It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside

[The Legendary Shark]

Consensus does ask for faith - a majority of people would be unwise to support something in which they have no faith. Okay, that's just wordplay. Scientfically, consensus does not prove truth - but politically, it does.

Scientific consensus is A Thing. It's slightly different from the general use of consensus - it refers to the process of presenting, discussing and publishing via peer review within the particular field , it's not just a canvassing of general opinion.

I agree. Political consensus, however, is a different thing. It's my hope to divorce one from the other.

[shaolin_monkey]

Follow the money.

Your conspiracy Geiger counter is correct to be clicking away there, but I reckon you should point it in this direction:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Merchants-Doubt-Handful-Scientists-Obscured/dp/1408824833

[The Legendary Shark]

I'll have to try and get the pdf from Pirate Bay...

[Funt Solo]

Let Captain Planet handle it!

[Mikey]

Consensus does ask for faith - a majority of people would be unwise to support something in which they have no faith. Okay, that's just wordplay. Scientfically, consensus does not prove truth - but politically, it does.

Scientific consensus is A Thing. It's slightly different from the general use of consensus - it refers to the process of presenting, discussing and publishing via peer review within the particular field , it's not just a canvassing of general opinion.

I agree. Political consensus, however, is a different thing. It's my hope to divorce one from the other.

You're the one who brings politics into it - so go shout it on the politics thread.

[The Legendary Shark]

Okay, Mikey. I'll do my best to keep politics out of the biggest political issue in global politics.

[Professor Bear]

There will be none of this backchat in the ATOS compulsory work farms, Sharky, so you may as well get it out of your system now.

[The Legendary Shark]

ATOS macht frei.

[shaolin_monkey]

Let Captain Planet handle it!

Brilliant! 

Cheered me right up, thanks Captain Planet!

[Mikey]

Okay, Mikey. I'll do my best to keep politics out of the biggest political issue in global politics.

All that says to me is you've got nothing on the science, data or its interpretation so you want to talk about your political views. Again.

Meh.

[Funt Solo]

I agree that the consensus seems to be that CO2 emissions should be drastically curbed.

...I believe that CO2 is ... a relatively small part, of the overall problem.

You used more words but ultimately you seem to be placing your belief over scientific consensus. Hubris.

If it actually was the case that governments are on board with drastically curbing CO2 emissions, I'd have some sympathy for your perspective. I know some people are trying to monetize the situation (as they do any situation - that CO2 dollar, that's a big dollar), but that doesn't mean they're seriously attempting to fix (or even recognize) the problem, or that the problem isn't real.

[Frank]

... that CO2 dollar, that's a big dollar

A Bill Hicks fan! Makes sense.

[Definitely Not Mister Pops]

Consensus does ask for faith - a majority of people would be unwise to support something in which they have no faith. Okay, that's just wordplay. Scientfically, consensus does not prove truth - but politically, it does.

Scientific consensus is A Thing. It's slightly different from the general use of consensus - it refers to the process of presenting, discussing and publishing via peer review within the particular field , it's not just a canvassing of general opinion.

I agree. Political consensus, however, is a different thing. It's my hope to divorce one from the other.

But...you just tried to conflate them? Or concatenate them? Or convulute everything? I don't fuckin' know, I give up.

[JayzusB.Christ]

Consensus does ask for faith - a majority of people would be unwise to support something in which they have no faith. Okay, that's just wordplay. Scientfically, consensus does not prove truth - but politically, it does.

Scientific consensus is A Thing. It's slightly different from the general use of consensus - it refers to the process of presenting, discussing and publishing via peer review within the particular field , it's not just a canvassing of general opinion.

I agree. Political consensus, however, is a different thing. It's my hope to divorce one from the other.

But...you just tried to conflate them? Or concatenate them? Or convulute everything? I don't fuckin' know, I give up.

I gave up arguing with The Shark about this kind of thing long ago, I'm afraid.  However, I have learned quite a bit from others arguing against him - the sheer scale of scientific consensus on man-made climate change, for example. (I also knew very little about the anti-vaxxer 'argument' before it arose on this board; whereas now I'm sufficiently educated to br convinced that it's dangerous nonsense.)  Sorry, Sharky, but that's the way it is with me. 

[Frank]

While it's tempting to read this thread as Shark vs Rest Of World, the British public are mostly Shark^*





* And that's after years of the aforementioned Captain Planet and environmental issues being foregrounded in dumb blockbuster movies of the nineties