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Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« on: 12 October, 2021, 01:42:35 PM »
https://screenrant.com/marvel-controversy-cb-cebulski-akira-yosihda-steven-deknight/

I know this has been a long ago, and DeKnight is a bit late to the party, but he has a point here. But it's bonkers tying up his show with because of CB's wrongdoings in the past.
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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #1 on: 12 October, 2021, 01:46:59 PM »
But it's bonkers tying up his show with because of CB's wrongdoings in the past.
He's tying up his writing of various Marvel comics, under CB. The DD tv show ended some time ago.

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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #2 on: 12 October, 2021, 03:58:54 PM »
The Cebulski thing is so utterly insane. Senior people at Marvel must have known and that's why they won't deal with it, because it would bring their position into question. "Akira Yoshida" was getting paid and must have had a contract, after all.

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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #3 on: 12 October, 2021, 06:24:59 PM »
The Cebulski thing is so utterly insane. Senior people at Marvel must have known and that's why they won't deal with it, because it would bring their position into question. "Akira Yoshida" was getting paid and must have had a contract, after all.

I am not sure about that. Does 2000ad editors know who Ken Niemand is?
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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #4 on: 12 October, 2021, 06:29:50 PM »
The Cebulski thing is so utterly insane. Senior people at Marvel must have known and that's why they won't deal with it, because it would bring their position into question. "Akira Yoshida" was getting paid and must have had a contract, after all.

I am not sure about that. Does 2000ad editors know who Ken Niemand is?

A lot of folks on Facebook certainly think they do!

Yeah it seems apparent that 2000ad staff know who Ken Niemand is really.

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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #5 on: 12 October, 2021, 07:05:10 PM »
It's quite ironic how much fandom's all in a frenzy over Ken Niemand being a pen-name. Because, and I realize this may not be obvious, my real name doesn't rhyme with [Scunthorpe].

Farcebookers are bound to be a bit more upset because so many of them use actual factual monikers. Plus, the MAGAverse hierarchy have a long-running grudge with Rennie (I was shown that they're currently posting art of him as a grotesque slime monster) and are obsessed with their pet theory of him being Niemand.
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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #6 on: 12 October, 2021, 08:51:11 PM »
It's quite ironic how much fandom's all in a frenzy over Ken Niemand being a pen-name. Because, and I realize this may not be obvious, my real name doesn't rhyme with [Scunthorpe].

Farcebookers are bound to be a bit more upset because so many of them use actual factual monikers. Plus, the MAGAverse hierarchy have a long-running grudge with Rennie (I was shown that they're currently posting art of him as a grotesque slime monster) and are obsessed with their pet theory of him being Niemand.

Don't know about MAGA, but apparently many buy that Rennie is Niemand thanks to Mills' tweet.
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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #7 on: 12 October, 2021, 09:20:43 PM »
It's quite ironic how much fandom's all in a frenzy over Ken Niemand being a pen-name. Because, and I realize this may not be obvious, my real name doesn't rhyme with [Scunthorpe].

Farcebookers are bound to be a bit more upset because so many of them use actual factual monikers. Plus, the MAGAverse hierarchy have a long-running grudge with Rennie (I was shown that they're currently posting art of him as a grotesque slime monster) and are obsessed with their pet theory of him being Niemand.

Don't know about MAGA, but apparently many buy that Rennie is Niemand thanks to Mills' tweet.

...Mills believing it to be the case, purely because that's what he's been told by halfwits on t'internet.

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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #8 on: 12 October, 2021, 10:47:49 PM »
That got off-topic quick.

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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #9 on: 12 October, 2021, 11:07:16 PM »
I am not sure about that. Does 2000ad editors know who Ken Niemand is?

Oh, for God's sake. From the very early days of 2000AD various writers (and artists) have used pseudonyms and of course editorial have known who they are, unless they're deliberately obfuscating their contributions through an agent to avoid it being known that they were also actually the editor. Mentioning no names.

"Ken" was on a Thrillcast and and right up front they addressed the fact that, yes, his name is a pseudonym. It's not a secret that this is the case. I'm sure Rebellion accounts knows who to make the payments to. I'm sure Tharg know where to send the Rigellian Hotshots.

(There are actually very good reasons for segmenting a writing career with different publishing names, apart from the convention of using a different name if yours is already in use. The BIG one, which Charles Stross blogged about a few years back, is that book distributors will use the sales of your last book to estimate orders for your next book. If you write a wildly successful YA book that hits the bestseller list one year, then a literary fiction novel the next, the distributors will over-order the literary book based on the massive sales of the YA one, then drastically cut the orders for the book after that based on the 'low' sales of the literary one, even though the next one is a follow-up to the YA bestseller. There's a reason Iain Banks chose to distinguish his SF from his 'literary' novels by adding the "M" to his name for the SF — it got him two separate columns on the distributors' spreadsheet.)
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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #10 on: 12 October, 2021, 11:15:41 PM »
That got off-topic quick.

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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #11 on: 12 October, 2021, 11:36:39 PM »
That got off-topic quick.

Yes, and I take absolute fault for it. Though, who Ken Niemand is, may stalk forum members for some time.
Can any subsequent post be about the topic at hand?
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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #12 on: 13 October, 2021, 07:51:44 AM »
The Cebulski thing is so utterly insane. Senior people at Marvel must have known and that's why they won't deal with it, because it would bring their position into question. "Akira Yoshida" was getting paid and must have had a contract, after all.

I am not sure about that. Does 2000ad editors know who Ken Niemand is?

I'm not sure that the two are comparable.  Looking at the original linked article the major issue is with cultural appropriation.  Cebulski presented as Japanese under the Yoshida pseudonym to give his work a specific cultural authenticity. 

On the other hand Niemand is, as Jim quite rightly points out, simply a pseudonym for a writer looking to segment work.  There is no inference regarding his persona that is being used to give cultural cachet in the same way that Cebulski allegedly was. 

It's more like back in the day when 90% of the prog was written by Grant and Wagner so they used pseudonyms to hide the fact.  [please bear in mind the rule of thumb that any percentages that are multiples of 10 should be considered suspect / estimates].

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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #13 on: 13 October, 2021, 08:22:01 AM »
Deleted post, as I see Jim made a similar (and more helpful) post above.
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Re: Steven S.DeKnight vs CB Cebulski
« Reply #14 on: 13 October, 2021, 08:59:34 AM »
On the other hand Niemand is, as Jim quite rightly points out, simply a pseudonym for a writer looking to segment work.

Yeah, If I remember right, in the Thrillcast "Niemand" mentions that he's a writer for television and radio.