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Title: And another Dr who question....
Post by: Peter Wolf on 18 May, 2007, 09:06:27 PM


    Can anyone say exactly when the very last episode that had John Pertwee as Drwho when he metamorphisised intoTom Baker was?

        I have a childhood memory that just never goes away about this episode as i had never watched Dr who ever before as i didnt live in england then and i was visiting.   I moved here not long after that and was hooked immediatly as i thought Tom Baker was just bloody excellent.    

       I would love to see the brain of morbious ,the seeds of doom,and that one set in victorian london with the villain who lived in the sewer and once took his mask off. Thats all i can remember apart from Tom Baker buying some muffins at the end

                     I stopped watching Dr Who after that as none of the other Drs were any good.
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: JamesC on 18 May, 2007, 09:14:01 PM
The last Pertwee story was 'Planet of the Spiders'.
You can get a synopsis on Wikipedia but I don't know how to do links I'm afraid.
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: VampiraJen on 18 May, 2007, 09:16:20 PM
june 8th, 1974

Link: good ol' wikipedia strikes again!

Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: VampiraJen on 18 May, 2007, 09:20:10 PM
damn.  JamesC's post was so NOT there when i posted.  i thought i was being suck a cleaver arse...:)


I stopped watching Dr Who after that as none of the other Drs were any good.

i honestly believe that both Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy could have been brilliant doctors if the show wasn't getting completely fucked around with by that point
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Post by: JamesC on 18 May, 2007, 09:22:24 PM
And of course it would have helped if Colin Baker's outfit wasn't designed in a Blue Peter competition. He looked like a nonce-case.
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Post by: VampiraJen on 18 May, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
true.  but as i said, fucked about.  i liked that his doctor acted like a bit of a bastard (or as far as you could in 1980's kids show) at times and that McCoys doctor was more in touch with the darker side of the character.
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Post by: Robin Low on 18 May, 2007, 09:39:21 PM
"i honestly believe that both Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy could have been brilliant doctors if the show wasn't getting completely fucked around with by that point"

I still rate McCoy has one of the best. I liked most of his stories, too. On film with a budget they'd have been great.

Regards

Robin
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Post by: JamesC on 18 May, 2007, 09:41:15 PM
You're right I think. The trouble was I think the powers that be started aiming it more at a kiddy audience than a family audience which I think was actually quite patronising to the kids at the time.
I remember thinking that the laser baseball bat or whatever the fuck it was that Ace (a shit 'let's try to be cool' name in itself) carried was really naff as it was so self conciously trying to be cool and 'with the kids'.
It reminds me of that 'Nozin' Aroun' spoof in The Young Ones.
'I'm standing up here on this gantry 'coz that's what this programme is all about - SHOCK!'
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 18 May, 2007, 09:55:15 PM



          I probably wasnt giving them any credit at all   .That isnt fair at all so i will go with you on this one      Its amazing how often these interfering idiots ruin things especially films.Theres no point doing anything creative unless you have artistic license.  The accountants should stick to what they are good at in my opinion.     Kids dont want namby pamby crap, they want to be scared.

         
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Post by: VampiraJen on 18 May, 2007, 10:29:07 PM
Kids dont want namby pamby crap, they want to be scared.

i think the adult population have a tendancy to underestimate children.  'we' (and by 'we' i mean mary whitehouse) tend to think that our children should be wrapped in a plastic bubble and sheilded from the world, while we scream 'the children! won't someone think of the children!?!'.  personally i think children and stronger than we give them credibility for and because of their age and lack of world weiriness are probably a lot more adaptable than we are.

so...umm...what were we talking about?  ah yes, planet of spiders.  good ep, i remember enjoying it.  contay to what mary whitehouse said, i, as an arachnophobe, was not scared shitless once.  regeneration, sfx wise, was shit, buy hey, Tom Baker!!!  Woo!!!


ahem.
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 18 May, 2007, 10:38:02 PM


    As far as i know she is dead now so thats good.  stupid stupid woman.  
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 18 May, 2007, 10:38:53 PM


    As far as i know she is dead now so thats good.  stupid stupid woman.  
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: VampiraJen on 18 May, 2007, 10:39:05 PM
I still rate McCoy has one of the best. I liked most of his stories, too

i liked the one with the brigadier and all that king arthur stuff.  the blue monster was totally ace (oh, god, no pun intended) and for late eighties bbc make up looked totally wicked
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Post by: Peter Wolf on 18 May, 2007, 10:40:23 PM



    She should have concentrated on crosswords and knitting  or played Manhunt.
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Post by: VampiraJen on 18 May, 2007, 10:41:31 PM
yes she is.  i remember reading a bit about her just after she died.  there was lots of mixed comments from people.  the one i always remember was from bruce forsyth who said, 'i'm sure many people will miss her, but i won't be one of them."
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Post by: peepsbutlerdroid on 18 May, 2007, 10:49:04 PM
The last season (with McCoy) contained two of the greatest stories from the show's history in Ghost Light and Curse of Fenric. The show had been steadily climbing out of the nadir of Colin Baker's last season and the early McCoy episodes when it was promptly cancelled.
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Post by: VampiraJen on 18 May, 2007, 10:49:45 PM
god, can you imagine if she was still around now with everyone freaking out about the 'evils' og computer games...?
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Post by: JamesC on 18 May, 2007, 11:02:28 PM
Has anyone ever had their own Mary Whitehouse moment?
I remember being shocked and disgusted when I saw some long forgotten shite 90's boyband on Blue Peter singing a song called 'Liquid Dreams' which was all about messing the sheets up while dreaming about some woman made up from bits of other women like Jennifer Anniston and Pamela Anderson or something.

Sorry - that was totally off topic!
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: Misanthrope on 18 May, 2007, 11:30:37 PM
I remember reading that Whitehouses son was a heroin addict and thinking: 'leading by example there, Mary.'
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Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 19 May, 2007, 01:11:31 AM
"The last season (with McCoy) contained two of the greatest stories from the show's history in Ghost Light and Curse of Fenric. The show had been steadily climbing out of the nadir of Colin Baker's last season and the early McCoy episodes when it was promptly cancelled."

Those are the only episodes I have on DVD...the problem then was kind of the opposite of the problem now in that those stories were TOO ambitions and had TOO many themes going on, and the plots were bewieldering (though I love the idea of the being that wanted to archive all life on Earth but never could leave because it kept changing). It was becoming a kind of wierd mystery drama beyond the usual kind of sci-fi plotting, though the story was part of the puzzle. The partnership with Ace was just perfect and his relationship with her actually gave the stories some purpose and drive. McCoy made The Doctor mysterious and eccentric again, a small man affecting things with his wit, vision and improvisation, not sword fighting - which is surely the closest thing to a definition of what the show is actually about: The English hero (yes I know he's Scottish).

The effects however, were shit.
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Post by: VampiraJen on 19 May, 2007, 03:12:36 PM
I remember reading that Whitehouses son was a heroin addict and thinking: 'leading by example there, Mary.'

you generally find that with preachy parents and their whole thou shall, thou shall not attitudes, they just set themselves up some major rebellion and fuck their children up
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Post by: Byron Virgo on 19 May, 2007, 04:11:43 PM
"I saw some long forgotten shite 90's boyband on Blue Peter singing a song called 'Liquid Dreams' which was all about messing the sheets up while dreaming about some woman made up from bits of other women like Jennifer Anniston and Pamela Anderson or something."

So it's changed somewhat since my day then...?
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Post by: Mr C on 19 May, 2007, 05:07:03 PM
O-Town. 2001. Soon disappeared from the face of the planet after their debut.

For dirty pop, Another Levels "Let me lick you up and down" was a bit strong for the teeny bopper market, IMO.

Link: O-Town. Shit. Fact.

Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: JamesC on 19 May, 2007, 05:19:32 PM
Ah, that's it! O-town.
I seem to remember that one of them was the son of Ponch from CHiPs.
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 21 May, 2007, 01:01:10 AM



             Only everytime i saw her on tv herself
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Post by: VampiraJen on 21 May, 2007, 01:04:08 AM
you have an icon!  Yah!  looks cool, whatever it is :)
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Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 May, 2007, 11:56:46 AM
Curse of Fenric is my all-time favourite, along with Pertwee's Spearhead From Space. Being born a generation too late, the only Whos I caught on telly while still young enough for them to have the desired effect were the McCoy ones, barring later repeats.

It's fair to say that Fenric really fucked me up at the time - the images of the sea-demons(?) lumbering onto a bleak Yorkshire beach and stumbling through the graveyard, the vampire girls enticing ill-fated soldiers into the water, the green mist(?) snaking its way through the WWII base and killing every occupant... really bloody creepy stuff.
Yes, pretty bad effects, but it worked because it was all played so deadly straight, without the sort of smug post-modern remarks or Buffy-style one-liners you'd get these days to deflate the atmosphere. The cast were acting alongside men wrapped in bubble-wrap, but my god did they make you believe they were evil mutants!

Fenric is what I refer people to when they say what a bad doctor McCoy was. If only he'd had one more season, I think we'd have seen some really rather stunning stuff...
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 21 May, 2007, 03:18:30 PM



      did she realise that you can change channels if you dont like what you are seeing?
           It seems she wasnt aware of this fact.
           she must have managed to turn it on unless someone else did that for her.
     
         she must have secretly got off on certain material shown on tv ,felt very guilty about it,and then set herself up as some sort of moral guardian for everyone.

   
Title: Re: And another Dr who question...
Post by: Byron Virgo on 21 May, 2007, 03:38:52 PM
The series has also been collected in a series of Flemmis language books in Belgium as well.