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Started by The Legendary Shark, 09 April, 2010, 03:59:03 PM

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JOE SOAP

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 04 May, 2011, 10:39:51 PMjust broad-stroke ideals and the reality is much more complex.


Too complex for a democratic sytem which says 51% can tell the other 49% what to do.

The Legendary Shark

Exactly. We need something more. Democracy 2.0?
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JOE SOAP

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 04 May, 2011, 11:15:20 PM
Exactly. We need something more. Democracy 2.0?


Democracy: government in which all citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives and the lives of others, this to me is unworkable and a total paradox.  Proper community based consensualism and sustainability is where it starts. It must be grown from the base but no one way should be totally prescriptive as each state will have different needs and resources.

The Legendary Shark

I agree 100%. Decisions should be made at a local level with the government acting as nothing more than facilitators or co-ordinators. Put the power - and the responsibility - back where it belongs.
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JOE SOAP


The Legendary Shark

I sense an embryonic new coalition in the making...
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I, Cosh

How about somebody tells me what democracy means?

Surely, one person, one vote on every issue is not just unworkable but actually undesirable. The logical step is to devolve the decision making process to a smaller, specialised group, no?
We never really die.

JOE SOAP

Can you imagine how even more brilliant it would be if we were drunk!

JOE SOAP

#1673
Quote from: The Cosh on 05 May, 2011, 12:11:43 AMSurely, one person, one vote on every issue is not just unworkable but actually undesirable. The logical step is to devolve the decision making process to a smaller, specialised group, no?


That's why consensus is the better alternative, at a basic level if you agree on something with others it's a collective in pursuit of that objective, those who don't agree have no obligation to be a part of but don't get the benefit of the achievment either; of course there are flexibilities within any situation.

The Legendary Shark

A network of democracy rather than a pyramid.
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JOE SOAP

#1675
Not democracy, consensus. Democracy is a system of "rule by the governed" which is paradoxical and means constraining the individual via other individuals which leads to cronyism and hierarchy. Take rule and governed out of the equation.

Definitely Not Mister Pops

It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always wins

That's satire that is
You may quote me on that.

JOE SOAP

No it's not, it's truth.

Definitely Not Mister Pops

#1678
Consensus?

Obama's just made an executive decision not to release any photos/footage to confirm Bin Laden's demise.

Here's a hypothetical situation:

Wikileaks, does its thing and gets the photos online by the end of the month. The US administration has a wee hissy fit, but there's not much they can do about it, wikileaks are just publishing extra media about a story that was already public knowledge.

So now instead of deferring to Obama's executive privilege, people can choose for themselves, whether or not they want/need to see a corpse.

The internet is all about consensus (when its not about trolling/spamming)
You may quote me on that.

The Legendary Shark

The internet is the beginning of the end of corporate (both economic and political) power.
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