The Political Thread

[NapalmKev]

Sorry, I thought it must have been a windup. So can the state shoot anybody under any circumstances or not? The soldiers who went in wouldn't have known whether the nutter was armed or not.

I assure you I'm not trolling.

In reference to Bin Laden - stun grenades and knockout gas are a viable alternative to machine guns.

If the "State" has the right to " shoot anybody under any circumstances" then can I not claim the same (not that I would want to).

Laws/Rules either get applied across the board or not at all.

Cheers

I don't have a stack of porn mags, Grugz, there's plenty on the Net. Also I'm not a sex obsessed perv.

[Old Tankie]

That smiley should have been after grugzs post.

[Grugz]

I don't think that inviting them or whoevers in charge of bin ladens lot now would really be open to our having them round for a cuppa and talking it through, they want us dead. end of.

You really don't read anything anyone else writes, do you? I'm not sure how you go from "we shouldn't abandon the values we claim to be defending" to "inviting Al-Qaeda round for a cup of tea" — either you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it. Please try harder.

   sorry,what? I wasn't listening... please enlighten us to the values we are defending by not stopping the likes of ISIS .

[Grugz]

kev, I was referring to reports that when they found bin laden he had a huge stash of porn ,sorry if it came across as meaning you.
Dan. mindless beyond belief is flying planes into offices for no reason,or strapping explosives on children and sending them to kill people. I sometimes wonder if hitler had been around today if he would have got away with it?

[Jim_Campbell]

sorry,what? I wasn't listening... please enlighten us to the values we are defending by not stopping the likes of ISIS .

False dichotomy. We can have due process, freedom of speech and the right to privacy and oppose these people at the same time.

[Grugz]

How? just telling them "no" won't work . The only thing they understand is violence and sometimes that is the only answer , it'd be lovely if we didn't have to and I'd love my daughter to grow up in a world without violence but the world isn't like that and going back to my original point isis and al quaeda are not normal countries with membership in the U.N. and are not themselves bound by law they are evil twisted fanatics that will not be satisfied 'til you and your children are dead all the LGBT are chucked off tall buildings.

[Hawkmumbler]

Fight fire with fire. Pretty sure that's never worked. Ever.

[Old Tankie]

Really! How comes we're all on here then?

[Satanist]

How? just telling them "no" won't work . The only thing they understand is violence and sometimes that is the only answer , it'd be lovely if we didn't have to and I'd love my daughter to grow up in a world without violence but the world isn't like that and going back to my original point isis and al quaeda are not normal countries with membership in the U.N. and are not themselves bound by law they are evil twisted fanatics that will not be satisfied 'til you and your children are dead all the LGBT are chucked off tall buildings.

Jean Charles de Menezes says hello.

Or actually doesn't as he was executed by the state in error and then publically smeared by the cops and press to cover their arses.

Surely better to try and capture, interrogate and prevent future atrocities rather than "Hey Ive got a bigger dick than you". I know that's not always possible but suspect in Bin Ladens case it was but the murican public was in full blood lust.

[Definitely Not Mister Pops]

I was typing out a response and then I realised what the fuck
I was doing.

[Professor Bear]

Shoot to kill is a great policy with no drawbacks whatsoever.  That 8 year old kid who was shot to death less that 300 yards from where I'm sitting won't be hijacking planes or doing September Elevens anytime soon I can tell you.

[TordelBack]

If you behave like the bad guys, you are the bad guys.

Imagine if some grouping or nation, claiming validity by its own definition, had its elite fighters kill a western person fingered as a war criminal - Tony Blair, say, to pick a name from the air - dropped into Blair's 'compound' in Buckinghamshire by night, maybe getting Euan, Leo and an under-butler as acceptable collateral damage.

You see how that would be wrong, however much you hate the satanic bastard himself? Same thing.

[COMMANDO FORCES]

Remember when all those Jewish people didn't fight back, look where that got them. Sometimes you have to fight back, as we don't live in a perfect world.

As for trying to arrest Bin Laden, stun grenades and knock out gas, sorry you've been watching too many shite films. The assault team carry certain items for specific situations and once the element of surprise is gone, then it's a determined and fast progression to the target. I won't bother with a load of scenarios, as I'm busy.

As for trying to capture him, I wouldn't risk my troops lives on such a fraught task, unless it was easily achievable with no chance of any loss to my assault teams.

[Jim_Campbell]

Remember when all those Jewish people didn't fight back, look where that got them. Sometimes you have to fight back, as we don't live in a perfect world.

Again: how do you get from what I posted to 'passively doing nothing in the face of aggression'...?

Also: Godwin.

[COMMANDO FORCES]

The bit about the Jewish people comes from numerous interviews that I've heard and seen. One of the main things many of them point out is look where being a pacifist got them.

I don't know why you think I'm only answering you Jim, I'm looking at the last three pages and giving a general answer to the flow of the comments.