene 146. The second to last line.)
Hero Concept Art's Facebook page has just added some photos from their office and the sound stages.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hero-Concept-Art/145191828835630
Michaelvk said nothing directly about her part in the new Dredd movie to me.
It's great to have an inside eye in the production and learn about the process.
Every titbit of news is good publicity for the movie, and I think is beginning to create good awareness of the project.
By the way, John Wagner is heading over to South Africa to join the filming on DNA's tab. Just some extracts from his facebook site.
John Wagner QuoteI'll be taking a break next week, though, to fly out to Cape Town courtesy of DNA to see some of the filming. Pity me in that baking sun. The sacrifices I make for you!
I asked if he could take a few authorised pictures on set as well if he can, hope he can!
QuoteThis will be the first time I've actually seen any filming. Being in 3D as well I'm particularly intrigued to see how it's all done. I'll definitely take some photos.
I'm just wondering what you think of Stan Lee's cameo's in the various Marvel movies, does it detract from the movie or is it a nice nod to the creator.
I not a huge fan of them, and take away from the movie.
Dropped John a question if he'll pull a "Stan Lee" in Dredd if he was given the opportunity. Be interested to see what he says on them.
I suspect it's unlikely that we'll get a Wagner cameo - things like that take a surprising amount of planning with work visas etc.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 12 January, 2011, 01:39:11 PM
I'm just wondering what you think of Stan Lee's cameo's in the various Marvel movies, does it detract from the movie or is it a nice nod to the creator.
I not a huge fan of them, and take away from the movie.
Dropped John a question if he'll pull a "Stan Lee" in Dredd if given the opportunity.
I always love seeing Stan in those films, but that's 'cos I love Stan, and he's a pop culture phenomenon / celebrity in his own right. Seeing Chris Claremont watering his lawn (or whatever it was) in X-Men 3 didn't have the same impact. The fun thing to do with Stan's cameos is imagine they're all the same character.
He could always be a face in the crowd, take no payment for it, then a work visa won't be required.
I kind of knew he wouldn't cameo in it, just wondering would he if he was asked to.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 12 January, 2011, 01:51:40 PM
He could always be a face in the crowd, take no payment for it, then a work visa won't be required.
I kind of knew he wouldn't cameo in it, just wondering would he if he was asked to.
It would be nice if we saw him in a kind of 'extra' capacity.
Anyway, [spoiler]he's mentioned it the script. I think there's a road named after him.[/spoiler]
Quote from: CraveNoir on 12 January, 2011, 01:21:24 PM
Hero Concept Art's Facebook page has just added some photos from their office and the sound stages.
I like their research photo
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs409.ash2/68764_160251450663001_145191828835630_371297_6267153_n.jpg)
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 11 January, 2011, 10:59:13 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 January, 2011, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 January, 2011, 04:55:22 PM
As always, I sincerely hope that anyone that feels this way never encounters an actual bully.
Indeed. In fact, the thing that makes me particularly angry about these moaning tossers who whinge about being "bullied" is that there's an ignore function on this forum.
You know what? When I was getting the shit kicked out of me every single day for the first four years I was at comprehensive, I'd have fucking loved to have had a little button I could have clicked and never seen or heard from those bastards again. If you think you're being bullied by anything anyone says to you on an internet forum, you have no fucking idea of the meaning of the word.
Tossers.
Sorry to hear of your experiences Jim but you know the context I was using the word in (the English language being far from perfect).As for using the ignore button, again that defeats the object of having a forum and hearing ALL views, good or bad, agree or disagree with.
PS isnt le tossers the band the Bee Gees used to be in :D
The context you used it in the first place was incorrect because there hasnt been any bullying in this thread but of course these days anyone can start whining that they cant say this or say that on forums if others disagree with you and then claim its bullying.
If you look up the definition of bullying it does not fit anything that has gone on in this thread so far and further to that you have only been on this thread a couple of days which doesnt fit a sustained period of time by any definition for the bullying you are talking about to have happened.The fact that you are outnumbered and myself as well as i have posted some negative comments regarding the cars and buildings again does not constitute a bullying enviroment as its more like a majority rule which is not quite the same thing.It just means you or we are in a minority to those who have positive views on it.
Ultimately no one is stopping you saying what you like and no one is forcing you with coercion to post positive comments.
I get tired of people online who claim that they are bullied if their views are not shared by the majority."They are disagreeing with me and there are lots of them so i am being bullied !!!"
One final point for you to consider is that its not what you say but the attitude with which it is said that is just as important.
Lena Headey posted greetings from sunny South Africa this morning on her Official Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lena-Headey/133910436652310?v=wall).
I think that's a 99% certainty then. Now who'll be playing the Chief Judge I wonder?
QuoteNow who'll be playing the Chief Judge I wonder?
[spoiler]An unkown, I expect - she only has one or two lines in the script. I suppose they might cast a 'name' if they want to have the option of expanding her role in any potential sequels (as I suspect is the case with Cillian Murphy's curious cameo in
Tron: Legacy), or they could always just recast and have a new Chief Judge (perhaps one we know from the comics...).[/spoiler]
Quote from: CraveNoir on 12 January, 2011, 02:48:35 PM
Lena Headey posted greetings from sunny South Africa this morning on her Official Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lena-Headey/133910436652310?v=wall).
I think that's a 99% certainty then. Now who'll be playing the Chief Judge I wonder?
You could prob make that 100% at this stage, her admin at her FB page has posted a link to the confirmed news.
Heh.. Looky here!
blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/2011/01/12/confirmed_lena_headey_to_play_villain_in_dredd/
And officially, I never said a word.
If you have a browse through Hero's pics, you'll see pics of me showing a class full of people how guns work..
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 12 January, 2011, 02:13:42 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 11 January, 2011, 10:59:13 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 January, 2011, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 January, 2011, 04:55:22 PM
As always, I sincerely hope that anyone that feels this way never encounters an actual bully.
Indeed. In fact, the thing that makes me particularly angry about these moaning tossers who whinge about being "bullied" is that there's an ignore function on this forum.
You know what? When I was getting the shit kicked out of me every single day for the first four years I was at comprehensive, I'd have fucking loved to have had a little button I could have clicked and never seen or heard from those bastards again. If you think you're being bullied by anything anyone says to you on an internet forum, you have no fucking idea of the meaning of the word.
Tossers.
Sorry to hear of your experiences Jim but you know the context I was using the word in (the English language being far from perfect).As for using the ignore button, again that defeats the object of having a forum and hearing ALL views, good or bad, agree or disagree with.
PS isnt le tossers the band the Bee Gees used to be in :D
The context you used it in the first place was incorrect because there hasnt been any bullying in this thread but of course these days anyone can start whining that they cant say this or say that on forums if others disagree with you and then claim its bullying.
If you look up the definition of bullying it does not fit anything that has gone on in this thread so far and further to that you have only been on this thread a couple of days which doesnt fit a sustained period of time by any definition for the bullying you are talking about to have happened.The fact that you are outnumbered and myself as well as i have posted some negative comments regarding the cars and buildings again does not constitute a bullying enviroment as its more like a majority rule which is not quite the same thing.It just means you or we are in a minority to those who have positive views on it.
Ultimately no one is stopping you saying what you like and no one is forcing you with coercion to post positive comments.
I get tired of people online who claim that they are bullied if their views are not shared by the majority."They are disagreeing with me and there are lots of them so i am being bullied !!!"
One final point for you to consider is that its not what you say but the attitude with which it is said that is just as important.
Dear oh dear oh dear
Only been temprorarily BARRED from here for negative post ,others have been permanently barred for same and had to come back under new identities (really!).What do you call that , eh?Open forum.
As for 'the right attitude' PLEASE ,somebody call the thought police.
It sounds like someone is going out of their way to be offended.
People who think they're being bullied should go to the John Byrne forum.
Gregg Staples on facebook
QuoteI've seen Anderson and I have to say, I think she looks great...
Could we be seeing her soon!
Greg gets an inside line being a veteran Dredd actor :D
Of course it's not an open forum, it's the official forum of a publisher.
They've been fairly tolerant so far, it could be a lot stricter. They're paying for the board after all.
As for people coming back under another name, there's one main culprit of that, and if you think it's harsh in that particular case, please feel free to trawl through alt.comics.2000ad and have a look at his posts over 10 years (it will be fairly obvious who it is)
Then come back and see if you still think it is harsh keeping him out.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 January, 2011, 05:13:19 PM
People who think they're being bullied should go to the John Byrne forum.
People who don't want to get banned should stop being Scojo.
Cheers
Jim
Back to Headey, I'm fine with prettying the character up a bit as long as [spoiler]that brutal encounter she has with Dredd at the end of the movie[/spoiler] is preserved.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 12 January, 2011, 04:54:10 PM
Dear oh dear oh dear
Only been temprorarily BARRED from here for negative post ,others have been permanently barred for same and had to come back under new identities (really!).What do you call that , eh?Open forum.
As for 'the right attitude' PLEASE ,somebody call the thought police.
[/quote]
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Who has been temporarily banned for negative posts ?
Thats not something i am aware of at all and the only example i can think of is a well known troll who often creates new identities to reappear again after being banned.
This is all i know about.The previous comment was just myself saying my bit and i am not looking for a confrontation and i say this because you are a little bit confrontational or on the defensive with an excess of sarcasm.
The comment about attitude is an observation.
BTW i have had all kinds of negative reactions to some of my comments in the past for various reasons.
Being a relative newbie here would it be too much to ask to post about complaints and other gripes and that on another thread ? Just call it "Vent here" or similar as its thrill sucking the enthusiasm on this thread thanks :)
and back on topic Ed Harris for chief judge (griffin)
Just found a photo of Olivia Thirlby with her hair all cut and blonded for the role.
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/2011/01/thirlby-blonde-photo.html
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TS3sEGplFCI/AAAAAAAAAKw/JyQ7uEXz5rI/s1600/06-ballentine-thirlby-tmagSF.jpg)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TS3vVo7rgwI/AAAAAAAAAK0/cMriDUNXQp8/s1600/thirlby-blonde-blowup.jpg)
#Kowalski is right lets move on...
Michael -
# The impression I get is that this film will be heavy on the gore factor would that be fair?
# The weaponry in the 95 version were ridiculously too big perhaps someone overcompensating -I take it that isnt the case in this movie?
#Do we see a grand view of Mega City One not just in close up?
I dont think these could be classed as spoiler questions.Thanks
I'd better be careful with what's in my mind when I saw that photo as she knows what I'm thinking! :-[
Quote from: radiator on 12 January, 2011, 03:13:26 PM
QuoteNow who'll be playing the Chief Judge I wonder?
[spoiler]An unkown, I expect - she only has one or two lines in the script. I suppose they might cast a 'name' if they want to have the option of expanding her role in any potential sequels (as I suspect is the case with Cillian Murphy's curious cameo in Tron: Legacy), or they could always just recast and have a new Chief Judge (perhaps one we know from the comics...).[/spoiler]
Who was he? I didn't notice that.
Dang, she looks good like that. I can see the Anderson definitely.
QuoteWho was he? I didn't notice that.
He was the guy who had designed the new OS they were about to launch at the start of the movie.
And to think , there's going to be an action figure of her within a year to fondle keep in its packaging.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 12 January, 2011, 06:32:58 PM
QuoteWho was he? I didn't notice that.
He was the guy who had designed the new OS they were about to launch at the start of the movie.
Aaah, thanks. I think I know who you mean actually but may have been too drunk for it to register at the time. I'll keep an eye out when I see it in the flicks later in the week.
And I was hoping for a long haired Anderson...
She's looking very Andersony. The shorter hair makes more sense. You don't want to be running around with long hair flapping around everywhere while you're busting perps.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 12 January, 2011, 06:20:09 PM
Just found a photo of Olivia Thirlby with her hair all cut and blonded for the role.
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/2011/01/thirlby-blonde-photo.html
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TS3sEGplFCI/AAAAAAAAAKw/JyQ7uEXz5rI/s1600/06-ballentine-thirlby-tmagSF.jpg)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8OO4V5RITwQ/TS3vVo7rgwI/AAAAAAAAAK0/cMriDUNXQp8/s1600/thirlby-blonde-blowup.jpg)
Nice going as usual Crave, she looks very much the part now having seen that. :)
Quote from: wadew1 on 12 January, 2011, 07:10:58 PM
She's looking very Andersony. The shorter hair makes more sense. You don't want to be running around with long hair flapping around everywhere while you're busting perps.
I agree it makes sense.
On the other hand, she's less of a runner and more of a thinker... ;)
Apart from it looking like she's got a bogey hanging off her nose, she looks very Boo Cook Andersony.
I cant get used to the look of Olivia Thirby as i have the Brian Bolland archetype Anderson stuck in my mind but the choice of Lena Headey is a good one so no complaints at all there.
That is good Anderson. Very much a Boo Cook/David Roach mash-up. Y'know, I think I'm going to enjoy this.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 12 January, 2011, 06:22:30 PM
# The impression I get is that this film will be heavy on the gore factor would that be fair?
Absolutely. The movie is definitely of the 1980's Predator and Robocop gore vibe. I've seen some pretty decent nastyness that would make Paul Verhoeven proud.
Quote# The weaponry in the 95 version were ridiculously too big perhaps someone overcompensating -I take it that isnt the case in this movie?
The weaponry we designed are of believable proportions. It has to look like it works. A lot of the design features are there for an actual reason. It serves two purposes. To make it look real as well as aid with between shot maintenance. We don't like having a multi million dollar crew wait for us. The only place where we indulged (but still stayed within the realms of practical reality, more of which when pics are exposed), was in the three weapons we shot over the previous two days. They had to be absolute evil monsters of weapons.. They still ended up being handled like their real counterparts.
Quote#Do we see a grand view of Mega City One not just in close up?
As far as I know there are a few wide shots of MC1, along with some street level chase shots. However as MC1 as a whole is not the focus of
this movie, there will be quality over quantity.. The VFX guys, from what I've heard, have been at work on this as long as I have (June 2010), possibly longer. But I can only guess about what they're up to, but if everything else is anything to go by, then MC1 will be treated properly. There will also be some nice establishing shots of the halls of justice too.
[/quote]
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 January, 2011, 07:52:08 PMThere will also be some nice establishing shots of the halls of justice too.
Any hint on what they'll look like?
How many mags will the pair of them have on them and how many rounds does each mag hold?
I ask this so I can sit down with the Bluray (when it comes out) and count all the shots fired and see if it tallies up ;)
I believe they had a bullet count in the Way of the Gun (2000), plenty of reloading in that flick.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 January, 2011, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 January, 2011, 07:52:08 PMThere will also be some nice establishing shots of the halls of justice too.
Any hint on what they'll look like?
I hope its eagle shaped....
Joe, like the halls of justice would be my best bet (i.e. your guess is as good as mine..)
Commando.. Don't get me started on that one.. But in my mind the magazine in the grip would possibly be 18-20 and the forward magazine would be 5 rounds per munition, but that's all editing and story determined. Don't expect Invasion USA 500 round Uzi style magazines.
Quote from: Krombasher on 12 January, 2011, 07:40:49 PM
Apart from it looking like she's got a bogey hanging off her nose, she looks very Boo Cook Andersony.
Be nice, She's a lovely girl, and even remembered who I was after the xmas break
QuoteAs far as I know there are a few wide shots of MC1, along with some street level chase shots. However as MC1 as a whole is not the focus of this movie, there will be quality over quantity..
So are there a few thoughts about the next movie ?
Street level action ?
Quote from: doggettX on 12 January, 2011, 08:10:04 PM
So are there a few thoughts about the next movie ?
I can only guess that we have to see how well this one does before they decide on the next one. There is talk of a franchise, but it's too early to tell. But with the creative team behind this show, along with the cast, I can't really see why it wouldn't do well enough to warrant a sequel or two. It's a classic character introduction movie, allowing for expansion of the universe in the future, instead of trying to do everything all at once..
Quote
Street level action ?
We built bikes, didn't we? ;)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 January, 2011, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: doggettX on 12 January, 2011, 08:10:04 PM
So are there a few thoughts about the next movie ?
I can only guess that we have to see how well this one does before they decide on the next one. There is talk of a franchise, but it's too early to tell. But with the creative team behind this show, along with the cast, I can't really see why it wouldn't do well enough to warrant a sequel or two. It's a classic character introduction movie, allowing for expansion of the universe in the future, instead of trying to do everything all at once..
Quote
Street level action ?
We built bikes, didn't we? ;)
There is nothing but positives coming from this, and I like it a lot.
Thanks for all the insider news Michaelvk and keep up the good work.
V
QuoteHe was the guy who had designed the new OS they were about to launch at the start of the movie.
He is also the son of the David Warner baddie character from the original
Tron - I got the impression that they were setting him up as the would be villain in
Tron 3 if it ever gets made.
Apologies if this has been said before I just popped on over to the Hero Concept Art Facebook page and they have a Photo Album entitled "Dreddful Album" and within the few photos is what appears to be a full scale U-Boat. A red herring perhaps ?
QuoteI can only guess that we have to see how well this one does before they decide on the next one. There is talk of a franchise, but it's too early to tell. But with the creative team behind this show, along with the cast, I can't really see why it wouldn't do well enough to warrant a sequel or two. It's a classic character introduction movie, allowing for expansion of the universe in the future, instead of trying to do everything all at once..
That's interesting - I've noticed that your posts started off quite lukewarm and have been getting a lot more positive in tone recently - is that a fair assessment? Have you been impressed overall with the production so far and how does it compare to previous jobs?
Also, were you at all familiar with Judge Dredd/2000ad before starting on
Dredd?
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 12 January, 2011, 08:38:22 PM
Apologies if this has been said before I just popped on over to the Hero Concept Art Facebook page and they have a Photo Album entitled "Dreddful Album" and within the few photos is what appears to be a full scale U-Boat. A red herring perhaps ?
I believe the U-Boat is a somewhat "fixture" at the studio.
Today was a great news day! Excitement levels on maximum! :D
Tipping a hat to Verhoeven levels of violence is a smart move!
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 12 January, 2011, 08:38:22 PM
Apologies if this has been said before I just popped on over to the Hero Concept Art Facebook page and they have a Photo Album entitled "Dreddful Album" and within the few photos is what appears to be a full scale U-Boat. A red herring perhaps ?
It's a left over from a movie called Laconia that was shot here in 2009..
Quote from: dweezil2 on 12 January, 2011, 08:56:43 PM
Today was a great news day! Excitement levels on maximum! :D
Tipping a hat to Verhoeven levels of violence is a smart move!
On the subject of the gore, if it's a bit splattery like that it'll be interesting to see what the ratings board gives it. I just bought the Evil Dead movies on Blu-Ray and noticed 2 has been downgraded to a 15, which given the amount of gore in that film is an interesting example of how much more lenient the board is these days.
Tone probably has a lot to do with it, but if the violence is of the over the top splatter Robocop variety then it's not a million miles from something like ED2. Hoping this means they won't need to compromise on the action to avoid a less commercial 18 certificate.
It's being made with an R rating in mind.
Quote from: radiator on 12 January, 2011, 08:39:20 PM
QuoteI can only guess that we have to see how well this one does before they decide on the next one. There is talk of a franchise, but it's too early to tell. But with the creative team behind this show, along with the cast, I can't really see why it wouldn't do well enough to warrant a sequel or two. It's a classic character introduction movie, allowing for expansion of the universe in the future, instead of trying to do everything all at once..
That's interesting - I've noticed that your posts started off quite lukewarm and have been getting a lot more positive in tone recently - is that a fair assessment? Have you been impressed overall with the production so far and how does it compare to previous jobs?
Also, were you at all familiar with Judge Dredd/2000ad before starting on Dredd?
Lukewarm because I wasn't entirely sure how much I could or couldn't say. I sort of got an all clear on my postings from those in charge, but I'm still in no way an official voice of the production, and opinions expressed are obviously my own and not those of DNA or Rena films..
Every job is different. This is, as South Africa goes, one of the bigger ones I've worked on (I'm not counting 10000BC, which was crap.. I was a mere model maker flunky on the miniature unit there). My previous job was BBC's upcoming series Outcasts, where as far as design goes there's almost not a single shot where I didn't have a hand in what's on the screen. It was a much smaller, looser art department, and as far as working environments go, I'd be honest and say it was more fun. However, Dredd is one of those fantastic once in a lifetime gigs, but because of it's size and subject matter, it's not as free as Outcasts was. There's a lot of input from above because they want this to be as good a representation of Dredd as they can get it. It took me a while to get my head around the concept of no longer being the rockstar I was on Outcasts, but once I'd adjusted to the system, I was rolling with it quite happily.
I will be honest and have to admit that I knew about Dredd, but because I spent most of my years in the Netherlands, I never had proper/any access to it. I do love what I've read and I'm quite sure if I did have proper access to them, I would've been here years ago.
Verhoeven levels of gore? That would be great. No one really does those gigantic, Verhoeven-ish squib hits anymore. So I guess they're going to be using very little cg when it comes to blood and all that?
I think Dredd would have to go pretty damn far to get landed with an 18 rating - Kick-Ass had limbs getting chopped off, people exploding in microwaves, multiple gunshot wounds and even a c-word, and that got a 15!
(Though secretly I'm hoping for a 15 theatrical release with a totally batshit 18 rated Directors Cut Blu-Ray!).
It's quite heartening that Michael is referencing films like Robocop and Predator - no-one really makes films like that any more - action films nowadays tend to be quite slick and sanitised. It's weird, because I don't really think of Dredd as a particularly violent comic, but I suppose you just kind of get desensitised to it after reading it for so many years - thinking about it, even the more subdued stories tend to have quite a high body count.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 12 January, 2011, 02:48:35 PMNow who'll be playing the Chief Judge I wonder?
My ideal choice would be Sigourney Weaver, like that's going to happen!
I guess it will all be about context on the ratings.
Most of the 18 rated films these days tend to be of the Saw/Hostel variety where it's more the torture porn kind of thing going on.
The Final Destination series have some pretty gruesome deaths, but they're almost played for laughs and they are 15 rated.
I'm guessing it might scrape a 15, possibly... Starship Troopers is an 18, but I'm not sure it's justified anymore as it's so OTT.
Starship Troopers is one of those films that was a 15 in the cinema, but for some reason an 18 on video/DVD.
QuoteMy ideal choice would be Sigourney Weaver, like that's going to happen!
She popped into my head, too - I suppose it's not completely outside the realm of possibility.
Weaver worked with the director of DREDD on VANTAGE POINT.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 January, 2011, 04:37:03 PM
If you have a browse through Hero's pics, you'll see pics of me showing a class full of people how guns work..
If Carling made jobs it would be yours!
By the way you look a bit like Richmond, separated at birth perhaps? :)
Don't have much time to post these days but thanks for all the posts Michael, really appreciated.
Carlsburg don't do jobs but if they did...
I'm a lucky sod.. Anyone here ever have a Windhoek though?
Quote from: radiator on 12 January, 2011, 10:01:28 PM
I think Dredd would have to go pretty damn far to get landed with an 18 rating - Kick-Ass had limbs getting chopped off, people exploding in microwaves, multiple gunshot wounds and even a c-word, and that got a 15!
(Though secretly I'm hoping for a 15 theatrical release with a totally batshit 18 rated Directors Cut Blu-Ray!).
It's quite heartening that Michael is referencing films like Robocop and Predator - no-one really makes films like that any more - action films nowadays tend to be quite slick and sanitised. It's weird, because I don't really think of Dredd as a particularly violent comic, but I suppose you just kind of get desensitised to it after reading it for so many years - thinking about it, even the more subdued stories tend to have quite a high body count.
What about John Rambo (2008), that had a level of gore akin to Robocop and Predator. When Michael is talking about the gore, is it about the same as Rambo??
That scene with the 50 Cal on the back of the jeep and the sniper rifle was freakin' aaarsom! The knife scenes were pretty gruesome. That is the benchmark for me. The level of gore in that was crazy!
If you want 50 cal, you got it..
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp42/dr_cyclopz/boweiomn.jpg)
Is that a Lawmaster back there?
Looks like one to me... Good spotting! Appears to have the fat tyre on the back... maybe only on the back.
Sorry,I Photoshopped it. I wanted to see one there so badly i couldn't resist.
OHMANTHATLOOKSSOCOOL!!!!!!!
:P
HAHAHA!!!!! You BASTARD! There I was enlarging the image to get a better view. I was going to repost the enlargement but couldn't figure out how to post images that aren't on the net already.
You shouldn't have said anything. Should have waited a bit longer for everyone to get excited! Oh well, I was fooled...
:)
Where did you find this pic ???
Quote from: radiator on 12 January, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
He is also the son of the David Warner baddie character from the original Tron - I got the impression that they were setting him up as the would be villain in Tron 3 if it ever gets made.
Aaaah, that sounds familiar also. It's all coming together now.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 January, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
It's a left over from a movie called Laconia that was shot here in 2009..
The Sinking Of The Laconia? Weird. I just finished watching part 2 but didn't recognise the U-boat earlier. They all look the same to me. Germans, I mean.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 12 January, 2011, 10:15:53 PM
My ideal choice would be Sigourney Weaver, like that's going to happen!
Interesting choice actually.
Quote from: doggettX on 13 January, 2011, 02:22:33 AM
Where did you find this pic ???
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Hero-Concept-Art/145191828835630
A magic trick, folks.
Now you see it...
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp42/dr_cyclopz/boweiomn.jpg)
Now you don't...
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs053.snc6/168302_181962581825221_145191828835630_492012_1620108_n.jpg)
I got excited for a moment when I zoomed in and saw the red and black Y-fronts.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 13 January, 2011, 01:24:57 AM
Sorry,I Photoshopped it. I wanted to see one there so badly i couldn't resist.
I was going to ask if this picture was photoshopped as there was something not quite right about it in the sense that it looked too good to be true.
Quote from: SAJse on 13 January, 2011, 03:23:46 AM
Quote from: radiator on 12 January, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
He is also the son of the David Warner baddie character from the original Tron - I got the impression that they were setting him up as the would be villain in Tron 3 if it ever gets made.
Aaaah, that sounds familiar also. It's all coming together now.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 January, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
It's a left over from a movie called Laconia that was shot here in 2009..
The Sinking Of The Laconia? Weird. I just finished watching part 2 but didn't recognise the U-boat earlier. They all look the same to me. Germans, I mean.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 12 January, 2011, 10:15:53 PM
My ideal choice would be Sigourney Weaver, like that's going to happen!
Interesting choice actually.
Sigourney Weaver as Chief Judge Griffin - definitely an interesting choice! I hope she keeps the eyepatch.
Alrighty lads..
It happened. I need to wind my neck in, as I received a massive (and justified) bollocking over images.
It's back to snippets of text and no more piccies from me.
Sorry to hear that Michael, I'm sure everyone appreciates what you did.
I just got a cease and desist, telling me to remove the blog! :P
What blog- your whole news site ?????
Really!??
Wow, I kind of expected a few words to be said over the last 'guess who game' although the last time something similar happened it was over the Alien Prequel, where a twitter account was removed after all the the poor guy did was say he was only working on the film.....so I guess there are different levels for different people....
Hopefully its a little burp from the production team going 'Oi !!' before things get out of hand, than a full on hanging by the studio gates....
Cheers for the inputs both of you, hope it can continue in a more amicable way for everyone.
*Slow handclap*
Way to keep the fans on board...
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 January, 2011, 07:46:34 AM
Alrighty lads..
It happened. I need to wind my neck in, as I received a massive (and justified) bollocking over images.
It's back to snippets of text and no more piccies from me.
Shit. You haven't posted any major pics have you? Sorry to hear you got in trouble...
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 January, 2011, 08:31:16 AM
I just got a cease and desist, telling me to remove the blog! :P
Are you kidding? Ridiculous.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 January, 2011, 08:31:16 AM
I just got a cease and desist, telling me to remove the blog! :P
Ah hey! That's daft! Very sorry to hear about michaelvk getting a slap, but at least it comes with the territory - what possible basis could there be for shutting down CraveNoir's great work? Letter to Tharg in order, I think (not that he's likely to be involved, but he may be in a position to communicate views to those who are).
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 January, 2011, 08:31:16 AM
I just got a cease and desist, telling me to remove the blog! :P
What for?
There's nothing on there that's not public domain already?
It's a good job we're the type of people who couldn't give a toss about the film.
I am gobsmacked :o
Crave- that's a darn shame. From what I've seen on the blog there is nothing to warrant that kind of attitude towards you.
MichaelVK- hope you manage to stay around and thanks for being a voice on the inside.
::)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 January, 2011, 07:46:34 AM
Alrighty lads..
It happened. I need to wind my neck in, as I received a massive (and justified) bollocking over images.
It's back to snippets of text and no more piccies from me.
That's fucking brainless on the studio's part, if they would work with the fans in releasing some bits and pieces it would satisfy us.
Not sure what was in the gun pictures to get the studio all thick about them that we'd had seen from the Dredd picture itself. Michaelvk, thanks for your input, kind of shows you had the foresight to create support for the project through the fanbase which the studio so far has failed to do.
Not sure what to say about Crave's blog, but it has done far more good in raising awareness of the movie project than DNA has so far. Its simple duty was to collect what is out in the public domain and tie it into one site. Nothing bad in my opinion.
Crave maybe you should host it in this forum and see if they would go and order Rebellion to take the thread down. Bet that would go down like a lead balloon.
DNA has left a bad taste in my mouth now, you turn on the supporting fans is not the way to go. :sick:
Fair enough about being cautioned about posting behind-the-scenes snaps of equipment. BUT, if a web-site links to those images, it's hardly that web-site's fault if the same images are allowed for days or weeks to remain visible on the OFFICIAL 2000AD message board, the same board that promoted that iffy quality photo of Dredd pointing his gun?
Still, the good news is that the movie release date is not far off, so the official photos will come soon enough. Maybe this is what is happening right now - the unauthorised pics are being swept out of the way to make way for endorsed promotional material?
Quote from: LARF on 13 January, 2011, 08:53:36 AM
What for?
There's nothing on there that's not public domain already?
Allegedly infringement of copyright/ownership (that'd be the helmet and gun pics Michael posted here, and probably the set photos), and also allegedly that the blog suggests it has an affiliation with the production -- which annoys me as there's a disclaimer on the bottom of every page and has been since day one.
SneakeeX,Yup, the intent has always been to collate info for fans, and educate reporters/passers-by on the character.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 January, 2011, 09:37:15 AM
Quote from: LARF on 13 January, 2011, 08:53:36 AM
What for?
There's nothing on there that's not public domain already?
Allegedly infringement of copyright/ownership (that'd be the helmet and gun pics Michael posted here, and probably the set photos), and also allegedly that the blog suggests it has an affiliation with the production -- which annoys me as there's a disclaimer on the bottom of every page and has been since day one.
SneakeeX,
Yup, the intent has always been to collate info for fans, and educate reporters/passers-by on the character.
Now, speaking from a position of utter ignorance of law and that sort of thing, this sounds like bullshit to me.
We reported the casting news on the HiEx blog too- we haven't got any such order! Likewise, I bet they haven't sent one to Empire, or to every other site that has reproduced any pics...
Okay people. It's been real. Effective immediately I've been told to shut up, am officially off the project and can count myself lucky I haven't been carted off the lot by security. So unless I get a small miracle, I'm not saying another word.
Thanks for all your support, and I'll catch you all after the premier.
Cheers!
Michael
Fuck's sake. You can count me out of the 'Happy Clappy Brigade', so.
God that's awful. You're off the project? I feel really guilty now for asking you to offer little snippets of info.
I just don't think that what you've done has done any harm at all.
If anything you've been part of creating a really positive buzz about this film.
I feel a bit sick now...
Hmm, overreaction rather than thought through by PR/TPTB methinks. Considering we've helped generate interest within/without this forum without showing/knowing anything at all, this seems rather extreme. The treatment of Michael stuns and depresses me. Considering the xcript got out there before shooting ever started, I'd consider that a farlarger faux pas. I hope there's a U-Turn on Michael's position.
I don't think they have a clue about PR. They needed to spend a bit of that meagre 40 million or so on PR. Some descent photo's, just a few trickling in slowly would have been enough. And Michael... He was clearly one of their greatest assets in this regard. They've got no idea have they? Oh well, we can always 'shoop' our own pictures ;)
Bit sus that this happened after the Lena Headey 'news' broke.
Not sure if it was off the radar until that, and that was the catalyst. Seems like someone threw a strop about information getting out of their hands. Well, that's the internet... like it or lump it.
It's immensely wrong-headed and OTT with what's happened with Michael, and just ignorant of how best to handle these things.
Massive own goal there. Just hope they have a change of heart with regards to Michael.
That blows. That blows really, really hard.
Sorry to hear that Michael, hope the powers that be soon see the error of their ways, and put you back on the project. Surely, you not being there must be felt by the production.
I also think this sudden crackdown must have had something to do with Headey.
They maybe were waiting with the Headey announcement for some reason we are not privvy to, but which still might have legal repercussions for getting out early.
Still, kicking Micheal off the project is bit of an overreaction, and certainly not the way to get the fans on their side. The only thing both Michael and the Dredd newsblog are guilty of, are creating hype and positive word of mouth for the movie. And free of charge.
Harsh, but I can't say I'm completely surprised - I was worried something like this might happen. Perhaps posting about the telling off he received was the last straw?
I sometimes have to sign NDAs for the work I do, and I always tend to err on the side of caution with such things.
As for Crave's blog, that's just silly - I would understand them telling him to to remove specific offending pictures, but the whole blog? That's overkill and can only lead to upsetting the biggest supporters of this film.
QuoteBit sus that this happened after the Lena Headey 'news' broke.
Yeah- smacks of someone in PR taking a strop to me.
I'd just like to say that I appreciate what Michael brought to this forum, and never sought to cotact him, or court any info. I can understand a slight bollocking from the brass, but it's a nonsense that he should be punished by being removed from the project.
The Headey news got thousands of page views, and the profile was raised by big sites mentioning the blog. Maybe the PR dept were hoping to hold out on announcing until Game of Thrones debuted on TV, and they could get some attention there. Who knows?
Maybe I should start a blog called Judge Minty Movie News! :)
I'm sorry, I know I'm a newbie here but I have to say I agree with what's happened (apologies to those on the receiving end) - this movie is their property and they WILL have a plan to publicise it, but it's still a YEAR till the movie's release - mid-way through filming is NOT the time to start revealing everythign. I'm not surprised that they take a dim view of posting photos of sets and props without permission.
I guess they'll be no more DREDD film info for a while now Michaelvk has been sent to the cubes.
Well thanks a lot to Michaelvk. He decided that keeping us up to date on what's literatly taking shape on the set was important. I guess security over the film's content was bound to take precedent over any potentially un authorised pictures, fun though they were to view.
It was great watching the film begin to develop almost before our eyes but like all good things it couldn't last.
Prepare for a long,boring wait till we get any more news.
It's a real shame what's happened, I appreciate everything Michaelvk has done; I could understand if it was a warning and a stern word prohibiting from doing such things, but being kicked from the project see just a tad OTT (so does what happened to Crave). Well anywaym, thanks for all you've done, sorry to hear about what's happened, and I hope you don't leave the board, despite this it would be good if you could stay here.
Guys, I'm touched by all the support. I'm choked up reading this, but bottom line it was a breach of contract, despite any support I had on this side. Those hands are tied and heads rolled.
Quote from: The Chief of Sector 301 on 13 January, 2011, 10:54:58 AM
I'm sorry, I know I'm a newbie here but I have to say I agree with what's happened (apologies to those on the receiving end) - this movie is their property and they WILL have a plan to publicise it, but it's still a YEAR till the movie's release - mid-way through filming is NOT the time to start revealing everythign. I'm not surprised that they take a dim view of posting photos of sets and props without permission.
Presumably this will be the plan that involved taking a blurry, underexposed pic of the costume and releasing it through Rebellion, then?
Good plan.
I don't particularly blame them from bollocking Michael, but removing him from the project is OTT, a verbal warning would have been sufficient.
I understand totally about not wanting leaked photos out there - BUT - with the internet you're far better managing it better than this, working with them rather than against them.
All they're doing is coming across as clueless and vindictive.
I sincerely hope LGF are not the ones behind this - because from a marekting point ov view, LGF themselves are hardly the most competent in the business.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 13 January, 2011, 10:55:36 AM
I guess there will be
Corrected my bad English. :-[
Damn it's awful about
Michaelvk. Just some quick snaps and I don't think he even mentioned
Lena Headey by name.
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 11:03:59 AM
Presumably this will be the plan that involved taking a blurry, underexposed pic of the costume and releasing it through Rebellion, then?
Do you know for certain that it ISN'T part of the plan? Because when I look at the pages and pages and pages of online and print coverage of a single "blurry, underexposed pic", it smells of marketing genius to me.
Reeks more like.
If it was, it was an idiotic plan, it just looks amateurish. I don't remember any other studio showing such poorly photographed images as a first glimpse.
Whether it's marketing genius or not depends on how it's received, not the coverage.
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 11:21:31 AMWhether it's marketing genius or not depends on how it's received, not the coverage.
And, apart from certain comments on here - which represents, let's face it, a miniscule number of the potential audience - the reception has been great.
Really?
From what I saw it's been 'meh' or they've been Stallone fans wondering whether they'd get Stallone again...
A lot of the posts I've seen about Dredd news have had a pretty limited response.
I'm uncomfortable with discussing the circumstances and possible reasons/ blame for someone losing their job- my sincere condolences to Michaelvk, and I hope you bounce back, as I'm sure you will.
I may not be the biggest supporter of what's being done on this movie, and I may not be entirely ignorant of how production companies (and indeed any petty-minded organisation) work when it comes to enforcing the letter of the contracts they get people to sign, when it suits them. I do think they set a nasty and badly thought-through precedent though. Are they going to issue similar Cease & Desist notices to Rebellion to deter leaks on this board?
Say we get a new member tomorrow, who happens to live in South Africa, and has some nice, blurry, insider shots of filming (you know, the kind of thing DNA seems to favour) and posts them here. What then?
To Michaelvk all I can say is thanks for fuelling so much (mostly good-natured) debate on this board. You know, DNA, the official board of the comic in which the strip that inspired your movie appears. The board peopled entirely by the regular readers of the comic, who WILL be talking and writing an awful lot about this film over the next year- and whose good natures could lead to more positive publicity than you could imagine. Or not.
Tharg- send Michaelvk a subscription immediately, and a KTT. Make a point.
SBT
The latest Megazine confirms that official snapshots are emerging from the South Africa production, but doesn't give a date for their public distribution.
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 11:31:36 AM
Really?
From what I saw it's been 'meh' or they've been Stallone fans wondering whether they'd get Stallone again...
A lot of the posts I've seen about Dredd news have had a pretty limited response.
I doubt we're looking at the same websites, to be honest. Whenever I've read comments on news stories the comments have been overwhelmingly neutral/positive.
Unfortunately Michael's most likely being made an example of, I don't entirely agree with how that goes down but it does create a bad mood at the grass roots level which is what Dredd still is at this moment, a grass roots enterprise with the hope of expansion, a lot of the audience for this type of film are still indifferent to the character and film. If it took them this long to curb his posts and any news seems accidental, I wonder whether there is any real PR control behind it. Left hand not knowing right hand syndrome. A first warning about the Ma Ma casting -most likely the real reason- would have been enough I believe.
The blog takedown is just silly and unrealistic, the(DNA) child throwing toys out of the pram.
Far from impressed.
Michael - many thanks for your input. You've helped generate interest in the movie and done a damn sight more to raise its profile than the studio have. I'm truly saddened and, frankly, disgusted at the 'ton of bricks' approach the studio have adopted, when a quiet word would have been all it took. You'd still be working on the film and we'd still have some respect for DNA. Best of luck for the future, man.
Crave - Fuck 'em. Keep publishing and just slap a massive "UNOFFICIAL" banner at the top of every page. Make sure you report this latest development, too!
The far-less-serious-but-still-very-annoying matter of Crave Noir's blog is an odd one. Doesn't all that information appear on this very forum as well (in a less organised and accessible form)? And what about certain other 2000AD blogs, which I'm not going to mention by name for fear of giving PR planks ideas?
Quote from: The Chief of Sector 301 on 13 January, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 11:31:36 AM
Really?
From what I saw it's been 'meh' or they've been Stallone fans wondering whether they'd get Stallone again...
A lot of the posts I've seen about Dredd news have had a pretty limited response.
I doubt we're looking at the same websites, to be honest. Whenever I've read comments on news stories the comments have been overwhelmingly neutral/positive.
Overwhelmingly neutral/positive?
I wouldn't exactly call that a stellar response.
I really hope they reverse the decision on Michael, his knowledge of the work he's all ready designed/manufactured and the fact that he's an admitted fan of Dredd is too much to lose over a relatively minor PR faux pas.
They're treating CraveNoir as if he and Mick are in a conspiracy with the rest of us.
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: The Chief of Sector 301 on 13 January, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 11:31:36 AM
Really?
From what I saw it's been 'meh' or they've been Stallone fans wondering whether they'd get Stallone again...
A lot of the posts I've seen about Dredd news have had a pretty limited response.
I doubt we're looking at the same websites, to be honest. Whenever I've read comments on news stories the comments have been overwhelmingly neutral/positive.
Overwhelmingly neutral/positive?
I wouldn't exactly call that a stellar response.
It is compared to the absolute maulings most Hollywood superhero/cult/action movies receive when announced.
NDAs - they're fuckers, but I've seen whole companies fold due to someone not keeping their mouth shut.
Hope a new project rears it's head for you soon, Michael.
Quote from: Dunk! on 13 January, 2011, 12:11:44 PM
NDAs - they're fuckers, but I've seen whole companies fold due to someone not keeping their mouth shut.
Point.
Quote from: Dunk! on 13 January, 2011, 12:11:44 PM
NDAs - they're fuckers, but I've seen whole companies fold due to someone not keeping their mouth shut.
In this case the opposite I believe is true, Michael's posts are helping the project and the interest on this board has increased since he arrived, the only concerted effort at the moment to inform people about and discuss the film is coming from here and CraveNoir's blog.
I really think there was something a bit different going on here that now seems to have been broken.
Quote from: The Chief of Sector 301 on 13 January, 2011, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: The Chief of Sector 301 on 13 January, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 11:31:36 AM
Really?
From what I saw it's been 'meh' or they've been Stallone fans wondering whether they'd get Stallone again...
A lot of the posts I've seen about Dredd news have had a pretty limited response.
I doubt we're looking at the same websites, to be honest. Whenever I've read comments on news stories the comments have been overwhelmingly neutral/positive.
Overwhelmingly neutral/positive?
I wouldn't exactly call that a stellar response.
It is compared to the absolute maulings most Hollywood superhero/cult/action movies receive when announced.
I think that's more indifference than being neutral - most other Hollywood superhero properties have a much larger fanbase/profile.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 January, 2011, 10:52:37 AM
I'd just like to say that I appreciate what Michael brought to this forum, and never sought to cotact him, or court any info. I can understand a slight bollocking from the brass, but it's a nonsense that he should be punished by being removed from the project.
The Headey news got thousands of page views, and the profile was raised by big sites mentioning the blog. Maybe the PR dept were hoping to hold out on announcing until Game of Thrones debuted on TV, and they could get some attention there. Who knows?
Maybe I should start a blog called Judge Minty Movie News! :)
Thank you MichaelVK for the snippets you shared and I must emphasise "snippets" a lot of what was mentioned wasnt factual just premise.
Suffice to say that well your a proud man and deeply excited by the project and the willingness to show your excellent work to those fans here was taken eagerly by all.
It does sadden me that you have been taken off the project I can only hope in retrospect that the information passed on wasnt that bad that it warranted this and that the powers that be will see that and reinstate to you to the project.
As for Crave Noirs site well information that is readily available on the web and by trawling through countless sites in a detective fashion shows that he is in the wrong job and should be filling out an application to undergo training at Richmond, Virginia for the FBI! It is only speculation come rumour or hard facts that have appeared on his site.
To coin a phrase "The Truth is Out There" and Agent Crave came too close that the Dredd PR bandwagon couldnt handle that truth!
On no!
Just come back to this..........
Its always hard to know reasonings without having the full facts to hand- for all we know DNA could well have planned a huge viral marketing campaign- making announcements ( such as castings) as it went- we are making rather quick assumptions on their, sadly, rather odd and maybe unfair choices.
However,
In fairness to Micheal, I would imagine the news of casting would have been out on the net to see anyway- the actress has a FBook site that would have given the game away- there can't be many 'Hollywood' productions on in SA at the moment to merit her visit.
Ive actually just had a tweet with Dredd news that hasn't yet been released. I'm scared to say anything now, so its a shame. Everyone looses.
Fucking hell. The ONLY way a film like Dredd has any chance is if it galvanises the fan base AND gets a ton of viral support AND happens to be pretty good. PR monkeys stamping their little feet and getting all pissy about people having the sheer audacity to leak the odd photo (which got people excited and got a ton of free exposure) or some casting info (which was also 'leaked' by the actress herself—hey, why not kick her off the production too, you idiots) is just bonkers.
I get the breach-of-contract issue, but a smart PR department would work with someone like Michaelvk. The sensible scenario would be:
- Administer slightly subtler bollocking.
- Make Michaelvk semi-official fan-facing mouthpiece, with dos and don'ts regarding information posting.
After all, we went from OH MY GOD THAT LOOKS CRAP to some guy saying "actually, it looks bloody good, and here are some more helmet pics, and you're going to LOVE this movie".
Stuff like this sours everything for me, because it shows that (unsurprisingly) the production isn't any different to the norm, and, sadly, the people involved don't have a fucking clue about modern-day marketing and are still living in the 1990s, when they could break stuff through expensive exclusives with newsstand magazines. (And threatening the blog, which has been doing the PRs' work for them... just... GAH!)
Teivion: say what you heard. I would VERY MUCH like to see DNA try to 'silence' fans on the official website. Can i prepare my hearty 'fuck off!' in advance?
SBT
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 January, 2011, 12:38:36 PM
I get the breach-of-contract issue, but a smart PR department would work with someone like Michaelvk. The sensible scenario would be:
- Administer slightly subtler bollocking.
- Make Michaelvk semi-official fan-facing mouthpiece, with dos and don'ts regarding information posting.
I was under the impression that this was what was actually going on oraganically to an extent but obviously there wasn't much of an overseeing mind-set that had the brains to take advantage of a unique situtation. Nothing Mick has posted has in any way bee spoiler material.
SBT:
I'd love to- but to put it in a nut shell I'd like to be considered for work by DNA should a Dredd sequel ever happen- so if this is what they are like, then I need to mind my P's and Q's. :-X
I think Crave would probably know, if he's still on the ball ;-)
To Michaelvk, I'm in work now, lucky to be working and even got a promotion in this economy. Lately been spending far too much time checking out the movie news from Crave Noir and your day to day set work on the forum.
I've a baby on the way in May/June and getting married this year.
You lost your job indirectly because I asked you a straight forward question.
While you revealed no name, the punishment for my curiousity has cost you your job. I'm absolutely devastated by the DNA studios reaction. If I lost my job like that, I'm not sure what I'd do and how I would support my family.
For the first time, I feel sick in my stomach about your situation as I hope the circumstances that caused this will not follow you in your career.
I can feel for you, way in the past, I'd lost a job when i was younger and falsely accused of stealing from the shop I was working in. I was shown the door and my confidence was shot to hell. It took me years to accept a job handling money. That day, I went home and didn't leave my room for 3 days from the shame of it.
That was thankfully a long time ago and moved light years ahead in my career but the memory still lingers.
What you have contributed to the forum was a sense of being there during production, you gave us insigth into the day to day running and atmosphere of the production which helped us in the forum feel part of it.
To have it cost your job is horrible and I feel partially guilty of putting you in that position.
I only wish DNA wasn't so forceful in it's actions, a simple warning would have sufficed. You have contributed to a good general buzz to the movie, DNA have 100% failed to provide fans with reassurance and allowed the negative press build on, also failing to prevent people believing that a Stallone starring sequel is being filmed.
I was staying quiet on that issue because I believed in DNA up to then, now I kind of not sure about them. They have now attacked the people who were generating the positive buzz and kept the Dredd movie firmly in the press, and that attack was on two members of this forum. I see that as an attack on the fans and Dredd. All I can say is when I do see DNA on the screen I will be filled with anger.
In the end, there is a human cost, and that cost was to Michael's reputation and confidence.
All I can say is I'm sorry and hope they will cop on to their stupid actions! They have alienated the real fans!!!!!
David
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 January, 2011, 12:38:36 PM
Stuff like this sours everything for me, because it shows that (unsurprisingly) the production isn't any different to the norm...And threatening the blog, which has been doing the PRs' work for them... just... GAH!
Absolutely. I had absolutely no interest in seeing another Dredd movie when it was announced, but I have thoroughly enjoyed the innocent snippets Michaelvk has been teasing us with (imagine what he
could have told/shown us) and the ensuing detective work, photoshoppery and collation to the point where I was quite looking forward to the film and a bit of a financial upswing for the Prog.
It's probably for the best that reality has called collect so early in the proceedings, and I'm back to couldn't-give-a-spug now, and am again imagining the same slew of crappy tie-ins and re-brandings which will damage the comic long into the future. DNA and their brainless lackeys can piss off.
Very sorry to hear about this and best wishes and thanks to Micheal for everything so far.
My guess is this has something to do with the disclosure of Lena Headey.Its also something to do with PR and control freaks as this stinks of control freaks to me and as for the PR its non-existent apart this thread and i was just thinking last night that the interaction between Micheal and this forum must be something that hasnt been done before and was a brilliant bit of PR and the PR people have been upstaged.
Of course the Morons from the film studio and the PR and anyone else who objected to Micheal interacting with the fans dont see it this way unfortunately and as a consequence they are going to have to accept the very negative feedback and comments and general fallout [especially here] that is going to result from their idiotic decisions and actions unless they want to insist that they are removed as well ?
Cant they see that this is all going to blow up in their face ?? [it already has]
Its like they have come first in a shooting themselves in the foot competition.
Breach of contract or not firing Micheal was over the top when a warning would have been sufficient.
Finally @CraveNoir i would have refused to take the blog down and i would have told them to go fuck themselves and if they want it taken down they should remove ALL blogs and websites showing identical material as yours instead of their stupid knee jerk lets make an example reaction.
Who ever is responsible for this decision should be ashamed of themselves.
D I C K H E A D S ::) ::)
And i know they will be reading this thread and if there was any problem with this thread and the disclosures on it then Rebellion and DNA should have addressed the problem way before it ever got to this stage.
Guys, please..
I'm upset it ended this way, however rules are rules, and I bent and broke them.
My silencing did not come from production per se, but from my direct superior after a talk with the producers, it was decided I no longer comment on the production. I had one or two official supporters of my commentary, who I shall not name, who can unfortunately only do so much, as shit proverbially rolls down hill.
While I'm gutted to no longer officially be part of this, I still stand behind everything that has been achieved so far, and feel this movie will indeed do Dredd justice. In all fairness, my involvement was coming to an end, if not already (I had no official end date), it just ended sooner rather than later.
I harbour no grudges towards DNA, Rena or the distributors and financiers, as they were well within their right to make this decision.
What a shame..enjoyed your little snippets Michael..didn't do any harm at all PR wise
Like someone said earlier..the comments before you arrived were less than impressed/neutral and you turned that around with your positive buzz and enthusiasm for the film in general
I think they have not only dropped a massive bollock in taking you off the project..but also missed a trick in using you as an 'under the radar' leak to keep the fans like us happy
You seem a very amicable chap and have conducted yourself well on here
I wish you well for the future
Action speaks louder than words here guys.
Whilst not agreeing with all the work done , Michael was undoubtedly a fine Ambassador for the project, and to react the way they have is beyond pathetic..
#S0..Here is THEIR DIRECT EMAIL AND TEL NO
info@dnafilms.com
Tel No 020 78434410
A few hundred calls should get the ball rolling... :D
And to nip assumption in the bud, the C&D didn't come from DNA. It came from IMG. Heavy-handed? Perhaps, but I respect the neccesary actions that must be taken to protect legal agreements and ownerships as LadyCrave assesses legal cases for the Ombudsman (she IS the Law!), and I have had an education on legalise over the years.
Quote from: Teivion on 13 January, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
SBT:
I'd love to- but to put it in a nut shell I'd like to be considered for work by DNA should a Dredd sequel ever happen- so if this is what they are like, then I need to mind my P's and Q's. :-X
I think Crave would probably know, if he's still on the ball ;-)
A cryptic clue would be
Never Let Harry Potter 7 Go
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 13 January, 2011, 01:33:41 PM
Action speaks louder than words here guys.
Whilst not agreeing with all the work done , Michael was undoubtedly a fine Ambassador for the project, and to react the way they have is beyond pathetic..
#S0..Here is THEIR DIRECT EMAIL AND TEL NO
info@dnafilms.com
Tel No 020 78434410
A few hundred calls should get the ball rolling... :D
All is forgiven you Negative Nancy Sherman!!! :lol:
I was waiting for that information. :)
IM Global Information in relation to the Blog
info@imglobalfilm.com
Tel. No. 1(323)657 5354
I'd rather you didn't, guys.. Appreciated, but I'm in enough trouble as it is..
Guys, tempting as it is, I'm not sure that you could do anything but cause further trouble for Michaelvk.
I'm sending an email to IM Gobal in response to the order on the Dredd Movie Blog.
I will respect your request regards DNA Michaelvk and I won't email them regarding your situation although through gritted teeth. :|
Quote from: SneakeeX on 13 January, 2011, 02:01:08 PM
I'm sending an email to IM Gobal in response to the order on the Dredd Movie Blog.
I will respect your request regards DNA Michaelvk and I won't email them regarding your situation although through gritted teeth. :|
^^ This.
Any complaints made should be directly in relation to any takedown orders regarding the blog (as opposed to CoDs on specific posts, which is par for the course), not Michaelvk's situation.
And, thanks, Michaelvk, for your nuggets of insight and general conduct on the board. I hope if you're in any way a 2000 AD fan or convert, you'll stick around.
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 13 January, 2011, 08:59:42 AM
Crave- that's a darn shame. From what I've seen on the blog there is nothing to warrant that kind of attitude towards you.
MichaelVK- hope you manage to stay around and thanks for being a voice on the inside.
Seconded
Thanks for all your input Michael your the man.
As for Dredd 3d's PR monkeys you can go jump off a 900 storey city block.
Lets back MInty, their film looks like a better and more truthful interpretation of the Dredd we know and love.
`Future now`,...my arse!
Quote from: dracula1 on 13 January, 2011, 02:21:26 PM
Thanks for all your input Michael your the man.
As for Dredd 3d's PR monkeys you can go jump off a 900 storey city block.
Lets back MInty, their film looks like a better and more truthful interpretation of the Dredd we know and love.
`Future now`,...my arse!
Y'see, it's EXACTLY comments like that which mean opinions of fan communities are so easily dismissed.
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 January, 2011, 01:53:52 PM
Guys, tempting as it is, I'm not sure that you could do anything but cause further trouble for Michaelvk.
I agree too...
Quote from: The Chief of Sector 301 on 13 January, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 13 January, 2011, 02:21:26 PM
Thanks for all your input Michael your the man.
As for Dredd 3d's PR monkeys you can go jump off a 900 storey city block.
Lets back MInty, their film looks like a better and more truthful interpretation of the Dredd we know and love.
`Future now`,...my arse!
Y'see, it's EXACTLY comments like that which mean opinions of fan communities are so easily dismissed.
Don't see anything there I particularly disagree with.
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 January, 2011, 02:27:19 PM
Don't see anything there I particularly disagree with.
Er, that's completely beside the point. To take issue with something is fine, but to attack the production company and then suggest fans back another endeavour INSTEAD ... that's just unnecessarily over-the-top.
So... no Anderson pic then?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 January, 2011, 01:50:46 PM
I'd rather you didn't, guys.. Appreciated, but I'm in enough trouble as it is..
Hold your powder folks. This is not the time to slag off the Film makers who are making the
DREDD film.
Obviously I feel that
Michaelvk has been hard done by but we ain't producing a multi million dollar movie- DNA and Co
are so grim though this news is making life unhappy for the film makers is not the way to go.
I think we got a fair run with someone on the Set happy to share with us some snippets of info that turned out to be far more priviledged than we imagined. We'll have to call it quits and say again a big thank you to
Michaelvk.
I wonder if John Wagner will talk about what he sees on set, on his Facebook page when he gets back. Or will they tell him to stop writing Dredd!
Right from the crappy photos, the ice cream van etc down, this has had a bad vibe to it. They couldn't even get the uniform right, unlike Minty. Minty seems to be doing this all a lot better on obviously a MUCH smaller budget. I am not at all surprised at this recent development. I'm sorry but it has the fingerprints of bad quality all over it from the script down. It's a shame as it really is a missed opportunity. I'd love to see a decent Dredd film, but this isn't it.
To suggest fans shouldn't be jumping ship and backing Minty is just unnecessarily over-the-top... Minty looks far more faithful to the original than this.
Minty certainly has far superior casting...
M@
Quote from: minus on 13 January, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
To suggest fans shouldn't be jumping ship and backing Minty is just unnecessarily over-the-top... Minty looks far more faithful to the original than this.
Seriously, that's your counter-argument?
Quote from: minus on 13 January, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
It's a shame as it really is a missed opportunity. I'd love to see a decent Dredd film, but this isn't it.
HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET!!!
Sorry for shouting but can't you see that this is a ridiculous statement???
Quote from: Goaty on 13 January, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 January, 2011, 01:53:52 PM
Guys, tempting as it is, I'm not sure that you could do anything but cause further trouble for Michaelvk.
I agree too...
Indeed.
I imagine turning up the heat under this situation will only make things more difficult for those involved.
Please, don't use Minty as a stick to bash the official film with - it's their money after all.
Cheers,
Steve
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 13 January, 2011, 03:03:39 PM
I wonder if John Wagner will talk about what he sees on set, on his Facebook page when he gets back. Or will they tell him to stop writing Dredd!
Jeez and I asked him to take photos. :o
To everyone on here who is on John Wagner's FacebookIt's prob better not to mention what's going on here to him on his Facebook page, we don't want to be giving John a bad vibe before he goes. I would want him to go as a neutral and enjoy the experience at least.
I hope he doesn't come across this thread.
So everyone keep silent about this on his page and no PM's to him on the both the blog and Michaelvk situations. :-X
Quote from: minus on 13 January, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
To suggest fans shouldn't be jumping ship and backing Minty is just unnecessarily over-the-top... Minty looks far more faithful to the original than this.
I'm sorry but that's like comparing apples and oranges, like a child's silly playground game of "I'm not in you gang anymore".
Quote from: SneakeeX on 13 January, 2011, 03:11:29 PM
To everyone on here who is on John Wagner's Facebook
It's prob better not to mention what's going on here to him on his Facebook page, we don't want to be giving John a bad vibe before he goes. I would want him to go as a neutral and enjoy the experience at least.
I hope he doesn't come across this thread.
So everyone :-X about this on his page and no PM's to him on the blog and Michaelvk situations.
John Wagner's a grown man, not a kid who still believes in
Santy.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 03:13:46 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 13 January, 2011, 03:11:29 PM
To everyone on here who is on John Wagner's Facebook
It's prob better not to mention what's going on here to him on his Facebook page, we don't want to be giving John a bad vibe before he goes. I would want him to go as a neutral and enjoy the experience at least.
I hope he doesn't come across this thread.
So everyone :-X about this on his page and no PM's to him on the blog and Michaelvk situations.
John Wagner's a grown man, not a kid who still believes in Santy.
I understand what you are saying and although I'm angry at the situation like many others but the situation could easily spiral further out of control if someone decides to put it to the creator for "ALL" to see. It could get messy. Better to keep the matter within the realm of the forum at least. Besides there is no active moderator on his page to knock off stupid comments to him.
Damn, I'm getting no work being done by me today :-\
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 03:13:46 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 13 January, 2011, 03:11:29 PM
To everyone on here who is on John Wagner's Facebook
It's prob better not to mention what's going on here to him on his Facebook page, we don't want to be giving John a bad vibe before he goes. I would want him to go as a neutral and enjoy the experience at least.
I hope he doesn't come across this thread.
So everyone :-X about this on his page and no PM's to him on the blog and Michaelvk situations.
John Wagner's a grown man, not a kid who still believes in Santy.
Soap, he was just trying to be helpful.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 13 January, 2011, 03:18:55 PM
John Wagner's a grown man, not a kid who still believes in Santy.
I understand what you are saying and although I'm angry at the situation like many others but the situation could easily spiral further out of control if someone decides to put it to the creator for "ALL" to see. It could be messey.
Don't insult Mr. Wagner's intelligence. He can choose to ignore any comment just like he can choose to read this thread or not. He knows how to use a computer too.
What... because I prefer one interpretation over the other it's now a child's game? Just take a look at the Minty blog and compare images. Is the 'kid' and 'child' thing your new theme for today?
Quote from: minus on 13 January, 2011, 03:21:50 PM
What... because I prefer one interpretation over the other it's now a child's game? Just take a look at the Minty blog and compare images. Is the 'kid' and 'child' thing your new theme for today?
One's an official 2 hour feature film -we have seen practically nothing of- and the other's an enthusiastic fan's 15 minute pet project, a labour of love but not the same. Both incomplete at present too. You were also requesting we back one over the other, why, can we not see how they end up as, maybe like both? You can't compare 2 different animals, let's have some perspective. Tit for tat is not a answer, fans are too fickle.
Time to lock this thread and move on...?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 13 January, 2011, 03:18:55 PM
John Wagner's a grown man, not a kid who still believes in Santy.
I understand what you are saying and although I'm angry at the situation like many others but the situation could easily spiral further out of control if someone decides to put it to the creator for "ALL" to see. It could be messey.
Don't insult Mr. Wagner's intelligence. He can choose to ignore any comment just like he can choose to read this thread or not. He knows how to use a computer too.
As opposed to what??? Posting this thread on his FB and waiting for his answer on the matter?? I just don't want some pissed off idiot putting it on his page when at least there is no "white elephant in the room" to ignore.
John in all his honesty would end up responding to it if you do follow his page, be aware that DNA and IM Global could be gauging his response on FB when he goes over.
If that is put to him before hand...he's no longer fully neutral and I'm not sure if the companies would be happy in that regard.
Quote from: radiator on 13 January, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
Time to lock this thread and move on...?
Agreed, though it *does* act like a lightning conductor, keeping the rest of the forum (relatively) movie free ...
Quote from: The Chief of Sector 301 on 13 January, 2011, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 January, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
Time to lock this thread and move on...?
Agreed, though it *does* act like a lightning conductor, keeping the rest of the forum (relatively) movie free ...
Sad situation..but understandable. Main reason why I came on 2000adonline...for the movie news thread and came from realms of just reading the comics since 1990.
Quote from: radiator on 13 January, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
Time to lock this thread and move on...?
Now we have a whole forum area for it rather than one thread in announcements, you are probably right. Lets lock this and let threads grow naturally in the new space made for them.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 03:13:46 PM
John Wagner's a grown man, not a kid who still believes in Santy.
Hey, don't bring Santy into this- he's always done right by me.
Quote from: James Stacey on 13 January, 2011, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 January, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
Time to lock this thread and move on...?
Now we have a whole forum area for it rather than one thread in announcements, you are probably right. Lets lock this and let threads grow naturally in the new space made for them.
Inclined to agree.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 13 January, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
Don't insult Mr. Wagner's intelligence. He can choose to ignore any comment just like he can choose to read this thread or not. He knows how to use a computer too.
As opposed to what??? Posting this thread on his FB and waiting for his answer on the matter?? I just don't want some pissed off idiot putting it on his page when at least there is no "white elephant in the room" to ignore.
John in all his honesty would end up responding to it if you do follow his page, be aware that DNA and IM Global could be gauging his response on FB when he goes over.
If that is put to him before hand...he's no longer fully neutral and I'm not sure if the companies would be happy in that regard.
No one has posted anything on his facebook and nothing you or I can do can stop it if they want to. Idiots will continue to do stupid things, John can respond or not like he has always done, no point second guessing what he will think or do. His page is open to anyone, he chooses to add or not. He's old enough and diplomatic enough to know what's best for him.
Whether it's locked or not, let's just move on, maybe as there will be no new news for a while, we could discuss how we think the film will do and play out with the current info.
Whether or not the blurry pic we first got was 'marketing genius', I hope the people who put it out there* read some of these recent posts, so they might realize they have gone a bit overboard. But then again, we have gone overboard aswell.
*the people who put it out there being the P.R people I gathered from this conversation. I might be wrong.
This thread has had a life of it's own for a while now, just another trough, peaks will follow.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 03:45:12 PM
This thread has had a life of it's own for a while now, just another trough, peaks will follow.
Agreed.
Overreaction. That's what this thread's all about. Yup.
Sarcasm?
I would suggest- and it's just a suggestion mind- that we all calm the fuck down.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 January, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
I would suggest- and it's just a suggestion mind- that we all calm the fuck down.
I agree too! well, my voice of reason maybe not enough here as some of you not know me, but just calm down, and it only discussion.
Calm down!
(http://willthef1journo.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/calm-down-calm-down.jpg)
Wow, I seem to have missed all this when it hit the fan. Don't see why anyone would take issue with DNA or with the production in general for clamping down on the flow of information. I've been under NDA's for projects that people were clamouring for info and details about, and it's pretty frustrating not being able to answer any questions about it but at the end of the day there will be plans for how certain details are to be made available as part of the promotion. The last game studio I worked for were absolute masters at trickling information out at just the right rate and with just the right timing to get people salivating, and if one of us had let anything slip it would have spoiled that.
I don't think anything Michaelvk posted would damage the movie in any way, but I'd imagine the PR dept. had some kind of weird tactical reasons for not outing Lena Headey yet, and the info coming out here obviously forced their hand. Whether the breach of NDA genuinely is damaging or not doesn't even matter, they can't be seen to not be enforcing it. It's a shame that someone lost their job, but it'd be mad to let that taint your view of the production at all.
Quote from: Goaty on 13 January, 2011, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 January, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
I would suggest- and it's just a suggestion mind- that we all calm the fuck down.
I agree too! well, my voice of reason maybe not enough here as some of you not know me, but just calm down, and it only discussion.
Calm down!
Agreed!
so about these Star Wars prequels...
hahaha :D
Cough* Phantom menace is the best star wars film by far* cough
Thankfully I joke.
I hope Sugar Puffs don't close my blog down tomorrow >:(
Should that spoiler-friendly thread that was started be moved to this section?
SBT
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
so about these Star Wars prequels...
Saw it on ITV a week or two ago and I didn't think it was that bad.
Well, Queen Amidala (?) did have some rather painfull dialogue, but apart from that its alright. I actually thought Liam Neeson made a great Jedi.
Okay, and Jar Jar Binks sucked...but you knew that already.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
so about these Star Wars prequels...
This plainly constitutes bullying. Of me.
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 January, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
so about these Star Wars prequels...
This plainly constitutes bullying. Of me.
I hereby relieve you of your prequel responsibilities. Go forth and stultify.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
so about these Star Wars prequels...
We covered this in another thread. It was unanimously decided that the prequels are the most awful abominations ever filmed.
UNANIMOUSLY.
It never hurts to keep saying it.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 13 January, 2011, 05:03:13 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
so about these Star Wars prequels...
We covered this in another thread. It was unanimously decided that the prequels are the most awful abominations ever filmed.
UNANIMOUSLY.
I'd rather watch a Star Wars prequel than Candyman 3.
Candyman 2 was alright, but the third.... :(
Quote from: The Chief of Sector 301 on 13 January, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 13 January, 2011, 02:21:26 PM
Thanks for all your input Michael your the man.
As for Dredd 3d's PR monkeys you can go jump off a 900 storey city block.
Lets back MInty, their film looks like a better and more truthful interpretation of the Dredd we know and love.
`Future now`,...my arse!
Y'see, it's EXACTLY comments like that which mean opinions of fan communities are so easily dismissed.
There are good opinions and bad opinions and i dont discriminate on the basis that it was an opinion of a fan and opinions of non fans shouldnt be held in higher regard because you get just as much nonsense written by them as well.
As for this thread being an overreaction its a reflection of the overreaction involved in the firing of Micheal and i would rather see an overreaction than not much of a reaction as it shows that the those who overreact are passionate about the film and its production.
Good point about the reaction and passion thing peter, anywho, I bought the issue of Total Film that claims to have first info about Dredd and the first pic of Karl Urban. Just what has been covered here, still, it's nice to know that it is already getting coverage by a big magazine. Let's just hope in a year or so when I buy and issue and turn the pages the review reads 4 or 5 stars.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 13 January, 2011, 05:13:57 PM
As for this thread being an overreaction its a reflection of the overreaction involved in the firing of Micheal and i would rather see an overreaction than not much of a reaction as it shows that the those who overreact are passionate about the film and its production.
The overreaction leading to the overreaction is part of the overreaction I was referring to, along with all the other overreaction prior to that about other things, which I won't go into because it'll only lead to more overreaction by people overreacting.
Or something.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 13 January, 2011, 05:34:15 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 13 January, 2011, 05:13:57 PM
As for this thread being an overreaction its a reflection of the overreaction involved in the firing of Micheal and i would rather see an overreaction than not much of a reaction as it shows that the those who overreact are passionate about the film and its production.
The overreaction leading to the overreaction is part of the overreaction I was referring to, along with all the other overreaction prior to that about other things, which I won't go into because it'll only lead to more overreaction by people overreacting.
Or something.
I think your overreacting now. :D
Fucking Jar Jar..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 January, 2011, 05:55:23 PM
Fucking Jar Jar..
:D It's been a day for you man!
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/ (http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/)
DEAD :thumbsdown:
Well, It is the 13th.
:thumbsdown:
Is this the wrong place to say I massively enjoyed about 98% of Revenge of The Sith?
Can't see why a fansite would get shut down just for collating news that was already out there, maybe they want the domain name or something?
Quote from: Banners on 13 January, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
Minty certainly has far superior casting...
M@
I agree with that. :D
Ahem...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iYuYJNJ09RUJ:www.judgedreddmovienews.com/
>:D
Meh.. Clearly I had it coming.. The annoying thing is I've got nothing to talk about now. I've only got one 'best of Dredd' book.. And doesn't it just figure that the floppy eared buffoon is the catalyst for the galactic fall..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 January, 2011, 06:16:05 PM
And doesn't it just figure that the floppy eared buffoon is the catalyst for the galactic fall..
Well, its always the ones you least expect...
Kinda like Ewoks.
Crap news Mike. Thanks for putting up with us and fuelling ENTHUSIASM for the new film. You've turned some hardcore fans from sceptical naysayers to supporters and PROMOTED THE FILM admirably.
Good luck on the next project.
Talk about shooting yourself square in the arse, what a PR howler.
Fucking Ewoks..
Roll on outcasts season 2..
Do you still need someone to tape (or digital equivalent) Outcasts for you, Michael?
Cheers
Steve
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 January, 2011, 07:43:10 PM
Do you still need someone to tape (or digital equivalent) Outcasts for you, Michael?
Cheers
Steve
That's very kind of you, but I've got the folks on it. Provided they ever decide to air it.. Should've already been on telly..
No worries - not sure when it's airing over here.
It has been trailed, but there's no sign of it for at least two weeks according to the online schedules.
Sometimes happens, series just seem to go AWOL.
(http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/comics/2011-01-13-seesomething.gif)
Seems weirdly appropriate at this moment.
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Hi, I'm a first time poster but long time forum reader (and Prog 1 buyer) and have followed this thread from the beginning. Just want to throw my tuppence worth in and say a big thanks to Michaelvk. It kept this thread alive and gave a fascinating insight to the movie biz. Cheers Michael and hope all goes well.
Whoah. the shit really hit the fan today.
Shame our source has been made an (extremely unfair) example of, but we are all to blame for pushing you for info.
Will miss all your little snippets Michael, you have been an asset to the site. Don't be a stranger.
Now we will have to tap into someone else from the set for info.
V
Michaelvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSdKmX2BH7o&ob=av3el
I was thinking about the @Cravenoir website business and i am curious about what basis IMG can file a C+D order ?
As i am aware IMG dont have any claims of ownership/copyright over any of the material in your blog so therefore they have no basis whatsoever to file a C+D order at all as nothing has been infringed concerning IMG.
This is very odd :-\ but it would be good to have some more specific info about the claims being made by IMG.
If they dont have any claims on copyright of the content of the blog then are they acting on the authority of/on behalf of the owners of the copyright ??
That would be an odd arrangement in itself as why pay a PR firm to be your agent concerning legal matters ?
The bad news is the production company/film studio could claim their ownership/copyright is being infringed and they can be selective/arbritiary about who they decide to file C+D orders to and its not a defence to say they are doing it so why cant we ?
The fact there is a disclaimer present on every page isnt of any help if it concerns copyright/intellectual property issues at all unfortunately but yours was addressing association rather than copyright anyway.
Also the claim made by IMG about the suggestion of association is a bit more difficult to deny mainly because there is a direct association with this forum and the content here BUT that does NOT prove there is an actual association with the production because really there isnt at all.There has to be a provable association which there isnt and sharing info that was/is freely available online does not constitute an association and any association to Micheal ["the production" to quote IMG] via this forum which is what is being implied is tenuous/insubstantial.
There is no credit or acknowledgement of the source on your wesbite either or not that i can see but it seems like the blog has been partly disabled but i wouldnt have disabled it if it was my website until the above points were made clear.
Win on association and lose on copyright unfortunately unless there is anything that can be done within the terms of Fair Use.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 13 January, 2011, 11:13:20 PM
I was thinking about the @Cravenoir website business and i am curious about what basis IMG can file a C+D order ?
Anyone can file a C&D order - I suspect I could have made a reasonable stab at taking down CN's site without having any official connection beyond doing some housekeeping here (not that I did). Fire a C+D off to the website host and they usually yank the site without even bothering to investigate as that costs them money, more so if lawyers get involved.
Well sounds to me that its all a little farcical in the cold light of day. :o
Any publicity is good publicity, I was involved in creating a both a Star Wars based website many moons ago and a Star Wars Modification (http://www.fsmod.com (http://www.fsmod.com)) and halfway through this mod LucasArts having seen it thought it could impact on their BattleFront game but the LA devs had decided we projected the Star Wars Universe in a good way. Luckily after a little bit of wrangling we got the green light, however and this is my point most of what was on Craves site was public domain anyways, the editorial was positive to the core, reflected the Movie in a good light with its content and what little speculation was present was purely conjecture on his behalf it wasnt negative at all.
If we follow this line of C+D then thats surely most Blogs and Fansites would be removed period. Whos to say this forum hasnt warranted a C+D.
What is even more baffling is that the official 2000AD tumblr had posted -and still do- all of Michaelvk's pictures, all the leaked set spy pictures and the helmet sculpt too. Makes no real sense taking down Crave's blog (or firing Michael) which was just collating it all in one place.
http://2000adonline.tumblr.com/
Just want to say a massive thank you to Michael, you have been a major asset to the board. Don't be a stranger and feel free to visit us at any time.
Quote from: Emperor on 13 January, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 13 January, 2011, 11:13:20 PM
I was thinking about the @Cravenoir website business and i am curious about what basis IMG can file a C+D order ?
Anyone can file a C&D order - I suspect I could have made a reasonable stab at taking down CN's site without having any official connection beyond doing some housekeeping here (not that I did). Fire a C+D off to the website host and they usually yank the site without even bothering to investigate as that costs them money, more so if lawyers get involved.
Yes.
The majority of people will take the path of least resistance especially if they think of expense.
You are right about anyone being able to file a C+D letter but its a bit of an odd set up because whoever files the C+D letter has to ultimately be able to file a lawsuit on behalf of someone else whos copyright they are asserting and be prepared to pay for it as well :-\ :-\ especially if they threatened legal action.
That has never made any sense to me at all but there is no reason why they cant if they want to but its bizarre to want to do it and unlikely that they actually will go that far.
Since the majority who get C+D letters fold and remove the offending material they are a form of intimidation.
[I hope isnt long winded or boring or unwelcome but i was thinking about this earlier and i like trying to work out legal matters and it was something interesting to think about for a bit]
Legal threats or costs are happily not of any concern. I have ready access to good legal advice, and took it. I was amused by the C&D when I first read it, and still am.
In spite of the legal department's stern view I'm proud that I never posted half of the things I could have, and didn't spend much time on the look of the thing -- good old brutal funtionality will never let you down! :)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 11:38:06 PM
What is even more baffling is that the official 2000AD tumblr had posted -and still do- all of Michaelvk's pictures, all the leaked set spy pictures and the helmet sculpt too. Makes no real sense taking down Crave's blog (or firing Michael) which was just collating it all in one place.
http://2000adonline.tumblr.com
But it might not do that for long
The aggregator droid is a simple creation, passing on 2000AD news, at least until it is told not to.
Of course, Bleeding Cool have posted on almost all these leaks so the information is already out there and I doubt it'd be as easy to get them to take it down (as these are a small part of the movie leaks and gossip they publish). I assume these moves were to stop anything else leaking out.
Also this is less about photos and gossip leaking out of the filming and more about NDAs and possible confusion over whether CN's site is official.
The marketing suits know what's best!
Slightly disgusted but thanks, Crave and Michael. Unlike certain other people you've actually generated interest in this film. Time for The Long Walk™ for your crimes though.
Quote from: Emperor on 14 January, 2011, 01:47:30 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2011, 11:38:06 PM
What is even more baffling is that the official 2000AD tumblr had posted -and still do- all of Michaelvk's pictures, all the leaked set spy pictures and the helmet sculpt too. Makes no real sense taking down Crave's blog (or firing Michael) which was just collating it all in one place.
http://2000adonline.tumblr.com
But it might not do that for long
The aggregator droid is a simple creation, passing on 2000AD news, at least until it is told not to.
Of course, Bleeding Cool have posted on almost all these leaks so the information is already out there and I doubt it'd be as easy to get them to take it down (as these are a small part of the movie leaks and gossip they publish). I assume these moves were to stop anything else leaking out.
Also this is less about photos and gossip leaking out of the filming and more about NDAs and possible confusion over whether CN's site is official.
I think that its also sour grapes and vindictiveness on the part of IMG because they didnt like the fact that Lena Headeys involvement was indirectly and directly announced here as thats where it all started and i have to say that although i didnt say so at the time as soon as i read that i just got a feeling it was game over.I just thought that something is going to happen.....
IMG must have been really annoyed that they dont have an exclusive break over announcing Lena Headey anymore and they didnt like it that someone else went over their heads.
Its funny that its splashed all over this thread now and elsewhere online and there is nothing they can do about it.
:lol:
What is missing from the prequels is, the droid Shakespeare. Shakespearean droid, whatever.
I want to say thanks to the guy too,i pummped him for info on FB so i sorta feel a little guilty.
Thanks mate,sorry you got busted ;)
Been away for a couple of days and all shit breaks loose!
Really sorry to hear about you being let go from the production Michael! Always a source of interesting information and you clearly had great enthusiasm towards the production.
Your tidbits and updates will be missed.
Hope this regrettable outcome hasn't put you off seeing the film and all the best for the future.
As for these individuals calling for a boycott? You seriously need to get a reality check and get over yourselves.
Wow. Not a regular viewer of this thread but just happened to have a look now and this is all very surprising. I don't even know who this Lena Heady is!!!! Most go google.
This reminds me of the projectionist guy who lost his job after blogging a review of Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer before it went on general release. He had to watch the movie to make sure the reel they received was good, then he went and reviewed it before opening day. All kinds of crap ensued and he lost his job as well.
Gotta be careful with these things.
Quote from: Van Dom on 14 January, 2011, 12:11:03 PM
I don't even know who this Lena Heady is!!!! Most go google.
Me too. Not because I don't know who she is, just because it's fun.
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Quote from: Van Dom on 14 January, 2011, 12:11:03 PM
I don't even know who this Lena Heady is!!!! Most go google.
Me too. Not because I don't know who she is, just because it's fun.
Good God man it is!!!! I've been googling her for the past half hour and I'll be googling her a lot from now on!!
You'll be googling yourself.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 14 January, 2011, 12:49:49 PM
You'll be googling yourself.
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
You'll go blind doing that...
Quote from: Gavin_Leahy on 13 January, 2011, 11:56:14 PM
Just want to say a massive thank you to Michael, you have been a major asset to the board. Don't be a stranger and feel free to visit us at any time.
I second that, your pic's and snippets of info have been greatly appreciated, sorry to hear you have been removed from the project and wish you well for the future!
jeez you go off for a couple a days...sorry mate for the bad luck .we just have to wait for some official snippets from some suit who probably hasnt a clue about dredd and the world ...in fact i'm surprised dna or whoever hasnt ceased and desisted rebellion for allowing this thread to continue and making its own bit section!!!
the crave noir blog thing is just silly as others have pointed out the stuff is widely available so why pick on him?
seems daft to alienate the existing fanbase
Quote from: mogzilla on 14 January, 2011, 06:18:14 PM
seems daft to alienate the existing fanbase
Maybe that's the point. The Film makers have their
own vision of
Judge Dredd inspired by the comic but not necessarily following the comics storylines. They have to appeal too as wide an audience base as they can so upsetting us here on the forum is probably the least of their concerns.
We here on the
2000AD forums are a fairly faithful and loyal crew [are we not?] but we're not the world and can be blissfully ignored if deemed necessary. Sorry folks it's their film, their money [well investors]etc
Shooting one employee to encourage others not to transgress the 'Law' could almost be a judgement by
Judge Dredd himself but it certainly seems pretty harsh. No written warning just execution.
I think you'll find with more filming to come there will be little if any news till TPTB decide it's promotion time. Then it will probably be
thrill factor overload but not until then. :-\
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Quote from: mogzilla on 14 January, 2011, 06:18:14 PM
seems daft to alienate the existing fanbase
Maybe that's the point. The Film makers have their own vision of Judge Dredd inspired by the comic but not necessarily following the comics storylines. They have to appeal too as wide an audience base as they can so upsetting us here on the forum is probably the least of their concerns.
I don't see how alienating in-built viewers with such silly tactics could be part of any sane business plan. They want to attract as many viewers as possible not ditch one group for another. Such tactics can only spread
bad word and create a negative vibe about films in production especially when a mass audience are all ready indifferent to a property like
Dredd. It's not a good vision to have so I don't think that's the reason which is really about property image control by the PR company rather than divide and conquer.
The claim has been staked. They are telling us who is running the show.
They're not sane. They're arch-capitalists. Film making isn't art. Film making is a business and it is the business side that drives things in Hollywood. Europeans delude themselves films are art but in Hollywood art is really just another word for money.
It's also the reason we don't have a proper film industry here any more. We make stuff for people but the profit largely goes elsewhere.
Enough of my ranting sorry to hear about Michealvk. Seems a harsh sentence. But at least it's not Titan.
fannies bawbags and to quote another epic film FREEEEEEEDOM.OK maybe no in dredds world,but ON HERE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM :lol:
Us fans are so fickle. I'll miss the Dredd Movie News site but The funny thing is, the moment the first trailer for the film arrives and it kicks ass, its gonna be like mass amnesia. No-one will remember any of this happened.
I will. I am like the elephant.
Except...not grey.
Totally spugs that someone lost their job following their contributing to this board. My sympathies go to Michealvk. I assumed the bigwigs were aware of what was being said and shown.
And a real shame that Crave 'Wikileaks' Noir had to take some heat.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 14 January, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 14 January, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 14 January, 2011, 06:18:14 PM
seems daft to alienate the existing fanbase
Maybe that's the point. The Film makers have their own vision of Judge Dredd inspired by the comic but not necessarily following the comics storylines. They have to appeal too as wide an audience base as they can so upsetting us here on the forum is probably the least of their concerns.
I don't see how alienating in-built viewers with such silly tactics could be part of any sane business plan.
Just a theory, but maybe they didn't think that it would alienate anyone? I certainly don't feel alienated and can't for the life of me see a reason why anyone else would.
I guess this thread now needs to be renamed-
Re: EXCLUSIVE - FIRST -and last-STILL FROM DREDD!
It's PC(protective copyright) gone mad I tells ya!
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 15 January, 2011, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 14 January, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 14 January, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 14 January, 2011, 06:18:14 PM
seems daft to alienate the existing fanbase
Maybe that's the point. The Film makers have their own vision of Judge Dredd inspired by the comic but not necessarily following the comics storylines. They have to appeal too as wide an audience base as they can so upsetting us here on the forum is probably the least of their concerns.
I don't see how alienating in-built viewers with such silly tactics could be part of any sane business plan.
Just a theory, but maybe they didn't think that it would alienate anyone? I certainly don't feel alienated and can't for the life of me see a reason why anyone else would.
i was mainly thinking of crave's blog being put to sleep but also they should have let michael continue to post snippets even if they said what could or couldnt be shown especially as the first exclusive still showed the helmet and gun anything else he showed us was filler are we really going to see that fruit stall in a slo mo close up paaning over every bit of fan wank grffitti a la the enterprise in star trek the motion picture? doubt it,ok he broke a rule by his own admission but dna have over reacted i feel and if it is more about the "leak" of lena heady's involvement theyre pissed off about then again over reaction. i didnt know the name and wasnt over wowed when i heard it was the 300 queen but then again i was hoping for kirstie alley
Yeah I agree Mogzilla it's mean all around but as JOE SOAP said they're showing us who runs the show. Can't help feeling slighted somehow even though the Film makers seem to have the best intentions regarding DREDD.
Quote from: mogzilla on 15 January, 2011, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 15 January, 2011, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 14 January, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 14 January, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 14 January, 2011, 06:18:14 PM
seems daft to alienate the existing fanbase
Maybe that's the point. The Film makers have their own vision of Judge Dredd inspired by the comic but not necessarily following the comics storylines. They have to appeal too as wide an audience base as they can so upsetting us here on the forum is probably the least of their concerns.
I don't see how alienating in-built viewers with such silly tactics could be part of any sane business plan.
Just a theory, but maybe they didn't think that it would alienate anyone? I certainly don't feel alienated and can't for the life of me see a reason why anyone else would.
i was mainly thinking of crave's blog being put to sleep but also they should have let michael continue to post snippets even if they said what could or couldnt be shown especially as the first exclusive still showed the helmet and gun anything else he showed us was filler are we really going to see that fruit stall in a slo mo close up paaning over every bit of fan wank grffitti a la the enterprise in star trek the motion picture? doubt it,ok he broke a rule by his own admission but dna have over reacted i feel and if it is more about the "leak" of lena heady's involvement theyre pissed off about then again over reaction. i didnt know the name and wasnt over wowed when i heard it was the 300 queen but then again i was hoping for kirstie alley
Yeah, but the release of that kind of stuff is controlled for a reason, and the fact that even on this thread some people have made judgements on the movie and on design choices based on some out of context leaked photos is a perfect example of why people working on projects like that are contracted to keep things secret. As much as we all enjoyed seeing the snippets and getting the insight (I was just as excited as anyone else whenever Michaelvk had something new to add, and do feel bad for the guy) it's hardly a monstrous injustice to let someone go for breaching the terms of their contract.
With Cravenoir's blog it did initially strike me as a bit senseless, but thinking about it it's probably just to avoid confusion when they start their own hype site. Despite disclaimers I'm sure plenty of people looking for info on the movie might wind up there instead of at the eventual official site.
Control is what this is all about. You can understand why but it seems harsh when even friendly forces like CraveNoir's Blog gets vaped. I'm sure the Movie makers would tell you it's all for a higher purpose. I guess I'm just Man Bitching about it is all.
It's just the overkill that gets me, and an irritation that they want to have it both ways with fans.
They're happy to involve fans to the extent of supplying ideas, or borrowing costume elements to save them money and pre-production time, but then go feet first into issuing C&D orders.
At the end of the day, they're not curing AIDS - it's a low-budget sci-film - that's all.
Just a theory, but maybe they didn't think that it would alienate anyone? I certainly don't feel alienated and can't for the life of me see a reason why anyone else would.
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Surprise, surprise.New HCB President hereto nominated and seconded.
Removing the site was my action not anyone elses. It's perfectly possible that a fan site would be welcomed and supported by the makers (and when I say "makers" I'm not singling out specific companies, individuals or departments, as it's a conglomeration of many forces bound by contracts and necessarily protective of the rights pertaining to their livelihoods). I, or anyone else could approach their PR/legal and probably come to some kind of fan-site arrangement, but ra-ra-ing the film itself is less interesting to me than promoting the perception of the character, so I'm probably not the man for that job.
The project has, as we've learned, a long post-production to get through, and I can't help but think that the potential of the blog to negatively frame perception of the work, or undercut expensive PR was a concern to the makers. Not that I had any intention of doing that! The blog cost me £10. Others have a lot more at stake. There are delicate agreements between companies in place, and there'll be more to come for the purposes of publicising through the media. These things have to be protected. If an effort had been made earlier for the blog and PR (if such an aspect of the production is in any kind of formal existence) to form a relationshp then things may have been different.
When the blog began 8 months ago, we didn't know how simple or complex the story would be, who'd been cast and whether it'd be a name to bring attention, what the uniform would look like, or when and where it was being filmed. IMHO all of those things have since served to push aside the 1995 blight and raised the profile of the character, managing to do so without mangling it further in the process which is the best of Judge Dredd movie film news.
You're obviously a very sensible chap with a mature outlook, Crave Noir, and I applaud you for it.
However, as a long-time member of Star Wars fandom I do find the SpecificFilmMakingConglommerate's attitude to be a lot old-fashioned. For all their alleged megalomania Lucasfilm seem to be able to work very amicably with fan sites, and provided continuous set-reports from 'fan representatives' through the last two movies. I'm aware that there are exceptions and horror stories, and it's all very closely stage-managed courtesy of the vast resources of LFL, but that the Dredd movie's single signficant fan site was C&D'd for doing nothing more than collating and presenting available information seems very short-sighted. As noted before, my enthusiasm for the project had risen from a mixture of trepidation and apathy to an interested and largely positive engagement. Now I'm right back to 'what's this film got to do with me' territory, which was probably a useful wake-up call, but hardly the result I imagine a PR company is looking for.
Quote from: mogzilla on 15 January, 2011, 11:00:49 AM
it is more about the "leak" of lena heady's involvement theyre pissed off about then again over reaction. i didnt know the name and wasnt over wowed when i heard it was the 300 queen but then again i was hoping for kirstie alley
I shouldn't judge Lena Headey by that performance*. She can do dark and edgy too. Check her out in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. While she's still a heroic character there, she can certainly do dark and edgy. She's got the acting chops for it.
Quote from: Teivion on 15 January, 2011, 09:59:20 AM
I guess this thread now needs to be renamed-
Re: EXCLUSIVE - FIRST -and last-STILL FROM DREDD!
I think
that particular still was authorised.
Concerning Michael, I was a bit worried he would get in trouble, but then he posted a comment that gave me the impression that his manager was aware and was allowing it. A couple of days after that
this happens. Of course I know there are various levels of management, and I get the impression it's a bit like one hand not being aware of what the other is doing, as someone else posted. It certainly looks to me like it isn't entirely his fault and maybe he's being used as a bit of a scapegoat.
I wish him well and hope this doesn't negatively colour any future work. All the best, and thanks for the snippets.
This won't turn me off catching the film though. As for DNA, I don't entirely agree with their actions (although I understand it) but I won't paint them all with the same brush (dear me I'm in cliché mode today) either.
*Not that there's anything wrong with it. It's just she's playing the beautiful queen role.
Quote from: Cyber-Matt on 19 November, 2010, 05:01:01 PM
This is an exclusive shot from the new Dredd movie, taken during rehearsals, of Karl Urban wearing the iconic uniform. Enjoy!
REBOOT: so what do we think of this one and only pic of dredd film? ;)
I must reiterate that DNA acted from pressure from above. The decision to silence my commentary was a decision between my direct supervisor and producers, to ensure action was taken. I had full support from certain powers that be, who were very encouraging.
DNA are not the bad guys here. They acted in the best interest of the production.
..of course the next bloody day John Wagner shows up, apparently, so I miss meeting him..
Thanks for your support lads.. It means a lot. Thankfully I've got a few projects for the next month to keep me busy, then a bit of a break.
Quote from: Michaelvk;575808I must reiterate that DNA acted from pressure from above. The decision to silence my commentary was a decision between my direct supervisor and producers, to ensure action was taken. I had full support from certain powers that be, who were very encouraging.
DNA are not the bad guys here. They acted in the best interest of the production.
..of course the next bloody day John Wagner shows up, apparently, so I miss meeting him..
Thanks for your support lads.. It means a lot. Thankfully I've got a few projects for the next month to keep me busy, then a bit of a break.
Your welcome Michael. This may have happened because the company wanted Mr. Wagner to be involved in the up and coming reveals in some way. Did this not happen with Dave Gibbons during the Watchman production?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 January, 2011, 06:45:13 PM
I must reiterate that DNA acted from pressure from above. The decision to silence my commentary was a decision between my direct supervisor and producers, to ensure action was taken. I had full support from certain powers that be, who were very encouraging.
DNA are not the bad guys here. They acted in the best interest of the production.
We get ya Michael, it's just enforced
silence is one thing,
firing another.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 15 January, 2011, 08:18:56 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 January, 2011, 06:45:13 PM
I must reiterate that DNA acted from pressure from above. The decision to silence my commentary was a decision between my direct supervisor and producers, to ensure action was taken. I had full support from certain powers that be, who were very encouraging.
DNA are not the bad guys here. They acted in the best interest of the production.
We get ya Michael, it's just enforced silence is one thing, firing another.
PISH
Many of you will know that Karl Urban is in the forthcoming film Priest. If you watch the trailer here, you will see a grimacing Urban in action at around 2 mins 16 secs in. His mouth and chin are quite satisfyingly Dredd-like as he gives someone a good beating.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi931961625/
Not a lantern jaw as favored by many an artist, but it reminds me of the smaller but firm jaw as depicted by various artists.
Urban has stated his intention to act "with his mouth and chin". It'll be interesting to see how he goes about it.
Quote from: MattJW on 16 January, 2011, 08:16:11 PM
Many of you will know that Karl Urban is in the forthcoming film Priest. If you watch the trailer here, you will see a grimacing Urban in action at around 2 mins 16 secs in. His mouth and chin are quite satisfyingly Dredd-like as he gives someone a good beating.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi931961625/
Not a lantern jaw as favored by many an artist, but it reminds me of the smaller but firm jaw as depicted by various artists.
Urban has stated his intention to act "with his mouth and chin". It'll be interesting to see how he goes about it.
If I was Urban I'd sit down with The Dirty Harry Collection and that should teach him all he needs to know.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 16 January, 2011, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: MattJW on 16 January, 2011, 08:16:11 PM
Many of you will know that Karl Urban is in the forthcoming film Priest. If you watch the trailer here, you will see a grimacing Urban in action at around 2 mins 16 secs in. His mouth and chin are quite satisfyingly Dredd-like as he gives someone a good beating.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi931961625/
Not a lantern jaw as favored by many an artist, but it reminds me of the smaller but firm jaw as depicted by various artists.
Urban has stated his intention to act "with his mouth and chin". It'll be interesting to see how he goes about it.
If I was Urban I'd sit down with The Dirty Harry Collection and that should teach him all he needs to know.
....that, and maybe also study the cold mannerism that Yul Brynner used in "Westworld". In that role, Brynner conveyed fear almost purely with body language.
Motorbikes in Priest are pretty decent...
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1358266368/tt0822847
Michaelvk,
a number of the members here on the board felt you deserved something in recognition of your valued contribution to the forum.
I know it's been a difficult week for you, we won't go into the details of what happened as it's been done and dusted. Whether justified or not, they've lost what was a great movie fanbase liaison that steadied the nerves of many fans with great updates and information. You've turned the tide on a lot of opinions including my own. I was on the fence for a long time on the project but I'm fully on board with the reboot. In my case, I was following the thread as a long term non member and decided to join because of the thread.
Those that contributed included Steve Green, Joe Soap, Gavin Leahy, James Stacey and myself(with many more wishing they could and sending their best wishes) and figured the least you deserved out of this mess is a sub for the galaxy's greatest comic. :)
If you PM me with your contact and address details, I set up the year long subscription to 2000AD down to South Africa.
This is not a reward or sympathy thing, this just our way of saying thank you and we do care what happens to members.
I'm sure there will be a lot of messages after this to wish you well on your future projects. Now at least you have a resaon to come onto the forum to discuss next weeks prog and not on the movie.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 17 January, 2011, 09:27:39 AM
Michaelvk,
a number of the members here on the board felt you deserved something in recognition of your valued contribution to the forum.
I know it's been a difficult week for you, we won't go into the details of what happened as it's been done and dusted. Whether justified or not, they've lost what was a great movie fanbase liaison that steadied the nerves of many fans with great updates and information. You've turned the tide on a lot of opinions including my own. I was on the fence for a long time on the project but I'm fully on board with the reboot. In my case, I was following the thread as a long term non member and decided to join because of the thread.
Those that contributed included Steve Green, Joe Soap, Gavin Leahy, James Stacey and myself(with many more wishing they could and sending their best wishes) and figured the least you deserved out of this mess is a sub for the galaxy's greatest comic. :)
If you PM me with your contact and address details, I set up the year long subscription to 2000AD down to South Africa.
This is not a reward or sympathy thing, this just our way of saying thank you and we do care what happens to members.
I'm sure there will be a lot of messages after this to wish you well on your future projects. Now at least you have a resaon to come onto the forum to discuss next weeks prog and not on the movie.
Blimey that is a great gesture!
Hoorah,...what a great gesture. Enjoy the thrill powered reading experience Michael.
A great gesture indeed. I looked forward to Michael's updates and I hope things work out for him. Surely we will see his name on the end credits!
Back to Priest - I don't know what the budget is but, judging from the trailer, it looks to have a decent Mega-City vibe going on there. No doubt influenced by Dredd......
Anybody know how much Priest has cost to make? If they can achieve such a look, I have no doubt that DNA etc can create something at least as futuristic and impressive.
on John Wagner's facebook status;
QuoteJust back from the set. I wasn't able to take any photos, I'm afraid, still bound by the official secrets act, but if you want to throw any questions at me I'll answer what I can. Cape Town and surrounding country was absolutely stunning. The film occupies all four giant buildings at the new Cape Town Studios. Sets looked great - grim! Contd below...
QuoteVery pleased with what I saw of Karl Urban and Olivia Thirlby. Both excellent in their roles and work well as a team. Entire crew really dedicated and determined to produce a damned good movie. Sadly I had to leave before I could see them shooting any ultra-vi. Extremely impressed by the 3-D - apart from the demo at Universal Studios in LA, my memories were of the feeble efforts I saw as a youth. This is a real quantum leap from that, really adds depth. This is going to be good.
Was just going to post that here...
Well, that's my excitement level knocked up a notch...
Quote from: MattJW on 17 January, 2011, 02:37:53 PMAnybody know how much Priest has cost to make?
There isn't an awful lot on the budget but figures like $65 million were being bandied around. However, its release was bumped back to allow the conversion into 3D and it is still in post-production so I suspect when the final budget numbers are released it'll be quite a bit higher than that.
Quoteif you want to throw any questions at me I'll answer what I can.
Perhaps compile a few questions here to throw his way? Perhaps the ECBT2000AD chaps could then bring it all together on their blog?
Possible questions:
What do you think of the redesigned judges uniforms?
How does Anderson look?
Have you seen the Lawmasters?
That kind of thing. Mini-Hivemind interview type affair ;)
He got first 2 comments;
QuoteThat's all really great to hear, John!
You've mentioned before about meetings with DNA - did you get the impression from your visit that they have taken on board your feedback and suggestions?
Having now seen them up close, how do you think t...he uniforms, guns, sets etc compare to the 1995 versions?
Urban seems like a very down to earth guy (and he's certainly been singing your praises in interviews) - did you get to chat much?
Quotehave they done anything with the Orignal Karl Urban photo judge outfit , or have they left it ... military style ???
Quote from: Teivion on 17 January, 2011, 08:26:13 AM
Motorbikes in Priest are pretty decent...
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1358266368/tt0822847
Wheres the engine? thats a 125 at best.
From JW face book.
QuoteI saw them setting up a lot of stuff for SFX but didn't get to see the final result. While in the FX dept a huge explosion went off - practically jumped out of my skin. Max the tech trying to figure out how to explode a lawgiver without killing the actor using it!
Now this I am looking forward to.
V
:-X
Quote from: SneakeeX on 17 January, 2011, 09:27:39 AM
Michaelvk,
a number of the members here on the board felt you deserved something in recognition of your valued contribution to the forum.
I know it's been a difficult week for you, we won't go into the details of what happened as it's been done and dusted. Whether justified or not, they've lost what was a great movie fanbase liaison that steadied the nerves of many fans with great updates and information. You've turned the tide on a lot of opinions including my own. I was on the fence for a long time on the project but I'm fully on board with the reboot. In my case, I was following the thread as a long term non member and decided to join because of the thread.
Those that contributed included Steve Green, Joe Soap, Gavin Leahy, James Stacey and myself(with many more wishing they could and sending their best wishes) and figured the least you deserved out of this mess is a sub for the galaxy's greatest comic. :)
If you PM me with your contact and address details, I set up the year long subscription to 2000AD down to South Africa.
This is not a reward or sympathy thing, this just our way of saying thank you and we do care what happens to members.
I'm sure there will be a lot of messages after this to wish you well on your future projects. Now at least you have a resaon to come onto the forum to discuss next weeks prog and not on the movie.
Guys.. You rock.. What more can I say, other than thanks for having me.. (possibly lets move on now?)
I'll happily spill the beans on everything I know as soon as this thing's premiered ;) So until then..
You're welcome. Now get thee some thrillpower.
I believe Priest had a budget of around $90 million... not that this means much. From the reviews I have read, it seems like crap.
Y'know, I've got to say this...
How do you really know its crap ????
Seeing as they probably haven't even finished editing?
Enjoy.....shame Wagner came and ruined the party today with his tales from South Africa :lol:
I'll get the subscription started from Prog 2011, the Christmas Edition, that's where a lot of the current stories started up.
That's a nice gesture in return as well Michael. :)
Quote from: Teivion on 17 January, 2011, 05:53:23 PM
Y'know, I've got to say this...
How do you really know its crap ????
Seeing as they probably haven't even finished editing?
No, I haven't seen it and I doubt I will. I haven't seen a movie for years actually. Here's something I read (based on the preview) which made it sound like the usual crap we can expect from this medium:
http://www.hollywood.com/news/Priest_Trailer_Bad_CGI_and_Ugly_Vampires/7050162
Hmmmm
Shame, but I think its hard to really make a call on the trailer alone, although I will agree that the CG in I am Legend went from amazing down to really naff very quickly, esp in regards to character design/animation.
Transformers 2 was mentioned here way back- the director was already saying how the CG used in the trailer was unfinished, even after the trailer was just released !!
Anyways....
Nice gesture for MichaelVK, will but a smile on his face
You know what, I'm sick to fucking death of lazy reviews slating something based on bad cgi in a trailer.
At least he didn't pull the usual stunt of 'Meh, looks like a playstation game'
You know what, we had decades of movies with ropey matte lines, hand animated effects which looked fairly dodgy, iffy rear projection, dubious miniatures, or rubbery creatures.
They didn't necessarily ruin the film.
It's a movie about futuristic vampires... Yeah, it could be a load of crap, but from the trailer it looks like an enjoyable slice of cheese.
I'd rather have them aim high and fail honourably to be honest.
(http://www.lofg.com/specialstuff/images/ep_3_series_2/images/cap022.JPG)
I'm thinking you're a lot like these guys aren't you minus.You and that Sherman Kid. :D
oh probably... if only I knew who those people are in that picture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLEiaA3vH0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLEiaA3vH0Q)
Quote from: Steve Green on 17 January, 2011, 06:36:40 PM
You know what, I'm sick to fucking death of lazy reviews slating something based on bad cgi in a trailer.
At least he didn't pull the usual stunt of 'Meh, looks like a playstation game'
You know what, we had decades of movies with ropey matte lines, hand animated effects which looked fairly dodgy, iffy rear projection, dubious miniatures, or rubbery creatures.
They didn't necessarily ruin the film.
It's a movie about futuristic vampires... Yeah, it could be a load of crap, but from the trailer it looks like an enjoyable slice of cheese.
I'd rather have them aim high and fail honourably to be honest.
Agreed
I don't get this thing that people have nowadays with criticizing ropey C.G. I think bad C.G is a buzz word that lazy review writers who have no idea about visual effects have learned to beat bad films with. Bad film doesn't automatically mean bad C.G.
C.G is just a tool that can be used to good or bad effect to service the storyline. It doesn't matter to me if I can tell if its an effect or not. I'm not that old but I can remember watching Ray Harry Hausen films as a kid knowing how the trick was done and still enjoying them because of the artistry involved. The obvious effects sequences in the original Indiana Jones and Star Wars movies are still some of the best and most memorable visuals in cinema history in my opinion. And just compare the Medusa scene in the original Clash of the Titans to the remake. The old one is clearly stop motion, but it is used in a very effective suspenseful scene, whereas the new Medusa sequence in the remake was just shite.
What a boring bunch of movie goers we've become these days expecting to be fooled by each and every effect. I appreciate good effects as much as anyone - (Benjamin Button for e.g was for me better than Avatar) - But I first and foremost look for a good story line and judge a film as a completed product.
Is there a thread here for discussing the merits of C.G.I?
Quote from: SneakeeX on 17 January, 2011, 05:56:34 PM
Enjoy.....shame Wagner came and ruined the party today with his tales from South Africa :lol:
Missed the news, what did Johm say about his trip to South Africa? :-*
Quote from: Krombasher on 17 January, 2011, 06:39:24 PM
(http://www.lofg.com/specialstuff/images/ep_3_series_2/images/cap022.JPG)
I'm thinking you're a lot like these guys aren't you minus.You and that Sherman Kid. :D
Why are you posting a pic of your mates on day release?How unkind
I think you touched a nerve there Krom.
V
Hmmmm Mama Dredd ? Confirmed in a few places now old news to us but thought it was sharing.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/fullcredits#cast)
Alright! I get the joke now! :lol:
As for CGI, sometimes the absence of it is essential:
Mod edit: REALLY NSFW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJQsEf70Ti8&feature=fvw
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 17 January, 2011, 09:52:55 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 17 January, 2011, 05:56:34 PM
Enjoy.....shame Wagner came and ruined the party today with his tales from South Africa :lol:
Missed the news, what did Johm say about his trip to South Africa? :-*
Here you go:
www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=185324088154090&id=22334044612
Did DNA consult with any other Dredd creators? Like maybe Alan Grant or Carlos Ezquerra?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/fullcredits#cast
Lena Headey ... Mama Dredd
?
She plays Dredds mother - ' He's not a Judge , he's a very naughty boy '
Quote from: strontium71 on 18 January, 2011, 10:50:48 AM
She plays Dredds mother - ' He's not a Judge , he's a very naughty boy '
Do you EVER read the 2000AD??
Quote from: strontium71 on 18 January, 2011, 10:50:48 AM
She plays Dredds mother - ' He's not a Judge , he's a very naughty boy '
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Imagining Dredd with mitten-like gloves on string...
Joseph Dredd! You come in this instance, it's way past your sleep machine time!
And take that helmet off! Your aunty Vera's coming to visit and she's knitted a lovely cardigan for you and it'll never fir over that thing!
"Despite Dredd being repositioned as something along the lines of a character from the Muppet Babies, with his gauntlets replaced by mittens, his Lawgiver swapped for a catapult, and the famous helmet clearly having a Halfords sticker on it, this is nonetheless a more authentic comic adaptation than the 1990s Cannon-directed Stallone effort."
Total Film
The movie-tie in cuddly Ultra-Deformed dolls would be a Christmas sell out ;)
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 January, 2011, 11:27:41 AM
"Despite Dredd being repositioned as something along the lines of a character from the Muppet Babies, with his gauntlets replaced by mittens, his Lawgiver swapped for a catapult, and the famous helmet clearly having a Halfords sticker on it, this is nonetheless a more authentic comic adaptation than the 1990s Cannon-directed Stallone effort."
Total Film
Like this?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 January, 2011, 12:40:59 PM
Like this?
Quote from: MaMa Dredd
This is why we can't have nice things Joseph!
Despite a stormy passage here on the boards the film seems to be preceding fairly well. John Wagner appears happy and he's the man to know.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 18 January, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
Despite a stormy passage here on the boards the film seems to be preceding fairly well. John Wagner appears happy and he's the man to know.
What was his reaction before the first Judge Dredd film out?
IT'S CUBE TIME! :D
Quote from: Goaty on 18 January, 2011, 01:38:20 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 18 January, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
Despite a stormy passage here on the boards the film seems to be preceding fairly well. John Wagner appears happy and he's the man to know.
What was his reaction before the first Judge Dredd film out?
Did he even know?????
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 January, 2011, 12:40:59 PMLike this?
This is where some lazy editor chances late upon this thread and says that's official production art! (But, yeah, like that!)
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 January, 2011, 01:53:48 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 January, 2011, 12:40:59 PMLike this?
This is where some lazy editor chances late upon this thread and says that's official production art! (But, yeah, like that!)
Not any more it ain't..
John Wagner on his set visit to the 1995 Stallone Dredd movie:
QuoteWhen I went up to Shepperton the first thing I told Danny Cannon was that he was filming the wrong script, but I could see he didn't want to know. They'd already invested too much in the silly story they had. And anyway, what did I know, I was only a comic writer? I thought the computer FX were really groovy though.
John Wagner on his set visit to the 2011 Dredd movie:
Quote
(Scriptwriter) Alex Garland and I have had our disagreements but he has usually had a convincing argument for doing things his way. On the main issue, concentrating the plot on a slice of life rather than trying to convey the whole sweep of Dredd and Mega-City life, I now see that he's right. It was one of the flaws of the first movie, they tried to do too much.
I just had a brief conversation with Karl, he's much too hard at work to spare a lot of time. There was one shot where the camera focused in on his face, a reaction to Anderson, and I swear Carlos could have drawn that scowl.... Karl, when he's acting (and even when he's not!), IS Judge Dredd....
Compare and contrast!
thanks mate!
Quote from: radiator on 18 January, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
John Wagner on his set visit to the 1995 Stallone Dredd movie:
QuoteWhen I went up to Shepperton the first thing I told Danny Cannon was that he was filming the wrong script, but I could see he didn't want to know. They'd already invested too much in the silly story they had. And anyway, what did I know, I was only a comic writer? I thought the computer FX were really groovy though.
John Wagner on his set visit to the 2011 Dredd movie:
Quote
(Scriptwriter) Alex Garland and I have had our disagreements but he has usually had a convincing argument for doing things his way. On the main issue, concentrating the plot on a slice of life rather than trying to convey the whole sweep of Dredd and Mega-City life, I now see that he's right. It was one of the flaws of the first movie, they tried to do too much.
I just had a brief conversation with Karl, he's much too hard at work to spare a lot of time. There was one shot where the camera focused in on his face, a reaction to Anderson, and I swear Carlos could have drawn that scowl.... Karl, when he's acting (and even when he's not!), IS Judge Dredd....
Compare and contrast!
Now that is a pretty comparison. I've been waiting to see those side by side, since I saw the initial Wagner reaction post on his facebook, on return from SA.
I wonder what his full comparison look like if he begun it now?
It made Comics Alliance today:
www.comicsalliance.com/2011/01/18/john-wagner-judge-dredd-fan-questions/
Quote from: Emperor on 18 January, 2011, 03:49:05 PM
It made Comics Alliance today:
www.comicsalliance.com/2011/01/18/john-wagner-judge-dredd-fan-questions/
Distributed by Lionsgate. Happy with that... as it always shows violent films!
Dunno about lionsgate. Anyone see punisher war zone? Made by lionsgate and it is very violent but also total crap.
Quote from: Mrpepperami on 18 January, 2011, 08:46:08 PM
Dunno about lionsgate. Anyone see punisher war zone? Made by lionsgate and it is very violent but also total crap.
Lionsgate aren't making
Dredd (DNA/Rebellion) though, they have the distribution deal so it doesn't equate qualitywise.
An exciting snippet of Twitter feed as reported by MTV:
@jock4twenty designing promo poster for DREDD, want to knock this one out of the park...
-Jock, Artist ("The Losers," "Green Arrow: Year One")
How frikkin' cool is that? :D
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 17 January, 2011, 09:55:36 PM
Quote from: Krombasher on 17 January, 2011, 06:39:24 PM
(http://www.lofg.com/specialstuff/images/ep_3_series_2/images/cap022.JPG)
I'm thinking you're a lot like these guys aren't you minus.You and that Sherman Kid. :D
Why are you posting a pic of your mates on day release?How unkind
Its Kevin and Perry.
"I dont want to watch Richard III cos its boring and crap"
I'm so bored, I nearly moved to Brighton.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 18 January, 2011, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 17 January, 2011, 09:55:36 PM
Quote from: Krombasher on 17 January, 2011, 06:39:24 PM
(http://www.lofg.com/specialstuff/images/ep_3_series_2/images/cap022.JPG)
I'm thinking you're a lot like these guys aren't you minus.You and that Sherman Kid. :D
Why are you posting a pic of your mates on day release?How unkind
Its Kevin and Perry.
Not Kevin & Perry, it's
Ally Welles & Henry Portrait from the League of Gentlemen.
Its interesting to see those two quotes together, as i seem to recall the script Wagner thought they should have been filming in 95 was a "slice of life" - a simple Dredd breaking heads and dishing out rough justice thing rather than cramming in a dynastic power struggles and every Chief Judge ever! So I vaguely wonder what is/was John's quibble with Garland over "slice of life", when he's been extolling that himself since the Stallone effort?
Probably because the city doesn't feature much, such as in Sunday Night Fever which is a more ambulatory slice of life.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 January, 2011, 11:06:28 PM
Probably because the city doesn't feature much.
Yeah possibly - concerns about a lack of distinctive MC flavour perhaps? As he says though, time enough for that if its a success - though i do think a tad more MCness would be the a recipe for more success, if only a glimpse at the craziness!
Quote@jock4twenty designing promo poster for DREDD, want to knock this one out of the park...
Amazing! Can't wait to see it - I know he'll do us proud!
Quoteconcerns about a lack of distinctive MC flavour perhaps?
That's the impression I have been getting, I
imagine that Wagner's feedback was to stick closer to the look and comedic tone of the comics, though of course we can only speculate.
Here's some more of his comments for those without facebook:
QuoteI'm very satisfied with the way it's going but it's not going to fulfill everyone's hopes and dreams - that would be impossible with so many diverse demands upon it. Let's say that it's a damned good start and my guess is that most fans are going to like it a lot. Remember, if this one does well there will be more films to follow and these will cover other aspects of Mega-City life. By the end of it we should have a very good picture of Dredd's world in the round.
Good stuff!
I'm hoping there will be sequels.
If ''Green Hornet'' could make $30 million it's first week surely ''Dredd'' can make it's filming budget back, right?
Actually it made 40 million.
I just want DREDD to be good, I'm not thinking about sequels.
And I'm sure it'll turn a profit. Most movies do.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 19 January, 2011, 01:15:08 AM
I'm hoping there will be sequels.
If ''Green Hornet'' could make $30 million it's first week surely ''Dredd'' can make it's filming budget back, right?
I believe it has already (or close to it) just selling the distribution rights - they sold most of it at Toronto when they got $30 million, including $7 million for the UK alone, and that didn't include the US:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155?refCatId=13
Not sure what the Lionsgate deal was but if you look at something like the Expendables the international take could be expected to be at most 1.5-2 times that of the US take (possibly less if you look at other action and adventure films), so if they paid less than $15 million I'd be surprised.
So if I had to bet I'd say it was close to covering the budget already, which also suggests everyone is betting big on this film being a success. In fact if you could find out what similar films went for at this stage you'd be able to figure out what the estimated box office will be.
Here you go, I quickly Googled KickAss.
I guess more homework is needed as while doing so, some sites reported the budget at 50 mill, others 80 mill.
"Kick-Ass is an indie film made for $30 million that just made $37 million world-wide by its U.S. opening weekend.
Even with the average path a film takes through the theaters, the movie has already made its budget back, will make its advertising budget back by next weekend, and will ultimately be a financial success. It won't be the smashing success that some predicted, but it will still be a success.
Of course, those raw numbers don't take into consideration the split between Lionsgate, the theaters, and the film's producers, so technically the production team has not regained its original investment. However, a film (especially one with this type of budget) making an equitable number back on its opening weekend is a good sign that it will be on schedule to be a positive investment."
From here:
http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/opinions/why-kick-ass-succeeded-at-the-box-office-even-if-it-doesnt-feel-that-way.php
Quote from: Leigh Shepherd on 18 January, 2011, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 January, 2011, 11:06:28 PM
Probably because the city doesn't feature much.
Yeah possibly - concerns about a lack of distinctive MC flavour perhaps? As he says though, time enough for that if its a success - though i do think a tad more MCness would be the a recipe for more success, if only a glimpse at the craziness!
I specifically asked him if, from what he'd seen, they'd 'nailed' MC1. His reply was -
"What I saw, Lee, was very Mega-City. South Africa's got something of Mega-City about it in any case. On the morning I was supposed to do an interview with a reporter from Time Magazine I got a text from the studio: "Time reporter has been mugged - interview is cancelled"."
Sounds like he's happy with the 'flavour' of MC1 to me.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 January, 2011, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: Mrpepperami on 18 January, 2011, 08:46:08 PM
Dunno about lionsgate. Anyone see punisher war zone? Made by lionsgate and it is very violent but also total crap.
Lionsgate aren't making Dredd (DNA/Rebellion) though, they have the distribution deal so it doesn't equate qualitywise.
"Punisher: War Zone" had some problems, which to a large extent actually can be blamed on LGF - or rather Joe Drake, head honcho of LGF. "Punisher: War Zone" was one of 19 then in-development films greenlit by his predecessor Peter Blocke. Out of sheer spite and malice, Drake did everything in his power to ruin these movies in post production, and deliberatly dumped them so they would flop.
Since "Dredd" as already mentioned is an external movie only distributed by LGF, not an inhouse movie Joe Drake has a personal thorn in the side against, there will be no tampering with the movie itself. We are safe there.
What we should be concerned about with LGF is that their marketing department is average at best. No one is better at dumping a movie than LGF marketing, but in terms of selling a movie, they are hardly the best in the business. They did an at best okay job with "The Expendables", and so far a beyond awful job at marketing "Conan the Barbarian". The latter is particurlarly bad, as that one actually represents a significant investement for them.
Luckily it seems Rebellion/DNA will do much of the marketing work themselves.
Like Hiring Jock for a promo poster - looking forward to that one, good chance that will be the key art for my custom Blu-ray cover of the final movie!
Quote from: norse_sage;576730"Punisher: War Zone" had some problems, which to a large extent actually can be blamed on LGF - or rather Joe Drake, head honcho of LGF. "Punisher: War Zone" was one of 19 then in-development films greenlit by his predecessor Peter Blocke. Out of sheer spite and malice, Drake did everything in his power to ruin these movies in post production, and deliberatly dumped them so they would flop.
Since "Dredd" as already mentioned is an external movie only distributed by LGF, not an inhouse movie Joe Drake has a personal thorn in the side against, there will be no tampering with the movie itself. We are safe there.
What we should be concerned about with LGF is that their marketing department is average at best. No one is better at dumping a movie than LGF marketing, but in terms of selling a movie, they are hardly the best in the business. They did an at best okay job with "The Expendables", and so far a beyond awful job at marketing "Conan the Barbarian". The latter is particurlarly bad, as that one actually represents a significant investement for them.
Luckily it seems Rebellion/DNA will do much of the marketing work themselves.
Like Hiring Jock for a promo poster - looking forward to that one, good chance that will be the key art for my custom Blu-ray cover of the final movie!
That art on the dvd and bluray release with a banging sound track by the Foo FIghters. Heard a snippet of the new album on Zane Lowes show the other night perfect music to accompany lawgiver action in the film.
Quote from: dracula1 on 19 January, 2011, 11:24:40 AM
That art on the dvd and bluray release with a banging sound track by the Foo FIghters. Heard a snippet of the new album on Zane Lowes show the other night perfect music to accompany lawgiver action in the film.
No thanks. Nothing like contemporary rock music to kill the illusion and date a film.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 January, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: dracula1 on 19 January, 2011, 11:24:40 AM
That art on the dvd and bluray release with a banging sound track by the Foo FIghters. Heard a snippet of the new album on Zane Lowes show the other night perfect music to accompany lawgiver action in the film.
No thanks. Nothing like contemporary rock music to kill the illusion and date a film.
Seconded. No cheesy guitar riffs please.
QuoteI specifically asked him if, from what he'd seen, they'd 'nailed' MC1. His reply was -
"What I saw, Lee, was very Mega-City. South Africa's got something of Mega-City about it in any case. On the morning I was supposed to do an interview with a reporter from Time Magazine I got a text from the studio: "Time reporter has been mugged - interview is cancelled"."
Sounds like he's happy with the 'flavour' of MC1 to me.
That's not really what Leigh and I are getting at - I'm talking about the very specific style of eccentric humour that is associated with the comics. In the script, [spoiler]M-C1 seems to be little more than a hellish slum, whereas in the comics there's a lot more to it than that.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Lee Bates;576761Seconded. No cheesy guitar riffs please.
How about the very successful Take That doing the sounds,...Barry Barlow pens corking movie music, look at Stardust for instance.
How about no music from any popular groups period?
Quote from: dracula1 on 19 January, 2011, 11:36:58 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates;576761Seconded. No cheesy guitar riffs please.
How about the very successful Take That doing the sounds,...Barry Barlow pens corking movie music, look at Stardust for instance.
Detecting...sarcasm...
No. A mainly orchestral score with occasional electronic music (Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, Ochre etc) only please.
And if anyone mentions Anthrax...
John Murphy would be ideal for the soundtrack - his work on 28 Days Later, Sunshine and Kick-Ass is amazing and tonally a perfect fit for something like Dredd. I can't really imagine a conventional orchestral score working, would much prefer something grungier and more downbeat.
Quote from: radiator on 19 January, 2011, 11:46:43 AM
John Murphy would be ideal for the soundtrack - his work on 28 Days Later, Sunshine and Kick-Ass is amazing and tonally a perfect fit for something like Dredd. I can't really imagine a conventional orchestral score working, would much prefer something grungier and more downbeat.
I wouldn't be surprised if it would be, considering all those other movies are done by the same folks too (for the record, I have literally no idea who's doing the score..)
Bear McCreary has done some astonishingly varied and prolific work on Battlestar Galactica/Caprica/The Walking Dead.
Quote from: radiator on 19 January, 2011, 11:46:43 AM
John Murphy would be ideal for the soundtrack - his work on 28 Days Later, Sunshine and Kick-Ass is amazing and tonally a perfect fit for something like Dredd. I can't really imagine a conventional orchestral score working, would much prefer something grungier and more downbeat.
Yeah, when I sais 'orchestral' this is the kind of thing I had in mind. I just meant, not contemporary. And no tied-in pop/rock theme tune either.
Quote from: radiator on 19 January, 2011, 11:46:43 AM
John Murphy would be ideal for the soundtrack - his work on 28 Days Later, Sunshine and Kick-Ass is amazing and tonally a perfect fit for something like Dredd. I can't really imagine a conventional orchestral score working, would much prefer something grungier and more downbeat.
There are modern orchestras -as opposed to symphony- that incorporate contemporary instruments and sounds, they've have been developing and expanding since the early 20th century so it's just really a matter of the right judgement and attitude for a good score. As long as it's not guitar driven it will work.
Clint Mansell!
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 January, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
Clint Mansell!
It seems he saves/does all his best work for
Daronofsky, he's probably expensive too.
Quote from: radiator;576767John Murphy would be ideal for the soundtrack - his work on 28 Days Later, Sunshine and Kick-Ass is amazing and tonally a perfect fit for something like Dredd. I can't really imagine a conventional orchestral score working, would much prefer something grungier and more downbeat.
All interesting suggestions, lets see what they come up with. At what stage do they deceide on the music?
Ennio Morricone
Quote from: dracula1 on 19 January, 2011, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: radiator;576767John Murphy would be ideal for the soundtrack - his work on 28 Days Later, Sunshine and Kick-Ass is amazing and tonally a perfect fit for something like Dredd. I can't really imagine a conventional orchestral score working, would much prefer something grungier and more downbeat.
All interesting suggestions, lets see what they come up with. At what stage do they deceide on the music?
Usually after the movie is locked/editing completed (producers don't want to pay for scoring scenes that might end up being deleted further down the line), so quite a long ways into post poduction - of course, a composer can be hired long before that, but it really depends on the individual production.
Quote from: Ratty on 19 January, 2011, 12:34:53 PM
Ennio Morricone
He should be saved for the Strontium Dog movie
Mansell is very lilkely a lapsed squaxx as well...
Quote from: Emperor on 18 January, 2011, 03:49:05 PM
It made Comics Alliance today:
www.comicsalliance.com/2011/01/18/john-wagner-judge-dredd-fan-questions/
Another comic book fansite with a take on the John Wagner Facebook account.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ActionFigureNews/news/?a=28287 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ActionFigureNews/news/?a=28287)
Good reaction as well in the feedback, and I got my name in there as well in the John Wagner comments extract. :)
Although no mention of alpachas or vuvuzelas??? :lol:
Made Bleeding Cool too:
www.bleedingcool.com/2011/01/19/dredd-creator-john-wagner-visits-dredd-movie/
Clint Mansell always comes to mind for me, just because it's staggering how many times I've been blown away by the score of a movie and then seen his name against it. Didn't strike me that he is/was a comics fan, wonder if that helps our chances?!
Love Bear Mcreary's stuff too, that's a good suggestion. As mentioned though, as long as it's not a rock soundtrack I'm sure it'll be great.
Any one of those three (Murphy, Mansell or McCreary would suit Dredd down to the ground IMHO.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 19 January, 2011, 05:01:06 PM
Clint Mansell always comes to mind for me, just because it's staggering how many times I've been blown away by the score of a movie and then seen his name against it. Didn't strike me that he is/was a comics fan, wonder if that helps our chances?!
Mansell was in the
Grebo 80's band
Pop Will Eat Itself who namechecked Alan Moore in their song DefCon 1. They were fans of the progs by all accounts.
Looking shaweeeeeeet!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 January, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 19 January, 2011, 05:01:06 PM
Clint Mansell always comes to mind for me, just because it's staggering how many times I've been blown away by the score of a movie and then seen his name against it. Didn't strike me that he is/was a comics fan, wonder if that helps our chances?!
Mansell was in the Grebo 80's band Pop Will Eat Itself who namechecked Alan Moore in their song DefCon 1. They were fans of the progs by all accounts.
Yeah, I'm a fan of their stuff (mainly the later albums), just forgot to connect the dots so I guess I phrased that wrong. What I mean is I knew he was a comics fan back in the day but I often forget to associate what he does now with what he did then. Wasn't sure if he'd ever name-checked 2000AD directly but I guess as a young british comics fan he must have been into it, and you wonder if it might be the kind of project he'd love to do. This reminds me, I keep vowing to buy The Fountain soundtrack that he did with Mogwai whenever I hear him mentioned.
How about Damon Albarn for some of the musical score. I hate both Blur and Gorillaz but he is a very talented man.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 19 January, 2011, 08:42:00 PM
How about Damon Albarn for some of the musical score. I hate both Blur and Gorillaz but he is a very talented man.
V
I hope you're joking. The man is a prick and his music is ass-balls. What made you think of him? I can't think of anyone LESS suitable to score the film.
How about Noel Gallagher...
Cut to the chase.
Jedward.
I suspect budget will not be enough for a full orchestra. If it has that style to it I think it would be composed by one person in digital form. Either that or it will comprise of a bunch of already existing songs or new compositions from some washed up has beens or lesser known wannabes... in other words something cheap.
Brothers can be useful...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519t6mWP%2BtL._SL500_.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAv500Q6bfA&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: minus on 19 January, 2011, 09:50:32 PM
I suspect budget will not be enough for a full orchestra.
I don't think the film is that low budget.
QuoteThe man is a musical genius and his music is amazing
Here, I've fixed that for you.
Are you a fan of Oasis by any chance?
Well I have no idea on the rates for a full orchestra. I'd imagine they'll be fairly frugal with the soundtrack. If the matt black rental cars are anything to go by, perhaps a couple of blokes who busk on weekends will do. Either that or Noel Gallagher...
Quote from: minus on 19 January, 2011, 10:01:49 PM
Well I have no idea on the rates for a full orchestra. I'd imagine they'll be fairly frugal with the soundtrack. If the matt black rental cars are anything to go by, perhaps a couple of blokes who busk on weekends will do. Either that or Noel Gallagher...
The cars/vans are background props -gotten as a deal- so there's no need to splash out a ton of beans on them since most of the film takes place indoors. The music is a bigger concern. If shows like Battlestar Galactica -very tight budget- and Lost can use orchestras, I'm sure a medium budget film like
Dredd can as well. The first Robocop had an orchestra -Basil Poledouris- and that had an 80's budget relative to the present
Dredd. It all depends on the composer and
which orchestra you want.
I'd like to bring up ''Moinchindise'' :lol: for a second if I may.
How soon till we here who will make the Action Figures for this movie?
(Will there be Action Figuers?)
Because I'd like to recommend these guys...
http://www.toyark.com/news/video-game-toy-news-8/neca-player-select-crysis-2-nanosuit-2-images-3637/
I mean look at the detail of that figure!
I think NECA would be the perfect toy company for this movie* (and the comics)
*I would prefer Hasbro so I could get play sets & role play Lawgivers & Helmets, but I don't see them making products for a R rated film. :(
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 19 January, 2011, 07:08:37 PMyou wonder if it might be the kind of project he'd love to do.
Well, he's done some action stuff (Doom, Sahara), although, to be brutally honest, those aren't his best scores.
QuoteThis reminds me, I keep vowing to buy The Fountain soundtrack that he did with Mogwai whenever I hear him mentioned.
The Fountain is a WONDERFUL album. Highly recommended. Moon is also worth buying (the film, too).
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 January, 2011, 12:30:38 AM
Moon is also worth buying (the film, too).
Speaking of
Moon, I noticed this (http://www.zavvi.com/dvd/3-film-box-set-knowing/district-9/moon/10271416.html) today (well technically yesterday now as it's 1.58 am) on Zavvi.com
Heh, I realise that looks like Spam, but I don't work for them. I've wanted to see
District 9 and
Moon for a while so seeing both films available as part of a 3 disk set for that price.... looked good. I don't know the third film
Knowing though.
AC/DC?
Predators uses a predominantly orchestral score and then blows out with some, cheesiest audio of ray charles' favorites, at the fade out.
It never felt like a marker for what it was/is worth.
Hmm... Not sure what might suit the movie in terms of music. I'm thinking something fast and f**ked up! Maybe some breakcore like Venetian Snares or something...
Quote from: MardroidI've wanted to see District 9 and Moon for a while so seeing both films available as part of a 3 disk set for that price.... looked good. I don't know the third film Knowing though.
Was tempted myself when I saw this for sale in Homebase of all places(!)
M@
Quote from: Krombasher on 20 January, 2011, 05:18:13 AM
Predators uses a predominantly orchestral score and then blows out with some, cheesiest audio of ray charles' favorites, at the fade out.
It never felt like a marker for what it was/is worth.
That was Little Richard's Long tall Sally.. They play it in the chopper ride into the jungle in the original Predator..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 20 January, 2011, 09:47:45 AM
Quote from: Krombasher on 20 January, 2011, 05:18:13 AM
Predators uses a predominantly orchestral score and then blows out with some, cheesiest audio of ray charles' favorites, at the fade out.
It never felt like a marker for what it was/is worth.
That was Little Richard's Long tall Sally.. They play it in the chopper ride into the jungle in the original Predator..
And Mac is quoting is as he is chasing the Predator later.
Man, I love that movie.
Sometimes, music that goes against the grain works best as a counterpoint. Scenes of intense action and violence hardly require intense music - they don't require any augmentation. I remember how - in the story 'America' - the business of a Judge was likened to the theme tune for 'Rawhide', the old Western TV show. Imagine how striking it would be to see Mega-City One CGI-ed up to its eyeballs and the Lawmaster screaming along. We expect to hear another generic score (something like 'Solomon Kane') - but instead, it's a relatively gentle acoustic expanse, sweeping across the skyline like the red skies heralding a storm:
Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em out,
Move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide!
Set 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in ... Rawhiiiide!
Would a 'stark' music score be more appropriate for the world of DREDD?
DREDD is set in a decaying, dystopian future. The MegaCity Blocks are bleak, soul destroying Edifices that promote emptiness and horror so could a simpler score suggest this?
Fargo, Brokeback Mountain, The Deer Hunter all had simple but effective scores to them. These films are of course very different to DREDD but perhaps less might add up to more.
Just the sound effect of the wind rushing through the concrete jungle could suggest a sort of empty,chilling place cut in with the Judges reporting various crimes etc instead of any music at all. :geek:
Trent Reznor is getting into doing movie scores, The Social Network one is pretty good not what you'd want for Dredd but he could handle it no probs. He did Natural Born Killers which is a total Head F$#k mash up maybe something along those lines?
CU Radbacker
I thought the Atticus Ross soundtrack for Book of Eli was pretty good along those lines - a bit more ambient.
Quote from: John Caliber on 20 January, 2011, 10:09:03 AM
We expect to hear another generic score (something like 'Solomon Kane') - but instead, it's a relatively gentle acoustic expanse, sweeping across the skyline like the red skies heralding a storm:
Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em out,
Move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide!
I think I like that idea, so long as it was used as something different from the rest of the soundtrack. The problem is that given the way the script goes it would have to be at the start or the end rather than as a 'change of pace' somewhere in the middle which is where it would work best.
The music will be if you pardon the pun incidental if the filming isnt done right. Pete Travis style employed in Vantage Point (what amounts to a patchwork of framed shots interwoven against each other) will not do Dredd any worth whatsover. That same style was adhered to for the Incredible Hulk and made for a frustrating and pointlesr watch.
A methodical deliberate wide panning shot throughout would accomodate Dredd better Imho. Im not adverse to cinematical styles but i hope you get the idea.
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 20 January, 2011, 12:15:20 PM
The music will be if you pardon the pun incidental if the filming isnt done right. Pete Travis style employed in Vantage Point (what amounts to a patchwork of framed shots interwoven against each other)
That was part of the point -fractured and fast- but the problems of
Vantage Point as a film are that it has thin characters, which would be fair enough if they hadn't tried to make one out of Forrest Whittaker and fail, just have it as an exercise in technique/fractured narrative and no more. No motivations shown etc like a
Bresson film.
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 20 January, 2011, 12:15:20 PMA methodical deliberate wide panning shot throughout would accomodate Dredd better Imho. Im not adverse to cinematical styles but i hope you get the idea.
It could also slow the film down and wouldn't do much for pacing, also the
tight style in
Vantage point is completely different from the slow and measured yet looser style Travis used in
Omagh. So it all depends on the demands of the script and
Dredd is a different script to
Vantage Point - which involved specific things happening amongst a large crowd. So
Dredd could be a combination of both
Omagh & Vantage Point or something else.
Quote from: Mardroid on 20 January, 2011, 01:59:29 AMHeh, I realise that looks like Spam, but I don't work for them. I've wanted to see District 9 and Moon for a while so seeing both films available as part of a 3 disk set for that price.... looked good. I don't know the third film Knowing though.
I've no idea about Knowing, but Moon is a film you'll rewatch for sure and D9 probably more than once. Both Moon and D9 are four quid each on Amazon, FWIW.
can anyone from the house of tharg give us even a little hint when we might see some proper looks at the costumes etc?
comingsoon.net (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73275) has an interview with director Duncan Jones, who was offered Dredd.
Quote
CS: Your name came up in connection with "Superman." Can you talk a little about that experience?
[The phone rings by the desk]
Jones: That's probably Chris Nolan telling me to shut up. (laughs) I was thrilled to be on that short list. For me, that was enough. I don't know if I would be ready for that leap yet. I did have a meeting with Chris and he's a fantastic guy and seemed to have really enjoyed "Moon," so there was some legitimate interest in me. I think, maybe, I'm not quite ready for that scale of project and that scale of expectation from an audience that is already existing and is waiting to see the next generation of Superman film. I don't know. It's a hard one. I'm a huge Superman fan and Bizarro Superman fan. And also a big Judge Dredd fan, which was another one that came my way. Those are two very different scales of projects. Superman was so big that I think I was a little intimidated by it and sort of backed out. Judge Dredd I really thought about and it ended up not being right for me because I had such strong feelings and opinions on what I wanted that film to be. Although I really like what they're going to do with it, it's not the film that I was going to make. So that one wasn't going to work out.
In March 2010, Jones twittered his thoughts on a Dredd film
"It's a Dredd take on the film Man Bites Dog & involves Death & the League of Fatties."
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 January, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
In March 2010, Jones twittered his thoughts on a Dredd film
"It's a Dredd take on the film Man Bites Dog & involves Death & the League of Fatties."
As intriguing as that could have been, I overwhelmingly prefer a new Judge Dredd franchise to be introduced by way of the cadet/graveyard shift route they are taking here.
Let's save the league of fatties until it's time to nuke fridge, which is not the first movie.
Yeah, I think the DNA approach is much more manageable for a new audience than that.
Cheers
Steve
Quote from: John Caliber on 20 January, 2011, 10:09:03 AM
Sometimes, music that goes against the grain works best as a counterpoint.
Totally, when you said that I was reminded of seeing a pretty brutal beatdown in a cafe scored to 'Ordinary World' by Duran Duran. Think it was in Layer Cake but could be wrong. Anyway, turned what could have been a pretty standard scene into something more memorable.
Yeah, I think I posted Duncan Jones' Dredd quote a while back - much as I'd love to see what he'd have come up with, it sounds pretty bonkers and I'm sure it would have gone down as a 'bold failure', and box office suicide - even if the hardcore fans liked it.
DNA's lean, stripped down approach, where we only really get a sketch of Dredd and MC-1, seems like it has a much greater chance of succeeding and warranting a sequel or two.
Musically I could quite see them doing this kind of thing for the slomo sequences...
http://www.geekosystem.com/slow-songs-800-percent-justin-bieber/ (http://www.geekosystem.com/slow-songs-800-percent-justin-bieber/)
(Not necessarily with Justin Bieber I hasten to add)
As long as it doesnt have any Metal featured in the soundtrack then they can do what the hell they like for all i care.
If i do hear anything like that in the soundtrack then i may not be responsible for what i type.
*By that i am referring to contemporary Metal music instead of in the traditional sense.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 January, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
In March 2010, Jones twittered his thoughts on a Dredd film
"It's a Dredd take on the film Man Bites Dog & involves Death & the League of Fatties."
Sounds awful.
I second that. League of fatties???? Of all the choices.
It's both choices that are bad and both together makes it worse. There was a similar Dredd script in the 80's that was something like this by Tim Hunter & James Crumley, cramming as much as was not possible into one script.
I rarely found that comic book humour of the league of fatties kind comes off well in movies. Blob in wolverine for example, it just looks and feels a bit shit. Trying to do too much in one movie would be a major mistake. Should make something that will please fans but also bring in a mass audience or it could be the last movie they make. There are more than enough characters and stories from dredds catalogue that could service this.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 January, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
comingsoon.net (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73275) has an interview with director Duncan Jones, who was offered Dredd.
Quote
CS: Your name came up in connection with "Superman." Can you talk a little about that experience?
[The phone rings by the desk]
Jones: That's probably Chris Nolan telling me to shut up. (laughs) I was thrilled to be on that short list. For me, that was enough. I don't know if I would be ready for that leap yet. I did have a meeting with Chris and he's a fantastic guy and seemed to have really enjoyed "Moon," so there was some legitimate interest in me. I think, maybe, I'm not quite ready for that scale of project and that scale of expectation from an audience that is already existing and is waiting to see the next generation of Superman film. I don't know. It's a hard one. I'm a huge Superman fan and Bizarro Superman fan. And also a big Judge Dredd fan, which was another one that came my way. Those are two very different scales of projects. Superman was so big that I think I was a little intimidated by it and sort of backed out. Judge Dredd I really thought about and it ended up not being right for me because I had such strong feelings and opinions on what I wanted that film to be. Although I really like what they're going to do with it, it's not the film that I was going to make. So that one wasn't going to work out.
In March 2010, Jones twittered his thoughts on a Dredd film
"It's a Dredd take on the film Man Bites Dog & involves Death & the League of Fatties."
All of that sounds like it would have been a follow up to the 1995 film. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Mrpepperami on 20 January, 2011, 07:12:53 PM
I rarely found that comic book humour of the league of fatties kind comes off well in movies. Blob in wolverine for example, it just looks and feels a bit shit. Trying to do too much in one movie would be a major mistake. Should make something that will please fans but also bring in a mass audience or it could be the last movie they make. There are more than enough characters and stories from dredds catalogue that could service this.
I think you're right, as much as I really enjoyed Wolverine Origins they tried to fit too many characters in the story and whose idea was it to sew Wade Wilson/Deadpool's mouth shut, he isn't called 'the mouth' for nothing!
I'd be happy with Duncan Jones' Dad doing the soundtrack.
I'm orchestral all the way but I wouldn't mind throwing a bit of Prodigy in there (something new). I haven't read the script but it sounds like there could be call for it. Depends really.
Bearing in mind I've recently quit smoking and my brain is still being defragged.
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 20 January, 2011, 10:26:20 PM
I'd be happy with Duncan Jones' Dad doing the soundtrack.
Met his Dad a few times...Had some nice cups of tea with him!!
Found this old game trailer....Dirty Harry as Dredd...not too bad actually considering how old it is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jigqbg_M6HE
Now starting to miss the JDMN site for putting all DREDD related news on one site. >:(
We're missing out on little bits of news.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/showbiz-and-lifestyle/home-garden/2011/01/21/motherhood-leaves-rakie-with-nothing-to-dredd-from-acting-91466-28025772/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/showbiz-and-lifestyle/home-garden/2011/01/21/motherhood-leaves-rakie-with-nothing-to-dredd-from-acting-91466-28025772/)
Perpective of an Welsh born actress Rakie Ayola(not listed on IMDB) on her impending part in DREDD. Not really about the movie.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0043931/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0043931/)
Quote from: nicklambo;577286Found this old game trailer....Dirty Harry as Dredd...not too bad actually considering how old it is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jigqbg_M6HE
Thanks for posting it, it isn't half bad as you said. One bit with dredd in the shadows is very kev walker,...l wonder if this influenced his dredd style?
Quote from: SneakeeX on 21 January, 2011, 09:29:13 AMPerpective of an Welsh born actress Rakie Ayola(not listed on IMDB) on her impending part in DREDD. Not really about the movie.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0043931/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0043931/)
I think she might be the Chief Judge
QuoteI think she might be the Chief Judge
Yes, I think you're right.
I've just split this topic. Please go to http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,31676.0/topicseen.html (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,31676.0/topicseen.html) for the lawmaster pic and discussion.
Quote from: jbezzina on 23 January, 2011, 07:20:23 AM
The more I see the more I hate what I'm seeing.In my opinion this is turning out to have the look of a low budget scify movie. Case in point, modern day vehicles disguised to look futuristic with some lame looking addons. I'm talking about the bike which I am sure that someone into motorcycles will be able to tell us what bike hides under the upper bodywork and I am also referring to the trucks we saw some weeks ago. I am sure that they are beefed up modern vehicles. I'm also not at all convinced of the uniform. Again, I pray that I am wrong but I would surely hate reading that this would turn out to be listed as once of the worst movies of the year.
Sorry, but that's utter nonsense. The design aesthetic seems to be near future, plausible and functional. Is it not crossing anyone's mind that if you were a Judge keeping the peace in Mega-City One, riding around on a bike it might make sense to armour the hell out of said bike? That whole front piece of the bike seems to me to be there for protection if the rider leans forward (the original comic design offers none). If it looks like a normal bike with some stuff added on it's BECAUSE IT IS.
I come onto this thread regularly to see if there's any new snippets of news, and I'm finding I'm constantly aggravated by it. You've got your boarders who are grateful this is even happening, and are intrigued and excited to see how it all plays out, and then a sea of knee-jerk reactions from what sounds like whining ungrateful children. They're making a Dredd film! If it's good we can all be happy, if it's not we can all go back to pretending there's never been one! For Dredd to be getting another chance and folk dismissing it as shit already because the out of context spy shots don't look like the vision in your head makes you come across as a bunch of spoilt brats. Have you invested tens of millions in the movie? No, so stop acting as if someone's cheating you if it's not to your liking. They designed a prop you don't like the look of for a film that you aren't paying them to make, they didn't walk into your house and shit in your cereal.
It's been said dozens of times by sensible people on here, but doesn't seem to be penetrating the wall of negativity, We Haven't Seen Anywhere Near Enough To Know What This Movie Will Be Like. I like to think comic and sci-fi fans aren't the bitter sniping barrel of nerds we're made out to be, but if we're seriously going to complain to this extent about the handlebars on his fucking motorbike we'd be as well off crying into our Transformers pillows that the science in Stargate doesn't add up. You're better than this people.
Edit: I see the Lawmaster stuff has moved now so really I'm just ranting to myself like a crazy person.
Keef, i know your hearts in the right place, but i read that rant with a great sense of unease. Just as you think that anyone disliking what they've seen needs to hold off because 'we havent seen enough', so i say 'we've read the script, seen dredd's uniform, seen the vehicles, now seen the bike, and the calibre of the 'talent' involved'. That's enough for anyone to make a pre-judgement as to whether it'll be any good or not. It may not be an accurate prejudgement, but it'll be enough for most. Ive seen more of dredd than i have of the green hornet, or the hobbit, and i already know i'll never go to see those particular movies.
Calm down. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, without being called names.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 23 January, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
Ive seen more of dredd than i have of the green hornet, or the hobbit, and i already know i'll never go to see those particular movies.
Is that not more a matter of taste rather than how good the film is or will be?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 23 January, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
Keef, i know your hearts in the right place, but i read that rant with a great sense of unease. Just as you think that anyone disliking what they've seen needs to hold off because 'we havent seen enough', so i say 'we've read the script, seen dredd's uniform, seen the vehicles, now seen the bike, and the calibre of the 'talent' involved'. That's enough for anyone to make a pre-judgement as to whether it'll be any good or not. It may not be an accurate prejudgement, but it'll be enough for most. Ive seen more of dredd than i have of the green hornet, or the hobbit, and i already know i'll never go to see those particular movies.
Calm down. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, without being called names.
SBT
Re-reading it I do sound like (and feel like) a dick. I just find the whole thing pretty frustrating, I'm more annoyed about the people who seem to be joining the forum just to slate it but I know that's trolling more than anything else. I'd just got up, read the posts and needed to vent. I meant it all, but could have been a hell of a lot more polite about it. I genuinely do think that the majority of the naysayers are being incredibly unfair about what is a very exciting development for Dredd and for 2000AD in general, but you're right about the tone of my post, apologies.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 23 January, 2011, 12:23:49 PM
Re-reading it I do sound like (and feel like) a dick. ... apologies.
No, no need to apologise! We've all got to be as honest about this as possible- otherwise it gives an opening for 'trolls' to come here and cause trouble. This board is singular in that most of the time people are (sometimes brutally) honest. Or honestly brutally drunk. If we can take it as read that everyone is being truthful in their reactions to these leaked shots, it gives us a much more interesting overview of what's going on. But if people are being honest, then there's no reason for anyone to slag them. It's only when cockheads like Scojo turn up that we need to resort to fisting.
I absolutely agree that DNA should have been much more on the ball with releasing properly staged promo pics of both the uniform and the lawmaster- not to mention all the other bits and bobs that have leaked. perhaps if the first shot of Dredd and the Lawmaster had been a nice front-facing three-quarters shot of the bike, with Dreddy astride it, under proper lighting conditions, we wouldn't be in the position we are now. These shots exist- every movie of this kind has these photographs done, and we'll eventually see them in the inevitable 'making of' book. You'd think with these dreadful pictures being leaked, DNA would release some, pronto.
SBT
In agreemen...and brutally drunk.
Just had a quick look on IMDB and noticed that they have added Lena Headey to the cast list... as Mama Dredd! :D
What a different movie that would make...
Oh dear, he doesn't know about Mama Dredd yet.
You may need to sit down for this.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 23 January, 2011, 07:22:10 PM
Oh dear, he doesn't know about Mama Dredd yet.
You may need to sit down for this.
what? :o guessing,[spoiler]dredd's not a clone and its either his mama or sister? and he proves his worth to the law by banging her up or shooting her[/spoiler]
Save us from risible plot lines! :-\
Say it ain't so...say it ain't so.... :o
I just wish the PR machine would kick in and and do something a.s. bloody p!
Its another year before the films out, it would be silly to waste money on P.R now. Somehow I don't think the powers that be would be too keen to pander to an internet forum.
An official website with on set news every so often wouldn't cost that much, would it!
It may even help to stop much of the negative vibe surrounding the film. We are supposed to be in the age of instant media and all that that implies.
I suppose we could wait for more leaked pictures and all the shit storm that follows those, especially as they will be lit wrong, effects not added, etc.....
Quote from: mogzilla on 24 January, 2011, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 23 January, 2011, 07:22:10 PM
Oh dear, he doesn't know about Mama Dredd yet.
You may need to sit down for this.
what? :o guessing,[spoiler]dredd's not a clone and its either his mama or sister? and he proves his worth to the law by banging her up or shooting her[/spoiler]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/nest/176868958 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/nest/176868958)
QuoteCan someone at IMDB sort this out? Lena Headey's character is called Madeline Madrigal, AKA Ma-Ma. Where the hell did they get Mama Dredd from?
Where did that name come from?
See what happens ::)
My take on it is that a lot of companies still haven't grasped what's possible with regards to internet publicity.
Whatever you think of the film, Cloverfield handled that side of things really well.
It seems especially useful for films on a smaller budget.
Quote from: Steve Green on 24 January, 2011, 08:11:41 PM
My take on it is that a lot of companies still haven't grasped what's possible with regards to internet publicity.
Whatever you think of the film, Cloverfield handled that side of things really well.
It seems especially useful for films on a smaller budget.
And then get antsy that some fly by night wingnut with an actual passion for the project does a better job for free..
..Just saying..
Have you ever seen DNA's website?
http://www.dnafilms.com/
'Nuff said.
Fox searchlight?
Isn't that drowning in money rather than floodwater Rupert Murdoch?
Bet his phone isn't hacked.
An HTTP error occurred while getting:
http://www.sunshinedna.com/
Details: "connection failed".
Heh.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 24 January, 2011, 09:05:12 PM
Fox searchlight?
Isn't that drowning in money rather than floodwater Rupert Murdoch?
Bet his phone isn't hacked.
I don't think they have anything to do with Dredd anymore.
Fox Searchlight no longer co-finance DNA films, Never let me go was the last film made under the old deal. Fox Searchlight don't do wide release films which is what Dredd is aiming for.
Not Murdoch then?
Hooray!
I'm really disappointed that the uniform doesn't feature moulded rubber nipples
I'm wondering if they'll draw from the early Brownshirts approach of enforcement or take from the more calculating SS or a mix of both, for the Judges.
I think the SA is below them and the SS is a little too sinister and cultish for my taste. For the SJS perhaps? They did oversee the whole Caligula debacle if I recall correctly.
Nice write up by Comicbookmovie.com on the character of Dredd and his importance.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheOldGeek/news/?a=28765 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheOldGeek/news/?a=28765)
That articles a bit crap isn't it?
Quote from: radiator on 26 January, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
That articles a bit crap isn't it?
I don't want to seem rude, but I'm assuming that English is not the first language of the writer.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 26 January, 2011, 03:11:47 PM
Nice write up by Comicbookmovie.com on the character of Dredd and his importance.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheOldGeek/news/?a=28765 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheOldGeek/news/?a=28765)
Wow, that really is a laughably terrible article isn't it? Just really badly written and pointless.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 26 January, 2011, 03:28:43 PM
Wow, that really is a laughably terrible article isn't it? Just really badly written and pointless.
And they say irony is dead.
Kidding, kidding, really and truly kidding, couldn't help myself, I've no willpower when it comes to this stuff...
Quote from: TordelBack on 26 January, 2011, 04:15:27 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 26 January, 2011, 03:28:43 PM
Wow, that really is a laughably terrible article isn't it? Just really badly written and pointless.
And they say irony is dead.
Kidding, kidding, really and truly kidding, couldn't help myself, I've no willpower when it comes to this stuff...
I don't get it.
No, really, I don't get it!
Quote from: SneakeeX on 26 January, 2011, 03:11:47 PM
Nice write up by Comicbookmovie.com on the character of Dredd and his importance.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheOldGeek/news/?a=28765 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheOldGeek/news/?a=28765)
There are 5 Dirty Harry films.
Any positive article be it badly written or not is needed after the negative reaction caused by the latest round of spy shots. :|
At the very least its promoting the impending Dredd movie.
Had a quick glance, I see what you mean, he must of had the spellcheck turned off when he finished it. :D
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 January, 2011, 03:26:59 PM
Quote from: radiator on 26 January, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
That articles a bit crap isn't it?
I don't want to seem rude, but I'm assuming that English is not the first language of the writer.
Must've wrote it in French and pasted it into Google Translate.
It's not the spelling and grammar I had a problem with - it's that it's just a totally pointless article that shows zero understanding or knowledge of the character.
This is my favourite bit:
QuoteEven forgoing Romance among them selves.
Plenty of
sex yet heartbreakingly, no romance.
Quote from: radiator on 26 January, 2011, 08:21:13 PM
It's not the spelling and grammar I had a problem with - it's that it's just a totally pointless article that shows zero understanding or knowledge of the character.
This is true, however I suspect the outlook expressed in the article reflects many young teenage boys' (and girls') understanding of Dredd, and didn't many of us (possibly most of us, certainly myself included) first get into Dredd when we were teenagers? I certainly have no problem admitting I saw Dredd in this light when I was in my teens. (Perhaps I was just a particularly unsophisticated teenager, but I doubt that somehow.)
When you're a geeky teenager who gets bullied at school by all the other guys who are far too cool to read comics (they're for little kids!), the idea of the Judge Dredd who shows up to kick the bullies arses, showing them no mercy, is very appealing. Those of us who keep reading as we get older and wiser soon realise there's a bit more to Dredd than that and he's not exactly the 'good guy'... which only makes things even more interesting.
Take a random selection of Dredd stories. There are some stories in which he is very definitely portrayed as the good guy. There are others in which there is no doubt that he's the bad guy. The best Dredd stories of all, though, are the ones which make us think and leave us wondering... was he right or wrong? John Wagner in particular excels at these, which is why he's still by far the best Dredd writer.
Old news but as we are so info starved I found this Empire magazine clip with the producers of Dredd pretty interesting. You folks might've already seen it of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSN11HkB4UM&feature=fvsr
"Our idea is to make a very hard... gritty movie... we've got to get the tone right... his bike is gonna feel real... John Wagner is involved at every decision."
Article on CTFS and Dredd, in PDF format.
http://www.ctfs.co.za/images/stories/pdf/Indwe-Jan2011.pdf
Found here: http://www.ctfs.co.za/
Peter Harris?
That aside, interesting article, especially the bit about the cost benefits of shooting in SA - apparently if Dredd were being made in the US the budget would be closer to $100m!
Hmmm, that depends on what portion of the budget is allocated for VFX, which I think are being done at Prime Focus in London (as well as the stereo post work that isn't being shot on location).
The figures seem a bit squiffy there - wasn't it $45 million being bandied about, not $35 million?
I'd love to know what the 3D actually adds to the budget. I know figures have been mentioned on conversion, but for something natively shot 3D, I wonder how much of the budget is eaten up by it being in 3D.
Judging by what was said by someone saying on the AICN boards, the shoot was going very slowly because of the 3D, with 2-3 setups a day. (Obviously unverifiable)
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 January, 2011, 06:13:21 PM
The figures seem a bit squiffy there - wasn't it $45 million being bandied about, not $35 million?
It was $45 million when Fox searchlight were involved, it may have dropped after they opted out. I'd also say they got a very good deal from Cape Town Studios -who are undercutting Hollywood/European studios- for being a prominent production which may have offset costs.
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 January, 2011, 06:13:21 PM
I'd love to know what the 3D actually adds to the budget. I know figures have been mentioned on conversion, but for something natively shot 3D, I wonder how much of the budget is eaten up by it being in 3D.
I had read it adds 15 million to budget... can't remember where now though.
From what I remember it worked out as X number of dollars per minute based on doing a conversion, like Clash of the Titans, or Alice in Wonderland.
Since Dredd is being shot (mostly) in 3D with some being converted ,
I'm not sure what the cost difference is between the two.
http://www.primefocusworld.com/blog/tony-bradley/2010-11/first-look-karl-urban-new-judge-dredd (http://www.primefocusworld.com/blog/tony-bradley/2010-11/first-look-karl-urban-new-judge-dredd)
Yeah, I guess since this is their first medium-sized production, they may have cut a deal with CTS.
I have yet to see a 3d film myself, but Walter Murch doesn't seem to have much faith in the future of the format:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html (http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html)
I saw Jaws 3 ;)
Quote from: darnmarr on 27 January, 2011, 08:29:49 PM
I have yet to see a 3d film myself, but Walter Murch doesn't seem to have much faith in the future of the format:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html (http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html)
Being an editor I believe 3D is a gimmick that may end up with some exceptions that work really well but I have no artistic interest in it. The technical arguments of less exposure et al are not the really the problem -tech problems are always around- it's that it doesn't really enhace the enjoyment of watching something like a film that can last for 2 hours+, which is how long you may have to endure the gimmick if the film ain't too great.
It doesn't bother me if
Dredd is in 3D as long as there are no stupid
three stooges poking the screen antics and I get to see it 2D too.
Having only ever seen Avatar in 2D, it never particularly felt that it should be
viewed in 3D and I hope Dredd is the same in this respect -and a better film- as I only wish to view it as such.
I tend to agree with that article - I'll only be really interested in 3d when they can do it with totally solid-looking holographic projection (and no glasses!) - like the 'Tri-D' they have in the Judge Dredd comics - I'm especially interested in the possibilities for 3d videogames using that kind of tech.
Current 3d movies just look a little blurry and unconvincing to my eyes. Certain (static) shots look OK, while others just don't work at all.
Watching Predators on DVD, I was made quite aware of 3D usage in the dropping parts. Dropping from the air, into the lagoons. It didn't translate well in 2D. It's like Woolly says with filters on linework in another thread. Its sticks out like a sore thumb!
Quote from: Krombasher on 27 January, 2011, 09:28:53 PM
Watching Predators on DVD, I was made quite aware of 3D usage in the dropping parts. Dropping from the air, into the lagoons. It didn't translate well in 2D. It's like Woolly says with filters on linework in another thread. Its sticks out like a sore thumb!
I don't remember ''Predators'' being in 3-D.
Um.
I don't think Predators was released in 3D either shot natively, or converted in post.
Apart from a couple of IMAX showpieces, I've seen Superman Returns (with post processed 3D elements), Avatar and Toy Story 3D.
Superman returns was by far the worst, with some footage looking pretty off, and other shots looking more miniature than they needed to, in order to emphasise the 3D.
Avatar was middling, Toy Story 3 I found a lot better, although midway I'd forgotten about the 3D.
The main problem I have with 3D is by all accounts it seems that it limits how you can edit and the gains don't seem to outweight what can be lost.
And for smaller budget films, it seems like an extravagance that's more to please distributors than tell a good story.
I guess with Dredd they're pitching the Gore+Slowmo+3D as a selling point (at least to distributors) - aiming it at the Death Race/Rambo/Piranha market.
In my befuddled ignorance... how is shooting in native 3D any more complicated than mounting two cameras side by side to capture stereoscopic images? I can see how it might bump up the cost of CG, given that you would effectively have to render twice for every CG element, which is not insignificant, or am I missing something?
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 January, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
In my befuddled ignorance... how is shooting in native 3D any more complicated than mounting two cameras side by side to capture stereoscopic images? I can see how it might bump up the cost of CG, given that you would effectively have to render twice for every CG element, which is not insignificant, or am I missing something?
Cheers
Jim
From an editing point-of-view I can see problems of shots cutting together. No longer cutting from one 16:9/2:35 2D composed frame to another but an image with elements that actually move in and out of frame, very odd, and a longer edit too. I'm not sure if they cut/edit the stereoscopically shot films in 2D first or cut wearing uncomfortable 3D glasses as well but I can see a lot of to-ing and fro-ing between cutting 2D and viewing in 3D, sounds like a
nightmare to me.
You would also have to shoot/film with these compositional/framing problems in mind, which is why they have the live 3D VT monitor set-up on the set to check if the shots actually cut in the first place. This is what slows the shoot down.
Pacing of shots could well be be off dramatically, or at least a different kind of pacing, which worries me due to having to cu/edit in a way that must factor in how much integral visual info the audience can register in a shot with so much visual info moving in and out of the frame but also making sure the
right visual info the
point/intention/subject of the shot is not lost in the
effect or what I see, for now, as the
gimmick.
There are a lot of other problems too: lighting, blocking of shot etc, but let's just say it's a whole other way of film-making that no one has really cracked it yet to prove there is a cogent drama enhancing reason to shoot that way... It's the stuff of exhibitions still.
More pitfalls I guess, and overall less experience shooting with the equipment, and what works, and what doesn't.
In a similar way that TV crews used to shooting on SD had to get used to HD.
Didn't Torchwood have problems when they first started shooting, and had to reshoot?
With CG, it's not just rendering twice, it's also tricks that might work at the compositing stage in 2D won't for 3D, from what I've read.
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 January, 2011, 10:39:20 PM
In a similar way that TV crews used to shooting on SD had to get used to HD.
With HD, it's all really in the details. New cameras, edit gear, monitors, make-up, new sets etc. It was an increase in video image quality which made some aspects of shooting easier but the film-making stayed the same especially when the exposure latitude increased. With 3D the old methods of pretought into shots, composition, pacing and the amount of pretought for the shoot changes/increases; less room/time for off-the-cuff stuff too.
Guys.. Have to brag a bit here.. I just collected my Best of Dredd book from the studio.. Signed by Karl, Olivia, Lena, Alex Garland, Pete Travis and Lee Grummet, amongst others...
Quote from: Michaelvk on 28 January, 2011, 07:41:55 PM
Guys.. Have to brag a bit here.. I just collected my Best of Dredd book from the studio.. Signed by Karl, Olivia, Lena, Alex Garland, Pete Travis and Lee Grummet, amongst others...
To Ebay!
Just kidding, that's a great souvenir!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 28 January, 2011, 07:41:55 PM
Guys.. Have to brag a bit here.. I just collected my Best of Dredd book from the studio.. Signed by Karl, Olivia, Lena, Alex Garland, Pete Travis and Lee Grummet, amongst others...
Ahh that's all very well but it doesn't beat my Carlos Dredd sketch signed by John Wagner!
I would've had his too.. He was there the day after I 'finished'.
..Another challenging factor about 3d is you can't hide anything. You can't mush stuff together in a composite. Every single element has to be in 3d space.
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 January, 2011, 09:42:30 PM
And for smaller budget films, it seems like an extravagance that's more to please distributors than tell a good story.
I guess with Dredd they're pitching the Gore+Slowmo+3D as a selling point (at least to distributors) - aiming it at the Death Race/Rambo/Piranha market.
That does not inspire confidence. :|
Death Race
Domestic Total Gross: $36,316,032
Production Budget: $45 million
Piranha 3D
Domestic Total Gross: $25,003,155
Production Budget: $24 million
Rambo
Domestic Total Gross: $42,754,105
Production Budget: $50 million
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 28 January, 2011, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 January, 2011, 09:42:30 PM
And for smaller budget films, it seems like an extravagance that's more to please distributors than tell a good story.
I guess with Dredd they're pitching the Gore+Slowmo+3D as a selling point (at least to distributors) - aiming it at the Death Race/Rambo/Piranha market.
That does not inspire confidence. :|
Death Race
Domestic Total Gross: $36,316,032
Production Budget: $45 million
Piranha 3D
Domestic Total Gross: $25,003,155
Production Budget: $24 million
Rambo
Domestic Total Gross: $42,754,105
Production Budget: $50 million
Cos they dont got scripts!
The Death Race remake cost forty-five million?
Roger Corman must be spinning in his grave. I wish he was making this Dredd movie, I've said it many times before, Hollywood needs another director like him. He made the original Little Shop of Horrors in 3 days on a bet. If he was directing this here Dredd film it would be in the cinemas by now and we'd all be talking about how cheesey yet awesome it was.
i rather enjoyed rambo. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zgd18_6DAZ4#t=156s they should get this song in as it was no 1 in the uk charts when judge dredd first appeared in 2000ad :lol:ratta ta ta died law breaker :lol:
Quote from: Michaelvk on 28 January, 2011, 07:53:50 PM
I would've had his too.. He was there the day after I 'finished'.
But you wouldn't have had the original Carlos Dredd sketch... mwwwaaaahhhhaaahhhaaahhhaaahhhhaahhhaaaaa!
Quote from: mogzilla on 28 January, 2011, 10:03:47 PM
i rather enjoyed rambo. :D
Apart from the real footage of Burmese atrocities, which seemed so out of place, I quite enjoyed it as well.
Although I kept thinking of 'It ain't half hot, mum' with the 'concert' in the middle...
Quote from: pops1983 on 28 January, 2011, 09:58:20 PM
The Death Race remake cost forty-five million?
I find that staggering too, especially because all the action was filmed so incompetently that you couldn't see a shred of what was going on, meaning none of that money whatsoever was on screen. Rarely have I been so disappointed by an expected guilty pleasure!
I do hope they are thinking of doing a 3D comic to tie-in with the film (like Superman Beyond), we now even have a Dredd writer who has made a 3D Dredd image:
www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,26949.msg472762.html#msg472762
Or speak to Ray Zone (who the Black Dossier and Superman Beyond 3D comics):
http://ray3dzone.com
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 28 January, 2011, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 28 January, 2011, 07:53:50 PM
I would've had his too.. He was there the day after I 'finished'.
But you wouldn't have had the original Carlos Dredd sketch... mwwwaaaahhhhaaahhhaaahhhaaahhhhaahhhaaaaa!
True.. But I designed the new Lawgiver prop.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 29 January, 2011, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 28 January, 2011, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 28 January, 2011, 07:53:50 PM
I would've had his too.. He was there the day after I 'finished'.
But you wouldn't have had the original Carlos Dredd sketch... mwwwaaaahhhhaaahhhaaahhhaaahhhhaahhhaaaaa!
True.. But I designed the new Lawgiver prop.
Yeah but I... um... looked at a picture of it.
Somewhere, i've got one of the original lawgiver models that the castings were taken from for the 95 film.
Does that count? ;)
That's a minus.
Does two not make a plus?
I am still trying to get my Stallone Movie Lawgiver signed by its designer, who is on my facebook ;_)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 28 January, 2011, 07:41:55 PM
Guys.. Have to brag a bit here.. I just collected my Best of Dredd book from the studio.. Signed by Karl, Olivia, Lena, Alex Garland, Pete Travis and Lee Grummet, amongst others...
Lovely! That's something to treasure! :thumbsup:
Absolutely.. Along with progs 1717 and 1718 that arrived in the post.. :thumbsup:
You guys rock..
Quote from: Teivion on 29 January, 2011, 12:59:41 PM
I am still trying to get my Stallone Movie Lawgiver signed by its designer, who is on my facebook ;_)
Would that be the SD Studios one?
Juno is on Film 4 at 9 tonight (though I guess they probably show it routinely) if anyone wants to check out Olivia Thirlby's (Cassandra Anderson's) performance in the role of Leah.
Think how fucked it'd be if Ellen Page was Ma-Ma.
Or Ellen Degeneres..
Looks like they have updated the Film Page over on IMDB
Lena Headey now listed as "Madeline 'Ma-Ma' Madrigal"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/combined (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/combined)
]
Ahh that's all very well but it doesn't beat my Carlos Dredd sketch signed by John Wagner!
[/quote]
I would love to see that, any chance of posting up a pic :D
Well.. That was that. Wrap party's tomorrow and I've got my crew shirt.. It's a very snazzy long sleeve shirt with a large Dredd badge on the front.. That makes 3 in total: Official, fabrication department and armory department shirts. Props shirt to follow..
:D
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 February, 2011, 05:34:59 PM
That makes 3 in total: Official, fabrication department and armory department shirts. Props shirt to follow..
I can actually hear Commando Forces' teeth grinding from here.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 February, 2011, 05:34:59 PM
Well.. That was that. Wrap party's tomorrow and I've got my crew shirt.. It's a very snazzy long sleeve shirt with a large Dredd badge on the front.. That makes 3 in total: Official, fabrication department and armory department shirts. Props shirt to follow..
:D
Principal filming at an end then?
To think I could have joined you ;-(
If not, I'd hate to be the shooting crew on Monday morning..
heres hoping the editing crew are now pasting a teaser trailer together with the bike .
Not this early, look at how long it took for Cap'n Merica. We'll be getting cave-paintings, wood-etchings and Daguerrotypes for the next two or so months.
how long before we see any good ie: official photos?
Apparently someone spliced a trailer together.. But that was hear-say.. Apparently it looked pretty good too.. Allegedly..
But they said nothing would be ready for April's KAPOW ;)
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 14 February, 2011, 07:15:53 PM
But they said nothing would be ready for April's KAPOW ;)
Really? I missed that.
There was a tweet/email/post somewhere saying that there would be no footage ready for KAPOW. So who knows, I live in hope :thumbsup:
I never said it was official.. Might have been one of the assistant editors having some fun.
Mark Millar:
Quotecould I just clarify that Andrew (MacDonald, producer) will at best have STILLS from the movie and not actual scenes? The movie will still be shooting at this stage and they won't have anything edited.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29874 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29874)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 14 February, 2011, 08:28:45 PM
I never said it was official.. Might have been one of the assistant editors having some fun.
It wasn't you Michael.
Edit: As radiator has posted above ;)
Quote from: radiator on 14 February, 2011, 08:31:01 PM
Mark Millar:
Quotecould I just clarify that Andrew (MacDonald, producer) will at best have STILLS from the movie and not actual scenes? The movie will still be shooting at this stage and they won't have anything edited.
He lies, the movie has finished it's initial shooting, there will be some additional stuff in March but by April the shoot should be completed unless re-shoots are required.
QuoteJudge Dredd is to shoot at Cape Town Film Studios in South Africa, with the production due to wrap in March 2011.
http://www.thelocationguide.com/blog/2010/08/newsflash-new-judge-dredd-film-to-shoot-at-cape-town-film-studios/
Says here they've had the wrap party...
http://yfrog.com/h4lb61j (http://yfrog.com/h4lb61j)
At least he's covering his bionic eyes.
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg616/scaled.php?tn=0&server=616&filename=lb61.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Editors generally work throughout a film-shoot (checking, cataloguing dailies and scene assemblies) so it's not outlandish to say that something couldn't be knocked up, it's whatever stage the CGI is at that would have implications for any released footage.
Bit late but this Lena Headey on her FB page
Quoteyo !! facebookers ... sorry i have been MIA ...
South Africa was beautiful and complicated as all interesting places are .
Had an absolute ball on Judge Dredd , playing someone is is broken and damaged , who's heart beats with rage and loss.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2011, 10:08:08 PM
At least he's covering his bionic eyes.
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg616/scaled.php?tn=0&server=616&filename=lb61.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Editors generally work throughout a film-shoot (checking, cataloguing dailies and scene assemblies) so it's not outlandish to say that something couldn't be knocked up, it's whatever stage the CGI is at that would have implications for any released footage.
Very interesting. I wonder who took that pic.. I was there when ol' Karl went for a dip (admittedly, the stunt girls were a lot easier on the eye though..). Apparently someone offered one of the stunt guys R5000 (about GBP460) to get Dan The Military Advisor into the pool.. Dan had a 'I'll break your arm look' on his face. No sense of humour.
That's military types for you. Next time I get to a con, I'm going to offer Roger £2.40 and a packet of Quavers if he can get Commando Forces into the hotel spa. Hilarity and mayhem are sure to ensue.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 February, 2011, 07:03:44 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2011, 10:08:08 PM
At least he's covering his bionic eyes.
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg616/scaled.php?tn=0&server=616&filename=lb61.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Editors generally work throughout a film-shoot (checking, cataloguing dailies and scene assemblies) so it's not outlandish to say that something couldn't be knocked up, it's whatever stage the CGI is at that would have implications for any released footage.
Very interesting. I wonder who took that pic.. I was there when ol' Karl went for a dip (admittedly, the stunt girls were a lot easier on the eye though..). Apparently someone offered one of the stunt guys R5000 (about GBP460) to get Dan The Military Advisor into the pool.. Dan had a 'I'll break your arm look' on his face. No sense of humour.
I read that as Stunt Guy R5000, like he's some kind of disposable robot...
The guy's a REME with an over inflated opinion of himself, with a sprinkling of BS as a topping. He was asking for a dunking.. (He kicked me out of the room when they presented the Lawgivers to the lead actors. I'm slightly bitter, and being 50% Irish I'll never forget..)
...I've forgotten what I was going to say now..
That's a bit shit - if you've been working hard on something, it's only right to see how it's received by the people who are going to be using them.
Domhnall Gleeson Interview (http://www.movies.ie/movie%20news/Domhnall_Gleeson_Interview__Star_of_TRUE_GRIT_NEVER_LET_ME_GO__the_new_JUDGE_DREDD_Movie)
...you're working with Karl Urban on remake of Judge Dredd - what can you tell us?
A: It's early days yet! I can't really say too much - it's from the same producers as Never Let Me Go. I can say that it's going to be EPIC and in 3D but with a very moral aspect to the story. If it works out as they've described, it's going to be very big.
...moral?
Yeah, the moral being 'Don't get in the way of a standard execution round'
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg616/scaled.php?tn=0&server=616&filename=lb61.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
surprised their have been no complaints about the hot tub design not staying faithful to the comic
Quote from: ANDY T on 16 February, 2011, 03:32:06 PM
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg616/scaled.php?tn=0&server=616&filename=lb61.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
surprised their have been no complaints about the hot tub design not staying faithful to the comic
Not to mention the row of Manta Patrol Vehicles in the background..... nothing like the comic!!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 February, 2011, 05:34:59 PM
Well.. That was that. Wrap party's tomorrow and I've got my crew shirt.. It's a very snazzy long sleeve shirt with a large Dredd badge on the front.. That makes 3 in total: Official, fabrication department and armory department shirts. Props shirt to follow..
:D
Add an SFX shirt to that :D
You will have to be careful now, CF will be hunting you down. But at least you will have pride of place in the Cellar of Dredd and the collection will be complete when he gets his hands on a prop lawgiver.
V
Michael, don't forget that I love you :wave:
Any news on merchandise for this film yet? Action figs and deluxe helmets needed asap if you're reading DNA/Rebellion
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 February, 2011, 07:42:20 PM
Any news on merchandise for this film yet? Action figs and deluxe helmets needed asap if you're reading DNA/Rebellion
DROKK YEAH!!! C'mon Rebellion, you guys need to get NECA to make some super detailed/super articulated ''COMIC VERSION'' Action Figures. :thumbsup: I would buy ''Movie Based'' figures, BUT I really want proper comic versions.
Plus the ''REAL'' Lawgiver Mk II, Helmet & Chain/Badge from the comic.
Unfortunately as soon as they called wrap it all went under lock and key..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 06:10:44 AM
Unfortunately as soon as they called wrap it all went under lock and key..
Is all the principle photography finished then?
From what I've heard they finished some pick ups yesterday.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 10:20:34 AM
From what I've heard they finished some pick ups yesterday.
Do you think, judging from your experience
Michaelvk whether there will be any re shoots, extra scenes to do etc or is it in the can?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 February, 2011, 07:42:20 PM
Any news on merchandise for this film yet? Action figs and deluxe helmets needed asap if you're reading DNA/Rebellion
Thats a no then.....this info drought is killing me,all good things i suppose/hope...
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 18 February, 2011, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 10:20:34 AM
From what I've heard they finished some pick ups yesterday.
Do you think, judging from your experience Michaelvk whether there will be any re shoots, extra scenes to do etc or is it in the can?
That is usually decided or
realised during editing.
Haven't a clue.. Just finished on a Ribina commercial which took me 3 weeks.. I'm a bit out of the loop. The commercial looks nice though. I can tell you all you want on that one..
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 18 February, 2011, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 February, 2011, 07:42:20 PM
Any news on merchandise for this film yet? Action figs and deluxe helmets needed asap if you're reading DNA/Rebellion
Thats a no then.....this info drought is killing me,all good things i suppose/hope...
It's not DNA or Rebellion.. IM Global are who's controlling info on this one.
CF, at least buy me a drink first!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 08:49:27 PM
Haven't a clue.. Just finished on a Ribina commercial which took me 3 weeks.. I'm a bit out of the loop. The commercial looks nice though. I can tell you all you want on that one..
What sort of guns are in the commercial?
None.. But I had my M9 bayonet on set.. And I had my airsoft FN SCAR in the car one day during fabrication..
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 18 February, 2011, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 08:49:27 PM
Haven't a clue.. Just finished on a Ribina commercial which took me 3 weeks.. I'm a bit out of the loop. The commercial looks nice though. I can tell you all you want on that one..
What sort of guns are in the commercial?
Are the tyres of a suitable width?
its ribina some time since we,ve seen some new still pictures :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sounds rubbish. I bet it's nothing like real Ribena. It's an insult to real Ribena fans everywhere.
I blame Rebellion. If they'd used my Ribena screenplay, all this could have been avoided.
Wibble!
Jim
I heard they used a kiwi.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 18 February, 2011, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 18 February, 2011, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 08:49:27 PM
Haven't a clue.. Just finished on a Ribina commercial which took me 3 weeks.. I'm a bit out of the loop. The commercial looks nice though. I can tell you all you want on that one..
What sort of guns are in the commercial?
Are the tyres of a suitable width?
You'll be happy to know that the tractor's tyres are perfectly in scale with the rest of the vehicle, and thus true to the original.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 08:49:27 PM
Just finished on a Ribina commercial which took me 3 weeks..
You fools! Michael clearly stated he was working on a
Ribina advert, not a Ribena advert!
I'm sure, thanks to Michaels hard work, plenty of people will visit Ribina (http://travelingluck.com/Africa/Nigeria/Nigeria%20%28general%29/_2324527_Ribina.html#local_map) to see its famous tractors.
Massey Ferguson's better. (I'm trying to incite a Tractor related flame war)
Massey is classy, but Zetor is bettor.
As I always say on these occasions.
My massey'll pull a bus so it will
We used an old grey.. Classic massey.. I painted it red however..
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm285/Tractorsnapper/Marshall%20Tractors/Marshall100HalfTrack.jpg)
MAD MAX Tractor. My God I'm putting Tractor images onto a thirty year old[ish] comic book website.
What happened to my life?
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 20 February, 2011, 11:25:02 AM
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm285/Tractorsnapper/Marshall%20Tractors/Marshall100HalfTrack.jpg)
MAD MAX Tractor. My God I'm putting Tractor images onto a thirty year old[ish] comic book website.
What happened to my life?
I'd park it next to this :D
(http://www.thestarphoenix.com/cars/1456710.bin?size=620x400)
You could build a decent landraider/killdozer around that tractor! That's a free tip for the sequel, michaelvk!
I'll definitely mention it.. And get ignored :)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 28 January, 2011, 07:41:55 PM
Guys.. Have to brag a bit here.. I just collected my Best of Dredd book from the studio.. Signed by Karl, Olivia, Lena, Alex Garland, Pete Travis and Lee Grummet, amongst others...
Here's a pic, by the by..
Good of them to sign this. A collectors item I believe.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 20 February, 2011, 12:22:56 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 28 January, 2011, 07:41:55 PM
Guys.. Have to brag a bit here.. I just collected my Best of Dredd book from the studio.. Signed by Karl, Olivia, Lena, Alex Garland, Pete Travis and Lee Grummet, amongst others...
Here's a pic, by the by..
You guys are the law according to the diector...
Quote from: Michaelvk on 20 February, 2011, 12:17:07 PM
I'll definitely mention it.. And get ignored :)
who said that :lol:
That list of siggies in your book is brill Michael. I reckon with a bit of skill you can change Karls words to 'FOR THE BEST SEX' and all with two small lines ;)
Now if you are talking about tractors then Porsche used to do a stylish line, this would not look out of place on the streets of Mega City One :o
(http://www.porschetractors.com/images/55-1.jpg)
Lambo also does Tractors:
(http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/08/05/toro-1_z8eoj_7071.jpg)
Would also fit in well in mega-city one, but would look completely out of place in Inishowen
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 20 February, 2011, 08:03:11 PM
That list of siggies in your book is brill Michael. I reckon with a bit of skill you can change Karls words to 'FOR THE BEST SEX' and all with two small lines ;)
I threw up in my mouth a little..
Quote from: pops1983 on 20 February, 2011, 08:24:12 PM
Lambo also does Tractors:
(http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/08/05/toro-1_z8eoj_7071.jpg)
Would also fit in well in mega-city one, but would look completely out of place in Inishowen
Didn't they use that in the '95 Dredd ?
They should've..
Had a dream that I was watching the new film last night. It was rubbish. So total opposite of what I'm expecting.
Security on the shoot must have been pretty tight... I'm surprised there weren't more 'spy shots' of the filming.... The Hobbit hasn't even started shooting yet and there are already set pics leaked.....http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011/02/19/42324-exclusive-ringer-spy-mr-anderson-shares-miramar-shots/ (http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011/02/19/42324-exclusive-ringer-spy-mr-anderson-shares-miramar-shots/)
We gotta be gettin something official soon.... the wait is killing me!
Pah, that looks nothing like the Lonely Mountain. And as for those Goblin chariots...
(http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/021811miramar02.jpg)
I'm not going to watch it either at the cinema or on DVD as it looks crap from that photo.
Quote from: uncle fester on 22 February, 2011, 12:12:47 PM
I'm not going to watch it either at the cinema or on DVD as it looks crap from that photo.
Yeah, that traffic cone looks nothing like the one in the book, those vehicles look too futuristic and those buildings look too 1980's.
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 February, 2011, 12:10:18 PM
Pah, that looks nothing like the Lonely Mountain. And as for those Goblin chariots...
(http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/021811miramar02.jpg)
Hey man don't you know it's not properly
composed and
lit, and it's a camera-phone. Give it a chance.
Is that a yellow car on top of the hill? :-\
Quote from: charleswalter1860 on 22 February, 2011, 03:03:23 PM
Is that a yellow car on top of the hill? :-\
I think that's meant to be Smaug.
Since when are dragons yellow? :o
That's the problem with sleeping on a mound of cheap movie-gold. The paint wears off on your scales.
Is that a Hobbit in that milk float? This is just pure lazy film making. They look nothing like the drawings in the book!
TheOneRing.net, are you sure that that isn't a porn site ;)
Snigger. You guuuuys....!
I noticed this on the site:
QuoteIf you look closely at some of the pictures, you'll notice that the architecture seems to resemble that of Moria. I'm sure we can all draw our own conclusions, but could this be a flashforward sequence for Moria?
I take it the writer hasn't read the Hobbit. From what I remember, Moria doesn't feature in the story, unless it's one of those 'off-stage' sequences that will fill out two films.
There is a whole long tunnel sequence involving goblins and the misty mountains if I remember correctly though.... Mind you, I don't remember pillars mentioned, but I'd assume the larger caverns where the goblins hang out would need some structural support...
Quote from: Mardroid on 22 February, 2011, 05:00:48 PM
Snigger. You guuuuys....!
I noticed this on the site:
QuoteIf you look closely at some of the pictures, you'll notice that the architecture seems to resemble that of Moria. I'm sure we can all draw our own conclusions, but could this be a flashforward sequence for Moria?
I take it the writer hasn't read the Hobbit. From what I remember, Moria doesn't feature in the story, unless it's one of those 'off-stage' sequences that will fill out two films.
There is a whole long tunnel sequence involving goblins and the misty mountains if I remember correctly though.... Mind you, I don't remember pillars mentioned, but I'd assume the larger caverns where the goblins hang out would need some structural support...
I take it you haven't read the Hobbit. :) The Loney Mountain which is their ultimate goal and where Smaug lives is a Dwarven city.
Flash-forwards? Doubt it.
They'll never fit in flash-forwards without exceeding the critical 97-minute mark and alienating a key segment of the potential audience. The small blue dollar is king!
Quote from: James Stacey on 22 February, 2011, 05:24:48 PM
I take it you haven't read the Hobbit. :) The Loney Mountain which is their ultimate goal and where Smaug lives is a Dwarven city.
It could be the Lonely Mountain certainly. But they mentioned Moria too, and that was what I was referencing.
First-tractors.
Now-f***ing hobbits.
Give us an image DNA or whoever. Just one more image to save our sanity p-l-e-a-s-e!
Smaug looks like a car. Have those Hollywood morons made him a transformer?
"Small blue dollar"? How very dare you, sir?! There's no way i shall ever be seeing this. See that hot, steaming beverage over there? That's my cup of tea. See that fetid, steaming cup off hobbit urine over there? That's not.
SBT
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 22 February, 2011, 06:39:57 PM
Smaug looks like a car. Have those Hollywood morons made him a transformer?
...tires aren't thick enough either
Okay, I suppose I better post an exclusive of me shooting Dredd from the movie. Look at how slow those SJS are, I get the drop on them both :D
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/MegacityJusticeUK%20Items/MeshootingDredd.jpg)
Oops! Wrong movie, sorry about the quality but it is a polaroid. Notice the Dredd T-Shirt Mr Proudhuff ;)
why in the name of god didnt you fire?
That Hobbit photo looks too teal and orange.
Hobbits?
I can't leave you alone for a second, can I?
We won't make it. We'll all have gone Lagy Gaga long before the DREDD film comes out.
Quote from: radiator on 14 February, 2011, 08:31:01 PM
Mark Millar:
Quotecould I just clarify that Andrew (MacDonald, producer) will at best have STILLS from the movie and not actual scenes? The movie will still be shooting at this stage and they won't have anything edited.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29874 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29874)
I wonder if this is the first time Millar was not exaggerating and he even seems to have underestimated things (although getting the filming done early helps):
QuoteExclusive footage from Pete Travis's Dredd will be shown at Mark Millar's Kapow! Comic Con in April.
Producer Andrew Macdonald - whose credits include Trainspotting and The Last King Of Scotland - will give fans a sneak preview of the movie reboot at the London event.
"It is fantastic to be involved with Kapow! and I'm really looking forward to talking to all the fans about our upcoming Dredd movie," said Macdonald. "I'll be on the 2000AD panel with a little taster of what people can look forward to from our 2012 release."
www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a291352/dredd-footage-to-be-shown-at-kapow.html
Bring it on, I may have to wear a crash helmet for fear my head will explode :D
QuoteExclusive footage from Pete Travis's Dredd will be shown at Mark Millar's Kapow! Comic Con in April.
www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a291352/dredd-footage-to-be-shown-at-kapow.html
The press release never mentioned footage. A news site misreported, and it was regurgitated.
I think this was the first report:
http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.com/2010/12/london-kapw-comic-event-snags-judge.html?
Well someone will get to glimpse the first images of the Dredd flick.
Might invest in a ticket but we'll see. £25 for two days and £15 for either Sat or Sun. Not bad value.
Trouble is as always travelling which simply never agress with me.
This may be what Karl Urban will sound like as Dredd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB034wjwp3o&feature=player_embedded#at=51
Something like that would work. ;) He seems to be doing a bit of a Clint Eastwood impression in Priest so I think he'll do that in Dredd. A whispery but authoritative voice.
Hi Dudes
Firstly i think the overall look that they are going for is an early dredd which imho is a good thing as we do want to banish the memories of 95's disaster so me personally i'm giving this photo my thumbs up 'cos at least they is making a movie about our hallowed judge,so i will be queing up late at night to be the 1st one in my town to see this movie and if it goes the way the vast majority of us hope then we should be in for a definite blockbuster after all Urban was very good in DOOM (love that movie)
I don't think the headbodds on this movie would deliberatly take us too far from the source material to be unrecognisable as may be the fears of some on this board,i think they'll get the action right me i can't wait to see the city!
oh btw can anyone tell me how to get my judge death icon back?
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 22 February, 2011, 06:36:56 PM
First-tractors.
Now-f***ing hobbits.
Give us an image DNA or whoever. Just one more image to save our sanity p-l-e-a-s-e!
Just one wouldnt hurt , would it ?
Bah, we've already seen Karl Urban as Dredd, a hottie stand, some Justice Department cars, and grafitti, what else do you want?
One official marketing picture would be nice, none of this guerilla shite we've been leeching off for months.
At this point I'm enjoying the peace and quiet. Much as I'd love to see some official material, it is rather like sending your goats over the bridge.
I had a text from a friend (one not prone to bullshine and shinola) last night, just catching up after an extended period of absence. He works on the borders of the film industry, so ocassionally sends me stuff of interest/gossip/spoilers, etc. In the text, towards the end, he asked me 'what i thought of the dredd and anderson pics from the new movie?'. I imediately replied that no one has seen the anderson ones yet! and could he send me one if that wasnt a mistake?
Ive yet to get a response- but that's not unusual. So nobody get yer hopes up!
SBT
QuoteGive us an image DNA or whoever. Just one more image to save our sanity p-l-e-a-s-e!
Just one wouldnt hurt , would it ?
Message boarder, Michaelvk, worked on the film in a small capacity but was reprimanded for posting stuff so it's possible DNA don't want to release anything in case some fans moan or it provokes a negative reaction. A teaser trailer could hit the cinemas and be online in the summer?
In terms of sending out a good vibe, one quality image of Urban in the uniform, looking the part, could get a lot of fans being more supportive about the film. Imagine something like this done with Dredd:
(http://www.eatsleepgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/robocop2.jpg)
I have no idea if poster designs/promo shots are done just after filming or later on prior to the film's release, but something like that poster officially released onto the net could excite fans and interest film goers and sci-fi fans.
False alarm! He meant 'lawmaster' and was a bit pished when he texted.
SBT
Quote from: 4000ad on 27 March, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
Message boarder, Michaelvk, worked on the film in a small capacity but was reprimanded for posting stuff so it's possible DNA don't want to release anything in case some fans moan or it provokes a negative reaction.
It's their lethargy at not giving us one 'decent' image that has allowed negativity to grow. I would have preferred complete and utter media silence on the matter but the fact that they refused to counteract 'bad' pictures is a mistake.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 March, 2011, 01:31:41 PM
False alarm! He meant 'lawmaster' and was a bit pished when he texted.
SBT
Are you calling Anderson a bike?
How dare you, sir!
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 March, 2011, 01:51:48 PMAre you calling Anderson a bike?
How dare you, sir!
She knew you'd say that.
Quote from: 4000ad on 27 March, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
QuoteGive us an image DNA or whoever. Just one more image to save our sanity p-l-e-a-s-e!
Just one wouldnt hurt , would it ?
Message boarder, Michaelvk, worked on the film in a small capacity but was reprimanded for posting stuff so it's possible DNA don't want to release anything in case some fans moan or it provokes a negative reaction. A teaser trailer could hit the cinemas and be online in the summer?
In terms of sending out a good vibe, one quality image of Urban in the uniform, looking the part, could get a lot of fans being more supportive about the film. Imagine something like this done with Dredd:
(http://www.eatsleepgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/robocop2.jpg)
I have no idea if poster designs/promo shots are done just after filming or later on prior to the film's release, but something like that poster officially released onto the net could excite fans and interest film goers and sci-fi fans.
That would indeed be awesome. Although, at this ponit, even something like this could be just as neat(provided Urban has helmet on, ofcourse ;)):
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l296/shazam-kree/Dreddposter.jpg)
I've seen Anderson.. Handed her her Lawgiver on a few occasions even.. Not that that's of any use to any of you..
It seems there was a massive, and dare I say counter productive lockdown on all and any information since That Day. In fact even studio security got massively beefed up (for South African standards) too..
Damn you! I thought we were going to see something once your name popped up. Ah well, better luck at KAPOW ::)
Soon our patience will be rewarded.
Or exploited.
One or the other.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 April, 2011, 07:45:42 PM
Damn you! I thought we were going to see something once your name popped up. Ah well, better luck at KAPOW ::)
Sorry :( I really, really want to, but.. Haven't forgotten about you by the way..
Four more days until Kapow-Con. Do you think we can expect a satisfactory presentation, Michael?
If there is one?
Haven't got a clue.. I'm so far removed from the process now it's impossible to tell.. Hopefully they'll make up for the quiet with a snippet of cracking footage. If anyone's going, tell whoever's there I say hi..
I bought Judge Dredd - The Pit recently and was struck by the likeness of Dredd's helmet on the front cover with the clay sculpture and final finished helmet that Karl Urban is wearing in that movie still. Looks as if that image was used as the inspiration me thinks....
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/judgepalmer/JudgeDreddfinishedhelmet2011movie.jpg)
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/judgepalmer/Judge-Dredd-The-Pit-2000-Ad-Graphic-Novels.jpg)
Its that Dredd panel this weekend? if anybody goes ask them about merchandising will you please,i want the Helmet so badly.And take some sly pics ;)
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 07 April, 2011, 06:29:50 PM
Its that Dredd panel this weekend? if anybody goes ask them about merchandising will you please,i want the Helmet so badly.And take some sly pics ;)
Ya! And ask about Action Figuers. :lol:
Sly's not in this one. It's some aussie. Paul Hogan, or something.
SBT
Ha,would love to see Hogan as Judge Bruce(was that his name? been a while),shorts n all
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 07 April, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Ha,would love to see Hogan as Judge Bruce(was that his name? been a while),shorts n all
I am the law, you bloody drongo!
"call that a bootknife?"
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 April, 2011, 06:37:04 PM
Sly's not in this one. It's some aussie. Paul Hogan, or something.
SBT
Talking of Aussies I always thought favourite of the Jews Mel Gibson had the face to play Dredd..pity he's a short arse
Quote from: Beeks on 07 April, 2011, 11:32:47 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 April, 2011, 06:37:04 PM
Sly's not in this one. It's some aussie. Paul Hogan, or something.
SBT
Talking of Aussies I always thought favourite of the Jews Mel Gibson had the face to play Dredd..pity he's a short arse
..and a bit of a muppet.. Got the voice too, probably..
And he'd be great at the old racism, so they could go with the Our Man in Hondo storyline...
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 08 April, 2011, 04:49:38 PM
And he'd be great at the old racism, so they could go with the Our Man in Hondo storyline...
Haha! Our Man in Jerusalem would be better!
In this recent article http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31785 , many things are mentioned except "Dredd" :(
One photo,thats all we need ;)
Is somebody going to film this supposed Dredd presentation in full HD on an iphone and post it on the web? :ssh:
Quote from: weehawk on 08 April, 2011, 09:42:53 PM
In this recent article http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31785 , many things are mentioned except "Dredd" :(
The show will wrap Sunday evening with "Movie X" -- the premier of an upcoming genre movie that won't be announced until the moment the reel starts to roll. "It could be anything. Nobody knows what it's going to be. That's closing the whole convention."
Hmmmm.....
Best not to get hopes up though.
Its probably X Men: FC
Think we can safely say the Dredd movie isn't ready to premiere just yet...
Quote from: doggettX on 09 April, 2011, 03:22:48 AMThe show will wrap Sunday evening with "Movie X" -- the premier of an upcoming genre movie that won't be announced until the moment the reel starts to roll. "It could be anything. Nobody knows what it's going to be. That's closing the whole convention."
Hmmmm.....
Best not to get hopes up though.
Its probably X Men: FC
I believe it's
Thor considering they said it's a film about a superhero with a strange name and Captain America is still doing re-shoots. Dredd wouldn't even be out of an edit-suite yet.
So the 2000AD panel should have finished,any news or piccys.....anyone?
I'm beginning to wonder if DREDD hasn't been scrapped altogether.... the complete reluctance of the studio to release any official stuff just cannot be a good sign.
You'd think the KAPOW event would be the ideal opportunity to kick off the publicity machine for DREDD.... I'mean, it'll be in the cinema in 9 months and there has been nothing officially released... no teaser posters... teaser trailers little or no concept art beyond the few images Jock put out (and even they were very vague as to what the actual film would look like... as the one released pic of Dredd has little resembelence to the Jock pics.. big pads etc.....)
So I'm asking.... are we EVER gonna see DREDD at all??
Quote from: Buddy on 09 April, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if DREDD hasn't been scrapped altogether.... the complete reluctance of the studio to release any official stuff just cannot be a good sign.
You'd think the KAPOW event would be the ideal opportunity to kick off the publicity machine for DREDD.... I'mean, it'll be in the cinema in 9 months and there has been nothing officially released... no teaser posters... teaser trailers little or no concept art beyond the few images Jock put out (and even they were very vague as to what the actual film would look like... as the one released pic of Dredd has little resembelence to the Jock pics.. big pads etc.....)
So I'm asking.... are we EVER gonna see DREDD at all??
I think that's jumping-the-gun, I'm sure it's just a matter of witholding until they have something more polished and ready for launch; it only stopped filming a month ago, look at how long it took to see Captain America/Thor stuff. They need to be careful considering they've a lot of damage to overcome with Dredd's movie perception. As for it being released 9 months from now I wouldn't trust IMDB for release dates as they constantly change and it's seems a bit soon to me for such a film with a lot of post-production. Target dates ae only preliminary and rarely 'stick' just like stupid convention promises.
As for The 'Jock' pictures, they were done on
spec before he was commissioned to work on the film so they have nothing to do with the actual production and were not released by DNA, so it's an unfair correlation that's been floating round the web. If it were me I'd show a few good costume photos and that's all until a really good teaser could be shown.
Also, given the sheer amount of money the rights went for, shutting the entire thing down would be a costly and bizarre exercise.
They could sell the footage to the fans and we could all cut our own Dredd flick!
Take Green Lantern as an example, the first 'too early' convention appearance was pathetic and shouldn't have happened but it looks good from it's more recent trailer.
Point.
Is the film definitely out in December?Some effects heavy films have up to an 18 months post production process,if thats the case with Dredd it could be ages before we see anything at all.
As I mentioned, there's no official release date from DNA.
Wonder where i got December from? anyway...
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 April, 2011, 10:38:32 AM
Quote from: doggettX on 09 April, 2011, 03:22:48 AMThe show will wrap Sunday evening with "Movie X" -- the premier of an upcoming genre movie that won't be announced until the moment the reel starts to roll. "It could be anything. Nobody knows what it's going to be. That's closing the whole convention."
Hmmmm.....
Best not to get hopes up though.
Its probably X Men: FC
I believe it's Thor considering they said it's a film about a superhero with a strange name and Captain America is still doing re-shoots. Dredd wouldn't even be out of an edit-suite yet.
Ah...
I thought they meant an exteneded trailer like what happened with Green Lantern at Wondercon.
So a whole movie is going to be on show?
Should be intresting.
Yeah, I'd go with Thor too.
Quote from: Buddy on 09 April, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if DREDD hasn't been scrapped altogether.... the complete reluctance of the studio to release any official stuff just cannot be a good sign.
You'd think the KAPOW event would be the ideal opportunity to kick off the publicity machine for DREDD.... I'mean, it'll be in the cinema in 9 months and there has been nothing officially released... no teaser posters... teaser trailers little or no concept art beyond the few images Jock put out (and even they were very vague as to what the actual film would look like... as the one released pic of Dredd has little resembelence to the Jock pics.. big pads etc.....)
So I'm asking.... are we EVER gonna see DREDD at all??
You can rest assured that we
will see Dredd, and that the movie is most certainly
not scrapped. What could possibly even make you think that?
For this period here, after shooting has completed and before the marketing has commenced, it is perfectly NORMAL and STANDARD PROCEDURE with complete and total media silence. It is neither a good sign nor a bad sign, it is is simply the normal state of affairs when the movie is in post production.
The only thing that we should be worried about is the fact that LGF will be handling the marketing, for they are really crap it. Still, they no doubt have a marketing plan, and beleive it or not, the current media blackout is part of that plan.
Quote from: Buddy on 09 April, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if DREDD hasn't been scrapped altogether.... the complete reluctance of the studio to release any official stuff just cannot be a good sign.
You'd think the KAPOW event would be the ideal opportunity to kick off the publicity machine for DREDD.... I'mean, it'll be in the cinema in 9 months and there has been nothing officially released... no teaser posters... teaser trailers little or no concept art beyond the few images Jock put out (and even they were very vague as to what the actual film would look like... as the one released pic of Dredd has little resembelence to the Jock pics.. big pads etc.....)
So I'm asking.... are we EVER gonna see DREDD at all??
Ummm? Seriously? You think a company would shelve a $50 dollar movie because..?
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 09 April, 2011, 04:36:08 PMUmmm? Seriously? You think a company would shelve a $50 dollar movie because..?
cos s'only fiddy dollas.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 09 April, 2011, 04:36:08 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 09 April, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if DREDD hasn't been scrapped altogether.... the complete reluctance of the studio to release any official stuff just cannot be a good sign.
You'd think the KAPOW event would be the ideal opportunity to kick off the publicity machine for DREDD.... I'mean, it'll be in the cinema in 9 months and there has been nothing officially released... no teaser posters... teaser trailers little or no concept art beyond the few images Jock put out (and even they were very vague as to what the actual film would look like... as the one released pic of Dredd has little resembelence to the Jock pics.. big pads etc.....)
So I'm asking.... are we EVER gonna see DREDD at all??
Ummm? Seriously? You think a company would shelve a $50 dollar movie because..?
No.. I don't think they would shevle a $50 movie or a $50 million dollar movie for that matter (although it has happened).. I'm just remarking at the media blackout surrounding the film... it's as if they don't want us to see what it's like.
I think I would do the same. No point having unfinished, rough snippets released to be scrutinised and slagged off by fans for the poor quality PHOTO'S, film clips etc.
Why does that sound familiar?
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 09 April, 2011, 05:45:35 PM
I think I would do the same. No point having unfinished, rough snippets released to be scrutinised and slagged off by fans for the poor quality PHOTO'S, film clips etc.
as if that would happen.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1160777p1.html
Great article. Loved this bit.
QuoteIt's an enthusiasm shared by Jock, who's been providing artwork for the forthcoming film. "I saw some of it yesterday," said Jock, "The lawmaster's the thing that impressed me the most."
"There was a spy shot where someone took a shot of a fat stunt guy sitting on a bike from the side – when it's shot properly from low angle it looks great. It's tough, it's hard, it's violent and it's closest to Carlo [Ezquerra]'s first drawings, Bank Raid, which was deemed too violent. It's grim and it's just great."
V
What a fakkin' idiot.
QuoteSpeaking at a 2000AD panel at today's Kapow! Comic-Con, Gibbons – who created some of the most iconic Dredd imagery during his spell with the gritty law enforcer –was optimistic of a faithful adaptation.
QuoteIt's an enthusiasm shared by Jock, who's been providing artwork for the forthcoming film. "I saw some of it yesterday," said Jock, "The lawmaster's the thing that impressed me the most."
"There was a spy shot where someone took a shot of a fat stunt guy sitting on a bike from the side – when it's shot properly from low angle it looks great. It's tough, it's hard, it's violent and it's closest to Carlo [Ezquerra]'s first drawings, Bank Raid, which was deemed too violent. It's grim and it's just great."
Jock, I love you.
Next year :(
Oh well,i'm not expecting anything for at least six months now.Jocks comments re the Lawmaster have perked me up a bit though.
Quote from: bewareofgeek;597097http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1160777p1.html
The thumbs up from Jock and Mr. Gibbons, thats as good as getting a sneak peek picture of Anderson. Positive feedback on the Lawmaster to. An interesting insight by Jock into how it's shot in the film to give it more visual impact.
My minds gone blank, to much barbacue beer ,...did Dave draw Dredd?
Quote from: dracula1 on 09 April, 2011, 06:37:30 PM
The thumbs up from Jock and Mr. Gibbons, thats as good as getting a sneak peek picture of Anderson.
No.
It isn't.
Quote from: vzzbux on 09 April, 2011, 06:07:22 PM
Great article. Loved this bit.
QuoteIt's an enthusiasm shared by Jock, who's been providing artwork for the forthcoming film. "I saw some of it yesterday," said Jock, "The lawmaster's the thing that impressed me the most."
"There was a spy shot where someone took a shot of a fat stunt guy sitting on a bike from the side – when it's shot properly from low angle it looks great. It's tough, it's hard, it's violent and it's closest to Carlo [Ezquerra]'s first drawings, Bank Raid, which was deemed too violent. It's grim and it's just great."
V
...told you so..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 09 April, 2011, 07:01:32 PM
...told you so..
Well you didn't really...but feel free to expand.
well, they're saying what I was trying to reassure you guys about. Violent, looks better than the spy pics etc..
Has this already happened?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=25948
QuoteAndrew Macdonald, producer of international blockbuster hits such as Trainspotting, 28 Days Later and Last King of Scotland will be talking about the upcoming Dredd, based on Judge Dredd from the 2000AD comics.
Andrew explains, "It is fantastic to be involved with Kapow! and I'm really looking forward to talking to all the fans about our upcoming Dredd movie. I'll be on the 2000AD panel with a little taster of what people can look forward to from our 2012 release".
Quote from: Cyclopz on 09 April, 2011, 07:50:09 PM
Has this already happened?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=25948
QuoteAndrew Macdonald, producer of international blockbuster hits such as Trainspotting, 28 Days Later and Last King of Scotland will be talking about the upcoming Dredd, based on Judge Dredd from the 2000AD comics.
Andrew explains, "It is fantastic to be involved with Kapow! and I'm really looking forward to talking to all the fans about our upcoming Dredd movie. I'll be on the 2000AD panel with a little taster of what people can look forward to from our 2012 release".
It was 'cancelled' though not officially -more ignored- they just hope no one turns up and asks about it. Send all hate mail to Mark Millar for not confirming anything.
ITS gone straight to dvd :lol: :lol:
>:( Whoever is responsible for this Fubar needs to do some heavy time.I was really looking forward to today.If nothing is coming out simply say so and announce when things can be expected to come out-not all this b*ll*cks.
I'm off to kick my cat (no dog available)
QuoteIt was 'cancelled' though not officially -more ignored- they just hope no one turns up and asks about it. Send all hate mail to Mark Millar for not confirming anything.
Hmm...
Ok then but if there are official stills floating about that look so fantastic and could counter negative publicity, why haven't we seen them yet? Because they are out there.
Contrary to what has been said on this thread previously, Stills from the new Marvel Films
were released at this stage of production. I Guess whoever is in charge assumes there is just not enough interest in the Dredd film.
Quite Frankly I couldn't give a shit about the Captain America Superman Spiderman Dark Knight Thor Avengers Justice League or Green Lantern movies.
Apparently release dates mentioned were Q1 2012, or around this time next year according to who you spoke to.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 09 April, 2011, 08:29:26 PMOk then but if there are official stills floating about that look so fantastic and could counter negative publicity, why haven't we seen them yet? Because they are out there.
Out where? They have footage too, that's not out 'there'.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 09 April, 2011, 08:29:26 PM
Contrary to what has been said on this thread previously, Stills from the new Marvel Films were released at this stage of production.
We've all ready had one still, that's basically all that existed of those other movies too. The film only stopped shooting a month ago.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 09 April, 2011, 08:29:26 PM
I Guess whoever is in charge assumes there is just not enough interest in the Dredd film.
If that were the case, they wouldn't be making it.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 09 April, 2011, 08:29:26 PM
Quite Frankly I couldn't give a shit about the Captain America Superman Spiderman Dark Knight Thor Avengers Justice League or Green Lantern movies.
but many people are, if you don't like 'em, don't see 'em.
QuoteOut where? They have footage too, that's not out 'there'.
Space
QuoteWe've all ready had one still, that's basically all that existed of those other movies too. The film only stopped shooting a month ago.
Official Photo? Because the one that we've all seen looked pretty dark and out of focus to me
QuoteIf that were the case, they wouldn't be making it.
Not talking about the Film makers Per se, just whoever's marketing it.
Quotebut many people are, if you don't like 'em, don't see 'em.
I might like em, don't know yet. But Right now I'm interested in this film, which is why I'm on this forum.
Enough of this for today anyway.
I have a life.
''Enough of this for today anyway.
I have a life.''
Show off ;)
Quote from: Cyclopz on 09 April, 2011, 09:43:32 PM
Enough of this for today anyway.
I have a life.
Turning off your computer does not constitute having a 'life'.
So.. They didn't do anything? That's.. Disappointing..
seconded >:(
I wonder how many people paid for tickets just for the Dredd preview.
Well i personally am waiting not with baited breath for the dredd movie as i did in 95 and was let down by a midget who can't speak who was put in the hallowed uniform of Dredd i just wanna know has anyone seen any images of mega city1? and if they are holding off till next year to release this beast from it cage then all i can say is the effects had better be mind blowing if not i'll vent my spleen on this here board but i'm still hopefull (even though my girlfriend says the lawmaster looks like an overdone anal plug :lol: :lol: oh yeah where is the semi circle ammo selector on the bloody lawgiver?
What was the plot in "Bank Raid"?
Quote from: weehawk on 10 April, 2011, 03:48:13 AM
What was the plot in "Bank Raid"?
I think a group of perps raided a bank.
Yeah, that's what I thought!! :lol:
....but what I wonder, since Jock says the film is like that story, is; does Dredd get locked in the bank along with the perps? what particular violent images does Bank Raid have? That sort of thing, if it is known.
Quote from: weehawk on 10 April, 2011, 04:55:44 AM
Yeah, that's what I thought!! :lol:
....but what I wonder, since Jock says the film is like that story, is; does Dredd get locked in the bank along with the perps? what particular violent images does Bank Raid have? That sort of thing, if it is known.
Dredd isn't in the bank vault with the robbers but he does fire 'dodgems' into it and kills some of them.
Dredd executes the bank robbers on the sidewalk, and then shoots a jaywalker who tries to bribe him.
Quote from: weehawk on 10 April, 2011, 04:55:44 AM....but what I wonder, since Jock says the film is like that story, is; does Dredd get locked in the bank along with the perps?
He's not talking about it having the same 'plot' but Dredd having the same gritty Ezquerra look and being merciless. There's no bank raid in the script.
Quote from: weehawk on 10 April, 2011, 04:55:44 AMwhat particular violent images does Bank Raid have?
Perps being executed.
QuoteEnough of this for today anyway.
I have a life.
Arguing about comics on an internet forum on a Saturday night suggests otherwise.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 10 April, 2011, 09:30:55 AM
QuoteEnough of this for today anyway.
I have a life.
Arguing about comics on an internet forum on a Saturday night suggests otherwise.
Ouch!
Quote from: Misanthrope on 10 April, 2011, 07:04:07 AM
Quote from: weehawk on 10 April, 2011, 04:55:44 AM
Yeah, that's what I thought!! :lol:
....but what I wonder, since Jock says the film is like that story, is; does Dredd get locked in the bank along with the perps? what particular violent images does Bank Raid have? That sort of thing, if it is known.
Dredd isn't in the bank vault with the robbers but he does fire 'dodgems' into it and kills some of them.
Dredd executes the bank robbers on the sidewalk, and then shoots a jaywalker who tries to bribe him.
Sounds neat.
So Kapows almost over and still no Dredd goodness? Bummer.
kapoo's over, but there's still hope for some DREDD stuff emerging at Bristol in May hey!
Wouldnt bet on it mate. Rumour has it that DREDD will hit San Diego!!! Would have been nice if Mr Millar had told us there was no DREDD stuff at Kapow this weekend instead of slyly removing all references to DREDD off the website hoping that no one would notice!!! I am sure he has won over a lot of 2000AD readers!!!!
MARK MILLAR WILL GET HIS ASS KICKED!!!
If they pulled out of showing at Kapow, or never really had the intention of showing stuff, then there's no way that they'd show stuff at Bristol a month later.
Not holding your hands up and saying that it wasn't happening is pretty shoddy.
It's not like he had that far to fall in readers' estimation though.
He told me why it wasn't shown :-X
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES;597336He told me why it wasn't shown :-X
Enlighten us please CF.
Quote from: dracula1 on 10 April, 2011, 09:25:43 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES;597336He told me why it wasn't shown :-X
Enlighten us please CF.
Seconded.
I'd be intrested too.
Was it a red tape issue?...copy right etc.?
and the merchandising? pleases?
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 10 April, 2011, 09:13:36 PM
He told me why it wasn't shown :-X
If he told you then it is fair game to be out on the interweb, why else would he have?
V
Its not coz it looks a bit crap is it?bloody hope not. I'm guessing no effects ready.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 10 April, 2011, 09:13:36 PM
He told me why it wasn't shown :-X
Not enough red-and-green glasses to go around? Everybody involved thought Dredd was pronounced "slawnyeh"? Robocop rights-holders suing it for copyright violation? Security of the City Act? Complete recasting of Dredd after having seen CF in action?
None of the above, they just forgot to press record on the camera.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 April, 2011, 10:26:25 PM
None of the above, they just forgot to press record on the camera.
I hate it when that happens. You spend $45 million on making a movie and always forget you have to press the damn record button.
Every time. >:(
Yeah, I know we left the lens caps on all the way through filming but once we've done a bit of post and the colour timing and a digital grading, it'll look fantastic.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 April, 2011, 10:26:25 PM
None of the above, they just forgot to press record on the camera.
No, the cameras were recording. They'd just forgot to remove the lens caps.
Just read this little snippet. Sorry if it has already been posted.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a313847/judge-dredd-very-promising-says-jock.html
Further detail on the snippets.
Including the remarks about the lawmaster.
http://scifipulse.net/?p=44974
Makes reference to "Bank Raid" the unpublished story which Dredd executes perps, which maybe confusing people thinking that a bank raid scene was is in the movie.
QuoteWatchmen writer Dave Gibbons
:|
For that matter
QuoteBoth artists are responsible for having created some of the most iconic Judge Dredd imagery, and gave the pending movie an official thumbs up during the 2000AD Panel.
How much Dredd has Gibbons drawn? Barney has him down as drawing 13 pages of Dredd and a cover and a half. Now iconic Rogue Trooper imagery yes.
Quote from: James Stacey on 13 April, 2011, 01:46:58 PM
How much Dredd has Gibbons drawn? Barney has him down as drawing 13 pages of Dredd and a cover and a half. Now iconic Rogue Trooper imagery yes.
Not even that much -- six of those pages were inking Bolland!
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: James Stacey;598001For that matter
How much Dredd has Gibbons drawn? Barney has him down as drawing 13 pages of Dredd and a cover and a half. Now iconic Rogue Trooper imagery yes.
Thanks for the reply chaps,...l could'nt recall any Gibbons Dredd due to the fact that you've highlighted (he did'nt really do any). I wonder why, can't see it being an artistic style issue.?!
Well he had plenty on with Dan Dare/Rogue Trooper/Harlem Heroes/Robusters
Quote from: Steve Green;598071Well he had plenty on with Dan Dare/Rogue Trooper/Harlem Heroes/Robusters
Good point Steve, he was very prolific output wise with other characters.
Would have loved to see him draw an epic length Dredd saga, something along the lines of Judge Child or Cursed Earth.
I have an inkling ive read an interview with gibbons in which he goes into the reasons he didnt do much dredd... But i cant for the life of me remember where. Is it in TPO?
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing;598095I have an inkling ive read an interview with gibbons in which he goes into the reasons he didnt do much dredd... But i cant for the life of me remember where. Is it in TPO?
SBT
I'd like to know more SBT. l'm sure he had a tryout for swamp thing way back, but his style did'nt marry up with this title.
Quote from: dracula1 on 13 April, 2011, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing;598095I have an inkling ive read an interview with gibbons in which he goes into the reasons he didnt do much dredd... But i cant for the life of me remember where. Is it in TPO?
SBT
I'd like to know more SBT. l'm sure he had a tryout for swamp thing way back, but his style did'nt marry up with this title.
I'm mentally going through all possible sources as I surf the internet. As soon as I get a fix, I'll post it here. If, I get a fix, obviously.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing;598113QuoteI'm mentally going through all possible sources as I surf the internet. As soon as I get a fix, I'll post it here. If, I get a fix, obviously.
SBT
Thanks for looking it's much appreciated. Don't labour over it though if nothing comes to light quickly. We can always ask him in person at the next 2000ad panel /con.
Quote from: dracula1;598122Quote
Cheers SBT,...don't labour over it though if it doesn't come to light quickly. We can always ask him in person at the next 2000ad panel/ con.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing;598113QuoteI'm mentally going through all possible sources as I surf the internet. As soon as I get a fix, I'll post it here. If, I get a fix, obviously.
SBT
Apologises for the last two posts,...flippin' phone...
QuoteI have an inkling ive read an interview with gibbons in which he goes into the reasons he didnt do much dredd... But i cant for the life of me remember where.
Here it is:
QuoteInterview:
"During your stint at 2000AD you drew popular characters such as Judge Dredd and you started collaborating with someone called Alan Moore on some short stories. I think it was an exciting time for British comics. What are your memories about that time?
G.: Actually I never did draw Judge Dredd. I drew one episode, which frankly I did not really like. The problem with Judge Dredd is... the way I naturally draw is sort of "like Brian Bolland", or at least I can understand the way Brian draws."
http://sardinianconnection.blogspot.com/2009/10/dave-gibbons-interview-1.html
Dave Gibbons one Judge Dredd story for 2000AD:
Dredd and the Mob Blitzers (aka Lips Lazarus), 2000 AD prog 130
QuoteThe problem with Judge Dredd is... the way I naturally draw is sort of "like Brian Bolland", or at least I can understand the way Brian draws.
He's not wrong you know:
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/LIPSLAZARUS.jpg)
Does that look like Bolland then?
I may be lynched for saying this, but there are a lot of early 2000ad artists that I simply can't tell apart. Most of the first few Casefiles, with a very few notable (read crap enough to really jar) exceptions, might as well have been done by the same person for all I realised.
I think it's because for a long time I was not the most artistically minded person, only recently starting to get a little interested in that side of things, and thats coupled with the fact that I came to 2000ad in relatively recent times where different artists are really different. The distinctions between a bunch of guys, all doing b/w linework, are too subtle for my eye.
I am a philistine, I realise.
Dave Gibbons art for early 2000AD was incredible. He drew so much, virtually every prog for two years! Amazing contribution to 2000AD. :)
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 13 April, 2011, 11:57:05 PM
Does that look like Bolland then?
Certainly the page
layout and compostition is similar, as well as the linework.
I wasn't disputing it, I genuinely didn't know.
I hear people (or read people) talking about these classic artists and while I can appreciate that they are good - I can recognise that that page is good art - I can't see why one is better or worse (or just different) than the other. Just can't see it. Really feel like I'm missing out on something sometimes.
Is there a visual equivalent of tone death? Cos thats me.
Tone Deaf. Tone Death sounds like a zombie hip-hop artist or what happens when you hear Jedward.
Do you have a favourite Dredd artist?
Tone deaf is a medical condition you get after listening to Jedward.
(http://static.unrealitytv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/jedward1.jpg)
:P
There was always something about the way he drew the helmet on various annual covers etc. that didn't work for me.
Thanks for the Dave Gibbons Dredd samples fellow perp's. l hope this posts as l've had some mobile web cockups with my last couple of attempts.
Dave Gibbons Judge Dredd featured on the cover of 2000AD Annual 1984:
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=specials&choice=2000AD84
Quote from: helm;598148http://sardinianconnection.blogspot.com/2009/10/dave-gibbons-interview-1.html
Dave Gibbons one Judge Dredd story for 2000AD:
Dredd and the Mob Blitzers (aka Lips Lazarus), 2000 AD prog 130
You guys are stars, thanks.
The interview is awesome, a fountain of artistic and writer knowledge from Gibbons. The annual cover looks good as a screen saver on my phone too.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 14 April, 2011, 12:35:41 AM
Tone Deaf. Tone Death sounds like a zombie hip-hop artist or what happens when you hear Jedward.
Do you have a favourite Dredd artist?
:-[ I knew that, I really did. I'm normally the one pulling people up on things like that. I am cringing.
As for fave Dredd artist, and at the risk of sounding really cliched and unimaginative, the ones that have really stuck in my head are Ezquerra and the Flint/Blythe combo.
Although, having said that,one of the few really vivid memories of my early days as a reader is of absolutely loving the Crusade art. Shockingly bad story of course, but I was loving the visuals. So, yeah, that guy too.
(Is he much maligned? Am I digging myself deeper?)
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 14 April, 2011, 02:42:10 PM
Although, having said that,one of the few really vivid memories of my early days as a reader is of absolutely loving the Crusade art. Shockingly bad story of course, but I was loving the visuals. So, yeah, that guy too.
(Is he much maligned? Am I digging myself deeper?)
Mick Austin wasn't it? Never liked his strangely proportioned Dredd covers but the Anderson ones taken from porn mags were ace.
<edit> it was only the one really odd cover looking at Barney .. http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=618&Comic=2000ad What the hell is going on with that.
Quote from: James Stacey on 14 April, 2011, 02:45:56 PM
Mick Austin wasn't it? Never liked his strangely proportioned Dredd covers but the Anderson ones taken from porn mags were ace.
<edit> it was only the one really odd cover looking at Barney .. http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=618&Comic=2000ad What the hell is going on with that.
Judge Dredd, as played by Peter Crouch... ;)
I have always been an admirerer of Mick Austins Dredd.
It seems that Hershey is in the movie.....................or NOT ;)
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166345_10150357649670013_903275012_16569600_1058012_n.jpg)
Quote from: Dave GibbonsThe problem with Judge Dredd is . . . the way I naturally draw is sort of "like Brian Bolland", or at least I can understand the way Brian draws.
I don't get what Dave is actually saying here. That Tharg thought his style was too similar to Brian's? And that's why he only did the one Dredd?
FIRST STILL FROM DREDD,AYE KARL URBAN A FAT BLOKE OIN A BIKE AND SOME VANS GREAT,AM WETTING MA PANTS NOO FOR THE NEXT STILL PICTURE .MIGHT BE A NOMEMBER 2 NEXT :lol:
Somebody's been on the Sherry.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 April, 2011, 09:57:24 PM
Somebody's been on the Sherry.
aye ok but am ah right or am ah wrang
Hic!
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 16 April, 2011, 09:07:33 PM
Quote from: Dave GibbonsThe problem with Judge Dredd is . . . the way I naturally draw is sort of "like Brian Bolland", or at least I can understand the way Brian draws.
I don't get what Dave is actually saying here. That Tharg thought his style was too similar to Brian's? And that's why he only did the one Dredd?
I'm not sure either - it's a bit odd considering McMahon was asked to ape Ezquerra originally.
It seems like having a similar artist may have been less jarring helped on stories where Bolland was present - say, The Day the Law Died rather than Ron Smith for example?
I think Gibbons inked Bolland's pencils on the second episode for that anyway.
I would liked to have seen him do more...
Quote from: Steve Green on 17 April, 2011, 09:45:07 AM
I'm not sure either - it's a bit odd considering McMahon was asked to ape Ezquerra originally.
I don't think it's about what editorial did or didn't want, I think what Dave's saying is that he couldn't find 'vision' of Judge Dredd that felt like his
own, that he only felt like he was drawing
Bolland's version of Dredd, and that didn't interest him very much.
Cheers!
Jim
Ah, I see.
Yeah, I guess if you've got a similar style it must be pretty hard to establish your version of a character, compared to someone wildly different like McMahon.
Just think, this thread may become the longest in 2000AD message board history. A year to the film's release and this thread has already reached 6 million pages. :D
Or 187, if you prefer. ;)
...but look at the content.
Can everyone please stop insultng the poor stuntman?
Yeh. It's not his fault the crap camera angle gives him 10 chins.
V
QuoteSpeaking of which; how awesome would have been if Frank Frazetta had gotten to illustrate/paint Judge Dredd!!
He did, sort of...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XsVALQtGIZM/TQAfrU9FjqI/AAAAAAAATLM/xD6tNhK5Cjs/s1600/Frazetta+does+Dredd.jpg)
That's the best version of the movie uniform I've seen - it actually looks good!.
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 14 April, 2011, 12:30:53 AM
I wasn't disputing it, I genuinely didn't know.
I hear people (or read people) talking about these classic artists and while I can appreciate that they are good - I can recognise that that page is good art - I can't see why one is better or worse (or just different) than the other. Just can't see it. Really feel like I'm missing out on something sometimes.
Is there a visual equivalent of tone death? Cos thats me.
That must be terrible. I can usually discern an artist very, very quickly, especially on Dredd.
Quote from: brendan1 on 27 April, 2011, 12:23:04 PM
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 14 April, 2011, 12:30:53 AM
I wasn't disputing it, I genuinely didn't know.
I hear people (or read people) talking about these classic artists and while I can appreciate that they are good - I can recognise that that page is good art - I can't see why one is better or worse (or just different) than the other. Just can't see it. Really feel like I'm missing out on something sometimes.
Is there a visual equivalent of tone death? Cos thats me.
That must be terrible. I can usually discern an artist very, very quickly, especially on Dredd.
Style blind? :D
I'm the same (as brendan), first thing I take note of about the prog, usually unconsciously. Open prog, check out Dredd artist, back to P14 then read Dredd. I'm usually a bit rusty with newer artists so always read the credits, usually while guessing the writer too of course. Older artists are instantly recognised, mostly. Noticing that it's Gibson for example, is like noticing it's in colour. No offense to the colourists :lol:
So yeah, more Dredd pics!
Thats a very good summary of my own fears really - in trying to distance themselves from the camp of the Stallone film, they might end up with a dour film thats just as generic as the 95 one, albiet for different reasons. The absurdity of Dredd is, for me, one of its great strengths, because it knows how to extract maximum entertainment, satire and drama within that framework.
Still, we have a psychic judge in there, so thats one weird thing going on....
Quote from: KennyWho? on 25 June, 2011, 04:44:09 PMThe corollary of this is the new film's intention to provide as gritty and pared down a narrative context as possible, to offset the Spanish piratical visual aspect of their protagonist,
This I disagree with since the uniform is closer to Ezquerra's original design than the '95 film. It still looks Dredd and
equating Dredd's uniform with the narrative is not really a genuine corollary, it's an aspect.
Quote from: KennyWho? on 25 June, 2011, 04:44:09 PM
which would seem to rule out any possibility of including eating competitions; psychotic droid insurgency; alien/supernatural incursions or any of the hilarious and ridiculous elements of the strip which would make a Dredd film a unique and original cinematic proposition.
My worry isn't that Urban's Outfitters have made Dredd look silly: rather, that they might not have made everything else silly enough.
Considering [spoiler]95% of the film is set in one city-block in Mega-City-One[/spoiler] doesn't indicate/negate that any of those things can't exist/happen in possible future films. Anyway there is no way they could have portrayed
the city you depict in your post on the average budget they had, hence 'one location'. If there are hints of the world-texture and tone outside the block, that's all it needs,
Escalades or not.
It's an intro, and hopefully a decent one. We have
1000's of stories and 30 years of publishing with which to compare one draft script, one still and a few spy photos to, not really fair at this stage to worry too much about the
full scope of Dredd being represented in one film. Think of it as a Prog Zero Dredd, 'Bank Raid' set in a city-block. If it works ok and people actually go see it, we're sure to see more, and I never took Dredd in essence to be
silly, silly aspects yes but not inherently so. It's about
proportion too and the degrees to which proportions can change in future films once the characters are
known. It took a while before the writers and the audience got used to Dredd in comics for the city to be fleshed out, gotten used to, it's not too different in cinema either.
Quote from: KennyWho? on 25 June, 2011, 04:44:09 PMI reassured myself that as long as the film kept the invention, brutality and wit of the comic I wouldn't notice the stupid fucking codpiece, but the ludicrous design choices made by the film-makers proved indicative of the degree to which they misunderstood their source material.
Hmm. I'm not sure I agree with this. The designs for the Stallone movie, bar a few questionable choices, were the only aspect of Dredd and his world they got right. The uniform and cityscape were straight out of the comic, more or less. I would argue the people who didn't understand the source material were the producers, writers and star.
KennyWho? makes some good points, and I share some of his concerns.
While I completely understand the decision to cut back at least some of the eccentricity of the comics (remember that is something that happens with all comic book movies to a certain extent, it's just a reality of adapting something to a different media - it's why Wolverine doesn't wear yellow spandex and Bat Mite isn't in any of the Batman movies) I hope they're putting in a few nods to the tone and character of the comics, or at least plan to explore that side of the comic strip in future films should there be any.
Most important for me (infinitely more so than the judge's uniforms, the bike, the chin etc - all minor details imo) is how they present Mega-City One (or at least how it's presented in the glimpses we get of it). It's such a beautifully realised place in the comics, far more than just a depressing slum or urban sprawl - it has a playground quality to it - it's a tangible place that would be as thrilling to inhabit as it would be terrifying. I hope this is at least slightly hinted at in the film...
I'll mention again that John Wagner was asking fans last year for suggestions for background details and humourous asides that he could pitch to the producers for inclusion in the film, so I live in hope that we'll see human taxidermy shopfronts, hottie vendors, spy in the sky cameras, Chopper/Phantom grafitti, fatties, simps et al get some screen time.
I'm pretty certain that DREDD is going to be a decent - perhaps even great - sci-fi action film. I just hope it's a great Judge Dredd film.
I wholeheartedly concur with radiator's above post, I'm actually really excited about Dredd, everything I know about the movie so far, I like, and Joe Soap is also spot-on when comparing the overall look and tone of Dredd to the very first (banned) JD comic-book story, Bank Raid- in fact, if I'm not mistaken, Jock himself has actually compared the movie to the aforementioned story, high praise indeed!
Whilst totally onboard with the new movie's creative direction, I always thought that if they were going to attempt another JD movie, it should be directed by Terry Gilliam (who should have directed the first attempt, and even Sly Stallone apparently has said so), been a remarkably faithful adaptation of the source material (both in look and overall tone), and probably with Judge Death in it. Had they shot it in somewhere like Prague, they could've made a truly representative JD movie now for about $80 million, which isn't bad for a big movie nowadays, and they probably would've had no problem getting the financing for it- even taking into consideration the probable 3-D element- but like I said, I'm totally behind the new movie as it is, JD fans should just thank the good Lord we're getting another JD movie... and this time, they mean business!!!
QuoteI'm totally behind the new movie as it is, JD fans should just thank the good Lord we're getting another JD movie... and this time, they mean business!!!
For sure. Have many of the doom sayers sat back and just thought "wow they are actually putting money up and finally taking on a
Dredd film".
If it is shit like 95 then so be it, but at the moment we have no evidence one way or another to rate or slate it. Just be thankful it is just round the corner and may pave way for future 2000ad projects.
V
I hope the new film goes some way towards rehabilitating Dredd in the public imagination in the same way that Batman Begins did following Batman & Robin.
I was listening to a movie review podcast the other day and they were discussing comics crossovers. Someone name-checked Judge Dredd Vs Batman, and the mere mention of Dredd provoked derisive laughter amongst the hosts, followed by impressions of Stallone saying "I am the law!" - even though they were talking about the comic version. To so many people, Dredd still - after all these years - begins and ends with that bloody movie!
QuoteThe idea of a pared down introduction which introduces the character to a wider audience seems hamstrung by the fact that Dredd is such an unmitigated cunt. I can't imagine wanting to spend an hour in his company unmediated by the comedy, horror, humanity and infinite scope of Wagner & Grant's Megacity One and its population. The desire to make a Dredd film at any cost without making a serious attempt to analyse the unique appeal of the strip and reflect that on screen seems like a waste of time and other peoples money.
Generalising what 'most' people will watch is a bad idea, most won't be interested in seeing Dredd -not his one anyway- and the film I believe is not intended that way, it'll likely be R-rated/18 for a start, hardly the average cineplex fare so the 'expectations' will be in a certain remit.
The history of film is stewn with such cunts, never stopped anybody likin' 'em or the films or sequels.
Snake Plissken comes to mind, a character who didn't go through any character 'change' in Escape from New York, he went out the same way as he came in. Lee Marvin in Point Blank another- unredeemable. No one in Sergio Leone's spaghetti films were particularly cosy either or subject to 'change'/'character arcs'. There's something to be said for such characters in films and Hollywood's fear of portraying them in recent years and playing 'safe'. Dredd has never been a mass audience character nor do I think he needs to be to be successful unless they want to attract the
Sex & the City audience too.
I've argued this in previous posts:
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 June, 2011, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 06 June, 2011, 05:17:27 PM
If they get the tone right, it's going to be an even harder sell.
Action fims require a hero, if they are to follow the general action film template, and Dredd isn't one.
Was Dirty Harry a hero, was he sympathetic?, not in any substantial terms he wasn't. I've said this before and I still think it's true: If you want people to support a certain character, make those/the antagonists he is against, be worse -maybe morally- than he, that way you can establish certain moral parameters in the film which you can stick to and bend as you wish with substantial reason.
Antoher great recent example is the Way of the Gun, two completely amoral characters -with no back stories presented- are the centre of the film. There are very few 'likeable' people in it yet you know who to get behind and there's a point to all the violence to boot. The same holds for all Sergio Leone films and most of Pekinpah's too. Who in the Wild Bunch is the average hero? The 'sypathetic hero' concept is a hangover from bad/dated 80's Hollywood bullshit peddled by unsuccessful writers and execs who know fuck-all but wish to force their demographic formulas on the industry. Amoral central characters are a film staple going back to film noir and before. That's what an anti-hero is. It's just people have forgotten that such films have been made and were successful before the 80's, the conservative American mainstream does not decide what people 'like'.
QuoteDredd will be going around with his motivation being upholding a police state and maintaining a status quo that keeps the citizens firmly in their place. That's quite a hard sell, for a movie audience expecting a sci-fi costumed superhero type cop film, as there won't be any movement towards making the City or the Judges more humane - which would compromise the character and make a sequal more difficult.
Considering the amount of dystopian sci-fi films and amoral cop films that pepper the history of film, the only hard sell will be if Dredd is a bad film, if it's not, it'll hold it's own. Trying to make Dredd a 'hero' in the '95 film was a complete disaster, there is plenty of room for a real character like Dredd in film-space. Serioulsy, at least in 'comic' terms, was Dredd a hard sell for young 'uns back in the 70's/80's when we all hardly understood the concept of hero types and what Dredd meant? No because it was still entertaining seeing Dredd do what he did every week.
The notion of Terry Gilliam directing a Dredd film -though I know why people would suggest such a thing- I find slightly bizarre and more than likely wouldn't work nor do I believe would he be interested in doing it. Dredd ain't a typical Gilliam character and Gilliam ain't a one-size-fits-all fantasy/sci-fi film-maker, he's quite specific in how he treats his stories and what he expects to get from them.
QuoteThe idea of a pared down introduction which introduces the character to a wider audience seems hamstrung by the fact that Dredd is such an unmitigated cunt. I can't imagine wanting to spend an hour in his company unmediated by the comedy, horror, humanity and infinite scope of Wagner & Grant's Megacity One and its population. The desire to make a Dredd film at any cost without making a serious attempt to analyse the unique appeal of the strip and reflect that on screen seems like a waste of time and other peoples money.
Generalising what people will watch is a bad idea, 'most' won't be interested in seeing Dredd -not his one anyway- and the film I believe is not intended that way, it'll likely be R-rated/18 for a start, hardly the average cineplex fare so the 'expectations' will be in a certain remit.
The history of film is stewn with such cunts, never stopped anybody likin' 'em or the films or sequels.
Snake Plissken comes to mind, a character who didn't go through any character 'change' in Escape from New York, he went out the same way as he came in. Lee Marvin in Point Blank another- unredeemable. No one in Sergio Leone's spaghetti films were particularly cosy either or subject to 'change'/'character arcs'. There's something to be said for such characters in films and Hollywood's fear of portraying them in recent years and playing 'safe'. Dredd has never been a mass audience character nor do I think he needs to be to be successful unless they want to attract the
Sex & the City audience too. The other elements in Dredd's world can come later and not be contradictory, why rush?
I've argued this in previous posts:
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 June, 2011, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 06 June, 2011, 05:17:27 PM
If they get the tone right, it's going to be an even harder sell.
Action fims require a hero, if they are to follow the general action film template, and Dredd isn't one.
Was Dirty Harry a hero, was he sympathetic?, not in any substantial terms he wasn't. I've said this before and I still think it's true: If you want people to support a certain character, make those/the antagonists he is against, be worse -maybe morally- than he, that way you can establish certain moral parameters in the film which you can stick to and bend as you wish with substantial reason.
Antoher great recent example is the Way of the Gun, two completely amoral characters -with no back stories presented- are the centre of the film. There are very few 'likeable' people in it yet you know who to get behind and there's a point to all the violence to boot. The same holds for all Sergio Leone films and most of Pekinpah's too. Who in the Wild Bunch is the average hero? The 'sypathetic hero' concept is a hangover from bad/dated 80's Hollywood bullshit peddled by unsuccessful writers and execs who know fuck-all but wish to force their demographic formulas on the industry. Amoral central characters are a film staple going back to film noir and before. That's what an anti-hero is. It's just people have forgotten that such films have been made and were successful before the 80's, the conservative American mainstream does not decide what people 'like'.
QuoteDredd will be going around with his motivation being upholding a police state and maintaining a status quo that keeps the citizens firmly in their place. That's quite a hard sell, for a movie audience expecting a sci-fi costumed superhero type cop film, as there won't be any movement towards making the City or the Judges more humane - which would compromise the character and make a sequal more difficult.
Considering the amount of dystopian sci-fi films and amoral cop films that pepper the history of film, the only hard sell will be if Dredd is a bad film, if it's not, it'll hold it's own. Trying to make Dredd a 'hero' in the '95 film was a complete disaster, there is plenty of room for a real character like Dredd in film-space. Serioulsy, at least in 'comic' terms, was Dredd a hard sell for young 'uns back in the 70's/80's when we all hardly understood the concept of hero types and what Dredd meant? No because it was still entertaining seeing Dredd do what he did every week.
The notion of Terry Gilliam directing a Dredd film -though I know why people would suggest such a thing- I find slightly bizarre and more than likely wouldn't work nor do I believe would he be interested in doing it. Dredd ain't a typical Gilliam character and Gilliam ain't a one-size-fits-all fantasy/sci-fi film-maker, he's quite specific in how he treats his stories and what he expects to get from them.
Beside we'll be in the company of Anderson too. The film might be about Dredd but I get the impression* she'll be our audience into that world. I'm not saying she'll be the comic relief, but hopefully her rather different personality will provide some contrast in tone.
And of course there are the villains. Villains are often a good source of black humour.
*Bearing in mind I haven't read the script, so could be talking out of my rumplestiltskin...
Quote from: radiator on 25 June, 2011, 07:02:50 PM...Bat Mite isn't in any of the Batman movies...
Wasn't that Chris O'Donnell's character?
Just googled Batmite.
What the fuck?
V
Bat-Mite kicks ass.
(http://www.toplessrobot.com/batmite.jpg)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 June, 2011, 01:27:40 PM
QuoteThe idea of a pared down introduction which introduces the character to a wider audience seems hamstrung by the fact that Dredd is such an unmitigated cunt. I can't imagine wanting to spend an hour in his company unmediated by the comedy, horror, humanity and infinite scope of Wagner & Grant's Megacity One and its population. The desire to make a Dredd film at any cost without making a serious attempt to analyse the unique appeal of the strip and reflect that on screen seems like a waste of time and other peoples money.
Generalising what people will watch is a bad idea, 'most' won't be interested in seeing Dredd -not his one anyway- and the film I believe is not intended that way, it'll likely be R-rated/18 for a start, hardly the average cineplex fare so the 'expectations' will be in a certain remit.
The history of film is stewn with such cunts, never stopped anybody likin' 'em or the films or sequels. Snake Plissken comes to mind, a character who didn't go through any character 'change' in Escape from New York, he went out the same way as he came in. Lee Marvin in Point Blank another- unredeemable. No one in Sergio Leone's spaghetti films were particularly cosy either or subject to 'change'/'character arcs'. There's something to be said for such characters in films and Hollywood's fear of portraying them in recent years and playing 'safe'. Dredd has never been a mass audience character nor do I think he needs to be to be successful unless they want to attract the Sex & the City audience too. The other elements in Dredd's world can come later and not be contradictory, why rush?
I've argued this in previous posts:
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 June, 2011, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 06 June, 2011, 05:17:27 PM
If they get the tone right, it's going to be an even harder sell.
Action fims require a hero, if they are to follow the general action film template, and Dredd isn't one.
Was Dirty Harry a hero, was he sympathetic?, not in any substantial terms he wasn't. I've said this before and I still think it's true: If you want people to support a certain character, make those/the antagonists he is against, be worse -maybe morally- than he, that way you can establish certain moral parameters in the film which you can stick to and bend as you wish with substantial reason.
Antoher great recent example is the Way of the Gun, two completely amoral characters -with no back stories presented- are the centre of the film. There are very few 'likeable' people in it yet you know who to get behind and there's a point to all the violence to boot. The same holds for all Sergio Leone films and most of Pekinpah's too. Who in the Wild Bunch is the average hero? The 'sypathetic hero' concept is a hangover from bad/dated 80's Hollywood bullshit peddled by unsuccessful writers and execs who know fuck-all but wish to force their demographic formulas on the industry. Amoral central characters are a film staple going back to film noir and before. That's what an anti-hero is. It's just people have forgotten that such films have been made and were successful before the 80's, the conservative American mainstream does not decide what people 'like'.
QuoteDredd will be going around with his motivation being upholding a police state and maintaining a status quo that keeps the citizens firmly in their place. That's quite a hard sell, for a movie audience expecting a sci-fi costumed superhero type cop film, as there won't be any movement towards making the City or the Judges more humane - which would compromise the character and make a sequal more difficult.
Considering the amount of dystopian sci-fi films and amoral cop films that pepper the history of film, the only hard sell will be if Dredd is a bad film, if it's not, it'll hold it's own. Trying to make Dredd a 'hero' in the '95 film was a complete disaster, there is plenty of room for a real character like Dredd in film-space. Serioulsy, at least in 'comic' terms, was Dredd a hard sell for young 'uns back in the 70's/80's when we all hardly understood the concept of hero types and what Dredd meant? No because it was still entertaining seeing Dredd do what he did every week.
The notion of Terry Gilliam directing a Dredd film -though I know why people would suggest such a thing- I find slightly bizarre and more than likely wouldn't work nor do I believe would he be interested in doing it. Dredd ain't a typical Gilliam character and Gilliam ain't a one-size-fits-all fantasy/sci-fi film-maker, he's quite specific in how he treats his stories and what he expects to get from them.
It would be a nice touch for "Dredd" to have some scenes that are inspired by "Brazil"(like "Watchmen" did), but yeah, this type of genre isn't quite Gilliam's "thing". Shoot em' up-type films of this sort aren't his bag.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 26 June, 2011, 10:11:09 PM
(http://www.toplessrobot.com/batmite.jpg)
Like I said: Chris O'Donnell.
Terry Gilliam is a very versatile film-maker, and considering he was very serious about potentially directing a big-screen adaptation of Watchmen at one time, leads me to think he would be equally adept at a Judge Dredd movie- although he would undoubtedly inject a lot of his unique character into it- and it would have many of the typical Gilliam themes in it, like a dystopian society, authoritarianism, the little people squelched under an oppressive system... not to mention all kinds of crazy black humour, socio-political satire, and totally whacked-out visuals!
But that's all academic, ultimately, I'm just thrilled to have a new Dredd movie on it's way, and my best wishes and regards go to Pete Travis- who of us doesn't wish him the greatest success, not to mention wanting him to completely knock this one out of the park, anyone...?
Quote from: Cyber-Matt on 19 November, 2010, 05:01:01 PM
This is an exclusive shot from the new Dredd movie, taken during rehearsals, of Karl Urban wearing the iconic uniform. Enjoy!
Blimey... It's actually been a
year since this first photo was released!
-- Mike
Feels like 2.
114,000 page views though - at that rate the trailer could explode the internet!
Happy Anniversary!
With hopefully of trailer soon...
Quote from: Buttonman on 20 November, 2011, 12:29:45 AM
114,000 page views though - at that rate the trailer could explode the internet!
It'll be back to
pen & paper then.
First post from November 2010??
It's all here...
http://darrens-world-of-entertainment.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/new-dredd-image-released.html
you know that new image has been out for a while, right ?
It's a look at my new blog attempt...which l did and there's nowt on it!
New Dredd stills and poster here - :D
http://darrens-world-of-entertainment.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/dredd-poster-revealed-and-more-images.html
Plus an image of Dredd which was released yesterday - and another that's been around for a little bit (apologies was pitched to me as exclusive for Australasia) :(
Dont think anyone want looks at your blog :-)