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Title: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Goosegash on 08 March, 2021, 01:51:09 PM
Only skimmed through this so far but one thrill is noticeably absent - the conclusion of Slaine has been pushed back due to art issues, instead we have the start of a new Thr3ller, Nakka Of The S.T.A.R.S by Langridge & McCarthy.

I'm not complaining or anything, great to have Langridge back again even if it's only in a writing capacity, but wasn't Dragontamer already delayed by months to give Manco more time to prepare?
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 08 March, 2021, 01:59:50 PM
Cover by Brendan McCarthy:

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Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 08 March, 2021, 02:00:08 PM
Cover and Logo:

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Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 08 March, 2021, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Goosegash on 08 March, 2021, 01:51:09 PM
....but wasn't Dragontamer already delayed by months to give Manco more time to prepare?

Yes, was delayed multiple times. The story would have been published in 2019 then again for prog 2184
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Tjm86 on 08 March, 2021, 03:58:34 PM
I don't know what to say.  I didn't even register the absence of Slaine.  Good thing?  Bad thing?  Dunno ...

What I do know is that Dredd plays a blinder in Chimpsky again.  Get's a bit political with shades of County Lines but Niemand and Holden serve up another cracking episode.  Granted this is shifting more towards "Tales of MC1 guest starring Judge Dredd ..." but still.  Little left to the imagination in terms of whodunnit.  Plenty in terms of how Chimpsky is going to square the circle of Vigilantism, protecting the innocent and making sure the guilty pay ...  Then again this is MC1 ...

Not sure what to make of Knackered of the Yard (sorry, Nakka of the STARS).  Plenty of mickey taking in terms of ye olde england stereotypes.  Milligan's artwork is up to its normal standards.  Personally I've never been completely sold on 3rillers.  Perhaps this one will surprise me.  Certainly not enough to sell me yet.  Still ... Milligan artwork ...

Lot's of talking heads in Thistlebone.  Feel like I've missed something in such an exposition heavy episode.  Quite likely needs a re-read to see.  To be sure though Davis is on form with his artwork.

Proteus Vex is a major change of pace then.  Where Thistlebone is all talk, Vex is all action.  It literally rockets along, dumping the major revelation at the last moment of the episode.

... as does Durham Red.  Bullets and bloodshed galore.  Hard to spot a character who doesn't take their lumps at some point  in the proceedings.  Surely building up to its final stages by now. 

Overall then a fair to middling prog.  Lots to commend it with perhaps a bit of a lull towards the middle.  Personally I'm not devastated by the absence of Slaine but then it's a strip I've never really got on with too well.  If anything I'd peg this as a strongly serviceable prog altogether.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Wilko10 on 08 March, 2021, 05:33:31 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else enjoy the commercial pages? I find them a great break from the stories, and surprisingly effective in making me buy more 2000AD. Anyway, to the Prog!

Dredd -- Like Tjm86, I agree there is little to decipher as the plot develops. I stand by Who Killed Captain Cookies' having Watchmen potential in its murder mystery, which it has lost a bit. But, I give Niemand credit for taking this story to unexpected places; Dredd interrogating Chimpsky was a highlight.

Nakka of the S.T.A.R.S -- Is there a better title out there? Criticisms aside, this was a delightful read. The story exists in a strange nebulous future where the old is mixed with the new, and the art is beautifully executed. It's a police procedural with a somewhat standard set-up, so I'm excited for future instalments.

Thistlebone -- Another slow and considerate entry that increases the atmosphere. Not much to say, other than some well-crafted dialogue sequences.

Proteus Vex -- I can't remember what happened, which, for me, is indicative of this entire story.

Durham Red -- Pure thrills! It's lean, mean storytelling with a strong protagonist. Red being as vulnerable as she is powerful is what sells this premise. Economical, memorable and effective.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: JimmyNailz on 08 March, 2021, 05:34:21 PM
A fairly enjoyable prog. Looking forward to some new thrills in a couple of weeks though. Really enjoyed Dredd again, everything else feels like it could've been wrapped up quicker (or maybe I'm just one of them Earthlets who impatiently wants shiney new things and wants them NOW!)

In regards to the letters page and the complaint about Tharg being "too political" min the "Journey of the Plague Years Damage Report". I hadn't even noticed these notes in amongst small print of the Nerve Centre until Earthlet Wilks. Now I'm going to have to go back through a years worth of progs to catch up on what I missed.  Though can I here and now voice my displeasure at Tharg's mocking of 'Police Academy 4' which I consider the series at its absolute best. I read 2000AD to get away from real-world film critiques I don't agree with - its the last thing I want as a reader!
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: JimmyNailz on 08 March, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
...in making my previous glib attempts at humour, I forgot to mention I enjoyed part 1 of Thargs 3hriller.  Felt Bix Barton-esque and I do enjoy the occasional silly series of that ilk (or Zilk?)

Thistlebone requires me to have a reread of how the last series ended, as I can't remember what's what. Lovely art though.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Wilko10 on 08 March, 2021, 05:57:03 PM
Quote from: JimmyNailz on 08 March, 2021, 05:34:21 PM
A fairly enjoyable prog. Looking forward to some new thrills in a couple of weeks though. Really enjoyed Dredd again, everything else feels like it could've been wrapped up quicker (or maybe I'm just one of them Earthlets who impatiently wants shiney new things and wants them NOW!)

In regards to the letters page and the complaint about Tharg being "too political" min the "Journey of the Plague Years Damage Report". I hadn't even noticed these notes in amongst small print of the Nerve Centre until Earthlet Wilks. Now I'm going to have to go back through a years worth of progs to catch up on what I missed.  Though can I here and now voice my displeasure at Tharg's mocking of 'Police Academy 4' which I consider the series at its absolute best. I read 2000AD to get away from real-world film critiques I don't agree with - its the last thing I want as a reader!

I'm Earthlet Wilks! I must tip my hat to Tharg for publishing my mail. It was a lovely gesture, irrespective of whether it's a notion he agreed or disagreed with. Part of what makes 2000AD so special for me is the clear willingness of Tharg and his Droids to embrace feedback. It means a lot as a fan.

PS: I've only seen the first two Police Acamedy movies. "I hate to break it to you, sir, but I'm straight!"
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 08 March, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
Cover and Logo:

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Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 March, 2021, 06:40:28 PM
What a fantastic Prog. Its a shame for those enjoying that there's a delay in the ending of Slaine, real kicker - I thought that art was in, but clearly not and must be frustrating - been a while since we've had something like that.

Still excellent Prog.

Dredd - is this the Chimpsky story that was going to be his own strip I wonder - I can't remember if we are getting this and then a solo story? Or did I dream ther solo story? Either way this is fantastic stuff. Absolutely fantastic, charming, funny with a delicious edge.

3riller - Nakka of the S.T.A.R.S. is a wonderful curiousity. Midsomer Murders with a futuristic edge and menacing robots and innocent clones. Bubbling up nicely and with a very different favour which feels invigouring rather than out of place.

Thistlebone is a quiet and steady episode, this one is slow burn as expected, but intriguing.

Proteus Vex does bombastic action and then explaination as truths are thrilling revealed.

Durham Red throttles towards it conclusion. You know if I was in a 2000ad strip I'd not where a helmet, or a box, knee or elbow pads. If you appear in a 2000ad strip for christ sake wear bloody good shoulder armour. All the shoulder armour you can get. Oh and this is brilliant as ever by the way.

I appreciate that some will miss Slaine but me - well this is a spot on Prog I have to say.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 08 March, 2021, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 08 March, 2021, 06:40:28 PM
I appreciate that some will miss Slaine but me - well this is a spot on Prog I have to say.

In my previous life I am sure that I would have arrived with pitchforks and burning torches at the house of Tharg but now I do not even mind that this prog will be without Slaine. Glad to see that McCarthy is back in the prog tough.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: McNulty on 08 March, 2021, 09:48:36 PM
[spoiler]Tharg's 3rillers: I'm going out on a limb here but I suspect Father Chippin to be the murderer. He had opportunity to commit the crime at the tea shoppe. As a robot, he would not leave any forensic evidence to be found.
"But McNulty, you charismatic but incredulous Scotsman," I hear you cry, "It COULDN'T be the good Father. Don't you see? He is a robot and as such is compelled by the 3 laws of robotics to not harm or by inaction harm a human. And as a clincher, the new by spunky assistant already linked with him electronically to confirm no wrongdoing! Your theory doesn't hold water."
Ah, but I say unto you that this is all smoke and mirrors on the part of the writer. It is entirely possible we are dealing with a robot that DOES have the capacity for murder! This robot is a PROTOTYPE programmed to minister to whichever denomination he is tuned to. The mere FACT that his information was given in such an off-hand way by the inspector is the writer's way in giving us a clue without bringing too much attention to it.  I suspect that the Father has developed a fault in its programming that has led it to believe that killing humans is a humane thing to do. Remember that this an ALTERNATIVE Earth, where a disease has ravaged the world's human population. It is not inconceivable to deduce that perhaps some of the surviving humans founded a death cult that espoused the belief that the disease was a holy judgement and the remaining humans should all die. What would happen if a robot programmed to minister to humans religious beliefs came into contact with one of these death cultists? Either by design or by accident, the robot has become murderous and even worse, this computer virus is TRANSMITTABLE to other robots. Is it a coincidence that the Inspector was attacked in the back of the church by a robot? The Father could have had ample opportunity to infect the gardener robot, and alas, I suspect that the Inspector's assistant has similarly become compromised!
"But McNulty, you meandering but compelling sleuth" I hear you persist, "if Penny-Z8e/4.81 has indeed been compromised, why has she not attacked the Inspector since she interfaced with Father Chippin?"
Oh ye of little faith! I reply. The assistant might be infected with the murder virus and merely biding her time for when they are both alone or it could be that as a sophisticated complex robot capable of multiple police functions and the ability to make outstanding sandwiches, she perhaps might take a while to fully succumb to the new programming.
So Father Chippin, J'accusse! You are one robot who definitely DIDN'T get the memo![/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 10 March, 2021, 03:27:43 AM
A good prog yet again.

Dredd – Niemand and PJ continues to wow us with another classic Dredd tale in the making. Dredd however is more a supporting cast-member in his own show. That is maybe why Colin mentioned it that Chimpsky was due his own strip but it all could be down to scheduling challenges.

Nakka – An interesting new take on a police procedural. Good to see McCarthy doing is wacky psychedelic artwork. 

Thistlebone – This is a slow burner basically each episode adding a new layer of intrigue to the story. Great stuff all around.

Vex – Top thrill again as the action steadily being replaced by revelation of truth. Brilliant story and already waiting for the third series to commence.

Red – An action-packed episode heading to its conclusion. Worley and Willsher has certainly entertain us the last few week. Hopefully the creative team can give us more in the future.

Slaine – We can still here in the background how Slaine is slaying hordes upon hordes, thousands upon thousands of dragons and trojans. Body-parts, gore beheadings and just your normal ruffian stuff everywhere. Script has not moved an inch forward but who cares violence is the script.

Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 10 March, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
Jim this one is for you on your work  on Durham Red (read it in a review for the prog):

Pause for a moment and appreciate the lettering of Jim Campbell (who now letters approximately 83% of all British comics), and the way a gunshot "Blam" can be reused, but a "Slatccch" and a "Splatcchh" require slightly different shape and shading. Masterful.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: TordelBack on 10 March, 2021, 08:50:10 PM
Happy to wait a bit longer for Sláine, each beautiful episode looks like it must take a few months to draw anyway, and top marks to Tharg for having a 3riller plus technicolor cover ready to plug the gap in style. 

Dredd gives us a Chimpsky origin story, and PJ serves up great gallery of citizens and chimps-eye views of the city. I like how Niemand emphasises tech details, with Dredd's built-in helmet birdie and the little forensics globes he used last week, reminding us that time marches on,  even in the future.

Much as I'm enjoying the story, going to have to opine that this needs to be the last time Noam walks away from Dredd. In Chopper's first three stories he was cubed twice and barely escaped a standard-execution in the back. Chimpsky's had a caution. Now they've had a second face-to-face, future adventures need to take place well away from Dredd, or have a tragic ending: the macrocosmic balance demands it.  I'd prefer the former.

3riller is intriguing, great to see Langridge back, and the strip is so perfect for McCarthy. Not unwelcome touch of the Bix Bartons, as JimmyNailz observed.

Over in another exquisitely painted Thistlebone, very pleased that late great Mick Aston finds his way into SBD's reference collection, and is that maybe an amalgam of Carenza Lewis and Alice Roberts in tow? Really nice that this setup is getting a second run to allow it to grow.

Speaking of the joys of second series, Proteus Vex has turned into a real high point for both Mike and Jake: coherent, action-packed, distinctive. Love the way Vex chucks Tross' little eye-patch officer at the guards, brutal.

Finally, Durham Red continues to engage. I'd feared that the reboot had stalled in inconsequential shirts after a great beginning, and further that this kind of longer run might be its death knell, but absolutely the opposite is the case. It's exciting, full of incident and quirky designs, and I hope Worley and Willsher have plans for more.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Richard on 11 March, 2021, 01:00:14 AM
Is it me, or is the paper different?
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: TordelBack on 11 March, 2021, 07:01:48 AM
Quote from: Richard on 11 March, 2021, 01:00:14 AM
Is it me, or is the paper different?

It thought so too,  but it turned out I'd just got some Shredded Wheat on the screen.  ;)
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Tjm86 on 11 March, 2021, 07:05:39 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 10 March, 2021, 08:50:10 PM
Much as I'm enjoying the story, going to have to opine that this needs to be the last time Noam walks away from Dredd. In Chopper's first three stories he was cubed twice and barely escaped a standard-execution in the back. Chimpsky's had a caution. Now they've had a second face-to-face, future adventures need to take place well away from Dredd, or have a tragic ending: the macrocosmic balance demands it. 

You know, I've got to agree with you there.  I wonder if we need to evaluate this against Charlton Heston's fate?  Definitely interesting to see where this is going. 

There is also the issue of what constitutes 'vigilante' behaviour.  Captain Cookie seems to have adopted a proactive approach, tackling potential criminal behaviour before it manifests.  Chimpsky, like Dredd, responds after the event.  Theirs is largely reactive rather than proactive.

So if vigilanteism is taking personal action with regrards to criminality, does it have to be reactive?   :-*
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 March, 2021, 08:14:51 AM
Quote from: Richard on 11 March, 2021, 01:00:14 AM
Is it me, or is the paper different?

It certainly seems to be all the talk of Facebook. I didn't notice - and now the Prog is in the nerdcave so can't check - bit defo seems to be a difference and if you take Facebook opinion as of any value, not for the good either.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 11 March, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 March, 2021, 07:01:48 AM
Quote from: Richard on 11 March, 2021, 01:00:14 AM
Is it me, or is the paper different?

It thought so too,  but it turned out I'd just got some Shredded Wheat on the screen.  ;)

Mine if full of fingerprints
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 11 March, 2021, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 10 March, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
Jim this one is for you on your work  on Durham Red (read it in a review for the prog):

I hadn't seen that, broodblik — many thanks!
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 11 March, 2021, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 March, 2021, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 10 March, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
Jim this one is for you on your work  on Durham Red (read it in a review for the prog):

I hadn't seen that, broodblik — many thanks!

Silly me should have added the link as well, well here it is:

http://comicsthegathering.com/review/gavin-johnston/14750/2000ad-2222-review (http://comicsthegathering.com/review/gavin-johnston/14750/2000ad-2222-review)
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: norton canes on 11 March, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
Chimpski: Agreed that this should probably be the final meeting of the titular chimp and his law-enforcing nemesis, and that if stories featuring Dredd are continue, the judge should be given his own strip. So much to enjoy this week - the flashback, the montage of cits, double Dredd in the limpid pools, "Check out prog 2212 while you're at it"... also, it's lovely that this has gone from a simple whodunnit* to a very Chimpsky case of ensuring justice is meted out correctly.

* [spoiler]Or has it? Come on, we all know the jays shoot Cookie![/spoiler]

Nakka of the S.T.A.R.S: Was ready to dismiss this as a bit of inconsequential whimsy but if nothing else there's a puzzle to be solved, which provides sufficient intrigue. Theories that the killer might be non-human are all very well, but I'm wondering if the cover of this very prog provides a foretaste of events to come..?

(Can anyone enlighten me on the meaning of the simile "...like the back tyre of a midwife's rudge"? The only definitions I can find for 'rudge' are 'a dialectal variant of ridge' or an antiquated term for a partridge - neither of which make much sense when compared to a back tyre. Oh hang on, turns out Rudge-Whitworth were a British cycle manufacturer. I see.)

Thistlebone: Absolutely one to be read in collected form, I think. No-one does faces like Simon Davis, do they. If you'll pardon the expression.

P.Vex: The Carroll droid wisely mixing exposition with plenty of action, here. The little cutaways of the jet pack crashing through walls as it flies to its target are excellent. I do slightly miss the feel of the first book where (IIRC) Vex did more travelling, from weird location to even more weird location; but still, this is great stuff.

Red: On and on, and better and better. Ten instalments in and no sign of relenting, continually throwing up new twists; I thought this would be five or six episodes and over but I'd be delighted if this turned into a 20-part mega-epic (sorry - a 21-part mega-epic).

It's a shame about Slaine. Ah well, at least we get to see it in the same prog as Feral & Foe, which pleases me immensely.

Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: scrotnig on 12 March, 2021, 08:59:16 AM
All I feel I can add to this thread is this:

It's testimony to how strong 2000AD is these days, that one of the major strips can be unexpectedly missing from a prog, yet said prog is as awesome as this one is. That's impressive at any time, but in the current situation it's astonishing. That 3rillers is brilliant.

Had a new reader happened upon this prog (and not read the Nerve Centre!) they'd be completely unaware anything was 'amiss'.

And yes the paper is definitely different. Not sure why. It's not better or worse particularly, just...different.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 March, 2021, 09:45:32 AM
The paper feels different, yes. Print quality seems unaffected, mind. I've only read two strips so far, but liked them both. Dredd is fun — although I agree the wee chimp now really has to spin off. But Durham Red has been the star of the show for weeks. I do hope this momentum can be continued, because this run is as good as any of (in fact, I'd say better than quite a lot of) the 'reboot' Strontium Dog run and up there with a good chunk of the classic run.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: TordelBack on 12 March, 2021, 10:59:33 AM
Agree about Durham Red, the more I read of it the higher I rate it. Increasingly I see Worley as a major element of Tharg's script arsenal, he's developed a persuasive episodic rhythm of concept, action and revelation, and he's consistently providing a space for great artists to do what they do best. More of this kind of thing.

On the Chimpsky thing, I know I said he now needs to either get out of Dredd's orbit entirely,  or be crushed, but that really isn't because I don't like the little guy or his adventures. The citizen trying to live a good life is absolutely integral to my view and enjoyment of the strip, and Joe doesn't have to even do anything beyond the occasional one-panel sneer for these to be great Dredd stories. Chopper, James Fennimore Snork, Tony Tubbs,  Jacob Sardini, Dink Jowett and Rosie, Banzai Battalion, Kenny Who?, the guy from It Pays to be Mental (did he even have a name?).

There's an argument to be made that in an era of passive/incapacitated Dredd, essentially Dreddless stories compound the problem, but I'm still in favour. My concern with Chimpsky is that for his position in opposition to the cold inhumanity of the system to have any value, he needs to lose. If a citizen can circumvent Dredd repeatedly without being a bigger villain than Joe himself, without consequence, then he's breaking the rules of the setting (such as they are). The only solution is to move him well way from the big guy.

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Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 March, 2021, 11:48:46 AM
For me the chance to Chimpsky to grow outside of the main strip is too fold.

Within Dredd its Dredd stories that have a similar beat and tone and it feels repetitive, particularly with the rate at which they are coming. If we had a Chimpsky story once every couple of years then they would be a real treat. The biggest weapon in Dredd's arsenal is the variety his world and how it operates in it offers and Chimpsky is in danger of putting a bump in that.

Then for the Chimp himself it'd open up a much richer set of possiblities for stories around him. So we could stretch from the investigation of crimes from two angles side of things and stretch out. I love the character, I love the stories he's been in. He's just needs to get a job and get out to stand on his own two feet now... or swing with his own four thumbs, whatever.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 12 March, 2021, 01:30:46 PM
Many moons ago people was allowed to vote if Robin lives  or die so maybe Tharg must give us a voting right on Chimpsky's outcome:
1. Spin him off let him fly and soar to higher heights
2. Nope lock the little one up let Dredd cube him
3. Nope let Dredd dim his lights
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Leigh S on 12 March, 2021, 02:11:22 PM
With my tinfoil hat on, I'm hoping the art issues might be a rejig to allow the story to carry on, with Pat having had second thoughts about it -more likely conspiracy theory would be the opposite, with the art being changed to finish it off for good, but we can live in hope!

I see Tharg calls it the "climax of the Celtic Warrior's adventures" so I'm aware thats wihful thinking on my part! Just a pity to ahve yet another Mills creation wrapped up hurriedly (not that I aam against wrapping them up, but both Nemesis and Slaine will ahve both gone out in as an abrupt manner as you coould imagine)

Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 12 March, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 12 March, 2021, 02:11:22 PM
Just a pity to ahve yet another Mills creation wrapped up hurriedly (not that I aam against wrapping them up, but both Nemesis and Slaine will ahve both gone out in as an abrupt manner as you coould imagine)

(https://i.imgur.com/QDwTljL.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 12 March, 2021, 02:29:10 PM
I think Slaine might have a more open-ended ambiguous type of ending. So, if Pat wants to continue at a later stage he can if he wants to. If a lot of folks really want Slaine to continue that is a different topic.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: norton canes on 12 March, 2021, 03:31:18 PM
It'll be open ended in the sense that it'll lead on to whatever Pat had next in mind for the strip before he pulled the plug.

It would be funny if they'd quickly had another artist draw an alternative final panel where Slaine gets his head ripped off by a dragon.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 12 March, 2021, 03:35:10 PM
Maybe that is why Manco is late he had to draw an "alternative" ending which is the one that gets published. Maybe in the collection we might see the "original" ending, something like  a director's cut or the last page was written by Alan Smithee
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Bolt-01 on 12 March, 2021, 03:43:16 PM
Heh, folk are wishing for the end of Strontium Dogs!

"And lo, Slaine performed the mighty logic leap and in merging with the dragon boy he transformed into Firefall!"
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: norton canes on 12 March, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
It'll end with Slaine kicking down a door, then appearing on the next page at the start of Proteus Vex doing the same thing from a different angle.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Mike Carroll on 12 March, 2021, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 12 March, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
It'll end with Slaine kicking down a door, then appearing on the next page at the start of Proteus Vex doing the same thing from a different angle.
OK, that was supposed to be a secret!
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 12 March, 2021, 05:26:08 PM
Anyone else finding this week's prog, er, "missing"? My local WHS still dont have copies today (Friday). I'm wondering if this is in any way linked to the apparently different printing I keep hearing about.

SBT
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: broodblik on 12 March, 2021, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 12 March, 2021, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 12 March, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
It'll end with Slaine kicking down a door, then appearing on the next page at the start of Proteus Vex doing the same thing from a different angle.
OK, that was supposed to be a secret!

Oh no there goes my theory that he will be revealed as the vigilante in Megatropolis
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: ianlineham@yahoo.com on 13 March, 2021, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 11 March, 2021, 08:14:51 AM
Quote from: Richard on 11 March, 2021, 01:00:14 AM
Is it me, or is the paper different?

It certainly seems to be all the talk of Facebook. I didn't notice - and now the Prog is in the nerdcave so can't check - bit defo seems to be a difference and if you take Facebook opinion as of any value, not for the good either.

If you take Facebook opinion as being of value it should probably still be in black and white on bog roll
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 March, 2021, 10:30:27 AM
Quote from: ianlineham@yahoo.com on 13 March, 2021, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 11 March, 2021, 08:14:51 AM
Quote from: Richard on 11 March, 2021, 01:00:14 AM
Is it me, or is the paper different?

It certainly seems to be all the talk of Facebook. I didn't notice - and now the Prog is in the nerdcave so can't check - bit defo seems to be a difference and if you take Facebook opinion as of any value, not for the good either.

If you take Facebook opinion as being of value it should probably still be in black and white on bog roll

Or out of business cos they'd be paying creators 4 times as much, while making no money AND making sure everyone got their personal choices and favourites indulged perfectly.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Sean SD on 13 March, 2021, 01:22:09 PM
My Top 3 for Prog 2222 :)

1st - 3riller - Nakka of the S.T.A.R.S - very enjoyable and McCarthy art
2nd - Proteus Vex - Action a plenty, Vex can handle himself in a scrap
3rd - Dredd  - Part 2 of Noam is back. Enjoy these stories and art. Don't mind them being part of a Dredd strip rather than a spin off. He's a fun way to look at the meg from a different angle
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: sintec on 13 March, 2021, 05:13:34 PM
It's a shame to break up the Slaine run but the prog certainly doesn't suffer for it. Replacement Nakka sets up an intriguing murder mystery plot with some great art from McCarthy. Vex and Red both rattle along towards some action packed conclusions - it's going to be a shame to loose these 2 for me they've been the backbone of the recent run. Thistlebone is clearly going to be a slow burner and this week sees it building atmosphere and plotting, love Simon Davis's art on this. Oh and Dredd pops up briefly in The adventures of Chimpsky.
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: dweezil2 on 13 March, 2021, 05:45:57 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 12 March, 2021, 05:26:08 PM
Anyone else finding this week's prog, er, "missing"? My local WHS still dont have copies today (Friday). I'm wondering if this is in any way linked to the apparently different printing I keep hearing about.

SBT

Hope you managed to grab a copy of the Prog.

It was in my local newsie near Ashford, no :thumbsup:t too far from your neck of the woods, on its usual day of Wednesday if that's of any help.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Jacqusie on 13 March, 2021, 05:48:29 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 12 March, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 12 March, 2021, 02:11:22 PM
Just a pity to ahve yet another Mills creation wrapped up hurriedly (not that I aam against wrapping them up, but both Nemesis and Slaine will ahve both gone out in as an abrupt manner as you coould imagine)

(https://i.imgur.com/QDwTljL.jpg)

I was hoping that the Poochie ending might be applied to the Sinister Dexter - not Sinister malarky and they all go in a swipe or two of the artists eraser...

or just in the bin really...
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: Woolly on 13 March, 2021, 09:43:07 PM
Loving the Chimpsky tales myself, Dredd's big enough that he can take a background role now and again.
That said, I do agree that some kind of Dredd-to-head* is overdue.


*(You see what I did there? Certified genius B-) )
Title: Re: Prog 2222 - Reach For The S.T.A.R.S!
Post by: BPP on 26 March, 2021, 11:41:01 PM
Those kids are perps, not victims.


What's wrong with all of you.