They showed some footage of Ridley Scott's new science fiction film, the 'sort of Alien prequel' Prometheus, as well as an interview with Ridley Scott and Charlize Theron at the San Diego Comic Con.
Anyway, the link is here. Some minor spoilers. (http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/07/prometheus/) In case you're disappointed, be warned, it's an article describing what happened not actual footage. I found it interesting enough though.
I'm looking forward to this.
Incidentally, I was going to post this in the existing Alien Prequel thread, but when I attempted to, I got the message "this thread hasn't been posted in in over 120 days. Please consider starting a new thread unless you really want to reply". I assume from that that a new thread is preferable. If I've made a mistake, my apologies; mods feel free to merge. I don't think it hurts to have a thread with the actual film title though.
Sounds alot like they've gone with a revision of the Aliens : Paradise script from what I'm hearing on this. Origin of the Aliens we know from what the Space Jockeys originally used them for.
Hard Sci-fi space battles using no digital tech.
CU Radbacker
Along with Dredd next year this is one of my must see movies.
2012's going to be a great year!
Quote from: Radbacker on 25 July, 2011, 05:58:48 AM
Hard Sci-fi space battles using no digital tech.
Now
that sounds promising!
Its the best bit in the Paradise script so i hope they keep it in(I'll put in spoilers just incase they keep it in and people dont want to be spoiled) [spoiler]is a chase and showdown between a Human Ship and Space Jockeys ship, the Space Jockey ship totally outclasses the human one but adaptable as us monkeys are we have our own tricks, theres a really tense scene where a gunner is sent up into a big glass/clear dome to track and target the enemy ship, they hoist him up with a bag over his head to aclimatise to the darkness of space then give him some binocular type things and he has top manually look for the ship in the void of space turn off all the lights in the ship and its just him trying to make out targets in the void, the scene is probably one of the tensest things I've ever read and really deserves to be i nthe movie.[/spoiler] its hard to explain but thats the general gist of it
CU Radbacker
I read an article on this today in sfx and funnily was gonna start a new thread, but what was said in it is covered in the link posted here, and then some. Sounds great, really looking forward to it, I also heard a rumour that the jockeys [spoiler] are revealed to have created the xenomorphs/aliens, but I'm assuming, if true that defies the cannon of AvP, which I dont mind it doing[/spoiler] bit that is just a rumour, I think.
dont worry the AVp movies are no longer cannon from what i understand.
There's madness erupting all over the net about this movie, people arguing its actually a remake, others saying that they would never need 7 soundstages so its obviouse that they're doing two movies back to back, a prequal to Alien and a sequal to Alien (that apparently fits in between Alien and Aliens). Who knows but its definatly whipping up some publicity.
CU Radbacker
I guess it also depends on when the space-jockeys [spoiler]created the Aliens. If they created them.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]If they just appropriated the Aliens for their weapons division, well, other species like the Predators might have taken them for their own use as well. (Challenging prey to test their youngsters in their case.) Or the SJs could have created them a while back before the predators came across them. It's suggested that the Predators in AvP tinkered with the Alien DNA to speed up their incubation cycle but I don't think they created them in the first place. The fossilised remains of the Space Jockey in Alien suggest Aliens have been around for a very long time. The investigating chap from the Nostromo who made that remark concerning fossilisation could have misread that of course.[/spoiler]
Of course we don't know that the Aliens will feature at all in Prometheus, since it looks like they're going in a different direction. I hope we see something of them if only at the very end of the film(s), though.
Here some scanned images of Prometheus! Now that a weird shape of "eggs"? and is that statue of "Man" at the wall??
But think that cover page is Photoshop badly?
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/48959/give-thanks-some-wicked-new-and-official-prometheus-stills (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/48959/give-thanks-some-wicked-new-and-official-prometheus-stills)
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0016/3495/prometh5.jpg)
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0016/3487/prometh.jpg)
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0016/3491/prometh3.jpg)
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0016/3489/prometh2.jpg)
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0016/3493/prometh4.jpg)
Interesting, if a bit... 'pretty'. Still, we've gone this far, we must go on, we have to go on.
Quote from: Goaty on 23 November, 2011, 12:41:27 PM
But think that cover page is Photoshop badly?
that's an understatemnt - the heads don't even look in scale to each other, let alone to the bodies!
Those spacesuits and giant 'GodHead' remind me of Ulysses 31. Come to think of it, I'd prefer if it was instead of another Alien film.
(http://www.joysf.com/files/attach/images/3192259/576/189/004/ulysses.31.01.vengeance.of.the.gods-dvdrip.xvid.%5Bmerchant%5D.avi_001093920.jpg)
(http://www.serietele.com/illustrations/galeries/series/43909.jpg)
Quote from: Dandontdare on 23 November, 2011, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 23 November, 2011, 12:41:27 PM
But think that cover page is Photoshop badly?
that's an understatemnt - the heads don't even look in scale to each other, let alone to the bodies!
Someone make an interesting point in 'Net that those was with helmets, and it was photoshop off, oh gosh it like to erase the helmet of Judge Dredd in whole of film!
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2011/11/22/FIRST-LOOK-PROMETHEUS_610.jpg)
Looks fucking awesome. Can't wait. Didn't think I'd be saying that about this either. Nothing but mystery and dread from these stills...
The thing that strikes me is how lovely and shiny everyone looks. A stark contrast to the mucky grimey space folk of the first film. Not necessarily going to be a problem at all just it really struck me.
QuoteThe thing that strikes me is how lovely and shiny everyone looks. A stark contrast to the mucky grimey space folk of the first film. Not necessarily going to be a problem at all just it really struck me.
The theorie is that Scott has purposfully gone with a shinnier look for the tech, suits etc, the reason being the Prometheus (which is the name of the ship they head out in) is a top of the line Science and research vessel however the ship from Alien (frack cant remenber the name, Narcisius?) was nothing more than a space truck designed to tow shit around. Makes sense if thats the deal, of course it could also just be because theyre publicity shots they've been cleaned up.
I'm looking forward to this.
CU Radbacker
The lifeboat/shuttle bit was Narcissus, I think - the hauler herself was Nostromo. Big Conrad fans up there in the future.
Quote from: Radbacker on 24 November, 2011, 09:05:32 AM
QuoteThe thing that strikes me is how lovely and shiny everyone looks. A stark contrast to the mucky grimey space folk of the first film. Not necessarily going to be a problem at all just it really struck me.
The theorie is that Scott has purposfully gone with a shinnier look for the tech, suits etc, the reason being the Prometheus (which is the name of the ship they head out in) is a top of the line Science and research vessel however the ship from Alien (frack cant remenber the name, Narcisius?) was nothing more than a space truck designed to tow shit around. Makes sense if thats the deal, of course it could also just be because theyre publicity shots they've been cleaned up.
I'm looking forward to this.
CU Radbacker
Seems to me that the designer guy's been given a copy of Mass Effect to play and told, "make it look like that" :D
Not that that's a bad thing either, but the guy on the left IS Commander Sheperd. At least the male version. Oh wait, the female one's there too.
I too am looking forward to this.
Quote from: TordelBack on 24 November, 2011, 09:37:33 AM
The lifeboat/shuttle bit was Narcissus, I think - the hauler herself was Nostromo. Big Conrad fans up there in the future.
Don't forget the Sulaco.
not being overly learned or well read I take it the names of the ships are from clasic literature?
The Sulaco is one mean looking ship, exactly what you'd think the millitary would use. Wonder how many Nukes it had on board? The drop ships were armed to the teeth so I imagine the big ship would be too. Thinking aboout thins makes me want to see just what the marines were up to when they weren't gettiong their arses handed to em by the Xenos. Were they there to keep collonies in check or had humans made contact with other less friendly species? Whats an arcturan and if it doesn't matter if their male or female would you? these are all questions I some times ponder.
Whoops, back on thread, those canisters look like how the eggs were described in the original StarBeast screenplay.
CU Radbacker
They look like the Fantastic Four with Chest Armour and waders.
Quote from: Radbacker on 24 November, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
not being overly learned or well read I take it the names of the ships are from clasic literature?
Both Nostromo and The Nigger of the Narcissus are books by Joseph Conrad. The former is set on the island of Sulaco. Sadly, none of these works feature xenomorphs.
Quote from: Radbacker on 24 November, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
Whoops, back on thread, those canisters look like how the eggs were described in the original StarBeast screenplay.
They look a little like Canopic Jars to me...
Mmm Noomi Rapace in a well-fitted spacesuit. That's nice.
If you haven't seen the leaked (on purpose?) Prometheus trailer, I'll keep it brief:
It skullfuckingly brilliant and a thing of sweaty palms and ass-shitting beauty!
That is all.
I don't think they'd purposely leak it in such shite quality.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 November, 2011, 12:29:52 AM
I don't think they'd purposely leak it in such shite quality.
I wouldn't put it past them!
They're sneaky those Hollywood types-creates a buzz (is that a fly in here?)
Either way it looks fucking amazing-so I'm happy
Why not just leak it full quality then?
Anyone got a link?
Cheers Dweezil2, hah! finally get to see it. usually its a case of "content removed by fox" by the time i get there. right, off to have another look and digest further.....
Quote from: The return of Judge Jack on 27 November, 2011, 01:15:19 AM
Cheers Dweezil2, hah! finally get to see it. usually its a case of "content removed by fox" by the time i get there. right, off to have another look and digest further.....
Glad to be of service! :)
Hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Been re-watching it for the last hour.
With this, Dredd and The Dark Knight Rises, 2012 is proving to be a bumper year.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 27 November, 2011, 01:22:37 AM
Hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Been re-watching it for the last hour.
Yep, me like.
Strands of Alien DNA all present and correct :thumbsup:
from what i can see of that quality it seems to hit all the notes of the original Alien trailer, showing enough to get you interested and terrified but not too much to give it away, lots of sweaty heads and people running terrified and the kicker is the way the title font folds out just like Alien. Best trailer of the year, cant wait for proper clear version.
CU Radbacker
Judging from that trailer, it is clearly connected with Alien. I thought this was in doubt?
Blimey. I'm quite excited to see this now. June 2012?!
I also dont understand all the "it is/it isnt" comments, not least from Ridley Scott himself. Even if the actual Zenomorph/Adult stage creature/call it what you will, is not in it (and im kinda hoping its not, in a way), this is undeniably an Alien film. With so many elements in it from the first film, i dont see how it couldnt be. If Ridley wants to create some kind of distance or room to maneuver, from the Alien universe, thats all well and good, and certainly by (seemingly) focusing on the Space Jockeys, he's exploring a unused story strand from the franchise, but this is clearly an "Alien" film.
Above any other film of 2012, this is the one for me.
Well that certainly looks exciting. Or more to the point sounds exciting. Don't know if that's meant to be the final music but it really works
Blimey old Dredd's got some competition in 2012. I hope it's not drowned in a sea if awesomeness with this and Avengers plus Dark Knight being released :-\
Quote from: dracula1 on 27 November, 2011, 08:43:39 PM
Blimey old Dredd's got some competition in 2012. I hope it's not drowned in a sea if awesomeness with this and Avengers plus Dark Knight being released :-\
Oh dont worry, as Dredd out in September, could be Sleeper Hit? like District 9?
But that trailer does looks realllly great! cant see clear of it as cant hear what going on, (Deaf myself :()
2012 looks like it might be one of 'those' years, with all kinds of awesome being released, this being something that'll probably hit the top 5..
Does this now mean I have to buy another Alien box set?
Quote from: The return of Judge Jack on 27 November, 2011, 03:57:38 PM
If Ridley wants to create some kind of distance or room to maneuver, from the Alien universe, thats all well and good, and certainly by (seemingly) focusing on the Space Jockeys, he's exploring a unused story strand from the franchise, but this is clearly an "Alien" film.
Above any other film of 2012, this is the one for me.
I bloody LOVE this post! I may even run off to the hills and spend some 'quality time' with it in a log cabin there!
I've been saying for a while in discussions with other Alien fans that this is a franchise that could certainly do with being broadened. If the links are there and this movie does indeed have a definite link to the Alien movie continuity, I'll be a very happy man indeed.
I think we're fortunate that we've had a franchise spanning four films, two of which have been almost universally loves, while the others divide opinions. With the AvP movies, we were definitely at risk of seeing the films descend into 'People encounter monsters, die horrible deaths, everything blows up, the end.'
As with so many othe rfranchises, there's more that can be done than that. Here's hoping Prometheus lives up to expectations!
Now that leaked trailer pulled! but it does give me goosebumps as this trailer when it first time out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFxgr8NTD20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFxgr8NTD20)
Only if the new trailer good as this Aliens on Ice :lol: :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4tnuthMhAR0#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4tnuthMhAR0#!)
Yep, Fox has pulled all the Prometheus trailers off you tube now. Well, all except this one.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muTKi8wyatc
(....and before im accused of being mean, thats probably how i looked watching the trailer, :) )
Quote from: HdE on 28 November, 2011, 01:58:33 AM
I've been saying for a while in discussions with other Alien fans that this is a franchise that could certainly do with being broadened. If the links are there and this movie does indeed have a definite link to the Alien movie continuity, I'll be a very happy man indeed.
I think we're fortunate that we've had a franchise spanning four films, two of which have been almost universally loves, while the others divide opinions. With the AvP movies, we were definitely at risk of seeing the films descend into 'People encounter monsters, die horrible deaths, everything blows up, the end.'
Couldnt agree more HdE, well said that man! ^^^^^
Regarding the question of wether Prometheus is an Alien prequel or not, i seem to remember, many moons ago, reading a interview with Scott about Bladerunner, when the question of would he ever be interested in doing a sequel, came up. Scott's reply was he wasnt that interested in going down the obvious route and following Deckards story as such, but there was elements/background details in the film that he would be very interested in expanding upon, and that would be the basis of his sequel.
With Prometheus, it would appear this is his thinking for prequels as well.
Come on Fox, and get ya arse in gear and release the bloody trailer!!
Aw I wanna see! Noone got a working link?!
Just seen it..couldn't make much sense of it but feels like it's going to be special
Familiar soundtrack too ;)
Space Jockey's Sega Action Chair:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/IMG_4920.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/IMG_4922.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/IMG_4921.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/IMG_4923.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/IMG_4924.jpg)
SOLD!!!!
thats on my WILL BUY PRE-OPENING TICKETS FOR IMAX screening on my to do list.
dark, moody, sci-fi.
this is how it should be.
Dredd and this in one year.
Sci-fi is great once again.
'...so this girl walks into a face...'
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4654/original/promlarge.png?1323900465%22%20style=%22width:%20635px;%20height:%201119px;)
thats one spooky looking poster, i am so jazzed for this movie it cant come quick enough. What are big Heads that look like humans doing in deep space???? (if you've read the leaked synopsis you'll know but i strongly suggest you dont go searching as it ruins several big idea's and set pieces of the movie)
Cu Radabcker
I truly hope I'm not bankrupt before this film comes out. iIt's gonna be an event night for sure!
Things seem to be moving up a gear for Prometheus, first a teaser poster, then the trailer going out to various film boards to be rated - some sources say a release is imminent, but no sign as yet, new production stills released in france, and this curious quote from Ridley Scott - "The crew of the Prometheus follow a perplexing message to a planet that will open their eyes and their chests to a new alien race".
Mmmm...........
Prometheus preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnlFIBNy8ko&feature=plcp&context=C367924bUDOEgsToPDskLoiGB_4Xh4X9ebdhGMABPp
A Trailer to promote a Trailer? Hollywood is bonkers.
Must look out for it on Thursday though so damn you you evil promotional machine you.
I don't know if you've all seen this, but get to the point where it looks like a space jockey standing up and look at the familiar looking implement on his shoulder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVpuylSVjyU&feature=related
Quote from: willthemightyW on 19 December, 2011, 07:44:01 PM
I don't know if you've all seen this, but get to the point where it looks like a space jockey standing up and look at the familiar looking implement on his shoulder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVpuylSVjyU&feature=related
Not sure if that's an official concept piece or fan-art, it was never confirmed.
the giant human face and the "search for our beginning could lead to our end" tagline is interesting.
Surely it's not going to be so naff as to say the Space Jockey is the Pre-dater of the Predator?
Watched a bit of of J J Abrams re boot of Star Trek so you never know this prequel might be good though they are very different Films.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 19 December, 2011, 08:05:22 PM
Surely it's not going to be so naff as to say the Space Jockey is the Pre-dater of the Predator?
Where did that come from?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2011, 08:30:36 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 19 December, 2011, 08:05:22 PM
Surely it's not going to be so naff as to say the Space Jockey is the Pre-dater of the Predator?
Where did that come from?
The "familiar shoulder implement" I referred to :)
Quote from: willthemightyW on 19 December, 2011, 08:51:27 PMThe "familiar shoulder implement" I referred to :)
Which is fan-art:
http://www.ifitsmovies.com/2011/04/concept-art-of-space-jockey-from-prometheus/
Ah, thanks for clarifying
Yet another teaser for the trailer:
http://media.filmz.ru/apple/prometheus-countdown-intwodays_h480p.mov
Nice piece of Concept work too. Yep the old shoulder gun made me think Predator.
The AVP Films were pretty dire but they made some money and that of course is what Movie making is all about the commercial potential of your Film.
I like Ridley Scott Films and the Production values for Prometheus look top notch but I can't help feeling it's just another re make with a slightly different story line/cast from the original with a bigger budget. Good though but a little de ja vue is creeping in.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 19 December, 2011, 07:29:57 PM
A Trailer to promote a Trailer? Hollywood is bonkers.
Indeed, but boy, am i now excited, :D.
Looking very good. Lookin very Alien.
Trailer for trailers damn you f$%ken teases.
this is my second most looked forward to movie next year (Dredd being the number 1 of course). Lots of genre goddies next year its gonna be another top year for fans.
CU Rafdbacker
Nice to see Ridley doing so well, especially after directing his first ever film in Hartlepool ;)
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 19 December, 2011, 09:51:32 PM
I like Ridley Scott Films and the Production values for Prometheus look top notch but I can't help feeling it's just another re make with a slightly different story line/cast from the original with a bigger budget. Good though but a little de ja vue is creeping in.
It's not a remake, just the sequel / prequel that could have happened years ago before James Cameron changed the direction of the series with Aliens.
'Better' quality full trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ab7t2wvCQ&feature=youtu.be&a
Wow.
However wonky that filming might be the absolute thrilling tension in that trailer has been retained. One of the best I've seen in an age. Don't feel I know anymore about the plot but it gives me a fantastic insight into the tone of the piece. Really excited to see this movie.
That was good stuff. I'd go and see that.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 December, 2011, 03:48:12 AM
'Better' quality full trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ab7t2wvCQ&feature=youtu.be&a
Loving the hardware in that and the vision, might have to revisit the whole series over the festives
Final preview - http://youtu.be/d9re91OwUnA
....full trailer tomorrow.
Trailer's here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_luIM6xaIck
At every step of this marketing campaign a bootleg version has beaten the official releases.
This film is gonna rock!
That trailer just keeps getting better and better with each new look we get.
Yeah, it's great. And I actually find it quite disquieting (yeah, I'm a big girl's blouse) which isn't a bad thing for this kind of film.
Finally :). It all felt a little bit anti-climatic, as there's been many differant trailers/preview's leaked/released and all of varying quality, but one look at the HD version and all is forgiven - http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/official-trailer/
Nice to be able to actually see the images clearly, instead of squinting and thinking your seeing stuff that wasnt there. Been much talk on various forum sites of Serpant like things, and Alien Zenomorphs jumping onto Space Jockeys etc in the trailer, :lol:
Counting down the days now............
Head of a space-jockey:
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/SPACEJOCKEY.jpg)
There'll be no Xenomorphs in this film though.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 December, 2011, 07:53:39 PM
There'll be no Xenomorphs in this film though.
you can be sure ?
Quote from: Proudhuff on 22 December, 2011, 08:06:35 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 December, 2011, 07:53:39 PM
There'll be no Xenomorphs in this film though.
you can be sure ?
Scott said it himself:
No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he's now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!There's a quote I did, a pretty good quote: By the end of the third act you start to realize there's a DNA of the very first Alien, but none of the subsequent aliens. To tell you what that is is a pity, and I'm not going to tell you, because it's actually pretty good, pretty organic to the process and to the original. But we go back, we don't go forward.http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ridley-Scott-Says-Xenomorph-Absolutely-Prometheus-28428.html
Thats a pretty definite NO from Ridley regarding the Alien, thank grud. Unless, after a test screening when 20th Century Fox reads the comment cards and finds that they all say "boring! why isnt the Alien in it" (because thats what'll happen), and are panicked into cut n pasting one in.
Mind you im not against other elements from previous Alien films returning ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/7cugV.jpg)
Quote from: The return of Judge Jack on 22 December, 2011, 08:43:27 PM
Unless, after a test screening when 20th Century Fox reads the comment cards and finds that they all say "boring! why isnt the Alien in it"
That's why it's not sold as part of the
Alien franchise.
The only problem being is that we know how it ends. Of course we don't know details, but a certain amount of suspense is lifted because we know the Space Jockeys end up fossilized. I do hope that very few Space Jockey elements carried over from the 'Paradise" (I think that was what it was called) Alien Prequel script, as I found them a bit like pervy old men in that one.
Knowing how the ship sank in Titanic didn't stop it being suspenseful. All depends on the story not the end.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 December, 2011, 08:59:32 PM
Knowing how the ship sank in Titanic didn't stop it being suspenseful.
Um...I missed all the suspense in
Titanic, sorry.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 22 December, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 December, 2011, 08:59:32 PM
Knowing how the ship sank in Titanic didn't stop it being suspenseful.
Um...I missed all the suspense in Titanic, sorry.
or United 93.
Never saw United 93...well, I hope you're right. And maybe the fact that I don't have extremely high hopes for this film will allow me to enjoy it. It certainly looks great - but outside of Kingdom of Heaven (the director's cut, I feel I have to add) I haven't really enjoyed a Ridley Scott film in some time.
EDIT: I have to say, it is refreshing to see an R-rated science fiction blockbuster getting so much positive hype.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 22 December, 2011, 09:05:05 PM
It certainly looks great - but outside of Kingdom of Heaven (the director's cut, I feel I have to add) I haven't really enjoyed a Ridley Scott film in some time.
That's cos he's over-rated.
A collection of HD stills: http://www.crazycritics.com/page/prometheus-movie-trailer-stills.
Right, some comments now that I've watched the trailer closely: there are "urn-shaped" containers that look somewhat like alien eggs (7th and 8th stills down), and then there's what looks like a "proto-face-hugger" (9th still)...so I wonder I Scott's fibbing and we will see some sort of early alien "model" or "proto-alien".
Also, we see the organic-looking Space Jockey corridor again. I always assumed that the aliens coated the ship with secretions - as they did in Aliens - so maybe that points to there being some sort of alien in the film. Then again, the Space Jockey in Alien does seem to be organically connected to his cockpit...
He did say no Xenomorphs not no Aliens.
Jockey sans helmet:
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/prometheus_movie_trailer_stills_HD_film_official_28.jpg)
looks very human :O
How frikkin good is that trailer? Answer: very frikkin good! :o
Ridley Scott's been wasting his talents avoiding Sci-Fi for so long. Welcome back.
Yes. Just....YES.
I think this film's biggest reveal is going to be that Alien (1979) is just a small side story.
I reckon humans and aliens are derived from the Space Jockeys.
Yeah I reckon that could be Fassbender transformed into a Space Jockey.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 23 December, 2011, 12:04:49 AM
I reckon humans and aliens are derived from the Space Jockeys.
In the original draft I read (when it was still officially an Alien prequel) Space Jockey DNA was indeed used to create Aliens. There was no indication that the Space Jockeys had anything to do with humans - they were very interested in studying the human characters' behavior - but that could have changed by now.
I'll be the dick and say I liked the mobile phone recording trailer without all the finished effects better.
Still looks smart though.
Quote from: dyl on 23 December, 2011, 12:09:11 AM
Yeah I reckon that could be Fassbender transformed into a Space Jockey.
That's exactly what I thought.
Quote from: The Cosh on 23 December, 2011, 12:25:45 AM
I'll be the dick and say I liked the mobile phone recording trailer without all the finished effects better
Does that mean you'll prefer the film the same way, a ropey bootleg on a phone?
Prometheus versus Star Trek anyone?
Ridley did say it was going to be epic....
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Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 December, 2011, 09:27:20 PM
He did say no Xenomorphs not no Aliens.
Yes he did say that, I think this Prometheus is something that create first-born of Xenomorphs (with that chest-burn of Space Jockey in Alien?
And sorry if I says Alien again as this image below as you see in middle of long text as you can see it nearly spelling into ALIEN?
(http://i.imgur.com/X8u1O.png)
Looks like I11 -= 1 to me...
SEX WEEEEEEE!!!!!!
CU Radbacker
It's definitely a alien prequel, but no xenomorphs as quoted before. But maybe xenos in a form we have never seen them before, like not mixed with human or a dog. But I think we will find out more about them then we ever have before.
The trailer is amazing!!!!
Quote from: Goaty on 23 December, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 December, 2011, 09:27:20 PM
He did say no Xenomorphs not no Aliens.
Yes he did say that, I think this Prometheus is something that create first-born of Xenomorphs (with that chest-burn of Space Jockey in Alien?
And sorry if I says Alien again as this image below as you see in middle of long text as you can see it nearly spelling into ALIEN?
(http://i.imgur.com/X8u1O.png)
Original Alien Trailer 1979 - Similarities aplenty. :)
In Space Noone Sells Ice Cream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rf99ouvFBJw)
Similarities? What similarities? ;)
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THIS WILL SUCK
See what I did there?
Mmmm, Predators in Prometheus?
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...well, if Ian Whyte counts, then yes.
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/27710?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Very good - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M&feature=player_embedded
A bit of scrolling down, but a couple of new leaked images here - http://cinemart-online.co.uk/2012/01/10/alien-influence-visible-in-prometheus-monster-mask-design/
Just been looking at the poster again, and thought a few things (that may have already been mentioned):
Look closely at the eye socket, seemingly in complete shadow on the giant statue thing. Maybe enlarge it a bit. You can see in the socket, the white bit of the eye as well as the pupil, for some reason I found this really creepy. Also, enlarge it, take a step back, apparently it's been designed to be like the egg with the light cracking through it like in the original alien trailer, I can see it. also, look at the fog around the character at the bottom, the light just catches some egg shaped things...
The LA Times has an interview with Prometheus writer Damon Lindelof. Of interest though is the new production still of Noomi Rapace in a very Gigeresque looking corridor - http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/01/14/prometheus-damon-lindelof-ridley-scott-photos-alien-prequel/
Mmm, now what are those "things" in the background?
There's a fair amount of crap spouted in that interview. Since when were the crew of the space-tractor Nostromo "scientists who encounter extraterrestrials while exploring an alien planet". The only 'scientist' on board was a [spoiler]company-planted synthetic[/spoiler], . And saying "...the universe in which each takes place shares a similar aesthetic". Well indeed, prequel or not, it's plainly the same bloody universe. Doesn't inspire confidence when this is the writer talking.
Added to the fact that Prometheus appears to be about[spoiler] the alien origins of human civilisation[/spoiler], a topic I hate with a passion, and [spoiler]the wonderfully enigmatic trunked space jockeys are just big near-humans in suits[/spoiler], and I'm just not feeling it here.
In fairness it's the 'interviewer' -if you can even call it an interview or even an article- who calls the Nostromo crew, 'scientitsts', and Lindelof's isolated quote on shared aesthetics is only one short line plucked from a larger conversation. I blame the editorial for this waste of non-informative pixel-space.
This film getting more and more curious!
As could be statues of Space Jockeys in background?
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4981/original/prometh.jpg?1326645165)
Or their equivalent of a spacesuit locker.
Quote from: Goaty on 15 January, 2012, 07:06:37 PM
This film getting more and more curious!
As could be statues of Space Jockeys in background?
I didnt notice at first, but there seems to be another two statues directly behind her as well.
More and more curious, still!
(http://cdn2.shocktillyoudrop.com/images/stories/2012/February/prometheus_feb.jpg?1328397551)
Space jockey is such a stupid name. It could only be topped if someone ever got round to making a film of Ender's Game and bringing us the war against the Buggers.
Is it me or do the space suits give off a 50's vibe.
Edit: not a bad thing by any means.
V
Quote from: The Cosh on 06 February, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
Space jockey is such a stupid name.
Good thing it's not actually called that then.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 06 February, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
Space jockey is such a stupid name.
Good thing it's not actually called that then.
I wonder who coined the name? I goggled, and Space Jockey was a term coined by the production team on Alien.
Space Jockey just means Pilot. It isn't the race.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 06 February, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
Space jockey is such a stupid name.
Good thing it's not actually called that then.
Seems to be pretty common currency.
Quote from: The Cosh on 06 February, 2012, 10:49:56 PM
Seems to be pretty common currency.
It's a production name not an
in-film name. The same way the shark in Jaws was called
Bruce.
As I say it just means 'Pilot' - that is what Giger called it 'Pilot'. Who renamed it I don't know.
Space Jockey, as far as I know was coined by Heinlein in 1947. Many, many people have used it since. Why people insist on using it for an entire race is beyond me.
It's still not referred to as Space Jockey in the film. It's a nick-name.
The set with the deceased alien creature, which the production team nicknamed the "space jockey"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(film)#Set_design_and_filming
Fair enough. I assumed because it was used so much that it was something from the background material. Like the way Gammorean guards are never referred to by that name in Return of the Jedi but I still know that's what they're called. It's still a daft phrase but I suppose that makes it significantly less stupid.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 11:02:10 PM
It's still not referred to as Space Jockey in the film. It's a nick-name.
Quite so, Mr Soap. So in no way is it anything like official... Except the fact it seemed to be a pilot.
I prefer knob-jockey. Fits with the Giger sensibility more.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 11:04:56 PM
I prefer knob-jockey. Fits with the Giger sensibility more.
And they could rename the Power Loader the Shirt Lifter.
Well, Prometheus is still a good few months away yet, but Ridleys already thinking ahead.....?
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00047688.html
Some Blade Runner titbits in there as well.
He ain't gonna go all 'George Lucas' on us is he and start f##kin with the greatness.
Quote from: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 02:30:32 PM
He ain't gonna go all 'George Lucas' on us is he and start f##kin with the greatness.
Hasn't he already done that with the endless revisions of Blade Runner?
Not really (IMO). I got the two disc special edition on blue ray and it is incredible. An already amazing film made even more amazing'er. Subtle and loving tweaks and enhancements to FX shots. Its truly a thing of beauty. Plus a top 'Making of' doc to boot.
Quote from: The Cosh on 11 February, 2012, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 02:30:32 PM
He ain't gonna go all 'George Lucas' on us is he and start f##kin with the greatness.
Hasn't he already done that with the endless revisions of Blade Runner?
The difference is that Ridley Scott has gone back and made a brilliant film even better, while Lucas with his incessant fuck-twiddling has taken a once great film and taken a huge CGI dump all over it!
Couldn't agree more. LUCAS! STEP AWAY FROM THE FRANCHISE. NOW!!! (big beardy 'Bread Head'). >:(
I really don't think anyone would care what Georgie-boy does with SW as long as he allowed the originals to be released in the best available format for viewing and leave it at that. At least Ridley Scott gave us everything in a pretty comprehensive archive for everyone to appreciate.
I think this film is safer than most when it comes to prequels. For one thing the continuity is pretty loose in all the other related films. Five Aliens, Three Predators and two AVPs that all roughly fit together. Varying quality and if you pick the best parts out you get a really good far reaching plot.
This film will try to add to that. It isn't Alien or Predator, they have stated this fairly clearly. It is just 'of' Alien & Predator.
Really looking forward to it.
Quote from: Bat King on 12 February, 2012, 02:25:47 PM
This film will try to add to that. It isn't Alien or Predator, they have stated this fairly clearly. It is just 'of' Alien & Predator.
Really looking forward to it.
Funny story:
In a pub, with friends, we all started talking about the movies that are out this year. Prometheus comes up in discussion, and a few friends start saying 'Ahh, but it doesn't LOOK like Alien' and 'but there's no sodding ALIENS in it!' and even 'I don't want to watch it unless Ripley's in it'.
My reaction was to BANG my fist on the tabletop, with sufficient force to disturb the beer in our glasses, and shout at them 'OH, FOR F*** SAKE! PUT YOUR BLOODY KNICKERS ON! IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME! IT
WILL BE AWESOME! AND YOU'LL ALL WATCH IT ANYWAY! "
It seemed to do the trick.
I like ur Dan Dare Dredd. :thumbsup:
Quote from: The return of Judge Jack on 10 February, 2012, 04:26:28 PM
Well, Prometheus is still a good few months away yet, but Ridleys already thinking ahead.....?
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00047688.html
Some Blade Runner titbits in there as well.
All this talk about
Blade Runner and
Prometheus sequels, and not a peep about his plans for finally getting around to
The Forever War. feh.
Here the Trailer 1b; (without the titles)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pamcfmMGuGw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pamcfmMGuGw)
Quote from: HdE on 12 February, 2012, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: Bat King on 12 February, 2012, 02:25:47 PM
This film will try to add to that. It isn't Alien or Predator, they have stated this fairly clearly. It is just 'of' Alien & Predator.
Really looking forward to it.
Funny story:
In a pub, with friends, we all started talking about the movies that are out this year. Prometheus comes up in discussion, and a few friends start saying 'Ahh, but it doesn't LOOK like Alien' and 'but there's no sodding ALIENS in it!' and even 'I don't want to watch it unless Ripley's in it'.
My reaction was to BANG my fist on the tabletop, with sufficient force to disturb the beer in our glasses, and shout at them 'OH, FOR F*** SAKE! PUT YOUR BLOODY KNICKERS ON! IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME! IT WILL BE AWESOME! AND YOU'LL ALL WATCH IT ANYWAY! "
It seemed to do the trick.
Had a 'This isn't an A;lien Prequel' conversation with two of my mates when in the car off for a walk in the country... One of them couldn't get his head round 'but if it is set before Alien and in the same place it must be a prequel'.
Hilarious, though in a battle of wits I shouldn't fight a one armed man. We'll all go see it of course, rude not to.
Well according to a Hungerian website, Guy Pearce's role in Prometheus is finally revealed by Ridley - [spoiler]after much speculation he's not going to be an Space Jockey/Engineer, he's to play Peter Weyland - a entreprenuer who owns the Prometheus ship, also Guy himself said a while ago, that his role in the film amounted to only a minute or so of screen time.... mmm.
There was some storyboards leaked a while ago, depicting a Bill Gates type figure delivering a lecture in front of a huge audience, but these were dimissed as fan fakery, so maybe they wasnt after all?[/spoiler]
Not big twist, [spoiler]but Guy Peace plays an entrepreneur called Peter Weyland.[/spoiler]
Also Ridley Scott says "Prometheus is a new film, a new world, and is full of new ideas. And of course new monsters as well."
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/guy-pearce-s-prometheus-role-revealed (http://www.totalfilm.com/news/guy-pearce-s-prometheus-role-revealed)
At the risk of rushing a post in, but just seen this (once) and WTF is this!?!?!?!?!?
http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/
Have i just seen what i think ive just seen?
Oh, and if your saving Prometheus for the cinema then dont watch.
Woah, what was that? Was it just a long uninterrupted clip form the movie?
In a nutshell, yes.
Brilliant, cheers for that Judge Jack :)
Quote from: Judge Jack on 28 February, 2012, 07:38:26 PM
At the risk of rushing a post in, but just seen this (once) and WTF is this!?!?!?!?!?
http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/
Have i just seen what i think ive just seen?
Wow, that is brilliant clever marketing! You can see the website itself is all marketing about Peter Weyland! What a smart move!
My brain has melted. Is this what nerdgasm feels like? ;)
Now the question is, as Guy himself said his screentime only amounted to a couple of minutes, have we just witnessed his entire performance?
Clever. But if that's Weyland where's Yutani?
Very clever piece that. Thanks for sharing it.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 28 February, 2012, 08:45:39 PM
Clever. But if that's Weyland where's Yutani?
Maybe not featured in it or film, there was Ms Yutani in AVP2, and Mr Weyland (the founder of the company) in AVP1. So they both became a long time company, as he announced his intent to build the first convincingly humanoid robotic system by the end of the decade. So the film would be many years later...?
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
Same video but the weyland site. Perhaps more to come on here.
Quote from: Goaty on 28 February, 2012, 09:06:09 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 28 February, 2012, 08:45:39 PM
Clever. But if that's Weyland where's Yutani?
Maybe not featured in it or film, there was Ms Yutani in AVP2, and Mr Weyland (the founder of the company) in AVP1. So they both became a long time company, as he announced his intent to build the first convincingly humanoid robotic system by the end of the decade. So the film would be many years later...?
Yes, i was thinking this is maybe set a good few years before the main action.
Think its safe to assume that Ridley Scott isnt remotely interested in using the AvP or AvPR version of events, regarding Weyland - and Yutani, in any way, shape or form. Thank Grud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQLRMIGA2I
Are those films even classed as canon?
Either way, itll be his "how and why" thatll shape this film.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=33262 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=33262)
Empire says the TED video isn't film footage, it was directed by Ridley's son Luke.
Oooh, crappy! Thought that was boring rubbish myself.
Bad accent. Bad acting. Bad monologue.
Aliens, Predator & AvP only have loose continuity at best. So this film could contradict the lot if it wanted.
And yeah, that clip is promo material, whether it will be in the film or not it is intended for pre-'theatre' watching.
WARNING! WARNING! CLICHÉD CARTOON BADDIE WITH A VOICE LIKE A BAD JAMES MASON IMPRESSION ALERT!
Strangest I think it's also for new Blade Runner, could that be both films in same universe?
Peter Weyland is more than likely going to be the old man in the wheelchair seen in the trailer.
Still struggling to see why people are getting so worked up about this film, and also struggling to think of any genuinely good films Scott has made in the last twenty years - Gladiator and Black Hawk Down were pretty good but hardly classics while Hannibal was downright awful.
I've maintained this for a while (near-blasphemous in nerd circles) and this short clip does little to change my opinion. An artist returning to their past glories - especially after such a long period of time - usually indicates that they've either lost their mojo, or no longer have the clout to get a brand-new property off the ground. A quick look at Scott's recent output suggests he is badly in need of a hit movie.
Don't think it will be Phantom Menace-bad by any stretch, but wouldn't be surprised if it turns out a bit underwhelming and forgettable. It certainly ain't gonna live up to all this hype.
Quote from: the shutdown man on 28 February, 2012, 10:41:41 PM
Empire says the TED video isn't film footage, it was directed by Ridley's son Luke.
That makes sense. Watching last night i did think that a number of things didnt quite add up, and im glad this sequence isnt directly lifted from the film but as a little promo, nothing more nothing less, to whet the appetite its great.
Think the accent is fine, no problem with it at all.
Quote from: Anderson's Shame on 29 February, 2012, 09:52:15 AM
Peter Weyland is more than likely going to be the old man in the wheelchair seen in the trailer.
Interesting....
Quote from: radiator on 29 February, 2012, 02:03:24 PM
Still struggling to see why people are getting so worked up about this film, ...It certainly ain't gonna live up to all this hype.
:| :eh: :lol:
QuoteStill struggling to see why people are getting so worked up about this film, and also struggling to think of any genuinely good films Scott has made in the last twenty years - Gladiator and Black Hawk Down were pretty good but hardly classics while Hannibal was downright awful.
Phew! I thought I was the only one not excited about this movie. And I kind of agree about Scott, too. Robin Hood was a terrible movie, but I did enjoy the directors cut of Kingdom of Heaven.
l'm with Radiator and Clements Block!
I always maintained Gladiator was overhyped. Good, for sure, but a classic to be enjoyed by generations? I don't think so.
Trailer does look good in parts but I'm just not feeling the love for either Ridley or the franchise. They've let me down too many times before.
Eagerly awaiting this film, if its half as good as Alien it will be at best an enjoyable cinematic experience.
I'm interested in it because there's some likelihood of a good script behind it. He's never been the greatest film-maker and his past 'glories' tend to be stylish and empty snoozefests but the cast is good and the window dressing looks great.
Quote from: radiator on 29 February, 2012, 02:03:24 PM.
Don't think it will be Phantom Menace-bad by any stretch, but wouldn't be surprised if it turns out a bit underwhelming and forgettable. It certainly ain't gonna live up to all this hype.
I really can't think of the last film that did live up to the hype, to be honest.
Long gone are the days when a film would just slip out with little or any hype and actually suprise the cinema goer.
Every thing is teasered, trailered and focused grouped to within an inch of its life today.
Having said this, aside from Dredd, it's one of the few "blockbusters" I'm actually excited about and if anyone can bring the Alien franchise back to the pedigree it once had it's Scott.
In complete agreement that Scott hasn't made a truly great film for eons, but for some reason I've gone and got all worked up about this film. Something about it promises greatness - the cast, the production values, the story, the cinematography - all of this gleaned from what tiny excerpts I've seen so far of course, and I@m fully aware it may be a case of Phantom Menace syndrome - ie having faith in a hack director to recapture what made them fleetingly great about 30 years ago (I did it with every one of the SW prequels - 'I know the last one was shit, but THIS time he'll do it, he'll recapture the magic and it'll be like old times!').
Still, Scott did give us Blade Runner and Alien (and Legend, seriously, I love that movie), so let's wait and see.
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 02 March, 2012, 10:45:34 AM
Scott did give us Blade Runner and Alien (and Legend, seriously, I love that movie), so let's wait and see.
...dont forget the Duellists, which is just superb.
Watched the Duellists again the other day and its still awesome. That might partly be for the costume porn in it mind. Black Hawk Down is pretty good and I enjoyed Kingdom of Heaven (although I'll admit I'm probably the only one). He's hardly a hack to the same level of Lucas though who only ever directed one good film and the majority of stuff he's written has only been rescued with different directors beating it into shape.
Yeah I watched 'The Duellists' again not that long ago and it really is a bit of a classic. Absolutely love it. To a great degree the acting for the two central characters wins the day but its a fine film all round....
...which to stay on topic I hope is referenced in his new film...ahem...
True enough James. I haven't seen the Duellists for years - will have to check it out again, cheers for the reminder guys :)
I haven't seen that many of Scott's films, but he seems to me to turn out a lot of three-star type movies - not terrible, but not great either and ultimately quite forgettable. I wouldn't call him a 'hack' but I do think he's still coasting on work he did thirty years ago to some extent. I think people are deluding themselves to think that Prometheus is going to be significantly better than everything else he's done in recent years.
Alien is of course superb (and is the only Scott film I own), but I've never 'got' Blade Runner. I can appreciate it from a visual and design point of view, but as an actual film it bores me senseless. Tried to watch it many times and always end up falling asleep or getting bored and switching it off. Should probably give it another go one of these days.
The cast for Prometheus looks great - but that means nothing without a decent script - as for that, who knows? I'm not a fan of Lost and am not really familiar with Lindelof's other work.
Tbh I was far more interested to see Scott's planned adaptation of The Forever War, which seems to be firmly on the back-burner now. The novel has such an interesting story and concept that, while in need of updating, would be pretty hard to screw up cinematically.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 02 March, 2012, 11:53:15 AM
Yeah I watched 'The Duellists' again not that long ago and it really is a bit of a classic.
It really is a lovely little film, and maybe one that slips under the radar a bit.
Has Scott's stamp all over it, while his later films could have been from anyone really. He may not be everyones cup of tea, but i wouldnt say he's a spent force.
...and while Alien gets all the love, we'd do well to remember, at its heart, its a polished b-movie.
But i sincerely doubt that Prometheus is in any danger of becoming the Alien franchises Phantom Menance. Admittedly, after over 30 years worth of history, what was once shocking and unique, now has a ring of familiarity about it, and some people will moan at whatever, but im excited (as with Dredd) and ill make my mind up when it hits the cinema.
Kingdom Of Heaven-The Directors Cut (avoid the cinema version) is a superb film and let's not forget Thelma And Louise, another exceptional film.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 03 March, 2012, 11:25:50 AM
Kingdom Of Heaven-The Directors Cut (avoid the cinema version) is a superb film and let's not forget Thelma And Louise, another exceptional film.
Agreed. Thelma and Louise is probably the last genuinely great movie he made.
and who can forgot White Squall? all of us hopefully.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 03 March, 2012, 01:21:18 PM
and who can forgot White Squall? all of us hopefully.
So what?
He's made two genre defining films like Alien and Blade Runner and very few directors can lay claim to the same.
Every director, no matter how great, has got a few failures in their back catalogue.
QuoteHe's made two genre defining films like Alien and Blade Runner and very few directors can lay claim to the same.
Every director, no matter how great, has got a few failures in their back catalogue.
I don't believe he should get a free pass just because he made two very respected and influential films thirty years ago. You're only as good as your last film.
Ridely Scott's filmography:
The Duellists
Alien
Blade Runner
Legend
Someone to Watch Over Me
Black Rain
Thelma & Louise
1492: Conquest of Paradise
White Squall
GI Jane
Gladiator
Hannibal
Black Hawk Down
Matchstick Men
Kingdom of Heaven
A Good Year
American Gangster
Body of Lies
Robin Hood
Quote from: radiator on 03 March, 2012, 01:44:01 PM
QuoteHe's made two genre defining films like Alien and Blade Runner and very few directors can lay claim to the same.
Every director, no matter how great, has got a few failures in their back catalogue.
I don't believe he should get a free pass just because he made two very respected and influential films thirty years ago. You're only as good as your last film.
Ridely Scott's filmography:
The Duellists
Alien
Blade Runner
Legend
Someone to Watch Over Me
Black Rain
Thelma & Louise
1492: Conquest of Paradise
White Squall
GI Jane
Gladiator
Hannibal
Black Hawk Down
Matchstick Men
Kingdom of Heaven
A Good Year
American Gangster
Body of Lies
Robin Hood
And I enjoyed both Body Of Lies and American Gangster, haven't seen Robin Hood so can't comment.
Prometheus could be a huge disappointment but at least it has a better chance of succeeding with Scott at the helm, rather than a McG or Micheal Bay calling the shots.
Is anybody on here actually saying he should be given a free pass?
I dont think im deluding myself over Prometheus either. What ive seen so far ticks all the boxes for me, and what Ridley himself has said im excited by. If, when i see it at the cinema, it turns out to be a pile of shit, ill be the first to post that on here.
My all time favourite shot in Alien is the reveal of the Spacejockey inside the derelict,
Now by seemingly focusing, and maybe expanding upon, the one remaining mysterious aspect of the Alien story, the biggest potential risk, for Prometheus, is to have an audience (especially the hardcore fans) go "
is that it?!? Ive waited 30+ years for that!?! Rubbish! As every though, itll all be down to personal taste if Prometheus satisfies or not.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 03 March, 2012, 01:59:33 PM
Prometheus could be a huge disappointment but at least it has a better chance of succeeding with Scott at the helm, rather than a McG or Micheal Bay calling the shots.
Hell, Yes!
Its my understanding that Robin Hood got strewed up somewhere along the way due to changes in its script. I don't know if it was Russell Crow, the Studio, or Scott himself that changed the intent of the original script. But originally wasn't it suppose to be called Nottingham, and be from the point of view of the Sheriff? Because that sounds a lot more interesting then what we got.
I haven't seen all of Scott's filmography, but I have a good track record from his last decade. And between Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut, American Gangster, and Gladiator I have a lot of good faith toward the director. And the fact is, Prometheus will be his big return to Science Fiction, and his Science Fiction track record is a perfect score.
I really should watch Matchstick Men at some point. If only because apparently Sam Rockwell is in it. Love that guy.
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
You can sign into this now not sure what it holds instore.
Answer to the above "not a lot"
Quote from: James Stacey on 02 March, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Watched the Duellists again the other day and its still awesome. That might partly be for the costume porn in it mind. Black Hawk Down is pretty good and I enjoyed Kingdom of Heaven (although I'll admit I'm probably the only one). He's hardly a hack to the same level of Lucas though who only ever directed one good film and the majority of stuff he's written has only been rescued with different directors beating it into shape.
The Duellists is a little gem of a movie, and you're not the only one who enjoyed Kingdom of Heaven, James dude, that film (the amazing 'Director's Cut', of course, what other version is there?) is simply a materpiece and one of Ridley's best films to date, a much more accomplished film than the excellent-but-somewhat-overrated Gladiator IMO, and in defence of Luca$ (I can't believe I just said that :o), he's directed THREE great movies;
THX-1138,
American Graffiti, and
Star Wars, but who's counting...
This image has just be 'found' hidden on the Weyland Industries website
https://www.weylandindustries.com/6EQUJ5/6EQUJ5.jpg (https://www.weylandindustries.com/6EQUJ5/6EQUJ5.jpg)
Too big to post here, but it is truly awesome!
So looking forward to this film.
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
It was in the trailer.
Wonderful detail in that picture. This movie is going to look amazing on the new Imax screen in Sheffield :-)
Quote from: LARF on 07 March, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
This image has just be 'found' hidden on the Weyland Industries website
https://www.weylandindustries.com/6EQUJ5/6EQUJ5.jpg (https://www.weylandindustries.com/6EQUJ5/6EQUJ5.jpg)
WOW! a photo which most have seen, big deal.
But then its not so much the photo, but the file name - "6EQUJ5" which is of interest
which after a bit of googling reveals this - http://www.bigear.org/6equj5.htm
and perhaps
WOW! does describe it after all............
Black Rain is great, especially the bit where Andy Garcia's head gets cut off, and there's a magic bit in Someone to Watch Over Me where the light from the swimming pool plays across the walls. He's good at that sort of thing.
2nd trailer will be out on 17th March
http://youtu.be/CH_UpJeK6Ho
Quote from: Anderson's Shame on 12 March, 2012, 01:43:12 PM
http://youtu.be/CH_UpJeK6Ho
Looks good opening, cant wait for full trailer on 17th March! Happy St Patrick's Day!
Excited as I am for this film, trailers for trailers? really ?
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 March, 2012, 02:09:01 PM
Excited as I am for this film, trailers for trailers? really ?
Well we had teaser's for the teaser, so why not ;)
Only short, but it still gives a bit away. Yep, roll on the 17th.
Treble wow :o :o :o . . . to the teaser trailer of the up and coming trailer!
Hmmnn, just a bit of Alien DNA, no my friends looking at this trailer we've got a full blown prequal. Some very familiar designs towards the end of this one.
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/129
i dont think i can link directly to the trailer you've got to go to here and click view trailer.
CU Radbacker
Yeah was just gonna post that here myself. Prometheus was always a Prequel , but they had to rename it to let that AVP fanboys know that it isn't going to be a generic rehash.
Not HD but heres a link from YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNZEyrAf_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNZEyrAf_Q)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7wEoDuydvU&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7wEoDuydvU&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
I get the creeping suspicion that space jockeys are humans with biomechanoid add-ons.
That all looks rather busy and... underwhelming.
It's probably completely inappropriate to judge a movie by the trailer, but my first impression is meh , looks visually gorgeous, but then again, so did that 1995-movie-that-shall-not-be-named, but don't listen to me, I happen to be in the minority that thinks Alien 3 was/is a criminally underrated masterpiece (the 145-minute extended 'assembly cut' in particular - even though it still didn't explain how the facehuggers got on board the Sulaco), and that we simply didn't/don't need to know where the alien and the space jockey came from... some things are best left to the imagination (see also: the Star Wars backstory)...
Quote from: Anderson's Shame on 17 March, 2012, 05:36:47 AM
Prometheus was always a Prequel , but they had to rename it to let that AVP fanboys know that it isn't going to be a generic rehash.
Or rather that it wasn't part of the Ms. Weaver franchise.
As Kane said in Alien, "quit griping!"
It looks amazing and having the words Ridley Scott and Science Fiction together is enough to secure my ticket.
This trailer is still only just over a minute long so there maybe more later around 11pm http://go.amctheatres.com/prometheus (http://go.amctheatres.com/prometheus)
Quote from: TordelBack on 17 March, 2012, 07:29:28 AM
That all looks rather busy and... underwhelming.
Yep, same here - ive only just caught this though. The original teaser had more punch to it i think.
But this is just the IMAX 3D trailer, the proper trailer is due later on today.
Edit - just seen Andersons Shame's post above. so later on tonight then!
Well, I liked it. I particularly found the scene where you see the [spoiler]Space Jockey's rib cage open [/spoiler] intriguing.
[spoiler]I wonder if it actually will be the obvious or something else entirely. The ribs open slowly which is strange considering what usually happens during the chest burst scenes in the Alien films. Almost like a mechanism built into a mechanical or biological exoskeleton, if the being inside wanted to exit. When considering the state of the fossilized creature they found in Alien, I wonder if the foreshadowing of what would happen to Kane will be coincidental.[/spoiler]
No sign of the trailer yet, so while were waiting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gEO3lmVy-tU
http://youtu.be/HHcHYisZFLU (http://youtu.be/HHcHYisZFLU)
Gulp..............
Just finished watching, but what is that at 1:37? An [spoiler]Alien[/spoiler]?
Right, off to re-watch this another 1000 or so times
That trailer was something very, very special! :o
Amazing trailer, hope the film's as good.
Heres the Q&A session with Ridley from a few hours ago on - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTwVoIapW-Y&feature=player_embedded
Brilliant trailer, just brilliant.
Now that ive watched it a few times - it does seem to be a lot o' footage weve been treated to, with this and the other earlier teasers, which begs the question - what else have they held back story-wise? Hope this isnt the bulk of the film....
Gonna have to start avoiding anything new now, until release day, ;)
Still, [spoiler]the image at 1:37 was a surprise. Wasnt expecting that, if it is what it looks like it is...[/spoiler].
Quote from: Judge Jack on 18 March, 2012, 01:33:53 AM
it does seem to be a lot o' footage weve been treated to, with this and the other earlier teasers, which begs the question - what else have they held back story-wise? Hope this isnt the bulk of the film....
The whole story is revealed in simple ways but brilliantly cut.
Just one answer; wow.
So those you think it's one trick pony from the director who didn't got good films last few years or what thrilling about this story; check this trailer!
Quote from: Goaty on 18 March, 2012, 02:42:12 AM
Just one answer; wow.
So those you think it's one trick pony from the director who didn't got good films last few years or what thrilling about this story; check this trailer!
The film is probably the business, Goaty dude, that new trailer just didn't get the ol' pulse racing (best and most drop-dead awesome trailer yet made is still the Episode I teaser, 13 years on and still not bettered), and I've actually defended Ridley's recent work on this forum;
Gladiator ,
Black Hawk Down ,
Kingdom of Heaven (the infinitely superior Director's Cut, needless to say),
American Gangster , all classics in my opinion, and I'm sure Prometheus will be alongside those films upon release...
Quote from: Anderson's Shame on 17 March, 2012, 11:49:20 PM
http://youtu.be/HHcHYisZFLU (http://youtu.be/HHcHYisZFLU)
:o... WOW!
I take everything I said about the Prometheus trailer being "meh" back - and then some - I thought the trailer released early Saturday morning
was the trailer, I didn't know it was just the IMAX trailer and that the REAL trailer was to debut later in the day... and I just came across it, so forgive my backtracking and consumption of ample quantities of humble pie, but that trailer was AWESOME, no, make that AWESOME, what a difference to the IMAX one, and I concur with dweezil, I firmly believe this truly could be something very, very special indeed, in Ridley we trust!!!
Quote from: Judge Jack on 18 March, 2012, 12:02:16 AM
Gulp..............
Just finished watching, but what is that at 1:37? An [spoiler]Alien[/spoiler]?
Here's your screen shot. Definitely a [spoiler]xenomorph[/spoiler] or [spoiler]proto-xenomorph[/spoiler].
Gosh. That was one impressive trailer. Obviously it trades heavily on our familiarity with Alien, and the plot as outlined is one of my most disliked SF tropes, but that is a fine, fine piece of film.
I'm calling this now: [spoiler]Michael Fassbender's[/spoiler] character will be [spoiler]an android[/spoiler].
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 18 March, 2012, 09:04:04 AM
I'm calling this now: [spoiler]Michael Fassbender's[/spoiler] character will be [spoiler]an android[/spoiler].
It's not a secret. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54EWIk5qZAs&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54EWIk5qZAs&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 18 March, 2012, 09:04:04 AM
I'm calling this now: [spoiler]Michael Fassbender's[/spoiler] character will be [spoiler]an android[/spoiler].
Sorry if you miss it, it was well-known in many Film media sites.
BUT I am bet that there is [spoiler]more than one Android...[/spoiler]
Bah! The guess still counts though!
Just seen it and I'm Speechless. Nolan and Cameron will be quaking in their creative boots. May turn out to be one of the best years ever for movies!
.....and now the UK version of the trailer, quite a bit of new footage in this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jRaa4Wkbk&feature=player_embedded
Ooh, object being scanned at 1:50 looks quite like the [spoiler]Alien eggs[/spoiler] we're used to seeing.
Interesting as the UK trailer got Alien's FONT style for the title?
and yet no mention of Alien in the list "From the director of....." ;)
Looking good
Just looked like a remake of ALIEN to me. Wasn't there even a shot of a bird in her scants?
I presume the planet they land on in Prometheus is LV-426 from Alien/Aliens...
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 19 March, 2012, 02:08:22 AM
I presume the planet they land on in Prometheus is LV-426 from Alien/Aliens...
The waters been well and truly muddied of late, [spoiler]but my opinion is that yes, it is.
Though those connected to the film have categorically said it isnt.
Yet LV-426, and the system are all listed in the Weyland timeline on their site, and what weve seen in the trailers, it resembles the planetary system seen in the first film (ringed planet and all).
I suspect a lot of red herrings have been dished out over the last few months or so, as to what is and what isnt.
[/spoiler]
You know what bugs me?
All the veiled chatter of 'Oh, no it's not an Alien movie' when clearly it is. (HOW much more clear evidence do the doubters need? :o ) And has anything been said definitely about the way this impacts canonicity of the other Alien movies?
That stuff needs to be cleared up ASAP, so that we - the fan base, the guys who are paying to see this movie, and the guys whose nerdy interests and sensibilities are impacted by these decisions - have soem definite answers.
I'm already pretty much predisposed to loving the crap out of this movie. But if it throws the events of Aliens out of the back door, I'll not be a happy man.
Quote from: HdE on 19 March, 2012, 06:47:05 PM
You know what bugs me?
All the veiled chatter of 'Oh, no it's not an Alien movie' when clearly it is. (HOW much more clear evidence do the doubters need? :o ) And has anything been said definitely about the way this impacts canonicity of the other Alien movies?
That stuff needs to be cleared up ASAP, so that we - the fan base, the guys who are paying to see this movie, and the guys whose nerdy interests and sensibilities are impacted by these decisions - have soem definite answers.
I'm already pretty much predisposed to loving the crap out of this movie. But if it throws the events of Aliens out of the back door, I'll not be a happy man.
I agree on all points, if it's an Alien prequel then be upfront about it, if it ain't, let it stand by itself (either way, I hope it doesn't retcon and alter the existing mythology of the Alien trilogy), the trouble with prequels is that you're going over ground already covered, and unless you have something genuinely fresh and new to say, then just don't bother, two opposing and recent cases in point being;
X-Men: First Class - a genuinely fresh spin on the mythology, and the first X-Men movie since the 2000 original that did something different and worthy, the sequels were just retreads of the original, but with bigger budgets (and the less said about
...Origins... the better).
The Star Wars prequels - a perfect example of telling a story not only completely wrongly, but also of a story that didn't need to be told in the first place, you already knew the basic backstory details and the eventual outcome from the Trilogy, actually seeing it happen neither deepened your understanding of Anakin Skywalker's choices, thereby changing how you viewed Darth Vader in the Trilogy, nor did it expand and provide the Trilogy with a necessary level of information that you needed in order to understand the overall narrative. I guess it COULD have been done well if done differently (and Lord knows just about EVERYONE has an opinion on How The Prequels Should Have Been Done), but that wouldn't change the underlying truth that it simply didn't need to be told to begin with...
Quote from: HdE on 19 March, 2012, 06:47:05 PM
You know what bugs me?
All the veiled chatter of 'Oh, no it's not an Alien movie' when clearly it is. (HOW much more clear evidence do the doubters need? :o ) And has anything been said definitely about the way this impacts canonicity of the other Alien movies?
That stuff needs to be cleared up ASAP, so that we - the fan base, the guys who are paying to see this movie, and the guys whose nerdy interests and sensibilities are impacted by these decisions - have soem definite answers.
I'm already pretty much predisposed to loving the crap out of this movie. But if it throws the events of Aliens out of the back door, I'll not be a happy man.
I really don't think any of this matters and it's just a game being played. It's an
Alien film in all but name. People will see it anyway, it won't effect it. Considering the quality of some of the sequels and AvP films, how much should it be promoted exclusively as the next part of
Alien anyway?
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 20 March, 2012, 02:36:33 AM
Quote from: HdE on 19 March, 2012, 06:47:05 PM
You know what bugs me?
All the veiled chatter of 'Oh, no it's not an Alien movie' when clearly it is. (HOW much more clear evidence do the doubters need? :o ) And has anything been said definitely about the way this impacts canonicity of the other Alien movies?
That stuff needs to be cleared up ASAP, so that we - the fan base, the guys who are paying to see this movie, and the guys whose nerdy interests and sensibilities are impacted by these decisions - have soem definite answers.
I'm already pretty much predisposed to loving the crap out of this movie. But if it throws the events of Aliens out of the back door, I'll not be a happy man.
I agree on all points, if it's an Alien prequel then be upfront about it, if it ain't, let it stand by itself (either way, I hope it doesn't retcon and alter the existing mythology of the Alien trilogy), the trouble with prequels is that you're going over ground already covered, and unless you have something genuinely fresh and new to say, then just don't bother, two opposing and recent cases in point being;
X-Men: First Class - a genuinely fresh spin on the mythology, and the first X-Men movie since the 2000 original that did something different and worthy, the sequels were just retreads of the original, but with bigger budgets (and the less said about ...Origins... the better).
I agree and disagree with your assumption on the xmen movies. I actually didnt like the first one, I thought it was a rehashed cliched 1960's comic book plot that wouldnt have looked out of place in the Batman TV series of the same era. The second one was a far superior movie, probably due to production values and a better script. The third one was barely passable, Origins just stank.
The thing with Prequals is that they have to add something to the original series without affecting them. First Class worked. Too many dont, Im actually rather excited by prometheous. The Alien franchise has been full of hits and misses, but at least all the films (with the exception of the AvP couple) had ideas. Im just hoping this has more hits and some great ideas.
There's a very convincing, major-spoiler heavy synopsis on the geektyrant website. Here's the link but beware, as spoilers go, it's really, really spoilery.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/11/28/possible-prometheus-synopsis-arrives-spoiler.html
I couldn't help reading it as I've got absolutely no self control and I think it's genuine. It also sounds ace.
I am really looking forward to this.
Alien and Aliens are two of my favourite films ever. Obviously the rest of them are fucking shit, and the Aliens Vs Predator abortions even worse, but with Scott back in charge I'm more hopeful than I would have been.
I'm not sure why the link to Aliens is being downplayed so much. Surely it's a huge selling point?
With the fame of Ripley, facehuggers, chestbursters and Giger's alien via the films, comics, books, games and God knows what else, there is a huuuuuge fanbase who want to see it, isn't there?
Quote from: brendan1 on 20 March, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
I'm not sure why the link to Aliens is being downplayed so much. Surely it's a huge selling point?
With the fame of Ripley, facehuggers, chestbursters and Giger's alien via the films, comics, books, games and God knows what else, there is a huuuuuge fanbase who want to see it, isn't there?
But the huge fanbase will already know and go and see it regardless. As Scott says the alien franchise has been run into the ground. The alien is no longer scary and you see them in Disneyland or wherever.
Quote from: James Stacey on 20 March, 2012, 03:24:22 PM
Quote from: brendan1 on 20 March, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
I'm not sure why the link to Aliens is being downplayed so much. Surely it's a huge selling point?
With the fame of Ripley, facehuggers, chestbursters and Giger's alien via the films, comics, books, games and God knows what else, there is a huuuuuge fanbase who want to see it, isn't there?
But the huge fanbase will already know and go and see it regardless. As Scott says the alien franchise has been run into the ground. The alien is no longer scary and you see them in Disneyland or wherever.
Dunno. The huge fanbase may not be that aware of the link if the last Alien film they saw was 20 years ago. Maybe I'm using the wrong word. Residual awareness?
Quote from: James Stacey on 20 March, 2012, 03:24:22 PM
The alien is no longer scary and you see them in Disneyland or wherever.
Though to be fair it is possible to redeem stuff, such as the Daleks which got a very nice and much needed rejuvenation in 'Dalek'... of course they did go onto to run them back into the ground, but you know hopefully the point carries, it could be done.
This film looks great, but I do think it would be better served being either an honest to goodness prequel, or leaving well alone. This kinda nodding the head to the previous movies, that seems to be happening, just feels like Scott's afraid to commit. Come on fella either go for it or leave old girl alone for good!
Ridley Scott Q & A - Prometheus
http://www.livestream.com/prometheus (http://www.livestream.com/prometheus)
Also there are a few more snippets of movie not seen before in the leadup to it.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 20 March, 2012, 02:40:29 PM
I couldn't help reading it as I've got absolutely no self control
Yep - me too.
Maybe this is from an earlier draft of the script, or story outline? A good bit of this is contradicted by whats been released so far.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 20 March, 2012, 02:40:29 PM
There's a very convincing, major-spoiler heavy synopsis on the geektyrant website. Here's the link but beware, as spoilers go, it's really, really spoilery.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/11/28/possible-prometheus-synopsis-arrives-spoiler.html
I couldn't help reading it as I've got absolutely no self control and I think it's genuine. It also sounds ace.
Wasn't this poo-pooed as fan-wank last year?
Was it? I've not seen it before. It certainly rings true with speculation about the new trailer. If it is crap at least I haven't ruined the film for myself by reading it.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 20 March, 2012, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 20 March, 2012, 03:24:22 PM
The alien is no longer scary and you see them in Disneyland or wherever.
Though to be fair it is possible to redeem stuff, such as the Daleks which got a very nice and much needed rejuvenation in 'Dalek'... of course they did go onto to run them back into the ground, but you know hopefully the point carries, it could be done.
This film looks great, but I do think it would be better served being either an honest to goodness prequel, or leaving well alone. This kinda nodding the head to the previous movies, that seems to be happening, just feels like Scott's afraid to commit. Come on fella either go for it or leave old girl alone for good!
Wouldn't you rather see a film with aliens based on something other than Gigers Necronom IV? I know I would. Part of the reason Alien worked so well was not only because on first viewing noone had any idea of what IT was going to do to the crew of the ship, but the creature itself was also unusual and completely unfamiliar.
The inferior sequels only lessened the impact of the creature and had Ridley Scott made the first sequel, as he has said in the past, the Alien would definitely have not looked the same. Plus there are many disturbing images that Giger has made in the past that are ripe to base a new alien shape on. The Xenomorph at this point is about as scary (outside of the original Alien) as Freddy krueger i.e: not very.
So However the new film turns out it'll be interesting to see how well they can take the series into a new direction.
Having said that I do like the first Three Alien films for different reasons.
I think all the movies are enjoyable for different reasons. I don't think I'd describe any of them as bad sequels.
Thing is, though, I have a problem when continuity starts to get mucked about with at the whim of producers / film-makers who think they know best. I had HUGE problems with 'Predators' over the introduction of the new Predator species, for example. That's just too much of curve-ball to take in my book.
(Also, I thought Predators was poo.)
Quote from: the 'artist' formerly known as Slips on 20 March, 2012, 09:48:39 AM
I agree and disagree with your assumption on the xmen movies. I actually didnt like the first one, I thought it was a rehashed cliched 1960's comic book plot that wouldnt have looked out of place in the Batman TV series of the same era. The second one was a far superior movie, probably due to production values and a better script. The third one was barely passable, Origins just stank.
If the first one had flaws, it was because FOX were stingy with the budget, the final reel wasn't as good as the rest of the film, plus it telegraphed potential sequels too heavily instead of being a satisfying film in it's own right. The second one did have better production values but what did it do if not the first movie with more elaborate but less memorable setpieces (Wolverine's encounter with the cat notwithstanding, a nice little scene that should have been in the first one), once you make the initial socio-political allegory about prejudice, everything after that is just old ground recovered, besides, Wolverine's past is never explored in the comics, it's what gives the character a mystique (and speaking of Mystique, a silly character that shouldn't have been in the first film) and mystery, so why did they feel the need to create a backstory for the film adaptation, and why didn't the fans object to THAT in the same way that Judge Dredd fans rightly objected to the helmet coming off in the 1995 debacle...?
I always thought Wolverines origin was a bit vague anyway, its been told and retold in a number of ways. Its a shame I guess that its kind of concreted in the film. I think as a lot of Marvel and DC output is pretty much full of historical contradictions and rewritings. They probably accepted it the same way they do much of their output. Its written it kind of makes sense in the context of now, we can just ignore what we dont like. Dredd has always been different as he always moves forward in time and theres little or no revisionism, or at least its not as blatent as it is in american comics.
I just thought the premise of the first one sucked, a machine that induces mutation in normals. Oh dear, hackneyed rubbish. Though that is probably american superhero comics books all over mostly..... Though a actually that is the same plot as the next two films as well! Its just a different device for the change. They couldnt even do a decent Dark Pheonix saga.
:lol:
Aliens on E4 now, bit strangest if the Aliens was setting long after timeline of Promuthus...
TV Spot, still looks great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPfcVQwicWU&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPfcVQwicWU&feature=player_embedded)
Now that are nice fan posters!
(http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles18/505248/projects/3080019/d6f2af3607eab5ea273c976e33a70f90.jpg)
(http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles18/505248/projects/3080019/338ee01f00ca3ff52e3040ac1c701601.jpg)
(http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles18/505248/projects/3080019/7cc6cc75fde58b5a7094d54d3579fa11.jpg)
More at here; http://www.behance.net/gallery/RIDLEY-SCOTTS-PROMETHEUS/3080019 (http://www.behance.net/gallery/RIDLEY-SCOTTS-PROMETHEUS/3080019)
Nice Images ... want to see it even sooner. Isn't it about time DREDD had an official poster out!?
Fox has been showing off roughly 15 minutes of 3D Prometheus footage - http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/10/ive-just-seen-bunch-of-scenes-from-prometheus-want-tell-about-them//
Apparently the planet on which they land [spoiler] is LV-223 and not LV-426. Is this mis-direction again? Now, if they are indeed two seperate places, with the LV prefix, they must at least belong to the same planetary system?
Of course, Astronomical objects are always being reclassified (witness the asteriods between Mars and Jupiter), so in the time period between Prometheus and Alien/s, LV-223 could easily become LV-426? [/spoiler]
And some nice new photos here - http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2012/04/11/discover-prometheus-with-these-new-exclusive-images/
Check out the "Mural" photo.
ThankGrud the world has Alex Jones to tell us what Prometheus is REALLLLLLLLLYYYYY about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enzaao300M0&feature=g-vrec&context=G24cb6a2RVAAAAAAAADA
Directed Panspermia apparently (and a fake fan-script).
BWWWWAAAAARRRRRRRNNNNNNN
ao-ao-AOH-oh
Some interesting speculation about the alien life forms here:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-%26-entertainment/prometheus-may-feature-alf%2c-hints-ridley-scott-201204115109/ (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-%26-entertainment/prometheus-may-feature-alf%2c-hints-ridley-scott-201204115109/)
Wow, why not Prometheus's Marketing team doing Dredd as here is new viral marketing that not include in the film!
Could be spolier If you dont know [spoiler]that he is Android? [/spoiler]
Happy Birthday David! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DOOJl5lWNfM)
Now there special posters came with Viral video; wow....
Happy Birthday David! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DOOJl5lWNfM)
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/59977.jpg)
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/59979.jpg)
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/59978.jpg)
Lol, that video is camper than a row of tents, and then some..
The question they should have asked David was - "describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about your mother. "
....still, wonder what the distressing or unethical directives that he can carry out, are?
And is it just me?, but there does seems to be an definite Kubrickian flavour to Prometheus.
Something tells me that video is be more interesting than the film.
That does nothing for me, I'm afraid. It's a good performance, but beyond that... well, it's been done, and better, and without the truly irritating hair.
Also the vehicle designs are a little R*Type, which is ironic, and not in a good way.
Those David 8's always were a bit twitchy!
And that transporter looks like the one from UFO. Which is all kinds of good!
And that viral video is rocking the Kubrick look which is also all kinds of goodness!
"David 8, we need you to put out a bunch of fires."
"Okay so, Oi'll put out does foires, to be sure I will, begor - wait a minit, yous just wanna see me wang, dont ye's, Texas String?"
"Yes, that would be the case, but it's also getting too hot in here, in fact you might say it's like -
"LIKE A FORTY DEGREE DAY!"
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 17 April, 2012, 10:43:01 PM
"David 8, we need you to put out a bunch of fires."
"Okay so, Oi'll put out does foires, to be sure I will, begor - wait a minit, yous just wanna see me wang, dont ye's, Texas String?"
"Yes, that would be the case, but it's also getting too hot in here, in fact you might say it's like -
"LIKE A FORTY DEGREE DAY!"
Yeah, but it's a dry heat!
Channel 4 has what is said to be the "world premiere" (?) of the Prometheus trailer this coming Sunday - http://www.brandrepublic.com/news/1128874
Was the last trailer classed as a teaser, and thisll be the full trailer then?
That's my TiVo set to record then (drools with anticipation :-p)
Dear Grud, Tw*tter being used to encourage people to watch adverts? Repulsive, and very Fahrenheit 451 :lol: OMG, they replied to me! Squeeeeeeeal!
Still, will record that to see the trailer itself I suppose.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 27 April, 2012, 01:14:01 PM
Was the last trailer classed as a teaser, and thisll be the full trailer then?
Yes and yes.
Bloody hell, I was watch Homeland, I forgot about Prometheus trailer, and what a trailer!!
Few things;
[spoiler]Is Charlize Theron [/spoiler][spoiler]an android? As she behaved strange as robot style?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Wow Space Jockey ran, only in holographic video! Wow...[/spoiler]
[spoiler]What the hell is that "Snake"??[/spoiler]
[spoiler]And nasty way of acid on the the helmet! [/spoiler]
Here the C4 new trailer! WOW....
Helmet melt is the best thing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byZkbNB3Jw&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byZkbNB3Jw&feature=youtu.be)
Cheers Goaty, didnt think it would be long before it went on-line somewhere.
Some intriguing new shots in there, - [spoiler]helmet melt!, Jockey in the hologram playback!, Space snake! all good. Theron's character as an android? theres been much speculation about this on the forums, guess well have to wait and see[/spoiler]
How long now before release, 5 weeks? Itll be here before we know it!
EDIT: Anyone on here get there Twitter post shown?
aou-oo-OOH-oo
Attack of the Bat-Vaginas.
BBWWAAAAARRRRRRRRNNNNN
Snakes on a space plane.
Good stuff though lots of intriguing weirdie bits.
We're already getting Danger-Bird copycats!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5NNkyDt65w
Watched the new improved Trailer.
Didn't really give too much away but certainly it looks like it's going [spoiler]to involve the 'Space Jockeys,' slithering snake things and occasional yukiness. [/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think I saw a Space Jockey loping down a corridor and was that the planet breaking up to reveal hitherto unknown metallic Alien base? [/spoiler]
Definately [spoiler]Space Jockeys[/spoiler] alive on that ship. As for Charlene as suggested earlier by someone I believe she is a [spoiler]robot [/spoiler]too. Far too clinically aesthetic in her ways, has the grey suit too akin to David 8.
Well, not long left now before it hits the cinemas, and things are getting a bit spoiler-tastic. Id imagine itll get worse over the coming weeks, especially with the press screenings next week. So for that reason im outta here until after ive seen it in the piccies.
See you all back on this thread next month.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 02 May, 2012, 12:20:44 PM
Well, not long left now before it hits the cinemas, and things are getting a bit spoiler-tastic. Id imagine itll get worse over the coming weeks, especially with the press screenings next week. So for that reason im outta here until after ive seen it in the piccies.
See you all back on this thread next month.
A wise proclamation from Judge Jack Block... I've been sent two "Spoiler" emails from mates which were instantly deleted. This is definitely one I want to go and see as blind as possible...I'm blanking this thread effective immediately!
It's rated R, apparently.
Your MUM was--
Nah. Forget it. It's too easy.
It's "mom."
As in "Your mom was rated NC-17, so the studio had to frantically put together a new cut, resulting in a confusing, half-baked mess of a mom which tanks at the box office, much like what will almost inevitably happen to a certain movie coming out in a certain ninth month of this year."
Your MOM will tamk at the box office!
...
That felt more like it.
Quote from: JamesC on 09 May, 2012, 10:55:56 AM
Does that mean we're getting a cut version?
No, uncut version;
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=33910 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=33910)
Quote
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 07 May, 2012, 08:57:44 PM
It's rated R, apparently.
And 15 in UK...
Does that mean we're getting a cut version?
I think like Australia your ratings are a bit different to the US, our equivalent of a US R (which I believe is restricted to audiences over 16? or 15? unless accompanied by an adult) is usually MA15 (which means restricted to 15+ unless accompanied by an adult) which i guess is the same as your 15. Sometimes US R movies are put into our R catagorie (which is restricted to 18+) but anything that gets a NC17 (pretty much means no US cinema will show it except small indipendants) in the US always hit R in Australia.
So I'm guessing R in US, 15 in UK and MA15 in Australia for Prometheus, I'd say Dredd will be similar exploding heads or not the only thing that might push Dredd into an R in Australia might be if it shows some skin (like the US our rating board let through all sorts of depraved violent shit but have heart attacks at boobs and bush!
CU Radbacker
Yup Radbacker - that's about the way the ratings match up.
Cute PR photo, Michael Fassbender does got lovely smile!
(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/n/new-images-from-prometheus-102682-03-470-75.jpg)
Think I'd probably try to design androids that didn't require spacesuits.
covers up his wang and stops Roger getting to excited.
That's exactly the facial expression I'd have if caught between Charlize Theron and Noomi Rapace.
Fassbender would make a great Joker in the soon to be rebooted Batman series....
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 May, 2012, 09:40:11 AM
Think I'd probably try to design androids that didn't require spacesuits.
There's a joking comment about this in the movie apparently.
Thats a really good pic that, thanks for the share.
Oddly looking forward to this less now I've seen Avengers (twice)...
But still looking forward to it.
You know, after reading up on a few bits that *may or may not* be movie spoilers, I'm actually wondering if I should NOT go and see this at the cinema. For fear that I may soil myself in abject terror.
Quote from: HdE on 13 May, 2012, 03:57:11 PM
You know, after reading up on a few bits that *may or may not* be movie spoilers, I'm actually wondering if I should NOT go and see this at the cinema. For fear that I may soil myself in abject terror.
In that case, I hope they're suppling nappies at the IMAX! :o
Another Prometheus viral
Quiet Eye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwEtldZQNew&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwEtldZQNew&feature=player_embedded#!)
Clever short and very attractive Actress.
The DVD's going to have a lot of extras...
Quote from: M.I.K. on 16 May, 2012, 11:40:24 PM
The DVD's going to have a lot of extras...
Well, it BETTER!
ow insane would it be for the DVD NOT to have all these virals collected onto it?
Prometheus has been rated by the BBFC, behold - http://www.bbfc.co.uk/CFF286710/ - I know the 'Empire' article linked to previously on this thread pretty much stated that, just makin' it official now...
I think this one is really goign to suprise a few people, listened to a couple of audio clips out there from it and f^&k me if it doesn't sound like full on horror. I can not wait.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: Radbacker on 17 May, 2012, 08:57:27 AM
I think this one is really goign to suprise a few people, listened to a couple of audio clips out there from it and f^&k me if it doesn't sound like full on horror. I can not wait.
CU Radbacker
It's a 15. Hardly "full-on horror"
That said, I bet Aliens would be a 15 these days. And possibly Alien too. Er...maybe.
Alien and Aliens have always been NRC (the old MA15 rating in Oz) and several other rather violent movies as I've stated before the Oz ratings board seems to have no problem with violence its just boobs they get upset at. Also think you can get full on horror without full on gore, the sound sequence i heard[spoiler] had several people screaming one of them definatly saying "get it out get it out" and another screaming as something sounded like it was violating him in some way, also latest teaser show some particularly nasty lovcraftian goings on including what appears to be oral tentacle rape[/spoiler], so I'm just saying i think this might be a rather intense movie. :)
CU Radbacker
New poster... looks good, could be little spolier for people that not see the trailer?
(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/g/gorgeous-new-prometheus-poster-online-now-103157-470-75.jpg)
That's a terrible poster.. looks like they're trying to make it out to be an action flick or something....
Quote from: Goaty on 17 May, 2012, 05:04:04 PM
New poster... looks good, could be little spolier for people that not see the trailer?
(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/g/gorgeous-new-prometheus-poster-online-now-103157-470-75.jpg)
That's shit. Really shit.
Beginning to feel like I've gorged on promo material for this film, and I haven't even been trying that hard. It's putting me off now.
Quote from: Buddy on 17 May, 2012, 05:41:23 PM
That's a terrible poster.. looks like they're trying to make it out to be an action flick or something....
I expect that's exactly what they're trying to do - to the average man on the street a sci fi action blockbuster probably sounds more appealing than a claustrophobic Alien prequel with no Aliens in it.
They know the majority of Sci Fi fans will be 'in the know' and will go to see it anyway.
They'll be after a big opening weekend and then it'll probably rely on word of mouth.
Why do people in modern film posters completely refuse to acknowledge huge explodey things going on in the background?
They should at least look a bit flinchy.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 18 May, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
Why do people in modern film posters completely refuse to acknowledge huge explodey things going on in the background?
They should at least look a bit flinchy.
'Tis the beauty of Photoshop cut 'n' paste, yo!
I'm not keen on that poster for several reasons. For one thing, I wish the promo material would STOP with the spoiler heavy stuff. There's quite a few plot spoilers / reveals spread across all the stuff that's already out there.
I have to say, I am SIGNIFICANTLY less interested in this movie now as a result. I may not even bother withthe cinema screening at all.
Quote from: HdE on 18 May, 2012, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 18 May, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
Why do people in modern film posters completely refuse to acknowledge huge explodey things going on in the background?
They should at least look a bit flinchy.
'Tis the beauty of Photoshop cut 'n' paste, yo!
I'm not keen on that poster for several reasons. For one thing, I wish the promo material would STOP with the spoiler heavy stuff. There's quite a few plot spoilers / reveals spread across all the stuff that's already out there.
I have to say, I am SIGNIFICANTLY less interested in this movie now as a result. I may not even bother withthe cinema screening at all.
Oh yes, due to the poor quality of this poster I refuse to see this film :crazy:
It's is a poor poster but no worse than all of the Marvel movie ones and it has failed to dampen my desire to see the film in June.
Just saw the trailer again on TV, the special effects looks amazing, and looks dark, cant wait to see it out in few weeks (6th June) as my birthday on 9th, very exciting...
HOPE SO that Dredd trailer maybe with the Prometheus?
Just in case you don't have enough spoilerage. Fassbender finds his Wang in a jar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L7vY5xIIi8U
Quote from: dweezil2 on 18 May, 2012, 10:30:32 PM
Oh yes, due to the poor quality of this poster I refuse to see this film :crazy:
Now now - that's a little uncalled for. ;)
The poster in and of itself isn't a terrible problem (although it DOES contain the sort of story info that's best left out of these things). But the sheer amount of stuff that's being leaked and opened up to speculation is getting a bit silly. I mean, what's the point of keeping the movie's content under such tight wraps if they're going to show us material that indicates WHO DIES IN THE MOVIE, for one thing? Or the new alien designs? or major plot developments?
Let this stuff slip, and there's a serious risk of engendering a feeling of 'Muh. Bored now' among the intended audience.
Quote from: Goaty on 19 May, 2012, 12:31:08 AM
Just saw the trailer again on TV, the special effects looks amazing, and looks dark, cant wait to see it out in few weeks (6th June) as my birthday on 9th, very exciting...
HOPE SO that Dredd trailer maybe with the Prometheus?
I'm with you. Prometheus looks absolutely fantastic. Alien fans will love it I'm sure (given that the predator crossovers have watered the franchise down to painfully weak levels) and I for one will be queuing for a viewing. Dredd trailer would be a nice bonus too.
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Quote from: HdE on 19 May, 2012, 03:31:54 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 18 May, 2012, 10:30:32 PM
Oh yes, due to the poor quality of this poster I refuse to see this film :crazy:
Now now - that's a little uncalled for. ;)
The poster in and of itself isn't a terrible problem (although it DOES contain the sort of story info that's best left out of these things). But the sheer amount of stuff that's being leaked and opened up to speculation is getting a bit silly. I mean, what's the point of keeping the movie's content under such tight wraps if they're going to show us material that indicates WHO DIES IN THE MOVIE, for one thing? Or the new alien designs? or major plot developments?
Let this stuff slip, and there's a serious risk of engendering a feeling of 'Muh. Bored now' among the intended audience.
Ha, ha, ha! I was only being facetous, no insult intended. :).
Regarding all the seemingly spoilerific publicity doing the rounds-just do what I do and don't read it or watch it. Having said that, I'm sure there's a lot of suprises that won't be revealed until one actually watches the film.
What have seen so far? A total of four minutes tops of footage from a two hour movie? There's lots to learn and experience yet.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 19 May, 2012, 11:46:07 AM
Ha, ha, ha! I was only being facetous, no insult intended. :).
Heh - no worries, buddy, and I got that - hence my use of the winky-wink smiley!
Yeah I'm really looking forward to this! The trailers look promising.
One thing though... I really wish they they hadn't resorted to using some idiot waving his hands in front of holographic computer monitors... moving windows around and what have you. It's kind of being played to death a bit now. In 10 years time we'll all be laughing at it. :lol:
Scott is still riffing on Mario Bava's Planet of the Vampires for his Alien films:
In the near future the two spaceships Argos and Galliot are sent to investigate the mysterious planet Aura. As the Galliot lands on the planet her crew suddenly go berserk and attack each other. The strange event passes, but the crew soon discovers the crashed Argos - and learns that her crew died fighting each other! Investigating further, the explorers come to realize the existence of a race of bodiless aliens that seek to escape from their dying world.
(http://cinemart-online.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/planetvampires3-565x285.jpg)
(http://livingwithanerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/planetvampires.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-atbOg8NzpCg/TibXftZCI8I/AAAAAAAADWQ/HR66uXMgZF4/s1600/planet+of+vampires+readings.jpg)
(http://horrorcultfilms.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/prom4.jpg)
(http://www.projetocinema.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/prometheus-charlize-theron-image1.jpg)
(http://media.gizmodo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/PromSuits.jpg)
The crew of spacehip Galliot explore a derelict alien vessel and discover the giant skeletal remains of an alien crew:
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b300/spacemonkey_fg/Blog%20Pictures/Planet18.jpg)
(http://cinemart-online.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/planet-of-the-vampires-still-565x307.jpg)
Is this a Chevy backlight with giant Alien head?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3608/3595411567_a0e09b091a.jpg)
(http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/grandmst2000/imgs/b/5/b58741cc.png)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UtWX0YR1SJw/T1E9fOxThII/AAAAAAAAsmc/XTvlMiAUFeU/s400/MARIO%2BPLANET%2BOF%2BVAMPIRES.jpg)
and Russian Sci-Fi film Planet of the Storms directed by Paul Klushantsev:
Cosmonauts land on the planet Venus. However, they find themselves in danger from the voracious monsters they find on it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056352/
(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9279/spacesuitcomp1.jpg)
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5963/spacesuitcomp2.jpg)
Soviet BTR-70 troop transport & Prometheus vehicle:
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4626/vehiclecomparison.jpg)
Plagiarism is the best form of flattery so they say ;)
Is it safe to come on here, anything spoilery on show? No? Good.
Just over a week to go now isnt it? Itll be here before we know it!
Yea, should be a belter.
Gotta get the full Imaxsurroundsoundleatherupholsteryupgradefootlongdog&bucket'o'popcorn experience to do it justice though.
It'll be a must have for the dvd collection but to miss it at the cinema would be a real shame imo.
That Russian military vehicle would look good in Dredd .... Make it so! (CGI out the white van and use this instead) .
Quote from: dracula1 on 26 May, 2012, 08:58:29 PM
That Russian military vehicle would look good in Dredd .... Make it so! (CGI out the white van and use this instead) .
Definately use them instead of the 4x4s they got in the parking lot.
Very weird billboard.. thought the human head statue was inside...?
(http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/7b946982a36411e1a39b1231381b7ba1_7.jpg)
In all fairness you could just as easily say that Russian film had ripped its look off Alien, which Prometheus is visually following.
Quote from: James Stacey on 30 May, 2012, 09:05:06 AM
In all fairness you could just as easily say that Russian film had ripped its look off Alien, which Prometheus is visually following.
In fairness, I wasn't aware the crew of
Alien chronologically-back-flipped before
1962- when the Sovs made
Planeta Bur -Planet of Storms.
Ho ho. Very good point sir ;D
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Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 May, 2012, 11:26:16 AM
Quote from: James Stacey on 30 May, 2012, 09:05:06 AM
In all fairness you could just as easily say that Russian film had ripped its look off Alien, which Prometheus is visually following.
In fairness, I wasn't aware the crew of Alien chronologically-back-flipped before 1962- when the Sovs made Planeta Bur -Planet of Storms.
touché
Joined a posse of nerds going to see this next Friday!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 May, 2012, 11:26:16 AM
Quote from: James Stacey on 30 May, 2012, 09:05:06 AM
In all fairness you could just as easily say that Russian film had ripped its look off Alien, which Prometheus is visually following.
In fairness, I wasn't aware the crew of Alien chronologically-back-flipped before 1962- when the Sovs made Planeta Bur -Planet of Storms.
See! Proof that time travel does exist! :o
My Prometheus cinema partner has unfortunately just gone on holiday for a fortnight, so I've got to wait before I can see it. On the plus side, I'm having an 8 hour tattoo session on my back tomorrow - there's no way I would be able to sit still in a cinema seat after that, so it's probably just as well my pal ain't around! :D
Early reactions are starting to trickle in across the interwebz. So far, early signs are good.
Critical reaction seesm to be waffly, useless, and a bit sniffy. Which is most likely a sign that the film is great.
Quote from: HdE on 30 May, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
Early reactions are starting to trickle in across the interwebz. So far, early signs are good.
Critical reaction seesm to be waffly, useless, and a bit sniffy. Which is most likely a sign that the film is great.
The only opinions I'll take to the bank are those of y'all on the forum here, and when giving your considered opining on the movie, for pity's sake, be as liberal as possible - five words I NEVER thought I'd say - with the spoiler blocks please... I'll say this straight out though, if the Space Jockey turns out to be Keyser Soze, I'm walking out right there...
Quote from: HdE on 30 May, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
Early reactions are starting to trickle in across the interwebz. So far, early signs are good.
Critical reaction seesm to be waffly, useless, and a bit sniffy. Which is most likely a sign that the film is great.
Not according to the 'Empire' review - http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119 - they basically take a rubber hose to it, and then give it a kicking for good measure...
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 31 May, 2012, 07:45:30 AM
Not according to the 'Empire' review - http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119 - they basically take a rubber hose to it, and then give it a kicking for good measure...
Ha, they gave t
he Phantom Menace 3 stars too. So are they saying Prometheus is as bad a it or did Scott not pay his shill bill?
It is a latter-day Ridley Scott film so it wouldn't surprise me if it's not the great shaekes people have built up in their heads.
That Empire review actually seems refreshingly honest and not the gushing reverence of old. Highlights a lot of the same problems Scott has had in many of his films.
Next up: Blade Runner II - Unicorns Get Angry.
Quote from: HdE on 30 May, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
Early reactions are starting to trickle in across the interwebz. So far, early signs are good.
Critical reaction seesm to be waffly, useless, and a bit sniffy. Which is most likely a sign that the film is great.
Isn't it more likely that it's just a massively overhyped, ultimately mediocre film by a director who has spent the last 20 years making largely mediocre films?
To me the enormous budget for the film and the apparent focus on spectacle betrayed a lack of confidence by the filmmakers - if they had genuinely great ideas then they would have been able to deliver a thrilling film on a third of what this film cost.
People built this up waaaaay too much - hopefully the lukewarm reviews will lower people's expectations to a realistic level so they can actually enjoy it.
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 31 May, 2012, 07:45:30 AM
Quote from: HdE on 30 May, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
Early reactions are starting to trickle in across the interwebz. So far, early signs are good.
Critical reaction seesm to be waffly, useless, and a bit sniffy. Which is most likely a sign that the film is great.
Not according to the 'Empire' review - http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119 - they basically take a rubber hose to it, and then give it a kicking for good measure...
I can't remember the last time I paid any attention to an Empire review. They gave The Hunger Games a 4 star rating and the film's a pile the also gave the far inferior Sherlock Holmes sequel 4 stars.
It's very fashionable to bash Scott, as it was Kubrick years before, so I don't pay attention to those dissenting voices either.
I'll be making up my own mind when I see it at the London IMAX tomorrow. But yes it's very likely it will live up to expection. How could it? It's Scott revisiting the Alien franchise after 30 years-the weight of expectation is just too great. However if it's worse than those deplorable AvP movies I will be very, very suprised.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 31 May, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
It's very fashionable to bash Scott, as it was Kubrick years before
Is it fashionable? Judging by every forum and media interview the opposite is true, it's like he could do no wrong, so there's nothing wrong with pointing out his
misses amid the flurry of hype and bombast.
Kubrick was bashed cos he made a bad last film not for his older track record which tends to be mostly praised. They aren't particularly comparable anyway.
I'll see it anyway, out of curiousity, but it'd be better if films weren't prostituted so intensely, expensively and as if it's the second coming, especially when they fail to deliver on that promise.
QuoteIs it fashionable? Judging by every forum and media interview the opposite is true, it's like he could do no wrong, so there's nothing wrong with pointing out his misses amid the flurry of hype and bombast.
Totally agree - I even got attacked by a friend of a friend on facebook for daring to suggest that Scott hadn't made a decent film in years. It's like people have selective amnesia with the guy. I'll freely admit that I've got a bee in my bonnet about this film - but that's due to the gushing praise, towering expectations and borderline obnoxious marketing push it's receiving.
Imo, Scott suddenly deciding to revisit his two biggest past glories 30+ years later suggests either a lack of confidence in his ability to come up with something new - or more likely an increasing struggle to get his new projects financed, as he hasn't had a solid hit since Gladiator - neither of which is a good basis to make a cinematic masterpiece.
Quoteif it's worse than those deplorable AvP movies I will be very, very suprised.
I don't think anyone's saying this is the new Phantom Menace - but I'd be amazed if it's anything other than workmanlike and ultimately a bit forgettable.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 31 May, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 31 May, 2012, 07:45:30 AM
Quote from: HdE on 30 May, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
Early reactions are starting to trickle in across the interwebz. So far, early signs are good.
Critical reaction seesm to be waffly, useless, and a bit sniffy. Which is most likely a sign that the film is great.
Not according to the 'Empire' review - http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119 - they basically take a rubber hose to it, and then give it a kicking for good measure...
I can't remember the last time I paid any attention to an Empire review. They gave The Hunger Games a 4 star rating and the film's a pile the also gave the far inferior Sherlock Holmes sequel 4 stars.
It's very fashionable to bash Scott, as it was Kubrick years before, so I don't pay attention to those dissenting voices either.
I'll be making up my own mind when I see it at the London IMAX tomorrow. But yes it's very likely it will live up to expection. How could it? It's Scott revisiting the Alien franchise after 30 years-the weight of expectation is just too great. However if it's worse than those deplorable AvP movies I will be very, very suprised.
Damn typo! Of course I meant it's very "unlikely" that it will live up to expectation. Doh!
My Scott/Kubrick comparison was based on their creation of seminal movies and their influence, longevity and standing in the business. Also the accusation by many that their movies are concerned with aesthetic perfection over narratice and humanity.
A big perk (sometimes) of being a Projectionist is having to run a film through before the public sees it.
Its an even bigger perk when its a film you've been dying to see.
So this morning saw me all alone in a 350-seat auditorium, being paid to watch "Prometheus" - what could be bad about that eh?
Sadly, the film.
It starts well and looks terrific - although setting it only 80 years from now is a BIG mistake. No way will we have technology that advanced by then.
The Prometheus ship itself is excellent and i'll be buying the inevitable kit, and the interiors are very close to the Nostromo's, tying both films together there. I can buy a prequels technology being better than the film that follows as the prequels ship is a state of the art craft while Alien's is a beat-up tug.
So far, so good then.
The film unfolds at a nice sedate pace, again similar to Alien, there's a few lines that are near indentical from Alien & Aliens, which i'm surprised at Ridely for doing and up to the half-way point i was really rather enjoying it.
But, when it all starts to kick off, something so absurd and so unbelievable happens that i was taken right out of the film with a real "whaaaat??????" moment. Its totally ludicrous and the film suffers from that moment on because of it, as you're reminded of it in pretty every scene from then on.
That'd be bad enough, but then we start to get explanations.
For everything.
The whole point of calling Alien "Alien" was because of the mystery and how what they encounter is so Alien to us.
Well now its not.
This is spoiler-free, so i can't say why, but every reason and every explanation reduces the established continuity down to some dumb-ass, cliched crappy seen it all before type of SF film.
Just the same way the Thing reboot was.
We also get along the way, almost word for word dialogue from the first 2 films, characters stolen from the first 2 films, scenes lifted from the first 2 films.
And the new creature designs...
Those in Alien and Aliens are truly worthy of being called classic and iconic.
These are not.
Again, i refer you to the Thing reboot.
Such, such a shame.
The whole thing comes across not so much in the style of Alien, its much more Sunshine mixed heavily with Mission To Mars.
Such a shame.
If Alien is a 10 (which it is) then Aliens is a 9. And this is a 6.
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Early reactions are starting to trickle in across the interwebz. So far, early signs are good.
Critical reaction seesm to be waffly, useless, and a bit sniffy. Which is most likely a sign that the film is great.
Not according to the 'Empire' review - http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119 - they basically take a rubber hose to it, and then give it a kicking for good measure...
I can't remember the last time I paid any attention to an Empire review. They gave The Hunger Games a 4 star rating and the film's a pile the also gave the far inferior Sherlock Holmes sequel 4 stars.
It's very fashionable to bash Scott, as it was Kubrick years before, so I don't pay attention to those dissenting voices either.
I'll be making up my own mind when I see it at the London IMAX tomorrow. But yes it's very likely it will live up to expection. How could it? It's Scott revisiting the Alien franchise after 30 years-the weight of expectation is just too great. However if it's worse than those deplorable AvP movies I will be very, very suprised.
Damn typo! Of course I meant it's very "unlikely" that it will live up to expectation. Doh!
My Scott/Kubrick comparison was based on their creation of seminal movies and their influence, longevity and standing in the business. Also the accusation by many that their movies are concerned with aesthetic perfection over narratice and humanity.
For me, the trouble with that Empire review is the snidey arrogance of the reviewer. He obviously thinks it's very clever to make a non-point about the fact that the Space Jockey is referred to as an Engineer in this film, as every time he refers to the Space Jockey he then suffixes it with '..sorry Engineer'.
What's the big fucking deal with them calling it an Engineer? It makes more sense than 'Space Jockey' anyway. He then piles on the derision by saying 'Exoskeleton - sorry space suit' it colours the whole review and makes it sound like the pinickity rantings of an utter twat.
Other than that about 80% of his criticism of the film seems to be that it isn't 'Alien'. Believe it or not, you cock, some of the audience won't have even seen 'Alien' and won't compere every character and scene in this to what came before - why not watch it on it's own terms firstly and then on a secondary level judge it on how well you think it fits in and makes sense when viewed as part of the Alien franchise.
This is why I don't read Empire. I may well watch the film and leave the cinema disappointed but it certainly won't be because the fucking 'Space Jockey' is now called an 'Engineer'. >:(
Every lukewarm review of this seems to attract rafts of comments like this - rejection of the critic's opinion to outright hostility and personal attacks.
Seems a bit extreme.
Sorry rad............
Top post there, JamesC. My thoughts exactly.
Refreshingly honest, Joe? ::)
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Sorry, just think it's hilarious and a little sad that people are trying to tell critics their opinions of the film are 'wrong', whilst personally attacking them for daring to give an honest opinion - and leap to the defence of the film that they haven't actually seen themselves yet.
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Sorry, just think it's hilarious and a little sad that people are trying to tell critics their opinions of the film are 'wrong', whilst personally attacking them for daring to give an honest opinion - and leap to the defence of the film that they haven't actually seen themselves yet.
Indeed. May it just be possible that, gulp, the movie is just average? Just like, as was pointed out earlier, almost everything else Scott (A director I like a lot) has done?
Quote from: radiator on 31 May, 2012, 05:42:26 PM
Every lukewarm review of this seems to attract rafts of comments like this - rejection of the critic's opinion to outright hostility and personal attacks.
Seems a bit extreme.
But my attack on the critic isn't based on his star rating of the film but on his frankly unfair style of reviewing. i have no particular loyalty to Scott or the Alien franchise or to Sci-Fi films as a genre - I'll watch the film and judge it on it's own merits according to my own opinion.
To the readers of Empire though, of which there are many, this reviewer is doing a disservice. His review is explicitly written in a way that assumes familiarity with 'Alien' (even though Scott has said this isn't a prequel it just shares a universe) and many of his criticisms come from direct comparison to 'Alien'. So what if you haven't seen 'Alien'? Saying 'it isn't as good as 'Alien' is no use whatsoever if you haven't seen 'Alien'.
The other thing is this repetition of '....sorry Engineer' which sets up the very name of one of the important creatures in the film as being somehow 'wrong'. Why is it wrong? and why does he have to repeat the point? This is totally unfair.
To me this is just a very poor review.
I'm sorry if you think that my attack on the reviewer is somehow a retaliation for him slighting the good name of this film - it isn't, I just think that reviews should be fair.
Quote from: radiator on 31 May, 2012, 06:06:26 PM
Sorry, just think it's hilarious and a little sad that people are trying to tell critics their opinions of the film are 'wrong', whilst personally attacking them for daring to give an honest opinion - and leap to the defence of the film that they haven't actually seen themselves yet.
Sorry to double post but hopefully you'll read my explanation above and won't think I'm sad anymore! :(
I get more than a little tired of the critics to be honest. The reviews I read seem more about showing off the enormous vocabulary of the reviewer and displaying their obviously superior status than about actual summary and critique of the piece.
Read the Tony Parsons lampoon in Viz for a perfect summary of how I see critics! ;)
I can't wait to see the movie despite the haters moving in for the kill :D
Sorry James I didn't mean to single you out, but I've seen a few reviews for Prometheus today, and as I say, they've all been bombarded with comments of people lashing out and generally responding as if they have been somehow offended by the review on a personal level.
Regarding the whole state of some of the negative reviews and other feedback I've been seeing:
I'll say this up front. I've written critical reviews of anime for the AUKN website for the last year or so. As I've dealt with an art form I really enjoy, I've tried to take a respnsible, even-handed approach in my reviews.
I personally take great issue with reviews that are written with a sarcastic tone that aim to poke malicious fun. They aren't helpful. They don't inform readers. And they divert attention from the subject itself to the reviewer.
I've read a couple of utterly asinine reviews of Prometheus already, and it's clear that the negativity brigade can't make up their mind whether the movie is too much or not enough like Alien - a silly point to fixate on given that there's been a concerted effort to state ahead of time what this movie's relationship to that movie would be.
I am tired - SO tired - of reading reviews penned by critics who are preoccupied with demonstrating their own flowery word-smithing and voicing mealy-mouthed, nitpicky criticism. There isn't a SINGLE negative review of Prometheus that I've read that hasn't had me groaning over the way it's written. No exaggeration.
Very simply, critics may have issues with this movie, but by and large, those who have seen it and commented on it have effusive praise for it.
Now, my personal opinion (as someone yet to see the movie) is that the movie has been mishandled from a marketing / publicity perspective. Quite badly. Ridley Scott's interviews have promised grandiose things that it would, to be blunt, require a MIRACLE to pull off. The run up to the movie's release has let slip some stuff that would have had FAR more impact had it been left for us to see for the first time in the cinema.
But we've seen enough to know it will be fun. And, as fans of the Alien universe, it's almost inevitable that we'll get more from the movie than Joe Media Critic.
Ignore negativity. Go see the movie.
Well said that droid :)
Oh come on - 'haters', 'negativity brigade'... really?
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Refreshingly honest, Joe? ::)
Yep, cos most fan-boys and the media were almost bowing in Ridley's presence amid the hype this past year while indiscriminately ignoring his blindspots. I don't expect Prometheus to be an Alien film -they literally told us so by not callng it Alien: the Beginning but again confused many by using the tropes of
Alien(s) past in advertising- and I don't expect it to be a ground-breaking piece of work; it'll likely be a mongrel of unused Alien ideas with high-end aesthetics.
While we may not like the
tone the Empire reviewer adopts, the crux of it I expect is true -true to recent form- which is so much better than
OMG Ridley's a genius, you must see which has been most of what we've been hearing from the mass media since pictures and trailers popped up.
So yeah, refreshingly honest, but yeah, also reactionary, because it seems the film didn't deliver on what it
heavily promotes.
I'm sure I'll find out soon enough.
The evil HIPSTER ELITIST CONSPIRACY strikes again.
Quote from: radiator on 31 May, 2012, 06:57:13 PM
Oh come on - 'haters', 'negativity brigade'... really?
Yes, really.
A film like Prometheus was always gonna be big news. With those sorts of movie inevitably comes the mob of folks who are going to knock it because it's the cool thing to do.
I got no problem with anyone who sees the movie and doesn't like it. I've just got a problem with the aforementioned sneering sarcasm of certain pundits, and folks who think it's somehow big and clever to rain on the collective parade of eager fans who have awaited the movie all this time.
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Oh come on - 'haters', 'negativity brigade'... really?
Yes, really.
A film like Prometheus was always gonna be big news. With those sorts of movie inevitably comes the mob of folks who are going to knock it because it's the cool thing to do.
Nah, not buyin' it. Those same critics would've praised it if a better film had been delivered. It's not like they purposefully set out to destroy Prometheus, if anything the media buzz around it was positive until today.
Den of Geek even gave it a fairly bad review:
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/21531/prometheus-review
I think the general consensual seems to be that it's just fairly good or alright/nothing special - hardly a conspiracy of mean party poopers deliberately giving it scathing reviews.
Consensual - hah! Oh the joy of iPhone's auto-correct.
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Consensual - hah! Oh the joy of iPhone's auto-correct.
Well at least now no one can use the word "rape" in the reviews ;)
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Oh come on - 'haters', 'negativity brigade'... really?
Yes, really.
A film like Prometheus was always gonna be big news. With those sorts of movie inevitably comes the mob of folks who are going to knock it because it's the cool thing to do.
I got no problem with anyone who sees the movie and doesn't like it. I've just got a problem with the aforementioned sneering sarcasm of certain pundits, and folks who think it's somehow big and clever to rain on the collective parade of eager fans who have awaited the movie all this time.
It sounds like you have spent and will continue spend far more time thinking about this stuff than any of the evil elitist critics will.
I like how an unwelcome opinion is a symptom of conspiracy. That's certainly a rational way to rebuke an argument.
I will not be going to see this, but that's because I am bored with 3d and would rather watch it with a decently-lit picture, not because the cabal of haters who are no doubt in league with pirates and child molesters have organised themselves to better disseminate hatred of this film because they have literally nothing better to do with their lives.
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Isn't it more likely that it's just a massively overhyped, ultimately mediocre film by a director who has spent the last 20 years making largely mediocre films?
To me the enormous budget for the film and the apparent focus on spectacle betrayed a lack of confidence by the filmmakers - if they had genuinely great ideas then they would have been able to deliver a thrilling film on a third of what this film cost.
I agree with that assessment of Sir Ridley's outpost the last two decades (despite having a real soft spot for
1492: Conquest of Paradise, an underrated gem in my opinion), but I thought
Kingdom of Heaven was a remarkable and accomplished piece of epic filmmaking, well, the full 194-minute (overture and intermission included) was...
With all the reviews mostly in, it appears that Prometheus is a visually stunning and thoroughly entertaining movie, but that's about it, and it unfortunately promised so much more, I'm starting to think my initial instinct about this film has proven to be accurate, in that it was a story that simply didn't have enough ideas or meat on the bones to justify it's telling, and is little more than an attempt to justify the extension of a franchise (especially the utter gall of holding things back for a potential sequel) that's been done since 1992, but like it's lead character (Ripley or the Alien, take your pick), has proven nearly impossible to kill off completely...
Nah, not buyin' it. Those same critics would've praised it if a better film had been delivered. It's not like they purposefully set out to destroy Prometheus, if anything the media buzz around it was positive until today.
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I don't know about that. There can be a tendency to criticise a movie because it is cooler to do so.
'The uneducated audience like it but us reviewers know more than them and so we say the polar opposite to the herd' type attitude.
Different genre admittedly but I am a fan of Ian Brown and have seen him many many times. Without exception his gigs have been entertaining and the crowd have lapped it up. Without exception the reviews I have read have been damning and sometimes hostile. So I agree that there can be a tendency to knock just coz it's provocative to do so.
Not all critics I must add, are guilty of this. But certainly some are.
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Nah, not buyin' it. Those same critics would've praised it if a better film had been delivered. It's not like they purposefully set out to destroy Prometheus, if anything the media buzz around it was positive until today.
I don't know about that. There can be a tendency to criticise a movie because it is cooler to do so.
'The uneducated audience like it but us reviewers know more than them and so we say the polar opposite to the herd' type attitude.
Different genre admittedly but I am a fan of Ian Brown and have seen him many many times. Without exception his gigs have been entertaining and the crowd have lapped it up. Without exception the reviews I have read have been damning and sometimes hostile. So I agree that there can be a tendency to knock just coz it's provocative to do so.
Not all critics I must add, are guilty of this. But certainly some are.
but not on some
collective level which is what the notion of
doing it cos it's cool suggests.
Most of the reviews I've read have mostly been highlighting its story and character problems while saying it all looks nice - that's not so pretentious, is it? A reviewers job is to review the film and at an average of 2 hours duration for most films if they don't manage to compel or entertain for most of that, it's not doing its job and that is what many reviewers are saying, not
Ridley Scott is shite.
Some individuals may have a slant towards a certain film-maker that's negative but that's not about being
cool, that's about opinion.
Quote from: KingMonkeysUnkle on 01 June, 2012, 10:50:41 AMDifferent genre admittedly but I am a fan of Ian Brown and have seen him many many times. Without exception his gigs have been entertaining and the crowd have lapped it up. Without exception the reviews I have read have been damning and sometimes hostile. So I agree that there can be a tendency to knock just coz it's provocative to do so.
Now though, I love the Stone Roses and I've seen Ian Brown a few times and I have a kind of "Ooh Ian, you daft beggar!" affection for the silly sod but he is, without exception, the worst, most out of tune singer I have ever seen live. Almost painful to listen to. I can forgive him to a certain extent because he's Ian Brown, but if I had no desire to be generous to the man, I'd say he was shit live.
Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion, some people might like Prometheus, others might not. I doubt that most people will decide not to go see it based on one review.
It's all a rich tapestry etc.
Yea, it would be nice to think that us informed, smart and generally top 2000ad readers are not weak enough of mind to sack going to see the movie just because somebody else didnt enjoy it that much.
Nothing shall stop me, except perhaps an argument with a double decker bus at high speed or an invite to take Kelly Brook out for tea and buns!
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Three stars out of five (or six out often as you will) means "good" in Empire ratings. And he's qualified that by saying what he doesn't like about it that held it back from being marked higher.
One problem is that these days some people think an average film/game deserves 7 out of 10 and get peed off if they don't get a 9 or 10 for something they are looking forward to.
And don't get me started on the extra two stars people automatically give anything Star Wars related.
I'll be skipping this because a) Ridley has a track record of disappointing me. b) reviews don't seem to be convincing me otherwise.
Saw it last night. Despite a very impressive beginning, I was bit disappointed, really. It looks superb, some beautiful (and beautifully grotesque) imagery, and good, solid SF ideas on show, but the human element was lacking. I really didn't like or care about any of the characters, many of the actors were terribly wooden or just plain irritating (Charlize Theron!!) and the whole thing was an awful muddle. However, there were some nice little touches/moments included; Chopin playing while David tends to the sleeping crew, David watching Lawrence of Arabia and dying his hair - that's it, really.
I don't think it's getting a slating per say. It's more like a balanced argument of the existence of such a piece of work.
The orchestra got a real good scouring down from the guardian. I'm thinking it's gonna be too much for some clanky British cinemas and too overwhelming for the piece to be seen as an over all prequel. The stark track from Alien seems to have been utterly disposed of.
I still reckon it's not as indecipherable as some would have us believe. There is muddle but in entertaining spectacles of this size, when isn't there? If you weren't as familiar with all the characters in Avengers Assemble that may have come across as muddled as Transformers 3.
Quote from: George Dread on 01 June, 2012, 02:56:35 PMI still reckon it's not as indecipherable as some would have us believe.
I don't think anyone said it was
indecipherable but more a mess of undeveloped characters and ideas leaving nothing worth
deciphering.
Metro gives the film 4 stars :-)
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Quote from: George Dread on 01 June, 2012, 02:56:35 PMI still reckon it's not as indecipherable as some would have us believe.
I don't think anyone said it was indecipherable but more a mess of undeveloped characters and ideas leaving nothing worth deciphering.
Okay. Thanks for correcting me. Or expanding on the problems people are having with the film. Hopefully we'll all be able to make up our own mind ultimately.
Yeah - audience has to be the judge, ultimately.
One thing I will say, though, is that I've seen a lot of movies labelled as 'muddled' and 'confusing', or some variant of those terms, and they've proved to be anything but.
Will be going to see the movie sometime over the weekend if I can swing it. we've got visitors descending on us tomorrow, so I'll be grateful of an opportunity to get out of the house.
Yeah. It's like THAT. :-\
Going to a late showing tonight. Whoop woop
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Refreshingly honest, Joe? ::)
Yep, cos most fan-boys and the media were almost bowing in Ridley's presence amid the hype this past year while indiscriminately ignoring his blindspots. I don't expect Prometheus to be an Alien film -they literally told us so by not callng it Alien: the Beginning but again confused many by using the tropes of Alien(s) past in advertising- and I don't expect it to be a ground-breaking piece of work; it'll likely be a mongrel of unused Alien ideas with high-end aesthetics.
While we may not like the tone the Empire reviewer adopts, the crux of it I expect is true -true to recent form- which is so much better than OMG Ridley's a genius, you must see which has been most of what we've been hearing from the mass media since pictures and trailers popped up.
So yeah, refreshingly honest, but yeah, also reactionary, because it seems the film didn't deliver on what it heavily promotes.
I'm sure I'll find out soon enough.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree about that particular review.
Piss poor and petty would be my take on it. There are better bad reviews out there now, thats for sure ;)
I take your point to a degree regarding the hype surrounding this film, but if any film was going to be hyped this year then it was this. I can see how people that are not especially fussed about Prometheus would get irritated by the promotion monster, and i myself called time out on it because it was getting
way too spoilertastic. But in regards to it being pushed as the next best thing since sliced bread, and that Ridley is god, well thats just sales pitch surely? . Since when did we swallow all that crap? And i dont think anyone on here, or on other forums ive been on, have pushed that line either. Im not expecting to have my mind blown, just want it to be a decent sci-fi film, and i dont think thats me settling for 2nd best either, because Alien itself is a b-movie at heart.
We'll just have to watch it to see i guess. And thatll hopefully be tonight.
QuoteSince when did we swallow all that crap? And i dont think anyone on here, or on other forums ive been on, have pushed that line either.
Really? There have been loads of people here and elsewhere proclaiming that this will be the movie of the year!
Saw it today, without reading any reviews, and muddled was my main impression, so yay reviewers! it would seem.
Looks lovely, great 70s sci-fi design (loving the glowing visored helmet that David wears), but muddled really nails it...
It starts well enough, but then seems to feel the need to add some almost random alieny threats and corporation shenanigans seemingly because thats what should happen in an Alien (based) movie. If they'd rejigged the main plot to simplify the threat[spoiler] (waking the engineer earlier)[/spoiler] and crucially, the source of threats, [spoiler](the awoken engineer being the cause)[/spoiler]it could have been a great movie, but muddled sums it up for me
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But in regards to it being pushed as the next best thing since sliced bread, and that Ridley is god, well thats just sales pitch surely? . Since when did we swallow all that crap? And i dont think anyone on here, or on other forums ive been on, have pushed that line either. Im not expecting to have my mind blown, just want it to be a decent sci-fi film, and i dont think thats me settling for 2nd best either, because Alien itself is a b-movie at heart.
It's sales pitch and it's fans, but of course it's all nonsense and yes Alien is a B-film at heart but a B-film with great pacing, design and pitch-perfect perfomances made with a decent budget so that makes it an A-film in my book.
I've seen Prometheus and while I wouldn't say it's a bad film
per se, it's not a good film either. Mostly because the script hasn't been fully worked out. The whole first act should have been binned and started with them all ready in deep space; the pacing is bad. There's too many characters, too much set-up/change of setting and characters just won't shut up talking for five minutes. It'd work if the dialogue was well written but it's cringe-inducing most of the time and delivered woodenly.
The film works best when no one's talking and there's some exploration and intrigue going on i.e. [spoiler]David exploring the Alien ship alone etc.[/spoiler] Many of David's scenes are great, the [spoiler]begininng with him tending to the ship and the cryo-chambers[/spoiler] is a great idea but wasted because of bad pacing and a hurriedness that renders it a waste of character and a chance to know the setting. This type of scene was brilliantly portrayed and elegantly paced in Alien when the characters are waking from their slumber, here it just seems obligatory and a waste. It would have been better to ditch the early earth based stuff and stay with the ship and tell the story there, the pacing is completely thrown by too many settings and the rush to set everyone up.
The film picks up in the second act when the horror begins but characters whom we don't even get to know are dispatched with ease and this happens so frequently from then on till the end that most characters have no reason the be in the film apart from the amount of kills they needed to fill-up the running time. [spoiler]Theron's character ends up having absolutely no reason to be in the film since David fulfills most of her duties[/spoiler].
Spoiling the mythology of the Space-Jokeys didn't bother me in the slightest and the parts when they're around with their Lovecraftian off-spring are the very best. Prometheus is more a B-film than the original Alien, there's a ton of ideas and twists in there, which, if they'd had more time could've been ironed out and made more dramatic but instead it feels like they were just hitting incident beats Lucas-style, no drama, no tension.
There's a good few anti-climaxes thrown in at the end that they thought probably looked great on paper and couldn't bear to cut-out so they threw 'em all in to crowd please. The final twist is a bit of a howler that really shows-up the [spoiler]confusion/contradiction as to what this film was struggling not to identify itself as but felt guilty for not being
that thing so they threw it in anyway just in case.[/spoiler]
Having said that it looks spectacular and apart from things like the ship looking overly cluttered with industrial design objects everthing looks great. Once it gets passed the first act and ditches the most annoying characters it moves at a better, more measured pace, and it's best not to think about it too much even though it pretends to be profound. There's too little horror, too little character and too much pseudo-science/faith-based wafflin' goin' on to serve either of these things well.
The 3D is wasted. Prometheus benefits not one jot from 3D, in fact it damages the viewing experience because of the diminished light and lost detail. It also seems Scott made no effort to get anything out of it. No long takes with deep movement or good tracking shots that would make it worthwhile. Don't see why they bothered shooting it in 3D at all.
I absolutely adore Alien - back in '79 I thought it was the greatest film I'd ever had the privilege
to see. And I still stand by that. However, last night at the Premiere, I really tried to like Prometheus, but couldn't help thinking it was all so naff and contrived, confused and silly. There's a scene where a Caesarean section is performed, and it really has to be seen to be believed - uttely ludicrous and pointless. This film adds nothing to the Alien mythos, and I want to know what the point of this film is, other than to make money for Scott, and spoil everything that made Alien and Aliens so good. God help me. I think I prefer Aliens vs Predator.
I think the ludicrousness of the [spoiler]c-section[/spoiler] was more because everything about that plot-point was so rushed like most things in the film. There are still things to enjoy about the film but it is a cluster-fuck.
I don't think it spoils anything to do with the other Alien films.
Why did they need Guy Pearce to play an old man with crappy make-up, couldn't they have just got like, an old actor?
Despite what I said I do think there are many things to enjoy about this film - the music is gorgeous and there's a real sense of spectacle and beauty, particularly at the start of the film. However, I do still think here are elements of the pic that act only to undermine what has gone before, rather than adding to it.
Didn't even like the music, just seemed totally mismatched a lot of the time with a weird sort of heroic theme popping up here and there.
Not too fussed by the visuals either. I think a big part of this is my fault for watching all of the trailers etc so I don't think I saw a single image fresh. More than that though I think the muddled pacing really took away from the imagery. My favourite things about Alien and Blade Runner is that they do really create very believable worlds. I think this is partly achieved by relaxed pacing that just lets you really explore the scenery and great soundtracks, not hans zimmery type block buster music and characters babbling. Everything in prometheus seems very workmanlike just compare the journey to the derelict in Alien to the journey to the pyramid in Prometheus.
I know some of the music in Alien's a bit Hollywood splendour at times but Prometheus has some silly sweeping bits.
Just saw it tonight. What I loved about Alien was the grumpy, bitchy crew were heroic but made sense as people and the monster/alien life-form made sense as a biological parasite (behaving much like many do in nature)-I mean it was a bit of a stretch that it grew so quickly, but not much and it wouldn't have worked as well with them fighting John Hurt's wee baby.
In this one, so much more stretching demanded of the viewer,without anything as exciting for payback. The people don't really make sense [spoiler] two scientists: one naively cocky about alien atmosphere and the other purely faith-based, and a tattooed 'grunt' geologist who resents...other scientists for no reason other than to recreate the 'us v them' crew dynamic of the first film[/spoiler] the aliens[spoiler]: (both types) [/spoiler]certainly don't [spoiler]: until the epilogue,- which must compete with Darth Vader's "Noooooooo!" for the dumbest round-up ever[/spoiler].
Probably not a lot you can do with a story that everybody already knows the end of, but Sheesh! Stay away from the big questions if you can't demonstrate even a basic understanding of what evolution is and how it works.
Quote from: The Zanti Misfit on 01 June, 2012, 11:29:12 PM
Despite what I said I do think there are many things to enjoy about this film - the music is gorgeous and there's a real sense of spectacle and beauty, particularly at the start of the film.
That was the general opinion of the 1995 Judge Dredd debacle, but it didn't carry for the rest of that movie, and I fear the same is true for Prometheus, from everything I've read thus far...
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Quote from: The Zanti Misfit on 01 June, 2012, 11:29:12 PM
Despite what I said I do think there are many things to enjoy about this film - the music is gorgeous and there's a real sense of spectacle and beauty, particularly at the start of the film.
That was the general opinion of the 1995 Judge Dredd debacle, but it didn't carry for the rest of that movie, and I fear the same is true for Prometheus, from everything I've read thus far...
Doesn't the dropping of the Stallone bomb in this forum trigger the activation of some site-specific version of Godwin's Law?
Is Dredd a Nazi?
I caught Prometheus last night. If i leave my review at just that, then thatll give you some idea of what i thought of it.
Well, i guess first things first. Is this film an Alien prequel?, well yes i suppose technically it is, though i think its all down to personal interpretation, and that question isnt really that important at all, to be honest. I, for one, am glad that they tried to put some distance between this film and Alien in an attempt to do something new. Unfortunately, in reality it was more a case of tried and failed. [spoiler]Witness the laughable scene at the end[/spoiler]
Characters come, and literally go, and silly silly stuff abounds [spoiler]No! Dont play with that Space-snake! No! Dont take your helmet off! No! Dont leave Shaw's baby unattended! No! Dont open the door to mutantman! No! dont film this script its awful![/spoiler]
Rapice doesnt convince as the lead, the usually superb Fassbender, though excellant as David, is hampered by the stupid script, which only leaves Theron's Vickers that really hits the spot.
Regarding the basic storyline, ive no real issues to speak of. Its more a case of the fleshing out, and the handling of, that is so lame.
The Engineers arent explained into oblivion, and you are left wanting to know more. So thumbs up for that. [spoiler]Shame the other major 'alien' looks like a reject from the Men in Black, though.[/spoiler]
Spectacular effects, and sets are much on show. Though the occasional ropey CGI shot is present, these are fleeting. Didnt really care for the soundtrack. Nothing unique or out of the ordinary. Standard fare, really.
A badly written, badly acted - in parts, and badly edited/directed film, that does contain little nuggets of gold. All in all, you needed to "try harder", Mr Scott.
...or better still maybe, relax a bit more.
I liked it, but it irked me for good and bad reasons (Good- I think some of David's motivations are open to interpretation, as of course are the Engineers. Bad- As pointed out by several posts above, the plot kinda lost the, er, plot. There seemed to be no consequence to several key scenes, a failing I found was a regular occurrence with 'Lost').
Bottom line: entertaining movie, but nowhere near the game-changing experience that I (obviously naively) expected. 7/10.
Avoiding spoilers so I've only skimmed through this thread but . . . has anyone commented on Rapace's character name?
As in Doctor Who?
Trivial, yes, but it did make me wonder. Coinkidink? It's an unremarkable name, after all . . . or did someone have a crush on Caroline John?
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Poop in my mouth/
poop in my mouth/
poop in my mouth, bitch/
poop in my mouth.
I want y'all/
To poop in my mouth/
Do as I say, trick/
Or I'll turn you out.
I pay good money/
For you to poop in my mouth/
So drop trou, slut/
Lessee what chu worth [pronounced so as to rhyme with "mouth"]
Spaceship controlled by boiled eggs and a flute*
*seriously, that's my favourite bit of the film.
....if somebody had told me that before going in, i would have laughed in their face, ;)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 June, 2012, 05:31:40 PM
Spaceship controlled by boiled eggs and a flute*
*seriously, that's my favourite bit of the film.
Jayses, oi woulda thought de image of Fassbender playin a flute would make it Rogers favourite film, so oi would.
It's still the best part, seriously.
It was ok, nowt that we aint seen before........
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Film C- could have worked if better script , lets hope the uncut version in 20 years is better .
Pmsl ....
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 June, 2012, 05:31:40 PM
Spaceship controlled by boiled eggs and a flute*
*seriously, that's my favourite bit of the film.
Let this be a lesson to you all. A brilliant viral campaign with all those videos being released, excellent trailers and in the end it seems many are underwhelmed.
Thank Drokk DREDD has been very quiet :D
Well it was a good film...
I'm not going to review it as such, mainly just point out what I found to be stunningly horrendous about it, because I'm a cynic. [spoiler]The whole Shaw thing, where she's pregnant with an alien squid, what the hell was that thing, it was one of their biological weapons yes, but it didn't look like anything else we've seen, I'm not saying it should look like a xenomorph but it should at least look like the other stuff they found in the engineers' ship. And that should have been a bigger plot point or it should have just been left out, there was no peril involved with that, other than the rushed and laughable caesarian ordeal. Ridley Scott said of the first Alien film, there is a difference scaring someone, and shocking them, shocking them is just showing them gore and something disgusting, scaring someone is what he hoped to accomplish with alien and this film, he achieved it with the first, with this he just went for gross out. And a lot about the squid made no sense. Ok, I can just about bye that shaw got pregnant with it through the infected charlie, but when it became a giant squid, how did it impregnate the engineer, is it essentially an early, giant version of the face hugger, if so why did what came out of the engineer look so different to what we've seen in this film before, I know that had to make it look like a xenomorph, but if that's the case makes the giant squid look slightly Geiger-esque. Oh and Guy Pearce. WHAT THE HELL. Oh and a man who I'm assuming is over a hundred having a thirty year old daughter. [/spoiler] Suspension of disbelief is a tricky thing mister Scott; and you managed to dick it all up and down.
However, I did still enjoy the film. And it looked beautiful. Except the[spoiler]squid. That was frikin' retarded.[/spoiler]
Will
Oh and also [spoiler]the scientists, even though they know that an entire ship full of superior beings was killed buy whatever was on that ship, they decided when an alien snake starts hissing at them, they should stroke it.[/spoiler]
Quote from: willthemightyW on 02 June, 2012, 07:46:36 PM
[spoiler]Oh and Guy Pearce. WHAT THE HELL. Oh and a man who I'm assuming is over a hundred having a thirty year old daughter.[/spoiler] Suspension of disbelief is a tricky thing mister Scott; and you managed to dick it all up and down.
So you haven't seen Rupert Murdoch and his wife?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 June, 2012, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: willthemightyW on 02 June, 2012, 07:46:36 PM
[spoiler]Oh and Guy Pearce. WHAT THE HELL. Oh and a man who I'm assuming is over a hundred having a thirty year old daughter.[/spoiler] Suspension of disbelief is a tricky thing mister Scott; and you managed to dick it all up and down.
So you haven't seen Rupert Murdoch and his wife?
Haha
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 02 June, 2012, 07:07:18 PM
Let this be a lesson to you all. A brilliant viral campaign with all those videos being released, excellent trailers and in the end it seems many are underwhelmed. Thank Drokk DREDD has been very quiet :D
The logic doesn't withstand close scrutiny, but the point you're making's valid.
Ridley Scott must be feeling the same way I do when, after following the set up instructions in the manual
to the letter, I still end up with wonky shelving or a telly that only displays a black and white image from the SCART input.
What a gargantuan let-down. Honestly, just.... just a colossal squandered opportunity. Does NOT bode well for Balde Runner 2.
Here's an idea instead of using Mike from neighbours to play a rather unconvincing 130 yr old they could have cast John Hurt with minimal makeup. The engineers could have then de-aged him and he could have deliberately place himself on board the Nostromo and created the Alien and bob's your uncle!! :)
On another note [spoiler]Anyone else think the last act has been substantially re-jigged just to leave it open for a sequel? It just seems that what they were initially going for was a direct lead in to Alien as the planet seems very similar to LV426 brownish in colour and orbiting a ringed gas giant. When the horse shoe ship crashes it also ends up settling in a very similar position to the derelict in Alien. The editing also seems very choppy towards the end(though this does apply to a lot of the film) The appearence of the Space Jockey on the escape ship has to be rather clumsily explained by David.
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Despite all its flaws I really enjoyed it. Good bit of sci-fi.
I thought it had the same problems as Alien 3, AvP and AvP2 - the comics already covered this ground, so a movie has to do something different regardless of whether it actually should, hence a hot mess where instead of the perfectly straightforward "Predators made them to be hard to kill" the Alien now has the same origin as [spoiler]the ape-doctors from Garth Merenghi's Darkplace, or if you're feeling less generous, created by pixie dust - though sci-fi writers like to call it Dark Matter these days.[/spoiler]
Looks gorge, mind.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 02 June, 2012, 03:13:34 PM
Poop in my mouth/
poop in my mouth/
poop in my mouth, bitch/
poop in my mouth.
I want y'all/
To poop in my mouth/
Do as I say, trick/
Or I'll turn you out.
I pay good money/
For you to poop in my mouth/
So drop trou, slut/
Lessee what chu worth [pronounced so as to rhyme with "mouth"]
I know I'm missing some sly point of humor in that, but WHAT THE HELL, Rog' dude!?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 June, 2012, 07:56:17 PM
So you haven't seen Rupert Murdoch and his wife?
:lol:... too true, there, Joe dude...
Hmm, maybe I should stop calling everyone "dude", is it getting a bit annoying to anyone out there...?
Quote from: dyl on 02 June, 2012, 08:58:37 PM
Here's an idea instead of using Mike from neighbours to play a rather unconvincing 130 yr old they could have cast John Hurt with minimal makeup. The engineers could have then de-aged him and he could have deliberately place himself on board the Nostromo and created the Alien and bob's your uncle!! :)
On another note [spoiler]Anyone else think the last act has been substantially re-jigged just to leave it open for a sequel? It just seems that what they were initially going for was a direct lead in to Alien as the planet seems very similar to LV426 brownish in colour and orbiting a ringed gas giant. When the horse shoe ship crashes it also ends up settling in a very similar position to the derelict in Alien. The editing also seems very choppy towards the end(though this does apply to a lot of the film) The appearence of the Space Jockey on the escape ship has to be rather clumsily explained by David.
[/spoiler]
Yeah, i was wondering if last minute re-shoots/re-jigging happened, as well. Isnt there stuff in trailers that isnt in the finished film? Nowt too unusual with that, but still, it does seem bodged in places.
My feelings of utter contempt after viewing AvP certainly weren't replicated after watching Prometheus and that was a considerable victory in my opinion.
The film looked stunning in IMAX 3D, particularly the opening waterfall shots, but as stated the plot and script were the real problem- Dan O'Bannon's and Ron Shusett's writing skills was severely missed.
Characters appeared to make great leaps in logic to reach certain conclusions-maybe an extended cut will address these issues.
As a techno and Sci-Fi fetishist, I loved the ship, technology and alien design work and while the film is flawed, it did have some stand out moments of tension and horror and some exploration of big ideas.
The film's major achievement, in my opinion, was not to sully the other films in the series as the two AvP movies did and still create an interesting film-something a certain other series of prequels failed to do.
If this all sounds like damning with faint praise I still enjoyed the film and will probably go see it again even if it failed to match the brilliance of Alien, but then with so much expectation and history how could it of ever have?
As for Blade Runner ?. At least Scott has got original Blade Runner writer Hampton Fancher on board, which bodes well.
Genuinely surprised at the overwhelming negativity on this thread. I utterly loved it, beyond a few odd niggles. Feels like I saw a different film to everyone else.
Well, that was shit.
Most people have already touched on the things that bothered me, but will just add some others.
[spoiler]I thought it was funny how the guy who is responsible for mapping the tunnels got lost. And also how nobody seemed to care that they had left them there over night in an ALIEN temple with loads of dead bodies.
I also thought it was funny how willing the two co-pilots were willing to commit suicide with their captain because "he is a shit pilot" Utterly terrible scene.
But yeah, this film was so bad, I couldn't quite believe it. Shame really, wasted opportunity.
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Scott is pulling a Lucas.
It's a straight-up Alien prequel which is fine, I've no argument with that, but I don't see why they needed to hide it and say otherwise.
It's Alien: Episode I so you'll need to wait until Episode III (referencing Scott's two proposed pr-s-equels that lead to Alien as he said on the beeb) to find out how it all ties together and exactly how the galaxy falls to the dark-side and how the Space Jockey gets high on his own supply and crashes his ship.
Ta for all the great feedback. You have saved monies which will now be rightly delegated to booze and prog x
Scott said on the Mayo and Kermode Podcast that he was hoping Prometheus would be the first of three films that would lead up to 'Alien'
The worst thing I can say about it is that my dad thought it was terrible - and his bar for sci-fi is so low he bought both AvP flicks on dvd, and not as part of a sale. Amusingly, he also spotted the obvious continuity gaffe that didn't even occur to me:[spoiler] if the Aliens were created in the future, how were they in two AvP films set in the present?[/spoiler] In my defence, though, I don't really care.
I think Scott wanted to have Prometheus be cannon and AvP not, but because they are both shit, it doesn't really matter.
this makes me sad, will still probly drop some cash on this but not expecting teh second coming.
Cu Radbacker
Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce) made me think of Edward Enfield.
FINALLY got to see it tonight.
And I enjoyed it. Quite a lot!
I have to say, most of my suppositions were proven correct. I don't think the movie is at all perfect or above criticism, but I was pleasantly surprised .
Pacing, with one or two isolated blips aside, doesn't bother me at all. It's nowhere near the jarring, breakneck, scene-skipping idiocy of something like Green Lantern (which I mention for the sake of argument alone).
I do think there's a problem with the movie's ideas just not being as focused or interesting as we were promised (that over-hype thing again) and I can fully see why there are some folks who are unhappy with it. But I was entertained.
Gonna slap down a pre-order on the DVD tout suite!
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 04 June, 2012, 12:47:06 AM
Scott said on the Mayo and Kermode Podcast that he was hoping Prometheus would be the first of three films that would lead up to 'Alien'
See, THIS is what get's my heckles up, this whole 'oh, you have to see all three films to get the whole story' racket, JUST TELL THE BLOODY STORY IN A SINGLE FILM YOU SHYSTERS!!! Having watched Alien again during the weekend (in glorious HD too, holy grud, was that picture good!), I'm digging my heels in and absolutely refuse to watch
Prometheus EVER; I don't want to know where the alien came from, who or what the Space Jockey is/was, and why the ship was lying derelict on LV-426... whatever happened to a sense of mystery, the aura of mystique, leaving things to the imagination...
The voice of wisdom: that.
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 05 June, 2012, 01:41:01 AM
See, THIS is what get's my heckles up, this whole 'oh, you have to see all three films to get the whole story' racket, JUST TELL THE BLOODY STORY IN A SINGLE FILM YOU SHYSTERS!!!
Ah, see... THIS I can fully sympathise with!
I think Prometheus works pretty well as a two-hour set-up for something bigger, but there's always the risk that a good chunk of the audience don't want to sit through a set-up for a story that has a two year gap between continuing chapters. A movie (or any kind of story) has to have its own definite arc that rolls along as all that set-up happens around it. I don't think Prometheus is especially weak in that regard, but the main plot IS pretty slender. Nothing wrong with that, I think. After all, the plot to most of the Alien movies is pretty slender when you squint at them sideways.
My biggest reservation is that Damon Lindelhof just isn't the sort of writer to attach to a movie when grand promises of deep, thought-provoking and 'epic' scale are being made. I had a lot of fun with Prometheus, but it didn't tick any of those boxes for me (as I knew full well in advance it wouldn't.)
The problem with Lindelhof's writing is, he does really well with the set-ups, he's good at throwing out strands that could build up to something... but those strands don't really go anywhere. His payoffs are sometimes groan-inducingly weak and inconclusive. Just look at 'Lost'. the conclusion to that show was risible, and preceded by a massive jumble of ideas that really SHOULD have been addressed earlier, or felt like they were tossed in at the last minute for the sake of it.
I think those faults are all evident in Prometheus to different degrees, which is a shame.
But, like I say, I really liked Prometheus in spite of those faults. I just hope we can maybe get a more technically accomplished writer on the inevitable sequels, because the potential scope they have to offer certainly deserves better handling.
Quote from: HdE on 05 June, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
My biggest reservation is that Damon Lindelhof just isn't the sort of writer to attach to a movie when grand promises of deep, thought-provoking and 'epic' scale are being made. I had a lot of fun with Prometheus, but it didn't tick any of those boxes for me (as I knew full well in advance it wouldn't.)
The problem with Lindelhof's writing is, he does really well with the set-ups, he's good at throwing out strands that could build up to something... but those strands don't really go anywhere. His payoffs are sometimes groan-inducingly weak and inconclusive. Just look at 'Lost'. the conclusion to that show was risible, and preceded by a massive jumble of ideas that really SHOULD have been addressed earlier, or felt like they were tossed in at the last minute for the sake of it.
I think those faults are all evident in Prometheus to different degrees, which is a shame.
I think Lindelof is misguidedly getting the blame for all of Prometheus' faults when the appropriation of blame and responsibility really should be in Scott's corner. If he didn't want or approve of the things that are in that script, they wouldn't be there. It's his film and his vision, he hired two particular screenwriters of his own choosing to draft the screenplay
he wanted.
From
Bleeding Cool's interview with Lindelof:
Over the course of a few weeks, 4 times a week, for sometimes four to six hour story sessions, I sat across from the table from him with my pen out, writing down every word that was coming out of his mouth. I would ask him questions and we would sometimes talk about the script directly, and sometimes talk about the thematics, and there was a whole day we spent talking about 2001 and Stanley Kubrick. The result of that was that I ended up with a whole notebook of notation that I had taken and I felt like I understood. I had a real clear sense of the movie that Ridley wanted to make and I went off and I did my draft.
And he read that and he repeated the process all over again. We got closer and closer to the movie that he wanted to make through each conversation. So it was enormously collaborative. And I feel like, it's not so much a movie I wrote, and I know Jon Spaihts agrees, we were just channeling Ridley's vision for the movie.
You don't argue with Ridley Scott about the movie he wants to make. You give him every single angle that you can. I said "When you ask questions that the movie doesn't definitively answer it's a double edged sword. Some people will be completely totally creatively engaged by it. Some people are going to be pissed off by it." That only galvanised him more because if there is one thing Ridley loves doing, it's pissing people off. Hopefully in the right way.http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/03/the-rest-of-our-prometheus-conversation-with-damon-lindelof/
The more power Ridley Scott exercises over the scripting and narrative direction his films take, the worse they tend to be.
Another quote from the Lindelof interview that clearly shows who was in charge:
There were drafts that were more explicitly spelled out. I think Ridley's instinct kept being to pull back, and I would say, "Ridley, I'm still eating shit a year after Lost is over for all the things we didnt directly spell out, Are you sure you want to do this?" And he said, "I would rather have people fighting about it and not know then spell it out."
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/02/when-bleeding-cool-met-damon-lindelof-prometheus-loose-ends-repeat-viewings-and-sequels/
Scott didn't want a screenwriter who was willing to fight their corner, press him on certain things that were wrong or fight for their own authorship, he wanted a scrivener.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 June, 2012, 07:29:49 PMThe more power Ridley Scott exercises over the scripting and narrative direction his films take, the worse they tend to be.
Was just recently linked to this blog post (http://sex-in-a-sub.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/robbing-from-poor-writer.html) about the process behind his
Robin Hood, which was an enlightening read.
Quote from: a chosen rider on 05 June, 2012, 08:02:00 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 June, 2012, 07:29:49 PMThe more power Ridley Scott exercises over the scripting and narrative direction his films take, the worse they tend to be.
Was just recently linked to this blog post (http://sex-in-a-sub.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/robbing-from-poor-writer.html) about the process behind his Robin Hood, which was an enlightening read.
Interesting article. A lot of what I've long thought about Ridley Scott is there. If only someone would just lock him into a set and tell him to direct the script he's given.
I like this quote:
I think part of the "director's stamp" thing is that many directors have no idea what they are doing and can not use their visual style / directorial style to "put their stamp on it" so they mess with the story (the writer's job).
Saw it in IMAX 3D last night, and loved every minute of it. I've only skimmed some posts here but am getting the impression the film has been really poorly received which saddens me a bit because I enjoyed it so much. As fans of the whole Alien-verse we've come away completely buzzing about it, and I can't stress enough how glad I am we went for IMAX, the 3D was fantastic but never intrusive and as usual the picture quality and sound was just immense. Loved it.
I don't think it's been poorly received so much as it's enjoyed a mixed reaction, Keef. I really liked it, but some of the criticisms are certainly valid.
last few posts have certainly been interesting - especially this:
You don't argue with Ridley Scott about the movie he wants to make.You give him every single angle that you can. I said "When you ask questions that the movie doesn't definitively answer it's a double edged sword. Some people will be completely totally creatively engaged by it. Some people are going to be pissed off by it." That only galvanised him more because if there is one thing Ridley loves doing, it's pissing people off. Hopefully in the right way.
I really have mixed feelings about that.
On the one hand, leaving questions unanswered has been a trope of movies for donkeys' years. On the other, leaving an audience as unsatisfied as so many obviously feel has been a miss-step for about as long, too.
If there were drafts, as Lindelhof states, that spelt things out a little more clearly, then FOR GOD'S SAKE, that's what should have been used.
I had no problem following Prometheus, but my friends were full of questions as we walked home from the cinema. And not in a good way at all. When those questions are things as pivotal as [spoiler]'What's in the urns?', 'why do the engineers hate humans?' or even 'why did the guy with the funny haircut go beserk and start murdering people?'[/spoiler] that's a sign that the story's key concepts aren't being signposted clearly enough.
Too many movies are using throwaway lines of dialogue and blink-and-miss scenes to develop or explain their plot these days. That's a trend that needs to stop. If either Lindelhof or Scott are in favour of this approach, irrespective of what they tell each other, they aren't telling their stories properly. Somebody NEEDS to argue with them.
I'm not usually one to be so blunt about these things, but let's face it, story values are on the decline in Hollywood movies. When I see a movie like this, which COULD have been an A+ piece of sci-fi reduced to (for me) a B- whistle-stop popcorn flick with some big ideas thrown in, that makes me feel uncomfortable about the art of storytelling, and the perception of its importance among big studios.
I have no problems with the questions answered or otherwise -the urns don't really need explaining, they contain malignant genetic soup created by aliens- I just don't think the characters are handled very well which means the story isn't either. The faith aspect of Shaw's character is seriously uncooked.
I gotta agree with you on every point HdE.
Although I liked the movie, it's such a missed opportunity.
I initially thought the disappointment was simply due to too high expectations on my part, after a second viewing (promised a mate to see it with him, it wasn't that I loved it or anything) I'm not so sure.
This movie had the potential to be outstanding, and only minor tweaks could accomplish that.
I know Scott pretty much said that this is his directors cut, so no use hoping for an improved version unfortunately.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 June, 2012, 11:10:30 PM
The faith aspect of Shaw's character is seriously uncooked.
Agree with you there Joe.
As was the potential to tie the Engineers motives 2000 years ago to the advent of Christianity.
I went to the Premiere, so I thought I'd hold back until the rest of you plebians had managed to see it.
Erm...I dunno. I did enjoy it, but I did find quite a lot of it rather.....sketchy.
I think this place is as good as any to post some of my questions, so here goes:
[spoiler]1) The start. What was that alien doing? Seeding life on Earth via his crumbling DNA? If so, who were the aliens who came back to be recreated in the cave drawings? And why did they bother?
2) Why were there several maps to direct us/ them back to a planet that wasn't their home-world, just a place they stopped off to make some alien gunk?
3) What was that alien gunk and what was the point of it? How come the end result of ingesting it had some many different results? Birthing a squid monster/ sort of Alien-thing at the end/ head exploding/ turning into a very angry alien with a fat head (the ginger tattooed gimp). It made no sense.
4) So they "accelerated" our evolution? Or created us?[/spoiler]
I'M SO CONFUSED
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 02 June, 2012, 02:51:44 AM
Quote from: The Zanti Misfit on 01 June, 2012, 11:29:12 PM
Despite what I said I do think there are many things to enjoy about this film - the music is gorgeous and there's a real sense of spectacle and beauty, particularly at the start of the film.
That was the general opinion of the 1995 Judge Dredd debacle, but it didn't carry for the rest of that movie, and I fear the same is true for Prometheus, from everything I've read thus far...
Are you comparing Stallone's Judge Dredd and Prometheus? Risible.
Well, I saw this at the weekend, and while I enjoyed it, it was somehow ... lacking. Plenty of action, eye-popping visuals, decent performances and enough Alien references to keep the geek happy, so why did I find myself checking my watch so often? I'm not sure whether the other films will combine to make a satisfying story, but this one just didn't engage - ideas were thrown in - such as [spoiler]Vicker's paranoia with her auto-doc and escape-pod quarters, Weyland's motivations, the android's inner development as he spends years monitoring the crew's dreams[/spoiler] - and then just left hanging.
Wish I'd chosen MIB3 instead
I'm slowly beginning to articulate my disappointment and rage. Like many others have noted, it just lacked something didn't it? Cohesion for a start. I've got no problem with big, cosmological questions going unanswered (one of the many things I loved about Lost), but in this case the quesitons were barely even asked. I seriously began to wonder whether the writer's came up against a deadline and just handed over what they'd got up to that point, and everyone else just decided to run with it.
Messy, half-formed, half-informed, wooden acting, utterly nonsensical character actions and scenes that just didn't logically flow. I hated it. But yes, it looked nice.
Quote from: brendan1 on 06 June, 2012, 09:57:23 AM
Are you comparing Stallone's Judge Dredd and Prometheus? Risible.
Prometheus is a better film than Judge Dredd,- but not by much.
I'll declare my interest by saying the
Alien Trilogy were the first I bought on DVD (before I even had a player!)and
Alien is the only film I've ever watched with the directors commentary on. My cat is called Jonesey. I like these flims a lot. I have also never ventured near AVP films as I thought they would cheapen my favourite Xenomorphs further than IV did. However, I saw no trailers for this nor was I at high doh in fannish anticipation.
I both enjoyed and disliked
Prometheus in roughly equal measure. I liked the visual and aural continuity with
Alien and it had many nice, subtle touches such as [spoiler]David's thumbprint being a Weyland logo.[/spoiler] I also like the questions it leaves still unanswered and am looking forward to more, but also think it felt like half a film precisely because of that.
The stuff I didn't like...the lack of characters and logic at times, and the complete non science and non scientific way they went about it! Archaeology as trained by Time Team, a DNA squence doo dad actually saying 'MATCH!', and the actual total match itself. 'Abdominal surgery' caesarian. And the point of geologist and biologist being first on the block was as subtle as a block of bioclastic limestone being dropped on me head...
Quote from: brendan1 on 06 June, 2012, 09:28:28 AM
[spoiler]1) The start. What was that alien doing? Seeding life on Earth via his crumbling DNA? If so, who were the aliens who came back to be recreated in the cave drawings? And why did they bother?
2) Why were there several maps to direct us/ them back to a planet that wasn't their home-world, just a place they stopped off to make some alien gunk?
3) What was that alien gunk and what was the point of it? How come the end result of ingesting it had some many different results? Birthing a squid monster/ sort of Alien-thing at the end/ head exploding/ turning into a very angry alien with a fat head (the ginger tattooed gimp). It made no sense.
4) So they "accelerated" our evolution? Or created us?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]1) Did it explicitly say it was Earth at the start? I can't remember, but I took it as a 'seeding' event.
2) Several maps give a better chance of discovery. When they're all found and interpreted humanity is ready - yes, I'm getting a Lunar Monolith vibe here. Directions to the the Planet of Gunk could have been when they thought The Gunk was pretty good stuff, before it went all mental/got contaminated on them?
3) I'll go for a Primordial Soup, no bread please. Either artificially created or discovered by the Engineers to terraform/seed life. As for it's different effects, well all the 'characters' got 'infected' in different ways with different amounts. Maybe it depends on the type of person?
4)They had something to do with it at any rate. Maybe the whole Star Map thing is so they could warn humanity about The Gunk? [/spoiler]
Quote from: Dandontdare on 06 June, 2012, 10:04:31 AM
such as [spoiler]Vicker's paranoia with her auto-doc and escape-pod quarters, Weyland's motivations, the android's inner development as he spends years monitoring the crew's dreams[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Her paranoia could be just a consequence of the Company and how she's got where she is,the auto doc was for Weyland (it says it was configured for 'males only', which is also ridiculous if you ask me), Weyland wants to live forever, David is learning how to be human.[/spoiler]
And
Prometheus is wayyy better than the JD film!
M.
I thought there was something familiar about the mound/temple thing on LV-223, so I dug out my copy of Giger's ARh+ when I got home and I found this image (which I've linked for non-spoileryness):
http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/File:Giger-dune-ii-medium.jpg (http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/File:Giger-dune-ii-medium.jpg)
These were done for an aborted attempt at filming Dune, but it looks like they may have been repurposed for Prometheus. There's a couple of other similar images out there by Giger. Deliberate? Homage?
Quote from: Mikey on 06 June, 2012, 01:51:35 PMQuote from: Dandontdare on 06 June, 2012, 10:04:31 AM
such as [spoiler]Vicker's paranoia with her auto-doc and escape-pod quarters, Weyland's motivations, the android's inner development as he spends years monitoring the crew's dreams[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Her paranoia could be just a consequence of the Company and how she's got where she is,the auto doc was for Weyland (it says it was configured for 'males only', which is also ridiculous if you ask me), Weyland wants to live forever, David is learning how to be human.[/spoiler]
It's not that I didn't understand them, just that they were never explored. [spoiler]'android learning to be human' isn't an uncommon theme - tinman, data etc - but if it's important to the film we need more than some enigmatic glances and smug quotations from the 'droid.[/spoiler] It's like they threw everything they could think of into the film and then instaed of actually exploring or resolving any of these themes in an interesting way just shoved them aside in favour of another tentacle monster.
Sorry Dan, I mis read your post, didn't mean to be tellin you to suck (space ship control) eggs.
Quote from: Noisybast on 06 June, 2012, 03:02:30 PM
There's a couple of other similar images out there by Giger. Deliberate? Homage?
Must be deliberate I'd say.
M.
No long critique like others have done, saw Prometheus today and really enjoyed it.
A lot about this film could have been saved just by having a strong main protagonist. But Elizabeth Shaw is no Ellen Ripley, not by a long chalk. Even after what they did to Ripley in Alien Resurrection, she still remains a stronger character than Shaw by far.
Quote from: brendan1 on 06 June, 2012, 09:28:28 AM[spoiler]3) What was that alien gunk and what was the point of it? How come the end result of ingesting it had some many different results? Birthing a squid monster/ sort of Alien-thing at the end/ head exploding/ turning into a very angry alien with a fat head (the ginger tattooed gimp).[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Pixie dust - it does what it does and that is all. Nowadays sci-fi writers (and, disappointingly, proper scientists) call this substance Dark Matter, and in the film it is literally just dark matter.[/spoiler]
Saw the film again today and it improves on a second viewing, though some previous criticisms still apply.
Obviously Shaw is set up as the natural successor to Ripley and if they can improve the writing on any planned sequel then I'll be there.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 06 June, 2012, 10:31:04 PM
Obviously Shaw is set up as the natural successor to Ripley
Predecessor.
I thought it was OK up until the [spoiler]Caesarian scene - that really tipped it into being a different film for me, and when ginger beardy angry man turned up, I just kept thinking of Oddbod Junior in Carry on Screaming.
[/spoiler]
Quote from: brendan1 on 06 June, 2012, 09:28:28 AM[spoiler]3) What was that alien gunk and what was the point of it? How come the end result of ingesting it had some many different results? Birthing a squid monster/ sort of Alien-thing at the end/ head exploding/ turning into a very angry alien with a fat head (the ginger tattooed gimp).[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Nanites. "Grey goo" is, I believe, quite a common SF description for a whole bunch of nano-machines. In this case I assume they restructure the victim's DNA.[/spoiler]
I thought it was pretty disappointing overall. Once I realised nobody in their right mind would send such idiots on a mission that will possibly result in first contact with an alien life I lost interest. [spoiler]Keep your helmet on, follow the map and for the love god if it moves don't touch it![/spoiler]
Quote from: bikini kill on 06 June, 2012, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 06 June, 2012, 10:31:04 PM
Obviously Shaw is set up as the natural successor to Ripley
Predecessor.
I meant in film historical terms obviously! ;)
I don't have any investment in the universe of Alien(s) beyond thinking people have made two cracking films set in it and that Alien Breed was a great game. Nor has it ever occurred to me to wonder where these particular aliens came from or what the story was behind that ship the Nostromo found.
Nonetheless, I saw it the other day and enjoyed watching it, although probably more for the visual spectacle than any involving plot. I don't imagine anything could live up to the sort of hyped-up expectations induced by having full page adverts for your trailer in the national press. However, having not paid much attention to anything other than the first trailer I was still quite fresh for it.
Most of the things I liked and disliked about it have already been said. There were quite a few good elements to it which could've been teased out in better ways and there were a few too many characters for them all to gel or have something to do.
Shaw's faith vs science makes her the film's equivalent of Jodie Foster in Contact, doesn't it?
The weird grafting on of the motherhood theme from Aliens wasn't handled particularly well.
Even if this does reasonably well, I can't see the casual filmgoer being interested enough to go back for a second bite of the cherry.
Quote from: The Cosh on 06 June, 2012, 11:51:52 PM
Shaw's faith vs science makes her the film's equivalent of Jodie Foster in Contact, doesn't it?
Oddly enough, I was thinking of that exact comparison before going to see the movie. After seeing it, I think Contact does a MUCH better job of handling that vein of characterisation.
That said, I REALLY like Noomi Rapace in this role. A woman who [spoiler]undertakes her own cesearian section and fights on for the rest of the movie with a brace of surgical staples holding her together...[/spoiler] kinda gets my approval. Also, her [spoiler]cheekbones [/spoiler]are MASSIVE!
Quote from: darnmarr on 06 June, 2012, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: brendan1 on 06 June, 2012, 09:57:23 AM
Are you comparing Stallone's Judge Dredd and Prometheus? Risible.
Prometheus is a better film than Judge Dredd,- but not by much.
I meant the opinions that both Promotheus and 'Judge Dredd' (inverted commas intentional) had strong visually impressive openings and great scores, but didn't carry that early potential through the rest of the movie, and I haven't nor will I ever see Prometheus (reasons on previous page), so I can't comment on it's merits (or otherwise) personally...
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 07 June, 2012, 12:31:02 AM
I meant the opinions that both Promotheus and 'Judge Dredd' (inverted commas intentional) had strong visually impressive openings and great scores, but didn't carry that early potential through the rest of the movie, and I haven't nor will I ever see Prometheus (reasons on previous page), so I can't comment on it's merits (or otherwise) personally...
Are you using red and blue text against a field of white to honour the hundred year reign of our beloved monarch,
Beaky?
Quote from: dweezil2 on 06 June, 2012, 10:31:04 PMObviously Shaw is set up as the natural successor to Ripley
Only as a character, Ripley destroys Shaw outright just by walking into the room. I can't even imagine the both of them in the same movie. Noomi might as well not bother turning up for work. I mean she was great in
Dragon Tatoo but then she had an interesting and well written character in that movie.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 07 June, 2012, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 06 June, 2012, 10:31:04 PMObviously Shaw is set up as the natural successor to Ripley
Only as a character, Ripley destroys Shaw outright just by walking into the room. I can't even imagine the both of them in the same movie. Noomi might as well not bother turning up for work. I mean she was great in Dragon Tatoo but then she had an interesting and well written character in that movie.
I can't see what they can do to make Elizabeth Shaw any more compelling without completely changing the character. I mean, does nobody else find her quest for validation of her half-assed Christian faith just a little bit selfish and well...
desperate? The character badly needed to grow up and realise there are more important things then her stupid quest for 'spiritual truth'. I hated the character. If she were here now I'd give her a bitch slap.
Yeah, I replied to my own post because the edit button went away. So sue me.
Don't get me wrong, it wasn't the worst movie ever, but Shaw sure was one of the worst protagonists ever.
Quote from: Link Prime on 05 June, 2012, 11:20:04 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 June, 2012, 11:10:30 PM
The faith aspect of Shaw's character is seriously uncooked.
As was the potential to tie the Engineers motives 2000 years ago to the advent of Christianity.
Not sure why you'd think the Engineers would have anything to do with such, bar Shaw's ill-defined faith and someone at some point mentioning something about something that so-say happened two thousand years ago. In its own confused way, I suppose the filmmakers would have the Engineers be analogous with the Nephilim (they're giants, sure, even though they have more in common with the Sons of God, i.e
angels); which, if we're going by the Judeo-Christian timeline, would place them at the time of the flood, some
four thousand years ago.
Like PROMETHEARSE as a whole, it's a mess. In the the context of the story, the implications are profound enough without Shaw having to be religious. And while I'm all for ambiguity, the film in question needs to actually
explore its ideas for us to come to our own conclusions.
Quote from: Mikey on 06 June, 2012, 03:58:21 PM
Sorry Dan, I mis read your post, didn't mean to be tellin you to suck (space ship control) eggs.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 June, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 05 June, 2012, 11:20:04 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 June, 2012, 11:10:30 PM
The faith aspect of Shaw's character is seriously uncooked.
As was the potential to tie the Engineers motives 2000 years ago to the advent of Christianity.
Not sure why you'd think the Engineers would have anything to do with such, bar Shaw's ill-defined faith and someone at some point mentioning something about something that so-say happened two thousand years ago. In its own confused way, I suppose the filmmakers would have the Engineers be analogous with the Nephilim (they're giants, sure, even though they have more in common with the Sons of God, i.e angels); which, if we're going by the Judeo-Christian timeline, would place them at the time of the flood, some four thousand years ago.
Like PROMETHEARSE as a whole, it's a mess. In the the context of the story, the implications are profound enough without Shaw having to be religious. And while I'm all for ambiguity, the film in question needs to actually explore its ideas for us to come to our own conclusions.
I read an interview with Lindelhof last week (may have been on Bleedingcool, not sure) where he discussed the implications of the Engineers wanting to wipe us out 2000 years ago.
I guess it was up to the viewer to consider if it had something to do with Christ or perhaps the Roman Empire. I cant think of any other relevant aspect to humanity's development that occurred in that period, so I guess they were alluding to either of those.
Quote from: Link Prime on 07 June, 2012, 01:23:55 PM
I guess it was up to the viewer to consider if it had something to do with Christ or perhaps the Roman Empire. I cant think of any other relevant aspect to humanity's development that occurred in that period, so I guess they were alluding to either of those.
Ptolemy's Almagest? While completely missing the point re: the Earth orbiting the Sun, it did systemise astronomy in terms of mathematics, so could be seen as the start of humanity's journey to the stars.
Interesting but I don't think the movie merits this level of analysis, and that's not a dig at your theories chaps, it's just not worthy IMO!
I'm continuing with my knee-jerk negativity and hereby proclaim my intention to boycott the Blade Runner sequel whenever that turns up ;)
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 June, 2012, 01:51:52 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 07 June, 2012, 01:23:55 PM
I guess it was up to the viewer to consider if it had something to do with Christ or perhaps the Roman Empire. I cant think of any other relevant aspect to humanity's development that occurred in that period, so I guess they were alluding to either of those.
Ptolemy's Almagest? While completely missing the point re: the Earth orbiting the Sun, it did systemise astronomy in terms of mathematics, so could be seen as the start of humanity's journey to the stars.
From Wikpedia:
Ptolemy's cosmosThe cosmology of the Almagest includes five main points, each of which is the subject of a chapter in Book I. What follows is a close paraphrase of Ptolemy's own words from Toomer's translation.[3]
The celestial realm is spherical, and moves as a sphere. Strike 1.
The Earth is a sphere. Almost...we'll give him that one.
The Earth is at the center of the cosmos. Strike 2.
The Earth, in relation to the distance of the fixed stars, has no appreciable size and must be treated as a mathematical point.[4] Technically correct, depending on your perspective.
The Earth does not move. Strike 3.
If I was in charge of an advanced civilization I wouldnt be feeling too murderous if that was what they believed at the time! :)
MGB is probably right though...it doesnt warrant this level of discussion!
They tried eliminating us 2000 years ago because we'd discovered that boiled eggs and a flute were the key to intersellar travel.
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232 (http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232)
I remember thinking uh oh when shaw said they'd been dead for 2000 years. The last question in this interview shows what they almost went for, very naff!! The fact that they didn't but still left the seeds in the script sums up the film for me.
Quote from: dyl on 07 June, 2012, 02:37:34 PM
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232 (http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232). The last question in this interview shows what they almost went for, very naff!!
QuoteBut if you look at it as an "our children are misbehaving down there" scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Lets' send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.
This makes me sad. And not only because the statement "A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen" makes
no sense (the 'Roman Empire' started maybe 30 years before Christ's
birth arrival, and (let's try to be charitable here) its predecessor the Republic had only been going for 500 years before that), or even the notion that the Romans were 'out of control' in comparison with the rest of skirt-wearing human history.
Mainly it makes me sad because it is everything I feared about this movie when I saw the first snippets. I hate this sort of claptrap, it's all been done to death. Think I'll skip my planned trip. Moonrise Kingdom instead, maybe.
Don't worry, Jesus is a Replicant, or some other Retrofit-Ridley-Reason that gets pulled out of his arse when asked a difficult question about something he never put enough thought into in the first place.
I know, I know, but 'aliens controlled our evolution', 'aliens shaped our history', 'Jesus was an alien'... it's just not something I could be arsed sitting through again.
You'd think after BSG it was done to death.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 June, 2012, 02:37:10 PM
They tried eliminating us 2000 years ago because we'd discovered that boiled eggs and a flute were the key to intersellar travel.
Let it go Joe! :)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 June, 2012, 03:35:14 PM
You'd think after BSG it was done to death.
In BSG canon, it was ultimately God wot done that, surely?
Quote from: Link Prime on 07 June, 2012, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 June, 2012, 02:37:10 PM
They tried eliminating us 2000 years ago because we'd discovered that boiled eggs and a flute were the key to intersellar travel.
Let it go Joe! :)
I did say it was the best thing in it.
First Act: Boring as fuck.
Second Act: Uneven & confused but some cool stuff is there.
Third Act: Uneven & confused and boring as fuck.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 June, 2012, 02:37:10 PM
They tried eliminating us 2000 years ago because we'd discovered that boiled eggs and a flute were the key to intersellar travel.
Haha!
Ron Burgundy is the apex of humanity, judging by that detail.
I actually liked the flute. I thought it added a much-needed air of whimsy to the Engineers.
Was just begging for some Oompa Loompas to turn up.
Well there was a stream of liquorice.
If Holloway had directed his stream of genetic matter in a different direction things might have taken a different turn.
See, maybe I missed something or am just jumping to different conclusions, but I didn't interpret it as the Engineers [spoiler]creating humanity and then later on deciding to destroy them, I figured they engineered a bio-weapon which needed to incubate in a host but as it doesn't make much sense to wipe out your population to build an army they instead seeded their DNA on Earth so that once humanity developed they could then return and infect the planet. It seems a bit crazy that they would wait a couple of thousand years to reap what they'd sown, but for all we know that's not long at all in terms of an Engineer's lifespan.
Just my take on it, and I love the idea of it.
I also particularly loved that the version of the "weapon" that's in Prometheus is obviously way less stable than what it eventually evolves into/is refined into by the Engineers, so it's just tearing through bodies and mutating in different ways every time. I think it's a really cool thought that the manhugger thingy was the first time it had evolved in that particular way and that it would then go onto adapt into the really concise breeding cycle that's seen in the other films (and take on a much more portable size)!
That's all obviously dependent on the notion that it was an engineered weapon and not just some random goop they stumbled on and couldn't contain, but I'm sure Scott has said in the past that the space jockey's ship in Alien was intended to be like a bomber carrying the eggs as weapons.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 June, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
[spoiler]I think it's a really cool thought that the manhugger thingy was the first time it had evolved in that particular way and that it would then go onto adapt into the really concise breeding cycle that's seen in the other films (and take on a much more portable size)!
[/spoiler]
That doesn't really hold up as they had a mural of an all ready evolved
Xenomorph on the ceiling, so they must have encountered this form before.
(http://i.imgur.com/xRSai.jpg)
Oh, but just to quickly add the things I didn't like (because I did generally love it)...
The crew weren't interesting and absorbing. In Alien you're just lumped on the ship and you get to know the characters just by watching them go about their thing, so they feel like real people. In this they were written much more like traditional movie characters, all fitting some kind of archetype and all having their own little introductory speech or conversation, so they just didn't feel as real. The co-pilots in particular didn't seem to get any camera-time at all really, [spoiler]meaning when they sacrificed themselves it really couldn't get more than a meh from the audience.[/spoiler] Idris Elba was great as always though.
The Scottish actress. I know she's in Game of Thrones but I don't remember her being appalling in that. In this she's genuinely atrocious, every time she spoke it sounded wooden and forced.
The rushed nature of it all. Particularly the infection of [spoiler]Holloway and the impregnation of Noomi's character both felt like threads that needed room to breathe. I'd like to have seen the movie half an hour longer with Holloway slowly and disturbingly being changed, and Noomi's pregnancy was so brief it just felt thrown in so that the cesarian scene could exist.[/spoiler] Saying that, I did find that scene really skin-crawlingly creepy, just the resolve to get in and do that really got under my skin somehow.
That's about it though, and they're not huge complaints given how much I enjoyed the film as a whole. I do hope there's a longer cut somewhere which breathes a lot more, hopefully the blu-ray will sort that out?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 June, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 June, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
[spoiler]I think it's a really cool thought that the manhugger thingy was the first time it had evolved in that particular way and that it would then go onto adapt into the really concise breeding cycle that's seen in the other films (and take on a much more portable size)!
[/spoiler]
That doesn't really hold up as they had a mural of an all ready evolved Xenomorph on the ceiling, so they must have encountered this form before.
(http://i.imgur.com/xRSai.jpg)
Drat. Although even if it wasn't the first [spoiler]'hugger' it's still nice to think that they evolved into or were crafted into smaller predators more fit for the purpose (if that purpose was quickly infecting humanity).[/spoiler]
Basically Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Especially that flute.
Well she does [spoiler]fuck String.[/spoiler]
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 June, 2012, 02:37:10 PM
They tried eliminating us 2000 years ago because we'd discovered that boiled eggs and a flute were the key to intersellar travel.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 07 June, 2012, 05:11:41 PM
Ron Burgundy is the apex of humanity, judging by that detail.
SkyRockets in FlightQuote from: TordelBack on 07 June, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 June, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Basically Charlize and the Chocolate Factory.
FTFY.
Truer than you think after the accordian-man took her in her quarters.
(http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/space-jockey.jpg)
I still like the flute.
WHERE'S MY PERIOD AT STRING, HUH? WHERE THE FUCK IS MY PERIOD?
From Jon & Al Kaplan, creators of current off-Broadway hit Silence! (the Silence of the Lambs musical): Aliens the Musical.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNoe95IxpsiQ%26feature%3Dplcp&feature=plcp&v=Noe95IxpsiQ&gl=GB (http://m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNoe95IxpsiQ%26feature%3Dplcp&feature=plcp&v=Noe95IxpsiQ&gl=GB)
So, anyway. That Space Jockey we see in ALIEN. What's the deal with that?
He was just a regular guy doing his job.
He rang for pizza and no one came.
The whole movie is the equivalent of Al Pacino in old person make-up keeling over at the end of Godfather 3.
Quote from: bikini kill on 07 June, 2012, 07:03:12 AM
Are you using red and blue text against a field of white to honour the hundred year reign of our beloved monarch, Beaky?
:lol:
Quote from: dyl on 07 June, 2012, 02:37:34 PM
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232 (http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232)
I remember thinking uh oh when shaw said they'd been dead for 2000 years. The last question in this interview shows what they almost went for, very naff!! The fact that they didn't but still left the seeds in the script sums up the film for me.
Uh oh, I feel a theology thread coming on, run for your lives people... be afraid, be very afraid...
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 June, 2012, 11:07:19 PM
So, anyway. That Space Jockey we see in ALIEN. What's the deal with that?
I was wondering if we'd get an answer to that question. Alas, no.
Prometheus DOES raise an interesting question in that regard. [spoiler]For one thing we know that the Engineer the crew revived isn't the same one as we saw in Alien - can't be. After all, he got mouth-molested and body-bursted (god that was hideous!) on the lifeboat, nowhere near the chair contraption.[/spoiler]
Also, [spoiler]remember when the crewmen found the pile of dead Engineers, some of whom had been burst open from within? Just WHAT happened with those guys? And WHAT were they running from in the holo-recordings? [/spoiler]
That's the sort of stuff I don't mind being left without a firm answer to. If Prometheus part 2 (or even 3) clears that up, I'll be happy.
I was a bit disappointed that the engineer they woke up was nothing but a psycho baddie. It would have been more interesting if they weren't bad but just had a different more 'alien' morality. Like they're just trying to create the best lifeform that they can - something totally perfect and adaptable and the biological stuff they were taking to Earth was just their latest version - something that would 'upgrade' humanity. After all a xenomorph is part human on a genetic level.
They could have used this as an explanation of leaps in evolution in the past - the cro-magnon, neanderthal and all that.
This was even suggested with David who wanted to become more human. The humans just saw him as a 'thing' and would have no compunctions about replacing him with an upgrade or making him obsolete.
I do get the impression there's an untold story there regarding the Engineer's reaction to the humans.
That's what frustrates me about the movie. I'd have liked to get some inkling of that story, instead of the sense that it was a plot thread potentially waiting to be stretched out in the next episode.
I actually liked that it was really ambiguous, after all so was Alien and part of the allure of the mythology in the first place was that you only saw a tiny snapshot of the big picture so didn't get a precise understanding of the outer edges. I know me and my mates have speculated for years about the space jockey, and I'm glad that Prometheus has left us with some fresh stuff to speculate about.
I wasn't all that enamared with it to be honest. It really did fell like a remake of Planet of the Vampires TBH.
Still decent enough and at least it explained some things (even if they wheren't what we where expecting to get answers for) and i'd be happy to see a sequal/ Triqual at some point to rap things up further and give us a conclusive story.
Glad I've seen it now and glad I avoided this thread - spoilertastic it has become.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 08 June, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
I actually liked that it was really ambiguous, after all so was Alien and part of the allure of the mythology in the first place was that you only saw a tiny snapshot of the big picture so didn't get a precise understanding of the outer edges. I know me and my mates have speculated for years about the space jockey, and I'm glad that Prometheus has left us with some fresh stuff to speculate about.
Ambiguous? The Engineer didn't seem very ambiguous to me. He wanted to kill everyone and had a big smile on his face while he was doing it!
I suppose it may have been an alien smile that isn't really a smile but instead signifies sorrow or some shit?
Quote from: JamesC on 09 June, 2012, 01:24:12 AM
Ambiguous? The Engineer didn't seem very ambiguous to me. He wanted to kill everyone and had a big smile on his face while he was doing it!
I suppose it may have been an alien smile that isn't really a smile but instead signifies sorrow or some shit?
He was the
gimp of the Alien crew and was locked in cryo-sleep after the last sex-game before they were all killed.
:lol:
Anyone on here caught a 2nd viewing of this yet? And if so, did it change your opinion of the film to any degree?
Might try and catch it again over the weekend.
Quote from: JamesC on 09 June, 2012, 01:24:12 AM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 08 June, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
I actually liked that it was really ambiguous, after all so was Alien and part of the allure of the mythology in the first place was that you only saw a tiny snapshot of the big picture so didn't get a precise understanding of the outer edges. I know me and my mates have speculated for years about the space jockey, and I'm glad that Prometheus has left us with some fresh stuff to speculate about.
Ambiguous? The Engineer didn't seem very ambiguous to me. He wanted to kill everyone and had a big smile on his face while he was doing it!
I suppose it may have been an alien smile that isn't really a smile but instead signifies sorrow or some shit?
Yeah, [spoiler]clearly he was trying to kill them, but why? The motives of the Engineers are never explained, nor the whole backstory of what they were up to in the first place. There's a ton of ambiguity in the film. I was replying to HdE's comment that he'd rather have a lot more backstory or explanation for why the Engineer's attitudes to humans are the way they are, I personally like that it isn't there.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 08 June, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
I actually liked that it was really ambiguous . . .
And once again someone invokes the 'A' word. I don't recall there being
anything in PROMETHEARSE that's open to interpretation, merely things that haven't been explained.
In BLADE RUNNER (the two latter versions, at least), there's an actual
reason for us to question Deckard's humanity. That's ambiguity. PROMETHEARSE, however, conveys no information other than exactly what we're told. It's muddled, yes, and sometimes vague but that doesn't make it ambiguous. The Engineers' motives, say, and wondering about what they might be. That's
speculation.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 09 June, 2012, 11:22:01 AM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 08 June, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
I actually liked that it was really ambiguous . . .
And once again someone invokes the 'A' word. I don't recall there being anything in PROMETHEARSE that's open to interpretation, merely things that haven't been explained.
In BLADE RUNNER (the two latter versions, at least), there's an actual reason for us to question Deckard's humanity. That's ambiguity. PROMETHEARSE, however, conveys no information other than exactly what we're told. It's muddled, yes, and sometimes vague but that doesn't make it ambiguous. The Engineers' motives, say, and wondering about what they might be. That's speculation.
Apologies, it's entirely possible that my understanding of the definition of the word "ambiguous" is out of whack. To rephrase, all that stuff I mentioned that I liked? I still like it, but not because it was ambiguous, I like it because it was open to
speculation.
As much as I did love it though, I still had to chuckle when a mate pointed this out to me...
(http://i.imgur.com/oDzET.jpg)
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 09 June, 2012, 11:43:49 AM
I still like it, but not because it was ambiguous, I like it because it was open to speculation.
Sure thing. It does seem, though, a fair few people are using 'ambiguous' to vindicate the movie's shortcomings with regard its narrative. There's plenty of speculation on this very forum about what might happen in a possible DREDD sequel. Doesn't mean DREDD itself is an ambiguous film.
It's disappointing that, as par for the course with an Alien film, there's copious amounts of vagina but not a single bush between them.
well i saw this tonight, enjoyed it imensly, yes it does have a few plot holes big enough to drive a bus through but it looked spectacular, had a few decent scares (no where near as scary as Alien though) and enoughdepth to keep me SPECULATING on several plot points. It is obvious that its not a complete work and definatly the opener to a new franchise, I'd say probably two movies from being Alien, there's definatly enough left open to fill a movie or two, i'd love the second movie to be about[spoiler] Shaw and David Head finding the Engineers planet and bringing down the wrath of humans upon them, they've developed a pretty nasty Bio-weapon from the black goo that they're gonna release on the Engineers![/spoiler]
Good but not great they had to leave it open ended incase it does major biz a the biox office i guess. Anyone know how it's tracking?
CU Radbacker
$67.5 million so far. About half of its reported budget.
Box Office Mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=prometheus.htm)
Watched this today, and even going in expecting nothing after the reviews it was still astonishingly poor.
Dialogue was appalling in places, characters did things that made no sense at all - and I noticed that they didn't even bother to name most of them.
The writing was really shoddy and it was waaay too long. And I like long movies.
I mean, why the hell bring along a geologist who[spoiler] hates everyone?[/spoiler] [spoiler]Hardly good for the team?[/spoiler] Or a biologist who elects to [spoiler]bugger off with the geologist who hates him as soon as they find a dead alien body?[/spoiler]
Notice I don't know the names of these characters... but [spoiler]their death scene [/spoiler]was one of the few good ones in the movie, [spoiler]even if it happened because the biologist was a total dick.[/spoiler]
And don't get me started on the final scene... it just screamed of the film company wanting to [spoiler]have an alien in their Alien movie.[/spoiler]
It will be owned by Madagascar 3: The Killening.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 09 June, 2012, 08:20:59 PM
And don't get me started on the final scene . . .
What I don't get is the entire film might as well dovetail into ALIEN . . . yet [spoiler]it's set on a different planet[/spoiler]. Which, yes, does allow Scott to do something a bit different but then why not actually
do something different, y'know? Something featuring the Space Jockeys as ancient astronauts (sorry TordelBack) but
without the constant nods to ALIEN?
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 09 June, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 09 June, 2012, 08:20:59 PM
And don't get me started on the final scene . . .
What I don't get is the entire film might as well dovetail into ALIEN . . . yet [spoiler]it's set on a different planet[/spoiler]. Which, yes, does allow Scott to do something a bit different but then why not actually do something different, y'know? Something featuring the Space Jockeys as ancient astronauts (sorry TordelBack) but without the constant nods to ALIEN?
Only just realised it wasn't [spoiler]LV-426[/spoiler]...
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 09 June, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
What I don't get is the entire film might as well dovetail into ALIEN . . . yet [spoiler]it's set on a different planet[/spoiler]. Which, yes, does allow Scott to do something a bit different but then why not actually do something different, y'know?
This!
Youve seen the film, now buy the dollies action figures. No word yet, if boiled eggs and flutes are included.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZUyqF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/u0mqI.jpg)
http://necaonline.com/34497/blog/press-releases/prometheus-has-landed/
http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/08/sam-strange-remembers-prometheus/
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 09 June, 2012, 08:20:59 PM
The writing was really shoddy and it was waaay too long. And I like long movies.
Can't say as I agree with your comments about the dialogue - although there are a few lines that certainly sound wonky to my ears, I won't deny.
But too long? Personally, I think the problem withthe movie is that it's not long ENOUGH! I could easily have watched another hour of it. Imagine if we'd got a 3-hour monster of a movie that allowed the time required to let some of those frustratingly under-developed ideas breathe and grow more organically.
Just to stress again, I liked this movie quite a bit. I've found myself wanting to see it again, in spite of my complaints against it. But I do think the comments that have been made about there being no director's cut later are disappointing. The theatrical cut we've all seen is something of a hatchet job.
And has anyone noticed how there were scenes in the trailers that never made it into the final movie? That's low. As is the whole 'misinformation' thing that seems to have become a method for promoting movies.
I was personally intrigued after reading on Wikipedia (ages before the movie came out) about Patrick Wilson's role as 'The Coccooned Man'. And where does he show up in the movie? In a blink-and-miss role as Shaw's father.
That frustrated the hell out of me.
Director's Cut now please, Mr. Scott. Because your public are speaking voluminous words of truth about your movie, both positive and negative.
QuoteImagine if we'd got a 3-hour monster of a movie that allowed the time required to let some of those frustratingly under-developed ideas breathe and grow more organically.
Or they could just have worked on the script they already had and turned it into a working story.
QuoteDirector's Cut now please, Mr. Scott.
Well, Scott is always claiming that the cut of his movie that goes out to the cinema is the director's cut, so we've probably already seen it.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 10 June, 2012, 06:26:51 PM
QuoteDirector's Cut now please, Mr. Scott.
Well, Scott is always claiming that the cut of his movie that goes out to the cinema is the director's cut, so we've probably already seen it.
I wouldnt bet against seeing some kinda alternative version at some point. Given Scott's past usage of the DVD format. Though, personally, i dont think recutting will correct the faults in the film.
I think we all need to remember that it is Lindy-Hop's fault as well.
Quote from: HdE on 10 June, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
But too long? Personally, I think the problem withthe movie is that it's not long ENOUGH! I could easily have watched another hour of it. Imagine if we'd got a 3-hour monster of a movie that allowed the time required to let some of those frustratingly under-developed ideas breathe and grow more organically.
Adding another hour to the film's runtime would only make it more bloated than it already is. Those ideas need refining not more self-indulgence. All that gubbins at the beginning with the [spoiler]seeding of humanity[/spoiler] and the cave discovery serves no real purpose. That's five minutes that could've been better used at some other point, say, to convey some comparative aspects of Sumerian, Greek, and Judeo-Christian belief to give PROMETHEARSE some much-needed scope to all its [spoiler]sub von Däniken nonsense[/spoiler]; instead, its all about the waterfalls and some hilariously crass suggestion that [spoiler]Jesus[/spoiler] was a space jockey.
EP is correct about the prospects of Extended Prometheus. Hopefully some young turk will see this and will learn about the importance of good editing and conciseity in movies and some good will have come from it.
SHAMETHEUS
PROBEMEARSE?
OWNED BY MADAGASCAR 3
Tordelback, this one's for you (via Richmond -seriously is that his name- Clements):
http://digitaldigging.net/prometheus-an-archaeological-perspective/
Finally saw this today at the IMAX. Visually it's great, and about half an hour in I found myself thinking "you know, this is actually pretty good" - but then the film just disintegrated into a confusing, muddled mess. The 'Caesarian' scene is where it lost me completely and I started to laugh at it.
I'm genuinely amazed they thought they had a script worth spending so much money on - its a load of plodding, half-baked, poorly thought out nonsense. Pacing is atrocious and it's impossible to grasp any of the characters motivations, the vast majority of whom are entirely redundant anyway. You could pick holes in that script all day.
2/5
I actually think Avatar is a superior movie. Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't watch either again by choice, but at least Avatar tells a COHERENT story. I understand WHY its characters are doing the things they are doing. It has a beginning, middle, and a conclusion that draws all the plot strands together to deliver the film's wider message. The characters - even the supporting ones - have natural, satisfying arcs that you could plot on a graph.
Prometheus felt like you could chop it up and switch all the scenes around and it would make just as much (or little...) sense as it does in it's current form.
It frustrates me that people want to like Prometheus soooo much that they are willing to project so much onto it - there's a difference between an open-ended, ambiguous story and just plain bad storytelling.
And before anyone says it, my Avatar analogy doesnt mean I want every film to be safe and predictable, but I can also tell when I'm being pissed on and told its raining.
Cameron was always a better director than Scott and he can write.
To me Ridley Scott is Tim Burton who likes Moebius and Giger instead of Vincent Price and Edward Gorey. Both equally bad at telling stories.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 10 June, 2012, 12:18:47 PM
Youve seen the film, now buy the action figures.
And thus the REAL reason why the studio greenlit Prometheus is finally unveiled...
Urgh, so much vague, clueless gesturing at big themes and ideas, and to sum up the films grand themes... it just sort of shrugs and says "something about creating life, or faith... or whatever".
A colossaly pretentious film, that totally ducks out of saying anything of any substance at all about anything.
Right, enough whining, it's late.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 10 June, 2012, 08:12:25 PM
Adding another hour to the film's runtime would only make it more bloated than it already is. Those ideas need refining not more self-indulgence.
See, I didn't think the movie was 'bloated' at all. It felt to me like it cracked along at a fair lick, and whatever else I can say about the movie, whatever faults I perceived, I was certainly never bored. Remember - I'm in the camp that enjoyed the movie in spite of finding shortcomings left right and center.
I'd be intrigued to see how a longer cut of the movie played out. For one thing, I'd like to see if those big ideas that were being touted in the movie's pre-release fanfare would get any more exposure, or even if (whisper it softly) they were barely ever there in the first place.
For now, at least, what it is is what it is. I hope we DO get an alternate version at some point, because the movie's flaws really do detract from it quite noticeably, and my hope is that there's something on the cutting room floor that papers over some of the cracks. Optimistic? Possibly.
Radiator's point about people 'projecting' stuff onto the movie is interesting, because I've seen a lot of quite deep discussion online that's been provoked by it. I've also seen a few folks insisting the movie is a disaster, that people who like it are somehow delusional or in denial (ugh. Enough with that juvenile shit, already!) and conversely that the film is a masterpiece. I'm really quite surprised at the variety of different reactions to it!
Personally, I don't think it's a deep movie at all. Those 'big questions' are all handled to a one in a cack-handed, dumbed-down Hollywood fashion, just as I predicted when the chatter started way, way back. Radiator's last post puts better than I could have with regard to that. It's a monsters-jump-on-people-adventures-in-space movie, I think. Nothing more, nothing less.
Oh, but it's got Noomi Rapace in it. I fancy her. That definitely helps. ;)
Agh, can't sleep - had waaaay too much caffeine earlier...
I think there IS a little delusion going on with regards to this film in certain quarters, yes. A lot of people seem to want to bend over backwards to make allowances for the dreadful, nonsensical story (or 'speculating'), and are debating it in far deeper terms than the material warrants.
I was in denial about The Phantom Menace for a long time. I had worked myself up so much back then that I couldn't even comprehend the possibility that I might NOT like it. It wasn't until a few years later with the benefit of hindsight that I could see it for the stinker it was.
I have no doubt that if Prometheus had NO ties to Alien whatsoever it would be getting a near-universal panning. Thought of in those terms, it isn't really that different to something like Mission to Mars/Red Planet.
It'll probably sell quite well on DVD, but I would bet money that those DVDs will do little but gather dust and Prometheus will be a largely forgotten footnote in the Alien story a few years from now.
It does look nice, though.
Quote from: radiator on 11 June, 2012, 04:10:23 AM
Agh, can't sleep - had waaaay too much caffeine earlier...
Oh, I know that feeling! Just nodded off only to be awakened 15 minutes later by my neighbours doing God-Only-Knows-What next door.
Quote from: radiator on 11 June, 2012, 04:10:23 AM
I think there IS a little delusion going on with regards to this film in certain quarters, yes. A lot of people seem to want to bend over backwards to make allowances for the dreadful, nonsensical story (or 'speculating'), and are debating it in far deeper terms than the material warrants.
Trouble is, this is the sort of statement that causes trouble. 'Dreadful' and 'nonsensical' are surely expressions of personal taste / opinion? Granted, we're talking about a movie with faults, but some of the stuff that's been pointed out can be waved away with a 'just go with it' attitude.
Personally, I'm more inclined to believe that folks who are seeing the movie and saying they liked it might - GASP! -
actually like it! Most of the folks I'm seeing who have positive things to say seem to have enjoyed the movie on the level I did - spotting problems but having fun with what works.
You could also turn the whole delusion / denial thing on it's head and aim it back at the more vocal detractors. I've seen comments criticising Fassbender's performance as 'wooden' and the SFX as 'naff'. Now, to me, that sort of smacks of 'what else could I possibly say about this movie to put across that I didn't like it?' Some folks are really losing their cool with each other over this stuff online, and that makes me alternately groan and giggle when I see it. Nobody gets to define the quality of something for somebody else. That's just stupid.
I should hasten to add: Not meaning these comments as a dig at / argument with you, Radiator. Just remarking on something I've observed some places where I've seen discussion of the movie.
I'm just noticing that I'm posting A LOT in this thread. Heh! Sorry fellas - I just find the reception of this movie fascinating.
AND! There's a lot of interesting stuff being said online right now.
I dunno if you guys are seeing any of the discussion about Prometheus' box office performance? There's apparently been a 25% drop in ticket sales already (although there are also still territories where the movie has yet to open, according to some websites). Sounds kinda grim. But then again, I think it's way too early to say whether that'll mean bad news for hopes of a franchise.
Lindelhof also has gone on record in an interview saying that a sequel is by no means a foregone conclusion, and even makes a veiled indication that he may not be attached as writer should it come to pass. Good golly gosh... could this herald the return of... M. NIGHT SHYAMAL-- Aaaahhh! I got ya there! [Chortle!] But no, seriously - everything before that was true.
I also see that there seems to be no let up in the viral marketing. Apparently there's a new website that offers a few teases as to what might be coming next... and when! Seriously, there's a date that seems to be having a big deal made out of it. That's sparked a fair bit of conversation and speculation. What could it mean? Some folks have suggested all sorts of ideas, including the home video release date. That seems unlikely in my opinion. Why go to that extra length to promote it?
Could it be we've got more Prometheus stuff in store before the end of the year???
I think the fact that, of the 10 of us who went to see the film yesterday, no one fully understood it, and many had conflicting theories as to what the story was. There were certain plot points that NO ONE could explain why they were in the film at all and what purpose they served the story. Even on this thread, people are positing rather contrived explanations of what the film is about.
I think that's pretty categorically what you'd call a 'nonsensical' story.
There is letting your audience draw their own conclusions, then there is not even giving them enough information to be able to.
I'm not saying no one got any genuine enjoyment out of the film - there were certain moments in it even I enjoyed - but you're in denial if you think it's any other than a deeply, deeply flawed film and a poorly written script. It's like when your favourite band make a shit album. You still kinda like it because, you know, theyre your favourite band.
Quote from: HdE on 11 June, 2012, 03:17:08 AM
Personally, I don't think it's a deep movie at all. Those 'big questions' are all handled to a one in a cack-handed, dumbed-down Hollywood fashion, just as I predicted when the chatter started way, way back. Radiator's last post puts better than I could have with regard to that. It's a monsters-jump-on-people-adventures-in-space movie, I think. Nothing more, nothing less.
On that, we're agreed. The problem is what little mystery there is in PROMETHEARSE doesn't unfold it simply gets explained. By superfluous and mostly annoying characters doing illogical things during random set-pieces borrowed from ALIEN thrown together in an unfocused, dramatically unsatisfying mess of a film.
I can't see another hour improving on that when there was already sufficient time to tell a fun, coherent tale about how life here began out there, far across the universe.
Watching the geekworld tie itself in knots over this film has made me completely change my mind- im now definitely going to see the bloody thing, and cant wait to do so. But first, i want to rewatch Alien, as i havent seen it in years.
A young lady at my work, fresh out of university where she'd been studying psychology (but not spelling, if her reports are to go by) saw it and proclaimed it 'one of the best films she's ever seen'. Since she's a huge fan of scorcese and coppola and burton, and reckons the godfather to be the greatest film ever made (with pulp fiction a close second), this should prove interesting...
SBT
OMG, she likes movies that are actually good, shame on her.
I actually thought the script for Alien: Harvest had some interesting ideas in it. The notion that the titular Aliens were originally tiny insect-like beings that were developed to terraform planets is cool, and I always imagined the Space Jockeys to be an unknowable alien intelligence - not outright evil but mysterious and a little sinister.
The bumsex might have been a bit much for a summer blockbuster audience though - especially in IMAX 3d.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 June, 2012, 10:03:52 AM
Watching the geekworld tie itself in knots over this film has made me completely change my mind- im now definitely going to see the bloody thing, and cant wait to do so.
Having no real interest in the ALIEN franchise beyond Giger's involvement, my problems with PROMETHEARSE aren't geek-related. I just wanted to watch a well-made film and be entertained by it.
Quote from: radiator on 11 June, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
I actually thought the script for Alien: Harvest had some interesting ideas in it. The notion that the titular Aliens were originally tiny insect-like beings that were developed to terraform planets is cool, and I always imagined the Space Jockeys to be an unknowable alien intelligence - not outright evil but mysterious and a little sinister.
The bumsex might have been a bit much for a summer blockbuster audience though - especially in IMAX 3d.
Didn't Joe Spaiths say that was a fake script.
Quote from: radiator on 11 June, 2012, 09:46:34 AM
I think the fact that, of the 10 of us who went to see the film yesterday...
Completely agree with you. I try to get across to people that it was a poor
film, not that I disagreed with the expansion of the Alien universe or anything. But I just get labelled 'Fanboy' and ignored. Many people do seem to be in a state of denial about the poor quality of this film, and hopefully time will recitify that.
One of the guys in the group I saw it with proclaimed it to be brilliant and 'better than The Avengers', but then he's a die-hard contrary pillock and I'd expect no different - he actually tried to use the excuse of "It's a film about spaceships and aliens, it doesn't need to make sense" ::). It actually got a little heated in the pub afterwards between a couple of the guys.
I could list plot holes, inconsistencies and other problems with this film all day. Just off the top of my head:
[spoiler]Not-Tom-Hardy getting all despondent and drunk because... erm, why? Because all the Engineers were dead? How could he possibly know that? Five minutes later he's fine again and apparently sober. Why? Because of the black goo? If so that's horseshit.
The geologist losing his rag and shouting at everyone. Again - why? Because he's an angry man? The biologist going with the guy who has expressed a dislike for him. Why?
David was sort of a likable character, but I couldn't discern what the point of him was. Was he supposed to be a sympathetic character or not? I'm all for moral ambiguity, but this was so cack-handed - he was following orders from Weyland? His plot had no resolution or purpose.
Old man make-up. Why why why why why? Looked like future Biff from Back to the Future 2. Utterly ludricrous, and got laughed at by the audience.
Charlize Theron's character - could have been cut from the film entirely, and that twist? As pointless as it was predictable.
The Convenient Cure-anything Surgery Machineâ„¢.
The Magic Flute. Are they having a laugh?
The C-Section - another ludicrous addition. Surely anyone with any sense at all could see even in storyboard form this scene was just wrong wrong wrong.
Why show Shaw picking up an axe, and show a close up of the axe, if she never uses the axe? Isn't that breaking one of the first rules of screenwriting?
Shaw: "You have to crash into the alien ship and sacrifice yourself, he's heading to Earth or something". Captain: "OK, fair enough BYE!".
The exploding head scene - can anyone give me a convincing explanation as to what the hell that was all about and what purpose it served in the story?
Not-Tom-Hardy looking a bit poorly one minute, then literally five minutes later looking like a flaky zombie. Bizarre.
Terrible, terrible dialogue and line deliveries in abundance. Especially the Scottish medic.
The pacing - lots of build up, then a lot of random stuff happening all in the space of five minutes.
Shockingly bad accents by two of the leads - why not just let them speak with their own accents? Wouldn't harm the story one iota.
Two people getting lost in a giant circular corridor, despite having a map. And what's more - no one seeming particularly concerned about this - the captain apparently finding it funny(?), mugging to the camera as he relays the information to them over the radio. Why?
An unintentionally hilarious scene of people trying to run away from a giant circular rolling spaceship, when all they needed to do to avoid it was leap a few feet left or right. Compounded by the fact one of the characters eventually decided to do just that a minute later.
The prologue was confusing. I thought something had gone wrong with the black gunk as the engineer seemed to be in pain. A nice visual, but could have been clearer.
The entire plot about the engineers creating life, then deciding to wipe us all out was a huge load of cobblers and made no sense at all. Even with that information, it doesn't explain why they were all dead except that one guy. And the one moment when it looked like we might get an interesting scene of exposition, the engineer just wakes up and kills everyone. Why? I refer you to this text message exchange: [/spoiler]http://enchantedmitten.blogspot.co.uk/2003/12/reading-previous-entries-in-this-series.html (http://enchantedmitten.blogspot.co.uk/2003/12/reading-previous-entries-in-this-series.html)
[spoiler]We aren't told but are led to believe that this is mankind's first contact with alien life - so why does no one seem at all fazed or excited? Where was the sense of wonder and discovery before the horror set in?
In Alien, the creature is mysterious, but we get enough information to gradually piece together at least part of it's life cycle - but there's absolutely no hint of logic to how the black goo works.
"I still have faith and you don't because I'm human and you're a robot". That's the summing up of the film's grand theme's is it? How insightful.
In a world of interstellar travel, astoundingly lifelike androids and cryogenic freezing, you're seriously trying to tell me there is no cure/solution for infertility?
So the aliens left us instructions for how to find their homeworld? Ok, makes sense. Oh, it's a... military base now? Right.
Perhaps the biggest thing of all - I would stake money on the fact that the planet was originally LV-426 in an earlier draft - why else include the majestic, ominous reveal of the navigation chair, the symbolic shape of the engineer ship crashing in a similar position to the one found in Alien etc? And then they mangled it when they decided to try and spin a franchise out of it.[/spoiler]
AAAAARRGGGHHHHH THIS FILM IS FOOKIN WANK.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 11 June, 2012, 09:52:03 AM
Quote from: HdE on 11 June, 2012, 03:17:08 AM
Personally, I don't think it's a deep movie at all. Those 'big questions' are all handled to a one in a cack-handed, dumbed-down Hollywood fashion, just as I predicted when the chatter started way, way back. Radiator's last post puts better than I could have with regard to that. It's a monsters-jump-on-people-adventures-in-space movie, I think. Nothing more, nothing less.
On that, we're agreed. The problem is what little mystery there is in PROMETHEARSE doesn't unfold it simply gets explained. By superfluous and mostly annoying characters doing illogical things during random set-pieces borrowed from ALIEN thrown together in an unfocused, dramatically unsatisfying mess of a film.
I can't see another hour improving on that when there was already sufficient time to tell a fun, coherent tale about how life here began out there, far across the universe.
Well, I'm kinda musing over the miraculous possibility that, were that extra hour to suddenly appear in a new cut, maybe it would contain stuff that makes sense of the more frustrating flubs. Remember how the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven was lauded as 'completely changing' the movie? It can happen. Although I certainly feel like that's a grasping hope in this case. I didn't think the movie was a mess - I certainly had no trouble following it, anyway - but I'd like to see it maybe re-jigged to explain itself and its characters a little better. There's TONNES of room for improvement in that regard.
On the point of characters doing illogical things, though... I actually think that's a bit of a trope of these sorts of movies anyway. The ol'
'why take a shotgun into the cellar when I can take a flashlight' thing. Again, there's stuff in Prometheus that made me wince, but some of it I could forgive.
The scene that was nearly cut (http://blastr.com/2012/06/the-gruesome-prometheus-s.php)!!!
QuoteWell, I'm kinda musing over the miraculous possibility that, were that extra hour to suddenly appear in a new cut, maybe it would contain stuff that makes sense of the more frustrating flubs.
Yes. If they can explain with a clever scene why, for example, nobody seemed to have met each other until they defrosted after the trip, or why they left their helmets behind when in the pyramid, or how a woman can run and jump after performing major abdominal surgery on herself, or why her boyfriend had a sudden character change, or why Charlize Theron was there at all, I'd be very interested in seeing it.
You're clutching, hde - these people are supposed to be scientists/professionals and they behave, to a man, like fucking idiots. No one did anything that stupid and illogical in Alien.
I could FOLLOW the story perfectly fine, but it didn't make a lick of sense from beginning to end. You're right, it's not a mess, it's a screenwriting clusterfuck.
There's stuff to enjoy - mainly the visuals - but plot-wise I'm afraid it's an unsalvagable write-off.
This film reminded me of Phantom Menace in a LOT of ways.
Fellas - I'm *quite aware* that what I posted above was a big ask. Check again and you'll see I even stated that. So let's just bring things down a notch, eh?
Anyways - regardless of what peeps think of the movie, maybe this'll raise a chuckle:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5gx3pW2s41rnel2io1_r2_1280.jpg)
ha! Nice!
Quote from: radiator on 11 June, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
This film reminded me of Phantom Menace in a LOT of ways.
Especially the bit were the Gungans came out of the water.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 11 June, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
or why Charlize Theron was there at all
She's there because Vickers [spoiler]might also be an android[/spoiler]. How this actually serves the plot, hey. Your guess is good as mine but that's ambiguity for you.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 11 June, 2012, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 11 June, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
or why Charlize Theron was there at all
She's there because Vickers [spoiler]might also be an android[/spoiler]. How this actually serves the plot, hey. Your guess is good as mine but that's ambiguity for you.
Nah, she's there to fuck the black dude so they'll conveniently be out of the control room and not notice two of the crew being attacked by a big white vagina/willy in the chamber.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 June, 2012, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 11 June, 2012, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 11 June, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
or why Charlize Theron was there at all
She's there because Vickers [spoiler]might also be an android[/spoiler]. How this actually serves the plot, hey. Your guess is good as mine but that's ambiguity for you.
Nah, she's there to fuck the black dude so they'll conveniently be out of the control room and not notice two of the crew being attacked by a big white vagina/willy in the chamber.
Well, as he was laughing at those two crew members being stranded in an unknown alien environment overnight in a deadly storm, I don't think he would care.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 11 June, 2012, 10:25:06 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 June, 2012, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 11 June, 2012, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 11 June, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
or why Charlize Theron was there at all
She's there because Vickers [spoiler]might also be an android[/spoiler]. How this actually serves the plot, hey. Your guess is good as mine but that's ambiguity for you.
Stringers winking to the lads about their ship mates predicament was probably the funniest part of the film.
Nah, she's there to fuck the black dude so they'll conveniently be out of the control room and not notice two of the crew being attacked by a big white vagina/willy in the chamber.
Well, as he was laughing at those two crew members being stranded in an unknown alien environment overnight in a deadly storm, I don't think he would care.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 June, 2012, 10:17:48 PM
Nah, she's there to fuck the black dude so they'll conveniently be out of the control room and not notice two of the crew being attacked by a big white vagina/willy in the chamber.
I got nothing, then. It really is all just random bollocks.
WELL!
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/06/ridley-scott-says-there-will-be-an-extended-cut-of-prometheus-on-blu-ray
Longer version of bad dialogue, bad acting and a bad story.
Ha ha, listening to the insane amount of pro-vs-con debates surrounding this film is fascinating for someone who hasn't seen it, and considering what I've heard/read about it, confirms I made the right decision not to, I'll be able to enjoy Alien in blissful ignorance of the gratuitous retcon that Sir Ridley has done... shame many others won't be able to do the same!
You know your film's fucked when RedLetterMedia start doing videos about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-x1YuvUQFJ0
http://redlettermedia.com/
I love all the "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT MEANT TO GIVE YOU ALL ANSWERS" comments beneath.
Quote
Rapace said it had an effect on her even when the cameras were off.
"I was in complete psychological meltdown when we were doing those scenes," she said. "I felt feverish and I was dreaming these really crazy, dark twisted dreams. It affected me a lot. I was really not well."
Are you sure acting's for you, Noomi?
I'm, enjoying all this discussion/criticism a lot more than I did the movie
Quotelove all the "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT MEANT TO GIVE YOU ALL ANSWERS" comments beneath.
I like the common reaction to criticism of this film: "
You just don't understand it - you should go and watch Battleship or Transformers because all you want from a film is mindless action".No.
Bollocks.
This film is one giant plot hole - every bit as dumb, flimsy, vacuous and cynical as any Michael Bay flick, and it's
you who doesn't understand. And at least Transformers and Battleship have no pretensions about what they are.
The Kermode review was disappointing - a general air of "
Well, at least it had big ideas", "at least it was trying to answer big questions". I can't quite wrap my brain around that, perhaps he's unfamiliar with the dictionary definition of the word 'pretentious':
Quote1. making claim to distinction or importance, esp undeservedly
2. having or creating a deceptive outer appearance of great worth; ostentatious
Can't believe that more people aren't calling bullshit on this film - are people's standards so low now that it is no longer a key requirement of a film to make some kind of sense?
QuoteI'm, enjoying all this discussion/criticism a lot more than I did the movie
Me too, evidently. I do think that the ingredients were there for a solid movie - if I genuinely hated it or found it completely boring then I wouldn't be at all interested in picking it apart to such a degree.
For balance, I will say that I thought the 3d was great - first film I've seen where it wasn't distracting or annoying (beyond the odd bit of ghosting/double vision).
Del Toro has said that Prometheus has likely put paid to any 'At The Mountains of Madness' movie for a good long while, as they tell basically the same story, have the same set-pieces and the same 'twist' at the end. I cant provide a link because i read it in a magazine in a newsagents like it was 1985 not 2012. It was SFX, in their 'development hell' section.
Why has nobody mentioned this in this thread? I want to see it a bit more now.
SBT
That story has cropped up a few times, SBT. Possibly not in this thread, but it's out there.
Having read the synopsis for ATMOM on Wikipedia (I know, I know), it doesn't sound *that* similar, beyond a few broad themes.
Del Toro mentioned it on the forum of his official site before Prometheus was released, he said when he heard the title 'Prometheus' he knew that the ideas were too similar to his own and that Giger was very much channelling Lovecraft in the designs anyway.
There's an ATMOM script floatin' round the web if you want to know more.
Quote from: radiator on 12 June, 2012, 01:19:44 PM
The Kermode review was disappointing - a general air of "Well, at least it had big ideas", "at least it was trying to answer big questions". I can't quite wrap my brain around that, perhaps he's unfamiliar with the dictionary definition of the word 'pretentious':
For balance, I will say that I thought the 3d was great - first film I've seen where it wasn't distracting or annoying (beyond the odd bit of ghosting/double vision).
Kermode was pulling his punches and knows better. He's been far harsher on better films for less in the past. He presumably feels close to Scott in some way not to mention he did a documentary on Blade Runner.
The 3D wasn't distracting because it was barely there or utilised in any purposeful way.
Kermode is a Alien fanboy but still, that review suprised me. Was Ridley in the next room or summat?
Quote from: Judge Jack on 11 June, 2012, 06:42:29 PM
AAAAARRGGGHHHHH THIS FILM IS FOOKIN WANK.
Best and funniest post in the entire thread. :D
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 June, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
You know your film's fucked when RedLetterMedia start doing videos about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-x1YuvUQFJ0
http://redlettermedia.com/
Haha, that was ace!
Personally, I thought the worst thing about Prometheus was having to sit through a disjointed and overlong extended trailer for the new Spiderman. Looks total shite.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 11 June, 2012, 06:42:29 PM
AAAAARRGGGHHHHH THIS FILM IS FOOKIN WANK.
Been away for a while, but can I just say I've fuckin' missed you all to a man. I've been having the longest arguments about this shit film with my nerd chums, and am sick to death of their coming up with excuses for it. Bad characterization and obvious plotting do not make a a film more complex.
Quote from: The Cosh on 12 June, 2012, 09:45:05 PM
Personally, I thought the worst thing about Prometheus was having to sit through a disjointed and overlong extended trailer for the new Spiderman. Looks total shite.
Ay ay ay! Doesn't it just! The 3D on that really hurt my eyes.
I think the one of the silliest things about the film was that the idea behind an Alien prequel was to show us who the space jockeys were - and when the crew find them, they've been all been dead for thousands of years. Isn't that EXACTLY where we started? What was the point?
Was having a great Internet debate about this over on fb, which ended with the double whammy of bringing told 'it was just a movie' and 'well if you know better, why don't you make your own movies?' All in the same post.
Made my day that did.
If Engineer DNA is an EXACT MATCH of human DNA, then why are the engineers 12 feet tall, bald albinos?
Why did no one feel the need to mention the whole C Section incident? David tried to pull some pretty serious shit there, and Shaw brutally attacked two of her colleagues - five minutes later, everyone has seemingly forgotten about that and they all go out on an expedition together.
Why all the secrecy about Weyland? Why did he need to pretend to be dead? It was him paying for everything, why shouldn't he come along?
Well, this thread, along with all the other negative feedback on the internet, has defeated me.
I'm the biggest Alien fan in the world. It's my favourite film of all time, I know it inside out and I still watch and enjoy it regularly but I now won't be going to see Prometheus.
I was going to go see it at the IMAX in 3D but if it's as crap as everyone says, there's no way I'm spending all that money on it. I'll wait for the DVD. What a let down.
See it for yourself and make your own mind up.
I saw it and really liked it.
I'd go along and make your own mind up Lee. It does look truly gorgeous in IMAX 3D - and as an Alien fan you'll get something out of it on a technical appreciation level. Fassbender is captivating, even if his character is wafer thin and some interesting concepts and ideas are at least introduced. The first 40mins is pretty solid stuff all told.
Just be aware that the plot and script are Phantom Menace levels of bad.
While there it's amusing but diminishing returns once you leave the nickelodeon. Best go to the 2D version, it looks bettter as no 3D effect is really offered except extra darkness.
While I usually find 3d movies dark or overly flickery I must say I really didn't have that problem with Prometheus. Visually it was spot on, and while the 3d wasn't in your face, I liked it, actually found it quite immersive for once.
Back to the plot, if they had just settled on one solid idea and fleshed it out, this could have been a good film. There were interesting parallels drawn between the creation of David and the creation of mankind, but like every other plot thread it was quickly dropped and never elaborated on.
Maybe if they made the plot more fairytale-like? Each crew member has his or her wish granted by the engineers - David becomes more human*, Shaw would overcome her biological problem, Weyland would be granted eternal youth.... Before it all starts to inevitably go horribly wrong, leading to some scenes of intense body-horror.
Maybe the humans are initially welcomed by the engineers - but through greed or other weakness - anger the engineers, leading to chaos and destruction.
They could have merged the roles of Vickers and the captain, have the character be constantly at odds with the scientists, until the end when they realise whats at stake, making their sacrifice mean something.
I dunno, anything would have been better than what we got.
(*I actually saw a 'leaked' synopsis recently that included this plot development, and the final cut of the film seemed to indicate things were heading this way)
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 13 June, 2012, 10:36:26 AM
See it for yourself and make your own mind up.
That was my attitude initially but after hearing basically nothing but negative reviews, I don't feel like spending 25 quid for me and the missus to go and see it.
Quote from: radiator on 13 June, 2012, 10:37:16 AM
Just be aware that the plot and script are Phantom Menace levels of bad.
Sold!
Quote from: radiator on 13 June, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
If Engineer DNA is an EXACT MATCH of human DNA, then why are the engineers 12 feet tall, bald albinos?
Why did no one feel the need to mention the whole C Section incident? David tried to pull some pretty serious shit there, and Shaw brutally attacked two of her colleagues - five minutes later, everyone has seemingly forgotten about that and they all go out on an expedition together.
Why all the secrecy about Weyland? Why did he need to pretend to be dead? It was him paying for everything, why shouldn't he come along?
Maybe the Engineers hoem planet has different gravity/ radiation/ sunlight whatever that has taken their DNA in a different evolutionary direction, while keeping it the same on a genetic level?
As for the second C-section point, it was one of the strangest bits of the film. I was very bemused at how little was made of it. At that point it really started unravelling.
QuoteMaybe the Engineers hoem planet has different gravity/ radiation/ sunlight whatever that has taken their DNA in a different evolutionary direction, while keeping it the same on a genetic level?
I'm no expert, but isn't that completely nonsensical?
Why not just say we're genetically related to them? Why was it even necessary to state anyway? Wasn't
the fact they look just like us and the
giant humanoid head in the tomb evidence enough?
QuoteAs for the second C-section point, it was one of the strangest bits of the film. I was very bemused at how little was made of it. At that point it really started unravelling.
Me too - I remember looking round with a bewildered expression on my face to see if anyone else in the audience has the same expression. It all just kind of washed over me after that, one silly thing after another. By the end I was laughing out loud at things like them running away from the rolling spaceship and David's head in the bowling ball bag.
In the future, Prometheus will be looked back at as a cult classic, but not in the way it's makers would have liked...
I thought the film jumped the shark the moment everyone took their helmets off in the tunnels.
I could buy the fact that one character would be stupid enough but he should have been immediately quarantined.
And what about that bloke smoking (weed?) inside his spacesuit?
Jesus wept.
There are so many of these little things that wash over you at the time, but when you think back seem downright bizarre. Like the way Idris Elba says the word "vase" for instance.
Idris Elba's accent in The Wire was faultless. So I imagine his audition went osmething like:
Ridley: 'Yeah that's really good Idris, but how about you try a Southern US accent, just for the hell of it?'
Idris: 'I'm no good at that. It'll be shit.'
Ridley: 'No problem! Everything else will be anyway.'
Seen it last night and actually enjoyed it, despite it being full of plot holes and shit acting (where did they get that Scottish woman from?) and shit dialogue.
I agree with most of the detractors here, things would happen (like the size that squid thing grew to) and I'd think "wouldn't that need some sort of food source to grow to that size?" or whatever.
Things happen in it that just don't follow any logic and I really don't think a follow up film will be answering any questions.
And that alien coming out of the engineer seemed tacked on just to say " YOU SEE, IT REALLY IS AN ALIEN FILM!!!"
But, I still very much enjoyed it. DVD release to have an extra 20 mins or so, interesting to see if it makes any more sense with the extra footage.
Maybe humanity was created simply for no other reason than the Engineers needed a test subject to try the bio-weapons on and it's only our stupid hubris that thinks we actually hold some special place in the universe or maybe . . .
Or maybe it's just a load of old symbolics (http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1)
Be interesting to see what kind of second week drop-off Prometheus has at the box office. I'm guessing it's going to be a pretty bloody big one.
Quote from: JamesC on 13 June, 2012, 12:36:04 PM
I thought the film jumped the shark the moment everyone took their helmets off in the tunnels.
There was a film in the last century that did that too, it was equally shite.
Quote from: radiator on 13 June, 2012, 12:06:31 PM
QuoteMaybe the Engineers hoem planet has different gravity/ radiation/ sunlight whatever that has taken their DNA in a different evolutionary direction, while keeping it the same on a genetic level?
I'm no expert, but isn't that completely nonsensical?
Why not just say we're genetically related to them? Why was it even necessary to state anyway? Wasn't the fact they look just like us and the giant humanoid head in the tomb evidence enough?
QuoteAs for the second C-section point, it was one of the strangest bits of the film. I was very bemused at how little was made of it. At that point it really started unravelling.
Me too - I remember looking round with a bewildered expression on my face to see if anyone else in the audience has the same expression. It all just kind of washed over me after that, one silly thing after another. By the end I was laughing out loud at things like them running away from the rolling spaceship and David's head in the bowling ball bag.
In the future, Prometheus will be looked back at as a cult classic, but not in the way it's makers would have liked...
Well, if humans evolved on two separate planets identical apart from gravity, they'd look very different
As for "cult classic" I assume you're trying to infer that it will be a "so bad, it's great" laugh-along type of film. Which is, frankly, absurd.
It'll be seen as a huge-grossing sci-fi film that lots of people really enjoyed, but had some flaws.
I suppose it's what I find so irritating about most fansites, anoraks and scojo-level of obsession: everything is viewed through a really warped lens.
Most people who went to see it, enjoyed it, and it's one of the year's better films.
Frothing at the mouth about the plot - which does have some major "what the fuck?" moments - is to be expected, but when I read posts that say things like:
"Oh it was all fucking RUINED for me the moment one of them took his helmet off, and they all followed suit, like as IF, according to my extensive knowledge of space exploration is the year 2093, he would have been IMMEDIATELY QUARANTINED" my eyes just roll back into my head and I sigh heavily.
Quote from: brendan1 on 13 June, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
It'll be seen as a huge-grossing sci-fi film that lots of people really enjoyed, but had some flaws.
Not sure if it'll gross a vast amount. They spent around $130-150 million making it and probably close to $100 million on marketing the shite out of it so it'll have to make around $500 million (breaking-even) before it goes into profit and it's nowhere near that. It's current take is around $150 million at the box-office but theatres will take nearly half that and I expect there'll be a rapid fall-off over the next 2 weeks due to negative reviews. Sequels may not be on the table, there maybe more
Alien films after this but no more
Prometheus.
Quote from: brendan1 on 13 June, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
Most people who went to see it, enjoyed it, and it's one of the year's better films.
Not sure 'bout that, the count seems to be sliding more towards the
nays as the fanboys who viewed it in the first weeks drop away and the regular cinema-goers voice their opinion.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 June, 2012, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: brendan1 on 13 June, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
It'll be seen as a huge-grossing sci-fi film that lots of people really enjoyed, but had some flaws.
Not sure if it'll gross a vast amount. They spent around $130-150 million making it and probably close to $100 million on marketing the shite out of it so it'll have to make around $500 million (breaking-even) before it goes into profit and it's nowhere near that. It's current take is around $150 million at the box-office but theatres will take nearly half that and I expect there'll be a rapid fall-off over the next 2 weeks due to negative reviews. Sequels may not be on the table, there maybe more Alien films after this but no more Prometheus.
I think it'll do OK. Not a mega-hit, but enough to get a sequel green-lit, hopefully.
I still think I'd prefer to see the Alien(s) back in a proper film with a proper budget, though
Quote from: Buddy on 13 June, 2012, 01:35:42 PM
where did they get that Scottish woman from?
Scotland?
This from Wikipedia:
"In 2089, archaeologists Elizabeth Shaw and Charlie Holloway discover a star map among several unconnected ancient cultures. They interpret this as an invitation from humanity's forerunners, or "Engineers". Peter Weyland, the elderly CEO of Weyland Corporation, funds the creation of the scientific vessel Prometheus to follow the map to the distant moon LV-223. The ship's crew travels in stasis while the android David monitors their voyage. Arriving in 2093, they are informed of their mission to find the Engineers. Mission director Meredith Vickers orders them to avoid making direct contact."
So wait a minute - a crew of 15 or so scientists and technicians volunteer for a 4-year hypersleep journey without discovering what it's all about until they get there?? Just one of many WTF moments, I know, but this one hadn't actually occurred to me until I read that.
Quote from: brendan1 on 13 June, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 June, 2012, 12:06:31 PM
QuoteMaybe the Engineers hoem planet has different gravity/ radiation/ sunlight whatever that has taken their DNA in a different evolutionary direction, while keeping it the same on a genetic level?
I'm no expert, but isn't that completely nonsensical?
Why not just say we're genetically related to them? Why was it even necessary to state anyway? Wasn't the fact they look just like us and the giant humanoid head in the tomb evidence enough?
QuoteAs for the second C-section point, it was one of the strangest bits of the film. I was very bemused at how little was made of it. At that point it really started unravelling.
Me too - I remember looking round with a bewildered expression on my face to see if anyone else in the audience has the same expression. It all just kind of washed over me after that, one silly thing after another. By the end I was laughing out loud at things like them running away from the rolling spaceship and David's head in the bowling ball bag.
In the future, Prometheus will be looked back at as a cult classic, but not in the way it's makers would have liked...
Well, if humans evolved on two separate planets identical apart from gravity, they'd look very different
As for "cult classic" I assume you're trying to infer that it will be a "so bad, it's great" laugh-along type of film. Which is, frankly, absurd.
It'll be seen as a huge-grossing sci-fi film that lots of people really enjoyed, but had some flaws.
I suppose it's what I find so irritating about most fansites, anoraks and scojo-level of obsession: everything is viewed through a really warped lens.
Most people who went to see it, enjoyed it, and it's one of the year's better films.
Frothing at the mouth about the plot - which does have some major "what the fuck?" moments - is to be expected, but when I read posts that say things like:
"Oh it was all fucking RUINED for me the moment one of them took his helmet off, and they all followed suit, like as IF, according to my extensive knowledge of space exploration is the year 2093, he would have been IMMEDIATELY QUARANTINED" my eyes just roll back into my head and I sigh heavily.
While I broadly agree with you (even though I seem to be the person you're mis-quoting!) I think this suffers from the same problem as many of the weaker Doctor Who episodes.
Namely that with very minimal effort most of the plot holes could be sorted with very minor tweaks to the dialogue/script.
Quote from: brendan1 on 13 June, 2012, 11:56:45 AM
As for the second C-section point, it was one of the strangest bits of the film. I was very bemused at how little was made of it. At that point it really started unravelling.
That part of the movie give me problems upon problems.
For one thing, it seems to be there PURELY for the 'ick' factor, and to get the squid-hugger into the movie.
For another - it makes no bloody sense at all. I mean, consider: [spoiler]Shaw anaesthetizes herself... but appears to still be in considerable pain during the procedure.
For yet another, we see her stomach expanding and doing horrible things... but when the squiddy is removed, IT'S COMPLETELY INANIMATE and even 'hatches' right in front of her.[/spoiler]
QuoteAs for "cult classic" I assume you're trying to infer that it will be a "so bad, it's great" laugh-along type of film. Which is, frankly, absurd.
It's hardly The Room, but between the dodgy accents, the bizarre leaps in logic, the magic flute, the bonkers surgery scene and all the other unintentionally humourous moments it's a pretty hokey film - and combined with how seriously it takes itself... yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised if future generations regard it as quite camp and silly.
I think the thing I find most confusing about the film is the speculation about the plot. It was a stupid plot, but people are trying to pass it off as something much smarter. Lots of connections to the bible and Jesus was an Engineer and shit.
This is an interesting read, but gives the script much more credit it then it deserves: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200177706
It would be slightly easier to believe that maybe there was more to it then meets the eye if the dialogue and characters weren't so terrible.
Went to see this with ma wee brother tonight.
Meh - it felt like a fan movie. Lots of scenes that just riffed off familiar scenes in Alien or Aliens or Alien 3.
I found so many things wrong with it it's hard to know where to start.
My favouritecrew members were the two blokes whose "character" was that they had a bet*. And then went "Yeah, OK Captain, we'll do that with you as well".
Oh and utterly pointless 3D.
* Which reminded me of BLACK HAWK DOWN where Ewan MacGregor's character was that he liked coffee.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 13 June, 2012, 10:47:39 PM
I think the thing I find most confusing about the film is the speculation about the plot. It was a stupid plot, but people are trying to pass it off as something much smarter. Lots of connections to the bible and Jesus was an Engineer and shit.
Bang on the money, fella.
I can't remember if I said it here or elsewhere online, but right from the start, I remember hearing the 'this movie poses deep questions' sales pitch, and I almost reflexively thought, 'Uh-uh. no way. It can't possibly hope to make good on that claim. Hollywood just wouldn't go for it.'
And, lookit that! We got a movie that posed those questions in exactly the same fashion as the cool kid at a student party, off his face on alcopops, tossing out nuggets like 'what if we were made by God? Eh? Eh? Or what if we weren't? Eh? How cool is that? Makes you think, eh?' And the reaction to that line is predictable: Some people nod in sage agreement, other roll their eyes and wander outside, and somebody nails the hot sloanie chick in the spare room.
I'm not gonna shift from my line of 'I enjoyed the movie', because, quite sincerely, I did. In spite of its myriad faults. But if there's one thing that I DO feel annoyed about, it's the throwaway, sub-cod-philosophy feel of it's oh-so-talked-about premise.
People say to me 'Prometheus was fun', and I agree.
People say to me 'it was flawed', or point out specific problems, and I (largely) agree.
But when they say to me that it was
deep, I have to work very hard at not bursting into laughter.
Quote from: radiator on 13 June, 2012, 09:14:00 AM
I think the one of the silliest things about the film was that the idea behind an Alien prequel was to show us who the space jockeys were - and when the crew find them, they've been all been dead for thousands of years. Isn't that EXACTLY where we started? What was the point?
Hammer meet nail :thumbsup:...
They also rather ruined any chance of 'Who made us? God? Random chance? An Alien?' suspense by showing you the answer in the opening fucking scene.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 14 June, 2012, 09:06:38 PM
They also rather ruined any chance of 'Who made us? God? Random chance? An Alien?' suspense by showing you the answer in the opening fucking scene.
I kinda thought it was interesting with that exchange between Shaw and Holloway where he tells her 'well, you can stop looking for answers now, because we know who made us,' and her reply is 'well, who made THEM?'
Brief and, like so much of the movie, undercooked. But at least it was there.
http://cheezburger.com/6328453120
Funny!
Quote from: HdE on 15 June, 2012, 06:50:45 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 14 June, 2012, 09:06:38 PM
They also rather ruined any chance of 'Who made us? God? Random chance? An Alien?' suspense by showing you the answer in the opening fucking scene.
I kinda thought it was interesting with that exchange between Shaw and Holloway where he tells her 'well, you can stop looking for answers now, because we know who made us,' and her reply is 'well, who made THEM?'
Brief and, like so much of the movie, undercooked. But at least it was there.
"But"?That exchange confirmed for me I was watching a turd. Shaw's supposed to believe in God, yes? Or not, as the case may or may not be; I mean, despite wearing a crucifix, her faith's so fucking ill-defined I've since wondered if she wore the bastard thing only because it belonged to her father.
But. Assuming I'm not misremembering . . . doesn't Liz come out with some bollocks towards the end of the film about still believing in God?
"Who made them?"
THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT APPLIES TO
HIM ALSO, YOU FUCKWIT.
I think the philosophy of the film is: if you want to have a certain theme or idea in the film just get one of the characters to say it rather than dramatise it. People will then think it's really deep.
Suppose I should have known it was going to bad when Ridley Scott was talking like this in interviews? Where the end of each sentence sounds like a question? Even though it's not?
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 15 June, 2012, 11:21:16 PM
That exchange confirmed for me I was watching a turd. Shaw's supposed to believe in God, yes? Or not, as the case may or may not be; I mean, despite wearing a crucifix, her faith's so fucking ill-defined I've since wondered if she wore the bastard thing only because it belonged to her father. But. Assuming I'm not misremembering . . . doesn't Liz come out with some bollocks towards the end of the film about still believing in God?
"Who made them?"
THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT APPLIES TO HIM ALSO, YOU FUCKWIT.
Thing is, it's for those sorts of reasons I found it interesting.
I actually think the depiction of characters with religious faith in entertainment is an interesting topic. So often, they're presented as these GIANT cliches, spouting scriptures and behaving as either impossibly virtuous or the sort of right bastardly bad 'uns wot gets religion a bad name. That to me is over-simplification of a very complex subject.
The whole pre-sales pitch about Shaw being a believer (or whatever term you want to use) was one of the things about the movie that grabbed my interest early on... so I was especially disappointed to see it handled with such simplicity and brevity.
Shaw's faith is ill defined? Well, to be blunt, there are a LOT of people who profess to religious beliefs that they haven't properly thought about. And a lot of people, it's true, fall into the beliefs they hold for no better reason than that their parents followed them.
I actually found the prospect of a character who is - to all intents and purposes - a scientist, who claims belief in God, very interesting. There are people in real life who fit that mould, but we don't often see them represented in fiction. Like I say, it was one area of the movie that I really thought might give the movie a glimmer of intelligence and make it notable. I actually thought, during that scene, 'yeah! This is it! We're gonna get something cool to think about here!' But, it wasn't to be. Like I say... brief, undercooked...
It's for these reasons that I came away from the movie thinking again about how story values in Hollywood have declined. You can't really put those sorts of ideas out for Joe Public to consume in a summer movie, it seems. Every single major element of the movie's story seems to need an extra layer or two on top of it to flesh it out and make it more satisfying.
Remember that post I made earlier about Prometheus' script being like the cool kid at the student party? Well, I think I just worked out the logical extension of that. Prometheus is the cool kid that sits on the bean bag and asks the question that's meant to make him look cleverer than he is. When somebody asks him 'can you explain that?', he gets all fidgety and changes the subject.
Quote from: HdE on 16 June, 2012, 05:15:21 AM
I actually found the prospect of a character who is - to all intents and purposes - a scientist, who claims belief in God, very interesting. There are people in real life who fit that mould, but we don't often see them represented in fiction. Like I say, it was one area of the movie that I really thought might give the movie a glimmer of intelligence and make it notable. I actually thought, during that scene, 'yeah! This is it! We're gonna get something cool to think about here!' But, it wasn't to be. Like I say... brief, undercooked...
Unlike Scully's faith in THE X-FILES (which also happened to have giant pale aliens with a thing for black oil), PROMETHEARSE doesn't bother exploring how and why a scientist can still believe in something as nebulous and unprovable as 'God'. The crucifix is lazy shorthand to show that she believes. In what, who knows? And why should we care when this ill-defined 'faith' is the only thing she has to characterize her?
Well, i caught Prometheus for the 2nd time yesterday, ....and i actually quite enjoyed the film. I really didnt think i would, but i did. :o
I think, free from all the noise, hype, and expectation - i was able to watch, and enjoy it for what it was. A slightly dumb action/sci-fi film. On one level, the film is littered with subtleties, that while seemingly minor, are fun to catch.
The faults are still there - a more thought out script, and a better edit would have solved the majority of these, but this time they didnt pull me out of the film, like they did on the 1st viewing.
Still not that keen on the scene at the end, just seems unnecessary more than anything. [spoiler]Theres enough Alien DNA throughout the film, why sledgehammer that point home?, and if the murals in the ampule room are anything to go by, then the Alien is an already established fact in the Engineers world? [/spoiler]
Well, i could nit-pick forever, but i did enjoy it yesterday, so Prometheus gets a belated reprieve from me.
Try harder still applies though, ;)
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 16 June, 2012, 09:49:36 AM
Unlike Scully's faith in THE X-FILES (which also happened to have giant pale aliens with a thing for black oil), PROMETHEARSE doesn't bother exploring how and why a scientist can still believe in something as nebulous and unprovable as 'God'. The crucifix is lazy shorthand to show that she believes.
See why that part of it disappointed me? See???
Well this was a load of po-faced shite. Saw it tonight at the cinema. The 3D was really good - quite impressive actually. Everything else was just a turgid mess though.
The characters - so bland! In both Alien and Aliens each character was totally individual, each very distinctive, and there was a real rapport between them. In Prometheus it seemed to be painting by numbers. No-one was particularly engaging, the group didn't gel, and as such I couldn't have given two figs about their causes, beliefs or even their lives.
Still, we went to a sushi restaurant afterwards and I stuffed my face, so the evening wasn't a complete write-off. The raw fish had more character.
I was looking forward to watching this and then I watched it and now I am older and have one more regret.
Thanks, movie.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 16 June, 2012, 09:49:36 AM
Unlike Scully's faith in THE X-FILES (which also happened to have giant pale aliens with a thing for black oil), PROMETHEARSE doesn't bother exploring how and why a scientist can still believe in something as nebulous and unprovable as 'God'. The crucifix is lazy shorthand to show that she believes. In what, who knows? And why should we care when this ill-defined 'faith' is the only thing she has to characterize her?
Other than she's a babe AND a redhead to boot?
... I'll get me coat :-[...
Things ain't goin' too well down at camp Prometheus:
Ridley Scott / Michael Fassbender's Prometheus movie and Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted will easily retain their positions on the North American box-office chart this weekend. But that's not necessarily good news for all.
Adam Shankman / Tom Cruise's Rock of Ages' and Adam Sandler / Andy Samberg's That's My Boy's opened to quite disappointment figures on Friday. DreamWorks' animated feature Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted will thus remain at the top of the chart. After collecting an estimated $10.02m on Friday, Madagascar 3 will likely reach a perfectly acceptable $30m-33m over the weekend and should be passing the $100m milestone on Saturday.
Prometheus will remain in second place, but that's where the good news end. Ridley Scott's sci-fier plummeted 73% from a week ago., scoring only $5.82m on Friday. That's a high drop-off rate even taking last week's Thursday midnight screenings into account. Prometheus will likely fail to crack $20m by Sunday evening.
Now, even if Scott's Prometheus movie does reach $20m, it'll probably still be down about 60% compared to last weekend. That's an alarming second-weekend drop-off rate for an expensive ($120m-$130m) production that's not a sequel, a comic book adaptation, or a cheap horror flick.
http://www.altfg.com/blog/movie/michael-fassbender-prometheus-movie-box-office/
Well done for not saying 'told you so', Soap. Anyway, you're ALL wrong, it's not a slightly dull sci-fi film- it's a Christian allegory that resonates with Greek myth. Says so HERE (http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html).
Do keep up, Bikini!
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 13 June, 2012, 01:37:44 PM
Maybe humanity was created simply for no other reason than the Engineers needed a test subject to try the bio-weapons on and it's only our stupid hubris that thinks we actually hold some special place in the universe or maybe . . .
Or maybe it's just a load of old symbolics (http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1)
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 17 June, 2012, 08:07:24 PM
Do keep up, Bikini!
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 13 June, 2012, 01:37:44 PM
Maybe humanity was created simply for no other reason than the Engineers needed a test subject to try the bio-weapons on and it's only our stupid hubris that thinks we actually hold some special place in the universe or maybe . . . Or maybe it's just a load of old symbolics (http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1)
Damn! I though those were all your own original observations,
Eric. Is everyone on the internet just paraphrasing each other?
Quote from: bikini kill on 17 June, 2012, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 17 June, 2012, 08:07:24 PM
Do keep up, Bikini!
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 13 June, 2012, 01:37:44 PM
Maybe humanity was created simply for no other reason than the Engineers needed a test subject to try the bio-weapons on and it's only our stupid hubris that thinks we actually hold some special place in the universe or maybe . . . Or maybe it's just a load of old symbolics (http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1)
Damn! I though those were all your own original observations, Eric. Is everyone on the internet just paraphrasing each other?
We're just paraphrasing each other.
Paraphrasing one another.
You idiom savant, you ;)
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 17 June, 2012, 06:11:12 AM
Other than she's a babe AND a redhead to boot?
... I'll get me coat :-[...
No, no, I'm down with that...
Flashers of the world unite.
Driven to insomnia posting again. Something occurs to me: Do any of you guys actually WANT to see a sequel to this?
I kinda get the impression it's going to happen by hook or by crook, and I have mixed feelings about the possibilities.
I mean, if we get a sequel, and it goes nowhere, I'll be steamed. But if we didn't get a sequel at all... I'd feel properly cheated.
Is the story of Shaw and David going out to meet the Engineers something people want to see? Or are you folks already dead set against it?
Quote from: HdE on 18 June, 2012, 02:49:53 AM
I kinda get the impression it's going to happen by hook or by crook, and I have mixed feelings about the possibilities.
How much would it have to make worldwide to actually make a sequel a viable possibility? It'll be a kick in the teeth to all concerned if it doesn't hold up to box-office expectations (considering all the capital invested in it), and will be interesting to see if FOX still go ahead with a sequel or admit defeat and let the whole ill-conceived project go quietly into the night (whilst saying "we're working on it" or some other PR drivel), of course, the downside of the potential under-performance of
Prometheus could well have a knock-on effect in that FOX may become more risk-adverse in greenlighting any more costly movies based on once-profitable franchises... how that'll affect the chances of a
24 movie with the minimum $45m budget (as opposed to the miserly $30m that FOX want to spend on it) that both Kiefer Sutherland and Imagine Entertainment feel the current script needs is open to question however!
I wouldn't go to see a sequel, and suspect one wont be made anyway.
If that's frustrating for viewers, that all those plot threads get left unresolved - then that's an argument for making a film that stands as a satisfying work in its own right.
The Marvel movies were clearly building towards something, but pretty much all of them worked as standalone films.
Also, the sequel setup felt very tacked on - I'm not really interested in Shaw going to the engineer planet as a story.
A sequel featuring a talking head and Our Lady in space could still be fun but A GOOD YEAR showed Ridley Scott shouldn't go a light year near romantic comedies.
QuoteAlso, the sequel setup felt very tacked on - I'm not really interested in Shaw going to the engineer planet as a story.
[spoiler]The whole Chestburster bit did [/spoiler] but i dont think Shaw and David Heads trip to the Engineers home seems to tacked on to me, she still wants to meet the maker (and now ask why they want to destroy us) with the added thought of giving them a good seeing to for f*#king with us. I think it'd be interesting to do a movie with Shaw as the only human trying to convince the Engineers they dont need to wipe us out then shitting on them letting loose some kind of Bio-weapon on their home planet, of course a ship escapes at the end heading for Earth and for some reason doesn't make it and ends up crashed on LV426. I'm sure they can work out a reason for the ship to be thousands of years old as it was in Alien. a bit fan-fictiony but then again i dont get paid to come up with idea's.
I hate to blame writters and there seems to be alot of hate towards the man but i really think this Lindof dude doesn't really know how to finish a script or idea properly, he cant stick the landing as they say (what else has he had his hands in, Lost - we all know how that one ended and I'm sure there are some other examples out there of his work full of wonerful idea's f'd up by lame endings.
CU Radbacker
It seems pretty clear to me that the Prometheus script is a sloppily-rewritten proper Alien prequel, and the original ending was going to have all the crew perishing as they sacrifice themselves to stop the shipment of alien eggs (rather than vases of goo) getting to Earth.
Shaw going off on her mission seemed like a complete afterthought and a lazy way to spin the film out into a franchise - and it's
yet another example of characters doing crazy, illogical things. Anyone with an ounce of sense would fly straight back to Earth after going through that ordeal.
And what exactly does she propose to do when she gets there? Take on the entire Engineer civilization? They'd vapourise her on sight.
And what is she going to eat/drink during the journey - a journey of indeterminate length?
Quote
I think it'd be interesting to do a movie with Shaw as the only human trying to convince the Engineers they dont need to wipe us out
Hardly sounds like a recipe for an exciting film.
QuoteAnd what is she going to eat/drink during the journey - a journey of indeterminate length?
A) David's body
B) use one of the hyper sleep chambers in the cockpit.
Are you serious? :lol:
Now people have realised there are no Aliens in it I bet a few positive reviews will come out of it.
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QuoteNow people have realised there are no Aliens in it I bet a few positive reviews will come out of it.
???
There
are aliens in it. Unless you mean
Aliens (as in the Giger-designed beastie from the original movie) - in which case, yes - there sort of is, at the end, as well as various forms of the face hugger that appear throughout.
In any case, the presence of the creature from the original movie has precisely nothing to do with whether or not it's a good movie. I went into it
not expecting to see any Giger-aliens (Scott said ahead of release there wouldn't be any in the movie) and still thought the script and story was a monumental pile of nonsensical, half-baked shite.
I've seen it argued that if the film gets a bad reaction, it's because the film is too different from Alien for the reviewer's taste/expectation - which is nonsense. In fact it's so similar to Alien and references it so much it's practically a remake at points.
QuoteI hate to blame writters and there seems to be alot of hate towards the man but i really think this Lindof dude doesn't really know how to finish a script or idea properly, he cant stick the landing as they say (what else has he had his hands in, Lost - we all know how that one ended and I'm sure there are some other examples out there of his work full of wonerful idea's f'd up by lame endings.
It's unfair to lay the all of the blame at the feet of the writers - apparently Scott had a lot of input on the story, so make of that what you will.
Quote from: HdE on 18 June, 2012, 02:49:53 AM
Driven to insomnia posting again. Something occurs to me: Do any of you guys actually WANT to see a sequel to this?
I kinda get the impression it's going to happen by hook or by crook, and I have mixed feelings about the possibilities.
I mean, if we get a sequel, and it goes nowhere, I'll be steamed. But if we didn't get a sequel at all... I'd feel properly cheated.
Is the story of Shaw and David going out to meet the Engineers something people want to see? Or are you folks already dead set against it?
Personally id like to see it, and id imagine itll happen anyway. Guess we'll have to wait for the final tally.
Can you imagine, though, if Fox did pull the plug on the whole thing!
Quote from: Judge Jack on 18 June, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
Can you imagine, though, if Fox did pull the plug on the whole thing!
Quite easily.
I mean't Geiger beastie. Far too many people may have been expecting these and were thoroughly disappointed. I have yet to see the film so cant say hither or dither but quite a few friends were clouded on the fact that "an Alien prequel" didn't contain them throughout causing mayhem and destruction, but saying overall they enjoyed it.
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More than anything though, i am curious as to what the Blu-Ray will feature in the way of deleted scenes and possible extended cut.
(http://i.imgur.com/pvKLT.jpg)
With regard to potential sequels, and the potential of a potential sequel potentially NOT happening... potentially:
Quote from: radiator on 18 June, 2012, 07:29:42 AM
If that's frustrating for viewers, that all those plot threads get left unresolved - then that's an argument for making a film that stands as a satisfying work in its own right.
The Marvel movies were clearly building towards something, but pretty much all of them worked as standalone films.
Too flamin' right!
I did come away from the movie thinking it's asking a LOT for an audience to invest in this movie on the hope of a sequel that wasn't even confirmed.
I do wonder - supposing this movie HAD been a super-talky, super-deep meditiation on all the grandiose stuff we were spoon-fed ahead of release, with just a few dribbles of Alien thrown in on top, would this message board be alight with enthusiastic chatter about it now? Would the movie be doing better business? Would it be doing WORSE?
(And please, no autopilot responses from anybiody of 'Nah! It'd STILL be crap!')
I think, if I recall correctly, the last I heard was that the movie was still on track to make a profit - though not a huge one. Home video sales ought to figure into any future plans Fox might have for Prometheus as a franchise unto itself. I just hope that certain lessons are learned. Namely:
The fans of this franchise expect better.
Showing too much of the movie immediately prior to release wasn't smart.
For Engineer's sake, don't let anybody big things up with ludicrous claims that 'big questions' are being posed.
And, finally - and I do NOT say such things lightly:
GET A BETTER WRITER.
...
Keep Noomi, though, plz.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/599261_444648085559048_969552433_n.jpg)
That's cleared it up!
I really enjoyed it! :D
Neil - I'm jealous! I get no satisfaction from being a naysayer, I genuinely wanted to love it :(
Ah well, roll on September eh?
Have to say I really enjoyed it as well.
Definitely a flawed film, with some pacing errors and plot holes that you wouldn't expect from a seasoned director like Scott. But hopefully it should stand up to repeated viewing when it hits DVD, looking forward to the bonus features :)
I also enjoyed it a lot more than Avengers.
Doesn't hold its own against Alien but what does to be fair?
Quote from: chaingunchimp on 20 June, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
Doesn't hold its own against Alien but what does to be fair?
Aliens?
The Godfather?
I enjoyed this too, though I was giving it a bit of leeway cos I was a bit pissed n stuff (through to Derby from Donington) and fell asleep through a few bits which made it a bit sketchy and confusing. Apparently sleeping etc had nothing to do with that though :D
Best of all though, it turns out that my dodgy left eye has no effect whatsoever on my ability to see this newfangled 3D thingy. Worked a treat! Which of course meant I was busy going "ooooh" (like a total noob) a lot of the time rather than concentrating on what was going on. Some very nice bits but mostly it seems to be a bit of a distraction.
Aaaaaanyhoo, this all means that I'm well up for seeing a certain other film in 3D, especially given the apparently ground-breaking nature of it.
I watched Alien vs Predator last night, and given that the idea of "canon" is out the window as of Prometheus, AvP is a much better film as it's easy to dismiss many failings as creating forward momentum for the plot and serving the idea that a film needs a beginning, middle and end, and that the plot should serve to bridge these things as best it can. AvP also seems an unapologetic b-movie focused like a laser on that whole "Aliens fight Predators" hook.
AvP knows what it is and gets that shit done, and after Prometheus I find that focus on a central idea admirable, though there are other things to like about it that are practically tangents from the central focus, though none of them get in the way of the actual film and it manages to avoid and undermine some cliched tropes (evil capitalists) even as it reinforces others (super kick-ass female character who suddenly can't jump two feet).
I haven't seen AvP, but I've heard there are striking similarities between the plot of that film and that of Prometheus. Weyland assembling a team of scientists to explore an alien structure for nefarious purposes - the tacked-on chestburster ending.
Although both films feature a Mr Weyland worried that the end of their days approaches, AvP undermines the "evil capitalists" trope by having Weyland initially exploring the alien ruins in a heavily-armed salvage operation, but in the end his actions are altruistic - he orders the team back to camp for their own safety despite their incredible discoveries in the temple, he makes time to connect with a team member, he returns the team members who aren't interested in the expedition and pays them for their time rather than bumps them off or something, and most telling of all he sacrifices his own life so that other people can have a chance to escape. In Prometheus, Weyland is just out for himself, though even that's muddy as it's unclear if he directs David to act in the way he does when he puts crewmembers in harm's way.
AvP has a clear character arc there, Prometheus does not.
Avoided this thread for eons. Great night out with mates tonight at Vue clocking Prometheus. All I can say about thef ilm is WTF! Ridley!
aliens better than alien?
i think not :)
Quote from: chaingunchimp on 21 June, 2012, 09:48:28 PM
aliens better than alien?
i think not :)
Seconded!
Alien is a great sequel and action film but it doesn't hold a candle to Alien.
As for AvP being better than Prometheus? Whoa! I'll have some of what you're smoking! ;)
Quote from: NeilFord on 20 June, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
I really enjoyed it! :D
Me too :)
I think a Director's Cut of Prometheus would also be very enjoyable, so hopefully that'll happen.
Quote from: chaingunchimp on 21 June, 2012, 09:48:28 PM
aliens better than alien?
i think not :)
different beasts. On is a haunted house horror and the other a military action movie. Both are great.
Personally, I'd take Aliens over Alien, though I love both, and that's just, like, my opinion man.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 22 June, 2012, 12:00:12 AMAs for AvP being better than Prometheus? Whoa! I'll have some of what you're smoking! ;)
I'll cede AvP is dumb and not very good, but I stand by it being a better example of film-making in isolation than Prometheus. It starts with a premise and it follows through: Aliens fight Predators.
What is Prometheus even
about, anyway? I would not say that Prometheus has any solid themes, but AvP has similar plot elements and does them much better while also being a genuine prequel to the Alien movies without muddying the canon, particularly with Weyland's motivations (his approaching death) that can be read as the basis for Weyland clones and Hendrickson's appearances in Aliens/Alien 3 and the cloning programme seen in Alien: Resurrection, while the Aliens' potential origins as Predator hunt fodder is simple and unwanky (and their being specifically bred for Predator hunts also explains why they'd gestate and mature in hours). AvP even explains why Weyland-Yutani would want the Nostromo to investigate the slim possibility of extraterrestrial life and technology despite the huge potential costs of doing so when everything we see and are told about them says they value money above all else.
Sometimes, simple is just better.
You're on your own with AvP Requiem, though. That shit is heinous.
You're making too much sense for the Prometheus thread.
Quote from: Professah Byah on 22 June, 2012, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 22 June, 2012, 12:00:12 AMAs for AvP being better than Prometheus? Whoa! I'll have some of what you're smoking! ;)
I'll cede AvP is dumb and not very good, but I stand by it being a better example of film-making in isolation than Prometheus. It starts with a premise and it follows through: Aliens fight Predators.
Haven't seen either of the AvPs, but I'm down with you in theory. That's why I said earlier - Avatar is a far better movie than Prometheus in my opinion simply due to the fact that it tells a coherent story and the character's motivations are clear. I wasn't thrilled by Avatar, but crucially I wasn't scratching my head going "Huh?" every 30 seconds, and I wasn't laughing out loud at how silly it was either.
I guess it comes down to what interests you in films - for me, narrative is king. All the shiny visuals in the world matter for precisely nothing without an engaging story. It's the same reason that I have very little interest in arthouse movies. Maybe that makes me some kind of philistine, but I don't care.
QuotePersonally, I'd take Aliens over Alien, though I love both, and that's just, like, my opinion man.
Me too. Alien may be the superior film on a technical level, but my barometer of a 'good film' is how often I rewatch it - and if I've a night to myself with a six pack in the fridge it's Aliens that comes down off the shelf. Much as I love and respect the original, in all honesty I find it a little slow.
Quote from: hoops on 22 June, 2012, 07:35:33 AM
I think a Director's Cut of Prometheus would also be very enjoyable, so hopefully that'll happen.
Yup - apparently it will be 20 minutes or so longer on Blu-ray.
Ominously, the comment about the extended cut appears to have only been applied to discussion of the blu-ray. I'd assume it'll be on the DVD as well, but that hasn't yet been confirmed as far as I can see.
Just what did David say (http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/) to the Engineer?
Quote from: Judge Jack on 22 June, 2012, 06:13:01 PM
Just what did David say (http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/) to the Engineer?
"How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"
That,gentle readers,is what we call a Zinger!
And Alien is the best,no question. If you disagree you better secure that shit ,though Aliens is the greatest sequel ever made.
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Quote from: HdE on 22 June, 2012, 05:53:51 PM
Quote from: hoops on 22 June, 2012, 07:35:33 AM
I think a Director's Cut of Prometheus would also be very enjoyable, so hopefully that'll happen.
Yup - apparently it will be 20 minutes or so longer on Blu-ray.
Ominously, the comment about the extended cut appears to have only been applied to discussion of the blu-ray. I'd assume it'll be on the DVD as well, but that hasn't yet been confirmed as far as I can see.
Can't imgaine it being a Blu-Ray only deal, but you never know :-[
Quote from: hoops on 23 June, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
Can't imgaine it being a Blu-Ray only deal, but you never know :-[
I'd hope the fact there's been no official word on the DVD's content is just an oversight. Especially as DVD looks set to be around for a good while yet. But nothing surprises me in the home video market.
I'm pretty much in agreement re the ridiculous script. It was all a load of confusing contrived bollocks.
However, I saw it in 3D, and in some scenes I thought it was very well used and quite impressive. The sandstorm sequence was good, with thousands of shards flying out of the screen. The use of depth to show how big things were, such as the mound, and the rolling crashing ship (despite the fact that stupid woman didnt know how to run sideways). Some of the approaches to the planets looked great too.
I'm still waiting for a film that uses 3D effectively, and has a great script too. Avatar was bloody brilliant in 3D for a whole variety of reasons, but the story was as derivative and by the numbers as any other action flick. As mentioned above though, compared to Prometheus at least it was possible to follow it!
I have high hopes for Piranha 3DD. :D
Quote from: radiator on 22 June, 2012, 02:33:35 PMHaven't seen either of the AvPs, but I'm down with you in theory.
I wouldn't really bother with either, to be honest, but I suppose if you made it through Prometheus you could do worse to cleanse the mental palate Alienverse-wise than check out the first AvP as it's okay in a b-movie kind of way, though the sequel adds nothing except visually incomprehensible action sequences and gratuitous nastiness.
I won't be watching either of them.
A friend 'showed' me the film once - ie fast-forwarding through it entirely, pausing only for 'the good bits' - the fights basically. A copy of the DVD once mysteriously showed up in my collection - think someone left in round my house once - and it ended up in the charity shop.
The attractive German barmaid in my local told me yesterday that Prometheus was very bad because it was a 'creationist' film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uJPvMokuc&feature=player_embedded
They are still doing viral ads for this film. Shame they didn't put as much effort into the the actual film.
Quote from: radiator on 27 June, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
I won't be watching either of them.
This is probably for the best.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 June, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
The attractive German barmaid in my local told me yesterday that Prometheus was very bad because it was a 'creationist' film.
If only that were the case, but from what I've heard about it, it's closer to the written works of Erich von Daniken than the written works of Moses...
HOLY SHIT IT'S A CREATIONIST AS WELL.
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 29 June, 2012, 07:02:08 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 June, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
The attractive German barmaid in my local told me yesterday that Prometheus was very bad because it was a 'creationist' film.
If only that were the case, but from what I've heard about it, it's closer to the written works of Erich von Daniken than the written works of Moses...
A mate of mine said just that (sort of), that Prometheus was cross between Chariots of the Gods and Mountains of Madness (which apparently isn't being made now cos Prometheus did half of it already).
Ridley Scott drinks Guillermo Del Toro's milkshake.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 29 June, 2012, 11:37:00 AM
HOLY SHIT IT'S A CREATIONIST AS WELL.
We're all creationists, Roger, we just differ on who and how we were created... can't speak for what dark, dank, and foreboding laboratory you were were formed in however!
Quote from: Mudcrab on 29 June, 2012, 12:28:43 PM
A mate of mine said just that (sort of), that Prometheus was cross between Chariots of the Gods and Mountains of Madness (which apparently isn't being made now cos Prometheus did half of it already).
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 June, 2012, 12:42:19 PM
Ridley Scott drinks Guillermo Del Toro's milkshake.
Yeah, if I was Del Toro, I'd be considering going on a killing spree about now, first his dream of directing
The Hobbit goes up in smoke, then his long-cherished
Mountains of Madness project is nixed because of a $150m budget (despite having Tom Cruise starring and James Cameron producing), only to witness Ridley Scott steal just about the ENTIRE storyline - twist and all - and have FOX give him a $130m budget for it... poor guy...
Phuq 'im, he stole the eagle shoulder pad:
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Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 June, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
Phuq 'im, he stole the eagle shoulder pad:
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That suit looks awful, it's like what the new
RoboCop remake suit will look like or summit'... Dredd's are way better lookin', and probably cost a fraction of what that thing cost to make...
Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 June, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
The attractive German barmaid in my local told me yesterday that Prometheus was very bad because it was a 'creationist' film.
I'm with the fraulein on this;- I felt something akin to that while watching it: It IS 'creationist'-- insomuch that it pretty much ignores the way that evolution (demonstrably) is understood to work, and offers us a ( comparitively simplistic and unsatisfying ) alternative hypothesis instead.
I'm sure there was a way to run the 'life-came-from-an-active-other-intelligence' story that tallies with what we know of the history of life on earth, ( DR & Quinch managed that much without even trying). But the creators of Prometheus couldn't be arsed with any of that; they preferred to rely on the general ignorance of their audience instead.
Phuqqerz.
And yes that suit looks tragic.
The missus went to see this and wasn't overly impressed.
V
Quote from: darnmarr on 30 June, 2012, 05:07:46 AM
I'm sure there was a way to run the 'life-came-from-an-active-other-intelligence' story that tallies with what we know of the history of life on earth
I think 2001 respectably handled intervention in human evolution better than anything else.
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Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 June, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
The attractive German barmaid in my local told me yesterday that Prometheus was very bad because it was a 'creationist' film.
I see her point. The film was predicated on an essentially creationist idea, i.e. that humanity is special and couldn't possibly have evolved naturally- there's a single token objection from the disposable geologist dude, but other than that every character in the film takes it as a given.
[spoiler]
Then there's the method the engineers use to seed life. Either the dissolved guy at the start provided the constituent molecules to kick off
all life, and, millions of years later, one of the resultant species (humans) just happens to be (as near as dammit)
exactly the same as the engineers, which is a gross miscomprehension of how evolution works. Or the dissolved dude somehow creates humans straight away, in which case why do humans apparently have a shared lineage with every single other species on the planet if they came from a completely external source.
[/spoiler]
The junk biology wouldn't annoy me at all if it was just a schlocky sci-fi B-movie, but Prometheus had pretensions of being something much deeper, and the nuts-and-bolts of the plot were just too bad to support them- ST Voyager Threshold levels of bad.
JPMaybe - you're absolutely right, bang on mate.
Prometheus is a schlocky b-film that won the Euromillions.
Star Trek: Voyager Threshold had He_Man's buddy in it. I am reasonably sure that this is a sound scientific basis for declaring Voyager better than Prometheus.
I don't think I've ever had quite so much fun from a film I haven't seen yet. Except maybe Best Little Whore House in Texas, the very existence of which we used to find hilariously funny when we were 11.
I saw the trailer for Best Little Whore House in Texas when it ran before E.T. at the Savoy -those were the days- I too have yet to experience its majesty after all these years - I still want to.
Blimey, I saw ET in the cinema about five or six times, but never saw that trailer. Edinburgh Lothian Rd Odeon, you have let me down!
So, er, yeah, Prometheus, what a crock
ET. Never seen it. Probably never will.
Prometheus. Never seen it. Probably will at some point.
V
Your time would be better spent with ET.
Is it true Prometheus is the first of three films?
V
Apparently, though I couldn't care less where the story goes from this point.
Quote from: vzzbux on 08 July, 2012, 09:21:26 PM
Is it true Prometheus is the first of three films?
There's been talk. From the various interview's Ridleys given, he, and others, seem keen to carry it on. I suspect this was the plan all along.
Guess we'll have to wait til the bean counters have done their job. I'd be very suprised if we didnt get a sequel, though.
QuoteI'd be very suprised if we didnt get a sequel, though.
I'd be surprised if we did!
Comments on this thread give me a bad feeling about this...
... although I'm still planning to see it tomorrow. (Assuming my mate isn't called into work.)
Yes, I'm leaving it late aren't I, considering I was the one who started this thread in the first place. I suggested to my mate avoiding the 3D version though but she's really up for that one. Oh well, I'll bite.
Still, in the past I've found out some films I like are thought of poorly by others* so there's still hope...
*That includes, Star Wars Prequels (although even I cringe at some of the acting) later Alien films and AvP. On the other hand I tend to like most films others do too. I guess I'm easily pleased.
I found the 3D to be the best part of the film. Definitely see it in 3D.
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 09 July, 2012, 12:50:29 AM
I found the 3D to be the best part of the film. Definitely see it in 3D.
Good to know. Will do.
Hope to see it tonight. I was hoping to see it this afternoon but my mate has to work. She's up for meeting up in the evening though. Miss the Supersaver ticket prices, but never mind.
Odd. I genuinely thought the 3D added nothing to it. Didn't even manage to get a heightened sense of scale I was expecting.
I just hope the 3D doesn't look fuzzy like it did when I watched the Avengers in Bromley. I don't know if this is common with 3D though, or if Bromley cinema don't have their settings right. (Avengers is the first full film I've seen in 3D so I can't judge.)
I'll be going to Beckenham or Croydon tonight. Hopefully their set-up will be better.
Put this way, it wasn't as good as the 3D in Avatar, and definitely not as good as the 3D on my handheld Nintendo 3DS, but when comparing each facet of the film (plot, characterisation, effects, sound) it's the 3D that comes top.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 09 July, 2012, 01:21:48 PM
Odd. I genuinely thought the 3D added nothing to it. Didn't even manage to get a heightened sense of scale I was expecting.
Indeed. The only time I even really noticed it was in the cryo-chamber starmap scene and the slightly odd parallax in the sandstorm.
Okay, I finally watched it earlier today (well technically yesterday but as it was the 9pm showing and I've yet to hit the bed...).
I can sort of see what people are criticising, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I'm not clear why [spoiler]that Engineer appeared to commit suicide on Earth at the start. Was that his way of seeding our planet with his DNA to cause the evolution of the human species? Not sure I quite buy that.[/spoiler]
The main storyline was pretty slight. [spoiler]I mean, if you've read the synopsis you've pretty much covered the plot.[/spoiler]
Lets face it, it was basically [spoiler]the plot of Alien[/spoiler] except with [spoiler]different beasties and humanoid progenitors (in a way of speaking).[/spoiler] And it wasn't nearly as scary as Alien (although I think the gory stuff I was laughing at was probably meant to be scary) but I enjoyed it. There it is.
Don't look at this unless you've seen the film through to the end:
[spoiler]Considering the beastie at the end. If you compare it to the creature from the Alien films that's a whole lot more stages in the life-cycle! I assume this is an earlier version of the organism.[/spoiler]
It left a lot of questions unanswered, but it seems clear they were hoping to continue the story.
I really liked it. It worked for me like The Dark Knight, always awesome but not always logical.
Love the point that if something created us, it could likewise destroy us too.
Hopefully there will be a Dir Cut, one that tightens the movie. The scenes on earth could have benifited from cutting from the white giant dying and creating life to the space ship. What they found in the cave was well explained in the briefing.
The two who wander off in the cave could have some screen time cutted too. I felt them being sceptical and "funny" a bit too over the top to be shown as often as they where.
Also the "mystery" of [spoiler]the hologram in the beginning saying: "I'm dead", and then he's shown alive. It felt a bit distracting from the overall atmosphere of the film, since so much of it gets comes from the "open spots" the viewer fills in him/herself. [/spoiler]
I loved David. His logic behind the things he does was thrilling. Especially when [spoiler]he was given the order to "try harder" (since the aliens was dead) resulting in see what happens if someone came in contact with the black goo. A real devil :)! [/spoiler]
I liked David, but that's more down to Fassbender's excellent performance than the woeful character as written on the page.
He was just impossible to get a handle on. Was he supposed to a hero (saving the two main characters during the storm), villain (infecting Holloway), antihero? Sometimes he seemed conflicted about his orders, other times he carried them out with relish. He claimed to have no emotion, but seemed to experience jealousy. He had no consistency to his behaviour and went through no discernible arc at all.
Ultimately, he seemed like the result of the filmmakers consciously trying not to copy Ash or Bishop, and ending up with an awkward mishmash of both characters. A character who is utterly amoral could have been interesting to explore, but I just don't think the writers had a clear idea of who David is.
Terrible writing.
As for The Dark Knight comparison, granted there are a couple of plotholes (as there are in any blockbuster) but the writing is strong enough elsewhere that they are easily forgiven.
NOTHING in Prometheus makes any sense whatsoever. They're worlds apart.
Quote from: radiator on 13 July, 2012, 09:37:09 AM
As for The Dark Knight comparison, granted there are a couple of plotholes (as there are in any blockbuster) but the writing is strong enough elsewhere that they are easily forgiven.
NOTHING in Prometheus makes any sense whatsoever. They're worlds apart.
No of course, I think Dark Knight is more tightly written when it comes to dialouge and such. It's really easy to forgive a lot of stuff in it. Saw it yesterday. I still thought it was awesome all the way. I even bought that Racher isn't played by the same actress without thinking about it.
But the moment it endds I always think about the constant "controlled explosions and destruction"
-Batman bombing is way through the city on his batpod without any thoughts on potential bystanders :P
-The whole Joker goes to jail/everyone get's blown up but him.
I think Prometheus should have focused more on David, making his intentions more "strange". I loved being a bit intrigued and the same time uneased by what he was doing. Instead they tried to "flesh out things" with some sort of "family drama" in the midst of it all.
A lot stuff like that could easily been simplified to in the same time expand upon it. Like they did in Inception, mentioning small hints several times to make them feel true to the picture instead of complicating things with too much information on stuff.
But I like the movie. Not as much as Blade Runner or Alien. But it left me with a similar feel and questions as when I'v watched one of those... Only that some of the questions where about how they where thinking when making the film :-[
Quote-Batman bombing is way through the city on his batpod without any thoughts on potential bystanders :P
-The whole Joker goes to jail/everyone get's blown up but him.
It's an action movie, those are genre conventions, not plot holes. To enjoy
any action movie you have to suspend your disbelief for such things.
There
are a few plot holes in TDK - the scene at Wayne's fundraiser never gets resolved satisfyingly, the identity or number of Dent's victims is unclear, the Joker claims to not make 'plans' despite pulling off things that would've taken years of meticulous planning... but ultimately they are forgivable minor wrinkles in an otherwise excellent film.
The plot holes/contrivances/lack of narrative cohesion/bad science/leaps of logic/pretentious grandstanding/cringeworthy dialogue/terrible acting and accents/unconvincing character motivations inherent in the Prometheus' script all conspire to make it an absolutely hopeless, broken mess of a film.
How anyone can accept all that is beyond me. It's a highly polished turd - it really is.
The Joker always claims not to make plans and he always does- he's insane remember..?
As for plot holes in Prometheus, that rather presupposes it having a plot. It doesn't really- it has a half explained idea tacked on to a bunch of unconnected stuff happening to a bunch of actors(not characters, because none of them are that) followed by an unsatisfying denouement.
Quote from: radiator on 13 July, 2012, 11:13:21 AM
Quote-Batman bombing is way through the city on his batpod without any thoughts on potential bystanders :P
-The whole Joker goes to jail/everyone get's blown up but him.
It's an action movie, those are genre conventions, not plot holes. To enjoy any action movie you have to suspend your disbelief for such things.
There are a few plot holes in TDK - the scene at Wayne's fundraiser never gets resolved satisfyingly, the identity or number of Dent's victims is unclear, the Joker claims to not make 'plans' despite pulling off things that would've taken years of meticulous planning... but ultimately they are forgivable minor wrinkles in an otherwise excellent film.
I never meant those at plot holes. But as you pointed out, things I suspend my disbelief for.
Same thing with the fund raiser. When I see it it's Woooah "Joker shows up uninvited, everyones in danger, Batman fell down a god damned sky scraper and landed saftley on a car." so much that I don't think about that they just cut it after that. There's no follow up on what happened next, Joker could have killed people, made a daring escape or something.
-But it's only afterwards I think about it. Not when I watch the movie.
Same thing with Prometheus. Shaw get's all bloody and no one gives a notice. And before that her boyfriend got burned to bits and suddenly it's like he's all forgotten.
I almost bought it when in the theatre, style over substance. But it was hard I tell you, not easy at all. Especially when thinking of how easily they could have tightened the whole thing, like having more focus on David, giving it some 2001 S O vibes.
I belive the bits are all there, they'd just need to remove some of them from the puzzle to make it a lot better. A shorter and a bit more slowpaced movie like Alien would have done wonders.
Sadly I think Riddly have said that he's all good with the movie.
Lissa Treiman's new improved ending.
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QuoteThe Joker always claims not to make plans and he always does- he's insane remember..?
I'm not overly familiar with the comics character, so I'll take your word for it. FWIW I never read Ledger's Joker as 'insane' - he's just
utterly nihilistic. He's a sociopath, a psychopath an anarchist - but there's a logic to what he does, a desire to expose the true human nature masked by society.
"When the chips are down, these people will eat each other". To me that's far more chilling and relevant than a pantomime 'Clown prince of crime' type villain.
Meticulous planning just seems so far removed from his philosophical stance. I believed in his distaste of the 'schemers', but it seemed at odds with the plot of the film.
Quote from: radiator on 13 July, 2012, 11:53:15 AM
QuoteThe Joker always claims not to make plans and he always does- he's insane remember..?
I'm not overly familiar with the comics character, so I'll take your word for it. FWIW I never read Ledger's Joker as 'insane' - he's just utterly nihilistic. He's a sociopath, a psychopath an anarchist - but there's a logic to what he does, a desire to expose the true human nature masked by society. "When the chips are down, these people will eat each other". To me that's far more chilling and relevant than a pantomime 'Clown prince of crime' type villain.
Meticulous planning just seems so far removed from his philosophical stance. I believed in his distaste of the 'schemers', but it seemed at odds with the plot of the film.
it does seem like that, but it is consistent with the Joker! As he said in The Killing Joke and demonstrated in the movie, if he had a past, he'd like it to be multiple choice.
Doesn't really matter if you've read any comics. Throughout the film The Joker makes a lot of untrue and blatantly contradictory statements. The origin of his smile, for instance. The not making plans spiel is entirely "consistent" with this.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 July, 2012, 11:58:25 AM
--but there's a logic to what he does, a desire to expose the true human nature masked by society. "When the chips are down, these people will eat each other". To me that's far more chilling and relevant than a pantomime 'Clown prince of crime' type villain.
Yes, that sums it up for me too, about the Joker in the movie. I even think his goal in the end is a suicide by cop (in his case batman).
He got Harvey going insane and broken by breaking his belief in the system, and I think he wanted a similar thing for batman by making him break his one rule about not killing someone.
But then he also said that he's like a dog chasing cars, but not knowing what he'd do if he catched one.
Can't believe that people are trying to find logic and consistency in the Joker's actions! There isn't any- that's the point!
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 July, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
Can't believe that people are trying to find logic and consistency in the Joker's actions! There isn't any- that's the point!
But it's consistently inconsistent.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 July, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
Can't believe that people are trying to find logic and consistency in the Joker's actions! There isn't any- that's the point!
He does seem to try to prove something similar to The Killing Joke's "One bad day...", but at the same time he doesn't seem to care that much either when neither of the ferries explodes (since he'll set them off himself) and when Batman doesn't let him drop he just laughs.
Have you read Brian Azzarello and Lee Bermejo's The Joker by the way? It has a similar tricky portrayal of him, and a point of the story is the danger of rationalizing such crazy and unstoppable force/person. A real good read, and the joker looks familiar to the movie one (which I think is a coincident, since Lee's "realistic" joker design is 5 years older)
(http://i.imgur.com/0pPhV.jpg)
Well, some people might prefer it to be Ridley's head, and not David's, but NECA (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/171671-comic-con-neca-shows-off-prometheus-action-figures) has released more details of its Prometheus figure line.
Ok...what I thought of Prometheus when I went to one of the last chance screenings at my local Vue cinema;
[spoiler]The film is definately not lacking for genial concepts and sci fi imagery. Scott seems to keep the claustrophobic artificial 'grey' environment and aesthetic of the first Alien film, but contrasts this with the luscious gliding vistas of green expanses of nature. There also seems to be the need to create the horror element that was present in the first Alien film; in which case the shocks and conceptual surprises of the first film have been carbon-copied in Prometheus with effort alongside some surpringly typical horror archetypes e.g. possessed men.
To me the film was a great deal better than the terrible AVP spin-off movies, and I'm glad Prometheus casts them to the wind somewhat – and the 'cinematography', FX and directing were masterful. But the film suffers from a script that is very b-movie in places, as well as a mix of too many types of 'alien baddies' and 'predators'. Not to mention how the viewer is somewhat alienated by the unknown motives of the engineer/creator race of aliens – as well as the out of place lacklustre ending and suggested opening for a sequel that will probably never get made.
Having said all that; I hope this leads to a prolific spurt of sci-fi movies from Ridley Scott, and I thought the casting was excellent with standout performances from Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender.[/spoiler]
My favourite Joker theory is that he's Hyper-Sane, constantly adapting to changing realities. I think that's Grant M's version.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 15 July, 2012, 06:33:53 PM
My favourite Joker theory is that he's Hyper-Sane, constantly adapting to changing realities. I think that's Grant M's version.
Grant Morrison pinched the observation that schizophrenia is the natural condition of 20th century Western civilization- and it's the nominally sane who are truly delusional- from
modernist and postmodernist critical theory (http://research.uvu.edu/albrecht-crane/486R/Robert%20Barrett%20review.pdf). He also wanted his Joker in
Arkham Asylum to wear a dress and fishnets, but DC widnae let him.
Judge Blake:
Very balanced summary of opinions there. Much the same as I thought.
thanks. I didn't realise I had such a well balanced opinion of the movie until I typed that lol - the movie was a good movie, but basically disappointing after all the hype and occasion surrounding it. I have to admit, I'm an intelligent movie-goer and usually have to end up explaining the twists in the plot to someone else, but Prometheus confused me in places!
It's confusing and the plot didn't make sense? How is it a good movie then..? Surely these are the most basic elements of cinematic storytelling, and this movie failed on both counts miserably!
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 02:47:29 PM
It's confusing and the plot didn't make sense? How is it a good movie then..? Surely these are the most basic elements of cinematic storytelling, and this movie failed on both counts miserably!
well I still enjoyed the movie being a film geek and it being the first time Ridley Scott has entered the realms of sci-fi for a while - and I did like alot of the direction and aesthetic imagery. But I have to admit and concur that the more and more I think about the movie, the more terrible the script seems to have been in hindsight.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 02:47:29 PM
It's confusing and the plot didn't make sense? How is it a good movie then..? Surely these are the most basic elements of cinematic storytelling, and this movie failed on both counts miserably!
Hang on... I didn't find it at all confusing or hard to follow... so... what does that..? I don't even..?
Quote from: HdE on 16 July, 2012, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 02:47:29 PM
It's confusing and the plot didn't make sense? How is it a good movie then..? Surely these are the most basic elements of cinematic storytelling, and this movie failed on both counts miserably!
Hang on... I didn't find it at all confusing or hard to follow... so... what does that..? I don't even..?
Yeah. The plot is pretty straight forward. We didn't get all the answers certainly, [spoiler]i.e. why did the Engineers turn against humanity, but since Rapace's character (I forget her name) wanted to backtrack to the Engineers' world to ask them that very question, it's obviously an answer they're leaving for later.[/spoiler]
I was also uncertain as to why [spoiler]David infected that guy, but I suspect it was simply scientific curiosity coupled with his inhuman, and therefore inhumane lack of conscience. That and The Company in the alien films are renowned for their interest in exploiting bio-weapons and I don't see this pre-cursor company is any different in that respect. I wonder if David was ahead in guessing what the Engineer's canisters were all about.[/spoiler]
I guess there were a couple of other things that puzzled me during the film, but by the end, they made sense. Which is the whole point, answers shouldn't be spelt out straight away! And if people are still wondering what that [spoiler]Alien hold/cannisters and hence, the beasties were all about[/spoiler], The Captain (ironically one of the least scientific members of the team) states it quite clearly near the end.
Don't get me wrong. It could have been a lot better, and it was a little disjointed, (and it certainly could have been original. [spoiler]I mean, who didn't see the awoken Engineer's reaction to the crew from a mile off?[/spoiler] But it largely sense.
QuoteYeah. The plot is pretty straight forward. We didn't get all the answers certainly
I'm genuinely curious as to which answers you think we DID get? Because I can't think of any.
The example you use of David's behaviour is a prime example of how bad this movie is. You can see no reason for it because there is not one. It does no make sense, no matter which way you look at it.
QuoteThe Captain (ironically one of the least scientific members of the team) states it quite clearly near the end.
I'm assuming you mean his claim that it is a [spoiler]military research base[/spoiler]? What I'd like to know is [spoiler]how did he know this? Where could he have possibly got this information? And if it is true, then why did the aliens have drawings in caves pointing to a secret base and not their home planet? [/spoiler]
So if I understand correctly, this was a finished script before it came to Scott, and yet the writer is telling us about day-long ear-benders from the director about what he wanted to do with the story? Yeah, I can't imagine why this came out somewhat scattershot...
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
The example you use of David's behaviour is a prime example of how bad this movie is. You can see no reason for it because there is not one. It does no make sense, no matter which way you look at it.
I'm assuming you mean his claim that it is a [spoiler]military research base[/spoiler]? What I'd like to know is [spoiler]how did he know this? Where could he have possibly got this information? And if it is true, then why did the aliens have drawings in caves pointing to a secret base and not their home planet? [/spoiler]
I don't think this will make you any happier about the film but, here's my take.
You remember David talking to [spoiler]Peter Weyland? When Meredith asked David what Peter said to him, he replied: "Try harder.". The reason behind this was that the engineers where dead, and they needed something, so David tried out the black goo to see if it lead somewhere.:[/spoiler]
And it wasn't stated where they got the information from. Do you for example know where they got it in the first Alien film?
I think the lack of answers to some of things in the film is one of it's strengths. Mostly because Shaw is a beliver in the christian God, and to do that she loves something that the bible states as something you should fear, something that creates and something that destroys.
And I think that's an interesting perspective, which I also think becomes more powerful since you as a film goer is left with the same questions as Shaw.
Quote from: Professah Byah on 16 July, 2012, 08:50:52 PM
So if I understand correctly, this was a finished script before it came to Scott, and yet the writer is telling us about day-long ear-benders from the director about what he wanted to do with the story? Yeah, I can't imagine why this came out somewhat scattershot...
Scott didn't go through two writers for no reason, just not the right reason.
Quote from: Borntohula on 16 July, 2012, 09:18:43 PM
Shaw is a beliver in the christian God . . .
. . . Yet, as a Christian, she didn't seem at all bothered or perturbed that her whole belief system was at best . . . wrong.
QuoteAnd I think that's an interesting perspective, which I also think becomes more powerful since you as a film goer is left with the same questions as Shaw.
Not unless her question was "Why did I just waste two hours of my life on this?" ;)
QuoteDo you for example know where they got it in the first Alien film?
Sorry, I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying that they are on the planet at the behest of The Company? If so, this doesn't make sense either, as they land on a different planet than the one in Prometheus.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 16 July, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: Borntohula on 16 July, 2012, 09:18:43 PM
Shaw is a beliver in the christian God . . .
. . . Yet, as a Christian, she didn't seem at all bothered or perturbed that her whole belief system was at best . . . wrong.
Well, not many christians seems to bother at all that science often seem like it doesn't have anything to do with any god. But that's not the point I think, I believe that to be that she's a seeker, believing in god for her could both be since her father was a priest or just a way of think that someone or something created humans. God or not, she wants to know why we where to be.
Which a lot people seems to want to know.
Me myself, I think/hope we're glorified monkeys.
It's not so much that the film is hard to follow or we don't get answers for things - its more that the explanations we do get are fucking stupid.
Like the incident mentioned above. Yeah, I get that Weyland told David to infect Holloway. But WHY? It doesn't make any sense. If they wanted to see the effects of the goo, they would have at least tested in a controlled environment. it could have been some sort of bacteria that could have killed them all in seconds for all they knew.
What was Weyland trying to achieve by doing this? I thought he was interested in eternal life, not weapons research. Why do all the characters in this film behave like they have the intellects of toddlers?
The Company schemes in Alien and Aliens made sense. Burke's ploy in Aliens was hare-brained, desperate and destined to fail. But that made sense because the character was a grasping little creep who let greed override common sense.
There is a huge difference between deliberately leaving things ambiguous and doing so as a last resort to cover up shoddy writing.
If you say 'they'll explain it in the sequel', then sorry, but you've been conned. You're a mug.
I just don't get how people are willing to overlook so much that is fundamentally wrong with this movie.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
QuoteYeah. The plot is pretty straight forward. We didn't get all the answers certainly
I'm genuinely curious as to which answers you think we DID get? Because I can't think of any.
1. We confirmed that the scientists hypothesis (or is it theory, I get those two mixed up?) that [spoiler]The Engineers created humanity[/spoiler] is correct. [spoiler]In fact not only did they make us, they made us from themselves.[/spoiler]
2. [spoiler]They seem to have followed a similar self destructive path to humanity. The crew (at least Rapace's character, her husband, Weyland and David - I think the other crew had other motivations) went in search of their creators (indirect creators in David's case) , hoping to get answers, and their creators turned out to be as destructive and gullible as humanity itself. And they used their advanced biotechnological expertise to create weapons. (In the end that's what those various critters and bio-agents are.) We're regular chips off the extraterrestrial old block. It gives a possible reason for our own destructive leanings.[/spoiler]
3. [spoiler]They are indeed advanced bioengineers, who have created lots of strange creatures, and from that little bit at the end I think it's fair to say they created the Aliens of the Alien franchise, or likely will do. (I guess this is linked in some ways to point 2.)[/spoiler]
4. [spoiler]I think the lack of other answers could well be an answer in itself. Maybe the only answers humanity will get will be from within rather than without.[/spoiler]
QuoteThe example you use of David's behaviour is a prime example of how bad this movie is. You can see no reason for it because there is not one. It does no make sense, no matter which way you look at it.
It's not spelt out, certainly. [spoiler]I think the fact he is an amoral scientist pretty much covers it though. He treated members of his own crew as guinea pigs. "Try harder" said Wayland. David did just that.[/spoiler]
5.
QuoteThe Captain (ironically one of the least scientific members of the team) states it quite clearly near the end.
I'm assuming you mean his claim that it is a [spoiler]military research base[/spoiler]? What I'd like to know is [spoiler]how did he know this? [/spoiler][/quote]
I'll admit, that was a bit of a jump, but not too big of one. [spoiler]The word 'Engineers' was used from the beginning and seemed to be backed up by Rapace's discovery when comparing human and Engineer DNA. The Engineers had a cargo hold full of canisters containing nasty things. And there were strong indications from Holograms and and exploding Engineer's head that they were destroyed by the contents of their own cannisters.
Of course just having the cannisters does not indicate that they created the critters on the ship, but when you take all that together, and couple that with the fact that the ship formed part of a rather permanent building structure, the leap is not a big one.[/spoiler]
There should have been stronger indicators though, like [spoiler]David decoding a scientific log, for example.[/spoiler]
Quote[spoiler]And if it is true, then why did the aliens have drawings in caves pointing to a secret base and not their home planet? [/spoiler]
Two logical reasons I can think of, and I accept this is speculation on my part, which may back up your reasoning of lack of answers within the film itself.
1. [spoiler]If you wanted to check up on your creations, what better place than at a scientific outpost? [/spoiler]
2. [spoiler]If you knew there was a good chance that your creations would be extremely advanced by the time they decided to drop in, would you give them the coordinates of your home planet? For all you know there ideas of gaining answers might involve pointing great big nukes at you and demanding your technology. (And it doesn't follow that the Engineers would always be a match for humanity. Humanity might have made a major spurt in their weapons tech and the Engineers might gone through a long stagnant period in innovation. I'm not saying that's what actually happend, mind, I'm just speculating on future scenareos that may have gone through the heads of the Engineer cave painters.[/spoiler]
EDIT- Apologies, I see some of the stuff I mentioned was covered by stuff posted by other people in the interim. That's what I get for being long winded in my posts.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 09:58:46 PM
QuoteAnd I think that's an interesting perspective, which I also think becomes more powerful since you as a film goer is left with the same questions as Shaw.
Not unless her question was "Why did I just waste two hours of my life on this?" ;)
QuoteDo you for example know where they got it in the first Alien film?
Sorry, I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying that they are on the planet at the behest of The Company? If so, this doesn't make sense either, as they land on a different planet than the one in Prometheus.
Ha, you almost got -me- a point there ;)
No. I know it's two entirely different planets, different companies and that it's 30years between the films in the universe. I just pointed out that the first alien film gives every detail either, and for me that doesn't matter if I'm not entirely in the loop on how or why they found the aliens. [spoiler]Weyland says that he brought Shaw and her boyfriend with them because they where believers. I don't think they made a break in discovering the planet, they where just "a crew" as the one in alien, to hide what really was going on. [/spoiler]
But then. It's been a while since I saw it. And the memory of it has cooled down a bit thanks to that Dark Knight Rises has it's premier in just a week. I could have another take/opinion about it if/when I watch Prometheus again.
Honestly - if you need to do the intellectual back-flips you're doing right now to justify the movie, then it is not a good movie.
As I said: it'll be on the same list as Battlefield Earth sooner rather than later.
THIS MOVIE CAME OUT A WHOLE MONTH AGO. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
PROMETHEUS IS OVER.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 10:13:40 PM
Honestly - if you need to do the intellectual back-flips you're doing right now to justify the movie, then it is not a good movie.
As I said: it'll be on the same list as Battlefield Earth sooner rather than later.
Couldn't agree more. The apologists would have you believe that 'Blade Runner and Alien got bad reviews on release because they went over critic's heads, it's the same for Prometheus, it'll be recognised for the classic it is in years to come'
I think completely the opposite - once the hype dies down, a lot of people are finally going to open their eyes to what a Phantom Menace-esque load of nonsense it is.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 10:13:40 PM
Honestly - if you need to do the intellectual back-flips you're doing right now to justify the movie, then it is not a good movie.
As I said: it'll be on the same list as Battlefield Earth sooner rather than later.
I haven't stated that I loved every bit of this movie just because I don't dislike it as much as some do.
I have admitted that while I like the ideas it brings to the table, but I'v also said it's a very flawed movie. It's certainly not in any length good as Alien or Blade Runner, at least not for me (or you either)
Who knows, a theory about why some doesn't 100% dislike the movie could be based on the fact that Noomi Rapace and Charlize Theron is in it?
And mostly I just watch movies. Some theories on "how is this possible?" may arise, but it's not like my life is depending on it. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to find joy in Star wars, black and white space operas or Zardoz wouldn't I ;) ?
Quote from: radiator on 16 July, 2012, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 10:13:40 PM
Honestly - if you need to do the intellectual back-flips you're doing right now to justify the movie, then it is not a good movie.
As I said: it'll be on the same list as Battlefield Earth sooner rather than later.
Couldn't agree more. The apologists would have you believe that 'Blade Runner and Alien got bad reviews on release because they went over critic's heads, it's the same for Prometheus, it'll be recognised for the classic it is in years to come'
I think completely the opposite - once the hype dies down, a lot of people are finally going to open their eyes to what a Phantom Menace-esque load of nonsense it is.
I take it that I look like a apologist? What I react to the most is the fact that just because I liked some bits of the film it's portrayed like I'v said "nay sayers are wrong, it's a classic.". I'd say I give it about 2 tits out of 5.
It's like the fact that I really like the pod race in Star Wars episode 1 The Phantom Mayonnaise, but that doesn't mean I'v said "I love this movie entirely" now does it?
I don't think it's an overall good movie, but I don't see the importance in harshly telling people off about the opposite and trying to rise a mob against a movie you don't like.
Quote from: Borntohula on 16 July, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
I don't think it's an overall good movie, but I don't see the importance in harshly telling people off about the opposite and trying to rise a mob against a movie you don't like.
To be fair I don't think either of them are going that far and you shouldn't take it that way.
They do raise good points.
We can still enjoy the film.
Quote from: Mardroid on 16 July, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
Quote from: Borntohula on 16 July, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
I don't think it's an overall good movie, but I don't see the importance in harshly telling people off about the opposite and trying to rise a mob against a movie you don't like.
To be fair I don't think either of them are going that far and you shouldn't take it that way.
They do raise good points.
We can still enjoy the film.
Well okay. You are probably right.
Sorry if I reacted like if I was on IMDB.com or something. This forum is much better than that ;)
Not having s pop at anyone in particular borntohula, I just get a bit irrational when someone says Prometheus is an intelligent or thought-provoking movie.
It's neither - it is in fact a deeply stupid and silly one.
Well the same goes for me when it comes to some music and swedish politics, I know exactly how it is ;)
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 16 July, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: Borntohula on 16 July, 2012, 09:18:43 PM
Shaw is a beliver in the christian God . . .
. . . Yet, as a Christian, she didn't seem at all bothered or perturbed that her whole belief system was at best . . . wrong.
As a boffin, Shaw would have to accept that she didn't have all the answers and some things would be a matter of faith - this is not incompatible with Christianity, it's a
prerequisite. It's only total nutjobs that think they have it all figured out and that God doesn't test their faith.
Quote from: radiator on 16 July, 2012, 10:28:52 PM
The apologists would have you believe that 'Blade Runner and Alien got bad reviews on release
Alien, or Prometheus? (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/robbiecollin/100064415/sniggering-at-prometheus-the-jokes-on-you/)
Quote from: Mardroid on 16 July, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
To be fair I don't think either of them are going that far
I must admit, im siding with borntohula on this. He's held his own well, and made some good replies/points on here,which have largely gone unacknowledged.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 10:13:40 PM
Honestly - if you need to do the intellectual back-flips you're doing right now to justify the movie, then it is not a good movie.
As I said: it'll be on the same list as Battlefield Earth sooner rather than later.
I dont think anybody is saying Prometheus is a perfect film by any stretch, but what i dont understand is why certain people, yes - i am looking at you Richmond, Radiator et al, see fit to post what amounts to nothing more than snipes, and seem hell bent in getting in the dismissive last word all the time.
Quote from: Mardroid on 16 July, 2012, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: HdE on 16 July, 2012, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 02:47:29 PM
It's confusing and the plot didn't make sense? How is it a good movie then..? Surely these are the most basic elements of cinematic storytelling, and this movie failed on both counts miserably!
Hang on... I didn't find it at all confusing or hard to follow... so... what does that..? I don't even..?
Yeah. The plot is pretty straight forward. We didn't get all the answers certainly, [spoiler]i.e. why did the Engineers turn against humanity, but since Rapace's character (I forget her name) wanted to backtrack to the Engineers' world to ask them that very question, it's obviously an answer they're leaving for later.[/spoiler]
I was also uncertain as to why [spoiler]David infected that guy, but I suspect it was simply scientific curiosity coupled with his inhuman, and therefore inhumane lack of conscience. That and The Company in the alien films are renowned for their interest in exploiting bio-weapons and I don't see this pre-cursor company is any different in that respect. I wonder if David was ahead in guessing what the Engineer's canisters were all about.[/spoiler]
I guess there were a couple of other things that puzzled me during the film, but by the end, they made sense. Which is the whole point, answers shouldn't be spelt out straight away! And if people are still wondering what that [spoiler]Alien hold/cannisters and hence, the beasties were all about[/spoiler], The Captain (ironically one of the least scientific members of the team) states it quite clearly near the end.
Don't get me wrong. It could have been a lot better, and it was a little disjointed, (and it certainly could have been original. [spoiler]I mean, who didn't see the awoken Engineer's reaction to the crew from a mile off?[/spoiler] But it largely sense.
I mean I did enjoy the movie as I've no doubt stated and I do think it is a decent add-on to the alien movies. But there were some very b-movie lines in the film that seemed poor for the kind of film Ridley Scott was trying to make - plus, as far as the plot goes, I believe you can have something known as the 'Lost effect' whereby, like the viewers of Lost, the audience gets alienated by the intentional ambiguity of certain plot devices and twists.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 16 July, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: Borntohula on 16 July, 2012, 09:18:43 PM
Shaw is a beliver in the christian God . . .
. . . Yet, as a Christian, she didn't seem at all bothered or perturbed that her whole belief system was at best . . . wrong.
lol this reminds me actually - I thought the references to christianity by the characters and the very presence of the cross on Shaw was to fend off religious activists from the film and to prevent key figures in the church condemning the movie Life of Brian style. In a movie that questions the belief of religion, specifically christianity, they will usually have a week passage of dialogue that still reaffirms the 'validity' of christian values and beliefs.
Why are you still talking about this? Why aren't you talking about Mr Lambert?
Quote from: Professah Byah on 16 July, 2012, 11:22:51 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 16 July, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: Borntohula on 16 July, 2012, 09:18:43 PM
Shaw is a beliver in the christian God . . .
. . . Yet, as a Christian, she didn't seem at all bothered or perturbed that her whole belief system was at best . . . wrong.
As a boffin, Shaw would have to accept that she didn't have all the answers and some things would be a matter of faith - this is not incompatible with Christianity, it's a prerequisite. It's only total nutjobs that think they have it all figured out and that God doesn't test their faith.
At no point, though, is Shaw's faith actually tested. Instead, we get some smug line about who then made the Engineers. Pseudery, that's all it is, deluding itself that it's something profound.
Can all the people claiming this film has 'big ideas and themes' explain them to me?
'Mankind was created by an alien race, using their DNA". Well, consider my mind blown by that old-as-the-hills, cliched sci-fi concept.
There's a lot of scattershot symbolism and mythological references, but it's sheer pretentiousness - none of it actually means anything or is explored at all. I'd respect the film more if it concerned itself more with telling a coherent story with believable characters.
And as for that ridiculous news article - written, in a staggering coincidence, by the ex-film critic of the News of the World, what a load of balls. it's more likely that the people who gave it GOOD reviews will be the ones being laughed at in a few years time, like Empire infamously giving Attack of the Clones 5 stars.
To clarify for Americans: that's the Fox/Murdoch-owned News of the World.
I have to say - I don't feel prometheus was so bad that it will be dug up and villified as a piece of reprobate trash some years later - I feel too many good and rubbish movies will have passed for Prometheus to be singled out and the film was visually impressive imo. Ok the film was a let down due to the history it's tieing itself to e.g. Ridley Scott's sci fi moviemaking mythalogical status, the fact Alien and Aliens were such great movies etc The script was terrible in places and the ideas and concepts were grandiose and impressive but nevertheless borrowed e.g. At the Mountains of Madness, the first Alien movie etc etc etc But was the movie so terrible it should be compared with real stinkers???
Quote from: judgeblake on 17 July, 2012, 06:17:51 PM
I have to say - I don't feel prometheus was so bad that it will be dug up and villified as a piece of reprobate trash some years later
I think Prometheus' fire will dim quite a bit over the years. There's just not much meat there other than some nice visuals and the
signal to noise ratio at the moment on forums discussing its philosophical and artistic 'weight' is tuned more to the crackling end of that band - it won't last.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 06:20:40 PM
I think Prometheus' fire will dim quite a bit over the years.
I see what you did there.
Judging by inter-web broo-ha, — it might maintain a dedicated and deluded core fan-base who are convinced that it really is well-thought out and 'deep' and that just seems like a narrative mess to those who aren't smart enough to get the deeper meaning, man.
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
STOP TALKING ABOUT PROMETHEUS
PROMETHEUS IS OVER
Sigh... Roger, your MOM is Prometheus. Or over. Whichever gets me the biggest and cheapest laughs.
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
'folks who enjoyed this movie' are 'folks who enjoyed this movie' : so them, no.( I wouldn't count myself among their number ,but 'different strokes': I also hate rhubarb) a theoretical future fan-base who claim that this film's lack of popularity is the result of it's depth, ( or attribute genius to all of the narrative mis-steps ), yes.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 18 July, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
STOP TALKING ABOUT PROMETHEUS
PROMETHEUS IS OVER
But the debate about Prometheus will never be over: it addresses fundamental questions about how and what a story should be (and maybe how much we, as consumers of this media, are prepared to put up with).
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
Seems simple enough to me...i laugh at the film's faults but i still enjoyed it.
Some people just like to argue i guess.
Quote from: hoops on 18 July, 2012, 09:18:28 AM
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
Seems simple enough to me...i laugh at the film's faults but i still enjoyed it.
Some people just like to argue i guess.
No they don't!
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 18 July, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: hoops on 18 July, 2012, 09:18:28 AM
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
Seems simple enough to me...i laugh at the film's faults but i still enjoyed it.
Some people just like to argue i guess.
No they don't!
Oooooh, yes they do!
That's not argument! That's contradiction!
I prefer it to arguing...
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
The issue, I think, is people admitting, yes, it
is rubbish but, y'know. It's good
despite it being rubbish.
PROMETHEUS IS OVER
I don't understand you Roger, why don't you just ignore conversations that dont interest you?
(also , I think you might have hit 'caps-lock' by accident )
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 06:20:40 PM
I think Prometheus' fire will dim quite a bit over the years. There's just not much meat there other than some nice visuals and the signal to noise ratio at the moment on forums discussing its philosophical and artistic 'weight' is tuned more to the crackling end of that band - it won't last.
Thats a sober analysis, Joe, and one i dont necessarily disagree with, but it could be
equally stated that on the forums there is a considerable appetite for Prometheus still, suggesting it may have legs.
The film, or more to the point, the people behind the film, have certainly put a few noses out of joint, so its not suprising to see people channeling the restless spirit of
Rock Hudson (http://biganklevich.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/2001-space-odyssey.html) on here, ;)
Quote from: darnmarr on 18 July, 2012, 02:29:41 AM
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
'folks who enjoyed this movie' are 'folks who enjoyed this movie' : so them, no.( I wouldn't count myself among their number ,but 'different strokes': I also hate rhubarb) a theoretical future fan-base who claim that this film's lack of popularity is the result of it's depth, ( or attribute genius to all of the narrative mis-steps ), yes.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 18 July, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
STOP TALKING ABOUT PROMETHEUS
PROMETHEUS IS OVER
But the debate about Prometheus will never be over: it addresses fundamental questions about how and what a story should be (and maybe how much we, as consumers of this media, are prepared to put up with).
I agree with this
Quote from: hoops on 18 July, 2012, 09:18:28 AM
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
Seems simple enough to me...i laugh at the film's faults but i still enjoyed it.
Some people just like to argue i guess.
I agree with this as well
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 18 July, 2012, 02:25:23 PM
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
The issue, I think, is people admitting, yes, it is rubbish but, y'know. It's good despite it being rubbish.
I don't think anything has to be that black and white e.g. I think the movie was disapointing but had good visuals, I think the direction was good but the script was terrible, I like Sylvester Stallone but Judge Dredd the movie wasn't great lol etc
Quote from: darnmarr on 18 July, 2012, 02:37:31 PM
I don't understand you Roger, why don't you just ignore conversations that dont interest you?
(also , I think you might have hit 'caps-lock' by accident )
lol PROMETHEUS IS OVER - SO SAYS CHIEF JUDGE CAL AND DEPUTY CHIEF JUDGE FISH 'BLOOP'
Quote from: Judge Jack on 18 July, 2012, 06:30:02 PM
The film, or more to the point, the people behind the film, have certainly put a few noses out of joint, so its not suprising to see people channeling the restless spirit of Rock Hudson (http://biganklevich.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/2001-space-odyssey.html) on here, ;)
Even with the smiley, I'm not sure I get your point. People (here, at least) are criticizing PROMETHEARSE because it's a tale told badly, not because they didn't understand it.
Quote from: judgeblake on 18 July, 2012, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 18 July, 2012, 02:25:23 PM
Quote from: HdE on 17 July, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
I brought this up WAAAAYYYY back in the thread - but do folks who enjoyed this movie REALLY have to be labelled as 'deluded'?
Is it not simply enough for some folks to have enjoyed the movie, and continue to enjoy it in spite of its problems?
The issue, I think, is people admitting, yes, it is rubbish but, y'know. It's good despite it being rubbish.
I don't think anything has to be that black and white e.g. I think the movie was disapointing but had good visuals, I think the direction was good but the script was terrible . . .
Sci fi at its worst, then. As long as it looks good . . .
Looks like this thread will live on...
Fox Confirm Plans For A PROMETHEUS Sequel Set To Be Released In 2014 Or 2015 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=64921#3lIejBVD045Wu8xQ.99)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
Looks like this thread will live on...
Fox Confirm Plans For A PROMETHEUS Sequel Set To Be Released In 2014 Or 2015 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=64921#3lIejBVD045Wu8xQ.99)
I'd be up for that.
There's a lot of criticism that Prometheus was bad sci-fi. But compared to most of the blockbuster sci-fi of late it's practically an existential masterpiece.
It may not of developed its ideas adequately, but at least it had some.
Most mainstream, blockbuster movies don't even bother with those.
I think it's more the fact that it was putting itself above those schlocky films but ending up failing on both brains and entertainment that fires most of the criticism, which is a fair enough for a stupidly pretentious $200 million film.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
I think it's more the fact that it was putting itself above those schlocky films but ending up failing on both brains and entertainment that fires most of the criticism, which is a fair enough for a stupidly pretentious $200 million film.
Well not by me. I never elevated it beyond entertaining Sci-Fi movie.
Which it succeeded in being, in my opinion.
If you're looking for flacid profundity and self importance I'd say TDKR was more guilty of that.
TDKR is undoubtedly better written and directed despite its obvious faults. Scott is not half the director Nolan is.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2012, 10:04:37 PM
TDKR is undoubtedly better written and directed despite its obvious faults. Scott is not half the director Nolan is.
I can't agree with that, as much as I like a lot of Nolan's films.
Give him another 20 years in the business and he may be due a reappraisal.
The appraisal of Scott wasn't great at the start - more critical/audience misses than hits - it's not been great in recent years either. Nolan, whatever you or I think of him, hasn't made a bad film yet.
I think Scott is probably in full denial mode and Prometheus [spoiler]left no choice but to have a sequel really e.g. who the hell do they find in the original Alien? who actually was the spacejockey? a creator alien....but not from the events of Prometheus. [/spoiler]
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
Looks like this thread will live on...
Fox Confirm Plans For A PROMETHEUS Sequel Set To Be Released In 2014 Or 2015 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=64921#3lIejBVD045Wu8xQ.99)
Im not suprised at that news, though 2014/15 is a ways off yet. If i was cynical, i would say thatll be when we get the DVD extended cut for Prometheus, ;)
Personally im keen to see a sequel, despite all of Prometheus' faults.
Damon Lindelof seems to have ruled himself out this time, and whether Scott is given the chance to return, well, we'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 01 August, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
Im not suprised at that news, though 2014/15 is a ways off yet.
I am surprised, I'm not sure if it's broken-even. It cost over $180 million but has earned only $300 million - nearly half of which would be taken by theatres. Films usually need to take in at least 2.5 - 3 X budget to guarantee sequels.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2012, 10:41:15 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 01 August, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
Im not suprised at that news, though 2014/15 is a ways off yet.
I am surprised, I'm not sure if it's broken-even. It cost over $180 million but has earned only $300 million - nearly half of which would be taken by theatres. Films usually need to take in at least 2.5 - 3 X budget to guarantee sequels.
Scott may get carte blanche becuase of his reputation maybe.
I hope this stays in development hell for eternity.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2012, 10:41:15 PM
I am surprised, I'm not sure if it's broken-even. It cost over $180 million but has earned only $300 million - nearly half of which would be taken by theatres. Films usually need to take in at least 2.5 - 3 X budget to guarantee sequels.
Maybe its done just enough?
"The studio's big summer bet was Ridley Scott's Prometheus, June's sort-of Alien prequel. The $130 million-budgeted film grossed a solid but not spectacular $303 million globally, putting it right on the franchise bubble".
Still got the dvd/blu-ray sales to come, though how much they rake in, ive no idea.
I welcome a sequel. Prometheus was very much a set up film with questions left unanswered.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 01 August, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Maybe its done just enough?
"The studio's big summer bet was Ridley Scott's Prometheus, June's sort-of Alien prequel. The $130 million-budgeted film grossed a solid but not spectacular $303 million globally, putting it right on the franchise bubble".
The budget plus marketing is
$180 million (http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/prometheus-2012?q=prometheus) - possibly over that since it was one of the biggest campaigns of the year, maybe eclipsing TDKR.
I demand this is directed by James Cameron and is called Prometheuses
Still good news IMHO, still think theres a bit of a story left to tell/retcon.
CU Radbacker
Today I watched a thing I had sky+ed while ago called Prometheus Discovered where the zany jackass man-boy Alex Zane looked at the film ahead of it's release and interviewed several cast members as well as Ridley Scott.
I had to stop watching it half way through because it was so frustrating knowing the film I had seen. For instance - Ridley said he was coaxed back into directing sci fi by the fans rather than the new tech and script and so they of course showed clips of Alien, and Blade Runner - two masterpieces of cinema, Prometheus is absolutely nothing in comparison to those other films of Scotts'! I think Prometheus is a massive shame and the problem lies in the script, as well as Scott relying far too much on the script - something he didn't do in Alien and Blade Runner. Just watching clips of the three (Blade Runner, Prometheus and Alien) I suddenly realised eerie and creepy tension was completely lacking in Prometheus from what I remember. Tension is vital for a good horror/sci fi movie! I can't believe Scott wouldn't have gone in to the editing booth in the end process and not realised that there were lines of poor poor dialogue, and that there wasn't enough tension building!
Plus! Scott says what finally drew him to the project was that someone said that the previous Alien sequels did not explain the space-jockey's presence in the original film [spoiler]and is it just my memory - or am I right in saying Prometheus failed to explain the space jockey's presence in the original Alien? I mean, we know who or what the space-jockey was now - but what were they doing? developing space weapons? creating aliens? are we meant to find out in the sequel to Prometheus???[/spoiler]
Anyway - I think -
- Ridley Scott should direct the sequel with more of the same visuals but giving the visuals more screen time creating tension more and horror, rather than giving credence to a bloated cast-underwritten characters and terrible lines of dialogue.
- James Cameron should do some lightweight producing just to put his stamp on it as well as lending a hand to tech use and 3d-ness.
- Scott should get Orci and Kurtzman to write the script/screenplay, or even get Del Toro to script the film. [spoiler]The film should take the name of the ship Shaw fled in - or even a new Weyland vessel that comes across the alien ship Shaw flees in adrift in space?[/spoiler] rather than 'Prometheus 2/Prometheuses'. There should be less of a cast, a core of well written characters bringing back only a few characters from Prometheus. [spoiler]And hopefully Scott won't take it in the direction I fear he will and have Shaw arrive on the creator-aliens planet and go on some Avatar-esque adventures! Scott has to get real and make the sequel more in keeping with the Alien franchise.[/spoiler]
I place a lot of the blame with Scott, Lindelof was hired precisely because of how he writes and Scott colloborated, dictated and approved of every draft.
You only need read how Scott butchered the screenplay Nottingham -Robin Hood - to get a hint of his process:
http://sex-in-a-sub.blogspot.ie/2010/05/robbing-from-poor-writer.html
Ridley Scott needs a strong executive producer to tell him when things are shite before he shoots a single frame.
Quote from: judgeblake on 02 August, 2012, 12:41:40 PM
- Scott should get Orci and Kurtzman to write the script/screenplay, or even get Del Toro to script the film.
I don't think Del Toro would be that enthused considering he claims immense disappointment that
Prometheus featured many of the things he intended for his adaptation of
At the Mountains...
I don't expect a Prometheus sequel to ever materialise - Scott has the Counselor, Blade Runner sequel and whatever else in-between to keep him busy so he either passes on the directing mantle to someone else or it's just left as one of those just in case on-the-shelf projects.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2012, 01:21:48 PM
I don't expect a Prometheus sequel to ever materialise - Scott has the Counselor, Blade Runner sequel and whatever else in-between to keep him busy so he either passes on the directing mantle to someone else or it's just left as one of those just in case on-the-shelf projects.
And not forgetting that he'll be
75 later this year, and, well, how old by the time Prometheus 2 rolls round?
Seriously, how many of these huge projects does he think he has left in him?
Quote from: GordonR on 02 August, 2012, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2012, 01:21:48 PM
I don't expect a Prometheus sequel to ever materialise - Scott has the Counselor, Blade Runner sequel and whatever else in-between to keep him busy so he either passes on the directing mantle to someone else or it's just left as one of those just in case on-the-shelf projects.
And not forgetting that he'll be 75 later this year, and, well, how old by the time Prometheus 2 rolls round?
Seriously, how many of these huge projects does he think he has left in him?
Writer Cormac McCarthy is 79 and still kicking and Akira Kurosawa directed his last movie at the age of 83 and Ingemar Bergman his at 85. Ridley should have a good 10 years left ;)
How good were those films and did they cost nearly $200 million?
Quick, one more post to get you to 10,000 Joe! Or you saving it for summat special?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2012, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: judgeblake on 02 August, 2012, 12:41:40 PM
- Scott should get Orci and Kurtzman to write the script/screenplay, or even get Del Toro to script the film.
I don't think Del Toro would be that enthused considering he claims immense disappointment that Prometheus featured many of the things he intended for his adaptation of At the Mountains...
well apparently Del Toro has put At the Mountains... in limbo due to similarities with the already released Prometheus. I've heard Scott talk about his inspirations before and he has mentioned H.P. Lovecraft and At the Mountains.. quite a while before Del Toro's project. I think Del Toro should have continued with the project especially after the dissapointment of Prometheus. But from what I've read and interviews I've seen Del Toro isn't bitter as he's such a geek himself and was as hyped as any of us were regarding Ridley Scott returning to the world of sci fi. So what better guy to write a script for a prometheus sequel.....plus Del Toro could write for an ensemble cast better than Lindelof did for Prometheus that's for sure!
I've just realised this is all abit fanwanky of me lol
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2012, 02:55:10 PM
How good were those films and did they cost nearly $200 million?
Not their best movies, not in my opinion at least. But still solid films. And I don't such directors care that much what money they got to their table. At least not Ridley and Kurosawa.
And Kagemusha and Ran by Akira was some of his last films, and probably his biggest. Ran is one of the best films I'v ever seen.
Well well. Time will probably tell, not some comparison made by me on a forum. But still, if you have chance you should watch Ran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbbfDntoRRk
I've seen Ran, it's a good film that made it's money. It cost $12 million in 1985 which would be around $50 million now. While Kurosawa was always a better film-maker, I don't believe Scott should get $200 million to make films if they end up like Robin Hood and Prometheus. If it were a younger director an exec would've stepped in.
Well, when I think about it, especially when you mention Robin Hood. I may a bit blinded by the briliance of Blade Runner :-[
Well. The counselor looks promising. A good script penned by McCarthy(who just seems to get better and better at it), and hopefully Ridley doing a good job.
Other than that. Says in this interview http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-deleted-scenes-interview/172202/ both that he's happy with Prometheus, but it still looks like if there could be an extended cut. I don't think it will cure what's wrong with it, not for me at least, but still. Could be interesting.
A little taster before the dvd/bluray is released next month.
Six deleted scenes (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=26030&count=0) from Prometheus.
My favourite review:
more of a heartfelt rant (http://chantofthebarbiedolls.blogspot.ie/)
Quote from: darnmarr on 11 September, 2012, 04:07:57 AM
My favourite review:
more of a heartfelt rant (http://chantofthebarbiedolls.blogspot.ie/)
Beautiful!
In space, no one can hear you scream at the TV.
Quote from: darnmarr on 11 September, 2012, 04:07:57 AM
My favourite review:
more of a heartfelt rant (http://chantofthebarbiedolls.blogspot.ie/)
Yep, that was great - cheers!
I like this one. Bitchy, but right on the money in most respects.
http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2012/06/prometheus.html (http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2012/06/prometheus.html)
I told him you wanted to live forever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK684Ti1KyI&feature=youtu.be)
I saw Prometheus on the pictures and walked out at the end finding myself unable to speak for a while; when talk of an installment for Blade Runner started being discussed again not long after, I immediately groaned at the idea of a director seemingly wanting to revisit one of his earlier (and best) works after so recently wrecking another.
But anyway, here's Fassbender in a promotional video for the best live band I ever got to see. Filmed some years ago, he's probably "too big" to wear such a costume again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRSslBi2CY
Prometheus was the biggest pile of crap I've seen all year. I seriously wonder if Ridley Scott has lost the plot allowing Lindlehof to write such an embarrassingly bad script that doesn't even marry up with what's seen in Alien regarding the Space Jockey, let alone film it. it makes the Alien vs Predator films look good in comparison. It makes Alien Resurrection look slightly better. That's an awful thing to say I know, but true none the less. Such a disappointment. Males me have no hope for Ridley and the Blade Runner sequel.
Quote from: Charlie boy on 19 September, 2012, 05:04:12 PM
But anyway, here's Fassbender in a promotional video for the best live band I ever got to see. Filmed some years ago, he's probably "too big" to wear such a costume again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRSslBi2CY
Dunno about that... Apparently, he's recently been cast as the lead in a new film based on the life of
Frank Sidebottom (http://youtu.be/Ddb7CorUBFM).
Yes, you read that correctly.
I kinda liked it but did realise half way through I was doing the same "That makes no sen...... ah fuck it" mental jumps I do in order to love dumb films like Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus. A lot of them too. Shouldn't really have to do that in what is a pretty high brow genre film.
Sadly everything that makes the first film a classic, the suspense, the atmosphere, the way they make essentially stereotype characters feel incredibly real, is missing. Yeah Scott was on fire back then but it shows just how much Alien was Dan O'Bannon's baby
The difference between Alien and Prometheus has nothing to do with Dan O'Bannion, whose initial schlocky script was heavily rewritten by Walter Hill and David Giler. It's the difference between a talent at the start of his directorial career, and a man in his 70s whose best creative years are well behind him.
Brace yourselves now for the Bladerunner revisitation.
Yeah, good point, forgetting my sci-fi nerd history there. I shoulda just said script really as I thought it was the story that let the film down more than any obviously bad direction.
Also I'm a total pussy with films and while I have no problem with blood and guts I'm crap at the jump-y bits, even those my ex-Fangoria reader can see telegraphed a mile off. Think I shoulda had at least one moment in the film where I was at least slightly anxious. I mean I've seen the first film dozens of times but still get tensed up when Dallas goes into the vents.
Which of course may be down to the editing and direction so I've talked myself into a circle :-X
There are hundreds of hilarious discussion threads over on IMDB where Ridley Scott apologists tie themselves in knots trying to explain why the gaping plot holes in Prometheus aren't actually such, and if you think they are, you're stupid.
I swear someone on there was seriously arguing the reason the geologist and biologist behaved so illogically and inconsistently was because they were 'obviously' not scientists, and were 'obviously' spies/sabateurs, and everyone was stupid for not picking up on this 'subplot'. "You all need everything spelled out to you, you're obviously not intelligent enough for this film etc etc".
I heard another theory that it was because they were both really stoned, which makes a modicum of sense, but if true is still utterly terrible writing.
Now that the dust has settled and the DVD release is imminent, I hope we can all agree that no, the 'directors cut' will not salvage this train wreck of a film, and it was frankly, nice visuals aside, just a bit shit.
I figure Prometheus will be a film I'll never watch again, definitely not in its entirety. When it comes to being screened on television it might be background noise at the most while I'm doing something else but it's just something I've got no interest in now. I liked Gladiator and Matchstick Men, which are fairly recent works, but Prometheus was a mess to me. I personally think the problems actually start once they land on the planet and alien life comes into it.
Biggest cinematic disappointment of 2012! Awful awful movie
Well scratch going to check out Prometheus in the theatres(if it's still in, I don't know because I'm just not that interested.
I'll just have to hold out till Ridley Scott gets around to doing the Forever War and hope he doesn't fuck that up.
Quote from: jaylcookie on 22 September, 2012, 11:46:30 PM
Biggest cinematic disappointment of 2012! Awful awful movie
Have to agree, boring movie that's right up it's own arse.
High art? More like 'Wet fart'.
Cheers :)
".....and it was frankly, nice visuals aside, just a bit shit."
Radiator...you have a gift for understatement. Just a bit? Yes. If that "bit" was a shit the size of Texas.
I enjoyed Prometheus at the cinema, but it definitely seemed a bit pointless to me. It added nothing to the Alien franchise, nor did it really work as a standalone film. Loads of plot holes, too - these don't particularly bother me, as they're an inevitable aspect of storytelling, but it was hard to ignore them really.
Finally got around to seeing this and my considered opinion is:
Dull.
Quote from: Mr Walter the Wobot on 27 September, 2012, 09:02:12 PM
Loads of plot holes, too - these don't particularly bother me, as they're an inevitable aspect of storytelling
No, they're an inevitable aspect of
lazy storytelling.
Cheers
Jim
[quote/]
No, they're an inevitable aspect of lazy storytelling.
Cheers
Jim
[/quote]
Fair enough! Think Prometheus and TDKR could be on a par for plot holes.
"ALTERNATE BEGINNING AND ENDING" is an odd way to sell a dvd. i might be up for it if it has an alternate middle as well
I might be the only one looking forward to this..
No, i am too. Never mind all the murgus spoken by the many about how 'bad' it is, i'd rather find out for myself ta. At the very worst it's an evening's entertainment at the end of which i'll turn it off and never think of it again- like most films, im sad to say.
Im not a huge fan of Alien (and certainly not Aliens) so ive not really been waiting for this all my adult life or whatever- but i confess an interest. And, given the choice between renting Prometheus, or something hugely dull like The Raid or Taken or whatever, well, at least Prometheus has monsters and allegedly scary bits so is obviously more likely to get watched in our house.
SBT
taken is like a billion times better than prometheus! it's honestly stupid, whereas prometheus is like a pompous teenager hectoring you about the meaning of life
the prometheus 'special edition' has a 3 1/2 hour making-of documentary. might have been easier if scott just popped up at the beginning of the film and apologised
Quote from: Kano Magnus on 01 October, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
the prometheus 'special edition' has a 3 1/2 hour making-of documentary.
For that reason alone I'd get it..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 01 October, 2012, 11:33:43 PM
I might be the only one looking forward to this..
Nah, I'm looking forward to seeing it again. I saw a clip of one of the bonus scenes earlier, and thought to myself 'actually, that does explain away ONE of the movie's bugbears'.
Only flies in the ointment for me are:
I'm about to watch my day job go up in smoke, so no new stuff for me for a while,
and
I don't have a blu-ray player or HD TV, which kinda qualify as 'new stuff'. So if the DVD release is (as I'm led to believe) lacking any of the major content, then I'll be passing entirely.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 01 October, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
something hugely dull like The Raid or Taken or whatever,
I find it astonishing that you'd mention a brisk 90 minutes of inventive arse-kicking like The Raid in the same sentence as a turgid piece of racist crap like Taken!
Cheers
Jim
Surely Jim, you of all people understand that there are just some things you KNOW arent going to appeal. Im 42, and i know myself quite well by now- neither The Raid nor Taken (nor many other things) appeal to me at all, so given the strict choice of them or Prometheus, i'll go for the latter. I'm sure both films are wonderful for an audience that responds well to such things, but not for me thanks.
Im equally sure there's a damn good chance Prometheus will be every bit as terrible as people are saying it is! It's a moot point anyway, as i have werner herzog's 'encounters at the end of the world' to find time for first- a movie ive been waiting years to see, then hammer's 'the gorgon'. and before even them, i promised the boys 'sharktopus', 'pirates of the caribbean on stranger tides' and 'silver bullet'. Nothing has the remotest chance of being watched before theyre all done.
SBT
I think it's a bit much to say that Taken is racist. Xenophobic, sure.
Quote from: JamesC on 02 October, 2012, 10:52:39 AM
I think it's a bit much to say that Taken is racist. Xenophobic, sure.
I'm incredibly tolerant of action movies -- I can quite happily stick my brain in neutral and cruise past gaping plot holes, inconsistent characterisation, lousy science and pisspoor dialogue.
Basically, I'll sit through pretty much anything as long as it's competently directed and zips along at a fast enough pace, which Taken does. Even
so there's a dawning realisation as you watch, that film is asserting that literally
anywhere outside the US is a wretched hive of scum and villainy, and the takeaway message is: "Touch the white girl, Abdul, get a bullet in the face."
Xenophobia? Racism? Tom-AY-to, tom-AH-to...?
Cheers
Jim
I take your point.
It seems like American culture has become very aware of a generation of younger people taking a year out to travel to 'exotic' Europe. There are loads of films where they play on the 'not in Kansas anymore' culture shock - be it for comedy in films like Roadtrip or Beerfest (which both feature ludicrous national stereotypes) or thrillers like Hostel or Taken which go down the eastern European gangster route. Notably in both of these films the victims are seduced by the exotic foreigners.
It seems like it's the fear of the unknown that provides the impetus for the drama rather than true racism.
I can see why it would piss people off though.
Quote from: JamesC on 02 October, 2012, 11:45:35 AM
I take your point.
It seems like American culture has become very aware of a generation of younger people taking a year out to travel to 'exotic' Europe. There are loads of films where they play on the 'not in Kansas anymore' culture shock - be it for comedy in films like Roadtrip or Beerfest (which both feature ludicrous national stereotypes) or thrillers like Hostel or Taken which go down the eastern European gangster route. Notably in both of these films the victims are seduced by the exotic foreigners.
It seems like it's the fear of the unknown that provides the impetus for the drama rather than true racism.
I can see why it would piss people off though.
Taken really goes for it though: literrally the first person they speak to off the plane is a white slaver! What's the chances??
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 01 October, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
at least Prometheus has monsters and allegedly scary bits
Not many monsters and no scary bits whatsoever.
Add to that a cast of paper thin characters acting in inexplicably stupid ways, a plot that makes no sense and makes no attempt to explain itself and things happening for no discernable reason and you have all the ingredients of a stinking turd.
Despite all that, I enjoyed certain aspects, such as the isolated atmosphere, the design, the costumes, Fassbender, the bits that reminded me of Alien, Noomi Rapace and [spoiler]the alien abortion[/spoiler].
But what did we think of ALIEN? (http://www.remembering-alien.org/q.html)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 02 October, 2012, 11:23:02 AM
Even so there's a dawning realisation as you watch, that film is asserting that literally anywhere outside the US is a wretched hive of scum and villainy, and the takeaway message is: "Touch the white girl, Abdul, get a bullet in the face."
Xenophobia? Racism? Tom-AY-to, tom-AH-to...?
Cheers
Jim
Yeah... no. I'm gonna have to call major shenanigans on this assumption of yours.
Quote from: JamesC on 02 October, 2012, 11:45:35 AM
I take your point.
It seems like American culture has become very aware of a generation of younger people taking a year out to travel to 'exotic' Europe. There are loads of films where they play on the 'not in Kansas anymore' culture shock - be it for comedy in films like Roadtrip or Beerfest (which both feature ludicrous national stereotypes) or thrillers like Hostel or Taken which go down the eastern European gangster route. Notably in both of these films the victims are seduced by the exotic foreigners.
It seems like it's the fear of the unknown that provides the impetus for the drama rather than true racism.
^^^ THIS!
Truth!
QuoteI can see why it would piss people off though.
I can't. Not in the slightest.
Quote from: orinAGN on 02 October, 2012, 11:36:11 PM
Yeah... no. I'm gonna have to call major shenanigans on this assumption of yours.
Well, go on, then.
Every single non-American character in Taken is either directly evil or complicit in evil deeds. The closest thing to a 'character' that any of these have is the French policeman, who is introduced to us
carrying a baguette who is fairly quickly revealed to be corrupt; Neeson's character
shoots his wife in the family home and we're supposed to approve of/ be impressed by this? It's OK because the husband is a scumbag?
Turn this movie around: European girl travels to the US. Populate the film with lazy cultural stereotypes of black people who are, without exception, evil. European father proceeds to kill all the black people without hesitation or remorse. Note that European father shows little or no interest in any of the other victims of the people he's hunting, beyond the precise point where they can help further his mission to retrieve his daughter.
Still not racist, or only racist because the maligned group is now black?
The crushing irony of all this is that the film is made largely by French people and stars an Irishman, which gives the whole thing a whiff of pandering to this detestable worldview in order to make a buck.
QuoteI can't. Not in the slightest.
Try harder.
Jim
Taken stank to high heaven. The message seemed to be, 'if you're crazy enough to set foot outside the good old USA, then you're taking your life into your own hands.'
Turned it off after half an hour.
I can view Taken in two ways. One way is:
"Yeah, America can be domineering and be mistaken for being out-of-touch at times, but the world and its officials are all corrupt and dangerous and only we know how to make it better. You'll realise that eventually when we save the day our way."
Then there's the second way:
"Let's remake COMMANDO but instead of having the former CIA operative against another former CIA operative who has kidnapped his daughter, we'll have him against foreign criminals."
am I the only one who had a Peter Griffin momemt during the trailer for Taken II? - when he says 'your mother and I are about to be TAKEN'
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 October, 2012, 07:28:12 AM
The closest thing to a 'character' that any of these have is the French policeman, who is introduced to us carrying a baguette who is fairly quickly revealed to be corrupt; Neeson's character shoots his wife in the family home and we're supposed to approve of/ be impressed by this? It's OK because the husband is a scumbag?
Oh no! A movie showed a French guy with a baguette. It must be racist.
And as for this comment - "we're supposed to approve of/ be impressed by this?"
No. We're not. Neeson is shown to be just as dangerous as the villains, if not more-so. He's a man not to be trifled with.
You're forcing your assertions onto a scene.
QuoteTurn this movie around: European girl travels to the US. Populate the film with lazy cultural stereotypes of black people who are, without exception, evil. European father proceeds to kill all the black people without hesitation or remorse. Note that European father shows little or no interest in any of the other victims of the people he's hunting, beyond the precise point where they can help further his mission to retrieve his daughter.
Still not racist, or only racist because the maligned group is now black?
Still not racist. Evil people are evil because they are EVIL, not because of their race.
Evil people exist in every part of the world.
QuoteQuoteI can't. Not in the slightest.
Try harder.
Jim
Try harder at what? Being as narrow-minded as you?
Wow. You know how to make friends don't you?
Quote from: orinAGN on 03 October, 2012, 06:43:38 PM
Try harder at what? Being as narrow-minded as you?
Fifty three posts and onto my ignore list. Congratulations, you've set a new record.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 October, 2012, 06:46:10 PM
Fifty three posts and onto my ignore list. Congratulations, you've set a new record.
Oh no! An anonymous poster on the internet wants to ignore me! Because I pointed out how biased he was. Whatever shall I do?! My world is crashing around my feet! Oh! Woe is me! This is truly the end...
Whatever.
He's not anonymous - his name's right there.
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 03 October, 2012, 07:09:31 PM
He's not anonymous - his name's right there.
Anonymous as in he's a non-entity. He's a name in a forum. Not a person. It's an account.
If this were face to face, then the anonymity would be gone.
A name is only a name. It's a rather common name. And not necessarily his real name. A screen name doesn't make him less anonymous.
Anonymous has more than one definition. It doesn't JUST mean to be without a name.
It also means having no outstanding, individual, or unusual features; unremarkable or impersonal.
And a name and an avatar of a badge certainly pertain to the lack of oustanding or individual features.
And an internet forum is rather impersonal.
Not trying to bait you into an argument, or start anything with you.
Just wanted to defend my statements since you seemed so willing to challenge them.
Hope that helped.
Ah, so it's more than just the one thread is it, and not just me orinAGN is getting shirty with.
...and I thought I was making a bad start on this forum.
Definition of Anonymous: a state in which one feels safe being a total fuckwit because the person he's acting a total fuckwit towards can't break his nose.
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 October, 2012, 12:31:10 PM"Let's remake COMMANDO but instead of having the former CIA operative against another former CIA operative who has kidnapped his daughter, we'll have him against foreign criminals."
Hang on, wasn't the other former CIA operative working with columbian terrorists i.e foreign criminals? If memory serves me right that is....
You're probably right, I can only remember the basic plot of Commando and some of the more memorable quotes and scenes. So Commando and Taken aren't as different as I first implied...
Quote from: orinAGN on 03 October, 2012, 07:23:07 PM
Anonymous as in he's a non-entity. He's a name in a forum. Not a person. It's an account.
Holy crap lad, he's not remotely an anonymous non-entity, he's a highly respected professional comics letterer with impressive script credits in the Megazine, an he's
using his real name. I've never met Jim in real life either, but I'm
fairly sure he's a person, and a decent one at that. Don't mistake a robust argument for online jerkiness.
Play nice, please.
It is possible to have a debate without resorting to personal attacks, and I would much rather it was done like that...
Yeah come on, let's all get back to talking about how shit Prometheus is!
Quote from: radiator on 03 October, 2012, 09:39:17 PM
Yeah come on, let's all get back to talking about how shit Prometheus is!
When I saw it in the cinema, there was an audible groan from the audience when they [spoiler]did the stupid take the helmets [/spoiler]off bit.
When I saw it in the cinema, my friend turned to me and jokingly went "Phwoar!" when they did the [spoiler]very phallic looking aliens forcing their way into mouths[/spoiler] bit.
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 October, 2012, 09:59:52 PM
When I saw it in the cinema, my friend turned to me and jokingly went "Phwoar!" when they did the [spoiler]very phallic looking aliens forcing their way into mouths[/spoiler] bit.
I don't do this much, but: LOL.
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 October, 2012, 09:03:44 PMSo Commando and Taken aren't as different as I first implied...
Ah come on, Commando was never intentionally racist was it? They wouldn't have cast Arnold otherwise.
Or am I missing something?
Quote from: Cursed Earth Dweller on 04 October, 2012, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 October, 2012, 09:03:44 PMSo Commando and Taken aren't as different as I first implied...
Ah come on, Commando was never intentionally racist was it? They wouldn't have cast Arnold otherwise.
Or am I missing something?
Commando's not racist but it does imply that Australians are camp and could be accused of homophobia as Arnold exclaims 'Boy George? They should just call him Girl George - save all the confusion'.
QuoteAnonymous as in he's a non-entity. He's a name in a forum. Not a person. It's an account.
I'm confused. If I use a word incorrectly, does this mean you are all meant to know what my true intent was? That'll make things easier.
Anyway, to PROMETHEUS. Where did they drag up the 5 star reviews to plaster all over the DVD and Blue-Ray adverts? Even if you accepted all of the massive failings in plot, (and I often do when sat in a cinema) there's nothing there above a grudging 3 stars is there?
- Special effects? Nothing New.
- Designs? Nothing new.
- Cinematography? Generic Sci-Fi.
- Pacing? all over the place and thirty minutes too long
- 3-D? Flat.
- Script? No memorable lines.
- Trailer? gave away entire plot.
- Fassbender? Didn't show his wang.
- Rapace? She ain't all that.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 04 October, 2012, 12:24:44 PM
QuoteAnonymous as in he's a non-entity. He's a name in a forum. Not a person. It's an account.
I'm confused. If I use a word incorrectly, does this mean you are all meant to know what my true intent was? That'll make things easier.
Anyway, to PROMETHEUS. Where did they drag up the 5 star reviews to plaster all over the DVD and Blue-Ray adverts? Even if you accepted all of the massive failings in plot, (and I often do when sat in a cinema) there's nothing there above a grudging 3 stars is there?
- Special effects? Nothing New.
- Designs? Nothing new.
- Cinematography? Generic Sci-Fi.
- Pacing? all over the place and thirty minutes too long
- 3-D? Flat.
- Script? No memorable lines.
- Trailer? gave away entire plot.
- Fassbender? Didn't show his wang.
- Rapace? She ain't all that.
Fassbender not showing his wang I'll give you.
The rest I have some issues with.
Quote from: Cursed Earth Dweller on 04 October, 2012, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 October, 2012, 09:03:44 PMSo Commando and Taken aren't as different as I first implied...
Ah come on, Commando was never intentionally racist was it? They wouldn't have cast Arnold otherwise.
Or am I missing something?
Haha I am convinced you're trying to have me borrow Commando from a friend so I can answer that cos I've already admitted to only remembering the basic plot and quotes! I see it as a "Watch it when it's on ITV or Channel 5 but don't intentionally seek it out" film and you're pulling this on me?!
Quote from: JamesC on 04 October, 2012, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: Cursed Earth Dweller on 04 October, 2012, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 October, 2012, 09:03:44 PMSo Commando and Taken aren't as different as I first implied...
Ah come on, Commando was never intentionally racist was it? They wouldn't have cast Arnold otherwise.
Or am I missing something?
Commando's not racist but it does imply that Australians are camp and could be accused of homophobia as Arnold exclaims 'Boy George? They should just call him Girl George - save all the confusion'.
I genuinely don't remember that quote!
As for Tiplodocus asking where the high star ratings came from for Prometheus, I'm guessing a lot of tabloid papers because tabloids never seem to employ decent film critics and maybe places online that had never been heard of before now!
Quote from: JamesC on 04 October, 2012, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: Cursed Earth Dweller on 04 October, 2012, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 October, 2012, 09:03:44 PMSo Commando and Taken aren't as different as I first implied...
Ah come on, Commando was never intentionally racist was it? They wouldn't have cast Arnold otherwise.
Or am I missing something?
Commando's not racist but it does imply that Australians are camp and could be accused of homophobia as Arnold exclaims 'Boy George? They should just call him Girl George - save all the confusion'.
Boy George is an Ausstralian? Well fuck a duck!
QuoteAs for Tiplodocus asking where the high star ratings came from for Prometheus, I'm guessing a lot of tabloid papers because tabloids never seem to employ decent film critics and maybe places online that had never been heard of before now!
Yeah, and perhaps it also might be something to do with
certain tabloids being
owned by the same parent company that made the film....
Quote from: Charlie boy on 04 October, 2012, 12:33:27 PMHaha I am convinced you're trying to have me borrow Commando from a friend so I can answer that cos I've already admitted to only remembering the basic plot and quotes! I see it as a "Watch it when it's on ITV or Channel 5 but don't intentionally seek it out" film and you're pulling this on me?
Lol No need to watch the film for me dude, I have the DVD. I was just hoping you could point out some consitencies to your thoery for the better of my ignorance because I can't find any. No strings being pulled here :D
QuoteYeah, and perhaps it also might be something to do with certain tabloids being owned by the same parent company that made the film....
That's not really true is it? If so then I will never trust a critics opinion ever again.
Quote from: Cursed Earth Dweller on 04 October, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 04 October, 2012, 12:33:27 PMHaha I am convinced you're trying to have me borrow Commando from a friend so I can answer that cos I've already admitted to only remembering the basic plot and quotes! I see it as a "Watch it when it's on ITV or Channel 5 but don't intentionally seek it out" film and you're pulling this on me?
Lol No need to watch the film for me dude, I have the DVD. I was just hoping you could point out some consitencies to your thoery for the better of my ignorance because I can't find any. No strings being pulled here :D
Stop with the reverse psychology!
Quote from: radiator on 04 October, 2012, 12:36:33 PM
QuoteAs for Tiplodocus asking where the high star ratings came from for Prometheus, I'm guessing a lot of tabloid papers because tabloids never seem to employ decent film critics and maybe places online that had never been heard of before now!
Yeah, and perhaps it also might be something to do with certain tabloids being owned by the same parent company that made the film....
I hadn't even thought about that! Though even if you look at The D. Mirror and or its sister titles, the critics are awful. Seriously, I'm in the habit of buying TDM on Fridays just to angrily read the film reviews.
I wouldn't put any stock in anything a newspaper film critic says - with a few exceptions.
Quote from: Cursed Earth Dweller on 04 October, 2012, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 04 October, 2012, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: Cursed Earth Dweller on 04 October, 2012, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 October, 2012, 09:03:44 PMSo Commando and Taken aren't as different as I first implied...
Ah come on, Commando was never intentionally racist was it? They wouldn't have cast Arnold otherwise.
Or am I missing something?
Commando's not racist but it does imply that Australians are camp and could be accused of homophobia as Arnold exclaims 'Boy George? They should just call him Girl George - save all the confusion'.
Boy George is an Ausstralian? Well fuck a duck!
No but this dude is:
(http://www.badhaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Commando_1.jpg)
My problem with TDM's film critic (David Edwards) goes back to when he reviewed Constantine and said it was based on the cult-British comic book Hellboy.
"Congratulations" I still think to this day "you managed to create a review worse than the film."
Quote from: JamesC on 04 October, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
No but this dude is:
(http://www.badhaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Commando_1.jpg)
Ahhh Bennett- the most hackneyed and enjoyable 80's villain ever.
I wore out my VHS (and tear ducts with laughter) back in the day at the bit where Arnie executes him with a bit of steel pipe.
"Let off some steam, Bennett"...vintage.
I read a really funny review once (can't remember where) which posited Commando as the story of a jilted gay man (Bennett) taking revenge on his ex lover (Aahnult).
Amongst all the convincing evidence, the reviewer pointed out that the film climaxed (pun intended) with Aahnult literaly penetrating Bennett with a massive pipe. The look of sheer ecstacy on Bennett's face as he dies says it all.
Bear that in mind next time you watch it.
Quote from: TordelBack on 03 October, 2012, 09:05:11 PM
Holy crap lad, he's not remotely an anonymous non-entity, he's a highly respected professional comics letterer with impressive script credits in the Megazine, an he's using his real name. I've never met Jim in real life either, but I'm fairly sure he's a person, and a decent one at that. Don't mistake a robust argument for online jerkiness.
Anonymous does not just refer to the usage of a name.
It has more than one definition.
As I stated above:
Anonymous has more than one definition. It doesn't JUST mean to be without a name.
It also means having no outstanding, individual, or unusual features; unremarkable or impersonal.
And a name and an avatar of a badge certainly pertain to the lack of oustanding or individual features.
And an internet forum is rather impersonal.
And as someone else stated above:
Definition of Anonymous: a state in which one feels safe being a total fuckwit because the person he's acting a total fuckwit towards can't break his nose.
Now, I don't care if he was just commenting on the situation, addressing me, or Jim...
Fact remains that this conversation wouldn't have gone this way in person, due to internet anonymity, because of the truth of the above statement. Someone would have had their nose busted by now.
Quote from: Link Prime on 04 October, 2012, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 04 October, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
No but this dude is:
(http://www.badhaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Commando_1.jpg)
Ahhh Bennett- the most hackneyed and enjoyable 80's villain ever.
I wore out my VHS (and tear ducts with laughter) back in the day at the bit where Arnie executes him with a bit of steel pipe.
"Let off some steam, Bennett"...vintage.
Not to mention that this guy was also in Mad Max 2 as a crazed homosexual biker with a mowhawk.
But I digress: I'M GONNA KILL YOU NOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!
Oh what the hell...
Cursed Earth Dweller- does Commando come with a director's commentary on DVD? If it does, I'll try and pick it up from a friend as soon as I have the chance.
Quote from: Charlie boy on 04 October, 2012, 07:22:42 PM
Oh what the hell...
Cursed Earth Dweller- does Commando come with a director's commentary on DVD? If it does, I'll try and pick it up from a friend as soon as I have the chance.
I prefer Commando - the musical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FFQ_g8OoQM)
Quote from: Charlie boy on 04 October, 2012, 07:22:42 PM
Oh what the hell...
Cursed Earth Dweller- does Commando come with a director's commentary on DVD? If it does, I'll try and pick it up from a friend as soon as I have the chance.
There a is a region 1 special addition DVD that is available on amazonuk. Don't get the UK import or the Blu-Ray as they are cut to the max(although I'm not sure if theres a blu-ray version of the special addition).
Quote from: orinAGN on 04 October, 2012, 04:59:30 PM
And a name and an avatar of a badge certainly pertain to the lack of oustanding or individual features...
Isn't a given name a fairly individual feature? Other than posting his long-form birth cert and his fingerprints I'm not sure what else he could do... I don't think it's remotely fair to accuse someone of behaving a certain way because they're anonymous, when it's clear that they aren't and your actual beef is that he isn't in punching range.
Welcome to the world of the written word. Most people consider it an advance that you don't have to be in the same room as someone to communicate your thoughts.
Quote from: orinAGN on 04 October, 2012, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 03 October, 2012, 09:05:11 PM
Holy crap lad, he's not remotely an anonymous non-entity, he's a highly respected professional comics letterer with impressive script credits in the Megazine, an he's using his real name. I've never met Jim in real life either, but I'm fairly sure he's a person, and a decent one at that. Don't mistake a robust argument for online jerkiness.
Anonymous does not just refer to the usage of a name.
It has more than one definition.
As I stated above:
Anonymous has more than one definition. It doesn't JUST mean to be without a name.
It also means having no outstanding, individual, or unusual features; unremarkable or impersonal.
And a name and an avatar of a badge certainly pertain to the lack of oustanding or individual features.
And an internet forum is rather impersonal.
And as someone else stated above:
Definition of Anonymous: a state in which one feels safe being a total fuckwit because the person he's acting a total fuckwit towards can't break his nose.
Now, I don't care if he was just commenting on the situation, addressing me, or Jim...
Fact remains that this conversation wouldn't have gone this way in person, due to internet anonymity, because of the truth of the above statement. Someone would have had their nose busted by now.
Mmm... maybe you missed my post about not making this personal?
This stops now.
By all means, talk about how Prometheus is rubbish, but do not make any more posts like this.
I thought Prometheus was a load of arse to be honest.
Think I might have posted something like this before but it's worth reiterating.
Cheers :)
Quote from: Dandontdare on 04 October, 2012, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 04 October, 2012, 07:22:42 PM
Oh what the hell...
Cursed Earth Dweller- does Commando come with a director's commentary on DVD? If it does, I'll try and pick it up from a friend as soon as I have the chance.
I prefer Commando - the musical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FFQ_g8OoQM)
Somebody seriously enjoys singing in the style of Schwarzenegger...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pNY2Krf3Rw
This thread has become tiresome in the extreme now.
For a brief moment i thought sensible discussion had returned, but it soon went back to being a dumping ground.
Marvellous.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 04 October, 2012, 10:50:13 PM
This thread has become tiresome in the extreme now.
That pretty much sums up Prometheus.
This thread has reached its natural conclusion.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 October, 2012, 10:54:28 PM
That pretty much sums up Prometheus.
I
just knew somebody was going to say that, ;)
THE END
...but one other thing--
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 04 October, 2012, 09:17:29 PM
Mmm... maybe you missed my post about not making this personal?
This stops now.
By all means, talk about how Prometheus is rubbish, but do not make any more posts like this.
My sincerest apologies.
Prometheus was a major disappointment.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 October, 2012, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 04 October, 2012, 10:50:13 PM
This thread has become tiresome in the extreme now.
That pretty much sums up Prometheus.
This thread has reached its natural conclusion.
Hahaha! Oh... so very true.
Look, I acknowledge that I played ONE PART in the thread becoming tiresome.
But if it helped lead to your comment, which brought a nice big grin to my face, then I regret nothing.
Thank you, sir.
Tried to modify my above post, but no longer had the option.
Wanted to included my comments in that one, as to not double-post.
So, back on topic...
My thoughts on Prometheus...
I found it mediocre overall.
It felt like a fan-film. Which is accurate, because Scott is a fan of his own work, spending 2 hours patting himself on the back.
I walked away from this movie, not filled with hate, but astoundingly disappointed.
This movie was an absolute void of intellectual stimulation. It was simply a gaping empty vacuum, where intelligent movie-making should have been. This notion is only made worse when you acknowledge the fact that the film throws in plot-points and the beginnings of stimulating observations throughout the film, and then DROPS them like a hot plate.
The CGI was decent enough, but nothing spectacular.
I would have been more impressed by the Space Jockeys if they didn't constantly remind me of The Zentradi from Macross (about 3 decades ago... so nothing original or fresh or new for me).
And the prosthetic effects for Weyland were terrible.
And THEN the movie has the NERVE to pull that crap where people run from a falling object.
I'm referring to Noomi Rapace and Charlize Theron stupidly forgetting how to move out of the way of a falling object.
It's an example of "movie-stupid" only there for a poor attempt to build suspense, which is stupid, because EVERYONE in the audience is thinking, MOVE to the side.
The fact is, Prometheus just doesn't succeed in what it should have done.
The acting was wooden and stilted from almost everyone.
The ONLY parts of this movie I really enjoyed was the beginning moments of the actual story, on the ship.
Watching David, alone while others slept had a very 2001: A Space Odyssey feel to it. And I enjoyed his obsession with "Lawrence of Arabia".
And Idris Elba as the Captain. He was a great character. So fun, and unique, and realistic. All the other characters were 2-dimensional plot-devices.
In fact, Elba had one of the best scenes in the film. It's the Captain and his two lieutenants, they're laughing under their breath. At the two assholes (the "cowardly stupid scientist" and the "i hate everyone stereotype"). They did the whole glitch thing to reassure them, and when they freaked out, they kept it up to fuck with them.
Reminded me of the crew from ALIEN.
If you actually think about the ramifications of their actions, and the scene's existence within the film, it was totally stupid. But i felt it was forced into it, because half-way through the movie, Ridley REMEMBERED WHY HIS FANS FUCKING CAME TO THE MOVIE, so, he tossed it in.
It WAS stupid. But the Captain and his boys were the only part I liked, because they reminded me of ALIEN. So, I let it go
There was just far too much "stupidity keeps the script from falling apart" for me to really enjoy this film.
The story was heavy-handed, overly forced, and completely formulaic and predictable.
I can at least say, this isn't Ridley Scott's worst film. That honor still belongs to "Robin Hood".
ALSO, they encounter ONE engineer, and he's 10ft tall, has super-strength enough to rip through their super advanced android like he's made of tissue paper, and they decide that they clearly want to kill them all... AND our heroine's conclusion is to go to their homeworld?!
I thought this chick was a SCIENTIST!?! i.e. someone who thinks rationally?
I didn't even find it visually stimulating. And usually that's one thing I look for first.
I felt the visual aesthetic of the film to be horribly generic, and the cinematography to be bland, boring and uninspired.
Also this "not prequel" that's meant to merely expand the universe of the ALIEN films, doesn't even do that. It presents information, that basically all the fandom KNEW already.
Wait, what? The Space Jockeys made bio-weapons?! WE came up with that decades ago!
tl;dr
QuoteThis thread has reached its natural conclusion.
Everything that didn't make sense in this thread will be explained in the sequel.
Quote from: radiator on 05 October, 2012, 11:38:25 AM
QuoteThis thread has reached its natural conclusion.
Everything that didn't make sense in this thread will be explained in the sequel.
...or will it?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAARN!
It will.
I've seen the trailer for the sequel to this thread and it basically gives away the whole plot.
-wipes away tears of laughter- You know, after all the joy this thread has given me over the months, I'm going to have to watch the damn movie at some point. It's only fair.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 05 October, 2012, 08:12:29 AM
tl;dr
"tl;dr" ???
Sorry. I don't as of yet understand a lot of internet lingo.
What does this mean?
Not too long ago- in this very thread- I mentioned my dislike for film critic David Edwards. Wouldn't you just know that today he gave his DVD OF THE WEEK acclaim to Prometheus? He gives it three stars out of a possible five, as he does ROCK OF AGES and ILL MANORS. Interesting to see the quality of work Ridley Scott is compared to these days.
Quote from: orinAGN on 05 October, 2012, 02:18:09 PM
Sorry. I don't as of yet understand a lot of internet lingo.
What does this mean?
Another useful bit of internet lingo is 'Google'. Just a little pro tip there, no charge for the first one.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=tl%3B+dr&rlz=1C1CHMO_en-gbIE494IE494&aq=f&oq=tl%3B+dr&sugexp=chrome,mod=5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.ie/search?q=tl%3B+dr&rlz=1C1CHMO_en-gbIE494IE494&aq=f&oq=tl%3B+dr&sugexp=chrome,mod=5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
I'm so sorry to have bothered you so much that you had to come down off your cloud and descend to talk to the folks below you.
"Just a little pro tip there, no charge for the first one."
Wow. Really conceited aren't you?
I've seen TLDR. But "TLDR" is how I've always seen it. I figured "tl;dr" was something else.
Either some other expression entirely or some internet colloquialism found only in British slang.
I didn't bother using Google, because I wanted to engage the individual who posted the comment in the first place.
I'm so so terribly sorry that my actions offended you so greatly.
God, what a chump.
Quote from: orinAGN on 05 October, 2012, 04:07:16 PM
I'm so so terribly sorry that my actions offended you so greatly.
Apology accepted, but not required: I was just amusing myself with some drive-by trolling, although please note that I did go to the bother of answering your question. That semi-colon is a doozy alright.
I await my ban with interest.
QuoteI was just amusing myself with some drive-by trolling
Yep. That about sums it up.
Moving on.
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