“Truth? You can't handle the truth!”

[Modern Panther]

One wonders if this is simply the tip of the iceberg, with other atrocities hidden by government and corporate bodies with at least as much desire to keep such actions quiet.

You know if you remove any oversight other than the free market, then no one gets held to account at all, ever, right?

You might want specialist corporations to own some of them, or some to be owned by private companies staffed and run by the people who live in towns and cities where specific parts of the rail network reside, you might want to own 10ft of track yourself.

Doesn't really matter what I want.  only thing that matters is who can afford to pay for it.

Any company wishing to lay a new stretch of railway would have to be able to purchase land legally, abide by the decisions of local communities

Why? Why would they have to abide by the will of local people?  What authority do they have, unless they want to put their savings together and buy me out?

Just because the company you worked for was despicable, that doesn't mean they all are.

Just because you're able to hand pick example of government acting badly, doesn't mean that we should privatise everything.

What is (black) magic is the idea that you can't be a street vendor, a window cleaner, a taxi driver, a shopkeeper or even a shoe-shiner unless the magic pixies up at your local enchanted fairy council castle issue you with a piece of supernatural paper.

You've struck upon the cure for mass unemployment.  What this country needs is 4 million self employed shoe shiners.  That's lucky  because the alternative will be for them to starve to death unless the rich are feeling charitable.

it makes absolutely no difference whether safety laws exist or not because it's up to governments, not the people to whom the laws are meant to apply and protect, whether these laws are enforced or ignored.

The question was "who is to blame for poisoning people in Apple factories".  The answer which you could not bring yourself to give is "Apple".  Because sometimes companies kill people in the search for profit.  Sometimes they do it despite regulation.  With no regulation, they would do it a hell of a lot more.

And then we've got a whole last paragraph, in which your point seems to be that government has failed to control corporations, therefore should be done away with and the corporations put in control.

Your leaps of logic and getting longer. "Magical dinosaur juice" Sharky may have just been factually questionable, but now your opinions have verved into down right unpleasant.

[Professor Bear]

How about this weather we're having?  Sure is some heat.

[The Legendary Shark]

Panth, it seems people have had enough of this conversation and it's increasingly looking like just a point-scoring pissing contest.

If you want to carry it forward in PM or emails I'm more than happy to continue.

[Apoceclipse]

referred here to talk about PROJECT MONARCH. the real one. Deliberately created/trained split personalities... the comic put out has some real TRUTHS, some was changed. Anyone aware of this project?

[The Legendary Shark]

The comic or the project?

Not aware of the comic but have heard of the alleged project. If memory serves, this is what The Manchurian Candidate was inspired by.

[dweezil2]

The comic or the project?

Not aware of the comic but have heard of the alleged project. If memory serves, this is what The Manchurian Candidate was inspired by.

Apoceclipse is referring to Pat Mills' Greysuit strip.

[The Legendary Shark]

Ah, thank you. I assumed there was a comic called Project Monarch - which there might very well be if I can ever be bothered to write one and find a suitably loopy artist...

[dweezil2]

Ah, thank you. I assumed there was a comic called Project Monarch - which there might very well be if I can ever be bothered to write one and find a suitably loopy artist...

If you can get it out before September 2017 you could be on to a winner!

[Apoceclipse]

yeah the actual project, yep, manchurian. hah someone who has heard of it. nice. that damn comic has some real info on the actual project itself. a lot changed of course... was very interesting. ran across this comic (don't usually read comics) researching it, once I caught myself on cameras leaving in the middle of the night, and my life spiraled...

[The Legendary Shark]

What do you mean by "caught myself on cameras leaving in the middle of the night"?

Dweezil - I gotta' get me one of those!

[Apoceclipse]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTSGQxOW9VWXB0dzA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTWHBhdWpCblNtQTQ
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTQlFyNTZpdkVOSjQ
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTN0kwTzRySjJPTzA
https://youtu.be/UWYZaAqrNkM

That trail behind the house was a pickup, I don't know WHY there is that road showing on maps...funny.

I mean like that, and there. hunter field, well, if you were local, you would know that is EDWARD HUNTER field. the thing no one knows - is that it is referencing Edward Hunter.

Edward Hunter (1902–1978) was an American journalist, author, and intelligence agent. He wrote several books on, and 'coined' the term brainwashing

ask wikipedia (ha, but actually reliable with references, including to his own books, and look at the rest of the references... full circle)

Background[edit]
In March 1958, testifying before the United States House of Representatives' House Committee on Un-American Activities [1], Hunter described his career as a journalist, which he began at the Newark Ledger in New Jersey before moving on to the Chicago Tribune's Paris edition. Hunter worked in Japan and in China from the mid-1920s to mid-1930s, the time of the Japanese detachment of Manchukuo from China. He covered the Second Italo-Abyssinian War between Italy and Ethiopia, and took note of the psychological warfare methods used in all these instances, as well as during the preparations by Germany for World War II [2]. According to Hunter's 1958 testimony [3], he served for two years during World War II as a "propaganda specialist" for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the institutional predecessor to the CIA.

References

Seed, David (2004). Brainwashing: The Fictions of Mind Control : a Study of Novels and Films. Ohio: Kent State University Press. ISBN 0-87338-462-8.

Hunter, Edward (1951). Brain-washing in Red China: the calculated destruction of men's minds. New York: Vanguard Press.

Hunter, Edward. "Communist psychological warfare". Retrieved 2008-02-06.

Marks, John (1979). The Search for the 'Manchurian Candidate:' The CIA and Mind Control. NY: Times Books.


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Went to school in GATE and this was the program: THIS WAS MONARCH GROOMING

http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1997/oct97/gifted.html

Gifted and Talented
Curriculum Program Raises Concerns
HILLSBOROUGH, NJ--Parents who were originally puffed up with pride when told by their local public school that their fourth-grade child should be promoted into a "gifted and talented" class became concerned about the content of the course when they read a document that defines its "Philosophy." It brags that this is "a DIFFERENTIATED [sic] program" in goals and curriculum, and that class size will be limited to 12 students.
The document starts out using all the trendy public school buzz words: self-esteem, self-awareness, problem-solving, decision making, higher-level cognitive processes, self and peer evaluation, and self-direction.

Page after page instructs the teacher how to give guided imagery exercises under the caption "Your Minds Eye." "Room will be darkened. Students must find comfortable position. Eyes may be closed or open. Closed is preferable. . . . Concentrate on slowly breathing, releasing energy from body."


...later in the article

The fourth-grade gifted and talented students are now ready to progress into some heavy learning. Students are taught to "use the experimental research technique in a self-directed learning activity reated to experimental anomalies."

The teacher is instructed to introduce clairvoyance (which the curriculum defines as "seeing" events taking place far away), telepathy (defined as the ability to send messages from one person's mind to another), precognition (defined as predicting events in the future), and psychokinesis (defined as moving objects with concentrated mental energy).

Students are told to conduct their own experiments and report their conclusions to the class. Will this information be scanned into the students' computer profiles? How will the students work be graded? Perhaps that doesn't matter any more since all students get A's and B's to preserve their self-esteem.

The federal Javits Gifted and Talented Education Act laid out the vision that the federal taxpayers should give children of "outstanding talent" some "services or activities not ordinarily provided by the schools." Parents wonder if this is what Senator Jacob Javits had in mind when he sponsored the law.



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Sound like BS? Well look into THE SILVA METHOD, and it doesn't say it on wikipedia, but watch some of the owners original videos, and he will tell you himself - the army paid him to develop it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silva_Method

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thats NOTHING -

THE MONROE INSTITUTE. this is where they really do the work. CONTROLLED OOBE's. Out of body experiences/astral travel/shadowalking....

https://www.monroeinstitute.org/Out%20of%20Body%20Experience

this isn't your BS 'remote viewing' NO - this is where you leave your physical body, and can literally watch people real time. Creepy, but real. Obviously there is viable military and intelligence applications! access can be restricted by electromagnetic field. Leaving your body is science, not hokey pokey BS. Ok?

they train civilians to do this now... haha my life is a sick joke, I swear....

Oh, one more - the training, after they torture you as a child into having a split personality, then give you rewards of course, to earn your trust, and groom you - they start training you very very young with VR headsets such as CUBIC and other platforms, to learn all the equipment when you are too young to use it yet...

https://www.cubic.com/Global-Defense/Leading-Edge-Solutions/Immersive-Simulation-intific

https://www.cubic.com/Global-Defense/Leading-edge-Solutions/Virtual-and-Immersive-Training-Systems


and don't tell me the CIA doesn't look at children:

https://youtu.be/QbaKn6qIOOM


Oh, and if you didn't know the history, the research done to be able to implement MONARCH:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra


Last part - my website

organizesafety.wordpress.com

there are better videos on my website. I have personal proof, but it exposes my person, so... I am chatting on a comic book site - yeah

[Apoceclipse]

eh, starting to get that feeling like, shit! should I delete all that? eh, it doesn't fucking matter!

[Theblazeuk]

I'm going to be honest with you, I think you lost all of us from word one. I'd take it easy pal

[Hawkmumbler]

Quite frankly, my dear Apoceclipse, it sounds like a loud of tosh of the highest order, but we've been around  Sharky long enough to be inoculated to tin foil hate scenarios.

[The Legendary Shark]

"Tin foil hate"? Heh.

Mind control is real. Pavlov controlled the minds of dogs through conditioning. A person who goes to a hypnotist to stop smoking is engaging in mind control. The very phrase "tin foil hat" is a form of mind control based on the appeal to ridicule - you see or hear a person given that label and automatically discount their argument without looking at the argument itself. It's what a good friend of mine used to call a "thought stopper." Similarly, the phrase "conspiracy theorist" is also a thought stopper, despite the fact that all police detectives are conspiracy theorists in that they see a crime and then produce theories as to who conspired to commit that crime. These theories are then tested in court. The MSM, however, presents a conspiracy theorist as some kind of mental deficient, which attitude permeates the minds of the viewers which is, of course, mind control. We are all mind controlled/conditioned to some extent by the sources we expose ourselves to. The trick is to ignore labels and examine the arguments themselves - which is, I admit, often difficult. For example, I can't be doing with Alex Jones; his voice gets on my nerves, his ranting and raving grates and he is an inveterate fearmonger. These things do not indicate, however, that all of his information is wrong.