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2000 AD => Announcements => Topic started by: Molch-R on 27 February, 2017, 06:03:27 PM

Title: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Molch-R on 27 February, 2017, 06:03:27 PM
After the huge success of Judge Dredd: The Mega Collection, we're delighted to tip you off you that Hachette Partworks is to trial a new collection bringing together stories from 40 years of 2000 AD.

You may well see or hear about test volumes appear in newsagents in certain parts of the country over the next month. These tests are being done to see if a series would work and, if the test is successful, there'll be a big national launch at a later date - just like there was with the Mega Collection.

This is very exciting for us as the Mega Collection has been hugely positive for 2000 AD and we want that success to continue.

We appreciate every fan's interest in ensuring these tests are successful - WE want them to be successful too, but we also appreciate Hachette's concerns that people rushing into the test areas and bulk buying copies will skew their numbers and could put the viability of a national launch at risk. We and Hachette don't publicise these tests for that very reason.

At the same time, we know you'll want to get your hands on what promise to be rather tasty new hardcover editions. If you're desperate to get a copy of one of the books and you find yourself NOT in a test area, please send me your name and address through this forum, we'll see about getting you a sample copy from Hachette (dependant on supplies).

The series website is now live at www.2000adcollection.com if you want to see how the collection might take shape if it does launch nationally.

This is yet more great news for 2000 AD in its 40th anniversary year and we know we can count on your support if the collection gets the go ahead!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 27 February, 2017, 06:06:46 PM
Interesting!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 27 February, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
Great news - is it OK to share this on our SD and Minty facebook page or would that upset the Hachette Gods?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 27 February, 2017, 06:36:07 PM
The link doesn't work :(
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 27 February, 2017, 06:50:23 PM
Can you get Patrick Goddard on the spine of this one! Great news but please wrap up the Dredd one first!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tony Angelino on 27 February, 2017, 07:22:56 PM
Sounds good.

My only concern is that sometimes with size of the hardbacks you get a really good story or stories but then padded out with 'filler' material (usually from the 1990's if the Mega Collection is anything to go by).

I would nearly prefer the hardbacks to have less pages in them but be a larger size.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Geoff on 27 February, 2017, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 27 February, 2017, 06:50:23 PM
Can you get Patrick Goddard on the spine of this one! Great news but please wrap up the Dredd one first!

I'll second that. Be difficult to justify getting both at the same time...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 February, 2017, 08:17:27 PM
Ha! Brilliant! Very glad to be proven wrong (potentially) that this would never happen. But, man, this is going to be a really tricky series for Matt and co. to put together. So many strips only work fully when complete. But given the pasting my paperbacks are taking on our IKEA Billys, I'd be sorely tempted to double tip if certain series were going to be there in their entireties.

Anyway: good job to all concerned. Here's hoping it does well.

Quote from: Tony Angelino on 27 February, 2017, 07:22:56 PMMy only concern is that sometimes with size of the hardbacks you get a really good story or stories but then padded out with 'filler' material (usually from the 1990's if the Mega Collection is anything to go by).
I think part of that, to be frank, is a decision to attempt to provide more value to the readers. If you've seen the original Marvel collection, you'll know how absurdly varied they are in width. Some volumes are chunky, but others are really skinny. I'd sooner have a decent yarn backed with middling material. The problem is when a book's all what people would consider filler – which fortunately hasn't happened often. (With a 2000 AD collection, it'd be an interesting thought experiment to see what you could get into 60–80 200–250-page books. I'll bet you wouldn't need to dip into the Junkers of this world.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 27 February, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
Yeah, if it went ahead, there are stories which wouldn't fill the average MC volume.

DR & Quinch for example. I'm not sure what you'd do there - either partner it with something tonally similar, or fill it with Alan Moore FS/Time Twisters?

I guess there's even the possibility of stuff that is tenuously Dreddworld that fell through the cracks.

Shako/Ant Wars/Rounded off with Zancudo?

I don't envy the droids putting it together if it goes to a full series.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tony Angelino on 27 February, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
All the Mega Collections seem to have been the same size. I'd rather get a 'skinny' volume than get one padded out with material I'm sure even Garth Ennis is surprised is getting a reprint.

I can see the first volume being The Ballad of Halo Jones (with an Ian Gibson cover). Second volume will probably be Ant Wars with a foreword by Neil Gaiman or some other luminary.

Be interesting to see what they do with the covers. I like the Mega Collection black, white and red but presumably they'll do something different for a 2000AD collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: opaque on 27 February, 2017, 09:38:37 PM
Filler is certainly an issue. And the sheer cost is very annoying. I'm not buying any of the new GN's because of buying the Hatchette series.
And yes it needs the 'Dredd' one to finish first! The quality is lovely but there is a matter of too much at once.

How about one a month?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 February, 2017, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 27 February, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
I can see the first volume being The Ballad of Halo Jones (with an Ian Gibson cover). Second volume will probably be Ant Wars with a foreword by Neil Gaiman or some other luminary.


You'd be lucky if they did !

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43337.msg922260#msg922260 (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43337.msg922260#msg922260)

He says arrogantly quoting himself. Love me some Ant Wars.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 27 February, 2017, 10:26:55 PM
It beggars belief that out of all the fantastic stories to have appeared in the prog over four decades, three people have gone and suggested Ant Wars as a candidate for inclusion, a dated, cliched, unimaginative strip which made it into an official list of the worst stories to have appeared in the comic (in a Sci-Fi Special I think).

*shakes head in despair, growls under breath, self-harms*
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 27 February, 2017, 10:27:34 PM
Great news though. Hope it works out.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tony Angelino on 27 February, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
I actually didn't notice that Steve had mentioned Ant Wars in the post before mine. Just shows you the demand is out there and that Rebellion have been going down the wrong route with the whole Judge Dredd thing.

To be honest I haven't read the strip since it first appeared. My collection of early progs is sadly long gone. One of my only memories of the story is the cover to #78. I was on my summer holidays in Portrush and I can remember getting a bit annoyed that I had difficulty finding 2000AD in the newsagent (as it was cleverly disguised as a newspaper).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: dweezil2 on 27 February, 2017, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: Richard on 27 February, 2017, 10:26:55 PM
It beggars belief that out of all the fantastic stories to have appeared in the prog over four decades, three people have gone and suggested Ant Wars as a candidate for inclusion, a dated, cliched, unimaginative strip which made it into an official list of the worst stories to have appeared in the comic (in a Sci-Fi Special I think).

*shakes head in despair, growls under breath, self-harms*

I remember Ant Wars scaring the shit out of me the last time I read it-that was back in 1978 though!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Buttonman on 27 February, 2017, 11:26:40 PM
This announcement could lead to divorces! Was Ant Wars a 2000ad premiere? It always seemed bought in to me - still my first experience of it was as a reprint in the '82 Eagle.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Buttonman on 27 February, 2017, 11:34:04 PM
I hope Paisley, the home of thrill-power is a test area again. I didn't bulk buy to boost the project but America at 99p? Who's not going to buy a pile to spread the word?  I appreciate Hachette want to do their market tests but one look in the door at the 40th party would have assured them of their committed market.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: maryanddavid on 27 February, 2017, 11:41:31 PM
This would interest me far more than the Dredd collections. I have most of the Dredd tales in various formats Titan, Eagle, Best of, Complete, and Casefiles, I couldn't justify shelling out for another copy of a Dredd story I wont read.

However, a collection in Hardback, fortnightly, with Bad Company, Kingdom, Red Seas, Halo Jones, Absolam(SP?)  Ace, and yes Ant Wars, and even my guilty secret Colony Earth, I'd get this.
Ooo, How about tenuous 2000 AD material like The Angry Planet (its sequal, 'Mars Force' was earmarked for 2000AD) and Mind Wars?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 12:43:10 AM
Fantastic news. The Mega Colelction is what brought me into the world of 2000AD, so an expansion upon it will be very much welcome.

Perhaps I should stop buying old trades for a while.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: rogue69 on 28 February, 2017, 12:45:53 AM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Smith on 28 February, 2017, 08:02:26 AM
That sounds interesting.
And I would love me some Red Seas.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 February, 2017, 09:11:24 AM
Quote from: rogue69 on 28 February, 2017, 12:45:53 AM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?

Same here.
Would love to see this in the shops.
I'm a complete sucker for these partworks. I'm collecting Dredd, DC, Marvel, Star Trek and the Doctor Who one but I can always find a few pennies for a 2000 AD one.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 09:12:03 AM
Not sure if you can answer this Molch-R (probably not) but is this to be seen as a replacement to the Mega Collection as that winds down in the next year, or is this to run concurrently with the Mega Collection like Marvel Ultimate & Marvel's Mightiest do?

And do we know which regions this is testing in? Out of curiosity rather than any ability to travel  :lol:
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 10:08:34 AM
They were pretty cagey about locations for the MC tests.

Hachette want to get an accurate reading of sales - I'm sceptical that in the age of social media that's ever going to happen, but that's what they're aiming for.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pyroxian on 28 February, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
Site's working for me. Looks like a great collection :)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 February, 2017, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 28 February, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
Site's working for me. Looks like a great collection :)

It is for me too now.

Looks awesome!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 28 February, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 27 February, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
I actually didn't notice that Steve had mentioned Ant Wars in the post before mine. Just shows you the demand is out there and that Rebellion have been going down the wrong route with the whole Judge Dredd thing.

There's only one thing for it - the Hachette Ant Wars collection (not sure that Ant Wars and Zancudo would stretch to 60/80 issues though, you'd have to publish one page per issue, with the rest taken up with behind-the-scenes material).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 28 February, 2017, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: maryanddavid on 27 February, 2017, 11:41:31 PM
However, a collection in Hardback, fortnightly, with Bad Company, Kingdom, Red Seas, Halo Jones, Absolam(SP?)  Ace, and yes Ant Wars, and even my guilty secret Colony Earth, I'd get this.

Ooo, How about tenuous 2000 AD material like The Angry Planet (its sequal, 'Mars Force' was earmarked for 2000AD) and Mind Wars?

Absalom.  Didn't Colony Earth get republished relatively recently?  I'd back calls for Mind Wars to be republished as it's probably my favourite story by Redondo (though Nemesis Book II is also a fave) - and was happy to meet Jesus Redondo earlier this month and see how proud he was of that work.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Magnetica on 28 February, 2017, 11:16:22 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 28 February, 2017, 11:05:11 AM
  Didn't Colony Earth get republished relatively recently?

Yes it is in the Sci-Fi Thrillers volume.

I read it for the first time recently and it has to be in my bottom three ever 2000AD thrills.

It makes Death Planet look like Shakespeare.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 28 February, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 27 February, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
I actually didn't notice that Steve had mentioned Ant Wars in the post before mine. Just shows you the demand is out there and that Rebellion have been going down the wrong route with the whole Judge Dredd thing.

There's only one thing for it - the Hachette Ant Wars collection (not sure that Ant Wars and Zancudo would stretch to 60/80 issues though, you'd have to publish one page per issue, with the rest taken up with behind-the-scenes material).

I mentioned it as a bundle with Shako - in a Man vs Nature themed one, not sure what that would run to though.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 11:26:19 AM
Has anyone tried subscribing? What would happen if I were to subscribe and then not be in the test area?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: rogue69 on 28 February, 2017, 11:32:08 AM
website is now working for me to, so I've now signed up only thing I'm not keen on with the free gifts is the hipflask.

Good choice for the first 4 Slaine the Horned God, The Ballad of Halo Jones, Shakara the Avenger & Strontium Dog the Kreeler Conspiracy
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Arkwright99 on 28 February, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 27 February, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
I can see the first volume being The Ballad of Halo Jones (with an Ian Gibson cover).
The website says that "Each hardback book has an exclusive cover especially designed for the collection". Given that that cover (and the others on display) have all appeared elsewhere, I'd assume that they're merely placeholders rather than what will actually appear on the books?

Unless 'exclusive' means something different for Hachette than how I've been using the word all these years.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 February, 2017, 12:00:15 PM
Exclusive design doesn't necessarily mean new artwork. (Plus these things sometimes change between the preview issues and the final ones.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
I took exclusive design to mean the set out of Artwork, with a left hand title strip and an emphasised character logo in the top left.

Same way the exclusive design on mega collection is the black and white with red highlights

Though I still wish they'd put the book title on the spine like Eaglemoss did for DC. If I don't want to rifle through my shelves I need a spreadsheet when I want to read Mega Collection.  :lol:
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 28 February, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 12:06:58 PM

Though I still wish they'd put the book title on the spine like Eaglemoss did for DC. If I don't want to rifle through my shelves I need a spreadsheet when I want to read Mega Collection.  :lol:


^This.^ Or at least an index, either in the last volume or as a standalone addition.

New set looks fantastic. I just wish I had the room :(

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 28 February, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 12:06:58 PM

Though I still wish they'd put the book title on the spine like Eaglemoss did for DC. If I don't want to rifle through my shelves I need a spreadsheet when I want to read Mega Collection.  :lol:


^This.^ Or at least an index, either in the last volume or as a standalone addition.

New set looks fantastic. I just wish I had the room :(

I believe Hachette promised to release an official spreadsheet once the collection was complete, detailing volumes and exactly what's is contained within, but I wish they wouldn't make us wait for it. I'm relying on the Wikipedia page for now
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 February, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
I very excite. Any idea how long the trial period will be before it launches fully? Assuming the trial is successful of course, which hopefully it will be....
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 28 February, 2017, 01:04:14 PM
Oh man we have been gagging for this since the launch of the JDMC. I really hope it can be timed to launch at the conclusion of the existing one since I've just signed up to Transformers. These were both basically my gateway into comics fandom and so I want to be able to enjoy them all without breaking the bank!

Such great news!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 01:07:18 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 28 February, 2017, 01:04:14 PM
Oh man we have been gagging for this since the launch of the JDMC. I really hope it can be timed to launch at the conclusion of the existing one since I've just signed up to Transformers. These were both basically my gateway into comics fandom and so I want to be able to enjoy them all without breaking the bank!

Such great news!

JDMC is due to wrap around February next year, so I would expect 2ADUC to launch August/January depending on which partwork cycle they aim for.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 February, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 11:26:19 AM
Has anyone tried subscribing? What would happen if I were to subscribe and then not be in the test area?

I've subscribed.
In the past I have subscribed to test runs not being held in my area, the most recent being Build an R2-D2, and usually I get the first 3 or 4 issues before getting a letter telling me the series is being put on hold until the future (in R2-D2's case it was 8 months). As a thank you I have normally got a few free issues when it re-starts.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 28 February, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
I suppose reading Ant Wars as a child in 1978 might have been a rather different experience to reading it as a teenager in the 1990s, as I did. So I can now understand why some people feel nostalgic about it. But if they saw it again, it might not live up to their expectations.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 28 February, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 11:26:19 AM
Has anyone tried subscribing? What would happen if I were to subscribe and then not be in the test area?

I've subscribed.
In the past I have subscribed to test runs not being held in my area, the most recent being Build an R2-D2, and usually I get the first 3 or 4 issues before getting a letter telling me the series is being put on hold until the future (in R2-D2's case it was 8 months). As a thank you I have normally got a few free issues when it re-starts.

In that case I have now subscribed. Let's see how this works out
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 February, 2017, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Richard on 28 February, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
I suppose reading Ant Wars as a child in 1978 might have been a rather different experience to reading it as a teenager in the 1990s, as I did. So I can now understand why some people feel nostalgic about it. But if they saw it again, it might not live up to their expectations.

Wow cool we're still talking about Ant Wars - how did that happen?

Anyway since we are I can confirm I read it as a little 'un and loved it and read it again only the other month and still loved it... that's not a popularly held opinion I accept but its mine and I cherish it!

If people would like we could start a whole new thread discussing the virtues or otherwise of the strip? It seems to be getting more attention now that it has for years and if Hachette nipped in here to use the Forum as a barometer of what fans are interested it it might yet actually appear in the series!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Magnetica on 28 February, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
I read Ant Wars in an extreme edition a few years back. As a child I had been vaguely aware of it and it was the kind of thing that put me off 2000AD before I saw the light. After reading it, my feelings were very much "is that it?".

On this collection as a whole, I am swaying between being very excited to thinking how am I going to find the time and storage for it. Not to mention the money. There are things I already have and won't double dip on (I'm not counting the original Progs in saying that) and other things I would buy, most notably Nemesis if it had colour centre spreads restored ( if you count the Deviant Edition that will be a treble dip), and stuff I only have in Prog format I could be tempted to buy e.g.  Bits of Slaine I don't have GNs of, Halo Jones, DR and Quinch, Ace Trucking, Savage, Nikolai Dante ( the ones currently not in print).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 01:41:38 PM
The collection itself comes at a perfect time for me to be honest. I started reading Dredd with the Mega collection, and 2000AD with Prog 1999/2000, and have only bought 2 Agency Files and stickleback, and a futureshock collection, outside of JDMC & Progs. So this is basically a dream come true for me at a perfect time - before I risk seriously double-dipping.

That is assuming, of course, that the 2000AD collection won't duplicate anything found in JDMC? Perhaps more recent series like Enceladus or Every Empire could find a home in the 2000AD set.

By the by, has anyone looked at the spine art by the Langley Droid? Does it appear strange to anyone else that Dredd & Alpha are so off-centre? Almost as if they are planning an extension already... (getting in early on the speculation here)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 28 February, 2017, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 01:07:18 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 28 February, 2017, 01:04:14 PM
Oh man we have been gagging for this since the launch of the JDMC. I really hope it can be timed to launch at the conclusion of the existing one since I've just signed up to Transformers. These were both basically my gateway into comics fandom and so I want to be able to enjoy them all without breaking the bank!

Such great news!

JDMC is due to wrap around February next year, so I would expect 2ADUC to launch August/January depending on which partwork cycle they aim for.

Didn't realise they launched partworks in August, but think the Transformers one tested in the latter half of the year before launching Dec/Jan, so maybe that could happen.

As far as what I'd like to see, the website has the classics! Chuffed to see DR & Quinch, Shakara & starting with Horned God is genius. I see Stickleback in the site too, Ace Trucking, Zombo, Rogue. I'd want to see Chris Weston's Indigo Prime for sure! Bad Company too! Whoop!

I'm one of those lapsed readers who returned to the prog thanks to the JDMC, and luckily I haven't gotten around to purchasing too many collections of classic runs (bar Mek Files 1&2 and Zenith ).

I will definitely be buying, unless they start this summer in which case I may be in trouble.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: NapalmKev on 28 February, 2017, 01:46:48 PM
A 2000AD partwork sounds good, but I'd like to see more than just the obvious stuff (Slaine/Dante). I'd hope that some of the Summer Offensive strips are included, although I'm probably in a minority on that one.

Cheers
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Magnetica on 28 February, 2017, 02:29:09 PM
So combine this with Rebellion's planned reprint schedule for the classic UK comics they have just acquired the rights for and there will literally be no time to sleep it's all looking very promising.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 February, 2017, 03:10:33 PM
Someone needs a slap if they don't put some kind of series indicator on the spines, though. That's the one thing the Marvel collections did well over the Dredd one.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 28 February, 2017, 03:11:17 PM
I love the idea of this series - particularly if we get treated to the text pieces we've had in the MegaCollection. I'm sure (like last time) that the spine is a placeholder - it's garish and beautifully bonkers but I'd rather see more characters like Halo & Slaine. I love the character graphics - little has been given away in terms of how the series is split up. Will we see the entirety of story runs or greatest hits?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dolman on 28 February, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
Can't subscribe from France :( Looks like I'm going to pay twice the money via Amazon/eBay :D But it's worth it.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mardroid on 28 February, 2017, 03:46:11 PM
Hmm. I don't have the space or finance for this and it would involve some double dipping. It's tempting though, as these volumes are so nice and likely I'd just sell older volumes of material I already own, if I got these.

I may very well get the first volume though. I don't have Slaine: The Horned God, and what a bargain for that price!

That was my introduction to Slaine via Lewisham library.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
I might have reconsidered the typeface/spacing on that all caps clint langley caption in the video, BTW.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: James Stacey on 28 February, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
Is Dredd going to be included ? I dont really want to quintuple dip on stuff :)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 04:17:18 PM
Well there's some Dredd imagery in there.

Maybe stuff that fell through the cracks/didn't fit in the Mega Collection?

Still a way off though, it's still at the testing phase.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Timothy on 28 February, 2017, 04:20:44 PM
There is a page from the Dredd/PJ gingerbread man story on the website, and that has definitely already been in the Mega Collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 04:24:35 PM
I suspect that's just placeholder, it still has to run through the test phase. I seem to recall with the Mega Collection there was the offer of getting the test run copies replaced when it went to the full run?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: James Stacey on 28 February, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
nah you just get the new copies as well.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 28 February, 2017, 04:59:47 PM
I'm wondering whether it will be one 'intro to dredd' book with his first story, suspiciously absent from the JDMC, along with some other choice classics. Then Dark Justice for sure.

With only (!) 80 books and so many characters to cover, Dredd will have to be limited.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: matty_ae on 28 February, 2017, 05:11:39 PM
I'll say it - I hope that spine art isn't final.

It's a little bit ugly and harsh for the bookshelf. I know they changed the original Chris Weston spine off the Mega Collection but I want something a bit lighter and character led.

I do love Clint Langley but that isn't for a front room bookshelf.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 February, 2017, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: matty_ae on 28 February, 2017, 05:11:39 PM
I'll say it - I hope that spine art isn't final.

It's a little bit ugly and harsh for the bookshelf. I know they changed the original Chris Weston spine off the Mega Collection but I want something a bit lighter and character led.

I do love Clint Langley but that isn't for a front room bookshelf.

I'll be honest and hope that this is the spine. I think it's lovely. But then mine will be shelved in my man cave and not the front room (living room, parlour, depending on how old you are. Mine's not in the front so I call it the living room).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 28 February, 2017, 06:30:48 PM
Wasn't going to go for this due to space issues but couldn't resist when I saw the website, looks like their will be a load of older novels going on eBay soon
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 February, 2017, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: rogue69 on 28 February, 2017, 12:45:53 AM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?

Me too - can anyone post a link that works? How do I find out if I'm in the amsple area?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 February, 2017, 07:09:09 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 February, 2017, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: rogue69 on 28 February, 2017, 12:45:53 AM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?

Me too - can anyone post a link that works? How do I find out if I'm in the amsple area?

Don't know what the sample area (or is it amsple area?  ;)) is but the website works for me now.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 28 February, 2017, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 28 February, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
I've subscribed.
In the past I have subscribed to test runs not being held in my area, the most recent being Build an R2-D2, and usually I get the first 3 or 4 issues before getting a letter telling me the series is being put on hold until the future (in R2-D2's case it was 8 months). As a thank you I have normally got a few free issues when it re-starts.

Was that just the test run of R2-D2 on hold?  Just asking cause I saw my first copies in the wild today (at FB in Shaftesbury Avenue).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 28 February, 2017, 07:15:35 PM
I've subscribed - I remember last time receiving the first 4 books with the Chris Weston spine before them all being replaced with the Patrick Goddard one. Maybe there's still a chance of that Chris Weston art reappearing. I'd much rather see the whole range of characters - this spine would actually stop me stocking around past the free gifts. Ideally I'd love the spine to match the MegaCollection. Let's see what Halo, Dante, Zenith & Skizz look like in the in the identity parade. Assuming many of the MegaCollection subscribers would collect this too it would make sense to have a sympathetic look to both series.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 28 February, 2017, 07:16:29 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 28 February, 2017, 07:09:09 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 February, 2017, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: rogue69 on 28 February, 2017, 12:45:53 AM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?

Me too - can anyone post a link that works? How do I find out if I'm in the amsple area?

Don't know what the sample area (or is it amsple area?  ;) ) is but the website works for me now.

And thus were words like scrotnig were born (I think scrotnig had been 'escorting').
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tony Angelino on 28 February, 2017, 07:21:40 PM
Yes. I've read that somewhere as well (or else it was in a Pat Mills interview on ECBT). I think Gerry Finley-Day was the source of many of the spelling slip-ups.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 February, 2017, 07:22:28 PM
Sorted now!  :D

They're really going all out with the free gifts aren't they?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tony Angelino on 28 February, 2017, 07:30:39 PM
I thought the spine art on the Mega Collection wasn't great. It wasn't enough to make me want to keep some of the weaker volumes. Had it been Chris Weston I might have been tempted but in reality I probably don't have space for the whole thing anyway.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 28 February, 2017, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
I might have reconsidered the typeface/spacing on that all caps clint langley caption in the video, BTW.

I didn't watch the video as my computer is only slightly less old and decrepit as myself, but is it the usual Clint problem (that has led to that name being pretty much off-limits to fictional comic characters)? 
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tony Angelino on 28 February, 2017, 07:42:42 PM
Right, I've just checked out the website for the 2000AD collection.

I had recently cancelled the Mega Collection in a rage over the inclusion of Sleaze n' Ryder and other 1990's nonsense but it looks like this is going to take its place. Again I don't think the spine art is up to much but this looks great. Gibson's cover to #2 looks fantastic. I take it that is old artwork from him?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 February, 2017, 08:16:33 PM
I'm not keen on the spine either. It's basically ABC Warriors with Dredd and Strontium Dog lobbed in there. Could do with more characters. Could do with any women. That said, they could have a drunk John Wagner do the spine in the crayon and I'd still be tempted by these books.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 08:44:14 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 28 February, 2017, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
I might have reconsidered the typeface/spacing on that all caps clint langley caption in the video, BTW.

I didn't watch the video as my computer is only slightly less old and decrepit as myself, but is it the usual Clint problem (that has led to that name being pretty much off-limits to fictional comic characters)?

Yep, not really helped by the curve of the L either.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: opaque on 28 February, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
The spine art sucks ;)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 28 February, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
I hope they publish that Gordon Rennie Dredd with a lot of nerds talking about spine graphics.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 28 February, 2017, 09:22:57 PM
Judging from the questionnaire for issue 1 readers, the running order hasn't been finalized. If they are asking for readers' favourite characters & stories, and to put storylines in order of preference, it would lead me to think a new spine would be comissioned to reflect the characters included. Or I could be completely wrong. Maybe everyone else loves chunky robots and chiselled chins! In reality I'd probably buy this series if it's of similar quality to the Mega Collection. But let's please have an index to both series!!!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 February, 2017, 09:45:08 PM
You already have issue one?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 28 February, 2017, 09:46:45 PM
Just looking at the questionnaire on the website...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tony Angelino on 28 February, 2017, 10:01:51 PM
I haven't followed ABC Warriors in recent years but who or what is the big robot thing with the horns next to Deadlock?

The spine only features characters from 3 different strips. Outrage. Why no Ant Wars?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 February, 2017, 10:05:19 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 28 February, 2017, 09:46:45 PM
Just looking at the questionnaire on the website...
Do you mean the poll? Not sure I'd read too much into that.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 28 February, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
No the questionnaire for readers of issue 1 - the one with the £50 Amazon prize. I reckon they want the feedback. Although judging by the board they just need to reprint Ant Wars every 2 weeks!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 10:37:19 PM
Is the Chris Weston spine art for JDMC anywhere online? Curious at what could have been...

I'm ridiculously excited for this collection. Like, more excited than the Mega Collection made me.
Hoping for some of the more obscure classics to be popped in there.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 28 February, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
The Chris Weston art was a version of prog 1771's cover I think...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R62veHPnAi0/UOdLaAhI9-I/AAAAAAAAGdg/GHWJrEY2JEo/s1600/2012+vote+2b.jpg
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 February, 2017, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 28 February, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
The Chris Weston art was a version of prog 1771's cover I think...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R62veHPnAi0/UOdLaAhI9-I/AAAAAAAAGdg/GHWJrEY2JEo/s1600/2012+vote+2b.jpg

Ahhh, thank you!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 March, 2017, 02:16:06 AM
Quote from: rogue69 on 28 February, 2017, 11:32:08 AM
only thing I'm not keen on with the free gifts is the hipflask.

Obviously their research shows there's a massive secret drinker demographic in the 2000AD fan base.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 March, 2017, 02:19:47 AM


The 40th blew any secret.

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 March, 2017, 02:20:14 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 28 February, 2017, 02:29:09 PM
So combine this with Rebellion's planned reprint schedule for the classic UK comics they have just acquired the rights for and there will literally be no time to sleep it's all looking very promising.

They could solve it all by forgetting the "2000AD collection" and making this new line the "IPC Fleetway collection".
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 01 March, 2017, 09:41:09 AM
Here's the link to the survey: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/FMWVWGR
They ask lots of the right questions I think. They also mention Dark Justice as a possible to include, which would suggest they are definitely not extending the JDMC.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 01 March, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Interesting that the survey is offering a digital edition of the collection as a potential subscription gift - that would certainly be an interesting development for a partwork.

I'm quite glad the Mega Collection isn't apparently getting an extension. This 2000AD collection gives Hachette the flexibility to release titles that could have been part of an extension (Enceladus, Dark Justice, etc) but interspersed with other classics. It's a much wider variety of story.

The only thing that worries me about this is the potential for having to double dip on stories. For example, let's say the Strontium Dog volumes includes the post-Final Solution stories, and then one or two earlier tales. It would mean having to get Agency Files as well. If it is to be an Ultimate Collection, it needs to be very focused on what it is and isn't providing from the start. With such a wide library, I don't want it to go the JDMC route of only announcing volumes when they arrive with subscribers.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 March, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
That's the rub, isn't it? That punt regarding what you're going to get on investing 800 quid. A third of Nikolai Dante, for example, wouldn't really cut it for me, but I'd happily see Sláine stop at Horned God. Many others, I suspect, would vehemently disagree with that line of thinking. I suppose it's impossible to know how patchy such a partwork will be. Certainly, 2000 AD has the potential to be more coherent than, say, Marvel, simply due to having less material to select from. Even so, while 80 volumes can house most of what people would consider the better Dreddworld strips, the same page count will have a tougher job with 'everything else 2000 AD has ever run'. I both do and don't envy Matt Smith in this particular task (assuming he's making the selections again).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: TordelBack on 01 March, 2017, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 March, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
... I'd happily see Sláine stop at Horned God.

There is zero chance that some fraction of the hundreds of pages of lush full-colour Fabry/Power/Staples/Langley Slaine stories will be overlooked in this collection, while there is a reasonable chance that the superior B&W era of the strip will struggle for space. Personally I'll probably be cherry picking again - Stickleback, Shakara, Kingdom and The War Machine.. Yes please!  Hopes of a complete Red Seas or Sinister Dexter are not even to be entertained, sadly.

However, while I really don't need another even-smaller copy of Horned God, those lavish freebies might be enough to lure me into an initial sub. The Rosette of Speyside in particular appeals.

But sort out the spine art please chaps.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: rogue69 on 01 March, 2017, 11:58:40 AM
that robot is Steelhorn who got turned into the mess & got remade back by the plant mars
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Molch-R on 01 March, 2017, 02:14:27 PM
Many thanks to those of you who've dropped me a line about securing copies. Once I have word from Hachette on stock levels we'll work out what we can do.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 01 March, 2017, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 01 March, 2017, 02:14:27 PM
Many thanks to those of you who've dropped me a line about securing copies. Once I have word from Hachette on stock levels we'll work out what we can do.

Good man. Thanks  :)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 01 March, 2017, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 01 March, 2017, 02:16:06 AM
Quote from: rogue69 on 28 February, 2017, 11:32:08 AM
only thing I'm not keen on with the free gifts is the hipflask.

Obviously their research shows there's a massive secret drinker demographic in the 2000AD fan base.

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 March, 2017, 02:19:47 AM


The 40th blew any secret.

:D
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 01 March, 2017, 02:55:53 PM
I've subscribed and filled in the survey.
I think it looks really good and the choices for the first 4 titles are excellent.
It's always a bit of a gamble signing up for something like this. I know I'll be paying for stuff I don't like but the hope is that the good stuff will outweigh the bad - such is life for a 2000ad fan - it's always been that way. There's so much great stuff to collect that this seems like about as safe a bet possible.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 01 March, 2017, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 01 March, 2017, 02:14:27 PM
Many thanks to those of you who've dropped me a line about securing copies. Once I have word from Hachette on stock levels we'll work out what we can do.

Marvellous. Thank you, kind PR Droid.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Bolt-01 on 01 March, 2017, 03:48:01 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 01 March, 2017, 03:39:50 PM
Marvellous. Thank you, kind PR Droid.

There's a 'kind' PR droid? Has anyone warned Molch-R?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 01 March, 2017, 08:29:27 PM
Don't worry, it's only a matter of hours before Molch-R short-circuits him and sells him for scrap.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 01 March, 2017, 08:56:06 PM
That Chris Weston art would looking great for this collection
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Monarch on 01 March, 2017, 08:58:34 PM
i hope if they do eurocrash for this collection they include ALL of it unlike the actual trade and rebellion wondered why no one bought anymore sindex trades....seriously
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 March, 2017, 01:07:56 PM
In anticipation of this becoming a full and proper thing, what are the essential and wished-for stories that should be included? A starter for ten:

Essentials:
Dredd: Judge Whitey, Robot Wars, UnAmerican Graffiti, Pirates of the Black Atlantic, Dark Justice, Enceladus.
Strontium Dog: Portrait of a Mutant, Outlaw, Max Bubba, Rage.
Rogue Trooper: a selection of early stories showcasing the art of Gibbons, Ewins, Wilson, Kennedy and Ortiz. Cinnabar, The War Machine.
All of Nemesis.
Slaine: The Bride of Crom, Sky Chariots.
All of Zenith.
Indigo Prime: Killing Time
Cradlegrave

Wished for:
All of Bix Barton.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 02 March, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Essential:
Bad Company 1&2
All of Luke Kirby
Harry 20 on the high Rock
DR & Quinch
Skizz book 1
Strontium Dog: Bitch & The Rammy
Deadlock (in Nemesis book)
RoboHunter: Beast of Blackheart Manor, Filby Case, Killing of Kid, Football Crazy

Wished for
Absalom.
Big Dave.
Slaughterbowl
Firekind.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Smith on 02 March, 2017, 02:00:56 PM
My wishlist would be something like:
Life and times of Middenface Mcnulty(catchy name?)
Tales from the Black museum
Red Seas
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: TordelBack on 02 March, 2017, 02:27:06 PM
Wow, when people start listing stories you realise what a nightmare planning this series out must be! And I thought that MegaCollection was an editorial head-wrecker! 

Red Seas is what, 750 pages? There's no point running just a bit of that, so that'd be 3 volumes minimum. But Dante is over 2000, so that's what, 7 or 8?  Zenith's about 400, 2 more volumes. So that's a dozen volumes on just three stories. Can't imagine we'll stretch to all that.

But ooooh, complete Caballistics!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Magnetica on 02 March, 2017, 03:46:27 PM
Off the top my head-

Ace Trucking
Calaballistics Inc
The VCs
Glimmer Rats
Sinister Dexter
Halo Jones
Nemesis with colour centre spreads
Slaine
Damnation Station
Robo Hunter Wagner Gibson original only
Grey Area
Kingdom
Junker
Rick Random
Sancho Panzer
Stainless Steel Rat (guessing possible rights issue)
Strontium Dog including Starlord colour spreads
Ten-Seconders
Mind Wars, Time Quake, Holocaust ( if we can have Starlord stuff)
Future shocks

(Ok not Junker)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: BPP on 02 March, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
Lobster Random 1-3 plus The Vort.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Link Prime on 02 March, 2017, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: BPP on 02 March, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
Lobster Random 1-3 plus The Vort.

That'd be a great volume.

I'll be a cherry picker for this, as with The Mega Collection.
The dream of a complete Bix Barton hardback has never been closer.

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 02 March, 2017, 04:00:28 PM
I'd like to see some of the best stuff from the anuuals - text stories, droids favourite covers, how to draw Judge Dredd etc.
Not sure how they'd implement this - probably as back up content in relevant volumes.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 02 March, 2017, 04:41:01 PM
MACH 1
Shako
So many stories - so few volumes!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Davgardo on 02 March, 2017, 04:49:38 PM
This looks really exciting and I hope it gets the go ahead. From my experiences with the mostly brilliant Dredd Collection I hope:

a) they sort out some of the repro problems with the older material.
b) they just put out what they think are the best strips and not have some agenda where they want as big a cross section as possible. The bane of the JD Collection is stuff like Sleaze n Ryder and Calhab Justice getting printed when there are far superior stories out there.

Exciting times. 
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pyroxian on 02 March, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Pages in colour being reprinted in colour, and not in grey-scale / b&w...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Apestrife on 02 March, 2017, 06:07:19 PM
I'm thinking The Trip and Dead end -which were mentioned a while back on the Mega Collection facebook page- are likely to end up in this collection then.

Quote from: TordelBack on 02 March, 2017, 02:27:06 PM
Wow, when people start listing stories you realise what a nightmare planning this series out must be! And I thought that MegaCollection was an editorial head-wrecker! 

Red Seas is what, 750 pages? There's no point running just a bit of that, so that'd be 3 volumes minimum. But Dante is over 2000, so that's what, 7 or 8?  Zenith's about 400, 2 more volumes. So that's a dozen volumes on just three stories. Can't imagine we'll stretch to all that.

But ooooh, complete Caballistics!

Not to mention stories like Stickleback that more or less depends on there being an additional episode in the pipe, in order to top the story of in a way or such.

Love to sit and think and hope what sort of material they'll publish, not to mention how :)

To entertain the idea of Dark Justice getting included. I'm thinking either in a post DOC book (with Wagner stuff) or as a new Death collection that includes it, Deadworld as well as the upcoming Dominion.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 02 March, 2017, 07:00:50 PM
Would love to see
Meltdown man
Stainless steel rat
Mean arena
Harry 20
The dead
Vc's
Diceman
And hopefully no filler
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tony Angelino on 02 March, 2017, 07:05:24 PM
The Complete Michael Fleisher.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 02 March, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Then there are all those Future Shocks, Time Twisters, Terror Tales and 3Rillers - possibly tailor-made fillers rather than stories to be collected.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: moly on 02 March, 2017, 07:00:50 PMAnd hopefully no filler
But one man's filler...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 02 March, 2017, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 02 March, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
RoboHunter: Beast of Blackheart Manor, Filby Case, Killing of Kid, Football Crazy
I suspect there's no chance that Football Crazy would be republished any time soon (the infamous Japanese stereotypes) - my list of Robo-Hunter goes as follows (off the top of my head):
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 02 March, 2017, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 02 March, 2017, 04:00:28 PM
I'd like to see some of the best stuff from the anuuals - text stories, droids favourite covers, how to draw Judge Dredd etc.
Not sure how they'd implement this - probably as back up content in relevant volumes.

The only text story that springs to mind is the one by Neil Gaiman, which obviously has commercial appeal...

McMahon's How to Draw Judge Dredd would make great back-up material, as would Ian Gibson's.  Were there any more?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 02 March, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
Day of the Droids.

The football crazy thing is interesting, I've not been keeping up with the mega collection, not sure if they reprinted Our Man in Hondo, or The Warlord.

Caricatures like the ones in Football Crazy are a lot more obvious.

It's the sort of thing that could be addressed in the volume, how attitudes have changed.

Endurance UK was, what 10 years later, and still had this...

(http://www.ukgameshows.com/p/images/1/17/Endurance_hokikoki.jpg)

I think when Darkie's Mob was reprinted there was an associated text article. But obviously Hachette is potentially a much bigger audience, so who knows?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tjm86 on 02 March, 2017, 08:23:49 PM
On the football crazy front all I can say is 'blakeee pentax!'.

As for the filler stuff, I have to admit the last few months of the mega collection have put me off this.  Much as I'd like to think that this would be great, there has been too much dross in that for my taste. Plus the repro on some of the issues has left a lot to be desired.  Father Earth for instance.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pete Wells on 02 March, 2017, 08:45:13 PM
I know it's creator owned and I already have it in other formats, but I'd like to see a nice, hardback Button man.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 09:46:23 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 02 March, 2017, 08:45:13 PM
I know it's creator owned and I already have it in other formats, but I'd like to see a nice, hardback Button man.

That would be absolutely brilliant. Still vividly remember the first series when i'd first started reading 2000AD. Some of the Ranson art takes me back to my teenage years.

That cover with Harry in the target would make a lovely cover for a hardback.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Monarch on 03 March, 2017, 03:42:51 AM
essential (to me discounting obvious long runners like nemesis, dante, stront ect

invasion
harry 20
vcs (old and new)
sinister dexter (know it counts as long runner but it would be nice to have it all in one place)
Red seas (same)
leviathan

wish for

canon fodder (because of course i want it in hardback :P)
Tyranny rex
time house
a book of tharg strips (is there enough?)

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Smith on 03 March, 2017, 07:28:33 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 03 March, 2017, 03:42:51 AM
a book of tharg strips (is there enough?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tharg_the_Mighty#Comic_strips (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tharg_the_Mighty#Comic_strips)
I think its probably enough for a volume or two.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 08:54:26 AM
Is this out now?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 March, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 08:54:26 AM
Is this out now?

Don't believe so.
It's being released in some selected test areas around the country.
Don't think it's actually in those areas yet but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 03 March, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Has anyone heard confirmation of subscription yet? It said 3 days, but I've got nothing yet haha
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mardroid on 03 March, 2017, 02:17:33 PM
I wasn't sure we even could subscribe yet, considering Molch-r's posts. I know there's a link on-site, where we can enter details, but I wonder if they're taking the information there yet. Response messages are easily automated.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 March, 2017, 02:58:09 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 03 March, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Has anyone heard confirmation of subscription yet? It said 3 days, but I've got nothing yet haha

I received confirmation twice. Once on originally subscribing and then a further email just now with a subscription number.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 03 March, 2017, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 03 March, 2017, 02:58:09 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 03 March, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Has anyone heard confirmation of subscription yet? It said 3 days, but I've got nothing yet haha

I received confirmation twice. Once on originally subscribing and then a further email just now with a subscription number.

Yeah I literally just got the same thing, confirming what comes with what delivery and prices etc + giving me a subscriber number. Exciting times now
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: aceface11 on 04 March, 2017, 10:21:50 AM
Echo the comments about the spine artwork. It doesn't really feel encompassing like the Mega Collection. Needs far more characters and change of colour palette!

Also want Canon Fodder...  😅

How about a collection of Vector 13/with Black Light
Finn
Harlem Heroes (would that make me unpopular?!)
Mazeworld
Bad Company is a must

Matt
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: NapalmKev on 04 March, 2017, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: aceface11 on 04 March, 2017, 10:21:50 AM

Also want Canon Fodder...  😅

How about a collection of Vector 13
Finn
Mazeworld
Bad Company is a must



Hell yeah! But I think we're straying into wishful thinking territory. Most of the collection will probably be swallowed up by Dante and Slaine which, while exceedingly popular, are not exactly my favorite's.

While I'm here I'll repeat my desire for the 'Summer Offensive (or at least some of it) to appear in the collection.

Cheers
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Trent on 04 March, 2017, 11:23:49 AM
I think this is the problem with such a collection. It seems inevitable that Dante, Slaine, Rogue Trooper, Strontium Dog and ABC Warriors/Robusters/Nemesis will absorb a large proportion of the 80 volumes.
Halo Jones was always going to get an early debut and Shakara is a neat choice for volume 3.
Just hope there is enough room for some of the stories other boarders have mentioned but clearly this is a collection that could happily run way beyond 80 volumes without any drop in quality. The only issue there is the likelihood that complete runs may be split between the core set and any extension. Getting ahead of myself anyway.

Have subscribed even though I have most 2000AD reprints I could want, just to see the quality and gifts for what is only a trial run after all.

Agree re spine art in that it is both inadequate and lopsided.

Not sure re inclusion of Dredd but it might be an opportunity to cover newer stories such as Dark Justice and use Dredd as the back up in volumes to fill out the page count. Might give the opportunity to include some of the glaring omissions from his own collection. Not sure I like the idea of rifling through dozens of volumes to track down the odd story mind. Far more likely to restrict Dredd and use Future Shocks etc as filler.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 04 March, 2017, 11:28:04 AM
Think they should try and not have more than 3 or4 issues with the same character, this is a great opportunity to have stuff in hardback that would never come out, hope they do meltdown man
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 04 March, 2017, 01:19:30 PM
It would be wrong to have no Dredd at all in a collection of 2000AD stories. Not everyone who collects this series will also have collected the Dredd series. So he should be represented in a volume or two (not necessarily a whole one), just not with stories that have appeared already in the Mega-Collection.

Of course major series like Slaine and Rogue Trooper will be featured heavily, but I hope there is also rom for some of the more obscure ones which are still of good quality, like Firekind or The Dead for example.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: walrus on 04 March, 2017, 05:06:59 PM
Yeah, I would like to see Firekind and The Dead in this collection. There are a lot of stories of this kind which could give the collection plenty of variety and provide a far better overview of the history of the comic.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Leigh S on 04 March, 2017, 05:31:30 PM
I would assume the "major" series are going to get a sampler approach, so they dont overlap with the Rebellion reprints and may even encourage crossover sales of the Rebellion line, or indeed the prog if they include stories still on-going such as Kingdom etc.  I suspect we will see something similar to the Mega-Collection, where stories we might not otherwise have expected turn up and there is a biase towards colour/ newer stories
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 March, 2017, 05:48:58 PM
If they do follow a position similar to the Marvel comics in that regard, I do hope the 2000 AD Collection is better at dealing with synopses. That's been one of the few weaknesses of the Dredd books – in the Anderson volumes, you leap forwards a big way, without no indication of what's happened in-between. (Shimura had a similar problem, and there the books only made sense when you had both and flipped back and forth between them.)

The potted history would be great for lapsed readers, but I'm not sure I'd go for a subscription if that was how it turned out. Double-dipping for a complete hardback run of Nikolai Dante is a no-brainer. Double-dipping for a third of the story (say) doesn't really appeal. Hrng. I'm still very tempted by this whole thing, mind.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dash Decent on 05 March, 2017, 06:04:52 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 04 March, 2017, 05:31:30 PM
I would assume the "major" series are going to get a sampler approach, so they dont overlap with the Rebellion reprints and may even encourage crossover sales of the Rebellion line

I hope so, but my feeling about the JD mega collection is that it has largely reprinted a host of trades I already have and I feel the new 2000AD collection will do the same.  The material is already scanned, prepped, grouped etc.  I know there a tweaks and twists, but every time there's a volume like "America", "Heavy Metal Dredd", "PJ Maybe" etc I have to tell myself this series is for people who haven't already been collecting the trades.

I'd love to hear that the 2000AD collection will bring out other material but I think it's going to be the same  - here's Halo Jones, here's Robohunter, here's DR & Quinch, here's Kingdom etc.  I'd be more excited if each volume had a mix of different stories, like a hard cover prog (or like an Annual, in fact!) but there's no way to make that work if they want to include complete stories, which I'm sure they do.

The free gifts are a little tempting, though I'm more tempted by the survey's suggestion of offering figurines with the books.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: matty_ae on 05 March, 2017, 08:51:53 AM
I just hope they finally reprint Bolland's "Dark Judges'
That stuff never gets an outing.

8-)


Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 05 March, 2017, 06:14:36 PM
Reprinting the Bolland Moon material with Darkside & other moon stories was a bit inspired. Hopefully this series can pack out volumes with suitable time-twisters & future shocks to make these collection fresh. I'd love to see the Steve Yeowell/Gaiman future shock with zenith...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 06 March, 2017, 12:22:21 AM
Stevie, for one, would be chuffed with a Compleat Smithverse - ie all of Indigo Prime, Tyranny Rex plus Fervent & Lobe, given the scattershot appearances of the stories  across the progs, Sci Fi Specials, Winter Specials & the Yearbooks
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Rately on 06 March, 2017, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 06 March, 2017, 12:22:21 AM
Stevie, for one, would be chuffed with a Compleat Smithverse - ie all of Indigo Prime, Tyranny Rex plus Fervent & Lobe, given the scattershot appearances of the stories  across the progs, Sci Fi Specials, Winter Specials & the Yearbooks

I'll second that.

Would love to have all of the above in lovely hardbacks.

Really hoping that the volumes start shipping soon as i'll finally get to read The Horned God, and get to finally see what all the fuss is about this Bisley fella!  ;)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Trent on 06 March, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
Tis indeed bizarre. I have the hardback full size edition of The Horned God but am STILL looking forward to seeing ths version.
I think I am just an obsessive collector and love the idea of things steadily building up into a complete whole.
Makes me a sucker for partworks unfortunately.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Rately on 06 March, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: Trent on 06 March, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
Tis indeed bizarre. I have the hardback full size edition of The Horned God but am STILL looking forward to seeing ths version.
I think I am just an obsessive collector and love the idea of things steadily building up into a complete whole.
Makes me a sucker for partworks unfortunately.

Obsessive indeed. I can't abide having missing issues, and even as a digital reader now, I still can't resist picking up old 2000AD progs in local fleamarkets.

I missed out on the JDMC partworks, which is now costing me an arm and a leg to put right, so I'm all over the 2000AD collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 06 March, 2017, 03:31:31 PM
I have a complete set of Case Files and Restricted Files, so collecting the Mega-Collection didn't appeal to me. But I did take the opportunity to replace my old volume of The Complete PJ Maybe with the more up to date volume from the Mega-Collection which contains the more recent stories.

I won't collect the new Hachette collection, but I'll still keep an eye on what comes out in case there's anything I want as a one-off purchase.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Trent on 06 March, 2017, 04:34:19 PM
Richard, you are a man of discernment and impressive self control. What are you doing around here?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 06 March, 2017, 04:46:37 PM
I wandered in here by mistake and couldn't find my way out.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Trent on 06 March, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
I think there's a lot of that about.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 06 March, 2017, 10:39:59 PM
This collection could be a way of getting complete reprints of stories that were previously missing their endings in trade format, such as 'Caballistics Inc' or 'Atavar'.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Smith on 07 March, 2017, 05:46:40 AM
Same problem as a lot of people here-I have a lot of the material already in different collections.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Trent on 07 March, 2017, 09:35:52 AM
A lot depends on how series break down into 180 to 200 page chunks. Caballistics doesn't quite do 2 volumes so perhaps with back up stories but not great. Absalom would fit nearly a volume etc.
Atavar is 132 pages so something else would be needed.
Be interesting to see how they approach it with regards shorter/split series in volumes which Rebellion have happily just issued in thinner trades.
Kingdom could be good as the Hachette volumes would likely have 3 stories each rather than the 2 per trade currently and the recent 60 to 65 page run of stories in the prog with new stories every 12 issues or so may work well for the collection with 3 'books' per volume.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pyroxian on 07 March, 2017, 09:53:06 AM
Can I put a vote in for a Dice-man volume please :)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 07 March, 2017, 03:09:36 PM
I'd love to see the Diceman material - those 5 issues were great!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JLC on 07 March, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
Has anyone actually seen these elusive tomes?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 07 March, 2017, 08:36:33 PM
Someone picked Slaine up on ebay.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JLC on 07 March, 2017, 09:08:52 PM
Oh...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 07 March, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17156183_10154273177352201_5485612301637861104_n.jpg?oh=5049f1df45e7da0bc58b1862079ca373&oe=5966DFBC)

Says it's lovely looking.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 07 March, 2017, 10:28:10 PM
The actual book appears nicer than the website makes it look
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 07 March, 2017, 10:56:47 PM
That looks gorgeous!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: dazallen on 08 March, 2017, 12:50:43 AM
Well it is obviously out, but does anyone have any idea of the test area?

Having been lucky to be in the right area for the Dredd trial, it was too much to hope that they would test this one here as well >:(
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Skullmo on 08 March, 2017, 01:08:26 AM
Subscribed - a diceman book would be good
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 14 March, 2017, 12:45:15 PM
Anyone encountered these on sale yet?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: NapalmKev on 14 March, 2017, 12:46:39 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 14 March, 2017, 12:45:15 PM
Anyone encountered these on sale yet?

Not in the Southwest. Or if they are I haven't seen them.

Cheers
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: deanomoon on 14 March, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
They have got them in Liverpool and surrounding areas I got mine in bootle👍👍
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: CalHab on 15 March, 2017, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: deanomoon on 14 March, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
They have got them in Liverpool and surrounding areas I got mine in bootle👍👍

Quote from: Molch-R on 27 February, 2017, 06:03:27 PM
We appreciate every fan's interest in ensuring these tests are successful - WE want them to be successful too, but we also appreciate Hachette's concerns that people rushing into the test areas and bulk buying copies will skew their numbers and could put the viability of a national launch at risk. We and Hachette don't publicise these tests for that very reason.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: deanomoon on 15 March, 2017, 09:03:33 AM
Quote from: CalHab on 15 March, 2017, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: deanomoon on 14 March, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
They have got them in Liverpool and surrounding areas I got mine in bootle👍👍

Quote from: Molch-R on 27 February, 2017, 06:03:27 PM
We appreciate every fan's interest in ensuring these tests are successful - WE want them to be successful too, but we also appreciate Hachette's concerns that people rushing into the test areas and bulk buying copies will skew their numbers and could put the viability of a national launch at risk. We and Hachette don't publicise these tests for that very reason.

I don't work for hachatte so I can post what I want and I can't imagine everyone traveling all over England to Liverpool to buy a £1.99 book🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: jabish on 15 March, 2017, 09:23:40 AM
It'd be great to have a John Smith collection with Firekind, A love like blood, Cradlegrave and Slaughter bowl under one cover.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Rately on 15 March, 2017, 09:47:10 AM
Quote from: jabish on 15 March, 2017, 09:23:40 AM
It'd be great to have a John Smith collection with Firekind, A love like blood, Cradlegrave and Slaughter bowl under one cover.

I loved Cradlegrave. Picked it up during a FP sale.

Has there ever been a sequel to the original?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 15 March, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
Beginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...

Currently got my family on high alert for local newsagents to try and snag it! Ha  :lol:
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Rately on 15 March, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 15 March, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
Beginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...

Currently got my family on high alert for local newsagents to try and snag it! Ha  :lol:

Had a wee nosey in the local Easons today in Belfast. No luck.

I'm really looking forward to arriving home some evening and finding them in the letterbox!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 March, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: Rately on 15 March, 2017, 09:47:10 AMI loved Cradlegrave. Picked it up during a FP sale. Has there ever been a sequel to the original?
Nope. John Smith's hardly the fastest of writers, sadly.

Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 15 March, 2017, 10:36:39 AMBeginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...
There's some possibility they won't, or they'll only send the first book. I recall one of these partworks (possibly Transformers) ended up with subs getting letters very rapidly that the entire test thing was done and they'd be contacted if and when it went to full series.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 15 March, 2017, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 15 March, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: Rately on 15 March, 2017, 09:47:10 AMI loved Cradlegrave. Picked it up during a FP sale. Has there ever been a sequel to the original?
Nope. John Smith's hardly the fastest of writers, sadly.

Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 15 March, 2017, 10:36:39 AMBeginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...
There's some possibility they won't, or they'll only send the first book. I recall one of these partworks (possibly Transformers) ended up with subs getting letters very rapidly that the entire test thing was done and they'd be contacted if and when it went to full series.

That would be a shame. Here's hoping that's not the case.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Rately on 15 March, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 15 March, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: Rately on 15 March, 2017, 09:47:10 AMI loved Cradlegrave. Picked it up during a FP sale. Has there ever been a sequel to the original?
Nope. John Smith's hardly the fastest of writers, sadly.

Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 15 March, 2017, 10:36:39 AMBeginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...
There's some possibility they won't, or they'll only send the first book. I recall one of these partworks (possibly Transformers) ended up with subs getting letters very rapidly that the entire test thing was done and they'd be contacted if and when it went to full series.

Cheers for the reply.

Hopefully he will get around to a sequel. John's stuff is fantastic.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 23 March, 2017, 12:11:07 AM
A friend of mine picked up the Slaine book in his local newsagents the other day and posted it on to me after he read it, and it's a thing of beauty. Honest to god, I really hope this collection goes national - perhaps mores than the Dredd collection. An 80-book library of stories of this calibre would truly be a sight to behold. And the actual quality of the book is top-notch.

Overall, really looking forward to getting my hands on the rest of the test issues, and then - hopefully - the national release.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: iutley on 23 March, 2017, 11:44:01 AM
Sadly for everyone looking forward to getting the test editions it looks like IndigoPrime is right. I tried adding my subscriber code to my online Hachette account this morning and kept getting an error message. An instant message window popped up after the 2nd attempt and I had a very pleasant chat with a guy from Hachette called Vincent.
Apparently my subscriber code isn't a subscriber code at all - it's for a one off purchase code that only applies to one book. There is no 2000AD collection at this point and so it is not possible to subscribe to it. Incidentally, the contact email in the subscription email doesn't exist either!
Time for everyone to get their fingers crossed for a full national launch!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: James Stacey on 23 March, 2017, 12:54:37 PM
This was the same procedure they went with for the Dredd test run. I tried adding my subs code then and it wouldnt have it
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 23 March, 2017, 06:58:07 PM
I remember being sent the first 3 volumes of the Dredd test run and not being charged when I subscribed last time. Really hope this series goes ahead when the MegaCollection ends.
Title: New Hachette tests
Post by: All-Comic.com on 25 March, 2017, 04:25:55 PM
I am so in. I've been getting the Mega Collection from day one, all the way to Canada. So I so want more 2000 AD hardcovers!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Michael Knight on 25 March, 2017, 06:31:37 PM
I just know I'm going to end up buying this if it gets a national run.
Fair play to Rebellion and all the 2000ad crew. A few years back I subscribed to prog and meg as stockists were getting harder and harder to find. Now we not only have a successful Dredd part work going  strong around the world but the possibility of a 2000ad part work launching as well? Wow I mean truly WOW!
Can we dream of a Dredd/2000ad character figurine collection too?
Please Tharg the mighty! Make it happen!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: opaque on 27 March, 2017, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 05 March, 2017, 06:04:52 AM
I would assume the "major" series are going to get a sampler approach, so they dont overlap with the Rebellion reprints and may even encourage crossover sales of the Rebellion line

I hope so, but my feeling about the JD mega collection is that it has largely reprinted a host of trades I already have and I feel the new 2000AD collection will do the same.  The material is already scanned, prepped, grouped etc.  I know there a tweaks and twists, but every time there's a volume like "America", "Heavy Metal Dredd", "PJ Maybe" etc I have to tell myself this series is for people who haven't already been collecting the trades.
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I'm not buying the normal trades now because I can't afford to get the Megacollection as well.
I'd rather get things I don't already have than the 4th or 5th edition of the same thing.
This could be a great way of getting some things that haven't come out before but you might have to wait a couple of years for that. Most will surely be just the big stories again.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JUDGE BURNS on 27 March, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
I'm still awaiting delivery of my first issues   :-(   wonder when ( or if ) they will arrive.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 28 March, 2017, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 27 March, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
I'm still awaiting delivery of my first issues   :-(   wonder when ( or if ) they will arrive.

I have a feeling they won't at this point, honestly.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 March, 2017, 05:55:40 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 28 March, 2017, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 27 March, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
I'm still awaiting delivery of my first issues   :-(   wonder when ( or if ) they will arrive.

I have a feeling they won't at this point, honestly.

Yep, me too.
Subbed but not expecting anything.
Just hoping that my willingness to sub will be enough, along with everyone else, to go ahead.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Michael Knight on 28 March, 2017, 07:08:53 PM
Has anyone received these yet, as curiously they are on sale via ebay from various newsagents?????
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: matty_ae on 31 March, 2017, 11:24:08 AM
Is it likely that Hachette finish their store trial before dealing with subscribers?

So they print 3,000 test run of each of the four initial books Slaine / Halo / Shakara / Stornt
They continue to re-supply newsagents that sell out to work out capacity.

Then after the test, use all returns/unsupplied for the initial subscribers really just to keep them sweet knowing they will all have to be re-supplied when it goes live in Jan 18?

Just my theory.

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 01 April, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
I couldn't wait any longer and in a fit of excitement bought the first three issues on ebay, and now have The Horned God and Halo Jones in front of me. THG is accompanied by a poster of Dredd, Alpha and Slaine by Brian Bolland. The promotional blurb lists future inclusions of ABC Warriors, Nemesis, Nikolai Dante, Rogue, Dredd, Durham Red, DR & Quinch, Ace Garp and Zombo.

The books themselves are the same size as the Mega Collection, just issue number, tooth logo and Clint Langley's art on the spine. THG is volume 32 and HJ 46. There are red endpapers as with the MC, intro by Matt Smith and story so far summaries. The title pages have images from the strips as opposed to the red on black style of the MC. No cover galleries to speak of in these volumes but there are articles by Stephen Jewell.

Any questions, fire away....
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: vark on 01 April, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
If someone can point me to a place on the internet where I can order the Slaine Horned God from France, it will make my day!
Also if someone is willing to take a copy for me at a newsstand to send it abroad don't hesitate to PM me!
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dash Decent on 02 April, 2017, 07:55:29 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 01 April, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
THG is accompanied by a poster of Dredd, Alpha and Slaine by Brian Bolland.

Is it something new drawn specifically for this or a reprint?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 April, 2017, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 02 April, 2017, 07:55:29 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 01 April, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
THG is accompanied by a poster of Dredd, Alpha and Slaine by Brian Bolland.

Is it something new drawn specifically for this or a reprint?

Looked it up and it's the cover of prog 1924.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: NapalmKev on 02 April, 2017, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 01 April, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
The promotional blurb lists future inclusions of Durham Red, DR & Quinch, Ace Garp...


Oh dear! I realise these strips have their fans and that these are old-school Thrills but still. I suspect the whole collection is going to be swallowed up by a lot of things I don't like.

My dream of Summer Offensive Hardbacks will (probably) never happen.

Cheers
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Swerty on 02 April, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
Quote from: vark on 01 April, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
If someone can point me to a place on the internet where I can order the Slaine Horned God from France, it will make my day!
Also if someone is willing to take a copy for me at a newsstand to send it abroad don't hesitate to PM me!
Thanks in advance.

Search 2000ad ultimate collection on eBay uk
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: vark on 02 April, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 02 April, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
Quote from: vark on 01 April, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
If someone can point me to a place on the internet where I can order the Slaine Horned God from France, it will make my day!
Also if someone is willing to take a copy for me at a newsstand to send it abroad don't hesitate to PM me!
Thanks in advance.

Search 2000ad ultimate collection on eBay uk
Thanks for the tip, I had searched ebay.uk yesterday lacking the word "ultimate"!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 02 April, 2017, 12:46:58 PM
Checking my confirmation email from hatchette these should start to be sent out next week hopefully
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 12 April, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
I now have reason to believe we won't be officially receiving any books. Signing up for a subscription seems, in this case, to be more a registration of interest rather than an actual contract of payment/receipt of goods. That's not to say Hachette won't throw us a bone and send each of us a book or two from the test as thanks, but I don't think we're going to be receiving our subscriptions.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: terryworld on 13 April, 2017, 04:27:51 AM
if anybody managed to pick up one of these "in the wild" or via ebay, can you pls do me a favour?
flip it over and have a look at the back. is there an australian price printed on it?
cheers!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Swerty on 13 April, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
No
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 13 April, 2017, 10:00:38 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 13 April, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
No

ISRC the cover design hasn't been finalized with the test volumes...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: terryworld on 13 April, 2017, 10:48:58 AM
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 13 April, 2017, 10:00:38 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 13 April, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
No

ISRC the cover design hasn't been finalized with the test volumes...

fingers crossed, eh stevie?
PS: where did you get your carlos cover 40th special? LCS or thrill-merchant?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 13 April, 2017, 10:55:11 AM
Adelaide Comics Centre (http://www.adelaidecomicscentre.com/) Terry.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: matty_ae on 13 April, 2017, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 12 April, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
I now have reason to believe we won't be officially receiving any books. Signing up for a subscription seems, in this case, to be more a registration of interest rather than an actual contract of payment/receipt of goods. That's not to say Hachette won't throw us a bone and send each of us a book or two from the test as thanks, but I don't think we're going to be receiving our subscriptions.

No reason to think that JaHawk. This is exactly the same process the Dredd release went through. They released 4 books and it went very quiet. These collections always start in January so it was only ever going to be Jan 2018 anyway. Keep the faith.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 April, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
Some possibly inaccurate maths also suggests the current one ends on Jan 31, 2018, and so kicking off the new one in January would make sense. (A little bit of overlap to snare readers, but not so much that they feel it's too much expense to get both.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 April, 2017, 09:40:24 PM
Got hold of issue 4, Strontium Dog: The Kreeler Conspiracy today, which includes a note stating this is the end of the test run and a free gift or refund is available if proof of purchase is sent. The cardboard backing states that issue 5 will be Dark Justice, so fingers crossed this will become a full thing.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: matty_ae on 24 April, 2017, 10:34:49 PM
Is that a B&W story? Did they put in some colour stories as well?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 April, 2017, 11:12:23 PM
Kreeler Conspiracy is the first 'reboot' S/D tale and is in full colour.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 25 April, 2017, 07:09:28 AM
The volume also includes Blood Moon and The Headly Foot Job, both in colour too.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 April, 2017, 09:13:40 AM
Interesting, since that skips over Roadhouse and Tax Dodge, along with a couple of other tales. I'm still very tempted by this collection if it happens, but wondering how 'complete' certain series are going to be (rather than having two copies of Strontium Dog, etc., on the creaking living room shelves.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 25 April, 2017, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 April, 2017, 09:13:40 AM
Interesting, since that skips over Roadhouse and Tax Dodge, along with a couple of other tales. I'm still very tempted by this collection if it happens, but wondering how 'complete' certain series are going to be (rather than having two copies of Strontium Dog, etc., on the creaking living room shelves.
I seriously doubt it's going to be Complete for each character. Sounds like they have cherry-picked a SD jumping on point. There will be even more questions for the FB page with this collection than with the JDMC!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Monarch on 26 April, 2017, 02:21:31 PM
cherry picking would be a good way to go...hell could that get me a hardcover canon fod....nah never happen not in a millions years
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mardroid on 26 April, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
I still plan on getting all the JD books, but i think I'll cherry pick with this collection too, should it be published mainstream. I've all the Strontium Dog books ( minus the very latest) so i don't really want to double dip.

On the other hand I have only a few Dredd case file so happy to go the Hatchette for his stuff.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Swerty on 27 April, 2017, 12:05:43 AM
Be nice to see a few rare deleted titles get a reprint in this collection like Savage or Invasion!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 29 April, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
Well, that was a pleasant surprise.
This morning I had a large, heavy package delivered and within contained the first 4 issues of the Ultimate Collection.
A letter explaining that the series has been paused whilst they decide whether to continue or not at a later date and thanking me for my interest.
As a thank you they included the first 4 issues for which I have not been charged for.
What lovely fellows!  :D
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: rogue69 on 29 April, 2017, 09:29:24 AM
just got my copies this morning along with a letter saying about the run being paused, I hope they look at the internet pre orders as well as the shop sells & restart it soon
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 29 April, 2017, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: rogue69 on 29 April, 2017, 09:29:24 AM
just got my copies this morning along with a letter saying about the run being paused, I hope they look at the internet pre orders as well as the shop sells & restart it soon

Me too.
This was my first look at the books and they are very, very nice.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 29 April, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
Me too. Four books and a lovely big poster! I'm really impressed with the quality.
Here are some pics for anyone who's interested:


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 29 April, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Argh waiting for my postman to turn up now fingers crossed
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Geoff on 29 April, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
I just collected mine from the Post Office, what nice surprise! Books are lovely and great customer service.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 29 April, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Received mine,  very impressed with the quality they just need to chase the spine image, can't wait to they hopefully start the full run
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Geoff on 29 April, 2017, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: moly on 29 April, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Received mine,  very impressed with the quality they just need to chase the spine image, can't wait to they hopefully start the full run

I'd agree about the spine art, what about Chris Weston, Staples, Flint or Tom Foster....
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 29 April, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
I received the first four today as well. They look great and I'm amazed they haven't increased the price. At ten pounds these are amazing value. I love the endpapers & text pieces. The front design is a bit generic - I miss the bold b&w covers of the mega collection. I'm guessing colour covers sell better? I'd like to hear a guarantee that there's no overlap with the previous collection - I really don't need another Apocalypse War or Cursed Earth!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: walrus on 29 April, 2017, 03:10:57 PM
I had mine turn up today. I only got three though, no Slaine one so no poster.

They do look good though. Hope it makes it to a complete run.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 01 May, 2017, 04:42:20 PM
The shakara volume did it include the complete story? Think this would be a great way for a lot of stuff to be done in hardback that otherwise wouldn't happen
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 May, 2017, 08:23:34 AM
Quote from: moly on 01 May, 2017, 04:42:20 PM
The shakara volume did it include the complete story? Think this would be a great way for a lot of stuff to be done in hardback that otherwise wouldn't happen

The Shakara volume includes:
Book 1 from progs 2002 & 1273-1279
Book 2 The Assassin from progs 1441-1449
Book 3 The Defiant from progs 2008 & 1567-1573
Future Shock: Multiplicity from Megazine 339

So that leaves Destroyer and Avenger which look as if they'll be enough for another volume if the full series goes ahead.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 May, 2017, 10:04:38 AM
It also showcases one thing that's of interest: are these books a mite skinnier than the Dredd ones? (You're talking about 150 pages of strip for the first three books. The second more or less matches that. So this looks like a straight swap for the existing trades, rather than 'combining' multiple trades into one. It also makes me wonder even more about the longer thrills – I can't see, for example, an 80-volume set spending 10 or so on Nikolai Dante.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 May, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Interesting point. I haven't done a page count but the Shakara volume is bulked out with character sketches, covers etc.

Total strip page count for The Horned God and Halo Jones are 187 and 199 respectively so the full volumes come in at around the 200 mark.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 May, 2017, 02:45:46 PM
That aligns them with the thinner Dredd volumes and thicker Marvel ones, IIRC. 2000 AD likely a higher risk, but it does point to a future where I think I'll cherry pick if it does go to full series this time.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Skullmo on 02 May, 2017, 11:49:16 PM
The Shakara book has the same content as avenger plus a future shock. A bit disappointing as I thought it would be a one volume version.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Rately on 03 May, 2017, 10:10:54 AM
I picked up a box at Post Office yesterday, and found the four volumes inside. Lovely stuff.

Only really had a read of Slaine, which i've only seen bits and pieces of over the years, but looking forward to having a read of Shakara.

Amazing customer service, and fingers are crossed that they go ahead with the collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 May, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
 signed up for this at the beginning and I've had nothing - not even an e-mail
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 04 May, 2017, 08:02:11 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 May, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
signed up for this at the beginning and I've had nothing - not even an e-mail

I got the email pretty much immediately upon signing up.
Sounds like something went wrong for you.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: aceface11 on 04 May, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
And weirdly (despite signing-up about a week ago), I just received a direct debit instruction for my subscription.

Matt
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dandontdare on 04 May, 2017, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 04 May, 2017, 08:02:11 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 May, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
signed up for this at the beginning and I've had nothing - not even an e-mail

I got the email pretty much immediately upon signing up.
Sounds like something went wrong for you.

Sorry, I meant since the original acknowledgement e-mail on 3rd March I've had nothing. I thought that this was a test-subscription and books and gifts were not actually going to be sent out, but were physically available in a few areas? I'm confused as to how this all works
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 May, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
If it's anything like previous partworks, the subs pages are in part there to test the waters, and you're unlikely to be charged anything. _Sometimes_ (as has been the case here), you'll get the books, for no charge.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dandontdare on 04 May, 2017, 04:42:54 PM
ah, I see - well I've not been charged ( :thumbsup:) but I've not had any goodies ( :thumbsdown:).

Let's hope there was enough demand for a full roll-out.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 04 May, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
So if there's 80 more 2000ad books how would you guess they'd be split up?
I'm guessing...
Dredd 10
Strontium Dog 6
Rogue Trooper 5
Slaine 5
Nemesis 4
ABC Warriors 3
Nikolai Dante 4
RoboHunter 2
Durham Red 2
Bad Company 2
Judge Anderson 2
Halo Jones 1
Shakara 2
Lawless 1
Zenith 2
Red Seas 2
Absalom 1
Indigo Prime 1
DR & Quinch 1
Skizz 1
Harry Twenty 1
Stickleback 2
Leviathan 1
Luke Kirby 1
Sinister Dexter 2
Kingdom 2
Age of the Wolf 1
Savage 2
The VCs 1
Scarlet Traces 2
Movie Dredd 1
Button Man 2
Firekind 1
Tyranny Rex 1
Bradley 1
Harlem Heroes 1
Armoured Gideon 1
Defoe 2
Mazeworld 1
Dan Dare 1
What obvious stuff have I missed?

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 May, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
I'd be surprised if Dare's in there, given the inherent costs involved. If these books are indeed skinny and Bradley gets an entire volume, they need to cut down on Matt Smith's lunchtime beer allocation.

In general, it's odd, though: how will Nikolai Dante work with half the story removed? It'll end up more like the Marvel partwork, which was oddly unsatisfying at times (and will require some serious work in terms of synopses).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 04 May, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
In the spirit of the MegaCollection there must be a few WTF choices that justify the 'unreprinted before' tag.
I'd like a Junker volume but I suspect I'm alone on that. I reckon colour stuff will be prioritized as in the previous collection.
I'd add Hewligan's Haircut into the list.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dandontdare on 04 May, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
I spoke too soon .... came home to find four books and a nice note saying there's no charge.

Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!  :D
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 May, 2017, 01:58:27 AM
I would suggest there'll be a maximum of 5 Dredd and 0 Anderson volumes given they've just had 80 to play with :-) I think more Nicolai Dante, you can never have enough Strontium Dog, and out of left field, Return to Armageddon.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Monarch on 05 May, 2017, 02:36:55 AM
I said it earlier in this thread and i will say it again

Make canon fodder into one. Use some other wonderful chris weston drawn fs and one offs to pad it out. Please!!!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 05 May, 2017, 04:06:49 AM
Good recent Dredd not in MegaCollection...
Dark Justice, Every Empire Falls, The Cop, Block Judge, Enceladus, Dead Zone & Movie Stuff.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Swerty on 05 May, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
How long did it take for the Mega Collction to appear after the initial test run.Was it about 4 months?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 05 May, 2017, 10:20:10 PM
Does the volume with The Cop include the prequel, Served Cold?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 06 May, 2017, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 05 May, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
How long did it take for the Mega Collction to appear after the initial test run.Was it about 4 months?

They usually trial these thing in the spring and then release them early the next year.
That seems to be my recollection of the mega collection and the build an R2-D2.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Magnetica on 06 May, 2017, 09:59:03 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 04 May, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
So if there's 80 more 2000ad books how would you guess they'd be split up?
I'm guessing...
Dredd 10
Strontium Dog 6
Rogue Trooper 5
Slaine 5
Nemesis 4
ABC Warriors 3
Nikolai Dante 4
RoboHunter 2
Durham Red 2
Bad Company 2
Judge Anderson 2
Halo Jones 1
Shakara 2
Lawless 1
Zenith 2
Red Seas 2
Absalom 1
Indigo Prime 1
DR & Quinch 1
Skizz 1
Harry Twenty 1
Stickleback 2
Leviathan 1
Luke Kirby 1
Sinister Dexter 2
Kingdom 2
Age of the Wolf 1
Savage 2
The VCs 1
Scarlet Traces 2
Movie Dredd 1
Button Man 2
Firekind 1
Tyranny Rex 1
Bradley 1
Harlem Heroes 1
Armoured Gideon 1
Defoe 2
Mazeworld 1
Dan Dare 1
What obvious stuff have I missed?

So I think this highlights what will be a big problem for me - you are only going to get a small proportion of most series. Of those that I want to re-read, I would rather get the whole lot. So Rebellion trades may well be a better bet (for me).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 06 May, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 04 May, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
In the spirit of the MegaCollection there must be a few WTF choices that justify the 'unreprinted before' tag.
I'd like a Junker volume but I suspect I'm alone on that. I reckon colour stuff will be prioritized as in the previous collection.
I'd add Hewligan's Haircut into the list.

Hewligan's Haircut has been reprinted - I have a copy with a hole in the cover, and I'm sure I've seen a more standard collected edition as well.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 06 May, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 06 May, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 04 May, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
In the spirit of the MegaCollection there must be a few WTF choices that justify the 'unreprinted before' tag.
I'd like a Junker volume but I suspect I'm alone on that. I reckon colour stuff will be prioritized as in the previous collection.
I'd add Hewligan's Haircut into the list.

Hewligan's Haircut has been reprinted - I have a copy with a hole in the cover, and I'm sure I've seen a more standard collected edition as well.

In fact, three times in all:
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 07 May, 2017, 09:58:31 AM
I've enjoyed Hewligans Haircut in it's many versions. I meant add it to the list of likely 2000ad Ultimate collection volumes. Would Sooner or Later make a suitable back up strip?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 May, 2017, 01:39:41 PM
It's certainly somewhat similar in tone – plus the sequel had Hewlett on art duties, replacing Brendan McCarthy. But even all of those there series together leave a book at under 100 pages. So there's scope to add more oddball humour series to a single volume.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: DarkDaysBish-OP on 07 May, 2017, 02:28:53 PM
Throw in both series of Time Flies, that'd get you close to 200 pages of Deadline artist-themed silliness.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 07 May, 2017, 02:29:08 PM
Philip Bond would work with Hewlett & McCarthy.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 07 May, 2017, 04:58:08 PM
Has anybody mentioned Dash Decent, Bonjo and the Walter the Wobot one-page strips to pad out a Hewligan's Haircut / Sooner or Later mega-collection?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 08 May, 2017, 01:35:52 PM
I see the collection's web page is now redirecting back to hachette. Guess the test is over and we wait to see what happens next!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 May, 2017, 12:30:39 PM
I've finished reading the four pilot volumes, and they're a great example of the variety of Tooth stories over the past 40 years.

Slaine: Humour and action with the grounding of legend, and Bisley's art was the first of its kind in British comics at the time.

Halo Jones: the first two books are good scene-setters but the third is a masterpiece, Moore and Gibson at their absolute peak. To echo Neil Gaiman in Future Shock, we can only speculate at further wonders we might have seen if the story had continued.

Shakara: Mind-bending strangeness that's insane in the best way, with the most inventive collection of aliens outside Nemesis.

Strontium Dog: great storytelling from the creators of two of Tooth's most iconic characters, the serious points being made in the first two stories balanced by the humour of the third.

Hoping this has been popular enough to warrant a full series - guessing we'll find out in a few months?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 10 July, 2017, 11:39:48 PM
I just re-read Dan Abnett's take on Durham Red today, and think it definitely deserves to be included if the collection happens.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Michael Knight on 12 July, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
Please Tharg make this happen. I'm already allocating storage space
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 23 July, 2017, 03:16:19 AM
Quote from: Richard on 10 July, 2017, 11:39:48 PM
I just re-read Dan Abnett's take on Durham Red today, and think it definitely deserves to be included if the collection happens.

I've always thought that Dan Abnett's run on Durham Red was criminally underrated. It actually dared to do something new with a well known character.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mute77 on 23 July, 2017, 06:00:13 PM
Yeah i've said before that i loved Abnett's Durham Red trilogy.. Would love an all in one hardcover.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Swerty on 01 August, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
I would like all the golden oldies.Harlem Heroes,Invasion,Mach 1,Dan Dare...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 01 August, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Thunderbirds are go!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 01 August, 2017, 08:26:57 PM
It's great the series is happening! Who's the spine artist? From the tiny glimpses visible I'm guessing Boo Cook?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pete Wells on 01 August, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
Oooooh http://www.2000adcollection.com (http://www.2000adcollection.com)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 August, 2017, 08:36:22 PM
"Enter your email address to be notified when subscriptions are open!"

Oh, bloody hell. *looks at bank account* Oh, bloody hell. *looks at direct debits already going to Rebellion, Hachette, Titan, Panini... Oh, bloody hell.

*types in email address and hits Return regardless*

Oh, bloody hell.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 August, 2017, 08:36:49 PM
Still, at least this time round, the packaging will be not-shit from day one. Fewer books going back, I imagine.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Link Prime on 01 August, 2017, 08:40:47 PM
So tempting, although I'll likely end up being a weaselly cherry-picker again!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 01 August, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
I can't commit to another £20 per month on top of the MegaCollection! I know the early issues are usually cheap but it would still be the best part of year spending £40 a month. Looking forward to seeing it at WHSmiths though!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pete Wells on 01 August, 2017, 09:13:50 PM
In case anyone isn't on Facebook, here is the press release thingy:

"Stand-by, Earthlets – the ultimate collection of the Galaxy's Greatest Comic is coming soon! 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection brings you the best stories from forty years of Britain's biggest comic, from Judge Dredd to Sláine the Barbarian, from Rogue Trooper to Strontium Dog and a galaxy of Thrills in between! Subscriptions launch at www.2000adcollection.com on 7th August with issue one on sale from 23rd August, so whether you're a new Squaxx Dek Thargo or a venerable Deca Thargo make sure you snap up this ghafflebette collection. Don't be a grexnix – subscribe to 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection from Hachette Partworks!"
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 August, 2017, 09:23:16 PM
I'm slightly surprised they're overlapping with the Dredd collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 01 August, 2017, 09:29:25 PM
So annoyed but not surprised in the slightest.
Right, quick decision is to bail on Dredd. Not what I wanted but more keen on reading the wider 2000AD collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 01 August, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
I'll confess, I'm very tempted.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Monarch on 01 August, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
getting them both
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 August, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
While I doubt I'll go for this as I'll own all the stories, or near as damnit, I'm really pleased that this found a market and 2000ad thrives beyond Dredd.

Good stuff and chuffed for folks that get these things. You'd guess there'd be some beauts on the way!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JLC on 01 August, 2017, 10:11:40 PM
Is this going to get a cheap 1st issue like they did with the Dredd one?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 01 August, 2017, 10:21:49 PM
Do we have to resubscribe if we already subscribed during the test phase?
I can't remember what happened with the Dredd Collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 August, 2017, 11:23:17 PM
Dredd: they sent new versions for free, didn't they.

JLC: Most of these things are a couple of quid for the first, then seven, and then ten.
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 01 August, 2017, 11:53:30 PM
Ooooo this is very exciting. Very exciting indeed.


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
One minor grumble: would it kill them to put SOME indication of a book's contents on the spine?
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 02 August, 2017, 12:16:07 AM
Yeah I love that the DC collection has story titles, but that's Eaglemoss. Hachette never do it for some reason


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Apestrife on 02 August, 2017, 06:38:57 AM
If it's launching 23:rd of August. 4 books? Then next batch of two will be in September then?

Even if I won't pick it up a subscription, I'll be following it closely. Exciting to see which titles that will be included. I'll most likely buy more than one book from the collection :)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 August, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
The video on Facebook shows the four previously issued pilot volumes and a Nemesis cover, although the pilot promotional material suggested Dark Justice would be issue 5. Now that the Mega Collection has been extended, does this suggest DJ will be appearing there instead and there'll be less Dredd overall in the new collection? I'm thinking yes, as 10 further issues of Dredd won't leave a lot of significant material. Not that I can think of anyway.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 02 August, 2017, 07:50:47 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 02 August, 2017, 07:14:29 AM

Now that the Mega Collection has been extended...


Wait, what? Is this true?

If so, will the extension begin after the initial run that I signed on for or be folded in to force me into buying extra volumes in the Marvel Eff You style?

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 02 August, 2017, 08:06:23 AM
(From Facebook - sounds like initial 80 volumes will finish first!)
Hi Steven,

Subscribers will continue to be sent 2 issues every month, which means issues 80 & 81 will be sent out together.

As ever customers are free to cancel at any time and if you don't want to receive the continuation between 81 & 90 you are entitled to a refund of any issue so long as it is returned within 14 days. So if you just want to just keep issue 80 and get a refund for part 81 that is totally fine.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 02 August, 2017, 08:17:52 AM
Good, thank you.

Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 02 August, 2017, 09:12:14 AM
I'd given up on the Mega Collection after issue 57, but now I'm feeling the need to pick it back up because, along with this, it's the closest I'll get to a complete history of 2000AD. Blimey this mag forces people (me) to do crazy things.


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Fungus on 02 August, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
I won't blindly subscribe to this (even more than Dredd, it's made for cherry-picking) but I don't think that makes me a 'grexnix'. There's terrible customer service right there.

;)
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 02 August, 2017, 11:43:28 AM
I have the added bonus of starting reading 2000AD with the Dredd collection and never really expanding beyond what's been in the prog since then, so no matter what in the collection (apart from a few volumes of Stronty) it's impossible to be a double in my collection


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 02 August, 2017, 12:31:47 PM
News from Facebook
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There will be no duplication of issues that appeared in Judge Dredd: The Mega Collection. Of course, 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection will include several Dredd tales, but there will be no overlap with the stories already published in the Mega Collection.

https://www.facebook.com/judgedreddcollection/posts/1920662961524836?comment_id=1920665544857911&reply_comment_id=1920677711523361&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D (https://www.facebook.com/judgedreddcollection/posts/1920662961524836?comment_id=1920665544857911&reply_comment_id=1920677711523361&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Molch-R on 02 August, 2017, 12:34:19 PM
Re: those of you who got the first test volumes - test subscribers will have their subscription reactivated automatically, so will not have to re-subscribe. Hachette will be sending out an email this Friday with details about subscriptions.
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tjm86 on 02 August, 2017, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 02 August, 2017, 11:43:28 AM
..... so no matter what in the collection (apart from a few volumes of Stronty) it's impossible to be a double in my collection


Meh!  You're not a real tooth fan until you have four different editions of the Apocalypse War and three of the Cursed Earth Saga!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 02 August, 2017, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 02 August, 2017, 12:34:19 PM
Re: those of you who got the first test volumes - test subscribers will have their subscription reactivated automatically, so will not have to re-subscribe. Hachette will be sending out an email this Friday with details about subscriptions.

Thanks for confirming.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2017, 02:02:56 PM
QuoteThere will be no duplication of issues that appeared in Judge Dredd: The Mega Collection. Of course, 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection will include several Dredd tales, but there will be no overlap with the stories already published in the Mega Collection.
Oh, bloody hell.

It's like Rebellion and Hachette are chipping away at my resolve, the bastards. (I did in passing mention this collection to my wife last night. I got a 'look'. That might end up being my resolve. And, to be fair, this is my massively geeky wife who likes our telly room having hundreds of comic collections in it, including the Dredd one.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mardroid on 02 August, 2017, 03:56:22 PM
I think I'll be cherry picking this. I'm very likely to get the first (Slaine the Horned God, wasn't it?) and I'm less likely to get the second since I have Halo Jones already. But then again this is a nice hard-back Halo Jones at the less than the price of some paperbacks...

Ooh, it's insidious isn't it? I'll likely avoid volumes of the earlier Strontium Dog stuff though as I have the S/D files, and the thickness of those off-sets the... lovely... hardback... editions.... gnnnn....

:lol:

I think the 'cherry picking' might be the ones I leave out, if I'm not careful!

I do want to complete the Mega-collectionh. I actually subscribed back in the day, but had to pause and buy individually when real world financial issues stepped in.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 02 August, 2017, 04:30:48 PM
Will have to see.

Slaine? Already have a hardback, (to be honest would rather an oversized European-style version)
Strontium Dog - only if colour pages reinstated
Nemesis - have the hardback deviant edition and the trades, would be nice to have the colour spreads of the later books.
Halo Jones - will keep the titans with better repro

I'm more about shifting stuff to digital unless the repro is better, it's been a bit variable on the old stuff, and doesn't sound like it's the sort of project which would make re-scans viable.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JLC on 02 August, 2017, 09:08:04 PM
Anyone know what the first one is going to be?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 August, 2017, 09:24:15 PM
Quote from: JLC on 02 August, 2017, 09:08:04 PM
Anyone know what the first one is going to be?

I'd guess at Slaine: The Horned God, which was the first of the pilot issues. A good one to kick off with.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: CalHab on 03 August, 2017, 07:40:56 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 02 August, 2017, 09:24:15 PM
I'd guess at Slaine: The Horned God, which was the first of the pilot issues. A good one to kick off with.

I suppose so, but surely most of the target audience owns it already?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 03 August, 2017, 09:29:59 AM
Quote from: CalHab on 03 August, 2017, 07:40:56 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 02 August, 2017, 09:24:15 PM
I'd guess at Slaine: The Horned God, which was the first of the pilot issues. A good one to kick off with.

I suppose so, but surely most of the target audience owns it already?

Well, as a lapsed reader (I stopped at the original Prog 2000) who was brought back in by the JDMC I'm very pleased to be starting with Horned God, and in fact have not read any of the next few volumes to come at all.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: I, Cosh on 03 August, 2017, 09:30:49 AM
Quote from: CalHab on 03 August, 2017, 07:40:56 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 02 August, 2017, 09:24:15 PM
I'd guess at Slaine: The Horned God, which was the first of the pilot issues. A good one to kick off with.
I suppose so, but surely most of the target audience owns it already?
The loons on here aren't the target audience.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Fungus on 03 August, 2017, 09:46:40 AM
Are you suggesting owning something in one format precludes buying a new, shinier, hardback version of exactly the same thing...?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
Exactly. The target audience is people ambling about WHSmith, who see a hardback of Sláine for two quid and think: I'll have me a bit of that. And who then read the book, remember how much they used to love 2000 AD (or who are newcomers and also love it), at which point they note the next issue is 'only' £6.99. So they buy that too. And, really, £9.99 for the next hardback comics collection isn't all that much... And so it goes.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: TordelBack on 03 August, 2017, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: Fungus on 03 August, 2017, 09:46:40 AM
Are you suggesting owning something in one format precludes buying a new, shinier, hardback version of exactly the same thing...?

There goes Rebellion's 3rd Quarter turnover...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 03 August, 2017, 11:55:03 AM
Well there were a few graphic novels I was going to get but will now hold off with this collection coming
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Davgardo on 03 August, 2017, 12:09:46 PM
Personally I think this is a crazy to go with this now - a 1 or 2 month overlap with the JD Mega Collection would be just about affordable, but we're looking at the best part of a year here. I would love to subscribe to the 2000ad Collection but I just cannot afford or justify £40.00 a month.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 03 August, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
It's worth noting that it may not be a case of 'subscribe now or miss the boat'.
Eaglemoss are still pushing for subscriptions of the DC Comics collection - I took one out a few months ago, starting from issue 1 and am now up to issue 8. Original subscribers are up to about book 50 I think.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 03 August, 2017, 01:04:33 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
Exactly. The target audience is people ambling about WHSmith, who see a hardback of Sláine for two quid and think: I'll have me a bit of that. And who then read the book, remember how much they used to love 2000 AD (or who are newcomers and also love it), at which point they note the next issue is 'only' £6.99. So they buy that too. And, really, £9.99 for the next hardback comics collection isn't all that much... And so it goes.

Almost exactly what happened to me when the MC launched. While I understand comments about the £40 commitment every month, I guess they're striking while the iron's hot in the 40th anniversary year.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 03 August, 2017, 02:30:39 PM
There's a signing with Boo Cook at the London Forbiddden Planet Megastore:

https://forbiddenplanet.com/events/2017/08/23/launching-2000ad-collection-forbidden-planet/
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Arkwright99 on 03 August, 2017, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 03 August, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
It's worth noting that it may not be a case of 'subscribe now or miss the boat'.
Eaglemoss are still pushing for subscriptions of the DC Comics collection - I took one out a few months ago, starting from issue 1 and am now up to issue 8. Original subscribers are up to about book 50 I think.
You can also buy individual (back) issues of the Mega Collection from Hachette (https://hachettepartworks.com/judge-dredd-the-mega-collection) so if the same holds true for the Ultimate Collection then I can see people (like myself) waiting and picking up only those volumes that we want to buy - possibly even waiting in case there's a sale any time.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
The crossover is curious, I agree, but I suppose all that's been considered by the company. It'll be interesting to see whether people dive in, too. The one thing that still holds me back a bit is the nature of such collections in terms of completeness. I already own the majority of my favourite 2000 AD series in book form. Would I be interested in 'upgrading' them to MC-style hardbacks for ten quid a pop? Sure. Do I want to do that if there are gaps in the major series? Hmm.

So: 80 books. What might it include? I've just faffed about in Soulver to see what Rebellion's current line-up is, and to convert them into Hachette page counts (approx.), being mindful that the 2000 AD books were a mite slimmer than the Dredd ones.

Major series (as per Rebellion's own shop) come to about 76 books in all:

ABC Warriors: 10
Button Man: 2
Nemesis: 5
Nikolai Dante: 10
Ro-Busters: 4
Robo-Hunter: 4
Rogue Trooper (original): 8
Rogue Trooper (War Machine): 1
Savage/Invasion: 3
Sláine: 13
Strontium Dog: 13
Zenith: 2

Cherry picking some others shoves you well over 100 (111.5, in this case).

Absolom: 1
ACE Trucking: 3
Bad Company: 2
Brass Sun: 1
Caballistics: 2
Dan Dare: 3
Dr & Quinch: 0.5
Durham Red: 2
Flesh: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Indigo Prime: 2
Jaegir: 1
Kingdom: 2
Red Seas: 4
Shakara: 2
Sinister Dexter: God only knows. Maybe 5
Skizz (wouldn't be complete): 1

It'll be interesting to see what they decide on, not least because everyone has their own favourites and ideas about whether something's important regarding completeness. To my mind, anything less than the entire Nikolai Dante saga would be a big disappointment, even if you got synopses to bring you up to date. But I could live without a chunk of Sinister Dexter. I suspect there are people here who'd argue the exact opposite.

That all said, I'm very happy that this is happening at all. Think back to the Fleetway days, when we got the odd sporadic book, in varying formats. Then deals came and went – Titan; Hamlyn; DC. Then Rebellion took everything on, and since that point we've had at least 20 new books every year, and now we're getting the second partwork. That's pretty amazing.


Quote from: Arkwright99 on 03 August, 2017, 02:52:47 PMpossibly even waiting in case there's a sale any time.
I'll be amazed if they do another 50 per cent off one, though. The number of people they pissed off with that!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Monarch on 03 August, 2017, 03:03:08 PM
and then we get mark millars robohunter and we despair we sooooo despair
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
I'd hope with 80 books there would be no crap. With Dredd, some filler was inevitable. But it'd be horrible to see Junker or something similar stinking up the place. (I rather liked how the phonebooks dealt with Robo-Hunter – just pretend the Millar run never happened and skip to the Hogan/Hughes stuff.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 03 August, 2017, 03:15:24 PM
That Strontium Dog cover looks brilliant. Is it original or have we seen it before?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 August, 2017, 03:19:22 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 03 August, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
It's worth noting that it may not be a case of 'subscribe now or miss the boat'.
Eaglemoss are still pushing for subscriptions of the DC Comics collection - I took one out a few months ago, starting from issue 1 and am now up to issue 8. Original subscribers are up to about book 50 I think.

I'm on issue 45 (despite subbing from the start) and have another 2 due any day now. Plus there have been 9 specials to date.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 03 August, 2017, 03:53:53 PM
Editorially I think common sense says that stories intended to be a complete saga should be included in their entirety if possible.
For everything else I think a 'best of' approach would be fine. We all know there are crap Robo-Hunter and Rogue Trooper stories; and does anyone really want to read three books of Ace Trucking?
Strips like Ro-Busters have some classic multi-part stories that would be nice to see but if you want all the filler strips and annual stories that's what the 'Nuts and Bolts' books are for.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Michael Knight on 03 August, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
Im definitely in for this collection. Im buying as i know i will actually read/re-read all of these, whereas with the Marvel/DC collections it would be only certain characters. Thanks a lot Tharg. I cannot wait to see these in my local thrill merchant! now i will not only will i be rearranging shelves displaying 2000ad and meg, and dredd partwork prominently   
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 03 August, 2017, 04:17:37 PM
Oo there's a question - will this include only 2000AD content, or the purposes of this licence will Meg material be included as well. I presume it will...


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Monarch on 03 August, 2017, 04:26:39 PM
well considering pretty much all the best meg stuff (apart from more recent things like lawless) were reprinted in the mega collection i doubt it
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2017, 04:31:00 PM
And there's been confirmation that there will be no crossover in terms of content.

Of course, this is where we get a Sexy Ostriches book now, or – shudder – that vampire thing whose name I appear to have wiped from my memory.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 03 August, 2017, 04:32:20 PM
Those two were creator owned so hopefully not
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 03 August, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
Would be good if they included strontium dog from starlord and maybe the full set of diceman
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 03 August, 2017, 04:38:01 PM
Diceman would be lovely - especially if all included in one volume (rather than split across volumes as extras in character themed books). 
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Michael Knight on 03 August, 2017, 04:38:55 PM
Now Diceman i would love to read. Only recently heard about these!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
Given that the Starlord Stront is in the existing Rebellion collections, there's no obvious reason it wouldn't show up here unless (like the Dredd run) it's going to prioritise colour content.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JamesC on 04 August, 2017, 03:47:07 PM
Woop, woop!

Dear 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection subscriber,

We are delighted to let you know that 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection is now launching nationally!

As a valued test subscriber, we have re-activated your subscription from issue 1 and will be sending you the first 3 issues free of charge.

This means that you don't need to subscribe again when the website goes live on Monday.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2017, 03:53:08 PM
For all the grumbles I hear about Hachette customer service, I see things like this and think they're doing a pretty good job on the whole.
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 04 August, 2017, 04:16:51 PM
I've not got a bad word to say about Hachette's customer service. I've always found them attentive and customer-focused.


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2017, 05:10:01 PM
Really, the only grumble I have about the JD collection was the shitty packaging, but that's now been addressed. I do have a couple of duff volumes, which I should probably get replaced. But, yeah, every single time I've sent them a DM on Facebook, I've got a reply – usually within a couple of days. Replacement issues typically showed up after a week.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 04 August, 2017, 06:01:47 PM
I've loved the collection. My only gripe now is that I can't afford to get both at the same time. I'll have to finish the Dredd first then pick up the 2KAD one at volume whatever and hope to pick up the ones I've missed as I go. Proper bummer :(
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: BPP on 05 August, 2017, 12:50:51 PM
So the next JD Mega Collection is 68 -meaning 12 (or 22 if you're planning on extending). Meaning 6 months (or 11 if extending). The Collection goes live end August. My JD stuff always arrived early in the month so I'd count that as  overlapping Septembers JD so approximately 10 issues of overlap or 5 months. But then if you were a test subscriber you get the first 3 free so overlap payments wise is 7 issues - 3.5 months. or 70 quid. Not great but liveable.

Does strike me as a complete incentive to jump ship off the Dredd collection at 80 tho.

Btw - for those in two minds and who didn't get the test run - these are absolutely lovely 2000AD reproductions - the best way the vast majority of these stories will ever appear in print.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Magnetica on 05 August, 2017, 01:33:36 PM
I have the original reprints of the Horned God, which are on high quality paper. I am struggling to see why I should buy it again. Other than to get the essay.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 August, 2017, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: BPP on 05 August, 2017, 12:50:51 PMBtw - for those in two minds and who didn't get the test run - these are absolutely lovely 2000AD reproductions - the best way the vast majority of these stories will ever appear in print.
It'll be interesting to see how well earlier material fares, but 2000 AD stuff on the whole has been impressive, bar the odd niggle here and there. (Compare that to the dire Marvel-era Transformers stuff, which doesn't exactly benefit from Hachette hardbacks, in the same way some gorgeous artwork wouldn't save a DVD if the footage was 320x240px at 12FPS.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: rogue69 on 06 August, 2017, 07:55:35 PM
Glad to see they have made changes to the free gifts with this collection gone is the hip flask, belt buckle and the Blitzspear parking sign, now the free gifts are

  - You will receive your FREE 2000 AD mug with your 1st delivery.
- You will receive your FREE issue with your 2nd delivery.
- You will receive your FREE wallet with your 3rd delivery.
- You will receive your FREE Future Shock! DVD in your 5th delivery.
- You will receive your FREE Bookends in your 7th delivery.
- You will receive your FREE 2000 AD Sketch Book in your 9th delivery.

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Swerty on 06 August, 2017, 08:04:10 PM
I'm trying to resist but it all looks too tempting.Is there a picture of the new Spine painting?
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 06 August, 2017, 09:23:17 PM
Oooh those freebies are pretty damn good actually. Very incentivising.


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 06 August, 2017, 09:44:47 PM
Cool was needing a new wallet
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 07 August, 2017, 01:16:46 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 06 August, 2017, 08:04:10 PM
I'm trying to resist but it all looks too tempting.Is there a picture of the new Spine painting?

Here's a low-res one! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/e3d8b1d1d35dc19f27c9506aabc92342.jpg)


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 07 August, 2017, 01:43:52 AM
It's making my eyes hurt trying to recognise the characters! Where's Zenith? And who's the person with their head on fire? No Judge Anderson? Nice to see Bad Company on the far right...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 07 August, 2017, 06:24:51 AM
That looks fantastic
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 07 August, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
Skizz, Ace Trucking, Durham Red, Dr & Quinch, stickleback. Bad company! Beyond those it's the usual suspect stars. Who else? 👍🏻
Quite pleased to not be seeing Zenith actually since I own that slipcase set.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Steve Green on 07 August, 2017, 09:04:08 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 07 August, 2017, 01:43:52 AM
It's making my eyes hurt trying to recognise the characters! Where's Zenith? And who's the person with their head on fire? No Judge Anderson? Nice to see Bad Company on the far right...

Demon Jenny from Caballistics.

There are Anderson stories in the Dredd collection, + there's that 10 volume extension to fill.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 07 August, 2017, 09:04:21 AM
I'm having trouble getting my Hachette account to accept the subscriber number they have sent me.
Anyone else?
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 07 August, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
Anyone else having issues adding the subscription number to a Hachette account?


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Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 07 August, 2017, 09:07:20 AM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 07 August, 2017, 09:04:21 AM
I'm having trouble getting my Hachette account to accept the subscriber number they have sent me.
Anyone else?

Didn't see that before my post. Glad it's not just me! Perhaps it's because subs haven't launched officially yet


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moldovangerbil on 07 August, 2017, 09:19:52 AM
Same here.  I put it down to the fact that they'd got my details wrong, so I phoned them up to get them to correct them.  The line was terrible, but I *thought* they'd updated them.  However, when I tried just now to add my subscription I was still getting the same error.
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 07 August, 2017, 09:20:54 AM
I sent the Ultimate Collection Facebook page a message last night about this; if they reply I'll update here


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2017, 09:59:43 AM
For what it's worth, it took a while last time before the Hachette site recognised the Dredd ones. Also, if you find yourself on a 'late' run (since these things are dispatched at varying times of the month), that might be down to their policy of never charging twice in the same month. I successfully had that shifted with the Dredd collection, after written confirmation that I'd be happy to take two charges across a single 28-day period.
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 07 August, 2017, 10:02:56 AM
Here's a higher res spine (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/ec4edd66138b97eb007b85e13164cd79.jpg)


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2017, 10:03:18 AM
Also, while I suspect this is wishful thinking, I do hope they release series in order for this – or at least a logical running order (so you could I suppose split classic and redux Sláine/Strontium Dog/etc.). With something like Nikolai Dante, it wouldn't be much fun to get book 5 or something before book 3. (I realise this is how many partworks happen, but it's user-hostile and unnecessary.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 07 August, 2017, 10:10:11 AM
Might have to go for the premium collection to get the 6 figures
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 07 August, 2017, 10:17:39 AM
During the test run for this collection, you weren't charged and for security reasons we were not able to hold onto your payment details whether these were credit card details or direct debit details. This means that you will be charged via invoice, but to change this, all you have to do is to log in to your account or register at www.hachettepartworks.com/Account/Login, add your subscriber number and update your payment details.

We will send you another email shortly detailing how to do this, but if you have any questions please call our customer services on 03333001045 and they'll be happy to assist.

I guess we sit tight for another email?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 07 August, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
The subscription number we have been provided with is not a normal sub number and won't work.
I've been trying top update my payment details, and to change my sub to a premium sub, but there does not seem to be anywhere on the site I can do it.
I suspect I shall have to making a phone call shortly.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 07 August, 2017, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 07 August, 2017, 10:17:39 AM

We will send you another email shortly detailing how to do this, but if you have any questions please call our customer services on 03333001045 and they'll be happy to assist.

I guess we sit tight for another email?

I guess so. I'll give them a few days before ringing them. Might have to anyway as I want the premium sub.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moldovangerbil on 07 August, 2017, 10:22:48 AM
What does the premium subscription give you as a bonus?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 07 August, 2017, 10:41:11 AM
6 exclusive figures
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: James Stacey on 07 August, 2017, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 07 August, 2017, 10:02:56 AM
Here's a higher res spine (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/ec4edd66138b97eb007b85e13164cd79.jpg)


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Man that's some bootiful spine work.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: geronimo on 07 August, 2017, 10:51:09 AM
I assume the figurines will be the Doctor Who or Marvel sized, as per usual. Bloody expensive if they are, and no Slaine!!!! maybe there is more to come if the collection is extended.
Either way I'm a 50 year old who feels like a kid at Christmas again! Don't have any old progs or GN's, so look forward to getting back to the old thrill-power.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: matty_ae on 07 August, 2017, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: geronimo on 07 August, 2017, 10:51:09 AM
Don't have any old progs or GN's, so look forward to getting back to the old thrill-power.

I think most of us envy your position as we weigh up whether to add another 80 books some of which will be duplicated content. I spent so long tracking down all the Dante books I'm not sure I can justify buying again. Love the Boo Cook art and free gifts. Bah 50/50
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 07 August, 2017, 12:09:14 PM
It's odd that the subscription number given doesn't work - also is everyone's initial the first letter of their surname?
The spine looks great in hi-res. The framing at the early volumes looks odd - it's almost as if there's plans to add more volumes at a later date!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 07 August, 2017, 12:32:59 PM
The website, http://www.2000adcollection.com/, has now been updated with a lot more info, you can zoom in on the spine art which looks great. There's also confirmation that issue 5 is Nemesis, crediting Mills & O'Neill, so presumably will be book 1 - possibly including the original Comic Rock episodes?

Molch-R - the video says Clint Langley is the spine artist, presumably left over from the test issues.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dodsy on 07 August, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
Do we know if the premium sub's end after the 6 issues or do they release more at a later date?

What did they do with the Dredd collection/ prints?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2017, 01:14:55 PM
The premium products are released periodically, not every issue/delivery. So if there are six figurines, you're going to be getting them every dozen or so issues (so every six deliveries). And each one will effectively cost you 20 quid.

I'm still on the fence about this. I kind of wish someone could ply Matt Smith with his favourite ale and somehow get a breakdown of the books that are going to be included (or at least the 'completeness' of key series). I love the format of these books, but, man, I have a LOT of 2000 AD books already, and while I would replace them for 20 quid a month, I'm still wary about gaps in storylines. (At the very least, I'd want all of Nikolai Dante, Strontium Dog, Kingdom and Zenith, if those strips are included. I could live with bits of Nemesis after book 4, Button Man, Robo-Hunter, Rogue Trooper, Sláine, and the likes.) And 800 quid is quite the punt.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Magnetica on 07 August, 2017, 02:11:10 PM
Cherry picking is a no brainer for me. Not going to buy stuff I already have TPBs or hardbacks of.

Guess that means no Horned God then, no Zenith, no Nemesis, no Clint Langley Slaine or ABC Warriors....
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Swerty on 07 August, 2017, 02:20:54 PM
Well I hope Ace Trucking comes along early.Some of the out of print volumes go for ridiculous prices so there's one plus.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Magnetica on 07 August, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
Re my last post- I should have said "unless colour centre spreads are included that previously weren't in the TPBs".

So Nemesis I'm looking at you.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Bolt-01 on 07 August, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
Looking at the spinethis will be a good way to get a complete Caballistics!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Link Prime on 07 August, 2017, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 07 August, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
Looking at the spinethis will be a good way to get a complete Caballistics!

Was just thinking that Bolt.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mardroid on 07 August, 2017, 03:53:15 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2017, 01:14:55 PM
The premium products are released periodically, not every issue/delivery. So if there are six figurines, you're going to be getting them every dozen or so issues (so every six deliveries). And each one will effectively cost you 20 quid.

Hmm. Depending on the size of the figures that could be a very good, or a very bad deal,i.e. I wouldn't want to spend £20 on a tiny thing, even if it looked great.

And they really do look great. (http://www.2000adcollection.com/how-it-works/#premium) (If you scroll down a bit and  click on each of the four head-shots, you'll see the full figure above.) I really want to see the Dante one.

I figured Halo Jones was a blonde not white haired though, but maybe that's just the lighting.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Molch-R on 07 August, 2017, 04:27:57 PM
Just recorded this week's Thrill-Cast with Matt Smith, who's revealing more about the collection AND the line-up - tune in on Wednesday, podcast fans!
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 07 August, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
I'm glad it looks like the text pieces are continuing. The honest reappraisals of Dredd-world have been an eye opener.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Arkwright99 on 07 August, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
Am I right in thinking you can subscribe from issues 1,2,3 or 4 at any time in the life of the partwork and still get the free gifts, or do you have to subscribe from the very start to get them?

(Done the maths and to qualify for the free sketch book - which looks very nice - you have to invest nearly £160 and with the overlap on the Mega Collection I'd prefer to avoid that if I could start a subscription after the MC extension has ended and still get the gifts (although I already have the Future Shock! bluray & original DVD so not sure I need another copy except to give away).

Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 07 August, 2017, 04:50:56 PM
That's my understanding of the hachette system. In theory you could sign up for the marvel series now from issue 1 & get the free gifts. I really wish they'd not overlapped this with the MegaCollection. It seems odd to announce an extension of the original run and the 2000ad collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2017, 05:33:19 PM
QuoteI'm glad it looks like the text pieces are continuing.
Although written by someone else, right? (A pity. I've been thoroughly enjoying Molch-R's work for the JD collection, not least the more thought-piece ones.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: metalmarc on 07 August, 2017, 08:59:55 PM
Hello folks, when will these be available in the shops, is it now? I know i could sub online but i want to use these as an excuse to start getting back into going into town and buying something rather than sit at home, i miss the adventure of going to the shop when something interesting comes out, nowadays i'm just like blah i will wait for the Internet to send it to me.  :lol:
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 07 August, 2017, 09:28:05 PM
In the shops in mid to late August is my understanding (21st? Something like that).
I'll pick up a couple of extra issue 1's to distribute to some of the local schools in the area.
Did that for the Mega Collection and one school said it went down so well they ended up picking up quite a few volumes for their library.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pete Wells on 07 August, 2017, 11:10:25 PM
So have any existing subscribers managed to subscribe properly yet?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: The Monarch on 08 August, 2017, 12:12:08 AM
I see the dictators of zrag and thrill suckers behind the huge tharg does this mean we will get a volume of tharg stories like i wanted?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 August, 2017, 06:41:25 AM
Quote from: metalmarc on 07 August, 2017, 08:59:55 PM
Hello folks, when will these be available in the shops, is it now? I know i could sub online but i want to use these as an excuse to start getting back into going into town and buying something rather than sit at home, i miss the adventure of going to the shop when something interesting comes out, nowadays i'm just like blah i will wait for the Internet to send it to me.  :lol:

First issue in shops August 23rd, then fortnightly alternating with the Mega Collection. I've already given my local Thrill-merchant the heads up.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Davgardo on 08 August, 2017, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 07 August, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
I'm glad it looks like the text pieces are continuing. The honest reappraisals of Dredd-world have been an eye opener.

Well I'd rather they didn't include rubbish in the 1st place: 'Yes we know Red Razors/Calhab Justice/Sleeze n Ryder/The Corps is crap but here it is anyway - thanks for your subscription'.

I really don't want to have to fork out to see Space Girls, Dinosty, Babe Race 2000 etc just so the intro/text piece can say how crap it was.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Richard on 08 August, 2017, 09:15:47 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: CalHab on 08 August, 2017, 09:16:03 AM
I've been wondering whether to subscribe. Given that I already own four of the five advertised books, I think I'll probably just pick and choose. Obviously they plan on hooking new readers by including some big hitters early.
Title: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 08 August, 2017, 09:39:44 AM
Here's hoping the Thrill-Cast tomorrow gives more of an idea of what's included, and can help those on the fence.

I'm personally hoping for complete runs of major characters (Nemesis/Stronty/Slaine) and some anthologies of smaller stories and one-off volumes. This is an opportunity to truly be an Ultimate Collection and I hope it's not squandered.


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Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pete Wells on 08 August, 2017, 10:40:03 AM
At the risk of being Captain Obvious, looking at that spine, we have:

Fatties, Tharg, Dredd, Stront, Sam Slade, ABC's, Dante, Stickleback, Rogue, Ampney Crucis, Nemesis, Skizz, Savage, Shakara, Skizz, Cabalistics, Sinister Dexter, Kingdom, Slaine, Halo Jones, Zombo, Bad Company, Ace Trucking, and DR and Quinch.

I wonder how many complete runs of these we can fit into 80 books? My addled brain can't do the maths.

I also wonder, if we get Clint Langley's ABC Warriors, will we get his Prog strips or his luxury, Graphic Novel edition versions (drool!)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Swerty on 08 August, 2017, 10:46:15 AM
I'm hoping for a VCs edition.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2017, 11:41:52 AM
Quote from: Davgardo on 08 August, 2017, 08:52:10 AMWell I'd rather they didn't include rubbish in the 1st place: 'Yes we know Red Razors/Calhab Justice/Sleeze n Ryder/The Corps is crap but here it is anyway - thanks for your subscription'. I really don't want to have to fork out to see Space Girls, Dinosty, Babe Race 2000 etc just so the intro/text piece can say how crap it was.
I agree. The Dredd collection has mostly been good, but there was really no need to fill several books with content that was objectively crap. (If you wanted to get a taste of some of such strips, find something representative and shove it in a volume that has appropriate context.)

In the context of 2000 AD, there are strips here that people will disagree on, with regards to their quality. I can take or leave an awful lot of Rogue Trooper, for example; but there's no argument at least some of that should be in the collection. But there's an awful lot of utter garbage in 2000 AD's history that shouldn't be let anywhere near this collection, even if some of it has some redeeming features (Junker's Ridgeway art, say, which was pretty good on the whole).

That all said, I suspect it's been a hell of a lot more difficult to balance 80 books across 2000 AD's entire history than 80 books for Dredd. When you look at what's available for Dreddworld strip, it was perhaps inevitable we'd get some crap. With 2000 AD, it would be a waste if we get Babe Race 2000, just to get Millar's name on the front of a book.

Quote from: Pete Wells on 08 August, 2017, 10:40:03 AMI wonder how many complete runs of these we can fit into 80 books? My addled brain can't do the maths.

I did some very back-of-an-envelope calculations already (http://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44203.msg964739#msg964739) for the major series. Looking at your list, and ignoring all Dredd and Tharg (I'm assuming he's there as a figurehead, because I really hope they don't fill one of these books with Dictators of Zrag bollocks – just grab issue 63 of Best of 2000 AD on eBay if you want that), I estimate full runs of those series would be over 90 books. And that's not really entirely full, given that I'm ignoring anything Rogue Trooper outside of the classic/Rennie/War Machine runs, Robo-Hunter outside of the stuff in the phone books, and I suspect have massively underestimated the amount of Sin/Dex material that's knocking around.

I don't envy Matt on this one. It's going to be impossible to please everyone. At the very least, I hope if series are quite heavily abbreviated, we get some synopses this time, like in the Marvel collections. If you jump ahead three books of Nikolai Dante, that can't happen on a page turn – you must outline what the hell happened in the meantime. (The Dredd collection sometimes suffers with this, and leads to a few series being more or less incoherent unless you're armed with multiple books and some patience.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Pyroxian on 08 August, 2017, 11:55:50 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2017, 11:41:52 AM
With 2000 AD, it would be a waste if we get Babe Race 2000, just to get Millar's name on the front of a book.

Especially as you could just reprint Maniac 5 or Silo which were pretty decent.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 08 August, 2017, 11:55:50 AMEspecially as you could just reprint Maniac 5 or Silo which were pretty decent.
Objectively, I wouldn't have either of those in the mix if I had 80 books to play with, with page counts likely on average lower than those of the Dredd collections. (On the basis of those in the test run.) Silo was OK, but on a re-read is pretty derivative and mostly saved by the art. Maniac 5 was brainless throwaway fun at its best, and certainly something I'd happily re-read in the Meg floppy, but I don't need to pay 10 quid for a hardback collection.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 08 August, 2017, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 07 August, 2017, 11:10:25 PM
So have any existing subscribers managed to subscribe properly yet?

I've just subscribed through the link on their page and gave up trying to add the subscriber number they sent me.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tjm86 on 08 August, 2017, 02:49:30 PM
Quote from: Davgardo on 08 August, 2017, 08:52:10 AM
I really don't want to have to fork out to see Space Girls, Dinosty, Babe Race 2000 etc just so the intro/text piece can say how crap it was.

Hey now.  This would be a cracking collection.  Add in Crusade, Valkyries, Big Dave, Fleischer's RT stuff, Millar's Robohunter ... What's the problem?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Smith on 08 August, 2017, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 08 August, 2017, 02:49:30 PM
What's the problem?
There is already a Family Guy collection called A Big Book O' Crap.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Bolt-01 on 08 August, 2017, 03:13:30 PM
Ouch. Thing is, even the strips that are usually 'not' the top of a Squaxx' fave list have 'something' to recommend them.

Those strips all have pretty solid art droids on duty...
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
Which'd be fine if comics were all about looking at pictures, but they're not. (I just read The Complete Skizz, which rather sums this up nicely. Good grief, I'd forgotten how much of a mess the sequels were. Nice art, as ever – I can't recall Baike having ever put a foot wrong there – but, man, that was a painful trip back to a not-good period in 2000 AD's history.)
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tjm86 on 08 August, 2017, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 08 August, 2017, 03:13:30 PM

Those strips all have pretty solid art droids on duty...

True.  Fleischer's RT was some of Flint's earliest tooth work, wasn't it.  Casanovas was artist on Millar's Robohunter.  Wasn't Parkhouse drawing the world cup Big Dave?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: TordelBack on 08 August, 2017, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 08 August, 2017, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 08 August, 2017, 03:13:30 PM

Those strips all have pretty solid art droids on duty...

True.  Fleischer's RT was some of Flint's earliest tooth work, wasn't it.  Casanovas was artist on Millar's Robohunter.  Wasn't Parkhouse drawing the world cup Big Dave?

Yeah, and L'il Coleby (also on RT) drew some of the worst scripts ever to appear in 2000AD. Ezquerra drew possibly THE worst Dredd episode, the closest rivals for that 'accolade' being drawn by Ron Smith and Mick Austin. And despite their considerable talents those episodes are too awful to think about, except to mourn the wasted talent.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: robert_ellis on 08 August, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
I think those looking for complete runs of longer stories will be disappointed. Much as the MegaCollection doesn't repeat the Casefiles - I'd imagine this would be the same. Can't wait to hear the Podcast with Matt Smith.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 09 August, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 08 August, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
I think those looking for complete runs of longer stories will be disappointed. Much as the MegaCollection doesn't repeat the Casefiles - I'd imagine this would be the same. Can't wait to hear the Podcast with Matt Smith.

Rather than complete collections, I've re-evaluated, and hope that this contains enough to give what feels like a full story to each character/series, which I think the Mega Collection achieved. It has to live up to that Ultimate name
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: abelardsnazz on 09 August, 2017, 08:11:23 AM
Just listened to the latest Thrill-cast and there's some major revelations from Tharg on there as to what will be included - I won't put any spoilers to give people a chance to listen.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: sheridan on 09 August, 2017, 08:18:45 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 08 August, 2017, 07:27:06 PM
Yeah, and L'il Coleby (also on RT) drew some of the worst scripts ever to appear in 2000AD. Ezquerra drew possibly THE worst Dredd episode, the closest rivals for that 'accolade' being drawn by Ron Smith and Mick Austin. And despite their considerable talents those episodes are too awful to think about, except to mourn the wasted talent.


Do on, you've got to reveal which Dredd episode you think is worst now!  I'm guessing the Mick Austin contender is Crusade?  And is the Ron Smith one Sugar Beat?
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: moly on 09 August, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
Listened to the prog cast even more looking forward to this now, full run of Dante it does sound like it will be the ultimate collection
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: TordelBack on 09 August, 2017, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 09 August, 2017, 08:18:45 AM
Do on, you've got to reveal which Dredd episode you think is worst now!  I'm guessing the Mick Austin contender is Crusade?  And is the Ron Smith one Sugar Beat?

My opinion fluctuates hourly, but as these are stories that I didn't read at the time, having already flounced off in disgust during Book of the Dead, I've only read them once and then in a disgusted peeking-throughmy-fingers rush, so my judgement may not be fair to those involved. But despite the usual excellent work of the three artists, I single out: Frankenstein Division, Judge Tyrannosaur and Crusade.   

There may be worse Dredds that are so poor, muddled and vacant (or badly drawn) that they have slipped out of awareness, but these three are memorably bad, even though I've only barely read them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 10:08:41 AM
I just changed the topic of the thread. I figured these aren't tests any more!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Davgardo on 09 August, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
I will be curious to see the repro on the 70's & 80's stuff.

Some of the Dredd Mega Collection repro was superior to the Case Files (colour spreads etc) while some was just the same. So I'll watch with interest to see whether early Slaine, ABC Warriors Black Hole etc fair any better (if included).
For example, I'll probably stick with the Halo Jones Titan releases and the Nemesis Deviant Edition and look to see comments on here about the quality of further 70's & 80's releases.
Also, while it'd be nice to have hardbacks of Shakara, Bad Company and Button Man, if they're not as comprehensive as the PB's I own it'd be hard to justify.
Feel a bit guilty/disloyal about doing all that but my pockets aren't bottomless!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 10:55:44 AM
Frankly, it's all about business. There's for me no 'loyalty' argument with any of this stuff. If Matt went mad and decided 2000 AD should just be 28 pages of Junker: The Further Adventures every month, I wouldn't buy it just because.

With this collection, there has to be a value proposition to each person that justifies the outlay. If someone cannot afford it or doesn't want to replace existing collections with these new ones, fair dos. That doesn't mean they're somehow being a bad person with regards to 2000 AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: aceface11 on 09 August, 2017, 12:29:04 PM
Just FYI - you can now add your subscription number to the Hachette site without getting an error. I'm all subbed up for first free issues!

Matt
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 09 August, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 10:55:44 AM

With this collection, there has to be a value proposition to each person that justifies the outlay. If someone cannot afford it or doesn't want to replace existing collections with these new ones, fair dos. That doesn't mean they're somehow being a bad person with regards to 2000 AD.

I am the target audience for this, given my 19+ wilderness years. As with the Mega Collection, I'm looking forward to catching up with what I've missed and revisiting the classics. I've bought a few GNs during the MC run but hopefully there won't be too much duplication.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: walrus on 09 August, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: aceface11 on 09 August, 2017, 12:29:04 PM
Just FYI - you can now add your subscription number to the Hachette site without getting an error. I'm all subbed up for first free issues!

Matt

Mine is still giving the error.

For those who subscribed to the test, is it the subscription number from back in March or have you been given a new subscription number?

Thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 August, 2017, 01:29:34 PM
I've just logged in with the sub number I got via the email I received a few days ago.
Can't tell you if it was different from the one I got for the test issues or not as I don't have that information anymore.
Just phoned up and upgraded to the premium sub as well as there did not appear to be a way to do that via the Hachette account page.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 09 August, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
I was emailed a new subscription number a few days back (Sunday, I believe) - just registered with that and it worked a treat
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2017, 02:17:02 PM
If you haven't listened to the Thrill-cast yet, there's a snippet in there about this that's tipped me over into a solid 'buy': [spoiler]The Complete Nikolai Dante — nine volumes in hardback.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: walrus on 09 August, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
Thanks both. I have just checked my emails and I haven't had a new subscriber email sent. The only email I have received is the generic one on Friday saying that the test subscriptions will be reactivated.

I will wait and see if anything else arrives and then give them a call

Cheers
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 09 August, 2017, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2017, 02:17:02 PM
If you haven't listened to the Thrill-cast yet, there's a snippet in there about this that's tipped me over into a solid 'buy': [spoiler]The Complete Nikolai Dante — nine volumes in hardback.[/spoiler]

And released in order too, it sounds like!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 09 August, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
I would recommend messaging them on Facebook. They're great at responding
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: walrus on 09 August, 2017, 02:46:14 PM
Thanks for the tip, I have heard they are quite good at responding on there. Unfortunately I don't have an account and am not going to join just to sort this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2017, 02:17:02 PM
If you haven't listened to the Thrill-cast yet, there's a snippet in there about this that's tipped me over into a solid 'buy': [spoiler]The Complete Nikolai Dante — nine volumes in hardback.[/spoiler]
YOU ARE NOT HELPING, JIM.

Quote from: Anthony Garnon on 09 August, 2017, 02:34:43 PMAnd released in order too, it sounds like!
AND NEITHER ARE YOU.

*sobs*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 09 August, 2017, 03:35:40 PM
The worst thing here for me is that the only book of Dante I've not got is the second Tsar wars. So- do I let all my current trades go and get the UC versions or just pick up the UC edition that runs those issues?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 09 August, 2017, 03:35:40 PM
The worst thing here for me is that the only book of Dante I've not got is the second Tsar wars. So- do I let all my current trades go and get the UC versions or just pick up the UC edition that runs those issues?
Hard to advise. Mostly, I think I'm going to have someone (Matt? Molch-R? Jim?) explain to my wife why there are going to be two card boxes of books dropping through the letterbox every month now, rather than one. (I did get a "you may have to keep the books OR the Progs" response last weekend, although that was because she misunderstood the nature of the collection, with it being reprints of key stories, and not ALL of the stories. So I may be walking a fine line here.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 09 August, 2017, 03:40:41 PM
I signed up for this yesterday for the exact same reason .. after so many years in the wilderness I want to re-read some of my old favourites and other things I might have missed out on over the last couple of decades.

This is amazing as far as I'm concerned! This is amazing as far as I'm concerned! This is amazing as far as I'm concerned! This is amazing as far as I'm concerned! This is amazing as far as I'm concerned!

Quote from: abelardsnazz on 09 August, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
I am the target audience for this, given my 19+ wilderness years. As with the Mega Collection, I'm looking forward to catching up with what I've missed and revisiting the classics. I've bought a few GNs during the MC run but hopefully there won't be too much duplication.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 August, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 03:39:26 PM
explain to my wife why there are going to be two card boxes of books dropping through the letterbox every month now, rather than one.
As I get The Mega Collection, The Marvel Graphic Novel collection, The DC Super Hero collection, The Doctor Who History, The Star Trek Graphic Novel collection, plus Build a Millenium Falcon and Build and R2-D2 I think one more may count as grounds for divorce.
Still, probably worth it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 04:21:02 PM
I may have pushed things recently by buying several large boxes of Marvel reprints on eBay (I mean some were just too good to turn down – 31 issues of Mighty World of Marvel for a fiver), having about 50 books in my office that I still haven't read, and through us lacking the space, even in an extended house. I do at least only get one partwork. (I bought the first 60 issues of the Marvel one on eBay, but then re-sold them at no loss. And I got the first issue of the Transformers one, but the repro was so appalling, I stopped right there. I've since seen scans of subsequent issues and, well, oh my.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 August, 2017, 04:23:08 PM
Okay complete Dante in Hardback has my interest. Can I ask how big are the vplumes (dimensions rather than page count)? Do we know? I seem to recall from the nega collection they are normal 2000ad trade size? Couldn't spot it on the website.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
If they're the same as the Dredd books, they will be about 1cm shorter and 0.5cm deeper than Rebellion softbacks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 August, 2017, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 04:21:02 PM
I may have pushed things recently by buying several large boxes of Marvel reprints on eBay (I mean some were just too good to turn down – 31 issues of Mighty World of Marvel for a fiver), having about 50 books in my office that I still haven't read, and through us lacking the space, even in an extended house. I do at least only get one partwork. (I bought the first 60 issues of the Marvel one on eBay, but then re-sold them at no loss. And I got the first issue of the Transformers one, but the repro was so appalling, I stopped right there. I've since seen scans of subsequent issues and, well, oh my.)

I get you. I bought the complete collection of Planet of The Apes, Marvel UK, including the MWOM issues, for £30, plus the complete run of Dracula Lives for £25. I too bought the first Transformers, despite it being of little interest to me (I was 16 and more into football and girls when it first hit the stands) but, as you mentioned, the repro was awful.
Nearly all of the partworks, bar an issue or two, I don't touch until they have finished. I just like having a large collection of books to read once they have finished.
Weird, I know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 03:39:26 PM
Mostly, I think I'm going to have someone (Matt? Molch-R? Jim?) explain to my wife why there are going to be two card boxes of books dropping through the letterbox every month now, rather than one.

"It's a two-for-the-price-of-one special offer, dear"...?

(Although I haven't told mine yet. It's probably tax-deductible... yeah, that's it! It's research!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 09 August, 2017, 05:27:57 PM
My niece is very excited about this as it means she will be getting a lot of graphic novels from myself, I've always passed on the megazine to her but not 2000ad
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 09 August, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
Wonder if the Chopper character portrait means there'll be a "Chopper stories volume 2" in the 2000ad ultimate collection. Those penned by Ennis.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 09 August, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
As they are doing the 9 Dante books does anyone know the page count as wondering how many issue it would take up
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: Apestrife on 09 August, 2017, 05:29:00 PMWonder if the Chopper character portrait means there'll be a "Chopper stories volume 2" in the 2000ad ultimate collection. Those penned by Ennis.
Isn't pretty much all of Chopper going to be in the MC? However, Midnight Surfer was confirmed to NOT be in the collection, so perhaps that? A book of Dredd classics omitted from the MC run?

Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 09 August, 2017, 05:12:03 PMNearly all of the partworks, bar an issue or two, I don't touch until they have finished. I just like having a large collection of books to read once they have finished.
I'm not sure I'd get away with that. My wife's not thrilled I have piles of magazines in the office (MacFormat and Retro Gamer) I've never read, although I do a Jim with those. (They are viably tax deductible, given that I write for both. Comics... not so much, sadly.)

Quote from: moly on 09 August, 2017, 05:35:16 PMAs they are doing the 9 Dante books does anyone know the page count as wondering how many issue it would take up
Wasn't the suggestion elsewhere that it would be the entire run?

Looking at the 2000 AD shop, there's wiggle room regarding the existing collection, in that three of the books are a lot smaller than the others. The average page count for a ND volume is therefore 200 (which is at the lower end of the JDMC volumes, but seemingly about par for the 2000 AD ones).

Full counts, if anyone cares: 192; 208; 144; 160; 144; 208; 224; 172; 192; 192; 224. Average: 206. (This doesn't count the 'extra' story we got recently, but that'd bump things up by, what, one page, tops, on average?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 09 August, 2017, 05:44:27 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 05:40:16 PM
Isn't pretty much all of Chopper going to be in the MC? However, Midnight Surfer was confirmed to NOT be in the collection, so perhaps that? A book of Dredd classics omitted from the MC run?

Wasn't it Un-american grafitti that'd get left out, but later hinted at still being somewhere else in the collection?

When I asked on the fb page about them possible omitting everything after Song of the surfer, I was told that The Big Meg was still getting collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 09 August, 2017, 05:49:07 PM
Cheers indigoprime that's a big chunk out of 80 volumes but very happy they are doing the full run
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 09 August, 2017, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 09 August, 2017, 03:35:40 PM
The worst thing here for me is that the only book of Dante I've not got is the second Tsar wars. So- do I let all my current trades go and get the UC versions or just pick up the UC edition that runs those issues?

Me too, though I think it's the first volume of Tsar Wars I don't have. Dilemma, though I'm not sure I'd want to buy 9 volumes of it at £10 a pop.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: Apestrife on 09 August, 2017, 05:44:27 PMWasn't it Un-american grafitti that'd get left out, but later hinted at still being somewhere else in the collection?
ARGH – yes, you're right.

QuoteI was told that The Big Meg was still getting collected.
I didn't mind that one. And even the Ennis follow-up wasn't too bad. That Supersurf 13 dreck though (McKenzie?)... urgh.

Quote from: Southstreeter on 09 August, 2017, 06:56:52 PMMe too, though I think it's the first volume of Tsar Wars I don't have. Dilemma, though I'm not sure I'd want to buy 9 volumes of it at £10 a pop.
Sell the others on eBay first?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JLC on 09 August, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
Will there be any Indigo Prime?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: moly on 09 August, 2017, 05:35:16 PMAs they are doing the 9 Dante books does anyone know the page count as wondering how many issue it would take up
Wasn't the suggestion elsewhere that it would be the entire run?

Matt very specifically said the complete Nikolai Dante. Also, a complete collection of Cabballistics, with a bit of Absalom thrown in to round out the page count. Plus, a complete collection of the Abnett/Harrison Durham Red in three (I think) volumes, which I'm sure will look amazing in a hardcover on decent paper.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 August, 2017, 07:10:08 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
If they're the same as the Dredd books, they will be about 1cm shorter and 0.5cm deeper than Rebellion softbacks.

Cool - thank you. Man that makes the Dante issues at least pretty tempting... if only the size was... yes, yes I'm being greedy!

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Also, a complete collection of Cabballistics...

But is that possible... snark snark...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 09 August, 2017, 07:20:19 PM

I wonder how they are going to release Nikolai Dante, currently books 4,5 and 7 are the only one's out of print, and will be the most desirable. It's a nightmare only be able to get 8 out of 11 of the books.
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 August, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Quote from: geronimo on 07 August, 2017, 10:51:09 AM
I assume the figurines will be the Doctor Who or Marvel sized, as per usual. Bloody expensive if they are, and no Slaine!!!! maybe there is more to come if the collection is extended.

How big is that? Hard to tell from those pictures.

I think I'm out though - I don't have the (any) space, I've got almost all of it in prog form, I preferred the old free gifts and I got the first four books free anyway. Still, they are nice volumes ... oh for a man-cave!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: judgerufian on 09 August, 2017, 09:22:19 PM
After trawling through the website of the collection and 30 pages of forum chat, is there no definite list of any of the volumes beyond the first 5? I'dlike to know what im actually going to be subscribing to before i part with 800 quid...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 09 August, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: judgerufian on 09 August, 2017, 09:22:19 PM
After trawling through the website of the collection and 30 pages of forum chat, is there no definite list of any of the volumes beyond the first 5? I'dlike to know what im actually going to be subscribing to before i part with 800 quid...!

They don't release a full list, unfortunately. Just as they come out. Though we know we're getting the full Nikolai Dante, which is 8/9 of the books. We can also assume we'll get all of Nemesis and Slaine. Beyond that; anybody's guess really. Only Tharg knows.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 09 August, 2017, 10:11:28 PM
You can add Abnett/Harrison Durham Red and complete Caballistics Inc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 09 August, 2017, 11:05:48 PM
And a Skizz/DR & Quinch volume
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 09 August, 2017, 11:16:50 PM
Wouldn't the complete Slaine be an awful lot of books?

Dante makes sense as its a complete story that pretty quickly became about moving the chess pieces around the board and tough if you hadn't read the prior moves. Slaine? Lots of that is stand alone material. One book per period would be more than enough (B&W, Bisley, Langley, Davis)

Jim - I think the Durham Red was 3 volumes (ie series) in one Book - its 37 issues of material so around 222 pages. Matt said something along the lines of 'that'll be one nice book'.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: judgerufian on 10 August, 2017, 12:21:01 AM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 09 August, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: judgerufian on 09 August, 2017, 09:22:19 PM
After trawling through the website of the collection and 30 pages of forum chat, is there no definite list of any of the volumes beyond the first 5? I'dlike to know what im actually going to be subscribing to before i part with 800 quid...!

They don't release a full list, unfortunately. Just as they come out. Though we know we're getting the full Nikolai Dante, which is 8/9 of the books. We can also assume we'll get all of Nemesis and Slaine. Beyond that; anybody's guess really. Only Tharg knows.

Cheers all
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 August, 2017, 02:56:26 AM
and also hewligans haircut with sooner or later
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 10 August, 2017, 07:09:24 AM
Quote from: BPP on 09 August, 2017, 11:16:50 PM
Jim - I think the Durham Red was 3 volumes (ie series) in one Book - its 37 issues of material so around 222 pages. Matt said something along the lines of 'that'll be one nice book'.

Ah. Brilliant -- ta!
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 10 August, 2017, 07:21:27 AM
Finally got around to this week's thrill cast - Matt's enthusiasm for this collection is really quite infectious. Very excited for this launch now


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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 10 August, 2017, 08:09:18 AM

The full Nikolai Dante is music to my ears. Though, how many books are being released per month? I could potentially be waiting a long time for them to be released.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 10 August, 2017, 08:16:15 AM
Two issues a month so just over 3 years for the set
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Skullmo on 10 August, 2017, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: marko10174 on 10 August, 2017, 08:09:18 AM

The full Nikolai Dante is music to my ears. Though, how many books are being released per month? I could potentially be waiting a long time for them to be released.

Really hope they release them in reading order
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 09:38:56 AM
Quote from: BPP on 09 August, 2017, 11:16:50 PMWouldn't the complete Slaine be an awful lot of books?
It would. My estimate is 12–13. You could reorder some of classic Sláine and end up with eight volumes at ~220 pages each. Then assuming two new Sláine volumes per book, you have another four to take you through to Psychopomp. Then Book of Scars needs to go somewhere.

I suppose with Sláine, it depends on what people would need to get the best of the strip. Frankly, they could probably skip from Horned God to Book of Invasions, along with omitting Scars, and not really miss much. (That would then be, what, six books?) But you must also be mindful that Sláine is undoubtedly one of 2000 AD's big hitters. It makes sense for his exploits to take up a fairly big chunk of the collection.

Quote from: Skullmo on 10 August, 2017, 09:11:49 AMReally hope they release them in reading order
Wasn't there another post here that said this would be the case? Frankly, it's inexcusable if they don't with continuity-heavy strips. I get that hook, in wanting people to continue with the partwork, but that already happens by providing series piecemeal anyway (and the books being released 'out of order'). There's no need to go for the reader-hostile route of: "You already have parts 5, 8 and 2 of Dante, and so here's part... 7! Part 1? Oh, you'll get that next year."

As I recall, the Marvel partwork dealt with this reasonably well, in terms of multi-volume books (although they are fewer in number, and based around arcs rather than characters). The Transformers one doesn't care in the slightest (which given the continuity hell within that strip – or set of strips – will be 'interesting' for those collecting it).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 10:07:34 AM
I just had a go at compiling my ideal line-up, and it's basically impossible to fit into 80 books, which says a lot for the quality of 2000 AD's output. (I got it down to 86, with some omissions that probably wouldn't go down terribly well here). One thing that sprang to mind, though, is that the following work rather nicely:

Peter Milligan does 2000 AD (Hewligan's Haircut, Sooner or Later, Tribal memories. The Dead): one book
John Smith (Cradlegrave, Leatherjack, Firekind, Revere ): two books of material

It'd be lovely to find some of those tucked away later in the series, when it's gone subs-only (rather than still being drive quite a lot by newsstand).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 10 August, 2017, 10:26:22 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 10:07:34 AM

Peter Milligan does 2000 AD (Hewligan's Haircut, Sooner or Later, Tribal memories. The Dead) Bix Barton: one book

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 10 August, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 10:07:34 AM
Peter Milligan does 2000 AD (Hewligan's Haircut, Sooner or Later, Tribal memories. The Dead): one book
John Smith (Cradlegrave, Leatherjack, Firekind, Revere ): two books of material

Lawks, those would be among the greatest comic book collections ever assembled. Especially the Smith. I presume this is in addition to the Bad Company, Indigo Prime and Tyranny Rex volumes? And what about Swifty's Return?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 10 August, 2017, 10:44:39 AMLawks, those would be among the greatest comic book collections ever assembled. Especially the Smith. I presume this is in addition to the Bad Company, Indigo Prime and Tyranny Rex volumes? And what about Swifty's Return?
In my list o' wishes, Swifty's Return 'is' Sooner or Later (as in, within that page count). I had Indigo Prime down for two volumes (although that would need some filler) and Tyranny Rex for one. Bad Company I only included up to the end of the original b+w run (i.e. before that weird colour one, and omitting any of the more recent stuff).

But, yeah, given that some of the John Smith stuff hasn't been collected bar in floppies/Extreme Editions, I'd especially love to see Firekind in this collection (and Revere also, although I realise that one's divisive). And the Milligan stuff, too.
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 10 August, 2017, 12:17:35 PM
Just want to take a moment to blame this collection for my upcoming bankruptcy. Re-started both my monthly Prog/Meg subscription and my Mega Collection subscription because I've got a bit more disposable than I did back in March, and I'm fully back aboard the 2000AD wagon. Dammit.


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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mute77 on 10 August, 2017, 01:10:54 PM
So torn with the new collections. The dredd partworks was easier to dismiss because i'd gone down the case files route but a complete Dante and Bad Co in hardcover are very tempting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 10 August, 2017, 01:37:04 PM
ABC Warriors with the colour centre spreads like the mek files.It looks like 9 volumes for those.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
Yeah. 700 pages of Langley-illustrated ABC Warriors so far, so that's at least three books. About the same of classic-era. Then solo missions – although Deadlock would probably be better welded on to the end of Nemesis. Ro-Busters, if complete, would likely be two books (as per the hardbacks).
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 10 August, 2017, 01:59:03 PM
I'm probably the minority here, but I hope this collection does follow the complete run route for the characters it features. I wouldn't want half of ABC Warriors, then need to pick up some random trades/phone books for the rest.
I'd prefer a smaller character selection with longer storylines.


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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 11:23:26 AMI'd especially love to see Firekind in this collection
Although, on the basis of what's in the podcast, it presumably won't be. Rats.

(Matt mentions mainly going for big characters, and collections that fit within the page count demands, which are apparently 200–250. Ampney Crucis and Stickleback have been mentioned as modern strips to balance the big guns out. Double bills have been used in some cases, as already noted, for shorter series – although not Firekind in this initial run.)
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Skullmo on 10 August, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 10 August, 2017, 01:59:03 PM
I'm probably the minority here, but I hope this collection does follow the complete run route for the characters it features. I wouldn't want half of ABC Warriors, then need to pick up some random trades/phone books for the rest.
I'd prefer a smaller character selection with longer storylines.


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I personally will pick up the books that have not been reprinted before. I would love to have a collection of ABC Warriors Black hole that had better scans than the ones used in the Mek Files - which was very poor.
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 10 August, 2017, 03:41:42 PM
As a whole, the repro in the Mega Collection was pretty great. Can't think of any terrible examples off-hand, so hoping this series will match/exceed that


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Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Skullmo on 10 August, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 10 August, 2017, 03:41:42 PM
As a whole, the repro in the Mega Collection was pretty great. Can't think of any terrible examples off-hand, so hoping this series will match/exceed that


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There were a lot of issues with the total war and day of chaos volumes, I still dont have one with blurring in it. A lot of the earlier art had bleaching issues in the scan - the linework in Father earth springs  to mind.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 03:54:22 PM
I'd say the majority of issues in the JDMC had repro that could be considered good or better. Some older coloured strips had moire, but not to the degree Rebellion content used to (that first Swimming in Blood – *shudder*), and a few b+w strips clearly need some kind of re-scan. But, again, if you want to stare truly terrible repro in the face, take a look at the eye-openingly appalling mess IDW made of Marvel-era Transformers.
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 August, 2017, 04:40:18 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 10 August, 2017, 12:17:35 PM
Just want to take a moment to blame this collection for my upcoming bankruptcy. Re-started both my monthly Prog/Meg subscription and my Mega Collection subscription because I've got a bit more disposable than I did back in March, and I'm fully back aboard the 2000AD wagon. Dammit.


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That's how it works, see.  They offer you the odd prog to get you interested, then a monthly meg ...

The next thing you know you're mainlining partworks and OD'ing on the Cursed Earth saga in Welsh!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Skullmo on 10 August, 2017, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 03:54:22 PM
I'd say the majority of issues in the JDMC had repro that could be considered good or better. Some older coloured strips had moire, but not to the degree Rebellion content used to (that first Swimming in Blood – *shudder*), and a few b+w strips clearly need some kind of re-scan. But, again, if you want to stare truly terrible repro in the face, take a look at the eye-openingly appalling mess IDW made of Marvel-era Transformers.

Sadly, if I am going to pay £10 for a book I expect the repro to be very good. Falling below that standard just irritates me. Maybe I think £10 is a lot of money, I am not that rich to waste money.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 10 August, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 10 August, 2017, 05:00:37 PM
Maybe I think £10 is a lot of money, I am not that rich to waste money.

It is a lot of money, and your choice not to spend it. But find me a full-colour 200-page hardback of choice comics for less, 100% successful repro or not.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 10 August, 2017, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 10 August, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 10 August, 2017, 05:00:37 PM
Maybe I think £10 is a lot of money, I am not that rich to waste money.

It is a lot of money, and your choice not to spend it. But find me a full-colour 200-page hardback of choice comics for less, 100% successful repro or not.

I agree. It's value for money even if it's not perfect, and what in this life is.
Some of this stuff is 40 years old and wasn't even close to perfect in the original issues.
I'm grateful that this stuff is coming.
Take my money!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 10 August, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 03:54:22 PM
I'd say the majority of issues in the JDMC had repro that could be considered good or better. Some older coloured strips had moire, but not to the degree Rebellion content used to (that first Swimming in Blood – *shudder*), and a few b+w strips clearly need some kind of re-scan. But, again, if you want to stare truly terrible repro in the face, take a look at the eye-openingly appalling mess IDW made of Marvel-era Transformers.

Some of the problems with Swimming in Blood go right back to the original artwork scans. It was huge and multi-layered and we never managed to get a decent scan for several of Sean's amazing pages. *sigh*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 August, 2017, 08:24:25 PM
Yeah, I recall discussing the art at the time (possibly with you, and definitely with Dom Preston). I don't doubt the art caused problems, but, wow, that book was a disaster. Fortunately, technology's moved on to the point even tricky art can often be cleaned up nicely, despite the odd snag here and there. (The Luke Kirby volume still has some moire here and there, but it's mostly subtle, and not throughout the book.)

Still, like I said, you're never going to get perfect retro from old material. I'm just glad Rebellion cares enough about its content to do the best it can, rather than farming out old content to somewhere in India and running the lot through a 'wreck artwork' filter, as appears to have happened with Transformers. (I mean, seriously; if you're going to 'update' the art, don't obliterate the fine details, make the result look like it was coloured and inked by a child, and – for an encore – realise the text is often broken, and therefore litter the result with typos.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 10 August, 2017, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 10 August, 2017, 05:00:37 PM
Maybe I think £10 is a lot of money, I am not that rich to waste money.

Ah c'mon Julius, sure you use Bolland original art to light your cigars.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Davgardo on 11 August, 2017, 08:32:54 AM
There was a debate on the MC thread about repro so I won't re-open that can of worms here! Generally however, the repro was good, especially when treated to colour spreads (of which there seemed to be no pattern: sometimes we got 'em and sometime we didn't). Occasionally it WAS poor though: The Haunting of Sector House 9 was probably the worst, while others like Engram and Return of Rico bleached out the finer details.
Early Slaine reproduced to a good standard would be glorious - yes I'm looking at you Sky Chariots!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 11 August, 2017, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Davgardo on 11 August, 2017, 08:32:54 AM
Early Slaine reproduced to a good standard would be glorious - yes I'm looking at you Sky Chariots!

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 11 August, 2017, 01:57:29 PM
If you raise any queries with subscription department and you then get a phone call from a South African call centre, that's them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 11 August, 2017, 04:35:43 PM
Subscriber number finally accepted, and direct debit set up.

Excited as I'm finally going to catch up on the likes of Dante, Stickleback etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 11 August, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
Has anyone who signed up for the trial been able to register with the trial sub number or been emailed with new details
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 11 August, 2017, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: moly on 11 August, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
Has anyone who signed up for the trial been able to register with the trial sub number or been emailed with new details
Judging by my experience with telephone support today you want your account details to show your delivery address as the same as your billing address in every detail, including lower and upper case letters. Then try adding the sub number again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 11 August, 2017, 10:46:10 PM
Cheers Eamonn
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 12 August, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
Bugger just realised the massive book case I brought for the judge dredd mega collection and assorted 2000ad, statues, figures etc etc isn't going to cut the mustard with this new collection oh well back to ikea, can just imagine my wife reaction :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 12 August, 2017, 07:57:55 PM
The making of Boo Cooks' Ultimate Collection Spine is on 2000AD Covers Uncovered. It's amazing the effort that something like this requires. His account of it is hilarious and horrifying in equal measure! You can read it here: http://2000ad.com/post/2113 (http://2000ad.com/post/2113)

(http://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/1d/89.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 12 August, 2017, 10:23:04 PM
Not only the most flawlessly amazing single piece of comics art I've seen in many, many years, but also the best ever Covers Uncovered entry. Double congrats! 

I would never have thought a spine image could make me want to subscribe to something so ultimately expensive, but this one does.  Bravo Boo.

(Feek's friends are ugh-bugs, are they not?) 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 13 August, 2017, 08:25:46 AM
That's very very cool. I love Boo's colouring.

Also on the Hachette mock-ups it looked like all their feet were cut-off in order to have the book title on the spine. Really hoping this is just an unfortunate mock-up that is not scaled properly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 13 August, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
I adore this little sequence, Dante getting his arse felt by Ro-Jaws while he stops Nemesis from killing Stickleback:

(https://s23.postimg.org/lqbqaytnf/IMG_1828.jpg)

What I'm keen to see, however, is what issue will get that prominent pile of shit from the bottom left on the spines. Will it be the Space Girls reprint? The Millar Robohunter issue? Junker?  :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 13 August, 2017, 11:27:56 AM
it's a truly amazing piece of work and a fascinating insight into its creation. Thanks Boo and Pete.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 13 August, 2017, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 13 August, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
I adore this little sequence, Dante getting his arse felt by Ro-Jaws while he stops Nemesis from killing Stickleback:

(https://s23.postimg.org/lqbqaytnf/IMG_1828.jpg)

What I'm keen to see, however, is what issue will get that prominent pile of shit from the bottom left on the spines. Will it be the Space Girls reprint? The Millar Robohunter issue? Junker?  :lol:

I'm thinking Space Girls, Soul Sisters & Dead Men Walking in one tome - maybe throw B.L.A.I.R. 1 on top of this bonfire of my vanities...  ;)

davidbishop
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 13 August, 2017, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 13 August, 2017, 11:33:22 AM
I'm thinking Space Girls, Soul Sisters & Dead Men Walking in one tome - maybe throw B.L.A.I.R. 1 on top of this bonfire of my vanities...  ;)

davidbishop

You're way too hard on yourself, y'know. Dead Men Walking was loads of fun, and your other contributions to the Prog/Meg/Books (Fiends, Savage Amusement, Cursed Earth Asylum, Silencer, Bad Moon Rising, Straight-jacket Fits, to name but a few) have been mostly fantastic*. Especially the novels.
And, y'know, you helped save the fucking prog!

Seriously, big yourself up for once! You've earned it!





*That said, Space Girls was utter shit  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 August, 2017, 12:29:48 PM
https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1852317801763210?comment_id=1852402051754785&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

The Facebook page has been forthcoming with complete details on the Nikolai Dante books - they are volumes 1-9. I will let you follow the link to see the issue numbers, but they too are in chronological l order rather than the typical partwork nonsense.

What this does mean though is that the Stront issue coming early on may well be first of those, and as it is volume 11 there's not exactly a lot of room for a complete run of SD. Maybe they are going for colour content over b/w.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 August, 2017, 12:41:40 PM
PS I also asked about BAD Company - https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1850963138565343?comment_id=1852390945089229&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
Quote
You'll be happy to hear that Bad Company Vol 1 & 2 will feature in the collection! Issues 33 and 50, Volumes 52 and 53.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 14 August, 2017, 12:48:36 PM
Other information in answers to questions on the Facebook page as follows:

No plans for Red Seas, Indigo Prime, Tyranny Rex or the Ten Seconders at present

Ampney Crucis is issue 68, stickleback issue 46, one of these is volume 65

Agreed regarding Strontium Dog, hopefully it will include some of the classic B&W stories like Outlaw & Rage. Also wondering what Rogue & Slaine will be included and whether Nemesis will be a complete run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
No Red Seas isn't a surprise, given the presumably less than stellar sales of two attempts at the strip in the Rebellion trades. Indigo Prime's omission is a blow though – not least the superb and beautifully weird Killing Time. I wonder if there will be any John Smith series in this, then? (Matt said on the podcast Firekind's not in there.)

I suppose Boo's art provides an indication of the bulk of what we can expect:

(L-to-R) Tharg and dictators of Zrag; Dredd; Strontium Dog; Robo-Hunter; ABC Warriors; Nikolai Dante; Stickleback; Nemesis the Warlock; Skizz; Durham Red; Rogue Trooper; Bill Savage (so Invasion and/or Savage); Shakara; Ampney Crucis; Caballistics; Kingdom; Sinister Dexter; Slain; Zombo; Ace Trucking; Halo Jones; DR & Quinch; Bad Company.

Also: good to see: 1) they're being forthcoming about what is and isn't in there (after all, why not be?), and; 2) they've gone for chronological release order for Nikolai Dante. Here's hoping they do the same for other series. (But, man, issue 77 for the last Nikolai Dante book. SO FAR AWAY!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2017, 01:25:04 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 01:06:58 PM

Also: good to see: 1) they're being forthcoming about what is and isn't in there (after all, why not be?), and; 2) they've gone for chronological release order for Nikolai Dante. Here's hoping they do the same for other series. (But, man, issue 77 for the last Nikolai Dante book. SO FAR AWAY!)

Yeah but if they are good (I'm a little nervous about the size) only having to wait 2 years (I think) to have a full hardcover collection of Dante is pretty bloomin' cool.

Thanks for the link to the Dante issue numbers Tomwe I'm gonna have to try really hard to make sure I get these if the first one turns out okay... quite excited by the prospect.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2017, 01:25:04 PM
Yeah but if they are good (I'm a little nervous about the size) only having to wait 2 years (I think) to have a full hardcover collection of Dante is pretty bloomin' cool.

Your sums are a bit off there Pete, sorry force of habit, Colin: at 26 volumes a year, Issue 77 is three years away. The year of hindsight.

Sorry that Red Seas isn't in there (I can understand why, but still), but no Firekind nor Indigo Prime...  that really is a pity.  The Bagwell IP series alone would justify inclusion, never mind what wonders came before.  Still, I'm assuming Cradlegrave made the cut: there are tough choices and then there is madness.
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 14 August, 2017, 01:53:58 PM
Glad they've split Dante equally over the run. Gives me something to excited for.

Though I do wish they'd just release the series list.


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Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2017, 01:25:04 PM(I'm a little nervous about the size)
in what way? Page sizes are only fractionally shorter than a standard trade. But also the books are really sturdy. (A lot of my Rebellion paperbacks have now warped, from being stood on end for years.)

Quote from: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 01:53:09 PMno Firekind nor Indigo Prime...  that really is a pity
From what Matt was saying on the podcast, the series is mostly about major players, with the odd other volume for a taste of other things. And although there are some double-bills, they seem to have been reserved for relative heavy hitters (Skizz/DR & Quinch). A Smith volume would have been lovely, but there you go. (And no Indigo Prime at all is such a shame. Still, if it extends beyond 80 issues...)

QuoteI'm assuming Cradlegrave made the cut: there are tough choices and then there is madness.
I don't recall it being mentioned either way, but I wouldn't hold my breath, given the comment – made several times – that decisions were often down to fitting page count (200–250). So Cradlegrave would have to be part of a book with a bunch of other stuff (some kind of horror volume, perhaps). I'd happily buy that, obv.

Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 14 August, 2017, 01:53:58 PMThough I do wish they'd just release the series list.
Likewise. I imagine the publisher likes surprising people now and again or assumes people would be less likely to take a punt on seeing what is/isn't in the series. Honestly, I'm still on the fence because of knowing more, rather than less. The podcast, if anything, put me off of subscribing, because I found more stuff I don't care for in the mix, and things I'd loved to have seen confirmed as omitted. For others, it'll be the other way around. But, yeah, knowing what your investment of 800 quid is going to get you would be nice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 14 August, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
Personally I'm happy to go ahead with this without knowing exactly what is and isn't going to be included. I quite like the element of surprise.
Whatever happens there'll certainly be plenty of stuff I like and a good amount of stuff that I don't.
Then again, stuff that I haven't previously enjoyed in the prog sometimes reads better in one go.
As a 'best of' collection I'm happy to have a taste of various strips without having series collected in full. What's the point of taking up 5 volumes with Strontium Dog when this stuff is already in print? As for things like RoboHunter - I'd be more than happy to leave it at Verdus with possibly a couple of the Hogan stories and the first Samantha Slade strip.
Rogue Trooper could comfortably fit in two volumes for me (perhaps even one) and that includes War Machine.

I guess we can all be armchair editors but I'm generally happy to pay 10 quid an issue for a hardback collection.
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 August, 2017, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 02:11:47 PM
Still, if it extends beyond 80 issues...)
Having just plugged the info into a sheet to work out the dates I'm slightly reeling at the prospect of waiting until Summer 2020 for any extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 02:43:53 PM
I wonder how it will handle Sinister Dexter?  Picking and choosing from that one never seems to pay off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 14 August, 2017, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 02:43:53 PM
I wonder how it will handle Sinister Dexter?  Picking and choosing from that one never seems to pay off.

I doubt we'll ever see a complete collection. I'm not sure how many pages the larger 'event' stories take up but I'd like to see these included with some of the better one offs as filler.
As Sin/Dex isn't available already I'd be happy to devote a few volumes to it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 03:12:34 PM
It'd be nice if we got at least two.  You could (I think) do Eurocrash and Downlode Tales in one volumed (something around 210 pages), but it you could fit maybe 25 carerfully-selected episodes in ahead of Eurocrash in the first volume, and then run Downlode tales and another 20 in after that.  That'd give a nice flavour of one-offs and continuity events.   That's probably the best you could do: there's just too much of it, something like 160 individual stories, a lot of them one-episodes, but plenty of them longer, and more still key elements in definite arcs.  Of course the recent Meg floppies might hint at the easy availability of everything running from Downlode Tales to the War of the Moses.

Anyone have an overall page count in their head/spreadsheet/headsheet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 14 August, 2017, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 14 August, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
I guess we can all be armchair editors but I'm generally happy to pay 10 quid an issue for a hardback collection.

I'll probably pick and choose, but I agree. If one pays around £15.00 for a hardback comic collection / GN,  that would be in the lower price range. £10 is an absolute bargain. Not one that we can all afford but then with the back issue option one can order when they're able.

That's what my plans were for the Megacollection, and I'm way behind there. I actually subscribed for the first bunch of volumes (thus getting the free gifts, too, etc) then cancelled when money was tight and ordered on occasion or grabbed a volume from FP when I was that way.

I'm sort of tempted to do the same with this, but I'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 14 August, 2017, 03:13:24 PMI'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
My brain cannot process that sentence.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 14 August, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 14 August, 2017, 03:13:24 PMI'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
My brain cannot process that sentence.

Heh. I thought I'd get a response like that.

The art and creature designs are great. I just never got much from the stories, (or general lack thereof)  although that improved later.

I. E. Lots of Aliens gang up on one. He kills them all and shouts his name a lot.
Repeat

It's strange as I generally like most stuff others like and dislike, and I don't hate Shakara, to be fair. I just didn't find much there story-wise.

To be fair, maybe a volume might change that perception.
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2017, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2017, 01:25:04 PM(I'm a little nervous about the size)
in what way? Page sizes are only fractionally shorter than a standard trade. But also the books are really sturdy. (A lot of my Rebellion paperbacks have now warped, from being stood on end for years.)


I always worry about size... but then that could just be a personal hang up!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Davgardo on 14 August, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
I'm aware that I'm going to get it in the neck here but ... doesn't anyone else feel that in an 80 volume 2000ad collection (before extensions) that devoting 9 volumes (>10%) to one character seems a bit excessive?
(Ducks)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 August, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: Davgardo on 14 August, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
I'm aware that I'm going to get it in the neck here but ... doesn't anyone else feel that in an 80 volume 2000ad collection (before extensions) that devoting 9 volumes (>10%) to one character seems a bit excessive?

You know what? Yes. It is.

BUT almost more than any Tooth series, Dante is all about the long-form beginning-middle-end narrative. It's just madness to collect it any other way. Plus, well, it's one of the jewels in Tharg's crown.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 14 August, 2017, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 14 August, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 14 August, 2017, 03:13:24 PMI'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
My brain cannot process that sentence.

Heh. I thought I'd get a response like that.

The art and creature designs are great. I just never got much from the stories, (or general lack thereof)  although that improved later.

I. E. Lots of Aliens gang up on one. He kills them all and shouts his name a lot.
Repeat

It's strange as I generally like most stuff others like and dislike, and I don't hate Shakara, to be fair. I just didn't find much there story-wise.

To be fair, maybe a volume might change that perception.

That's a fair appraisal based on the first book - it's pretty much the first couple of Nemesis stories remixed for a whole volume.

Mysterious alien in funky spaceship crops up, causes mayhem, says one word and then fucks off again...

Thankfully it did develop beyond that in the remaining books.

Shame sales of the first hardback didn't justify doing the rest at that size.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 04:17:17 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 14 August, 2017, 04:09:05 PMThat's a fair appraisal based on the first book - it's pretty much the first couple of Nemesis stories remixed for a whole volume.
That's how I took it too – and it felt very 2000 AD. Sure, it's lightweight in terms of plot, but I don't mind that now and again, and I'm happy to see it's going to show up in this collection.

Quote from: Davgardo on 14 August, 2017, 03:40:06 PMI'm aware that I'm going to get it in the neck here but ... doesn't anyone else feel that in an 80 volume 2000ad collection (before extensions) that devoting 9 volumes (>10%) to one character seems a bit excessive?
For me, it depends on various factors, including the actual character, and the nature of the strip. With 2000 AD, remove Dredd and you've arguably a handful of standout major strips, of which Dante is one of them. Most importantly, hack out bits of that strip and it makes no sense, in a manner that's rarely true for anything else 2000 AD has run. (In fact, are there any other major strips that couldn't be heavily abbreviated? Perhaps Nemesis? Certainly, you could remove big chunks of Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper, Sláine, Sinister Dexter, ABC Warriors, etc., and lose little from an ongoing narrative standpoint.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 14 August, 2017, 04:36:23 PM
I would really like a complete 'Sinister Dexter' collection (with no omissions) either in this Ultimate Collection or under Rebellion's own releases. It's a great strip in my opinion and more worthy of being collected than a lot of those that seem to make it to reprint. Maybe one day...?
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 14 August, 2017, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 14 August, 2017, 04:36:23 PM
I would really like a complete 'Sinister Dexter' collection (with no omissions) either in this Ultimate Collection or under Rebellion's own releases. It's a great strip in my opinion and more worthy of being collected than a lot of those that seem to make it to reprint. Maybe one day...?

They reprinted a large amount of it recently (within the last year) as bag-ins with the Meg, though I can see the appeal for proper trades


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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 04:53:41 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if they do a Red Seas with that eventually, and do massive digital trades. I'll be bloody amazed if we ever see a complete run in print though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 14 August, 2017, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 14 August, 2017, 03:56:38 PM

You know what? Yes. It is.

BUT almost more than any Tooth series, Dante is all about the long-form beginning-middle-end narrative. It's just madness to collect it any other way. Plus, well, it's one of the jewels in Tharg's crown.

I couldn't agree more with this assessment on both counts. As a lapsed reader who missed everything from prog 900 - 1600 this story really stood head and shoulders above the rest. I hope this leads to loads of lapsed readers having the same experience I did, of realising they really missed something special and now they get to have it all at an affordable price.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jrdd on 14 August, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 03:12:34 PM
It'd be nice if we got at least two.  You could (I think) do Eurocrash and Downlode Tales in one volumed (something around 210 pages), but it you could fit maybe 25 carerfully-selected episodes in ahead of Eurocrash in the first volume, and then run Downlode tales and another 20 in after that.  That'd give a nice flavour of one-offs and continuity events.   That's probably the best you could do: there's just too much of it, something like 160 individual stories, a lot of them one-episodes, but plenty of them longer, and more still key elements in definite arcs.  Of course the recent Meg floppies might hint at the easy availability of everything running from Downlode Tales to the War of the Moses.

Anyone have an overall page count in their head/spreadsheet/headsheet?

Hmm... the perfect excuse to post an updated version of my SinDex list!

As for the Ultimate Collection, really pleased to see this happening and to hear the Dredd Mega Collection was so successful.  Dante's a must-buy for me, and Red Seas would've been too.  Tempted to wait and see what they do with SinDex - I already have the pick'n'mix paperbacks from years ago, however if they did a complete run of the 'Moses Wars / Alternative Dimensions' arc that might be tempting - it reads so much better in one go compared to the rather sporadic run it had in the prog.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 07:59:47 PM
I'm a bit full of flu, but I think this is what we know for sure so far:

11 - Strontium Dog: The Kreeler Conspiracy: Issue 4
52 - Bad Company, Vol 1: Issue 33
53 - Bad Company, Vol 2: Issue 50
Alan Moore Future Shocks: Issue ??
All-Star Future Shocks: Issue ??
Ampney Crucis Investigates: Issue 65
Ballad of Halo Jones: Issue 2
Caballistics: Issue ??
Caballistics + Absalom: Issue ??
Durham Red (Abnett): Issue ??
Hewlingan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: Issue ??
Nemesis the Warlock, Vol 1: Issue 5
Nikolai Dante, Vol 1: Issue 8
Nikolai Dante, Vol 2: Issue 12
Nikolai Dante, Vol 3: Issue 19
Nikolai Dante, Vol 4: Issue 35
Nikolai Dante, Vol 5: Issue 53
Nikolai Dante, Vol 6: Issue 62
Nikolai Dante, Vol 7: Issue 69
Nikolai Dante, Vol 8: Issue 74
Nikolai Dante, Vol 9: Issue 77
Shakara: The Avenger: Issue 3
Sláine, The Horned God: Issue 1
Skizz/DR & Quinch: Issue ??
Stickleback: Issue 46

I wonder whether the two Future Shocks volumes will clone the existing Rebellion ones.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: jrdd on 14 August, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
Hmm... the perfect excuse to post an updated version of my SinDex list!

Aaaand now this is Downloded, the city that never met a nerdsheet it didn't like.

Great stuff, but caramba senor!, over 400 episodes, nearly 2200 pages: that's moving into Cerebus territory. Soooo many puns....

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 09:05:42 PM
In the context of the partwork, that's, what, nine or ten books to cover the entire lot? (Which suggests it's not going to happen.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 14 August, 2017, 09:11:46 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 14 August, 2017, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 14 August, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 August, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 14 August, 2017, 03:13:24 PMI'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
My brain cannot process that sentence.

Heh. I thought I'd get a response like that.

The art and creature designs are great. I just never got much from the stories, (or general lack thereof)  although that improved later.

I. E. Lots of Aliens gang up on one. He kills them all and shouts his name a lot.
Repeat

It's strange as I generally like most stuff others like and dislike, and I don't hate Shakara, to be fair. I just didn't find much there story-wise.

To be fair, maybe a volume might change that perception.

That's a fair appraisal based on the first book - it's pretty much the first couple of Nemesis stories remixed for a whole volume.

Mysterious alien in funky spaceship crops up, causes mayhem, says one word and then fucks off again...

Thankfully it did develop beyond that in the remaining books.

Shame sales of the first hardback didn't justify doing the rest at that size.

I thought Shakara was okay, but really couldn't understand all the people saying it was like Nemesis for a new generation - as has been mentioned, it's like one early episode of Nemesis with less dialogue and stretched out over many more episodes.  Thankfully the creators involved have done much more engaging work since.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2017, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: jrdd on 14 August, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
Hmm... the perfect excuse to post an updated version of my SinDex list!

Aaaand now this is Downloded, the city that never met a nerdsheet it didn't like.

Great stuff, but caramba senor!, over 400 episodes, nearly 2200 pages: that's moving into Cerebus territory. Soooo many puns....

Wow I've never seen that before - that's a thing of wonder.

While its impressive its not quite Cerebus territory ... yet... 2200 pages is about 110 Cerebus issues, over a third and over half of the stuff I love (really love)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
Getting there though - Cerebus is 6000 pages, including the Reads bits and caption/quote pages- as Colin says,  over 1/3 of the way there - for  a gag strip based on Pulp Fiction, it's doing a decent impression of a gag strip based on Conan.  Go Dan, go!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 15 August, 2017, 10:59:05 AM
woot subscribed! :) ummed and ahed but in the end free gifts got me  :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 August, 2017, 11:32:17 AM
Getting some more hard numbers on the classics from FB:
10 Strontium Dog (though it's also been broken into 7 & 3 so likely 7 Alpha plus Durham Red and maybe Feral etc?)
4 ABC Warriors plus 2 Volgon War
5 Rogue Trooper
4 Nemesis

Just need to ask about Slaine now!
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 15 August, 2017, 12:04:48 PM
I think they've stopped giving up info to me 😂 they said today they don't want to give it all away! Ha


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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 August, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
Reckoning with the help of Barney, Nemesis' total page count, including in-continuity stories like Comic Rock and Torquemada the God, adds up to just over 700. The whole thing should fit nicely into 4 volumes then, possibly adding the Diceman stories (1 Nemesis, 1 Torque).

Haven't tried scrambling my brain with what Alpha, Rogue or ABC will feature, any thoughts?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 15 August, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
That sounds like a lot of Rogue Trooper.
Are we assuming this includes Rogue universe stuff like Mercy Heights, Ten Seconders etc?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 15 August, 2017, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 August, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
Getting there though - Cerebus is 6000 pages, including the Reads bits and caption/quote pages- as Colin says,  over 1/3 of the way there - for  a gag strip based on Pulp Fiction, it's doing a decent impression of a gag strip based on Conan.  Go Dan, go!


Hmm, does that mean we're coming up to the nervous breakdown / schizophrenic episode / haemorrhaging readership era?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 August, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 15 August, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
That sounds like a lot of Rogue Trooper.
Are we assuming this includes Rogue universe stuff like Mercy Heights, Ten Seconders etc?
You'd need seven or eight books to collect just the four phone book Rebellion volumes, so this is cherry picking. Here's hoping it'll include War Machine, Cinnebar, and synopses.

EDIT: Actual counts of in-print RTverse are:

Tales of Nu-Earth: 1488
War Machine: 96
86ers: 144
Jaegir: 130

Even the Tales... stuff is six books of content, if everything's reprinted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 15 August, 2017, 02:43:43 PM
Hi all

Quick question: do you think Zenith may make an appearance in the collection?  I'm guessing no, but wanted a more considered opinion from more enlightened folk, before I go ahead and order the recent Titan books.

Many thanks to you all for posting what's coming up in the collection, by the way.  The collection sounds an absolute must (here's to a remastered stand alone volume of ABC Warriors: The Black Hole!)

You've all helped this lapsed Toothy fan to make his mind up about getting back on the ol' 2000ad wagon!

Cheers!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 15 August, 2017, 02:50:22 PM
He's not on the spine so I'm guessing there's no Lloigor in the first 80 volumes. I'd imagine Zenith would be the first thing in a series extension. So pick up the 4 amazing hardcovers now (and slipcase!) or wait nearly 4 years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 August, 2017, 03:03:57 PM
Yeah, it's hard to know for sure, but you imagine he'd have been on the spine if he were included in the initial run.

And more confirmations from Facebook: Luke Kirby and Leviathan are NOT in the collection. (My LK hardback is safe!) Also: when someone asked about three specific characters, Flesh was omitted from the response, so make of that what you will.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 15 August, 2017, 04:44:48 PM
Zenith is 480 pages long, so ripe for 2 x Hachette books.
I agree for a second phase its pretty much a dead cert.
Spreading it across two books also makes good on the promise never to reprint all four phases again 'in this format'.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 15 August, 2017, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 15 August, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 15 August, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
That sounds like a lot of Rogue Trooper.
Are we assuming this includes Rogue universe stuff like Mercy Heights, Ten Seconders etc?
You'd need seven or eight books to collect just the four phone book Rebellion volumes, so this is cherry picking. Here's hoping it'll include War Machine, Cinnebar, and synopses.

EDIT: Actual counts of in-print RTverse are:

Tales of Nu-Earth: 1488
War Machine: 96
86ers: 144
Jaegir: 130

Even the Tales... stuff is six books of content, if everything's reprinted.

Wow, I didn't realise there was so much Rogue!
I'd imagine there's going to be some modern stuff in there as they seem to be prioritising colour stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 August, 2017, 05:04:29 PM
On Rogue, that's only the stuff Rebellion's so far printed in trade paperback form. There's a ton more in the convoluted mess Rogue Trooper became post-War Machine, too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: EDazzling on 15 August, 2017, 05:36:16 PM
Rogue Trooper up to the end of the Traitor General story is 3 ~220 page volumes, which gives you 2 volumes for stuff like Cinnabar, War Machine, Mercy Heights, Rennie, etc. That'd work for me. For the original run, not much after the traitor general is really vital, is it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 August, 2017, 05:38:27 PM
I suspect it'd be pretty easy to take a knife to the early volumes, frankly. There's a lot of filler. And, yeah, after the Traitor General arc, it all goes pear-shaped anyway. Bar some of Rennie's flashbacks, all I've given a monkey's about are War Machine, the IDW Rogue, and some of the spin-offs (notably, Jaegir).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 August, 2017, 05:48:38 PM
Despite some great Steve Dillon art, The Hit was a muddle story-wise. Hopefully we'll see a showcase of the best stories.

10 volumes of Strontium Dog? Will that cover most of it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 15 August, 2017, 06:02:09 PM
Thanks a million to all those who kindly responded.   :)

Will pick up the Titan Zeniths.

And then the Hatchette reprints. 

Obviously.   :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 16 August, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 August, 2017, 09:25:29 AM
Quote from: Neil C on 16 August, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine
Tharg didn't think it too many!
(sorry!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Neil C on 16 August, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine

At 1/5th of the whole collection that seems a bit crazy, when ALL of Slaine is collected in 17(?) volumes, and very nicely too. Allowing for the longer page count of the Hachettes, that has to be pretty much everything up to and including Brutannia. I know Slaine is a big deal for wider awareness of 2000AD, but highlights (and there are many) would have struck me as a better approach.

It certainly decides me firmly against a sub.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 August, 2017, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 August, 2017, 09:25:29 AM
Quote from: Neil C on 16 August, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine
Tharg didn't think it too many!

:lol: How indulgent are those 9 Dante volumes looking now...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Davgardo on 16 August, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
Quote from: Neil C on 16 August, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine

Good Grud! I'd much rather have a couple of volumes of stuff like Leviathan and Red Seas than those murky Steve Tappin and Nick Percival Slaine stories.
This has just confirmed my decision to cherry pick rather than subscribing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 16 August, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
13 volumes of Slaine certainly has me questioning a sub. A couple of books of solid gold, a couple more good ones, but 13? Thats got to be at least 6 books of Clint Langleys talking heads
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: James Stacey on 16 August, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
13 volumes of Slaine certainly has me questioning a sub. A couple of books of solid gold, a couple more good ones, but 13? Thats got to be at least 6 books of Clint Langleys talking heads

I'd say 3 at most. The 5 Langley collections are only about 100 pages each. And most are surprisingly good too.

EDIT: I was forgetting Lord of Misrule (60 pages)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
So:

CONFIRMED

ABC Warriors: 6
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Quinch: 1

=

GUESSWORK

Ace Trucking: 2
Kingdom: 3
Robo-Hunter: 2
Invasion/Savage: 4
Sinister Dexter: 4
Stickleback: 1
Strontium Dog (inc. Durham Red)?: 11
Zombo: 1


EDIT: Above now edited after subsequent posts in this thread.

That's 80. Although that doesn't take into account that we know there will be some Dredd/Anderson content in there. So presumably you can knock back some of those by a book or so.

And, yeah, 13 books of Sláine is a little surprising, given how variable the quality was during that point. (I can't imagine the collection would have lost anything by jumping from Horned God to the Langley stuff, BUT then I imagine Sláine fans might argue the same regarding Nikolai Dante. That said, if all of Sláine is being collected, you'd hope Strontium Dog gets the same treatment, since that one is comparatively remarkably consistent across the run.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
13 Sláine books:

Warrior's Dawn / 200
Time Killer / 176
The King / 256
Horned God / 208
Demon Killer / 160
Lord of Misrule + Treasures of Britain / ~ 256
Grail War / 192
Lord of the Beasts / 256
Book of Invasions 1 + 2 / ~ 230
Book of Invasions 3 + The Wanderer / ~ 250
Book of Scars / 192
Brutania 1 + 2 / ~ 240
Brutania 3 + 4 / ~ 200

Time Killer and Demon Killer may need some padding, or pages to move from, respectively, The King and the Lord of Misrule/Treasures of Britain book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 11:00:14 AM
Playing around with Soulver again, Strontium Dog fits into 11 books if Durham Red isn't in the mix. The Agency Files account for just over 7 big books (1776 pages, on the basis of the original Rebellion trades) and the newer stuff comes in at 836 – just over three books. So muck about with page counts and you're sorted. (You'd only have to move Top Dog to deal with that.)

On that basis, it looks like the collection will be:

All of (or very nearly all of) Strontium Dog, the complete Nikolai Dante, every last drop of Sláine, and probably all of Nemesis – as far as the major non-Dredd characters go. (Thought: was Top Dog in the JD Mega Collection? If so, it wouldn't be included in this one. I don't recall it being in there though.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 16 August, 2017, 11:14:17 AM
 :lol: :lolIf this is successful forget a bigger bookcase think I'll need to bulk an extension to the house
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 16 August, 2017, 11:20:25 AM
I thought it was 7 Johnny Alpha strontium dog books + 3 other which I guess could be 1 Abnett Durham Red, possibly the Ennis/Hogan Strontium Dogs, maybe Middenface standalones?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
13 Sláine books:

Warrior's Dawn / 200
Time Killer / 176
The King / 256
Horned God / 208
Demon Killer / 160
Lord of Misrule + Treasures of Britain / ~ 256
Grail War / 192
Lord of the Beasts / 256
Book of Invasions 1 + 2 / ~ 230
Book of Invasions 3 + The Wanderer / ~ 250
Book of Scars / 192
Brutania 1 + 2 / ~ 240
Brutania 3 + 4 / ~ 200

Time Killer and Demon Killer may need some padding, or pages to move from, respectively, The King and the Lord of Misrule/Treasures of Britain book.

Hmmm, the actual strip material in Book of Scars is only 45 pages,  Carnivale and strip in the Wanderer collection weighs in at 48+96  and the 5 Books of Invasion come in at about 250 including Clint's extra pages in the collections.  So plenty of slack there. Perhaps the Lost Years tales and the Annual stories (currently in Lord of the Beasts collection) could be spread out to pad out (or dilute) other slimmer volumes. Or even some Tales of Telguuth!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 11:38:54 AMHmmm, the actual strip material in Book of Scars is only 45 pages
Really? How the hell did the trade get so chunky, then? (I don't own that one myself.)

But, yeah, plenty of slack – or room in the collection for planned Sláine in the Prog over the coming years. (I notice the Marvel extension's been doing much the same – running reprint a while after standalone trades have hit the shelves, which happens pretty rapidly after the floppies are done. No reason why 2000 AD couldn't do the same if this series does well.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 August, 2017, 11:56:11 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
Although that doesn't take into account that we know there will be some Dredd/Anderson content in there. So
Facebook confirmed three Dredd books, again nothing already in the Mega Collection. So likely some kind of Origin book covering Prog 2 through to Robot wars, then Dark Justice, possibly including the Percival sequel. And maybe Every Empire Falls since it has a 'Death Of Dredd'.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 11:38:54 AMHmmm, the actual strip material in Book of Scars is only 45 pages
Really? How the hell did the trade get so chunky, then? (I don't own that one myself.)

Creators' picks of classic covers, lots of text: 30th anniversary stuff. It's a nice looking book, but it's the only one I don't own either!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 August, 2017, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 11:00:14 AM
(Thought: was Top Dog in the JD Mega Collection? If so, it wouldn't be included in this one. I don't recall it being in there though.)

Top Dog is in the Judgement Day volume, so presumably it won't be included here following the announcement no Dredd stuff will be duplicated.

Quote from: Tomwe on 16 August, 2017, 11:56:11 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
Although that doesn't take into account that we know there will be some Dredd/Anderson content in there. So
Facebook confirmed three Dredd books, again nothing already in the Mega Collection. So likely some kind of Origin book covering Prog 2 through to Robot wars, then Dark Justice, possibly including the Percival sequel. And maybe Every Empire Falls since it has a 'Death Of Dredd'.

I wondered whether Dark Justice might now appear in the MC extension for continuity with the rest of the Death stories. More recent Anderson has also been confirmed for the MC extension. Would the right balance of Dredd stories for this collection be ones where you don't need to know loads of backstory but there are enough references to pique your interest?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 16 August, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
If the phonebooks are replaced completely for Ace and SD then its a fine time to pass them on to others. Likewise Dante.

13 Slaine is way way too much. And I like Slaine.

Have we any indication what size the statues re yet? 1/6 1/8 1/12 ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 16 August, 2017, 12:33:08 PM
I wondered whether Dark Justice might now appear in the MC extension for continuity with the rest of the Death stories.

Also consider its relevance to the PJ Maybe and Day of Chaos volumes. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 16 August, 2017, 12:33:08 PMTop Dog is in the Judgement Day volume, so presumably it won't be included here following the announcement no Dredd stuff will be duplicated.
Ah, yes. It's been a while since I read that volume, and it probably zoomed by me. So that's 30-odd pages gone.

QuoteWould the right balance of Dredd stories for this collection be ones where you don't need to know loads of backstory but there are enough references to pique your interest?
That would seem sensible. In fact, something along the lines of the Mad City volume would work very nicely in the 2000 AD collection. A flavour of Dredd, but not mired in continuity. Possibly also some classic series that won't have got an airing – Graveyard Shift, perhaps?

Quote from: BPP on 16 August, 2017, 12:35:15 PMIf the phonebooks are replaced completely for Ace and SD then its a fine time to pass them on to others. Likewise Dante.
I can't imagine Ace Trucking will be – you'd need, what, four books? I can't imagine there being four books of that series in this collection – at least in the initial run.

Quote13 Slaine is way way too much. And I like Slaine.
It's again got me wavering, and I like most of Sláine too. But then I've bought most of this stuff already. Moreover, this collection isn't really aimed at me anyway – it's aimed at the people I now see on Facebook who've not read this stuff in years, but who are genuinely thrilled about the prospect of getting these volumes for a tenner a pop. (That said: 90 quid for a full, hardback run of Nikolai Dante? No brainer.)

QuoteHave we any indication what size the statues re yet? 1/6 1/8 1/12 ?
I've no idea about scale, but the response on Facebook was that they are approximately 14cm high. (As for the books, they are 360 x 220mm.)

Oh, and one other response that I'm sure will make people happy. We already knew Nikolai Dante would be released in chronological order, and so someone asked about other continuity-heavy series. The reply:

QuoteThey will be released in reading order but not consecutively as other titles will be released in between.
That's really good. Lessons being learned from the Dredd run, and ongoing improvement of the customer experience. Great to see.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 02:08:43 PM
Yep, that's a key thing to remember: we might be disappointed because we have a lot of this stuff several times over, but all that means is that we're not the target market. I might not fancy the complete Slaine (again) in hardback for £130, but for someone who has only read some of it, it could be a hell of a deal.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 02:23:22 PM
Exactly. A typical 200–250-page hardback is going to set you back, what, 20–25 quid? Given the page count, these books are a bargain. 130 quid for the complete Sláine? 90 quid for Nikolai Dante? 100-odd quid for Strontium Dog? Barg.

That said, I really wish there was something on the spines this time round, to list the series. (Stickers time?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 16 August, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 02:23:22 PM

That said, I really wish there was something on the spines this time round, to list the series. (Stickers time?)

Seconded. I'd love a nice set of Dust Jackets just reprinting the existing front and back with a spine to match. But I think the whole unlabelled spine is at the heart of Hachette's mantra.

And that's unfortunately why the books aren't equal in value to their retail equivalent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 16 August, 2017, 05:02:41 PM
They have numbers on the side. Surely you just need a numbered list on the shelf with the books?
I'm sure some friendly person could design a lovely version to put on the wall if need be.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 16 August, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: BPP on 16 August, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
If the phonebooks are replaced completely for Ace and SD then its a fine time to pass them on to others. Likewise Dante.

13 Slaine is way way too much. And I like Slaine.

Have we any indication what size the statues re yet? 1/6 1/8 1/12 ?

About 14cm I think
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 16 August, 2017, 05:02:41 PM
They have numbers on the side. Surely you just need a numbered list on the shelf with the books?
I'm sure some friendly person could design a lovely version to put on the wall if need be.

I just wish there was something. The Marvel books had portraits of the key characters, for example. No reason the 2000 AD books couldn't have done the same. (Wouldn't have worked for Dredd, obv.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 16 August, 2017, 05:28:08 PM
This discussion has made me realise just how much classic stuff I already own. I'm not so much of a completist to double dip, so I think it'll just be pick and mix for me, and filling in the gaps. Looking forward to:
Durham Red, as The Empty Suns has been unavailable since forever
Complete Caballistics - it's always annoyed me that the final two series weren't collected
I probably have enough Slaine (apart from the 90s stuff) and all of Nemesis (Book 1 at least three times) plus all of classic Stront. The only annoying thing for me is Dante - I'm just missing one volume (TS vol 1) and would prefer to plug that gap with the original volume (which will never appear now) rather than a hardback that probably contains a chunk of TS vol 2.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 07:35:41 PM
Ah, bollocks to it.

QuoteThank you for subscribing to 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection.

I can always change my mind...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 16 August, 2017, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 07:35:41 PM
Ah, bollocks to it.

QuoteThank you for subscribing to 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection.

I can always change my mind...

:lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 16 August, 2017, 08:21:16 PM
13 books of Slaine sounds like a lot, though I suppose it will cover most, if not all of Slaine!

That said, considering the Mega Collection is what got me into 2000AD, and my only external purchases since have been the Prog and the Script Book, plus Agency Files 1, this collection is perfect for me. Complete Dante, Slaine, Nemesis, Stronts... That's a sell right away, even forgetting the ancillary volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: judgerufian on 16 August, 2017, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: Neil C on 16 August, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine

Yep this decides for me too, way too much slaine to part with such a big wad of cash. Sorry Tharg, i will be cherry picking the collection and wish it the best a luck
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 17 August, 2017, 10:36:23 AM
Sorry if I missed this somewhere obvious but - when is the first batch officially being released/sent out?
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 17 August, 2017, 11:05:14 AM
First issue is out August 23rd, so we will probably receive the first parcel approximately first week of September


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Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 August, 2017, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 17 August, 2017, 11:05:14 AM
First issue is out August 23rd, so we will probably receive the first parcel approximately first week of September

I asked on FB about fulfilment of subscriptions and just got this reply:

Quote
Those who subscribed when the collection first launched, along with test subscribers, are first in line to receive your subscription issues. We will begin sending these out next week, and issue 1 goes on sale on Wednesday. Whilst we cannot guarantee that you will definitely receive your delivery before issue 1 appears on shelves, your delivery will contain both issue 1 and issue 2 along with your free mug, so you'll still be ahead of the curve!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 17 August, 2017, 01:02:13 PM
I'm getting more stoked for this collection the more I hear about it. I'm actually very happy with the Slaine announcement - I have very little Slaine in my collection and look forward to reading it again (I actually really liked the Langley stuff - I thought it really worked well for Slaine).
I guess it isn't chronologically collected like some of the other series though, seeing as Horned God one of the early volumes.

I'm hoping we may get a collection of Grey Area somewhere along the line. It's s strip I liked immediately and have grown fonder and fonder of it over time. A great way to represent current 2000AD in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 17 August, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
Got to agree with JamesC looking forays to upgrading my graphic novels to these hardbacks, no filler announced so hopefully this will be the ultimate collection, would be nice if the could include some early Harlem heroes, flesh etc
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: geronimo on 17 August, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
Hi Folks, I am wondering if anyone else is in this position............
I subscribed to the test run and the 4 free GNs were sent to me.
Early this month I got an e-mail from Hachette telling me the series was being officially launched and I needn't subscribe but they would get in touch with me by e-mail to get my payment details.
I still haven't received that e-mail. Is anyone else waiting for that still?
Anyway, looking forward to getting some Thrill-power but am having sleepless nights over whether to go premium or not! who says life gets easier as you get older; decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 17 August, 2017, 02:31:31 PM
Over on the '2000 AD & Beyond' Blog, Rich McAuliffe has pointed out This news from Hachette (https://2000adandbeyondsite.wordpress.com/2017/08/17/win-a-subscription-to-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection/) that might be of interest...

Of course, as a non-FB user I'm not in the running...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 August, 2017, 03:36:08 PM
Didn't realise Rich had gone solo. This is something to be checked out. Thanks for the heads up Bolt.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: walrus on 17 August, 2017, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: geronimo on 17 August, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
Hi Folks, I am wondering if anyone else is in this position............
I subscribed to the test run and the 4 free GNs were sent to me.
Early this month I got an e-mail from Hachette telling me the series was being officially launched and I needn't subscribe but they would get in touch with me by e-mail to get my payment details.
I still haven't received that e-mail. Is anyone else waiting for that still?
Anyway, looking forward to getting some Thrill-power but am having sleepless nights over whether to go premium or not! who says life gets easier as you get older; decisions, decisions.

Hi Geronimo

I was in exactly the same position. I just contacted Hachette on the number included in the email which you have received, told them I had not received the subscriber number, they tracked me from my address and were able to set up the payment against it that way. Hopefully it will all be ok now. You can also contact them on Facebook which people on here often recommend but I am not on there.

Hopefully you will be able to sort it easily

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 17 August, 2017, 04:11:02 PM
Im in the same situation .. I tried mailing them but no dice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: geronimo on 17 August, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Many thanks, Walrus.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 18 August, 2017, 08:55:25 AM
Same situation I messaged them on Facebook and emailed them for a week and nothing have now had a reply by Facebook post saying they had upgraded my account and emailed me and yep no email still
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 18 August, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
Latest bit of information in answer to a question on Facebook: the first ABC Warriors volume is issue 13. Going to guess that this will be a smattering of the early stories plus The Black Hole.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 18 August, 2017, 09:28:02 AM
I find Hachette's customer services to be baffling and frustrating. 

I've phoned them and emailed them several times just to try and get them to update my address and yet they still seem to be unable to get it right.  From what I've seen, the facebook admin is a lot better at responding but I think they're still hamstrung by the incompetent staff who actually manage accounts in the background.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 18 August, 2017, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 18 August, 2017, 09:28:02 AM
I find Hachette's customer services to be baffling and frustrating. 

I've phoned them and emailed them several times just to try and get them to update my address and yet they still seem to be unable to get it right.  From what I've seen, the facebook admin is a lot better at responding but I think they're still hamstrung by the incompetent staff who actually manage accounts in the background.

Hachette's Facebook service (on the Dredd/2000AD pages) is fantastic. I cannot fault it. Their service on the Marvel pages, and over the phone, is abysmal. It's nigh-on impossible to get anything sorted over the phone. Every time I ring I get hung up on mid-conversation, so I rely on Facebook now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 August, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
Couple more nuggets from FB: Sinister Dexter will have but three volumes, and ABC Warriors book 1 is volume 23, placing that series directly after the four Nemesis volumes on your shelf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 18 August, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
Both Invasion and Savage will be collected in the series.

Dredd page has confirmed there will be 7 volumes of Strontium Dog as well as The Kreeler Conspiracy, Traitor to his Kind and The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha, equalling 10 total. So I think it could be the complete Stront?



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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 August, 2017, 11:30:09 AM
Assuming Durham Red is being considered a distinct title, ten books should be enough to cover all of Strontium Dog to date, as far as I can tell. I wonder whether we'll get black and white or colour Starlord spreads this time?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 18 August, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 August, 2017, 11:30:09 AM
Assuming Durham Red is being considered a distinct title, ten books should be enough to cover all of Strontium Dog to date, as far as I can tell. I wonder whether we'll get black and white or colour Starlord spreads this time?

No idea - they've already scanned some of the colour annual stories for FCBD issues etc.

If they do colour spreads for Stront, I'll buy them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 18 August, 2017, 12:13:40 PM
It's also been announced that Dark Justice will appear here rather than in the MC. That's 66 pages so what else will feature? Other more recent stories or a Greg Staples themed volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 August, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
Perhaps the sequel, currently running in the Meg? I've no idea how many pages that gets the book to, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 August, 2017, 01:57:50 PM
I'd love Serial Serial, Ladykiller and other general DoC epilogues, rather than say, more Dark judges stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 18 August, 2017, 02:51:24 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 18 August, 2017, 01:57:50 PM
I'd love Serial Serial, Ladykiller and other general DoC epilogues, rather than say, more Dark judges stuff.

I'm reasonably certain there'll be some post-DoC material in the Mega Collection extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 August, 2017, 03:51:05 PM
"Subscribe today!" suggests the email I just got, for the collection I already subscribed to the other day. Oh well, pretty pictures in my inbox beats yet another press release about something I couldn't give two hoots about.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 18 August, 2017, 05:57:12 PM
I guess sindex is easier to cherrypick but man i hope we get a proper eurocrash/downlode tales that rebellion denied us
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: aceface11 on 19 August, 2017, 12:03:50 PM
At the risk of being unpopular can I ask about:

Finn
Harlem Heroes

And how about a collected Vector 13 volume. No? :p

Matt
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 19 August, 2017, 12:28:46 PM
Harlem Heroes - yes
Finn - NO WAY.

My own love would be a Belardinelli issue of Blackhawk and his many Future Shocks.

2000ADs neglected genius. 

Lobster Random (and The Vort), The VCs and a John Smith edition would be ace too.

Probably unlikely the lot of it.

A £10 hardback of Brass Sun would be something I'd buy multiple copies of and gift to every young kid in the family / friends. Just a brilliant and rare all-ages effort from modern 2000AD
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 19 August, 2017, 12:34:15 PM
Would love a hardback copy of meltdown man and there needs to be a Harry twenty not sure what could be included with it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 19 August, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: moly on 19 August, 2017, 12:34:15 PM
Would love a hardback copy of meltdown man and there needs to be a Harry twenty not sure what could be included with it

There are two other prison-based 2000AD series but neither is hugely popular: Dead Men Walking & Stalag 666.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 19 August, 2017, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: moly on 19 August, 2017, 12:34:15 PM
Would love a hardback copy of meltdown man and there needs to be a Harry twenty not sure what could be included with it

DR & Quinch seems like it would be a fairly slim volume - tonally nothing like it, but you have the Alan Davis connection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 August, 2017, 05:57:12 PM
I guess sindex is easier to cherrypick but man i hope we get a proper eurocrash/downlode tales that rebellion denied us

Trouble is both of these (Eurocrash and Downlode Tales) lose a LOT of impact without the establishing stories that makes their impact really important I'd say. Both are exceptional and do stand alone, but are served better in context.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 19 August, 2017, 05:31:40 PM
Skizz is included with dr&quinch
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 19 August, 2017, 05:54:06 PM
Ah OK.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 August, 2017, 05:54:51 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 August, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
So:

CONFIRMED

ABC Warriors: 6
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Quinch: 1

=

GUESSWORK

Ace Trucking: 2
Kingdom: 3
Robo-Hunter: 2
Invasion/Savage: 4
Sinister Dexter: 4
Stickleback: 1
Strontium Dog (inc. Durham Red)?: 11
Zombo: 1

Updating IndigoPrime's confirmed list with the additional info posted in thread since the original post:

CONFIRMED

ABC Warriors: 6
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Quinch: 1
Invasion/Savage: 4
Sinister Dexter: 3
Strontium Dog (inc. Durham Red)?: 10

Leaving 11 unknowns?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 19 August, 2017, 10:18:10 PM
This collection feels much better value than the Mega as a whole? This seems, for the most part, to be a genuine Greatest Hits, whereas the Mega seemed to have some... duds. For lack of a better word. Very excited to get this collection going.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 August, 2017, 06:36:42 PM
Payment for my first delivery is listed on the Hachette site for 18th August, sad to see like the Transformers collection there will not be individual listings for what is being posted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 August, 2017, 02:44:44 PM
10 or 11 books left to speculate upon, then.

If Finn is out of the question, what other Mills are missing?

Other than that, I'd definitely love a Harry 20, for sure.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 03:06:45 PM
From my ongoing Scrivener document of doom, it seems there are now about 70 confirmed books. (What was the actual number for Strontium Dog confirmed? 10 or 11?) As far as I can tell, there are also five confirmed series without numbers, which don't yet have a book number count: Ace Trucking, Kingdom, Robo-Hunter, Stickleback, and Zombo.

If Strontium Dog is 10, Durham Red is separate, and all of the above series have three books, bar Kingdom (3), that's your pre-extension 80.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 August, 2017, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 03:06:45 PM
From my ongoing Scrivener document of doom, it seems there are now about 70 confirmed books. (What was the actual number for Strontium Dog confirmed? 10 or 11?) As far as I can tell, there are also five confirmed series without numbers, which don't yet have a book number count: Ace Trucking, Kingdom, Robo-Hunter, Stickleback, and Zombo.

If Strontium Dog is 10, Durham Red is separate, and all of the above series have three books, bar Kingdom (3), that's your pre-extension 80.
The SD quote is: "7 volumes of Strontium Dog as well as The Kreeler Conspiracy, Traitor to his Kind and The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha"
Stickleback was said to be issue 46.
Also 99% sure Meltdown was confirmed too but I can't find the link.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 05:08:23 PM
Knock out Top Dog and classic Strontium Dog's page count fits almost exactly into seven volumes. The new stuff's over count by about 80 pages, and so something's getting cut (Blood Moon?) I suspect Durham Red is a separate volume, then, and not counted as Strontium Dog. As for Meltdown Man, that'd be a single book if it's in there. (It's not on the spine, if that makes any odds.)

So here's my current list:

CONFIRMED

ABC Warriors: 6
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Durham Red: 1
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: 1
Invasion/Savage: 3
Judge Dredd (including Dark Justice): 3
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sinister Dexter: 3
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Quinch: 1
Strontium Dog: 10

(69 books)

=

ON SPINE BUT NUMBERS NOT CONFIRMED (and there could be other series sneaking into the mix)

Ace Trucking: 2
Kingdom: 3
Robo-Hunter: 2
Stickleback: 2
Zombo: 2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 August, 2017, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 05:08:23 PM
The new stuff's over count by about 80 pages, and so something's getting cut (Blood Moon?)
Squint at this page and you can make out the content of the Kreeler volume, I'm pretty sure it doesn't match the one published by Rebellion.
http://www.2000adcollection.com/wp-content/themes/2000ad/im/collection-issue4-DPS1.jpg
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 22 August, 2017, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 22 August, 2017, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 05:08:23 PM
The new stuff's over count by about 80 pages, and so something's getting cut (Blood Moon?)
Squint at this page and you can make out the content of the Kreeler volume, I'm pretty sure it doesn't match the one published by Rebellion.
http://www.2000adcollection.com/wp-content/themes/2000ad/im/collection-issue4-DPS1.jpg

As best I can tell, here are the 2 volumes' contents.

Ultimate Collection: Progs 2000, 1174-1180, 1195-1199, 1400-1403, 2009 & 1617-1628
Rebellion Edition: 2000, 1174–1180, 1195–1199, 2001,1300–1308, 1350–1358, 1400–1403
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 05:46:01 PM
Indeed. The original is Kreeler/Roadhouse/Tax Dodge (196pp). This appears to be Kreeler/Heady Foot/Blood Moon (which extends the page count into the mid-220s). Which suggests everything through Life & Death will be in there, albeit not in the order originally published in 2000 AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 22 August, 2017, 05:50:20 PM
Don't think I've seen Black Sun confirmed or rumoured... but there's one on the spine art!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 August, 2017, 06:04:39 PM
Apologies if this is a daft question: when people say The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha, are we talking the first story only or is the follow-up, The Dogs of War, included as well?

Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed on the Ult. Collection site it mentions Grant Morrison as one of the creators - but if we're not getting Zenith, what else did he do of any real length for 2000ad?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 22 August, 2017, 06:19:31 PM
Just got back from holiday to find my sub has been cancelled despite me updating my details like they asked.
Not a good start.
At this point, suffering with a chest infection, they can go fu*k themselves.
Pissed off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 August, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
Quote from: karlos on 22 August, 2017, 06:04:39 PM
Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed on the Ult. Collection site it mentions Grant Morrison as one of the creators - but if we're not getting Zenith, what else did he do of any real length for 2000ad?
I'm guessing this is Tharg's Future Shock territory, as we wont be getting Really & Truely anytime soon.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 22 August, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
A Grant Morrison strip you say? More than a one off? With stellar art?
It's BIG DAVE. I'll have a little word with Boo Cook tomorrow at Forbidden Planet. Let's have him tripping over Tyranny Rex's tail and punching Junker.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 August, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 22 August, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
A Grant Morrison strip you say? More than a one off? With stellar art?
It's BIG DAVE. I'll have a little word with Boo Cook tomorrow at Forbidden Planet. Let's have him tripping over Tyranny Rex's tail and punching Junker.
You off to FP then Rob? Awesome.
I was an avid reader during the Summer Offensive and enjoyed all the strips, including Big Dave.
Armoured Gideon would be a Guilty Pleasure request for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 August, 2017, 08:34:01 PM
For what it's worth, here's the Advert with the confirmation of Meltdown Man:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1853190668342590&id=1822323628095961
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 08:56:58 PM
Quote from: karlos on 22 August, 2017, 06:04:39 PMApologies if this is a daft question: when people say The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha, are we talking the first story only or is the follow-up, The Dogs of War, included as well?
The page count would suggest everything that's currently been collected, which includes Dogs of War. (Thought: how the hell will they deal with Savage?)

QuoteAlso, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed on the Ult. Collection site it mentions Grant Morrison as one of the creators - but if we're not getting Zenith, what else did he do of any real length for 2000ad?
Two Future Shocks collections have been confirmed, which suggests the Alan Moore one and 'The best of Tharg's Future Shocks' might be transplanted across more or less as-is. The latter has some Morrison stuff (along with Gaiman and Milligan). Outside of that and stuff already confirmed for the JDMC, Morrison scripted Big Dave, Really & Truly, the odd bit of Tharg, and Zenith. I imagine the last of those would be ripe material for a 2KUC extension.

And if Meltdown Man is confirmed, that's 70 books pretty much certain, and ten left for Ace Trucking, Kingdom, Robo-Hunter, Stickleback, Zombo, and whatever else is going to be in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 August, 2017, 10:10:20 AM
competitions currently live on FB page

https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/videos/1855864291408561/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 23 August, 2017, 10:22:36 AM
Thanks all for answering my questions!

(I'd forgotten Big Dave ever existed!  Will be interesting to see that getting the hc treatment!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Timothy on 23 August, 2017, 11:31:18 AM
I've just picked up my bargain copy of The Horned God, and can confirm that it is a v handsome volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 23 August, 2017, 11:47:28 AM
In total agreement, Sir - it's gorgeous.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 23 August, 2017, 12:00:37 PM
What's the fold-out poster?
In the trial it was this one
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Timothy on 23 August, 2017, 12:02:31 PM
It's that one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 23 August, 2017, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 22 August, 2017, 06:19:31 PM
Just got back from holiday to find my sub has been cancelled despite me updating my details like they asked.
Not a good start.
At this point, suffering with a chest infection, they can go fu*k themselves.
Pissed off.

Ok, got some antibiotics and have confirmed that they cancelled my original sub because I asked them to upgrade to a premium sub. When they do that they cancel your original number and replace the 1 on the end with a 2 instead apparently.
Would have been nice if they had told me that first.
Doesn't help that I have not had a welcome letter yet either.
Still, sorted now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jabish on 23 August, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
Just picked up the Horned God. Beautiful. I'm thinking about buying 4 more and passing them out to friends. Unbelievable at 2 quid. I'll be dipping but this and the mega collection are really great value for money. Tenner for a hardback of brilliant comics? Lucky us. Of course with 2000ad you could just keep going. I hope it extends and we get some great John Smith work.

What a start though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 23 August, 2017, 03:33:04 PM
Does anyone have any idea when the first subscription copies will be sent out?  My account shows they took a payment of £0 on the 18th August but it doesn't have any books registered against it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 August, 2017, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 23 August, 2017, 03:33:04 PM
Does anyone have any idea when the first subscription copies will be sent out?  My account shows they took a payment of £0 on the 18th August but it doesn't have any books registered against it.

This is what they had to say on the matter when asked last week:
QuoteThose who subscribed when the collection first launched, along with test subscribers, are first in line to receive your subscription issues. We will begin sending these out next week, and issue 1 goes on sale on Wednesday. Whilst we cannot guarantee that you will definitely receive your delivery before issue 1 appears on shelves, your delivery will contain both issue 1 and issue 2 along with your free mug, so you'll still be ahead of the curve!

I too had an entry on 18th, though mine was an actual amount. I have a feeling we won't be seeing any books listed on that subscriber page as this is how it's working over on Transformers as well. Shame as the JDMC one still lists the books and that seems to make more sense.
Were you a test subscriber? Nothing in the post today I'm sorry to say.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 23 August, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
I've just won a premium subscription to the Ultimate Collection on Facebook!

Holy Grud, there's tonnes of it!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 August, 2017, 04:26:55 PM
<gritted teeth>Congratulations, Mr Sharp</gritted teeth>

:D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 23 August, 2017, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 23 August, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
I've just won a premium subscription to the Ultimate Collection on Facebook!

Holy Grud, there's tonnes of it!

Congrats Lobo, well done!

I was told, when I phoned earlier, that I should be receiving my first two issues from tomorrow onwards and if I had not received them by next Friday I should call back.

I also have bought a couple of extra issue ones to distribute to the local schools near me. They seemed to appreciate the JDMC issues I donated so at this price it would be silly not to put a few in school libraries.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 August, 2017, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 23 August, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
I've just won a premium subscription to the Ultimate Collection on Facebook!

Holy Grud, there's tonnes of it!

Wow we'll done that's quite a prize!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 23 August, 2017, 05:46:59 PM
Congrats, good sir!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 23 August, 2017, 07:21:25 PM
Ooh - I just saw the TV ad! Should get a few lapsed Squaxx on board. Lots of Stront and Slaine art in the spotlight.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 23 August, 2017, 07:22:40 PM
Those posters at the London signing are rather lush. If anyone gets a spare, hit me up  :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 23 August, 2017, 07:55:55 PM
Just saw the TV advert for the first time too. :)

Like many people, I'll probably dip in and out of this range, with the prospect of a complete run of Nikolai Dante in hardback being almost too good to be true.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JLC on 23 August, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
Picked up the first one. I'll pick up some of these. The quality is good.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 23 August, 2017, 08:34:34 PM
got the £1.99 starter. it's a handsome prospect alright. but peeved that it didn't wait until after the jd collection, so will have to cherry-pick (i.e. nikolai dante), as i'm somewhat reluctantly going to carry on with the eaglemoss star trek collection (which is a really nice and unusual selection). too many hardback comics at once!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 23 August, 2017, 09:12:57 PM
Congrats, Lobo - by the time I got there the comp was closed, dagnabbit!

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 23 August, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
The printing on the Horned God looks great - the colours zing. The Slaine article in the back is cool. My only criticism is that everyone's feet are going to be severely cut off on the spine judging by how low Skizz is framed. Do others agree? The Boo Cook print from Forbidden Planet is cool. It was s but odd him signing Biz's books but don't blame him!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 23 August, 2017, 10:25:34 PM
I checked my local W H Smiths (Dartford) to see if the first issue was there. It wasn't. I'm not really surprised, but I thought it might be since they had a couple of the Transformers ones not so long ago.

Anyhow, if there's any available at the 2000 AD desk at LSCC I might get one then. Otherwise it's the order route! I was kinda disappointed not to see it though. They would like order it in on a subscription basis but I don't want to be tied into a subscription just yet. If I did that, I'd got he Hachette Partworks route and get the other goodies too!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 23 August, 2017, 10:34:54 PM
Picked one up from WH Smith's in Preston. As expected, it looks GORGEOUS & I'll pick up a couple more to give to friends tomorrow. Still umming and aahing over whether I'm gonna get any others in the series though - I've got everything in back progs, a lot of it many times.

D'you know what puts me off, though? What really TINY detail gets right under my OCD? There's no title on the spines! How the hell am I to know which volume's which on my bookshelves? That actually is a deal breaker for me over whether to dip in now and again and get more. I know, it's some kind of autism or something, I guess.

Can't knock this for two quid though, can you?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 August, 2017, 10:59:01 PM
The spines thing is annoying. With the Marvel run, you at least got character heads on the spines to be able to rapidly locate series. But the 2000 AD spine decided to go against basic usability. A pity.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 23 August, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
The main Smiths in Hull had approx. 10 copies in stock today.  If they're going to put more out then cool, but it that's the full stock then that is shockingly low.

Especially when I bought 7!

Two quick questions:

Are we getting all of Bad Company, and are we getting a stand alone ABC Warriors; The Black Hole, or will it essentially be a repackage of Mek Files vol. 1, with the first few stories?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 August, 2017, 07:25:48 AM
WH Smiths in Sheffield centre hadn't put them out yesterday morning, but when I asked they had a boxful with maybe 10 or 15 in.

According to Barney, total page count of Bad Company including First Casualties is just over 400 which indicates we'll get the whole lot over 2 volumes.

Also from Barney, total ABC page count is around 1200 which will fill 6 volumes, so I think the first will be the early stories and The Black Hole.

So by my reckoning, the collection will include complete Bad Co, ABC, Nemesis, Strontium Dog, Slaine, DR & Quinch, Halo Jones and Nikolai Dante, with selected Dredd, Rogue, Invasion/Savage (or all of it?), Skizz and Sinister Dexter, along with a few others.

Can't wait, bring it on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 24 August, 2017, 07:47:58 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 23 August, 2017, 10:34:54 PM

D'you know what puts me off, though? What really TINY detail gets right under my OCD? There's no title on the spines! How the hell am I to know which volume's which on my bookshelves? That actually is a deal breaker for me over whether to dip in now and again and get more. I know, it's some kind of autism or something, I guess.

Can't knock this for two quid though, can you?
With these types of partworks where the titles are not on the spine I type up my own list in the same dimensions of the book and keep it in front of the first volume. Once the run is completed I get it laminated and then I have a handy guide to what's where.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 24 August, 2017, 07:50:24 AM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 23 August, 2017, 08:34:34 PM
as i'm somewhat reluctantly going to carry on with the eaglemoss star trek collection (which is a really nice and unusual selection).

I'm getting the Star Trek one too. Not subbing though, just getting them saved at my Newsie. Also ordering the specials from the website. The specials are rather lovely too with nice dust jackets.
It's a good collection, released in order, and with the titles on the spines too!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 24 August, 2017, 08:10:40 AM
Thanks for the answers, chaps.

The only nitpick I have with otherwise glorious Slaine book is, the Bisley prog covers are not included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 August, 2017, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: karlos on 23 August, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
Are we getting all of Bad Company, and are we getting a stand alone ABC Warriors; The Black Hole, or will it essentially be a repackage of Mek Files vol. 1, with the first few stories?
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 24 August, 2017, 07:25:48 AM
Also from Barney, total ABC page count is around 1200 which will fill 6 volumes, so I think the first will be the early stories and The Black Hole.
MEK Files Vol 1 is listed on Amazon as 304pgs so I suspect some early strips will have to be shunted into vol 2 (which lists as 208), or be lost all together. Gonna do some people's heads in I'm sure.
That series is some of the only 2000 AD reprints I've invested in since returning to the prog in 2015 (they're beautiful and hefty) so I could skip those issues of the collection. Yeah right. #doubledip
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 24 August, 2017, 09:27:26 AM

If Nikolai Dante volume 4 (which I'm assuming will cover the tsar wars) is issue 35, doe that mean we'll be waiting about two years for that issue to come out?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 August, 2017, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: marko10174 on 24 August, 2017, 09:27:26 AM

If Nikolai Dante volume 4 (which I'm assuming will cover the tsar wars) is issue 35, doe that mean we'll be waiting about two years for that issue to come out?
Issue 35 out 12/12/2018 by my calculations.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 24 August, 2017, 11:48:48 AM
Hey, for anybody who couldn't make Boo's signing last night, Forbidden Planet London have a very small number of issue 1 signed on their shelves (no more than a dozen) and have copies of the big launch poster - it's 60cm by 40cm - available to anybody who wants one. They're not taking anymore orders on the signed copy online, mind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 24 August, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
Did someone say that the releases for particular characters would be chronological? If so, does that imply that we won't get any early Slaine, or are they just leading off with a Big Hitter as an exception?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 24 August, 2017, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 24 August, 2017, 07:50:24 AM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 23 August, 2017, 08:34:34 PM
as i'm somewhat reluctantly going to carry on with the eaglemoss star trek collection (which is a really nice and unusual selection).

I'm getting the Star Trek one too. Not subbing though, just getting them saved at my Newsie. Also ordering the specials from the website. The specials are rather lovely too with nice dust jackets.
It's a good collection, released in order, and with the titles on the spines too!

I'd rather have the titles on the spine as well.I know it's too late now.I know part of the appeal is not knowing whats coming next but they could add the title of the book on at the time of publication.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 August, 2017, 12:37:16 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 24 August, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
Did someone say that the releases for particular characters would be chronological? If so, does that imply that we won't get any early Slaine, or are they just leading off with a Big Hitter as an exception?

I suspect the latter, as I have estimated on the back of a stamp that all of Slaine, including the extra game pages from Tomb of Terror and the Diceman games, will easily fit into 13 volumes - perhaps Bisley's covers will be included to fill up space in another book?

As an aside, the latest Thrill-cast is well worth a listen, Mills and Bisley both talking at length about the creative process that went into the Horned God and its legacy. Recommended.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 24 August, 2017, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 August, 2017, 09:15:08 AM
.. I could skip those issues of the collection. Yeah right. #doubledip

Before I joined the forum I hadn't bought any collections of stuff I already had in Prog or Meg format. Then I started buying some as they are easier to re-read for example it is easier than tracking down the Progs given my hap hazard filling system and way easier to bring on the Tube etc. But I'm not at the point where I will double dip stuff I already have the collection of, unless it adds significant extra value e.g. restoring the "banned" Cursed Earth episodes or colour centre spreads.

Not sure I understand the need for multiple copies. A spine art picture just isn't enough for me to justify 800 quid or the space. So just out of interest, what motivates others to double / multiple dip?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 24 August, 2017, 01:09:38 PM
Magnetica - for me, it's the lure of the hardback, and the nice, new, shiny paper.

With the awesome added bonus of getting rid of the originals that are, frankly, starting to smell!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 August, 2017, 01:42:54 PM
Hardbacks and sell the originals is my plan. As for release order, Sláine appears to be an exception.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 24 August, 2017, 02:27:41 PM
Judging by the pictures I've seen, the top and bottom of the spine art has been trimmed drastically. The bottom of Stickleback's face is likely going to be missing, as are the heads of many of the 'background' characters. Seems like a big mistake to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 August, 2017, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 24 August, 2017, 02:27:41 PM
Judging by the pictures I've seen, the top and bottom of the spine art has been trimmed drastically. The bottom of Stickleback's face is likely going to be missing, as are the heads of many of the 'background' characters. Seems like a big mistake to me.

I think you're right. See comparison image here. Though Skizz is possibly repositioned so there may have been some jiggling to retain details. Can't even see Tharg's ear he was so concerned about either if this is right though

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIAcV_eXcAAUCTM.jpg)

EDIT: that might just be the angle of the book's image I took from Twitter

EDIT2: Actually, it's made explicit here isn't it. And that matches the art on the books spine. Shame.
(http://www.2000adcollection.com/wp-content/themes/2000ad/im/collection-spine-artwork.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 24 August, 2017, 05:14:48 PM
Does a complete ABC Warriors in this new format mean no more Mek Files? I really quite liked those Mek Files editions...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 August, 2017, 05:19:26 PM
Last one on this. And such a shame when he PLANNED for those numbers too:

(https://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/1d/95.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIAfKzdW0AE7u_z.jpg)

EDIT: New theory: The art was intended for a 60 volume collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 24 August, 2017, 05:37:09 PM
I was at Forbidden Planet and Boo was on good form and kindly acknowledged the only things by in the book he had done was the spine. He had noticed the feet would all be cropped.

There are some interesting differences between the promo foldout poster and the final one.
- the final one is only 2/3 the size of the promo
- SinDex are added to the roster of featured characters
- Belt buckle, hip flask and blitz spear parking signed all swapped out
- 'Retrospective articles' now feature in Bonus section (Stephen Jewell essay in this one)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 24 August, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Magnetica for me it won't be double dipping as I will pass all the old paperback copies to my niece and for ten quid for a hardback book it's a no brainer while I have a bit of disposable cash although it does mean I won't be getting any of the new released stuff like lawless which hopefully will be on the extended collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: EDazzling on 24 August, 2017, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: moly on 24 August, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Magnetica for me it won't be double dipping as I will pass all the old paperback copies to my niece and for ten quid for a hardback book it's a no brainer while I have a bit of disposable cash although it does mean I won't be getting any of the new released stuff like lawless which hopefully will be on the extended collection

Lawless has been announced for the Judge Dredd Mega Collection's extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 24 August, 2017, 07:23:29 PM
Great news on lawless
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 August, 2017, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 24 August, 2017, 05:14:48 PMDoes a complete ABC Warriors in this new format mean no more Mek Files?
The Mek Files series to date has been republishing the classic run of ABC Warriors in hardback, and with the third one, everything is covered, bar content issued in The Solo Missions. If the Mek Files were to continue, it'd presumably bundle Volgan War into chunky editions (so 1/2, 3/4, Return to Earth/Mars, Return to Ro-Busters/whatever comes next).

Given that the Ultimate Collection and graphic novel line are distinct, and the outlets aren't the same, I imagine all that will determined more Mek Files is whether Rebellion wants to continue the line and use some book slots for reissuing material that's already been released in hardback anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 24 August, 2017, 10:12:31 PM
Quote from: matty_ae on 24 August, 2017, 05:37:09 PM
- Belt buckle, hip flask and blitz spear parking signed all swapped out

Hip Flask? ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 25 August, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 August, 2017, 05:19:26 PM
Last one on this. And such a shame when he PLANNED for those numbers too:

(https://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/1d/95.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIAfKzdW0AE7u_z.jpg)

EDIT: New theory: The art was intended for a 60 volume collection.

What a shame.

It would surely have been better to have extended the artwork, as appears to be the case with the Mega Collection.

Moans aside, thanks for the hero who tipped us off about signed copies and prints still being available at Forbidden Planet - I acquired both on my way home last night. It will be nice to have the signed copy in the collection, and I'll donate my subscriber copy in the hope of seeding another collection! It really is a lovely product. And for £2!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 25 August, 2017, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 25 August, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
Moans aside, thanks for the hero who tipped us off about signed copies and prints still being available at Forbidden Planet - I acquired both on my way home last night. It will be nice to have the signed copy in the collection, and I'll donate my subscriber copy in the hope of seeding another collection! It really is a lovely product. And for £2!

I bought a signed one online with a promise of the poster too.
Did you get a poster when you bought from FP?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 25 August, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 25 August, 2017, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 25 August, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
Moans aside, thanks for the hero who tipped us off about signed copies and prints still being available at Forbidden Planet - I acquired both on my way home last night. It will be nice to have the signed copy in the collection, and I'll donate my subscriber copy in the hope of seeding another collection! It really is a lovely product. And for £2!

I bought a signed one online with a promise of the poster too.
Did you get a poster when you bought from FP?

Yep, they had a pile of them on the sales counter. It consists of the left-hand 40% or so of the spine art, but uncropped top and bottom.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 25 August, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 25 August, 2017, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 25 August, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
Moans aside, thanks for the hero who tipped us off about signed copies and prints still being available at Forbidden Planet - I acquired both on my way home last night. It will be nice to have the signed copy in the collection, and I'll donate my subscriber copy in the hope of seeding another collection! It really is a lovely product. And for £2!

I bought a signed one online with a promise of the poster too.
Did you get a poster when you bought from FP?

Hey, I ran the signing from FP's end and asked that the London store keep the leftover (unsigned) posters by the tills. I was there last night, and they still have a fair few. If it looks like they are out at the tills just ask a member of staff if there are any left in the office. If there are, they'll whip more out. They are extremely popular mind - so apologies in advance if you ask and they're all gone!

And although the posters weren't promised with mail order purchases I did send 10 signed copies to the MO team. If you ordered the signed book online, might be worth asking the MO guys if they have any left. Not a guarentee you'll get one of course (I believe some have already been requested)!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 August, 2017, 12:38:28 PM
" the feet may be cut off to fit the book size but the image will be fully visible! Hope this helps :)"

Er.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 25 August, 2017, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Anthony Garnon on 25 August, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
And although the posters weren't promised with mail order purchases I did send 10 signed copies to the MO team. If you ordered the signed book online, might be worth asking the MO guys if they have any left. Not a guarentee you'll get one of course (I believe some have already been requested)!

Thanks for that. When I ordered online it did state that every purchase would receive the poster. Mine was sent by FP today. If the poster comes with it then bonus but if not I'm not overly bothered. The signed book for £2.99 inc postage is well worth it on it's own.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 August, 2017, 03:20:43 PM
YAY!
Mr Postman finally turned up today with my sub box - issues 1&2, poster packaged with 1, and mug. Brilliant!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 25 August, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
FWIW that first issue was a joy. Haven't read The Horned God since prog publication, and am sure the collected format, on better paper, helped my enjoyment too.

The cherry-picking has begun! I'm looking at you, Dante, Nemesis and Shakara...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 25 August, 2017, 04:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 25 August, 2017, 03:20:43 PM
YAY!
Mr Postman finally turned up today with my sub box - issues 1&2, poster packaged with 1, and mug. Brilliant!

That poster is well smaller than the one that went out with the trial sets.
Still a delight though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 August, 2017, 05:08:58 PM
First two volumes arrived today. They're nice books. Well-presented, good, sturdy hardcovers, nice paper. Only had time for a flick through, but I'm quietly impressed.

Although I now realise I need a new book case.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 25 August, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
Mine also arrived today. Very nice - not sure what to do with the trial versions now.
The Chris Weston mug is also very spiffy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 25 August, 2017, 05:31:25 PM
The inevitable posties 'you were out' card! Doh, have to wait to Tuesday for the goodness now :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 25 August, 2017, 08:01:58 PM
I popped in to London Super Comic Con after work for an hour. The 2000ad/hachette stand had the Nemesis figurine on display. The bad news is it looks great, is surprisingly weighty & very detailed & well painted. Damn I'll have to sign up. They were also selling a wide horizontal poster of the entire Boo Cook spine for £35.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 25 August, 2017, 08:04:56 PM
£35?! Crikey...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 August, 2017, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 25 August, 2017, 08:01:58 PM
I popped in to London Super Comic Con after work for an hour. The 2000ad/hachette stand had the Nemesis figurine on display. The bad news is it looks great, is surprisingly weighty & very detailed & well painted. Damn I'll have to sign up. They were also selling a wide horizontal poster of the entire Boo Cook spine for £35.
Saw that on FB, £35 is good for the size of that thing. Shame it isn't widely available.
Still can't go for the figurines, tho they do look sweet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 25 August, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
I never got the 2nd e-mail about unsubscribing, but figured if they don't have my payment details I needn't worry.

When I came home to find the first parcel (2 books, poster & arsom mug) I thought they'd cocked up. However the invoice was for £0.00 and when I reread the first e-mail, apparently test subscribers get the first three free anyway!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 26 August, 2017, 12:11:50 AM
Seen a short version of the TV ad about three times on Vintage tonight. Mrs Snazz said "well that should fill some gaps in your collection" Shelf space finding project in progress.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 26 August, 2017, 07:50:33 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 25 August, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
I never got the 2nd e-mail about unsubscribing, but figured if they don't have my payment details I needn't worry.

When I came home to find the first parcel (2 books, poster & arsom mug) I thought they'd cocked up. However the invoice was for £0.00 and when I reread the first e-mail, apparently test subscribers get the first three free anyway!

They have cocked up on mine.
I was in the trial bit too and had a promise of the first 4 (?) volumes for free. The I upgraded to premium and I have been charged the full whack.
Another, painful, call to South Africa awaits me in my future.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 26 August, 2017, 09:46:53 AM
I'd stick to messenger for communication. I never had confidence in the phone calls.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 26 August, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
Comedy warning

Changed the recipient name for the 2000AD test but kept the account / payment details and delivery address the same.. now its impossible for Hachette / myself to access my details for the 2000AD collection. The account name is in the same email address but changing the recipient name apparently generates a new account that nobody can access.

Cue S.Africa saying they didn't have a clue what to do.

These landing at the same time as the Dredd Collection really brings home that running both at the same time for a year is a bit of a dumb idea. I probably would have gone for the Dredd extension but no way now. Cherry picking time for Dredd after #80


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 26 August, 2017, 02:38:35 PM
Does seem a bit mad in the next 10 months between judge dredd and the 2000ad collection will receive 40 plus books
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 26 August, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
I certainly can't afford to get both, so I'll continue with the JDMC and forget the Twoothy one. Hmmph.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 26 August, 2017, 07:18:41 PM
Made the journey to LSCC today and, well, the print of the spine art was irresistible. What a gorgeous piece of artwork Boo has produced. Cue operation: get this signed by all my favourite 2000AD creators.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 August, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
I don't know if anyone has commented on this already, but the design of the covers are at least a step towards easier browsing of the collection. If we can't get spine titles, at least you only need pull it an inch or so to see what's in it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 26 August, 2017, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 26 August, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
... you only need pull it an inch or so to see what's in it.

Must... resist... Carry On... upbringing...

Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: glassstanley on 27 August, 2017, 11:41:41 AM
I struck me yesterday that the only reason I'm not going to subscribe to this is that I don't have anywhere to put it! Which means that I'm also going to run out of space for future GNs. Time to start a shelf cull!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 27 August, 2017, 09:25:18 PM
Picked up issue one today - overall i much prefer the look of the repro on this when compared to the washed out looking Hamlyn hardback. Have subscribed on the back of this!

Also, on the penultimate page, some of the panels look repainted to me. Again, in comparison to the Hamlyn edition, but doesnt look like a brightness/contrast job...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 28 August, 2017, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: Woolly on 27 August, 2017, 09:25:18 PM
Also, on the penultimate page, some of the panels look repainted to me. Again, in comparison to the Hamlyn edition, but doesnt look like a brightness/contrast job...

Hamlyn edition:
(http://i.imgur.com/aCq9mpx.jpg)

Hachette edition:
(http://i.imgur.com/N9TL1Sw.jpg)

Apologies for the crappy photography.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 August, 2017, 10:20:49 AM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 August, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 28 August, 2017, 10:20:49 AM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.

Purely much, much better repro.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 28 August, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 August, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 28 August, 2017, 10:20:49 AM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.

Purely much, much better repro.

I dunno, there are brush strokes, highlights and shading just not present in the original print.
The brush work and colour on Ukko's hat, the scratches of fur on his shoulder, the shading around his eye... definitely looks like more work has gone on to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 28 August, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Blimey, the difference is staggering!

Anyone got access to the original prog to see what it looked in there?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mute77 on 28 August, 2017, 05:55:07 PM
The 2011 rebellion harback edition looks the same as the hachette edition. Ill try and dig out the original prog later..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 28 August, 2017, 07:51:59 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 28 August, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 August, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 28 August, 2017, 10:20:49 AM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.

Purely much, much better repro.

I dunno, there are brush strokes, highlights and shading just not present in the original print.
The brush work and colour on Ukko's hat, the scratches of fur on his shoulder, the shading around his eye... definitely looks like more work has gone on to me.

All of those are present in the 1991 Fleetway edition apart from the light bit above Ukko's head. But that might just be how the photo was taken - Woolly can you confirm?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 28 August, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 28 August, 2017, 07:51:59 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 28 August, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 August, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 28 August, 2017, 10:20:49 AM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.

Purely much, much better repro.

I dunno, there are brush strokes, highlights and shading just not present in the original print.
The brush work and colour on Ukko's hat, the scratches of fur on his shoulder, the shading around his eye... definitely looks like more work has gone on to me.

All of those are present in the 1991 Fleetway edition apart from the light bit above Ukko's head. But that might just be how the photo was taken - Woolly can you confirm?

Yes, that light bit is down to my crappy photo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 28 August, 2017, 08:07:13 PM
The first two are in, I'm looking forward to watching these shelves fill up! I think I might have one of my Mongrols protecting the ABC Warriors section of the collection 😊

(https://s2.postimg.org/tjsauc0cp/IMG_1849.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Davgardo on 29 August, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Lovely looking thing and it's great re-reading The Horned God again after all these years - just as good as i remembered.
My only gripe is in the text piece where he seems to have forgotten about Time Killer and attributes the Slaine the King artwork to Fabry and Pugh. Only a very minor thing obv but it irritates me when basic errors make it through like that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 29 August, 2017, 12:23:55 PM
Got mine now :)
Fussy but the artwork on the mug is different to the ads.
Looking at my rebellion horned god, the hachette is a cm smaller, noticable immediately i thought.
The overall quality is great, and for me this an alternative to collecting the progs or graphic novels, so good value overall.
I think i'll review after the free gifts are exhausted but right now i'm in for the 80
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 August, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
What the chuff are we talking about the comics about here when we have shelvery like that.

Those Sir Wells are a thing of almost infinite beauty. Is there anymore you could whip out for us all to oggle at?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 29 August, 2017, 06:11:53 PM
Now that's a dangerous invitation  :o
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 29 August, 2017, 06:47:44 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 29 August, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
What the chuff are we talking about the comics about here when we have shelvery like that.

Those Sir Wells are a thing of almost infinite beauty. Is there anymore you could whip out for us all to oggle at?

Just for you Colin, my Child Cave!

(https://s26.postimg.org/4n3xnpdrt/IMG_2156.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/9zss1u1o9/IMG_2157.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/aqli7m41l/IMG_2158.jpg)

Mrs Pete hates this room  :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 29 August, 2017, 06:47:52 PM
I've just registered on here after subscribing to the Ultimate Collection. Having received the first package I'm happy with the quality of the books, although I'm not the biggest fan of The Horned God as it kinda reminds me of the period when I feel out of love with 2000ad having read it since around prog 400. Wasn't really fussed with the move to colour as the printing never seemed good enough to stop everything looking like a splodgey brown mess & think I preferred the B&W stuff printed on cheap paper. As it became more expensive & they started expanding into other magazines like Crisis & the Dredd Megazine I think I  got fed up & stopped buying it. Anyway it would have been good to have got the Judge Dredd collection but I completely missed it. I found someone selling bundles of 10 issues of the Mega Collection for £25 so bought a couple of those & might pick up more issues when I work out what's in which issue. The 2000ad collection seems more appealing as the scope of it is vast & it's going to cover a lot of stuff I missed & collect lots of stuff I've not read for a good while.
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 29 August, 2017, 12:23:55 PM
Got mine now :)
Fussy but the artwork on the mug is different to the ads.
Looking at my rebellion horned god, the hachette is a cm smaller, noticable immediately i thought.
The overall quality is great, and for me this an alternative to collecting the progs or graphic novels, so good value overall.
I think i'll review after the free gifts are exhausted but right now i'm in for the 80
I thought the mug was pretty poorly printed, half of Dredd's badge was missing & there were other bits of the image missing - not sure if they're all like that or it was just mine. At least it was a half decent size!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Paul Moore on 29 August, 2017, 07:24:24 PM
Forbidden Planet in Glasgow sells the Hatchette Dredd mega collection (along with the marvel stuff too) as single collections, it might be worth checking your local comic shops, if you missed them
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 August, 2017, 07:57:03 PM
...Just go on the Hachette website, all the back issues are available there.

As for content, Wikipedia has it covered.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 29 August, 2017, 08:21:55 PM
where can i get shelving like that?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 August, 2017, 08:36:23 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 29 August, 2017, 06:47:44 PM

Just for you Colin, my Child Cave!


Nice one Pete as wonderful as its owner. Stunning stuff!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 29 August, 2017, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Paul Moore on 29 August, 2017, 07:24:24 PM
Forbidden Planet in Glasgow sells the Hatchette Dredd mega collection (along with the marvel stuff too) as single collections, it might be worth checking your local comic shops, if you missed them
I think I'm going to try & add to the Judge Dredd collection on the cheap rather than buying them at full price.

For anyone interested, the JDMC bundles I bought were from eBay (example here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322586278155) & seem pretty cheap (although listing says minor cover damage, which doesn't really bother me).

I see someone is selling JDMC issues 1-41 on Gumtree for £100 which seems like a bargain for someone, although it's no good for me as I'm nowhere near the seller.

I'll look in the local FP for particular issues later on when I've worked out what ones I actually want so cheers for the recommendation.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 29 August, 2017, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 29 August, 2017, 06:47:44 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 29 August, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
What the chuff are we talking about the comics about here when we have shelvery like that.

Those Sir Wells are a thing of almost infinite beauty. Is there anymore you could whip out for us all to oggle at?

Just for you Colin, my Child Cave!

(https://s26.postimg.org/4n3xnpdrt/IMG_2156.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/9zss1u1o9/IMG_2157.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/aqli7m41l/IMG_2158.jpg)

Mrs Pete hates this room  :D

You are a fan aren't you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 30 August, 2017, 07:58:56 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 29 August, 2017, 08:21:55 PM
where can i get shelving like that?

The shelf is from IKEA and is called KALLAX (which sound like the baddie from a future shock!) Someone on the Facebook Dredd Mega Collection recommended them as they fit the whole spine image rather nicely!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 August, 2017, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 29 August, 2017, 10:13:53 PMI see someone is selling JDMC issues 1-41 on Gumtree for £100 which seems like a bargain for someone, although it's no good for me as I'm nowhere near the seller.
I'm baffled by people who require local pick-up. Almost everyone lives near a DPD drop-off. A courier takes five minutes to sort. Add another tenner for the hassle of dropping the box off, and you have the chance to sell to the entire UK, rather than the people who can be bothered to drive to your house (which, frankly, I'm not keen on people doing anyway when I sell stuff).

Quote from: Pete Wells on 30 August, 2017, 07:58:56 AMThe shelf is from IKEA and is called KALLAX (which sound like the baddie from a future shock!) Someone on the Facebook Dredd Mega Collection recommended them as they fit the whole spine image rather nicely!
Kallax is good, reasonably modular, and comes in various sizes. If you're near an Ikea, also take a look at the Billy line. Assuming the default shelving height is the same on the new line, it's almost an exact fit for the partwork books in the four central shelves. The top and bottom ones are larger, so you can use them for other stuff (outsized books, hiding kittens, etc.)

As for the new collection, I'm mildly annoyed that the first delivery inevitably got me a damaged book, and Hachette online merrily stated they protect books with plastic wrap. Because plastic wrap is known to protect books in transit! I'm not sure I can be arsed to send it back though, since the damage is minor compared to the state some of my Dredd books have shown up in. Other than that, they look good. The mug is a bit rubbish though. (As noted, the print is terrible, and you'd think they'd at least have whacked a logo on there. Not so much no expense spared as no expense.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 30 August, 2017, 12:58:41 PM
So having said I wasn't going to buy the first issue as I already have the original Fleetway editions of The Horned God ( as well as the Progs), I then listened to the Thrillcast with Pat and Simon Bisley. One of them said the reproduction in the Hachette book was the best ever. And given it was only two quid, I bought it, from Forbidden Planet in Shaftesbury Av. In doing so I also got the print of (the left hand side) of the spine art.

So is the Hachette reproduction better than the Fleetway one? Hmmm....yes and no. The colours are slightly richer to me eye. But only slightly. The line work looks the same. But the Fleetway editions are bigger. The first one is matte the others gloss - I never understood why there was a difference.

So at two quid you can't go wrong and now I can feel the pull of issue 2, given it is Halo Jones. So I guess selling the first couple cheap as a lead in works...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Something Fishy on 30 August, 2017, 01:02:20 PM
This looks good.  are there any major chains or stores stocking these?  My local newsagent still holds the prog and meg but doesn't have this.  I'd rather pick and choose than sub ideally.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 30 August, 2017, 01:18:26 PM
WH Smiths
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Something Fishy on 30 August, 2017, 01:27:42 PM
oh they are?  excellent thanks.   I will take a look when next in town.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 30 August, 2017, 01:40:04 PM
You can order individual issues directly from Hachette or Forbidden Planet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 30 August, 2017, 02:22:47 PM
Fishy- I got mine from ASDA. I don't think they'll be carrying it for long, but it might be good for a while...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Something Fishy on 30 August, 2017, 02:27:00 PM
Oh cool thank you.   I should be passing one of those this week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dash Decent on 30 August, 2017, 03:04:41 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 29 August, 2017, 06:47:44 PM
(https://s26.postimg.org/9zss1u1o9/IMG_2157.jpg)

I don't want to alarm you Pete, but I think Judge Dredd is hiding behind your table.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 30 August, 2017, 05:19:49 PM
I think I felt his daystick brushing past my leg. I hope it was his day stick...  :o
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 30 August, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 30 August, 2017, 05:19:49 PM
I think I felt his daystick brushing past my leg. I hope it was his day stick...  :o

These ninja judges hiding in the walls are *really* getting out of hand
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 31 August, 2017, 01:46:44 PM
I ordered on 21 August, still no delivery. Anyone ordered after me and received theirs?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 31 August, 2017, 05:20:13 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 31 August, 2017, 01:46:44 PM
I ordered on 21 August, still no delivery. Anyone ordered after me and received theirs?

You'll probably get your first issues in early September, 3&4 October, 5&6 November, etc, etc. That's what happened to me with my Marvel subscription; I'm always a month behind
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 31 August, 2017, 06:31:19 PM

If you're direct debit when do they actually take the money out of your account each month?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Something Fishy on 31 August, 2017, 10:37:03 PM
My wife found this at Asda for me (thanks for the tip).

It's a nice reproduction.  I think the only negative is the reduced size. I'd have no hope of reading it without my specs (I can just about manage the prog still with enough light).

Not sure if I will sub or just get it when I see it if it's a must have issue.

great to see it though and I hope it brings in some new fans.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 01 September, 2017, 06:44:08 AM
Marion when you get a delivery it includes an invoice which confirms when the payment will be collected
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 September, 2017, 07:56:41 PM
Found this page earlier, so books 6 & 7 confirmed. Also lists the content of the first Nemesis volume for those interested.

Quote
2000 AD GRAPHIC NOVEL COLLECTION VOLUME 6: KINGDOM HC

(W) Dan Abnett (A) Richard Elson

The sixth issue of the brand new 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection features Kingdom. This issue features the Kingdom stories "Kingdom" "The Promised Land" and "Call of the Wild".



2000 AD GRAPHIC NOVEL COLLECTION VOLUME 7: STRONTIUM DOG HC

(W) John Wagner (A) Carlos Ezquerra

The seventh issue of the brand new 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection features Strontium Dog. This issue features Strontium Dog stories "Galaxy Killers" "Journey into Hell" "Death's Head" "Schicklegruber Grab" "Mutie's Luck" and "The Doc Quince Case".


https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/198621-2000-AD-Graphic-Novel-Collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 01 September, 2017, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 01 September, 2017, 07:56:41 PM
Quote
2000 AD GRAPHIC NOVEL COLLECTION VOLUME 7: STRONTIUM DOG HC

(W) John Wagner (A) Carlos Ezquerra

The seventh issue of the brand new 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection features Strontium Dog. This issue features Strontium Dog stories "Galaxy Killers" "Journey into Hell" "Death's Head" "Schicklegruber Grab" "Mutie's Luck" and "The Doc Quince Case".


Hmm... this seems to suggest the pre-2000AD/Starlord stuff won't be collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 01 September, 2017, 08:57:21 PM
Does it?

Kreeler conspiracy is released first, but the originals were published after this collection.

Looking at the TPB, the starlord stories are still a fair chunk and could be padded out with specials/annual stories.

The Collector, The Town that died of shame, The Complaint, The Beast of Milton Keynes for example...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 01 September, 2017, 09:00:41 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 01 September, 2017, 08:57:21 PM
Does it?

Kreeler conspiracy is released first, but the originals were published after this collection.

Looking at the TPB, the starlord stories are still a fair chunk and could be padded out with specials/annual stories.

The Collector, The Town that died of shame, The Complaint, The Beast of Milton Keynes for example...

I'm just assuming since Slaine: Horned God and Strontium Dog: Kreeler Conspiracy were offered up as early volumes but comments elsewhere suggested that series would otherwise be released chronologically.

I would be happy to be wrong and there be a volume of miscellanious material collecting the Starlord stories, annuals and specials like you've proposed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 01 September, 2017, 09:10:03 PM
I was thinking it was more along the lines of Dante not being released out of sequence.

Strontium Dog doesn't really matter so much other than for the event ones - like Portrait of a Mutant, Outlaw Ragnarok/Rage.

Plus you have all the untold stories published after Johnny and Wulf's deaths, some of which link together like the Traitor to his kind thread, or the Blood Moon/Mork Whisperer.

I'm really hoping we'll see some colour spreads, if there aren't there's no reason for me to double dip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 01 September, 2017, 09:14:11 PM
Cool. I've dropped a question on the FB page anyway. 

Would hate it if any classic Strontium Dog stories were skipped.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 02 September, 2017, 01:48:54 AM
Seems a bit soon to be releasing another Strontium Dog,I think
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 September, 2017, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 02 September, 2017, 01:48:54 AM
Seems a bit soon to be releasing another Strontium Dog,I think

Agreed, I would have expected another Slaine first, as there needs to be one of those every six issues or so. The first Nikolai Dante is issue 8 so guess Slaine will be 9, possibly the early Belardinelli/McMahon stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 02 September, 2017, 09:06:04 AM
Wow, a second Stront book so soon after Kreeler. Interesting choice. I'd have expected an ABC warriors or something

Do the contents of Nemesis confirm we're getting the full saga?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 September, 2017, 09:57:00 AM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 02 September, 2017, 09:06:04 AM

Do the contents of Nemesis confirm we're getting the full saga?

I think so, as the first volume is the Comic Rock stories, the first three books plus a couple of annual/special stories, and there's enough room in the remaining three volumes for the rest of it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 September, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
Finally got my package (got delivered to my ex-neighbours initially as I moved house at just the wrong time).

Books are gorgeous.  Slaine is stunning (I haven't read any of these before so it was new to me) the art is truly jaw dropping.  Looking forwards to reading Halo next.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: maryanddavid on 02 September, 2017, 09:18:39 PM
Forgive the thickness, but what has the first volume got 32 on the spine?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 02 September, 2017, 10:33:55 PM
Quote from: maryanddavid on 02 September, 2017, 09:18:39 PM
Forgive the thickness, but what has the first volume got 32 on the spine?

When you line up all up on your shelf it will be the 32nd volume of the 80.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: maryanddavid on 03 September, 2017, 12:26:37 AM
I get that, but why not  number 1?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 03 September, 2017, 06:14:25 AM
It's a marketing ploy.
Unless you buy the whole set you end up with a shelf of non sequential numbers and slithers of the spine image with lots of gaps.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 03 September, 2017, 07:35:09 AM
How long did everyone wait for there orders to arrive? I ordered mine on the 29th.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 03 September, 2017, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: marko10174 on 03 September, 2017, 07:35:09 AM
How long did everyone wait for there orders to arrive? I ordered mine on the 29th.

Delivery is within 28 days. I ordered on day subs opened, and received books on Weds 30th.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 03 September, 2017, 11:24:24 AM
The spine numbers thing is partly marketing for sure. But I also prefer to receive different stories each month rather than, say, six months of Slaine or four months of Nikolai Dante.

It's too early to say for sure, but it also looks like (other than the first month) they will be pairing an older classic story with a more recent one. Stront and Shakara, Nemesis and Kingdom, etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 03 September, 2017, 01:15:32 PM
What was the date for the first sub date?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 September, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: JaHawkDroid on 02 September, 2017, 09:06:04 AM
Do the contents of Nemesis confirm we're getting the full saga?

We already know we're getting four volumes and it fits nicely within that - Vol.1 is books I-III plus assorted one-offs (the Kev O'Neill volume); vol.2 must be IV-VI (the Bryan Talbot volume), maybe with his Diceman issue as well? Say Torquemada the God and VII-IX in vol.3 (Hicklenton volume); and vol.4 a bit of a grab-bag of the rest - Bride of the Warlock, Shape of Things to Come, Hammer of Warlocks, Book X, Deadlock, etc  (Henry Flint volume). That's how I'd do it, anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 September, 2017, 03:45:18 PM
As long as Bride is in the right place this time...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 03 September, 2017, 06:13:53 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 September, 2017, 03:45:18 PM
As long as Bride is in the right place this time...

I agree.

I read the Rebellion Nemesis vols 2 and 3 on my recent holiday. I can't understand why they put that at the end. It meant when you were reading the stories from the Prog that events were referred to that you hadn't seen yet e.g. [spoiler]Sister Stern's death.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 September, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 03 September, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
...and vol.4 a bit of a grab-bag of the rest - Bride of the Warlock, Shape of Things to Come, Hammer of Warlocks, Book X, Deadlock, etc  (Henry Flint volume). That's how I'd do it, anyway.

By which, of course, I mean the solo series rather than when he meets Nemesis - maybe Warlocks and Wizards if there's room, but Enigmass Variations? Waste of good paper.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 03 September, 2017, 07:10:02 PM
I hope that 'The Tomb of Torquemada' from the Poster Prog makes it into the mix somewhere. Also wonder if the latest story - 'Tubular Hells' from prog 2000 - will feature to bring us completely up-to-date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 September, 2017, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: oddballuk on 01 September, 2017, 08:50:46 PM
Hmm... this seems to suggest the pre-2000AD/Starlord stuff won't be collected.

Optimist in me hopes the reason is to give them more timr to work on the colour repro for the Starlord strips...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 03 September, 2017, 08:20:33 PM
Alright Folks? Anyone know if 'Brigand Doom' or 'Vector 13' will be in this collection? 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 03 September, 2017, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 03 September, 2017, 08:20:33 PM
Alright Folks? Anyone know if 'Brigand Doom' or 'Vector 13' will be in this collection?

Tharg is concentrating on the bigger name strips, so unlikely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 September, 2017, 09:14:12 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 03 September, 2017, 06:13:53 PM

I agree.

I read the Rebellion Nemesis vols 2 and 3 on my recent holiday. I can't understand why they put that at the end.

Erroneously lumped in as an extra despite being directly in continuity (and important), like the Corey story in Anderson. I did outline this to the editor at the time, and have flagged it with Matt this time, and so here's hoping. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 September, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
shame theres no red seas maybe in the inevitable extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 04 September, 2017, 12:33:38 AM

I'd love to see a complete Finn, but I highly doubt it would ever happen.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 04 September, 2017, 01:29:48 PM
does anyone know if the 1st Shakara volume is a match for the Rebellion Trade?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 September, 2017, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 04 September, 2017, 01:29:48 PM
does anyone know if the 1st Shakara volume is a match for the Rebellion Trade?

Yep, same contents - Books I, II and III.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 04 September, 2017, 03:07:36 PM
awesome. That'll give me a mismatched pair of trades- but a complete story!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 September, 2017, 04:06:20 PM
Will the Kingdom book really just have the first three stories? If so do we expect it to be the only Kingdom volume? I was on hiatus when the strip started and missed everything before Aux Drift...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 September, 2017, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 04 September, 2017, 04:06:20 PM
Will the Kingdom book really just have the first three stories?...

What do you mean by 'just'? That's a decent page count for a £10 book!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: A.Cow on 04 September, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 03 September, 2017, 06:13:53 PM
I read the Rebellion Nemesis vols 2 and 3 on my recent holiday. I can't understand why they put that at the end. It meant when you were reading the stories from the Prog that events were referred to that you hadn't seen yet

That's Khaos for you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 September, 2017, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 04 September, 2017, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 04 September, 2017, 04:06:20 PM
Will the Kingdom book really just have the first three stories?...

What do you mean by 'just'? That's a decent page count for a £10 book!

I'm sure you're right, I'm just wondering whether we should expect the 4th-6th/7th stories to be collected in a second volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 04 September, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
Reply on Facebook RE: Strontium Dog

QuoteThere are no current plans for the Starlord-published Strontium Dog stories to be included.

Thanks for the interest!

Glad I haven't tried selling off my Search/Destroy Files yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 04 September, 2017, 05:40:26 PM
That's a shame.

S/D seems to get short changed in the collected editions - limited stories in the Titans, B/W repro on colour stories of the TPBs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 September, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
QuoteThere are no current plans for the Starlord-published Strontium Dog stories to be included. Thanks for the interest!
That's a really sad, strange and disappointing decision. If we're getting every scrap of Sláine, it's a crying shame to omit one book of Strontium Dog, not least given that means you can't 'replace' your existing phonebooks with the hardbacks. Gah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 04 September, 2017, 06:07:05 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 September, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
QuoteThere are no current plans for the Starlord-published Strontium Dog stories to be included. Thanks for the interest!
That's a really sad, strange and disappointing decision. If we're getting every scrap of Sláine, it's a crying shame to omit one book of Strontium Dog, not least given that means you can't 'replace' your existing phonebooks with the hardbacks. Gah.
Not to mention glorious colour reprints of those Starlord spreads....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 September, 2017, 06:13:10 PM
I honestly think it must be down to the work involved in doing all that colour repro - it wouldn't just be a case of basically just using the files for an existing trade. That said - boo! Was fully planning to replace my phonebooks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 04 September, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
I already had The Horned God in a massive hardback, but for £2 I thought it worthwhile to check out the new edition. First thought - it's a bit small? Were the originals that size? The quality is much better than my old edition though, which possibly got resized the other way a bit too far. I suspect I'll be dipping in as required, as I'm pretty happy with my Rebellion TPBs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 04 September, 2017, 06:48:19 PM
Slightly smaller than the Rebellion hardback, and a lot smaller than the fleetway(?) softback.

I think there was a French edition original size (or close to)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 04 September, 2017, 07:02:17 PM
sp i may get shit for saying this but it is the 2000ad ultimate collection maybe thats why the starlord stuffs being left out?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 September, 2017, 08:31:16 PM
I can't see anyone really making – or at least caring about – that distinction.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 04 September, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Sold my phonebook literally today, and then saw the confirmation that no pre-AD Stront will be included. Damn.  :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Davgardo on 05 September, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
After The Ro-Busters Nuts & Bolts hardbacks I am convinced that at some point they'll do similar with the Strontium Dog Starlord strips plus the first few 2000ad strips including Journey into Hell which, of course, received similar colour treatment. I think that is the main reason they won't release those strips in this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Folkghost on 05 September, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
Looking forward to getting my mits on the Halo Jones book in the next couple of days. Has anyone had a good look at it yet? I'm wondering how Ian Gibson's beautifully detailed artwork from part III has been reproduced in the new Hachette edition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 September, 2017, 05:02:32 PM
Quote from: Folkghost on 05 September, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
Looking forward to getting my mits on the Halo Jones book in the next couple of days. Has anyone had a good look at it yet? I'm wondering how Ian Gibson's beautifully detailed artwork from part III has been reproduced in the new Hachette edition.

I would normally guess 'exactly the same as in the past 3 Rebellion editions' but some of the colours and contrast on Horned God were actually better than in the Rebellion book, so who knows...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 05 September, 2017, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: oddballuk on 04 September, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
Reply on Facebook RE: Strontium Dog

QuoteThere are no current plans for the Starlord-published Strontium Dog stories to be included.

Thanks for the interest!

Glad I haven't tried selling off my Search/Destroy Files yet.
I guess it makes sense as its a 2000ad Ultimate collection not Characters who appear in 2000ad ultimate collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 05 September, 2017, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: Folkghost on 05 September, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
Looking forward to getting my mits on the Halo Jones book in the next couple of days. Has anyone had a good look at it yet? I'm wondering how Ian Gibson's beautifully detailed artwork from part III has been reproduced in the new Hachette edition.

Crisp and clean on good quality paper - only downside is that the pages are smaller than the prog, so may be tricky for old farts like me with deteriorating eyesight
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Folkghost on 05 September, 2017, 06:07:23 PM
That's good to hear.
I think the paper quality makes a real difference when the page size is slightly reduced.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 05 September, 2017, 06:10:29 PM
I really struggled to read Book One of Halo Jones last night. The dialogue seems quite muddy, but not sure if that's down to the repro, or me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 September, 2017, 06:23:34 PM
Might be worth checking out another book – the retro seems OK to me, in terms of dialogue balloons.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 05 September, 2017, 06:24:42 PM
Any chance a kind soul here could put up a picture of their copy? The second page of Book One seems a good one to compare?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 05 September, 2017, 08:41:13 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 September, 2017, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: Folkghost on 05 September, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
Looking forward to getting my mits on the Halo Jones book in the next couple of days. Has anyone had a good look at it yet? I'm wondering how Ian Gibson's beautifully detailed artwork from part III has been reproduced in the new Hachette edition.

Crisp and clean on good quality paper - only downside is that the pages are smaller than the prog, so may be tricky for old farts like me with deteriorating eyesight

Depending on sales the next partwork may be the LARGE PRINT Collection  :o
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 05 September, 2017, 10:30:44 PM

I would imagine the figures that come with the premium sub are going to be worth a fortune one day.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 September, 2017, 07:24:42 AM
The Facebook page has answered a question that the next volume of Slaine will be issue 18. Not sure what the thinking behind this is, as Dante seems to be fairly well spread out across the 80, and it means we'll get one Slaine book every 5 issues or so after the next one. I think the Dredd collection has done a pretty good job of keeping a good balance of Dredd and others, old and new, epics and shorts. There it is though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 06 September, 2017, 07:38:00 AM
Yeah I was a bit gutted about the distance between Slaine volumes. We'll have had 2 of the Nikolai Dante Volume sby then...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 06 September, 2017, 09:52:22 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 06 September, 2017, 07:24:42 AM
The Facebook page has answered a question that the next volume of Slaine will be issue 18. Not sure what the thinking behind this is, as Dante seems to be fairly well spread out across the 80, and it means we'll get one Slaine book every 5 issues or so after the next one. I think the Dredd collection has done a pretty good job of keeping a good balance of Dredd and others, old and new, epics and shorts. There it is though.
The only thing I wonder about this is how they have begun mid-story with Slaine and maybe want to give it a breather before returning with Book 1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 September, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
When is issue #2 due out on the newsstands?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 06 September, 2017, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: karlos on 06 September, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
When is issue #2 due out on the newsstands?

Today!

Apparently my first delivery was dispatched on the 24th... still not arrived...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 September, 2017, 11:28:37 AM
Many thanks, Arkady - just been to Smiths and they've still got #1 out.

I'm guessing it'll appear later this aft/tomorrow.

Cheers!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 06 September, 2017, 11:44:01 AM
Good luck Karlos - the list of release dates is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 September, 2017, 12:04:21 PM
Thanks a million, Arkady - much appreciated!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 September, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
Issue 2 wasn't in my local Thrill-merchant or WH Smith's this morning, anyone spotted it in the wild yet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 06 September, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 06 September, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
Issue 2 wasn't in my local Thrill-merchant or WH Smith's this morning, anyone spotted it in the wild yet?
I came across a Moderator comment reply on a Facebook Ad this morning that said issue two wasn't out until next week. Since then I have seen another ad with it out today as it should be, but I have asked them expressly to confirm which is the case.

Here's the link to the quote: https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1856477321347258?comment_id=1863114207350236&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
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Mestair Jee: When is issue 2 out?
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection:
Hi Mestair,
Issue 2 is out on 13th September.
Hope this helps!
4 hrs
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 September, 2017, 02:58:32 PM
I always knew waiting for Halo Jones would be a mistake.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: iainkey on 07 September, 2017, 08:45:01 AM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 29 August, 2017, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Paul Moore on 29 August, 2017, 07:24:24 PM
Forbidden Planet in Glasgow sells the Hatchette Dredd mega collection (along with the marvel stuff too) as single collections, it might be worth checking your local comic shops, if you missed them
I think I'm going to try & add to the Judge Dredd collection on the cheap rather than buying them at full price.

For anyone interested, the JDMC bundles I bought were from eBay (example here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322586278155) & seem pretty cheap (although listing says minor cover damage, which doesn't really bother me).

I see someone is selling JDMC issues 1-41 on Gumtree for £100 which seems like a bargain for someone, although it's no good for me as I'm nowhere near the seller.

I'll look in the local FP for particular issues later on when I've worked out what ones I actually want so cheers for the recommendation.

Thanks for the heads up on this. Whilst a reader for over 30 years I've only just signed up / subscribed to the new collection. It's peaked my interest in the JD collection too and managed to get one of the bundles containing 8 JDMC issues and 2 Marvels. I emailed the seller and sadly he's not planning on getting more in but here is hoping. I wouldn't want every issue of the JDMC but there are a few!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 07 September, 2017, 09:30:45 AM
Iain - if you only want odd issues, try the Hatchette website and order straight from them - free delivery on orders of over £25:

https://hachettepartworks.com/judge-dredd-the-mega-collection

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 07 September, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
Seems to have been confirmed that Issue 2 has slipped to the 13th - no explanation as to why. Wanting to keep Issue 1 on the shelves for longer? Have they given more away by subscription than expected and are short of shelf stock?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 September, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 07 September, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
Seems to have been confirmed that Issue 2 has slipped to the 13th - no explanation as to why. Wanting to keep Issue 1 on the shelves for longer? Have they given more away by subscription than expected and are short of shelf stock?
Yes had that feedback on FB, god knows the reasoning. No other series has had issue one out for three weeks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Timothy on 07 September, 2017, 10:38:32 AM
The big issue with the slippage is that, unless there is a 3 week gap until issue 3 too, we will be getting this and the mega collection on the same week for some time. That's going to hurt the wallet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 September, 2017, 11:25:54 AM
Quick chat with Hachette customer services says 2 issues every four weeks for subscribers, so hopefully those customers won't see a delay. They said they had no information regarding newsagents.

For newsagent customers twitter's 2000AD says they held it back a week "to make sure everyone could get a copy" and that each following issue will be every two weeks.

Le sigh.

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Hello, I have heard that Issue 2 will not be out until 13th September
Is this true?

Tirego
Hi. Should you be a subscriber, issue 2 has already been dispatched together with issue 1 on the 1st delivery.

You
I'm asking about newsagents, sorry. Do you have that information?

Tirego
Unfortunately, we are not affiliated with the news agents and do not aquire this information.

You
OK, how about this: will subscribers get their second delivery 28 days after their first?

Tirego
It is a fortnightly collection, so every 4 weeks 2 issues are dispacthed

Convo with Tharg:
https://twitter.com/tomwe/status/905725023092080641 (https://twitter.com/tomwe/status/905725023092080641)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 07 September, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
Hmmm, alternate weeks to the MC would have been much better, for wallet and reading purposes.

Also confirmed on Facebook, there will be 2 Ace Trucking volumes, the first of which will be issue 21.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 07 September, 2017, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: iainkey on 07 September, 2017, 08:45:01 AM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 29 August, 2017, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Paul Moore on 29 August, 2017, 07:24:24 PM
Forbidden Planet in Glasgow sells the Hatchette Dredd mega collection (along with the marvel stuff too) as single collections, it might be worth checking your local comic shops, if you missed them
I think I'm going to try & add to the Judge Dredd collection on the cheap rather than buying them at full price.

For anyone interested, the JDMC bundles I bought were from eBay (example here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322586278155) & seem pretty cheap (although listing says minor cover damage, which doesn't really bother me).

I see someone is selling JDMC issues 1-41 on Gumtree for £100 which seems like a bargain for someone, although it's no good for me as I'm nowhere near the seller.

I'll look in the local FP for particular issues later on when I've worked out what ones I actually want so cheers for the recommendation.

Thanks for the heads up on this. Whilst a reader for over 30 years I've only just signed up / subscribed to the new collection. It's peaked my interest in the JD collection too and managed to get one of the bundles containing 8 JDMC issues and 2 Marvels. I emailed the seller and sadly he's not planning on getting more in but here is hoping. I wouldn't want every issue of the JDMC but there are a few!
I bought 2 bundles of 10 JDMC books from that seller so got 20 books for £50, although I've ended up with 2 copies of issues 1-5. I'm pretty happy with them, some of the covers are slightly damaged (ie a corner is bumped, or there's a knock to one of the edges) but the actual pages are perfect. 15 books for £50 works out at only £3.33 each, & there's a lot of good stuff in the ones I got. I just need to find someone to trade the 5 duplicates with.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 September, 2017, 08:55:19 PM
Quotesome of the covers are slightly damaged (ie a corner is bumped, or there's a knock to one of the edges
A bunch of mine are like that anyway, from Hachette.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tombo on 07 September, 2017, 09:56:33 PM
Has it been confirmed that Red Seas isn't been reprinted.  By my reckoning there are still 7 or 8 volumes with unconfirmed content so the whole series could easily be squeezed in.  I known none of the cast appear on the spine but neither do anyone from Meltdown Man, Hewligan's Haircut, or Sooner or Later. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 07 September, 2017, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 September, 2017, 08:55:19 PM
Quotesome of the covers are slightly damaged (ie a corner is bumped, or there's a knock to one of the edges
A bunch of mine are like that anyway, from Hachette.
That's a bummer, & I guess the same thing will happen with the 2000AD Collection. Saying that, I'm not too fussed about the condition (especially if it makes a difference to the price) as my 20 month old son likes running round the house pulling my books off the shelves with his hands covered in porridge so no point worrying too much.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: A.Cow on 08 September, 2017, 01:27:13 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 07 September, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 07 September, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
Seems to have been confirmed that Issue 2 has slipped to the 13th - no explanation as to why. Wanting to keep Issue 1 on the shelves for longer? Have they given more away by subscription than expected and are short of shelf stock?
Yes had that feedback on FB, god knows the reasoning. No other series has had issue one out for three weeks.

I'd scoured a few newsagents looking for issue 2 and saw at least a dozen unsold issue 1s.

The cynic in me suspects that Slaine has proven to be an unpopular choice as a launch title, and distributors are trying to maximise sales before replacing it with Halo Jones (which will undoubtedly fly off the shelves -- even at the higher price point).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 08 September, 2017, 07:04:42 AM
I've had less comic-inclined friends who saw this as an opportunity to get into this sci-fi anthology, who were confused that a sci-fi Partworks launched with a fantasy book. To each their own I guess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 September, 2017, 08:05:52 AM
Quote from: Tombo on 07 September, 2017, 09:56:33 PM
Has it been confirmed that Red Seas isn't been reprinted.  By my reckoning there are still 7 or 8 volumes with unconfirmed content so the whole series could easily be squeezed in.  I known none of the cast appear on the spine but neither do anyone from Meltdown Man, Hewligan's Haircut, or Sooner or Later.

I'm fairly sure Red Seas was answered in the negative on the Facebook page. I don't think Kingdom was known about before earlier this week, there'll be two volumes of Ace Trucking and some Robo-Hunter so will those make up the numbers?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 September, 2017, 08:30:42 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 08 September, 2017, 08:05:52 AM
Quote from: Tombo on 07 September, 2017, 09:56:33 PM
Has it been confirmed that Red Seas isn't been reprinted.  By my reckoning there are still 7 or 8 volumes with unconfirmed content so the whole series could easily be squeezed in.  I known none of the cast appear on the spine but neither do anyone from Meltdown Man, Hewligan's Haircut, or Sooner or Later.

I'm fairly sure Red Seas was answered in the negative on the Facebook page. I don't think Kingdom was known about before earlier this week, there'll be two volumes of Ace Trucking and some Robo-Hunter so will those make up the numbers?

Gene the Hackman is on the spine so was always going to be included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 08 September, 2017, 08:42:21 AM
I know it's been shot down by you guys (who, let's face it, know more than I do), but I can't shake the feeling Zenith might be part of the first 80.

Has anyone asked Tharg on FB?

(I would, but I'm not on it!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 08 September, 2017, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: A.Cow on 08 September, 2017, 01:27:13 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 07 September, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 07 September, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
Seems to have been confirmed that Issue 2 has slipped to the 13th - no explanation as to why. Wanting to keep Issue 1 on the shelves for longer? Have they given more away by subscription than expected and are short of shelf stock?
Yes had that feedback on FB, god knows the reasoning. No other series has had issue one out for three weeks.

I'd scoured a few newsagents looking for issue 2 and saw at least a dozen unsold issue 1s.

The cynic in me suspects that Slaine has proven to be an unpopular choice as a launch title, and distributors are trying to maximise sales before replacing it with Halo Jones (which will undoubtedly fly off the shelves -- even at the higher price point).

My local newsie initially got 5 copies in (it's a relatively small shop in a small town) and sold out and has got another 5 in, only one of which has sold.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 September, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
By my count now, 72 books are confirmed, and at least a further four (possibly five) are definite as well:

CONFIRMED
ABC Warriors: 6
Ace Trucking: 2
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan/Sooner: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Meltdown Man: 1
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Qunich: 1
Savage/Invasion!: 4
Sinister Dexter: 3
Strontium Dog: 10

NUMBERS UNKNOWN
Durham Red ??: 1
Kingdom ??: 1
Robo-Hunter ??: 1
Stickleback ??: 1
Zombo ??: 1

I can't imagine the initial 80 will see anything outside of the above. Durham Red might be counted within Strontium or might not. Regardless, that means there isn't room for existing trade 'upgrades' for all of the 'unknown' books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 September, 2017, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: karlos on 08 September, 2017, 08:42:21 AM
I know it's been shot down by you guys (who, let's face it, know more than I do), but I can't shake the feeling Zenith might be part of the first 80.

Has anyone asked Tharg on FB?

(I would, but I'm not on it!)
yes definitely not included in initial 80, sorry.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 September, 2017, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 September, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
By my count now, 72 books are confirmed, and at least a further four (possibly five) are definite as well:
At this point, other than maybe getting a number on Robo-Hunter, I think I'm happy to wait and see if there are any surprises.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 08 September, 2017, 10:31:26 AM
Many thanks for the confirmation, Tomwe!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 08 September, 2017, 11:33:59 AM

How long did you guys wait until your first order arrived?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 08 September, 2017, 11:46:28 AM
Subscribed on the 21st, supposedly dispatched on the 24th, due to be received within 14 days (i.e. by today), still nothing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 08 September, 2017, 11:57:41 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 29 August, 2017, 06:47:44 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 29 August, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
What the chuff are we talking about the comics about here when we have shelvery like that.

Those Sir Wells are a thing of almost infinite beauty. Is there anymore you could whip out for us all to oggle at?

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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 09 September, 2017, 06:08:48 AM
Quote from: A.Cow on 08 September, 2017, 01:27:13 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 07 September, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 07 September, 2017, 10:23:24 AM

The cynic in me suspects that Slaine has proven to be an unpopular choice as a launch title, and distributors are trying to maximise sales before replacing it with Halo Jones (which will undoubtedly fly off the shelves -- even at the higher price point).

I can't really let that unfounded comment go. Slaine Horned God is one, if not the, best selling reprint 2000ad has ever done. Its an incredible well regarded book and uniquely benefits from having better printing than the original issues. It will sell 5 times the other books at the 1.99p price point and because every new subscriber will definitely start with this issue.

I love Halo and think historically it has huge significance as a feminist book (and just a great story) but Slaine HG is about as popular as it gets. Pat Mills referred to the low price but said he was assured his royalties would be boosted by the incredibly high print run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 09 September, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
The Horned God only appeared on the shelves for one week here - the 'second' official week. The only place nearby stocking it had 5 copies in - all gone now but whether that was sales or cleared off the shelves I don't know. No sign of Halo Jones. Tad annoying as I was in to buy multiple copies as gifts / inducements.

The America issue of Dredd had far more copies in stock.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 September, 2017, 05:38:35 PM
i haven't seen halo anywhere at all did it come out?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 09 September, 2017, 05:41:44 PM
Been delayed a week apparently.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: A.Cow on 09 September, 2017, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: matty_ae on 09 September, 2017, 06:08:48 AM
Quote from: A.Cow on 08 September, 2017, 01:27:13 AM
The cynic in me suspects that Slaine has proven to be an unpopular choice as a launch title, and distributors are trying to maximise sales before replacing it with Halo Jones (which will undoubtedly fly off the shelves -- even at the higher price point).

I can't really let that unfounded comment go. Slaine Horned God is one, if not the, best selling reprint 2000ad has ever done.

A fair point, but I'm guessing that's due to its disproportionate* popularity in mainland Europe.  Is Horned God really such a best-seller within the collection's target market (UK, ROI, Australia/NZ & South Africa)?

I'm no doubt speaking completely from my arse (and from my own personal prejudice against the wearisome barbarian) so please correct me if I'm being presumptuous.

__
* According to Mills (http://old.brokenfrontier.com/lowdown/p/detail/the-horned-god-pat-mills-talks-slaine), "Other 2000AD series have not had the same widespread success in Europe."


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 09 September, 2017, 05:55:59 PM

Do you think the ultimate collection will be a successful as the mega collection? or have a fair chance of rivalling it? I mean, I would imagine the ultimate collection will be more than successful enough to complete it's entire run?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 09 September, 2017, 06:32:17 PM
They have to do the 80 issues or they'll leave a lot of angry unfinished spines.

I may have been a bit too defensive of the Horned God. Yup must of 'us' already have it but this is really about the mainstream. Guys who maybe haven't bought a comic for 20 years but love a bit of Marvel at the cinema and wouldn't mind a 'quirky' collection of comics from their youth.

A guy on the train recognised Rogue Trooper from my Southern Contingent t-shirt and could remember all the chip's names and the planet etc.
"Do you buy 2000ad?" I asked
"What? Is that still going?" He replied. Zero interest in new stuff but hardback of ole Rogue and he's got the Direct Debate happily set-up.

I think this is aimed at him.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 09 September, 2017, 06:33:41 PM
I doubt it will be as successful as the Dredd collection.

There is a big dropoff in popularity in other merchandise, I can't see why this might be any different, plus the mega-collection probably profited off the back of the 2012 home video sales.


I've noticed a couple of things, no idea if it means much though.

The FB likes for the Ultimate Collection are a shade over 2000, the Mega Collection is 14,000+

OK it's early days, and likes don't equal sales, but that's quite a gap to make up.

I also thought it was interesting that in the recent FB live competition, the prize of a subscription for the collection had far fewer entries than those of a PR Lawgiver or a ThreeA Lawmaster, even though the value of a subscription was 10x the value of the other prizes.

Now maybe it was down to the timing, or maybe people just don't have the space/or are a bit more conservative than expected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 September, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
The fact it's happening suggests the sales are such that it's viable, however. If it wasn't, those four initial books would have been it.

I do hope it works out, too. 80 books is stretching Dredd. 90 books is overkill. 80 for 2000 AD is a drop in the ocean. You could easily add another 40 books and still have great material left to run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 09 September, 2017, 07:11:49 PM
Yeah I hope it works out, but I think the argument for anthologies works against a partworks collection of the same (or at least subscribing to one)

The old "ah well, it's an anthology and if you don't like future war, or fantasy, or whatever then there are a bunch of other stories" doesn't really help if you're paying £800 for a collection.

It just magnifies anything the subscriber or potential subscriber doesn't like into a hard to ignore chunk of the collection.

Despite the Dredd collection's questionable stories, I think it appeals more to the completists in that it has a connection to Dredd, which a collection of anthology stories doesn't have.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 09 September, 2017, 09:11:04 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 September, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
The fact it's happening suggests the sales are such that it's viable, however. If it wasn't, those four initial books would have been it.

I do hope it works out, too. 80 books is stretching Dredd. 90 books is overkill. 80 for 2000 AD is a drop in the ocean. You could easily add another 40 books and still have great material left to run.

Im this runs for double that!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 09 September, 2017, 09:55:41 PM
Yes, think the readership of the UC will be approx. 80% us lot i.e existing fanbase, 10% lapsed 2000ad readers and 10% new peeps.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: matty_ae on 10 September, 2017, 08:35:25 AM
Quote from: karlos on 09 September, 2017, 09:55:41 PM
Yes, think the readership of the UC will be approx. 80% us lot i.e existing fanbase, 10% lapsed 2000ad readers and 10% new peeps.

Nope. Cant be.
1) Not enough of us
2) Rebellion could have done that itself

Now 90% new peeps/lapsed readers I'd believe
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 10 September, 2017, 05:01:54 PM
I imagine following Prog 2000 a year back, this could pick up readers like myself who liked comics anyway but used the excitement of Prog 2000 to jump on board. This is an affordable (in relative terms), stylish way to collect the greatest hits of 2000AD without breaking the bank all at once, and can see it being appealing to that group.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 September, 2017, 09:44:16 PM
Mmmm, no VC's on that list?  And regarding Savage/Invasion, will this cover more than whats already out, namely, Invasion, The Guv'nor and Taking Liberties?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 11 September, 2017, 01:19:59 AM
I think it is a paradox that the MC is variable in quality but the UC is is pretty much all killer no filler. I mean you may not like a character or argue that the Slaine and Stront contributions are too high but really this stuff is all pretty much gold. I think its actually easier to get lapsed readers into this stuff and I know several guys who have said 'I wont subscribe but flag up decent individual issues to me..'

I've sorta explained to them that that is pretty hard as the quality is constantly high bar. Its much easier to cherry pick the MC.

Still I think getting them to buy The Kreeler Conspiracy is a good start - that's one absolute top notch fun read - classic art, fun fast action adventure.. if they read and enjoyed 2000AD back in the 80s/90s they'll realise this stuff they haven't read is pure classic 2000AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 11 September, 2017, 12:09:27 PM
I'm not sure it is a paradox. Don't forget Dredd is just one of 5 stories in a typical weekly Prog so there is a lot more non Dredd material to choose from. Given the sheer amount of stuff available, it is much easier for it all to be top quality than the Mega Collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 September, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
Yep. The 2000 AD collection will exhaust most of its heavy hitters in 80 books, but that still leaves an awful lot of really great stuff that won't be collected in that run. Dredd still has a reasonable amount of b+w that's not in the first 80 books, but a half-dozen or so books of largely redeemable dross, and probably another ten that aren't exactly knocking on the 'classic content' door.

I'll continue collecting all the Dredd books, but couldn't give a hoot about the extra ten. The 2000 AD one, though, I'd happily see continue indefinitely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 11 September, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
There seem to be some odd omissions so far - McMahon classics like Christmas comes to Des 0' Connor block, Judge Minty/The Long Walk, and newer ones like My Beautiful Career by Wagner/Coleby.

That last one I think is on par with Bury my Knee, but doesn't seem to get half as much attention.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 September, 2017, 01:33:26 PM
Well, there are ten extra books coming, and we've no idea what'll be in most of those. Seems an ideal time to revisit some of the earlier Dredds that have been missed, since you're basically preaching entirely to the converted at this point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 11 September, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 September, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
There seem to be some odd omissions so far - McMahon classics like Christmas comes to Des 0' Connor block...

Possibly the single greatest Dredd one off episode of all time (?). Of the " comedy" ones anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 September, 2017, 05:29:29 PM
Anyone order on or after 21 August and received theirs already?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 11 September, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
the lack of kenny who was a crime
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 12 September, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 11 September, 2017, 05:29:29 PM
Anyone order on or after 21 August and received theirs already?

I subscribed on the 25th, and received mine today. It was delivered by Hermes, and I'm based in Sheffield, if that's any help.

Yep, the mug is a bit shit, but it is also a mug with Chris Weston art adorning it so therefore it cannot be shit!
The free poster is smaller than the one with the newsagent version, oddly.*
Repro on Halo Jones is, so far, thoroughly acceptable.** Not brilliant, but acceptable.


*I don't really want either of 'em. PM me your address - first one to do so gets both absolutely free!
**Only read Book One so far, so appreciate it could get better.***



*** I'm starting to feel like Frank...  :-\
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 13 September, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
Halo Jones is now on the newsstands.

Can't open my copy yet as I'm at work, but Wolly's statement about the repro. is a wee bit disappointing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 13 September, 2017, 12:10:51 PM
A change I've noticed between the pilot Halo issue and the new one is that the title and intro pages have been coloured. Wonder whether this the plan for all the black & white volumes to break them up a bit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 September, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 13 September, 2017, 12:10:51 PM
A change I've noticed between the pilot Halo issue and the new one is that the title and intro pages have been coloured. Wonder whether this the plan for all the black & white volumes to break them up a bit.
Didn't the trial covers have a 'corner box' image as well? Something else to help see what the books is without taking it off the shelf all together. Guess was messy design.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 13 September, 2017, 07:00:57 PM
I received my first order about two weeks ago and was delighted with my mug, poster and the two novels. I had never read The Ballad of Halo Jones so to sit down and read the whole thing was a treat for me. I think the quality is great and I'm looking forward to receiving my next two.

There was a lot of debate about subscribing to this collection as many people are already subscribed to the MC and others. Would that not explain the reduced numbers signing up ?

As someone who read 2000AD for years, lapsed and returned within the last two years I see the collection as a way for me to re-read strips I'm already familiar with and become acquainted with characters I would have missed out on in the meantime. There's plenty of JD stuff out there already that I hope to get caught up on over the coming years but the release of this collection is just perfectly timing for me.

I am hoping the series will feature stories that might not have been reprinted except as part of a collection like this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 September, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
A secondary thing is that some of the material that was reprinted in the past didn't have a long print life and goes for premiums on Amazon and Abe these days.  Some of the Savage stuff for instance.  Depending on what is being reprinted if, if all you are wanting is something to read (like me), rather than an original collection, this is ideal.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 13 September, 2017, 11:38:48 PM
Despite the lack of info on the spines rubbing my OCD bone the wrong way, the sheer handsomeness of the first volume persuaded me to sign up for more. Rather than subscribe and get free gifts (I've enough junk cluttering up me domicile, tank ya very mooch), I've got my local comic shop thrill - merchant to order me a copy. Which is lovely, because he's been looking for a way into 2000ad for years (despite me giving him a lengthy chat once a week when I pick up my prog, and pointing out all the jumping on isssues). 
So yeah, here's Halo Jones, the book looks gorgeous, and it was wonderful to revisit it again. Top collection, cheers Tharg.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 14 September, 2017, 01:52:46 PM
Private message on Facebook informs me that Robo-Hunter will be 3 volumes.

No Millar run (thankfully) collected or the Samantha Slade spin-off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 September, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
On that basis, 75 books are now known. So the only questions are, of the remaining five, what's the split between Kingdom, Stickleback and Zombo? (And is Durham Red part of the Strontium Dog ten or not?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 September, 2017, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 September, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
Of the remaining five what's the split between Kingdom, Stickleback and Zombo? (And is Durham Red part of the Strontium Dog ten or not?)
Pretty sure Stickleback was a single volume in FB replies.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jamie1000013 on 14 September, 2017, 08:58:38 PM
I'm already getting the Mega collection so I think I'll just buy volumes off of Hachette's site tbh. I really really want the sketch book you get free on the 9th delivery though, hopefully someone Ebay's it >.<. I've already picked up the first 2 volumes at my local store not sure how long they will put them out for maybe up to issue 10 or so, the Mega collection didn't last too long in stores for me.

I think I will pick up:

Sinister Dexter all volumes (Only read new stuff prog 1900 plus)
Rogue Trooper (never read)
Strontium dog (All volumes, read little bits)
Kingdom
Shakara (Never read)
Nemesis the Warlock (Never read)
Durnham Red (Never Read)

Probably dodging:

Slaine
Stickleback
Zombo (Read them all)
Nikolai Dantae (Not my thing, tried didn't like)

Anyone recommend me any to look out for?

Will there be any ULYSSES SWEET? For some reason I really enjoyed that strip that started in prog 1912
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 14 September, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: oddballuk on 14 September, 2017, 01:52:46 PM
Private message on Facebook informs me that Robo-Hunter will be 3 volumes.

No Millar run (thankfully) collected or the Samantha Slade spin-off.

So, that should collect all the classic Sam Slade stuff - but is there also room in those 3 volumes for the later Hogan/Hughes run?

As I've never read the Samantha Slade stuff, would you guys recommend it?  And why did it seem to finish so abruptly?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 September, 2017, 09:19:12 PM
Zero chance for Ulysses Sweet. By the looks of it, Kingdom might only be one book, too. I hope not.

Robo-Hunter: the two existing books clock in at about 770 pages. That puts them beyond the Hachette page count for three books. My guess: it'll be the classic Slade run, omitting some or all of Hogan/Hughes. Samantha Slade was... OK. It finished abruptly because Ian Gibson decided he didn't want to illustrate it any more, and I assume Alan Grant then lost interest in writing further series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 14 September, 2017, 09:31:53 PM
Thanks for the reply, IndigoPrime!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 September, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
Advert in 2049 for Shakara "on sale now", continues to suggest the three weeks Issue 1 spent on the stands was not originally planned.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 17 September, 2017, 05:39:45 PM
Weren't some pages of Halo Jones originally in colour? If so how come that's not reproduced here?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 17 September, 2017, 05:54:25 PM
Because they don't always reproduce colour spreads.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 18 September, 2017, 11:12:22 AM
Christ, Hachette don't make things easy for the subscriber, do they.
I subbed to the trial and when that finished I was told I would get the first four issues of the re-launch for free. Fair enough. When it did re-start I upgraded to premium and was then promptly charged for the first two issues.
I sent them an email and contacted them on FB three weeks ago, but to no avail. So one, difficult to understand, telephone conversation later I have been told that the first three issues will now be free and the lady said she would clear my account down so it read a nil balance. I did explain that I should be paying £4.50 (3x £1.50 for the premium) which I was happy to pay but she declined it and said I did not have to pay it.
Can't say I'm overly confident that everything has been sorted and a bit miffed that I'm going to be charged for the fourth volume but having been on the telephone for 12 minutes and having a time delay in the conversation that meant we kept talking over each other I'm going to let the fourth free issue slide. It's worth a tenner just to get out of that call with my sanity still intact.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 18 September, 2017, 01:19:01 PM
I'm really enjoying the collection, but the prospect of having to call the hachette 'helpline' (surely an ironic title?) reduces me to a sobbing, blubbery mess.  I have no issue with an overseas helpline, but surely there has to be a basic level of competency insisted on?  It's monumentally painful having to deal with them when things go wrong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 18 September, 2017, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 18 September, 2017, 01:19:01 PM
I'm really enjoying the collection, but the prospect of having to call the hachette 'helpline' (surely an ironic title?) reduces me to a sobbing, blubbery mess.  I have no issue with an overseas helpline, but surely there has to be a basic level of competency insisted on?  It's monumentally painful having to deal with them when things go wrong.

I don't mind the 'help' line being overseas if they pay for a decent line. I can barely hear them and the delay is infuriating.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 18 September, 2017, 05:01:27 PM
Anyone had the 3rd and 4th books yet?  I've just noticed a £9.99 charge on my account (which I assume is the fourth book) but I've not had the books yet.  I've never been charged for the JD Mega Collection books before receiving them so wondered if anyone else had come across this?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 September, 2017, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 18 September, 2017, 05:01:27 PM
Anyone had the 3rd and 4th books yet?  I've just noticed a £9.99 charge on my account (which I assume is the fourth book) but I've not had the books yet.  I've never been charged for the JD Mega Collection books before receiving them so wondered if anyone else had come across this?
Mine is the same - I think this is the 'new' style Hachette account, where the charge on the account means the books have been allocated. It's £9.99 as there's a free book with delivery 2, so issues three and four should be with us in the next two weeks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 18 September, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
That would put issue 4, if not issue 3, in the hands of subscribers before it hits the shelves. Which would be nice. I take it that's not how it works for the Mega Collection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
Depends where you are in the dispatch queue. If you're at the front, you tend to get your books around the time the first is on sale. If you're further back, it's between the two. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 September, 2017, 08:58:59 PM
I decided not to renew after the test sub, but they still sent me 1&2 again (free) plus the mug and poster - I e-mailed just to confirm I wasn't going to be subbing, so I don't know if they'll send me another #3 as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 19 September, 2017, 07:18:48 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
Depends where you are in the dispatch queue. If you're at the front, you tend to get your books around the time the first is on sale. If you're further back, it's between the two.

Spot on. I'm at the front of the queue and get both volumes before the first has hit the newsagents but only by a day or so.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 September, 2017, 09:31:38 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 18 September, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
That would put issue 4, if not issue 3, in the hands of subscribers before it hits the shelves. Which would be nice. I take it that's not how it works for the Mega Collection?
The Mega Collection's subscription page is more detailed - it shows the two books being allocated (though not their issue numbers since the text is too long for the screen), which then arrive after about two weeks, and then a separate listing for the payment.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 19 September, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Do we know whether the Shakara volume is the complete Shakara?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 September, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
It's basically a hardback of the first Rebellion volume, isn't it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 September, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 19 September, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Do we know whether the Shakara volume is the complete Shakara?
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 September, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
It's basically a hardback of the first Rebellion volume, isn't it?
Squinty here for the lowdown:
(http://www.2000adcollection.com/wp-content/themes/2000ad/im/collection-issue3-DPS1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 19 September, 2017, 11:10:49 AM
Yep, from those numbers Barney suggests that this just includes the first three series, up to the end of The Defiant (160 pages), leaving some 147 pages of Destroyer and Avenger to go.  Hopefully in a future volume?

Makes the subtitle of this volume a bit odd though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 September, 2017, 11:19:16 AM
That also makes for a skinny book, given that they need to be in the 200–250 range, according to Matt Smith. Must be padded out some (covers/sketches/texty bits).
Title: Re: New Hachette tests
Post by: Tomwe on 19 September, 2017, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 September, 2017, 11:19:16 AM
That also makes for a skinny book, given that they need to be in the 200–250 range, according to Matt Smith. Must be padded out some (covers/sketches/texty bits).
Here's abelardsnazz on the content of the Shakara test volume from May:
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 02 May, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Interesting point. I haven't done a page count but the Shakara volume is bulked out with character sketches, covers etc.

Total strip page count for The Horned God and Halo Jones are 187 and 199 respectively so the full volumes come in at around the 200 mark.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 19 September, 2017, 12:02:44 PM
There's also reference to Megazine 339 in that list of sources, which does feature a 4-page Henry Flint-drawn Future Shock.

EDIT: which I see Abelardsnazz helpfully listed some 4 months ago, along with everything else we've been discussing... I feel sure there was a time when I could remember things, but I can't think when.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 19 September, 2017, 01:23:41 PM
As with Kingdom, I really want to know whether there will be a second volume covering the remaining published work or whether I should buy the relevant trade instead.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 19 September, 2017, 05:11:42 PM
Good to know some people read my ramblings!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 19 September, 2017, 05:33:48 PM
The shakara doesn't have any other book listed, maybe if it gets extended
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 19 September, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 September, 2017, 11:19:16 AM
That also makes for a skinny book, given that they need to be in the 200–250 range, according to Matt Smith. Must be padded out some (covers/sketches/texty bits).

there is a wee bit of padding - as well as vols 1-3 (Shakara, The Assassin & The Defiant) there's a 6 page illustrated interview with the creators, plus 12 pages of covers and sketches
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 20 September, 2017, 12:13:53 PM
Shakara and Kingdom will both have a second volume - confirmed on Twitter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 20 September, 2017, 12:32:53 PM
Is that 79 confirmed volumes so far?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 September, 2017, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 20 September, 2017, 12:32:53 PM
Is that 79 confirmed volumes so far?

I think so, the only difference between my list and IndigoPrime's is he has four books for Invasion/Savage and I don't recall that being confirmed at all?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 20 September, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 20 September, 2017, 12:13:53 PM
Shakara and Kingdom will both have a second volume - confirmed on Twitter.

Good stuff.  That guarantees them a sale of those four books to me, instead of none.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 20 September, 2017, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 September, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 20 September, 2017, 12:13:53 PM
Shakara and Kingdom will both have a second volume - confirmed on Twitter.

Good stuff.  That guarantees them a sale of those four books to me, instead of none.

Pleases me too. Woukd have felt weird to have the first half in the Collection and have to get the rest in a soft cover trade. Maybe that's just me being OCD, but it would have grated.

Shout-out for Cannon Fodder being the 80th volume!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 September, 2017, 01:40:58 PM
Shakara not having the other half of the story would have been an odd decision, given that it's finite. (Getting only a bit of Stickleback and Kingdom is irksome, but there's at least the chance of an extension.)

Quote from: Tomwe on 20 September, 2017, 12:43:01 PMI think so, the only difference between my list and IndigoPrime's is he has four books for Invasion/Savage and I don't recall that being confirmed at all?
You're right. I just checked Facebook, and someone confirms both Invasion and Savage are included, but not how many books we'll get. So that's a minimum of 2. As far as I can tell, 73 volumes have been confirmed now, and three/four characters, too. Here's my current list, which makes 80:

CONFIRMED
ABC Warriors: 6
Ace Trucking: 2
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan/Sooner: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Kingdom: 2
Meltdown Man: 1
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante [complete]: 9
Robo-Hunter: 3
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara [complete]: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Qunich: 1
Sinister Dexter: 3
Strontium Dog [no Starlord]: 10

NUMBERS UNKNOWN
Durham Red: 1
Savage/Invasion!: 4
Stickleback: 1
Zombo: 1

With the above, Durham Red may or may not be a standalone. (I'd argue it would be odd if it's part of the Strontium Dog books. It's a different series, in the way ABC Warriors is not Nemesis the Warlock.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 September, 2017, 02:19:56 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 September, 2017, 01:40:58 PMsomeone confirms both Invasion and Savage are included, but not how many books we'll get. So that's a minimum of 2.
I think you're on the money with the four - one for Invasion matching the Rebellion book and then three for Savage, adding one more to what is already in print/collected.

So yeah, thats our 80. Three years until the extension, and a heck of a lot to read in the meantime!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 September, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 September, 2017, 01:40:58 PM
With the above, Durham Red may or may not be a standalone. (I'd argue it would be odd if it's part of the Strontium Dog books. It's a different series, in the way ABC Warriors is not Nemesis the Warlock.)

Do we know exactly what it will be...? The Abnett-Harrison run?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 September, 2017, 04:20:01 PM
it is the abnett/harrison run
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 September, 2017, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 September, 2017, 04:20:01 PM
it is the abnett/harrison run

GET IN! That is going to be one sexy hardback...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 20 September, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
That list is great for me, at least 50 books of stuff i dont have and will really like! Really nice wuality as well, hope it manages the whole run
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 September, 2017, 07:40:47 PM
To further clarify, Durham Red – according to Tharg himself – is the entire Abnett run in a single volume.

As for that list, what strikes me about it is how much scope there is for an extension, in the way that's just not the case to the same level for Dredd. Within three years, you'd have a slew of additional material in the Prog; but even if Rebellion's not keen about duplication, you've loads of John Smith stuff, more Dredd/Anderson to add, existing Rebellion tomes that won't have been in the collection for Stickleback, Zombo, Kingdom, and so on.

I'm continuing with the Dredd run because, well, why not? But this one I'd be properly happy to see extended to 100–120 books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 September, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
yeah what he said i really hope for some red seas and a ton of smithiverse stuff in a possible extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 20 September, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
Surely the greatest fear is that one of the three Dredd will be Helter Skelter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 20 September, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: BPP on 20 September, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
Surely the greatest fear is that one of the three Dredd will be Helter Skelter.

Helter Skelter already appeared in The Day The Law Died volume of the Mega Collection, and it's been confirmed there won't be any duplication between the two collections, so fear not.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 September, 2017, 10:10:57 PM
Shows how much effect it had on me – I totally forgot it has been in the MC. (Although I also now recall not finding it too bad a read in one hit.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 21 September, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
Never got over rereading it in the Carlos collection. It must mindwipe from me automatically.

Just Crusade to fear then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 21 September, 2017, 10:20:51 AM
Ditch Inferno, which I assume was in the Mega Collection, and the rest of the Summer Offensive makes up 184 pages. Instant buy for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 21 September, 2017, 12:16:12 PM
Those are good numbers. Ditch Really & Truly and you'd have room for more Big Dave.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 September, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 September, 2017, 12:16:12 PMand you'd have room for more Big Dave
That, for me, very much isn't a positive. I struggle to think of anything 2000 AD has ever run that's as divisive (and, to my mind, as absurdly off target/scattergun with its barbs).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 21 September, 2017, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 September, 2017, 12:16:12 PM
Those are good numbers. Ditch Really & Truly and you'd have room for more Big Dave.
Except Really & Truly was the one genuinely good strip in the Summer Offensive! Happy for a Complete Big Dave at some point in the future though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 September, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
isn't big dave legit owned my the creators because fleetway wanted nothing to do with it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 September, 2017, 02:28:50 PM
On Facebook Des Doyle asks:
QuoteIn this weeks Prog it's advertised that Shakara is out now but it isn't right?? It should be out next week with the Mega Collection?? Something seems to have gone askew with the marketing of these volumes as opposed to their actual release dates - can you clarify?
...and the answer clears up what happened there, if not why.
Quote2000 AD Hachette's decision to put The Horned God on sale for an extra week took place after the recent issues had been sent to print, so there was nothing we could do about the adverts. It's sorted for future issues though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 22 September, 2017, 12:00:58 AM
Was just about to go to bed and noticed a big box on my chair. It was issues 3&4 (Shakara and Stront) and another mug with better printing. Anyone else get this?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 22 September, 2017, 06:10:33 AM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 21 September, 2017, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 September, 2017, 12:16:12 PM
Those are good numbers. Ditch Really & Truly and you'd have room for more Big Dave.
Except Really & Truly was the one genuinely good strip in the Summer Offensive! Happy for a Complete Big Dave at some point in the future though.

Really & Truly is in the Rian Hughes's hardback compilation Yesterday's Tomorrows, along with Dare - Gosh was still selling copies for a £10 last time I was in!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 22 September, 2017, 07:30:10 AM
Quote
Except Really & Truly was the one genuinely good strip in the Summer Offensive!

You wot, Cosh? It may have been the prettiest strip, but it was empty drivel. Maybe it was because I was reading a half dozen identical cutesy trippy non-stories in other comics at the time, but it committed the one unforgiveable crime on the 2000AD statute books: being boring. Slaughterbowl FTW.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 22 September, 2017, 08:23:09 AM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 22 September, 2017, 12:00:58 AM
Was just about to go to bed and noticed a big box on my chair. It was issues 3&4 (Shakara and Stront) and another mug with better printing. Anyone else get this?

Congrats! I'm not at all bitterly jealous that you have these in time for the weekend. I assume you were an early subscriber? Cool that they're sending them out so far in advance of the shelf date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 22 September, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 September, 2017, 07:30:10 AM
QuoteExcept Really & Truly was the one genuinely good strip in the Summer Offensive!
You wot, Cosh? It may have been the prettiest strip, but it was empty drivel. Maybe it was because I was reading a half dozen identical cutesy trippy non-stories in other comics at the time, but it committed the one unforgiveable crime on the 2000AD statute books: being boring. Slaughterbowl FTW.
One mans empty drivel is another man's frothy summer fun! With fabulous art. Out of interest, what were the other stories as I certainly wasn't reading anything else like it.

And while it grieves me to have to disagree with you twice in one post, I've never got the love for Slaughterbowl. For me, it's the one John Smith story that offers nothing. If there was ever a time when serial-killers on dinosaurs were boring, that as it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 September, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
I quite liked Slaughterbowl, but it felt like an extended Future Shock, given the twist. It probably would have worked well in the 3hrillers format, perhaps. As for the notion of 'empty drivel', that rather summed up that entire period for me. Maniac 5 was brainless entertainment, but I don't have any interest in reading it again – and certainly not in hardback. Really & Truly was breezy fun, but inessential (and I already have that Hughes collection in hardback). Big Dave remains one of the more troubling things I've ever read in 2000 AD, on the basis of how much it misses the mark. (Satire only works if you have at least some precision. Big Dave too often became just as hideous as the things it's supposed to be rallying against.)

I wouldn't care if strips like Maniac 5 or Slaughterbowl end up in the floppy, but I'd sooner they get to the back of the queue in a collection that still doesn't include the likes of Zenith, Red Seas, Firekind and Indigo Prime.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 22 September, 2017, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 22 September, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
One mans empty drivel is another man's frothy summer fun! With fabulous art. Out of interest, what were the other stories as I certainly wasn't reading anything else like it.

Lawks, I dunno, seemed like everything late '80s/early '90s drawn by Alan Martin, Philip Bond, Evan Dorkin, Jamie Hewlett and even Jamie Hernandez on occasion was kooky plotless meanderings with cute girls, SF gadgets and druggy overtones: and it wasn't as good as any of those! It might be fairer to say that I was bored, rather than it was boring: there's a sort of Pirate Corps$/Planet Swerve/Tank Girl mash-up in my head that probably needs unpicking, but by '93 I'd read too much of 'it'.

Obviously the Hughes art lifts it above the  awful, but perhaps a re-read would put the whole thing in a better light.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 22 September, 2017, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 September, 2017, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 22 September, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
One mans empty drivel is another man's frothy summer fun! With fabulous art. Out of interest, what were the other stories as I certainly wasn't reading anything else like it.
Lawks, I dunno, seemed like everything late '80s/early '90s drawn by Alan Martin, Philip Bond, Evan Dorkin, Jamie Hewlett and even Jamie Hernandez on occasion was kooky plotless meanderings with cute girls, SF gadgets and druggy overtones: and it wasn't as good as any of those! It might be fairer to say that I was bored, rather than it was boring: there's a sort of Pirate Corps$/Planet Swerve/Tank Girl mash-up in my head that probably needs unpicking, but by '93 I'd read too much of 'it'.

Obviously the Hughes art lifts it above the  awful, but perhaps a re-read would put the whole thing in a better light.
Fair enough. I'll have to confess my complete ignorance of the first two and I only ever read Tank Girl after the fact. So, perhaps it seemed fresher to me. In addition, I don't mind a bit of zaniness to offset the polemics and brutality: Hewligan's Haircut and Shamballa go together like a horse and marriage...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 September, 2017, 02:54:32 PM
oh my god haircut time flies AND shamballa ran in the same progs didn't they? :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 22 September, 2017, 03:42:32 PM
My issues so should be in the post and I expect to receive them next week.

I had heard something that concerned me .. friend of a friend etc ... They said that sometimes Hatchette don't always send what they are supposed to so you *might* get two issues of say 45 and then none of 27.
Has anyone experienced this? One of the benefits (for me) of signing up was that everything would just be sent to me and I wouldn't have to worry about missing issues or orders not being sent at all etc etc

Say it ain't so...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 September, 2017, 04:14:00 PM
So far – and we're, what, about 70 issues into the Dredd run? – I've had no missed issues, and none sent in error. I've had some prangs and damages, but received replacements whenever I've asked for one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 September, 2017, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 22 September, 2017, 03:42:32 PM
My issues so should be in the post and I expect to receive them next week.

I had heard something that concerned me .. friend of a friend etc ... They said that sometimes Hatchette don't always send what they are supposed to so you *might* get two issues of say 45 and then none of 27.
Has anyone experienced this? One of the benefits (for me) of signing up was that everything would just be sent to me and I wouldn't have to worry about missing issues or orders not being sent at all etc etc

Say it ain't so...

Any packing or printing errors like this can be sorted via a DM to the Facebook page, or directly with Hachette customer services though I recommend the former.
I've had a few 'one off' printing errors replaced, as well as one line wide mistake. Usually takes a couple of weeks for replacements to arrive but they do come.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 September, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
If you do need replacements, it might also be worth asking them if they can be packaged well. I got a Total War replacement that looked like someone had used it as a football, because it was sent loose in a thin bubblewrap envelope.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 23 September, 2017, 07:39:24 PM

It's Shakara and Strontium dog next isn't it? do they all get sent out at the same time? or depending on when you subscribed?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 September, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
With the Dredd collection, deliveries happened across a four-week period. I've no idea whether that's the case with this one. There's definitely at least a little variance, however.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 23 September, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
Why does that list have so many Slaine and Strontium Dog?  Nothing against them, but there are so many stories that could be done.  For instance, I see no mention of the VC's.  I have the two graphic novels, but the last one was left at a bit of a cliffhanger, also, Savage, is there going to be more material than what has been printed already?  I also assume it won't have the spin off Savage story (Disaster was it?) where he drove around flooded Britain in a DUKW.  Just how far will Rogue be taken, I have the 6 graphic novels that were released originally, the 86ers and the Extreme Edition with Cinnibar.

I'm surprised that there seems to be none of the future sports like Harlem Heroes/Inferno or Mean Streets.

Is there anything else people would like to have seen?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 23 September, 2017, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 23 September, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
I'm surprised that there seems to be none of the future sports like Harlem Heroes/Inferno or Mean Streets.

Future sport has always been the least popular strip category in 2000AD since forever.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 September, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 23 September, 2017, 08:09:29 PMIs there anything else people would like to have seen?
Loads, as noted elsewhere. But this is a collection about heavy-hitters (of which Sláine and Strontium Dog are arguably the biggest). Perhaps if it's a success, an extension will allow more tales to be collected.

As for one of your specific points, I doubt Savage will be much or anything beyond what's already been released by Rebellion in paperback.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 23 September, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
Thanks to everyone who replied to my post, I am certainly relieved to hear this feedback. I'm not on facebook so I won't have that option but in the (unlikely) event of an error I won't have to worry needlessly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 23 September, 2017, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 23 September, 2017, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 23 September, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
I'm surprised that there seems to be none of the future sports like Harlem Heroes/Inferno or Mean Streets.

Future sport has always been the least popular strip category in 2000AD since forever.

I must admit that I did like Harlem Heroes, which I had initially got in the Extreme Edition.  I was eager to read Inferno, even though some of the national stereotypes in Heroes were a bit....over the top.

Inferno just didn't seem as good a read, and I remember Mean Streets, but if it wasn't reprinted I wouldn't be bothered as I wasn't a fan (no pun intended) at the time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 23 September, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 23 September, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
I also assume it won't have the spin off Savage story (Disaster was it?) where he drove around flooded Britain in a DUKW.

It's called Disaster 1990. It was reprinted in a floppy a couple of years ago. Not that that precludes it from appearing in the Ultimate Collection. There is something else that might though - which is it wasn't very good. (IMO).

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 24 September, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
Got payment collected for issue 4 last week but no books yet, could this be due to them delaying issue two for a week, also anyone got any idea on what the hatchett break even point is as the 2000adcollection has a hell of a lot of less likes and followers then judge dredd
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 24 September, 2017, 04:05:37 PM
Quote from: moly on 24 September, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
Got payment collected for issue 4 last week but no books yet, could this be due to them delaying issue two for a week, also anyone got any idea on what the hatchett break even point is as the 2000adcollection has a hell of a lot of less likes and followers then judge dredd

I have no idea of the breakeven point, however I can't see them cancelling the collection now it's begun
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 September, 2017, 06:27:18 PM
Viability is all that matters. It's unlikely they'd have kicked off this collection if it wasn't viable, off of the basis of the test run sales.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 24 September, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 23 September, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 23 September, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
I also assume it won't have the spin off Savage story (Disaster was it?) where he drove around flooded Britain in a DUKW.

It's called Disaster 1990. It was reprinted in a floppy a couple of years ago. Not that that precludes it from appearing in the Ultimate Collection. There is something else that might though - which is it wasn't very good. (IMO).

I love Disaster 1990!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 24 September, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
If Nikolai Dante will be Vol 1-9, isn't it a bit odd that the Kreeler Conspiracy will be Vol 11? Doesnt that mean that Stront won't be in chronological order on the Shelf? Maybe I'm just confused about Stront's convoluted running order.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 September, 2017, 08:27:12 PM
Is Dante confirmed to be 1–9? I've not seen that anywhere, just that there will be vols 1–9 for that series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 24 September, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
Ah I assumed that's how they'd play it. Perhaps not.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 September, 2017, 09:24:45 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 September, 2017, 08:27:12 PM
Is Dante confirmed to be 1–9? I've not seen that anywhere, just that there will be vols 1–9 for that series.
When the FB Page first confirmed Dante they listed the book's issue and volume numbers which I too took to be vols 1-9 on the shelf, but in hindsight that may be completely wrong and will also solve an issue I had with the stronts volumes bumping into Nemesis in running order. Thanks for bringing this up!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jamie1000013 on 24 September, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
I'm gunna have to wait a while till 18 books in a row are good, as I really really want that sketch book in good condition. Is this the same sketch book as the free item you get on the 9th delivery:

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/merchandise/XB521

Looks like it tbh. Can you start your subscription from any book at any time? If I wait like 9 months can I start it from issue 3 for instance? I just want a clear run without a Nikolai Dante or Slaine volume. I want to read some Rogue trooper after that awesome 10 page story in prog 2050 this week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 September, 2017, 10:32:16 PM
"I just want a clear run without a Nikolai Dante or Slaine volume."

Given that we only know the first eight issues so far, and given that one fifth of the entire collection is Slain and Dante, it's hard to know where you'd get a clear run without those two characters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 24 September, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 24 September, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
If Nikolai Dante will be Vol 1-9, isn't it a bit odd that the Kreeler Conspiracy will be Vol 11? Doesnt that mean that Stront won't be in chronological order on the Shelf? Maybe I'm just confused about Stront's convoluted running order.

Kreeler Conspiracy is an odd one. It's it's own thing.

Plus publishing order doesn't equal continuity - you've got all the flashback tales published after the Final Solution which fit in before and after Johnny meets Wulf.

Do you put them in publication order, or arrange the lost tales so they fit in some sort of continuity?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: seanharry on 25 September, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
Looking at the planned strips to be reprinted in the 2000ad collection, I'm a bit disappointed.

I mean, I appreciate that it's the cream of the crop, but the entire run seems to be made up of stories that are already easily available in collected format, and that I already have, sometimes multiple volumes due to them being printed by Titan and Rebellion in graphic novel collections.

The great thing about the Mega Collection is that a lot of Dredd World stories, particularly those that appeared in the Megazine, that had not seen reprint in a graphic novel collection, saw print in this series.

Now, I get that they are looking to get the most popular and iconic stories out there, but I already have three separate collections of Nemesis, three of ABC Warriors, three of Ro-Busters and two of Slaine, on my bookshelf.

It would have been nice to finally see collections of:-
Freaks
Night Zero
Bad City Blues
Firekind
Mean Arena
Silo
Rose O'Rion
Synnamon
Dash Descent
Big Dave
Finn
The Dead
Slaughterbowl
Tyranny Rex (perhaps coupled with Hap Hazzard?)
Heroes Of Harlem (Steve Dillon version)

And I know that they are crap, but their is some gorgeous artwork by the likes of Ron Smith, Will Simpson and Casanovas that goes uncollected because everybody hates the writing in the Rogue Trooper and Robo Hunter reboots.

And I'm leaving out the crap stuff like Junker, which I'd still like a collection of for John Ridgeways art.

I know some of these were reprinted as floppies in the Megazine, but I'd like them reprinted in a format that I can put on my bookshelf.

I personally feel that this is a real missed opportunity.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 September, 2017, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: seanharry on 25 September, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
And I'm leaving out the crap stuff like Junker...

...but including the Harlem Heroes reboot? Well, okaaaaay...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 25 September, 2017, 07:11:29 PM
you know when i think of "ultimate" not a single one of that list you posted would be anywhere near it and thats an actual fan of tyranny rex saying that

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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: seanharry on 25 September, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 25 September, 2017, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: seanharry on 25 September, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
And I'm leaving out the crap stuff like Junker...

...but including the Harlem Heroes reboot? Well, okaaaaay...

Artwork by Steve Dillon.

Don't care about the script. If it's art by Steve Dillon then I want a collection over it just to enjoy his genius.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 25 September, 2017, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: seanharry on 25 September, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
If it's art by Steve Dillon then I want a collection over it just to enjoy his genius.

See, this sounds like a sensible idea in theory.  But all I can ever think when I look at lovely art like Dillon on HH, Ridgeway on Junker, Ron Smith on Rogue Trooper/Chronos Carnival, Ezquerra on Inferno, John Higgins on Greysuit etc etc is WHAT A BLOODY WASTE.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2017, 08:24:55 PM
QuoteIt would have been nice to finally see collections of:-
I do think they've perhaps missed a trick by not offering a few more strips outside of the heavy hitters, and the lack of John Smith content is a real blow. No Indigo Prime? No Firekind? The problem, though, is this thing needs to be viable. Dash Decent isn't going to do that. Mean Arena and Synnamon? Nope. (And if Tyranny Rex is going to be in the mix, surely that should just be woven into Indigo Prime.)

But the 'art alone' side of things doesn't cut it for me. The Dredd collection suffers in a few books in that manner. Some of the art is fine but the strips are crap. They're no fun to read, and if they're no fun to read (or not even interesting), what is the point? Harlem Heroes is a case in point. I dreaded its appearance in the recent floppies, and the idea of paying 10 quid for a hardback fills me with horror. Sure, some of the art is fine, but if I want some pretty pictures I'll buy a poster.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: A.Cow on 25 September, 2017, 11:41:59 PM
Quote from: seanharry on 25 September, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
I mean, I appreciate that it's the cream of the crop, but the entire run seems to be made up of stories that are already easily available in collected format, and that I already have, sometimes multiple volumes due to them being printed by Titan and Rebellion in graphic novel collections.

It's inevitable that any "best of" collection will repeat a very high proportion of things which many people already have.  It's a form of preferential attachment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferential_attachment).  Hence why pop artists always add an "exclusive" track to greatest hits compilations, to force hardcore fans to buy it.

However, I'm not sure that hardbound deluxe editions of Captain Klep, Dash Decent and Bonjo From Beyond The Stars would get the subscribers salivating.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 26 September, 2017, 01:21:00 AM
it would certainly be the hardbackiest pamphlet around :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 September, 2017, 09:17:56 AM
Books three and four arrived with me this morning.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 26 September, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
Got 3 and 4 today, havent read the kreeler conspiracy before so thats all good, shakara i already have so meh. Both lovely editions so im fixed n getting the whole collection :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jamie1000013 on 26 September, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 26 September, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
Got 3 and 4 today, havent read the kreeler conspiracy before so thats all good, shakara i already have so meh. Both lovely editions so im fixed n getting the whole collection :)

Is Shakara good? I was looking forward to reading it it looked quite fun. I think it is out tomorrow isn't it for all us non subs?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 26 September, 2017, 07:54:42 PM
Is arboreal defecation standard ursine practice?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 26 September, 2017, 08:16:18 PM
Quote from: Jamie1000013 on 26 September, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 26 September, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
Got 3 and 4 today, havent read the kreeler conspiracy before so thats all good, shakara i already have so meh. Both lovely editions so im fixed n getting the whole collection :)

Is Shakara good? I was looking forward to reading it it looked quite fun. I think it is out tomorrow isn't it for all us non subs?

It starts off a bit early Nemesis - mysterious alien turns up in funky spaceship, causes mayhem and then vanishes with a battle-cry. Once the backstory is revealed it becomes more its own thing.

And of course Henry's art is amazing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 26 September, 2017, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 26 September, 2017, 08:16:18 PM
Quote from: Jamie1000013 on 26 September, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 26 September, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
Got 3 and 4 today, havent read the kreeler conspiracy before so thats all good, shakara i already have so meh. Both lovely editions so im fixed n getting the whole collection :)

Is Shakara good? I was looking forward to reading it it looked quite fun. I think it is out tomorrow isn't it for all us non subs?

It starts off a bit early Nemesis - mysterious alien turns up in funky spaceship, causes mayhem and then vanishes with a battle-cry. Once the backstory is revealed it becomes more its own thing.

And of course Henry's art is amazing.

Its treatment of humanity in its opening pages also makes it a contender for Best First Episode.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 September, 2017, 09:32:05 PM
Quote from: Jamie1000013 on 26 September, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
Is Shakara good? I was looking forward to reading it it looked quite fun. I think it is out tomorrow isn't it for all us non subs?

Yes.

Very.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 26 September, 2017, 09:51:07 PM
Kreeler Conspiracy isn't one of the stories that was immediately after Portrait of a Mutant in the second Case Files style book was it?  I've got that book and wouldn't mind some new stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 26 September, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
No, it was published (I think) in the Bolland cover Christmas Prog around 2000

It's basically an extended repurposing of the treatment for the TV pilot that was talked about in the late 1990s.

It stands alone, more like a movie adaptation - Wulf's not in it, Johnny has a computer sidekick called Milton that never appears again, and Kreelman is president of Earth rather than a New Britain politician.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 26 September, 2017, 10:12:18 PM
There is already a trade which covers the Kreeler conspiracy (and a few other stories) I think this covers similar ground to get the page count up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 September, 2017, 10:26:38 PM
For the avoidance of doubt:

Kreeler Conspiracy
Blood Moon
The Heady Foot Job
six-page text feature, 'In detail'

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 26 September, 2017, 10:31:39 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 September, 2017, 10:26:38 PM
For the avoidance of doubt:

Kreeler Conspiracy
Blood Moon
The Heady Foot Job
six-page text feature, 'In detail'

Hmm OK, they're already moving stuff around or skipping it then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 September, 2017, 11:32:54 PM
Almost certainly moving around to hit page count limitations.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Klegg Bait on 27 September, 2017, 03:39:14 AM
Really looking forward to the Dante volumes.  I've never read the stories, been interested for years but the graphic novels aren't always in print.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 September, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
Just picked up my parcel from the depot having had the red card of anticipation delivered yesterday. First impression; these look gorgeous.  Stront was one of the main reasons I subbed as a good friend has been telling me I should read it for years.  Might have to read that one first, although it's a tough call 'cause Shakara looks stunning.

Never got into 2000AD back in my teens (for me that would have been the early to mid 90s) so this series is a great opportunity to catch up on loads of classics I've missed.  So far it's been top quality. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 27 September, 2017, 10:16:26 AM
Received the third and fourth volumes yesterday. Absolutely lovely stuff, and, like so many others, it gives me the opportunity to read lots of great stuff for the first time.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jamie1000013 on 27 September, 2017, 04:18:23 PM
I might cave in and subscribe, I just bought Shakara and if it is really good I'll sub I think. Just annoying the Mega collection is still coming out. The biggest issue is not cost but space since I got the Marvel collection and got about 60 issues with that lol, and the Dredd one is filling up space.

I might only subscribe for 20 issues since I only really want the Sketch book you get on the 9th delivery. I will then probably pick and choose what I then get, probably get ones like Rogue Trooper, Strontium Dog, Nemesis, Sinister Dexter, and might try out the odd collections I've never read.

Will Button Man feature do you think? Hopefully there is no Zenith since I have them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 September, 2017, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: Jamie1000013 on 27 September, 2017, 04:18:23 PMWill Button Man feature do you think? Hopefully there is no Zenith since I have them.
Neither of those will be in the initial run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 September, 2017, 05:13:39 PM
i doubt button man will be in at all its creator owned isn't it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 27 September, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
Quote from: Jamie1000013 on 27 September, 2017, 04:18:23 PM
I might cave in and subscribe, I just bought Shakara and if it is really good I'll sub I think. Just annoying the Mega collection is still coming out. The biggest issue is not cost but space since I got the Marvel collection and got about 60 issues with that lol, and the Dredd one is filling up space.


I feel your 'pain' I have the Marvel collection running at the moment, as well as the JD one, the 2000 AD one, The Doctor Who one, the DC graphic novel collection plus near the end of the build a millennium falcon and 30 issues into build an R2-D2.
Just throw out some furniture, sit on the floor, man up, and read.
Jeez, it aint hard  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jamie1000013 on 27 September, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 27 September, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
Quote from: Jamie1000013 on 27 September, 2017, 04:18:23 PM
I might cave in and subscribe, I just bought Shakara and if it is really good I'll sub I think. Just annoying the Mega collection is still coming out. The biggest issue is not cost but space since I got the Marvel collection and got about 60 issues with that lol, and the Dredd one is filling up space.


I feel your 'pain' I have the Marvel collection running at the moment, as well as the JD one, the 2000 AD one, The Doctor Who one, the DC graphic novel collection plus near the end of the build a millennium falcon and 30 issues into build an R2-D2.
Just throw out some furniture, sit on the floor, man up, and read.
Jeez, it aint hard  ;)

hahahahaha. I wanted to get the DC collection it actually has a lot of really good volumes tbh, You on like issue 160 on the Marvel collection now? lol.

Yeah I'm gunna sub today you have convinced me. Who needs a bed frame when I can just neatly stack my Hachette partworks to make a bed frame and put a mattress on top.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 September, 2017, 07:22:02 AM
The Marvel collection I joined when it restarted last year so I'm only on issue 47 or something.
The DC one is pretty neat.
Also getting the Star Trek graphic novel collection. On issue 20 of that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 28 September, 2017, 08:07:50 AM
Just wanted to say that I re-read Halo Jones the other day for the first time in twenty-*coughcoughcough* years thanks to the handsome volume that this collection delivered. It's easily as good as I remembered. Brilliant stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 28 September, 2017, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Jamie1000013 on 27 September, 2017, 04:18:23 PM
Just annoying the Mega collection is still coming out.

Yup.  Yesterday I had to choose between Mutants in Mega-City 1 and Shakara Vol 1.  No squaxx should ever have to face such a dilemma, not since Eagle was cancelled at any rate.

(In fact I note with horror that this month's potential spend on House of Tharg weekly/fortnightly/monthly periodicals alone stands at about Eur€85 - that's not even vaguely doable).   
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: barnesy on 28 September, 2017, 11:17:00 AM
Just received issues 3 and 4, fantastic looking volumes. Looking forward to getting into them after work.
I am wrapping up the Marvel official graphic novel collection at issue 151 (it's just going to go on and on, not too interested in any of the volumes other than Vision) and still collecting the DC collection as well as cherry picking the Mega Collection.
Like others have said - space is of a premium. The Marvel partworks are sitting on a ten foot long shelf, hope that this collection lasts as long.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 28 September, 2017, 01:03:42 PM
I'm really torn.

After saying I wouldn't buy the Horned God again, I did. Because it was only 2 quid.

Then I bought Halo Jones, because it's a classic, I haven't read it since it was published and it was only 6.99.

So starts the slippery slope. With the Dredd collection I found it easy to pick and choose. With this I suspect it will be much harder.

So I am resisting for now. And I need to finish off the half read and non yet started books I already have:

Nemesis. Done.
Zenith. Half way through phase 3
ABC Warriors Zolgan War. Need to read parts 3 and 4.
Flesh.
Dan Dare. Half way through vol 1.
Mega Collection: 3 Tour of Duty volumes, Shamballa.
Lawless.


Plus loads of IDW Dredd's in the backlog, and now a load of Dogbreaths and Zarjazs too.

It's not even the money, it's the time and the space.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 28 September, 2017, 01:13:34 PM
Beware- TPO is a real danger- pace yourself and remember to eat & drink occasionally.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 28 September, 2017, 06:58:45 PM
My delivery arrived today. Both covers are looking beautiful.

I haven't read Shakara before and I don't even know what it's about.

Exciting times ...

Also according to my delivery I have changed genders ..  I wasn't expecting that to happen .. ever .. hopefully my new gentalia will arrive with my next delivery ...  :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 28 September, 2017, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 28 September, 2017, 01:13:34 PM
Beware- TPO is a real danger- pace yourself and remember to eat & drink occasionally.

Also beware of TPO the book - The Forty Years hardback edition is a deadly weapon in the wrong hands!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 September, 2017, 07:34:03 PM
no kidding i dropped it on my foot day i bought it....limped for days  :lol:

i was close to starting the dc volumes but sub exclusive books and 20 quid special editions soured me on that very fast.

has shakara appeared in shops yet my local still has halo
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 28 September, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
Smiths in Ponty had copies of Halo Jones and Shakara this afternoon.  Fairly prominently positioned to boot.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 28 September, 2017, 10:11:54 PM
Same in cardiff smiths
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 29 September, 2017, 10:35:09 AM

Anyone gone premium? I'm looking forward to getting the first figurine (Nemesis) and I think I've worked it out that it should come in January/February? then August/September for Death, March 2018 Halo, October Rogue, May 2019 Dante and finally December 2019 Dredd.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 29 September, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: marko10174 on 29 September, 2017, 10:35:09 AM

Anyone gone premium? I'm looking forward to getting the first figurine (Nemesis) and I think I've worked it out that it should come in January/February? then August/September for Death, March 2018 Halo, October Rogue, May 2019 Dante and finally December 2019 Dredd.
Maybe +1 year to the years you've mentioned.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 29 September, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 29 September, 2017, 10:35:09 AM

Anyone gone premium? I'm looking forward to getting the first figurine (Nemesis) and I think I've worked it out that it should come in January/February? then August/September for Death, March 2018 Halo, October Rogue, May 2019 Dante and finally December 2019 Dredd.

I've gone premium.
Not bothered when they arrive to be honest. But I'm like that. I don't even want to know what is coming in which issues.
Prefer to be surprised.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: seanyc123 on 02 October, 2017, 12:10:16 PM
Just seen the latest ABC of 2000ad video, now I'm stuck with the quandary of just buying the £10.99 paperback of Shako from amazon or waiting to see if it winds up in the 2000ad mega collection. Woe is me, I own so much 2000ad already that I'm bound to get 20+ repeats already.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2017, 01:14:08 PM
There's also the Extreme Edition version, for three quid: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/DD18
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 October, 2017, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2017, 01:14:08 PM
There's also the Extreme Edition version, for three quid: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/DD18
Which also has more pages too, though not more Shako.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eotris on 06 October, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
I have just finished reading Shakara (The Avenger) in issue 3, and it is my first experience of the character. I am a bit confused on the ending - it looks like there is an appearance of Cinnibar Brenneka (the 'blue' Shakara), but it seems very disjointed. Do I need to follow up by reading 'Shakara: The Destroyer' to understand it in the correct context?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 October, 2017, 08:01:52 PM
I must admit to also feeling confused by the ending.  I get the fact that Shakara itself seemed to be gaining almost its own sentience which was unintended by its creators,

Okay, I'm going to sum up the first three volumes briefly.

Slaine, I only remember the early days in 2000ad and I wasn't a huge fan.  This one seems a bit better and I think I'll be able to follow it okay.  Semi enjoyable, perhaps moreso on a second read like some other books.

Halo Jones.  The first 'chapter' on the Hoop wasn't that great.  Some of the Hoop slang got a bit irritating at times and was overused.  One Halo left Earth it improved in my mind.  Good read overall though I can see where it is a sudden ending.

Shakara.....well this was a strange one.  Did I see a Dune reference at the slavers market where the ISS commander met his unfortunate fate?  Chaotic artwork that suits the setting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 October, 2017, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: Eotris on 06 October, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
I have just finished reading Shakara (The Avenger) in issue 3, and it is my first experience of the character. I am a bit confused on the ending - it looks like there is an appearance of Cinnibar Brenneka (the 'blue' Shakara), but it seems very disjointed. Do I need to follow up by reading 'Shakara: The Destroyer' to understand it in the correct context?

Suffice to say, all will become clear in volume II...  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 06 October, 2017, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 October, 2017, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: Eotris on 06 October, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
I have just finished reading Shakara (The Avenger) in issue 3, and it is my first experience of the character. I am a bit confused on the ending - it looks like there is an appearance of Cinnibar Brenneka (the 'blue' Shakara), but it seems very disjointed. Do I need to follow up by reading 'Shakara: The Destroyer' to understand it in the correct context?

Suffice to say, all will become clear in volume II...  ;)

S'right.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 06 October, 2017, 09:23:52 PM
Oh there's more? I thought it ended there .. this is marvelous news.

First time reading it and I loved it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 October, 2017, 10:43:28 AM
Does anyone know how long we're going to have to wait for that concluding volume of Shakara?

Presumably it will be volume 58 but what issue will it be?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jamie1000013 on 07 October, 2017, 11:52:34 AM
IT's annoying that the Shakara volume I got has like 8 blurry pages where the art and speech bubbles are too blurry to see. I had it in like 1 or 2 pages in the Mega collection out of 60 books but to have it like 8 pages in one book is weird. Might have to buy it again since the art is stunning, anyone else have this problem? I don't want to buy it again and have the same problem. I bought it from a news agents so don't really want a refund.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 October, 2017, 01:11:33 PM
Contact the publisher on Facebook. They may send a replacement.

EDIT: I should probably note that Hachette are not legally required to replace under these circumstances, because your contract was with the place you purchased the book from. You should get a replacement/refund there, assuming you retained proof of purchase. However, Hachette may nonetheless as a gesture of goodwill replace your book – you never know. And I just flicked through my copy and didn't find any problems. The only one where things were really bad for me was Total War, for which I got a replacement that sadly looked like someone had used as a football.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Skullmo on 08 October, 2017, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: Jamie1000013 on 07 October, 2017, 11:52:34 AM
IT's annoying that the Shakara volume I got has like 8 blurry pages where the art and speech bubbles are too blurry to see. I had it in like 1 or 2 pages in the Mega collection out of 60 books but to have it like 8 pages in one book is weird. Might have to buy it again since the art is stunning, anyone else have this problem? I don't want to buy it again and have the same problem. I bought it from a news agents so don't really want a refund.

Oh not thise again - I had that blurring with a couple of dredd collection books - I had them replaced 4 times but always got blurry copies. It was such a pain to keep sending the books back that I just gave up and put them in the bin.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 08 October, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: sintec on 07 October, 2017, 10:43:28 AM
Does anyone know how long we're going to have to wait for that concluding volume of Shakara?

Presumably it will be volume 58 but what issue will it be?

We don't know what issue I'm afraid. And recent discussions have cast doubts on whether they'll be consecutive volumes either - see the early volume number of The Kreeler Conspiracy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 October, 2017, 06:29:46 PM
It's going to be really annoying if consecutive stories aren't in consecutive volumes.  Especially given that the spines don't really give any indication of what's in them.  Was the Dredd collection like that?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 08 October, 2017, 06:47:14 PM
The Dredd collection has been fairly sensible in its grouping of stories over multiple volumes.  All of the Anderson, Waugh and Armitage stories are grouped together.  The same is true of the thematic volumes.  It makes it a little easier to navigate the collection.  If the tooth collection has abandoned this and just gone for completely random order ... :o
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 October, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
Guess we'll have to wait and see.  What volume numbers do we already know?

1  - Nikolai Dante: vol 1
11 - Stront: Keeler Conspiracy
19 - Nemesis: vol 1
23 - Abc Warriors: vol 1
32 - Slaine: Horned God
46 - Halo Jones
52 - Bad Company: vol 1
57 - Shakara

(most of the above taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection)

If we add in what we know about the numbers of volumes scheduled for each of the above then we'd get:

1-9 Nikolai Dante
10-18 Stont (although only 9 vols and why is Kreeler the 2nd one of them?)
19-22 Nemesis
23-28 ABC warriors
32-45 Slaine (this could just as easily be 29-42 I guess, is 3 books enough for pre Horned God continuity?)
46 Halo Jones
52-53 Bad Company
57-58 Shakara

I do see the issue with Kreeler.  With Nikolai Dante as Vols 1-9 and Nemesis starting at vol 19 that doesn't leave enough space for 10 volumes of Stront and Kreeler being near the start of that run also doesn't make much sense.  Maybe the Stront stuff will be split into 2 sections, the initial run and then stuff that from after Alpha's death?

Note this is all pure speculation on my part as I'm no expert, this series will be my first major foray into the 2000AD world beyond a few Dredds.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 October, 2017, 08:22:03 PM
Where is the link that states ND is vol 1 of the collection? I've seen the publisher state it'll have nine volumes but that's all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 October, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
All info taken from wikipedia - it looked like it was referenced.  Although following that through the ref doesn't actually seem to link to anything which directly provides that info, so it could be inaccurate.  Guess we'll find out in December assuming the info about the first issue of Nikolai being issue 8 is correct.

If Dante isn't vols 1-9 of the series then that leaves plenty of room for the complete Stront with Kreeler fitting into a sane position in the run at Vol 11.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 October, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: sintec on 09 October, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
All info taken from wikipedia - it looked like it was referenced.  Although following that through the ref doesn't actually seem to link to anything which directly provides that info, so it could be inaccurate.  Guess we'll find out in December assuming the info about the first issue of Nikolai being issue 8 is correct.

If Dante isn't vols 1-9 of the series then that leaves plenty of room for the complete Stront with Kreeler fitting into a sane position in the run at Vol 11.

I'll put my hand up as creator of the wiki page (and contributor to other Hachette pages too). It wasn't until someone mentioned it a week or so back that it occurred to me that the FB mods post may have simply meant vol 1 of Dante rather than vol 1 & issue 8 of the collection.

Since this is causing some disagreement I've removed the volume listing from the wiki and asked the FB mods if they'll clarify. Just depends what kind of mood they're in today!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 October, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
well, that didn't take long:
Quote
Kingdom Vol 1 will be Volume 60, Strontium Dog Vol 1 will be Volume 4 and Nikolai Dante Vol 1 will be Volume 72.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 October, 2017, 10:15:54 AM
Ah ha - now that makes more sense.  Adding that to the existing info gives us:

4 -13 Stront
19-22 Nemesis
23-28 ABC warriors
32-44 Slaine (this could just as easily be 29-41 I guess, is 3 books enough for pre Horned God continuity?)
46 Halo Jones
52-53 Bad Company
57-58 Shakara
60-61 Kingdom
72-80 Nikolai Dante
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 09 October, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
Ah that does make more sense.

What's the bet on Dredd being vol 1-3?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 October, 2017, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 09 October, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
Ah that does make more sense.

What's the bet on Dredd being vol 1-3?
pretty much guaranteed, and I'd say Rogue filling in 14-18.

Quote from: sintec on 09 October, 2017, 10:15:54 AM
is 3 books enough for pre Horned God continuity?)

Rebellion's Warrior's Dawn clocks in at just over 200 according to amazon, then Time Killer at 176 and The King just over 250 so yeah, three books for that chunk it seems!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 09 October, 2017, 11:03:46 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 09 October, 2017, 10:03:55 AM

I'll put my hand up as creator of the wiki page (and contributor to other Hachette pages too). It wasn't until someone mentioned it a week or so back that it occurred to me that the FB mods post may have simply meant vol 1 of Dante rather than vol 1 & issue 8 of the collection.

Since this is causing some disagreement I've removed the volume listing from the wiki and asked the FB mods if they'll clarify. Just depends what kind of mood they're in today!

You've done a sterling job.

Might want to specify Kingdom Vol 2 in the unconfirmed list, and add Shakara Vol 2 as well?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 October, 2017, 11:31:24 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 09 October, 2017, 11:03:46 AM
Might want to specify Kingdom Vol 2 in the unconfirmed list, and add Shakara Vol 2 as well?
Good spot, have made that change. Anyone is welcome to contribute themselves of course.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goronwy on 09 October, 2017, 11:55:58 AM
Hey, I'm a relative 2000AD novice whose interest has recently been piqued.

Can anyone answer me a question about volume 2 of the Ultimate Collection..?

Does it contain the entire run of Halo Jones? I'm aware there was a single volume printed a few years back (now out of print on the 2000AD website, and only available as a digital edition) which apparently contained Books 1-3 and the prologues for Books 2 & 3. I'm assuming that is all that was ever made, before Alan Moore abandoned the project, and is therefore "complete."

My initial assumption was that the Ultimate Collection vol.2 would only have contained part of Halo Jones, but comparing the spine width to my copy of The Complete Skizz which I recently bought and enjoyed (which contains all 3 runs of Skizz from the 80s/90s) I see they're more or less the same width.

Just strikes me as odd that they wouldn't write "The Complete Halo Jones" on the front, to reassure the less informed potential buyers like me.

I haven't bought the Ultimate Collection vol.2 you understand. Just saw it in the shop this weekend. But I will pop back and get it if it is indeed the whole shebang...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 October, 2017, 11:57:58 AM
It contains all 3 books of Halo which is as complete as the story is ever going to be I believe
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: glassstanley on 09 October, 2017, 12:10:48 PM
Though she does appear on the Moore/Gibson page of the Prog 500 celebration strip...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goronwy on 09 October, 2017, 12:12:26 PM
Cool, thanks sintec!

Also thanks glassstanley for the true completist's answer!  :)

People have mentioned Halo Jones to me for years, and seeing it for £6.99 in a nice hardback seemed very appealing, even if it does have a partwork spine! I think I'll pick it up this afternoon...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 October, 2017, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 09 October, 2017, 12:12:26 PM
Also thanks glassstanley for the true completist's answer!  :)

Bah! The true completist would also have mentioned her flirting with Nikolai Dante in prog 1280!  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 October, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 09 October, 2017, 12:12:26 PMPeople have mentioned Halo Jones to me for years, and seeing it for £6.99 in a nice hardback seemed very appealing, even if it does have a partwork spine! I think I'll pick it up this afternoon...
It's a good strip, and a bargain in that format, for that price.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 09 October, 2017, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 October, 2017, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 09 October, 2017, 12:12:26 PM
Also thanks glassstanley for the true completist's answer!  :)

Bah! The true completist would also have mentioned her flirting with Nikolai Dante in prog 1280!  ;)

Hopefully he checked his spigot afterwards...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 09 October, 2017, 04:46:50 PM

Does anyone know what the next issue is? I know Nemesis i one, what's the other? thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 09 October, 2017, 05:03:09 PM
Kingdom Vol. 1.

Here you go pal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 October, 2017, 08:25:42 PM
Just read the intro on the Kingdom wikipedia page, gonna resist the urge to spoiler it by continuing.  But how can anyone not want to read a series after reading this:

"The story revolves around a humanoid genetically modified dog named after Gene Hackman, in the distant future. Earth has been overrun by giant insects, known simply as "Them." Most of the human race has been wiped out, and the few thousand survivors are waiting in suspended animation until the world is habitable again. The world is patrolled by dog soldiers called "auxes," such as Gene, who fight them on humanity's behalf."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 October, 2017, 08:59:13 PM
From the first page he appeared in, Gene the Hackman was instantly one of the great 2000 AD heroes. Distinctive look, great speech patterns, hard as nails but a really earnest and adorable persona. You'll love Kingdom!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 09 October, 2017, 09:37:34 PM
And it's even better than it sounds!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 October, 2017, 06:32:08 AM
This is a perfect example of what happens when you get the right artist too.  Elson is perfect for it.  He captured that 50's B-movie feel, created an utterly believable world populated by giant mutant insects and bizarre genetic hybrids then has continued to develop the quality of the visuals over the course of the strip.  For obvious reasons his artwork now graces my nascent original art collection.  The strip deserves its position in the tooth hall of fame.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 10 October, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 09 October, 2017, 10:22:38 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 09 October, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
Ah that does make more sense.

What's the bet on Dredd being vol 1-3?
pretty much guaranteed, and I'd say Rogue filling in 14-18

From the spine image I'd say Robo-hunter.Rogue's further up between Durham Red and Bill Savage.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 October, 2017, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 10 October, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
From the spine image I'd say Robo-hunter.Rogue's further up between Durham Red and Bill Savage.
You're not wrong, but there's a five book gap between SD & Nemesis which is the length of the Rogue section. Robo-Hunter only three. Plus if you're thinking like that, Nemesis should be standing to the left of the ABC Warriors.

Who knows though. Wondering if Robo-Hunter is next to Halo Jones for the Ian Gibson connection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: geronimo on 10 October, 2017, 11:46:11 AM
If we are going by the spines, then shouldn't we be losing the bottom half of the lowest panels on each page!!! :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 10 October, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
We've now learned that Nikolai Dante makes up the final volumes, but he's in the first 1/3rd of the Spine Art. Slaine is in the middle of the collection but towards the end of the spine art. Might not be that useful a guide.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 October, 2017, 03:11:20 PM
use the spine as an signpost of whata in it not where they are :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 October, 2017, 03:26:24 PM
When you've got 13 books of Slaine, 10 of Stront, 9 of Dante etc, it's a bit of a tall order to expect the characters on the spine to match the content of the books...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 11 October, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Just picked up Vol 4, The Kreeler Conspiracy, and am sat reading it while waiting for my GP appointment (which is by Skype, annoyingly. I hate living in a Tory future).
Sometimes, collected editions don't live up to the weekly prog experience (The Apocalypse War, ferinstance, is never as good as it was in the prog, where the wait between weeks was horrible), and others read so much better. This is the latter here, as it's absolutely stonking. When this ran in the prog, I disliked it immensely- and it started a phase of me skipping Stront- which I never imagined I'd ever do, having been a fan since Star Lord #1, when Ezquerra's art scared the absolute shit out of me.
Reading it now, I'm totally in love. I'm only 60 or so pages in, but already it's the best tenner I've spent this week.
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 October, 2017, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 11 October, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Just picked up Vol 4, The Kreeler Conspiracy, and am sat reading it while waiting for my GP appointment (which is by Skype, annoyingly. I hate living in a Tory future).
Sometimes, collected editions don't live up to the weekly prog experience (The Apocalypse War, ferinstance, is never as good as it was in the prog, where the wait between weeks was horrible), and others read so much better. This is the latter here, as it's absolutely stonking. When this ran in the prog, I disliked it immensely- and it started a phase of me skipping Stront- which I never imagined I'd ever do, having been a fan since Star Lord #1, when Ezquerra's art scared the absolute shit out of me.
Reading it now, I'm totally in love. I'm only 60 or so pages in, but already it's the best tenner I've spent this week.
SBT

Exciting. Having read no Stront before (except or a few in recent progs) the completist in me is tempted to not read it until I've read the earlier volumes in the collection - I've acquired the Starlord stuff to read first.

I don't think we're getting any Ro-Busters in the collection, and I'm considering whether to acquire the two trades before the first ABC warriors issue comes out - is this wise from a continuity perspective?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 October, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 11 October, 2017, 04:10:31 PM
I don't think we're getting any Ro-Busters in the collection, and I'm considering whether to acquire the two trades before the first ABC warriors issue comes out - is this wise from a continuity perspective?

Not 'necessary' as such, but the characters are gradually re-introduced during later series (both ABC and Nemesis the Warlock) with the assumption that you're familiar with them via Ro-Busters. You might get a bit more out of it if you have read Ro-Busters already.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 11 October, 2017, 04:21:23 PM
From the perspective of continuity, yeah why not. Sometimes it's easy to forget that some readers haven't been fed this stuff week on week since they were seven years old. Coming to 2000AD for the first time as an adult could be daunting, in the sense that it may seem "important" to have to "catch up". Personally, I have faith that most of the longest running stories, ABCs included, stand well-enough on their own to be picked up with any given story. Or at least, in the case of the ABCs, as individual stories when the artist changes. I'm not sure the more recent Clint Langley books could be just as easily dipped into, as Pat seems to be in the process of tying everything together now.
Ro-Busters and the ABC Warriors are a brilliant, clever, funny and mesmerising couple of strips that tell a long and rhythmic saga over decades. But I don't think you lose everything by starting at later points.
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 October, 2017, 04:27:10 PM
Thanks both. That seems to give me an excuse to indulgently purchase Ro-Busters while also not delaying gratification and reading Kreeler now...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2017, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 11 October, 2017, 04:10:31 PMExciting. Having read no Stront before (except or a few in recent progs) the completist in me is tempted to not read it until I've read the earlier volumes in the collection - I've acquired the Starlord stuff to read first.
At this point, you'd be fine. Kreeler Conspiracy was a soft-reboot that was subsequently broadly forgotten as Wagner dovetailed the 'new' and 'old' Stront effectively into one continuity. I don't think there's anything in there that would spoil enjoyment of earlier volumes. (Please correct me if I'm wrong!)

QuoteI don't think we're getting any Ro-Busters in the collection, and I'm considering whether to acquire the two trades before the first ABC warriors issue comes out - is this wise from a continuity perspective?
Ro-Busters is fun if inessential. The hardbacks are very nice collections, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 October, 2017, 04:35:22 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but roughly what percentage of ABC Warriors will fit into 6 Volumes? Not all of it I guess?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2017, 04:42:37 PM
Impossible to say for sure, but with some very minor shifting of content, you could run each of the Men Files as a Hachette volume (you'd have to lose about 40 pages of extras). Then the reboot hardbacks could be paired to make ~200pp volumes. So you'd have Volgan War 1+2, 3+4, Return to Earth/Mars. That omits Deadlock, probably some other 'extras', and Return to Ro-Busters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 October, 2017, 04:49:20 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2017, 04:42:37 PM
Impossible to say for sure, but with some very minor shifting of content, you could run each of the Men Files as a Hachette volume (you'd have to lose about 40 pages of extras). Then the reboot hardbacks could be paired to make ~200pp volumes. So you'd have Volgan War 1+2, 3+4, Return to Earth/Mars. That omits Deadlock, probably some other 'extras', and Return to Ro-Busters.

Well hopefully Deadlock will turn up in Nemesis #4, instead, where it will fit much better thematically. Personally I'd rather have Meknificent Seven in #1 (bulked up with a few extras); Black Hole in #2 (same); the Kev Walker stuff in #3; the Henry Flint stuff in #4; then Volgan War in #5 and #6. That's a much better place to end than halfway through the flashback 'Return...' stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 11 October, 2017, 04:51:51 PM
i think deadlock will be in nemesis book 4 thats why theres 4 books

so yeah in agreement on that

maybe post volgan would be left out for a possible extension down the line?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
Could be, although the page count of the three phone book Nemesis volumes is 928. Average those across four books and that's 232, which is in the 200–250 range. Deadlock would bump that over 980, which is right at the very edge of what's feasible, according to Matt Smith in the podcasts.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 October, 2017, 08:18:45 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
Could be, although the page count of the three phone book Nemesis volumes is 928. Average those across four books and that's 232, which is in the 200–250 range. Deadlock would bump that over 980, which is right at the very edge of what's feasible, according to Matt Smith in the podcasts.

The announced contents of Vol 1 come to 218 strip pages - title pages and the like will soon bump that up to 250ish. Books 4,5 and 6 (plus Ego Trip) is 222 strip pages - so there's Vol 2. Torque the God, Books 7, 8 and 9, plus both Diceman issues is 228 strip pages. And yet a speculative Vol 4 including everything else up to Book 10, plus the two Nemesis/Deadlock Enigmass stories, plus the Deadlock solo, is a svelte 203 pages by comparison.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 12 October, 2017, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 11 October, 2017, 08:18:45 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
Could be, although the page count of the three phone book Nemesis volumes is 928. Average those across four books and that's 232, which is in the 200–250 range. Deadlock would bump that over 980, which is right at the very edge of what's feasible, according to Matt Smith in the podcasts.

The announced contents of Vol 1 come to 218 strip pages - title pages and the like will soon bump that up to 250ish. Books 4,5 and 6 (plus Ego Trip) is 222 strip pages - so there's Vol 2. Torque the God, Books 7, 8 and 9, plus both Diceman issues is 228 strip pages. And yet a speculative Vol 4 including everything else up to Book 10, plus the two Nemesis/Deadlock Enigmass stories, plus the Deadlock solo, is a svelte 203 pages by comparison.

Ah is that everything then? Apologies but I don't know the source material or its trade publishing history.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 October, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
Dark Jimbo: I suppose it also depends on things like how many pages are 'blanks' to cater for five-page episodes. How complete is this?

Terror Tube 6
Killer Watt 7
The Sword Sinister 6
1: World of Termight 71
2: Alien Alliance 51
3: World of Nemesis 71
Secret Life of the Blitzspear 6
4: Gothic Empire 94
A Day in the Death of Torquemada: 6
Ego Trip 6
5: Vengeance of Thoth 63
The Torture Tube (Diceman) 19
6: Torquemurder 34 + 25
Forbidden Planet 5
Torquemada the God 25
Bedtime Story 6
7: Two Torquemadas 61
8: Purity's Story 45
9: Deathbringer 61
N&D: Warlocks and Wizards 6
N&D: Enigmass Variations 42
Bride of the Warlock 16
Shape of things to come 6
The Tomb of Torquemada 6
Hammer of the Warlocks 18
Book X: 60
Deadlock: 55
Tubular Hells 6

TOTAL: 883 (a couple being guesses on page count)

Whatever happens, I hope they put Bride of the Warlock in sequence this time, rather than shoving it at the end.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 October, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
Ah, yeah! I forgot Tomb of Torque and Tubular Hells - also Torque's Second Honeymoon, which would just be lovely to have reproduced in colour this time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 October, 2017, 06:25:52 PM
Any idea how much Savage we'll be getting? I have the three trades which still seems to be a cliffhanger.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 October, 2017, 10:24:41 AM
Nice cover to the first Kingdom volume (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/kingdom)

QuoteOn a post-apocalyptic Earth, mankind has all but been annihilated by 'Them' – giant insectoid creatures that have spread across the globe. The few human survivors have been escaped to orbital stations or into suspended animation, waiting for a time when it's safe to reclaim the planet. Battling Them on man's behalf are genetically engineered 'dog soldiers' like Gene the Hackman, directed by his Masters to keep the enemy off his lawn...

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/8fad844e-6acc-47a2-af58-818b5077e2b9.jpg)

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 13 October, 2017, 10:47:18 AM
Oh that looks scrumptious indeed.

Bought my first UC volume yesterday, the Strontium Dog one - a fantastic thing altogether.  I barely managed to resist Shakara due to financial constraints, but not owning any of the post-'Final Solution' Alpha flashbacks in collected form, there was no getting away from this one.  These stories have aged remarkably well, especially 'The Kreeler Conspiracy', which seems much less dissonant than it originally did. If 'Traitor to His Kind' etc show up in a subsequent volume I'll be having that one too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 October, 2017, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 October, 2017, 10:47:18 AM
  These stories have aged remarkably well, especially 'The Kreeler Conspiracy', which seems much less dissonant than it originally did. If 'Traitor to His Kind' etc show up in a subsequent volume I'll be having that one too.

Yes, another book of flashback tales headed by 'Traitor to his Kind' has been confirmed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 14 October, 2017, 01:51:53 PM
Shakara is superb - what a wonderful thing it is. The bonkers aliens, the bravery of the opening pages, and the utterly gorgeous art. And possibly my favourite volume so far as a piece of design.

Just starting Kreeler. Not so sure about the choice of cover art on this one... the blown up panel is a bit grainy. But really top-game Esquerra on the inside.

Is it just me or could the editorial features at the start of these volumes have done with someone casting another eye over them before they went to print? Lots of proofing errors.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 14 October, 2017, 08:40:21 PM
Just want to add that both Shakara and Kreeler Conspiracy are absolute stunners from start to finish!
The choice of follow-on stories in Kreeler Conspiracy are inspired.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 20 October, 2017, 04:29:46 PM
Will Nemesis have colour spreads? Just measured up, and the new editions seem to be the same as the complete edition phone book size, give or take, so I'm sorely tempted to replace them with lovely hardbacks. Just a shame about the covers, as I'm not collecting the whole set so they'll look a bit odd on the shelf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 October, 2017, 11:25:42 PM
So what's next, plus any idea how much Rogue Trooper we will get?  I have the older Rebellion paperbacks (Future of War, Fort Neuro, To the Ends of Nu Earth, Re-Gene, Eye of the Traitor and Realpolitik) as well as the 86ers.  Will we get material that does not appear in them?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 October, 2017, 08:38:09 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 20 October, 2017, 11:25:42 PM
So what's next, plus any idea how much Rogue Trooper we will get?  I have the older Rebellion paperbacks (Future of War, Fort Neuro, To the Ends of Nu Earth, Re-Gene, Eye of the Traitor and Realpolitik) as well as the 86ers.  Will we get material that does not appear in them?

After Nemesis is the first volume of Kingdom, then the earliest Strontium Dog stories from the Prog followed by volume 1 of Nikolai Dante.

There's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories. I haven't read Realpolitik - would this need to include other stories from the run at that time?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2017, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 October, 2017, 08:38:09 AMThere's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much 'editing' is done.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 October, 2017, 11:01:34 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2017, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 October, 2017, 08:38:09 AMThere's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much 'editing' is done.
Yes I suspect it will be the first three phonebooks only.

FB have just confirmed Rogue Trooper vol1 as issue 14 / vol 47, which is 21st Feb next year and after Halo Jones on your shelf. Guess the forum user who suggested Rogue would be mid-collection was right.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 October, 2017, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2017, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 October, 2017, 08:38:09 AMThere's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much 'editing' is done.

I was hoping for some Friday. Some of that stuff is great, and historically interesting too, what with it being Dave Gibbons' baby.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2017, 03:16:56 PM
I'd happily read War Machine again, in this collection. But the rest of it? Bleh. (Some of the John Smith stuff was admittedly quite good, but it appeared to exist in a very different and far more violent/bizarre universe.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: EDazzling on 24 October, 2017, 08:51:29 AM
I canceled my subscription last week but £20 just disappeared from my account, what's people's experience of getting money back from Hachette?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 24 October, 2017, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 23 October, 2017, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2017, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 October, 2017, 08:38:09 AMThere's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much 'editing' is done.

I remember being blown away by some Henry Flint artwork on Rogue.Was this ever reprinted?
I was hoping for some Friday. Some of that stuff is great, and historically interesting too, what with it being Dave Gibbons' baby.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 October, 2017, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 23 October, 2017, 11:01:34 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2017, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 October, 2017, 08:38:09 AMThere's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much 'editing' is done.
Yes I suspect it will be the first three phonebooks only.

FB have just confirmed Rogue Trooper vol1 as issue 14 / vol 47, which is 21st Feb next year and after Halo Jones on your shelf. Guess the forum user who suggested Rogue would be mid-collection was right.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2017, 03:16:56 PM
I'd happily read War Machine again, in this collection. But the rest of it? Bleh. (Some of the John Smith stuff was admittedly quite good, but it appeared to exist in a very different and far more violent/bizarre universe.)

There may not be much more room beyond the original run then, if it's all included. However I'm happy to read lots of Smithian violent/bizarre stuff, Cinnabar included, in place of The Hit, which for me didn't add anything to Rogue, and I'm not sure the writers knew what to do with it after the interminable Hit One - "Oh, I just killed another double!" *sigh*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 25 October, 2017, 12:26:19 PM
Nemesis & Kingdom arrived today & look great. Nice to see the colour Nemesis covers reprinted even if they are shrunk down. Great to see the text pieces. Is that all the Nemsis material before Gothic Empire?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 25 October, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
Wallet only for direct debit subscribers? Eh?

Was that always the case?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 25 October, 2017, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 25 October, 2017, 12:26:19 PM
Nemesis & Kingdom arrived today & look great. Nice to see the colour Nemesis covers reprinted even if they are shrunk down. Great to see the text pieces. Is that all the Nemsis material before Gothic Empire?

Does the Nemesis volume include book 3? And if so are the centre spreads in colour?

It's make or break for a purchase for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 25 October, 2017, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: BPP on 25 October, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
Wallet only for direct debit subscribers? Eh?

Was that always the case?

Waaaa?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 25 October, 2017, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: BPP on 25 October, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
Wallet only for direct debit subscribers? Eh?

Was that always the case?

It's not.
I'm not a DD subber and one has been sent to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 25 October, 2017, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 25 October, 2017, 01:26:53 PM
It's make or break for a purchase for me.

I hear ya. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 25 October, 2017, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 25 October, 2017, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: BPP on 25 October, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
Wallet only for direct debit subscribers? Eh?

Was that always the case?

It's not.
I'm not a DD subber and one has been sent to me.

That's cool, but it's clearly stated on their site atm. I hadn't noticed it before so maybe doesn't apply for those in early

http://www.2000adcollection.com (http://www.2000adcollection.com)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 25 October, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
Nemesis does not have colour center spreads - all story art is b&w. It includes the Kevin O'Neill drawn book 3 and finishes with the sword sinister & secret life of blitzspear. The repro looks good to me. The next Nemesis book should be a Talbot extravaganza?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 October, 2017, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: BPP on 25 October, 2017, 01:45:15 PM
That's cool, but it's clearly stated on their site atm. I hadn't noticed it before so maybe doesn't apply for those in early

http://www.2000adcollection.com (http://www.2000adcollection.com)
First I'd heard of that too - not got my mail yet today so will update as and when I know if I got one! Not a DD subber here either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 25 October, 2017, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 25 October, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
Nemesis does not have colour center spreads - all story art is b&w. It includes the Kevin O'Neill drawn book 3 and finishes with the sword sinister & secret life of blitzspear. The repro looks good to me. The next Nemesis book should be a Talbot extravaganza?

I'm sure it hasn't always said that! Not that I want the wallet, but I'd be concerned if they change the rules for later gifts.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 25 October, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 25 October, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
Nemesis does not have colour center spreads - all story art is b&w. It includes the Kevin O'Neill drawn book 3 and finishes with the sword sinister & secret life of blitzspear. The repro looks good to me. The next Nemesis book should be a Talbot extravaganza?

Ok thanks. So it sounds like it doesn't add anything over what I already have in the Nemesis TPBs.

As they say on Dragons' Den "I'm out".

I have realised why I found it so hard to resist certain volumes of the Dredd Mega Collection but am finding it easier to resist this.

What the Dredd Collection did so well was collect together linked stories into a single narrative, which when published originally might have had weeks, months or even years in between the various parts, with other stories in between. The Case Files is obviously going to print those "in between" stories. So the Mega Collection really was /is the place to go for complete themed arcs.

For the other 2000AD stuff, the "in between" stories don't exist and I suspect what it does publish will be pretty similar to the already existing TPBs / GNs. And consequently I feel less need to get them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 25 October, 2017, 03:16:20 PM
Spot on analysis, Magnetica.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 25 October, 2017, 05:09:38 PM
I have the same Nemesis dilemma. I've got the phone books and they're great, and I think they are the same page size as these new editions. Really it's just about whether the quality is better enough to justify it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 25 October, 2017, 07:39:12 PM
Some of the old GNs are out of print now and I certainly prefer these to the old Telephone books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 25 October, 2017, 07:49:36 PM
As you say, the content tends to be much the same, so it comes down to physical differences really. Hard to resist those gorgeous matte-finish hardbacks; love the paper stock, too; and the colour title pages really help break up long runs of black-and-white strips. It's also a big plus that the average content of the Hachette volumes is three 'books' rather than the two that tends to be the standard for Rebellion's volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 October, 2017, 12:02:02 PM
Subscription package is here, wallet included. Nemesis looks great in this format!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 October, 2017, 12:11:40 PM
Having just had a flick through, the repro is very good indeed in this Nemesis book. It's very clearly way ahead of that original phonebook volume. I only hope the quality remains this high throughout (and that, as previously noted, they put that Winter Special tale in chronological order when they reach book three).

Kingdom is interesting in one respect: the page count means it's not directly cloning existing Rebellion fare. This book includes the first three series, which means all of 'The Promised Land', and half of 'Call of the Wild'. So I assume that the next volume would be the second bit of that book ('His Master's Voice') and all of Aux Drift.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 26 October, 2017, 01:02:43 PM
When can we expect to hear about Issues 9 & 10? It feels like ages since we learned about Issues 6-8, though my memory is dreadful.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 October, 2017, 01:56:46 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 October, 2017, 12:11:40 PM
Having just had a flick through, the repro is very good indeed in this Nemesis book.

Mine literally just arrived and I've only had time to properly scrutinise a few random pages, but you're right. A handful of pages are a little heavy (but not disastrously or distractingly so) but the vast majority are excellent, particularly impressive given O'Neill's ultra-fine line and obsessive attention to background detail.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 26 October, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 October, 2017, 01:56:46 PMA handful of pages are a little heavy (but not disastrously or distractingly so) but the vast majority are excellent, particularly impressive given O'Neill's ultra-fine line and obsessive attention to background detail.

Was this endorsement the price for getting a certain story under hard-covers, hmmmm?

Gruddamnit, though.  Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 October, 2017, 02:15:04 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 October, 2017, 01:56:46 PMbut the vast majority are excellent, particularly impressive given O'Neill's ultra-fine line and obsessive attention to background detail.
The fine details appear to have survived very nicely, as also have the letratone areas. Those often suffer in reprints, but are really strong here. It's a much stronger repro job than in the Halo Jones book (which still wasn't bad).

In other news, Mrs IP just burst into the office saw the 2000 AD wallet, wondered what it was and demanded she get to take the thing out of its little plastic sleeve. I'll get her reading these books yet! (She does read the odd comic, but is very much not keen on 'endless' tales. So even thought she's been buying me Saga, she's not read any of it herself as yet.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 October, 2017, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 26 October, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
Was this endorsement the price for getting a certain story under hard-covers, hmmmm?

Busted.

I may also have had a small hand* in another (as-yet-unannounced) Rebellion re-print volume that I think is going to look verrry nice indeed. :-)

* Insert Donald Trump joke of choice here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 October, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 26 October, 2017, 01:02:43 PM
When can we expect to hear about Issues 9 & 10? It feels like ages since we learned about Issues 6-8, though my memory is dreadful.
Merry Christmas Arkady (courtesy of Forbidden Planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/?tag=&q=2000ad+ultimate+collection&gtin=&size=20&sort=date-desc)):
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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 26 October, 2017, 03:21:03 PM
That's all my Christmases at once! Are those mocked-up covers though?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 26 October, 2017, 03:21:27 PM
Woah someone's been quick on the Wikipedia article.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 October, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 26 October, 2017, 03:21:03 PM
That's all my Christmases at once! Are those mocked-up covers though?

Yeah, expect so for solicitations only. Same as was for Kingdom and SD vol1. Dante ones may be final?

So... what's in "Return Of The King" hm?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 26 October, 2017, 03:24:51 PM
Isn't 'Return of the King' the story where Judge Silver comes back as a zombie post-Necropolis?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 26 October, 2017, 04:49:43 PM
Sod it, I'm in for Nemesis. Anyone wanna buy three phone books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 October, 2017, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 26 October, 2017, 03:24:51 PM
Isn't 'Return of the King' the story where Judge Silver comes back as a zombie post-Necropolis?
Yep. Which would be... odd for this collection (to say the least).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 26 October, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
Seems weird that we are getting two nemesis and Dante books so quickly when you consider how many slaine  books they are doing. And weird dredd choice as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 October, 2017, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 26 October, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
Seems weird that we are getting two nemesis and Dante books so quickly when you consider how many slaine  books they are doing. And weird dredd choice as well.

Rather weird to give us the Nemesis Gothic Empire/ Black Hole stories before we've even met the ABC Warriors! If they had run the Meknificent Seven volume first this would have worked nicely as a 'getting the gang back together' reunion. Ah well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 October, 2017, 06:06:57 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 26 October, 2017, 05:38:28 PM
Rather weird to give us the Nemesis Gothic Empire/ Black Hole stories before we've even met the ABC Warriors! If they had run the Meknificent Seven volume first this would have worked nicely as a 'getting the gang back together' reunion. Ah well.
Just realised we know issues 13 & 14 too, which are ABC Warriors 1 and Rogue 1, so they're not too far behind that second Nemesis book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goosegash on 26 October, 2017, 06:53:24 PM
I'll definitely be grabbing the Dante books as I've only got the crappy DC editions of Vols I & II, with their awful washed-out colouring and smudgy lines. Worth a tenner for an upgrade.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 26 October, 2017, 11:43:16 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 26 October, 2017, 05:38:28 PM
Rather weird to give us the Nemesis Gothic Empire/ Black Hole stories before we've even met the ABC Warriors! If they had run the Meknificent Seven volume first this would have worked nicely as a 'getting the gang back together' reunion. Ah well.

That's how I was introduced to the ABC Warriors - my first view of Ro-Jaws was when he valeted for Nem on Britannia.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 October, 2017, 06:38:31 AM
so is this the death of chief judges book we were wanting in the mega collection or a weird new name for a collection like klyslers mark?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 27 October, 2017, 06:57:37 AM
Considering that Cal, Volt, Griffin, Fargo and Solomon have already had their deaths printed and that Hershey, Francisco and Sinfield are still alive (is that right on Sinfield?) there aren't that many to go.  Enough for a full volume?  McGruder and Silver?  Who else is left?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 October, 2017, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 27 October, 2017, 06:38:31 AM
so is this the death of chief judges book we were wanting in the mega collection or a weird new name for a collection like klyslers mark?
I was wondering if it was Every Empire Falls under a new name. Deaths of Dredd?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 27 October, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
OCD moment - if I knew anything about editing Wikipedia I'd be tempted to put all the officially confirmed & Facebook-only confirmed issues into one table, and put the confirmed ones in bold to differentiate them? It would help us to keep track of what's coming and what order they will end up in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 October, 2017, 12:50:37 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 27 October, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
OCD moment - if I knew anything about editing Wikipedia I'd be tempted to put all the officially confirmed & Facebook-only confirmed issues into one table, and put the confirmed ones in bold to differentiate them? It would help us to keep track of what's coming and what order they will end up in.

On the Mega Collection page Hachette 'let it be known' they didn't want the Facebook-confirmed upcoming books appearing in the same table.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: EDazzling on 27 October, 2017, 12:57:27 PM
Ironically there's a citation needed for that fact. Do other wiki pages allow publishers to say what does and doesn't appear on a (provisional) list of dispassionate data?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 October, 2017, 01:09:05 PM
There's nothing to stop someone adding whatever the hell they like to a Wikipedia page, and publishers can't demand anything be removed if it's in the public domain already. But given that Hachette has been generous in revealing information to us lot, having a bit of respect for their wishes regarding formatting isn't really too much to ask for.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 October, 2017, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: EDazzling on 27 October, 2017, 12:57:27 PM
Ironically there's a citation needed for that fact. Do other wiki pages allow publishers to say what does and doesn't appear on a (provisional) list of dispassionate data?
What happened was, on a few occasions I and a few others put the future non-sequential books into the MC table, and they were swiftly reversed. Just had a look at notes in the MC history, but can't find the actual event. It just became simpler to take the approach seen in the 2000 AD collection - I keep a google sheet of everything else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 29 October, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
Just got the kingdom and nemesis books. Really enjoyed kingdom,i thought the art really improved as well. Love gene.
Saving nemesis although read it dozens of times, but very happy to have it in a really nice format with lots of gorgeous o'neil and redondo art.
Wallet is the definition of tat 😆
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 29 October, 2017, 08:06:50 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 29 October, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
Wallet is the definition of tat 😆

Yeah, shame about the wallet.  Don't get me wrong, I wasn't expecting some sort of luxury item but I need a new wallet at the moment and I was hoping it might be usable. 

It's larger than a child's wallet but not really adult size and it smells very strongly (or at least mine does) of its raw ingredient of diesel/oil.  I'd rather have fewer but better quality bonus items.  Even if it was just better quality plastic, slightly bigger and had a smaller logo or an embossed one you could actually use it...  Probably wouldn't have given it a second thought, just that I could have done with a new wallet..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 October, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
Got hold of Nemesis 1 today, and boy-oh-boy what a gorgeous book it is! Fourth time I've owned this material and this is my favourite edition so far. Love the end papers and the flat-colour title pages which really help break up the black-and-white strips. Also loving that the artwork has been pushed right to the bleeding edge of the pages for no loss of size!

Only niggle is that the image on the Book I title page is from Book III, and vice versa. A shame when the production values are generally so high.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Klegg Bait on 30 October, 2017, 02:15:54 PM
Waiting for Nemesis to arrive.  It's the first time I'll be reading it and I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 30 October, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: Klegg Bait on 30 October, 2017, 02:15:54 PM
Waiting for Nemesis to arrive.  It's the first time I'll be reading it and I'm looking forward to it.

Wow.. wouldn't think there's many on here who haven't read it before. You are in for a treat. The first 6 books or so, are right up there with the best of 2000AD ever. So make sure you get the next volume as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 30 October, 2017, 04:30:51 PM
Also, quick question. The poster/ star scan that serves as the first page of 'The Secret Life of The Blitzspear', where is that from? The book only lists the annual, and from a quick flick, it doesn't appear to be from that.
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 30 October, 2017, 04:31:12 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 30 October, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: Klegg Bait on 30 October, 2017, 02:15:54 PM
Waiting for Nemesis to arrive.  It's the first time I'll be reading it and I'm looking forward to it.

Wow.. wouldn't think there's many on here who haven't read it before. You are in for a treat. The first 6 books or so, are right up there with the best of 2000AD ever. So make sure you get the next volume as well.

I've never read the Nemesis books either. In fact, my only exposure to Nemesis thus far has been the one off strip that appeared in the 40th anniversary prog.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 30 October, 2017, 04:36:23 PM
Looking forward to unwrapping my copy too. Have read it once. 1981 (to whenever it ended)...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 30 October, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
Nemesis is great and in some ways encapsulates what 2000AD means to me more than any other strip.
It's funny, scary, weird, gross and violent all at once, in a way that was quite shocking when I was young. It has incredible artwork throughout - mainly of a kind you'll never see in US comics and the character designs are some of the most memorable I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: glassstanley on 30 October, 2017, 05:56:32 PM
Don't have sight of the book to confirm. Prog 305 has a colour star scan of the Blitzsoears being culled by Terminators - could this be it?

Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 30 October, 2017, 04:30:51 PM
Also, quick question. The poster/ star scan that serves as the first page of 'The Secret Life of The Blitzspear', where is that from? The book only lists the annual, and from a quick flick, it doesn't appear to be from that.
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 30 October, 2017, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: glassstanley on 30 October, 2017, 05:56:32 PM
Don't have sight of the book to confirm. Prog 305 has a colour star scan of the Blitzsoears being culled by Terminators - could this be it?


That appears to be about right, brilliant. Shame they didn't shove it at the back of the book, in the colour section. Many thanks.
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 31 October, 2017, 12:19:07 PM
Really enjoyed reading Nemesis again after all these years. Great article by Matt Smith too about the development of the story across the first three books and after, including some good points about the often overlooked Book 2, which holds up here. Great repro too, capturing every line of Kevin O'Neill's insane designs. Can't wait for more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 01 November, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
It would be great if I could find somewhere that actually stocked these. It was the same with the mega collection. Asda actually did stock the first issue (Slaine) but they seem to have given up on it already. What's the business model here?
Bit of a pain to have to order these online, with added postage and delivery hassle.
Curmudgeon of Perth
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 November, 2017, 10:15:33 PM
Business model: hook people into subscribing to make it viable in an ongoing basis for the long haul. Pick up diminishing returns in newsagents as long as the single volumes sell.

I assume you don't want every issue, then?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 02 November, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
Over here Easons (regional newsagents / bookstore) has them and 2000AD / Megazine but not Scream / Misty

Whereas Tesco has Scream / Misty but not 2000AD or Partworks.

Asda has neither / neither / nor.

Make of that what you will.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 02 November, 2017, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 01 November, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
It would be great if I could find somewhere that actually stocked these. It was the same with the mega collection. Asda actually did stock the first issue (Slaine) but they seem to have given up on it already. What's the business model here?
Bit of a pain to have to order these online, with added postage and delivery hassle.
Curmudgeon of Perth

looks like you can buy individual ones direct from the Hachette site: https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection).
I'll be ordering the Dante books as soon as they appear, unless I've spotted them on a shelf anywhere in meantime
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 02 November, 2017, 04:52:49 PM
I only want a few of these as I've got most of the stuff I like already, in decent editions. I'll just be picking up individual issues from time to time. Looks like I'll be doing that online. Do Hachette keep them available indefinitely? The old mega collection editions still seem to be on their site.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 02 November, 2017, 05:04:46 PM
'Indefinitely' is a stretch, but 'while stocks last' is more like it, and if any volumes are unavailable it's rare. I've used WH Smith, FP Glasgow and picked up a few volumes from Hachette that I missed but took my fancy. None damaged and I've no complaints. The forum reviews always handy to identify the real duds of course  :)

But it is a partwork, and if in doubt I pick them up soonish. To avoid disappointment...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 02 November, 2017, 06:49:27 PM
I have ordered individual issues directly from Hachette and also Forbidden Planet. The only one I ever had any problems getting hold of was the recent Tour of Duty one. It was showing as sold out on Hachette's website (before it had even come out!).

But FP had it up for pre-order. Not sure what was going on there.

Basically though it you want them I would just get them and not risk leaving it till later.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 02 November, 2017, 07:13:04 PM
I've seen them instore at FP but couldn't find them on the website - assumed it wasn't available online
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 November, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
Finally finished Nemesis, these books are such good value with so much reading to be done! Such genius work. So, when did Mek Quake become an ABC Warrior and change his look then?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 November, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
the very next book of nemesis i think or was it book 5?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 November, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 03 November, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
the very next book of nemesis i think or was it book 5?
Thanks! Not too long to wait then. Did Kev design all the Warriors? (Sorry for all the questions!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 November, 2017, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 03 November, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
Finally finished Nemesis, these books are such good value with so much reading to be done! Such genius work. So, when did Mek Quake become an ABC Warrior and change his look then?

He had appeared previously in Ro-Busters, along with Hammerstein and Ro-Jaws. After Book III he next appeared in Book IV, back to his 'bulldozer' form. He becomes an ABC warrior in Book V, which is also when we first see him in two-legged 'mech' mode.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 November, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
According to Facebook Nemesis Vol 3 will be out on 28 March 2018, featuring the photo-story from prog 534.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 November, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
...which is a curious three weeks after issue 14 as listed on Wikipedia... maybe Christmas will throw the dates out by a week?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 November, 2017, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 04 November, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
...which is a curious three weeks after issue 14 as listed on Wikipedia... maybe Christmas will throw the dates out by a week?
Or perhaps the dates they've got in front of them don't reflect the three weeks that issue 1 ended up sitting on the stands.
Feel free to check the wiki dates though, they also could have gone wrong at some point!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 November, 2017, 10:24:40 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 04 November, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
According to Facebook Nemesis Vol 3 will be out on 28 March 2018, featuring the photo-story from prog 534.

God, that photo story was a particularly low point.  It's a technique that practically never worked,  The story itself wasn't wonderful either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 November, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 04 November, 2017, 10:24:40 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 04 November, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
According to Facebook Nemesis Vol 3 will be out on 28 March 2018, featuring the photo-story from prog 534.

God, that photo story was a particularly low point.  It's a technique that practically never worked,  The story itself wasn't wonderful either.

That one's not too bad - and it does serve as a sort of lead-in to Bride of the Warlock. It also contains the line 'Explain yourself, madam! I myself saw you giggling with the extra-galactic!' Not too fussed whether the other strip makes an appearance, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 November, 2017, 11:11:26 AM
So we'll be getting 3 of the 4 volumes of Nemesis in pretty close succession then.  I wonder how long they'll make us wait for the concluding volume.

Personally I'd rather have the next vol of Kingdom, just finished the first one and I think it's the best book yet.  Gorgeous art (especially in the third part), great storyline, excellent characters.  I can't wait to learn more about that world.  Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Nemesis too but Kingdom just really blew me away.  Does anyone know if Vol 2 will bring us right up to date or will we end up missing series 7?

It does seem strange to cluster so much Nemesis in the first few months when there are 13 vols of Slaine to get through, you'd think they'd want to space those more evenly over the subscription.  As it is there's potentially going to be a glut of the barbarian at some point.  With 13 volumes scheduled that always meant approximately every 6th book was going to be Slaine.  Given what we know of the release schedule it's looking closer to being every 5th book from next April onwards now.  Really hope we don't end up getting a double Slaine month to catch up. 

I can now understand the reservations of those thinking this series is going to contain too much Slaine from upthread. The Horned God is imo the weakest of the volumes we've received so far (in terms of story anyway, the artwork is jaw-dropping).  If that's representative of the best of the barbarian then I'm concerned some of the others are going to be the lame ducks of the series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 November, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: sintec on 05 November, 2017, 11:11:26 AM
It does seem strange to cluster so much Nemesis in the first few months when there are 13 vols of Slaine to get through, you'd think they'd want to space those more evenly over the subscription.

Not to mention 10 vols of Stronty Dog - come the end of February we'll only have had two books of that...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 05 November, 2017, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: sintec on 05 November, 2017, 11:11:26 AM
13 vols of Slaine to get through, ....

.... I can now understand the reservations of those thinking this series is going to contain too much Slaine from upthread.

This collection was always going to be a dubious option for me.  I might have considered it if they had let the Dredd collection wrap up first.  As others have said, £40 each month is quite a bite.  Considering this, I am actually glad that they went with that option since I have to admit to falling into the "He did think it was too much" camp.  For me, Slaine has descended into a bloated mess.  The last decent storyline, for me, was just way back in the 400's.  Shell out £130 for books I'm not fussed on?  Nope.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2017, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: sintec on 05 November, 2017, 11:11:26 AMDoes anyone know if Vol 2 will bring us right up to date or will we end up missing series 7?
Judging by what we got in the first book, the second volume will include the rest of the Call of the Wild trade, and most/all of Aux Drift (Aux Drift/Beast of Eden). So that would omit As it is in Heaven. (This is guesswork, note, but seems likely, given the page counts. Adding the recent run would take you over the 250-page limit – albeit only by a few pages.)

As for Sláine, perhaps we'll get Sláine Summer. Six books in a row. He didn't think it too many!

QuoteThe Horned God is imo the weakest of the volumes we've received so far (in terms of story anyway, the artwork is jaw-dropping).  If that's representative of the best of the barbarian then I'm concerned some of the others are going to be the lame ducks of the series.
The problem with Sláine is how divisive the strip is, and also how variable the quality level is throughout the run. Strontium Dog, by comparison, is extremely solid throughout. Nemesis dips towards the end, but still remains very strong even when Mills starts shoving it through his politics filter. (Rogue Trooper, arguably, is consistently fine, rather than particularly amazing, on the flip side of the quality line.)

Sláine... Horned God works better in context, if you've read what happened before. It's more a conclusion to that era of Sláine than a starting point, to my mind. And a lot of what went before is great work – Warrior's Dawn is excellent old-school 2000 AD, as is The King. I can take or leave some of the Time Killer arc, but even that's generally strong.

After Horned God, it went a bit off the boil for me. I would quite happily have seen this collection skip from Horned God right to Book of Invasions, which were – to my mind, and despite some flaws – a return to form for the character. Brutania's another dip for me, sadly. I thought the first book was great – pacey and imaginative, but it's now lost me again.

Honestly, 13 books of Sláine is one of three things that nearly made me decide against the collection. (The other two, if anyone cares: Strontium Dog omitting the Starlord strips; John Smith's work being more or less omitted from the run.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 05 November, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
I'd say that, from my point of view, Slaine is the most consistent strip in the whole of the prog. In fact, barring the Secret Commonwealth, which reads okay as a collection, I'd say it hasn't ever put a foot wrong. The current stuff may not be to my taste due to the art- but I still look forward to it more than any other strip bar SiniDex.
Thirteen high quality Slaine hardbacks is great- but I already have all volumes, as well as all the progs. Can I justify them all again? I thought I'd dip in and out of this collection, due to the aforementioned complete set of the progs and hundreds of reprint volumes, but do you know what? I've found myself reading Nemesis again, despite having the phonebooks, which I didn't think would happen. I think I'm in it for the long run.
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 November, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
I can definitely see how context would help Horned God, part of my problem with it was it all seemed a bit too "and then..., and then".  With knowledge of the backstory those links might have felt a bit more natural.  It's not that I particularly disliked it just that in comparison to the other volumes we've received so far I found the story a little lacking.  If I was picking a volume off the shelf for a re-read at this point I doubt it'd be Horned God.  Maybe I'll give it another go once we've had the preceding three vols.

This is my first time reading these strips.  At this point I think the only thing that's likely to get me to ditch my sub is if I hate Nikolai Dante.  I can cope with a couple of sub-par volumes here and there, in a collection of 80 books there was always bound to be some stuff that isn't as good as the rest.  But if one of the major threads isn't to my taste then that would be much harder to swallow.  I mean looking at the list of titles in terms of %s:

Sláine: 16%
Strontium Dog: 12.5%
Nikolai Dante:  11%
ABC Warriors: 7.5%
Rogue Trooper: 6%
Savage/Invasion!, Nemesis: 5% each
Robo-hunter, Dredd, Sinister Dexter: 3.75% each
With the remaining 1 and 2 book sets making up the last 25%.

Slaine, Strontium Dog & Dante will make up nearly 40% of the collection.  Wanting to read Strontium Dog was one of my main reasons to buy into this and that's not disappointed so far.  Slaine was good and I'm looking forward to getting the back story, if it can keep to this standard for 13 books I'll be a happy man.  As long as Dante doesn't suck then I think I'm in for the ride.

It'll be a shame if we're missing series 7 of Kingdom.  Maybe a candidate for an extension.  Although I guess that's unlikely unless there's some new material, 1 series wouldn't make for an entire volume.  If series 8 and 9 happen in the meantime though, then it might become viable...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 06 November, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
I think people might be pleasantly surprised by later Slaine if they give it a chance. I agree, pre-Horned God is the best of the bunch (not all of it, but on average) but almost all of the later stuff reads far better in collection than I remembered from the Prog, Pat's dirty protest story Secret Commonwealth aside. Even ostensibly awful story ideas like dumping Slaine into the Albigensian Crusade have some really nice twists when you actually read them.

If I didn't already own it all twice over, I'd be tempted myself.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: sintec on 06 November, 2017, 12:06:42 PMAt this point I think the only thing that's likely to get me to ditch my sub is if I hate Nikolai Dante.
For me, Nikolai Dante is the main reason for subscribing. That series, in hardback, complete? OH YES. I'd say it's possibly the most consistent series in 2000 AD's history, in terms of ongoing quality. (Classic Strontium Dog is also excellent – I'm less enamoured with the reboot stuff, although that's still solid. Kingdom is also excellent, but much shorter.)

As for Horned God, I suspect that was a smart first item in the series, because it twangs those nostalgia glands, and was a turning point in British comics and 2000 AD as a whole from an aesthetic standpoint and in its epic/collected nature. I can't think of something that would have been better to grab potential readers with. (Halo Jones, strategically speaking, was a smart follow-up, but would have been a riskier lead.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 06 November, 2017, 01:24:57 PM
Issue 7 up at Hachette (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/strontium-dog-volume-1)
QuoteJohnny Alpha is a feared search/destroy agent - AKA a Strontium Dog - tasked with tracking down some of the galaxy's most dangerous criminals. Together with his Viking buddy Wulf Sternhammer and alien medic the Gronk, this mutant bounty hunter crosses time, space and other dimensions in pursuit of his quarry! Scripted by John Wagner (A History of Violence) and Alan Grant (Batman) and illustrated by Carlos Ezquerra (Major Eazy), this first volume of Strontium Dog cases features such classic stories as Journey into Hell, The Schicklgruber Grab and Mutie's Luck.
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/b8088f81-bc98-428c-82f2-19bb85b56a15.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 November, 2017, 01:36:31 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
As for Horned God, I suspect that was a smart first item in the series, because it twangs those nostalgia glands, and was a turning point in British comics and 2000 AD as a whole from an aesthetic standpoint and in its epic/collected nature. I can't think of something that would have been better to grab potential readers with. (Halo Jones, strategically speaking, was a smart follow-up, but would have been a riskier lead.)

Horned God and Halo as the first 2 were the perfect thing to get me to buy in.  There were both things I've been meaning to read for years so signing up for a sub to test the waters seemed like a good risk.  Now 6 books in we've had 1 installement from 2 of the 3 main hitters, with the 1st Nikolai and 2nd Stront coming next month that'll be the point where I'll either decide to bail or buckle up for the rest of the ride.  From what I've heard of Dante I strongly suspect it'll be the later.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2017, 01:58:56 PM
I'd say for anyone who doesn't own much of this material already but is already a fan of 2000 AD in some form, this collection is going to be a ridiculous bargain. A tenner a pop for hardback reprints clocking in at 200–250 pages? Top stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 06 November, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2017, 01:58:56 PM
I'd say for anyone who doesn't own much of this material already but is already a fan of 2000 AD in some form, this collection is going to be a ridiculous bargain. A tenner a pop for hardback reprints clocking in at 200–250 pages? Top stuff.

This is me. I read 2000AD between about 1994 and 2000, so missed all the classic stuff and missed the end of Nikolai Dante, which was my favourite strip after Dredd. Since coming back on board with the prog a few years ago I've gone the Complete Case Files route with Dredd, so this is the perfect way for me to get the best of the rest at extraordinarily good value.

And it really is good value. These hardbacks put the relatively costly Case Files to shame. Incredible production values. And they are so beautiful. Sometimes I just want to hold them and stare at them.

Also, they smell great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 November, 2017, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 06 November, 2017, 01:24:57 PM
Issue 7 up at Hachette (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/strontium-dog-volume-1)
QuoteJohnny Alpha is a feared search/destroy agent - AKA a Strontium Dog - tasked with tracking down some of the galaxy's most dangerous criminals. Together with his Viking buddy Wulf Sternhammer and alien medic the Gronk, this mutant bounty hunter crosses time, space and other dimensions in pursuit of his quarry! Scripted by John Wagner (A History of Violence) and Alan Grant (Batman) and illustrated by Carlos Ezquerra (Major Eazy), this first volume of Strontium Dog cases features such classic stories as Journey into Hell, The Schicklgruber Grab and Mutie's Luck.
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/b8088f81-bc98-428c-82f2-19bb85b56a15.jpg)

The cover's not by Carlos. Is it Colin MacNeil?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 06 November, 2017, 10:35:17 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 06 November, 2017, 10:09:58 PM
The cover's not by Carlos. Is it Colin MacNeil?

Greg Staples, if memory serves...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 06 November, 2017, 10:37:22 PM
Yup, Greg would be my thought too. Bit good that lad.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Klegg Bait on 07 November, 2017, 04:13:30 AM
QuoteAlso, they smell great.

Yes! 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 07 November, 2017, 07:11:16 AM
Quote from: Klegg Bait on 07 November, 2017, 04:13:30 AM
QuoteAlso, they smell great.

Yes!

How good a comic / book smells is a very under discussed thing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 November, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 07 November, 2017, 07:11:16 AM
Quote from: Klegg Bait on 07 November, 2017, 04:13:30 AM
QuoteAlso, they smell great.

Yes!

How good a comic / book smells is a very under discussed thing.
The first time I remember a book's smell having an affect on me was my 'book of the film' Ghostbusters. It smelled spooky! And I always flipped past the double spread of the library ghost.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 07 November, 2017, 10:04:12 AM
The first one I remember is The Target Book of UFOs, which smelled sweetly of sick. In later life I was disappointed, on getting a copy from a junk shop, that the smell wasn't there.
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 07 November, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
The first thing my 13 year old Son does when he receives a new book is open the book to the middle and have a good whiff.
Personally I prefer the smell of old, musty, second hand books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 November, 2017, 11:11:03 AM
For those not subscribing, Hachette currently have a code FREEPO5T for free delivery on standard orders (under £25). Just ordered a Machine Man book that came out under the Marvel Mightiest collection. It has the BWS strip that was printed as a backup in Transformers UK when I was a nipper - quality stuff!
(http://www.barrywindsor-smith.com/studio/biomm4guide.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 07 November, 2017, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2017, 05:08:51 PM
The problem with Sláine is how divisive the strip is, and also how variable the quality level is throughout the run.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 05 November, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
I'd say that, from my point of view, Slaine is the most consistent strip in the whole of the prog. In fact, barring the Secret Commonwealth, which reads okay as a collection, I'd say it hasn't ever put a foot wrong.

I'm fighting with Indigo Prime block on this - that period with Merlin and the ley-ser pistols (I still shudder as I type that) was pretty weak, despite some nice art. Slaine has it's moments storywise, but these days I tend to regard it as an excuse to drool at some jaw-dropping artwork, I lost interest in the story many years ago.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 07 November, 2017, 02:23:25 PM
You're talking about Time Killer there, which is a short digression between the magnificent Dragonheist, Bellardinelli's best ever work IMO, and the odd-but-interesting Spoils of Annwn and then Slaine the King: shorter again if you like Tomb of Terror, which has its good points. Less than half a volume either way. That's what I mean when I say reading Slaine in collected form can be surprising. Unhappy periods that you felt interminable week to week are over in a flash, and there's usually something totally different up next.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 November, 2017, 03:01:22 PM
But that's why it always feels inconsistent. I quite often like the weirder stuff – Spoils of Annwn was great, as was The Swan Children. The first bit of Brutania also seemed to head in a vaguely Mignola-like myths/weirdness direction. But then you get a bit lump of stodge to wade through.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 09 November, 2017, 01:06:18 AM
Tell you what, this Kingdom volume's the most gorgeous one yet, innit?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 09 November, 2017, 08:07:35 AM
Eh? Leyser Guns were an awesome idea when I was twelve and they're awesome now. I had unreservedly loved Slaine up to that point and Time Killer blew my mind by taking the strip off in a completely unexpected direction which expanded its possibilities a thousandfold.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 09 November, 2017, 09:56:13 AM
The Swan Children was brilliant.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 09 November, 2017, 10:42:15 AM
I always felt Leyser guns were a bit naff, but other than that Timekiller rocks. It is full of interesting ideas: the El world, The Cythrons, Elfric, Pluke only being able to help if they do good deeds.

Plus awesome art from Fabry and Pugh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 November, 2017, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 09 November, 2017, 01:06:18 AM
Tell you what, this Kingdom volume's the most gorgeous one yet, innit?

Isn't it just.  Loved every page and can't wait for the next one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 09 November, 2017, 02:40:48 PM
Kingdom is one of my all-time favourite thrills, but I've never read it in collected form: it's even better this way. This volume is just magnificent.  So many wonderful new puns I never noticed! "So long Maryan" indeed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 November, 2017, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 09 November, 2017, 08:07:35 AM
Eh? Leyser Guns were an awesome idea when I was twelve...

Yes.

Quote from: I, Cosh on 09 November, 2017, 08:07:35 AM
... and they're awesome now.

No.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: EDazzling on 09 November, 2017, 10:58:46 PM
I am 32 and I recently read Time Killer for the first time and let me tell you: leyser guns are brilliant (but time killer is a huge awful chore)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: somebody-nobody on 10 November, 2017, 02:44:07 PM
Has anyone had problems with getting individual copies? I ordered The Horned God in September to check the quality before subscription but Hachette partworks keep telling me they are not aware of my order even though i provided the order confirmation and order number and a copy of my bank statement proving the transaction. and I've noticed a lot of complaints about Hachette Partworks online.
https://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/hachette-partworks-ltd-c266586.html?page=2 (https://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/hachette-partworks-ltd-c266586.html?page=2)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 November, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
Try them on Facebook, via the page for the 2000 AD collection. Their Facebook people are, broadly speaking, a lot better than their other support staff. I've seen plenty of complaints, too, but bar packaging issues, I've never had any problems myself.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 11 November, 2017, 03:59:45 PM
Kingdom, that was damned enjoyable. Bear in mind I know squat about it. The initial story in my mind got off to a shaky start between the packs language style which was just something you got used to and after mentions of the pack in the intro text and story beginning their quick exit.

The follow one were far stronger, and mentions of Ant Wars brought up memories. I remember having the first few 2000ad annuals that had stories I suspect were inherited from Starlord. A time travelling WW2 squad, and maybe also an Ant Wars story.

Quick summary, roll on Kingdom Book 2.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 11 November, 2017, 05:40:40 PM
These are some beautiful books.
Had not opened any of the 6 so far until today.
Wow.
These are super lovely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 11 November, 2017, 05:48:26 PM
I'll be tempted to dip my toe into this series if we get any Indigo Prime hardbacks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 12 November, 2017, 10:19:28 PM
Enjoyed Kingdom, I'd missed it during my wilderness years so it was great to read a volume of it in one go. Great use of language, stunning art, and Gene is a brilliant central character. Roll on volume 2.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 13 November, 2017, 02:40:54 PM
Anyone know when the first Dante book is due to appear? A there's nine of 'em I'll have to keep my eyes peeled, wouldn't want to miss one because I'm not subscribing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 November, 2017, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 November, 2017, 02:40:54 PM
Anyone know when the first Dante book is due to appear? A there's nine of 'em I'll have to keep my eyes peeled, wouldn't want to miss one because I'm not subscribing.

The Dante volumes break down like this:

Ish  Vol
08   72   Nikolai Dante 1         29/11/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2         24/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3         02/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4         12/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5         21/08/2019
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6         25/12/2019
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7         01/04/2020
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8         10/06/2020
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9         22/07/2020

Quote
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection Hi James,

No plans as of yet, we're afraid. As for Nikolai Dante...

Vol 1: Issue 8
Vol 2: Issue 12
Vol 3: Issue 19
Vol 4: Issue 35
Vol 5: Issue 53
Vol 6: Issue 62
Vol 7: Issue 69
Vol 8: Issue 74
Vol 9: Issue 77

Hope this helps!
14 August at 10:59
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 13 November, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
that's perfect thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 13 November, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Cool, what's the source for those Dante dates?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 November, 2017, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 13 November, 2017, 02:47:52 PM

The Dante volumes break down like this:

Ish  Vol
08   72   Nikolai Dante 1         29/11/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2         24/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3         02/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4         12/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5         21/08/2019
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6         25/12/2019
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7         01/04/2020
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8         10/06/2020
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9         22/07/2020

Quote


Arh man that's so cool. Can't wait to see how the first volume looks and then in just 2 1/2 years we'll have a beautiful (hopefully) hardcover collection of 2000ad's greatest story....

JOY!!!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 November, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 November, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
that's perfect thanks
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 13 November, 2017, 08:02:50 PM
Arh man that's so cool. Can't wait to see how the first volume looks and then in just 2 1/2 years we'll have a beautiful (hopefully) hardcover collection of 2000ad's greatest story....
JOY!!!!
Quote from: Arkady on 13 November, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Cool, what's the source for those Dante dates?
Hey, I have a simple spreadsheet with the dates plugged in to add 14 days to the last volume, and the issue numbers came from Facebook. But now that you mention it, I realise I didn't account for the three weeks on issue 1, so it should be:

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2018
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2018
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2018
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2018
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2018

The Google Docs spreadsheet is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 14 November, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
I wonder what Dredd book that'll be. Dark Justice w/ Dominion perhaps?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 14 November, 2017, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 14 November, 2017, 09:41:03 AM

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2018
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2018
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2018
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2018
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2018

The Google Docs spreadsheet is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)

That spreadsheet is gold! Thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 November, 2017, 10:03:25 PM
Don't tease us with your 2018. Just dream it's only just over a year away!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 15 November, 2017, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 13 November, 2017, 08:02:50 PM
Hey, I have a simple spreadsheet with the dates plugged in to add 14 days to the last volume, and the issue numbers came from Facebook. But now that you mention it, I realise I didn't account for the three weeks on issue 1, so it should be:

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2018
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2018
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2018
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2018
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2018

The Google Docs spreadsheet is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)

Your dates from volumes 5 and beyond are wrong. The final Dante will be in 2020, not 2018.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 November, 2017, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: Neil C on 15 November, 2017, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 13 November, 2017, 08:02:50 PM
Hey, I have a simple spreadsheet with the dates plugged in to add 14 days to the last volume, and the issue numbers came from Facebook. But now that you mention it, I realise I didn't account for the three weeks on issue 1, so it should be:

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2018
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2018
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2018
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2018
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2018

The Google Docs spreadsheet is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)

Your dates from volumes 5 and beyond are wrong. The final Dante will be in 2020, not 2018.

FFS. Sorry team. I had to rebuild the dates as were in American format in the sheet and didn't correct to 2019 and 2020 when it got to that year. I'll get my coat.

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2019
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2020
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2020
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2020
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2020
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 November, 2017, 03:53:19 PM
I've maybe asked before but are we getting any VCs and if so when up to. The last released trade "Back in Action", left on a cliffhanger.

I do think some stories seem to be dominating too much when you consider just how many there are in 2000ads history.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 15 November, 2017, 04:07:12 PM
Jade- The VC's was finished off in the floppies earlier this year. I don't think they are to be included in the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 15 November, 2017, 05:41:07 PM
It's been established the collection will be the main strips - and lots of books for each. So unlikely any VCs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 November, 2017, 06:16:38 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 15 November, 2017, 05:41:07 PM
It's been established the collection will be the main strips - and lots of books for each. So unlikely any VCs.

VCs is more of a 'main strip' than the likes of Ampney Crucis and Sooner or Later...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 15 November, 2017, 11:10:14 PM

Jesus Christ, we have to wait nearly three years to get the full Nikolai Dante collection!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 15 November, 2017, 11:27:10 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 November, 2017, 06:16:38 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 15 November, 2017, 05:41:07 PM
It's been established the collection will be the main strips - and lots of books for each. So unlikely any VCs.

VCs is more of a 'main strip' than the likes of Ampney Crucis and Sooner or Later...!

I knew you'd say that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 16 November, 2017, 12:47:43 AM
VCs is not the best the prog has to offer. It's the Mega Collection, not the Meh Collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 16 November, 2017, 03:42:07 AM
Quote from: Richard on 16 November, 2017, 12:47:43 AM
VCs is not the best the prog has to offer. It's the Mega Collection, not the Meh Collection.

It's not the Mega Collection.

Sorry 😉

On strip selection, perhaps this was focus grouped, who knows? I'd prefer the shorter gems (Harry Twenty, Tribal Memories, Moore's Future Shocks, etc.) to offer the very best experience, but maybe older B/W has to be rationed for today's potential customers. But in truth I don't want another 80 (?) hardbacks - I'd given up on floppy comics in theory anyway. Cherry-picking Nemesis, Dante, Ace Trucking and a few others is just fine by me. Beautiful books so far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 November, 2017, 04:37:42 AM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 15 November, 2017, 04:07:12 PM
Jade- The VC's was finished off in the floppies earlier this year. I don't think they are to be included in the collection.


So how long did it go on beyond the "Back in Action" trade.

Digital format I don't mind for novels, but not comics or illustrated non fiction.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 November, 2017, 08:25:22 AM
From memory there were 2 floppies worth of material- so approx 110 pages. I'd have to dig 'em out to check what issues of the Meg they were with, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 16 November, 2017, 11:27:35 PM
I realise I'm probably way too late to this party, but is there anyway I can still pick up a copy of Slaine - The Horned God for £1.99? I don't see any way of picking up back issue from the Ultimate Collection website.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 16 November, 2017, 11:51:28 PM
https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection?sortOrder=postdate_acs&size=&loading=true
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 17 November, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 16 November, 2017, 11:51:28 PM
https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection?sortOrder=postdate_acs&size=&loading=true

Thank you muchly. :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jabish on 17 November, 2017, 12:45:28 PM
Does anyone know if Ro-Busters is slated to appear in the collection? Sorry of this has already been asked and answered.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 November, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
Totting up the numbers, it doesn't appear to be in the initial run. Also, with Starlord Strontium Dog not being included, if you're considering the special offer on the Ro-Busters hardback, you might want to grab a copy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 November, 2017, 01:54:12 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 November, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
Totting up the numbers, it doesn't appear to be in the initial run. Also, with Starlord Strontium Dog not being included, if you're considering the special offer on the Ro-Busters hardback, you might want to grab a copy.
I've followed this logic as well. Even if it gets included down the line it will be at least three years so I'm happy to plug for the bigger HB right now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 17 November, 2017, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 17 November, 2017, 01:54:12 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 November, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
Totting up the numbers, it doesn't appear to be in the initial run. Also, with Starlord Strontium Dog not being included, if you're considering the special offer on the Ro-Busters hardback, you might want to grab a copy.
I've followed this logic as well. Even if it gets included down the line it will be at least three years so I'm happy to plug for the bigger HB right now.

Sorry if I'm being thick but what's the Stront-RoBusters connection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 17 November, 2017, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 17 November, 2017, 09:24:01 PMSorry if I'm being thick but what's the Stront-RoBusters connection?

If the Strontium Dog volumes don't include the Starlord stories, it's a fair bet that - even if Ro-Busters makes it in - it will be missing the Starlord stories, which are included in the existing hardback Ro-Busters collections Rebellion put out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 17 November, 2017, 10:52:15 PM
Ah, thanks. I didn't realise Ro-Busters originated in Statlord!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: A.Cow on 18 November, 2017, 06:22:33 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 17 November, 2017, 10:52:15 PM
Ah, thanks. I didn't realise Ro-Busters originated in Statlord!

I think you're getting confused.  Statlord was the comic with numerically-themed strips, like Fiends of the Upper Percentile and Anderson: Phi Coefficient.

Do you mean Stairlord?  Y'know, the one which featured Stannah & Her Amazing Floating Chair and The ABC Bannisters?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jabish on 18 November, 2017, 09:51:25 AM
Cheers guys. The ro-busters hardback is on sale or do I search for a copy of the phone book version. Decisions decisions.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 November, 2017, 10:53:44 AM
Quote from: jabish on 18 November, 2017, 09:51:25 AM
Cheers guys. The ro-busters hardback is on sale or do I search for a copy of the phone book version. Decisions decisions.

It's lovely to have everything under one cover, but the hardbacks are just gooooorgeous...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 18 November, 2017, 11:08:11 AM
Quote from: A.Cow on 18 November, 2017, 06:22:33 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 17 November, 2017, 10:52:15 PM
Ah, thanks. I didn't realise Ro-Busters originated in Statlord!

I think you're getting confused.  Statlord was the comic with numerically-themed strips, like Fiends of the Upper Percentile and Anderson: Phi Coefficient.

Do you mean Stairlord?  Y'know, the one which featured Stannah & Her Amazing Floating Chair and The ABC Bannisters?

OK, I asked for that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 November, 2017, 11:41:55 AM
Quote from: jabish on 18 November, 2017, 09:51:25 AMCheers guys. The ro-busters hardback is on sale or do I search for a copy of the phone book version. Decisions decisions.
The phone book I have is on crap paper. The hardbacks have colour spreads and much better production values. At the moment, you can get the phonebook second-hand for about the price of one of the hardbacks. Personally, I'd rather have the hardbacks. (Note that if you want to save a few quid, Wordery currently has the second one at a low price, too.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 November, 2017, 06:00:56 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 16 November, 2017, 08:25:22 AM
From memory there were 2 floppies worth of material- so approx 110 pages. I'd have to dig 'em out to check what issues of the Meg they were with, though.

So last post in this thread on this topic, is there any legit way of getting the rest as Back in Action ended on somewhat of a cliffhanger?  As a further question, It seem to be true in Rogue Trooper we won't get the Dogs Trooper Intergalactic Hitman stuff that was a bit...off. However I liked the darker Rogue we got in the Realpolitik trade, will we get any of that?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 19 November, 2017, 10:51:02 AM
okay- so to get the two volumes you want Megs 380 & 381

Both available in the 2000 AD meg shop: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/megazines/2017/MEG380P (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/megazines/2017/MEG380P)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 November, 2017, 02:06:08 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 19 November, 2017, 10:51:02 AM
okay- so to get the two volumes you want Megs 380 & 381

Both available in the 2000 AD meg shop: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/megazines/2017/MEG380P (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/megazines/2017/MEG380P)

Cheers.

I wonder how Are Trucking will look after all these years, certainly Bellardinellis art will be as mind bending as ever, having already sampled that in Meltdown Man.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 19 November, 2017, 02:07:43 PM
... or you could see if any boarders happen to have them spare and free to a good home (postage only) ... hint, hint.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 19 November, 2017, 02:09:26 PM
I'd rather Tharg got the money.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 19 November, 2017, 03:35:15 PM
He did.  Now they're just gathering dust.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2017, 02:14:20 PM
Well, here's what everyone is going to want to know about Strontium Dog vol 1 - there are [spoiler]no[/spoiler] colour centre spreads. Otherwise, though, it's the usual bang-up excellent repro job. Some of the strips look loads better than in my phonebooks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 November, 2017, 03:28:15 PM
What's in it. The only phone book I have is the one with Portrait of a Mutant in it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2017, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 21 November, 2017, 03:28:15 PM
What's in it. The only phone book I have is the one with Portrait of a Mutant in it.

Galaxy Killers through to Doc Quince Case, plus the customary essay and a few full-page colour covers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 21 November, 2017, 04:13:03 PM
Just finished the 'Kingdom' volume which I'd never read before - absolutely loved it!

The most involving and enjoyable 'new' strip I've ever read in the prog I think. By new I mean, post Harry 20, Skizz, Zenith Bad Company etc..

I went away from the prog for a while around the 1000s and came back again a few years ago so I caught the final 2 chapters of Kingdom.  Didn't really get into it then, but having read from the start I now can't wait for the next volumes and reading the last 2 chapters again.     
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2017, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2017, 02:14:20 PM
Well, here's what everyone is going to want to know about Strontium Dog vol 1 - there are [spoiler]no[/spoiler] colour centre spreads. Otherwise, though, it's the usual bang-up excellent repro job. Some of the strips look loads better than in my phonebooks.
So is it greyscale or black and white?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2017, 05:06:17 PM
Standard black and white.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 21 November, 2017, 05:47:11 PM
You are right that is what I wanted to know. I don't actually own Journey to Hell, but I have read it in the SD Files I borrowed from the library.

To me it's one of the weakest Strontium Dog stories, so no colour spreads means no purchase for me I'm afraid.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2017, 06:03:00 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 21 November, 2017, 05:47:11 PM
I don't actually own Journey to Hell, but I have read it in the SD Files I borrowed from the library.

To me it's one of the weakest Strontium Dog stories, so no colour spreads means no purchase for me I'm afraid.

Yeah, it's not a great one. Rambles on and on with no real sense of coherent plot, and Ezquerra's art mostly looks quite rushed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 21 November, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
Journey to Hell is great, you philistines!  ;) Carlos's double-page spreads are absolutely glorious - I've said this many times, but it's easy to forget just how good he is at evoking a nightmarish ambience in his stories. Give him the chance to draw some zombies or skellingtons, and the man's in his infernal element - to wit, the 'Desert of the Living Dead' spread, which is as evocative as it gets.

Not having the spreads in colour is indeed a huge disincentive to purchase, however.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 November, 2017, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 21 November, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
Journey to Hell is great, you philistines!  ;) Carlos's double-page spreads are absolutely glorious - I've said this many times, but it's easy to forget just how good he is at evoking a nightmarish ambience in his stories. Give him the chance to draw some zombies or skellingtons, and the man's in his infernal element - to wit, the 'Desert of the Living Dead' spread, which is as evocative as it gets.

Yep this... kinda... Journey to Hell is good, very good, but its not Portrait of a Mutant or Rage good but its damned good....

Is it Dante next? If so better start thinking about where I'm going to pick that up...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 21 November, 2017, 09:47:57 PM

Anyone really looking forward to getting the first figurine? I think we'll get the Nemesis figure in Jan/Feb? I would imagine the figurines will become real collectors items, especially the later ones like Dante and Dredd.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 22 November, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
I've always felt, personally, that Journey to Hell was a bit of a mixed bag.  Artistically to me it is classic Ezquerra and that may well be why I've always had a soft spot for it.  His vision of hell jibes incredibly well with Dante and that was probably the inspiration.  About as close as I think we will ever get to an illustrated version of that work.  Storywise though, it suffers a little toward the end. 

It seems part of a different generation of Stront story.  The early stuff wore it's Western roots on its sleeve quite openly.  Post Portrait there always seemed a more political edge to it and the discrimination side came to the fore.  The pre rebirth stories seemed a little lost at times, or perhaps 'experimental' is a better word, grasping for a renewed vision.  The current post rebirth stories seem to show a harsher, more cynical edge to Johnny.  He seems to have lost a little of the compassion he had in the early stories (e.g. the Moses Job).  There was always a steel to him but now there seems to be little else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 22 November, 2017, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Greg M. on 21 November, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
Not having the spreads in colour is indeed a huge disincentive to purchase, however.

Ok so if they gave it the Mek Files treatment (but without cropping the art to remove the next Prog boxes) then I would consider it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 November, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 22 November, 2017, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Greg M. on 21 November, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
Not having the spreads in colour is indeed a huge disincentive to purchase, however.

Ok so if they gave it the Mek Files treatment (but without cropping the art to remove the next Prog boxes) then I would consider it.

Hopefully (because the repro heavy lifting has already been done for Mek Files 1) the first ABC Warriors book will have colour spreads.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 23 November, 2017, 07:48:36 AM
Anyone else found that the quality has dipped significantly with this one? Not the stories, they're as great as they ever were, but mine seems to be poorly reproduced - too white and scratchy on a lot of pages in the first story, too dark on some later pages. I get mine from my local comic shop who orders it in for me and I doubt that it's bad enough to return it, but it is annoying. Enough to say that I wouldn't have bought any more if the first had been like this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 23 November, 2017, 08:58:06 AM
Is it just the early B&W stuff?  This was a problem with the mega collection as well.  The recent colour stuff was fine but some of the early strips were dire at times.  Blacked out blocks of images, loss of detail, not good at times.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 23 November, 2017, 12:11:19 PM
Yes, the repro. in SD vol. 1 is up and down, but I really do think that is due to the original materials they are working with.

Could Rebellion have done some remastering?  Maybe, I don't know, but otherwise, it's a lovely book in general.

(Although the completist in me wanted the Starlord stories including, of course!)

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 November, 2017, 11:21:42 PM
Okay, I enjoyed most of that.  Journey to Hell did waver a bit and drag on and the 'Space Trucker' dialogue was a bit grating but a sign of the times.  Hell, my brother had a CB and I remember watching far too many movies like Convoy. :)

The Schikelgruber Job story was silly, but in a good way of course.  Him offering Stix a job was funny, if anything I thought he would offer a position to Wulf since he certainly would fit Der Fuhrers Aryan stereotype in terms of appearance. :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 24 November, 2017, 11:23:10 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 22 November, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
His vision of hell jibes incredibly well with Dante and that was probably the inspiration.  About as close as I think we will ever get to an illustrated version of that work.
Err https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dantes-Inferno-Graphic-Joseph-Lanzara/dp/0963962116/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511565605&sr=8-1&keywords=dante%27s+inferno+graphic+novel
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 24 November, 2017, 11:52:42 PM
My first post on here in God knows how long but I had to say that I think the choice of stories for this line is completely uninspiring. I realise that as someone who still buys the program every week and most trades I'm probably not the target audience but there are too many volumes on titles already in collected form. I'm going to keep buying every issue but I would have preferred that instead of x volumes on slaine and Strontium Dog reprinting titles already collected that hidden classics such as the Red Seas had been included.

Rant over, I would also like to say that I'm delighted this is happening at all and I hate to sound so miserable about it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 25 November, 2017, 12:20:15 AM
A collection that printed 'hidden classics' would be weird. If you have stories already, the fact you're blindly, unhappily, buying them again makes little sense to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 25 November, 2017, 02:47:38 AM
I must admit that I'm not the biggest Slaine fan and would like a few less of that and some more volumes on other things, but I'll maybe change my mind.  Of course we all have our different tastes.  Some old stories date better than others. 

The trouble with saying that some of them have already been printed are that they had a fairly short print run.  Savage for example, look how much it costs to get The Guv'nor or Taking Liberties, ditto with something like Flesh.  Other stories like Mean Streets just don't date well at all, the whole future sports thing being a bit dodgy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 25 November, 2017, 08:13:35 AM
Think you mean "Mean Arena".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 November, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Subscriber delivery day 🎉
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 25 November, 2017, 02:45:36 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 25 November, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Subscriber delivery day 🎉

As early subscribers drop off, regardless of how many new subscribers come onboard, is my subscriber delivery day likely to move to earlier in the month? At the moment I tend to get it in the week between releases.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 November, 2017, 02:53:46 PM
This happened to me with Dredd. Hachette said it's company policy to avoid two payments within a single month, where possible, but they could change my date with written permission. I duly did so, and got two books about two weeks after the previous ones. Always worth a shot. Approach via Facebook, as ever.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 25 November, 2017, 05:48:12 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 25 November, 2017, 08:13:35 AM
Think you mean "Mean Arena".

I stand corrected. :)

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 25 November, 2017, 06:44:10 PM
Hi all,

Started subscribing from issue 2 & loving it as stopped reading 2000AD back in the Nineties so loving the series as getting to reread classics & experience a lot of what I consider the "newer" stuff for the first time.

Quick query though, got home & received a parcel but only containing one book Issue 6 "Kingdom Vol. 1" & a cheap tatty wallet. Only been charged for one book but just wondered if anyone had experienced this? Maybe so they can send me out a parcel of two books before Xmas?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 25 November, 2017, 06:59:27 PM
The wallet should of come with issue 5 and 6 this month should be 7 and 8
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 25 November, 2017, 08:32:25 PM
Just wondering does anyone know how the Ultimate Collection is selling? Im absolutely loving thus far. Kingdom in glorious hardback is probably my fave volume. 6 issues in and im already hoping the mega collection is extended lol. Would love to see Vector 13 stories collected
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 25 November, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
Loving the Ezquerra artwork on SD.

I started collecting 2000AD around 750 onwards, so hadn't much exposure to Johnny Alpha, so really looking forward to the next collection.

Having never read Nikolai Dante, I'm really looking forward to getting stuck onto it, as it seems, from what i've read on the boards, to be a 2000AD classic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 25 November, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: Colin Zeal on 24 November, 2017, 11:52:42 PM
My first post on here in God knows how long but I had to say that I think the choice of stories for this line is completely uninspiring.

Not aimed at us, Colin mate.  I imagine all the remaining uncollected gems (?) will end up under conventional soft covers one day, even Red Seas (eventually), while the UC is a greatest hits/recognisable character collection for the casual/new fan.  They can't keep selling to the dwindling ranks of grogsquaxx alone.

But as you say, glad its happening at all, and the two volumes I have cherry-picked so far (Kreeler Conspiracy and Kingdom) have been fantabulous.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 November, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
Quote from: Rately on 25 November, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
Having never read Nikolai Dante, I'm really looking forward to getting stuck onto it, as it seems, from what i've read on the boards, to be a 2000AD classic.

Oh it is, it really bloody is. Quite possibly the best thing to have ever been in the comic. And that's saying quite something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 25 November, 2017, 11:13:52 PM
I like Dante overall but I don't think it really gets good until the war kicks in.
All that 'too cool to kill' and bed hopping stuff makes me cringe if I'm honest.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 26 November, 2017, 12:48:51 AM
I couldn't take Dante seriously until The Great Game, when it suddenly got much better. It peaked during Tsar Wars.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 26 November, 2017, 09:18:22 AM
I wonder when they'll get around to updating the Next Issue page on the official collection website.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 26 November, 2017, 09:20:15 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 November, 2017, 02:53:46 PM
This happened to me with Dredd. Hachette said it's company policy to avoid two payments within a single month, where possible, but they could change my date with written permission. I duly did so, and got two books about two weeks after the previous ones. Always worth a shot. Approach via Facebook, as ever.

Useful, thanks! Might try to do that: would be great to get them closer to when the first one hits the shelves.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 26 November, 2017, 10:34:14 AM
I was just about to say enjoying dante as a fun romp but 9 volumes? Glad to hear it develops 🤔
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2017, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: Richard on 26 November, 2017, 12:48:51 AM
I couldn't take Dante seriously until The Great Game

I don't think you're supposed to. That's the whole point...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 26 November, 2017, 11:37:54 AM
Grud how I hated Dante when it started.  Everything about it irritated me: messy art, ugly faces, arrogant unkillable hero, stupid anachronistic setting, forced catchphrases and cod-Russian jargon.  Gah! Is this what the Prog has turned into in the '90s?  I'm off! 

How utterly, completely wrong I was, on every count.

Advice to newcomers: stick with it. It takes a wee while to find its feet (not long), there's too much repetition (probably due to establishing a clear identity as a long-running saga doled out in weekly chunks), far too many surprise resurrections (most of them welcome), and a dose of dodgy sexual/gender politics, but it's all going somewhere, and the journey is just spectacular.

Probably 2000AD's most under-appreciated comics classic: if the Ultimate Collection does nothing else, I hope it finally gives Kolya the wider recognition he deserves.  Not to mention R. Morrison, Burns and especially the incomparable Fraser.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 01:07:37 PM

Nikolai Dante is my favourite strip! only discovered the character this year, and I have already read through the series twice. It is a shame that the series would be considered hideously politically incorrect by today's standards. I could imagine millennials having an aneurysm reading this, and feminists... Jesus, they would go in to a melt down. So there is no way in hell we'll ever see Nikolai in his original form hit the big, or small screen.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 26 November, 2017, 01:52:49 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
It is a shame that the series would be considered hideously politically incorrect by today's standards. I could imagine millennials having an aneurysm reading this, and feminists... Jesus, they would go in to a melt down.

I'm a feminist  (no, really (http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/57301/ten-things-an-irish-woman-could-not-do-in-1970-and-be-prepared-to-cringe#.UpMsxI9UgzQ.twitter)), and I think it's great, if understandably immature in its early days. Possibly you are confusing 'feminist' with 'Mary Whitehouse', or 'twitter bot'.

And while I'm against adaptations of stuff I love as a matter of course, it'd be the the best Netflix series evah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: EDazzling on 26 November, 2017, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 01:07:37 PM

It is a shame that the series would be considered hideously politically incorrect by today's standards. I could imagine millennials having an aneurysm reading this, and feminists... Jesus, they would go in to a melt down.


what an appealing endorsement
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 November, 2017, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 26 November, 2017, 01:52:49 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
It is a shame that the series would be considered hideously politically incorrect by today's standards. I could imagine millennials having an aneurysm reading this, and feminists... Jesus, they would go in to a melt down.

I'm a feminist  (no, really (http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/57301/ten-things-an-irish-woman-could-not-do-in-1970-and-be-prepared-to-cringe#.UpMsxI9UgzQ.twitter)), and I think it's great, if understandably immature in its early days. Possibly you are confusing 'feminist' with 'Mary Whitehouse', or 'twitter bot'.

And while I'm against adaptations of stuff I love as a matter of course, it'd be the the best Netflix series evah.

As ever listen to Tordelback.

While Dante as a character is a womaniser that in no way makes the series sexist in any way and I see absolutely no reason for anyone who cares about gender politics to be offended by the strip or like or dislike it either way - quite why caring about having equality between the sexs is something 'millenials' would care about opposed to any one else escapes me as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 November, 2017, 02:59:07 PM
It's a classic mistake to think that someone who likes sex must be a sexist - Dante's almost a feminist in his championing of the female sex, and he never made advances on anyone who wasn't receptive (Jena the very notable exception!) He is a bit one-track minded and immature, but he's constantly called out on it by most other characters later on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 05:22:56 PM

Hmm, I think people are over estimating the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic. I mean, people LOVE to be outraged by absolutely anything these days. Adam Sandler puts his hand on his female co-stars knee during the Graham Norton show and he's basically accused of sexual assault the very next day. I recently read about a mother complaining that she wants sleeping beauty taken off the curriculum because sleeping beauty didn't consent to being kissed! (how many times do we see Dante plant the lips on Jena with out her approval?)

After recently reading the entire ND run recently there were so many times I thought to myself "yeah this would cause outrage today" especially in the earlier stories. Sadly Nikolai would be seen as someone who is representative of a male, domineering patriarchy...  slapping women's butts, "objectifying them" hell, he even refers to one woman as an elephant in one story lol.

Sadly if we did ever see a screen adaptation of Nikolai, he would be nothing like his comic counter part. He would probably end up being seriously emasculated.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 26 November, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
I dimly recall the days when vocally standing up for social justice was a virtue expected of all decent people, but I digress...

Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 05:22:56 PMSadly if we did ever see a screen adaptation of Nikolai, he would be nothing like his comic counter part. He would probably end up being seriously emasculated.

Have you watched any popular genre telly lately?  Game of Thrones, for just one example? Westworld? American Gods?  No butt-slapping, consent-disrespectin' or endless bed-hopping there, no-siree, not in a world where PC has gorrrrn maaaad, 'they' wouldn't stand for it.  I'd argue TV has never been more liberal (in the true sense) in what it depicts as fiction.

This view of a repressive world where the moral fibre of fictional characters is strictly policed appears to exist in a very similar collective online fantasy to the one where Christmas has been banned by councils operating under Sharia Law.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 06:39:42 PM

I'm getting a lot of sarcastic vibes in your post lol. There's standing up for social justice, and then there's just plain ole virtue signalling, which I'm seeing more and more of these days.

The shows you have mentioned do display a lot of illiberal behaviour, but the characters displaying those behaviours are always depicted as villains. Nikolai Dante is the hero and protagonist of this particular story, there is no way his behaviour would fly in today's social climate.

I think you're really down playing the whole idea of political correctness not going mad, almost to the point of insinuating that the very notion is down to nothing but mass hysteria. I don't think a day goes by where there isn't someone complaining about something or other. I mean... safe spaces, trigger warnings, cultural appropriation, micro aggressions. I gave you two examples before that were a perfect example of people losing their shit over nothing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2017, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic.

Another one for the ignore list. Sigh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 26 November, 2017, 07:15:25 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 26 November, 2017, 02:59:07 PM
It's a classic mistake to think that someone who likes sex must be a sexist - Dante's almost a feminist in his championing of the female sex, and he never made advances on anyone who wasn't receptive (Jena the very notable exception!) He is a bit one-track minded and immature, but he's constantly called out on it by most other characters later on.
indeed. He makes an outraged point about consent to the woman in rudenstein. Strikes me as a classic 2000ad character, deeply flawed but when faced with a moral dilemma has a strong sense of social justice. See risking his life to steal enough money to stop the citizens of rudenstein being sold in serfdom for example.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 26 November, 2017, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 06:39:42 PM
There's standing up for social justice, and then there's just plain ole virtue signalling, which I'm seeing more and more of these days.

Not sure I'm in complete agreement there.  An old comment along those lines:

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men.

That said, the way this discussion seems to be heading highlights a danger in the old #metoo meme.  I would agree that there is a perception that any kind of sexualised behaviour or entertainment is risky.  Comments about SJW's and PC madness undermine the legitimate concerns that in certain industries predatory behaviour has run unchecked for years.  The perception of hysteria feeds into this and undermines attempts to clean out the swamp.

Popular entertainment has always had to tread a fine line on these issues.  Tordels makes a good point with regard to how far the pendulum has swung.  We are long way from Mary Whitehouse's day.  That said, it is still slightly schizophrenic at times.  If Dante had been written 10 years earlier it may well have gotten tooth pulled from the shelves.  Today?  I do think you are correct to question whether it would be so well received.  It is very much a creature of its time as is so much popular culture.  At the same time though, Dante evolved as a character. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 26 November, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
I'm glad someone finally spoke up about all these hypothetical sjws virtue signalling over Nikolai Dante. Bravo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2017, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic.

Another one for the ignore list. Sigh.

Seriously? I think you're being a bit touchy there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: Super Mario on 26 November, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
I'm glad someone finally spoke up about all these hypothetical sjws virtue signalling over Nikolai Dante. Bravo.

I didn't say anyone was virtue signalling over Nikolai Dante. I was implying that I personally see more and more people virtue signalling in today's social climate. I wasn't addressing anyone in this thread.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 26 November, 2017, 08:13:34 PM
Well if no one is actuallu doing it why are you moaning about it here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 26 November, 2017, 08:22:35 PM
I've heard of Nikolai Dante, but don't really know anything about him, so I'll go into it with an open mind.

Bear in mind my tastes have got some stuff that's regarded as a bit.....crap (Helltreckers, the VC's, etc).

Plus another strip I got the collection of would probably be regarded as a touch mildly politically incorrect these days and thats the Trigan Empire.

Anyway, so far the Collection has varied, but like the Dredd one I'm getting to read a lot of stuff for the first time.  And there's no doubt these books are good value, a shave under a tenner for a decent sized hardback when you consider what, say, an average graphic novel costs nowadays. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: Super Mario on 26 November, 2017, 08:13:34 PM
Well if no one is actuallu doing it why are you moaning about it here.

Super Mario, I'm not. I was interested in the idea of how ND would fare in today's political and social climate, in regards to political correctness and what. I thought it would make for an interesting dialogue, ironically I was just talking about how easily people are offended these days, and well... here we are.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: EDazzling on 26 November, 2017, 08:54:28 PM
I don't think anyone is offended, just, really, really, really bored.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 09:03:12 PM

Fair do's.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 26 November, 2017, 09:09:06 PM
No one would care about any of that stuff if ND ran today. Glad I could clear that up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 26 November, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 08:01:19 PMI personally see more and more people virtue signalling in today's social climate.

How do you distinguish 'virtue signalling' (misapplied sociobiological terminology) from speaking up for what's right?  But look, I'm dragging us off topic again.

I am intrigued by the idea that only out-and-out villains are allowed misbehave in contemporary TV fiction (and allowed by whom?).  Coming back to the simple example of GoT, who isn't a villain by those standards?  Tyrion? Jaimie? Daenerys?  All nasty pieces of work, but also our heroes.  Who is the hero in Breaking Bad?  The Sopranos?  Dante is no saint, but he never claimed to be, nor does he escape the readers' judgement: right to the last page we don't know which way he'll jump.   What he is is a compelling protagonist, and just like Walter White or Jaimie Lannister, we love him because we know he's capable of doing the right thing, and we hope he will, despite all evidence to the contrary.  It's the potential for being better that makes these guys interesting interesting (plus the fun of watching all their transgressions).

As a wise man said rather more than once, heroes be damned.

The issue here for me is that this is all fiction: no people were harmed in the making.  The other stuff you talk about is in the real world, and it's a endless river of unnecessary pain that needs to be, maybe is being, addressed.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 26 November, 2017, 09:49:10 PM
Using Game of Thrones as an example, the ultimate of course is the Hound.  He started off as a total and complete sod, and he's not much better in his attitude now.  Part of it is he hates himself as much as he hates those round about him.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: iainkey on 26 November, 2017, 10:39:46 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 25 November, 2017, 06:44:10 PMHi all,

Started subscribing from issue 2 & loving it as stopped reading 2000AD back in the Nineties so loving the series as getting to reread classics & experience a lot of what I consider the "newer" stuff for the first time.

Quick query though, got home & received a parcel but only containing one book Issue 6 "Kingdom Vol. 1" & a cheap tatty wallet. Only been charged for one book but just wondered if anyone had experienced this? Maybe so they can send me out a parcel of two books before Xmas?


Same here, I wondered about this too...


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 27 November, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2017, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 26 November, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic.

Another one for the ignore list. Sigh.

Seriously? I think you're being a bit touchy there.

Don't mind Jim.  He's a bit gruff but harmless.  Just buy him a pint and make nice noises about Comic Sans and he'll be rolling over for you to scratch his tummy in no time.   ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 November, 2017, 06:10:20 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 27 November, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
Don't mind Jim.  He's a bit gruff but harmless.

No. Sorry. I'm trying not to get into fights with people, both for the general ambience here and the sake of my blood pressure, and someone who starts hauling up strawmen about what "SJWs, millennials and feminists" will be offended by is someone whose opinion is of no interest to me. Hence the ignore list. I'll thank you to neither patronise me, nor speak for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 27 November, 2017, 07:00:34 PM
My apologies sir.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 27 November, 2017, 07:02:13 PM

  Well I don't want to start a fight either, but I will throw in my two cents and leave it here. Unlike Jim, I don't "ignore" people. I am open to hearing all opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them or not, or how uncomfortable an opinion might make me feel, and not just listening to those that I agree with. Otherwise you're just sheltering yourself, and essentially  living in a safe space and you never grow as a person.

Tjm86, appreciate the gesture. Unfortunately you were met with a very snotty reply from someone who (sorry to say) just strikes me as a ridiculous person. Anyway... sorry for the drama. I'm done.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Modern Panther on 27 November, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
QuoteI think people are over estimating the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic. I mean, people LOVE to be outraged by absolutely anything these days.

QuoteI am open to hearing all opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them or not, or how uncomfortable an opinion might make me feel

I'm happy to listen to your opinion, but before I do I will make assumptions about it and call it silly
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 November, 2017, 07:43:24 PM
Knock it off, everyone. We're not going to close this thread, given its importance, but can we get the discussion back on track to the books, and not content that would better belong in the political thread? If not, we're going to start deleting stuff without warning.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 November, 2017, 10:07:50 PM
i kinda hope the dante book keeps the historical blurbs
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 27 November, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
I've come late to Dante, I've always been put off collecting all the volumes but the 2000ad collection will change all that. It's great to read a swashbuckling & romantic hero. I guess Strontium Dog kind of flirted with Durham Red but we've rarely seen much sexuality or humanity since Halo Jones. I think the draw of Vertigo comics stopped my enjoyment of the prog way before Dante and I stopped buying it. Dredd in particular seemed dull and staid, when many 2000ad creators were exploring sexuality, magic & weirdness for DC. I wish I'd known about Nikolai earlier - it was so easy to think 2000ad was chasing its tail, rebooting & rehashing. The prog seems much healthier now, but I'd still like to see more 'real' relationships. It's great thinking the likes of Brink & Lawless can have time for developing characters, and Dredd seems more dimensional around Vienna or Demarco.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 November, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
Classic stuff in Strontium Dog volume 1, although I can't recall ever having read Journey Into Hell before. It reminded me of City of the Damned quite a lot, our heroes dealing with various nasty encounters before confronting the cause of all the evil in its lair. The ending was straight out of Scooby Doo though. The Schicklgruber Grab brought back happy memories, great fun reading it again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
OK, an update on the cover (via forbidden planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230843-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-issue-10-judge-dredd-return-of-the-king/)) to the Dredd book "The Return Of The King" including credits, so what is this book likely to contain you think? Simply any Dredd strips by Ezquerra currently excluded from the JDMC?

(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4025054_1ht4lXQ.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

Also the final cover for Nemesis volume 2:

(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4025061_7t3NGNl.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 November, 2017, 11:28:22 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Also the final cover for Nemesis volume 2:

(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4025061_7t3NGNl.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

Hmm. I don't love the colouring on that, but I suppose it will match that of the Book 1 cover quite well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 30 November, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
Maybe I missed it upthread, but it seems (from the Facebook page) that there were printing issues with issue 7 and that some subscribers will only get issue 6 this month, then get issues 7&8 next month. That will suck, and I wonder how they will square it with the payments.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 30 November, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
Maybe I missed it upthread, but it seems (from the Facebook page) that there were printing issues with issue 7 and that some subscribers will only get issue 6 this month, then get issues 7&8 next month. That will suck, and I wonder how they will square it with the payments.
I saw those two people saying they'd only got one copy but hadn't seen the reply. I got my two, haven't cracked them beyond a cursory glance as yet so can't speak to printing errors. Over on the Transformers page yet another mistake has been found in one issue (http://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/301509) - a sloppy bit of layout work by someone!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 30 November, 2017, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Also the final cover for Nemesis volume 2:

(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4025061_7t3NGNl.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

I'll have to pick this one up, my personal favorite period of Nemesis combined with my possibly all time favorite artist.

I like that cover too.
Random thought of the day- when crafting wooden swords as I kid I always used Talbot's more rigid design for Excessus (sharpened ice-pop sticks making the perfect hilt).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 November, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Where is that Nemesis image from? I don't recognise it and don't think this series has new covers?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 02:15:45 PMOver on the Transformers page yet another mistake has been found in one issue (http://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/301509) - a sloppy bit of layout work by someone!
Honestly, it's hard to think of how they could have made that collection much worse. The repro is truly abysmal – some of the worst I've ever seen. The recolouring effort is atrocious. I really don't know what they were thinking when redoing that early Marvel US stuff. And now IDW appears to have given up on the UK Classics reprints, too. Bah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 30 November, 2017, 04:19:54 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
Honestly, it's hard to think of how they could have made that collection much worse. The repro is truly abysmal – some of the worst I've ever seen. The recolouring effort is atrocious. I really don't know what they were thinking when redoing that early Marvel US stuff. And now IDW appears to have given up on the UK Classics reprints, too. Bah.
I was in 2 minds with the Transformers collection but after taking my dd details twice they still couldn't get it right (despite having had successful marvel and Dredd setup) so I gave up on it. Glad now if they are abandoning the UK reprints altogether.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 November, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Where is that Nemesis image from? I don't recognise it and don't think this series has new covers?

Found it (https://2000adonline.tumblr.com/post/55612067259/classic-moments-of-thrill-power-nemesis-the)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/2962bc83d31c090578b36836799201e1/tumblr_mq1geqN4Xs1qf427ko1_500.jpg)
QuoteClassic Moments Of Thrill-Power™-Nemesis the Warlock:The Gothic Empire
Original series art droid Bryan Talbot,one of the UK's most unique creative talents,reprises a vintage slice of Thrill-Power™ in this Nemesis the Warlock pin-up for Prog 2008(12Dec'07).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: geronimo on 30 November, 2017, 04:37:29 PM
I have just unsubscribed from collection having still received nothing after they messed up my address.  I'm not hanging about for the first package when new volumes are coming into the shops.

Are others still having problems and do problems get sorted at all?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 30 November, 2017, 04:19:54 PMI was in 2 minds with the Transformers collection but after taking my dd details twice they still couldn't get it right (despite having had successful marvel and Dredd setup) so I gave up on it. Glad now if they are abandoning the UK reprints altogether.
I should clarify: Hachette aren't abandoning UK reprints – it looks like IDW is. Their sixth volume of UK material has been MIA for well over a year now. The repro is equally awful across iDW and Hachette's Transformers stuff though, as far as the classic Marvel content goes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 30 November, 2017, 04:53:18 PM
Gotcha
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 November, 2017, 06:03:37 PM
Garth Ennis' name on the Dredd cover suggests it will indeed include the title story. Seems a bit odd to me to include a Necropolis sequel in this collection when all the others have appeared in the Mega Collection. Happy to have it as a companion volume to the MC but non-collectors of that might be a bit bemused.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 November, 2017, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 November, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Where is that Nemesis image from? I don't recognise it and don't think this series has new covers?

Found it (https://2000adonline.tumblr.com/post/55612067259/classic-moments-of-thrill-power-nemesis-the)


Arh good work! So I had seen it before, surprised I don't remember that, its class.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 30 November, 2017, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 30 November, 2017, 06:03:37 PM
Garth Ennis' name on the Dredd cover suggests it will indeed include the title story. Seems a bit odd to me to include a Necropolis sequel in this collection when all the others have appeared in the Mega Collection. Happy to have it as a companion volume to the MC but non-collectors of that might be a bit bemused.

It is an odd thing to do, but I'm eagerly waiting to see what happened with Silver.  He never struck me as much of a Chief Judge, a bit too much of a hardliner, mind you, from re-reading some Anderson material, Volt seems no better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 01 December, 2017, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 30 November, 2017, 11:40:18 PM
It is an odd thing to do, but I'm eagerly waiting to see what happened with Silver.  He never struck me as much of a Chief Judge, a bit too much of a hardliner, mind you, from re-reading some Anderson material, Volt seems no better.

When John Wagner wrote Volt, he was seen as a liberal reformer. Alan Grant seemed not to have picked up on this, hence Volt is wildly out of character in the Anderson stories he appears in (particularly 'Crusade'.)

Silver was a great character, but from an in-universe perspective, he's the single worst Chief Judge the city ever had. And that includes Cal!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 01 December, 2017, 12:29:24 PM
Sure that honour goes to Francisco, who was manipulated into office on the back of a TV career, allowed himself to be drugged and controlled by Sinfield, failed to identify the Mayor of MC-1 during his term* as the mass-murderer PJ Maybe and then when he was unmasked failed to execute him or even keep him in custody, before failing to prevent the most devastating foreign attack on the City in its history despite ample opprtunity, and failing to manage the curfew situation once the Chaos bug was in the city. Nice guy, but sheesh! 


*I accept that this was more Hershey's fault.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 01 December, 2017, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 30 November, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
Maybe I missed it upthread, but it seems (from the Facebook page) that there were printing issues with issue 7 and that some subscribers will only get issue 6 this month, then get issues 7&8 next month. That will suck, and I wonder how they will square it with the payments.

As one of those who only got Issue 6 delivered cheers for posting that, I hadn't seen anything about it on the FB page.

To answer your question I only got charged for the one issue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 01 December, 2017, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 01 December, 2017, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 30 November, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
Maybe I missed it upthread, but it seems (from the Facebook page) that there were printing issues with issue 7 and that some subscribers will only get issue 6 this month, then get issues 7&8 next month. That will suck, and I wonder how they will square it with the payments.

As one of those who only got Issue 6 delivered cheers for posting that, I hadn't seen anything about it on the FB page.

To answer your question I only got charged for the one issue.

Still waiting for issues 5+6 here - had a second lot sent out 2 weeks ago, but still nothing  :(
Bah!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 01 December, 2017, 06:06:12 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 01 December, 2017, 12:29:24 PM
Sure that honour goes to Francisco

As ever, you make some awfully good points. Francisco is not particularly competent, and in terms of sheer number of mega-citizens dead due to his mistakes, he is indeed the worst - that's inarguable. Silver, however, seemed to actively court disaster - his ill-judged, wrong-headed decisions set in motion event after event that combined to usher in Necropolis, for which he is directly and personally responsible. Francisco failed to prevent a (substantially bigger) disaster, but at least he [spoiler]knew when to quit[/spoiler].
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 01 December, 2017, 08:18:21 PM
I'm sure this could be settled scientifically by a handy 'number of times ignored Dredd's gut feeling' metric.

You could well be right about Silver, Greg.  Maybe I'm just biased against reality TV stars who gain high office through courting racism with exclusionist rhetoric...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 01 December, 2017, 08:56:28 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 01 December, 2017, 08:18:21 PM
Maybe I'm just biased against reality TV stars who gain high office through courting racism with exclusionist rhetoric...

How do you feel about treasonous US leaders who collaborate with and are manipulated by the Russians? Ah, Griffin - relevant again after all these years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 01 December, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
wasn't griffin brainwashed tho :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 03 December, 2017, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
OK, an update on the cover (via forbidden planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230843-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-issue-10-judge-dredd-return-of-the-king/)) to the Dredd book "The Return Of The King" including credits, so what is this book likely to contain you think? Simply any Dredd strips by Ezquerra currently excluded from the JDMC?

On https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/judge-dredd-return-of-the-king it says "A veteran artist of over forty years' standing, Carlos Ezquerra is the co-creator of Judge Dredd, visualising the imposing uniform, helmet, bike and gun that would become one of the world's most iconic comics characters. An effortless storyteller, he handles comedy, horror, action and drama with equal ease, and his influence on 2000 AD continues to be seen to this day. This collection of stories from writers John Wagner (Button Man), Alan Grant (Batman) and Garth Ennis (Preacher) sees Ezquerra at the height of his powers – from rampaging giant ants to mind-controlling aliens!"

Sounds like a "The Rest of Ezquerra".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 03 December, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Sounds like "Starborn Thing"'s in there?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 December, 2017, 10:48:10 AM
Quote from: Apestrife on 03 December, 2017, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 30 November, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
OK, an update on the cover (via forbidden planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230843-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-issue-10-judge-dredd-return-of-the-king/)) to the Dredd book "The Return Of The King" including credits, so what is this book likely to contain you think? Simply any Dredd strips by Ezquerra currently excluded from the JDMC?

On https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/judge-dredd-return-of-the-king it says "A veteran artist of over forty years' standing, Carlos Ezquerra is the co-creator of Judge Dredd, visualising the imposing uniform, helmet, bike and gun that would become one of the world's most iconic comics characters. An effortless storyteller, he handles comedy, horror, action and drama with equal ease, and his influence on 2000 AD continues to be seen to this day. This collection of stories from writers John Wagner (Button Man), Alan Grant (Batman) and Garth Ennis (Preacher) sees Ezquerra at the height of his powers – from rampaging giant ants to mind-controlling aliens!"

Sounds like a "The Rest of Ezquerra".

I totally missed that this book had landed on their site - basically cos it suffers that classic problem of book 10 jumping in front of book 1 due to a lack of zeros in the indexing.

So, with this one being an Ezquerra special, is there enough Bolland or Kennedy or someone else to fill out one of the other books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 04 December, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Plenty complete Kennedy I'd imagine, but not totted up what's already been printed.

Bolland - doubt it. There aren't that many complete Bolland stories that are standalone.

I can't see them going the IDW route of printing odd stories from an epic, or a centre spread from Luna 1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 December, 2017, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 December, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Plenty complete Kennedy I'd imagine, but not totted up what's already been printed.

Bolland - doubt it. There aren't that many complete Bolland stories that are standalone.

I can't see them going the IDW route of printing odd stories from an epic, or a centre spread from Luna 1.

Fair point and of course one of the others is Dark Justice. So that only leaves one other book, which I have guessed at before as being "Judge Dredd Vol1",  with Devil's Island and Robot Wars etc from Case Files 1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 04 December, 2017, 03:51:39 PM
i just want a hc complete kenny who is that too much to ask its not like i am asking for a hc canon fodder or something :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 04 December, 2017, 06:00:33 PM
I reckon Kenny Who will make it into the last books of the MegaCollection. It's been in print before & is always a favourite. Are there other 'art in megacity' stories it could be filled up with?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Juan De La Karite on 05 December, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
Quote from: geronimo on 30 November, 2017, 04:37:29 PM
I have just unsubscribed from collection having still received nothing after they messed up my address.  I'm not hanging about for the first package when new volumes are coming into the shops.

Are others still having problems and do problems get sorted at all?

They made a complete arse of setting up my DD but I had no problems with the subscription itself, everything has turned up regularly. Finally got the DD issue resolved after a few weeks of staying on top of it myself.

Loving the Ultimate Collection so far though. As a relatively new convert to 2000ad it's a great way of catching up on classic stories, I was planning on buying TPB's anyway but getting hardbacks delivered to the door is very, very handy.

So far, Halo Jones and Strontium Dog have been my favourites.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 December, 2017, 11:50:56 AM
As if you cats need reminding, Nikolai Dante vol. 1 is out today.

(No idea if my local Smiths have had some sort of tip-off, but there were markedly more copies of this than any other Ult. Coll. volume to date).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 December, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
My local Thrill-merchant is currently being sent second copies in addition to the one he saves for me, but they seem to sit on the shelf for two weeks before being returned. However I'll keep an eye on whether Dante's smiling face remains there this time round.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GrudgeJohnDeed on 06 December, 2017, 03:49:06 PM
I just read through the Nikolai Dante book, just as good as I remember! The extra stuff was nice too, I had the huge graphic novel from years and years ago, and it was missing parts like him bedding the Rasputin lady. He still made reference to it later though when he see's the Rasputin peeps at the Tsar's party and at the time I was confused
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 December, 2017, 04:21:14 PM
Well my local WH Smith's has screwed up AGAIN. No Dante book. Before the 2000ad and Dredd books have been in the same day but three times before there was no book left by but copies on the shelf. This time, nothing. Im only in that town once a fortnight due to commitments.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Timothy on 06 December, 2017, 06:50:09 PM
Now that we are getting Dante in 9 volumes rather than 11 it will be interesting g to see where the books divide. For the sake of completeness it would be nice to have the recent flashback story I cluded, although my personal view is that this would be better included as an extra in one of the slimmer volumes rather than appearing at the end. The end of Dante is so good that it really does need to stop there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 December, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
Quote from: Timothy on 06 December, 2017, 06:50:09 PM
Now that we are getting Dante in 9 volumes rather than 11 it will be interesting g to see where the books divide.

The first book is all the 'Romanov Empire' TPB content plus 'The trouble with Arbatovs' and 'Cruel Britannia' (previously from the start of the 'Great Game' TPB). As a result Vol.2 should be able to fit in everything up to 'Last Dance on the TransSiberian Express'; if it's light on essay stuff then it could fit in 'Cruel Seas' as well, allowing Vol.3 to open with 'Courtship of Jena Makarov' and a whole heck of a lot of the Tsar Wars material...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 07 December, 2017, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: karlos on 06 December, 2017, 11:50:56 AM
As if you cats need reminding, Nikolai Dante vol. 1 is out today.

(No idea if my local Smiths have had some sort of tip-off, but there were markedly more copies of this than any other Ult. Coll. volume to date).

Wow missed this. Gotta track this one down. I'm so excited to have Dante complete in hardcover!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 08 December, 2017, 12:40:45 PM
It's another glorious volume, and since my incomplete Dante TPB shelf is currently made up of all sorts of oddball collections (big skinny Hamlyn, thick purple DC/Rebellion, shiny repackaged Rebellion etc.) it feels great to get such a long unbrokn run of the strip under one very pretty hardcover.  The amazing revelation here for me is that all these stories came out in one year.  :o

Hard to imagine what that would be like were it to happen nowadays.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 December, 2017, 01:19:11 PM
Having not read Dante yet, which version did we get? Is it the original Rebellion take, or the US-oriented 'Too Cool to Kill' version, which removed a ton of the captions?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jamie1000013 on 09 December, 2017, 03:02:15 PM
Kingdom was awesome, beautiful artwork and great story. The unique dialogue is also really thought out and gets stuck in your head. This and Shakara are awesome, after the 9th delivery gift I may cancel and then pick up issues I want though. I can't take reading any more Slaine, Savage. or others I am not too keen on.

I wish Rogue Trooper volume came out close to when the new game came out would of added to it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 December, 2017, 10:01:03 AM
I just read Kreeler last night. If you're new to these strips and haven't delved in yet, avoid  the intro and text article  alike, unless you want spoilers up the wazoo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 10 December, 2017, 11:29:00 AM
I must say I found Strontium Dog Vol.1 to be a bit of a slog. It got a bit better half way through once the art quality improved - not sure whether that was due to reproduction issues or production values at the time. But it still feels pretty juvenile. Without the benefit of nostalgia I think I'm going to struggle with the early volumes of some of the classics.

Dante, on the other hand, is ace.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 December, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 10 December, 2017, 11:29:00 AM
I must say I found Strontium Dog Vol.1 to be a bit of a slog. It got a bit better half way through once the art quality improved - not sure whether that was due to reproduction issues or production values at the time. But it still feels pretty juvenile.

Aye, Galaxy Killers and Journey to Hell are really not the best introduction to the characters and set-up. Such an odd way to introduce them to 2000AD readers. It does get loads better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 December, 2017, 12:23:35 PM
They are the first two Stront stories in the merged 2000ad and Starlord.  It is fair to say that they are not the best example of the strip's strengths.  That generally came with the Johnny Alpha origin story and from there on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 December, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
In particular, Portrait of a Mutant through Rage is, for me, one of the strongest runs of any character in 2000 AD's history.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 10 December, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
I guess the early stories of any character that's had the longevity of Alpha or Dredd read a bit oddly in the light of more recent developments, but I think they had to take place to become the characters we know and love today. Reading early Dredd now feels a bit odd, but with that and SD, the creators were finding their way and working out what did and didn't work.

For me, the first SD volume has a fun vibrancy to it, particularly the humour with the Gronk. Undoubtedly some of this is nostalgia, but I'd be interested to know if this is a starting point on discovering 2000AD for anyone, and what their thoughts are.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 December, 2017, 03:17:50 PM
I think you've hit the nail on the head in some respects.  For those of us who read Stront in Starlord, then followed over to Tooth, it's hard not to read those stories with a sense of recollection.  It's interesting that some of the comments about Ezquerra's art at this time have compared it poorly.  Personally I always thought that it was some of his strongest and that the more recent stuff lacks something. 

Not completely surprising considering the gentleman's age.  I suppose as well, it was written for a different audience.  Today's readership has a maturity / sophistication that wasn't expected back then.  That does come through at times with the narrative but perhaps for some of us, nostalgia makes us a little more forgiving.  Pre Tooth it had a bit of a Wild West feel to it at times.  Post Portrait it had a harder political edge to it, laced with black humour.  Galaxy Killers and Journey to Hell seem to be very much trying to find the right voice for the prog, perhaps that is why they seem a bit ''off key".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 10 December, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
A look at any of Carlos' commissions and I would say it's got little to do with age, and more with how much he gets paid on strip work.

You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 11 December, 2017, 02:37:17 PM
QuoteIf you're new to these strips and haven't delved in yet, avoid  the intro and text article  alike, unless you want spoilers up the wazoo.

I've never understood why people put spoilers in introductions without spoiler warnings. Is it because they assume the only people buying it are fans who have already read the stories before? That seems like a pretty silly assumption. Or is it because they aren't familiar with the story and don't read comics themselves, and so they assume that any story in a comic must be so poorly written that it can't possibly have any interesting moments or unpredictable plot twists so there's nothing to spoil? In which case why are they working in that field?

I used to have a Titan Books collection of "The Complete Judge Child Quest" which had an intro that gave away the twist ending [spoiler]that Dredd leaves the child behind on Xanadu[/spoiler]. Fortunately I had already read the story before, but I was still furious on behalf of all the other purchasers of that volume who would not have read it before and who would now never experience the shock of that great ending.

Basically, never, ever, ever, read any kind of introduction to a graphic novel unless and until you've read the whole story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 December, 2017, 02:46:12 PM
It was particularly problematic in the Dredd partwork. "As you'll see in a book you don't have yet, and which is set chronologically before this one, X happens. And in the next book, which you'll get in a year, Y is how it all ends up." Very odd. And, yeah, it does seem written under the assumption you already know. (The Strontium Dog intro does basically say SPOILER ALERT, you'd have to be the world's slowest reader to then not get to the bit where it reveals [spoiler]Alpha gets skewered in The Final Solution[/spoiler].)

Anyway, to reiterate, if you're reading this thread and new to the 2000 AD strips, best to avoid the text bits in the partworks until each series is done.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 December, 2017, 07:51:34 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 08 December, 2017, 12:40:45 PM
It's another glorious volume...it feels great to get such a long unbrokn run of the strip under one very pretty hardcover. 

Arh man my first adventure into the land of these Hachette collections arrived today with the first Dante volume... and wow if I don't do trades (normally) I'd be back for more of these.

I've made an exception for Dante and the idea that in only 2 1/2 years we'll have a a complete set of the series like this warms the cockles of an old mans heart. Okay the spine will look weird but christ I'm getting over that as I don't image this would exist in any other way.

Such a happy bunny today.

EDIT to say:  Smells bloody great too!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 12 December, 2017, 09:26:07 AM
Colin, I might well be wrong here but if all the Dante volumes are going to be consecutive once the series is done, then the spine will be a small chunk of Boo Cook, not lots of oddly disparate slices.

Or that's how I interpret the release, anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 12 December, 2017, 09:51:31 AM
^^^^
Correct, Dante will be the last nine volumes, 72-80. Sadly Dante isn't on that bit of the spine art!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 12 December, 2017, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 11 December, 2017, 07:51:34 PM
EDIT to say:  Smells bloody great too!

Smells like Top Thrills alright.

I've cherry-picked the Dredd collection, but usually for short runs of connected issues (e.g. Armitage, Tour of Duty-Day of Chaos) and the combined spines result in nice little snapshots of the whole, not at all unpleasant - with 9 volumes of Dante, there should be enough visual coherence to even please the eye of a librarian.

I still harbour a desire to letraset a single word description onto the the spine of each volume (e.g. 'Duty 1'), and may yet...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: gurnard on 12 December, 2017, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 12 December, 2017, 09:51:31 AM
^^^^
Correct, Dante will be the last nine volumes, 72-80. Sadly Dante isn't on that bit of the spine art!

It will be nice if Dante is consecutive, but I am confused. The first volume has just been released, as issue 8. Or does it mean I will have to wait until 72-80 to get the rest of them?

If we know when they are coming is there a list of the complete set somewhere?  If so anyone got a link?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 12 December, 2017, 02:15:57 PM
Issue numbers and volume numbers are not the same.

This should help!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: gurnard on 13 December, 2017, 02:03:19 PM
Fantastic thanks for the info.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 December, 2017, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 10 December, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
For me, the first SD volume has a fun vibrancy to it, particularly the humour with the Gronk. Undoubtedly some of this is nostalgia, but I'd be interested to know if this is a starting point on discovering 2000AD for anyone, and what their thoughts are.

This series is pretty much my intro to 2000AD, beyond reading a few odd bits from a band mates copies of the prog back in the 90s.  Have to say I found vol1 of Stront a bit of a slog, it felt very much of it's time and aimed at a younger audience.  I can understand this has nostalgia value for those who read it "back in the day" but that's a little before my time (Galaxy Killers and Journey to Hell were published before I was born) and reading it for the first time now it feels dated.  Have to say I'm kinda glad we're not getting the even earlier Starlord stuff as well if this vol is an indication of where the strip was back there.

Leading with Kreeler Conspiracy as the first issue of Stront was a good plan on Hachette's part (even if it did lead to a spoiler filled intro).  If Vol1 had been the first issue of Stront we'd received it wouldn't have persuaded me I needed to keep my sub to read the rest.

Dante on the other hand was superb, can't wait to see where that's going in future vols.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 December, 2017, 09:52:17 AM
Stront improves hugely very quickly. Vol 2 is almost a better intro to the strip than Vol 1, really - if it wasn't for the sole continuity-troubling appearance of the Weerd Brothers I'd have no hesitation about recomnending new readers ignore the numbering and dive right in with 2 before going on to 1. I think once you've read Johnny's origin's in Portrait of a Mutant, not to mention read the classic likes of Gronk Affair, Kid Knee Caper and Moses Incident - plus personal fave The Bad Boys Bust - you're going to be very forgiving and patient of the minor quality blip that is the atypical Galaxy Killers and meandering Journey into Hell (it's only as an intro to the characters and set-up that they clang a bit) and then the likes of Schiklegruber Grab is along not long afterward to get things right back on track.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 December, 2017, 10:23:15 AM
Some conflicting information on upcoming books, I had it direct from FB that Zombo will be Issue 17, Volume 55. That book is therefore out 11/04/2018. We also have been told Slaine returns with the following issue 18, on April 25th.

However, when fellow FB enquirer ‎Dan Howard asked about Skizz as well as the Hewligans's Haircut book he was told:
QuoteVol 45 for Skizz/DR & Quinch (no issue number given but say April 2018 release) and Vol 54 for Hewligan's Haircut (May 2018 release).

I therefore earmarked Skizz for 17, but clearly that isn't right. Looks like 2018 will continue with some corkers  though!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 December, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
With that info we can get a pretty good picture of the final shelf order of the complete set:

01-03    Judge Dredd
04-13    Strontium Dog
14-18    ? [5 vols]
19-22    Nemesis the Warlock
23-28    ABC Warriors
29-41    Sláine
42-44    ? [3 vols]
45         Skizz/DR & Quinch
46         The Ballad of Halo Jones
47-51    Rogue Trooper
52-53    Bad Company
54         Hewligan's Haircut
55         Zombo
56         ? [1 vol]
57-58    Shakara: The Avenger
59         ? [1 vol]
60-61    Kingdom
62-71    ? [10 vols]
72-80    Nikolai Dante

56 + 59 are clearly going to be either Ampney, Durham, Meltdown or Stickleback.  Also seems likely one of Robo-hunter or Sinister Dexter will be 42-44 given those are both 3 book runs, although I guess this could be one of the remaining single vols and a pair (Ace Trucking Co, Caballistics Inc, Tharg's Future Shocks).  Invasion has to be either somewhere in the 14-18 gap or in the 62-71 gap, placing that would probably give us a better guess at the remainder (anyone got any info on that one?).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 December, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
Durham would make most sense as vol.14, no?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 December, 2017, 12:56:37 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 14 December, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
Durham would make most sense as vol.14, no?

Seems likely - which leaves a nice Invasion sized gap there.  Although that could equally be the remaining single vol and Robo or SinDex, or it could be 2 of Ace Trucking Co, Caballistics Inc and Tharg's Future Shocks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 December, 2017, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 December, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
Invasion has to be either somewhere in the 14-18 gap or in the 62-71 gap, placing that would probably give us a better guess at the remainder (anyone got any info on that one?).
I asked and was answered:
QuoteWe can let you now that Invasion is currently planned to be Issue 60, Volume 62 and Savage is currently planned to be Issue 75, Volume 63.
I was trying to find where we got the idea Savage would be four books - I can only find the FB page previously saying that it would be included. But it can only be three at the most due to the next book on the list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 December, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 December, 2017, 01:41:50 PM
But it can only be three at the most due to the next book on the list.

Do we know what vol 65 will be?

Also if Invasion/Savage isn't 4 books then we've got at least 1 mystery title I believe as that would leave us short of the 80.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 December, 2017, 03:00:13 PM
Quote from: sintec on 15 December, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
Do we know what vol 65 will be?
Well, it's one of two: (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1850588905269433?comment_id=1850857028575954&reply_comment_id=1852366398425017&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D)
Quote
Volume-wise, Stickleback is Volume 65 and Ampney Crucis Investigates is Volume 65.

Hope this helps!
(not really lol)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 December, 2017, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 December, 2017, 03:00:13 PM

Volume-wise, Stickleback is Volume 65 and Ampney Crucis Investigates is Volume 65.

Hope this helps!
(not really lol)

I'd assume they mean 65 and 66.  Which would place Durham and Meltdown as 56 and 59 as those are the only unaccounted for single vols (although if Invasion/Savage is only 3 books we're short one book I believe which messes with that logic somewhat).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 December, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
You can now order Robo-Hunter vol1 (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/robo-hunter-volume-1) & Dante 2  (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/nikolai-dante-volume-2)from Hachette:

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/0c6fa677-ea70-47f0-adb8-ebd6216dd6e0.jpg)(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/f73964c2-298e-413e-a508-7619d034e5d5.jpg)
QuoteRobo-Hunter: Volume 1
Issue 11
Released: 17/01/2018

Sam Slade is a Robo-Hunter – a 22nd Century Private Detective specialising in tracking down defective droids, missing meks and unruly androids. Coupled with his trusty robometer Cutie and blaster in hand, he's the man to hire when you've got a robot problem. But when he's tasked with investigating what's become of the colonists on the planet Verdus, he may have finally bitten off more than he can chew..
QuoteNikolai Dante: Volume 2
Issue 12
Released: 31/01/2018

Nikolai Dante, bastard son of Dmitri Romanov, is now fully immersed in the dynasty that he's discovered he's a part of. But this is a family like no other, and as Nikolai gets to know his half-siblings he learns just how dangerous they are. With war looming, it's time for Dante to pick his alliances carefully...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 December, 2017, 09:48:12 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 December, 2017, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 December, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
Invasion has to be either somewhere in the 14-18 gap or in the 62-71 gap, placing that would probably give us a better guess at the remainder (anyone got any info on that one?).
I asked and was answered:
QuoteWe can let you now that Invasion is currently planned to be Issue 60, Volume 62 and Savage is currently planned to be Issue 75, Volume 63.
I was trying to find where we got the idea Savage would be four books - I can only find the FB page previously saying that it would be included. But it can only be three at the most due to the next book on the list.

Update on this: only one Savage book!

This means there are two empty slots in the original 80 once again. What has been missed so far?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JeffreyMT on 18 December, 2017, 11:41:56 AM
Where is Rogue Trooper!!?
Seems strange to be on second Dante/SD/Nemesis books before a volume of Rogue?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 December, 2017, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: JeffreyMT on 18 December, 2017, 11:41:56 AM
Where is Rogue Trooper!!?
Seems strange to be on second Dante/SD/Nemesis books before a volume of Rogue?
Rogue Vol 1 is issue 14 (28/02/2018), after the first book of ABC Warriors.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 18 December, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Did anyone else see SMS's posts on FB re: getting ahold of his original ABC Warriors: Black Hole pages so they can be cleaned up for the Ult. Collection?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2017, 01:14:17 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 18 December, 2017, 09:48:12 AMThis means there are two empty slots in the original 80 once again. What has been missed so far?
Potentially enables a full run of Stickleback and Zombo. Or perhaps a third Kingdom. Or, I guess, one of the other series is getting a book more than we thought (ABC Warriors; Bad Company; or – shudder – Sláine).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 December, 2017, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: karlos on 18 December, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Did anyone else see SMS's posts on FB re: getting ahold of his original ABC Warriors: Black Hole pages so they can be cleaned up for the Ult. Collection?
Woah! I have the three Mek Files books to date & did think reading those that his pages could have looked better. Got a link?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 18 December, 2017, 03:20:59 PM

Woah! I have the three Mek Files books to date & did think reading those that his pages could have looked better. Got a link?
[/quote]

Sorry, Tomwe - it was a FB post that popped up (not sure how I got it, TBH) with a sample of just how bad the Mek Files repro of his art was, compared to the originals.

I understand that SMS got "some" of his original art back.  Hopefully, he got it all back!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 December, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
Quote from: karlos on 18 December, 2017, 03:20:59 PM
Sorry, Tomwe - it was a FB post that popped up (not sure how I got it, TBH) with a sample of just how bad the Mek Files repro of his art was, compared to the originals.
I understand that SMS got "some" of his original art back.  Hopefully, he got it all back!
Here's one (https://www.facebook.com/SmuzzArtistSMS/posts/453918708337052)
QuoteMore shennanigans with the Remastering of the ABC Warriors 'Black Hole' reprint.
'Cause I'm now re-scanning printed matter rather than original art,there's more fiddling with Contrast and avoiding the images being a bit 'blurry' (weirdly, although 'flatter' than the original art, the printed matter tends to be less sharp).
So - some re-darkening and re-lighting of elements is required...
And,. that means fighting the urge to alter stuff ...
In this page, I've completely given in ...
The cental panel always had this rather curious space which featured an ergonomic chair... Whilst I was drawing this, I LIKED the ergonomic chair and just left it there... But it must be confessed, this does leave the reader thinking "Is this an IKEA catalogue?'... and that is surely "Not the 2000AD Way".
So, in the Remastered page, that chair is obscured by another item which - hopefully - has a little more meaning to the Reader.
Enjoy.

(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24131281_453916801670576_4666353170458325631_n.jpg?oh=1311f71cb931710d282d460b4d79cebe&oe=5A8907FC)(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24176884_453916825003907_8773242784444610452_n.jpg?oh=5dc0191896601b9c25652fe53c914416&oe=5AD6DF04)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 December, 2017, 05:01:41 PM
Well if that isn't a complete turnup for the books, and a definite reason to 'double dip' on ABC Warriors for the Ultimate Collection.

I suggest Squaxx follow my link above and have a bit of a read on Smuzz's page.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 December, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
One book for Savage, so what is going to be in it as I already have the trades of Invasion, the Guvnor and Taking Liberties.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 18 December, 2017, 11:50:45 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 18 December, 2017, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: JeffreyMT on 18 December, 2017, 11:41:56 AM
Where is Rogue Trooper!!?
Seems strange to be on second Dante/SD/Nemesis books before a volume of Rogue?
Rogue Vol 1 is issue 14 (28/02/2018), after the first book of ABC Warriors.

Can someone update the list of releases.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
Slightly larger than usual package today, with 'fragile' written across it:

Future Shock shiny disc.

#9: Nemesis 2 (vol 20): Gothic Empire; Ego Trip; Vengeance of Thoth; Torquemurder.

The repro here is OK. Some slightly dark pages in places, and quite a few that are overly light, with lost details.

#10: Judge Dredd 2 (vol 2): essentially the Ezquerra leftovers volume – Fungus (colour spreads):The Prankster; The Starborn Thing; Condo; Kirby's Demon; The Amazing Ant-Man; Young Giant; an oddly out of context Return of the King; Christmas with Attitude; The Time Machine; Behold the Beast; Beat the Devil.

I can't imagine too many people will be disappointed by that selection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 December, 2017, 10:28:33 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
Slightly larger than usual package today, with 'fragile' written across it:

Glad to hear the package is on its way!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 19 December, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Well found, Tomwe!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 December, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2017, 10:04:20 AMan oddly out of context Return of the King;

What would I need to get the context for that story?  Is it just the Necropolis vol from the mega collection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 December, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
#9: Nemesis 2 (vol 20): Gothic Empire; Ego Trip; Vengeance of Thoth.

Oh. Is that all?  :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Quote from: sintec on 19 December, 2017, 11:14:29 AMWhat would I need to get the context for that story?  Is it just the Necropolis vol from the mega collection?
Yes. It's essentially an epilogue.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 19 December, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
#9: Nemesis 2 (vol 20): Gothic Empire; Ego Trip; Vengeance of Thoth.
Oh. Is that all?  :(
I've since edited. This book is essentially books 4–6.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 December, 2017, 01:03:29 PM
The first pair of books to line up next to each other on the shelf and we have a bit of duplication, sadly.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRaUSGaXUAAMc5T.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 19 December, 2017, 01:06:10 PM
^^^

Gah that sucks. My (signed) copy of Vol.11 is slightly misprinted too - the spine image is slightly too far to the right leaving a black line running down the left hand side.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 December, 2017, 04:23:39 PM
Anyone else care to photograph their 19 & 20 to compare to the ones I've posted above?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 19 December, 2017, 04:43:16 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 19 December, 2017, 04:23:39 PM
Anyone else care to photograph their 19 & 20 to compare to the ones I've posted above?

Not got my #20 yet but I can tell you  that my copy of #19 is showing a hell of a lot less on the right hand side of the spine than yours.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 December, 2017, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 19 December, 2017, 04:23:39 PM
Anyone else care to photograph their 19 & 20 to compare to the ones I've posted above?

I was also going to commend the FB page for proactively contacting me about the issues after Ben Myring (Arkady is that you) shared my photo and asked about it, but now they have removed the link to THIS POST  (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1911607112500945)from the comments section.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 December, 2017, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 19 December, 2017, 04:43:16 PM
Not got my #20 yet but I can tell you  that my copy of #19 is showing a hell of a lot less on the right hand side of the spine than yours.

Well that is encouraging for the majority of collectors then. Let me know!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 19 December, 2017, 05:06:56 PM
Will do.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2017, 05:11:16 PM
Mine's almost identical to the photo earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 19 December, 2017, 06:36:11 PM
Mine is also identical to that photo
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 19 December, 2017, 06:47:13 PM
Mine is the same as the picture above, also no DVD, although I already have the blue ray but is a bit annoying as I'm paying for the premium sub especially after having to chase them up for the wallet
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 December, 2017, 08:36:28 AM
This kind of thing is why I wish they'd gone for more standard spines that were usable. Printing cock-ups appear a bit too regularly in these series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 20 December, 2017, 12:02:25 PM
Same on my, shop-bought editions too. That's a shame, that is. I would say that when the spine image is such an important part of the package, it's vital to get it right. Otherwise, why bother?
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 20 December, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
As a newcomer to Dante I was looking forward to finding out what all the fuss was about. I wasn't disappointed. Swashbuckling sci-fi, great humour, intrigue....all tremendous fun. I'm a big fan of Dredd so not sure Nikolai can usurp his top spot for me, but we'll see. Can't wait for more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 December, 2017, 01:02:07 PM
Official line on the spine art:

QuoteDue to the nature of the printing process, there may sometimes be very minor differences on the height of the spine between books.
However, these differences are very minimal and should not affect the overall look of your collection. If you are unsatisfied with your issue you can of course return it for a replacement, but due to the nature of the printing process your replacement may well have the same small discrepancy within the tolerance of the printer's production process.

Key mistake here seems to be the word 'height'. My photo has a slightly shorter vol4 but I was clear which books I was complaining about.

Can't really be bothered to pursue any further.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 December, 2017, 01:52:32 PM
wierdly my spines fine is it just something that affects only some?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 December, 2017, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 December, 2017, 01:52:32 PM
wierdly my spines fine is it just something that affects only some?
I guess so - Mattofthespurs suggested his were OK too. I think the error is on issue 5 rather than the new book. If anyone could share a photo I can compare which is wrong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 December, 2017, 02:29:27 PM
From a FB DM:

QuoteWe have escalated this issue with our team, they are looking into the print error.

Communication will shortly follow on a remedy for this error
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 20 December, 2017, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 20 December, 2017, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 December, 2017, 01:52:32 PM
wierdly my spines fine is it just something that affects only some?
I guess so - Mattofthespurs suggested his were OK too. I think the error is on issue 5 rather than the new book. If anyone could share a photo I can compare which is wrong.

Mine does look better than the pic that was posted but until I get #20 I can't be sure for certain.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 December, 2017, 03:06:15 PM
The mod on the FB page has continued to be as helpful as possible, despite the message returned to them by Hachette I posted earlier.

This hasty illustration using their own images shows it's #5 that's the problem and there are some who've gotten books without the error so I'm asking for a new copy.

(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/25564528_10154905294801513_165342624_n.jpg?oh=b5953c73831ecbb7f2d52c3ff63d9068&oe=5A3CA8D5)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 20 December, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Just seen in Matt Smiths' intro to Nemesis vol. 2 that he states ABC Warriors The Black Hole is in volumes #23 and #24.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 December, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: karlos on 20 December, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Just seen in Matt Smiths' intro to Nemesis vol. 2 that he states ABC Warriors The Black Hole is in volumes #23 and #24.
Yeah I read that too- makes sense as Mek Files 1&2 are off balance as far page length goes. Hope the second  ABC Warriors Book in the collection isn't too far off then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 December, 2017, 10:12:17 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 21 December, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: karlos on 20 December, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Just seen in Matt Smiths' intro to Nemesis vol. 2 that he states ABC Warriors The Black Hole is in volumes #23 and #24.
Yeah I read that too- makes sense as Mek Files 1&2 are off balance as far page length goes. Hope the second  ABC Warriors Book in the collection isn't too far off then.

That's dissapointing - I'd rather have had Meknificent Seven and Black Hole in seperate books. Particularly after the Mek Files, all I want is a matching hardback version of the Millsverse where I don't have to keep skipping backwards and forwards between volumes as I read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 21 December, 2017, 10:29:18 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 December, 2017, 10:12:17 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 21 December, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: karlos on 20 December, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Just seen in Matt Smiths' intro to Nemesis vol. 2 that he states ABC Warriors The Black Hole is in volumes #23 and #24.
Yeah I read that too- makes sense as Mek Files 1&2 are off balance as far page length goes. Hope the second  ABC Warriors Book in the collection isn't too far off then.

That's dissapointing - I'd rather have had Meknificent Seven and Black Hole in seperate books. Particularly after the Mek Files, all I want is a matching hardback version of the Millsverse where I don't have to keep skipping backwards and forwards between volumes as I read.

Agreed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 December, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Hard to see how this could have been avoided, given the page count requirements. Either you lose a big chunk of ABC Warriors, or you have to run a load of content out of order (which is something people complained about with Dredd). Looking at the pre-reboot run, you have about 450 pages of strip, which fits within the 200–250-page partwork demands. (At least for this series – some of the Marvel books are very skinny.)

So it seems we'll have Mek 7 and the bulk of Black Hole in the first book, and then the remainder of Black Hole and the Walker-illustrated Khaos/Hellbringer stuff in the second one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 December, 2017, 09:15:12 PM
Bit of an observation here.  I have the Nemesis Case Files size books.  I was rereading the Gothic Empire but in the new book, and is it a reproduction issue, or is it just me?  The hardback was the first time I noticed that Frankensteins nurse had a hunchback.

Silly thing to notice I know but....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 21 December, 2017, 09:40:28 PM
No, she always had a hunchback.   :-\
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 December, 2017, 05:08:19 PM
Are the Nemesis title pages black-and-white in everyone else's books? If there's one thing I hate it's a format change mid-series! The colour worked really nicely to break up long runs of black-and-white strips.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2017, 05:09:23 PM
Yep: B+W.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 26 December, 2017, 07:55:13 PM
Okay, well this week I had got my Nemesis volume 2 as mentioned, and finally got round to reading Nikolai Dante.  I've never read a single panel of this before and found it a little...mixed to be honest.  The character seems interesting enough except for his constant use of the word "Bosjomei" (is that right?). 

I've heard that it does get better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 27 December, 2017, 04:57:44 PM
Enjoyed Nemesis volume 2, including reading the history - I knew Book 4 was planned for much earlier, but hadn't realised Kevin O'Neill had completed the art years before also, hence the excellent decision to switch to Bryan Talbot, whose art is stunning throughout.

Presume the next volume will collect Torquemada the God and Books 7-9, with the fourth Book 10 and all the other bits and bobs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 27 December, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
I was running early on my way to work so decided to pop into W H Smiths in Gravesend, hoping to find the new Batman volume. Found it, I did.... along with the new Ultimate 2000 Nemesis issue!

I didn't initially plan on getting that issue, but since it was:

A) there
and
B) seems to contain a whole bunch of stuff not included that big special edition volume I own*

I couldn't resist. Result!

Oh, and I never read the prog during the Nemesis days, so this stuff is a first time for me. I have read the other (rather nice) volume mentioned above, but there seems quite a lot left out. Glad to see this seems to cover the crossover with ABC Warriors.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 31 December, 2017, 03:00:53 PM
So what is next, wouldn't mind something new rather than something that has already been started. Nothing against any of the other strips.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 31 December, 2017, 03:45:41 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 31 December, 2017, 03:00:53 PM
So what is next, wouldn't mind something new rather than something that has already been started. Nothing against any of the other strips.

Next few issues line up as follows:

Issue 10, volume 2: Judge Dredd: Return Of The King, containing Fungus, The Prankster, The Starborn Thing, Condo, Kirby's Demon, The Amazing Ant-Man, Young Giant, Return of the King, Christmas with Attitude, The Time Machine, Behold the Beast; Beat the Devil.

Issue 11, volume unknown: Robo-Hunter Volume 1

Issue 12, volume 73: Nikolai Dante Volume 2

Issue 13, volume 23: ABC Warriors Volume 1

Issue 14, volume 47: Rogue Trooper Volume 1
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 03 January, 2018, 09:24:25 AM
Apparently the issue with the dodgy spine us being reprinted
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: jannerboyuk on 03 January, 2018, 09:26:36 AM
🚨 CUSTOMER ANNOUNCEMENT 🚨

It has been brought to our attention that there is an issue with the spine artwork on issue 9 (volume 20) of 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection. Firstly we would like to apologise for this mistake, we realise it is disappointing and would like to thank the fans who brought it to our attention. We are currently conducting a full reprint of this issue, and will ensure that all subscribers, and all customers who buy 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection in shops, will receive a fully corrected issue 9, at no extra cost, to ensure their collection is complete and correct.

We will provide more details of when to expect this corrected issue in the coming month, so please keep an eye on the page for further updates.

Please also rest assured that the contents of issue 9 are correct, so in the meantime before your corrected copy arrives, you can still enjoy the content inside of your issue.

Again we'd like to apologise for this mistake, and thank you for your understanding and patience.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 03 January, 2018, 09:34:05 AM
Interesting, as I thought I'd read here that it was actually vol.19 that was the problem. Good of them to do it - must be an expensive mistake.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 January, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
I suppose with the spine, they've not really got any choice. It's one thing to have the wrong end papers, or erroneous text on the back of a book (which has happened twice in the Dredd run; dear all designers, do NOT copy/paste from previous documents – start from blank boilerplates!), but when a selling feature is spine art, you cannot cock it up.

That said, I'd have more happily had no spine art for these, and the titles on the spines. Perhaps that would have resulted in more people cherry picking. Hard to tell. Actually, on that, is there anyone here would would NOT have subscribed/bought every issue if it wasn't for the spine art?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 January, 2018, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 03 January, 2018, 09:34:05 AM
Interesting, as I thought I'd read here that it was actually vol.19 that was the problem. Good of them to do it - must be an expensive mistake.
Yes- here's my comparison image again. See issue 5 is different on my shelf to that posted on the FB page
I have written a comment about this.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/26195344_10154935766586513_7435047082960635177_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=1e8889a6b48075ceeb3a1ebd91f3f1b4&oe=5ABE867C)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 January, 2018, 11:14:06 AM
For those looking to reminisce on some Baikie artwork, FB have confirmed the SKIZZ book will be vol 45, issue 29 coming 26th September 2018, so quite a wait.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 03 January, 2018, 11:22:01 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 January, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
I suppose with the spine, they've not really got any choice. It's one thing to have the wrong end papers, or erroneous text on the back of a book (which has happened twice in the Dredd run; dear all designers, do NOT copy/paste from previous documents – start from blank boilerplates!), but when a selling feature is spine art, you cannot cock it up.

That said, I'd have more happily had no spine art for these, and the titles on the spines. Perhaps that would have resulted in more people cherry picking. Hard to tell. Actually, on that, is there anyone here would would NOT have subscribed/bought every issue if it wasn't for the spine art?

Me. The spine art is a big part of the appeal for me. Without it I might well have cherry-picked particular issues or runs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 03 January, 2018, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 03 January, 2018, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 03 January, 2018, 09:34:05 AM
Interesting, as I thought I'd read here that it was actually vol.19 that was the problem. Good of them to do it - must be an expensive mistake.
Yes- here's my comparison image again. See issue 5 is different on my shelf to that posted on the FB page
I have written a comment about this.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/26195344_10154935766586513_7435047082960635177_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=1e8889a6b48075ceeb3a1ebd91f3f1b4&oe=5ABE867C)

Amazing. Hopefully they don't reprint the wrong issue! Given the apparent lack of quality checks it doesn't seem out of the question.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 03 January, 2018, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 January, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
I suppose with the spine, they've not really got any choice. It's one thing to have the wrong end papers, or erroneous text on the back of a book (which has happened twice in the Dredd run; dear all designers, do NOT copy/paste from previous documents – start from blank boilerplates!), but when a selling feature is spine art, you cannot cock it up.

That said, I'd have more happily had no spine art for these, and the titles on the spines. Perhaps that would have resulted in more people cherry picking. Hard to tell. Actually, on that, is there anyone here would would NOT have subscribed/bought every issue if it wasn't for the spine art?

I couldn't care less about the spine art - it's all about the content for me. I'd prefer the titles to be on the spines as it's easier to pick what you want to read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 03 January, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
The spine art is a bonus, but the content's the thing for me. If it had been titles on the spines I could happily have skipped a few issues of the Dredd collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 03 January, 2018, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 03 January, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
The spine art is a bonus, but the content's the thing for me. If it had been titles on the spines I could happily have skipped a few issues of the Dredd collection.

So... you buy books you don't care about because of the spine, while not caring about the spine...?  :crazy:

I don't only care little about the spine, but find it a ruthless get-the-completists marketing ploy. With the minor annoyance - 'cos who cares that much really? - that they've persevered with leaving book titles off the spine.

That's better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 03 January, 2018, 05:08:48 PM
Uh oh! I fear the launch of the Batman and Hornby collections, may have knocked the 2000ad Collection off the news stands. Checked two places that usually have it and nothing!

Hoping it's just a post Xmas/New Year delay!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 January, 2018, 05:19:42 PM
That Batman collection would be very tempting were I not already into the 2000AD, Dredd and TF Partworks. Maybe should join in once the 10 issue extension is done.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 03 January, 2018, 05:30:25 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 03 January, 2018, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 03 January, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
The spine art is a bonus, but the content's the thing for me. If it had been titles on the spines I could happily have skipped a few issues of the Dredd collection.

So... you buy books you don't care about because of the spine, while not caring about the spine...?  :crazy:

I don't only care little about the spine, but find it a ruthless get-the-completists marketing ploy. With the minor annoyance - 'cos who cares that much really? - that they've persevered with leaving book titles off the spine.

That's better.

Ha ha yes. I guess I'm a completist because I want an uninterrupted spine image, so have fallen for that marketing ploy, and have volumes like Red Razors and The World at Law sitting on the shelf that I'm unlikely to read again. I guess the 2000AD collection will have a more consistent quality because of its collection of all of some series and the best of others.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: EDazzling on 03 January, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
For the Mega-Collection, I home-made little dustjackets from sheets of A4 that are enough to cover the spine, printing out labels with the volume contents on. More functional than trying to remember which volume number means what, and means I'm not going to get 30-something volumes I don't want just to finish the spine image. Because I would do that. That is absolutely something I would do.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 January, 2018, 08:39:40 PM
You know it makes sense.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Dymo_embosser.jpg/220px-Dymo_embosser.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 January, 2018, 01:08:42 PM
On the issue of which volume is misprinted, the FB mods have replied with the following: (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1919481325046857?comment_id=1919518275043162&reply_comment_id=1920037428324580&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D)
QuoteWe can confirm that volume 19 is correct, it's just the angle on the website.
Hope this helps!
To which I said we will know shortly which is wrong as volume 21 is not far away.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 04 January, 2018, 04:47:16 PM
I have to admit that I'm not bothered by the spine too much, and mine looks fine to be honest.
I imagine that they cost of reprinting will be taken by the printers and not Hachette, unless they own the printers but I thin that's unlikely.
Never had a problem with Eaglemoss it has to be said, apart from issues going missing, probably due to some light fingered employee of the Royal Mail, but issues that have gone missing have been quickly replaced and sent via Yodel or another courier. And their customer service is based in the UK which makes talking to them a lot less painful.
Hachette are decent but Eaglemoss are far superior. Although they are both better than De Agostini.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 January, 2018, 01:09:51 PM
Return of the King is a great Dredd 101 volume, and the title story didn't stick out as much as I thought it might, it just made me want to go back and read Necropolis again, which was perhaps the idea. Top stuff.

It's already been confirmed that Dark Justice will be one of the other 2 Dredd volumes, any thoughts on the other?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 06 January, 2018, 02:53:38 PM
Which stories are in that Ezquerra volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 06 January, 2018, 03:09:58 PM
Never mind; found it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 06 January, 2018, 03:16:41 PM
Quote from: Richard on 06 January, 2018, 03:09:58 PM
Never mind; found it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection

Nice line-up, that! Very tempting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 06 January, 2018, 03:53:10 PM
Oh that page is useful. I can get the release date of the Dante issues from that. Damn I'm excited about the Dante releases and the rest looks lovely for those who want it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 January, 2018, 06:47:59 PM
So I'm guessing by that list on Wiki regarding Savage/Invasion where it says one book for each,  the entirety of Invasion will be in one book (maybe to pad it out the Savage Disaster story pre Volgan War?), and Savage will encompass the Guvnor and Taking Liberties.  Shame in a way as I have all that but hardback reprints will be decent.  The only thing I know is that there were follow up stories to The Guv'nor but maybe it's too new to print right now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 January, 2018, 07:03:11 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 06 January, 2018, 06:47:59 PM
So I'm guessing by that list on Wiki regarding Savage/Invasion where it says one book for each,  the entirety of Invasion will be in one book (maybe to pad it out the Savage Disaster story pre Volgan War?), and Savage will encompass the Guvnor and Taking Liberties.

The complete Invasion is about 256 pages - so no need for padding out...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 07 January, 2018, 09:48:22 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 06 January, 2018, 01:09:51 PM
Return of the King is a great Dredd 101 volume, and the title story didn't stick out as much as I thought it might, it just made me want to go back and read Necropolis again, which was perhaps the idea. Top stuff.

It's already been confirmed that Dark Justice will be one of the other 2 Dredd volumes, any thoughts on the other?

Material from Case Files 1? Would make sense as a volume 1 for this series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 January, 2018, 06:00:38 PM
Read Return of the King and a good chunk of this was stories I'd read before but perhaps only individua frames jogging my memory. Example being the Saman screaming"It's the end of Gemini 2" at the beginning of that story. The fact I didn't outright remember the strips 100% means I really enjoyed them. Return of the King itself I enjoyed even though I knew Dredds rather hilarious twisted logic.

All in all, good stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 07 January, 2018, 09:40:06 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 06 January, 2018, 06:47:59 PM
So I'm guessing by that list on Wiki regarding Savage/Invasion where it says one book for each,  the entirety of Invasion will be in one book (maybe to pad it out the Savage Disaster story pre Volgan War?), and Savage will encompass the Guvnor and Taking Liberties.  Shame in a way as I have all that but hardback reprints will be decent.  The only thing I know is that there were follow up stories to The Guv'nor but maybe it's too new to print right now.

Taking Liberties and The Guv'nor are almost 400 pages between them, so they're not going in one volume. It seems pretty confusing to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 January, 2018, 10:15:56 AM
Quote from: Anthony Garnon on 07 January, 2018, 09:48:22 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 06 January, 2018, 01:09:51 PM
Return of the King is a great Dredd 101 volume, and the title story didn't stick out as much as I thought it might, it just made me want to go back and read Necropolis again, which was perhaps the idea. Top stuff.

It's already been confirmed that Dark Justice will be one of the other 2 Dredd volumes, any thoughts on the other?

Material from Case Files 1? Would make sense as a volume 1 for this series.

I agree with this. For the Dark Justice volume, I'm expecting we will see Dominion from the Meg in there too since it was a sequel, yes? That's still only 120 pages or so. Do you think they will fill it up with Dave Kendall goodness (yuckiness) ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 January, 2018, 10:28:39 AM
Amusing how the Chopper volume takes a knife to the Ennis and (especially) McKenzie yarns.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 January, 2018, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 January, 2018, 10:28:39 AM
Amusing how the Chopper volume takes a knife to the Ennis and (especially) McKenzie yarns.
Indeed, and Molcher's less than complimentary details of them in the back. Wonder if they will shove them back in for the extension somewhere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 January, 2018, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 January, 2018, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 January, 2018, 10:28:39 AM
Amusing how the Chopper volume takes a knife to the Ennis and (especially) McKenzie yarns.
Indeed, and Molcher's less than complimentary details of them in the back. Wonder if they will shove them back in for the extension somewhere.

Shouldn't these be moved over to the Dredd thread?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 10 January, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26196470_1920611158267207_7823336424552870502_n.jpg?oh=2ae9977d5a818fff4cc96c34346c4f03&oe=5AF9F1BE)

Better image now up for issue 11, the first volume of Robo-Hunter.
Spine image says volume 14 so that's volumes 14-16 for Robo-Hunter?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 January, 2018, 01:49:30 PM
Huh, looks like they've definately ditched the colour title pages for B&W material, then. Wonder why?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 January, 2018, 03:06:20 PM
A pity. As for the reason, possibly this: £££.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 January, 2018, 02:55:23 PM
Really loving the Ezquerra Dredd volume. Nice to see how his art developed in this period, and it's a great selection of stories which are often really funny. I thought it would feel like sweepings from the cutting room floor, but instead it's a really strong and a decent entry-level Dredd collection. They should have included a "if you liked this..." flyer for the Mega Collection too, with an introductory discount for Ultimate Collection subscribers. Hell I might have fallen for it myself.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 January, 2018, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 11 January, 2018, 02:55:23 PM
Really loving the Ezquerra Dredd volume.I thought it would feel like sweepings from the cutting room floor, but instead it's a really strong and a decent entry-level Dredd collection.

Yeah I had a similar concern and was pleasantly surprised.  It's a nice little collection.  Hopefully the other 2 Dredd books will manage to maintain the quality seen here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 January, 2018, 09:39:01 AM
A good morning's post today!

(https://i.imgur.com/l9GOeOL.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 January, 2018, 09:40:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/HTpS5DT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8CnPaiD.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 January, 2018, 10:28:06 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 16 January, 2018, 09:39:01 AM
A good morning's post today!

(https://i.imgur.com/l9GOeOL.jpg)

oh wow. That really would have been worth the extra £20. Suitably impressed!

Got my books too, the repro in Robo-Hunter is fantastic and both books put the Transformers collection to shame with their page counts. Zarjaz!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 January, 2018, 12:06:58 PM
Wow, Nem looks great.

Is the first Robo-Hunter volume Verdus and Day of the Droids? Volume must be on the hefty side if so.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2018, 12:27:02 PM
Do books hit the shops at the same time they get posted out? Must grab that 2nd Dante but I had the idea it wasn't due till 31st.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 January, 2018, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 16 January, 2018, 12:06:58 PM
Wow, Nem looks great.

Is the first Robo-Hunter volume Verdus and Day of the Droids? Volume must be on the hefty side if so.

They come to about 240 pages, so yeah, that'd be bang on the money.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 January, 2018, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2018, 12:27:02 PM
Do books hit the shops at the same time they get posted out? Must grab that 2nd Dante but I had the idea it wasn't due till 31st.

Robo-Hunter will be in the shops tomorrow, Dante vol. 2 on 31st.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 January, 2018, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 16 January, 2018, 12:06:58 PM
Wow, Nem looks great.

Is the first Robo-Hunter volume Verdus and Day of the Droids? Volume must be on the hefty side if so.

They come to about 240 pages, so yeah, that'd be bang on the money.

Cool, thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 January, 2018, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 16 January, 2018, 12:06:58 PM
Wow, Nem looks great.

Is the first Robo-Hunter volume Verdus and Day of the Droids? Volume must be on the hefty side if so.

Yup, those are the stories alright, plus seven pages of feature. Looks fantastic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 January, 2018, 10:28:06 AMGot my books too, the repro in Robo-Hunter is fantastic
Bit random in my copy. Some of Verdus is very washed out and faint. It's not Mega Collection bad, but nothing like the Nemesis book. Relatively poor source files, presumably. I was also a bit surprised to hear Football Crazy was being reprinted, until checking on Barney and seeing it's only 30 pages. Man, that dreck clouded by view of the previous Robo-Hunter reprint. Still, with about 400 pages of classic Robo-Hunter left to collect, what will be omitted? (This assuming the strip gets only two volumes and not three, which would have contained everything and the Hogan run, too.)

Quoteand both books put the Transformers collection to shame with their page counts. Zarjaz!
They are chunky. I've not seen the Transformers books, beyond Target: 2006, which I grabbed for two quid, and then immediately decided not to subscribe to because of the appalling repro. It looks like IDW's given up on the strip, too, unless the sixth UK Classics book might finally appear over two years later than originally scheduled.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 January, 2018, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
(This assuming the strip gets only two volumes and not three, which would have contained everything and the Hogan run, too.)
this FB post (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1864124723915851?comment_id=1866367780358212&reply_comment_id=1866716420323348&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D) details Dan Howard asking about this, getting referred to using DMs and then being answered privately that it's three Robo-Hunter books.

I too have found asking via DM will more likely get you the answer you seek.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 10:22:11 AM
Hmm. So that now raises the question of what might fill the extra space, assuming the next two books aren't a bit skinnier.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 January, 2018, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
I was also a bit surprised to hear Football Crazy was being reprinted, until checking on Barney and seeing it's only 30 pages. Man, that dreck clouded by view of the previous Robo-Hunter reprint.

Eh?

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
Still, with about 400 pages of classic Robo-Hunter left to collect, what will be omitted? (This assuming the strip gets only two volumes and not three, which would have contained everything and the Hogan run, too.)

Up to the end of Play it Again, Sam is 221 pages (take that away and a second book would be only 139, so it seems pretty certain that's where the book'll be split). The rest of the classic run is 161 pages. You could bulk that up with all Hogan's stories or the majority of the Samantha Slade stuff (minus the final two stories).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 11:34:00 AM
QuoteEh?
I thought Football Crazy was abysmal last time I read it. A real low-point.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 09:37:39 AMUp to the end of Play it Again, Sam is 221 pages
I was under the impression there were only two Robo-Hunter books, not three. Still, as Hachette has already said the Hogan run will not be included, it'll be interesting to see what will be. (I'd much sooner have those – and in colour – than Samantha Slade.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 17 January, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 11:34:00 AM
QuoteEh?
I thought Football Crazy was abysmal last time I read it. A real low-point.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 09:37:39 AMUp to the end of Play it Again, Sam is 221 pages
I was under the impression there were only two Robo-Hunter books, not three. Still, as Hachette has already said the Hogan run will not be included, it'll be interesting to see what will be. (I'd much sooner have those – and in colour – than Samantha Slade.)

According To Barney, other than Hoagy's First Case, which sounds like it ought to be a hoot, there aren't any annual or special stories from the original run. Maybe it'll be a volume on the slimmer side.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 17 January, 2018, 01:03:50 PM
Could be somewhere to to slip in the stories from the past few years Sci-Fi Specials, et al.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 January, 2018, 01:16:29 PM
I wouldn't even mind a bunch of vaugely droid-themed Gibson Dredds to bulk it up...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 January, 2018, 03:04:45 PM
I've maybe asked before but which Rogue Trooper stuff do we get. I already have the Rebellion reprints from a few years Future of War, Fort Neuro, To the ends of Nu-Earth, Eye of the traitor, Re-Gene and Realpolitik as well as the Cinnibar Extreme Edition.

Same question with ABC Warriors, I only ever read the original run up to Mars.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 17 January, 2018, 04:56:58 PM
No idea but classic Rogue inc Cinnabar at a guess.

I could see them doing War Machine but not the rest of the friday run - all that the other stuff has got going for it is it's in colour.

Tor Cyan's probably more reprintable (not sure if stands alone from Mercy Heights) but it would let them finish off with the Remembrance Day story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 January, 2018, 05:48:11 PM
I did like the 'darker' Rogue stories in the Realpolitik book, it did seem a slightly more mature direction without the 'cosmic Hitman' nonsense that was done for a while.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2018, 06:16:48 PM
My guess would mostly be classic Rogue. My hope is a few bits of classic, the entirety of War Machine, Cinnebar, and some choice cuts of Rennie's run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 17 January, 2018, 06:58:02 PM
As far as ABC goes, there are 6 volumes, so I think that's enough to include all of it, up to and including Return to Ro-Busters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 January, 2018, 06:21:02 PM
Okay I read my Robo Hunter book yesterday, and found it an enjoyable piece of nonsense, in the nicest way. I did feel that Day of the Droids had some small pacing issues, but overall a wonderful piece of nostalgia.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 January, 2018, 09:37:11 AM
QuoteABC Warriors: Volume 1 (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/abc-warriors-volume-1)
Issue 13
Released: 14/02/2018

Former war-droids created to fight the volgans, the atomic, bacterial and chemical chemical warfare-proof A.B.C. Warriors have been recruited to bring peace to the colony world of Mars. Led by Hammerstein, and comprising Mongrol, Deadlock, Blackblood, Joe Pineapples, Happy Shrapnel and 'The Mess', this band of battle-bots must tame the Red Planet, or die trying – spread the word!
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/734a67be-6403-4748-ad86-f9b5b91dbc02.jpg)

My first double-dip is here, but with SMS having provided rescanned artwork for the Black Hole segments its not entirely crazy to be buying!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 January, 2018, 06:25:18 PM
ABC Warriors next?  That's definitely one I'll be looking forward to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 January, 2018, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 19 January, 2018, 09:37:11 AM
My first double-dip is here, but with SMS having provided rescanned artwork for the Black Hole segments its not entirely crazy to be buying!

Oh that sounds interesting, where did you hear about that and are there any further details?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 January, 2018, 10:09:31 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 21 January, 2018, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 19 January, 2018, 09:37:11 AM
My first double-dip is here, but with SMS having provided rescanned artwork for the Black Hole segments its not entirely crazy to be buying!

Oh that sounds interesting, where did you hear about that and are there any further details?
On this very thread. I then went digging and found some more details which I again posted.

here (http://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44203.msg975538#msg975538)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 January, 2018, 07:31:32 AM
Ha! That show my lazy ass not to be lazy. That's cool and makes this volume very tempting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 January, 2018, 05:10:51 PM
How have I missed that there are multiple volumes of 'covers galleries' as part of the collection? Maybe I'm being blind, but I don't see them referred to even as part of the premium subscription. I want them!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUKwNNGW4AAVaiS.jpg:large
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 23 January, 2018, 06:27:01 PM
Not seen the cover galleries anywhere the judge death figure looks like another good one
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 23 January, 2018, 06:53:21 PM

Jesus, I've literally just seen a Nemesis figure from the premium subscription go for £102 on ebay. I'm still waiting for mine to arrive in the post, can't wait to view it up close. Looks like these figures are going to be real collectors items. I'm really glad I subscribed to the premium now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 January, 2018, 07:51:55 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 23 January, 2018, 05:10:51 PM
How have I missed that there are multiple volumes of 'covers galleries' as part of the collection? Maybe I'm being blind, but I don't see them referred to even as part of the premium subscription. I want them!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUKwNNGW4AAVaiS.jpg:large
Where did that turn up? I knew about the last Subscriber gift, which is a sketchbook or something, but this really is something else!!?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 January, 2018, 08:54:35 PM
Yeah that covers volume looks amazing and I don't recall it being mentioned anywhere previously.

Could it be one of the missing volumes?
I seem to recall there were 1-2 unknowns left in the list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 January, 2018, 09:15:10 PM
Here!

https://twitter.com/sharkbitesteve/status/955519832967041024
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2018, 09:52:05 PM
Well, that's fairly annoying if that's for premium subs only, given that they never mentioned that on the website. I'd have gone for the premium subscription otherwise.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 23 January, 2018, 10:02:07 PM
If you signed up for the figures, you're a premium subscriber? Because I haven't seen these...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 January, 2018, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2018, 09:52:05 PM
Well, that's fairly annoying if that's for premium subs only, given that they never mentioned that on the website. I'd have gone for the premium subscription otherwise.

Me too. I'll be quite cross. Hoping to upgrade my subscription.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 January, 2018, 10:17:50 PM
The guy who posted it wrote for 2000AD in the 90s so I'm guessing he a) got some stuff in advance and b) publicised something he shouldn't.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 23 January, 2018, 10:30:20 PM

Has anyone tried asking on the official 2000ad facebook page about the cover slips? I would, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 23 January, 2018, 10:58:42 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 23 January, 2018, 10:17:50 PM
The guy who posted it wrote for 2000AD in the 90s so I'm guessing he a) got some stuff in advance and b) publicised something he shouldn't.

If memory serves, Steve White is a partworks editor at Hachette! He was manning the stand at the 40th birthday bash last February, and mentioned the Ultimate Collection looked likely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 January, 2018, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 23 January, 2018, 10:30:20 PM

Has anyone tried asking on the official 2000ad facebook page about the cover slips? I would, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes.

Yep, I have. Will let you know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 24 January, 2018, 12:44:00 AM
Yeah not fussed on the statutes (tho they look very nice) but would upgrade for the covers books. All intel appreciated..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 24 January, 2018, 12:59:24 AM
that is some eaglemoss level of bullshit not pleased
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 24 January, 2018, 07:54:56 AM
Happy I decided to go premium from the start now.
Haven't received my first figure yet, it's on the way, but over £100 is mental.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 24 January, 2018, 08:28:55 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 23 January, 2018, 09:15:10 PM
Here!

https://twitter.com/sharkbitesteve/status/955519832967041024

If the covers books are only going to be available to premium subscribers then that's really annoying as I'm another who would have gone premium for them. 

Doesn't look like it's possible to upgrade to a premium sub once you're past issue 5 either  :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 January, 2018, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 24 January, 2018, 08:28:55 AM
If the covers books are only going to be available to premium subscribers then that's really annoying as I'm another who would have gone premium for them. 

Doesn't look like it's possible to upgrade to a premium sub once you're past issue 5 either  :(

There's going to be a few grumpy subscribers if that's the case.  And Hachette have done themselves out of a few extra £s by not publicising these upfront, I'd certainly have considered a premium sub if I'd known it included extra books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 24 January, 2018, 09:14:56 AM
'Special subs gifts'. Why not all subscribers, a freebie? (Looks a fairly thin volume).
While subscribing means dodgy/owned volumes, excessive time and storage and toy figures, keep on cherry-picking :-)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 24 January, 2018, 09:45:30 AM
yep that's going to piss me off too. I'm not too bothered about more figurines to dust but I'd have gone for it for covers volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 24 January, 2018, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: Fungus on 24 January, 2018, 09:14:56 AM
While subscribing means dodgy/owned volumes

Does it?

I subscribe to 6 different partwork book collections and all mine are in excellent condition and shrink wrapped.

For me subscribing means I get every issue delivered to my door once a month and never have to scrabble around newsagents or haunting eBay for difficult to find issues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2018, 11:47:08 AM
Probably means dodgy/owned, respectively, in terms of low-quality content/already owned books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 24 January, 2018, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2018, 11:47:08 AM
Probably means dodgy/owned, respectively, in terms of low-quality content/already owned books.

Ah, with you mow.

Fair enough.

The Mega Collection has had it's fair share of dogs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 25 January, 2018, 12:36:30 PM
An answer to a question on Facebook states that Slaine: The High King will be issue 40, volume 33. On the assumptions that the High in the title refers to two post-Horned God stories from a yearbook and a poster prog, and that the rest of Slaine will be released in order as per Strontium Dog, Dante etc., that suggests there will only be 3 more Slaine volumes before issue 40, making the back 40 issues extremely Slaine-heavy. I guess those still buying it at that point will be in it for the long haul, but it would have been nice to spread the warped one out a bit.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 25 January, 2018, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 January, 2018, 12:36:30 PM
An answer to a question on Facebook states that Slaine: The High King will be issue 40, volume 33. On the assumptions that the High in the title refers to two post-Horned God stories from a yearbook and a poster prog, and that the rest of Slaine will be released in order as per Strontium Dog, Dante etc., that suggests there will only be 3 more Slaine volumes before issue 40, making the back 40 issues extremely Slaine-heavy. I guess those still buying it at that point will be in it for the long haul, but it would have been nice to spread the warped one out a bit.



Maybe "extremely" was a bit extreme - 5 volumes in first 40, 8 the last - I'm sure I'll cope.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 25 January, 2018, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 January, 2018, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 January, 2018, 12:36:30 PM
An answer to a question on Facebook states that Slaine: The High King will be issue 40, volume 33. On the assumptions that the High in the title refers to two post-Horned God stories from a yearbook and a poster prog, and that the rest of Slaine will be released in order as per Strontium Dog, Dante etc., that suggests there will only be 3 more Slaine volumes before issue 40, making the back 40 issues extremely Slaine-heavy. I guess those still buying it at that point will be in it for the long haul, but it would have been nice to spread the warped one out a bit.



Maybe "extremely" was a bit extreme - 5 volumes in first 40, 8 the last - I'm sure I'll cope.

You might even enjoy them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 25 January, 2018, 06:55:59 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 January, 2018, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 January, 2018, 12:36:30 PM
An answer to a question on Facebook states that Slaine: The High King will be issue 40, volume 33. On the assumptions that the High in the title refers to two post-Horned God stories from a yearbook and a poster prog, and that the rest of Slaine will be released in order as per Strontium Dog, Dante etc., that suggests there will only be 3 more Slaine volumes before issue 40, making the back 40 issues extremely Slaine-heavy. I guess those still buying it at that point will be in it for the long haul, but it would have been nice to spread the warped one out a bit.



Maybe "extremely" was a bit extreme - 5 volumes in first 40, 8 the last - I'm sure I'll cope.

Do you think that's too many?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 January, 2018, 11:10:00 AM
Ongoing FB discussion on the content of the first three Slaine volume (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156626342370476&set=p.10156626342370476&type=3&theater) has produced the following:

29- SLAINE VOL 1 The Time Monster; The Beast in the Broch; The Beltain Giant; Warrior's Dawn; Bride of Crom; Creeping Death; Bull Dance; Heroes' Blood; The Shoggey Beast; Sky Chariots

30- SLAINE VOL 2 Dragonheist; Time Killer; Battle of Clontarf

31- SLAINE VOL 3 Tomb of Terror; The Spoils of Annwn; Slaine the King; The Killing Field; Mini-Series

Pretty much tallies with existing Rebellion books. Slaine Vol 1 is due in April.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 January, 2018, 12:22:38 PM
Quote from: Grumpy Andrew on 25 January, 2018, 06:55:59 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 January, 2018, 12:45:45 PM
Maybe "extremely" was a bit extreme - 5 volumes in first 40, 8 the last - I'm sure I'll cope.

Do you think that's too many?

:lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 26 January, 2018, 12:34:09 PM
I think I may have protested too much, I'm really enjoying the collection.

Quote from: Tomwe on 26 January, 2018, 11:10:00 AM
Ongoing FB discussion on the content of the first three Slaine volume (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156626342370476&set=p.10156626342370476&type=3&theater) has produced the following:

29- SLAINE VOL 1 The Time Monster; The Beast in the Broch; The Beltain Giant; Warrior's Dawn; Bride of Crom; Creeping Death; Bull Dance; Heroes' Blood; The Shoggey Beast; Sky Chariots

30- SLAINE VOL 2 Dragonheist; Time Killer; Battle of Clontarf

31- SLAINE VOL 3 Tomb of Terror; The Spoils of Annwn; Slaine the King; The Killing Field; Mini-Series

Pretty much tallies with existing Rebellion books. Slaine Vol 1 is due in April.

Contents listing makes these volumes all around the same length as The Horned God, presuming Tomb of Terror will include the game pages too. Be interesting to read those again, perhaps they'll be some commentary on the conception of those and Dice Man at the time.

Also hoping for the all Dice Man stories to be reprinted in the collection as I recall some stunning art in those - Bryan Talbot's on Torquemada and John Ridgway on the Dice Man to name but two.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 26 January, 2018, 12:48:42 PM
if we ain't getting starlord stront i doubt we'll get anything from diceman
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 26 January, 2018, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 January, 2018, 12:48:42 PM
if we ain't getting starlord stront i doubt we'll get anything from diceman
Diceman was a 2000ad spinoff so falls under the same banner which Starlord didn't so it it at least possible filler.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 26 January, 2018, 02:23:15 PM
I really hope the Nemesis stories from Diceman are included...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 26 January, 2018, 02:35:17 PM
The Rebellion Demon Killer TPB includes the Slaine Diceman story.

The Torquemada Diceman story is in one of the Rebellion Nemesis TPBs.

So I'm guessing there is no rights reason to exclude them, it would be more a matter of page count(?) as to whether they get included.

Did the Dredd Diceman story turn up in the Mega Collection? (I don't think so but I don't have all the volumes).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 26 January, 2018, 02:37:06 PM
I don't think the Talbot Judge Death Diceman has turned up in the MegaCollection - but I live in hope!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 26 January, 2018, 03:04:17 PM
I really loved Diceman. It was a shame there weren't more issues. I guess sales didn't justify it. (HmmTPO probably covers that.)

I still have them all, in good condition too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 29 January, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
You may recall me complaining about Strontium Dog Vol.1 - in short that I thought it was boring juvenalia that had extremely limited appeal without the nostalgia value of having read it as a child in the 70s.

But christ on a bike, compared to Robo-Hunter Stront Vol.1 was War & Peace. It's unreadable. And not exactly Gibson's finest hour either. I've actually had to shelve if without getting 1/3 of the way through, and I pride myself on always finishing things. The last straw was skipping ahead to see what I was missing and encountering the Mexican-cliche cigar. It's like an outtake from the 70s' Beano.

Does it ever become something more?

Honestly I'd rather see something like Mambo than this - at least it had ideas interesting to someone in long trousers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 29 January, 2018, 04:17:34 PM
I should point out that I'm *loving* Nemesis in every way - both Vol 1 & 2. Flawless genius. And it's a contemporary of RoboHunter so it's not just the 70s/early 80s stuff that I'm struggling with.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 29 January, 2018, 06:14:06 PM
Received my first figure, Nemesis, today.
Not sure it's worth a ton but it's definitely worth £20.
Beautiful sculpture and so happy to see a character I've been reading for nearly 40 years in 3-D form.
Well worth the premium.
Looking forward to the other statues.

Oh, and I loved the first volume of Robo Hunter but then I loved it when it first appeared in the Prog.

Classic Tooth and I love it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 January, 2018, 06:46:37 PM
I quite enjoyed Verdus.  Yes it was daft and cliched but it was fun and action packed.

Day of the Droids (where the "Mexican-cliche cigar" turns up) wasn't quite as good imo.  Not sure quite what it was that let it down but the new sidekicks certainly didn't help matters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 29 January, 2018, 07:15:44 PM
Got my Nemesis in the post today - were two more books supposed to come with it?
I just got the figurine ..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 29 January, 2018, 07:16:53 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 29 January, 2018, 07:15:44 PM
Got my Nemesis in the post today - were two more books supposed to come with it?
I just got the figurine ..

Mine arrived in a separate delivery from the books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 29 January, 2018, 07:18:09 PM
What books are supposed to come with it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
FWIW, I've asked about switching subs, having seen that covers volume. No reply as yet, sadly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 29 January, 2018, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 29 January, 2018, 07:18:09 PM
What books are supposed to come with it?

These ones!

(https://i.imgur.com/l9GOeOL.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 January, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
FWIW, I've asked about switching subs, having seen that covers volume. No reply as yet, sadly.

Has the covers volume even been confirmed as a premium sub thing?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 29 January, 2018, 08:50:52 PM
Thanks Jim.

By the way you're running low on your fancy pink Himalayan salt  ;)

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 29 January, 2018, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 29 January, 2018, 07:18:09 PM
What books are supposed to come with it?

These ones!

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 29 January, 2018, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 29 January, 2018, 08:50:52 PM
By the way you're running low on your fancy pink Himalayan sale salt

It was a gift! Honest!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 29 January, 2018, 08:58:49 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2018, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: sintec on 29 January, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
FWIW, I've asked about switching subs, having seen that covers volume. No reply as yet, sadly.

Has the covers volume even been confirmed as a premium sub thing?
Not yet, no. Hard to see where else it'd fit in. I've asked for confirmation about that too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 January, 2018, 12:43:13 AM
Quote from: sintec on 29 January, 2018, 06:46:37 PM
I quite enjoyed Verdus.  Yes it was daft and cliched but it was fun and action packed.

Day of the Droids (where the "Mexican-cliche cigar" turns up) wasn't quite as good imo.  Not sure quite what it was that let it down but the new sidekicks certainly didn't help matters.

IMO Robohunter was always on a downwards trajectory- Verdus was great, Day of the Droids was good, but after that it just got worse and worse, the jokes weren't as funny and the plots were just lame.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dr Feeley Good on 30 January, 2018, 08:07:52 AM
Loved Verdus especially the artwork...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 January, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 30 January, 2018, 12:43:13 AM
Quote from: sintec on 29 January, 2018, 06:46:37 PM
I quite enjoyed Verdus.  Yes it was daft and cliched but it was fun and action packed.

Day of the Droids (where the "Mexican-cliche cigar" turns up) wasn't quite as good imo.  Not sure quite what it was that let it down but the new sidekicks certainly didn't help matters.

IMO Robohunter was always on a downwards trajectory- Verdus was great, Day of the Droids was good, but after that it just got worse and worse, the jokes weren't as funny and the plots were just lame.

Sounds like the next 2 volumes could be a bit lame then, that's a shame.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2018, 09:11:30 AM
Depends on your point of view. I enjoyed the last two arcs, which wrapped up the original run. They're a bit of their time in many ways (Gibson with his cheesecake depiction of women; Wagner occasionally dropping in depictions of other nations that are troubling), but fun and breezy. Some of the stuff in-between them and Verdus, though, never really clicked for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 30 January, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
Conversely, I was never a huge fan of Robo Hunter but think the later stories like Slaying of Slade are much better than the early ones.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 30 January, 2018, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2018, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: sintec on 29 January, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
FWIW, I've asked about switching subs, having seen that covers volume. No reply as yet, sadly.

Has the covers volume even been confirmed as a premium sub thing?
Not yet, no. Hard to see where else it'd fit in. I've asked for confirmation about that too.

I've had it confirmed by facebook PM that they're for premium subbers only.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2018, 09:35:30 AM
Fair enough. So that was unannounced, and stupid of them. It'll be interesting to see how they respond to my other query, about switching subscriptions. (I've stated I would authorise a single 'catch-up' payment, if they could do this.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 30 January, 2018, 09:39:57 AM
I asked the same thing and was told I couldn't switch as my subscription was past the required issue. 

Discussions are ongoing.....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2018, 09:50:33 AM
Fair enough. They've not responded to me yet. It'll be interesting how they play this. It's ridiculous that they did not outline all of the add-ons prior to people having to make a subscription decision that will last the best part of four years. Also: if people do switch, that's more money for them. Plus not pissing off subscribers who could cancel at a moment's notice would seem like the smarter move to me. But there you go.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 30 January, 2018, 09:51:20 AM
 Has there been any word on when they plan to announce the cover issues, and when we'll get them?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 30 January, 2018, 10:36:16 AM
That's pretty shitty of them. I wonder if Rebellion are aware and happy with the way they are handling that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2018, 11:04:06 AM
How much input does Rebellion have? I know they influenced the original decision to 'force' free replacements for those who'd bought the test run. But on something like this, I've no idea.

Despite the administrative burden, it would be easy for Hachette to say and do something like this:

Premium subscribers to the 2000 AD Ultimate Collection will in addition to existing gifts also receive [X] hardback books featuring covers from throughout 2000 AD's history. Because this is a new development and was not advertised when the collection was launched, we will – for a limited time – be giving existing standard subscribers the option to upgrade their subscriptions.

The upgrade will take place from issue 15, whereupon your subscription will increase from £19.98 per month to £22.98. It will also require you to authorise a one-off catch-up payment of £21. On making this payment, the Nemesis the Warlock figurine will be sent with your next set of books.

I suspect the chances of the above are slim, but you never know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 30 January, 2018, 11:23:52 AM
That would seem like a very reasonable way of resolving this.  Hopefully, Hachette will see its merits and not take an inflexible stance to this. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 January, 2018, 11:25:13 AM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 30 January, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
Conversely, I was never a huge fan of Robo Hunter but think the later stories like Slaying of Slade are much better than the early ones.

Me too - I like Verdus, but I think the strip gets better, and punchier, in the Brit-Cit years with the stable supporting cast and Gibson's more refined style. And so help me, I love Gibson's cheesecake and Wagner's broad stereotypes!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 January, 2018, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 30 January, 2018, 11:25:13 AM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 30 January, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
Conversely, I was never a huge fan of Robo Hunter but think the later stories like Slaying of Slade are much better than the early ones.

Me too - I like Verdus, but I think the strip gets better, and punchier, in the Brit-Cit years with the stable supporting cast and Gibson's more refined style. And so help me, I love Gibson's cheesecake and Wagner's broad stereotypes!

I'm reading RH volume 1 as knockabout fun that I'm not taking too seriously. Hoagy makes me laugh every time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 30 January, 2018, 12:37:20 PM
It took me two nights to read this one, after Verdus I was all Sladed out for one evening. I think that this volume in particular highlights the episodic nature of the way the strips were originally presented - it can be a bit of a slog finding catch up panels every four or five pages detailing the previous week's events when you've only just read that episode. Over a twenty part epic, I found this seemed to slow the story down.
That said, I wouldn't change a thing. Don't forget the prog, and the medium's storytelling, was a whole different beast back then in comparison to the way stories are presented now - pretty much a graphic novel split into weekly parts.
FWIW, I love Gibson's art, and it'll be great to see it evolve over the course of the RoboHunter books. And who'd have thought that half my mates would have a stogie in their mouths now every time I see 'em in the pub?!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 30 January, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 30 January, 2018, 12:37:20 PMAnd who'd have thought that half my mates would have a stogie in their mouths now every time I see 'em in the pub?!

Of all the strangenesses of this actual 21st Century, this is the one that continually catches me off guard, and more than anything brings home the transience of any cultural phenomenon.  Fags in gobs were everywhere, part of life, driven into the street lately maybe, but still constant and ubiquitous: so much so that Stogie, or the weird bongs of Watchmen, were as good a signifier of SF as jetpacks and aliens.  Then vapes came, and with them the realisation that not so very long ago it was pipes not ciggies, and the reliable, solid textures of your life are in fact just one more brief historical moment.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 30 January, 2018, 01:25:24 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2018, 11:04:06 AM
How much input does Rebellion have? I know they influenced the original decision to 'force' free replacements for those who'd bought the test run. But on something like this, I've no idea.

Despite the administrative burden, it would be easy for Hachette to say and do something like this:

Premium subscribers to the 2000 AD Ultimate Collection will in addition to existing gifts also receive [X] hardback books featuring covers from throughout 2000 AD's history. Because this is a new development and was not advertised when the collection was launched, we will – for a limited time – be giving existing standard subscribers the option to upgrade their subscriptions.

The upgrade will take place from issue 15, whereupon your subscription will increase from £19.98 per month to £22.98. It will also require you to authorise a one-off catch-up payment of £21. On making this payment, the Nemesis the Warlock figurine will be sent with your next set of books.

I suspect the chances of the above are slim, but you never know.

This would be the perfect solution! Let's see if they go for it. Otherwise they're just denying themselves income... and losing at least one subscriber!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JamesC on 30 January, 2018, 01:25:44 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 30 January, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 30 January, 2018, 12:37:20 PMAnd who'd have thought that half my mates would have a stogie in their mouths now every time I see 'em in the pub?!

Of all the strangenesses of this actual 21st Century, this is the one that continually catches me off guard, and more than anything brings home the transience of any cultural phenomenon.  Fags in gobs were everywhere, part of life, driven into the street lately maybe, but still constant and ubiquitous: so much so that Stogie, or the weird bongs of Watchmen, were as good a signifier of SF as jetpacks and aliens.  Then vapes came, and with them the realisation that not so very long ago it was pipes not ciggies, and the reliable, solid textures of your life are in fact just one more brief historical moment.

This post should be turned into a song and recorded by Ralph McTell.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 January, 2018, 02:39:19 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 30 January, 2018, 01:25:24 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2018, 11:04:06 AM
Premium subscribers to the 2000 AD Ultimate Collection will in addition to existing gifts also receive [X] hardback books featuring covers from throughout 2000 AD's history. Because this is a new development and was not advertised when the collection was launched, we will – for a limited time – be giving existing standard subscribers the option to upgrade their subscriptions.

The upgrade will take place from issue 15, whereupon your subscription will increase from £19.98 per month to £22.98. It will also require you to authorise a one-off catch-up payment of £21. On making this payment, the Nemesis the Warlock figurine will be sent with your next set of books.

I suspect the chances of the above are slim, but you never know.

This would be the perfect solution! Let's see if they go for it. Otherwise they're just denying themselves income... and losing at least one subscriber!

Yeah it does seem like the simplest solution and one which will potentially net them some additional income for a bit of additional admin.  They really dropped the ball on not advertising this at launch.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 January, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2018, 09:11:30 AM
Depends on your point of view. I enjoyed the last two arcs, which wrapped up the original run. They're a bit of their time in many ways (Gibson with his cheesecake depiction of women; Wagner occasionally dropping in depictions of other nations that are troubling), but fun and breezy. Some of the stuff in-between them and Verdus, though, never really clicked for me.

Sounds like Vol 3 will be better than Vol  2 then.  I can live with that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 January, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Trekked into town to get the Dante v.2 from FP then realised that the 31st is tomorrow not today  >:(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 30 January, 2018, 03:32:51 PM
Just had the following news about these pesky slip case volumes:

Apologies!  You've received some mis-information on this matter.  The letter detailing the specials will be sent out to all subscribers with issue 13!  If you don't opt out of specials then you will receive the special with issue 15.  It is not a premium offer.

Seems like good news for us regular subbers!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2018, 03:37:09 PM
Same news here. Ignored the query about switching subs, FWIW.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 January, 2018, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 30 January, 2018, 03:32:51 PM
Just had the following news about these pesky slip case volumes:

Apologies!  You've received some mis-information on this matter.  The letter detailing the specials will be sent out to all subscribers with issue 13!  If you don't opt out of specials then you will receive the special with issue 15.  It is not a premium offer.

Seems like good news for us regular subbers!

That's awesome news.  No idea why anyone would want to opt out of these if they're not costing extra £s but I guess it's nice to have the option.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 30 January, 2018, 04:47:34 PM
They will cost extra.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 30 January, 2018, 05:17:49 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 30 January, 2018, 12:37:20 PM
- it can be a bit of a slog finding catch up panels every four or five pages detailing the previous week's events when you've only just read that episode. Over a twenty part epic, I found this seemed to slow the story down.

There's a strong argument for dipping into the older tales, when they're collected. Never designed to be read all at once and it sullies your enjoyment to binge on entire stories. Not the comic's fault (and I accept this wasn't suggested).
Overall, I'm a fan of recap. It does no harm. How often do you pick up the prog and wonder what's going on...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 January, 2018, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 30 January, 2018, 04:47:34 PM
They will cost extra.

Ahhh ok that makes more sense.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: marko10174 on 01 February, 2018, 05:57:22 PM

Does anyone know what strips are coming after Abc warrior and Rogue trooper?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 February, 2018, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 01 February, 2018, 05:57:22 PM

Does anyone know what strips are coming after Abc warrior and Rogue trooper?
No idea what 15 is but my records show these to follow:
16   21   Nemesis The Warlock Vol 3
17   55   Zombo
18   29   Slaine 1
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3
20   54   Hewligan's Haircut
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 February, 2018, 11:25:04 AM
Rogue Trooper: Volume 1 (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/rogue-trooper-volume-1)
Quote
The battle-scarred planet of Nu Earth is the site of an epic conflict between the Southers and the Norts. Its atmosphere poisoned by chemical weapons, no one can survive on this hellworld without the aid of breathing apparatus – no one, that is, apart from the Genetic Infantrymen: cloned soldiers bred for war. The last of these G.I.s is Rogue Trooper – and he's gone AWOL to find the traitor that sold out his comrades!
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/f692b3de-4ea2-44eb-aed0-c8b09d89cd03.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 February, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 02 February, 2018, 11:25:04 AM
Rogue Trooper: Volume 1 (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/rogue-trooper-volume-1)
Quote
The battle-scarred planet of Nu Earth is the site of an epic conflict between the Southers and the Norts. Its atmosphere poisoned by chemical weapons, no one can survive on this hellworld without the aid of breathing apparatus – no one, that is, apart from the Genetic Infantrymen: cloned soldiers bred for war. The last of these G.I.s is Rogue Trooper – and he's gone AWOL to find the traitor that sold out his comrades!
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/f692b3de-4ea2-44eb-aed0-c8b09d89cd03.jpg)

Iconic cover. My guess is this will include everything up to and including All Hell on the Dix-I Front.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 February, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
Just finished vol2 of Dante, that book just get's better and better as it goes along.  I wasn't quite sure what all the fuss was about with vol1, I mean it was fun but it didn't seem worthy of the high praise it was getting.  Vol2 however really ratcheted things up, superb stuff.  John Burn's art in the last couple of stories was gorgeous as well, it's the perfect compliment to Dante's world.  Looking forward to more of that in future volumes.

Can't wait to get ABC Warriors next month.  Not sure about Rouge, war stories aren't always my thing, hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.  Surprised to see Vol 3 of Nemesis so soon after the first 2. Not complaining though as I really enjoyed the last one, just assumed these series would be a bit more spread out over the years.  Then Zombo & Slaine the following month and more Nikolai the month after that, the thrillpower shows no sign of relenting.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 February, 2018, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: sintec on 03 February, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
Just finished vol2 of Dante, that book just get's better and better as it goes along.  I wasn't quite sure what all the fuss was about with vol1, I mean it was fun but it didn't seem worthy of the high praise it was getting.  Vol2 however really ratcheted things up, superb stuff.  John Burn's art in the last couple of stories was gorgeous as well, it's the perfect compliment to Dante's world.  Looking forward to more of that in future volumes.


Man yeah wait until you get to the next volume, that's going to be quite something!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 February, 2018, 08:07:15 PM
I felt the same about Dante, enjoyable in a silly way but I couldn't see why it was getting rave reviews, but I've read a LOT worse, believe me.  I've still to start the second.  Rogue, I always enjoyed, though I did read the 'galactic hitman' era that was getting silly.

The grimmer Realpolitik era book was quite nice, as was 86ers, but I've never read Tor Cyan or Friday stories.  I hear they're a mixed bag.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GaryUK on 03 February, 2018, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 01 February, 2018, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: marko10174 on 01 February, 2018, 05:57:22 PM

Does anyone know what strips are coming after Abc warrior and Rogue trooper?
No idea what 15 is but my records show these to follow:
16   21   Nemesis The Warlock Vol 3
17   55   Zombo
18   29   Slaine 1
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3
20   54   Hewligan's Haircut

Hope you don't mind my asking but how do you find out so far in advanced what's coming?  I'm certainly looking forward to Nemesis vol.3, Zombo and Slaine vol.1, but have no real interest in Nikolai Dante, and I've never read Hewligan's Haircut.  Worth getting..?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 03 February, 2018, 08:24:16 PM
Picked up Dante Vol 2 today, what an absolute monster of a comic.  Can't get over what value these books represent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 03 February, 2018, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: sintec on 03 February, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
Not sure about Rouge, war stories aren't always my thing, hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Don't worry, Rogue is a far better character than his make-up wearing brother. ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 03 February, 2018, 10:00:50 PM
For those reading Dante for the first time - keep going! It just gets better and better.

Re: Tor Cyan. One of 2000AD's biggest missed opportunities IMO. Could have carried on Rogue's legacy in a truly inventive way, but just fizzled out in the end. Still awesome though, again IMO.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 February, 2018, 10:37:16 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 February, 2018, 08:07:15 PM
I felt the same about Dante, enjoyable in a silly way but I couldn't see why it was getting rave reviews, but I've read a LOT worse, believe me.  I've still to start the second.

You've got some great reading ahead off you then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 February, 2018, 01:27:26 AM
i think once you get the third book of dante in your hands you'll realise why its held in such high reguard by many people
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 05 February, 2018, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: GaryUK on 03 February, 2018, 08:08:47 PM
Hope you don't mind my asking but how do you find out so far in advanced what's coming?  I'm certainly looking forward to Nemesis vol.3, Zombo and Slaine vol.1, but have no real interest in Nikolai Dante, and I've never read Hewligan's Haircut.  Worth getting..?

YES Hewligan's Haircut is an insane, essential classic to my mind. By Peter Milligan & Jamie (Gorillaz) Hewlett. The book also includes Sooner Or Later by Milligan, Brendan McCarthy & Hewlett. 

I have been keeping tabs on any questions asked of the Facebook Page moderators (and asking my own). When the series was announced the forum members and FB page fans were keen to work out what they were getting themselves into, so while exact release dates for most are not know we have almost completely worked out what the 80 books will be.
If you want to see my spreadsheet of future books its a google docs sheet here. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 05 February, 2018, 09:50:42 AM
The Wikipedia page is also very helpful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 February, 2018, 09:56:11 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 February, 2018, 08:07:15 PMI felt the same about Dante, enjoyable in a silly way but I couldn't see why it was getting rave reviews, but I've read a LOT worse, believe me.
Dante is sneaky. It starts off as a fun, but inconsequential slice of 2000 AD action, if a bit more grown up in some ways than the classic thrills. But then it just builds and builds and builds. I'd say it's my favourite 2000 AD series of them all, eclipsing even the classic run of Strontium Dog.

QuoteI've still to start the second.  Rogue, I always enjoyed, though I did read the 'galactic hitman' era that was getting silly.
Rogue, on the other hand, I can take or leave. it's fine, but rarely becomes entirely engaging. It'll be interesting to see what this hand-picked selection does for the strip. Rogue is a series that would be very easy to edit down to something much more interesting. That said, we could just get the classic pre-Hit run, which would – to my mind – omit the best stuff (Cinnebar, and the Rennie run – although all of that's in a single Rebellion volume).

As for Tor Cyan, I agree with others posting here that he was a missed opportunity.

QuoteThe grimmer Realpolitik era book was quite nice, as was 86ers, but I've never read Tor Cyan or Friday stories.  I hear they're a mixed bag.
The Fr1day Rogue is pretty much a waste of time from start to finish. The original War Machine is solid, if gloomy. It'd be a pity of that was omitted from the Ultimate Collection though (lovely art). After that point, the strip went down at speed, and appeared to be taking place in multiple realities (John Smiths being far more crazy and violent – but at least interesting). It all went pear-shaped when they [spoiler]added back the biochips[/spoiler], and then tried to [spoiler]merge the continuities of the various Rogue Trooper strips[/spoiler], which barely made sense. [spoiler]Tor Cyan tried to put a lid on that mess, before editorial presumably cut its losses and just went for flashbacks[/spoiler].

Personally, I'd like to see more of the IDW run, but there you go.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 February, 2018, 04:37:15 PM
See I'm not really sure what you mean of the IDW run. I own the six Rebellion Rogue trades, 86ers and Extreme Editions Cinnibar. I'm a bit spotty on the rest.

Anyway, only part way through Nikolai Dante book 2 and this is far superior, the humour is a bit more subtle and even characters like Andreas are interesting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 February, 2018, 04:42:27 PM
Seriously everytime a new volume of the Dante from the Ultimate Collections land so my door matt (still to pick one up in the shops as this time WH Smith is closed in Sheffield (having to move home) and I didn't want to risk it, the world feels a better place.

Christ these books are wonderful!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 February, 2018, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 05 February, 2018, 04:37:15 PMSee I'm not really sure what you mean of the IDW run.
I'm talking about this (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rogue-Trooper-Brian-Ruckley/dp/1631400452), which was IDW's own and very short-lived take on Rogue Trooper. You may also like the fourth Tales book (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/graphic-novels/rogue-trooper/XB500), which compiles Cinnebar and all the Rennie tales. War Machine (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/graphic-novels/rogue-trooper/GRN471) is the other take – the start of Fr1day (which also should have been its end).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 February, 2018, 01:34:39 AM
I'm guessing we won't get either of those in the 2000ad collection then?

I thought that first one was just a reprint of an earlier book to be honest with a different cover.  For instance, my Harlem Heroes trade has a different cover from another print edition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 February, 2018, 08:45:54 AM
Of those, the IDW content definitely won't be in there, because it's not owned by Rebellion. Some of the other stuff might. It depends on the direction Matt Smith has decided to take with his strip. Is he going for the classic era, more recent stuff, or a mix of the two? We'll find out soon enough. (Personally, I'd like to see a 'best of' the traitor general search arc, Cinnebar, War Machine, and some Rennie Rogue.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 February, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
Subs box is here - silver bookends included. They are taller and possibly made of stronger material than the Dredd ones. They certainly will be stronger since the cutouts to the Dredd ones made them almost totally useless.

Also there's a letter about these Decade-Themed Covers Gallery books - there will be four, one for each decade the prog has been running and the first to come with next month's delivery.

You will need to opt out via email or phone if you don't want the book. They cost £14.99.

No indication here if they will be available to non-subscribers, although it says "exclusive subscriber price" so its possible they will simply be more expensive for anyone else who wants one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 February, 2018, 10:38:23 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 02 February, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Iconic cover. My guess is this will include everything up to and including All Hell on the Dix-I Front.
Nearly right, it has all Rogue strips up to Assassination Run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 February, 2018, 10:46:59 AM
ABC Warriors Vol 1 goes up to Prog 566 and the wholly ironic panel "There Will Be No More Delays"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 08 February, 2018, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 February, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
Also there's a letter about these Decade-Themed Covers Gallery books - there will be four, one for each decade the prog has been running and the first to come with next month's delivery.

You will need to opt out via email or phone if you don't want the book. They cost £14.99.
Any idea if that's £14.99 for all 4 books or £14.99 per single book - as £15 for one 64pg book seems pretty pricey compared to the standard price of an issue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 08 February, 2018, 04:16:28 PM
Both odd and rather impressive that we still don't know what Issue 15 will be, given that we know what the following five are.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 08 February, 2018, 04:17:24 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 February, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
Subs box is here - silver bookends included.

Hmmm, I haven't had the Robohunter and Nicolai Dante books arrive yet...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 08 February, 2018, 04:50:40 PM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 08 February, 2018, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 February, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
Also there's a letter about these Decade-Themed Covers Gallery books - there will be four, one for each decade the prog has been running and the first to come with next month's delivery.

You will need to opt out via email or phone if you don't want the book. They cost £14.99.
Any idea if that's £14.99 for all 4 books or £14.99 per single book - as £15 for one 64pg book seems pretty pricey compared to the standard price of an issue.

I'm pretty sure that will be £14.99 per book. I may be missing something but where did you get 64 pages in each from?
Given that each decade would have something like 500 or so issues to choose from... I would expect them to be bigger than that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 February, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 08 February, 2018, 04:16:28 PM
Both odd and rather impressive that we still don't know what Issue 15 will be, given that we know what the following five are.
wouldn't it be nice to have a proper surprise in there. I feel its due another 'new' book.

Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 08 February, 2018, 04:50:40 PM
I'm pretty sure that will be £14.99 per book. I may be missing something but where did you get 64 pages in each from?
Given that each decade would have something like 500 or so issues to choose from... I would expect them to be bigger than that.
Yes for sure on that price - sorry for not being clear in my original post.
Re 64 pages, it says that in the letter too.
Here's a reminder of what it looks like from Steve White's twitter post that spoilt the whole thing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUKwNNGW4AAVaiS.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 08 February, 2018, 05:41:25 PM
That does look slim.
Fair enough.
I'm still having it!  :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 February, 2018, 06:01:55 PM
Knew it'd turn up whilst I was away on holiday - back on Monday though so hopefully the parcel should still be waiting for me at the local post office.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 08 February, 2018, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 08 February, 2018, 05:41:25 PM
That does look slim.
Fair enough.
I'm still having it!  :D
Yeah sorry the page count is in the letter as stated but above but didn't realise that detail hadn't been included in the post. I think I'll be opting out as £15 for a book 1/4 the size of a standard issue seems a bit excessive.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2018, 11:45:05 AM
My package just arrived. Looks like these are going out by courier. Either way, the books, despite not being secured in a large box, arrived intact, along with bookends that look like you could knock someone out with them. (They are properly sturdy.)

As for the cover volumes, it'd be interesting to know what's going on here. My inkling (and it's a cynical, but logical viewpoint) is Hachette would like to make the line more profitable, and this is an easy way to do so. 60 quid for four thinnish books x however many subscribers stay on board. (Most will probably not even realise what's going on and do nothing. Although the danger is a small minority will ignore the letter and then spend their time having a go at Hachette online, until the heat death of the universe.)

It's notable that several other new partworks are creeping over the £9.99 price point...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 February, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2018, 11:45:05 AM
As for the cover volumes, it'd be interesting to know what's going on here. My inkling (and it's a cynical, but logical viewpoint) is Hachette would like to make the line more profitable, and this is an easy way to do so. 60 quid for four thinnish books x however many subscribers stay on board. (Most will probably not even realise what's going on and do nothing. Although the danger is a small minority will ignore the letter and then spend their time having a go at Hachette online, until the heat death of the universe.)

It's notable that several other new partworks are creeping over the £9.99 price point...
It does feel like a backdoor premium. Perhaps there wasn't enough people keen on the figurines. I guess we'll never know just how many people subscribe / circulation for the partworks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 February, 2018, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2018, 11:45:05 AM
Looks like these are going out by courier.

Oh god - here's hoping they've not left them behind my bin or something equally daft then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 09 February, 2018, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: sintec on 09 February, 2018, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2018, 11:45:05 AM
Looks like these are going out by courier.

Oh god - here's hoping they've not left them behind my bin or something equally daft then.

Mine came today via Royal Mail.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2018, 02:50:53 PM
I may have been mistaken. Mine came by a separate delivery, but it could feasibly have been a Royal Mail van rather than the usual postie. (I was also wrong about damage: Rogue Trooper book has a crushed corner.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 09 February, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2018, 02:50:53 PM
I may have been mistaken. Mine came by a separate delivery, but it could feasibly have been a Royal Mail van rather than the usual postie. (I was also wrong about damage: Rogue Trooper book has a crushed corner.)

My box had been crushed too but luckily the books are fine. Looks like they are using a standard box that is too big for the two books & bookends. After the tatty wallet I wasn't expecting much, but the bookends I'm very impressed with. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 09 February, 2018, 05:04:01 PM
Huh, my issue 13-14 arrived today too - just seven days after subscriber payment. A new record.

Which reminds me, props to whoever recommended that I contact Hachette and back-order two issues in order to be brought to the front of the subscriber queue. did that with Issue 11-12 and it worked like a dream. Had to speak to a supervisor to get it done though - the front-line staff were clueless and I had to be quite persistent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 09 February, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
My copies of ABC Warriors and Rogue Trooper turned up today - very nice they are too, the ABC Warriors book includes the Ro-Busters prologue and the colour centre spreads, and it's the third time I've received a Rogue Trooper book as part of a prize I won on the Internet (I won a copy of the Rogue Trooper vol 2 phonebook off of Molch-R during a Twitch broadcast about Dredd vs Death at the end of 2015, then won a copy of Rogue Trooper vol 1 off of the Rogue Trooper Redux twitter feed last year).

However, it does mean that I've missed the Dante and Robohunter books.  Anyone know who I need to get in touch with to sort it out...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2018, 07:06:03 PM
Arkady - might have been me. I was right at the tail end of the Dredd collection and got them to authorise a double payment one month to bring me to the front.

Lobo Baggins - if you're missing books, message them on Facebook. You get a written record and will likely get a decent response. Expect them to take anything up to a few days to respond. Send them your subs number in the initial request.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 February, 2018, 10:21:28 AM
My Nemesis replacement just showed up. It's bundled with an explanatory letter/apology, and – amusingly – and invoice stating I now need to pay £0.00 online. And, yes, the art lines up with #19.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 February, 2018, 12:35:09 PM
Just hope it matches up with Nemesis Vol 3 due at the end of March.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 10 February, 2018, 03:39:17 PM
I enjoyed volume 2 of Dante immensely. Cracking stories and art, plus the more subtle nuances of Dante's character coming through. Great stuff, I'm beginning to see why it's held in such high regard in Tooth's history.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 10 February, 2018, 04:33:28 PM
Got my replacement issue 9 today too, arrived with just letter and invoice. Now it'd just be nice for them to send issues 11+12 plus my Nemesis statue, which the website is saying they haven't sent yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 12 February, 2018, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2018, 07:06:03 PM
Arkady - might have been me. I was right at the tail end of the Dredd collection and got them to authorise a double payment one month to bring me to the front.


Thanks pal - definitely worked for me!

And my new Issue 9 just turned up too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 February, 2018, 04:16:55 PM
This months issues were delivered by courier but thankfully it was Parcel Force so the package was left at the local Post Office rather than the Yodel special of out in the rain behind the bins.  Also had a note from Royal Mail as my Nemesis reprint was at the postal depot.  Looking forward to cracking into ABC Warriors in the next few days.

Covers vols do seem overpriced for 64 pages, will stick with them for now though as I can see them being a nice addition to the set.  If the first one isn't stunning then I might reconsider on the other 3.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 12 February, 2018, 06:35:40 PM
Received 13 and 14 today but no bookmark did anyone else get these in another delivery
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Interstella5555 on 12 February, 2018, 11:01:21 PM
Hey guys and Gals

Anyone able to furnish me with an updated list of whats being released? Only seen up to Rouge Trooper, dont know whats in line after

Cheers for any help

C
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 February, 2018, 10:38:16 AM
Quote from: moly on 12 February, 2018, 06:35:40 PM
Received 13 and 14 today but no bookmark did anyone else get these in another delivery
What bookmark?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 13 February, 2018, 11:10:32 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 February, 2018, 10:38:16 AM
Quote from: moly on 12 February, 2018, 06:35:40 PM
Received 13 and 14 today but no bookmark did anyone else get these in another delivery
What bookmark?

I think he means bookends.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 13 February, 2018, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: Interstella5555 on 12 February, 2018, 11:01:21 PM
Hey guys and Gals

Anyone able to furnish me with an updated list of whats being released? Only seen up to Rouge Trooper, dont know whats in line after

Cheers for any help

C

Issue 15 unknown as yet
Issue 16, volume 21 - Nemesis volume 3
Issue 17, volume 55 - Zombo
Issue 18, volume 29 - Slaine volume 1
Issue 19, volume 74 - Nikolai Dante volume 3
Issue 20, volume 54 - Sooner or Later & Hewligan's Haircut
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Interstella5555 on 13 February, 2018, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 13 February, 2018, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: Interstella5555 on 12 February, 2018, 11:01:21 PM
Hey guys and Gals

Anyone able to furnish me with an updated list of whats being released? Only seen up to Rouge Trooper, dont know whats in line after

Cheers for any help

C

Issue 15 unknown as yet
Issue 16, volume 21 - Nemesis volume 3
Issue 17, volume 55 - Zombo
Issue 18, volume 29 - Slaine volume 1
Issue 19, volume 74 - Nikolai Dante volume 3
Issue 20, volume 54 - Sooner or Later & Hewligan's Haircut

Cheers pal, much appreciated
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dr Feeley Good on 13 February, 2018, 04:06:03 PM
Should ABC Warriors be in the shops tomorrow ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 13 February, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
Quote

Issue 15 unknown as yet
Issue 16, volume 21 - Nemesis volume 3
Issue 17, volume 55 - Zombo
Issue 18, volume 29 - Slaine volume 1
Issue 19, volume 74 - Nikolai Dante volume 3
Issue 20, volume 54 - Sooner or Later & Hewligan's Haircut

I'd be thankful if Volume 15 turned out to be Shakara or Kingdom Vol.2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 13 February, 2018, 07:04:17 PM
Yep meant book ends typical auto spell
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 February, 2018, 11:25:41 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 13 February, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
I'd be thankful if Volume 15 turned out to be Shakara or Kingdom Vol.2

Agreed - I'm not overly hopeful though, I fear they're going to keep us hanging on for those.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 February, 2018, 04:15:36 PM
Strange thing today, went to WH Smith's for my order. Got Dredd okay, and ABC Warriors, high strangely ought came shrink wrapped with a duplicate copy of Nemesis volume 2 at no extra cost.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 February, 2018, 04:32:39 PM
its cause of the spine feck up
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 14 February, 2018, 05:05:41 PM
It's good of them to do this for all customers and not just subscribers.

Well done Hachette!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 February, 2018, 05:17:23 PM
Also, what a bargain for the cherry pickers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GaryUK on 14 February, 2018, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 14 February, 2018, 05:05:41 PM
It's good of them to do this for all customers and not just subscribers.

Well done Hachette!

Same thing happened to one of their Transformers books and they reprinted it at no cost to the customers, so yeah thumbs up to Hatchette!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 February, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
They do seem to have some serious printing issues though. I just read through Armitage: City Of The Dead, and the print in my copy shifts from deep blacks on one spread to a much lighter on the next alarmingly often. Not sure whether to ask for another copy. (Anyone else had this with that book?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dr Feeley Good on 14 February, 2018, 10:12:50 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 February, 2018, 05:17:23 PM
Also, what a bargain for the cherry pickers.
Just picked it up myself, but typical I bought Nemesis book one and two only last week ! Will pass the dud one on to the grandson..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 14 February, 2018, 11:38:35 PM
Quote from: Dr Feeley Good on 14 February, 2018, 10:12:50 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 February, 2018, 05:17:23 PM
Also, what a bargain for the cherry pickers.
Just picked it up myself, but typical I bought Nemesis book one and two only last week ! Will pass the dud one on to the grandson..

Must have missed it, what was wrong with the original one again?

Yours
Weasel McCherrypicker
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 14 February, 2018, 11:40:27 PM
Apologies for the double post- just copped it was due to the spine image.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 February, 2018, 12:48:51 AM
I now have an imperfectly spined copy of volume 20, Nemesis volume 2. Would anyone like it? I'm in Sheffield.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: aceface11 on 16 February, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
My Ro-Busters book is patchy - I thought it was my eyes on first glance but some parts definitely appear washed out/faint.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 February, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
They do seem to have some serious printing issues though. I just read through Armitage: City Of The Dead, and the print in my copy shifts from deep blacks on one spread to a much lighter on the next alarmingly often. Not sure whether to ask for another copy. (Anyone else had this with that book?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 February, 2018, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 16 February, 2018, 12:48:51 AM
I now have an imperfectly spined copy of volume 20, Nemesis volume 2.

I think everyone does...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 16 February, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
Quote from: aceface11 on 16 February, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
My Ro-Busters book is patchy - I thought it was my eyes on first glance but some parts definitely appear washed out/faint.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 February, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
They do seem to have some serious printing issues though. I just read through Armitage: City Of The Dead, and the print in my copy shifts from deep blacks on one spread to a much lighter on the next alarmingly often. Not sure whether to ask for another copy. (Anyone else had this with that book?)

My ABC Warriors Vol.1 is the first one that has this faint/patchy printing on a few pages. Some of the colour pages look somewhat blurry too. Nothing to problematic though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 February, 2018, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 16 February, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
Quote from: aceface11 on 16 February, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
My Ro-Busters book is patchy - I thought it was my eyes on first glance but some parts definitely appear washed out/faint.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 February, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
They do seem to have some serious printing issues though. I just read through Armitage: City Of The Dead, and the print in my copy shifts from deep blacks on one spread to a much lighter on the next alarmingly often. Not sure whether to ask for another copy. (Anyone else had this with that book?)

My ABC Warriors Vol.1 is the first one that has this faint/patchy printing on a few pages. Some of the colour pages look somewhat blurry too. Nothing to problematic though.

It's the same in MEK Files vol1. I guess that's the best the archivists could do.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 February, 2018, 05:22:57 PM
For what it's worth, I'm not talking about some of the details in the art being gone – I'm talking about one page being black and the next being something more like 70% grey. Perhaps it's "hey, I'd like a replacement" time. Which I'm sure they'll love, given how many I've had so far. I'm surprised I'm not blacklisted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 February, 2018, 11:56:03 AM
ABC Warriors is definitely a book of 2 halves, the chronological gap between The Meknificent Seven and The Black Hole is really apparent.  Enjoyed both for different reasons but The Black Hole is where it really kicked off for me.  The art is stunning and the story is less "childish", for want of a better word.  Can't wait for the next volume and the conclusion of that arc.

Is it just me or does the Meknificent Seven epilogue come out of nowhere?
Feels like it's trying to crowbar the story into continuity with some earlier stuff (presumably Ro-Busters).  Normally epilogues are there to tie up some loose ends and that one felt like it left more questions than it answered.  Not really a major complaint it was just a somewhat confusing (and from my perspective completley unnecessary) ending to the story.

Just started Rogue Trooper and I'm enjoying it more than expected, I think Dave Gibbon's art is a large part of that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: glassstanley on 18 February, 2018, 12:05:08 PM
The Mek-Nificent Seven Prologue & Epilogue were created especially for the first Titan reprints. This was some years after the story was first printed, but before The Black Hole started.

I would hazard a guess that it was also Titan's way of ensuring some sort of financial recompense for the series' creators.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 February, 2018, 12:28:08 PM
Quote from: sintec on 18 February, 2018, 11:56:03 AM
Is it just me or does the Meknificent Seven epilogue come out of nowhere?
Feels like it's trying to crowbar the story into continuity with some earlier stuff (presumably Ro-Busters).  Normally epilogues are there to tie up some loose ends and that one felt like it left more questions than it answered.  Not really a major complaint it was just a somewhat confusing (and from my perspective completley unnecessary) ending...

Yeah, the prologue/epilogue are based entirely on the asdumption that you've first encountered these characters in Ro-Busters. If you haven't read Ro-Busters then the prologue/epilogue, rather than giving context, make things utterly nonsensical and it would be better not to include them. Bit odd that Ro-Busters isn't in the Ultimate collection, given that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 18 February, 2018, 03:23:00 PM
Do we think that there will be much difference between these ABCs and the Mek Files? If the content is the same (roughly two 'books' per volume) and we cover the lot then I'm in for the cheaper Ultimate editions.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 February, 2018, 10:04:59 AM
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection  (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1942722289389427?comment_id=1944203472574642&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D)
Hi Dan, Issue 15 will include The Sad Case; Traitor to His Kind; Shaggy Dog Story; The Glum Affair; The Mork Whisperer
So that's the colour stronts book Traitor to His Kind, presumably coming after Kreeler Conspiracy on the shelf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 19 February, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: sintec on 18 February, 2018, 11:56:03 AM
ABC Warriors is definitely a book of 2 halves, the chronological gap between The Meknificent Seven and The Black Hole is really apparent.  Enjoyed both for different reasons but The Black Hole is where it really kicked off for me.  The art is stunning and the story is less "childish", for want of a better word.  Can't wait for the next volume and the conclusion of that arc.

Is it just me or does the Meknificent Seven epilogue come out of nowhere?
Feels like it's trying to crowbar the story into continuity with some earlier stuff (presumably Ro-Busters).  Normally epilogues are there to tie up some loose ends and that one felt like it left more questions than it answered.  Not really a major complaint it was just a somewhat confusing (and from my perspective completley unnecessary) ending to the story.


Agreed. The genesis of the original run and issues with it are given in the article at the end of the volume, and while it wasn't ideal in Pat Mills' eyes to have lots of different artists working on the strip, it's a bonus to see a showcase for the Prog's talent of the time to give their takes on these characters. And while the prologue and epilogue don't really fit, it's great to see some work from Kevin O'Neill that I hadn't seen before.

With the Black Hole, the more mature storytelling fits perfectly into the Nemesis universe, and SMS delivers some incredible art alongside Bisley. Hopefully not too long before the next book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 February, 2018, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 19 February, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
The genesis of the original run and issues with it are given in the article at the end of the volume, and while it wasn't ideal in Pat Mills' eyes to have lots of different artists working on the strip, it's a bonus to see a showcase for the Prog's talent of the time to give their takes on these characters.

The nice thing about these volumes is that the intros and articles can really help put some odd things in context.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 February, 2018, 10:59:34 AM
The articles in both collections have been rather good. I just hope there are fewer in the 2000 AD one that, when you get to the end of a book, basically sum things up by saying: "Well, that was a load of shite, wasn't it?" Because, frankly, why then print it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 19 February, 2018, 11:07:28 AM
Quote from: sintec on 18 February, 2018, 11:56:03 AM
ABC Warriors is definitely a book of 2 halves, the chronological gap between The Meknificent Seven and The Black Hole is really apparent.  Enjoyed both for different reasons but The Black Hole is where it really kicked off for me.  The art is stunning and the story is less "childish", for want of a better word.  Can't wait for the next volume and the conclusion of that arc.

Couldn't agree more. The early stuff is fun but juvenile, but the Black Hole is gorgeous and totally involving - it feels like the spin-off/sequel to Nemesis that it is. And both Bisley and SMS are extremely talented - though quite different in style.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 19 February, 2018, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 19 February, 2018, 10:04:59 AM
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection  (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1942722289389427?comment_id=1944203472574642&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D)
Hi Dan, Issue 15 will include The Sad Case; Traitor to His Kind; Shaggy Dog Story; The Glum Affair; The Mork Whisperer
So that's the colour stronts book Traitor to His Kind, presumably coming after Kreeler Conspiracy on the shelf.

Now up on the Hachette site: https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/strontium-dog-traitor-to-his-kind (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/strontium-dog-traitor-to-his-kind)

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/a9b36e82-5353-46b1-8f72-64c7b67d202e.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 20 February, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
So SD's being issued out of order? Or does it make sense because of jumps in continuity after the Final Solution?

Who's the cover artist?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 February, 2018, 10:53:17 AM
Looks more like they're issuing it in two strands: classic and modern, and those at least will be (broadly speaking) in order. That said, the modern book we've already had doesn't print the strips entirely chronologically. (Not that it probably matters too much.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 20 February, 2018, 10:54:25 AM
Also, as a general principle with the Collection they seem to try to release one 'new' and one classic strip per month. They haven't been entirely consistent with this (e.h. ABC and Rogue Trooper Vol.1s this month) but it looks like a rule-of-thumb. I'm guessing that releasing Traitor To His Kind alongside Nemesis Vol.3 is in part to follow this pattern?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 February, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 February, 2018, 10:53:17 AM
Looks more like they're issuing it in two strands: classic and modern, and those at least will be (broadly speaking) in order. That said, the modern book we've already had doesn't print the strips entirely chronologically. (Not that it probably matters too much.)
Wonder if they'll do the same for Slaine. The next Slaine book was never formally recognised as 'volume 1', simply the next time it would appear. Though I would rather read McMahon's Slaine next personally.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 February, 2018, 02:42:12 PM
I too noticed the few bits of 'faded' artwork in ABC Warriors, but not that much. I didn't particularly enjoy the Black Hole for the first couple of parts, partially due to the contrast in art styles and story narrative but once I got used to it I did thoroughly enjoy it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 February, 2018, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 20 February, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
Who's the cover artist?

Cliff Robinson - from the cover of Prog 1415

http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=1415&Comic=2000ad (http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=1415&Comic=2000ad)

As ever Barney is your friend.

http://www.2000ad.org (http://www.2000ad.org)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cannco on 21 February, 2018, 12:07:26 AM
Hi all,
I recently signed up for the ultimate collection, used to be a reader in the 80's and lost touch with 2000ad and am enjoying the trip down memory lane as well as the new stuff.

I know about the spine reprint issue, but I still haven't received #9 or #10 or the dvd...but I have received 11/12/13/14. Has anyone else who subscribes had the same problem? I've called Hachette partworks and they told me #9 and #10 are in the process of being resent.

Cannco
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 21 February, 2018, 11:26:50 AM
Is anyone else's spine on Volume 11 a bit dodgy? I've just noticed that the spine art starts a bit too far to the right and wraps around slightly towards the cover.

Also - and sorry if we've covered this - are we expecting 5 Rogue Trooper volumes? And if so is that enough room to cover everything in Tales of Nu-Earth 1-4? I think the latter covers all printed Rogue Trooper... except the Friday stuff?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 21 February, 2018, 03:56:23 PM
My volume 11 looks fine. Nothing bleeding onto the front or back.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 February, 2018, 08:16:36 PM
same
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 February, 2018, 12:00:29 PM
Couple new books & dates via facebook (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1948114745516848?comment_id=1948773722117617&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D). Was hoping they'd be a bit sooner than this:
Kingdom vol 2: issue 30 (10th October 2018)
Shakara  vol 2: issue 41 (13th March 2019)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 February, 2018, 02:29:57 PM
October for more Kingdom? Well, nuts. And that's a long time to wait for the end of Shakara. Oh well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 27 February, 2018, 06:04:58 PM
lmao at the resolution of robo hunter: verdus.

robo genocide, burn all the 'sims' then ride off into the sunset with some babes
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 27 February, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
My local thrill merchant has just retired and ive decided to subscribe to both the 2000ad ultimate collection and the remaining issues of the Judge Dredd Mega collection.
Whilst i wish i had subscribed earlier to nab the free gifts i dont regret supporting my local thrill merchant since the release of these as he handled the thrill power with tender loving care and was a big Dredd/2000ad fan himself. Will miss our chats
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 February, 2018, 07:20:47 PM
If you want the gifts, they show up quite often online anyway. I think I still have some of mine on eBay and knocking about the place (like the tin of coasters, and a ceramic cup).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 27 February, 2018, 07:37:21 PM
If you want the gifts, they show up quite often online anyway. I think I still have some of mine on eBay and knocking about the place (like the tin of coasters, and a ceramic cup).
Cheers for info mate. Just had a look and are those Ultimate collection Nemesis figures worth that money? They look great dont get me wrong! Its just a lot of cash for one figurine?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 February, 2018, 09:33:50 PM
Depends if you like figurines, I suppose. They're not my cup of tea, but given how much they're going for on eBay, I almost wish I'd subscribed to the premium version of the collection and sold the ones I didn't care for on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 February, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 27 February, 2018, 12:00:29 PM
Couple new books & dates via facebook (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1948114745516848?comment_id=1948773722117617&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D). Was hoping they'd be a bit sooner than this:
Kingdom vol 2: issue 30 (10th October 2018)
Shakara  vol 2: issue 41 (13th March 2019)

Ugh, that's disappointing.  Not unexpected, but disappointing none the less.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 February, 2018, 01:08:20 PM
Also answered on Facebook that Nemesis volume 4 will be issue 42. So a year after vol. 3.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 28 February, 2018, 02:51:57 PM
Whole bunch of cover reveals up at ForbiddenPlanet.com

Volume 16 - Nemesis Volume Three
https://forbiddenplanet.com/230849-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-16-nemesis-the-warlock-volume-3/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230849-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-16-nemesis-the-warlock-volume-3/)

Volume 17 - Zombo
https://forbiddenplanet.com/230850-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-17-zombo/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230850-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-17-zombo/)

Volume 18 - Slaine Volume One
https://forbiddenplanet.com/230851-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-18-slaine-volume-1/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230851-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-18-slaine-volume-1/)

Volume 19 - Nikolai Dante Volume Three
https://forbiddenplanet.com/230852-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-19-nikolai-dante-volume-3/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230852-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-19-nikolai-dante-volume-3/)

Volume 20 - Strontium Dog Volume Two
https://forbiddenplanet.com/230853-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-20-strontium-dog-volume-2/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230853-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-20-strontium-dog-volume-2/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 28 February, 2018, 03:04:20 PM
It would seem that if Volume 20 is going to be another Strontium Dog volume then two of us have been given conflicting and totally incorrect information about the release of the Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later and Skizz/DR & Quinch volumes.

I've asked on FB again for answers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 28 February, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Good God. Does any of this actually matter? My books turn up. I read them. I put them on a shelf. What number volume a specific delivery is going to be in several months' time...? I just don't get it!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 28 February, 2018, 03:29:57 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 28 February, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Good God. Does any of this actually matter? My books turn up. I read them. I put them on a shelf. What number volume a specific delivery is going to be in several months' time...? I just don't get it!

Sucks to be you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 28 February, 2018, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 28 February, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Good God. Does any of this actually matter?

Frankly, no. But then, this is the internet, so...  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 February, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 28 February, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Good God. Does any of this actually matter?

It does if you're a cherry picker - we need to know when to make the trek to the shops!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 February, 2018, 04:33:57 PM
Although you probably don't need to plan it out three months in advance. Unless you are VERY good/mad with scheduling.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 February, 2018, 04:34:50 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 28 February, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Good God. Does any of this actually matter? My books turn up. I read them. I put them on a shelf. What number volume a specific delivery is going to be in several months' time...? I just don't get it!

I'm watching code compile, a pointless discussion about volume numbers and delivery dates nicely fills those empty couple of minutes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 28 February, 2018, 05:09:48 PM
Also a cherry picker, and needing to know whether to wait for future volumes when ordering my books from Hatchette (to get the free postage) or just get them straightaway. Apart from vol1 in Asda I've yet to see any of these on sale in an actual shop (in Perth).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 28 February, 2018, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 February, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 28 February, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Good God. Does any of this actually matter?

It does if you're a cherry picker - we need to know when to make the trek to the shops!

This.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 February, 2018, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: oddballuk on 28 February, 2018, 03:04:20 PM
It would seem that if Volume 20 is going to be another Strontium Dog volume then two of us have been given conflicting and totally incorrect information about the release of the Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later and Skizz/DR & Quinch volumes.

I've asked on FB again for answers.
Good on you for asking again. FP have been wrong with their Transformers solicits before but expect in this case something else is awry.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 01 March, 2018, 02:43:23 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 28 February, 2018, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: oddballuk on 28 February, 2018, 03:04:20 PM
It would seem that if Volume 20 is going to be another Strontium Dog volume then two of us have been given conflicting and totally incorrect information about the release of the Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later and Skizz/DR & Quinch volumes.

I've asked on FB again for answers.
Good on you for asking again. FP have been wrong with their Transformers solicits before but expect in this case something else is awry.

Got a response:

QuoteSkizz will be issue 29 and Hewligan's Haircut will be issue 59.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: gurnard on 01 March, 2018, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 28 February, 2018, 05:09:48 PM
Also a cherry picker, and needing to know whether to wait for future volumes when ordering my books from Hatchette (to get the free postage) or just get them straightaway. Apart from vol1 in Asda I've yet to see any of these on sale in an actual shop (in Perth).


Same as that, but Belgium.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 01 March, 2018, 03:27:35 PM
I actually saw a copy of the first Rogue Trooper volume in my local ASDA last night. Totally surprised as I've not seen 'any' volume there since the first one.

Fingers crossed that means it is selling out!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 March, 2018, 12:08:50 AM
I think Rogue goes down as the volume which has most exceeded my expectations so far.  What I knew of the character/story before the book turned up didn't really appeal.  It turned out to be far more enjoyable than I expected.  Looking forward to the next volume and the continuation of his tale.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 02 March, 2018, 12:43:56 AM
Quote from: sintec on 02 March, 2018, 12:08:50 AM
I think Rogue goes down as the volume which has most exceeded my expectations so far.  What I knew of the character/story before the book turned up didn't really appeal.  It turned out to be far more enjoyable than I expected.  Looking forward to the next volume and the continuation of his tale.
Early Rogue is great. Hugely enjoyable. I think. Personally I'll get around to rereading these one day and stop after the Gibbons experiment. I doubt that 90's Rogue will feature, I had the misfortune to read that a couple years back. The irony being, the Ultimate Collection is focussing on key series, presenting them completely, but you can't reprint Fleischer.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 02 March, 2018, 08:26:07 AM
Is none of the Friday stuff in the Tales from Nu Earth trades?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 02 March, 2018, 08:46:11 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 02 March, 2018, 08:26:07 AM
Is none of the Friday stuff in the Tales from Nu Earth trades?
No. It's the original continuity stuff only.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2018, 08:54:31 AM
War Machine is good. The John Smith Fr1day tales are at least interesting. Pretty much everything else is a waste of time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 02 March, 2018, 09:35:56 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2018, 08:54:31 AM
War Machine is good. The John Smith Fr1day tales are at least interesting. Pretty much everything else is a waste of time.

Hell of a waste of great artists too.  R. Smith, Coleby, Flint, Weston... tragic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 02 March, 2018, 09:46:36 AM
I started reading the prog in about 1993, so Friday was my Rogue. I have fond memories of some of those stories, especially the Chris Weston-illustrated ones. I have clear memories of one where Friday is shot to bits and there's a great image of him lay on a medical bed literally full of holes. I'd love to find that image again.

So the Rogue/Friday crossover stuff isn't collected either?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2018, 10:32:26 AM
Not that I'm aware of. The Gibbons/Simpson War Machine has been reprinted several times, and I'm fairly sure very early bits of the strip (Fleisher/Smith) were reprinted in US 'Quality' Comics (or whatever it was called by that point). But I don't recall the White-scripted stuff having been reprinted. Post-Rogue strips (Tor Cyan) ended up in the Meg floppies, but that's about it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 03 March, 2018, 12:23:40 AM
I got a letter in with my delivery today saying that they are doing 4 64 page special edition books covering 40 years of 2000AD covers.
they will be £14.99 each & there will be a slipcase to store them in. each volume will cover a decade 70's,80's 90's & 2000 onwards.
If you are a subscriber you will automatically be sent them unless you contact them to cancel the order
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 March, 2018, 08:13:12 AM
Quote from: rogue69 on 03 March, 2018, 12:23:40 AM
I got a letter in with my delivery today saying that they are doing 4 64 page special edition books covering 40 years of 2000AD covers.
they will be £14.99 each & there will be a slipcase to store them in. each volume will cover a decade 70's,80's 90's & 2000 onwards.
If you are a subscriber you will automatically be sent them unless you contact them to cancel the order
I've opted to cancel mine after some initial excitement, £15 for just the first of four covers books I would rather spend on more stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 March, 2018, 09:39:00 AM
I've decided to go with the cover volumes.

Considering I'm paying out over £800 for the series I really would like it complete and, in the grand scheme of things, another £60, spread out over a few years, doesn't seem worth not having a complete collection.

But I can fully understand those opting out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 03 March, 2018, 11:23:26 AM
£15 for all 4 then I'd have said yes but I've cancelled mine - paying 50% more than a standard volume for around 75% less content isn't a good deal, & a book of random covers is non-essential for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 03 March, 2018, 01:31:45 PM
I'm not a subscriber so I assume I can't get these.

What I already have is the art of Judge Dredd book from a few years ago.  I am guessing there will be a fair amount of overlap with that(?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 03 March, 2018, 02:13:57 PM
Presumably about one in five will be Dredd covers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 03 March, 2018, 02:24:56 PM
QuoteI have clear memories of one where Friday is shot to bits and there's a great image of him lay on a medical bed literally full of holes. I'd love to find that image again.

Prog 901.

(//)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 03 March, 2018, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 03 March, 2018, 01:31:45 PM
I'm not a subscriber so I assume I can't get these.

What I already have is the art of Judge Dredd book from a few years ago.  I am guessing there will be a fair amount of overlap with that(?)
The letter states that it's a special price for subscribers so would assume that they'll be available to non-subscribers at some point, but I guess you'd then need to pay more than the 'special offer' bargain price of £15 per issue if you wanted them.

I'd have been more interested in them if they were bigger books but 64pgs seems a bit limited to cover a decade of a weekly comic. Doesn't the Ultimate Collection already include reprints of some of the relevant covers, so a covers special edition will either have to exclude any covers which have already been reprinted or else duplicate some covers that have already been printed in the standard issues. Either way its not an ideal situation.

I'd have preferred something like a series of sketchbooks, like the 64pg book which is one of the upcoming subscriber gifts.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 03 March, 2018, 03:40:19 PM
Quote from: Richard on 03 March, 2018, 02:24:56 PM
QuoteI have clear memories of one where Friday is shot to bits and there's a great image of him lay on a medical bed literally full of holes. I'd love to find that image again.

Prog 901.

(//)

Oh that's brilliant. Triggers something way back in the murky recesses of my grey matter. Will have to dig those old stories out again as see if they were as bad as people say.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 03 March, 2018, 04:21:16 PM
The Steve White Rogue stuff is mostly pretty solid from what I remember. Not mind-blowing but it delivered a lot of action and even some emotional punch (Friday's relationship with Midge was pretty good - or was that in the Abnett stuff from around the same time?). It was running when I rejoined the prog around 1993. Some great art from Tappin and Flint (and probably others). I was a bit confused about the reboot because I missed the War Machine and (thankfully) all the Fleischer stuff, but still enjoyed the strip at the time. It was nice to see Rogue in colour too, after all the classic stuff about this blue guy being in black and white!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 March, 2018, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 03 March, 2018, 01:31:45 PM


What I already have is the art of Judge Dredd book from a few years ago.  I am guessing there will be a fair amount of overlap with that(?)

One of the reasons I want these books is because of that Judge Dredd book. I have all the progs but I love that book and I love the cover galleries of that book but I always wanted to see the other covers without having to dig the buggers out of a box. Not only that I'm hoping that the covers will look better than my decades old version. Worth the money imo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 03 March, 2018, 06:14:25 PM
The War Machine is brilliant, and it deserves to be in this collection. Exquisite art and a good, well-written story.

There's a good one-off by John Smith and Chris Weston about some alien flying jellyfish that suck the juice out of people.

There's a decent Judge Dredd crossover story by Wagner.

Other than that, there's not much to commend Friday really.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 March, 2018, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 03 March, 2018, 04:21:16 PMI was a bit confused about the reboot
So were the writers, judging by the mess the series became.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 March, 2018, 08:30:01 PM
Was that the 'Galactic Hitman' stories you're referencing there?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goosegash on 03 March, 2018, 08:46:10 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 March, 2018, 08:30:01 PM
Was that the 'Galactic Hitman' stories you're referencing there?

Presumably the "Hit" story arc that had Rogue employed by some shadowy aliens to carry out a series of assassinations, which ended midway through(after getting shunted off to a Sci-Fi Special) because everyone got sick of it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 March, 2018, 10:07:23 PM
I wouldn't be averse to it being reprinted but not desperate.  From the start up to the Horst arc was good, and the attempts at peace.  Also the content from Cinnabar and the Realpolitik book.  I did like the 86ers as well.

Never read Friday so I can't comment, ditto with Tor Cyan.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 03 March, 2018, 10:09:11 PM
He specifically said "reboot."

Which wasn't confusing at all when it started, until Tharg made the mistake of pandering to the demands of some stupid readers who apparently were confused and didn't get that it was a reboot and kept asking how Friday fitted into Rogue's universe. Then we had that ridiculous fiasco when Friday and Rogue met each other, something no sane person ever wanted or expected to happen. The nadir of the '90s.

Never give the people what they want. At least, not the retarded ones.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 March, 2018, 11:08:40 PM
I was only commenting that I had never read Friday or Tor Cyan, therefore I can't comment on the story quality.  I know Rafe from the 86ers was part of the mainstream universe.

I do remember reading Rogue up until the end of the peace talks after the Nort and Souther high command were offed, then the strip took a break.  Round about then was originally when I stopped reading the Prog, hence why I've got such a gap in my knowledge of some of the stuff that's appearing in this collection and Dredd.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 04 March, 2018, 01:30:18 AM
Quote from: Richard on 03 March, 2018, 06:14:25 PM
There's a good one-off by John Smith and Chris Weston about some alien flying jellyfish that suck the juice out of people.

I think that's Shock Tactics, from the Sci-Fi special 1993. There's also a Smith & Weston collaboration in the 1993 Yearbook, Enfleshings, as strange and wonderful as you could wish for.

Hoping the collection will include Cinnabar and War Machine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 04 March, 2018, 03:53:36 PM
ah enfleshlings aka what happens if friday took a wrong turn at alburquque and ended up in the last few episodes of killing time
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 04 March, 2018, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 March, 2018, 11:08:40 PM
I was only commenting that I had never read Friday or Tor Cyan, therefore I can't comment on the story quality.  I know Rafe from the 86ers was part of the mainstream universe.

For what it's worth, I genuinely seemed to be one of the few people who adored 'The 86ers'. I was very sad we only ever got enough for one collection of it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 March, 2018, 05:18:55 PM
The first time I read the collected book I was a bit 'meh' about it, but a reread I loved it. Might have been my personal mood at the time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 March, 2018, 11:09:59 PM
Volume 1 of Rogue Trooper was OK. Some good elements (Dreamweavers, Bland & Brass), but the younger me that first read these stories enjoyed them more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GaryUK on 06 March, 2018, 10:05:15 PM
Cover to #16 is now up on Hatchette's site (Nemesis the Warlock vol.3), but it's different to the one on Forbidden Planet's site.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 March, 2018, 10:33:49 PM
I enjoyed volume 1 of Rogue Trooper, but the strip was definitely finding its feet there.  You can tell there was a change of artist part way through the "All Hell on the DIX-I Front" story as Sister Sledges chem-helmet changed from a large clear helmet to a more conventional souther style helmet with just the clear faceplate.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 March, 2018, 10:33:09 AM
Quote from: GaryUK on 06 March, 2018, 10:05:15 PM
Cover to #16 is now up on Hatchette's site (Nemesis the Warlock vol.3), but it's different to the one on Forbidden Planet's site.
Loving the John Hicklenton cover there (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/nemesis-the-warlock-volume-three). The FP one (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230849-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-16-nemesis-the-warlock-volume-3/) was always a temporary one as evidenced by the lack of proper design to the title.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 07 March, 2018, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 March, 2018, 08:30:01 PM
Was that the 'Galactic Hitman' stories you're referencing there?

I loved that series when it ran in the prog and used to pore over the pages.Its only recently I found out it got wound up in a special or something.Still don't know how it ended.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 March, 2018, 01:21:50 PM
The Hit was abruptly nuked in the second 2000 AD Winter Special. The Dillon/Weston tale [spoiler]rapidly got us up to speed on The Hit, had Rogue shoot a bunch of Norts, and then randomly meet a drunk and an assassin. The latter notes she had Rogue cold and could have killed him several times, but chose not to, because she smelled a rat. She reveals the aliens were – SHOCK! – treating the universe as a game, rather than having Rogue take people out to bring peace to every world. Rogue's teleport device is removed and shown to have been fogging his senses and also that it's booby trapped.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]By a fortunate coincidence, drunk bloke is a scientist, who can get everyone through the security system protecting Rogue's final hit. Rogue then kills a bunch of guards, because Rogue. There's a mention of the target playing both sides, and he's sent by Rogue to Nu-Earth as punishment. But now Rogue knows the aliens will be after him, he leaves his kit with the drunk and assassin, before legging it, on the basis he's now a liability. The epilogue shows the assassin got the drunk off the booze, got his lab up and running, and he re-gened the trio, albeit without their memories intact. The end.[/spoiler]

Naturally, this was all massively contradicted by the subsequent mess that occurred when Fr1day Rogue was mashed into the original continuity, with all the subtlety and grace of a toddler smushing beans into mashed potato.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 March, 2018, 05:35:47 PM
The interfering aliens sound suspiciously similar to the Polity in the VCs
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 07 March, 2018, 05:41:04 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 07 March, 2018, 10:33:09 AM
Quote from: GaryUK on 06 March, 2018, 10:05:15 PM
Cover to #16 is now up on Hatchette's site (Nemesis the Warlock vol.3), but it's different to the one on Forbidden Planet's site.
Loving the John Hicklenton cover there (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/nemesis-the-warlock-volume-three). The FP one (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230849-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-16-nemesis-the-warlock-volume-3/) was always a temporary one as evidenced by the lack of proper design to the title.

I'd always thought that Nemesis was naked in that Hicklenton drawing. It now appears he is wearing some red skin-hugging trousers. Astonishing artwork nonetheless.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 10 March, 2018, 04:22:51 PM
Nikolai Dante is incredibly good. I love how the second volume is almost all ~3 parters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 13 March, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
My payment for issues 13-14 was taken on 2 Feb, and I received them on 9 Feb. Curiously it looks like my fee for 15-16 has yet to be taken. Anyone in a similar position, or received 15-16 yet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 13 March, 2018, 10:32:11 AM
Exactly the same position here.  I contacted them via facebook and they told me that there are no problems.  The next books should be despatched this week and the online account details updated in time for the shipment after that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 March, 2018, 11:11:02 AM
Yup. Waiting, waiting.

From my own FB inquiry was told the shipment was generated 2nd March as expected, should be here this week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 13 March, 2018, 11:24:34 AM
Ah, so it's just a delay in updating the payment details on our accounts? Fair enough.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: walrus on 14 March, 2018, 05:32:31 AM
My issue 15 and 16 turned up yesterday and I normally get them a day after some others on here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 March, 2018, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: walrus on 14 March, 2018, 05:32:31 AM
My issue 15 and 16 turned up yesterday and I normally get them a day after some others on here.
Nothing again today. At least they are arriving though!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 March, 2018, 02:31:36 PM
Anyone else get theirs yet? What about that covers book? That's supposed to be included for those that wanted it this delivery. I opted out. My Transformers books just turned up on time; they are usually the following week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 March, 2018, 03:04:56 PM
Nope – nothing. A replacement I requested hasn't shown up either. Bah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 16 March, 2018, 03:14:05 PM
Nowt here either.  And the deafening sound of silence to a message sent on facebook.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 16 March, 2018, 05:11:14 PM
Nothing here and no indication on the website either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 16 March, 2018, 06:40:22 PM
Had a reply on Facebook apparently there are running low on stock of the premium figures so will be sending issues 15 and 16 in 7 to 14 days without the figure, how they can run low of stock for something that they already know how many they need is unfortunately not a shock compared to how smooth the Jd collection was, I have had to chase them up every time for the free gifts and am still waiting for the book ends, also weren't the cover book meant to be this month.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 March, 2018, 07:25:35 PM
Also, that makes no sense given that people without the figure don't have their books either. Sounds like there's been a production or logistics cock-up somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 17 March, 2018, 02:30:31 AM
I get mine reserved at my local comic shop in Preston every fortnight, got issue 15 with my prog as usual on Wednesday as normal. It's a thing of beauty, well worth the wait! Classic modern Stront in my opinion
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 March, 2018, 09:13:17 PM
A damned good book, a couple of the stories had pacing issues being either slightly shorter or longer than they needed to be but enjoyable none the less.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 17 March, 2018, 10:43:20 PM
Reading Vol 12 I was really struck by just how good the Flashback-era Stronts are.  While I always enjoyed these stories, I'm not sure I appreciated them fully when they were originally running, but I've found both of the modern volumes to be terrific reads, up there with mid-period SD. 

I suspect part of this is a side effect  of knowing about Johnny's eventual resurrection, so that these stories feel like they are adding to a continuing story (the introduction of Precious, for example), rather than just squishing themselves into one that was already over. Whatever the reason, I'm very glad to have these on the shelf at last.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 19 March, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
Still nothing, neither payment not delivery.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 March, 2018, 11:24:15 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 19 March, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
Still nothing, neither payment not delivery.
Nor here. Wrote them on FB and got a reply suggesting they will send new books:
QuoteFurther to this question, still nothing has arrived and still the My Account Page for this subscription has not been updated to include this delivery. My Transformers books arrived Friday and the Judge Dredd one has already listed the next delivery.
Please can you check my delivery again.
QuoteHi Tom

A request for your missing issues 13 and 14 has been logged. You will receive your issues within 7-14 working days, in the meantime your next despatch of issues 15 and 16 is due to be confirmed.

Kind regards
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 19 March, 2018, 12:02:12 PM
I contacted them via Facebook too:

"Kindly note that we are running out of stock for the special edition which was supposed to be sent out with issue 15 and 16 that has led to the delay of the dispatch ,but we have skipped the the special and sent issue 15 and 16 only. allow 7-14 days for delivery"

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 March, 2018, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 19 March, 2018, 12:02:12 PM
I contacted them via Facebook too:

"Kindly note that we are running out of stock for the special edition which was supposed to be sent out with issue 15 and 16 that has led to the delay of the dispatch ,but we have skipped the the special and sent issue 15 and 16 only. allow 7-14 days for delivery"
So offering a special item the month before and then allowing subbers to decide whether they want it or not has obviously proved more complicated than they thought!!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 March, 2018, 01:08:50 PM
I figured it might be something like this. Daft, really.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 19 March, 2018, 01:51:34 PM
The really daft thing is why they don't just stick a post on their facebook page apologising and explaining what the reason for the delay is.  It makes far more sense to engage with customers proactively like that than just leave people in the dark.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 March, 2018, 02:46:42 PM
It's daft. The sensible thing would be, as you say, a public post. And just get the standard books out ASAP. They're an odd lot.

Also, this just makes them come across as poor from a customer service standpoint, when in fact the company is, broadly speaking, pretty good. (I've had quite a few book replacements. I've never had to send anything back.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 March, 2018, 10:03:10 AM
Checking Hachette site's account page daily to see if anything happens. Today the February delivery has been tweaked to list the package's actual contents rather than a single line to show something is happening, more in keeping with the way the JDMC works on their site. Still nothing for March.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 March, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
Got a response:

QuoteKindly note that we are running out of stock for the special edition which was supposed to be sent out with issue 15 and 16 that has led to the delay of the dispatch ,but we have skipped the the special and sent issue 15 and 16 only. allow 7-14 days for delivery

And then when I asked how/when the SE would be sent:

QuoteWe still have havn't received confirmation yet, but the special edition is due with issues 15 and 16 but if there is still a stock shortage of the items they will be sent with issues 17 and 18.

You might note how the second reply contradicts the first neatly regarding whether my books have actually shipped yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 March, 2018, 11:54:52 AM
wonder if anyone has gotten the SE yet. Did anyone on here say they got their delivery?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 22 March, 2018, 12:55:43 PM
Enjoying SD: TTHK. Think I like the Mork Whisperer most, as although I was used to Wulf being the commentator on Johnny's moral compass, it was great to see Middenface and the gang. Is this story set after Wulf's death?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 22 March, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
Was wondering that meself! My feeling is that it's before he meets/collects Wulf, as it's an almost direct sequel to Blood Moon,  which from conversations on Freedonia appears to be early in Johnny's career.

My favourite was The Glum Affair,  which seemed to drag a bit week to week,  but in this collected form is as good a caper as any in the strip's history - I love the stories where Johnny and Wulf have to scheme to get their earnings as high as possible.

Do we know if we're getting Roadhouse and the Tax Inspector stories,  or indeed Life and Death?  I've got a bad Stront hunger after this one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 March, 2018, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 March, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
Do we know if we're getting Roadhouse and the Tax Inspector stories,  or indeed Life and Death?  I've got a bad Stront hunger after this one.

Life and Death is indeed confirmed as incoming - cannot wait to read the whole of that saga under one cover!

Really intrigued on your thoughts of Glum Affair, as that was one of my least-favourite Stronts to date reading it week-by-week, and its inclusion here (at the expense of Roadhouse or Tax Dodge) a big part of the reason for my skipping this volume. Now I'm reconsidering...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 22 March, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 22 March, 2018, 12:55:43 PM
Enjoying SD: TTHK. Think I like the Mork Whisperer most, as although I was used to Wulf being the commentator on Johnny's moral compass, it was great to see Middenface and the gang. Is this story set after Wulf's death?

Since all 3 SD Agent Stix Bros are alive, it's before the Schicklegruber grab, I think I had it pegged as shortly before the Ragnarok Job as well, although it could also be in the gap where Johnny has Sniffer Martinez as a partner but after he has met Wulf (Starlord story) - yeah I know it's all strip in development...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 26 March, 2018, 11:45:36 AM
Still no books or money taken. Getting a bit grumpy now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 26 March, 2018, 01:33:13 PM
I phoned up today and was assured a delivery was going out friday. No payments been taken or books delivered since start of Feb, (12 was my last delivery and 16 is in the shops)
No similar issues with the JD collection though, the latest of which came through today
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 26 March, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
I was told on the 19th March that they were sending out issues 15 and 16 and to allow 7-14 days for delivery.  Assuming what I was told was the truth then I'm expecting them to turn up some time this week.

Bizarrely, on friendface there still hasn't been any kind of official comment about this, but whenever anyone asks about them they get asked to PM their details so they can look into it.  I really can't get my head round why they don't just stick a post up apologising and letting people know what they're doing to fix it.  Why piss off your subscribers?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 March, 2018, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 26 March, 2018, 01:33:13 PM
I phoned up today and was assured a delivery was going out friday. No payments been taken or books delivered since start of Feb, (12 was my last delivery and 16 is in the shops)
No similar issues with the JD collection though, the latest of which came through today
Of course, this Friday will be 28 days since the March dispatch would have gone ahead, so we are officially a month behind now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 March, 2018, 04:55:21 PM
...and I have just had a reply on FB confirming future dispatches will slide accordingly.

(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29512256_10155127852166513_6014744242250067486_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=af8d8d4ca2fb34f130ffa65b1193a6e4&oe=5B394627)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2018, 08:43:10 PM
Tell them that's not acceptable and if they need to bill twice within a month, they should do so. No point subscribing if you get the books long after they've been in the shops.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 27 March, 2018, 12:31:39 AM
This is farcical. Their phone line is unbelievable. Helpful staff when you can make out what they are saying due to bad connection. Subscribing and getting books after they out in shop is unacceptable. What a shoddy way to treat customers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 27 March, 2018, 07:50:22 AM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 27 March, 2018, 12:31:39 AM
This is farcical. Their phone line is unbelievable. Helpful staff when you can make out what they are saying due to bad connection. Subscribing and getting books after they out in shop is unacceptable. What a shoddy way to treat customers.

That's Hachette for you.
On the flipside, Eaglemoss' customer service is based in this country, has clear phone lines, and excellent staff. Dealing with the two companies could not be more different in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 27 March, 2018, 09:16:54 AM
I look forward to being reminded every week on the back of 2000ad I'm weeks behind because I subscribe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 March, 2018, 09:39:25 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2018, 08:43:10 PM
Tell them that's not acceptable and if they need to bill twice within a month, they should do so. No point subscribing if you get the books long after they've been in the shops.
Will you be doing this? I have my doubts if it will work. I understand you and some others managed to catch up on the JDMC by double-shipping but we are all already at the 'front' of the subscriber queue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 27 March, 2018, 03:40:18 PM
Can't say it bothers me unduly.
They come when they come. I read them, it's all stuff I've read before, and they go on the shelf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 March, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
Nemesis vol. 3 has Torquemada the God, Books 7-9, the photo-story from Prog 534 but not the one from the sci-fi special, Shape of Things to Come and Bride of the Warlock. Looking forward to getting stuck in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 28 March, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
Wondering what that leaves for Nemesis vol 4. That Hammer of Warlocks interlude, Nem v Deadlock, Book 10 and the recent anniversary one off? Would that fill a whole book?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 28 March, 2018, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 27 March, 2018, 03:40:18 PM
Can't say it bothers me unduly.
They come when they come. I read them, it's all stuff I've read before, and they go on the shelf.

More or less exactly how I feel about it, TBH...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 March, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
Shape of Things to Come is a weird choice, as it sets up Hammer of Warlocks and the whole final act. Would have made much more sense to have it kick off the last volume...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 March, 2018, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 28 March, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
Wondering what that leaves for Nemesis vol 4. That Hammer of Warlocks interlude, Nem v Deadlock, Book 10 and the recent anniversary one off? Would that fill a whole book?

By my reckoning from Barney, these add up to about 140 pages. I'm hoping the Diceman strips will make it in there too. Plus the other photo story?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 March, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 28 March, 2018, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 28 March, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
Wondering what that leaves for Nemesis vol 4. That Hammer of Warlocks interlude, Nem v Deadlock, Book 10 and the recent anniversary one off? Would that fill a whole book?

By my reckoning from Barney, these add up to about 140 pages. I'm hoping the Diceman strips will make it in there too. Plus the other photo story?

The Deadlock solo, Tomb of Torquemada, Torquemada's Second Honeymoon... That's another 70-odd pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tinmachine on 30 March, 2018, 01:09:36 PM
Volume 2 has just been released in Australia, and finally have a copy of Halo Jones.

I do think this is a series I'll cherry pick for the most part. Have the Rebellion editions of Rogue Trooper, Strontium Dog, Robot Hunter, ABC Warriors and Zenith. Just don't want to double up on these stories.

So will look to get Nikolai Dante, Slaine and Nemesis. Although the Nemesis trades seem easy enough to get from Book Depository.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 30 March, 2018, 06:12:14 PM
if we didn't get starlord stront (or even robusters) what chance will we have of diceman
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 30 March, 2018, 10:47:06 PM
I know a large part of this collection is going to be long running stories like Slaine, Strontium Dog etc, but what will we get of Invasion/Bill Savage, and will we be getting Flesh or Meltdown Man?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 30 March, 2018, 11:02:35 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 28 March, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
Wondering what that leaves for Nemesis vol 4. That Hammer of Warlocks interlude, Nem v Deadlock, Book 10 and the recent anniversary one off? Would that fill a whole book?

The Deadlock / President Purity story?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 31 March, 2018, 12:33:39 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 30 March, 2018, 10:47:06 PM
...and will we be getting Flesh or Meltdown Man?

Meltdown Man yes, Flesh no.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 31 March, 2018, 02:04:34 PM
In terms of Specials for Nemesis book 4, I am hoping that all of the following is included:

A Day In The Death Of Torquemada - 2000ad Annual 1984
Torture Tube - Diceman 1
The Garden Of Alien Delights - Diceman 3
Forbidden Planet - 2000ad Sci-Fi Special 1987
Torquemada's Second Honeymoon - 2000ad Annual 1988
Tomb of Torquemada - Nemesis Poster Prog
Warlocks and Wizards - 2000ad Prog 700
The Enigmass Variations - 2000ad Progs 723-729

Hopefully all of the above will complement the end of the regular story and provide the complete experience. If they could be reprinted in colour it would be especially good, as some of the repro in the previous Nemesis phonebooks was extremely murky.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Timothy on 31 March, 2018, 05:34:51 PM
All of that would be nice. Are we going to get the final final story from last year too?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 April, 2018, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 31 March, 2018, 02:04:34 PM
In terms of Specials for Nemesis book 4, I am hoping that all of the following is included:

A Day In The Death Of Torquemada - 2000ad Annual 1984
Torture Tube - Diceman 1
The Garden Of Alien Delights - Diceman 3
Forbidden Planet - 2000ad Sci-Fi Special 1987
Torquemada's Second Honeymoon - 2000ad Annual 1988
Tomb of Torquemada - Nemesis Poster Prog
Warlocks and Wizards - 2000ad Prog 700
The Enigmass Variations - 2000ad Progs 723-729

Kev O' Neill is a strong draw, so you would hope they've held back those annual/special stories of his to have appear in the final volume. I couldn't care less about Enigmass Variations to be honest (though it'll no doubt make an appearance anyway) but it'd be nice to see all the rest - Deadlock is the one I'm really keeping my fingers crossed for.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 02 April, 2018, 11:23:09 AM
I'm struggling to remember most of that Nemesis stuff, and if it was in specials then I may not have seen it before, so it'll be great if it is all included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tinmachine on 02 April, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 31 March, 2018, 02:04:34 PM
In terms of Specials for Nemesis book 4, I am hoping that all of the following is included:

A Day In The Death Of Torquemada - 2000ad Annual 1984
Torture Tube - Diceman 1
The Garden Of Alien Delights - Diceman 3
Forbidden Planet - 2000ad Sci-Fi Special 1987
Torquemada's Second Honeymoon - 2000ad Annual 1988
Tomb of Torquemada - Nemesis Poster Prog
Warlocks and Wizards - 2000ad Prog 700
The Enigmass Variations - 2000ad Progs 723-729

Hopefully all of the above will complement the end of the regular story and provide the complete experience. If they could be reprinted in colour it would be especially good, as some of the repro in the previous Nemesis phonebooks was extremely murky.

You would recommend these over he phonebooks? A little torn over which collection to buy. The Deviant Edition is very tempting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 02 April, 2018, 02:23:02 PM
The Deviant / Termight edition is gorgeous, albeit incomplete as it only includes the first three books.  Arguably it works as an accompaniment to the B&W rendition.  Having said that, I always felt that Nemesis crawled up itself a little after Book 4.  As impressive as some of the artwork was, the storytelling was nowhere near as fresh as in the early books.  That being the case, I'd love to see Talbot's early work colorised but I'm happy to stop with the end of the Gothic Empire storyline.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 02 April, 2018, 02:32:37 PM
Also Bride of the Warlock in the 1992 Winter Special.

My favourite Nemesis stories are books V and VI, so each to their own. Loved the Monad and whatever the liquid people were called.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 April, 2018, 02:42:46 PM
I'd hope Bride of the Warlock is in sequence, given how important it is to the strip's continuity.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 April, 2018, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: Richard on 02 April, 2018, 02:32:37 PM
Also Bride of the Warlock in the 1992 Winter Special.

Except that it's already in Volume 3...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 02 April, 2018, 03:24:13 PM
Oh good! I'd assumed that it wasn't, since there were some older stories on that wish list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 April, 2018, 05:06:08 PM
I enjoyed Nemesis volume 3 with the exception of Book 9, which seemed to me to be too meandering and with uninteresting peripheral characters. Not to detract from John Hicklenton's art, which is incredible at times, but the story just wasn't there for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 April, 2018, 09:24:20 AM
Holy good god - finally we have an entry on the Hachette Subs account page:
Quote
30 March 2018   Credit Card Payment - Thank you   -19.98
30 March 2018                                                         9.99
30 March 2018                                                         9.99
30 March 2018                                                         0.00
I hope that zero valued item is an apology letter!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 03 April, 2018, 10:03:17 AM
Mine just shows the payment, but then again that's all it's shown for this collection.  Beats me why.  I would ask Hachette but what would be the chances of getting a sensible explanation?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 April, 2018, 10:31:13 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 03 April, 2018, 10:03:17 AM
Mine just shows the payment, but then again that's all it's shown for this collection.  Beats me why.  I would ask Hachette but what would be the chances of getting a sensible explanation?

Mine does too and has since the start of the subscription.

I really can't be arsed to phone them up about it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 April, 2018, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 03 April, 2018, 10:31:13 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 03 April, 2018, 10:03:17 AM
Mine just shows the payment, but then again that's all it's shown for this collection.  Beats me why.  I would ask Hachette but what would be the chances of getting a sensible explanation?

Mine does too and has since the start of the subscription.

I really can't be arsed to phone them up about it.

Mine was the same until half way through last month when February's delivery seemed to 'come apart'. I have opted out of the covers book - what about you two? Maybe that's the difference.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 03 April, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Could be.  I didn't opt out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 April, 2018, 03:35:52 PM
I didn't opt out either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 April, 2018, 06:21:48 PM
Not me. Feels like we're finally getting a taste of what we've been lucky enough to avoid so far: total ineptitude.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 April, 2018, 10:07:07 AM
OK, today has a new surprise. On FB Julian James Orsborn-Smith‎ has been told:
QuoteAccording to the logistics issue 17 and 18 were sent to your address on the 30/03/2018 issues are in transit.
We have sent letters to explain when will issue 15 and 16 will be sent.

I have DM'd to ask for confirmation.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 04 April, 2018, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 April, 2018, 10:07:07 AM
OK, today has a new surprise. On FB Julian James Orsborn-Smith‎ has been told:
QuoteAccording to the logistics issue 17 and 18 were sent to your address on the 30/03/2018 issues are in transit.
We have sent letters to explain when will issue 15 and 16 will be sent.

I have DM'd to ask for confirmation.

Thus they have completely contradicted what I was told. I quote: "Kindly be advised that your issues 15&16 have been despatched (sic) on 30/03/2018".

I suppose at least they provide comedy value if nothing else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 April, 2018, 10:28:10 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 04 April, 2018, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 April, 2018, 10:07:07 AM
OK, today has a new surprise. On FB Julian James Orsborn-Smith‎ has been told:
QuoteAccording to the logistics issue 17 and 18 were sent to your address on the 30/03/2018 issues are in transit.
We have sent letters to explain when will issue 15 and 16 will be sent.

I have DM'd to ask for confirmation.

Thus they have completely contradicted what I was told. I quote: "Kindly be advised that your issues 15&16 have been despatched (sic) on 30/03/2018".

I suppose at least they provide comedy value if nothing else.

No more information in my DM reply, but expect it's a misprint in 15 & 16 somewhere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 04 April, 2018, 07:16:45 PM
So the exclusive Nemesis the Warlock figure only available with the premium subscription is now available in the 2000ad shop. It stinks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 April, 2018, 08:48:13 PM
That does seem like a curious decision – and, frankly, not a good one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 04 April, 2018, 08:59:34 PM
that kinda blows for those who got the premium sub....are we sure this is the same people who did the dredd one i don't recall anything this bad
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 April, 2018, 10:01:02 PM
My maths makes the premium figures £20 each? wheras they're selling them for £30 plus postage at the shop? Not to say they won't end up selling the others down the line though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 04 April, 2018, 11:32:12 PM
They obviously had some over and to offer them to people who read 2000ad seems fair enough.

Look at it as the extra production numbers made the item possible.

I'm not buying one but it's a bit of a silly thing to get angry over.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 04 April, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 04 April, 2018, 08:59:34 PM
that kinda blows for those who got the premium sub....are we sure this is the same people who did the dredd one i don't recall anything this bad

The first dredd exclusive print was available from Hachette for about a pound.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 05 April, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 04 April, 2018, 07:16:45 PM
So the exclusive Nemesis the Warlock figure only available with the premium subscription is now available in the 2000ad shop. It stinks.

I heard it was limited to 50 and none of the other figures will be available.

It's a cracking figure and I'm glad I paid the extra for it thus saving a tenner.

I have mine. Not bothered if they put them up for sale at extra cost.

Why deny another fan if they want one? unless you were planning to sell them on eBay
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 09:33:52 AM
Oh dear, what's going on here?

I note my subscription for March still hasn't come out (although my Hatchette account says it has) but maybe going by recent posts I should expect it to do so any day now.

Re: Nemesis figure on sale .. It seems like a no win situation. If they don't make it available to everyone;  people will complain. If they do make it available for everyone; people who signed up for the premium subscription will complain.

Making the excess available for general sale seems like a reasonable attempt to address this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 05 April, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
Personally I'd have to say I'm a bit ambivalent on the Nemesis figure decision.  If it was touted as a premium exclusive then it is a little disingenuous to then flog the surplus off.  That being the case it is understandable as to why folks might be a bit put out.  On the plus side, they've made them available through Rebellion so arguably it is a bit of an offering to long term fans who are most likely to be visitors to the shop.

Having said that, at least they've done it at a higher price than premium subscribers have been charged.  They seem to have learnt from the £1 premium print shafting that they gave Dredd collection subscribers.  (as an aside, has anyone had the last print yet? Number 6, not the extension print). 

I would assume that it would have been hard to gauge initial demand for these so probably the first one would have been stocked higher.  Once the first one has been released, subsequent figurines would presumably be more accurately stocked so less likely to be available for independent sale.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 05 April, 2018, 11:35:59 AM
All a bit of a moot point regarding the Nemesis figure- they were sold out by the time I checked the website at around 7.00pm last night.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 05 April, 2018, 02:10:33 PM
ah - that'll be why I can't find it in the shop! Bah!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 05:57:28 PM
@ TJM That might explain it but maybe they can only produce in batches of 50s or 100s so there may also be a few of the next one available too.

I fully understand the reluctance of long term collectors to sign up for another subscription when they may have these collections (?) already in a different format.

However when I see that Dan and Link can't purchase the figure it annoys me a little. Were board members given first dibs?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 05 April, 2018, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 05:57:28 PM
Were board members given first dibs?

Why on earth would they have been?!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 05 April, 2018, 06:12:53 PM
Not sure if boarders were given first dibs but first I knew about it was through ThrillMail (and pleased to see that I can read them again now) so whilst it may not have been 'exclusive' at least loyalty was rewarded in that respect.  I'm with Jim on this one though, no reason for giving board members any privilege over others.  I'd argue that subscribers would have been a better privileged group since they are willing to stump up their cash long term to give some sort of stability.  Maybe they will make an offering of later figurines.  Who knows.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
Well when Luke Kirby came out weren't board members offered a chance to buy it first with a limited edition art thing (sorry I can't remember the word) or did I just find out about that on the forum?

I just thought they *might* have given board members a heads up.

@ Jim, really, an interrobang? Is it really such a shocking suggestion?  ;)

I suppose it's my attempt to re-direct the anger I feel at the fact that I thought I was signing up to receive items only other premium subscribers could receive when in fact you can just buy IT IN THE F**KING SHOP... sorry chaps..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 05 April, 2018, 06:54:29 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
@ Jim, really, an interrobang? Is it really such a shocking suggestion?  ;)

Merely a logical escalation from your original inflammatory deployment of a question mark, a form of punctuation it has been conclusively proven can only be manufactured by state actors in laboratory conditions.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 April, 2018, 06:55:13 PM
Luke Kirby HB area's first announced in the email newsletter, and the news then swiftly made its way here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 07:19:26 PM


It's comeback has been predicted from 2014 .. maybe this is the start of that ..

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 April, 2018, 06:54:29 PM
Merely a logical escalation from your original inflammatory deployment of a question mark, a form of punctuation it has been conclusively proven can only be manufactured by state actors in laboratory conditions.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 April, 2018, 08:39:21 PM
Well I read Nemesis Volume 3, but then again I have the phone book editions.  I have to agree that I feel Nemesis peaked round about the time of the Gothic Empire.  Afterwards the stories were a mixed bag, some really good, some middling.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 05 April, 2018, 08:52:20 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
Well when Luke Kirby came out weren't board members offered a chance to buy it first with a limited edition art thing (sorry I can't remember the word) or did I just find out about that on the forum?

Are you talking about the bookplate edition?  Certainly that was exclusive to the Rebellion shop, as were the previous bookplate editions and the current Charley's War bookplates (regrettable paperbacks as well, but hey ho ... ).  So there is an element of privilege for boarders but not exclusivity.  I guess if you frequent these boards you are more likely to hear about them quickly.  As I say, my first awareness was through the Thrillcast so there you go.

BTW:  I hear that there are some websites that are currently exploring weaponising other punctuation marks.  The '!' was weaponised by the Tories some time ago but there are rumours that parentheses, elipses and full stops might be as well.  This is your 45 minute warning.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 10:23:24 PM
I have been otherwise occupied of late so I haven't been keeping up to date on the prog or online.

I have a stack of progs, megs and assorted to go through when I have free time ..

I am taking your advice to heart and have spent the last 15 minutes trying to figure out why Eric Trump has created a video on this very issue:

https://youtu.be/y5E8lbN9s1w

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 06 April, 2018, 07:11:17 AM
Just a one off ..

http://2000ad.com/post/3221
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 April, 2018, 10:59:39 AM
Any subscribers received anything yet?

Still waiting here :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: A.Cow on 08 April, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 05 April, 2018, 10:32:35 AMIf it was touted as a premium exclusive then it is a little disingenuous to then flog the surplus off.

Any product featuring the word 'exclusive' exists to benefit the vendor, not the consumer.

It's not uncommon to see an exclusive used as honey in a flytrap, and later sold off mainstream to squeeze the last bits of cash out of it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 08 April, 2018, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: sintec on 08 April, 2018, 10:59:39 AM
Any subscribers received anything yet?

Still waiting here :(

Nope, not yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 April, 2018, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: sintec on 08 April, 2018, 10:59:39 AM
Any subscribers received anything yet?

Still waiting here :(
I watched with excitement as my postie dumped a cardboard packet on the mat...!

But is was my reprint of JDMC #80 for the spine matching.

Yeash.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 09 April, 2018, 11:53:38 AM
Don't knock the reprint of 80! Happy to see the spine improved!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 April, 2018, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 09 April, 2018, 11:53:38 AM
Don't knock the reprint of 80! Happy to see the spine improved!
for sure, Rob.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 April, 2018, 10:32:10 PM
Nothing here. No JD reprint either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 April, 2018, 08:39:32 AM
Early post brings my sub box. Huzaah! Sketchbook included, bit skinnier than I anticipated. And no letter of apology or anything.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 April, 2018, 09:35:44 AM
Re the sketchbook, regardless of size (the website made out it was as chunky as the regular volumes) the content is excellent, including a better look at the unused section of the JDMC extension artwork (the bit that went 91-100)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 10 April, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
so is everyone else still waiting for 15 and 16 then ? 17 and 18 arrived for me today (along with a skinny sketch book)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2018, 09:43:21 AM
Quote from: James Stacey on 10 April, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
so is everyone else still waiting for 15 and 16 then ? 17 and 18 arrived for me today (along with a skinny sketch book)

Exactly the same here. Replacement #80 for JDMC and 17 & 19 plus sketchbook. No 15 and 16 yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 April, 2018, 09:48:11 AM
Weirdly, I got 15/16 this morning (along with #80 reprint for the Dredd collection), but no sign of 17/18/covers one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 10 April, 2018, 10:16:39 AM
Yep, 15-16 just landed on my desk too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2018, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2018, 09:43:21 AM
Quote from: James Stacey on 10 April, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
so is everyone else still waiting for 15 and 16 then ? 17 and 18 arrived for me today (along with a skinny sketch book)

Exactly the same here. Replacement #80 for JDMC and 17 & 19 plus sketchbook. No 15 and 16 yet.
Meant 17 &18
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 April, 2018, 10:36:53 AM
I have 15 & 16 and no sketchbook.

I'm sure there must be some logic here but I've no idea what it is.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 10 April, 2018, 11:07:41 AM
So some people have got 15&16 and some have got 17&18 plus sketchbook? 

What on earth are hachette doing?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 April, 2018, 11:35:15 AM
Messing up. I got 15/16 because I complained and they sent them as a bespoke order. Although from what I understand that means I _might_ not now get 17/18 for another month. As I understand it, this isn't atypical for Hachette. The Transformers board is packed with people complaining about screw-ups and missing issues. For some reason, it seems the Dredd set went pretty smoothly for most people, bar the odd damaged item. I suspect with 2000 AD, the extra covers book screwed up, and no-one had the common sense to just say: "Sorry about this, but the item is delayed. We'll instead be sending this book with your next set of books."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 10 April, 2018, 01:23:02 PM
I gave up on my Transformers sub as they failed to take money despite me phoning up and confirming bank details and filling in a DD form twice. They then sent me a red final demand for payment. I had no problems with the Dredd (so far) or the Marvel one whatsoever.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 10 April, 2018, 02:39:31 PM
Is it still being sold in Forbidden Planet? I'm thinking of jacking in the subscription once I get the sketchbook and just buying them as they are released.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 10 April, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
Just got 17/18 plus sketchbook... don't seem to have had 15/16. I'll follow up with them, I think...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2018, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 April, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
Just got 17/18 plus sketchbook... don't seem to have had 15/16. I'll follow up with them, I think...
Lots of people affected in the same way, myself included, on here and the FB page.15/16 will be in the next delivery.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 10 April, 2018, 03:28:23 PM
Oh, cool. Thanks, Matt.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2018, 04:39:34 PM
Latest from Hachette on FB;

We're aware that there have been some problems recently with subscribers' deliveries – thank you to those of you who have brought this to our attention.
We had some stock issues surrounding the first cover gallery special, which meant deliveries containing this and issues 15 and 16 have been delayed. To try and get copies out to subscribers as quickly as possible, we sent issues 17 and 18 out to subscribers as soon as they came into stock, which you should now have received. We will then be sending you issues 15 and 16 with your cover gallery special in your next dispatch, approx. 4 weeks after you have received issues 17 and 18.
We sincerely apologise for this delay and any confusion it has caused, and we would like to thank you for your understanding. If you have any further concerns, please send us a PM and the team will be happy to help.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2018, 04:40:24 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 April, 2018, 03:28:23 PM
Oh, cool. Thanks, Matt.

No worries.  :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 10 April, 2018, 04:43:43 PM
Can anyone give us a breakdown of the contents of 17 & 18?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 10 April, 2018, 05:01:49 PM
15&16 here.  The latest post from hachette helpfully doesn't cover what will happen with those of us who've just got these.  In a sane world I'd expect we'll get the cover gallery special, sketchbook and issues 17&18 next.  What we'll actually get is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 10 April, 2018, 06:22:12 PM
15 & 16 here too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 10 April, 2018, 06:26:48 PM
Nothing here :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 April, 2018, 07:14:33 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 10 April, 2018, 05:01:49 PM
15&16 here.  The latest post from hachette helpfully doesn't cover what will happen with those of us who've just got these.  In a sane world I'd expect we'll get the cover gallery special, sketchbook and issues 17&18 next.  What we'll actually get is anyone's guess.
Knowing the hash they're making of this, another copy of 15 and 16, but with a covers book. I've asked for clarification. As for timing, assuming they screwed up everyone's order, and will send whatever's due with the next shipment, that means all subscribers will be a month behind, receiving their issues around the time the first of the next set goes on sale. That's a bit like if you received your 2000 AD a week after it first went on sale in the shops.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 10 April, 2018, 08:42:43 PM
I'm increasingly convinced the inside of Hachette looks something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyFfmGf3b2Y
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 10 April, 2018, 10:26:20 PM
Just got 17 & 18 with the sketch book (fantastic 10/10).

I never received 15 & 16 nor a covers book. Should I mail them or are they meant to be coming automatically?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 11 April, 2018, 07:38:22 AM
Quote from: BPP on 10 April, 2018, 10:26:20 PM
Just got 17 & 18 with the sketch book (fantastic 10/10).

I never received 15 & 16 nor a covers book. Should I mail them or are they meant to be coming automatically?

They should come in your next delivery in 4 weeks time.

I don't see how subscribers will be a month behind though. Still on track just one delivery out of order, surely?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 11 April, 2018, 07:45:54 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 11 April, 2018, 07:38:22 AM
Quote from: BPP on 10 April, 2018, 10:26:20 PM
Just got 17 & 18 with the sketch book (fantastic 10/10).

I never received 15 & 16 nor a covers book. Should I mail them or are they meant to be coming automatically?

They should come in your next delivery in 4 weeks time.

I don't see how subscribers will be a month behind though. Still on track just one delivery out of order, surely?

We should have had 15&16 at the start of March, then 17&18 at the start of April.  19&20 should be at the start of May.  So if they only send out 15&16 or 17&18 (depending on what you've just received) at the start of May then we'll be still 2 behind.  Of course if they send out 4 books at the start of May then we'll be up to date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 11 April, 2018, 08:23:20 AM
Ok, thanks.
As mentioned before, I don't really keep up with these things. They arrive when they arrive. It doesn't bother me either way.
But thanks for clearing that up  :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 11 April, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 10 April, 2018, 04:43:43 PM
Can anyone give us a breakdown of the contents of 17 & 18?

17 is the complete Zombo from the pages of the prog, but not his appearance as Z.O.M.B.O  in the 40th special.

18 is Slaine vol 1 up to the end of Sky Chariots in prog 360
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 11 April, 2018, 08:52:11 AM
I was annoyed that they'd overlapped the 2000ad & the end of the Dredd collection. This kind of alleviates that for a month. I'm impressed that Hachette reprinted misaligned spines so readily. It's easy to get drawn into the "how dare they - I'm cancelling" melodrama. The delays have made me appreciate the well run machine of 2000ad - every Wednesday there's a prog, and it's usually way better than the majority of books in the local comic shop!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 April, 2018, 08:56:32 AM
"Kindly not [sic] that the special cover gallery is currently out of stock as soon as we it is available it will be sent to you, issue 17 and18 will be dispatched before the end of april your your subscription will be up to date .we apologize for the inconvenience."

They didn't answer my query about this effectively leaving subscribers behind the newsstand.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 April, 2018, 10:12:53 AM
I asked about skipping 15 & 16, or getting them as an extra order so to keep up with the newsagents. But the answer is no.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 April, 2018, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 11 April, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 10 April, 2018, 04:43:43 PM
Can anyone give us a breakdown of the contents of 17 & 18?

17 is the complete Zombo from the pages of the prog, but not his appearance as Z.O.M.B.O  in the 40th special.

18 is Slaine vol 1 up to the end of Sky Chariots in prog 360

Thanks! I've never read any Zombo, and it's been a long time since I read the early Slaine stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 April, 2018, 10:51:04 AM
I've just been told the dispatch date for 17/18 is now 27/4. So that means they'll likely show about a week before 19 is on sale in my local newsagents.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 11 April, 2018, 11:01:56 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 April, 2018, 10:51:04 AM
I've just been told the dispatch date for 17/18 is now 27/4. So that means they'll likely show about a week before 19 is on sale in my local newsagents.

Same info here.  They also told me the sketch book would be included in that delivery and that the covers book will be sent out separately.  Maybe they're starting to get their act together.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 April, 2018, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 April, 2018, 10:51:04 AM
I've just been told the dispatch date for 17/18 is now 27/4. So that means they'll likely show about a week before 19 is on sale in my local newsagents.

That will leave me about where I was before I double-paid to bring myself to the front of the subscriber queue, or maybe a week behind that. Once things settle down I may do that again. I'd quit my subscription once I had the sketch book, but I want the cover volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 April, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Right, so I've finally got an answer, and it's potentially positive:

QuoteDispatches will be pushed until all the subscriptions are up to date . we will send out the letter in every dispatch to inform  your when to expect the next issues until we return to the original schedule.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 April, 2018, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 11 April, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 10 April, 2018, 04:43:43 PM
Can anyone give us a breakdown of the contents of 17 & 18?

17 is the complete Zombo from the pages of the prog, but not his appearance as Z.O.M.B.O  in the 40th special.

Wow, really? All four books? I was expecting just the first three.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 April, 2018, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 April, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Right, so I've finally got an answer, and it's potentially positive:

QuoteDispatches will be pushed until all the subscriptions are up to date . we will send out the letter in every dispatch to inform  your when to expect the next issues until we return to the original schedule.
Wow that's a better answer. Shame I don't believe it personally. Like when they said there would be a letter in this last delivery explaining what had happened.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 April, 2018, 01:31:29 PM
I don't understand how they can catch up without taking two payments in one calendar month.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 April, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
They're not an entire month behind. So if 17/18 are shipped on the 27th, 19/20 could be shipped on the 20th, 21/22 on the 14th, 23/24 on the 7th, and they'd be back to where they should be. But, yeah, I'm not convinced it'll actually happen.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 April, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
Ah yeah that makes sense. We'll see.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 11 April, 2018, 02:35:17 PM
Just to add to the madness, I get mine reserved by my local comic shop every fortnight, and today's issue (Zombo) hasn't turned up. He's been invoiced for it, but it'll likely come with the next one, he tells me. What IS going on?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 11 April, 2018, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 11 April, 2018, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 11 April, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 10 April, 2018, 04:43:43 PM
Can anyone give us a breakdown of the contents of 17 & 18?

17 is the complete Zombo from the pages of the prog, but not his appearance as Z.O.M.B.O  in the 40th special.

Wow, really? All four books? I was expecting just the first three.

Yup, it's all in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 11 April, 2018, 03:44:01 PM
the fcbd one off doesn't appear to be in there either its cool to have all four books tho
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 11 April, 2018, 04:12:19 PM
Possibly not the best news for subscribers but WH Smiths Ponty had a couple of copies of volume 17 today.  Does look nice.  At least it's kicking about.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 April, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Over on FB a Mr Tony Heugh says has received a covers book. Even though he asked not to get one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 12 April, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
 I'm an Ultimate Collection cherry picker and my local Asda currently still put out one issue on the shelves. I wasn't going to dip on Zombie cos I keep my progs, but finding out everything's in there really swung it for me. Picked it up today and I'm so glad I did. It's so pretty.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 12 April, 2018, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Grumpy Andrew on 12 April, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
  It's so pretty.

Never a truer word.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 April, 2018, 08:49:56 PM
That's the first report I've heard of anyone receiving the covers book and it's someone who hadn't requested it.  Classic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 April, 2018, 11:14:15 AM
It really is a cracking volume. I was hoping really for a book of the first three series only, to leave things on a more conclusive, final note - but actually Planet Zombo is left on much less of an open cliffhanger than I remembered, not least in the fact that, with only two exceptions, the entire [spoiler]supporting cast are dead![/spoiler]

Bit annoying that the Planetronix solo isn't included when Al Ewing's rhapsodising about it in the essay and calling it 'probably the best thing I've ever written'...!  :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 13 April, 2018, 02:42:46 PM
I'm a subscriber and a few days ago I got 17 & 18 (Slaine & Zombo) & Covers special, But not 15 & 16 yet.

Last time I got future issues was when they did the spine error.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 April, 2018, 02:53:43 PM
How is the covers special?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 13 April, 2018, 05:45:25 PM
If it's 17 & 18 I'm surprised he has the covers special where everyone else has got the sketch book.

I could be wrong. Interested to know what the covers special is like myself.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 13 April, 2018, 07:12:03 PM
It is the sketch book.

I thought it was the cover special, sorry My bad.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 13 April, 2018, 07:26:32 PM
Got the sketch book here, and I've got a question: Why are some sketches shown as negatives/half coloured in with red?
All a bit distracting in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 13 April, 2018, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: cropsy13 on 13 April, 2018, 07:12:03 PM
It is the sketch book.

I thought it was the cover special, sorry My bad.

No worries.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 14 April, 2018, 11:18:06 AM
Received 15 and 16 with the missing bookends which is weird as the Facebook messenger said I was getting 17 and 18, think there customer service just make it up
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 April, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
I suspect that the distribution is being handled by a sub-contractor and that communication between them and the team running the FB page is via chinese whispers and post it notes only.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 14 April, 2018, 03:59:43 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 April, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
I suspect that the distribution is being handled by a sub-contractor and that communication between them and the team running the FB page is via chinese whispers and post it notes only.

I vote spatulamancy and smoke signals.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 April, 2018, 09:27:54 PM
Well, finally got round to reading Zombo, and I'd say its....interesting, but to be honest not really my cup of tea.  Maybe on a reread, but I just didn't get why it was so acclaimed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 April, 2018, 10:27:35 AM
Slaine Vol 2 scheduled for release on 15th August (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1976048122723510?comment_id=1976055419389447&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D), making it issue 26.

Of course, subscribers will get it the month following, as it stands.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 16 April, 2018, 01:41:24 PM
Hi Folks! Has anyone received issues 15, 16 or the covers special yet? I contacted Hatache on Thursday still waiting for a reply.
To be honest if im going to end up a behind on release dates for these books i think i will be cancelling my subscription. I really cannot believe such a large publisher of partworks has made such a mess of this issue. On the facebook page they just seem to ignore people, wheras on on the Judge Dredd one they replied.
The books themselves are lovely, I just feel that their customer service is a joke.
Speaking to them on phone their staff are very friendly and polite but they have worst phone line and i know from friends im not alone in experiencing this problem.
Has anyone else had problems with other partwork collections like this? Where you subscribe and end up being behind schedule compared to the shops?
Im literally flummoxed and seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription as i dont seem to get any benefits subscribing thus far


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 April, 2018, 01:44:44 PM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 16 April, 2018, 01:41:24 PM
Has anyone else had problems with other partwork collections like this? Where you subscribe and end up being behind schedule compared to the shops?
Im literally flummoxed and seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription as i dont seem to get any benefits subscribing thus far
Yes, the Transformers one is behind a month exactly the same for subscribers, but it happened gradually rather than in one hit.
If I had a corner newsie nearby I'd be using them rather than subscribing now the free gifts are done. I'm not getting the covers books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 16 April, 2018, 01:47:58 PM
I only stopped picking it up from my local thrill merchant has he has sadly retired.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 16 April, 2018, 11:19:14 PM
Never phone Hachette - you'll risk your sanity. Use messenger. I've only just received 15 & 16 - I'm sure they'll sort things out eventually. The bookends were worth the wait and the Nemesis figure sold well on EBay! Remind yourself that the books are amazing value. I know the MegaCollection has a few bumps and reprint issues but in time I'm sure things will work out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 18 April, 2018, 01:28:48 AM
I messaged them on Thursday and still no reply. Interestingly they have responded to other people on FB page. I really cant believe how poorly they treat customers. I think im going to cancel my subscription.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 18 April, 2018, 11:14:17 AM
On a rare positive note, they seem to have updated my account so it now details exactly which issues and 'free' gifts have been sent out.  Hopefully, that's something they've done for everyone.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 18 April, 2018, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 18 April, 2018, 11:14:17 AM
On a rare positive note, they seem to have updated my account so it now details exactly which issues and 'free' gifts have been sent out.  Hopefully, that's something they've done for everyone.

Me too. i was told it would happen in January, but it happened last week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 18 April, 2018, 12:20:03 PM
This thread does read like a support helpline most of the time...  :(

Nurse! Clear! Back to the Thrills!
That's Nemesis vol. 2 read and since I don't re-read stuff it was fresh again. There were some good asides (thank you Ro-Jaws) and it does rattle along at a pace. The Gothic Empire especially has some nice ideas and the creators clearly enjoyed themselves. Wasn't a complete success, the melodrama and gobbledygook (and logical silliness) in book 6 made things a bit tedious.

But the art was nice - and I look more to that, stories rarely hit that sweet spot where they don't rankle in some way. Maybe just me... Hugely looking forward to some Hicklenton next volume, love his style. And though he doesn't feature much in vol. 2, I'm staggered all over again at Kevin O'Neill. Early Gothic Empire episodes are wondrous. Time was, I'd rate Bolland as a clear favourite prog artist - right now it's probably a tie.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 18 April, 2018, 04:16:38 PM
I got 17 and 18 with the sketch book but I just realised I only got ONE BOOKEND!!! I guess I thought the other would be sent at a later date ..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 18 April, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
I found the other one .. crisis of symmetry averted!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 18 April, 2018, 04:42:29 PM
they just got back to me and simply said 15 and 16 will be in next delivery despatched 26th April. No mention of covers book or whether i will receive 4 issues in one delivery next time? Ridiculous customer service in comparison to the Dredd one which i found actually rather good.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 18 April, 2018, 05:51:52 PM
So people get what they paid for shocker!

Really? Not aiming this at anyone in particular but you pay your money and you will get your stuff.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 April, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 18 April, 2018, 05:51:52 PMSo people get what they paid for shocker! Really? Not aiming this at anyone in particular but you pay your money and you will get your stuff.
It's more than that, though. A subscription is the best way to reward a publisher with your business. And subscribing generally comes with benefits to the consumer: delivery to your address; getting the product at the very least when it's available in stores, and often earlier. I can't imagine too many people would be thrilled with Rebellion if they suddenly messed up and started sending subscription copies to 2000 AD out a couple of weeks after you could pick the things up in WHSmith.

From what I've seen elsewhere online, dealing with Hachette is a crapshoot. For whatever reason, it seems the Dredd collection went more smoothly than others. It's likely the 2000 AD was was derailed due to the covers volume. Perhaps they thought they could get things done with just a slight delay, which subsequently mushroomed.

It's notable, though, to look at the direct debit dates, which ran like clockwork through into this year, where I see 5 Jan and 2 Feb, before a rather big gap of eight weeks before the next payment. We now hear the next payment will be on 27 April, after which point they possibly (depending on interpretation) aim to get things back on track.

Regardless, sure, you'll get what you paid for in the end. But poor customer service and not making good on original promises isn't a great thing, not least when you're in a project for the long haul. (If the 2000 AD collection ends on 80 issues, it'll be, what, the end of 2021 before it's done?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 19 April, 2018, 12:24:50 AM
although lets be honest this ain't ending at vol 80
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 April, 2018, 04:27:43 AM
I hope it wouldn't be another ten volumes of Slaine, there's so much more they could put in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 19 April, 2018, 07:48:06 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 19 April, 2018, 12:24:50 AM
although lets be honest this ain't ending at vol 80

I'm fine if they go to 90 or possibly 95.  Any more than that and they'll start falling off the end of my shelf, so there's your cap, Hachette!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 April, 2018, 10:45:40 AM
You only have to glance at the webshop to see how many more *already formatted* thrills could make it into an extension, although of course we all have our long forgotten faves that would be fantastic to dig out of the archive and put in print once more.
Unlike the Mega Collection, this one could run and run, and I would be very pleased for it to do so!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 April, 2018, 11:22:15 AM
I hope it does, despite the current niggles. I'm not sure I'd want some Marvel-style open-ended thing, and I'd hope Matt would be quite choosy about what's included so we don't end up with Dry Run or something. But there's a lot of content I'd be happy to see in these hardback volumes: pretty much anything by John Smith (not least Indigo Prime, but also Firekind/Leatherjack/Cradlegrave), Armoured Gideon, VCs, War Machine (if it's not in the Rogue books) and a carefully hand-picked slice of post-WM RT, Starlord-era Strontium Dog, Jaegir, Button Man (if rights can be sorted), Scarlet Traces, Flesh, Leviathan (somehow – not sure what you'd twin it with though), The Red Seas (complete, if possible), Grey Area, Fiends of the Eastern Front, Ichabod Azrael...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 19 April, 2018, 11:23:51 AM
Bix Barton or bust.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 April, 2018, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 April, 2018, 11:22:15 AM
I hope it does, despite the current niggles. I'm not sure I'd want some Marvel-style open-ended thing, and I'd hope Matt would be quite choosy about what's included so we don't end up with Dry Run or something. But there's a lot of content I'd be happy to see in these hardback volumes: pretty much anything by John Smith (not least Indigo Prime, but also Firekind/Leatherjack/Cradlegrave), Armoured Gideon, VCs, War Machine (if it's not in the Rogue books) and a carefully hand-picked slice of post-WM RT, Starlord-era Strontium Dog, Jaegir, Button Man (if rights can be sorted), Scarlet Traces, Flesh, Leviathan (somehow – not sure what you'd twin it with though), The Red Seas (complete, if possible), Grey Area, Fiends of the Eastern Front, Ichabod Azrael...

...Atavar, more Sinister Dexter, Lobster Random, Damnation Station, Absalom, more Future Shocks, Aquila, more Savage - sooo much potential still to be mined.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 19 April, 2018, 03:51:51 PM
Atavar. Yes. Very much yes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 19 April, 2018, 04:22:23 PM
I would rather this series was pre 2000 heavy if I'm honest (and missing out a fair chunk of the 1990's)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 19 April, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: Grumpy Andrew on 19 April, 2018, 03:51:51 PM
Atavar. Yes. Very much yes.
It's always bugged me that only the first two series were collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 April, 2018, 05:21:02 PM
Yeah, given the continued plaudits for Kingdom it's a bit baffling that the earlier Abnett/Elson collaboration has never been collected in its entirety, under one cover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 April, 2018, 05:36:26 PM
Would be good to see Zenith in an extension, if possible
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pale fire on 19 April, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
Evening all,
I'm completely new to 2000AD and have found this series a really great way of dipping my toes in the water. I've been checking into this thread at regular intervals too, and have been interested to read the views of y'all and a bit bemused by the subscription frustration discussions.
I've not subscribed - more than a little put off by the complaints on here. But, despite living in a big city, the number of copies at newsagents has basically dried up to zilch. I've been picking up mine at the cornershop at the end of the road, but I suspect that their system is only adding one copy because of me. The WH smiths in the city centre and forbidden planet appear to no longer be stocking them.
It'd be interesting to know how many copies they're shifting - and how close to the edge of viability it is (even reprints take a surprising amount of work...)
Anyway, as a complete newcomer my favourites have been Kingdom, Dante, Shakara & Halo Jones.
The earlier series (Nemesis, Robohunter, Strontium Dog, ABC warriors) are a bit more patchy and some have aged better than others.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 April, 2018, 12:43:28 AM
Most newsagents, places like Smiths especially when it comes to partworks only seem to stock the first maybe, 10 issues at most before going to an order only system.  You do occasionally see later ones on the shelves but I suspect this can be people who haven't collected or have cancelled a partwork.  For example, occasionally I still see the Star Trek collection.  Ditto with Batman but that's a lot newer so there's always the chance with them going on a bit longer.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 April, 2018, 10:01:35 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't worry unduly Pale Fire. It's par for the course with partwork magazines; no real comment on a particular series' viability.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 21 April, 2018, 09:59:47 AM
I popped into W H Smiths in Gravesend yesterday, and there was the Zombo volume! I didn't get it as zombo isn't quite my cup of tea, although I like the character- but it was nice to see they're still available there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 22 April, 2018, 04:48:17 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 April, 2018, 11:22:15 AM
Leviathan (somehow – not sure what you'd twin it with though), The Red Seas (complete, if possible),
Well, that's two of the main Edginton-verse series - I'd twin Leviathan with early Stickleback personally, and Red Seas with Ampney Crucis (with preference for Leviathan and Stickleback for me).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 22 April, 2018, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Pale fire on 19 April, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
I've not subscribed - more than a little put off by the complaints on here. But, despite living in a big city, the number of copies at newsagents has basically dried up to zilch. I've been picking up mine at the cornershop at the end of the road, but I suspect that their system is only adding one copy because of me. The WH smiths in the city centre and forbidden planet appear to no longer be stocking them.


Which big city are you in?


QuoteIt'd be interesting to know how many copies they're shifting - and how close to the edge of viability it is (even reprints take a surprising amount of work...)


It'd be interesting, but Rebellion don't release sales figures, and I'm not aware of Hachette doing so either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 22 April, 2018, 10:14:28 AM
Forbidden Planet London are still carrying both.

No idea on sales figures but the facebook page likes for the 2000AD collection is way below that of the Dredd equivalent.

3000 compared to 15000
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 April, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
Dredd page has presumably been live for 2-3 years longer though so that could be an artifcat of age.  Or it could be down to changes in FB's algorithms over that time preiod which mean the ultimate collection's page is not getting promoted to as many FB users as the Dredd one did.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 22 April, 2018, 10:47:03 AM
Age has something to do with it, but it's well known that Dredd sells more than anything else that 2000 AD has.

Even so the fan page for our Strontium Dog short has twice as many likes as the Hachette 2000 AD page, and it's not like we push that much.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 22 April, 2018, 07:21:48 PM
Does anyone know if the Slaine volumes will comprise the entire run? If not, what is likely not to make it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 22 April, 2018, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 22 April, 2018, 07:21:48 PM
Does anyone know if the Slaine volumes will comprise the entire run? If not, what is likely not to make it?

Secret Commonwealth, with a bit of luck.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 April, 2018, 07:46:32 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 22 April, 2018, 07:21:48 PM
Does anyone know if the Slaine volumes will comprise the entire run?

You'd bloody hope so, with 13 volumes...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 22 April, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
That said, will we ever get a 'complete run' of Slaine?  Will it ever end?  (a question I tend to ask mid way through each episode at the moment)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 April, 2018, 08:37:57 AM
Assuming the Slaine volumes follow the existing Rebellion trades then I suspect we're going to get something like:

Vol 1 - Warriors Dawn (208)
Vol 2 - Time Killer (176)
Vol 3 - The King (256)
Vol 4 - Horned God (192)
Vol 5 - Demon Killler (160)
Vol 6 - Lord Of Misrule (128), Treasures Of Britain (128) = 256
Vol 7 - The Grail War (176)
Vol 8 - Lord Of The Beasts (256)
Vol 9 - Book Of Invasions 1 (112), Book Of Invasions 2 (112) = 224
Vol 10 - Book Of Invasions 3 (128), The Wanderer (128) = 256
Vol 11 - Book Of Scars (192)
Vol 12 - Brutania 1 (112), Brutania 2 (112) = 224
Vol 13 - Brutania 3 (101), Brutania 4 (96) = 197

Those mostly seem to fit the 200-250 page count Hachette are going for.  Vol 5 is a little light at only 160 pages as are 2 and 7 at 176 and there are also few vols (3, 6, 8, 10) which are at the high end with 256 pages.  So the good/bad news is that this looks like it's going to be pretty much everything (at least everything that's been collected in existing Rebellion trades anyway).

Now a question for those more familiar with the Slaine stories; at what point do things start going downhill?
It seems quite a lot of you aren't big fans of the newer material but are there specific vols which you're really dreading, are there any gems hidden amongst the later stories?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 April, 2018, 09:28:19 AM
The content of Slaine vols 2 & 3 are here (taken from FB (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1930295563965433?comment_id=1931236457204677&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D))

30-SLAINE VOL 2 Dragonheist; Time Killer; Battle of Clontarf

31-SLAINE VOL 3 Tomb of Terror; The Spoils of Annwn; Slaine the King; The Killing Field; Mini-Series

... and 5 is titled "Slaine: The High King" though there's no breakdown for that one
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 April, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
Quote from: sintec on 24 April, 2018, 08:37:57 AMNow a question for those more familiar with the Slaine stories; at what point do things start going downhill?
I suspect this is down to the individual. Personally, I liked Sláine a lot through Horned God, even if some of the earlier stuff feels dated in the same way a lot of old 2000 AD does. Horned God was a natural end, and so Sláine ended up [spoiler]being a kind of time-traveller, a bit like a Celtic Doctor Who[/spoiler], which was variable in quality. But the end of that 'second era' Sláine, I felt things had gone downhill pretty badly. I don't recall liking Grail War and Lord of the Beasts, for example.

For me, Book of Invasions was a return to form. There are some things I very much disagree with (not least the [spoiler]unnecessary end for Niamh, reportedly suggested by the editor, which felt like a sickening slice of sexist fridging[/spoiler]), but for me it broadly worked really well. I didn't care for Scars, but consider that an interlude, and Brutania 1 was, for the most part, superb. I loved the art and the weirdness. But then that all went a bit downhill, with LOTS OF GODS SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER IN ALL CAPS, and drawn-out, horribly dull fights.

Given Sláine's general appeal, I'm not surprised they're bunging all of it in there. But I honestly don't think the collection would have missed much had it skipped from Horned God right to Book of Invasions, and then used the four 'spare' books for some Indigo Prime or something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 24 April, 2018, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 April, 2018, 09:28:19 AM
30-SLAINE VOL 2 Dragonheist; Time Killer; Battle of Clontarf

31-SLAINE VOL 3 Tomb of Terror; The Spoils of Annwn; Slaine the King; The Killing Field; Mini-Series

Would I be right in thinking that the Battle of Clontarf and the Diceman stories have't had much of an airing since their original publication?  I'm sure I have a Titan of the Diceman stories plus the mini-series somewhere, but that was published in the eighties...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 April, 2018, 10:50:26 AM
Contents listed on that FB post for Vols 1-3 match the contents of the Warriors Dawn, Time Killer and Slaine the King almost exactly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sl%C3%A1ine_(comics)).  The High King is the first story in Demon Killer so I suspect vol 5 will contain the rest of the stuff from that book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 24 April, 2018, 12:48:39 PM
The Diceman stories being: Cauldron of Blood (which ties directly in to main story continuity), Dragoncorpse and The Ring of Danu (not so much).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 24 April, 2018, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 April, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
For me, Book of Invasions was a return to form. There are some things I very much disagree with (not least the [spoiler]unnecessary end for Niamh, reportedly suggested by the editor, which felt like a sickening slice of sexist fridging[/spoiler]), but for me it broadly worked really well.

I didn't much care for BoI at the time, and the [spoiler]Niamh[/spoiler] incident seriously hacked me off too, but re-reading it in the collections it works very well.  As previously noted, The Wanderer sort-of-epilogue collection makes the best of a mixed bag of stories, and even fixes some of the ridiculous sexist dialogue.

I've found something to like in all the eras of Slaine, especially in their collected form (Grail War was a particularly interesting idea), with the possible exception of the very forgettable Braveheart thing. The main issue is often pacing of individual tales, where things ramble along until either Tharg or Pat gets bored, and it all wraps up in a couple of episodes, old-school style.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 24 April, 2018, 02:35:19 PM
'Cauldron of Blood' has been reprinted in the trade 'Demon Killer' (albeit with a mistake), but 'Dragoncorpse' and 'Ring of Danu' never have (something I hope will be rectified somewhere in this Ultimate Collection series as these are the only ones in the whole of the Slaine story never to be published again).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 April, 2018, 08:41:52 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 April, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
even if some of the earlier stuff feels dated in the same way a lot of old 2000 AD does.

I knew going in that some of the material would be that way.  2000AD in the early days was aiming for a different audience and within a very different social context.  It's inevitable that some of that is going feel dated now, particularly to an adult audience.  It's mostly been pretty enjoyable so far (well maybe not the second half of Robo-hunter) although I'm not sure I'll be re-reading those volumes very often.

I'm glad to hear it's not all downhill and it's just had some slumps over the years.  With the Ultimate Collection mostly releasing stuff chronologically I was concerned we were going to get towards the end of the run and have 4-5 books of poor quallity Slaine to wade through in the last 12 months.  Sounds like that won't be entirely the case.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 April, 2018, 09:21:48 PM
Just finished Zombo. It's all kinds of crazy, with seemingly random references to anything and everything, but it's never dull and Henry Flint's art is always fantastic. One volume may be enough though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 April, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
Really nice to see the improved repro on Slaine vol.1 - the Warrior's Dawn story still suffers, and there's the odd page of Sky Chariots, but the bulk of it is massively improved on the Rebellion edition (which I sold just a few months ago ready for this version). Particularly pleased that the single-panel page of the skyblade warriors clashing is restored to its full glory!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 27 April, 2018, 05:31:17 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 April, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
even if some of the earlier stuff feels dated in the same way a lot of old 2000 AD does.

It certainly reads differently to the later stuff, but to me calling it "dated" has negative connotations that it doesn't deserve. The early books of Slaine are IMO as good as 2000AD gets (tied with stuff like Nemesis books 1,3,4,5,6).

Compare it to Invasion or MACH1. Now that's a whole other level of dated.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 27 April, 2018, 05:33:12 PM
Odd you say that, Jimbo - for me the repro in this volume is the only thing that lets it down, particularly on the McMahon chapters. I wonder if it's an inconsistency, if you put two copies side by side there'd be differing levels of consistency?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 April, 2018, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 27 April, 2018, 05:33:12 PM
Odd you say that, Jimbo - for me the repro in this volume is the only thing that lets it down, particularly on the McMahon chapters. I wonder if it's an inconsistency, if you put two copies side by side there'd be differing levels of consistency?

It isn't great - still room for improvement for sure, but a big step up from the most recent Rebellion's Warrior's Dawn book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 28 April, 2018, 09:02:10 AM
I just went to my local W H Smith's to see if there was the latest issue of the Batman collection available. There wasn't.... but there was Slaine volume One of this series! First time I've seen the partworks series in my local so it's a nice surprise, especially as we're a few issues in now. Makes me wonder if someone in the area put in a subscription. He/she won't be getting this copy! 😁

I haven't read much of Slaine's earlier adventures before the Horned God, so this will be mostly new stuff, for me. Settled in the local coffee place with a coffee and some biscuits*, and about to have a look.... assuming I can get the wrapper off. 🤣 The book, not that biscuits.

*purchased, elsewhere. Hope they don't mind, I bought the coffee from them. Chocolate chunk cookies, just in case you in were interested.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 28 April, 2018, 09:57:05 AM
Now I need to know how well those cookies went with the coffee.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 April, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
They do sound like good cookies.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 28 April, 2018, 05:36:49 PM
Biscuit talk is best talk.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 28 April, 2018, 06:12:16 PM
Hachette should do a biscuit-collection.

With a contentious jaffa cake extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 29 April, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
Quote from: Grumpy Andrew on 28 April, 2018, 09:57:05 AM
Now I need to know how well those cookies went with the coffee.

They went very well, thank you.

As did the book, which I finished just now. (And those biscuits actually. A whole packet in two days. That's wrong, isn't it?) I was worried these earlier stories would feel very dated... but it was all good stuff, up there with much later stuff and better than a lot of the more recent stuff.

Some of the McMahon art was rather faint. (I'm referring to the literal shade of the line work here, a grey rather than a crisp black. Almost looks like it needs inking, but I don't think that's the case.) I'm not sure if that was a reproduction/source issue, but his later stuff in the Sky Chariots is much better.

Angela Kincaid's version of Slaine was great right from the beginning. A shame she didn't stick around for other stories, but I don't say that as a criticism of the other artists. They were all good. I particularly love Bellardinelli's depiction of the natural world. I spotted a couple of pine martens in one episode! They're pretty rare now.

A curiosity: I notice that Slaine's axe, Brain-biter changes in appearance in The Bride of Crom. In most of these earlier tales, including this story, he has the single axe blade ending in a point the other side, rather than the two bladed axe he uses in later stories (the one reproduced wonderfully by Planet Replicas).

In The Bride of Crom , he has the double bladed axe, he seems most famous for. He even climbs onto the Babds' house with it at the end of the episode. Then in Bride of  Crom episode 2 he is swinging the spikey axe... on that same roof. 😀

The first episode was drawn by Michael Bellardinelli after some McMahon work previously. I wonder if he had forgotten the type of axe Slaine used or just thought he'd try a different one, only to be told by editorial he had to change it back for the next episode. It certainly isn't just a change of style due to change of artist like the different takes on Dredd's lawgiver, since Bellardinelli drew the spikey axe previously .

Or maybe Slaine has two. Heh.

Interesting that the two bladed axe later became Slaine's default chopper.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 29 April, 2018, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 29 April, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
Some of the McMahon art was rather faint. (I'm referring to the literal shade of the line work here, a grey rather than a crisp black. Almost looks like it needs inking, but I don't think that's the case.) I'm not sure if that was a reproduction/source issue, but his later stuff in the Sky Chariots is much better.

I haven't got the Ultimate Collection book so can't be certain what it looks like in that, but in the original Prog it did look how you describe. I think that was the look MaMahon was going for. It is also my understanding that Sky Chariots was actually drawn first.

Quote from: Mardroid on 29 April, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
Angela Kincaid's version of Slaine was great right from the beginning. A shame she didn't stick around for other stories, but I don't say that as a criticism of the other artists. They were all good.
My understanding was one of the reasons for this was she took an extra ordinarily long time to draw this episode. Something like a year and a half. But she is rightly lauded, especially by Pat (her husband at the time) for having the defined the look of Slaine and his world, all in that single episode.

Quote from: Mardroid on 29 April, 2018, 12:00:00 PMA curiosity: I notice that Slaine's axe, Brain-biter changes in appearance in The Bride of Crom. In most of these earlier tales, including this story, he has the single axe blade ending in a point the other side, rather than the two bladed axe he uses in later stories (the one reproduced wonderfully by Planet Replicas).

In The Bride of Crom , he has the double bladed axe, he seems most famous for. He even climbs onto the Babds' house with it at the end of the episode. Then in Bride of  Crom episode 2 he is swinging the spikey axe... on that same roof. 😀

The first episode was drawn by Michael Bellardinelli after some McMahon work previously. I wonder if he had forgotten the type of axe Slaine used or just thought he'd try a different one, only to be told by editorial he had to change it back for the next episode. It certainly isn't just a change of style due to change of artist like the different takes on Dredd's lawgiver, since Bellardinelli drew the spikey axe previously .

Yes I noticed the changing axe when I re-read all this a couple of years ago. Differences between artists are common, especially on Dredd, but I did find it puzzling that the same artist would have such a variation.

(Assume you mean Massimo, not Michael.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 30 April, 2018, 02:34:57 AM
Quote
(Assume you mean Massimo, not Michael.)

Yes, sorry. That's who I meant.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 30 April, 2018, 10:18:03 AM
With the publication of The Horned God as the first edition of this Ultimate Collection I've been taking the opportunity to read through my Slaine collection from the beginning.

I first turned to the Best of 2000ad Monthly for the earlier stories, and somewhere along the line my girlfriend – who is a complete comic refusenik – kept glancing it over my shoulder and I ended up reading the sagas to her. She picked up where I was at with the monthlies, then I turned to the new Horned God collection and thence to the progs.

We were into book 2 of The Book of Invasions when this new Slaine volume became available, so we've taken a break to go back to the start so we can fill her in on the stuff she missed before she jumped aboard.

Heavens to Bestsy if there aren't some stories – one off episodes and such – that I'd never read before! This is the very definition of value for money for this old Squax.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: metcalfecarr on 30 April, 2018, 07:10:30 PM
Has anyone else who's received the Slaine issue got one with the inner pages upside down and back to front?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 May, 2018, 08:18:27 AM
Looks like Hachette have failed to take an April payment.  That doesn't bode well for getting 17 & 18 any time soon.  And given their "only 1 payment per month", I think it makes further slippage almost inevitable :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 May, 2018, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: sintec on 01 May, 2018, 08:18:27 AM
Looks like Hachette have failed to take an April payment.  That doesn't bode well for getting 17 & 18 any time soon.  And given their "only 1 payment per month", I think it makes further slippage almost inevitable :(
If you're talking about the online portal, yes I've been looking at that too. Last time the entry appeared on the Tuesday (ie today) but was backdated to the previous Friday. I am still holding out hope it will appear soon and we will get the books in the next seven days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 01 May, 2018, 09:27:42 AM
Same here.  I've sent a couple of messages via facebook asking what's going on but they've fallen into the void.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 May, 2018, 10:14:09 AM
Likewise. I'll report back if/when I hear anything. We're already a month behind where we should be. I know some people here are fine with getting the books whenever, but I'm not going to be happy if we fall further behind, and end up getting books after the next set starts appearing in stores.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 May, 2018, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 01 May, 2018, 09:27:42 AM
Same here.  I've sent a couple of messages via facebook asking what's going on but they've fallen into the void.

reply to my FB message confirms last Friday as dispatch date for 15 & 16 so that's as expected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 May, 2018, 10:21:40 AM
QuotePlease note that your issues were despatched on 27/04/2018 and are currently in-transit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 May, 2018, 11:39:48 AM
IndigoPrime; are you expecting 15 & 16 or 17 & 18?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 May, 2018, 02:12:25 PM
Expecting: 17/18. Who knows what I'll actually get though?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 May, 2018, 02:40:22 PM
Here's hoping my order is in a similar state then as that's what I'm waiting on too.  Would be nice to have some new books to read over the bank holiday weekend.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 01 May, 2018, 09:38:26 PM
I hadn't really picked up before how complete Slaine and the setting were from the start - the character's backstory, world, relationship with Ukko etc, all well in place from the word go. Also loved the contrasting art styles and the planting of story seeds that are still bearing fruit. Looking forward to seeing the stories progress, appreciate that opinions haven't been too complimentary about the later ones, thoughts on those to be shared when they appear.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 May, 2018, 05:12:55 PM
New books via FP!
2000AD: Ultimate Collection: Issue 21: Ace Trucking: Volume 1 (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230854-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-21-ace-trucking-volume-1/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/f0d6e70aac87e6de33715cde68f9ce5cafa33199.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

2000AD: Ultimate Collection: Issue 22: Judge Dredd: The Art Of Kenny Who? (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230855-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-22-judge-dredd-the-art-of-kenny-who/#product-description)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/744c70bc27e1846cf56eabe7b1a6ffafd16148db.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

2000AD: Ultimate Collection: Issue 23: Rogue Trooper: Volume 2
(https://forbiddenplanet.com/230856-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-23-rogue-trooper-volume-2/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/38745b9a6798a799ae0d2206b36b459e6ad4e159.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

2000AD: Ultimate Collection: Issue 24: ABC Warriors: Volume 2
(https://forbiddenplanet.com/230857-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-24-abc-warriors-volume-2/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4886116b9b20f205d337fc50b1ad64e23b0e04ef.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

2000AD: Ultimate Collection: Issue 25: Meltdown Man
(https://forbiddenplanet.com/230858-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-25-meltdown-man/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/0907c97db5e6cd81c5fb127f3b9c3539c4e7b5c9.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 May, 2018, 05:21:19 PM
THRILLPOWER OVERLOAD!!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 May, 2018, 06:06:21 PM
Loving that moody Rogue cover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 02 May, 2018, 06:31:03 PM
Fan of the Moody Blues then?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 02 May, 2018, 06:36:16 PM
Fantastic run of books there.
Surprised to see Kenny Who? collection here, and not in the Dredd collection, but I ain't complaining!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 May, 2018, 06:41:16 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 02 May, 2018, 06:31:03 PM
Fan of the Moody Blues then?

Trying to think of a Knights in White Satin joke.... Struggling.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 May, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 02 May, 2018, 06:36:16 PM
Fantastic run of books there.
Surprised to see Kenny Who? collection here, and not in the Dredd collection, but I ain't complaining!

Fan of Status Quo then?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 02 May, 2018, 09:20:55 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 02 May, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 02 May, 2018, 06:36:16 PM
Fantastic run of books there.
Surprised to see Kenny Who? collection here, and not in the Dredd collection, but I ain't complaining!

Fan of Status Quo then?

I'm fond of 'em, but they go on and on and on and on and on...  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 May, 2018, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 01 May, 2018, 09:21:30 AM
If you're talking about the online portal, yes I've been looking at that too. Last time the entry appeared on the Tuesday (ie today) but was backdated to the previous Friday. I am still holding out hope it will appear soon and we will get the books in the next seven days.

Payment just appeared on mine dated 27/4 so it's clearly not the most up to date info.  That also aligns with dates others gave for despatch.  Delivery in time for the weekend could still happen.

That does look like a cracking run coming up.  Not sure Ace Trucking will be my thing and don't really know much about Meltdown Man but everything else looks awesome.  We've got Vol 3 of Dante and Vol 2 of Strontium Dog to come before those too, I've been looking forwards to those.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 May, 2018, 08:06:22 AM
Delighted that Ace Trucking is in there as the 'phone book' style volume one has been out of print for ages and commands some hefty prices.

The rest all look sweet too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 May, 2018, 10:11:10 AM
Online portal now listing the next shipment, dated last friday. Also included with the books is a 'letter special', hopefully some kind of apology for the late books!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Davgardo on 03 May, 2018, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 29 April, 2018, 02:30:55 PM

Quote from: Mardroid on 29 April, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
Angela Kincaid's version of Slaine was great right from the beginning. A shame she didn't stick around for other stories, but I don't say that as a criticism of the other artists. They were all good.
My understanding was one of the reasons for this was she took an extra ordinarily long time to draw this episode. Something like a year and a half. But she is rightly lauded, especially by Pat (her husband at the time) for having the defined the look of Slaine and his world, all in that single episode.


I think what actually happened was the editorial staff kept asking her to re-draw stuff. As an inexperienced comic artist brought in at Pat's recommendation, they insisted on a lot of changes before they were satisfied. This in turn caused a huge delay in the strip making its debut. In the meantime McMahon had drawn nearly all his stuff which is why Cam Kennedy ended up drawing all the Sky Chariots covers as Mick had moved on to other things. Similarly, the fab McM painting used on the Titan Slaine 1, Warrior's Dawn and this release was done before Slaine appeared in 2000Ad and was used to promote the strip's launch as some Comic Con type thing - much to Pat Mills' annoyance.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 03 May, 2018, 10:39:51 AM
Robin Smith according to the intro.

I thought it was slightly odd that Robin basically told Brian the layout for the Block Mania wraparound (printed in one of the annuals) - seems a bit like teaching your granny to suck eggs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 03 May, 2018, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 03 May, 2018, 10:11:10 AM
Online portal now listing the next shipment, dated last friday. Also included with the books is a 'letter special', hopefully some kind of apology for the late books!

Me too. 17, 18, and the sketchbook. No sign of the covers volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 03 May, 2018, 11:55:27 AM
I just checked my Hachette Online portal and it lists 2000 ad Special 1 at £14.99 along with the Letter Special 1. So I'm guessing that's the Covers Special, fingers crossed anyway. They were sent on the 27th April so fingers crossed they'll be here soon.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Timothy on 03 May, 2018, 12:25:36 PM
Is the letter special a collection of letters to Tharg from across the years. Has the beast been told?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 May, 2018, 12:47:56 PM
No Special 1 listed on mine :(

Sketchbook is listed though.  Chaos and inconsistency still reign.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 03 May, 2018, 01:42:06 PM
17, 18 and sketchbook for me.  No sign of the covers special.  PM sent on facebook.  Confusing response expected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 May, 2018, 03:45:23 PM
17/18/sketchbook for me, too, after being promised the covers book with this shipment. Imagine my shock when I discovered it hasn't been sent yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 May, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
kenny who woot! :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 May, 2018, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 May, 2018, 03:45:23 PM
17/18/sketchbook for me, too, after being promised the covers book with this shipment. Imagine my shock when I discovered it hasn't been sent yet.

I'm starting to wish the covers volumes weren't a thing.  Ever since they were announced things seem to have become a complete mess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 03 May, 2018, 05:33:36 PM
Quote from: sintec on 03 May, 2018, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 May, 2018, 03:45:23 PM
17/18/sketchbook for me, too, after being promised the covers book with this shipment. Imagine my shock when I discovered it hasn't been sent yet.

I'm starting to wish the covers volumes weren't a thing.  Ever since they were announced things seem to have become a complete mess.

Rather have them with a mess than not have them and it go smoothly, but then I'm in the camp of 'they come when they come'.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 03 May, 2018, 06:24:32 PM
Just 17 and 18 showing for me no sketchbook or covers book, not surprised as I've had to chase them for every gift so far
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 04 May, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
I had a message on friendface telling me that my special cover book has been sent and to allow 7-14 days for delivery.  It's not showing on my hachette account so I guess I'll have to wait and see, but that seems like hopeful news.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 May, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
"Can you give me an update of the covers volume?"
"The sketchbook has been sent with 17/18!"
"Er, thanks, but what about the covers volume?"
"We've just sent you a copy. Allow 7–14 days for delivery!"

Good grief. This is the only subscription where I've actually had the remind the company to send me the things I'm paying for.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 05 May, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
I have the covers volume and issues 15 & 16. They came in the post today.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 05 May, 2018, 02:28:15 PM
Issue 15 and 16 have arrived at last, along with the (very nice) covers book, which I wasn't even expecting!

Cor, this prize just keeps getting bigger...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 05 May, 2018, 02:53:55 PM
No text in the covers book other than very basic info on each cover, which is a shame. But the book itself is absolutely gorgeous. Glad I've gone with getting the the four volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 05 May, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: metcalfecarr on 30 April, 2018, 07:10:30 PM
Has anyone else who's received the Slaine issue got one with the inner pages upside down and back to front?

No, but my Nemesis vol 3 is like that. Did you complain?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sassafras on 08 May, 2018, 10:53:53 AM
Hey All!

I wanted to ask what people's experience of cancelling their subscription is? I've subscribed but I basically only want the first issue (it seems like it's the only reasonable prices way to get slaine: the horned god). What are people's experiences of cancelling after just one or a few issues? They seem big on giving 28 days notice and 28 days to dispatch as well...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 08 May, 2018, 01:39:33 PM
Think you can buy it as a back issue without subscribing. If not then eBay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 May, 2018, 01:43:06 PM
Aye, easy enough to just buy the one issue direct from the Hachette site rather than subscribing and cancelling again!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 08 May, 2018, 03:54:51 PM
Yes, the cheap prices for issues 1 and 2 are not subject to subscribing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sassafras on 08 May, 2018, 05:29:45 PM
Welp...I feel a bit stupid. Didn't cross my mind at all to look to see if they were selling back issues. At least I know now, ordering one is much easier! Cheers guys!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 09 May, 2018, 12:18:58 AM
My missing issues and the Covers special arrived on Saturday, and i have to say im rather glad i opted in. It makes up for the delay in my opinion. Credit where its due they even apologised in letter. I really do think they ought to make more of an effort to respond to facebook questions though. The Judge Dredd Mega collection page was much better in this department. Surely the same company can rectify this before they launch the collection elsewhere?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 09 May, 2018, 09:36:39 AM
Quote from: Woolly on 02 May, 2018, 06:36:16 PM
Fantastic run of books there.
Surprised to see Kenny Who? collection here, and not in the Dredd collection, but I ain't complaining!

Well, obviously they're going to put that in volume 1, everyone knows Who?'s on first.

I don't know what's in volume three.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 May, 2018, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 09 May, 2018, 12:18:58 AMMy missing issues and the Covers special arrived on Saturday, and i have to say im rather glad i opted in.
Nothing here yet. So that now means issue 19 is in stores, and I've yet to receive 18, 17, or the covers book that was supposed to be here two months ago. And I know this is historical stuff and it doesn't much matter when it arrives but even so. (After all, would people here be happy with 2000 AD plopping through their letterbox a week or so after it went on sale in the shops?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 May, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 May, 2018, 09:51:10 AM
(After all, would people here be happy with 2000 AD plopping through their letterbox a week or so after it went on sale in the shops?)

Wouldn't bother me. I've still got the last 10-12 issues to read.

My 17 & 18 plus cover book was attempted to be delivered on Saturday but I was out. I could have gone and picked it up yesterday but have opted for re-delivery tomorrow as I'm a lazy git.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 09 May, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
17 & 18 arrived today, at last. Sketchbook too. Quite nice though I'd assumed it would be hardback too. Still very nice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 May, 2018, 12:16:10 PM
Turns out, mine were dumped outside because Royal Mail employees don't know how to use a doorbell. So what is the sketchbook, then? Is it full of stuff or just empty inside, awaiting sketches? No covers book, though, unsurprisingly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 09 May, 2018, 01:08:13 PM
I also received 17, 18 and the sketchbook today. The latter is a slim tome containing lots of sketches, drafts and alternative versions of artwork from across 2000AD and the Megazine, mostly fairly recent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 09 May, 2018, 01:15:43 PM
Just got 17 and 18 with the sketchbook today. Still waiting on the cover gallery special so I might have to chase them up on that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 09 May, 2018, 01:17:17 PM
I have a regular order for both collections at my local Thrill-merchant. This morning, the Dredd book had arrived but not the 2000AD one. Picked up one of three copies from the shelf at WH Smiths. Not sure if this is related to the issues subscribers are having but hope Hachette get things sorted soon.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 09 May, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
Nowt here yet, but good to hear some are getting through.  Hachette have assured me that the carrier pigeon's on its way so I live in hope I might have 17&18 by the weekend.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 09 May, 2018, 06:33:16 PM
Got 15 and 16 today but no covers or sketchbook so had to remind them again that's every single gift I've had to chase them up for
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 10 May, 2018, 10:41:19 AM
My mistake, just received 15 & 16 but no covers book despite it being mentioned in the dispatch notice.
Just phoned them. 'Packaging error'. Grrrr. Another 2 week wait  :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 10 May, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
has anyone spotted Dante V.3 in the shops yet? Must zip down to FP as soon as it's in
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 10 May, 2018, 03:23:00 PM
Got my Dante v3 yesterday. I get mine from my local comic shop, who orders me a copy alongside my prog. Strangely enough I seem to be ahead of subscribers at present. Is this some glitch?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 10 May, 2018, 03:43:45 PM
What does Dante 3 cover?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 10 May, 2018, 03:51:45 PM
It's got The Courtship Of Jenna Markarov, Love and War (prog 2000), The Rudinstein Regulars, another Love and War (1200 - 1207), Battleship Potemkin, One Last Night in the House Of Sin. Haven't read it yet though so I could have missed some
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 10 May, 2018, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 10 May, 2018, 03:23:00 PM
Got my Dante v3 yesterday. I get mine from my local comic shop, who orders me a copy alongside my prog. Strangely enough I seem to be ahead of subscribers at present. Is this some glitch?

They send them in pairs, so subscribers won't get the Dante one until the Strontium Dog one comes out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 May, 2018, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 10 May, 2018, 03:23:00 PMGot my Dante v3 yesterday. I get mine from my local comic shop, who orders me a copy alongside my prog. Strangely enough I seem to be ahead of subscribers at present. Is this some glitch?
Subscriptions are all messed up for everyone. The last set of books before this one are only just arriving, meaning it's likely subscribers won't get the new Dante book for another four weeks. Hachette have told some people they'll be moving payments gradually backwards to realign subscriptions, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 May, 2018, 04:51:10 PM
Had they stuck to the original schedule subscribers would have been getting Nikolai and Stront right about now.  However there's been some catastrophic balls ups over the last couple of months (mostly related to the extra covers volumes they announced at short notice) which has left subscribers about a month behind the shops.  This has also lead to their FB page being mostly filled with whinging as they've been very bad at communicating about what's going on.

Most subscribers just got 17 & 18, although some got 15 & 16 having been sent 17 & 18 last month instead of 15 & 16.  Several people who opted out of the covers vol have been sent it, many who opted in haven't been sent it.  It's chaos.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 May, 2018, 05:15:30 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 10 May, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
has anyone spotted Dante V.3 in the shops yet? Must zip down to FP as soon as it's in

Yup, grabbed from my newsie this morning!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 10 May, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
so book 9 of nemesis is completely mental then?

weird alternate history 80s with a weird goth love triangle. not what i was expecting
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 May, 2018, 09:49:44 PM
Read Dante book 3 last night.  I'm not going to give anything away as there's bound to be others like me reading for the first time.

While the first two books were enjoyable they were a bit, whimsical and silly at times for lack of a better word, but this really did get a whole lot better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 May, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
Just finished vol 1 of Slaine - wow, that's superb stuff.  Can't wait for the next 2 volumes and then an in context re-read of The Horned God.  Also seeing some of Belardinelli's art has caused me to revise my expectations for Ace Trucking Co, whilst the theme may not appeal a book stacked full of Belardinelli's art sure does.

Jealous of those now picking up Vol 3 of Dante.  The last one was a good read and it sounds like it's going to just keep getting better. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 12 May, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
As I have all of Dante somewhere, spread across about four different formats (but thus difficult to assemble for a re-read), and money is tight yet again, I've been questioning my decision to pick up all the relevant UC volumes: not so after starting into Volume 3.  The pivot in the story that takes place either side of the wonderful Prog 2000 (v1.0) story is breathtaking, Fraser and Burns' art seem to simultaneously scale new heights and stay there, all the fun silly stuff suddenly feels like a necessary counterbalance to all the brutality, and everything, everything, just clicks into place. 

Why this strip isn't on every 10 Comics You Must Read lists, snuggling up between Palomar and Tintin, instead of struggling to find a reprint audience, is beyond comprehension. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 12 May, 2018, 03:35:50 PM

It's the flying bikes shaped like horses. That sounds like a flippant response, but it isn't.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 12 May, 2018, 03:47:46 PM
Nah, I see where you're coming from: I hated all the cod-Tolstoy sorta-steampunky trappings when Dante started in the prog, and if you'd asked me at the time I'd have said it was exactly the kind of visually muddled crap 2000AD didn't need any more of.  Obviously I was completely wrong, and not for the first or last time, but you'd think that from todays's perspective, when it's obvious that the vision is sustained over a huge stretch, and with ever-more confident and coherent art, it'd be easier to take a punt on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 May, 2018, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: sintec on 12 May, 2018, 09:47:09 AMAlso seeing some of Belardinelli's art has caused me to revise my expectations for Ace Trucking Co, whilst the theme may not appeal a book stacked full of Belardinelli's art sure does.
Ace Trucking's art is, to my mind, the pinnacle of Belardinelli's 2000 AD output. Frankly, he never was much cop with people and human anatomy, with characters that always looked a bit stuff and wooden. But with whacky aliens and crazy space stuff, he was superb. His Dare strips had a lot of the latter, but almost all of Ace Trucking is along those lines. The stories might not be top-tier 2000 AD, but I'm glad it's getting an outing in this collection.

Quote from: TordelBack on 12 May, 2018, 03:17:07 PMWhy this strip isn't on every 10 Comics You Must Read lists, snuggling up between Palomar and Tintin, instead of struggling to find a reprint audience, is beyond comprehension.
My guess: he's Russian, and most of these lists are written by Americans. That said, it's a pity Dante doesn't seem to be more read in Europe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 12 May, 2018, 04:18:44 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 May, 2018, 04:07:14 PMThe stories might not be top-tier 2000 AD, but I'm glad it's getting an outing in this collection.

It's deliberately light fare, but there's some great fun to be had in the early-middle period of the strip, rather less so once Evil Blood appears.  And yeah, that art  :o.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 12 May, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 May, 2018, 04:07:14 PM
Ace Trucking's art is, to my mind, the pinnacle of Belardinelli's 2000 AD output.

The stories might not be top-tier 2000 AD, but I'm glad it's getting an outing in this collection.

For my money the early Ace Trucking stories were really good. Ok the later stuff not so much. But on the strength of those Ace Trucking would probably be in my top 20 all time 2000AD strips.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 May, 2018, 07:49:56 PM
We're getting, what 75% of the Ace Trucking run in the collection? (based on 2 * 250 page vols and the 660 page count of the 2 previous collections). 
Hopefully they'll focus on the early-mid period and drop some of the later stories if those aren't as good.

Also - yes book 9 of Nemesis was a bit of a weird one.  Going to have to give it a re-read at some point but on a first reading it didn't really do it for me.  It just seemed a bit of a confused mess.  Whilst the art looked great I don't think it did the story any favours.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 May, 2018, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 May, 2018, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 May, 2018, 03:17:07 PMWhy this strip isn't on every 10 Comics You Must Read lists, snuggling up between Palomar and Tintin, instead of struggling to find a reprint audience, is beyond comprehension.
My guess: he's Russian, and most of these lists are written by Americans. That said, it's a pity Dante doesn't seem to be more read in Europe.

All of this. Its astonishes the strip isn't more lauded - outside 2000ad fandom that is - and it be that the 'elevator' pitch for it doesn't fly in some countries, nor its creators, while successful, not at a level that will drive massive interest. I do wonder why its not picked up more in Europe but that's always been a mystery to me for any number of 2000ad stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 12 May, 2018, 09:00:37 PM
No argument here. Dante is a magnificent multi-year epic that should sit high in not only 2000AD's hall of fame, but that of the medium as a whole. There are several key moments that deserve to rank up with anything you'll find and the [spoiler]Konstantin/"Heroes be damned" moment[/spoiler] is, for me, literally as good as comics get.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 15 May, 2018, 07:38:02 AM
Hi,

So which series are getting a complete print? Nikolai Dante, Slaine and Nemesis?
Is Strontium dog, ABC warriors and Sinister Dexter being completely printed ?

Thanks guys
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 15 May, 2018, 09:17:05 AM
Nikolai - yes
Slaine - unknown
Nemesis - probably
Strontium Dog - no, no Starlord episodes plus the series is still running, so can't be complete anyway.
ABC Warriors - again, it's still running.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 May, 2018, 09:56:09 AM
Nikolai Dante - Yes
Slaine - Probably - but it is still running
Nemesis - probably
Strontium Dog - No Starlord episodes; no Tax Dodge or Roadhouse; plus the series is still running, so nothing post-Life and Death of Johnny Alpha.
ABC Warriors - again, it's still running.
Sinister Dexter - No chance! Far too much to go into three books!
Caballistics - Yes
DR and Qunich - Very likely
Stickleback - No
(Original) Robo Hunter -Yes - and maybe some of the Samantha stories...?
(Original) Trooper - Almost certainly
Meltdown Man - Yes
Shakara - Yes
Kingdom - No
Ace Trucking - Maybe...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 May, 2018, 10:07:09 AM
I do wonder what we'll get with Robo-Hunter. This would have been a good opportunity to do a colour reprint of the Hughes/Hogan stuff, but we've already been told they won't be in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 May, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
We're only getting 2 books of Ace Trucking,  previous collected publication was 2 books of 300+ pages each.  So I suspect we're going to be missing at least 100 pages from the full run (assuming the previous 2 vols were complete).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 May, 2018, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 15 May, 2018, 10:07:09 AM
I do wonder what we'll get with Robo-Hunter. This would have been a good opportunity to do a colour reprint of the Hughes/Hogan stuff, but we've already been told they won't be in there.

Aye, it's interesting. Book II must run up to the end of Play it Again, Sam (because take that away and it would only be 139 pages!). But the rest of the classic run is only another 161 pages - surely not enough to fill a third book? You could fit in the majority of the Samantha Slade stuff but you'd have to leave out the final two stories, so who knows...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 May, 2018, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: sintec on 15 May, 2018, 11:17:48 AMWe're only getting 2 books of Ace Trucking,  previous collected publication was 2 books of 300+ pages each.  So I suspect we're going to be missing at least 100 pages from the full run (assuming the previous 2 vols were complete).
As I recall, they were complete, even including the final annual story (alas, in old-school phone book greyscale, which was a pity with it originally being full-colour). But Ace Trucking is pretty easy to prune. Lots of fat you can trim.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 May, 2018, 11:47:07 AMAye, it's interesting. Book II must run up to the end of Play it Again, Sam (because take that away and it would only be 139 pages!). But the rest of the classic run is only another 161 pages - surely not enough to fill a third book? You could fit in the majority of the Samantha Slade stuff but you'd have to leave out the final two stories, so who knows...?
I'd much sooner see Hogan/Hughes than Samantha Slade, which just sort of stopped and wasn't that good to begin with. Are there definitely three Sam Slade books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 May, 2018, 12:33:22 PM
Quote
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 May, 2018, 11:47:07 AMAye, it's interesting. Book II must run up to the end of Play it Again, Sam (because take that away and it would only be 139 pages!). But the rest of the classic run is only another 161 pages - surely not enough to fill a third book? You could fit in the majority of the Samantha Slade stuff but you'd have to leave out the final two stories, so who knows...?
I'd much sooner see Hogan/Hughes than Samantha Slade, which just sort of stopped and wasn't that good to begin with. Are there definitely three Sam Slade books?

Yup! https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1864124723915851?comment_id=1866367780358212&reply_comment_id=1866716420323348&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D

A very long shot, but maybe book 3 could include the one-off Smith & Weston story from the 1992 sci-fi special, which I seem to remember was as strange and brilliant as you'd expect from those two.

Hmm, there's a quote that doesn't look like a quote there, can anyone help? Thanks.

Fixed quote - IP
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 May, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 15 May, 2018, 12:33:22 PM

Hmm, there's a quote that doesn't look like a quote there, can anyone help? Thanks.
What do you mean?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 May, 2018, 01:21:08 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 May, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 15 May, 2018, 12:33:22 PM

Hmm, there's a quote that doesn't look like a quote there, can anyone help? Thanks.
What do you mean?

It's not in a blue box.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 May, 2018, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 15 May, 2018, 01:21:08 PM
It's not in a blue box.

not enough [ q u o t e ] 's at the beginning? you can write your own by including the [ q u o t e ] and [ / q u o t e ] formatting.

(without all those spaces, naturally. like:
Quotethis, though you can't see it)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 15 May, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 15 May, 2018, 01:21:08 PM

It's not in a blue box.

neither is that Dalek.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 15 May, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
I guess what meant if they would include all published material up to date in Slaine, Strontium dog and ABC warriors?

Thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 May, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: rs_jr on 15 May, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
I guess what meant if they would include all published material up to date in Slaine, Strontium dog and ABC warriors?

Thanks

Very probably as far as Slaine and ABC Warriors go. Strontium Dog will collect up to Life and Death of Johnny Alpha.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 15 May, 2018, 05:52:56 PM
My local(ish*) W H Smith's had the third Nikolai Dante volume. Very nice it is, too.

I never got the others, partly as I own the first 2 (and fifth, strangely.) in the other formats. I might have one or two others in (legal) digital form, I have lost track.) I sort of decided I'd cherry pick the Ultimate collection, rather than buy stuff I have in other formats already, but in the case of Dante, I might just get them all, what with not having that many.

That last run on sentence almost turned into a Slaine quote.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 16 May, 2018, 05:02:43 PM
Did any subscribers actually receive the Covers Special?  I was told they'd sent me a copy on 5th May but I've not received it and it's not shown up on my account.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 May, 2018, 05:18:47 PM
I've received both the covers and the sketchbook, so it definitely exists.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 May, 2018, 07:23:30 PM
4th of May for me. 7–14 working days means it's due before the 24th.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 May, 2018, 09:21:20 PM
I'm looking forward to Ace Trucking Co, and Meltdown Man.  I have the latter in two issues of the 2000AD Ultimate Edition or whatever it was called but a hardback copy will be nice.

I've perhaps asked this before, but Rogue Trooper I guess will be up till the treaty episodes, the last of the 'classic' stuff, and what about Savage.  I've been rereading it and while enjoyable enough, Invasion is horribly dated with the regional stereotypes and the OTT nationalism at times as well as the portrayal of the Volgans.  At least Taking Liberties and The Guv'nor were a bit more mature.  Will we be getting anything post "The Guv'nor"? 

Additionally, how many Nikolai Dante books will there be?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 17 May, 2018, 12:30:55 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 16 May, 2018, 09:21:20 PM
Additionally, how many Nikolai Dante books will there be?

Nine I think. If you hunt upthread someone kindly listed the release dates which I noted in m diary as these are the only ones I desperately want - think it's gotten a week out of whack with v.3  (scheduling change at Hachette? Who'd a thunk it?). They really are lovely books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 May, 2018, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 16 May, 2018, 09:21:20 PM
I've perhaps asked this before, but Rogue Trooper I guess will be up till the treaty episodes, the last of the 'classic' stuff...

I did a bit of my own maths a while back, and the original run (up to the end of the Traitor General arc, anyway) will fit exactly in three volumes. As we've been told we're getting five Rogue volumes it'll be interesting to see what else we get. My guess - a volume of the Horst stuff, Cinnabar, maybe the Hit stories; and one of all the GRennie revival run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 May, 2018, 09:34:34 AM
You ask, you get:  (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1999013920426930?comment_id=1999402150388107&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D)
QuoteDURHAM RED: THE SCARLET CANTOS is issue 71 volume 59, CABALLISTICS, INC. VOL 1 is issue 64 volume 70 and CABALLISTICS, INC. VOL 2 is issue 80 and volume 71.

Such a wait...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 May, 2018, 10:39:29 AM
So Cabs rounds out the collection, unless it's extended? A nice finale, although I hope there'll be enough scope for at least a handful of extra books (and not just extending strips we've already had plenty of). And by 'handful', I mean, say, 20. Or 50. Or another 80.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 May, 2018, 11:48:38 AM
I'd happily take a 3rd book of Kingdom in any extension (assuming there's enough new content to fill a 3rd book by then).

It's a shame to see Cabbalistics so far out.  That was one of the series I was looking forwards to, the horror/occult theme is right up my street.  Still got to have something to look forward to in the last months.  Plenty of goodies lined up in the near future.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 17 May, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
From the fb page. Dark justice is issue 53, includes Dark justice and Fall of Deadworld.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 May, 2018, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: Apestrife on 17 May, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
From the fb page. Dark justice is issue 53, includes Dark justice and Fall of Deadworld.
I was hoping that it would include the Nick Percival sequel, but this is also good stuff.

Oh, and it's 52 not 53 since that is Dante 5.
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection Hi Carl, Dark Justice is issue 52 Volume 3!
Like · Reply · 3h
That makes Kenny Who volume 1 as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 May, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
Dark Justice including Fall of Deadworld and not the Dark Justice sequel is an odd and frankly somewhat irritating decision.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 17 May, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 May, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
Dark Justice including Fall of Deadworld and not the Dark Justice sequel is an odd and frankly somewhat irritating decision.

Or rest of the PJ stuff. Night at Sylvia P., Serial Serial and Lady Killer.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 May, 2018, 03:59:48 PM
For me, it's just an odd match. Dark Justice had a follow-up. Fall of Deadworld isn't it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 17 May, 2018, 04:19:03 PM
See what you mean. Nor Fall of Deadworld followed by Dark Justice.

I think the Dreams of Deadworld episodes would'v worked well with Dark Justice and Dominion. Like a send off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 May, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
it comes across very "what's already been released by Rebellion, so we don't tread on the toes of potential future releases?" But it makes me think I don't want to buy any Rebellion collections until this series is done now, just in case. That's not ideal. Also, if the collection continues, it'd make more sense to have distinct Deadworld books, rather than creating something that's more akin to a primer.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 17 May, 2018, 05:52:39 PM
Aren't we only half-way through Dominion at the moment?
Would be an odd place to end one of these volumes if so.

That said, we won't be getting a complete Kingdom in that respect so... I dunno!  :crazy:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 17 May, 2018, 07:32:03 PM
Wonder if a potential second volume will be as cumbersome. Fitting Dominion p. 1 together with fall of Deadworld book 2. As you say Indigo, would'v made much more sense to have two separate volumes.

With some luck the current Fall of deadworld story ties up some loose ends, and with Dark justice a year away, perhaps they'll make it a deadworld volume instead. Book 1 plus the stories up to date. Put Dark Justice out on a later date with a extension with it and both parts of Dominion (assuming it'll be a two parter).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 17 May, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
I suppose Dominion wasn't in 2000 AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 May, 2018, 10:33:23 PM
I suppose Ro Busters wont be in the collection.  This doesn't really bother me as I have the phone book size edition, but there was a substantial chunk of it in Starlord anyway.  Talking of which, what was the deal with the Starlord artwork, it was beautiful grey scale which contrasted sharply to the 2000ad style, which don't get me wrong wasn't bad, but....different.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 May, 2018, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 17 May, 2018, 10:33:23 PM
Talking of which, what was the deal with the Starlord artwork, it was beautiful grey scale which contrasted sharply to the 2000ad style, which don't get me wrong wasn't bad, but....different.

Just generally better production values, I suppose. That's why it was (the more-expensive-to-produce) Star Lord that was folded into (cheaper-to-produce) 2000AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 18 May, 2018, 09:20:06 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 16 May, 2018, 05:02:43 PM
Did any subscribers actually receive the Covers Special?  I was told they'd sent me a copy on 5th May but I've not received it and it's not shown up on my account.

Quoting myself...yes, I know.

Anyway, turns out 'the logistics' didn't actually get round to sending out my copy until the 15th May, so it should arrive next week.  Anyone else who's been told theirs was dispatched at the same time is probably in the same boat.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 May, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 May, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
As I have all of Dante somewhere, spread across about four different formats (but thus difficult to assemble for a re-read), and money is tight yet again, I've been questioning my decision to pick up all the relevant UC volumes: not so after starting into Volume 3.  The pivot in the story that takes place either side of the wonderful Prog 2000 (v1.0) story is breathtaking, Fraser and Burns' art seem to simultaneously scale new heights and stay there, all the fun silly stuff suddenly feels like a necessary counterbalance to all the brutality, and everything, everything, just clicks into place. 

A thing that struck me on this re-read was how obvious it is that 'Love and War' was written to run after Battleship Potemkin (presumably changed to facilitate Si Fraser's schedule).

In Love and War it's mentioned in passing by Jena to Dante that [spoiler]'your brother killed my sister'[/spoiler] and he doesn't bat an eyelid, and yet his discovery of who did the grisly deed is then an important revelatory moment in Potemkin. Love and War also ends with the climactic - 'Tell him Nikolai D- No. Tell him Nikolai Romanov is coming for him.' And yet in Potemkin he's back to using Dante, and the captions are telling us 'At that time, Nikolai Dante's refusal to take his father's name was mystifying.'
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 18 May, 2018, 10:58:32 AM
Hi guys,

How important is robusters for the ABC warriors and if it needs to be read before.

What about the early Strontium dog that was not published by 2000ad (starlord) how crucial is it before starting the ultimate collection?

Thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 18 May, 2018, 11:03:19 AM
Less for Strontium Dog, there's a recurring character/re-telling from one of the Starlord stories that turns up in the Kreeler Conspiracy.

With Ro-busters, it's more the returning characters like Ro-Jaws, Mek-Quake and Howard Quartz, but I think you'd get along fine without reading Ro-busters first.

There's nothing much plotwise that connects the two, until you get way into it when they revisit events from Ro-busters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 May, 2018, 11:07:54 AM
Quote from: rs_jr on 18 May, 2018, 10:58:32 AM
Hi guys,

How important is robusters for the ABC warriors and if it needs to be read before.

What about the early Strontium dog that was not published by 2000ad (starlord) how crucial is it before starting the ultimate collection?

Strontium Dog... Not very crucial to have read the Starlord strips, no. You'll just miss the introduction of the Gronk - otherwise, there's nothing very continuity-troubling in those early stories.

Ro-Busters is a bit more important to understanding ABC Warriors, I'd say. Initially you only really have to know that between the first ABC adventure (Meknificent Seven) and the second (Black Hole) Hammerstein was, for a while, part of a disaster-solving squad of misfit second-hand robots where he met Ro-Jaws and Mek-Quake (who both later join the ABC Warriors).

Their dastardly boss in Ro-Busters was Howard Quartz, who becomes a major antagonist for the ABC Warriors later on, so the Ro-Busters history definitely gets more important. There's also a prologue/epilogue for the first ABC Warriors story that will make absolutely no sense to you if you haven't read at least some of Ro-Busters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 May, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
Although Pat Mills is busy retconning everything he's previously written at all available opportunities anyway, and so ABC Warriors is basically a mess. Just take the stories as they run and don't worry to much about what went before, I'd say.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 18 May, 2018, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 May, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
ABC Warriors ....  Mess.

I see what you did there.  Clever.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 May, 2018, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 18 May, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
A thing that struck me on this re-read was how obvious it is that 'Love and War' was written to run after Battleship Potemkin (presumably changed to facilitate Si Fraser's schedule).

There seems to be a bit of left hand not knowing what right hand was doing - Can't have been intentional to use the name "Love and War" for both the one shot after Courtship, and also the later book - that's going to be confusing!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 18 May, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: rs_jr on 18 May, 2018, 10:58:32 AM
Hi guys,

How important is robusters for the ABC warriors and if it needs to be read before.

What about the early Strontium dog that was not published by 2000ad (starlord) how crucial is it before starting the ultimate collection?

Thanks

I was REALLY glad that I read Ro-Busters before starting ABC warriors. While the first half of the first Ro-busters volume is a bit of juvenile slog, the rest is pretty great. And it absolutely does set up the backstory and personality of several of the key characters and adds resonance when they show up later.

Starlord Strontium Dog... take it or leave it. The first story chucks you straight in anyway... though the Gronk is introduced in those stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 18 May, 2018, 06:43:58 PM
"The Fall and Rise of Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein" landed in my early 2000AD reading and sticks with me still. Some of Mills at his most potent, and McMahon making some very interesting modifications to his style due to being paired with O'Neill. There's a lot to like in that story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 21 May, 2018, 07:26:12 PM
Having a look over the three Nikolai Dante volumes released so far, and comparing them to previous collections (DC/ Rebellion volumes 1-9) and the progs (stopping briefly to imagine my wife screaming "THE *SAME* F**KING COMIC?!- THREE TIMES?!?!") I have discovered niggles.
The initial splash page of Hachette 1 is missing the text. Was this in the original progs? (Mine are boxed away upstairs, and Emmerdale is on).
Why do the Hachette volumes start by removing all the start of episode captions and logos and episode titles, but then later on start reprinting them?
I love the look and feel of the Hachette versions, but am missing the covers galleries that the earlier editions printed at the back.
Like I say, niggles. Mainly, having reread Dante a couple of times over the last few years, I've always felt that initial text over the very start of the story was vital. Am I wrong? Was it ever supposed to be that way? How did it start in the progs?
I'd go up and check... But after Emmerdale is double Corrie and it's the start of a big week, what with Phelan being back and all.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 21 May, 2018, 09:16:55 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 21 May, 2018, 07:26:12 PM
Having a look over the three Nikolai Dante volumes released so far, and comparing them to previous collections (DC/ Rebellion volumes 1-9) and the progs (stopping briefly to imagine my wife screaming "THE *SAME* F**KING COMIC?!- THREE TIMES?!?!") I have discovered niggles.
The initial splash page of Hachette 1 is missing the text. Was this in the original progs? (Mine are boxed away upstairs, and Emmerdale is on).
Why do the Hachette volumes start by removing all the start of episode captions and logos and episode titles, but then later on start reprinting them?
I love the look and feel of the Hachette versions, but am missing the covers galleries that the earlier editions printed at the back.
Like I say, niggles. Mainly, having reread Dante a couple of times over the last few years, I've always felt that initial text over the very start of the story was vital. Am I wrong? Was it ever supposed to be that way? How did it start in the progs?
I'd go up and check... But after Emmerdale is double Corrie and it's the start of a big week, what with Phelan being back and all.

SBT

I'm not sure about all this, having never read Dante before these volumes. I think I picked up on all the events well enough though, and with volume 3 thought the contrasting styles of Simon Fraser and John Burns fitted the developing storylines very well. Great stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: glassstanley on 21 May, 2018, 11:23:38 PM

Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 21 May, 2018, 07:26:12 PM

The initial splash page of Hachette 1 is missing the text. Was this in the original progs? (Mine are boxed away upstairs, and Emmerdale is on).
Why do the Hachette volumes start by removing all the start of episode captions and logos and episode titles, but then later on start reprinting them?


The text was there in the prog, & first two GN editions. It was removed from the art for the previous reprint. There, it was printed on it's own on the page immediately before the initial splash.

Looks like whoever sent the files to Hachette didn't realise this had happened.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 May, 2018, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: glassstanley on 21 May, 2018, 11:23:38 PM
Looks like whoever sent the files to Hachette didn't realise this had happened.
I was under the impression that Rebellion were designing these books in-house?
(see comment from Pye Parr who didn't get to design this series (https://twitter.com/PyeParr/status/974019441435570178) though I suppose i might have misinterpreted that)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 May, 2018, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: glassstanley on 21 May, 2018, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 21 May, 2018, 07:26:12 PM
The initial splash page of Hachette 1 is missing the text. Was this in the original progs? (Mine are boxed away upstairs, and Emmerdale is on).
Why do the Hachette volumes start by removing all the start of episode captions and logos and episode titles, but then later on start reprinting them?


The text was there in the prog, & first two GN editions. It was removed from the art for the previous reprint. There, it was printed on it's own on the page immediately before the initial splash.

Looks like whoever sent the files to Hachette didn't realise this had happened.

The 'missing' text is, perhaps, rendered a bit redundant by the 'Story so far' blurb just two pages earlier...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 22 May, 2018, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: glassstanley on 21 May, 2018, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 21 May, 2018, 07:26:12 PM
The initial splash page of Hachette 1 is missing the text. Was this in the original progs? (Mine are boxed away upstairs, and Emmerdale is on).

The text was there in the prog, & first two GN editions. It was removed from the art for the previous reprint. There, it was printed on it's own on the page immediately before the initial splash.

While I'll happily campaign for the inclusion of the 'historical' captions, and indeed all the episode-break paraphenalia, I've always hated that introductory blurb.  Put me right off, it did!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: djbawbag on 22 May, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
What was the text?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 May, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
So volume 20 contains - Bad Boys Bust, Portrait of a Mutant, Gronk Affair, Kid Knee Caper and The Moses Incident. One hell of a line-up...!

Repro is generally excellent, although some of Moses Incident looks just a touch heavy with the blacks to me. Hard to know for certain without another edition to compare it to, though. Even so, it's hard to imagine any new readers who didn't quite see what the fuss was about with vol.1 not being won over this time!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 May, 2018, 03:27:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 22 May, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
it's hard to imagine any new readers who didn't quite see what the fuss was about with vol.1 not being won over this time!

I'm really looking forward to this volume for precisely that reason.  Reading Strontium Dog was one of the main reasons I initially signed up for this series.  The 2 modern volumes have both been fantastic but Vol 1 was a bit lacklustre I'm hoping 2 is going to be a different beast.

Shame it's still a month away for us postal subscribers :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2018, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: sintec on 23 May, 2018, 03:27:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 22 May, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
it's hard to imagine any new readers who didn't quite see what the fuss was about with vol.1 not being won over this time!

The 2 modern volumes have both been fantastic but Vol 1 was a bit lacklustre I'm hoping 2 is going to be a different beast.

Aye, the big shame of not including the Starlord strips are that Galaxy Killers and Journey Into Hell are thrust forward as an introduction to the characters and set-up; and they aren't really very good at that, being off-kilter a-typical tales. It isn't really until Schiklegruber Grab that the strip starts to feel like 'proper' Strontium Dog, for my money...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 29 May, 2018, 06:35:42 AM
Any idea if Defoe will be included?

and is Defoe done or is it winding down?

Thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 29 May, 2018, 06:54:49 AM
Quote from: rs_jr on 29 May, 2018, 06:35:42 AM
is Defoe done or is it winding down?

Colin MacNeil doesn't want to do another book, so the strip's back in limbo.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 29 May, 2018, 07:38:46 AM
Quote from: Frank on 29 May, 2018, 06:54:49 AM
Colin MacNeil doesn't want to do another book, so the strip's back in limbo.

Undead, you say?  A-huhnnn-huhnnn-huhnnn.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 May, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
I don't recall Defoe being on any of the previously discussed lists of upcoming titles. Maybe one for an extension should one happen.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 29 May, 2018, 12:32:56 PM
Loved Strontium Dog volume 2. The team knew exactly what they were doing with the character and his world, resulting in one of the most iconic stories in Tooth's history with Portrait of a Mutant. Brilliant stuff, Johnny's introspection balanced with the action and Wulf's pragmatism. Can't wait for more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 29 May, 2018, 05:13:44 PM
i would rather have anything by john smith than defoe in the collection if i was being honest
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 29 May, 2018, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: Frank on 29 May, 2018, 06:54:49 AM
Quote from: rs_jr on 29 May, 2018, 06:35:42 AM
is Defoe done or is it winding down?

Colin MacNeil doesn't want to do another book, so the strip's back in limbo.

Dumb question, but can't they give it too another artist ( or should I say can't Pat choose another artist to do it)?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 29 May, 2018, 07:27:10 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 29 May, 2018, 07:01:19 PM
Dumb question, but can't they give it too another artist ( or should I say can't Pat choose another artist to do it)?

I'm sure Pat said he was struggling to find one, even though I've helpfully volunteered Pete Doherty for the job. :-)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 29 May, 2018, 09:32:49 PM
Wow I'm pretty shocked that Pat can't find a suitable artist - not that I know anything about the process, but I would have thought there would be lots out there who would jump at the chance.

Not sure if you were being serious about Pete Doherty, but he would be great.
After a quick check of Wikipedia I am a bit surprised at how long it has been since he has done any stories for Tharg - more than ten years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 29 May, 2018, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 29 May, 2018, 07:01:19 PM
I'm pretty shocked that Pat can't find a suitable artist ...

David Hitchcock (https://i.imgur.com/xXa5Uiw.png) and Stewart K Moore (https://i.imgur.com/riGDxdA.png) have spoken publicly about auditioning without success. Another published artist fared no better.

Defoe's a tricky gig. Artists who are great at the gore and horror atmospherics might not be so adept at action and designing new technology*, and vice versa.


* I don't know if Defoe was specifically designed to play to Leigh Gallagher's strengths, but that seems to be how it worked out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 29 May, 2018, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 29 May, 2018, 09:32:49 PM
Not sure if you were being serious about Pete Doherty, but he would be great.

I was joking in the sense that I regularly give him shit about not drawing enough comics, and in the sense that there is even the slightest chance that I could catch the ear of Mr Mills, but not with the actual suggestion. I think Pete would absolutely knock it out of the park. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 30 May, 2018, 05:36:32 AM
It's a shame about Colin, i thought he did an incredible job. Tiernan Trevallion seems the obvious choice to me, but if he got diverted from Absalom I would be most displeased. However, I'm now drooling at just the merest passing thought of a Chris Weston version...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 30 May, 2018, 08:10:24 PM
Clint Langley on ink.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 30 May, 2018, 11:55:04 PM
Jesus Redondo still chugging at 83... man does a good horror turn.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 31 May, 2018, 01:25:12 AM
Quote from: BPP on 30 May, 2018, 11:55:04 PM
Jesus Redondo still chugging at 83... man does a good horror turn.

I remember he did a few of the old Starblazer comics, like Promised Planet and Pirates of the Ether Sea.  When I saw his origin of Torquemada in Nemesis, I instantly recognised his style.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--4hr0VVr3ok/VucQvcnVQSI/AAAAAAAAKWM/p7cO_lCHopcOPTD0GQA2HQwwAbG9_q0Tg/s640/starblazer%2B96b.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2018, 03:26:51 PM
"Issue 19 and 20 were dispatched on the 25/05/2018 expect delivery before the 08/06/2018. for any further assistance send us a private massage."

So rather than bringing these subscriptions closer to their original schedule, that's a two-day slip. Oh well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 31 May, 2018, 03:41:05 PM
Demanding a private massage into the bargain is just taking the piss...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
"We are still waiting for the new dispatch schedule from the publisher as soon as its available we will adjust the dispatch dates."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 31 May, 2018, 05:12:54 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
"We are still waiting for the new dispatch schedule from the publisher as soon as its available we will adjust the dispatch dates."

But people are buying them in the shops already. Can't believe what a shambles they are making of getting books out to subscribers.

Don't recall similar issues with the Dredd series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 31 May, 2018, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 31 May, 2018, 05:12:54 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
"We are still waiting for the new dispatch schedule from the publisher as soon as its available we will adjust the dispatch dates."

But people are buying them in the shops already. Can't believe what a shambles they are making of getting books out to subscribers.

Not only that - my newsie often has them on the shelf the day before it's 'officially' out!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 May, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2018, 03:26:51 PM
"Issue 19 and 20 were dispatched on the 25/05/2018 expect delivery before the 08/06/2018.

I'm also confused why it takes 10 working days for a delivery to arrive at my house after it's been dispatched.  Everything else posted via Royal Mail is faster than that.  Hell I've consistently had parcels from Europe arrive faster than that.  Are they paying for an extra slow delivery service or is their definition of dispatched not the same as mine (i.e. in the post and on it's way to your house)?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 31 May, 2018, 06:33:25 PM
Because they don't post them on that day. That is the day the order is sent down from the CS unit to the warehouse.

And getting books after they appear in shops...Buy them in the shops then if you are that bothered.

Seriously, this is some material we have all ready from between 40-5 years ago. We all have it (or most of us do).

Chill.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2018, 07:06:47 PM
The problem is about having to chase. So far, I've had to do that with two of the extras and two sets of books, which weren't dispatched at all until after I'd asked for them. That's the problem when schedules go awry.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 01 June, 2018, 07:54:50 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2018, 07:06:47 PM
The problem is about having to chase. So far, I've had to do that with two of the extras and two sets of books, which weren't dispatched at all until after I'd asked for them. That's the problem when schedules go awry.

Fair enough, that is a ball ache.
I had the last 9 parcels (3 vols per parcel) of the DC Grahic Novel Collection not turn up (obviously postie likes the DC books) whilst the Marvel, Dredd and 2000 AD ones have never failed to arrive.

Had to phone Eaglemoss every single month which put me behind on the schedule. They did catch me up and finally listened as the last delivery came via Yodel.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 June, 2018, 07:57:24 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 31 May, 2018, 06:33:25 PM
Buy them in the shops then if you are that bothered.

If there was a decent local newsagent near me I would.

Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 31 May, 2018, 06:33:25 PM
Seriously, this is some material we have all ready from between 40-5 years ago. We all have it (or most of us do).

Speak for yourself, this is mostly new material to me.  And I'd be amazed if I owned it 40 years ago being (marginally) younger than that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 June, 2018, 10:11:28 AM
Sintec makes a good point. Sure, many of the people on the forum will have read this material before, and may even be using these volumes to replace existing reprint. But that isn't the case for everyone. Many will have been drawn back to the 2000 AD brand through these books, looking forward to catching up with strips they once loved and reading new things.

When you subscribe to something, there's an implicit expectation regarding a schedule. There's also an understanding that you'll be getting the content delivered to you on or before the on-sale date in the shops. We now have a situation with the 2000 AD collection where the subscription copies are arriving while the first book of the next set is out on the shelves, which is something I've never before experienced with a single collection.

Some people clearly don't care about this, because everyone will get the books eventually. But it does knock the 2000 AD brand (given its association with the series), and it's causing people at every point to wonder where their books are. When you've a Facebook group saying Volume X is out now, and none of the subscribers have had Volume X-1 and Volume X-2, despite subscriptions these days being the lifeblood of every publication, it all feels a bit absurd. Moreover, quite what "the new dispatch schedule from the publisher" means (in the message to me), I've no idea. As moogie101 noted, it's not like these books aren't already in the wild.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 01 June, 2018, 10:40:42 AM
The other thing as well with regards to this issue is that whilst it is possible at present to pick up volumes from some high street retailers, that is a situation that is not likely to last much longer.  Most part-works move over to subscription only once they've established themselves.  This begs the question of what is going to happen with this series then. 

If they are relatively freely available in shops then it is clearly a problem in the subscription department rather than from the publishers.  Once that is the only channel open to folks then where is that going to leave the series?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 June, 2018, 10:46:00 AM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 01 June, 2018, 10:40:42 AM
The other thing as well with regards to this issue is that whilst it is possible at present to pick up volumes from some high street retailers, that is a situation that is not likely to last much longer.

If they are relatively freely available in shops then it is clearly a problem in the subscription department rather than from the publishers.  Once that is the only channel open to folks then where is that going to leave the series?

Really good point. My newsie gets in a single copy of each issue, but I suspect they would have long since stopped stocking it if I wasn't buying that single copy virtually every fortnight. I'm almost scared to skip a volume!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 June, 2018, 11:22:56 AM
Well, that's  another concern. Don't piss off your subscribers because they will stop subscribing. That is a major problem for a partwork – or any niche title. They should be doing their best to get subscriptions back on track. Instead, they appear to be saying one thing and doing another.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 01 June, 2018, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 01 June, 2018, 10:40:42 AM
The other thing as well with regards to this issue is that whilst it is possible at present to pick up volumes from some high street retailers, that is a situation that is not likely to last much longer.  Most part-works move over to subscription only once they've established themselves.  This begs the question of what is going to happen with this series then. 

If they are relatively freely available in shops then it is clearly a problem in the subscription department rather than from the publishers.  Once that is the only channel open to folks then where is that going to leave the series?


If there is a partwork I like but do not wish to subscribe to (mainly because the free gifts do not appeal) I ask my local newsie to order it for me. Currently have Doctor Who: The Complete History and the Star Trek Graphic Novel collection on order from my newsie. Doctor who finishes, in 9 months time, with it's 79th volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 June, 2018, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 June, 2018, 11:22:56 AM
Well, that's  another concern. Don't piss off your subscribers because they will stop subscribing.

It's not great customer service, that's true, but It just seems that the threshold for people to get pissed off and have a social media meltdown has been dramatically reduced in recent years. My opinion may be coloured by the amount of first-world whiners  tweeting today about how they can't buy their avocados and lattes because Visa is down.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 June, 2018, 10:43:18 AM
Card payment moved forward by two days for me. No sign that I've been charged for the covers book though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 June, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
...and issues 18-19 just delivered, five days earlier than last month.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 04 June, 2018, 11:06:49 AM
I've literally just had issues 19 & 20 delivered.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 June, 2018, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 04 June, 2018, 10:43:18 AM
Card payment moved forward by two days for me. No sign that I've been charged for the covers book though.

Exactly the same situation here.  Although I was told last week that it had been dispatched under separate cover on the same day as issues 19 & 20.  Seems odd they'd dispatch something without taking the money, guess I'll just have to wait and see what drops through the letterbox.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 04 June, 2018, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 04 June, 2018, 11:06:49 AM
I've literally just had issues 19 & 20 delivered.

Yeah same for me
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 June, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
Mine arrived also. Covers book showed up separately.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 June, 2018, 08:48:23 AM
I have covers book but no 19 & 20, suspect those will probably show up shortly.

Covers book came with a nice confusing letter/invoice telling me to pay £0.00 online and they'll send the next despatch once they've received it.  It also offerred to get me my next issuses quicker if I paid by DD (which I already do).  I thought the covers issues were extra not freebies? 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 June, 2018, 08:53:21 AM
Covers are extra. I suspect they'll get around to charging people eventually.  And the subs were supposed to be "pushed" in their words, but haven't been.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 June, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
Well, vol.21 is that rarest of things - something I haven't read! Ace Trucking Co. has managed to remain a rare but significant gap in my Tooth reading (at least when it comes to the real classics). Really looking forward to getting stuck in properly - if nothing else Massimo's art looks sublime, and the repro all looks tip-top.

It includes everything up to and including Too Many Bams, minus Hell's Pocket (the Ian Gibson-drawn story). It also has a two-page colour glossary at the back of the afterword (presumably the one from prog 232...?) which is a nice touch.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 June, 2018, 07:30:08 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 June, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
Well, vol.21 is that rarest of things - something I haven't read! Ace Trucking Co. has managed to remain a rare but significant gap in my Tooth reading (at least when it comes to the real classics). Really looking forward to getting stuck in properly - if nothing else Massimo's art looks sublime, and the repro all looks tip-top.

It includes everything up to and including Too Many Bams, minus Hell's Pocket (the Ian Gibson-drawn story). It also has a two-page colour glossary at the back of the afterword (presumably the one from prog 232...?) which is a nice touch.

Don't think I knew before that Ian Gibson had drawn an Ace story, I had assumed it was all Massimo until the recent revival. Be interested to see that one.

Page count of remaining stories for volume 2 would suggest everything up to and including The Croakside Trip, omitting The Doppelgarp and The Garpetbaggers. I remember chuckling at those stories and the likes of Al Capon and Rooster Cogburn, but maybe I've got those rose-tinted glasses on again as they did go on a bit. Looking forward to reading volume 1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 June, 2018, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 06 June, 2018, 07:30:08 AM
Page count of remaining stories for volume 2 would suggest everything up to and including The Croakside Trip, omitting The Doppelgarp and The Garpetbaggers.

That seems to be the natural point for the split, doesn't it? Hopefully with the Annual stories included, too (I have seen a few colour pages of Stowaway Lugjacker online and oh my goodness it's gorgeous)...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 06 June, 2018, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 06 June, 2018, 07:30:08 AM
Don't think I knew before that Ian Gibson had drawn an Ace story, I had assumed it was all Massimo until the recent revival. Be interested to see that one.

I think there was a postal strike somewhere that affected Massimo's ability to get pages in, so one story was drawn by Gibson, either under his Emberton or Q. Twerk pseudonym — memory fails me and i'm too lazy to Google...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 June, 2018, 10:28:22 AM
Under his own name, apparently - and doing a pretty creditable (but not slavish) Belardinelli impression -
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_5526/subcat_9828/atcig1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 06 June, 2018, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 June, 2018, 11:22:56 AM
Well, that's  another concern. Don't piss off your subscribers because they will stop subscribing. That is a major problem for a partwork – or any niche title. They should be doing their best to get subscriptions back on track. Instead, they appear to be saying one thing and doing another.
Not wishing to put the cat amongst the pigeons on subs any more, but I've now encountered two subscribers who got Ace & Kenny this week instead of Dante & Stront. Neither missed a delivery in March either. Which makes me wonder if pushing hard could get a double-ship such as IndigoPrime did with JDMC in order to catch up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 June, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
So those two subscribers are fully up to date?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 06 June, 2018, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 June, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
So those two subscribers are fully up to date?
Yeah. One on the FB page and one from the TMUK forum. Both say they have gotten all 22 issues without missing a delivery. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 June, 2018, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 June, 2018, 11:22:56 AM
Which makes me wonder if pushing hard could get a double-ship such as IndigoPrime did with JDMC in order to catch up.

I've just sent a PM asking pretty much exactly that - will report back if/when I get a reply.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 June, 2018, 02:57:23 PM
Quoteissue b21 and 22 will be dispatched on the 22/06/2018.

We are still waiting for the new schedule to catch up.as soon as it is available we will dispatch issues sooner.

Which doesn't really explain why some postal subscribers are reporting being fully up to date whilst the rest of us languish a month+ behind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 06 June, 2018, 03:33:58 PM
Yeah we should keep pressing them!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 June, 2018, 03:40:06 PM
I did point out in my reply that there would be a lot less whinging on the FB group if things were done to a reasonable approximation of on-time.  Not expecting miracles but it'd be nice if the books were dispatched such that they arrived before the next pair start hitting the shops.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 06 June, 2018, 03:49:00 PM
They never reply to me when I make that point, except sometimes to say that they've fulfilled their contractual obligations, etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 June, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
"All our subscribers have not receive issue 21/22 as yet issues will be dispatched on the 22/06/2018."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 06 June, 2018, 04:00:38 PM
Quote from: sintec on 06 June, 2018, 03:40:06 PM
I did point out in my reply that there would be a lot less whinging on the FB group if things were done to a reasonable approximation of on-time.  Not expecting miracles but it'd be nice if the books were dispatched such that they arrived before the next pair start hitting the shops.

Yeah I think that's all anyone wants
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 June, 2018, 04:11:38 PM
"we are still waiting for the new adjusted dispatch to go back to the normal schedule."

*sigh*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 06 June, 2018, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 June, 2018, 04:11:38 PM
"we are still waiting for the new adjusted dispatch to go back to the normal schedule."

*sigh*

I sense a new copy paste response. Not had a reply to my email yet, wonder if I will have that in there too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: walrus on 06 June, 2018, 06:18:05 PM
I am up to date too and never had the gap which other subscribers on here had, with my delivery this week being Kenny Who and ACE Trucking. I don't know why I didn't have that gap and others did.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 June, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 June, 2018, 10:28:22 AM
Under his own name, apparently - and doing a pretty creditable (but not slavish) Belardinelli impression -
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_5526/subcat_9828/atcig1.jpg)

Great, thanks for posting.

In the penultimate issue of the Dredd Mega Collection, obtained from my local Thrill-merchant today, there's a flyer for the Tooth collection saying there'll be a free copy of The Horned God with issue 90 of Dredd - clearly a ploy to ensnare new subscribers, but it looks like the subs department need to get their act together first.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 June, 2018, 11:54:18 AM
The FB page has a dumb new line on this:
QuoteUnfortunately, some customers who opted out of specials near the end of March were processed differently in our system and therefore won't be brought back up to their previous dispatch schedule.
My proverbial!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 07 June, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
Extremely dumb, given that I didn't opt out and still had a delay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 June, 2018, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 07 June, 2018, 11:54:18 AM
The FB page has a dumb new line on this:
QuoteUnfortunately, some customers who opted out of specials near the end of March were processed differently in our system and therefore won't be brought back up to their previous dispatch schedule.
My proverbial!
What's the link for this post?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 June, 2018, 01:20:11 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 June, 2018, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 07 June, 2018, 11:54:18 AM
The FB page has a dumb new line on this:
QuoteUnfortunately, some customers who opted out of specials near the end of March were processed differently in our system and therefore won't be brought back up to their previous dispatch schedule.
My proverbial!
What's the link for this post?
Sorry, pasted after just about every reply on here (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/photos/a.1849714002023590.1073741829.1822323628095961/2007233232938332/?type=3&theater)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 June, 2018, 01:28:01 PM
Yep – found it. That's just utter bollocks. I don't know whether anyone at Rebellion is following this nor whether they have any insight, but perhaps someone might suggest Hachette recognises what an utter balls-up they're making of this mess. At best, they're outright lying to subscribers; at worst, they're now stating that people who didn't opt into previously unannounced volumes will have to put up with being a month behind schedule, while seemingly hand-waving away people who didn't opt out, despite many having the same problem.

Imagine 2000 AD added an extra special into the subscription, and which you had to pay a fiver for, but gave you the chance to opt out. And then people who didn't opt out had to chase Rebellion because the thing never showed up. And then their actual 2000 AD subscription ended up running over a fortnight late. And then they're told "well, people who opted out can basically get stuffed and will stay running late". Well, you probably can't, because that would never happen.

These books are great, and I'll stick with my sub regardless; and fundamentally, it doesn't really matter given that I have a reading pile, and have read this stuff before. But good grief, this is a shambles from a customer services standpoint. But it must be impacting on sales. Worse, it must have a knock-on effect on the 2000 AD brand (which is otherwise dealt with in sterling fashion by Rebellion itself – its mail order arm is superb, and they never give you the runaround).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 07 June, 2018, 02:50:14 PM
What a load of rubbish I didn't opt out of anything and  I only got 19 and 20 this week they really are starting to bring a bad taste to this and very tempted to cancel but no doubt that would prove to be a nightmare
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 07 June, 2018, 02:53:20 PM
I'm the same.
Didn't opt out and am behind too having received 19 and 20 this week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 June, 2018, 04:29:20 PM
I just wish they'd be honest about the situation. What they need to say is something like:

As many subscribers are aware, a scheduling error earlier this year has caused a delay with subscription copies being distributed. We apologise for this and are working to rectify the matter. After the next delivery, you an expect to receive new books every three weeks, rather than every four, until your subscription is back up to speed again. Please DM us if you need any further information.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 June, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Wow - that's really lame.

As IndigoPrime said they just need to fess up and sort it out.  They can't retrofit a 2-tier delivery schedule based on who did/didn't opt out of an optional extra volume, that's unfair and insane.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 June, 2018, 06:55:34 PM
And even if it weren't, it's being inconsistently applied anyway, so almost no-one is happy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 09 June, 2018, 08:47:41 PM
Well, I read Ace Trucking Co, and it was fun, silly, but fun.

I wasn't a fan of this in the day but can appreciate it a bit more.  My older brother had had an old 40 Channel CB at home, so I knew of the craze.  I watched the films like Convoy, Smokey and the Bandit and other stuff like that.

The artwork of Bellardinelli really is awesome.  I only spotted two humans in Ace so far, his arch enemy of the Yellow line and the guy with an eye patch in the mail run story.

Fatty or whatever he's called, reminded me of another alien from some other story.  It might not even have been a 2000AD one, but I seem to remember a story with a character with a huge nose with a nose patch.  I'm NOT thinking of Citizen Snork from Dredd.

So what's next.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 10 June, 2018, 12:03:28 PM
Next up is Dredd: The Art of Kenny Who?, which I think will be an all-Cam Kennedy volume in the style of the previous Carlos Ezquerra volume. Contents as yet unknown aside from the title story, but, on checking Barney, Cam's remaining Dredd stories from the progs that haven't appeared in the Dredd collection would be a perfect fit. There may be some special/annual stories too though.

After that it's the second volumes of Rogue Trooper and ABC Warriors, then Meltdown Man.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 June, 2018, 01:54:02 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 10 June, 2018, 12:03:28 PMContents as yet unknown aside from the title story
I suspect it'll be very similar to the Rebellion volume (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN272), which at 272 pages clocks in at very close to the Hachette requirement (~300, IIRC). If so, that's: The Art of Kenny Who?; Bodies of Evidence; Beyond Our Kenny; Blackout; Who? Dares Wins; SABs; Alien Wedding; The Student Prince; It's Deja Vu all over again; Block Court; Finger of Suspicion; Big Deal At Drekk City; The Bazooka. And perhaps a couple more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 10 June, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 June, 2018, 01:54:02 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 10 June, 2018, 12:03:28 PMContents as yet unknown aside from the title story
I suspect it'll be very similar to the Rebellion volume (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN272), which at 272 pages clocks in at very close to the Hachette requirement (~300, IIRC). If so, that's: The Art of Kenny Who?; Bodies of Evidence; Beyond Our Kenny; Blackout; Who? Dares Wins; SABs; Alien Wedding; The Student Prince; It's Deja Vu all over again; Block Court; Finger of Suspicion; Big Deal At Drekk City; The Bazooka. And perhaps a couple more.

Several of those have already appeared in the Dredd collection and we've been promised no duplication. Also I think the average page count is around 200. It would be good to see Beyond our Kenny included but because that was in the Megazine is it eligible?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 June, 2018, 08:38:49 PM
Matt mentioned on a podcast there was a sweet spot zone for these collections, and it was definitely north of 200. The ones we've had so far would prove that. As for duplication, fair point. That said, we got duplication within the Dredd collection in one case, so who really knows?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: walrus on 11 June, 2018, 04:42:47 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 June, 2018, 01:54:02 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 10 June, 2018, 12:03:28 PMContents as yet unknown aside from the title story
I suspect it'll be very similar to the Rebellion volume (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN272), which at 272 pages clocks in at very close to the Hachette requirement (~300, IIRC). If so, that's: The Art of Kenny Who?; Bodies of Evidence; Beyond Our Kenny; Blackout; Who? Dares Wins; SABs; Alien Wedding; The Student Prince; It's Deja Vu all over again; Block Court; Finger of Suspicion; Big Deal At Drekk City; The Bazooka. And perhaps a couple more.

Contents are:

The Art of Kenny Who
Beyond Kenny
Who? Dares Wins
I, Beast
Auld Acquaintance
Bodies of Evidence
Big Deal At Drekk City
Blackout
Suspect
The Warlord
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 June, 2018, 07:35:33 PM
...huh. I think I prefer the contents of the Rebellion softback, to be honest. I suppose this gives a better spread of Cam's many Dredd 'eras', though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 11 June, 2018, 10:15:58 PM
Megazine stories in the Tooth collection eh? I guess this means all bets are off....maybe.

I enjoyed Ace Trucking volume 1, although Too Many Bams was maybe a bit too silly. Good to see one of Massimo's self-portraits in action though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 June, 2018, 09:17:20 PM
Wow, Dante really goes off like a rocket doesn't it.  John Burns art is incredible and the switch between artists works so well to set the new mood going into those stories.  Then back to Simon Fraser for Battleship Potemkin which is an incredible cliffhanger to end on. How long have we got to wait for the next one?

Strontium Dog was also great, if slightly eclipsed by it's partner.  I actually read this one first as this series was one of the main reasons for subscribing in the first place. It's sad that Potrait Of A Mutant is still so relevant to today's politics but it really resonates with current climate (much as I'm sure it did back in the day).  The less serious episodes in here were great too, I think they've aged much better then the contents of vol 1.  Again looking forward to the next one but not with quite such bated breath.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 12 June, 2018, 11:50:26 PM
Issue 35 so it'll be a while but its so worth it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 June, 2018, 12:01:39 AM
Start of next year then given the current delivery schedule.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 June, 2018, 07:22:22 AM
Quote from: sintec on 13 June, 2018, 12:01:39 AM
Start of next year then given the current delivery schedule.

Dante 4 (issue 35) comes out in December, so... You're not far off at all!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Robes on 14 June, 2018, 06:57:12 PM
For the record, I didn't opt out and I only received 19 and 20 a couple days ago.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 19 June, 2018, 07:46:57 PM
Hi folks.

Anyone on here know if Issue 13 (Volume 23) 'The ABC Warriors/Volume one' was reprinted/released twice? I have two copies of it and for the life of me dont know how. I remember picking up a 'double' issue from my newsagent. Ive checked both copies and cant see any printing errors etc.
Any help be much appreciated.

Thanks 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 19 June, 2018, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 19 June, 2018, 07:46:57 PM
Hi folks.

Anyone on here know if Issue 13 (Volume 23) 'The ABC Warriors/Volume one' was reprinted/released twice? I have two copies of it and for the life of me dont know how. I remember picking up a 'double' issue from my newsagent. Ive checked both copies and cant see any printing errors etc.
Any help be much appreciated.

Thanks

I think that was the issue where the first one had a misaligned spine image so they reprinted and reissued.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 June, 2018, 05:53:56 AM
wasn't it nemesis book 2 that had the wonky spine
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 June, 2018, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 June, 2018, 05:53:56 AM
wasn't it nemesis book 2 that had the wonky spine

Yes
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 23 June, 2018, 12:33:31 AM
Last night I blitzed my way through The Art of Kenny Who.  I can't say I remember any of these stories and while some of the scots stereotypes are a bit cringeworthy it was a great laugh.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 June, 2018, 09:53:47 PM
I liked the Kenny Who? volume, the title trilogy was great fun, and Cam's art throughout balances the action and comedy brilliantly. I enjoyed The Warlord despite the questionable language, and it's a significant story in Dredd chronology as its events prompt the first resignation of McGruder.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 June, 2018, 01:45:06 PM
Was just enquiring about the next two Slaine books, the last of the b&w material.

Vol 2 is coming soon in issue 26, after Meltdown Man, and Vol 3 is issue 32.

My my reckoning, after that we can expect another Slaine book every six issues or so.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 29 June, 2018, 02:09:11 PM
I'm just kicking my heels until Dante v.4 comes out, which I believe isn't till December *sigh*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 June, 2018, 05:19:26 PM
I'm just kicking my heels waiting for last months books to drop through the letterbox -sigh-

Quote from: Tomwe on 29 June, 2018, 01:45:06 PM
My my reckoning, after that we can expect another Slaine book every six issues or so.

Yeah I came to a similar conclusion recently - they could have done with spreading those out a bit more imo but it is what it is.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 June, 2018, 07:26:57 PM
Having been a bit fed up of the sub and looking at pennies, I'm starting to mull a bit. Do I really need these books. I fired up Scrivener, and reckon that if I was buying single issues at ten quid a pop, I'd actually only buy 36 of them. In the first quarter, though, I would have bought 13 and would keep another 3 if I didn't have a complete set. Almost feels like a jumping off and cherry pick point right now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 June, 2018, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 June, 2018, 07:26:57 PM
Allmost feels like a jumping off and cherry pick point right now.
Say it ain't so  :D My own double-dip risk is limited to ABC Warriors (oh and Dark Justice), as a returning Squaxx. I'll be in it for the long haul.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 01 July, 2018, 01:21:17 AM
Don't worry, it's only 4 short months until *checks list* Robo Hunter volume 2, oh no

I am genuinely excited about Kingdom volume 2 being straight after it though (issue 31). I'm not sure if Sinister Dexter is going to overlap with the 2016 Megazine floppies, but that's potentially a draw for me too, even if it's a re-read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 July, 2018, 08:25:12 AM
Quote from: athorist on 01 July, 2018, 01:21:17 AM
I am genuinely excited about Kingdom volume 2 being straight after it though (issue 31).

Where did you get this info? 
I thought Kingdom was issue 30, with Skizz being 29.   

Can't wait for that 2nd volume of Kingdom. Skizz also looks like fun.  Vol 2 of Robo-hunter on the other hand... meh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 01 July, 2018, 10:17:51 AM
i doubt it will happen but i would love eurocrash in hardcover as it should have been printed
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2018, 11:26:27 AM
Oddly, I think I wouldn't be mulling dropping my sub if I knew the series would continue past 80 volumes, like the Marvel one. But I'm not excited about replacing, say, Kingdom trades I already have with HB, only to later end up continuing that series with SB. Hence thinking about cherry-picking the stuff I do want (Nikolai Dante; Nemesis), ignoring the stuff I don't (ABC Warriors; Sin Dex; etc.), and spending the 400 quid on something else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 July, 2018, 12:53:44 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2018, 11:26:27 AM
But I'm not excited about replacing, say, Kingdom trades I already have with HB, only to later end up continuing that series with SB.

Yeah it'd be nice to know that for those series that are unconcluded these HBs would continue to collect them.  And Kingdom is pretty much top of my list of things I would be looking out for the continuation of at the moment.

It's an easier choice for me though, I don't already have copies of this material on my shelves.  As long as the number of sub-par volumes (for me 2 in the first 20) doesn't dramatically increase then I'm happy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 July, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 01 July, 2018, 10:17:51 AM
i doubt it will happen but i would love eurocrash in hardcover as it should have been printed

Why won't it? Sin/Dex in the UC is only three volumes - more than enough room to include everything right up to Eurocrash, and quite a nice end point to boot.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pale fire on 01 July, 2018, 01:24:45 PM
In one of the Facebook replies a few months ago, someone had asked how many issues there would be, and the reply (with no caveats, or further explanation, was 90).

Kingdom has been one of my favourites so far, so if there's an extension that'd be great. It's all completely new to me, and as I've generally preferred the modern stuff to the old stuff, fingers crossed the hit rate of decent issues should stay high.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 July, 2018, 01:52:34 PM
Some more new covers up on Forbidden Planet:

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230859-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-26-slaine-volume-2/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230859-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-26-slaine-volume-2/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/0b/f9/51a3cb639a868b1c809389cd588cf33c17fa.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230860-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-27-sinister-dexter-volume-1/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230860-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-27-sinister-dexter-volume-1/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/a5/be/1590fe4458187335018187c155bc7be066bb.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230863-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-30/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230863-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-30/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/92/4b/7f2f36e50c7703eb9d1de916ac6457f6ec3a.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230864-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-31/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230864-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-31/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/83/14/2095894a70cdf4b67704e44225525d7ea3cd.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

No covers for 28 & 29 but they are confirmed to be Strontium Dog Vol 3 and D.R. And Quich / Skizz respectively
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2018, 01:56:02 PM
Yes, I should probably clarify that I'm coming at this from a very different position: someone who has every issue of 2000 AD and additionally the vast majority of this material in trade form. So my calculation was, to some extent, based around whether or not I find enough 'value' in replacing older (mostly bendy paperback) trades and then selling off an existing collection on eBay (something that I've discovered with Dreddworld volumes is increasingly tough).

In some cases, this remains a yes. Nemesis, Nikolai Dante, and Strontium Dog (the lack of Starlord stories aside) easily fit that bill, because they're some of my favourite comic series of all, and I'd find some way to continue buying those. But I already have all the Sláine I remotely care about (including the lovely Rebellion hardbacks for Book of Invasions and The Wanderer), and the same for ABC Warriors (Mek-Files 1, basically). And money's tighter than it once was. On that basis, I might shift to cherry-picking the bits I care about, while still buying the Prog and Meg on subscription.

For relative newcomers, though, I can't imagine a better way to get on board with the stories outlined to appear in the collection.

EDIT: Looking on eBay, the sales prices for new issues are bafflingly variable! Why are people buying new volumes for 15 quid? Bizarre. (The only possibility I can think of is overseas readers.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 July, 2018, 02:01:18 PM
That gives us a pretty solid lineup for the next 10 volumes.  Can't say I'm looking forward to Robo-hunter but everything else looks like its going to be great. I guess that keeps us hovering around the 1 dud in 10 margin. 

That Sinister Dexter is superb can't wait to sink my teeth into that series. Keep hearing good things on here so expectations are high.  And Gene is looking to be on top scrapping form on that cover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 July, 2018, 02:05:01 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2018, 01:56:02 PM
EDIT: Looking on eBay, the sales prices for new issues are bafflingly variable! Why are people buying new volumes for 15 quid? Bizarre. (The only possibility I can think of is overseas readers.)

Ebay prices for all kinds of stuff can be baffling at times.  I also collect records and you see stuff you could pick up relatively easiily for £10-20 going for sky high prices on there sometimes. It makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 July, 2018, 03:13:04 PM
Do we know how much and which bits of Sinister Dexter we're getting? I wish it was a complete reprint in hardback like Dante but as I recall its only going to be four volumes?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 01 July, 2018, 03:20:26 PM
Hatchett site is finally showing as 22nd for next issues payment etc so hopefully not long now
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 01 July, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
Not sure why, but i'm finding it much easier to not buy this than I did with the Dredd Mega Collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 July, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: moly on 01 July, 2018, 03:20:26 PM
Hatchett site is finally showing as 22nd for next issues payment etc so hopefully not long now

I PM'd them on FB earlier this week and they confirmed the same.  They completely ignored my query about any updates to the schedule.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2018, 03:53:09 PM
Subscribers should probably resign themselves to there not being any updates to the schedule. It's clearly not going to happen at any point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 July, 2018, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: sintec on 01 July, 2018, 01:52:34 PM
Some more new covers up on Forbidden Planet:
Great stuff! Strange that this updated on a Sunday, tho I suppose is 1st July if that has any significance.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 July, 2018, 09:56:24 PM
I'd still like to know for sure what Savage we're going to get, as I have the two Savage softcovers and Invasion already but I know the story has carried on significantly further.  However Rebellion haven't printed any more collected ones so I doubt that Hachette will.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 02 July, 2018, 05:18:00 AM
What sinister / dexter stories were printed in floppies?

Is there a listing of all the judge dredd magazine floppies and there content?

Where i do i buy past floppies?

I am hoping after i get the ultimate collection sinister / dexter volumes i can continue the story in floppies,  i hear good things about this strip and really want to read it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 02 July, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
The floppies are listed on the Judge Dredd Megazine Wikipedia page. If you buy back issues of the Megazine they come with the floppies (e.g from the 2000AD online shop).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 02 July, 2018, 11:38:06 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 02 July, 2018, 02:05:55 PM
I am cherry picking and in regards to:

ABC warriors is it better to just pick up the complete ro busters and the mek files instead of the 2000 ad ultimate collection of the abc warriors?

thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 July, 2018, 02:09:16 PM
Well we know that the Ro-Busters stuff won't be in the Ultimate Collection so if you want it all you'll need to buy that one separately
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 02 July, 2018, 02:18:49 PM
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the reproduction of SMS's art on the Black Hole has been cleaned up for the Mega Collection and so it should look better than the Mek Files.

I have the original Progs and the Mek Files and that isn't enough to justify another purchase for me.

BTW just to be clear the Ro-Busters stuff Is in the Nut and Bolts book, not the Mek Files. Vol1 includes the Starlord stuff - which is ace IMO.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 July, 2018, 02:25:50 PM
Yeah no Starlord stuff in the Ultimate Collection either.   If you want that you'll have to go the Mek Files route I guess
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 02 July, 2018, 02:26:55 PM
yes i was thinking of collecting both nut and bolts volumes and the mek files instead of the 2000ad ultimate collection of the abc warriors
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
Having just compared volumes, the change to the SMS art is noticeable. In the Mek Files, there's much less nuance, and a lot of the greyscale is lost. That said, Mek Files 01 includes the complete Black Hole, rather than just stopping part-way through. (It's also a really lovely book.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 02 July, 2018, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
Having just compared volumes, the change to the SMS art is noticeable. In the Mek Files, there's much less nuance, and a lot of the greyscale is lost. That said, Mek Files 01 includes the complete Black Hole, rather than just stopping part-way through. (It's also a really lovely book.)

The main thing I don't like about the Mek Files volume 1 is the way they cropped the art to remove the next Prog caption boxes. I just don't see why they didn't just leave them in. Especially it's (series 1 anyway) quite episodic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 02 July, 2018, 04:37:23 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2018, 03:53:09 PM
Subscribers should probably resign themselves to there not being any updates to the schedule. It's clearly not going to happen at any point.

Likely nothing radical, but if they keep creeping the schedule forward 2-3 days per month they'll catch up eventually.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2018, 06:34:17 PM
Be mindful the collection is fortnightly, not monthly. On that basis, there's been no movement since the original screw-up. Issues have gone out every four weeks, like clockwork.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 03 July, 2018, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2018, 06:34:17 PM
Be mindful the collection is fortnightly, not monthly. On that basis, there's been no movement since the original screw-up. Issues have gone out every four weeks, like clockwork.

Good point, well made.

Issues 21-22 just arrived. Hooray.

My god, Dante Vol 3 was superb. I might have enjoyed it more than anything else in the collection so far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 July, 2018, 12:33:05 PM
Dante 1 was decent, 2 was good, but agreed that volume 3 was head and shoulders above the previous ones. It's a lot darker as well as retaining some of the humour.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2018, 01:00:21 PM
My books arrived today too, although Ace Trucking for some reason looked like someone had thrown it down the stairs. Sigh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 July, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
I had a red slip of disappointment waiting when I got back from walking the hound this morning - guess I know where we're going walkies tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 July, 2018, 02:13:05 PM
I've been waiting for people to start getting this delivery before putting this out there, but this month I finally made them send me a double order, effectively catching me up. Issues 23 & 24 arrived at the weekend and issues 21 & 22 today.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhLtgu6WAAAmCzo.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhLtg0MXcAMXdk5.jpg)

It was when they put out that statement that somehow it was our fault for the delay that pushed me over the edge (having chosen not to get the covers book). So I emailed them right after the last shipment and said "either skip me to issues 23 & 24 or send me all four", to which they replied relatively quickly "23 and 24 are not in stock yet". Of course they weren't, that wasn't what I was asking was it. So I sent the same request again on the Monday prior to allocation, and AGAIN on the Wednesday since there had been no reply. They chose to reply on Friday, which conveniently was after the next allocation had happened. "Issues 21 & 22 are already in transit" they said. But... this email suggested I call and arrange payment for 23 & 24. A breakthrough I thought! So I called, and lo and behold was told by the useless telephone staff that those issues were not in stock. So I hung up and gave up once more. Then... out of the blue another reply, apparently to the Wednesday email, saying they had sent out 23 & 24 and I should expect two payments and two packages. Hallelujah!

It's worth noting this reply was from an email address hachetted400cancellations at jacklinservice.com. I had threatened to cancel in my email so I suspect this somehow made it through to a more able customer services bod, apparently called Alice but I always doubt the names on these emails.

So now I have all the issues to date, but the subscription page still only shows 21 & 22 having been sent. My only worry at this point is I end up with 23 & 24 again next month. I wrote to ask they clarify this but am yet to get a response to that message.

It's all quite a hassle and for some will be unnecessary, but since I knew there were at least two subscribers who had not suffered the March skip month I was willing to try. I should also say I asked exactly the same thing a month or so back via the Facebook page and was told it would be impossible.

Good luck to anyone choosing to attempt the same!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2018, 03:09:43 PM
Interesting. But I also suspect that's an outlier. I've repeatedly asked for similar treatment, citing that they did the same for me with the Dredd books, and was told no. Worth people trying anyway, I guess. (And the stock thing is of course bollocks, given that these items are in transit to sellers.)

By contrast, I think I'm done. I just asked for confirmation of the cancellation procedure. This mostly comes from looking at the upcoming list and realising that if I was cherry-picking, I'd only buy three of the books from 21–30 anyway. I might have a sanity check with my existing paperbacks (to see what condition the relevant books are in) first, though. (And, again, this isn't so much down to anything beyond me mulling this over and wondering if I really need yet another copy of all of this material when I already have it in two formats and could be buying something else instead.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Wow. I asked Hachette for the correct procedure to cancel a subscription and noted I was *considering* doing so. They wrote back and said my subscription and direct debit have both been cancelled.

Just wow.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 03 July, 2018, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Wow. I asked Hachette for the correct procedure to cancel a subscription and noted I was *considering* doing so. They wrote back and said my subscription and direct debit have both been cancelled.

Just wow.

Classy!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 July, 2018, 04:59:48 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Wow. I asked Hachette for the correct procedure to cancel a subscription and noted I was *considering* doing so. They wrote back and said my subscription and direct debit have both been cancelled.

Just wow.

the prospect of this series extending anywhere past 80-90 suddenly seems less positive :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 July, 2018, 06:20:33 PM
Oh nice - superb level of customer service there.  If only there were as quick to sort out other problems they might find less people trying to cancel on them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2018, 06:32:45 PM
I'm dumbfounded by this. I've never had anything like this happen with a publisher before. It's quite astonishing. Always, always ask for confirmation when actioning anything like this, and, hell, even try to convince the customer to stay. Not that I'd actually asked to cancel.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 04 July, 2018, 08:13:17 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2018, 01:00:21 PM
My books arrived today too, although Ace Trucking for some reason looked like someone had thrown it down the stairs. Sigh.

As did I, except I was sitting in the garden reading the paper grrr.

Too lazy to walk into town and have arranged re-delivery for tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 July, 2018, 08:24:31 AM
And now they've changed their minds, saying that my subscription is still active. Apparently, telling me they'd cancelled it was a "misunderstanding". I don't even.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 04 July, 2018, 08:30:38 AM
I despair whenever I have to contact Hachette.  Their customer service has to be some of the most abject and inept I've ever encountered.  Except it seems when it comes to cancellation where they're so keen they actually jump the gun!!  Such a shame, because the product (on the whole) is great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 July, 2018, 09:30:46 AM
They get one thing very right: replacements. I've never had a problem getting a replacement issue when I've _explicitly_ asked for one. For those who've not done that, provide all the details via Facebook Messenger. For example: My subscription number is: NNNNNNN. Issue XX (Volume YY, 'Name of book') today arrived damaged. Please send a replacement copy.

For everything else, I despair. And it really wouldn't surprise me if Tomwe gets 23 and 24 next dispatch. Or possibly some other random issues. I'm just glad Rebellion has its head screwed on, rather at the opposite end of customer service – and ability to read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 July, 2018, 09:30:46 AM
And it really wouldn't surprise me if Tomwe gets 23 and 24 next dispatch. Or possibly some other random issues.
I'll be trying to clarify my next delivery again soon. At least I know if I do get sent 23 & 24 again I can send them back and not be out of pocket. Just behind once more...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 July, 2018, 09:30:46 AM
And it really wouldn't surprise me if Tomwe gets 23 and 24 next dispatch. Or possibly some other random issues.
(Alice came back to me today: "We can confirm that we will not send your issues 23 and 24 again"  :thumbsup:)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 01:08:40 PM
With Rebellion due to publish The Complete Caballistics Inc. next year  (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1781086958/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_x3ipBbWK1KPWD) (as noted in SO WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO STICKLEBACK??? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45312.30)) does that mean the volumes in this collection will be on the small side at 150pgs a piece, or will it be padded? Did I read it will have some Absalom in there too?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 July, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 01:08:40 PM
With Rebellion due to publish The Complete Caballistics Inc. next year  (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1781086958/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_x3ipBbWK1KPWD) (as noted in SO WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO STICKLEBACK??? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45312.30)) does that mean the volumes in this collection will be on the small side at 150pgs a piece, or will it be padded? Did I read it will have some Absalom in there too?

Not padded; we're getting it across two volumes, with the first Absalom story included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 July, 2018, 02:00:57 PM
I assume the Rebellion one will be paperback, too, rather than the HB volumes in the UC. (£20 seems on the low side for a HB with that page count, but dead-on for PB.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 02:22:11 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 04 July, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
Not padded...
Ugh, no disrespect meant to Absalom, its a great strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 02 July, 2018, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
Having just compared volumes, the change to the SMS art is noticeable. In the Mek Files, there's much less nuance, and a lot of the greyscale is lost. That said, Mek Files 01 includes the complete Black Hole, rather than just stopping part-way through. (It's also a really lovely book.)

The main thing I don't like about the Mek Files volume 1 is the way they cropped the art to remove the next Prog caption boxes. I just don't see why they didn't just leave them in. Especially it's (series 1 anyway) quite episodic.

on the subject of SMS's 'remastering', I was surprised to find in the second ABC Warriors volume there are quite a few differences to the artwork in the Mek Files book. See here, there are others (Mek Files at the top):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhRikUFW0AA5gj6.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 04 July, 2018, 05:29:15 PM
For the record, Rogue Trooper volume 2 collects from Hats off to Helm to The Vid-Vultures. Looks as if volumes 3 and 4 will collect the rest of the original run up to Return to Milli-Com. If The Hit is then missed out, volume 5 should be Cinnabar, War Machine, and hopefully the Dice Man strips and a smattering of annual and special stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 05:53:52 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 04 July, 2018, 05:29:15 PM
For the record, Rogue Trooper volume 2 collects from Hats off to Helm to The Vid-Vultures. Looks as if volumes 3 and 4 will collect the rest of the original run up to Return to Milli-Com. If The Hit is then missed out, volume 5 should be Cinnabar, War Machine, and hopefully the Dice Man strips and a smattering of annual and special stories.
Hoping your maths is right as I'm really keen to see War Machine as part of this Collection. Why would The Hit be left out?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 04 July, 2018, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 05:53:52 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 04 July, 2018, 05:29:15 PM
For the record, Rogue Trooper volume 2 collects from Hats off to Helm to The Vid-Vultures. Looks as if volumes 3 and 4 will collect the rest of the original run up to Return to Milli-Com. If The Hit is then missed out, volume 5 should be Cinnabar, War Machine, and hopefully the Dice Man strips and a smattering of annual and special stories.
Hoping your maths is right as I'm really keen to see War Machine as part of this Collection. Why would The Hit be left out?

The story was rubbish, in my opinion - "I just killed Yuan-Toh's double - again!". What?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 July, 2018, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 July, 2018, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 02 July, 2018, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
Having just compared volumes, the change to the SMS art is noticeable. In the Mek Files, there's much less nuance, and a lot of the greyscale is lost. That said, Mek Files 01 includes the complete Black Hole, rather than just stopping part-way through. (It's also a really lovely book.)

The main thing I don't like about the Mek Files volume 1 is the way they cropped the art to remove the next Prog caption boxes. I just don't see why they didn't just leave them in. Especially it's (series 1 anyway) quite episodic.

on the subject of SMS's 'remastering', I was surprised to find in the second ABC Warriors volume there are quite a few differences to the artwork in the Mek Files book. See here, there are others (Mek Files at the top):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhRikUFW0AA5gj6.jpg)

I notice as well that Nemesis Volume 1 was different from the original source material as well.  I'll try and get pictures, but when Torquemada was introduced as 'Traffic Controller' in Killer Watt his helmet was significantly different looking from his later Terminator Grand master one.  The Ultimate Collection volume used his Terminator one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 04 July, 2018, 10:56:04 PM
I think Kev significantly redrew chunks of the early Nemesis stories for the Quality (?) reprints — knowing that the pages were different proportions to the originals, he re-worked them for the reprint, meaning that there are two versions of many of those pages. It may be that Rebellion/Hachette have opted to use whichever version gave the best repro. (As Rebellion did with Charley's War when presented with multiple sources for the same page.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 04 July, 2018, 11:41:31 PM
Yeah, they were also updated to be a better match for Book 1 of Nemesis - Torque is a bit spikier, less sleek - Terminator masks more like the Book 1 versions, also coloured rather than b/w.

The Rebellion Deviant Edition collects this version.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 July, 2018, 04:42:15 PM
Made a start on Ace Trucking this morning.  As I mentioned up thread I didn't have particularly high expectations from this one initially.  Seeing Belardinelli's art in Slaine Vol 1 made me revise that upwards but I was still expecting the story to fall flat.  A space trucking story inspired by the late 70s CB radio craze is a pretty hard sell in 2018 and I was worried the humour might be a bit juvenile and/or have aged badly. 

Anyway suffice to say I struggled to put it down and get to work on time this morning.  Read the first 2 stories and it's great stuff.  The art is just jaw dropping on every single page, absolutely stunning work, and the stories are really fun romps.  Couldn't be happier to be proved wrong about this one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 July, 2018, 08:24:11 PM
Rogue Trooper volume 2: love that cover, one of my favourites of the series so far. I enjoyed this volume more than the first one, as it fleshes out Rogue, his buddies and the world. Liked the humour of Fort Neuro, and the great art throughout. A winner.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 06 July, 2018, 02:35:28 AM
I'm kind of liking Ace Trucking as well. I'm guessing the main reason they don't have the second story is the different artist (Ian Gibson). It can't be for quality, because that's subjective, and they printed the whole of Robo-Hunter  :P

Judge Dredd is fine, I've got about half of it and I only read the Kenny Who? ones so far. But I thought the third story was a bit weak - [spoiler]I would've ended it by revealing that his success was just another comic, and he lost the case[/spoiler]. I just didn't buy the ending.

My favourite series so far is probably Nikolai Dante, but definitely more hits than misses.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 06 July, 2018, 06:27:17 AM
Disappointed an Ace Trucking story was left out. Had I known I would have skipped this and stuck to the progs. It's not claimed 'complete' but I thought it was a fair assumption.
Was the Gibson story in the impossible-to-find Rebellion collection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 July, 2018, 08:04:27 AM
As far as I recall, the Rebellion collections are complete. They're also phone books. The UC books don't have the page counts so something has to be cut.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 July, 2018, 08:14:54 AM
2 vols for Ace meant that we were never going to get the complete collection as that would be ~650 pages based on the previous 2 collected volumes. I reckon we're going to be ~150 pages short of complete given the usual page counts on these Hachette volumes so I'd expect even more cuts from volume 2. It sounds like most people felt the stories started going off the boil in later years though so maybe that's for the best,  if annoying for any completionists.

That Rouge cover does look gorgeous. I'm looking forward to that one. The first volume was another one that I was surprised to find I really enjoyed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 July, 2018, 10:00:21 AM
Compared to the first Rebellion volume (320pp), the Hachette collection is short 85 pages of strip, according to Barney. 205 pages of strip are included. Projecting that forward, you could get the rest of the Belardinelli strips, with the exception of The Doppelgarp and The Garpetbaggers, in roughly the same page count. The Croakside Trip was also a nicely blackly comic ending for the strip, although I do also have a soft spot for The Homecoming, in the 1989 annual. Having that in colour would be lovely. (The b+w repro in the original Rebellion phone books is, unsurprisingly, not great.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 06 July, 2018, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: sintec on 06 July, 2018, 08:14:54 AM
That Rouge cover does look gorgeous.

Our make-up loving infantryman strikes again.  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 July, 2018, 10:40:37 AM
The rouge just looks so good against his blue skin.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 July, 2018, 10:26:44 AM
Missing covers for 28 and 29 now up on Forbidden Planet:

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230861-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-28-strontium-dog-volume-3/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230861-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-28-strontium-dog-volume-3/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/81/ed/aae0b42ac21674aa4bd084dc0a5cc629c80a.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230862-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-29-dr-quinch-skizz/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230862-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-29-dr-quinch-skizz/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/c1/5a/b84d4ab2c54e1412343fe981ce1d6d549d02.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 July, 2018, 11:47:42 AM
Really keen to get to that Skizz / DR & Quinch one. So much Alan Moore goodness!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 July, 2018, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 13 July, 2018, 11:47:42 AM
Really keen to get to that Skizz / DR & Quinch one. So much Alan Moore goodness!

Praying it includes the Agony Pages (in colour)!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 13 July, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
What's in vol 2 of the ABCs? Does it include Kronicles of Kaos and Hellbringer?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 July, 2018, 04:38:10 PM
Half of the Black Hole will be in that book, remember.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 July, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 13 July, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
What's in vol 2 of the ABCs? Does it include Kronicles of Kaos and Hellbringer?

Yes, but only Hellbringer: Book 1.

Covers progs 573-581, 750-757, 780-784, 787-790, 904-911.

Book 2 is 964-971.

The SMS black hole stuff is significantly different to that in MEK Files 1, so for that it was worth the double-dip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 July, 2018, 04:48:21 PM
It's a shame the keep having to split the ABC Warriors stories over multiple books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 July, 2018, 05:07:12 PM
Quote from: sintec on 13 July, 2018, 04:48:21 PM
It's a shame the keep having to split the ABC Warriors stories over multiple books.
from the look of MEK Files 3, the next volume is likely to conclude slap bang in the middle of Shadow Warriors as well.

EDIT: just looked at my list of the books in the series and it quotes two volumes of Volgan War, which are the contents of MEK Files 4, suggesting the first four 'collection' volumes match the first three MEK Files.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 July, 2018, 05:13:39 PM
...and we won't get Return To Earth/Mars/Ro-Busters at all  :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 July, 2018, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 13 July, 2018, 05:13:39 PM
...and we won't get Return To Earth/Mars/Ro-Busters at all  :(

Those would seem like prime candidates for an extension (if we get one).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 July, 2018, 08:12:27 PM
I'm considering grabbing a small collection of the Dredd books from the Mega Collection to round out the Dredd material in the Ultimate Collection which is sady, if understandably, lacking in Dredd epics.  From past conversation it's clear that there are several Mega Collection subcribers on this thread; which books would you consider the most essential to pick up, and which ones are worth avoiding?

I already have America (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Judge-Dredd-America-John-Wagner/dp/1905437587/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1531508826&sr=8-1&keywords=dredd+america (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Judge-Dredd-America-John-Wagner/dp/1905437587/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1531508826&sr=8-1&keywords=dredd+america) but other than that the only other Dredd I own is the Ultimate Collection stuff.  Necropolis would seem an obvious pick as it'd be nice to have the story that precedes the epilogue we got.  Beyond that I'm less certain what to prioritise, are there any good prequels/sequels to the Dark Justice stuff we're expecting here?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 13 July, 2018, 09:19:52 PM
I think it's fair to say that the better question is: which ones should we avoid.  To be fair, this was a reasonably well chosen collection with very few duff volumes.

I'd have to say that the B&W volumes have not weathered well mind.  The modern colour stuff is generally served far better.  As far as Cursed Earth is concerned, the uncensored edition is the better option.  Personally I'd be inclined to say that any of the Titan hardback editions do a far better job than this collection did with quite a few of the early epics.

Weird Science, Independent Operators and Fallen Angels are odd choices and don't do a great job.  Nor do Calhab Justice or the World at Law.  I think most people's utter contempt though was reserved for Cursed Earth Carnage and The Heavy Mob, both of which showed the Meg at its worst.  So all things considered, a reasonable serving all round.

The Wikipedia page is a pretty good reference for contents if you're particularly interested.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: NapalmKev on 14 July, 2018, 07:23:19 AM
I'm still hoping (in vain I suspect) that we'll get at least some of the Summer Offensive strips. I'd also like to see The Clown get thrown in there and no I'm not taking the piss! I've had more than enough of the likes of Ace Trucking Co. and Halo Jones*

Cheers


*I'm more than aware that Alan Moore is revered by many but I don't hold him in as high a regard as others**

**I'm not saying he's shit, just that I'm not his biggest fan

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 14 July, 2018, 08:22:17 AM

I'm figuring if the ABCs will be collected more or less completely that'll be a better deal than the Mek Files, even if they do split them a bit illogically.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 July, 2018, 09:55:28 AM
Quote from: NapalmKev on 14 July, 2018, 07:23:19 AMI'm still hoping (in vain I suspect) that we'll get at least some of the Summer Offensive strips.
There's no John Smith stuff at all in the initial 80, and of his work, I can think of a bunch of strips I'd sooner see in hardback than the extended Future Shock that was Slaughterbowl. As for the others, Really & Truly ended up in that Rain Hughes hardback a while ago, so who knows what's going on there? Which leaves the mediocre Maniac 5 and the divisive Big Dave. Frankly, if Hachette issues a hardback of the last of those in the current climate, it deserves for the entire series to fail. (At the time, I questioned the 'satire' of that strip – it was Ricky Gervais before that goon existed in the public eye, all punching down rather than up. Today, it looks like a relic.)

I also suspect for the most part, if you want to figure out what might appear in an extension of the series, look at what Rebellion has already published in trade form.

EDIT: On Big Dave, Rennie's comments in this ancient thread (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=3543.0) largely sum things up for me. There were bits of Big Dave that were just indefensible. Much of the remainder was "HAHAHA! POOFS!" and similar. It thought it was Chris Morris, but it was Chris Morris with a lobotomy, having been charged with taking the piss out of people in a comic for the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 July, 2018, 10:10:30 AM
doesn't big dave fall under creator owned now anyway since fleetway wanted nothing to do with it after the series was done....

seriously though no hc killing times a crime
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 July, 2018, 10:27:59 AM
The lack of even a single Indigo Prime book is a crushing shame. A reprint of that first Rebellion volume would have been most welcome, and it probably could have included Dead Eyes and Everything and More. Anthropocalypse as well would probably be too much of a squeeze for the page count.

I'm not sure how you'd tie them together thematically, but Firekind, Leatherjack, Cradlegrave and Revere come to just under 400 pages. Lob in some Smith Future Shocks and those would be two cracking volumes. (And it's not like the collection isn't doing combined stuff – Dr & Quinch + Skizz, for example.)

Alas...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 July, 2018, 10:34:07 AM
Based on what Hachette had available, reading a bunch of wiki pages and Tjm86 comments I've ordered Necropolis, Total War, Day Of Chaos: Fourth Faction and Day Of Chaos: Endgame.

Will probably look to add The Dead Man volume to those at some point in the future as that seems like it's the intro to the Necropolis arc.  And I might grab the early Judge Death stuff as well.

Much as I'd like to do the full 90 books my girlfriend is already questioning where the increasing numbers of books/boardgames/vinyl that keep arriving are going to live so I think I'd best show a little restraint.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 14 July, 2018, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 July, 2018, 10:34:07 AM
Based on what Hachette had available, reading a bunch of wiki pages and Tjm86 comments I've ordered Necropolis, Total War, Day Of Chaos: Fourth Faction and Day Of Chaos: Endgame.

Will probably look to add The Dead Man volume to those at some point in the future as that seems like it's the intro to the Necropolis arc.  And I might grab the early Judge Death stuff as well.

Much as I'd like to do the full 90 books my girlfriend is already questioning where the increasing numbers of books/boardgames/vinyl that keep arriving are going to live so I think I'd best show a little restraint.

Nice selection.

I think Origins, Tour of duty bk 1-3, Day of chaos bk1-3 and Blood of the emeralds pretty much reads like one big story :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 14 July, 2018, 01:39:41 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 July, 2018, 10:34:07 AM
Based on what Hachette had available, reading a bunch of wiki pages and Tjm86 comments I've ordered Necropolis, Total War, Day Of Chaos: Fourth Faction and Day Of Chaos: Endgame.

Will probably look to add The Dead Man volume to those at some point in the future as that seems like it's the intro to the Necropolis arc.  And I might grab the early Judge Death stuff as well.

Much as I'd like to do the full 90 books my girlfriend is already questioning where the increasing numbers of books/boardgames/vinyl that keep arriving are going to live so I think I'd best show a little restraint.

Have you tried looking on eBay, much cheaper than hachette and how I picked up most of the dredd series.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 July, 2018, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: Apestrife on 14 July, 2018, 01:24:47 PM
Nice selection.

I think Origins, Tour of duty bk 1-3, Day of chaos bk1-3 and Blood of the emeralds pretty much reads like one big story :)

I'll keep those ones in mind if I'm tempted to grab any more.

Quote from: moogie101 on 14 July, 2018, 01:39:41 PM
Have you tried looking on eBay, much cheaper than hachette and how I picked up most of the dredd series.

I gave it a look but most stuff listed at the moment was around the same price as Hachette once I factored in postage (Hachette's was free for 3+ books).  That or they were volumes I had less interest in.  I'll be keeping my eyes on it to see if I can pick up any of the others I've got earmarked though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Nellgrove on 16 July, 2018, 11:59:26 AM
Which post contains the most recent list of what's planned for the initial 80? Keep delaying subscribing, but getting more and more tempted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 July, 2018, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 July, 2018, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 14 July, 2018, 01:39:41 PM
Have you tried looking on eBay, much cheaper than hachette and how I picked up most of the dredd series.

I gave it a look but most stuff listed at the moment was around the same price as Hachette once I factored in postage (Hachette's was free for 3+ books).  That or they were volumes I had less interest in.  I'll be keeping my eyes on it to see if I can pick up any of the others I've got earmarked though.

Your best bet by far - assuming you can - is to go to Forbidden Planet. Yesterday I got Lawless and Crazy Town for less than a fiver each in Southampton; last time I was in London I got Complete PJ Maybe and Mad City for only 3.99 each...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 July, 2018, 12:32:28 PM
Quote from: Nellgrove on 16 July, 2018, 11:59:26 AM
Which post contains the most recent list of what's planned for the initial 80? Keep delaying subscribing, but getting more and more tempted.
Visit the wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD:_The_Ultimate_Collection) which lists the books to date as well as most of what will make up the collection as it stands
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 July, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 July, 2018, 12:27:12 PM
Your best bet by far - assuming you can - is to go to Forbidden Planet. Yesterday I got Lawless and Crazy Town for less than a fiver each in Southampton; last time I was in London I got Complete PJ Maybe and Mad City for only 3.99 each...!

Cheers for the tip - I work in Cambridge so it's a possibility, although it's quite a trek from the office and parking/driving in Cambridge is a nightmare.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 July, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
In fact a quick check of their website showed they had the 3rd Day Of Chaos book for a £5 so I nabbed that and the Wogue Wobots volume which was at a similar price point.  All without having to negotiate the Cambridge traffic
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 22 July, 2018, 07:48:11 PM
Enjoyed ABC Warriors volume 2, yes there's a bit of preaching from Uncle Pat but that doesn't get in the way of the action and humour. Stunning art throughout too, and it's good to see SMS getting some well-deserved recognition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bedlamvr on 24 July, 2018, 07:16:19 AM
Hi ... I was just wondering if anyone knows when the premium subcription (ha!j figurines are supposed to be released .
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 July, 2018, 04:27:42 PM
Anyone who didn't get the Shakara volume might want to check out Forbidden Planet's sale, where they are selling it for £2.99. (plus a quid for postage)

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230836-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-issue-3-shakara-the-avenger/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 25 July, 2018, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: bedlamvr on 24 July, 2018, 07:16:19 AM
Hi ... I was just wondering if anyone knows when the premium subcription (ha!j figurines are supposed to be released .
From the Ultimate Collection site:
Your first premium subscription gift will arrive with your delivery of issues 11 and 12 and then you will receive your next figurine every 7th delivery thereafter.

So I guess the next one is due with issue 25/26.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 27 July, 2018, 10:55:29 AM
Actually, further to this I just checked my hachette account & it's showing that issues 23 & 24 are currently being dispatched (as of 20th July) along with Premium figure 2 - which doesn't match the schedule on their website.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 July, 2018, 12:50:09 PM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 27 July, 2018, 10:55:29 AM
Actually, further to this I just checked my hachette account & it's showing that issues 23 & 24 are currently being dispatched (as of 20th July) along with Premium figure 2 - which doesn't match the schedule on their website.
don't forget they missed a month in March, so it's been the right amount of time, they just didn't send the right amount of books!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 27 July, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
so they played all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 27 July, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 27 July, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
so they played all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order?

:P  :D
/Chapeau
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 July, 2018, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 27 July, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
so they played all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order?

If we're going to stretch this metaphor to breaking point it was more like; "All the right notes but with the wrong timing".  Personally I haven't had anything out of order yet
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 27 July, 2018, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 27 July, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 27 July, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
so they played all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order?

:P  :D
/Chapeau

almost went with a more recent ref from Four Lions when the police spokesman says "Let me be clear - we did shoot the right man, but the wrong man exploded"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 July, 2018, 10:30:13 AM
Vol 2 of ABC Warriors and Rogue Trooper finally arrived.  Can't wait to crack into the second half of The Black Hole.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 31 July, 2018, 04:49:43 PM
That's what he said.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 31 July, 2018, 05:08:51 PM
Any premium subscribers got the Death figurine yet? My account says it was sent out with issues 23 and 24. Got those books yesterday but no sign of the figurine yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 31 July, 2018, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 31 July, 2018, 05:08:51 PM
Any premium subscribers got the Death figurine yet? My account says it was sent out with issues 23 and 24. Got those books yesterday but no sign of the figurine yet.
I also received 23 & 24 yesterday but no figurine as yet. I'm guessing no-one has got there's yet as there's none listed on eBay for £100 so far! ;-)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 01 August, 2018, 10:30:16 AM
Books arrived yesterday but no figurine.
And no figurine today either as postie has just been and gone :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 01 August, 2018, 03:26:43 PM
Would like to see what the reaction is to Meltdown Man - I'm guessing many here will be reading it for the first time?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GaryUK on 01 August, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
Is the Meltdown Man book complete?  Would like to know if it's worth upgrading from the softcover Rebellion edition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 August, 2018, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 August, 2018, 03:26:43 PM
Would like to see what the reaction is to Meltdown Man - I'm guessing many here will be reading it for the first time?

First time reader here - I'll let you know in about a month when my sub shows up :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 01 August, 2018, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 August, 2018, 03:26:43 PM
Would like to see what the reaction is to Meltdown Man - I'm guessing many here will be reading it for the first time?


I loved it when it originally came out in the Prog.

But, alas, I was a lot younger.

Looking forward to re-reading it. The first time in quite a while.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 August, 2018, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: GaryUK on 01 August, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
Is the Meltdown Man book complete?  Would like to know if it's worth upgrading from the softcover Rebellion edition.

Yes, it's the whole thing!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GaryUK on 01 August, 2018, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 01 August, 2018, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: GaryUK on 01 August, 2018, 03:35:13 PM
Is the Meltdown Man book complete?  Would like to know if it's worth upgrading from the softcover Rebellion edition.

Yes, it's the whole thing!

Brilliant, I'm going to upgrade!  Thanks!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 August, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
Anyone not gotten their delivery this month?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 03 August, 2018, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 03 August, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
Anyone not gotten their delivery this month?

Recieved ABC Warriors Bk2 and Rogue Bk2 a couple of days ago myself, or do you mean the next ones?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 August, 2018, 05:13:46 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 03 August, 2018, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 03 August, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
Anyone not gotten their delivery this month?

Recieved ABC Warriors Bk2 and Rogue Bk2 a couple of days ago myself, or do you mean the next ones?
The delivery allocated on 20th July - mine hasn't come yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 August, 2018, 06:24:19 PM
(It came today)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 August, 2018, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 August, 2018, 06:24:19 PM
(It came today)

And presumably it contained the right issues? (I seem to remember you persuaded them to do you a double delivery last month to get back in sync with the shop release dates).

I've really enjoyed last months volumes.  ABC Warriors is stunning, all the artists absolutely knocked it out of the park there.  Only downside was the occassional moments of slightly heavy handed preaching from Pat which had a tendency to get in the way of the story a little.  Hellbringer seems to have got off to a cracking start, does anyone know when we expect the next volume?

Not quite finished Rogue yet, just got to the end of Fort Neuropa.  Having seen the promo posts on FB I was worried this was going to get too silly and maybe a little bit racist.  It is pretty daft but it manages to wear it quite well and the stereotypes were more silly than offensive.  Another one of those that I enjoyed more than I expected to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 05 August, 2018, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: sintec on 05 August, 2018, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 August, 2018, 06:24:19 PM
(It came today)

And presumably it contained the right issues? (I seem to remember you persuaded them to do you a double delivery last month to get back in sync with the shop release dates).
Yes- meltdown man & Slaine 2.  Was slightly worried was gonna end up skipping another month
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 05 August, 2018, 01:04:43 PM
Hang on... does this mean i'm nearly a month behind schedule?

A call to Hachette methinks...  :think:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 05 August, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
Tomwe was it relatively painless process to get hatchett to get you up to date ? Cheers
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 August, 2018, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 05 August, 2018, 11:31:13 AM
Yes- meltdown man & Slaine 2.  Was slightly worried was gonna end up skipping another month

I'd forgotten the 2nd book in the next delivery was Slaine 2 - excellent I'm looking forward to that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 05 August, 2018, 05:00:58 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 05 August, 2018, 01:04:43 PM
Hang on... does this mean i'm nearly a month behind schedule?

A call to Hachette methinks...  :think:

Yeah many subscribers are which is a bit of a joke. Most just got issues 23/24 but 25 was already out in the shops from the 1/8.

Got absolutely no problems with the books at all but getting them after they are available in the shops just feels like an insult & for me defeats the object of actually subscribing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 05 August, 2018, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: moly on 05 August, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
Tomwe was it relatively painless process to get hatchett to get you up to date ? Cheers
Painless is not the word I would use. Here is my post from last month detailing what I had to do in order to catch up.
Quote from: Tomwe on 03 July, 2018, 02:13:05 PM
I've been waiting for people to start getting this delivery before putting this out there, but this month I finally made them send me a double order, effectively catching me up. Issues 23 & 24 arrived at the weekend and issues 21 & 22 today.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhLtgu6WAAAmCzo.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhLtg0MXcAMXdk5.jpg)

It was when they put out that statement that somehow it was our fault for the delay that pushed me over the edge (having chosen not to get the covers book). So I emailed them right after the last shipment and said "either skip me to issues 23 & 24 or send me all four", to which they replied relatively quickly "23 and 24 are not in stock yet". Of course they weren't, that wasn't what I was asking was it. So I sent the same request again on the Monday prior to allocation, and AGAIN on the Wednesday since there had been no reply. They chose to reply on Friday, which conveniently was after the next allocation had happened. "Issues 21 & 22 are already in transit" they said. But... this email suggested I call and arrange payment for 23 & 24. A breakthrough I thought! So I called, and lo and behold was told by the useless telephone staff that those issues were not in stock. So I hung up and gave up once more. Then... out of the blue another reply, apparently to the Wednesday email, saying they had sent out 23 & 24 and I should expect two payments and two packages. Hallelujah!

It's worth noting this reply was from an email address hachetted400cancellations at jacklinservice.com. I had threatened to cancel in my email so I suspect this somehow made it through to a more able customer services bod, apparently called Alice but I always doubt the names on these emails.

So now I have all the issues to date, but the subscription page still only shows 21 & 22 having been sent. My only worry at this point is I end up with 23 & 24 again next month. I wrote to ask they clarify this but am yet to get a response to that message.

It's all quite a hassle and for some will be unnecessary, but since I knew there were at least two subscribers who had not suffered the March skip month I was willing to try. I should also say I asked exactly the same thing a month or so back via the Facebook page and was told it would be impossible.

Good luck to anyone choosing to attempt the same!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 August, 2018, 02:01:28 AM
So what is everyone's opinions of Meltdown Man?  I have the Ultimate Edition collection but I'm pleased to get a hardback book.  The story is decent and while it is dated to an extent, I like it.  The artwork is beautiful and some of the design work was really awesome.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 06 August, 2018, 09:47:15 AM
My Judge Death figurine has just arrived.

And very nice it is too  :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 06 August, 2018, 09:50:00 AM
Can someone who has received Slaine vol.2 please detail which stories it features?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 06 August, 2018, 10:13:02 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 06 August, 2018, 09:47:15 AM
My Judge Death figurine has just arrived.

And very nice it is too  :)

Yup, same here.
It's pretty good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 06 August, 2018, 10:18:20 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 06 August, 2018, 09:50:00 AM
Can someone who has received Slaine vol.2 please detail which stories it features?
Dragonheist, The Time Killer, The Battle of Clontarf
Progs 361-367, 411-428, 431-434, Annual 1985
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 06 August, 2018, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 06 August, 2018, 10:18:20 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 06 August, 2018, 09:50:00 AM
Can someone who has received Slaine vol.2 please detail which stories it features?
Dragonheist, The Time Killer, The Battle of Clontarf
Progs 361-367, 411-428, 431-434, Annual 1985

Good month for Belardinelli fans then?  Always a shame that more of his fully painted work didn't appear in the progs, especially when you look at his last Ace Garp story (the one where Feek takes over the business) and the Battle of Clontarf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 06 August, 2018, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 31 July, 2018, 05:08:51 PM
Any premium subscribers got the Death figurine yet? My account says it was sent out with issues 23 and 24. Got those books yesterday but no sign of the figurine yet.

Arrived as a separate delivery today. Excuse the crappy photos...

(https://i.imgur.com/2pZIsYH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0Dt1ct0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 06 August, 2018, 06:14:23 PM
nice!  Wouldn't stand there if I was Death though - "Blow his bonfs away!"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 06 August, 2018, 07:43:19 PM
I got my death today too, it's pretty good.

Like some others up thread, it seems I'm behind on the books though. No sign of the Meltdown volume - which I am really looking forward to - or the Slaine.

Rather reluctant to contact them to correct this though as might well cause some other problem...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 07 August, 2018, 08:10:58 AM
I've stopped worrying about being behind as well.  Contacting Hachette just seems to lead to frustration and gives them a chance to cock things up even more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 07 August, 2018, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 06 August, 2018, 02:01:28 AM
So what is everyone's opinions of Meltdown Man?  I have the Ultimate Edition collection but I'm pleased to get a hardback book.  The story is decent and while it is dated to an extent, I like it.  The artwork is beautiful and some of the design work was really awesome.

It's of its time, but it zips along through its 50 episodes with some great Belardinelli art on the creatures and buildings. Best line, delivered by Nick Stone to a chimp hybrid: "You refugee from a tea-bag advert!"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2018, 01:36:38 PM
What's the repro like compared to the Rebellion volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 08 August, 2018, 12:04:27 AM
I asked could I have a couple of double deliveries to get my subscription up to date and got a reply saying any extra issues will be £11.49 each.How many do you want? I'm a bit worried they're going to send me the issues and then send me the same issues again next month!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 August, 2018, 09:59:34 AM
The FB page just confirmed (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2092674284394226?comment_id=2093954457599542&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D) the last three holes in my list of the entire collection:

Volume 42 is AQUILA.
Volume 56 is ALL-STAR FUTURE SHOCKS.
Volume 64 is THE GRIEVOUS JOURNEY OF ICHABOD AZRAEL.

If you want to see that list, this google sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing) has two pages, one in issue order and one in volume order

I'm pretty happy to see those two as the last unknowns. Funny though how no one thought to ask about them, suggests they weren't people's first choices.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2018, 10:15:56 AM
So #56 sounds like a version of Rebellion's Future Shocks trade (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN335) that primarily has content from Milligan, Morrison, Smith and Gaiman. At 210 pages already, I wonder what extras will be included (if any), assuming it is a redux of that book.

Aquila I've never got into, so not fussed about that. Ichabod is one of my recent favourites. Nice to see it included, although I have the paperback (albeit with a dodgy spine print), and so it's unlikely I'd 'upgrade'.

Whatever's gone on with 2000 AD and John Smith, I still think it's a crying shame that after 80 books there'll still be no Smith tales collected. (Firekind + Leatherjack would have been a fantastic collection. And obviously Indigo Prime in hardback would be a total no-brainer.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 08 August, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
The omission of anything by Smith (barring possible Future Shocks) is baffling. Is there some bad blood between him and Rebellion?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2018, 10:51:08 AM
I recall that in the 2000 AD podcast, Matt 'Tharg' Smith specifically mentioned Firekind, and noted that its page count was a problem for this collection, given that it's just too short. But then given that we have Skizz rather unceremoniously smashed into Dr. and Quinch, and that there's a Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later book, I would have thought Leatherjack/Firekind could have worked. But the lack of Indigo Prime (and especially that first set of stories, which would include Killing Time) seems very odd.

As for bad blood, who knows? From public info, you can at least piece together roughly what happened (Smith has a personal disaster and goes 'dark' shortly after filing the start of a new Indigo Prime; years later, 2000 AD gives that to another writer to finish off, having not been able to resume contact, and also hands over more Smith series – Devlin Waugh; Tyranny Rex – to other writers). It does have the whiff of finality about it, but I'd hope that if hatchets can be buried that they will be. Smith was one of 2000 AD's most unique voices, and although he wrote the occasional misfire, his back catalogue is on the whole hugely impressive.

Perhaps if this collection gets an extension at least some of this can be addressed. I'd sooner see Firekind finally get a reprint than see volume 14 of Slaine, for example.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 08 August, 2018, 01:15:19 PM
Too right. I hope if there has been a rift it can be repaired. It was lovely to see Devlin in the JD Mega Collection, and I'd be very happy to upgrade my old Extreme Edition Firekind to something smarter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 08 August, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 08 August, 2018, 01:15:19 PM...I'd be very happy to upgrade my old Extreme Edition Firekind to something smarter.

If Tharg's listening, I'll add my voice - and putative shekels - to that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 08 August, 2018, 01:45:42 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 08 August, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 08 August, 2018, 01:15:19 PM...I'd be very happy to upgrade my old Extreme Edition Firekind to something smarter.

If Tharg's listening, I'll add my voice - and putative shekels - to that.
Not convinced shrinking the art down to fit in these books constitutes smarter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 08 August, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
This is true, but I do like a shelvable volume.  My EE is lost in a box somewhere, or possibly I gave it to someone, who knows... A poor state of affair for such a great story.  It strikes me that it would have paired easily with any number of Smith's seld-contained tales, like Cradlegrave or Love Like Blood, for example.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 08 August, 2018, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2018, 10:51:08 AM
Perhaps if this collection gets an extension at least some of this can be addressed. I'd sooner see Firekind finally get a reprint than see volume 14 of Slaine, for example.

I am on the same page and would really like the complete Firekind to be collected in one volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 08 August, 2018, 07:46:10 PM
Fully agree with this.
How can a 2000AD collection be called 'Essential' if there's no John Smith in it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 08 August, 2018, 07:56:12 PM
And Cinnebar doesnt count  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 August, 2018, 10:27:13 PM
Okay, I picked up Slaine volume 2 today.  I haven't opened the seal, but is it me or is there something that feels 'different' about this book.  I'm not sure if it feels thinner or what.  Then again I've not been feeling too well the last few days so it's maybe just that.

I remember some time ago during the Dredd collection someone commenting that these books were expensive, but I remember looking at the prices of say, Star Wars graphic novels, which if sold at their RRP could easily be £14-16 minimum, for a softcover with less content.  In retrospect, for a hardcover book I think these are very good value.  And for the content that was out of print it was cheaper than paying what some people on Ebay were asking.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 August, 2018, 10:29:33 PM
Anyone arguing ten quid for a hardcover 200–250 page trade is expensive is nuts
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 16 August, 2018, 05:02:28 PM
Especially considering that Rebellion usually charge far more for paperbacks with much smaller page counts.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 August, 2018, 09:52:35 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 15 August, 2018, 10:29:33 PM
Anyone arguing ten quid for a hardcover 200–250 page trade is expensive is nuts

Indeed, the Star Wars Mara Jade graphic novel I mentioned as an example is 144 pages, softcover and now costs £16.99 new, it cost £11.99 when first released in 1999.  Compared to the 2000ad and Dredd books that is fairly expensive.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: barnesy on 17 August, 2018, 10:17:58 AM
Really enjoying the collection and only got around to reading Nemesis Volume Three earlier this week.
(Have a new baby in the house and a new project in work so time is short unfortunately.)

Was just wondering what everyone thinks will be covered in Volume Four?
I apologise if this has already been covered ad nauseum earlier in the topic posts.
It would seem that there is justBook Ten and some one offs. Will it still fill the page quote of these hardcovers?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 17 August, 2018, 06:30:33 PM
I seem to recall about a 10 year gap between Nemesis books 9 and 10. Every few years there would be a filler story to remind us what was going on and set up the finale. Presume it'll be these, and maybe the Deadlock solo as an epilogue?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 18 August, 2018, 05:57:53 AM
if i had to guess hammer of warlocks, book x the final conflict, the deadlock solo series and tubular hells
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 19 August, 2018, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 August, 2018, 05:57:53 AM
if i had to guess hammer of warlocks, book x the final conflict, the deadlock solo series and tubular hells

Hoping for the Diceman strips too, Bryan Talbot's work on The Garden of Alien Delights is amazing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 August, 2018, 11:23:06 AM
I think I may have a problem.  After some lurking on ebay I've got about 2000 more pages of Dredd on it's way to add to the 6 books I bought last month.  Not quite sure where I'm going to put it all but I can't wait to start reading it.  Still desparately hunting for copies of The Dead Man, Democracy Now and Mutants Of Mega City One which seem to be tricky to find at the moment.  I'm guessing these are unlikely to get reprinted at this point so I will just have to cross my fingers and keep refreshing ebay :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 August, 2018, 11:56:48 AM
Democracy Now is on eBay right now for eight quid (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-SEALED-Judge-Dredd-Mega-Collecction-Graphic-12-DEMOCRACY-NOW/302838620131?hash=item4682969fe3:g:TnwAAOSw-Y9a0LA1) plus postage. TDM is available from a few people, albeit at a 15 quid minimum. Mutants... is seemingly currently gouge-only, however – someone selling for 50(!) quid.

One thing: keep an eye on Facebook Marketplace. People are starting to sell off Dredd collection books there too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 August, 2018, 12:23:59 PM
Don't know how I'd missed that copy of Democracy Now - grabbed it cheers.

£15 a copy is slightly more than I'm willing to pay right now and yeah £50 is just taking the piss.

Haven't tried the FB marketplace - will have a trawl through there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 19 August, 2018, 03:03:22 PM
I think they'd have to include the Diceman strips in the last Nemesis volume, because Book X and Deadlock aren't enough to fill a volume. Or maybe Nemesis and Deadlock.

If there's going to be a volume of one-off stories then I hope they include Bryan Talbot's Menento from New Year Prog 2002.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 August, 2018, 06:56:26 PM
Besides Hammer of Warlocks, Book X and the Deadlock epilogue, there's...

A Day In The Death Of Torquemada - 2000ad Annual 1984
Torture Tube - Diceman 1
The Garden Of Alien Delights - Diceman 3
Forbidden Planet - 2000ad Sci-Fi Special 1987
Torquemada's Second Honeymoon - 2000ad Annual 1988
Tomb of Torquemada - Nemesis Poster Prog
Warlocks and Wizards - Prog 700
The Enigmass Variations - Progs 723-729
Tubular Hells - Prog 2000

...yet to make an appearance in the Ultimate collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 22 August, 2018, 09:14:53 PM
Enjoyed Slaine volume 2, as following some great dragon art from Massimo, Time Killer pulls out all the stops and just goes for it. Tremendous fun.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 August, 2018, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 22 August, 2018, 09:14:53 PM
great dragon art from Massimo

Massimo and dragons, I'm practically drooling in anticipation.  The post man can't get here soon enough.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 August, 2018, 11:40:50 AM
How good is Massimo's Battle of Clontarf?! Had never read this outing before, or indeed seen much colour Belardinelli - what a treat for the eyeballs!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 23 August, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
It's extraordinary, isn't it? Massimo was just incredible - as I've noted ad nauseum it was his wraparound cover for Prog 309 that hooked me into buying the comic in the first place.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 23 August, 2018, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 August, 2018, 11:40:50 AM
How good is Massimo's Battle of Clontarf?! Had never read this outing before, or indeed seen much colour Belardinelli - what a treat for the eyeballs!

I never get tired of re-reading the 1985 annual, and truly love that Slaine story.

I distinctly recall that Dunnes Stores Kilnamanagh were selling off this annual for peanuts in the January sale in 1986- almost every kid I knew had a copy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 24 August, 2018, 11:18:19 PM
I finally picked up Slaine volume 2 and The art of Kenny Who? at Forbidden Planet today in London. Not really related to this thread, but I also got the first volume of Charley's War. There were two versions: thin but smashing looking hardbacks and these large paperbacks. I got the paperback as I believe it covers more. (It's described as 'definitive'.)

They gave me a freebie GN for spending over a certain amount. (I think they said £18. I assume it's a limited time promotional thing, or maybe they can't get rid of these books. The freebie turned out to be Realm of the Damned. I didn't realise until I had a look later, it's that futuristic Van Helsing vampire thing they ran in the Megazine, a couple of years back. Coincidentally it's a strip, I used to skip. I rarely do that, Even if I don't like a strip I will read it to get my money worth and at the off chance it improves for me. But that one I found particularly offensive. Super talented artist, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 August, 2018, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 August, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
It's extraordinary, isn't it? Massimo was just incredible - as I've noted ad nauseum it was his wraparound cover for Prog 309 that hooked me into buying the comic in the first place.

It also means that Massimo was the first artist to draw and design Elfric - not to mention Slough Feg, Quagslime, Balor, the Knucker, Nest and Medb (even if those designs were often ignored by later artists)! Not bad for an artist who often feels like a bit of a second-stringer in Slaine's story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 27 August, 2018, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 27 August, 2018, 03:54:26 PM
It also means that Massimo was the first artist to draw and design Elfric

I must have missed that. I don't have the Ultimate Collection book- where does Massimo's Elfric appear?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 August, 2018, 06:46:59 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 27 August, 2018, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 27 August, 2018, 03:54:26 PM
It also means that Massimo was the first artist to draw and design Elfric

I must have missed that. I don't have the Ultimate Collection book- where does Massimo's Elfric appear?

The 1985 2000ad Annual in a Slaine strip called 'Battle of Clontarf; (spelling from below!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 August, 2018, 09:58:39 AM
Was just catching up on this thread in anticipation of the arrival of more thrills when the doorbell goes and finally issues 25 and 26 arrive.  From a quick flick through these both look gorgeous; that painted Belardinelli really is something else, I hope the story can do it justice.  Now do I finish my current Dredd (last bit of The Pit) or crack straight into Meltdown Man or Slaine and come back to the Dredd later...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 August, 2018, 11:30:53 AM
Yeah. my books are here too. The Sin/Dex book's contents was one we queried early on due to the sheer number of appearances in the prog and Smith talks about this in the intro. The progs covered are:
984, 988-989, 992-993, 1024-1031, 1051-1061, 1079-1082, 1084-1086 & 1090-1091.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 August, 2018, 01:39:32 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 28 August, 2018, 11:30:53 AM
Yeah. my books are here too. The Sin/Dex book's contents was one we queried early on due to the sheer number of appearances in the prog and Smith talks about this in the intro. The progs covered are:
984, 988-989, 992-993, 1024-1031, 1051-1061, 1079-1082, 1084-1086 & 1090-1091.

Hmm - by no means a complete collection, then. That's a shame - three books could surely have given us everything up to Eurocrash (the natural stopping point)?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 August, 2018, 02:09:40 PM
I was just about to recycle my cardboard container when I realised I had two bits of paper inside. Yes folks, it's the second covers special, apparently being sent out automatically next month. Since I opted out the first time I really assumed I wouldn't get offered another one but that's just too easy isn't it. An email has been duly sent. Fingers crossed we don't have another skipped delivery like we did in March.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 August, 2018, 02:11:06 PM
Give it a year and subscribers will be four months behind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 28 August, 2018, 03:02:58 PM
They'll clearly use this as an opportunity to make everything right and bring subscribers back up to date. *Ahem*.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 August, 2018, 03:06:25 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 28 August, 2018, 03:02:58 PM
They'll clearly use this as an opportunity to make everything right and bring subscribers back up to date. *Ahem*.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/J3uXRnuIDn3YQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 28 August, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
Just got my delivery.  I didn't opt out of the covers gallery so naturally I only received it after chasing them on facebook several times and unsurprisingly I haven't received the letter about volume 2.....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 August, 2018, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 28 August, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
Just got my delivery.  I didn't opt out of the covers gallery so naturally I only received it after chasing them on facebook several times and unsurprisingly I haven't received the letter about volume 2.....
it's totally possible the letter comes with 27 & 28 rather than with the August delivery.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Nellgrove on 28 August, 2018, 06:02:02 PM
I only subscribed in July and would have expected the cover issues to be mentioned upfront now they are a known thing, but nope... will still have to go through the same pain. What was the general opinion on the first volume of covers, seems really expensive compared to the rebellion dredd covers hardback.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 28 August, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
25 & 26 came for me to. No mention of the second covers volume.

That Slaine cover is incredible.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 28 August, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
I never opted out of anything, this is the one thing that I want to have complete, dammit!
I'm also currently a month behind newstand schedule (having only just recieved Slaine & Meltdown Man), so let's see what happens...  :-\
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 29 August, 2018, 02:19:22 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 28 August, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
Just got my delivery.  I didn't opt out of the covers gallery so naturally I only received it after chasing them on facebook several times and unsurprisingly I haven't received the letter about volume 2.....

I got the covers issue and I didn't have a letter about the next one, they're probably assuming that if you got the first one, you're going to get the others. Or maybe they'll tell us next month, who knows. (My reasoning for getting them was I'm more likely to keep 4 slim covers volumes than 80 full-size ones)

Maybe they're touting the second one because they've got a lot of copies of the first one and they're expecting people to change their mind and order both? :D :D


Read the first 4 parts of Meltdown Man, I like it so far. Looks a bit classic Doctor Who.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 29 August, 2018, 07:31:51 AM
They're not doing themselves any favours with the website (the specific collection one) either, as it still only shows the first five issues. The Dredd site at least got updated every fortnight with the next issue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 August, 2018, 10:30:30 AM
They're not doing themselves any favours in general. Every thread on that Facebook page now has someone griping about subscriptions, including a one-liner on the latest Sin Dex one, asking for captions on a pic of Sex shooting. (One wag: "Take that, subscribers".)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 August, 2018, 09:08:15 AM
Thanks to a couple of long train journeys I've hammered through Meltdown Man. It's an enjoyable romp. Bellardinelli's world is beautiful and awesome, as anticipated.  The story hurtles along at a cracking pace but never feels overly rushed.  Nick Stone and Leeshar are maybe a bit wooden but the yujees more than make up for that.  Overall I enjoyed it although I'm not sure how often it'll get a re-read compared to some of the other volumes.

Started Slaine last night. Dragonheist is excellent stuff, Bellardinelli and dragons was a perfect pairing. The Knuckler looks great and Slaine is on top form, not quite the best Slaine yet but certainly in the running.  Then along comes The Time Killer with it's Leysers and... sigh... really, leysers.  You've got a plentiful supply of far future sci-fi stories and you crowbar leyser pistols into a fantasy story about a barbarian and his dwarf, meh. And no explanation of where they came or how Slain suddenly came to own one just that they're powered by ley lines (in case the pun didn't make that obvious).  Ugh. I hope this nonsense doesn't run for too long. I mean I knew this was coming from comments earlier in this discussion but it still feels like a kick in the teeth.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 August, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
Quote from: sintec on 30 August, 2018, 09:08:15 AM
Started Slaine last night. Dragonheist is excellent stuff, Bellardinelli and dragons was a perfect pairing. The Knuckler looks great and Slaine is on top form, not quite the best Slaine yet but certainly in the running.  Then along comes The Time Killer with it's Leysers and... sigh... really, leysers.  You've got a plentiful supply of far future sci-fi stories and you crowbar leyser pistols into a fantasy story about a barbarian and his dwarf, meh.

Editorial mandated that Slaine was to stop cutting people up with axes, which is why the leysers appear. But yeah, still not great (though the pun itself is Abnett-worthy).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 30 August, 2018, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: sintec on 30 August, 2018, 09:08:15 AM
Thanks to a couple of long train journeys I've hammered through Meltdown Man. It's an enjoyable romp. Bellardinelli's world is beautiful and . And no explanation of where they came or how Slain suddenly came to own one just that they're powered by ley lines (in case the pun didn't make that obvious). 

The answers to your questions are all in there: Slaine takes the one he uses from a dead Atlantean (very early Fabry storytelling not the best here). He knows how to use it because they are one of his tribe's sacred/forbidden weapons left over from the fall of Atlantis, and as one of the Red Branch it was part of his training. They work by focusing earth power,  which is concentrated along ley lines, and warped through the user's body in the same way Slaine does in a warp-spasm.

And yes, they are a truly awful idea in this context,  especially coming straight after the frosty low-key fantasy highs of Dragonheist.   My young heart physically sagged when I read the line "I take my power straight from the grid!" all those years ago.  Don't worry though  after the next few stories we never really see them (and their variants,  like Bloodprow) again,  they really only exist 'out of time', in places like Dinas Emrys and Cythrawl.

While Time Killer is quite fun if you relax and go with it,  it's such a jarring change that it feels like a different strip: but it does introduce a new and important layer beneath Slaine's world.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 August, 2018, 10:44:34 AM
Quote from: sintec on 30 August, 2018, 09:08:15 AMUgh. I hope this nonsense doesn't run for too long.
It looks like the book runs through to the end of Time Killer. So you've another 90 pages of weirdness (121 if they include You Are Slaine: Tomb of Terror). After that, we're on to the superb Spoils of Annwn, and Sláine The King, along with a few bits and bobs that dovetail into The Horned God.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 August, 2018, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 30 August, 2018, 10:33:13 AM
The answers to your questions are all in there: Slaine takes the one he uses from a dead Atlantean (very early Fabry storytelling not the best here). He knows how to use it because they are one of his tribe's sacred/forbidden weapons left over from the fall of Atlantis, and as one of the Red Branch it was part of his training. They work by focusing earth power,  which is concentrated along ley lines, and warped through the user's body in the same way Slaine does in a warp-spasm.

I got the how it worked and how Slaine knew how to use it (although it felt pretty lame tbh).  Must have missed the panel where he took it from the dead Atlantean.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 30 August, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
Editorial mandated that Slaine was to stop cutting people up with axes, which is why the leysers appear. But yeah, still not great (though the pun itself is Abnett-worthy).

The pun is literally the best thing about them at the moment. 

I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall when editorial told Pat that his barbarian needed to stop cutting people in half with an axe, I can't imagine that went down well. He's a barbarian whose favourite weapon is an axe called Brainbiter ffs, chopping things up with an axe is pretty much his raison d'être.  Although I guess I can see how that might have caused a few issues given the target audience of the time.  I guess this was this roughly contemporary with all the video nasty nonsense as well so there was plenty of moral outrage at entertainment media going around (thanks Mary Whitehouse and co).

I'll give Time Killer another go tonight, maybe it'll be less jarring not reading it back to back with the Dragonheist.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 30 August, 2018, 11:12:14 AM
TBH Spoils of Annwn was probably the last decent Slaine story for me.  Slaine the King wasn't bad but it started, for me, the slow decline.  We get the bizarre 'past lives' stuff though the nineties which had to be the absolute nadir.  I'm just waiting now for Ro-busters to turn up in the next series ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 August, 2018, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 30 August, 2018, 11:12:14 AM
TBH Spoils of Annwn was probably the last decent Slaine story for me.  Slaine the King wasn't bad but it started, for me, the slow decline.  We get the bizarre 'past lives' stuff though the nineties which had to be the absolute nadir.  I'm just waiting now for Ro-busters to turn up in the next series ...

Oh, I love Slaine the King. Utterly gorgeous to look at, a kick-arse introduction to Niamh and it's the story that finally returns the character to his millieu after the baffling sci-fi shenanigans of Time Killer and navel-gazing of Spoils of Annwn.

I do detest characters who go time-travelling, though, and Slaine's a great example of why. When you've constructed a whole culture, history and world around your hero, why wrench him out of that? Drunes, dragons, cloud curragh, dwarfs and fomorians - there's your stories. That's what I want to read about. It's a bit like when Dredd (rarely, mercifully) goes on a space adventure. Can't stand it - get him back to Mega-City One!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 August, 2018, 12:01:28 PM
Annwn is a real high point, and a kind of missed opportunity for a different kind of Sláine that could have been a bit Hellboy in nature, exploring old myths and fables, in a contained manner. (The Swan Children works in a similar fashion.) I've not read Horned God in a long time, but I recall that being eye-popping on its original release, and still a decent read years back. It all felt a bit 'diminishing returns' after then, though, until the Books of Invasions, which – bar the odd really bad bit – felt like a return to form. (As I've said elsewhere, I also really rated The Brutania Chronicles: A Simple Killing, but the rest of Brutania bored me senseless.)

As I've already got the full-size HBs of BOI, I think I'm going to go with the classic run here and leave it at that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 30 August, 2018, 12:45:52 PM
The censorship reason for leyser guns is interesting...guess that went out of the window by the time The Horned God came around?

As for taking characters out of their established world - yes I agree it is generally a bad idea and it is the world that has been built as well as the character that provides the interest. But it can work, as you say, on a limited basis, after all The Judge Child quest is my favourite Dredd epic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 August, 2018, 05:43:47 PM
Pat obviously thinks different, but I just don't think Slaine is interesting or charismatic enough to anchor the strip when you take him out of his natural surroundings - thank the Goddess for Ukko!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 30 August, 2018, 06:04:12 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 28 August, 2018, 11:30:53 AM
Yeah. my books are here too. The Sin/Dex book's contents was one we queried early on due to the sheer number of appearances in the prog and Smith talks about this in the intro. The progs covered are:
984, 988-989, 992-993, 1024-1031, 1051-1061, 1079-1082, 1084-1086 & 1090-1091.

Well arse. I was just heading down to the shops to get this, but now I suppose I'm back on hold until there's some effort made towards a complete Sin Dex.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 30 August, 2018, 07:39:50 PM
I've been reading the Kenny Who volume, and so far it's been really good funny stuff! I do like the more recent stories, but it would be nice if they produced more humour strips. Not as a replacement for what we've got, but a mixture would be great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 30 August, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
Hang about, are the covers volumes an actual thing? I didn't opt out, but was never charged and never received one (and am two volumes behind, natch). I assumed the whole idea had been quietly dropped. A spot of Facebook messaging might be on the cards.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 August, 2018, 07:40:28 AM
Quote from: leethomson on 30 August, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
Hang about, are the covers volumes an actual thing? I didn't opt out, but was never charged and never received one (and am two volumes behind, natch). I assumed the whole idea had been quietly dropped. A spot of Facebook messaging might be on the cards.

Covers volume 1 came out a few months back (some time after the delay which put most us 2 vols behind).  So yeah if you wanted one I'd hit them up on FB asap.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Nellgrove on 31 August, 2018, 09:59:40 AM
With some series being released incomplete it makes it harder to understand why there's 13 volumes of Slaine coming in the collection (it's almost as bad as Deadpool getting 80). Plus if there are this many Slaine books coming why haven't more been included already? I hope this series gets extended as there's a lot of B&W classic material i'd want to see ahead of some of the modern stuff that's in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 August, 2018, 10:57:30 AM
The tail end of the collection is going to be very Sláine heavy, clearly, with books coming very regularly. My guess is that specific series were earmarked from day one as having to be complete at the point the series spec was compiled. Nikolai Dante, for example, just doesn't work piecemeal. Strontium Dog lacks the Starlord strips (*grumble*) but will otherwise be the entire arc through to Final Solution, and then everything from then reboot. Sláine gets the same treatment, in part because of its popularity, but also because it mostly has a coherent narrative that threads throughout.

Sinister Dexter is more like Dredd. You can relatively easily hack out inconsequential episodes rather than aiming for completes. Also, it's a pretty divisive strip, and so my instinct is that a great many more Sin Dex books would have been more of a gamble.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 31 August, 2018, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 August, 2018, 10:57:30 AM
Sinister Dexter is more like Dredd. You can relatively easily hack out inconsequential episodes rather than aiming for completes. Also, it's a pretty divisive strip, and so my instinct is that a great many more Sin Dex books would have been more of a gamble.

All true, but I was (naively) hoping that the volumes we did get would be complete in themselves, and maybe even run up towards the Meg floppies.  I know it's not the purpose of the Collection, but I'm not seeing much hope in other formats...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 August, 2018, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: Nellgrove on 31 August, 2018, 09:59:40 AM
With some series being released incomplete it makes it harder to understand why there's 13 volumes of Slaine coming in the collection (it's almost as bad as Deadpool getting 80). Plus if there are this many Slaine books coming why haven't more been included already? I hope this series gets extended as there's a lot of B&W classic material i'd want to see ahead of some of the modern stuff that's in there.

Next Slaine is expected in November (so December for most subscribers) then The High King follows March/April next year.  After that I think 1 in every 5 books will be Slaine volume, so one every 3 months or thereabouts.  If they'd spaced them more evenly from the start then it would have been approximately 1 in every 6 books (1 every 6.15 books to be precise) which would still boil down to one every 3 months for subscribers, although we would now be up to The High King.

I'm guessing they figured it was better to show the range of strips in the early section of the run. Although that doesn't explain why we've had 3 out of 4 Nemesis volumes already, if we applied the logic of trying to show of the range of characters early in the run then it would have made more sense to have 1 of the Bad Company or Caballistics volumes already instead of Vol 3 of Nemesis.  That probably also would have give us the conclusion of the ABC Warriors Black Hole arc before Nemesis Vol 3 which probably would have made more sense.

Personally, as a new reader, I'm finding the mix of material about right.  I'm glad this isn't more heavily classic era 2000AD as some of the modern vols we've had have been among the best in the collection so far for me.  Shakara, Kingdom & Zombo were all top thrills, whereas I could have lived without volume 1 of Stront and the 2nd half of the Robo-hunter volume (and we've got another 2 vols of that 2 come :( )

As for Deadpool getting 80 volumes, wow, er good luck to them with that.  I certainly won't be buying another book case for that one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 31 August, 2018, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: sintec on 31 August, 2018, 12:09:21 PM
Personally, as a new reader, I'm finding the mix of material about right.  I'm glad this isn't more heavily classic era 2000AD as some of the modern vols we've had have been among the best in the collection so far for me.  Shakara, Kingdom & Zombo were all top thrills, whereas I could have lived without volume 1 of Stront and the 2nd half of the Robo-hunter volume (and we've got another 2 vols of that 2 come :( )


As a reader who started in the early 90s and lapsed around the Millennium I couldn't agree more. The new stuff like Shakara, Kingdom and Zombo has been revelatory. I've really enjoyed the timeless early stuff, where the quality of the writing still shines through - Nemesis, Rogue Trooper, Stronty from vol II on, and so on. But some of that 'classic' stuff just comes off as childish bilge to me - Robo-Hunter and Ace Trucking being the main culprits. It's meant to be the Ultimate Collection, not the nostalgia collection.

A think it's partly down to the age you were at the time. I wasn't around for those, so they don't have the benefit of nostalgia. I'd love to read Mambo and Finn again for instance, and I bet I'd love them, though I'm sure older readers regard them as among the worst things ever printed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 31 August, 2018, 01:05:51 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 August, 2018, 10:57:30 AM
Sinister Dexter is [...] a pretty divisive strip, and so my instinct is that a great many more Sin Dex books would have been more of a gamble.
I credit Sinister Dexter with ultimately driving me away from 2000AD, not long after it debuted. I just couldn't see the appeal and resented how frequently it was given space. As a result I gave anything by Dan Abnett a hard pass for many years. I've changed my position on Abnett, but can't say I'm looking forward to these volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 31 August, 2018, 01:09:36 PM
whereas conversely I'd have rather the volume of Slaine in the collection be redirected to Sin Dex instead. Slaine at its height has had some cracking stories. Theres been a lot of dross too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 31 August, 2018, 01:17:04 PM
There's a lot of stuff I'd prefer over either of them tbh, but that's 2000AD's fault for being so prolifically good for so long!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 31 August, 2018, 02:12:38 PM
Just got done with the Sin Dex book.

Like Arkady and leetomson, I was reading throughout the 90s and bailed after Prog 2000, so I remember when there was ALWAYS SinDex and also resented the effort to force a classic by simple repetition.

I'm happy that they trimmed the fat. It's a tighter read with very enjoyable art and mostly linked storylines.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 August, 2018, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 31 August, 2018, 01:00:54 PMIt's meant to be the Ultimate Collection, not the nostalgia collection.
Or the "we already have the press-ready art for most of these" collection. That said, I was quite tempted to keep the ABC Warriors book for the revised SMS art over the relatively iffy production in the Mek-Files.

QuoteA think it's partly down to the age you were at the time. I wasn't around for those, so they don't have the benefit of nostalgia.
There is an element of that, but good writing is good writing. As an example, I finally read the Wagner's Walk floppy last night. The first half (which people wonder may have been a reworked Hellman's tale) is pretty strong, if a bit quirky in that late 1970s/early 1980s way; the second half is crap. Early 2000 AD is similar. There are some stories that still hold up really well, such as a great deal of Strontium Dog, and a lot of Sláine and Nemesis. But, yeah, I find Robo-Hunter pretty trying, and Ace Trucking has its moments (and some lovely art) but kind of annoyed me even back in the day. 

Quote from: leethomson on 31 August, 2018, 01:05:51 PMI credit Sinister Dexter with ultimately driving me away from 2000AD, not long after it debuted. I just couldn't see the appeal and resented how frequently it was given space. As a result I gave anything by Dan Abnett a hard pass for many years. I've changed my position on Abnett, but can't say I'm looking forward to these volumes.
I've been reading quite a lot of old Abnett of late, such as his run on GOTG and the stuff that came before it. I've just come to the conclusion (as presumably shared by those on the re-read threads finding early Grey Area) that he's just a much better writer now with more years under his pen/typing fingers. Even Sin/Dex feels a lot smarter now (even if DA's never really been able the square the attempts at morality within the strip); but head back a decade and his writing has its issues, not least with a kind of rampant sexism throughout chunks of the Marvel runs.

As for the collection in general, I suppose at least people who do a little research now know what they're getting and can plan accordingly. And for people who are newish readers, or lapsed for a large chunk, or who really adore Pat Mills, there's a whole lot to like.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 31 August, 2018, 03:58:57 PM
I do think the Collection has been great overall so far, especially the design and production quality of the books. And I can see why they have leaned heavily on the 'classic' stuff to help sell to people who recall the Prog when its readership was at its largest.

I *loved* Sinister Dexter back in the day, and find it extremely trying now. I'm looking forward to reading it in the UC to see whether the early stuff was as good as I recall.

Come on though, is there ANYONE else who remembers Mambo fondly? The body-horror stuff in that blew my mind as a kid.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 31 August, 2018, 05:10:03 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 August, 2018, 02:55:39 PM
I find Robo-Hunter pretty trying, and Ace Trucking has its moments (and some lovely art) but kind of annoyed me even back in the day. 

For me Robo-Hunter is a perfect example of a strip that seriously outlived its potential.  If I'm completely honest, Verdus is the only story that really interested me.  It had that heady mix of stark-staring bonkers characters (B.O., Robopoly, Verdus parliament, Naffi (sic) droid ... ), insane situations and amazing artwork.  As with his Robo-War work, Gibson's work on Verdus has a fascinating intricacy to it.  With Ace you have Bellardinelli's surreal Euro-Sci-Fi take but ultimately a character who never should have been resurrected, never mind duplicated.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 31 August, 2018, 05:23:44 PM
They football one was brilliant. But then I was 11 and madly in love with football. Haven't re-read it since. Dare not.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 31 August, 2018, 06:34:04 PM
For me the early Brit-Cit stories are some of the best strip in that period of 2000ad late 200s into early 300s and there were some superb strips in that time. It struggled in almost all of the long form stories though and I feel they missed a bit of a trick there.

Mind Farewell by Billions is another high point for me.

Oh and if you lot don't start being nice about Sinister Dexter I'll get me dance out again, so help me I'll get it out again...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 31 August, 2018, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 31 August, 2018, 01:05:51 PM
I credit Sinister Dexter with ultimately driving me away from 2000AD, not long after it debuted. I just couldn't see the appeal and resented how frequently it was given space.

I was the same - I would have pointed at seemingly endless episodes of Sinister Dexter (and Nikolai Dante!) as one of the main reasons for staying away from the Prog for years (after I stopped buying regularly in disgust at Millar's Dredd and general disinterest in almost everything else).  When I returned to the comic in 1999 I was horrified to see that it (and Nikolai Dante!) were still going. Vayase! (and Fuoco!)

Nowadays Sin-Dex (and Nikolai Dante!) is one of my all-time favourite thrills, I can't get enough (I mean I literally can't get enough, because they just won't reprint the bloody thing).  It's uneven to be sure, but ultimately it's such a flexible format that accommodates violence, slapstick, pathos, melodrama, parody, tragedy and wordplay, oh such wordplay! 

I hope whatever they do give us in the Ultimate Collection is the right mix to sell it to the maximum number of unbelievers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 September, 2018, 12:43:53 PM
Finished Time Killer, that got to be somewhat of a slog.  There were some quality moments, the battle in the arena towards the end stands out.  But, ugh, too much waffly nonsense exposition and not enough cleaving things in two with axes.  It really feels like some of these ideas would have been better in a different series.

Dark Jimbo hit the nail on the head earlier in this thread

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 30 August, 2018, 11:59:00 AMWhen you've constructed a whole culture, history and world around your hero, why wrench him out of that? Drunes, dragons, cloud curragh, dwarfs and fomorians - there's your stories. That's what I want to read about.

Couldn't agree more.  I'm guessing Pat felt that in order to extend the characters lifetime in the comic he needed more than that and so this episode was constructed to pull back the curtain and reveal the powers behind the power. To widen the scope of Slaine's world in order to line up some foes to replace Slough Feg when Slaine eventually defeats him. Sadly it mostly felt a bit forced and somewhat naff.  And worst of all, just not very interesting in comparison to the world we had previously.  If these ideas had been introduced more gradually. Foreshadowed and then drip fed into the story a bit before the big reveal. A little more show and a little less tell. Then maybe, just maybe, it might have worked.  That's a pretty big maybe mind. 

It's also sad to think that's the last Bellardinelli Slaine we'll be seeing. Battle of Clontarf looks absolutely stunning and I've really enjoyed all his other work on the series. Alongside Mike McMahon (whose work was also stunning) he constructed a grim world around our hero. Their replacements just didn't really seem to cut the mustard in comparison but maybe the crap story is colouring my vision a little. Given where Pat wanted to go with this story I can see the logic in changing up the art team. I see most of the next volume is Farby so maybe he'll convince me yet.

Anyway I have an unred copy of Judge Death Lives on my bookshelf - that should cleanse my palette.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 01 September, 2018, 03:59:17 PM
Quote from: sintec on 01 September, 2018, 12:43:53 PM
Given where Pat wanted to go with this story I can see the logic in changing up the art team. I see most of the next volume is Farby so maybe he'll convince me yet.

It's not all Farby; David Pguh draws most of the episodes.

Regarding the change of subject matter, I think it might be the other way around - Mills went a bit sci-fi because he'd found someone who (in Mills's words) draws like Moebius. That, and I'd always assumed people kept on asking what a strip about barbarians was doing in a sci-fi comic.

I can see how the contrivances of Time Killer might feel a little odd coming after the artisanal feel of the McMahon stories, but the Leyser era was my introduction to the character, so it was Slaine The King's return to dung and henna tattoos* that struck me as a change of pace. I liked both.

Just to demonstrate I see where you're coming from, when Mills dropped the Celtic stuff and sent Slaine off on a rampage through A Boy's Book Of British History for a few years, I was all sad about leaving Tir Nan Og and the cast of familiar characters behind. But, as the story of Slough Feg demonstrates, change is necessary and good.**


* Reading all the early strips as some sort of half-arsed graphic novel might make the gear-changes seem a bit crunchy, but it's easy to forget that most kids would have read 2000ad for a few years then moved on. There'd be kids picking up Time Killer who assumed the strip had always been that way

**Mills-haters can silently mouth their own your own jokes to themselves, here
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 01 September, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
To be fair to Mills, all that quasi-SF stuff was there from the start: as I never seem to tire of pointing out, the very first page is a T-Rex emerging from a time portal created by drune magic in a trilithon.  With the story leading us to the Eternal Fortress on the way home, and a suitable new crop of artists coming on board, a diversion into elder gods, time-travel and high-tech pre-human civilisations was on the cards from day one: it's that kind of fantasy.  And time-travel is also there in the source material: what's Oisín's meeting with St. Patrick after his return from Tír na n'Óg if not a celtic version of Demolition Man?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 September, 2018, 05:08:41 PM
Yeah the change in context from weekly episodes spread over half a year into a collected form probably doesn't do it any favours.  Nor does pairing it with Dragonheist which had much more in common with the rest of Volume 1 and so made the change feel even more jarring.

I was fine with dinosaurs coming through time portals and flying sky ships powered by blood magic and ley lines.  Somehow leysers and Cythrons were a step too far for some reason. I don't think the sudden change of feel from gritty, grim and earthy to hi-tech universe spanning sci-fi helped.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 01 September, 2018, 05:26:16 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 01 September, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: Frank on 01 September, 2018, 03:59:17 PM
Tir Nan Og

Tír na n'Óg

Your fingers must have looked like Simone Biles doing a floor routine as they performed all the key combinations necessary to make that pop up on screen.*

Anyway, Time Killer is brilliant! If the ingenious/cringeworthy Dev-els wordplay doesn't do it for you, then surely the fantastically inventive** stuff about restoring the macrocosmic balance should. Particularly the scene where they're forced to coo sweet nothings to Pluke so he can get it up.


* I should feel Celt-shamed, but it's not my fault the English oppressors cruelly forced my people not to give a dry shite about the tongue we would otherwise hold so dear. Even though none of us ever actually spoke it.

** Although problematic from the perspective of the ongoing narrative. Seems to come and go as a concept. When it was dropped into one of the books of Brutania Chronicles, recently, I almost spat out my cornflakes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 September, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
I could quite happily have down without pluke altogether tbh. And all the waffle about the macrocosmic balance just read like recycled hippy claptrap. ymmv of course.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 September, 2018, 07:17:10 PM
Quote from: sintec on 01 September, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
I could quite happily have down without pluke altogether tbh. And all the waffle about the macrocosmic balance just read like recycled hippy claptrap. ymmv of course.

Aw, I really liked Pluke.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 01 September, 2018, 09:52:28 PM
Quote from: sintec on 01 September, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
recycled hippy claptrap

Man, you are going to love the series about the zodiac, the Earth goddess and reincarnation! Slaine's all claptrap, all the time.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: maryanddavid on 02 September, 2018, 02:24:55 AM
Quotewhat's Oisín's meeting with St. Patrick after his return from Tír na n'Óg if not a celtic version of Demolition Man?
Good job Oisín and Tuan managed to travel in time to tell the tales, Sláine would never have existed. Or maybe he would have if he traveled in time. Araaggg!!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 03 September, 2018, 07:30:03 AM
I enjoyed Sinister Dexter volume 1 for the most part, although I hadn't realised it was second only to Dredd for number of episodes in the prog. Presumably that's why opinions are divided, as the quality of the writing isn't always as it should be? Correct me if I'm wrong on that. As a first volume of greatest hits, I thought it was fun with a good mix of artwork and I chuckled a few times at the dialogue. If the quality is maintained for the next two volumes I'll look forward to them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 03 September, 2018, 08:46:18 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 03 September, 2018, 07:30:03 AM
second only to Dredd for number of episodes in the prog.

Is this true? Good lord this madness has to end. I mean the strip itself has had about three perfectly serviceable endings. Is it just the comic's need for material coupled with Abnett's seeming ability to keep churning out content that's led us to this? I also understand some people like it 😂
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 03 September, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
Quote from: Grumpy Andrew on 03 September, 2018, 08:46:18 AMI also understand some people like it 😂

S'right, and hopefully that's why it's still going.  But to your first point, I doubt Tharg can afford to boot a strip by one of the best writers in the industry that can seemingly deliver stories at any length with any artist and almost any tone.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 03 September, 2018, 10:32:28 AM
Sin Dex bashing baffles me - it's a fun series that always offers decent jokes, puns and dialogue. It also varies up its content (such as the recent diner convo episode) away from the standard 2000ad formula of 'resolution (from last week), set up, cliff hanger'. The Simon Davis stuff remains some of the best long arc narrative stuff in the progs history. The only time my patience with it was tested was when a particularly minimalist artist had a long run at it and didn't seem to be bringing much to the table. Soon as the artist changed it was back to a solid-to-great regular. Week in week out Abnett creates great stuff for Tharg and long may he continue to do so. The guy is an absolute powerhouse of quality comics writing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 03 September, 2018, 10:41:47 AM
The problem with SinDex was that bloody Moses war storyline that took the best part of a decade! Got way too wrapped up in it's multi-reality confusion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 03 September, 2018, 11:32:26 AM
A complete SinDex one day is still the way to go!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 03 September, 2018, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 August, 2018, 10:57:30 AM
Sinister Dexter is more like Dredd. You can relatively easily hack out inconsequential episodes rather than aiming for completes. Also, it's a pretty divisive strip, and so my instinct is that a great many more Sin Dex books would have been more of a gamble.

I know this collection isn't intended to be complete but I would say the opposite. Sin/Dex was, at one time, like Dredd in that its constant presence in the Prog allowed the writer to play around, mixing daft or experimental one-off tales with longer stories and an ongoing narrative. It's the only strip apart from Dredd which has ever been in that position and, like Dredd, it also allowed Abnett to seed elements of the latter in the former: one key plot point in Eurotrash was first introduced in the Sex Prog!

Given that (and Rebellion's less than stellar track record with this one strip) complete is really the way to go.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 03 September, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
Oh, and Time Killer is ace you berks. More Hawkmoon than Corum, whatever Elfric tries to tell you!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 03 September, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 03 September, 2018, 12:51:23 PM
I know this collection isn't intended to be complete but I would say the opposite. Sin/Dex was, at one time, like Dredd in that its constant presence in the Prog allowed the writer to play around, mixing daft or experimental one-off tales with longer stories and an ongoing narrative. It's the only strip apart from Dredd which has ever been in that position and, like Dredd, it also allowed Abnett to seed elements of the latter in the former: one key plot point in Eurotrash was first introduced in the Sex Prog!

Given that (and Rebellion's less than stellar track record with this one strip) complete is really the way to go.

Amen to ALL that Pete.  SinDex's great appeal is its combination of repetition and novelty (but ALWAYS delivered with a sharp and groanworthy wit), and I honestly believe the more of it you read, the more you can appreciate its playful cleverness.

I really can't overemphasise how much I hated its shallow Tarantino-homages, directionless amoral violence, ill-defined near-contemporary setting and frequently murky art cluttering up my prog back at  the start (I grouped it with Outlaw in my head - or Buttonman meets Dr & Quinch, as written by Alec Trench) or how completely my opinion has changed.

Hadn't twigged that about the Sex Prog, excellent observation! 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 04 September, 2018, 06:31:37 PM
Just popping in to belatedly support Time Killer - I HATE with a passion mixing up fantasy and sci-fi or fantasy and present day/real world - Time Killer does both, but it is so audacious and Millsian in its inventive spin on the material that it totally worls for me, expanding the wider world of Slaine whilst keeping it all "sealed off" as a battle of the 'Gods' occurring beyond the knowledge of most of the people of the Land of the Young. Sure a bit of a lead in to it between Dragon Heist and Time Killer might have been smarter, but Pat has never been one to lay down a breadcrumb to follow, for good or ill - he has an idea and it drags him off at full pelt. I know that has been to the detriment of some of his stories, but it works for me here to be dropped in to the Eternal War
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tombo on 04 September, 2018, 07:12:47 PM
Quote from: Grumpy Andrew on 03 September, 2018, 08:46:18 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 03 September, 2018, 07:30:03 AM
second only to Dredd for number of episodes in the prog.

Is this true?

Sin-Dex has appeared 348 time in the Prog (plus a few Special), by comparison Nikolai Dante "only" appeared 292 time.  I don't have a complete run of Progs (780 onwards plus another 97 earlier Progs) but Slaine racks up 248 entries in those issues and Strontium Dog 188.  There were also 201 Future Shocks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 September, 2018, 10:29:19 PM
Here's a question.  I have the 'case files' edition of Strontium Dog, the one that had, among other things, Portrait of a Mutant.  Are all the stories in that book going to appear in the collection.  If so, I know someone who would be appreciative of the Case Files book, but I'm a bit reluctant to let go of one that will have stories that won't appear in the collection.

I also guess Ro-Busters wont appear in this collection, if so, that's maybe for the best as a large part of it appeared in Starlord and we might end up with the same difficulties we had with early Johnny Alpha.  Starlord seemed to have a significant chunk of Ro-Busters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 04 September, 2018, 11:06:40 PM
Ro-Busters started in Starlord, appearing, if I am not mistaken, in every issue. If you want those stories, they have been reprinted in Nuts 'n' Bolts  volume one ( a sort of Mek Files but for Ro-Busters).

A few comments on the last couple of pages.

Time killer is great. The art by Fabry and Pugh is awesome. Leyser guns are still naff though.

SinisterDexter is one of the best strips in 2000AD history and long may it continue. When the Prog consisted of Dredd, Sinister Dexter and Dante as permanent residents plus two guest strips, that was good for me, thanks very much.

Indeed if we could have a Dredd plus SinDex and Grey Area now that would work for me too. But I guess Dan Abnett has to sleep sometimes.  And write more Brink and Lawless too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 05 September, 2018, 01:29:49 AM
I complained a few pages back about what I viewed as the missed opportunities in this series (Slaine getting 10 volumes when you can walk into your local Forbidden Planet tomorrow and buy all of it but God forbid Red seas get a proper collection) Sin Dex also deserves a full collection and it's a shame it won't happen here because it clearly means Rebellion won't do it. Obviously they know their business better than I do and hate to criticise them about anything because they tend to be proven right but it would have been nice. And a Red Seas collection please Tharg.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 September, 2018, 02:57:27 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 04 September, 2018, 11:06:40 PM
Ro-Busters started in Starlord, appearing, if I am not mistaken, in every issue. If you want those stories, they have been reprinted in Nuts 'n' Bolts  volume one ( a sort of Mek Files but for Ro-Busters).

I already have the 'case files' size Ro-Busters that appeared a few years back, but was just noting how much was from Star-Lord.  I think some later stuff was 2000AD.  The artwork style changed dramatically as Starlords seemed far more detailed, though that's not to say that 2000AD's wasn't decent, just a different style.

Just what is Red Seas?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 05 September, 2018, 07:47:56 AM
Put me down for a complete SiniDex too. As far as I'm concerned it's the best thing 2000AD has published in the "modern age", edging out Dante for this reader.
I'd also put it easily in my top ten "of all time" (or since prog one, for those less interested in hyperbole) and the sad fact that it's never been properly collected yet is obviously popular enough to hold a semi regular slot in the comic still, makes me wail and gnash my teeth.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 September, 2018, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 04 September, 2018, 10:29:19 PM
Here's a question.  I have the 'case files' edition of Strontium Dog, the one that had, among other things, Portrait of a Mutant.  Are all the stories in that book going to appear in the collection.  If so, I know someone who would be appreciative of the Case Files book, but I'm a bit reluctant to let go of one that will have stories that won't appear in the collection.

If vol 3 of Strontium Dog contains The Killing and Outlaw then I think we'll have everything that's in Agency Files 2 (which I'm assuming is the edition you're talking about).  Vol 3 should be in the shops next week I believe so not long to wait and find out.

Seems the tide of opinion is against me on Time Killer.  I'll have to give it another go at some point, probably shortly before the next volume of Slaine turns up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 September, 2018, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: sintec on 05 September, 2018, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 04 September, 2018, 10:29:19 PM
Here's a question.  I have the 'case files' edition of Strontium Dog, the one that had, among other things, Portrait of a Mutant.  Are all the stories in that book going to appear in the collection.  If so, I know someone who would be appreciative of the Case Files book, but I'm a bit reluctant to let go of one that will have stories that won't appear in the collection.

If vol 3 of Strontium Dog contains The Killing and Outlaw then I think we'll have everything that's in Agency Files 2 (which I'm assuming is the edition you're talking about).  Vol 3 should be in the shops next week I believe so not long to wait and find out.

Should be The Killing, Outlaw and Big Bust of '49 - that'll be all the main stories from Agency Files 2, but it's doubtful any of the Annual stories will appear in the UC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 05 September, 2018, 09:39:18 AM
You'd have thunk if all the content is available digitally, which Red Seas is and I assume most if not all of SinDex, that Print On Demand could be an option for a smart hard back edition. I've bought several roleplay books which are small run PoD from PDFs and they look great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 September, 2018, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 September, 2018, 09:24:44 AM
Should be The Killing, Outlaw and Big Bust of '49 - that'll be all the main stories from Agency Files 2, but it's doubtful any of the Annual stories will appear in the UC.

Isn't that all of the rest of the stories from Agency Files 2, it is according to wikipedia anyway?

Why do you doubt we'll be getting the annual stories in the UC?
We've had annual stories from several other series.  As far as I'm aware we're expecting pretty much the whole run bar the Starlord stuff aren't we?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 September, 2018, 10:22:14 AM
I imagine extras like annual stories will show up if they are essential, if there's space, or if they don't overlap what was in the Dredd collection. With Strontium Dog, that suggests no Top Dog (although IIRC that was a Dredd branded tale anyway), but the annual stuff might still make it in. Mind you, some of the annual stories were a bit off anyway, being by totally different creative teams who didn't really get the strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 September, 2018, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: sintec on 05 September, 2018, 09:41:32 AM
Why do you doubt we'll be getting the annual stories in the UC?

It's been a bit all over the place so far on that score, consistency-wise. We just got Battle of Clontarf in Slaine #2, for instance, which is barely even in-continuity; but in the Ace Trucking book we didn't get the story from the '82 Sci-Fi Special, despite the last story in the collection directly referencing the event of that tale!

I suspect it's like Indigo says, a bit of a mix of what's print-ready/what's relevant/what fits, etc. Most of the Stront annual stories aren't too good, to be honest, but it'd be a shame if The Beast Of Milton Keynes didn't appear.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 September, 2018, 12:02:44 PM
Also, notably, some of Rebellion's own trades have similar issues. The Nemesis Winter Special strip where [spoiler]he frees Candida from her madness[/spoiler] was originally placed as an 'extra', despite it being a pretty important link between two stories in the Prog. (2000 AD used to do this a lot – the Rogue Trooper arc The Hit was tied up in a special, and Corey's [spoiler]suicide[/spoiler] was relegated to a special, for some reason (and had a DPS annoyingly printed across two spreads in the Mega Collection.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 September, 2018, 12:23:33 PM
plus of course never forget the sindex eurocrash collection which was missing the bulk of the story because mister abnett dared change the name of the strip during a major part of it and whoever was in charge of the collections at the time was asleep at the wheel.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 September, 2018, 08:04:43 PM
The latest stront volume (3) is another black and white one that suffers from pages here and there where the blacks are grey instead of black. I'm starting to wonder if this is some kind of CMYK error in the proofs- like they've forgotten to convert half the pages from RGB it something. It's pretty frustrating, though I feel the worst offender was the McMahon art on Slaine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 September, 2018, 09:14:29 AM
Probably worth checking with others whether their copies suffer from the same. I've had a few books like that during the Dredd run that were fine when I got a replacement. (That said, it could, as you say, be a screw-up in production, if it's a lot of pages. QC doesn't appear to be especially high with some of these volumes.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 September, 2018, 11:47:24 AM
Mine seems fine, to be honest...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 September, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 September, 2018, 11:47:24 AM
Mine seems fine, to be honest...
ok, I'll see if they'll send me another one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 September, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
Looking at the contents of Strontium Dog vol 3 and wondering whether vol 4 will be thicker to accommodate both Max Bubba and Rage or whether Rage will be split a la The Black Hole.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 September, 2018, 02:26:16 PM
I doubt they'll split any stories in half. Black Hole and Hellbringer are a bit different because they were originally run in the prog as 'Book One' and 'Book Two'. Going to be interesting to see if they run Rage in Book IV though - my guess is they'll hold it over for Book V.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 September, 2018, 10:15:24 AM
There are a couple of new covers up on Forbidden Planet:

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230868-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-35/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230868-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-35/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/3d/58/d188a6f3d98d86d04d0cb9bdda389e21354b.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

https://forbiddenplanet.com/230867-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-34/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230867-2000ad-ultimate-collection-issue-34/)
(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/01/4c/e8a760d42fd03f59fb2f8359d2562ccd3d8d.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 September, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
That looks like Rage to me, so presumably at least part of it will be in the next SD volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 September, 2018, 09:13:31 PM
Arh man its good to be back on the Dante trail soon... well soonish...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 17 September, 2018, 08:49:32 AM
http://megacitybookclub.blogspot.com/2018/09/75-tsar-wars.html

Topical.  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 September, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
Good news - the Agony Pages are included in D.R. and Quinch, and they're in colour! *happy dance*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 September, 2018, 04:40:59 PM
So I canned my sub, have swiftly realised it's bloody impossible to buy these things locally now, and was planning to resubscribe and sell off the ones I don't want. They won't reply on Facebook Messenger (I've a feeling I've been blocked/muted) and their email support took a week to respond by saying: "Am not sure why it states that you can subscribe from issue 25. I know you can start from issue 1. If you can not subscribe on the web site you can give us a ring on this number for assistance. 0333 300 1045".

I'm... going to have to... phone them. PRAY FOR ME.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 September, 2018, 05:50:54 PM
Good luck.

It's truly bizarre how difficult they make these things - it's almost like they don't want people to buy their books or something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 September, 2018, 07:35:30 PM
It really is odd. But also our town doesn't have a standard newsagent any more, hence me looking at this option (not least given how rapidly these are selling out now). If I can't get any sense out of Hachette, I'll see if WHSmith or McColls in town can get issues in for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2018, 09:38:09 AM
Oh my. Someone finally replied, after I publicly sent a message on the FB page. They've offered to restart the sub at 29.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 25 September, 2018, 11:13:25 AM
you can pre-order them on the Forbidden Planet website (and save a little bit on the shop price) I'm cherry-picking and have ordered the 4th Dante due in December, but I can't see any reason why you couldn't pre-order them all as they are released
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Nellgrove on 25 September, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
I've only subscribed recently, so I asked to get an extra 2 issues in September. Received a reply stating my next delivery was in September (for the standard 2 issues delivery). Thanks Hachette :) I may try again, but then i think is it really worth risking getting what i should be getting just to catch up a bit?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
Dandontdare: I was thinking about Forbidden Planet, but it ultimately costs more money, due to postage. Easy enough to get the books and sell off the ones I don't want on eBay. Entertainingly, I now have three totally different answers, though, from Hachette:

- You can only subscribe from issue 1
- You can subscribe from the next issue (29)
- You can start a subscription from any issue

Perhaps they live in some kind of connection point from alternate universes, which is why their customer support is all over the place. I guess I'll phone them if the FB people don't respond shortly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 25 September, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
hatchett is a shell company for indigo prime it would explain why theres no ip strips in the collection and why they are dicking you around man
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 25 September, 2018, 03:23:18 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
- You can start a subscription from any issue

I was on the understanding it was this one, although there may be some delay with back issues that have sold out. I wouldn't think that would be a problem with the 2000ad Ultimate collection yet, though.

I wonder if it's a case of the different individuals you spoke to in the company being uncertain themselves! I wonder how many temp workers they utilise...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2018, 03:32:26 PM
I suspect a lot of the staff are basically clueless. One person told me you can *only* sub from issue one. I then noted their website had a drop-down menu that suggested otherwise. Follow-up from someone else then said *that* was messed up, because it doesn't have more recent issues, and said they'd flag a support call with their web team. So at least they were on the ball. So my choices now are what issue I want to sub from, and whether I go with 29 though the Facebook lot or brave a phone call for my preferred option of 31.

They're like the anti-Denise/anti-Oliver though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 25 September, 2018, 03:52:31 PM
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Hachette's customer service is awful.

Eaglemoss' is very good but their warehouse move recently has let a lot of people down.

DeAgostini on the other hand are the worst of the lot.

They make Hachette look like the best in CS.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2018, 05:01:09 PM
To be fair, Hachette's in some ways quite good. I have _never_ had any trouble getting replacement copies for items with damage. My subscriptions have arrived like clockwork. And the Facebook Messenger people have at least in the past been relatively communicative if you can give them a few days.

But, man, you'd think I was trying to get something out of them this past week rather than subscribe again. It's bonkers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 September, 2018, 12:03:22 AM
Following the conversation about Time Killer I've been considering how the change from weekly episodes to a compiled book affects these stories.  The culmination of this line of thinking was a desire to get a better picture of when the various different strips ran and which things were contemporaneous.

To that end I took the Dredd index posted on the Mega collection thread by abelardsnazz, added the info about the strips from the Ultimate Collection and then ran a script over the data to produce approximate dates for each episode.  This turned out to be way more of a pain than I initial expected due to varying release schedules for the Megazine and Prog, missed issues and other such fun.  Anyway I think it's now in a state where it's mostly reasonably accurate (I've been checking dates against Barney and in most cases it's usually no worse than a few days out) and I thought it might be of interest to others here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bxJ3aSc82OEkdvvIb2BA0CIlpqWuQWBjehOpvU1vZFw/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bxJ3aSc82OEkdvvIb2BA0CIlpqWuQWBjehOpvU1vZFw/edit?usp=sharing)

If you see any glaring errors please let me know.  I'll aim to keep this updated as the Ultimate Collection continues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 26 September, 2018, 04:31:02 PM
Wow, great to see my index being put to expanded use! Be interesting to see this expand.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 27 September, 2018, 08:55:02 AM
I'm utterly confused by the responses I've had from Hatchette recently.

Had contacted them as I had yet to receive the Nemesis figurine. First e-mail they told me it would be dispatched and received with my next order. Didn't arrive, so I e-mailed again and was told I wasn't a Premium subscriber. I've received all the Premium subscriber gifts thus far, but now I appear to have been downgraded, and the fact it takes a good week or two for a response doesn't help.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 27 September, 2018, 09:42:50 AM
I'd stick to messenger - it seems to work. Log into your account on hachette website and you should be able to see if you've been Premium all this time - its an extra £1.50 per book. Send them a screen grab with your subscription number. I can't iterate enough that calling or email doesn't seem to work. I've had both figures replaced in about 2 weeks. all the best.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 27 September, 2018, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 27 September, 2018, 09:42:50 AM
I'd stick to messenger - it seems to work. Log into your account on hachette website and you should be able to see if you've been Premium all this time - its an extra £1.50 per book. Send them a screen grab with your subscription number. I can't iterate enough that calling or email doesn't seem to work. I've had both figures replaced in about 2 weeks. all the best.

Cheers, Robert!

Will do!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 27 September, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: Rately on 27 September, 2018, 08:55:02 AM
I'm utterly confused by the responses I've had from Hatchette recently.

Had contacted them as I had yet to receive the Nemesis figurine. First e-mail they told me it would be dispatched and received with my next order. Didn't arrive, so I e-mailed again and was told I wasn't a Premium subscriber. I've received all the Premium subscriber gifts thus far, but now I appear to have been downgraded, and the fact it takes a good week or two for a response doesn't help.
The premium subscription has only had 2 gifts so far - the Nemesis figure & the Judge Death figure. There's also the covers book which was entirely unrelated to the premium subscription. All the other gifts were part of the standard subscription.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 27 September, 2018, 02:02:29 PM
Good point bernardsfingers!
The Premium figures are lovely things, especially the Nemesis the Warlock statue. The are painted well and have a bit of weight to them. Here's to the Halo Jones figure coming next!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 27 September, 2018, 02:08:20 PM
I'm guessing subscribers haven't received their latest copies yet (27 & 28, charged on the 14th)?

:(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 27 September, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
I haven't had 27 & 28 yet and I subscribed from the start.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 27 September, 2018, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 27 September, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
I haven't had 27 & 28 yet and I subscribed from the start.

Same.

Hachette says there's another Opt-In/Out letter coming too as if I've changed my mind since the first one!
Hopefully this doesn't muck up the release schedule even more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 27 September, 2018, 03:03:34 PM
Quote from: oddballuk on 27 September, 2018, 02:08:20 PM
I'm guessing subscribers haven't received their latest copies yet (27 & 28, charged on the 14th)?

:(

Nope, and also charged on the 14th.

Because I'm a nerd with a rage against Hachette's customer service I've been keeping a log of my payment/arrival dates, with one or two uncertainties where I was away:

Issues 03-04 paid 22 Sep arrived 29 Sep/06 Oct?
Issues 05-06 paid 20 Oct arrived 02 November
Issues 07-08 paid 24 Nov arrived 05 December
Issues 09-10 paid 22 Dec arrived 08 Jan
Issues 11-12 back-ordered 18 Jan arrived 22 Jan
Issues 13-14 paid 02 Feb arrived 09 Feb
Issues 15-16 paid 30 Mar arrived 10 April
Issues 17-18 paid 27 Apr arrived 09 May
Issues 19-20 paid 25 May arrived 04 June
Issues 21-22 paid 22 Jun arrived 03 July
Issues 23-24 paid 20 Jul arrived 31Jul/1Aug?
Issues 25-26 paid 17 Aug arrived 28 August
Issues 27-28 paid 14 Sep arrived

In other words, it's late based on recent trends, but not record-beatingly so.

</nerd>
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 28 September, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
My copies of 27 & 28 just arrived - although I've not opened the packet yet so haven't read the letter yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 28 September, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Actually I've just read the letter & it's almost exactly the same as the previous one - i.e. contact us to cancel receiving this item you never showed any interest in the last time we sent this letter. Bit pissed off - thought they might have had a different letter for people who contacted to cancel previously asking if they'd contact if they'd changed their minds. Obviously that would be too sensible/complicated - I hope there's not a similar disaster waiting subscribers!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 September, 2018, 12:41:27 PM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 28 September, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Actually I've just read the letter & it's almost exactly the same as the previous one - i.e. contact us to cancel receiving this item you never showed any interest in the last time we sent this letter. Bit pissed off - thought they might have had a different letter for people who contacted to cancel previously asking if they'd contact if they'd changed their minds. Obviously that would be too sensible/complicated - I hope there's not a similar disaster waiting subscribers!
My letter came last month. I had before opted out and so emailed and complained. They said they would opt me out of the remaining too as well but we shall see. Just got my 29&30, no covers book, same short delay as everyone else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 September, 2018, 12:56:03 PM
It's only the Alan Moore written SKIZZ collected, in case anyone was wondering. (308-330)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 September, 2018, 04:23:04 PM
My account status now states "running". I've no idea what that means. But I don't want to subscribe online now, in case I end up with two lots of subscriptions. ARGH. Natch, they won't answer the phone.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 28 September, 2018, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 28 September, 2018, 04:23:04 PM
My account status now states "running". I've no idea what that means.

Mine says that too, so it probably means you're subscribed again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 29 September, 2018, 11:03:44 AM
Got my copies of the Strontium Dog and Sinister Dexter books -nice to see Dogbreath getting name-checked in the notes section!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 30 September, 2018, 07:11:14 AM
If there's anyone who is subscribing who doesn't want the covers special, I will happily buy it from you.

I managed to get the first one on eBay after Hachette refused to sell me one because I prefer to support my local thrill merchant than subscribe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 September, 2018, 02:07:34 PM
I've been playing around with stats a bit more and have produced a graph showing the number of stories included in the collections per prog.  The outcome is a reasonably predictable dip in the early 700-1000s and what looks like another dip around the 1300s.  It'll be interesting to see how that changes as the UC fills up, particularly given that most of the long running series are being done chronologically so we've yet to reach that era of Slaine for example.

Prog 415 is currently the only one from which we have 5 stories.  There are about 50 progs from which we have 4.  And currently around 400 progs from which we've had no stories at all.

If you want to play with the data it's https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bxJ3aSc82OEkdvvIb2BA0CIlpqWuQWBjehOpvU1vZFw/edit#gid=1381449197 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bxJ3aSc82OEkdvvIb2BA0CIlpqWuQWBjehOpvU1vZFw/edit#gid=1381449197)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 30 September, 2018, 02:16:56 PM
Quote from: sintec on 30 September, 2018, 02:07:34 PM
I've been playing around with stats a bit more and have produced a graph showing the number of stories included in the collections per prog.  The outcome is a reasonably predictable dip in the early 700-1000s and what looks like another dip around the 1300s.  It'll be interesting to see how that changes as the UC fills up, particularly given that most of the long running series are being done chronologically so we've yet to reach that era of Slaine for example.

Prog 415 is currently the only one from which we have 5 stories.  There are about 50 progs from which we have 4.  And currently around 400 progs from which we've had no stories at all.

If you want to play with the data it's https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bxJ3aSc82OEkdvvIb2BA0CIlpqWuQWBjehOpvU1vZFw/edit#gid=1381449197 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bxJ3aSc82OEkdvvIb2BA0CIlpqWuQWBjehOpvU1vZFw/edit#gid=1381449197)

You're a genius, sintec. 415's not the particular issue you'd expect; interesting to contrast this with the Greatest Issue Ever discussion on the current Prog Discussion thread (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45466.msg992565#msg992565):

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=415


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 September, 2018, 03:09:22 PM
Looking through some of the suggested greatests in that thread:

335 & 339 - Next volume of Rogue Trooper should give us 5 from both of these
228 - We've got everything but the Mean Arena already and we're not getting that
503 - I don't think we're getting that Dredd but I think we'll suspect we'll get the Slaine and Bad Company soon
653 - No Zenith :( and I'm not convinced we'll be getting that Rogue Trooper either
1634 - Don't think we're gettng Cradlegrave and with only 1 book of Savage getting to Book 5 seems unlikely
178 - No Dash Decent or Mean Arena but we already have everything else

Seems ironic that 415 is right in the middle of Time Killer.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 30 September, 2018, 04:04:52 PM
That graph is glorious. Geekery of the highest and finest order. Sir, I salute you. I look forward to updates!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 September, 2018, 04:11:29 PM
Be interesting to see how much that red spreads as we go one. I'd hope by the end of the series its more balanced like the Mega Collection one. The start will of course have some biase towards older issues as runs have just started.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 30 September, 2018, 06:11:51 PM
Magnificent, Sintec, simply magnificent. Now do it for ALL collections currently in print!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 September, 2018, 08:07:59 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 September, 2018, 04:11:29 PM
Be interesting to see how much that red spreads as we go one. I'd hope by the end of the series its more balanced like the Mega Collection one. The start will of course have some biase towards older issues as runs have just started.

I've got some, offline, speculation on the content of future release and I think it will balance out.  The dip in the 700s-1000s looks likely to be even more pronounced in the Ultimate Collection than it was in the MC though (although from what I hear that's maybe not a bad thing).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 30 September, 2018, 08:27:41 PM
Quote from: sintec on 30 September, 2018, 08:07:59 PM
The dip in the 700s-1000s looks likely to be even more pronounced in the Ultimate Collection than it was in the (Judge Dredd Mega-Collection)

Hilary Robinson, Mark Millar and Alan McKenzie often had 2 or 3 strips running at a time during (different) parts of that era. Some of their work can't be reprinted (http://www.comicsbeat.com/mad-mental-crazy-the-true-life-of-the-fabulous-zenith-part-2/). Some of it can't be reprinted without renaming the Ultimate Collection.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 30 September, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Frank on 30 September, 2018, 08:27:41 PM
Quote from: sintec on 30 September, 2018, 08:07:59 PM
The dip in the 700s-1000s looks likely to be even more pronounced in the Ultimate Collection than it was in the (Judge Dredd Mega-Collection)

Hilary Robinson, Mark Millar and Alan McKenzie often had 2 or 3 strips running at a time during (different) parts of that era.

Hilary Robinson's last prog credit was 699 - her work didn't make it into the era in question. (And whilst no-one is ever going to argue Chronos Carnival was anything other than a dud, I'd maintain most of her other work was good, sometimes great.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 September, 2018, 08:52:25 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 30 September, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
Hilary Robinson's last prog credit was 699 - her work didn't make it into the era in question. (And whilst no-one is ever going to argue Chronos Carnival was anything other than a dud, I'd maintain most of her other work was good, sometimes great.)

She gets a bad press but I agree with Greg here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 30 September, 2018, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 30 September, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
Hilary Robinson's last prog credit was 699 - her work didn't make it into the era in question.

Millar (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=thrills&Comic=2000AD&Field=Writer&choice=markm) and McKenzie (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=thrills&Comic=2000AD&Field=Writer&choice=alanmc) contributed around 1000 pages each between 700-1000. That seems enough to put a dunt in reprint from that era.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 30 September, 2018, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 September, 2018, 08:52:25 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 30 September, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
Hilary Robinson's last prog credit was 699 - her work didn't make it into the era in question. (And whilst no-one is ever going to argue Chronos Carnival was anything other than a dud, I'd maintain most of her other work was good, sometimes great.)

She gets a bad press but I agree with Greg here.

Thirded.

A thousand pages of Millar 2000AD.  There's an image you don't want in your head as you wind down towards sleep...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 30 September, 2018, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 30 September, 2018, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 September, 2018, 08:52:25 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 30 September, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
... most of (Hilary Robinson's) work was good, sometimes great

I agree with Greg here.

Thirded. A thousand pages of Millar 2000AD.  There's an image you don't want in your head as you wind down towards sleep ...

If the above exchange proves anything, it's that every strip is somebody's darling. Prepare to learn that Silo was the Halo Jones of the nineties or that Babe Race 2000 'is what it is'.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 October, 2018, 03:39:50 AM
Quote from: sintec on 30 September, 2018, 03:09:22 PM
Looking through some of the suggested greatests in that thread:

335 & 339 - Next volume of Rogue Trooper should give us 5 from both of these
228 - We've got everything but the Mean Arena already and we're not getting that
503 - I don't think we're getting that Dredd but I think we'll suspect we'll get the Slaine and Bad Company soon
653 - No Zenith :( and I'm not convinced we'll be getting that Rogue Trooper either
1634 - Don't think we're gettng Cradlegrave and with only 1 book of Savage getting to Book 5 seems unlikely
178 - No Dash Decent or Mean Arena but we already have everything else

Seems ironic that 415 is right in the middle of Time Killer.

We're only getting one Savage book?  I've already got Invasion, the Guv'nor and Taking Liberties, so I guess that means I'll be getting nothing new then?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 October, 2018, 08:32:08 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 02 October, 2018, 03:39:50 AM
We're only getting one Savage book?  I've already got Invasion, the Guv'nor and Taking Liberties, so I guess that means I'll be getting nothing new then?

That's what wikipedia has listed (although it's reference doesn't specify the number of books so I'm not sure where the figure came from).  I don't think there are any unknowns left though so unless there's going to be an extension 2 books is almost certainly all we're going to get.

Out of interest when did the MC announce it's extension?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2018, 09:39:52 AM
The official 2000 AD announcement was on 5 July 2017. That coincided with issue 65 hitting stores. So about seven months from the end of the original run. The equivalent date with the 2000 AD collection would be 12 Feb 2020, so some way off. It's also impossible to know how different the economics are, although I would say that arguably the potential for an extension here is much greater. Sure, the last ten Dredd books were mostly pretty great, but it felt like that was a final burst. By contrast, you could easily get another 20 books or more out of 2000 AD. At the very least, I hope we get enough to add whatever new Kingdom and Strontium Dog has run by that time, and for some kind of John Smith output to be included. (I still reckon Leatherjack/Firekind would make for a superb volume.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 02 October, 2018, 01:50:14 PM
The original Marvel run is _still_ going isnt it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
Yep. And to confuse matters, there's a second iteration of that as well. To some extent, the original Marvel run has turned into "get a nice hardback of a year-old strip for ten quid", which isn't too bad if you like enough of them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 October, 2018, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2018, 09:39:52 AM
At the very least, I hope we get enough to add whatever new Kingdom and Strontium Dog has run by that time, and for some kind of John Smith output to be included. (I still reckon Leatherjack/Firekind would make for a superb volume.)

Very much with you on the Kingdom and Strontium Dog top-ups.  I'm not familiar with the John Smith stuff but given the comments in this thread I shall probably hunt down some trades if this stuff doesn't get included in an extension because it's clearly highly rated but many long term readers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2018, 06:54:06 PM
Smith is one of the more divisive script droids in 2000 AD's history, not least because of his frequency odd use of language, but he's also one of its most creative. He's capable of creeping horror (Cradlegrave), oddball science fiction weirdness (Indigo Prime), and also wrote Avatar before the Avatar people (Firekind).

I'm not sure why he's been excised so thoroughly from the UC. It seems a weird decision to me. In the earlier issues, sure; but late on when it's just subscription fare, would it really have killed them to whack in those early Indigo Prime strips (Killing Time still being a standout of the Prog) or Firekind (what with the Avatar connection)? Bah. Here's hoping this is rectified somewhere between issues 81 and 90.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 October, 2018, 09:47:38 PM
its so bizarre to me that the MC has more john smith than the UC has
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: christy2002b on 03 October, 2018, 02:50:19 PM
Just purchased the DR / Skies issue direct - this only came out last week but is now listed as only one issue left in stock. I normally pick up issues  at Forbidden Planet in London but here also the staff told me this morning that they were out of stock. Anyone know why this issue is seemingly in short supply?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 October, 2018, 03:21:31 PM
Frankly, Hachette's stock levels are... odd. I bought two issues at FP listed as out of stock on Hachette's site, but they told me they had some. A couple of days later, the site changed back to showing stock. This happens quite a lot, and so their system must be a bit odd.

Also, I still have no idea if I'm subscribed again or not and no-one will tell me. Sigh
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 October, 2018, 08:59:08 PM
Made another pretty picture, this time a histogram of the page count for each volume.  These are counts of comic strip pages based on the page counts for the strips in Barney so don't include cover gallaries, articles, title pages e.t.c.

It'll be interesting to see how the 2 collections compare once the UC is complete.  The page counts on the MC are fairly tightly clustered, nearly half the books are between 180-195 but I suspect the UC might be a bit more spread out.  We've already had the shortest volume of the 2 sets with Shakara at 154 pages and the next volume of Strontium Dog could potentially be the largest depending on what they do with Rage.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 October, 2018, 09:39:47 AM
Quote from: sintec on 03 October, 2018, 08:59:08 PM
Made another pretty picture, this time a histogram of the page count for each volume.  These are counts of comic strip pages based on the page counts for the strips in Barney so don't include cover gallaries, articles, title pages e.t.c.

It'll be interesting to see how the 2 collections compare once the UC is complete.  The page counts on the MC are fairly tightly clustered, nearly half the books are between 180-195 but I suspect the UC might be a bit more spread out.  We've already had the shortest volume of the 2 sets with Shakara at 154 pages and the next volume of Strontium Dog could potentially be the largest depending on what they do with Rage.
This is sweet. I'm still frustrated by the comparison to the US comic collections, where 120 strip pages (6 issues) is the norm, but it can dip down to 5 (potentially 100 at the newer 20 page per issue standard) and the max seemingly 8 (160-176). That's barely in the bottom range of your histogram.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 October, 2018, 09:43:07 AM
That was quite a surprise for me when I got hold of the first 60 issues of the original Marvel run. 10 quid for a HB is still fairly good value, but some of those books were oddly thin, not least when you compare them to the bulk of the Dredd collection, and a good deal of what we've seen from the 2000 AD one so far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 04 October, 2018, 09:31:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 October, 2018, 03:21:31 PM
Also, I still have no idea if I'm subscribed again or not and no-one will tell me. Sigh
Well I've emailed them to say I don't want the covers special (again) & had this response today (2 weeks after my email was sent):

xxxxxxxx
Thank you for taking the time to write to us .

Subscriber Number:

Kindly be advised that we hyave cancelled your subscription and no further issues will be allocated to you.

If you require any  additional information , please feel free to contact us .

Kind regards

Lee
Customer Care
xxxxxxxx

It's not clear whether they have actually cancelled my Ultimate Collection subscription or just the covers book (which was clearly stated in my email but isn't mentioned anywhere in the response above). Based on their noted incompetence I'm concerned that it's the former rather than the latter. If anyone can confirm they've received a similar response to their request to not be sent the covers book it would be slightly reassuring at least.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 October, 2018, 09:37:01 PM
That's identical wording to the email I got when I cancelled my sub. What is the status of your account online?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 04 October, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
It still says 'running' but I assume that might not update straight away. When I emailed to cancel the first covers book the response said:
Kindly note you have been opted out from receiving the special.

Whereas this didn't mention the special at all, just the subscription. I'm wondering if they can actually be that terrible to cancel a subscription when my email clearly stated that I didn't want to receive the covers book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 04 October, 2018, 09:53:23 PM
The email also came from hachetted400cancellations@jacklinservice.com so looks they genuinely have cancelled my subscription despite the subject field & email itself clearly stating 2000AD Covers Special & the email not mentioning the words subscription or cancel once. Jesus that's ridiculous!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 October, 2018, 11:37:07 PM
Read DR and Quinch/Skizz.  I can't say I really think much of DR and Quinch, plus I would say there are some text reproduction issues, especially on the bolded words.

Skizz, I thoroughly enjoyed, the artwork was nice, very olde worlde style from a previous era of British Comics I feel, but it did mention that the artist had done work on previous older titles.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Nellgrove on 05 October, 2018, 08:15:10 AM
My September issues have still not arrived, as advised above sent a Facebook message rather than an email to ask about them. Received a reply in under 5 minutes that also completely answered my question and also gave me follow up information on my next order that I hadn't asked for. Amazing CS (which is completely at odds with the times I've emailed them)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 October, 2018, 08:35:20 AM
You got lucky. They've not even read my FB messages in a week. Clearly the prospect of £500 of business isn't that interesting to them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 05 October, 2018, 10:57:45 AM
I just got a response via Facebook:
We have reactivated your account and opted you out from receiving specials . you will get issues as normal no specials will be added or sent to you.

I only messaged them last night so pretty quick response. Still pretty amazed that they'd cancelled my subscription without being asked. I guess I now need to wait to see if they've ballsed up my subscription now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 October, 2018, 11:23:07 AM
They're so random. I wish they'd just answer me regarding whether they've reactivated my account. Gah. Glad yours got sorted at least.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 October, 2018, 09:42:44 AM
Just finished this months sub (so last months books if you're buying in the shops).  Absolutely superb from start to finish.  Strontium Dog seems to have really hit it's stride now and all 3 stories were top quality. Sinister Dexter was really fun, puntastic, violence.  It's a shame we're not getting more of this and it's a shame we're missing episodes. Although maybe part of the reason it read so well in this collection was down to the trimming of some fat, it's hard to say having not read the intervening episodes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 06 October, 2018, 10:05:13 AM
Quote from: sintec on 06 October, 2018, 09:42:44 AM
Just finished this months sub (so last months books if you're buying in the shops).  Absolutely superb from start to finish.  Strontium Dog seems to have really hit it's stride now and all 3 stories were top quality. Sinister Dexter was really fun, puntastic, violence.  It's a shame we're not getting more of this and it's a shame we're missing episodes. Although maybe part of the reason it read so well in this collection was down to the trimming of some fat, it's hard to say having not read the intervening episodes.

Might be wrong but I thought there was three Sinister Dexter books planned for the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 October, 2018, 11:28:02 AM
Quote from: moogie101 on 06 October, 2018, 10:05:13 AM
Quote from: sintec on 06 October, 2018, 09:42:44 AM
It's a shame we're not getting more of this

Might be wrong but I thought there was three Sinister Dexter books planned for the collection.

I meant more than the 3 books we are getting. On rereading my post, I have to say, I didn't express that very well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 06 October, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
Apologies if this has been asked higher up the thread, but will the Strontium Dog issues be complete (apart from the Starlord stories)?

I ask because I don't see the Gronk Affair from Progs 224 to 227 listed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 October, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 06 October, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
Apologies if this has been asked higher up the thread, but will the Strontium Dog issues be complete (apart from the Starlord stories)?

I ask because I don't see the Gronk Affair from Progs 224 to 227 listed.

I think the collection will include all SD stories from Tooth, along with complete runs of Slaine, Nemesis, ABC Warriors and Nikolai Dante.

The Gronk Affair was in SD volume 2, volume 5 of the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 06 October, 2018, 03:25:22 PM
Ok great, thanks. I am actually reading SD vol 2 right now but haven't got that far. The reason I asked was because it wasn't listed on the Wikipedia page - but that is wrong given that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 October, 2018, 05:38:45 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 06 October, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 06 October, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
Apologies if this has been asked higher up the thread, but will the Strontium Dog issues be complete (apart from the Starlord stories)?

I think the collection will include all SD stories from Tooth, along with complete runs of Slaine, Nemesis, ABC Warriors and Nikolai Dante.

SD won't quite be complete - we won't get flashback stories Roadhouse or The Tax Dodge.

ABC Warriors probably won't be complete either - I reckon we'll get up to the end of Volgan War.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: walrus on 07 October, 2018, 04:07:19 AM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 28 September, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Actually I've just read the letter & it's almost exactly the same as the previous one - i.e. contact us to cancel receiving this item you never showed any interest in the last time we sent this letter. Bit pissed off - thought they might have had a different letter for people who contacted to cancel previously asking if they'd contact if they'd changed their minds. Obviously that would be too sensible/complicated - I hope there's not a similar disaster waiting subscribers!


Hi

Has anyone got the contact details from this letter please as I still haven't received mine and would like to try to stop it, although it is probably too late now.

Thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 October, 2018, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 October, 2018, 05:38:45 PM
ABC Warriors probably won't be complete either - I reckon we'll get up to the end of Volgan War.

Interesting.  I've been doing my own speculation offline and I thought we might be able to squeeze a bit more in than that.  My guesswork:

Vol 3 (194)
Hellbringer pt 2 (48)
RoadKill (6)
The Third Element (24)
The Clone Cowboys (18)
The Tripods (18)
The Zero Option (18)
Assault On The Red House (18)
Shadow Warriors 1 (44)

Vol 4 (166)
Shadow Warriors 2 (44)
Shadow Warriors 3 (60)
Volgan War 1 (62)

Vol 5 (208)
Volgan War 2 (64)
Volgan War 3 (72)
Volgan War 4 (72)

Vol 6 (236)
Retun To Earth (74)
Return To Mars  (79)
Return To Ro-busters (83)

Admittedly those are mostly pushing the top end in terms of page counts but all of them are within the range we've already seen in the MC and UC. 

Reorganising such that Vol 4 is all of Shadow Warriors and 5 & 6 split The Volgan War material between them leaves us with some quite slim vols (vol 3 154, vol 4 148, vol 5 126, vol 6 144).  Page counts that low are outside the range of what we've previously seen in the collection, although given the above conversation they would be pretty standard for some of the other collections.

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 07 October, 2018, 12:21:04 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 06 October, 2018, 03:25:22 PM
Ok great, thanks. I am actually reading SD vol 2 right now but haven't got that far. The reason I asked was because it wasn't listed on the Wikipedia page - but that is wrong given that.

That was me, sorry. Added it now :)

If the Wikipedia editor who added another story I missed is here, then thanks to you too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 07 October, 2018, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: sintec on 07 October, 2018, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 October, 2018, 05:38:45 PM
ABC Warriors probably won't be complete either - I reckon we'll get up to the end of Volgan War.

Interesting.  I've been doing my own speculation offline and I thought we might be able to squeeze a bit more in than that.  My guesswork:

Vol 3 (194)
Hellbringer pt 2 (48)
RoadKill (6)
The Third Element (24)
The Clone Cowboys (18)
The Tripods (18)
The Zero Option (18)
Assault On The Red House (18)
Shadow Warriors 1 (44)

Vol 4 (166)
Shadow Warriors 2 (44)
Shadow Warriors 3 (60)
Volgan War 1 (62)

Vol 5 (208)
Volgan War 2 (64)
Volgan War 3 (72)
Volgan War 4 (72)

Vol 6 (236)
Retun To Earth (74)
Return To Mars  (79)
Return To Ro-busters (83)

Admittedly those are mostly pushing the top end in terms of page counts but all of them are within the range we've already seen in the MC and UC. 

Reorganising such that Vol 4 is all of Shadow Warriors and 5 & 6 split The Volgan War material between them leaves us with some quite slim vols (vol 3 154, vol 4 148, vol 5 126, vol 6 144).  Page counts that low are outside the range of what we've previously seen in the collection, although given the above conversation they would be pretty standard for some of the other collections.

Am I missing something?

Don't the hardbacks of the Volgan War contain quite a few extra pages of fight stuff?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 October, 2018, 07:16:10 PM
Quote from: BPP on 07 October, 2018, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: sintec on 07 October, 2018, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 October, 2018, 05:38:45 PM
ABC Warriors probably won't be complete either - I reckon we'll get up to the end of Volgan War.

Am I missing something?

Don't the hardbacks of the Volgan War contain quite a few extra pages of fight stuff?

That could be the thing I was missing.  Looking on Amazon the page counts for those volumes is 96 pages which is ~30 pages more for each book.  Which would probably end up looking more like:

Vol 3 (154)
Hellbringer pt 2 (48)
RoadKill (6)
The Third Element (24)
The Clone Cowboys (18)
The Tripods (18)
The Zero Option (18)
Assault On The Red House (18)

Vol 4 (148)
Shadow Warriors 1 (44)
Shadow Warriors 2 (44)
Shadow Warriors 3 (60)

Vol 5 (192)
Volgan War 1 (96)
Volgan War 2 (96)

Vol 6 (192)
Volgan War 3 (96)
Volgan War 4 (96)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 07 October, 2018, 07:28:22 PM
God two volumes for the Volgan war I know it seemed dragged out but nearly 400 pages
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 October, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
Yup, that's it. I took my nominal page-counts from the trade collections rather than the progs when I tried to work out how far the ABC books might get. In any case, there wouldn't have been room for Fallout and we've had no Red Planet Blues or Dishonourable Discharge, so a 'complete' ABCs was never too likely...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 October, 2018, 04:09:52 PM
Two replies that in theory end the saga of the presubscription. Apparently, I was reactivated on 25/9 (which happened on the day they said "we can" as opposed to "we have"), and they were shipped three days ago. I'm told my next issues will ship on the 26th, which brings me somewhere in the middle of the delivery slot. I can live with that, but OH MY GOD. Just employ an extra customer services person or two, Hachette.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Sabreman64 on 08 October, 2018, 07:40:21 PM
I think I need my head testing. In spite of the numerous problems I've had with various Hachette partwork subscriptions before (which I won't go into now - perhaps some other time), I took out a subscription to this 2000 AD collection back in April. I've had one or two minor problems so far, but I've now got a bigger problem.

About a week ago, I received my first premium figure (Nemesis). The figure arrived damaged, as you can see in these two photos:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u522/sabreman64/Nemesis%202_zpslwoglh91.png)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u522/sabreman64/Nemesis%201_zps8bzcvxd5.png)

Now I suppose I could superglue the damaged part on Nemesis's head, but since I'm paying I believe £20 for each of these figures, why should I have to do that? Can someone please give me advice on the best way to obtain a replacement figure from Hachette?

Simon
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 08 October, 2018, 07:49:18 PM
Simon private message them on Facebook is the best way to contact them when you message them give them you subscription reference
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 08 October, 2018, 11:58:40 PM
I've emailed Hachette about cancelling my subscription twice now and still no response.Ive decided to just stop the direct debit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 October, 2018, 08:56:32 AM
Try hachetted400cancellations@jacklinservice.com

I hope you're sure about this; as you can see from my posts, restarting it can be a PITA.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 10 October, 2018, 12:04:37 AM
There are some volumes I just won't read so I'm going cherry pickin.
Thanks for the email.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 October, 2018, 08:45:25 AM
If they are for sale locally, go for it. But they're not near me. I figure it's better to buy them all and sell the ones I don't want on eBay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 10 October, 2018, 11:20:19 PM
I got my latest 2 issues 2 weeks ago with the letter about the second cover book so I emailed them back the same day, now I have just got an email from them telling me that it is too late for them to not to send out the covers book even though I emailed them straight away. They also told me that I will have to send the book back to them even though it is their error
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 October, 2018, 09:39:47 AM
Quote from: rogue69 on 10 October, 2018, 11:20:19 PM
I got my latest 2 issues 2 weeks ago with the letter about the second cover book so I emailed them back the same day, now I have just got an email from them telling me that it is too late for them to not to send out the covers book even though I emailed them straight away. They also told me that I will have to send the book back to them even though it is their error
Insanity. My books aren't being allocated until tomorrow, it makes very little sense! I imagine you also opted out of the first one as well. Can you point to that as further indication you didn't want it?
There's a free post address if you do end up sending it back by the way:
Hachette Freepost
NEA 9013
Jarrow
NE32 3BR
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2018, 12:38:33 PM
rogue69: when it shows up, consider shoving it on eBay. I sold the one I had recently for 25 quid. Saves faffing about with those idiots, and you might get a bit of extra beer money.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 October, 2018, 08:32:26 PM
Man is was great to read Sinister Dexter and be reminded of how great that strip used to be. I find it borderline unreadable now, but I can't put my finger on why that is.

It's also really hit me how I loved Simon Davis's art in that period. Especially compared to Slaine now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 October, 2018, 08:34:27 PM
Just started Stront Vol.3. Odd that the intro claims that the Schiklegruber Grab is in Vol.4, when it's in Vol.1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 11 October, 2018, 08:36:34 PM
Oh wait ignore me I'm being an idiot. Vol.3 is a Stront Volume 1. Confused my little brain there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 11 October, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
Started reading the Robo Hunter book last night.  This to be honest is one of those strips that I really thing hasn't dated well.  There are other things that could have been in the collection.  Although I still think the sheer number of Slaine books is pushing it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 October, 2018, 12:51:20 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 11 October, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
Started reading the Robo Hunter book last night.  This to be honest is one of those strips that I really thing hasn't dated well.

This is the first book in the collection I'm not really looking forwards to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 12 October, 2018, 01:49:11 PM
The first one is the only one I abandoned. Came close with Ace Trucking.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 12 October, 2018, 07:35:36 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2018, 12:38:33 PM
rogue69: when it shows up, consider shoving it on eBay. I sold the one I had recently for 25 quid. Saves faffing about with those idiots, and you might get a bit of extra beer money.

Alternatively, offer it here.  In addition to the beer money it would also avoid the insanely high proportion of the costs that eBay takes.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 October, 2018, 10:41:03 PM
Fair point. I have sold a lot of stuff here in the past, but for some reason I didn't with this recent set of books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 13 October, 2018, 01:01:53 PM
As I've said on a previous page, I'll happily buy someone's spare copy of the second cover book. Because I support my local thrill merchant rather than subscribe via Hachette, they won't well me a copy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 October, 2018, 07:07:07 PM
Well I finished the second Sam Slade book.  I really can't say its a series that has dated well, the whole "Year of Song" story with Iron Aggie was particularly painful.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: gurnard on 15 October, 2018, 01:01:32 PM
I noticed that the single issues are selling out really quickly on the hatchette site recently. Do you think they are printing less extras or has it just risen in popularity?

Living abroad I just cherry pick what I want from here, works ok so far but worried I might miss out on a couple if I am not quick on the click.

https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 October, 2018, 01:12:13 PM
Their stock levels are all over the shop. One minute, the issues are out of stock, and then they're not. When 25, 26 and 28 were all showing as OOS on the website, they told me they still had stock. So who knows?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 15 October, 2018, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: gurnard on 15 October, 2018, 01:01:32 PM
I noticed that the single issues are selling out really quickly on the hatchette site recently. Do you think they are printing less extras or has it just risen in popularity?

Living abroad I just cherry pick what I want from here, works ok so far but worried I might miss out on a couple if I am not quick on the click.

https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection

It looks like they're just not printing it quickly enough, if anything maybe they're cutting back production because of low subscriber numbers. It's mostly in stock until volume 1, so I think you should be fine. If the worst happens, there's always ebay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 October, 2018, 10:13:59 PM
So, what's the next volume going to be.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 October, 2018, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 17 October, 2018, 10:13:59 PM
So, what's the next volume going to be.

[spoiler]Kingdom II[/spoiler].
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 October, 2018, 07:32:44 AM
Looks like my account finally had an update... with a 15 quid charge. So that's presumably some covers volume or other, but no actual books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 October, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 17 October, 2018, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 17 October, 2018, 10:13:59 PM
So, what's the next volume going to be.

[spoiler]Kingdom II[/spoiler].

Been waiting for this one since I finished the first volume - just a few more weeks until they start sending out the subs, sigh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 18 October, 2018, 03:12:51 PM
Not looking forward to this month's (well, to Robo-Hunter), but Kingdom 2 and Slaine 3 should be good for November.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 October, 2018, 09:15:32 AM
Forbidden Planet store now updated with some new issue details and cover art too.
Any guesses to what will be included in Slaine 4 and ABC 3 given the credit list?
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/mVVwvDWt0c7gU7I0oj30oKavA1c=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/f0/0b/751779c2ce8c006e46999f2d37b0906272c8.jpg)
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(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/xLZ31A47XLN6BCh1Fxy8AZcwNRs=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/64/b6/da298c81be34107f3d320f281a8ea6d0eee2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 24 October, 2018, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 October, 2018, 09:15:32 AM
Forbidden Planet store now updated with some new issue details and cover art too.
Any guesses to what will be included in Slaine 4 and ABC 3 given the credit list?

ABC 3 (infuriatingly) is going to be yet another split volume by the looks of it - Hellbringer part 2, Third Element and Shadow Warriors Book I for a page count of 194. It's even possible they'll chuck in Shadow Warriors Book II for a page count of about 238, still comfortably under the upper limit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 October, 2018, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 October, 2018, 09:15:32 AM
Any guesses to what will be included in Slaine 4 and ABC 3 given the credit list?

My guesses.
Issue 37 - ABC 3:
HellBringer Book II (Kevin Walker)
The Third Element and/or Assault on the Red House (Henry Flint)
The Tripods (Mike McMahon)
The Shadow Warriors Book I (Carlos Ezquerra)

Do we have precedent for some artists not getting a cover spot?
It'd seem a shame to miss out on The Clone Cowboys and The Zero Option from this era but neither Liam McCormack-Sharp or Boo Cook are mentioned.

Issue 40 - Slaine:
My speculations had this one down as covering basically the same material as the Demon Killer trade. Looks like it might actually contain stuff all the way up to Lord Of Misrule given Clint Langley's name appearing on the cover. That takes it from being one of the slimmer volumes at ~160 up to one of the larger ones at ~220.

It's also annoying to call this Volume 4. It's not, the 4th volume was The Horned God.  This is Volume 5 regardless of the fact Volume 4 was named The Horned God, surely?
I hope they fix that before print.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 October, 2018, 12:27:40 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 24 October, 2018, 12:08:22 PM
Hellbringer part 2, Third Element and Shadow Warriors Book I for a page count of 194. It's even possible they'll chuck in Shadow Warriors Book II for a page count of about 238, still comfortably under the upper limit.

Yep I think our speculation must have matched here as I had this down as 194 pages.  Squeezing in Book II would be great as that'd make it more likely we'll have space for the Return stories in later volumes.  I suspect it'll just be the first one though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 October, 2018, 01:26:52 PM
Quote from: sintec on 24 October, 2018, 12:24:27 PM
This is Volume 5 regardless of the fact Volume 4 was named The Horned God, surely?
I hope they fix that before print.
I had this marked down as being called "The High King" until I saw this image, but they have usually been accurate in the past. Might try and chase this up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 October, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
Issue 32 will be The High King but for some reason Forbidden Planet haven't got a cover image up for that one yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 October, 2018, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: sintec on 24 October, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
Issue 32 will be The High King but for some reason Forbidden Planet haven't got a cover image up for that one yet.
No, issue 32 includes "Slaine The King" but is called Volume Three.
"The High King" is the title of the first story likely included in issue 40.
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/a0c5516e-518d-4ed6-b75b-f533aad75491.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 October, 2018, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 October, 2018, 02:24:11 PM
No, issue 32 includes "Slaine The King" but is called Volume Three.
"The High King" is the title of the first story likely included in issue 40.

Doh - too many similarly named stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 October, 2018, 08:39:12 PM
My copy of Kingdom vol 2 has Slaine endpapers - anyone else?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 October, 2018, 09:18:18 PM
Well if my subscription ever turns up I'll tell you. Sounds like a line-wide error to me. Wasn't there one of those with the JDMC? Not one they reprinted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 25 October, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
29 and 30 with covers special just delivered, heads up for everyone the letter states payment collected 22nd or close to that date
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 October, 2018, 01:16:39 PM
I've no idea what they're doing with me. I had a direct debit payment on 12 October for the special, which hasn't arrived, but 29/30 have, despite no money being taken.

I'm... going to have to ask on Facebook again, aren't I?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 25 October, 2018, 02:12:47 PM
Can anyone with Kingdom Vol 2 in hand confirm the contents?  Money's a bit tight and I need help making a decision. Flippin' shrink-wrap.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 25 October, 2018, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 October, 2018, 01:16:39 PM
I'm... going to have to ask on Facebook again, aren't I?

That way madness lies, but it's still better than their incompetent, confused and contradictory telephone and email responses.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 25 October, 2018, 03:03:16 PM
Despite my reservations, I really enjoyed Sinister Dexter Volume 1.

Either it was better than I remembered, or there was a lot of crud that wasn't included, or my standards have fallen a long way in 20 years! But I'm looking forward to Volume 2.

Sadly, the second covers volume is a huge disappointment. The reproductions are smaller than volume 1's and appear to be pretty shoddy scans of random covers, with logos, text, bar codes and creases included. Nothing like the full blown unadulterated art from the previous book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 25 October, 2018, 03:43:29 PM
Yep, Slaine endpapers in my Kingdom Volume 2. What's that about, then?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 October, 2018, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 25 October, 2018, 03:43:29 PM
Yep, Slaine endpapers in my Kingdom Volume 2. What's that about, then?
The next book is Slaine. The graphic designer probably saved over the previous book's template/layout when they were putting it together.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 25 October, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Ah right, I try and avoid this thread a bit so it's a nice surprise when I pick my book up with my prog from my local thrill merchant. Stories in Kingdom 2 are His Masters Voice, Aux Drift, And Beast Of Eden. A thing of beauty it is too, except for the end covers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 25 October, 2018, 04:24:18 PM
Cheers DrRocka!  So as suspected that's everything except War in Heaven. Not at all a bad place to break it,  but very unlikely we'd get any more from Hachette, even in a putative extension volume. It does however mean that buying this and Rebellion's future Volume 4 wouldn't result in any double-dipping. Now to grub up the shekels...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 October, 2018, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 25 October, 2018, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 25 October, 2018, 03:43:29 PM
Yep, Slaine endpapers in my Kingdom Volume 2. What's that about, then?
The next book is Slaine. The graphic designer probably saved over the previous book's template/layout when they were putting it together.
This happened several times in the Dredd collection. Graphic designers: ALWAYS start from a dummy template that has massive REPLACE THIS text on any placeholders!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 25 October, 2018, 07:37:30 PM
Got a big box delivery today Robohunter vol 2 and DR & Quinch and Skizz along with the '90s covers volume. 

I don't think I've seen that DR & Quinch cover before..... I can't imagine it's new for this collection.  Anyone know where it's from? 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 25 October, 2018, 07:47:28 PM
The 2013 trade collection I think.

(https://i.imgur.com/6o9251O.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 25 October, 2018, 08:04:04 PM
Ah nice one, cheers Eamonn.

Interesting that Alan Davis drew published DR & Quinch artwork as recently as that...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 October, 2018, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: leethomson on 25 October, 2018, 03:03:16 PM
Sadly, the second covers volume is a huge disappointment. The reproductions are smaller than volume 1's and appear to be pretty shoddy scans of random covers, with logos, text, bar codes and creases included. Nothing like the full blown unadulterated art from the previous book.

There is also quite a bit of overlap with covers already reproduced in the Mega Collection. The DeMarco one and the Judgement Day one both leaped out on my first flick through but on closer inspection there are a couple more doubles.  To add insult to injury the reproductions in the Mega Collection are also full pages as opposed to the slightly shrunk versions we have here, although they do still have the logos & bar codes.  Very unimpressed, might actually have a whinge at them on FB.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 27 October, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: sintec on 27 October, 2018, 09:45:55 AM
To add insult to injury the reproductions in the Mega Collection are also full pages as opposed to the slightly shrunk versions we have here, although they do still have the logos & bar codes.  Very unimpressed, might actually have a whinge at them on FB.
To add incompetence to insult, the logos on the slipcases don't even match.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 October, 2018, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 25 October, 2018, 02:22:18 PMThat way madness lies, but it's still better than their incompetent, confused and contradictory telephone and email responses.
I wrote them a thing, and summarised it. They then ignored precisely 50 per cent of it, which was the bit about them not yet getting paid. I guess I'll give it a month and see what's going on with my bank account before contacting them again, in case they're just being hopeless at getting everything started. (Note: for people reactivating a sub, I've been told the first couple of packages are sent 'manually' and only later will the online system pick everything up, which sounds a bit weird. Either that, or – judging from what I've seen on the TF partworks page – I guess I can at some point look forward to a debt collection agency contacting me.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 October, 2018, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 27 October, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
To add incompetence to insult, the logos on the slipcases don't even match.
I hadn't noticed that (my bookshelf is overflowing thanks to my "I'll just get a few Dredd books of ebay to flesh things out" turning into a bad habit currently standing at 60 books).

Shifted things around a bit in order to put them side by side. 

Ugh well that's even more disappointing.  If this is what we can expect from the next 2 then I'm probably going to skip them as what felt like it could have been a nice addition to the collection is looking more and more like a waste of bookshelf and £s. The first one felt like an overpriced luxury, this one feels like an overpriced rip-off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 October, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
I can now confirm having gotten my hands on Slaine 3 that it and Kingdom 2 have had their endpapers flipped, so it's more likely a printer error rather than the Graphic Designer.

see my tweet here (https://twitter.com/tomwe/status/1056171752538169350)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 27 October, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 27 October, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
I can now confirm having gotten my hands on Slaine 3 that it and Kingdom 2 have had their endpapers flipped, so it's more likely a printer error rather than the Graphic Designer.

see my tweet here (https://twitter.com/tomwe/status/1056171752538169350)

Given the comments on Hachette's customer service on here, I think I'm going to suck this one up. I know that IndigoPrime has successfully arranged replacements for a number of the Dredd collection, but chances of a positive outcome here are minimal I fear.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 October, 2018, 07:27:15 PM
I got replacements mostly for damage or outright misprints, note. There were two editions that were borderline unreadable. But with the Dredd collection, there were also several issues that had similar issues (incorrect synopses on the back were fairly common), and I didn't bother swapping those out. I suspect with this run, they probably don't have any alternatives anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 27 October, 2018, 08:18:33 PM
I've emailed Hachette multiple times about the printing issue with the last Dredd book where much of the text is virtually unreadable, especially bolded text.  I've not yet received a reply, not even an acknowledgement.

Very shoddy.

So far I've not been nearly as impressed overall with the 2000ad collection as the JD one.  I'm not a Slaine fan and feel 15 books are a bit much.  I feel there could have been a greater spread on smaller series.  Personally I'd also have liked to have seen more Savage than what was printed in the original Trades as the Wiki article seems to hint at a fair amount beyond The Guv'nor book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 28 October, 2018, 02:49:23 PM
I liked DR & Quinch, the war story looks like a dry run for book 3 of Halo Jones. The agony column strips were funny, but you wouldn't really have missed them if they weren't there - I think they only put it in for the Halo Jones reference.

I guess 15 (Wikipedia says 13) books of Slaine is quite a lot, even if some of them are quite short. But then, still not as long as 3 books of Robo-Hunter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 28 October, 2018, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: athorist on 28 October, 2018, 02:49:23 PM
I liked DR & Quinch, the war story looks like a dry run for book 3 of Halo Jones. The agony column strips were funny, but you wouldn't really have missed them if they weren't there - I think they only put it in for the Halo Jones reference.

I guess 15 (Wikipedia says 13) books of Slaine is quite a lot, even if some of them are quite short. But then, still not as long as 3 books of Robo-Hunter.

Is that 13 or 15 volumes in the collection devoted to Slaine...?

Or can a number of books be contained in one volume.  Other than the McMahon and Fabry Slaine I'm not too bothered... Having to accommodate 15 or even 13 books of Slaine may mean me having to cancel my subscription...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 October, 2018, 07:54:23 PM
It will be 13 books of Slaine = there's some discussion earlier in the thread of what the contents of each book will be.  The tl;dr is pretty much everything up to the end of The Brutania Chronicles I think
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 October, 2018, 07:54:54 PM
Everything that's been confirmed for the series is outlined here, if you don't want to be surprised:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD:_The_Ultimate_Collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 30 October, 2018, 01:28:07 AM
I finished Skizz, and I think it might be my favourite Alan Moore story now.

Also finished Time Killer, that story goes on for so loooooooong
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 October, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
Quote from: athorist on 30 October, 2018, 01:28:07 AM
I finished Skizz, and I think it might be my favourite Alan Moore story now.

I always think that... and then I read Halo Jones and flip flap back and forth.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 30 October, 2018, 10:14:19 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 October, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
Quote from: athorist on 30 October, 2018, 01:28:07 AM
I finished Skizz, and I think it might be my favourite Alan Moore story now.

I always think that... and then I read Halo Jones and flip flap back and forth.

It's between DR & Quinch and The Last Rumble of the Platinum Horde for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 30 October, 2018, 11:46:33 PM
I'm afraid I'm no more a fan of DR and Quinch now than I was back then, but Skizz was damned good.

Haven't read Kingdom book 2 yet.

I still would like to see a Star Wars collection, but that won't happen I bet, especially with the RRP of most SW graphic novels.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 31 October, 2018, 01:47:52 PM
I cancelled about 2 months ago and they're still sending me books even though the direct debit is no more.Just got the Judge Death figurine
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 October, 2018, 03:23:23 PM
Skizz: was absolutely superb - definitely one of the highlights of the series so far.

D.R. & Quinch: was good silly fun. Go To Hollywood is definitely the stand out moment for me though, the other stories were good but that one stood head and shoulders above the rest.  It's a shame some of the repro was a little dark, although there was a certain irony to illegible words in speech bubbles about an illegible script.

Robo-Hunter Vol 2: this actually started out a lot better than I was expecting.  The Beast of Blackheart Manor & The Filby Case were both surprisingly alright; silly and fairly forgettable scooby-do style detective narratives with great art, I can live with that.  Killing of Kidd was ok but I was unconvinced by resurrecting Kidd as an antagonist and it didn't feel quite up to the previous to stories.  Then Football Crazy hit and for the first time in this collection I bailed on a story without finishing it, too much mildly racist stereotyping for my taste.  Skipped forward to Play it again, Sam. On the plus side it had less mild racism (at least the first couple of episodes that I read) but the constant singing started to grate very quickly.  Given the remaining page count I decided I had other things I'd rather be reading.  Much like volume 1 I doubt this'll be coming back off the shelf anytime soon.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 October, 2018, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 31 October, 2018, 01:47:52 PMI cancelled about 2 months ago and they're still sending me books even though the direct debit is no more.Just got the Judge Death figurine
Be a bit careful here. This happened to people with other collections, and they unleashed debt agencies on to them. Be sure you've 1) got the original confirmation from them that you've cancelled, and 2) keep the stuff they've sent, so you can return it (at their cost, of course).

Brilliantly, I just had a DD bounce email from Hachette. My direct debit isn't working (which I thought was the case) after rebooting the sub. The link they provide goes to their website, where there's no means to pay for what you've so far been sent. I've set up a new DD, but that'll take two weeks to kick in. Fun, fun, fun.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 31 October, 2018, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: sintec on 31 October, 2018, 03:23:23 PM
Skipped forward to Play it again, Sam. On the plus side it had less mild racism (at least the first couple of episodes that I read) but the constant singing started to grate very quickly.  Given the remaining page count I decided I had other things I'd rather be reading.  Much like volume 1 I doubt this'll be coming back off the shelf anytime soon.

Same with me, I'm afraid I more or less 'phased out' with the singing in that story.  This collection has it's highs but so far IMHO a lot less than Dredd.  Then again Dredd when it started has some real horrors as well.

Anyone know the best link to lodge a complaint as the emails I've sent to Hachette regarding a Dredd book got no reply, not even an acknowledgement.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 31 October, 2018, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: sintec on 31 October, 2018, 03:23:23 PM
Skipped forward to Play it again, Sam. On the plus side it had less mild racism (at least the first couple of episodes that I read) but the constant singing started to grate very quickly.  Given the remaining page count I decided I had other things I'd rather be reading.  Much like volume 1 I doubt this'll be coming back off the shelf anytime soon.

Same with me, I'm afraid I more or less 'phased out' with the singing in that story.

I suppose it depends how hilarious you find changing song lyrics (https://youtu.be/YJX9LV5IBZQ) to be, but this is honestly one of my favourite things Tharg's ever put his name to.

Trying to explain why something's funny is stupid*, but, assuming you want to get some value out of books you've paid for, try actually singing the songs out loud. Cracks me up every time.


* Watch me try, though. Kidd's a fantastic character; one of the great unlikeable wee shites of British fiction. The Killing Of Kidd is part trial run for PJ Maybe and part Roger Mellie/fame-era Alan Partridge
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 31 October, 2018, 11:37:38 PM
They really do have an appalling customer service department.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 November, 2018, 12:35:33 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 31 October, 2018, 11:37:38 PM
They really do have an appalling customer service department.

They HAVE a customer service department?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 November, 2018, 07:45:53 AM
I suspect it's probably two or three people. I've never managed to get through on the phone. Facebook kind of works but the response times vary from a few days to a few weeks. Responses via email are typically baffling, showing no understanding of how their own subscriptions work (such as telling me all subscriptions must start from issue one).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 November, 2018, 08:58:09 AM
Quote from: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 10:30:41 PM
Trying to explain why something's funny is stupid*, but, assuming you want to get some value out of books you've paid for, try actually singing the songs out loud. Cracks me up every time.

I often read in bed - I suspect bursting out into song won't make me overly popular with my girlfriend ;)

What's funny is definitely very subjective though - lots of people rate the musical episode of Buffy as the best thing they ever did whilst personally I can't stand it. I will give Play It Again Same another go at somepoint but I think I find Robo-Hunter best in small doses so I might come back to it later and read it episodically.  Football Crazy can get in the sea though.

Quote from: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 10:30:41 PM
* Watch me try, though. Kidd's a fantastic character; one of the great unlikeable wee shites of British fiction. The Killing Of Kidd is part trial run for PJ Maybe and part Roger Mellie/fame-era Alan Partridge

Kidd was one of the best things about Verdus and his loss and the addition of Hoagy and Stogie made Day Of The Droids much less enjoyable for me. So I do agree with you on him being a great unlikeable wee shite, I just didn't feel that story worked as well as the previous 2 in the book. Again this is totally subjective opinion and in this case i can't even really put my finger on why, maybe I was just experiencing Robo-Hunter overload by that point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 01 November, 2018, 06:11:57 PM
What a surprise, just got my latest delivery & the covers special they said it was too late to stop sending out was not in there just a letter saying it was & that they were had included it & that they had taken out the payment for it.
I've just emailed them & now just waiting their response.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 November, 2018, 07:12:16 PM
It might come separately, like mine did. I didn't even get a letter about mine, given that my sub rebooted – it was just sent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 November, 2018, 04:44:42 AM
Okay, I read Kingdom volume 2 last night and enjoyed it.  Is there going to be another volume as I get the impression that there will be.

One story I've read a bit about I wouldn't mind seeing but I don't think we'll be seeing is Jaegir.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 November, 2018, 08:40:52 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 02 November, 2018, 04:44:42 AM
Okay, I read Kingdom volume 2 last night and enjoyed it.  Is there going to be another volume as I get the impression that there will be.

The Ultimate Collection vols for Kingdom have been 3 stories each. Looking at wikipedia there is a 7th story already out there, "As it is in Heaven" and I believe the prog is currently mid way through publishing the 8th, "Alpha and Omega".  At the moment there's no 3rd volume scheduled and we'd need a 9th story to fill it.  There's been speculation about whether we might get that 3rd volume as part of an extension but that would be reliant on the 9th arc getting publlished in the prog before the end of the current 80 book run and Rebellions willingness to publish very recent material in the Collection.  I guess there's precedent with the Lawless volume from the Dredd collection so it's possible (assuming the 9th series runs within say the next year) but I wouldn't bet anything of value on it.

The good news is even if it doesn't come in the Ultimate Collection the next trade will cover arcs 7 and 8 so it'll be possible to continue the story without being forced to buy duplicate content.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 02 November, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
Does anyone know if the two volumes of 'Bad Company' in this collection will include every story so far published?
Thank you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 November, 2018, 10:06:21 PM
This isn't maybe the best place to ask, but I read that Disaster 1990 was a freebie in a Dredd Megazine.  Is anyone here willing to sell it, if they have it.  I realise it's probably nostalgia.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 November, 2018, 08:46:42 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 02 November, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
Does anyone know if the two volumes of 'Bad Company' in this collection will include every story so far published?
Thank you.

I don't think it's been confirmed either way. Adding up page counts from Barney it looks like it'd be a tight squeeze to get all of it in 2 vols but not impossible.

Vol 1 (strip count 241):
Bad Company
The Bewilderness
The Krool Heart

Vol 2 (strip count 193):
Simply
Ararat
Kano
Bad Company 2002
B.A.D. Company
First Casualties
Young Men Marching
Down Among the Dead Men

If they're going to cut anything I'd guess it'll be the short episodes from the Specials and the Megazine.  If they do that then I guess we might see The Krool Heart pushed into vol 2 giving us ~180 pages in Vol 1 and ~220 in Vol 2 and a not quite complete run.  I've not read the strip before so I've no idea how important those shorts are to continuity.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 November, 2018, 09:07:13 PM
i am more willing to bet the new stuff will be the ones cut and the krool heart will be in vol 2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 November, 2018, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: sintec on 03 November, 2018, 08:46:42 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 02 November, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
Does anyone know if the two volumes of 'Bad Company' in this collection will include every story so far published?
Thank you.
.

Vol 1 (strip count 241):
Bad Company
The Bewilderness
The Krool Heart

Vol 2 (strip count 193):
Simply
Ararat
Kano
Bad Company 2002
B.A.D. Company
First Casualties
Young Men Marching
Down Among the Dead Men

If they're going to cut anything I'd guess it'll be the short episodes from the Specials and the Megazine.  If they do that then I guess we might see The Krool Heart pushed into vol 2 giving us ~180 pages in Vol 1 and ~220 in Vol 2 and a not quite complete run.  I've not read the strip before so I've no idea how important those shorts are to continuity.

Your order's a bit all over the place, there - 'Simply' is set during the original run, and 'Young Men Marching' is a prequel to it. Both short but excellent stories. 'B.A.D. Company' is the original Dreddworld-set pilot; I'd be very surprised if that's included at all. The rest of your volume 2 contents are of... well, questionable quality. Personally I'd be perfectly happy for volume 1 to end with 'The Krool Heart' so that I can call the story done and not have to bother with volume 2!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 04 November, 2018, 12:43:29 PM
Hi all

After being away from the scene for a year due to illness, I was just wondering:

Are the issues showing per the Hatchette website as "out of stock" ever going to come back into print?

And, is it possible to subscribe per the website for more than one copy of each issue going forward (one copy for a friend?)

Any help much appreciated, chaps!

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 November, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 03 November, 2018, 09:29:16 PM
Your order's a bit all over the place, there

So it is - and looking at my spreadsheet I've clearly got a bug in the script that built the list which has lead to the weird ordering.  Will have to investigate that when I've got a bit of spare time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2018, 04:10:13 PM
Karlos: hard to know about restocks, but I suspect it's unlikely for older stuff. Stock levels for more recent issues aren't always accurate. Send them a Facebook message to see what the current status is. For older issues, you should check out Facebook Marketplace as well as eBay. Some people are starting to offload collections. (No idea about multiple subs, but I can't imagine why they wouldn't.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 04 November, 2018, 06:20:44 PM
Will do, IndigoPrime - thanks a million!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 04 November, 2018, 06:39:41 PM
I think some of the out of stock is due to subscriptions being on different schedules. I'm a month behind everyone (most) here and am sure others are behind me. Marking those as out of stock till the last subscriber has got theirs makes some degree of sense.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 07 November, 2018, 07:37:10 AM
The Hachette site is showing the cover of Bad Company volume 1, it's the Brendan McCarthy pin-up of Kano which I think first appeared during the Bewilderness run.



Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 November, 2018, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 07 November, 2018, 07:37:10 AM
The Hachette site is showing the cover of Bad Company volume 1, it's the Brendan McCarthy pin-up of Kano which I think first appeared during the Bewilderness run.
It's a great image!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 November, 2018, 12:21:05 PM
Well, Slaine 3 is a great volume. Only a few negatives compared to the very similar Rebellion edition, and neither as bad as that annoyingly ballsed-up endpaper - the last page of The Killing Field is not in colour, and the Tomb of Terror RPG bits aren't included. I think that's a crying shame - when I read ToT for the first time I played the relevant RPG page after each episode, and it was HUGE fun, really adding extra dimensions to the story. It doesn't bode well for the inclusion of either of the Nemesis Diceman episodes.

It's great material though - Slaine the King is probably my favourite run of the character, even edging out Sky Chariots. Fabry is just on fire, there's a great supporting cast for Slaine and Ukko to bounce off, there's snappy and genuinely funny dialogue throughout*, Nest is cute and spunky, Niamh makes a massive impression in a relatively small pagecount with her no-nonsense attitude, and the Land of the Young has never felt so fully realised. It's a shame Murdach and Slaine don't get much time to interact in ToT; their banter during Time Killer was great, and it's a surprise that we never see him again. Niamh's introduction more than makes up for that, though, and the narrative feels really energised going forward from the Time Killer stuff.

*Favourite bit - Slaine and co find a keg of beer on their slog through the Tomb, and immediately sack off the quest to have a booze. Myrddin splutters 'May I remind you that we are engaged on a mission of vital importance to save all life on Earth?' 'You may,' says Slaine, lifting his tankard. 'Cheers.'
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 07 November, 2018, 01:09:49 PM
100% in agreement, DarkJimbo - my all-time fave period of Slaine, hands down.

Shame about the RPG pages - not surprised, but still, that was huge fun back in the day and was looking forward to having another go!

Maybe I need to track down the Best of 2000ad monthlies!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 07 November, 2018, 11:06:58 PM
there's a copy of the Slaine Gaming book on eBay at the moment, bids starting at just £2.82 or another one at £10
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 November, 2018, 11:41:36 PM
I can't say I'm looking forward to reading this.  I wish there had been a way to do a standing order at my newsagents and skip the Slaine books, but I held out thinking I might get to like it.  Of course I might like this one.  Nikolai Dante started out a bit middling if still decent and in the last book has really shot up in quality.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 08 November, 2018, 08:52:34 AM
It's fair to say that in marked contrast to Dante the quality in Slaine is heavily frontloaded - if you don't like Warrior's Dawn, The Horned God and this volume, and maybe some of the next one, I wouldn't be too optimistic about enjoying the next 8-or-whatever.

Personally I think there's at least some good stuff in all of them, but I'd consider myself a huge fan of Pat and his Slaine in particular (remarkably it's the only long-running 2000AD series for which I have bought all the collections, barring the most recent,  which I'll get to when circumstances permit). The less ardent, or forgiving, reader may not feel the same way.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 November, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
Sláine is very variable. Although the Tomb stuff was middling for me, I thought it was mostly a run of greatness through Horned God. When we got Sláine and his grassy TARDIS, the strips were all over the place, culminating in some fairly poor content. The Books of Invasions, though, were a big step up, despite a few moments that I could have done without (such as [spoiler]Niamh's fate, which was basically a fridging moment that trampled all over the character in a hideous way that made me feel sick that 2000 AD had gone down that route[/spoiler]). Brutania didn't really work for me, though, bar the excellent and bonkers first book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 08 November, 2018, 10:04:34 AM
I'm prepared to be told I'm wrong on this but I recall an interview with Pat where he referenced that the details of Niamh's fate were dictated by Cyber-Matt. A rare mis-step IMO.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 08 November, 2018, 10:28:06 AM
Pat says a lot of things!  I'd be more inclined to believe Pat's innocence if a similar device wasn't used in Savage with [spoiler]the rape of Bill's niece[/spoiler] a few years later.  It was a disastrous move whoever was responsible, because otherwise BoI really stands out as a fantastically sustained piece of work. [spoiler]Niamh's fate[/spoiler] just sits there like a stain on the whole thing.

IP – spoiler tags added
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 November, 2018, 10:43:19 AM
It wasn't Pat who said it - it was Cyber-Matt himself, on this very forum -

https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=3957.0

I'd cut and paste the relevant bit, but I can't spoiler-tag the quoted post for some reason and this is HUGE spoiler territory. Speaking of which, can a Mod perhaps spoiler Tord's post...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 08 November, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Oops,  yeah,  sorry double apology due from me!  Good on Matt for putting his hand up to that one, I'm very sorry for doubting Pat. And apologies to all for the spoiler - at 15 years remove it's hard to remember that some squaxx will be reading this for the first time in the Mega Collection next year.

EDIT: That wasn't a very edifying thread back there in 2003, was it? Surprised to find I wasn't in there making it even worse,  TBH.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 November, 2018, 11:12:29 AM
Aaaaaanyway... to get back on track, it's hard to disagree with Tordelback here -

Quote from: TordelBack on 08 November, 2018, 08:52:34 AM
It's fair to say that in marked contrast to Dante the quality in Slaine is heavily frontloaded - if you don't like Warrior's Dawn, The Horned God and this volume, and maybe some of the next one, I wouldn't be too optimistic about enjoying the next 8-or-whatever.

Arguably Slaine's best stuff is in volume 1, 3 and 4. We then get a very divisive/variable period until more or less getting back on track with the Books of Invasion (which we'll see in something like volumes 8-10 I think?) which ties up pretty much every loose end and subplot and give the series a wonderful, and rather elegiac, ending. Except of course that it didn't end there but carried on, with variable quality once again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 November, 2018, 12:58:03 PM
Is there enough space in 13 volumes to collect all of Slaine to date, including The Brutania Chronicles?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 November, 2018, 01:34:20 PM
Well, we know so far that we've had four books that takes us through to the end of Horned God, and Matt said the ideal page counts for this series are 200–250 per volume – so space for under (given issues with spreads, etc.) 1800–2250 pages of strip. Rebellion's existing books are: Demon Killler (160); Lord of Misrule (128); Treasures of Britain (128); Grail War (192); Lord of the Beasts (256); Books of Invasions 1–3 + The Wanderer (112; 112; 128; 128); Scars (~45 pages of strip); Brutania 1–4 (~112ea).

That lot clocks in at just over 1800 pages. So there is technically space within the format for everything we've seen to date. Quite which versions we will get, who knows? After all the Rebellion hardbacks were kind of director's cuts, rather than the original Prog content. Remove those extras and you claw back some double-page spreads that might be necessary for a coherent running order (rather than slicing series in half, like with Black Hole in the ABC Warriors books).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 08 November, 2018, 03:39:57 PM
I've failed you all. I can't go on. It's not you, it's me. Thirty issues in I've stopped subscribing to the Ultimate Collection. I'll always have the Nemesis statuette and the surprisingly nice metal bookends. I bought all 90 issues of the MegaCollection but this can't go on. I thought the pairing of DR & Quinch with Skizz was inspired, but my heart's not in it anymore. Where would the new shelf go? Like the old shelf would it need to be extended after 80? Think of the Marvel collection, what if this series never ends? Maybe I'll be back. I'll still pick up the 4th Nemesis volume, and Dante of course. The complete Durham Red as well. Maybe it's a reflection on the stunning quality of the weekly. New thrills that's the thing. I've just ordered the signed "Hope" from Gosh comics. Tharg is going to get my cash, but I'll save it for the newer stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 November, 2018, 06:29:39 PM
Thanks for the Slaine breakdown. I was wondering about the first two Books of Invasion I have, it looks possible there'll be material in those which will be omitted from the UC. We will see.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 November, 2018, 08:38:07 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 08 November, 2018, 03:39:57 PM
I've failed you all.
Aw, you'll be missed Rob!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 November, 2018, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 08 November, 2018, 03:39:57 PMI've stopped subscribing to the Ultimate Collection
I lasted about three months. It'll be interesting to see if you stick this out. (Mind you, nowhere nearby sells the bloody things, which is why I resubscribed. I'm now offloading the volumes I don't want on eBay, and know full well I'll end up keeping more than planned. _Sigh_.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 09 November, 2018, 07:51:37 AM
Think the way forward for me is to cherry pick and pre-order the volumes I want from Forbidden Planet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 09 November, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
What volumes don't people want? I think the whole thing is damm near flawless. Yes some Slaine might be less than stellar but so much of it is great that I'd indulge what misses.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 November, 2018, 09:15:48 PM
I've sold off things I have in formats I'm happier with (ABC Warriors), or content with (Robo-Hunter; Rogue). I'm mostly upgrading favourites (Dante; Nemesis; Strontium Dog) or grabbing sets of things I don't yet own in collected form.

As for Slaine, I could easily skip from Horned God to Invasions. As it is, I'll likely sell every post-HG book because I already have the large HCs of Invasions anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 09 November, 2018, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: BPP on 09 November, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
What volumes don't people want? I think the whole thing is damm near flawless. Yes some Slaine might be less than stellar but so much of it is great that I'd indulge what misses.
Hm... collections they already have, for one thing?

Quite enjoying the cherry-picking exercise myself. A quick check and it seems I'm batting 16 of 32. Dipping in more than I expected, and that includes the Moore books - I just buckled... :-)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 09 November, 2018, 11:12:03 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 09 November, 2018, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: BPP on 09 November, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
What volumes don't people want? I think the whole thing is damm near flawless. Yes some Slaine might be less than stellar but so much of it is great that I'd indulge what misses.
Hm... collections they already have, for one thing?

Quite enjoying the cherry-picking exercise myself. A quick check and it seems I'm batting 16 of 32. Dipping in more than I expected, and that includes the Moore books - I just buckled... :-)

Hm.... like most of us have multiple reprints of 75% of this stuff but for me the hardback nature makes these superior to phonebooks and standard repo. Sure some stuff like the oversized Slaine and ABC Warriors might be 'better' but likely that's a small few things. Repo and completeness does come into it but I'm more likely to sell my phonebooks (or give them away) and keep the hardbacks. Just my view, there is no right answer but if 'stuff we already have' was criteria sales would be slim.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 10 November, 2018, 05:12:05 AM
Quote from: BPP on 09 November, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
What volumes don't people want? I think the whole thing is damm near flawless. Yes some Slaine might be less than stellar but so much of it is great that I'd indulge what misses.

Speaking as a lapsed reader who stopped back in the early nineties so far the only books I haven't really enjoyed are the robohunter books. Everything else has been great.

A great selection of old and new, my only concern is no zenith scheduled for the 80 books which seems a huge oversight.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 November, 2018, 09:54:34 AM
the lack of john smith is the only thing annoying me
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 November, 2018, 10:27:52 AM
Given that you can still get all of Zenith in hardback, I'm not sure it really needs to be in the UC. But, yeah, the lack of John Smith is a major omission. As I've said before, at the very least a Leatherjack/Firekind combo would have been a great inclusion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pale fire on 10 November, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Quote from: moogie101 on 10 November, 2018, 05:12:05 AM
Quote from: BPP on 09 November, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
What volumes don't people want? I think the whole thing is damm near flawless. Yes some Slaine might be less than stellar but so much of it is great that I'd indulge what misses.

Speaking as a lapsed reader who stopped back in the early nineties so far the only books I haven't really enjoyed are the robohunter books. Everything else has been great.

A great selection of old and new, my only concern is no zenith scheduled for the 80 books which seems a huge oversight.

As a completely new reader to it all, I've been quite fascinated by the reviews in this forum of stuff as it comes and goes. I bought the first 20 odd volumes at the local newsagent until they stopped stocking it, and after struggling to find anywhere else that had it in the city I took out a subscription....

Much like the standard stories this has proved to be far from simple. But keeping things calm and polite (via Facebook and email) seems to have resolved all the issues (at the moment). I suspect that hachette's systems are crocked as it looks like even simple amendments to a subscription are wildly complicated at their end. Aaaaanyway. The only shame of it is that I'm now around a month or two behind, so just finishing up Sinister dexter and waiting to unwrap the next Srontium dog.

For the most part I'd say the 'classic' stories are pulpy fun, but it's the newer stuff that has kept me around.

I'm enjoying sindex, though it's quite uneven. Dante, Kingdom, shakara have all been particular highlights.

I think I enjoy early stront more than the recent ones, nemesis is one of my least favourites. Its distinctive and memorable certainly, but some bits feel a bit of a slog.

In all, I like the books which are doing something other than hinging around future war (and so, to be honest, I find the plunge by Dante into the bleaker war stuff a bit of a shame). Halo Jones was great, meltdown man fun and ace trucking nifty for some tonal variety.

Slaine and abc are interesting in terms of the artwork a little uneven storytelling wise but breezy enough.

Overall, I've really enjoyed these regular slices of pulpy fun and will likely stick with the whole run. For a tenner a pop these are superb value for money and minor repro quibbles aside are a great way to gain an intro into the 2000ad back catalogue.

While I waited for the subscription to be sorted I bought a few of the judge dredd collection cheap at the market. They were pretty decent too, although I've got to say it's the variety in this one I'm enjoying.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 November, 2018, 01:42:37 PM
Really enjoyed the second Kingdom volume. I came back to the prog with 1900 so half of this I have read before but at the time I had no context. It is much clearer now! I'll be right back to the progs for the next story too. A shame they had to stop it here but I'm sure there will be a third book if there's an extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 November, 2018, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: Pale fire on 10 November, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
As a completely new reader to it all...

So Pale fire when you say new are you saying that the Ultimate collection is your first exposure to 2000ad. If so that's cool. Do you mind me asking what made you give it a whirl.

Be interesting to know if others have been drawn to Tharg's bosum by this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 10 November, 2018, 06:32:19 PM
I started reading 2000AD from Prog 1987 (saw the Future Shock documentary on Film4), so still relatively new - I've read the Dredd casefiles up to 16 and all the Judge Anderson volumes.

The only real disappointment so far was Robo-Hunter. Really glad I liked Nikolai Dante (considering there's 9 books), not so much vol 2 because it felt a bit more episodic, but vol 3 was amazing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 10 November, 2018, 08:56:01 PM
I had a look on the hachett website just the other day and was a bit shocked at how many are out of stock or down to very few numbers.

I can understand this with the earlier issues, but relatively recent issues were sold out too. I wonder if they underestimated the appeal. Hopefully they'll produce more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 November, 2018, 10:50:10 PM
Still not a huge fan of Slaine, but this volume seemed a lot more enjoyable.  Only thing is that the dungeon crawl story seemed to suddenly want to kill off a bunch of characters rather quickly, but then again high body counts are part of Slaine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pale fire on 10 November, 2018, 11:19:21 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 10 November, 2018, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: Pale fire on 10 November, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
As a completely new reader to it all...

So Pale fire when you say new are you saying that the Ultimate collection is your first exposure to 2000ad. If so that's cool. Do you mind me asking what made you give it a whirl.

Be interesting to know if others have been drawn to Tharg's bosum by this collection.

I'm an avid reader and had only dabbled a bit in graphic novels (maus, Palestine, Chris Ware). Chatting with a buddy from Poland who is a huge judge dredd fan piqued my interest. I flicked through a prog in Smiths, brass sun caught my eye, but the episodic nature of it all put me off (I already have too many subscriptions).

A year or so passed and I saw issue 1 of this for a couple of quid and thought I'd give it a go. The artwork in that slaine volume really impressed me. Went to pick up a parcel and the local postie had halo Jones in, so I picked that up. Twas probably that (clever storytelling, unusual angle) and Shakara (just visceral) which hooked me in more fully.

I've lent out copies to lapsed reader friends who have enjoyed the trip down memory lane (always Nemesis they want to borrow).

I'd say that I've been particularly impressed by the curation of this collection, the mix of stuff has been good and the alternating generally between newer stuff and old classics has been neatly done. It's a really nice way of getting a slice of the 2000ad back catalogue. I doubt I'd have wandered into forbidden planet and picked up volume 1 of any of these in trade. Partly cos they're more expensive, but also because, if I'd picked up say, volume 1 of slaine I doubt I'd have read on, but doing it as part this collection seems less onerous somehow.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 10 November, 2018, 11:57:37 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 10 November, 2018, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: Pale fire on 10 November, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
As a completely new reader to it all...

So Pale fire when you say new are you saying that the Ultimate collection is your first exposure to 2000ad. If so that's cool. Do you mind me asking what made you give it a whirl.

Be interesting to know if others have been drawn to Tharg's bosum by this collection.

I'm another new reader, was drawn into 2000AD by the 2012 Dredd movie and the occasional Dredd/Stront GN found in charity shops. Fast forward to Hachette's Mega Collection and I was hooked. Jumped onto the Ultimate Collection as soon as it was available and began subscribing to both the prog and megazine with 2073 jump on issue.

It's been great experiencing all these stories for the first time aside from some meh material like Robo-Hunter and stuff like Nemesis and Nikolai Dante have become some of my favourite comics.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 November, 2018, 07:01:18 AM
That's really good to know that folks are using the Ultimate Collection to spring board into 2000ad and I was wondering if folks who where into Dredd and had picked up wider 2000ad stuff in a more 'managable' way than just plunging into the Prog... though I still stand by the fact this is they way to do, I'm not really one to speak on that!

So great to know this is working as a way for Tharg to get his mucky mits on more fresh blood.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 November, 2018, 11:47:24 AM
I'm another new reader - read a few bits from a band mates prog back in the 90s but never enough to convince me to jump on board.  A good friend has been telling me for years that I should read Strontium Dog and this seemed like a really good opportunity to catch up on that and all the other stuff I'd missed. It has since become a bit of an obsession.

Bought my first prog and megazine at the airport last month and I suspect that may turn into a sub at some point in the near future.  Probably around the time I stop splurging money on the Dredd hardbacks on ebay which can't be far off as there's only a couple left that I really care about.  Some of the Dredd books seem to be getting scarce now though and prices have started to spike, particularly for stuff late in the run.  Saw Blood Of Emeralds, Served Cold, and Fallen Angels go for £20-£30 each the other day and quite a few others from issue 70+ are now hitting the £15+ price fairly regularly).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 11 November, 2018, 12:51:12 PM
I got back into Tooth after almost 20 years away when the Dredd collection launched. I've bought the occasional prog since, but have been mostly focusing on collections of stories that haven't or won't be appearing in the Dredd or Ultimate series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 13 November, 2018, 02:04:30 AM
I used to be an avid 2000AD reader back in the early/mid 90's thanks to Dredd but I drifted off after a couple of years but as soon as I saw this I jumped at the chance and I've loved a lot of the output.

I found the first half of Robo-hunter dull (Loved the second half though) and I thought Meltdown man went on too long (I did enjoy it though) but everything else I've really enjoyed.

I hope we see Mambo make an appearance in this collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Sabreman64 on 13 November, 2018, 01:15:51 PM
After my post on the 8th October about my damaged Nemesis figure, I sent a private message on Facebook to Hachette. To my surprise, they replied the next day (my previous private messages to Hachette were replied to after several days or well over a week). Hachette told me that a replacement figure had been posted and I should receive it within 7 to 14 working days. However, that time has passed and I have received no replacement figure. What should I do now? Wait another week or two for the figure to arrive, or contact Hachette again about it?

One other thing: I'd like to change my delivery address for the collection from my work address to my home address. I don't trust Hachette to deliver to my work address. The Hachette website says changes to delivery address should be done by contacting customer "services" by phone. I'd rather not phone Hachette unless it's a last resort. When I've phoned Hachette before, it was a very bad phone line and I had a lot of difficulty in hearing the phone operator (my hearing is fine). Do you think they would accept a change of delivery address if I contact them via Facebook? (My home address is my billing address, which should simplify matters.)

Simon
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 November, 2018, 01:38:29 PM
Ask them via Facebook first, for sure. On the replacement figure, if you've already hit 14 working days, I'd flag this with them right now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 13 November, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
Anyone else have a payment taken on their account last week but not have the account details updated to show the next 2 books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 November, 2018, 10:18:53 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 13 November, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
Anyone else have a payment taken on their account last week but not have the account details updated to show the next 2 books?
If you mean the Hachette account page lists a payment but no books (like it used to do before the Special mess) then yeah me too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 14 November, 2018, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 13 November, 2018, 10:18:53 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 13 November, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
Anyone else have a payment taken on their account last week but not have the account details updated to show the next 2 books?
If you mean the Hachette account page lists a payment but no books (like it used to do before the Special mess) then yeah me too.

Yes, that's what I meant.  Put far more eloquently than I managed!  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Sabreman64 on 14 November, 2018, 12:13:21 PM
Oh, this is stupid. I've just had a look at my online Hachette/2000 AD Ultimate Collection account. The delivery address given is my home address, which is wrong since it's my work address they actually deliver to. Hachette are a bunch of numpties. So, I have to request a replacement for the replacement Nemesis figure that didn't arrive. And I have to change my delivery address to my home address, despite the fact that my online account states (incorrectly) that my delivery address is my home address. What a mess. ::)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 November, 2018, 03:43:03 PM
It's confirmed - Bad Company and The Bewilderness in BC v1. Was expecting that, but really hoping it wouldn't happen. I'm conflicted about springing for v2 just for the sake of Krool Heart...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 November, 2018, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 14 November, 2018, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 13 November, 2018, 10:18:53 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 13 November, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
Anyone else have a payment taken on their account last week but not have the account details updated to show the next 2 books?
If you mean the Hachette account page lists a payment but no books (like it used to do before the Special mess) then yeah me too.

Yes, that's what I meant.  Put far more eloquently than I managed!  Thanks.
That page now looks like this:
09 November 2018   Credit Card Payment - Thank you   -19.98
09 November 2018   [strangely absent vol number]              9.99
09 November 2018   [strangely absent vol number]              9.99
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 16 November, 2018, 11:23:22 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 November, 2018, 10:27:52 AM
Given that you can still get all of Zenith in hardback, I'm not sure it really needs to be in the UC. But, yeah, the lack of John Smith is a major omission. As I've said before, at the very least a Leatherjack/Firekind combo would have been a great inclusion.


Maybe it's being saved for the continuation?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 16 November, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
Quote from: Pale fire on 10 November, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
I think I enjoy early stront more than the recent ones, nemesis is one of my least favourites. Its distinctive and memorable certainly, but some bits feel a bit of a slog.
As a matter of interest, which bits of Nemesis did you find a slog?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 November, 2018, 11:31:25 AM
I dunno. If there is a continuation (and I very much hope there is), it'll be a very interesting collection at that point, on the basis that it'll lose some of the heavy hitters (by then, there's no classic Rogue, Strontium Dog, Nikolai Dante, Nemesis and ABC Warriors – and probably little to no Sláine) but could conceivably start running more Dredd again. And you'd still have Kingdom, possibly some Meg series that are ongoing (Lawless, say), classic thrills like VCs, gap plugs (I wouldn't want all of Fr1day, but War Machine and a best-of would be great; see also: Strontium Dogs), Armoured Gideon (yes, I know), Brass Sun, Flesh, Indigo Prime, Necronauts, Zaucer of Zilk, Zenith, Fiends of the Eastern Front, Age of the Wolf, Firekind, Firekind, Firekind, and Firekind. Ahem.

I guess a combination of sales and willingness from Rebellion will be key here, but it'd be a crying shame to stop this series at 80, when there's so much great stuff it could get out into the world (most of which doesn't exist in hardback, and some of which is unlikely to ever be collected in trade form).

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 November, 2018, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 November, 2018, 11:31:25 AM
...Kingdom, possibly some Meg series that are ongoing (Lawless, say), classic thrills like VCs, gap plugs (I wouldn't want all of Fr1day, but War Machine and a best-of would be great; see also: Strontium Dogs), Armoured Gideon (yes, I know), Brass Sun, Flesh, Indigo Prime, Necronauts, Zaucer of Zilk, Zenith, Fiends of the Eastern Front, Age of the Wolf, Firekind...

...Brink, Ten Seconders, Absalom, the last three Strontium Dog series, Damnation Station, Storming Heaven/From Grace, Defoe, Leviathan, Red Seas, Atavar, Jaegir, more Savage, Grey Area... Another 20 books there, easy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 November, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 November, 2018, 11:43:38 AM
...Brink, Ten Seconders, Absalom, the last three Strontium Dog series, Damnation Station, Storming Heaven/From Grace, Defoe, Leviathan, Red Seas, Atavar, Jaegir, more Savage, Grey Area... Another 20 books there, easy.
Count me in!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 16 November, 2018, 11:53:21 AM
Mambo!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 November, 2018, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 November, 2018, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 November, 2018, 11:31:25 AM
...Kingdom, possibly some Meg series that are ongoing (Lawless, say), classic thrills like VCs, gap plugs (I wouldn't want all of Fr1day, but War Machine and a best-of would be great; see also: Strontium Dogs), Armoured Gideon (yes, I know), Brass Sun, Flesh, Indigo Prime, Necronauts, Zaucer of Zilk, Zenith, Fiends of the Eastern Front, Age of the Wolf, Firekind...

...Brink, Ten Seconders, Absalom, the last three Strontium Dog series, Damnation Station, Storming Heaven/From Grace, Defoe, Leviathan, Red Seas, Atavar, Jaegir, more Savage, Grey Area... Another 20 books there, easy.

Bix Barton, Revere, Cradlegrave, The Dead, Mazeworld, Ro-Busters, and another vote from me for Armoured Gideon.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 16 November, 2018, 01:21:37 PM
How about some Red Seas. That would fill 3 books
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2018, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 16 November, 2018, 01:21:37 PM
How about some Red Seas. That would fill 3 books

I'd bet very happy with that. The only issues of this I'm picking up are the Dante ones so I can have a lovely hardcover collection of that glorious classic.

I'd love to have the same for Red Seas.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 17 November, 2018, 12:24:57 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2018, 04:58:22 PMThe only issues of this I'm picking up are the Dante ones so I can have a lovely hardcover collection of that glorious classic.

I'd love to have the same for Red Seas.

Gods yes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 November, 2018, 11:26:21 PM
What is Red Seas, and I'd like to see Leviathan as it was available easily for a short time as a trade but I missed out on it.

I guess with Rogue Trooper we're only going up till the 6 books that were originally printed on trade pre phonebook editions.  Namely the end of the Re-Gene trade?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 18 November, 2018, 02:42:04 AM
I was hoping that Brass Sun wouldn't be in it, because, errr, that's why I bought the HB.  :)

Although I didn't know about book 4, which doesn't seem to be available. So if they did two volumes, that wouldn't be too bad.

Also I had the same problems with this months payment on the account, it sorted itself out a few days ago. I think they probably sent the message about the direct debit payment too early.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pale fire on 18 November, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 November, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
Quote from: Pale fire on 10 November, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
I think I enjoy early stront more than the recent ones, nemesis is one of my least favourites. Its distinctive and memorable certainly, but some bits feel a bit of a slog.
As a matter of interest, which bits of Nemesis did you find a slog?

Just went back and had a flick through to remind myself of what came when.

I'd say that book one is a bit uneven,  books two and three are pretty good and the pantomime villain aspect of torqemada is both offset and made more creepy by o'neill's artwork.

So, that's volume one, which I probably found a bit middling because of the slow start and having been blown away by slaine, halo Jones, shakara (and then kingdom followed shortly afterwards...).

Onto volume 2.
I like the abc warriors in this, (maybe more so than in some of their own adventures) books 4 and 5 go along at a decent clip, Talbot does a good job with a decent story and book six is probably my favorite bit of the saga so far.
So volume 2 seemed nifty, if a little disjointed because of how it interleaves with the ABC stuff.

Volume 3 is, for me, where it properly starts to unravel.
Torqemada the god, with o'neill's art is glorious.

Then there's the photo story.
Moving on.

Book 7, by now the story seems to be getting stretched. With each reappearance of torq he gets less interesting. I'm not keen on John hinkelstons art in this. The drawing is impressive, but it shifts the tone decisively away from the weird and the intricate and firmly into body horror territory. Which I don't think plays to the series strong suit. Nevertheless, the meeting of the two torqs is interesting.

Purity:'s story has a decent plot, but could maybe have used weirder artwork.

By the time we hit deathbringer I'm not really on board with the story or the artwork.

I like it when series try to do different things, the tonal shift in, for example Dante in the second and third volumes is neatly done and while I prefer the earlier art and tone to the gloomy war stuff in that, it does at least keep the interest up and grow the story.

With nemesis, it feels the reverse, tonally it does something different, but somehow diminishes what went before.

But then the high watermark for nemesis was lower for me too. I'm not sure that the family side of the nemesis stuff was ever really earned (I can't say that the Thoth sideplot really grabbed me, as there didn't seem to be much connection between him and his father, and the threat posed (maybe knowing that there's more books to come robs it of its power) while being written big, never seemed to bite.

If this makes it sound like I hated it all, then that's not right. The strip is very memorable. As a new reader some bits were really gripping. But, for me, I think it falls between two stools, it's grander themes don't really lend themselves to the pulp like nature of the structure they're being delivered in. So the continual reappearance of the baddy feels more like 80s era "the master" in Dr who.

Does volume 4 finish the series in style/on a high?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tombo on 18 November, 2018, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 17 November, 2018, 11:26:21 PM
What is Red Seas

Red Seas was a pirate/supernatural/horror story starting in 2002 (before Pirates of the Caribbean came out) that started with a pirate crew thwarting a mad sorcerers attempts to kill god and then making their way through a whole series of myths and legends (Laputa, Aladdin, North American Vikings, Valhalla, Hollow Earth) before sort of fizzling out and ending without really wrapping up the story.

Still a good series though and deffo deserving a place in the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 18 November, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
I sort of disagree. For my money Red Seas did wrap up the main story, in rather spectacular style, but it left a good few threads hanging (mainly rather good character stuff, unfortunately). I seem to remember that people felt it had sprawled too far and was dragging on, and perhaps Edginton and Yeowell's enthusiasm was flagging, but I believe Tharg may have had a hand in speeding its conclusion (see also: Greysuit). 

Interestingly it's still one of relatively few Edginton 2000AD stories to have a definite end, and certainly the only long-running one.  It remains a very enjoyable read, with some terrific imagery, especially around the Hollow Earth and Valhalla periods.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 November, 2018, 02:41:32 PM
I really need to get around to reading Red Seas from start to finish, in one block. I always got the impression it would read well in that way, and that the big gaps between series did it no favours.

@Pale fire: You ask about Nemesis ending on a high. Hard to tell what you'll think, given that your opinions of the strip in general differ from mine. (I thought the first series was superb and weird, and that first collection is an unparalleled high point.) Personally, I think it ended quite well, even if the spark had somewhat gone by that point. I'm not sure we then needed the epilogue, Tubular Hells, which [spoiler]took the sting out of the original conclusion, by basically leaving Torquemada in a kind of hell, but not Nemesis. Frankly, Nemesis deserved what he got, although I always felt sorry for poor old Seth[/spoiler].

Interesting to think that a few years later, we'd get Shakara, which had a similar anarchic feel to those early Nemesis strips – and the same kind of energy – but didn't get hung up on the stodgy politics of the later Nemesis series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 18 November, 2018, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Pale fire on 18 November, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 November, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
Quote from: Pale fire on 10 November, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
I think I enjoy early stront more than the recent ones, nemesis is one of my least favourites. Its distinctive and memorable certainly, but some bits feel a bit of a slog.
As a matter of interest, which bits of Nemesis did you find a slog?

Just went back and had a flick through to remind myself of what came when.

I'd say that book one is a bit uneven,  books two and three are pretty good and the pantomime villain aspect of torqemada is both offset and made more creepy by o'neill's artwork.

So, that's volume one, which I probably found a bit middling because of the slow start...

Wow...just shows people have completely different tastes...I rate Nemesis Book1 as a high point in the whole of 2000AD history, as are Comic Rock and Killer Watt. Those opening few episodes before Nemesis appears are all great IMO.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 November, 2018, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 18 November, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
I sort of disagree. For my money Red Seas did wrap up the main story, in rather spectacular style, but it left a good few threads hanging (mainly rather good character stuff, unfortunately). I seem to remember that people felt it had sprawled too far and was dragging on, and perhaps Edginton and Yeowell's enthusiasm was flagging, but I believe Tharg may have had a hand in speeding its conclusion (see also: Greysuit). 

Interestingly it's still one of relatively few Edginton 2000AD stories to have a definite end, and certainly the only long-running one.  It remains a very enjoyable read, with some terrific imagery, especially around the Hollow Earth and Valhalla periods.

As ever I'm with TordalBack Block.

Though Red Seas was fantastic and the ending hangs together really well. Especially when you think about what it is - the greatest Ray Harryhausen movie ever!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 November, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
I'm also with TordelBack Block as well... but I'm sure his cross dimensional evil twin TordalBack would agree just the same.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 November, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
Those who've had Strong 4/Bad Company, what kind of package did yours turn up in? I just got a huge box that my books were rattling around in, rather than the usual packaging.

(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46468076_10156838479493126_2269934046077255680_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_eui2=AeGkzxtW6lX3Hd3aGul9jDm6WjzDgwqxGqaK6fywHowJx5-0me3LkUQSB2C9XiVhUUHnrnOLoA6yEplgMaJr2mFTQwKCCl3oZpL0j9nAfhOIfA&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=782fc365eb2264d1a68dc2a376b1925a&oe=5CB15313)

^ Behold.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 November, 2018, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 November, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
Those who've had Strong 4/Bad Company, what kind of package did yours turn up in? I just got a huge box that my books were rattling around in, rather than the usual packaging.
Not had this month's delivery yet but last month's was like this and the Transformers was too. Jacklin Service appear to have run out of sleeves.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 19 November, 2018, 11:47:26 AM
31 & 32 arrived today - in a big box. Irritating to see that some people are a month ahead of me - I'm jealous but can't be arsed to purchase my way ahead again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 November, 2018, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 19 November, 2018, 11:22:29 AMNot had this month's delivery yet but last month's was like this and the Transformers was too. Jacklin Service appear to have run out of sleeves.
Great. They're going to end up replacing a shit-load of books, then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 19 November, 2018, 12:03:21 PM
That's incredible. No-one's heard of bubble wrap even? 

Mind you, I got a packet of the Warhammer Conquest partwork from Hachette the other week, which includes large and quite brittle kit sprues, and they were just squeezed 4-deep in an unpadded plastic baggy. It seems crazy that packing could be this bad - if you were YouTube seller your rating wouldn't last the week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 19 November, 2018, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 19 November, 2018, 11:47:26 AM
31 & 32 arrived today - in a big box. Irritating to see that some people are a month ahead of me - I'm jealous but can't be arsed to purchase my way ahead again.

I'm the same and had the same issues arrive today in the same big box. Both were fine.
I'm not bothered that I'm a month behind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 19 November, 2018, 03:25:51 PM
My box was thoroughly badgered and the tape on the front was split so it was almost open to the world. Fortunately the books rattling around inside seemed relatively unscathed
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 November, 2018, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 19 November, 2018, 12:03:21 PM
That's incredible. No-one's heard of bubble wrap even? 

Didn't you watch Doctor Who this week!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 20 November, 2018, 03:29:28 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 November, 2018, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 19 November, 2018, 11:22:29 AMNot had this month's delivery yet but last month's was like this and the Transformers was too. Jacklin Service appear to have run out of sleeves.
Great. They're going to end up replacing a shit-load of books, then.

My 31/32 came like that, but cos a neighbour took it in instead of them usually dropping it from my letterbox, if anything it was probably slightly better condition than usual. Other than the inside covers being swapped  :P
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 07:31:19 AM
Quote from: athorist on 20 November, 2018, 03:29:28 AMOther than the inside covers being swapped  :P

Not again...!  :-\
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Sabreman64 on 20 November, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
Oh good grief! You'll never guess what the incompetent $@&£wits at Hachette have done now. I have received my replacement Nemesis figure today. But they've also sent me copies of issue 11 and 12 (which came with my original Nemesis figure). But not only that. They've charged me for the duplicate 11 and 12 (plus the premium of £1.50 per issue)! So I'm pretty pissed off about that - being charged £22.98 for duplicate issues they should never have sent me.

What do I do now? I suppose I'll have to return issues 11 and 12 to Hachette (at my own expense, of course - not happy about that), and then try to get them to refund me the £22.98. Advice please someone?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 20 November, 2018, 11:07:15 AM
I wouldn't return them until you've got your refund, and as it's their error they should pay postage (or more likely, scrub the charge but let you keep them)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 20 November, 2018, 12:36:01 PM
Yesterday issues 31/32 came in an oversized box.
Today issues 33/34 came in a sleeve.

Had asked via Facebook page if they could take an extra payment to bring me back in line with shop release dates
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 November, 2018, 02:24:32 PM
i assume stront 4 is the rest of vol 3 of the agency files not yet collected
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 November, 2018, 02:24:32 PM
i assume stront 4 is the rest of vol 3 of the agency files not yet collected

The page count doesn't really allow for that! Very interested to see what's in it, though.

Slavers of Drule - 51 pages
Max Bubba - 107 pages
Smiley's World - 9 pages
Rage - 107 pages

That's a page count of 274, which is larger than the format allows for even before the title pages and customary essay. So it'll either be a slimmish volume of 167 (up to the end of Smiley's World) or Rage split in half and carried over to the next volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 November, 2018, 02:54:22 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 02:44:49 PM
Very interested to see what's in it, though.
"originally serialised in: 425-434, 445-465, 466-467, 469-480"
Slavers of Drule, The Ragnarok Job, Rage (part 1) are the title pages. Last page says 'continued in vol5'

Where do Smiley's World & Max Bubba fit? Are they subchapters of Ragnarok?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 03:04:00 PM
Thanks Tomwe! That's my speculation addressed - they've split Rage into two, which is probably not a bad way to do it, depending on where the split is.

Quote from: Tomwe on 20 November, 2018, 02:54:22 PM
"originally serialised in: 425-434, 445-465, 466-467, 469-480"
Slavers of Drule, The Ragnarok Job, Rage (part 1) are the title pages. Last page says 'continued in vol5'

Where do Smiley's World & Max Bubba fit? Are they subchapters of Ragnarok?

'Max Bubba' is just an alternative name for 'The Ragnarok Job'. Smiley's World is from progs 466-467 - sometimes it's run as a separate story, sometimes simply as the end of Ragnarok Job - as it seems to be here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 November, 2018, 03:08:19 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 03:04:00 PM
Thanks Tomwe! That's my speculation addressed - they've split Rage into two, which is probably not a bad way to do it, depending on where the split is.
Does that help? Means nothing to me out of context - haven't read it yet!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsdG_AfWkAYsIUz.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 20 November, 2018, 03:09:38 PM
Other way round, isn't it? Max Bubba is the original name (a factoid I believe I learnt from ColinYNWA), Ragnarok Job is what we tend to call it these days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 03:12:52 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 20 November, 2018, 03:08:19 PM
Does that help? Means nothing to me out of context - haven't read it yet!

Hard to say much without going into spoiler territory, but yeah, that's not a bad place to break it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 03:15:11 PM
A quick bit of space-maths based on the known contents of vol 4 means we pretty much know how the rest will be split - vol 5 Incident on Mayjer Minor, Warzone and Bitch for a page count of 231; vol 6 Royal Affair, Sorry Case, Rammy, Stone Killers and Incident on Zeta for 170; and No-Go Job and Final Solution in vol 7 for a page count of 195.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 20 November, 2018, 04:06:28 PM
Moogie101 was it easy getting them to update your order to be up to date with Hatchett via Facebook ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 20 November, 2018, 04:36:05 PM
Quote from: moly on 20 November, 2018, 04:06:28 PM
Moogie101 was it easy getting them to update your order to be up to date with Hatchett via Facebook ?

Ridiculously do.

Just sent a polite message saying I was loving the books but frustrated at being behind customers buying in stores and asked if I could pay double one month to bring myself upto date.

About a day later I got a reply saying it was done
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 20 November, 2018, 04:43:59 PM
Cheers moogie101 will ask them
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2018, 05:04:44 PM
Luck of the draw on this, note. I asked the same a while back and was told no. Someone else asked the same, and basically threatened to stop subscribing, and was told "OK then". (When I tried the same, I was still told no.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 20 November, 2018, 05:17:55 PM
I've messaged them so we will see
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 20 November, 2018, 05:39:26 PM
You know, the more I dip in and out of this thread, the more I'm glad I decided to miss this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 05:44:14 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 20 November, 2018, 05:39:26 PM
You know, the more I dip in and out of this thread, the more I'm glad I decided to miss this collection.

I just buy mine from the newsagents!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 20 November, 2018, 06:27:49 PM
*deep breath*

Has anyone else found that their Vol 31 spine doesn't match up properly with Vol 32 (Horned God)? Vols 29-31 are perfect, but the collection catches up with Issue 1 on the shelf and it doesn't fit! I might wait for Vol 33 before I complain. It's at least as bad as that earlier volume that didn't match.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2018, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 05:44:14 PMI just buy mine from the newsagents!
That was my plan, only we don't have any local newsagents, our McColls is run by psychopaths, and WHSmith was cagey over whether it would be able to order anything in with any regularity.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 06:45:20 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 20 November, 2018, 06:27:49 PM
Has anyone else found that their Vol 31 spine doesn't match up properly with Vol 32 (Horned God)? Vols 29-31 are perfect, but the collection catches up with Issue 1 on the shelf and it doesn't fit!

Same for me. Suggests it's the whole print run, so I don't know how far a complaint will get you...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 November, 2018, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 20 November, 2018, 06:27:49 PM
*deep breath*

Has anyone else found that their Vol 31 spine doesn't match up properly with Vol 32 (Horned God)? Vols 29-31 are perfect, but the collection catches up with Issue 1 on the shelf and it doesn't fit! I might wait for Vol 33 before I complain. It's at least as bad as that earlier volume that didn't match.

Oh damn you're so right
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dsd4G6FXcAM81IN.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 November, 2018, 08:17:49 PM
I've just been and checked the connections of all my other Partworks and this is really only the second time it's happened. I mean, some nudge up and down or the books don't sit close enough together but this is the Complete collection's  second actual error.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 21 November, 2018, 01:43:17 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2018, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2018, 05:44:14 PMI just buy mine from the newsagents!
That was my plan, only we don't have any local newsagents, our McColls is run by psychopaths, and WHSmith was cagey over whether it would be able to order anything in with any regularity.

Psychopathic newsagents? That has to be a future shock/terror tale waiting to happen, if it hasn't already. I can't praise my local Thrill-merchant enough for sorting out my order for the Dredd collection and subsequently the Tooth series. Other than a couple of misses on Dredd, every issue has arrived present and correct.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pale fire on 21 November, 2018, 07:35:13 AM
I've had my latest two through (Dr & quich, which I'm looking forward to and robo hunter, which all the past reviews have made me more subdued on...)

I was buying at the store, and so was ballpark around when the subscribers were getting them, then subscribed when my local newsagent didn't get rogue trooper 2 in. It took about 2 months for them to get the subscription up and running correctly and I had a load of stuff that I hadn't ordered sent through.

Kept calm and polite and was given the free post return address and had the charges wiped from the account and everything put right. Used a combo of Facebook and email. Not sure that helped.

Anyway, while I waited for the new collections to arrive I picked up a few JD collections secondhand (for around a fiver) from the local market. They used to have a stack, but they're almost all gone now (I only picked up a few)

I don't want to risk contacting them about getting up to date on the 2000 ad collection. It looks like my opt out of the covers thing worked.

The next two packs look great (love Kingdom. Bad company looks interesting).

And yep, the last couple of deliveries came in battered oversize boxes, but the books were okay.

I still think that (minor quibbles aside) the books themselves our superb. Considering that the company hinges around a subscription model it's a bit weird how many simple things cause them issues on that.

Hopefully they'll get it sorted but I'm not sure how much the complaints/problems get relayed up to the management there. You'd have thought that the costs (to them) would make it a priority. But perhaps the number of replacements for swapped endpapers or dented spines is low percentage wise, even if its very viable here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2018, 09:11:53 AM
Having complained on Facebook, I've been told they will dispatch replacement books in "standard packaging", and so I've no idea what's going on.

And, yeah, I wish they'd take a look at how they appear to the wider world. The Facebook threads are a mess of complaints. That's not a good look for new people coming in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2018, 03:28:40 PM
Hachette on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2157595737902080?comment_id=2165085107153143&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R6%22%7D):

QuoteHi Everyone

Regarding the misprint on issue 31 and 32 .

Hachette has confirm the error and we would like to replace this issues with the correct issues

Kindly PM Us your subscription number we will arrange a replacement .
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2018, 03:41:25 PM
Already got a response to the above. I have been "added to the replacement list".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 21 November, 2018, 03:49:12 PM
What misprints were these?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2018, 04:24:56 PM
They flipped the endpapers, so the Kingdom ones were in the Sláine book and vice-versa.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 21 November, 2018, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2018, 04:24:56 PM
They flipped the endpapers, so the Kingdom ones were in the Sláine book and vice-versa.

Yeah I've got this too, but to be honest not that bothered. Won't bother asking for a reprinted copy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 21 November, 2018, 06:03:05 PM
I tried asking when my Nemesis vol 3 had the cover upside down, so I didn't bother with the endpapers. I assumed it was the whole run. I've already read Kingdom, what's the point?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 21 November, 2018, 08:16:17 PM
Quote from: athorist on 21 November, 2018, 06:03:05 PM
I tried asking when my Nemesis vol 3 had the cover upside down, so I didn't bother with the endpapers. I assumed it was the whole run. I've already read Kingdom, what's the point?
Yeah, couldn't care less about the endpapers. Sucks that they goofed up but doesn't affect the shelf presentation or the story contents. With the 31/32 spine error, the FB page asked people to get in touch with them via messenger with sub numbers to request a corrected copy. Not the best solution tbh as people without FB are pretty much left out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 November, 2018, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 21 November, 2018, 08:16:17 PM
With the 31/32 spine error, the FB page asked people to get in touch with them via messenger with sub numbers to request a corrected copy. Not the best solution tbh as people without FB are pretty much left out.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the FB mods comment about getting in touch is about the endpapers. It's a complete coincidence that the pair that were flipped were issue 31 & 32, whereas the Slaine pair in question are volumes 31 & 32. The mods are yet to directly address the spines in my image post.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 November, 2018, 09:53:08 PM
Rather ticked off with the WH Smiths I order my 2000AD collection from.  Went in today and into the cabinet where my book is usually stored and nothing.  Some plonker had placed it on public sale.  Its a good job that it hadn't sold.  This isn't the first time this has happened.

Also, Ive already contacted them twice about the piss poor quality of some of the text in my last Dredd book and never got a reply.  Anyone got any ideas for an alternate contact method or any suggestions.  Most times I haven't been too bad but the text was so bad in some places it was unreadable.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 22 November, 2018, 06:34:44 AM
I sent a message to the Facebook page thanking them for getting me up to date & suggested they make other subscribers aware its an option to try & stop the constant stream of complaints every time they post anything & got an interesting response.

"Its not all accounts that allows subscribers to catch up with their subscriptions, you were lucky yours did allow to send the issues. With some accounts we can not adjust issues"

WTF?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 November, 2018, 07:50:06 AM
Do hatchette only reply to FB posts? I asked them about subs via their website and have got no response at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 22 November, 2018, 07:53:53 AM
Quote from: karlos on 22 November, 2018, 07:50:06 AM
Do hatchette only reply to FB posts? I asked them about subs via their website and have got no response at all.

In the past I've tried emails & phonecalls, but the only decent response I've ever received has been via the FB page. Weird.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 November, 2018, 09:52:15 AM
Certainly is, Moogie101!  Very odd!  Thanks for replying - much appreciated!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 22 November, 2018, 09:58:23 AM
Every time Ive contacted via phone or email its only made matters worse. I actually cancelled my Transformers sub as I was only borderline on if I should get it and they refused to set up a direct debit correctly after several calls and emails, then sent me a shitty letter saying I hadn't paid. Fortunately no issues with Dredd or Toof
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2018, 12:11:29 PM
I've never got through on the phone – it just rings off. Email ranges from incoherent to vaguely coherent. (One person via email told me you could only subscribe from issue one, when I mentioned the website form 'stopped' at something like issue 29.)

Facebook Messenger is your best bet, although replies can take a long while sometimes. (Usually, I get a response within about three days. The longest wait I had was nearly three weeks.) Public replies on a relevant Facebook thread sometimes kick their arse, mind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 22 November, 2018, 01:22:08 PM
Bit of a shame the 90s cover art book has the whole cover - whereas the 2000s has just the main art piece. The result is just a book of reduced sized covers. Way too much border around each too. The first book was great, this one - not so much. Probably cancel out of the final 2 books and save 40 quid. Bah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 22 November, 2018, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: BPP on 22 November, 2018, 01:22:08 PM
Bit of a shame the 90s cover art book has the whole cover - whereas the 2000s has just the main art piece. The result is just a book of reduced sized covers. Way too much border around each too. The first book was great, this one - not so much. Probably cancel out of the final 2 books and save 40 quid. Bah.
I made the same complaint to Hachette on the FB page and just got a "We are sorry to hear about this. We will forward your complaint on to the team." It's definitely taking advantage of subscribers who expected the 2nd book to be of the same quality as the 1st.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 November, 2018, 03:21:18 PM
Thanks muchly for the replies, guys.

Also, has there been any more talk on what we can expect with issues #81-#100?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 November, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: karlos on 22 November, 2018, 03:21:18 PM
Also, has there been any more talk on what we can expect with issues #81-#100?

I don't think it's even been confirmed we're getting anything beyond issue 80 has it. Just lots of speculation and wishful thinking.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 November, 2018, 03:54:57 PM
Thanks, Sintec- I honestly thought there'd been some titles sort of confirmed for an extension (Finn, seems to spring to mind, for some reason).

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 22 November, 2018, 06:20:39 PM
Well had my reply from Facebook asking them to get up to date with the shop



We are not using the same schedule as the newsagents , we only send 2 a month as they get issues weekly ,we might sometime be a little behind however we make sure that our customer get all issues to complete the series and we also replace if needed .


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2018, 07:21:07 PM
The newsagent is also on a fortnightly schedule. So they're talking bollocks again. Perhaps they mean that they send monthly instead of fortnightly. But that schedule was knocked out by an entire month because of the covers volume screw-up. It just seems like it's luck of the draw. When I subscribed, I was about a week behind stores. Then that slipped to 4–5 weeks behind. On resubscribing, I was just under a week behind the stores, and this latest set came two days before the first one was in the wild. Random.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 22 November, 2018, 07:39:45 PM
It is very bad customer service and I wouldn't start another set with them in the future, wouldn't think it was the same company that did judge dredd partworks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 November, 2018, 09:17:52 PM
Quote from: moly on 22 November, 2018, 07:39:45 PM
It is very bad customer service and I wouldn't start another set with them in the future, wouldn't think it was the same company that did judge dredd partworks
Perhaps try sending a similar request to hachetted400cancellations@jacklinservice.com. I got my double order that way from 'Alice'  after being turned down via Facebook. Include your sub no & say you're considering cancelling?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 November, 2018, 09:42:49 AM
Whoever it was that complained that one time the Judge Dredd Mega Collection went into Sale mode on the Hachette site has a lot to answer for.

Both that and this collection once again excluded from the 50% discounts.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 November, 2018, 01:31:05 PM
Yep. Gits. I get the exclusion of recently released items (in this case, they block anything since May from the sale), but entire series? Bah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 24 November, 2018, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 21 November, 2018, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 21 November, 2018, 08:16:17 PM
With the 31/32 spine error, the FB page asked people to get in touch with them via messenger with sub numbers to request a corrected copy. Not the best solution tbh as people without FB are pretty much left out.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the FB mods comment about getting in touch is about the endpapers. It's a complete coincidence that the pair that were flipped were issue 31 & 32, whereas the Slaine pair in question are volumes 31 & 32. The mods are yet to directly address the spines in my image post.

Thanks Tomwe for suggesting that, I messaged them and they offered to fix it when the reprints are done (both the Slaine spine and Nemesis). If they're doing the endpapers as well, I don't know, but I don't think I'll bother now, seeing as one of them's going to be fixed anyway.

(Wouldn't it be cheaper for them to send two endpaper prints and some glue?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 November, 2018, 08:02:54 PM
Hachette continue to baffle.  I send them a message about the text quality in War in the streets.  I state that it was number 90 as an issue (ie the last one we got), but it was numbered as number 88 in the collection.

They reply asking if I would like a replacement for Number 92, which doesn't even exist?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 November, 2018, 08:27:09 AM
Thoughts on the contents of this months books.

It was hard to believe Kingdom could get any better - but it does.  Definite contender for best book of the collection so far.  The art is absolutely stunning and the writing is superb. Really hope we get an extension and a 3rd volume of this but if not I'll definitely be looking out for trades with the continuation of this story.

I wasn't a big fan of Time Killer so I was expecting to have a similar dislike of Sláine's Tomb Of Terror, happily I quite enjoyed it though.  It was a good old fashioned Gygax style dungeon crawl and didn't suffer from the reams of exposition which I think bogged Time Killer down.  Spoils Of Annwn was an enjoyable little side quest leading up to Sláine The King which was a top quality thrill. Maybe Time Killer just caught me in the wrong frame of mind but this felt like a real return to form.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 27 November, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
Finally got through to Hachette by phone.  The first number they supplied was not recognised but I got a second.  Heavily accented voice on the other end, Indian perhaps?  Nevertheless I was able to get through to the guy that the issue number and volume number weren't the same due to the release method and gave the name of the issue.

He took my details and said there will be a replacement sent out but I hope it's not got the same problems
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 November, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 27 November, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
Heavily accented voice on the other end, Indian perhaps? 

I think it's South Africa, where  Jacklin Enterprises (http://www.jacklinenterprises.com/about) is based:
QuoteThe company is based in Johannesburg, South Africa and London UK. Operations are managed from Johannesburg, South Africa and the North East of United Kingdom. We are a proudly South African company who is deliberate in offering world renowned service.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 November, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 27 November, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
He took my details and said there will be a replacement sent out but I hope it's not got the same problems

Does this mean you'll have a spare copy of War On The Streets?
I'd happily take it off your hands, repro issues and all, if you do as that vol is proving tricky to pick up now.  Send me a PM if you're interested.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 November, 2018, 04:23:41 PM
Actually it seems Hachette have had a restock - just ordered 4 of the 5 vols of the Dredd collection I'm missing including War On The Streets.  Now to track down a copy of Famous Monsters at a non-exorbitante price and I'm done.  Very glad I didn't get sucked into some of the crazy bidding wars I've witnessed on ebay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 November, 2018, 04:50:03 PM
I ordered a bunch of stuff in the Black Friday sale, which was supposed to arrive in 2–3 business days. Did it arrive? Did it f——.

Sigh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 November, 2018, 05:24:47 PM
Last order I made with them directly took about a month - apparently due to some kind of stock take, at least that was the excuse I was given.  Punctuality is not their strong suit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 30 November, 2018, 01:24:17 AM
Wonder how long it will take for my replacement and I'm sceptical as to whether it will be any better to be honest.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 30 November, 2018, 10:16:07 AM
its kinda sad some random guy on the internet can send you something faster than a company
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
I'm actually a bit pissed off about this one. As ever, it's all about expectation. When they send a replacement, they state 7–14 business days. It takes ages. That's fine. But when you spend over a certain amount on the store, they stipulate next-day dispatch and arrival within 2–3 business days. Mind you, I'm not sure why I should have expected anything else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 November, 2018, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 30 November, 2018, 10:16:07 AM
its kinda sad some random guy on the internet can send you something faster than a company

Any ebay seller who took as long as Hachette to send stuff would have terrible ratings and end up effectively out of business.  I've purchased most of the Dredd collection via ebay over recent months with the odd order from Hachette.  Ebay orders are generally with me in a couple of days, Hachette a couple of weeks AT BEST.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
Randomly, two books arrived today. Fuck knows where the others are.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 December, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 30 November, 2018, 10:16:07 AM
its kinda sad some random guy on the internet can send you something faster than a company

Indeed that is true. :D

Still nothing so far, but it took long enough to get through to someone.  I have the sneaking suspicion that the replacement will probably have the same issues text wise.  Did anyone else get overly bolded text on War on the Streets?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 December, 2018, 12:29:05 PM
The rest of my order arrived. I now have some advice for everyone here: be VERY careful on making large orders for Hachette. I ordered 21 books, and they were sent in three large card boxes, with no protection whatsoever. It's a miracle more of the books aren't badly damaged.

Even bearing in mind this company's incompetence, I'm actually taken aback by this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 03 December, 2018, 01:18:29 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 December, 2018, 12:29:05 PM
The rest of my order arrived. I now have some advice for everyone here: be VERY careful on making large orders for Hachette. I ordered 21 books, and they were sent in three large card boxes, with no protection whatsoever. It's a miracle more of the books aren't badly damaged.

Even bearing in mind this company's incompetence, I'm actually taken aback by this.

I made a large order over a week ago and due to the amount, next day delivery was available.

After 5 working days, nothing showed up. So I complained via FB messenger. They claimed that I had to pay extra for next day delivery, so I screenshot the delivery info from their website. They then made excuses and claimed my delivery should arrive early this week.

What a joke.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 December, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
My order was split. Two books arrived after two days, and the rest showed up today. So that means eight books arrived late (out of ten), the others arrived on time. I'm mostly annoyed at the state they arrived in. Oh, and it turns out they also managed to get the order wrong, and sent one book incorrectly. Because they are massive buffoons.

As for your email response, it's clear they don't know their own company policy. When I tried to resubscribe to the 2000 AD series, I was told you could only subscribe from issue 1, despite what's stated on the website. Now you're told you have to pay extra for next-day, despite their site stating free delivery over £x and free next day over £y.

The books are good, on the whole, but... blimey. After the 2000 AD series is done, I can't imagine why I'd ever subscribe to another of these series. Hell, even if they did an Image partwork, I'd think twice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 03 December, 2018, 02:47:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 December, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
My order was split. Two books arrived after two days, and the rest showed up today. So that means eight books arrived late (out of ten), the others arrived on time. I'm mostly annoyed at the state they arrived in. Oh, and it turns out they also managed to get the order wrong, and sent one book incorrectly. Because they are massive buffoons.

As for your email response, it's clear they don't know their own company policy. When I tried to resubscribe to the 2000 AD series, I was told you could only subscribe from issue 1, despite what's stated on the website. Now you're told you have to pay extra for next-day, despite their site stating free delivery over £x and free next day over £y.

The books are good, on the whole, but... blimey. After the 2000 AD series is done, I can't imagine why I'd ever subscribe to another of these series. Hell, even if they did an Image partwork, I'd think twice.

I've subscribed at my local Forbidden Planet store for the next issue onward. They will hold the issues for me and I will pay when I pick them up so I can inspect for damage.

The only plus with the Hachette subscription was that I could easily ask for replacements if any damages occurred. Plus it came to my door. However I think this will work better and once its done I will never use them again.

Image partwork? Cant you just buy via Amazon etc.?

Eaglemoss is even worse that Hachette!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 December, 2018, 03:09:50 PM
Quote from: DonJohnson on 03 December, 2018, 02:47:55 PMI've subscribed at my local Forbidden Planet store for the next issue onward. They will hold the issues for me and I will pay when I pick them up so I can inspect for damage.
If I had a local option, I'd do the same; the problem is we have two stores in town – McColl's and WHSmith – and it seems neither can guarantee they'll get things in. It's not like the good old days of my local newsagent.

QuoteImage partwork? Cant you just buy via Amazon etc.?
Yep. I just like hardbacks, and a selection of strips. My point was really that after 2000 AD, Image is probably the sole thing where I might budge regarding a "never again" stance on Hachette partworks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 03 December, 2018, 03:59:52 PM
A lot of the Image stuff is collected in HB and Deluxe HB, like Saga for example.

Eaglemoss have released a Star Wars collection in Europe but I am just collecting the Marvel Epics which collect everything ever.

I also got the Hachette Marvel 2016 Collection but stopped about 60 issues in. I figured I could just get what I wanted via OHC/OMNIs or Marvel Unlimited.

These part works usually have really low resale value compared to buying the actual HC/OHC from the standard publisher.

I regret buying the Eaglemoss DC colletion and starting the Hachette Marvel one. However the Dredd and 2000AD ones make sense as this stuff is not really collected in a nice curated HC format.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 December, 2018, 12:29:44 PM
For the record, Rage is split between Strontium Dog volumes 4 and 5.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 December, 2018, 02:24:01 PM
I wish the Eaglemoss Star Wars one was sold in the UK, but alas, no.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 05 December, 2018, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 05 December, 2018, 02:24:01 PM
I wish the Eaglemoss Star Wars one was sold in the UK, but alas, no.

Why not just pick up the Marvel Epic Collection? They are collecting all the DH material plus all the old Marvel material.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 05 December, 2018, 05:15:00 PM
Quote from: DonJohnson on 05 December, 2018, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 05 December, 2018, 02:24:01 PM
I wish the Eaglemoss Star Wars one was sold in the UK, but alas, no.

Why not just pick up the Marvel Epic Collection? They are collecting all the DH material plus all the old Marvel material.

Which is what I'm doing. I have seven of the Epic collection and the original Marvel run I have in the 4 omnibus collections.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 05 December, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Just wondered if anyone knows if the Stickleback volume of the Ultimate Collection will feature all the following stories:
Mother London
England's Glory London's Burning
Number of the Beast
Twas the Fight before Christmas
The Thru'Penny Opera
Will that prove too many pages for one edition? I have a feeling that the Christmas story may be omitted, but I sincerely hope not as I am a real stickler for completeness!
May I also take this opportunity to ask for the return of this strip in the Prog, as it was a great story and I really don't like unfinished endings
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 December, 2018, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 05 December, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Just wondered if anyone knows if the Stickleback volume of the Ultimate Collection will feature all the following stories:
Mother London
England's Glory London's Burning
Number of the Beast
Twas the Fight before Christmas
The Thru'Penny Opera

No, but if I had to guess I'd say not. It's just too much! Hopefully it gives us up to London's Burning - that's a nice natural place to stop, an end to the first arc of the character and series before we jump forward in time for the next books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 December, 2018, 08:51:41 PM
Well I finished Bad Company last night.

To be honest, I found the first part a wee bit of a struggle in places and actually preferred the Bad Company II storyline.

Strontium Dog today though, that's something to look forward to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 December, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
My copy of War On The Streets came through.  The repro on some of the Mega Rackets stories looks a bit heavy on the black.  Most of the text is, just about, readable but there are a few panels where it's obvious A LOT of the detail has been lost from the artwork and we're left with a mostly black square :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 December, 2018, 06:33:39 PM
That doesn't seem like a good sign for my replacement book. The text reproduction on mine really sucked badly and I think it's inexcusable. Honestly, if they can't do any better they should do a replacement book of different content, Black Atlantic maybe. It's not as if there's a lack of stuff to use.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 06 December, 2018, 06:55:16 PM
Quote from: sintec on 06 December, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
My copy of War On The Streets came through.  The repro on some of the Mega Rackets stories looks a bit heavy on the black.  Most of the text is, just about, readable but there are a few panels where it's obvious A LOT of the detail has been lost from the artwork and we're left with a mostly black square :(

What issue number is that?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 December, 2018, 03:10:11 AM
Quote from: DonJohnson on 06 December, 2018, 06:55:16 PM
Quote from: sintec on 06 December, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
My copy of War On The Streets came through.  The repro on some of the Mega Rackets stories looks a bit heavy on the black.  Most of the text is, just about, readable but there are a few panels where it's obvious A LOT of the detail has been lost from the artwork and we're left with a mostly black square :(

What issue number is that?

That is issue number 88, it was the last book we got, volume 90, but it's number 88 in the collection.

I find a lot of the text is so blackened that it is damned near impossible to read.  Frankly, I haven't complained about any other book but this one has been an exception.

Anyway, I sat through and read the Strontium Dog Volume 4 in one sitting.  This is one I thoroughly enjoyed.  I don't remember Ragnarok or Rage, but the villain Max Bubba seemed vaguely familiar so it's possible I saw it years back.  Great stories all round.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 December, 2018, 11:58:45 AM
Just to clarify War On The Streets was Issue 90 (Vol 88) of the Mega Collection.  It's not part of the Ultimate Collection.  For me it's the art that really suffers; the text is hard to read in places but I could usually infer what it should have been from context, the art is just rendered as a shadowy blob which is a crying shame.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 07 December, 2018, 12:03:21 PM
Quote from: sintec on 07 December, 2018, 11:58:45 AM
Just to clarify War On The Streets was Issue 90 (Vol 88) of the Mega Collection.  It's not part of the Ultimate Collection.  For me it's the art that really suffers; the text is hard to read in places but I could usually infer what it should have been from context, the art is just rendered as a shadowy blob which is a crying shame.

Darn, I still haven't even looked at that volume yet! These Hachette Collections are real hatchet jobs!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 09 December, 2018, 11:54:17 AM
Karlos have you had a reply yet? I emailed them about two weeks about the swapped end papers and have had no response. That facebook link just brings me to the 2000AD FB page, how do I contact HP?

Quote from: karlos on 22 November, 2018, 07:50:06 AM
Do hatchette only reply to FB posts? I asked them about subs via their website and have got no response at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 December, 2018, 12:16:18 PM
Use Facebook Messenger rather than email. They tend to actually respond there (although replies can take anything from a few days to a couple of weeks).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 09 December, 2018, 03:48:31 PM
What is there actual facebook page? I tried to contact them through FB but ended up contacting HP UK and not the HP that does this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 December, 2018, 03:53:40 PM
https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 09 December, 2018, 03:59:54 PM
Thanks, I've resent my message. Hopefully I will receive a response in early course.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 10 December, 2018, 11:19:02 AM
Hi, Rava. 

Never got a reply at all via the actual website.

As you've no doubt seen, the way to get a response is via the FB page.

Good luck!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 10 December, 2018, 04:11:09 PM
I picked up the latest issue yesterday (Strontium Dog) from Forbidden Planet. Looked in good order until I got it home and removed the shrink wrap.

Some of the pages near the middle were damaged, thankfully the thickness of the paper stopped them from tearing in half due to a printer jam/error.

What do I do?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 December, 2018, 04:24:09 PM
FPI is the seller, and therefore should be the one you return it to, DonJohnson.

As for Hachette in general, I waited a week, sent a FB message, and have already had two replies today. I'm not emailing them again. Waste of time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 10 December, 2018, 06:04:42 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 December, 2018, 04:24:09 PM
FPI is the seller, and therefore should be the one you return it to, DonJohnson.

As for Hachette in general, I waited a week, sent a FB message, and have already had two replies today. I'm not emailing them again. Waste of time.

I got 2 x mail orders of 4 books and 6 books.

The box of 4 was well packaged, however a few dinged corners due to zero packing peanuts.

The box of 6 was OK packed but no packing peanuts to stop things moving around in the large box. Again more dinged up corners.

Thankfully I no longer have to deal with them since I've got a subscription with Forbidden Planet. Just a really bad taste in my mouth from both Hachette and Eaglemoss partworks for years of hassle and replacements.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 December, 2018, 07:46:46 PM
Yeah, my boxes were... interesting. Two were crushed. One had a massive hole in it. I've just secured replacements for five books on Facebook. What a waste of money though. They could have just packaged the things properly in the first place. (I shudder to think how many replacements Hachette has sent me over the past few years.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 10 December, 2018, 08:43:22 PM
Forbidden Planet charge a bit more for p & p, but everything I get from them arrives damage free.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DonJohnson on 11 December, 2018, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 December, 2018, 07:46:46 PM
Yeah, my boxes were... interesting. Two were crushed. One had a massive hole in it. I've just secured replacements for five books on Facebook. What a waste of money though. They could have just packaged the things properly in the first place. (I shudder to think how many replacements Hachette has sent me over the past few years.)

What was the damage to the books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 December, 2018, 04:21:28 PM
Some dinged corners and partially crushed spines. There's basically a tipping point of what I will and won't accept, and in this case I was even more annoyed given the amount of money I spent (about £150) and the appalling state of how things were sent.

I guess I can now look forward to my replacements also being sent in a massive box with no protection...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 12 December, 2018, 09:28:24 PM
Just wanted to let you know that I messaged them on facebook on Sun, received a reply on Monday and my replacements are in the post.

Facebook is the way to go Karlos ...

Thanks Indigo for your help.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 December, 2018, 10:13:35 PM
Still no sign of my replacement War in the Streets from Dredd.  From what has been said here I don't hold out hopes that the replacement will be any better and frankly I think text that is near unreadable is unacceptable.  I know you can get the idea of what is being said, but that's not the point, personally I think Hachette should issue a replacement volume with different content if its not possible to get better source material.  There's no shortage of desirable Dredd, Black Atlantic for example.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 December, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
And I got my replacement I . The dozy postman left it on the doorstep, thank god my neighbour is honest.

Same text problems exactly in the replacement. Given the wealth of unreleased Dress, this is inexcusable. There should be something like a Black Atlantic book or similar if they can't be bothered to get decent reproduction.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2018, 03:35:00 PM
I suspect this is repro then, rather than printing. (By contrast, Total War had a printing issue. I ended up with three copies, which were bad in different ways...)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 16 December, 2018, 04:15:27 PM
I'm not 100% but I think the stories had similar repro issues in the Complete Case files. I don't have my copies to hand so can't tell at this point. I'm pretty sure the repro on Black Atlantic was pretty bad in the case files too. It's the problem when the stuff from those days is reproduced, things are missing and they do the best job they can.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 December, 2018, 07:10:26 PM
In my mind artwork having issues can be bad enough depending on the severity but the text is even worse.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 18 December, 2018, 12:25:48 PM
Just had Issues 35 Nikolai Dante Vol. 4 & 36 Ace Trucking Vol. 2 delivered.

Good news is it came packaged in the smaller sleeves rather than the oversized box which seems to have caused damage with several people's last delivery.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2018, 01:14:30 PM
Looks like they're back to the standard sleeves (versus the awful old ones, and those massive boxes). Entertainingly, one of my books is still corner-bashed, but I think I'll just put up with this one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 18 December, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
I assume dantes the rest of tsar wars? curious whats in ace trucking or whats not in it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 December, 2018, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 December, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
I assume dantes the rest of tsar wars? curious whats in ace trucking or whats not in it
up to and including 'the croakside trip'. Matt says in is intro he took the 'executive decision' to stop there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 December, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 December, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
I assume dantes the rest of tsar wars? curious whats in ace trucking or whats not in it
Dante includes The Romanov Job as well as tsar wars. ->prog 1287
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2018, 04:58:07 PM
Quoteup to and including 'the croakside trip'. Matt says in is intro he took the 'executive decision' to stop there.
He's right to, frankly. What followed was terrible. That said, it's a bit of a pity we don't get a full-colour reproduction of that final annual story, because the art was gorgeous.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 19 December, 2018, 06:09:00 AM
matt made a good call there
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 December, 2018, 10:21:34 AM
Well apparently my complaint about the quality of the last Dress volume is being escalated, whatever that means in reality.

Is this croakside trip an Ace Trucking story? Frankly Ace feels to me very much a product of the time with the whole CB/trucker movie craze. It's still worth reading but hasn't dated particularly well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 19 December, 2018, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 19 December, 2018, 10:21:34 AM
Well apparently my complaint about the quality of the last Dress volume is being escalated, whatever that means in reality.

Is this croakside trip an Ace Trucking story? Frankly Ace feels to me very much a product of the time with the whole CB/trucker movie craze. It's still worth reading but hasn't dated particularly well.

I've enjoyed it a lot more than robo hunter, it's just a silly fun series and certainty fits in alongside Zombo.

Although I think the rest of the series is so much stronger it just appears weak by comparison.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 December, 2018, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 19 December, 2018, 10:21:34 AMFrankly Ace feels to me very much a product of the time with the whole CB/trucker movie craze. It's still worth reading but hasn't dated particularly well.

The UC has been my first time reading Ace Trucking, and I haven't found it dated at all. I wasn't alive in the 70s and can't say I've seen any CB radio/trucking films from that time, so I'm just taking it for what it is - knockabout space fun.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 20 December, 2018, 02:41:56 AM
I was annoyed when I finished Kingdom vol 2, Bloody cliffhanger.

I really enjoyed Robo Hunter vol 2, Just got Stront/Bad Company this week and just finished the slaver chapter in stront....liking it so far.

Happy to hear Dante is next, love that series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 December, 2018, 03:38:42 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 19 December, 2018, 12:15:25 PM
The UC has been my first time reading Ace Trucking, and I haven't found it dated at all. I wasn't alive in the 70s and can't say I've seen any CB radio/trucking films from that time, so I'm just taking it for what it is - knockabout space fun.

Well Convoy is the best known example, you also have the now obscure TV series BJ and the Bear, but also 'road trip/race's films like Cannonball Run and Smokey and the Bandit capture the mood of that era. Agreed that it's dated better than Robo Hunter though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 20 December, 2018, 03:09:34 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 20 December, 2018, 03:38:42 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 19 December, 2018, 12:15:25 PM
The UC has been my first time reading Ace Trucking, and I haven't found it dated at all. I wasn't alive in the 70s and can't say I've seen any CB radio/trucking films from that time, so I'm just taking it for what it is - knockabout space fun.

Well Convoy is the best known example, you also have the now obscure TV series BJ and the Bear, but also 'road trip/race's films like Cannonball Run and Smokey and the Bandit capture the mood of that era. Agreed that it's dated better than Robo Hunter though.

Hard to appreciate just how huge that Convoy song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5ZLJWQmss) was (It even spawned a typical British comedy parody (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d189uP-48sU))

Well I am no longer quite so smug that I didn't subscribe and have been buying selected books from Forbidden Planet - just realised my pre-ordered Nikolai Dante has not arrived, but I can't remember my password and the "forgot password" emails are not reaching me (I get that with a lot of wenbsites) so I'm locked out of my account! Grrrrrr
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 December, 2018, 10:55:05 PM
Bad Company is superb, loving it.  Awesome cover, great art and the story just keeps getting better (just over half way through the first story so far).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 December, 2018, 09:43:36 AM
Only pick up the Dante volumes and just got the 4th volume but damn these books are great and can't wait to have the complete Dante in nice hardcovers. Makes me wonder if I should be looking at some other series to get in this format.

Nemesis I could never justify as I have a LOT of that multiple times already BUT do we know if Kingdom will be complete (assuming the recent story is the last?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2018, 11:26:35 AM
Last I knew, Kingdom was only two books. I suppose if there's an extension they could roll in the rest of it. Here's hoping.

Does anyone have any thoughts about custom spines? Probably more hassle than it's worth, but I was wondering whether that's even viable with modern printers/vinyl or something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 December, 2018, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 22 December, 2018, 09:43:36 AM
do we know if Kingdom will be complete (assuming the recent story is the last?

Wait Kingdom has come to a conclusion! I'm assuming this is in the recent run in the prog?

Currently only 2 books planned and I'm pretty sure we had a complete list of 80.  Here's hoping for an extension because it'd really suck to have 2/3rds of the story in nice hard back and the ending in a different format.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 December, 2018, 04:42:53 PM
We're not sure. End of last story felt like an end to some Inc me but no confirmation.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2018, 04:45:13 PM
It looks like Kingdom in the UC ends with Beast of Eden (Prog 1972). Barney's not up to date, and so I've no idea how much more there is. As it is in Heaven is listed as 66pg. The recent run must be in a similar territory. Is that all that's left?

From what I can tell, the two UC volumes basically split the three Rebellion paperbacks between them. Kingdom also doesn't appear to be in Rebellion's line-up for next year, which is a kicker. Again, here's hoping this series goes to extension. If nothing else, I'm sure – assuming Rebellion's willing – people would be very happy to wrap up any strips left on cliffhangers, and perhaps get a couple of extra crackers in there (like Firekind).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 22 December, 2018, 07:47:41 PM
I didn't think that the ending of the recent Kingdom story felt *that* final. And given the background to the novel (Fiefdom) I'm guessing Gene gets to Europe eventually

Molcher's essay in the back of Vol.2 is absolutely superb.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 December, 2018, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 22 December, 2018, 07:47:41 PM
I didn't think that the ending of the recent Kingdom story felt *that* final. And given the background to the novel (Fiefdom) I'm guessing Gene gets to Europe eventually


Okay so I'll acknowledge I'm going to be derailing but its interesting as I think the ending of the latest Kingdom does link to 'Fiefdom' as in that Gene has passed into legend, which that end certainly implies and the book clearly states.

Either way we'll see down the line - I'd be very happy to be wrong in my guess that, that's that. Mind the fact no one has said either way might mean its been left open and no one knows for sure???
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 23 December, 2018, 06:20:51 AM
will the slaine books take us up to and include the brutania chronicles?

Any benefit of picking up the ABC warriors books instead of the mek files?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 December, 2018, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: rs_jr on 23 December, 2018, 06:20:51 AM
will the slaine books take us up to and include the brutania chronicles?

Yes i believe so.

Quote from: rs_jr on 23 December, 2018, 06:20:51 AM
Any benefit of picking up the ABC warriors books instead of the mek files?

SMS retouched quite a bit of his art for The Black Hole so this is a slightly different edition to the Mek Files.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 December, 2018, 02:55:56 PM
Update to the graph showing the number of stories from each prog that have made it into the collections so far.  Includes everything up the 2 most recent issues (Ace Trucking Co Vol 2 and Nikolai Dante Vol 4).

Worth noting we now have 3 more 5 story progs, 288, 292, and 293.  That's thanks to the 2nd volumes of Ace Trucking Co and Robo-hunter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 January, 2019, 03:29:49 PM
Well I opened my still sealed copy of Nikolai Dante last night. The first four or five pages have the corners torn of them at the bottom. Totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 01 January, 2019, 03:43:11 PM
When I opened the latest Slaine volume it had a double-spread picture on the inside of the covers and first/last page in red ink of a bloke with a machine gun blazing away at what appeared to be a giant bug. I wondered for a bit if there was going  to be a time travel arc in the story, and the insectoid thing was actually an alien/demon, but I'm sure it's from one of the back-flash scenes in Kingdom. The bloke was human in a 20th century type suit, not an aux, but "GET OFF MY LAWN!" was a bit of a giveaway.

Doesn't bother me though, I have no intention of changing it. Tickles my sense of humour, actually. If the actual introductory/back-flash had been for a different book, then maybe I'd do something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 January, 2019, 04:20:35 PM
I'm not bothered about incorrect endpapers myself, but damaged books and the already mentioned Judge Dredd War in the streets one does
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 01 January, 2019, 04:35:58 PM
Absolutely agree with that. I wasn't suggesting you were overreacting in your previous post. Just relating my own recent experience, which I found amusing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 02 January, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
I wasn't bothered about the wrong endpapers, but I asked for a replacement of whichever one had the spine image error (and belated one for Nemesis 3, cos the cover was on upside down)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 January, 2019, 09:29:30 PM
Does anyone know if the collection will feature Jaegir or should I just buy the available graphic novel.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 January, 2019, 09:54:13 PM
Jaegir hasn't been formally confirmed, IIRC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 04 January, 2019, 09:16:59 AM
If Jaegir's going to be in the collection, then there's already about 80 pages that aren't collected in the book, and it's nearly 2 years away. So I'd say get it now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goronwy on 05 January, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Has there been any indication anywhere about when the 4th Nemesis volume might make an appearance in the Ultimate Collection? Seems like ages since the first 3 came out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 January, 2019, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 05 January, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Has there been any indication anywhere about when the 4th Nemesis volume might make an appearance in the Ultimate Collection? Seems like ages since the first 3 came out.

[spoiler]March 27th.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goronwy on 05 January, 2019, 09:20:55 PM
Awesome. Thanks for answering.

(...what's with the censoring?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 January, 2019, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 05 January, 2019, 09:20:55 PM
Awesome. Thanks for answering.

(...what's with the censoring?)

Some people like future volumes to be a surprise, that's all!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 January, 2019, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 January, 2019, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 05 January, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Has there been any indication anywhere about when the 4th Nemesis volume might make an appearance in the Ultimate Collection? Seems like ages since the first 3 came out.

[spoiler]March 27th.[/spoiler]

Super excited for this one, too. As birthday presents go (March 31st, cash gifts preferred if any of you fancied getting me something) it's a doozy!

Hammer of the Warlocks
Final Conflict (Book X)
Tubular Hells
Warlocks and Wizards
The Enigmass Variations
Deadlock
Day in the Death of Torquemada
Tomb of Torque
Torquemada's Second Honeymoon
Forbidden Planet

Lots of stuff in there I was hoping for, but not really expecting. I think that's everything collected bar the Diceman outings! Soooo glad that Deadlock is included - it's far more a Nemesis story than it ever was an ABC Warriors tale, and it's going to sit well with the (frankly sub-par) Enigmass Variations stuff. Here's hoping Torque's Second Honeymoon is in colour!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 January, 2019, 12:08:33 AM
Any idea what the next volume will be?

I read Ace Trucking Co Volume 2 in one sitting.  I have vague recollections of some of the stories but not all.  Although in some ways I can't judge the omitted storylines, I have to agree that I think bringing the newer ones in would be a mistake.  Ace was very much a product of it's time although I enjoyed Volume 2 better than 1 and I feel it did end well enough.

Ended up having to take my Nikolai Dante book back to WH Smiths and will have to wait till they get a replacement from the publishers.  I wonder what will happen in the unlikely event that there is none left as that will leave me with a gap in the collection.

Also, going to get back in contact with Hachette re: Judge Dredd War on the Streets.  I wasn't expecting anything before Christmas but a progress report from them would have been welcome as they said they were elevating this complaint up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 January, 2019, 06:23:44 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 10 January, 2019, 12:08:33 AM

Ended up having to take my Nikolai Dante book back to WH Smiths and will have to wait till they get a replacement from the publishers.  I wonder what will happen in the unlikely event that there is none left as that will leave me with a gap in the collection.


I always worried about picking up the volumes the way I do, but I looked at the website and they still have all volumes available for sale so there's always a back up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 January, 2019, 08:45:57 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 10 January, 2019, 12:08:33 AM
Any idea what the next volume will be?

ABC Warriors III.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 January, 2019, 03:09:22 PM
Well got back in phone contact with Hachette about War on the Streets. I explain the whole situation yet again, stating there's a text reproduction issue, that there's been a replacement that has the exact same problems and I get the stock line about "Do I want a replacement....

What does it take to get through their skills that one replacement or one hundred, if the problem is the source it won't fix it. I was told this would be escalated (yet again).

At this point I'm really starting to despair.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 January, 2019, 04:45:36 PM
The issue is that they can only replace not reprint, unless there has been enough of a colossal fuck-up that the latter is a necessity. They've been kind of pushed into that when it comes to some of the spines (given that the spines have been pushed as one of the big collectability aspects of these editions); however, even the endpaper screw-up recently hasn't been fixed (as far as I'm aware – they took the details of people with affected issues, but didn't send out replacements).

They are at least good with replacements for damage; although they'd be smarter to set in place systems to avoid books getting damaged in transit in the first place. (Top tip for publishers: if you run out of book-sized packages, probably order more, rather than sending two smallish books in bloody massive boxes.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 January, 2019, 07:23:50 PM
My viewpoint is that in all the years of Dredd, if they couldn't get War in the Streets at decent quality, there's plenty of other material, Black Atlantic for example. It's not as if there's a shortage of decent stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 13 January, 2019, 03:39:08 AM
how far into the mega collection was the extension announced?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 January, 2019, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: rs_jr on 13 January, 2019, 03:39:08 AM
how far into the mega collection was the extension announced?
The official announcement was around issue 65, but I think the cat had gotten out the bag slightly earlier via the Facebook page.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2019, 07:31:33 PM
Has anyone on a sub received 37/38 yet, and do you have any activity on the Hachette portal for those volumes? The previous three months have been like clockwork: 12 Oct/9 Nov/7 Dec. 4 Jan should have been the next set, but... nothing.

(Excitingly, two other books I ordered from them on New Year's Day haven't shown up either. Excellent all round, as ever.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 January, 2019, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2019, 07:31:33 PM
Has anyone on a sub received 37/38 yet, and do you have any activity on the Hachette portal for those volumes? The previous three months have been like clockwork: 12 Oct/9 Nov/7 Dec. 4 Jan should have been the next set, but... nothing.
Same boat as you. The online portal tends to end up being backdated so I'm sure it's just the delay of the Christmas bank holidays. My Warhammer sub was four days late only.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 17 January, 2019, 07:59:33 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2019, 07:31:33 PM
Has anyone on a sub received 37/38 yet, and do you have any activity on the Hachette portal for those volumes? The previous three months have been like clockwork: 12 Oct/9 Nov/7 Dec. 4 Jan should have been the next set, but... nothing.

(Excitingly, two other books I ordered from them on New Year's Day haven't shown up either. Excellent all round, as ever.)

Count yourself lucky. I'm still waiting for 35/36.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 17 January, 2019, 11:19:25 AM
They told me via Facebook that there'd been a delay due to the holidays but that the books should be dispatched tomorrow (18 Jan).  I'd check your account overnight and if it's not updated then it'd be worthwhile querying it with them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2019, 04:38:07 PM
Quotethe books should be dispatched tomorrow (18 Jan)
Hmm. Bets, then, whether the next lot will be dispatched on 1 Feb, as they should be, or 15 Feb, because that's four weeks after the delay?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 18 January, 2019, 09:20:01 AM
I'd be astonished if it was 1 Feb for the next ones.  Incidentally, my account hasn't been updated today so I'll check again tomorrow to see if there's been any activity.

For a company whose core activity is sending books to people, Hachette seem to be really quite bad at sending books to people.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 January, 2019, 10:45:42 AM
It is baffling. I just checked my account – nothing there. And it's now been 13 working days since I ordered those two other books. Pathetic, really.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 January, 2019, 01:32:09 PM
"Issue 37 and 38 were dispatched today (18/01/2019) allow 7-14 working days for the issues to arrive"

No answer to my other two questions (regarding when the next two will arrive, and where the hell my other order is).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 January, 2019, 02:38:07 PM
Well as we suspected, ABC Warriors III runs from Hellbringer book II through to Carlos' Shadow Warriors book I. It's a real shame we've become stuck in this split-volume pattern for this series, but at least they're meaty ol' collections, and this one's a doozy - if nothing else, it's a veritable artistic smorgasboard!

No design foul-ups for once (I've stopped taking that for granted!) but the last page of The Clone Cowboys is still a pixellated low-res version, as it has been in every single printing since it first ran in the prog - guess the original version simply doesn't exist at this point.

Its got the usual great intro and afterword, both of which are frank about the behind-the-scenes backbiting that turned this era of the ABCs into such a curate's egg.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 January, 2019, 12:48:09 PM
Looking at the future release schedule on the wiki and I've just realised that 50% of the unknown issues are Slaine volumes. Assuming all the info on there is correct (some is uncited so who knows) I think it's almost impossible to avoid having 2 months in a row where the delivery contains a Slaine volume.  That or there'll be a Slaine double bill one month (I kinda hope they avoid this as it's nice to have 2 different titles each month).  Wish they'd distributed these a bit more evenly through the run tbh.

I believe the other unknowns are mostly the remaining Strontium Dog books, a couple of ABC and Rogue volumes and Ichabod.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 January, 2019, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: sintec on 19 January, 2019, 12:48:09 PM
Looking at the future release schedule on the wiki and I've just realised that 50% of the unknown issues are Slaine volumes. Assuming all the info on there is correct (some is uncited so who knows) I think it's almost impossible to avoid having 2 months in a row where the delivery contains a Slaine volume.

Oh crumbs, you're right! 16 'unknowns' and 8 Slaine volumes left...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 January, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Pat Mills didn't think it too many!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 January, 2019, 06:24:57 PM
Really, far too many Slaine for my liking. I've got a standing order with my newsagents and wish there was a way to skip Slaine altogether. IMHO there's far too high a proportion. Unless there's an extension I can't help but feel there could have been a bigger cross section of storylines.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 20 January, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
Has anyone had their hachette account updated in January?  They told me that the latest books were going out on the 18th and the account is usually updated at that point, but so far nada.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 January, 2019, 08:33:57 PM
Nothing here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 21 January, 2019, 03:21:36 AM
I'm not so worried about the 8 Sláines, because a) it's the known volumes that I'm more excited about - even the two volumes of Cabalistics, after the epilogue story in the Xmas prog, and b) that's about 1 in 5*, so really there shouldn't even be every other month, except for when there's 3 issues in a month. But will that even affect subscribers when there's only meant to be one order each month?

*forgot about The Horned God, I was thinking it would be more frequent than that, but we've already had 4 books. I suppose they could change the order if there was an extension to separate the Sláine books more, but I doubt they'd do that, when for some people having no Sláine in the post-80 books would probably be a selling point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 January, 2019, 09:37:39 AM
The online portal is now showing my Transformers allocation from 11th January, but still nothing for 2000AD. An oversight or an actual problem I wonder...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2019, 10:53:26 AM
I suspect they're just being shite. I've asked my questions again, publicly and privately. I suspect I'll be ignored again.

EDIT: Amusing, got an answer seconds after typing the above. It is:

"Issue 39 and 40 will be dispatched on the 12/02/2019 ."

So by my reckoning that puts my subscription 11 days behind where it should be. I don't really care now. (I was interested in selling off a chunk of the collection, and so wanted issues early for that, but am now keeping them all.) Even so, it's astonishing that of every publisher that has a publication I subscribe to, this is the only one that can't seem to send books/magazines regularly.

(FWIW, I've been promised replacements for my missing order, which will "arrive by Friday". We'll see...)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2019, 11:24:55 AM
To be fair, they're actually responding quickly today:

QuoteWe are still waiting for new stock to arrive we will send the issues earlier to go back to the proper schedule . there december holidays has delayed the subscription we are working on fixing that .

Long-time subscribers will remember they said exactly the same thing when they delayed everything for the covers volume. Still, who knows? But I'm seeing subscribers online who are already three issues behind getting a mite pissed off that their subscriptions have been delayed further. (I was one issue behind – maw two.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 January, 2019, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2019, 11:24:55 AM
To be fair, they're actually responding quickly today:

QuoteWe are still waiting for new stock to arrive we will send the issues earlier to go back to the proper schedule . there december holidays has delayed the subscription we are working on fixing that .

Long-time subscribers will remember they said exactly the same thing when they delayed everything for the covers volume. Still, who knows? But I'm seeing subscribers online who are already three issues behind getting a mite pissed off that their subscriptions have been delayed further. (I was one issue behind – maw two.)

Oh dear this is not good. As ever, I am not short reading material but GOOD GOOD HACHETTE!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2019, 02:29:55 PM
On the plus side, they're not taking monthly direct debits, and only charge you when they dispatch something. Well, apart from the guy I saw online complaining that Hachette randomly cancelled his direct debit, but carried on sending him stuff, and despite the fact he repeatedly alerted them to the problem, they've now dispatched a debt collection agency.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 January, 2019, 03:27:28 PM
Quote from: athorist on 21 January, 2019, 03:21:36 AM
that's about 1 in 5*, so really there shouldn't even be every other month

It's the distribution of the unknown slots in the schedule that means there'll probably be a back to back Slaine month.  If every 5th book from now was Slaine then it wouldn't occur.  But we already know that we won't see the 6th Slaine volume until at least issue 49 meaning the remaining 8 volumes will all be crammed into the last 32 books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 January, 2019, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2019, 02:29:55 PM
On the plus side, they're not taking monthly direct debits, and only charge you when they dispatch something.
...unlike Eaglemoss who charge in advance and have just taken the next payment for Batman books, the last pair of which are yet to turn up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 21 January, 2019, 06:52:45 PM
Had a reply from my enquiry on Facebook, they've said 35,36,37 and 38 and the next premium gift have been dispatched but will wait until delivery as somehow I doubt it, also online account doesn't show anything for January.

To be fair the service on this collection has made it a chore rather than a joy like the judge dredd collection was
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2019, 07:04:52 PM
I think we got lucky with the Dredd series. It seemed to suffer from relatively few problems, bar the rubbish packaging early one. This one seems par for the course for these things. But having to chase up so often is really beginning to grate. I shudder to think how much all the replacements costs Hachette, too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 22 January, 2019, 12:37:12 AM
Slaine and Dante are my favorite 2000 ad characters and i am glad they are being collected

However i really hope this gets a 10 or 20 volume extension to collect less know series that haven't been collected before
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 22 January, 2019, 07:56:05 AM
I'm against an extension, but purely because they'll start falling off the end of my shelf.  :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 January, 2019, 09:45:30 AM
Finally an entry on the Hachette site with 18th as allocation date. I've shifted my calendar forward assuming this is the new normal. Oh well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2019, 09:52:16 AM
I'm told: "Issue 39 and 40 will be dispatched on the 12/02/2019". [sic]

In a follow-up, I asked what the delay was down to, and was told (and this is baffling if you know how magazine/book distribution usually works):

"We are still waiting for new stock to arrive we will send the issues earlier to go back to the proper schedule . there december holidays has delayed the subscription we are working on fixing that". [sic - again]

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 23 January, 2019, 01:14:47 PM
just got an email from hachette they are looking for 2000AD fans to take part in a focus group  on Thursday 24th January near Oxford Circus from 7;15 to 815pm
In anyone is in the London area & wants to take part you need to email them  at info-hpw@hachettepartworks.co.uk by 5:30pm today (23 January)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 January, 2019, 01:22:00 PM
Quote from: rogue69 on 23 January, 2019, 01:14:47 PM
just got an email from hachette they are looking for 2000AD fans to take part in a focus group  on Thursday 24th January near Oxford Circus from 7;15 to 815pm
In anyone is in the London area & wants to take part you need to email them  at info-hpw@hachettepartworks.co.uk by 5:30pm today (23 January)
Wow! No way I can do that but YES to extension, YES to more Kingdom, YES to Indigo Prime and any other John Smith they can rustle up!
Is this worth sharing other places?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 January, 2019, 01:23:41 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2019, 09:52:16 AM
I'm told: "Issue 39 and 40 will be dispatched on the 12/02/2019". [sic]

"We are still waiting for new stock to arrive we will send the issues earlier to go back to the proper schedule . there december holidays has delayed the subscription we are working on fixing that". [sic - again]

Here's my similar question & unhelpful reply:
QuoteME: with issues 37 and 38 now allocated on 18th rather than 4th will issues 39 & 40 be allocated 28 days from 18th or will you attempt to get back on schedule?
THEM: We are still waiting for the next6 dispatch confirmation once its confirmed we will inform you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2019, 01:29:59 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 23 January, 2019, 01:22:00 PMow! No way I can do that but YES to extension, YES to more Kingdom, YES to Indigo Prime and any other John Smith they can rustle up!
One more Kingdom volume would take us through to what we got in the Prog, right? And I would dearly love to see the Firekind/Leatherjack volume that I won't shut up about. (The series has had other combined tales, and they would fit nicely together. Imagine them both in hardback. Just imagine. MMMMMM.)

Also: short notice. If only they could deliver books that quickly, eh? OHO ETC.

ALSO! Your reply from them neatly contradicts mine. The stock issue is baffling. I've no idea how it all works. How can they at any point be waiting for books that are already in stores (an excuse I've had from them before)? Argh.

If anyone does go to the focus group, please tell them in a polite way to get their shit together and keep subscriptions on schedule, because subscriptions keep these things ticking over. And then barricade the door until they agree to an extension, obv.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2019, 01:47:40 PM
I just started an extension-specific thread, which may prove useful in the event they want some ideas:

https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45652.0

It'd be great if people want to add their thoughts. (I've suggested limiting people to one book, so we don't get a deluge of strips from everyone, and to try and make posters focus a bit!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2019, 09:06:24 PM
Did anyone go to the focus group?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 24 January, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
I went. I'll only talk if Tharg says I can.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 January, 2019, 11:23:05 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 24 January, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
I went. I'll only talk if Tharg says I can.
I'm very pleased you went Robert, I trust your input! I take it there was some kind of NDA, ah well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2019, 11:39:44 AM
I wish I could have gone. I'd have made a FIREKIND FOREVARRR T-shirt and everything. And then probably have been locked out of the room.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 25 January, 2019, 06:59:48 PM
I was invited, but it was about a future figurine range rather than new books, so I took a pass.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2019, 07:15:17 PM
Ah, fair enough. Hard pass on that for me. I'd happily pay for another 40 books or so, but I don't want nor need any figures.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 25 January, 2019, 07:31:30 PM
Ooh are they planning a 2000ad figure range ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cosier on 25 January, 2019, 09:36:24 PM
If they're considering another collection, this one must be selling well enough to make an extension a very real possibility.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 25 January, 2019, 10:48:18 PM
Quote from: moly on 25 January, 2019, 07:31:30 PM
Ooh are they planning a 2000ad figure range ?

Something like the Doctor Who range, maybe?
https://shop.eaglemoss.com/doctor-who-figurines-collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 January, 2019, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: davidbishop on 25 January, 2019, 10:48:18 PM
Quote from: moly on 25 January, 2019, 07:31:30 PM
Ooh are they planning a 2000ad figure range ?

Something like the Doctor Who range, maybe?
https://shop.eaglemoss.com/doctor-who-figurines-collection

PR droids should not post ambiguous rhetorical questions.

Can I take this to mean that Rebellion are planning a range like the Dr Who one or not?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 January, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
Since when is Bishop a PR droid?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 January, 2019, 05:25:48 PM
apologies - I was rather drunk and thought it was Molch-r
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 30 January, 2019, 08:30:35 AM
Well, I've had the latest books and to my pleasant surprise they also sent me 37 & 38, which I'd asked for more in hope than expectation. 

However, my account shows no updates since December.  Concerned that this might cause them to not take my payments and then start chasing me up for them (as I've seen has happened to others) I asked when my account would be updated.  I was told that they are currently migrating accounts to a new system and that it might take 6-8 weeks!!!  Quite incredible really.  How can it possibly take so long to sort out?

I can honestly say I've never seen an organisation that's quite as incompetent as this lot (and I include our current Houses of Parliament).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2019, 09:41:52 AM
I had a payment taken on the 18th for 37/38. This means the books are schedule to arrive before 7 Feb. Presumably, they ship them using actual snails.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 30 January, 2019, 03:05:12 PM
Could moldovangerbil (or anyone else who has received it) please say which stories are included in the just released 'Aquila' volume?
Thank you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 30 January, 2019, 05:15:52 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 30 January, 2019, 03:05:12 PM
Could moldovangerbil (or anyone else who has received it) please say which stories are included in the just released 'Aquila' volume?
Thank you.

Sure.

Prologue
Blood of the Iceni
Quo Vadis, Domine?
Where All Roads Lead
Carnifex
Charon's Mercy
Mors Venetiae
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 30 January, 2019, 05:38:35 PM
Cheers, Moldova! By my reckoning this is everything that has been released so far (and maybe it has a definitive ending in this volume?) I am so glad when all the stories available are included and nothing is omitted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 31 January, 2019, 06:50:37 PM
Anyone else received 35,36,37 and 38 yet, I'm still waiting
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 01 February, 2019, 08:05:08 AM
Quote from: moly on 31 January, 2019, 06:50:37 PM
Anyone else received 35,36,37 and 38 yet, I'm still waiting

Nope, I'm still waiting too. IIRC I got 33 and 34 before Christmas.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 01 February, 2019, 08:31:47 AM
I was told that the transfer of accounts to their new system which apparently will take 6-8 weeks as they have to comply with GDPR would not affect deliveries.  It takes so long as they have to contact customers for permission to transfer some details, apparently (as well). 

Clearly, this seems to be more a matter of pot luck than anything else as I've not heard anybody say they've been contacted and I certainly haven't and yet I've had the books through. 

I'd suggest contacting them through facebook as this, sadly, seems to be the most coherent channel to them and it's patchy at best.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 February, 2019, 10:26:55 AM
35 and 36 arrived just as I was leaving for work this morning.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 01 February, 2019, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: sintec on 01 February, 2019, 10:26:55 AM
35 and 36 arrived just as I was leaving for work this morning.

Mine have arrived too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 01 February, 2019, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: moly on 31 January, 2019, 06:50:37 PM
Anyone else received 35,36,37 and 38 yet, I'm still waiting

Just had 37/38 delivered.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 01 February, 2019, 06:19:28 PM
Had 35 and 36 delivered hopefully 37 and 38 are on their way
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Post by: moly on 01 February, 2019, 06:55:29 PM
Also watch your bank balance the invoice start payment to be collected on or just after the 11/02 checked my bank statement and a payment came out today, hopefully this means 37 and 38 are actually on their way
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Post by: moly on 02 February, 2019, 11:05:58 AM
37,38 delivered
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Post by: moly on 02 February, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
Another delivery halo Jones figure recieved
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Post by: moldovangerbil on 03 February, 2019, 12:56:08 PM
Has anyone who's received issues recently had their hachette account updated at all?  I checked my bank account yesterday and they've not taken anything although they have sent me the books and my hachette account hasn't been updated since December.

I'm just waiting for them to start chasing me for the payment they should have taken...
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Post by: barnesy on 04 February, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
Hi,
I was just wondering about when the Halo Jones figure arrived - for any premium subscribers - I thought mine would arrive with issues 35 and 36.

(I went on the Hachette Managing Subscription page that 'Premium 3' was not sent.)
Just wondering if anyone else received Halo Jones with the 35/36 bundle or if it should arrive with 37/38?
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 04 February, 2019, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: barnesy on 04 February, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
Hi,
I was just wondering about when the Halo Jones figure arrived - for any premium subscribers - I thought mine would arrive with issues 35 and 36.

(I went on the Hachette Managing Subscription page that 'Premium 3' was not sent.)
Just wondering if anyone else received Halo Jones with the 35/36 bundle or if it should arrive with 37/38?
Thanks.
The figurines are supposed to come every 7th delivery (i.e. every 14 books) & the last one came with issues 23/24 (shows in hachette account as PREMIUM 2) so the next one should be due with 37/38.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 February, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
Looks like the Slaine volume that follows The Horned God is indeed called Volume Four, it's listed on the Hachette site now.
Let the grumbling begin!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 February, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
37/38 and payment listed on may account 18 Jan. Attempt at delivery on Friday.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 February, 2019, 05:16:21 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 February, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
Looks like the Slaine volume that follows The Horned God is indeed called Volume Four, it's listed on the Hachette site now.
Let the grumbling begin!

Man, that's stupid.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 February, 2019, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 February, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
Looks like the Slaine volume that follows The Horned God is indeed called Volume Four, it's listed on the Hachette site now.
Let the grumbling begin!

Ugh - that's so idiotic.  At least it's not on the spine where it'd be a really obvious glaring horror.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 February, 2019, 07:26:24 PM
Was wondering whether they should have had numbers and subheadings. But then Horned God would have been called Vol4 and I suspect Hachette didn't want to start a series with yet another number on the front.
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Post by: sintec on 07 February, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
Ace Vol 2 is superb. By far the best of the 80s era comedy strips we've had in the collection so far imo.  Is that the last we're going to see of Bellardinelli in the collection?
If it is then that's a shame as his art is absolutely gorgeous in this.

Dante was also excellent, although maybe not quite as jaw dropping as the previous volume. Looking forwards to seeing where this is going next though, oh and more of that fabulous John Burns art.
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Post by: Fungus on 07 February, 2019, 04:07:56 PM
Glad to hear this view on Ace vol. 2. I got the idea from somewhere that it drops off as it continues. Really looking forward to getting reacquainted with Ace and thd rest - and that mind-boggling detailed art - after all these years.
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Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 February, 2019, 05:00:33 PM
It's been a while since I read the strip, but Ace Trucking always benefitted from the art. However, the scripts were pretty strong, too (more so than, say, Robo-Hunter for me), mostly due to being outright bonkers. However, after what's covered in this second volume, it goes downhill at speed, and becomes rather tiresome until the admittedly superb ending in one of the annuals (which has gorgeous painted art). Stopping where it does in this collection is a smart move, to my mind, even if you do miss out on that lush slice of Bellardinelli.
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Post by: sintec on 07 February, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
For me the scripts in this volume were top quality, better than some of the material in Vol 1. Evil Blood is a great villain and the rest of the crew also really shine in these stories. I'm very glad they took the editorial decision not to print the revival stuff as it's great to see it off on a high (although it's a massive shame to loose the painted Bellardinelli art).

This is head and shoulders above any of the Robo-hunter we've had so far.  Imo those have been the weakest volumes of the collection so far, they've really not aged well at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 08 February, 2019, 05:11:02 AM
Quote from: sintec on 07 February, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
.... head and shoulders above any of the Robo-hunter we've had so far.  Imo those have been the weakest volumes of the collection so far, they've really not aged well at all.

TBH I always struggled with Robo-Hunter after Verdus.  A great idea that just somehow never seemed to fully work.  The less said about Millar's run the better ....  Slade's love affair with his Robo-meter?
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Post by: Arkady on 08 February, 2019, 07:38:51 AM
Anyone else's copy of the latest Dante pretty blurry in the first 3rd of the book?

I thought the war part of the story felt rushed, as is somewhat explained in the essay. The following stories... just didn't feel very good to me. A drop-off in quality compared to the previous volts.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 08 February, 2019, 07:39:17 AM
*volumes!
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Post by: moogie101 on 08 February, 2019, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 08 February, 2019, 07:38:51 AM
Anyone else's copy of the latest Dante pretty blurry in the first 3rd of the book?

I thought the war part of the story felt rushed, as is somewhat explained in the essay. The following stories... just didn't feel very good to me. A drop-off in quality compared to the previous volts.

My book isn't blurry at all.

Whilst clearly rushed I still enjoyed the end of the war, certainly a lot more than the  stories that followed it which were like the lighter stories in Book One that I wasn't a fan of.
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Post by: abelardsnazz on 13 February, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Collected Robo Hunter volume 3 from my local Thrill-merchant this morning. To my surprise there was a copy of The Horned God attached. An enclosed note says there was a small misprint on the spine which this copy corrects. This happened before with one of the Nemesis volumes, didn't it? I'm not sure if I would have noticed or been too bothered if I had, but there it is.
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Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 February, 2019, 01:25:41 PM
Another Sláine book. Hachette didn't think it too many.

(I wonder if they'll reissue the books with the messed-up end papers. I know they asked people to respond to them about that, and therefore may avoid reissuing on the basis that hardly anyone bothered.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 February, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 08 February, 2019, 07:38:51 AM
Anyone else's copy of the latest Dante pretty blurry in the first 3rd of the book?

Yeah, mine's the same. A little hard to read some of the dialogue at first glance. I had this in another of the volumes - can't for the life of me remember which one now, though! Like a minor misalignment of colour plates during the printing process.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 13 February, 2019, 03:05:47 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 13 February, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Collected Robo Hunter volume 3 from my local Thrill-merchant this morning. To my surprise there was a copy of The Horned God attached. An enclosed note says there was a small misprint on the spine which this copy corrects. This happened before with one of the Nemesis volumes, didn't it? I'm not sure if I would have noticed or been too bothered if I had, but there it is.

Interesting. Mine is definitely off compared to Slaine vol.3.
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Post by: Tomwe on 13 February, 2019, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 13 February, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Collected Robo Hunter volume 3 from my local Thrill-merchant this morning. To my surprise there was a copy of The Horned God attached. An enclosed note says there was a small misprint on the spine which this copy corrects. This happened before with one of the Nemesis volumes, didn't it? I'm not sure if I would have noticed or been too bothered if I had, but there it is.
Wow that's amazing news. I pointed it out to them on FB when Slaine v3 landed but there was never an official reply to say it was being fixed. Brill.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 February, 2019, 12:28:30 AM
Meanwhile I have still been ignored regarding War on the Streets in Dredd after they said there was no fault.

Regarding Robo Hunter Volume 3, this was in my opinion about the best of them, the others were very much a product of their time and I'm glad they're not printing the relaunch.  However, there's still a ton of Slaine to go through.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 February, 2019, 10:56:44 AM
Well I wasn't expecting that; issues 37 and 38 just dropped through the letterbox. Seems Hachette have decided not to let subscribers slip further off the release schedule after last months delays.  Of course that means many of us are still going to be about a month behind the shops but it was looking like it was going to slip to nearly 2 months behind for a while there so it could be worse.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 February, 2019, 02:20:18 PM
I was told my 39 and 40 were to be dispatched on the 12th. No account activity, unsurprisingly, mind.
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Post by: Mattofthespurs on 16 February, 2019, 03:19:22 PM
Got the Halo Jones figurine today (which is thankfully undamaged considering it shipped in a box 4 times bigger than the figure with no packing) but no books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Judgedreddrocks on 16 February, 2019, 03:33:19 PM
If anyone is selling the halo figure, give me a shout
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 16 February, 2019, 09:49:32 PM
Quote from: Judgedreddrocks on 16 February, 2019, 03:33:19 PM
If anyone is selling the halo figure, give me a shout

There's one on ebay for £99, and now I regret not getting the premium subscription.

If no-one's got one here, might be worth putting a bid in
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 18 February, 2019, 12:12:26 PM
37 and 38 arrived this morning :)
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Post by: Geoff on 19 February, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Got my Halo this weekend too! Never thought there'd be a Halo Jones figure.  I don't know much about figurines, but I think she's great. Reasonable likeness and the clothes are a very good fit with the art. (Not for sale, sorry..) 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pale fire on 21 February, 2019, 06:14:06 AM
I guess one of the things that's a bit of a shame about the disrupted subscriptions is that the discussion on here is a bit scattered, as we're all on different issues.

I've just finished Bad company - really enjoyed that a lot. I liked the weirdness and the humour and the zombo like death toll which kept you on the edge of the seat wondering who would get picked off next.

I've now got the stront dog, Dante and ace trucking books in my to read pile, having opted to try and pace myself to the one a fortnight release schedule (and then, hooray, getting the most recent batch sooner than expected - hopefully they've sorted their systems now...)

In the meantime I picked up a bundle of Dredd mega collection books from the market. I'm enjoying them alright and for a fiver each they're a bit of a bargain. But I'm not so keen on the relentlessly bleak tone (in comparison to the variety in this collection).

Particularly enjoyed Kingdom 2 and am really looking forward to reading more Dante. Aquilla sounds interesting too (tho I've not got that delivered yet) and I'm looking forward to the conclusion of Shakira. I enjoyed the first book loads.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 February, 2019, 12:09:50 PM
Incidentally, for anyone who was expecting 39/40 mid-month, I just got a reply:

QuoteIssue 39/40 were dispatched on the 22/02/2019. issues are in transit allow 7-14 days for the issues to arrive .

We apologize with the delay issue 40 was out of stock .
This puts my own subscription 25 days delayed this year alone, and we're less than two months in. That's... quite the 'achievement' for any subscription service.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 February, 2019, 12:26:08 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 February, 2019, 12:09:50 PM
Incidentally, for anyone who was expecting 39/40 mid-month, I just got a reply:

QuoteIssue 39/40 were dispatched on the 22/02/2019. issues are in transit allow 7-14 days for the issues to arrive .

We apologize with the delay issue 40 was out of stock .
This puts my own subscription 25 days delayed this year alone, and we're less than two months in. That's... quite the 'achievement' for any subscription service.

Has everyone had the same delay? I haven't asked but am likely in the same boat as IndigoPrime as those are the issues I'm expecting. For those not expecting #40 was there also a delay?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 February, 2019, 01:15:12 PM
I asked about 41/42. Under my original subscription, they should be dispatched on 1 March. If they were dispatched four weeks after 39/40,  it'd be 22 March. Seems they're going for in-between:

QuoteThe next dispatch is on and around the 10-15 march

So the 2018 holiday delay is now permanent and that they'd realign subs was another broken promise, but the latest delay is an unintentional blip. Possibly. I won't be surprised if I'm contacting them on 26 March, asking where my books are. (I couldn't really give a stuff about 39/40 either, but am really looking forward to 41/42, hence my hope they wouldn't be so heavily delayed. Alas...)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 26 February, 2019, 04:01:39 PM

QuoteWe apologize with the delay issue 40 was out of stock .
How can they be out of stock of an issue before it's even sent to subscribers? Where are these books going? How many are they printing?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 February, 2019, 07:11:16 PM
God knows, and I've no idea why books are "out of stock" for subscribers. My guess is they aren't getting them in early, and so have to delay subscriptions until the point the second book in a batch would be heading to wholesalers, but that might be off. The whole thing's a bit nutty. It's also notable that many of their books instantly go into out of stock when released, but then mostly (but not always) go back to standard sale a few days after the off-sale date in newsagents; on that basis, they must be on 'sale or return', with Hachette, trying to get the balance right regarding an optimum number of copies. (This obviously isn't an issue for subscribers, but could be in future for cherry-pickers.)
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Post by: abelardsnazz on 27 February, 2019, 12:45:56 PM
Their site is showing issues 37-39 out of stock and only a few left of 40. From a Thrill-merchant order point of view, I think every issue has arrived on time, following a few misses with the Dredd collection. You subscribers have my sympathies, and in the hope of you receiving issue 40 soon, it contains:

The High King
The Jealousy of Niamh
Demon Killer
Queen of Witches
The Return of the High King
The Name of the Sword
Lord of Misrule
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 February, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if 37–40 show up as in-stock soon, once the returns make their way back. That happened with Transformers recently. (I panicked, and ended up having to go to bloody Reading for City of Fear. Then of course it showed up on the Hachette website the next day.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: djbawbag on 27 February, 2019, 09:22:02 PM
Any word on issue 42 yet?
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Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 February, 2019, 10:03:12 PM
Quote from: djbawbag on 27 February, 2019, 09:22:02 PM
Any word on issue 42 yet?

If you mean 'What's it going to be?' - [spoiler]Nemesis IV[/spoiler].
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 28 February, 2019, 06:35:57 AM
My Halo arrived yesterday. Almost had a heart attack when I saw the box, it was pretty beat up and I was expecting the worst but it was actually fine. Really wish they'd send them in more appropriate packaging. Figurine is absolutely beautiful. I'm so happy I went with the premium sub.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 March, 2019, 01:10:38 PM
The next unknown issue is 49. With no more Slaine for the next 8 issues, and with 8 more volumes of him to come, it looks like there'll be on average one Slaine volume out of every 4 for the last 30 issues. Hmmm....although I am looking forward to all the art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 March, 2019, 05:47:47 PM
I haven't even burst the seal on my Slaine Volume IV yet, I just can't muster up the excitement for it as I've mentioned many times that Slaine ain't my cup of tea.  Plus there's the fact that I'm reading two crime novels and a naval fiction novel and just finished watching two seasons of Dark Matter on DVD all on much the same timeline.  I guess I want to finish some stuff before starting something new.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 05 March, 2019, 05:02:18 PM
Have any subscribers had the issues that were supposedly sent out on or about 22nd Feb yet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 March, 2019, 05:16:16 PM
Nope. But then their terms give them until 14 March to show up (7–14 business days, because apparently they're sent by snail).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 06 March, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
Just got my copies of 39 & 40 (confusingly they also sent 38, which they'd sent in Feb), but my account still shows no entries since December. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 07 March, 2019, 12:47:17 AM
Just finished Slaine volume 4, and here we are already at the point where it becomes a beautifully drawn, exposition heavy turgid chore. Are there REALLY 13 volumes of this?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 March, 2019, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 07 March, 2019, 12:47:17 AM
Just finished Slaine volume 4, and here we are already at the point where it becomes a beautifully drawn, exposition heavy turgid chore. Are there REALLY 13 volumes of this?
At least it is actually volume 5 so there are eight left to go not nine...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 March, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 07 March, 2019, 12:47:17 AM
Just finished Slaine volume 4, and here we are already at the point where it becomes a beautifully drawn, exposition heavy turgid chore. Are there REALLY 13 volumes of this?

Yup, it seems a colossal amount, but the numbers do work out (this is based on trying to roughly fit the existing Rebellion volumes into the Hachette pagecounts) -

Vol 1 - Warriors Dawn
Vol 2 - Time Killer
Vol 3 - Slaine the King
Vol 4 - Horned God
Vol 5 - Demon Killer, Lord Of Misrule

Vol 6 -  Treasures Of Britain (136)
Vol 7 - The Grail War (176)
Vol 8 - Lord Of The Beasts (256)
Vol 9 - Book Of Invasions 1 (112), Book Of Invasions 2 (112) = 224
Vol 10 - Book Of Invasions 3 (128), The Wanderer (128) = 256
Vol 11 - Book Of Scars (192)
Vol 12 - Brutania 1 (112), Brutania 2 (112) = 224
Vol 13 - Brutania 3 (101), Brutania 4 (96) = 197
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 March, 2019, 10:08:28 AM
Be mindful that a massive chunk of the Rebellion Scars book is a Sláine art volume – only a smallish amount of it is strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 March, 2019, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 March, 2019, 10:08:28 AM
Be mindful that a massive chunk of the Rebellion Scars book is a Sláine art volume – only a smallish amount of it is strip.

That's a good point. I mean they could easily split the Books of Invasion differently and then stick 'The Wanderer', which is unrelated to BoI anyway, in with Book of Scars -

Vol 9 - BoI I (Moloch, Golamh, Scota)
Vol 10 - BoI II (Tara, Odacon, Carnivale)
Vol 11 - The Wanderer, Book of Scars

Think I might prefer that anyway, to be honest. Then you've got volume 10 ending on that beautiful splash page by Langley and the emotive caption to the effect of 'And so, Slaine left Ireland for ever.' I could happily call it quits and pretend the saga finished there!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 07 March, 2019, 10:21:37 AM
The sheer amount of Slaine is the one downside of this collection. At least there is some gorgeous art in there to compensate
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 07 March, 2019, 01:45:48 PM
I found myself in FP a couple of days ago thumbing through Book of Scars. I'm no great fan of Slaine and may eventually pick up the first - or first three - volumes. Comments here are confirming how I feel about later stuff. Book of Scars on the other hand, does appeal...

Anyway, point is: why wouldn't Book of Scars merit a volume? Even if non-strip?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 07 March, 2019, 02:04:15 PM
Hachette have really outdone themselves this time, instead of getting issues 39/40 they just randomly sent me a copy of issue 20 instead.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 March, 2019, 10:21:08 AM
So have any subscribers managed to get the reprinted Horned God yet? When I chased my last delivery I asked about it, but as ever they ignored the second part of my question. I should learn never to do that. I've now asked again specifically for the reprinted #1 to be sent but no reply yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 08 March, 2019, 10:28:52 AM
I'm still struggling to get them to update my account (last update 7 Dec last year).  Once (if) I ever win that battle then I plan to tackle them about the Horned God.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 08 March, 2019, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 07 March, 2019, 01:45:48 PM
I found myself in FP a couple of days ago thumbing through Book of Scars. I'm no great fan of Slaine and may eventually pick up the first - or first three - volumes. Comments here are confirming how I feel about later stuff. Book of Scars on the other hand, does appeal...

Anyway, point is: why wouldn't Book of Scars merit a volume? Even if non-strip?
I've noticed generally Hachette tend to avoid non-comic material in their books aside from cover galleries and their exclusive content, which is why text stories usually aren't reprinted in either the 2000AD or Transformers collections.

I believe, aside from the strip, most of Book of Scars is a cover gallery with commentary. As most of the books tend to include the covers as standard, along with the subscriber cover volumes, they'll probably skip it and just reprint the strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 March, 2019, 03:55:32 PM
My 39 and 40 showed up today. Looking forward to 41 and 42 whenever Hachette deign to send them out. (I never got a response to that query.)

Still: halfway through. And I still have most of my sanity.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 March, 2019, 08:39:17 AM
Er, so 41 and 42 just arrived, three days after 39 and 40. Bit odd. I'm not complaining, mind. Part two of Shakara and Vol 4 of Nemesis. Nice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 March, 2019, 08:45:12 AM
Nice volume. Hammer of Warlocks, Book X and the Prog 2000 epilogue. But that's only a third of the book, so we also get Warlocks & Wizards, Deadlock, A Day in the Death of Torquemada, The Tomb of Torquemada, Torquemada's Second Honeymoon (in greyscale, alas – the one niggle in this collection on a flick through), and Forbidden Planet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 March, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 March, 2019, 08:39:17 AM
Er, so 41 and 42 just arrived, three days after 39 and 40. Bit odd. I'm not complaining, mind. Part two of Shakara and Vol 4 of Nemesis. Nice.
Weird! Hope I get mine too...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 March, 2019, 09:46:01 AM
I don't hold out much hope for me getting the next set on 8 April, but this month's books are well within the original schedule. (They should have been dispatched on 1 March, to arrive on or before the end of this week, assuming the 7–14 days Hachette usually states – although they sometimes go for 7–14 working days.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 March, 2019, 02:01:03 PM
Yup! They're here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 11 March, 2019, 02:56:36 PM
Did 'The Enigmass Variations' (Progs 723-729) make it into Nemesis vol.4?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 March, 2019, 02:59:22 PM
Yeah – sorry. That entire run is in there, so Prog 700, and 723–729.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 12 March, 2019, 08:51:18 PM
Well having received 39 & 40 last week & with issue 41 not out yet (although due out tomorrow) I guess that's most people basically brought unexpectedly up to date, even if it's only for a day or two?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 12 March, 2019, 10:50:36 PM
no tubular hells :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 March, 2019, 10:53:05 PM
That's in there, assuming you're talking about the final episode that ran in Prog 2000.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 13 March, 2019, 04:00:24 PM
sorry i got confused since both final episodes of nemesis ended up in a prog 2000 xd
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goronwy on 13 March, 2019, 06:50:10 PM
This is something I've been meaning to ask a learned person (as I'm relatively new to all this) – am I right in thinking there are Year Specials that are named "Prog WhateverYearItIs"?

If so, what is the convention for differentiating between e.g. Prog 2005 and Prog 2005?

A sensible solution would've been to put "AD" after the number if it's a Year Special. So Prog 2005 would be the 2005th issue, whereas Prog 2005AD would be the Year Special for the year 2005.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 March, 2019, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 13 March, 2019, 06:50:10 PM
This is something I've been meaning to ask a learned person (as I'm relatively new to all this) – am I right in thinking there are Year Specials that are named "Prog WhateverYearItIs"?

Yes. When it was the Millenium, we were in the late 1100s with the prog, so it wasn't an issue! Obviously the prog soon caught up with the year!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goronwy on 13 March, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
Ah right. Weirdly short-sighted of them even so!

And do they still do these Year Specials, or were they short lived..?

'Cos I mean every year up to (so far) 2122 will already have a Prog with that number!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 13 March, 2019, 07:58:43 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 13 March, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
Ah right. Weirdly short-sighted of them even so!

And do they still do these Year Specials, or were they short lived..?


Not weird. When they did Prog 2000, literally no one in the business had had any confidence the comic would make it to the year 2000 at all. The fact that it did is down to John Tomlinson, David Bishop and Andy Diggle. For all the things people can criticise about their various tenures as Tharg, that one fact is incontrovertible and the Squaxx owe them a debt of gratitude.

The tradition of Prog [YEAR] probably continued a bit longer than it should, but now we still get a bumper December prog, just with the normal numbering.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Goronwy on 13 March, 2019, 09:16:58 PM
I see, that answers my question Jim_Campbell – nowadays they do a bumper Christmas prog with normal numbering. So the year confusion only applies to a handful of issues. Fair enough. Thanks for explaining.

Perhaps "weird" was the wrong word for me to use. What I meant was that it looks like a tacit admission by those in charge that the comic would likely never reach Prog 2000. Which, as you say, was not an unreasonable prediction at the time, but seems (especially in retrospect) a sadly pessimistic stance for the comic itself to implicitly endorse. Kind of shows you how rocky things were.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 13 March, 2019, 09:42:52 PM
There were sixteen irregularly-numbered issues, #2000 to 2015, in 1999 to 2014.

Jim makes a very good point. I've been quite scathing about Bishop's tenure as editor in the past,* but he did save the prog by keeping it going for long enough to end up in safe hands.

* I liked his Dredd novels though, especially The Savage Amusement.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 March, 2019, 09:44:31 AM
Iconic Durham Red cover for Stronts vol Five (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/strontium-dog-volume-five)

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/31655d6c-b360-4422-b4a1-1791a912eae4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 March, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
That's a very plain background. Interesting also on their site how many recent issues are OOS. I'm also a bit annoyed that I haven't yet been sent the much-loved thrill Classic Routemaster 37, despite it having been released in October: https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection?page=3

(That said, those photostrips were always a bit duff.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 March, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
Also, Facebook page today finally confirmed they would send me the reprinted issue 1 / vol 32. No details if it was going to everyone automatically.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 14 March, 2019, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 March, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
That's a very plain background. Interesting also on their site how many recent issues are OOS. I'm also a bit annoyed that I haven't yet been sent the much-loved thrill Classic Routemaster 37, despite it having been released in October: https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection?page=3

(That said, those photostrips were always a bit duff.)

Looks like there'll be some Brit-Cit stories in that one. As we've had Armitage and Lion's Den in the Dredd collection, does this mean we're finally getting The Straitjacket Fits?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 March, 2019, 02:51:25 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 March, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
That's a very plain background.

I like the way that both collections put a single image on a plain white background - I find they're particularly good for scanning to transfer on to a T-shirt, especially the black, whit & red Dredd ones!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 14 March, 2019, 06:41:19 PM
Has everyone had a payment collected in March yet ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 March, 2019, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 14 March, 2019, 02:51:25 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 March, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
That's a very plain background.

I like the way that both collections put a single image on a plain white background - I find they're particularly good for scanning to transfer on to a T-shirt, especially the black, whit & red Dredd ones!

Just realised I'm talking out my arse there, it's only the Dredd one that always does it, that Durham Red one is a rarity for the twoth collection.

sorry, my bad -I'll let you all go back to the regular subscription woes now...  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 14 March, 2019, 07:55:41 PM
Love the early Langley artwork in lord of misrule.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 15 March, 2019, 12:02:35 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 13 March, 2019, 07:58:43 PM
Quote from: Goronwy on 13 March, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
Ah right. Weirdly short-sighted of them even so!

And do they still do these Year Specials, or were they short lived..?


Not weird. When they did Prog 2000, literally no one in the business had had any confidence the comic would make it to the year 2000 at all. The fact that it did is down to John Tomlinson, David Bishop and Andy Diggle. For all the things people can criticise about their various tenures as Tharg, that one fact is incontrovertible and the Squaxx owe them a debt of gratitude.

The tradition of Prog [YEAR] probably continued a bit longer than it should, but now we still get a bumper December prog, just with the normal numbering.

Jim, I think you mean make it to the Prog that would be numbered 2000 according to the sequential scheme. The original year end special Prog 2000 came out in December 1999.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 15 March, 2019, 08:18:09 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 15 March, 2019, 12:02:35 AM
Jim, I think you mean make it to the Prog that would be numbered 2000 according to the sequential scheme. The original year end special Prog 2000 came out in December 1999.

No. I meant exactly what I said — there was a very strong feeling amongst those in the industry during the second half of the 90s that the whole "what will 2000AD be called in the year 2000" debate was wildly optimistic and that the title would either be cancelled or turned into some kind of zombie version of itself, reprinting old material.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 March, 2019, 08:44:00 AM
Quote from: Super Mario on 14 March, 2019, 07:55:41 PM
Love the early Langley artwork in lord of misrule.

Aye, he turns up at the end of the volume as an absolute hero. The artwork gets darker, muddier and harder to decipher as the book goes on and then Langley appears and we can actually see what's happening! And what's more, he actually draws Nest to look like Nest, and not that blonde impostor we've been dumped with since The Horned God.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 16 March, 2019, 10:15:26 AM
Yes, just this week though. Books should arrive next week. I'm two weeks behind everyone else.


Quote from: moly on 14 March, 2019, 06:41:19 PM
Has everyone had a payment collected in March yet ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 16 March, 2019, 11:00:01 AM
Rara Avis cheers it's finally been taken was concerned as ages since the last payment was collected and was concerned they had cocked up
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 16 March, 2019, 04:05:27 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 16 March, 2019, 10:15:26 AM
Yes, just this week though. Books should arrive next week. I'm two weeks behind everyone else.


Quote from: moly on 14 March, 2019, 06:41:19 PM
Has everyone had a payment collected in March yet ?

Not everyone.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 March, 2019, 08:11:03 AM
Robo-hunter vol 3: I think someone upthread said this was the best of Robo-hunter and they weren't wrong.  The 3 stories in this volume are really rather good - after vol2 I wasn't expecting to enjoy this one at all so this came as a pleasent surprise.  Sam was on top form and Hoagy and Stoogie seemed less annnoying than normal, the episode with Sam stuck in the chair was a truly superb piece of writing.  Very glad we won't be seeing the Millar era material, having read some of his contributions to the Mega Collection from around this era I can imagine the train wreck and have no desire to actually read it.  Much better to let this one end on a high point here.

Slaine vol 4: ignoring the irritation that this is volume 5 and all the remaining Slaine vols are now going to be misnamed (top work Hachette, you get a really slow clap for that one) this was also surprisingly enjoyable.  The art suffered from some 90s sludgyness in places, which was a shame, Langley was a definite breath of fresh air in that last story. Pat does get a bit heavy handed with the anti-authority message at points (the worst offender being that 1 off, was it The Return Of The High King? which is basically just Pat on a soap box for a couple of pages). Where you could see what was going on the art was epic and really made these stories work. Actually looking forward to seeing where the goddess is sending Slaine next, which was a surprise as I'd set expectations for this book quite low based on discussions here. I'm a sucker for that style of fantasy art though. Give me plenty of gore, some weird monstrosities and some scantily clad ladies and I'm happy (it might not be PC but tbh I don't really care, it looks great)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 18 March, 2019, 09:44:10 AM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 12 March, 2019, 08:51:18 PM
Well having received 39 & 40 last week & with issue 41 not out yet (although due out tomorrow) I guess that's most people basically brought unexpectedly up to date, even if it's only for a day or two?

I'd fallen behind like a lot of people, with the payment for 35-36 being taken on 18 Jan and not arriving until 01 February. I took a chance and repeated an old trick, back-ordering 37-38 on 07 February and they arrived on the 15th. Payment for 39-40 was then taken on 01 March and they arrived on the 11th. So I've caught up by a couple of weeks, but judging by the discussion here I wonder whether that would have happened anyway... and I'm still likely to be a month behind the shops by the time I get 41-42.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 March, 2019, 09:57:11 AM
Quote from: sintec on 18 March, 2019, 08:11:03 AMVery glad we won't be seeing the Millar era material, having read some of his contributions to the Mega Collection from around this era I can imagine the train wreck and have no desire to actually read it.
It's dreadful tosh, which feels like a 15-year-old writer trying to be edgy. The art is at least quite nice, but the script driving it is cliched and offensive on all kinds of levels (regularly dipping into misogyny and homophobia, as Millar and sometimes Morrison seemed to enjoy doing back then, not understanding that satire doesn't mean being the thing you're trying to satirise). It not being included is a very good thing. That said, I'd have been happy to see the Hogan/Hughes stuff in this collection. That was much better on the whole.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 March, 2019, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: sintec on 18 March, 2019, 08:11:03 AM
Actually looking forward to seeing where the goddess is sending Slaine next, which was a surprise as I'd set expectations for this book quite low based on discussions here.

Yeah, the Demon Killer arc was superb. Really interesting to contrast it with the same events and characters touched on in Aquila (previous volume), where I didn't feel like I really got to know Boudicca at all, or understand her motivations. Pat gave us a really complete exploration of her campaign and I felt really invested - and Elfric was campy fun, great to see him get another outing. The Lord of Misrule arc feels a bit less essential (and quite a bit preachier!) but still fairly enjoyable.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 18 March, 2019, 11:40:26 AM
It's always a surprise when the payment comes out. They took none in Jan or Dec and then two the following month. There's no set date when it'll be taken and some subscribers are already getting their books before they've even taken the money off me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 March, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
The funny thing is they once claimed to me they couldn't bump my Dredd sub to earlier in the schedule encase they were not authorised to take more than one DD in a calendar month. (Hogwash, of course.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 18 March, 2019, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 March, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
The funny thing is they once claimed to me they couldn't bump my Dredd sub to earlier in the schedule encase they were not authorised to take more than one DD in a calendar month. (Hogwash, of course.)

Interrupted my own question on this. Isn't the Direct Debit Guarantee thing very particular about detail, setting which day of the month, to protect all parties? Taking double payments, even if they've gotten behind, when it suits them, sounds borderline illegal...

As a non-subscriber, this thread has a morbid fascination  :o

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 March, 2019, 12:56:46 PM
The hachette subs pages have finally updated with an entry. For 1st March. None for Feb. Actually, 1st of March puts it back on the original track before there was any delay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 21 March, 2019, 12:32:33 PM
Has anyone got a corrected spine copy of The Horned God yet? I requested one around the same time I asked them to replace issues 39 and 40. No sign of 39/40 yet but I did just get replacement for Horned God. Only problem is it's another faulty version. Looks like it was ripped straight off the card backing board too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 March, 2019, 12:54:49 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 21 March, 2019, 12:32:33 PM
Has anyone got a corrected spine copy of The Horned God yet? I requested one around the same time I asked them to replace issues 39 and 40. No sign of 39/40 yet but I did just get replacement for Horned God. Only problem is it's another faulty version. Looks like it was ripped straight off the card backing board too.
Nothing here yet. I'll post if one ever turns up, their last comment to me on the matter was:
Quote
Issue i reprinted is now available , we have sent you a replacement allow 7-14 days for this issue to arrive.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 22 March, 2019, 07:38:25 PM
Bad Company is so good. First time I've read it. Hope the next volume comes quickly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 March, 2019, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: Super Mario on 22 March, 2019, 07:38:25 PM
Bad Company is so good. First time I've read it. Hope the next volume comes quickly.

I think it's due ~July this year.  Of course that will mean different things depending on whether you're a postal subscriber or if you pick yours up from a local thrill merchant
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 24 March, 2019, 08:12:17 PM
Post, but I really don't keep track of when they're due so it's always a nice surprise when they show up. The Shakara gap has been painful.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 25 March, 2019, 11:00:50 PM
Quote from: Super Mario on 24 March, 2019, 08:12:17 PM
Post, but I really don't keep track of when they're due so it's always a nice surprise when they show up. The Shakara gap has been painful.

I re-read Shakara vol 1 a few months ago, and I'm still waiting. The worst part is that I didn't even know it was two volumes, I think they were a bit sneaky in not making that clear for one of the first issues. (Which I think is also the reason why The Horned God didn't get a volume number, aside from starting with volume 4).

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2019, 08:42:48 AM
It's the nature of artworks. The first Marvel one did this all the time, and had a number of other relative flaws, including some pretty skinny volumes. (They did one thing I wish 2000 AD and the Dredd books had done, though – catch-up pages when there were gaps in the story.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 26 March, 2019, 07:10:25 PM
Really impressed by Nemesis the Warlock vol 4. I think it's all in there - poster prog, Tubular Hells, Deadlock, Forbidden Planet etc. A truly stunning volume. Was Torq's second honeymoon from Annual 1988 always in b&w?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2019, 07:15:03 PM
No. The one minor blip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 27 March, 2019, 01:57:20 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 26 March, 2019, 07:10:25 PM
Really impressed by Nemesis the Warlock vol 4. I think it's all in there - poster prog, Tubular Hells, Deadlock, Forbidden Planet etc. A truly stunning volume. Was Torq's second honeymoon from Annual 1988 always in b&w?


Official release date on the Hachette website is today, and was down to last four remaining copies by half past midnight - was there a really low print-run, or is this just a really popular volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 March, 2019, 09:52:46 AM
Judging by this and other partworks, the print runs are now lower, presumably due to far fewer shops stocking the books. I'd recommend that anyone who wants the books buys them immediately (through Hachette or Forbidden Planet, say) now, rather than wait. I made that mistake with a Transformers one recently, resulting in a set of fraught emails to various comic shops, and then having to go to Reading to pick up a copy one of my local stores had managed to source.

I had to go to Reading. Do not make that mistake yourself, readers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 March, 2019, 09:56:52 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 March, 2019, 09:52:46 AM
I had to go to Reading. Do not make that mistake yourself, readers.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/8c/8c8aedd92585510110c3e8fc388761e0cae64bf236254a720fa278302209679d.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 27 March, 2019, 11:15:10 AM
Also the books seem to be showing up as low on stock/out of stock whilst there going out to subscribers which for the current mess will be taking ages. The books I got this month were 37 & 38 which a lot of people got ages ago and I subscribed when the Horned God was in the shops I've just not made a fuss because I'm not really that fussed about when I get the books. Looking through the website I see a lot of the ultimate collection that's been out of stock at one point back in stock now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 March, 2019, 11:32:32 AM
My guess is these books are on sale or return. And so when stockists can't shift them, they have the option to send them back, which then replenishes the stock on the Hachette website. Fulfilment to subscribers is presumably taken into account throughout. (If Hachette started saying "sorry, but we ran out" to subscribers, that would be the end of partworks.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 27 March, 2019, 02:34:19 PM
Speaking of physical shops, as IP did - I had a jaunt around Mega-City Comics, Gosh!, Orbital and Forbidden Planet on Saturday and didn't see any volumes in any of those shops (and only one or two volumes of JD Mega-Collection in FP).  So I resorted to the Hachette website, discovered I was a few days off of all four volumes of Nem being available (I'd actually only been looking for Volume 1) and practiced patience :-)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 27 March, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
p.s. Volume 4 is now out of stock - wonder if that's because I mentioned it being low?  Feeling that Owen Krysler prediction quandary :-)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 27 March, 2019, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 27 March, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
p.s. Volume 4 is now out of stock - wonder if that's because I mentioned it being low?  Feeling that Owen Krysler prediction quandary :-)

Eek! No good deed...  :-\

These (perhaps temporary...) Out Of Stock messages have affected my own cherry-picking policy, recently. Nem. vol. 4 arrived from FP this morning, at least. Where Hachette is concerned, assume the worst!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 March, 2019, 05:10:54 PM
Orbital told me they could get the Transformers series in and do generally order that. So that's perhaps an option. But I'd strongly advise people who want specific issues to start ordering them from somewhere, rather than chancing it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 28 March, 2019, 10:49:21 AM
I'm convinced now that corrected copies of issue 1 don't actually exist. Second replacement was, once again, a standard retail version with the wrong spine. At this point it barely seems worth asking for another just for one tiny section of the spine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 March, 2019, 12:02:09 PM
The spine's all over the place anyway. I rather wish they'd ditch the spine art on these collections, and have have really nice spines that say what the stories are inside. Yes, that'd probably lead to more cherry-picking, but it'd be better for the reader.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 28 March, 2019, 12:13:35 PM
Yeah. Perfect compromise would be the titles of each vol on the spine, no big artwork piece, but keep the numbers at the top. At least all the Marvel and 2000ad collections have lovely commissioned artwork unlike the Transformers one, just a bunch of stock Dreamwave artwork thrown together.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 March, 2019, 02:16:05 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 28 March, 2019, 12:13:35 PM
Yeah. Perfect compromise would be the titles of each vol on the spine, no big artwork piece, but keep the numbers at the top. At least all the Marvel and 2000ad collections have lovely commissioned artwork unlike the Transformers one, just a bunch of stock Dreamwave artwork thrown together.
Nothing appeared here either since they said it was going to be sent. Why were people saying they got one attached to their regular retail issue then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 March, 2019, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 28 March, 2019, 12:13:35 PMYeah. Perfect compromise would be the titles of each vol on the spine, no big artwork piece, but keep the numbers at the top.
I keep wondering if there's a home-brew option: design and print some spines to stick on to existing volumes. But I suspect there's nothing that's waterproof and that wouldn't frankly look a bit shite.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 28 March, 2019, 04:33:33 PM
I'm planning on getting the 4 nemesis books rebound as one omnibus. Leeds based Hollingworth & Moss cost about £27 for a hardcover printed book. They send you sizes and you can send your own artwork. Postage is extra but I've been really pleased with previous bindings. Adele who oversees new business is friendly. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 28 March, 2019, 05:03:49 PM
I 2nd the Hollingworth and Moss route.

They are quality binders.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 March, 2019, 05:07:50 PM
ooh, that's a nice idea - I'm thinking a 3 volume (9 book) Dante collection...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 March, 2019, 06:35:24 PM
geez you could kill someone with those custom omnibi :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 March, 2019, 11:07:35 PM
Really not a fan of the muddy artwork style in Hammer of the Warlocks, but that's maybe just me.

Will Realpolitik from Rogue Trooper be getting a reprint?  I've got the original 6 Rebellion books covering the original hunt for the traitor, then the books Re-Gene and Realpolitik.  Someone I know has the first 5 books but not Realpolitik.  If it's going to be reprinted in hardback form, I don't mind giving them it, same with The 86ers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 30 March, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
Just checking in  .. I have received issues 33 & 16 (book order not issue order) this week but I see on their facebook page that Shakara Book 2 (Issue 41) is out. Has everyone else received this?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 March, 2019, 03:00:20 PM
Yes. My previous two books were Shakara and Nemesis (issues 41/42).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 30 March, 2019, 03:07:01 PM
Thanks Indigo. Is there a list anywhere of which issues have come out? I have clearly not been keeping up on this and now I'm concerned I'm missing others.  :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 March, 2019, 03:43:02 PM
It depends where you are in the subscriptions 'queue'. Some people have only just received Robo-Hunter and Sláine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 30 March, 2019, 04:03:08 PM
I just got 33 (Slaine Vol. 4) and 16 (Robo-Hunter Vol.3) ..Am I a month behind everyone else?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 March, 2019, 04:13:14 PM
From what I can tell, subs are roughly split evenly across that range.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 30 March, 2019, 04:18:19 PM
But Shakara was available for sale in the shops last month and I won't receive it until April?

What the fuck (sorry gentlefolk of the forum) am I paying for?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 March, 2019, 04:47:48 PM
Free postage and the guarantee of delivery? Relatively low-hassle replacements when images are damaged?

Honestly, I have had the same problems with Hachette, not least the long delays. If you bug them enough on Facebook, they might bump your sub accordingly. Others here have also figured out cunning ways of catching up, if you read back through the thread.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 30 March, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
Ok that's fair enough but I would have preferred to get "premium" treatment without having to kick up a fuss.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 30 March, 2019, 05:21:41 PM
I've paid for 'Premium' and it's still utter dogshit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 01 April, 2019, 09:08:12 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 28 March, 2019, 05:03:49 PM
I 2nd the Hollingworth and Moss route.

They are quality binders.

Third! They've done 20+ volumes for me of my late 90s Vertigo/Marvel comic collections, and all are fantastic. What I would caution though, is that there already seems to be a fair amount of gutter loss in some of these partworks - getting them rebound may mean losing significant parts of the image to the spine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: seanharry on 01 April, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 28 March, 2019, 11:07:35 PM
Really not a fan of the muddy artwork style in Hammer of the Warlocks, but that's maybe just me.

Will Realpolitik from Rogue Trooper be getting a reprint?  I've got the original 6 Rebellion books covering the original hunt for the traitor, then the books Re-Gene and Realpolitik.  Someone I know has the first 5 books but not Realpolitik.  If it's going to be reprinted in hardback form, I don't mind giving them it, same with The 86ers.

I own the origional art for the first page of this story, and have seen most of the other pages of art. The art itself has some amazing, vibrant colours as well as superb detailing, all of which where lost during reproduction.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 April, 2019, 05:28:23 PM
Quote from: seanharry on 01 April, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
I own the origional art for the first page of this story, and have seen most of the other pages of art. The art itself has some amazing, vibrant colours as well as superb detailing, all of which where lost during reproduction.

This must be so depressing as an artist - you spend hours toiling away creating an amazing thing then when the published article comes back its a muddy blur and those hours were a complete waste of time and effort.  I guess there's an art to knowing what will/won't work with the reproduction process but still.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 April, 2019, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: sintec on 01 April, 2019, 05:28:23 PM
Quote from: seanharry on 01 April, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
I own the origional art for the first page of this story, and have seen most of the other pages of art. The art itself has some amazing, vibrant colours as well as superb detailing, all of which where lost during reproduction.

This must be so depressing as an artist - you spend hours toiling away creating an amazing thing then when the published article comes back its a muddy blur and those hours were a complete waste of time and effort.  I guess there's an art to knowing what will/won't work with the reproduction process but still.

Saying that, I can understand that happening.  How many here are familiar with the strip "The Trigan Empire" that became known in Look and Learn?  My first encounter with this was at the tender age of ten years old when I was stuck in a childrens hospital and the Hamlyn book was there.  The artwork looked nice.  My parents swapped a pile of good condition books that I no longer wanted for this slightly battered one at the consent of the staff.

I later had the Hawk book "Tales of the Trigan Empire", and this was meant to be a higher priced book and of deluxe quality (remember Hawk reprinted some of the Dan Dare material).  The quality of the artwork was worse, just...different.  Colours were sometimes different.

In later years I bought the super deluxe collection from the Don Lawrence Collection and again you could see a difference in artwork.  Apparently the Don Lawrence collection had access to the original art, and weren't working off of reprints of reprints etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 02 April, 2019, 12:36:26 PM
Bought 2 books directly from Hachette - one arrived within days, the other has just turned up after a 3 month wait, several emails back and forth and them sending me 3 random books that I already have!

Breaks my heart that this seems not be selling that well - is it lack of general norm interest or Hachette messing up or a.n. other reason?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 02 April, 2019, 12:37:15 PM
Oh, and on a happier note - what contents are we looking at for SD vol. 5?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 April, 2019, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: karlos on 02 April, 2019, 12:36:26 PM
Breaks my heart that this seems not be selling that well - is it lack of general norm interest or Hachette messing up or a.n. other reason?

What makes you say that...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 April, 2019, 12:40:41 PM
Quote from: karlos on 02 April, 2019, 12:37:15 PM
Oh, and on a happier note - what contents are we looking at for SD vol. 5?

The concluding chapters of Ragnarok Job; Incident on Mayger Minor; Warzone; and Bitch.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 02 April, 2019, 12:46:02 PM
Thanks very much for the replies, DJ.

I truly hope I'm wrong about sales, but reading the last few posts and talk of smaller print runs and not seeing copies in shops, I can't help but wonder that sales generally aren't great.

As I say, sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 April, 2019, 12:57:08 PM
Quote from: karlos on 02 April, 2019, 12:46:02 PM
Thanks very much for the replies, DJ.

I truly hope I'm wrong about sales, but reading the last few posts and talk of smaller print runs and not seeing copies in shops, I can't help but wonder that sales generally aren't great.

As I say, sincerely hope I'm wrong.

I think it's par for the course with partworks like these that they've generally disappeared from shops by this point, and that the print runs of the books are smaller than earlier volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 02 April, 2019, 01:06:37 PM
Very happy to hear that, DJ!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 April, 2019, 02:01:25 PM
Yeah. I've no idea how well this is selling compared to other partworks, but you wouldn't expect them to be knocking around stores in any numbers by this point. My hope is that the 2000 AD one is doing well enough for an extension – another 20 volumes would be very nice, to mop up story endings/logical conclusions (Kingdom, for example), and to get some other stuff into the mix (Firekind, say).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robert_ellis on 02 April, 2019, 07:22:15 PM
Has anyone ever seen a copy of Kingdom book 2 with the right end papers? Hachette have replaced mine 3 times but always with the Slaine end papers. As it was originally from December last year I'm starting to think it's affected the entire run and they are in no hurry to replace. I'd love to see the series extended just to see the more esoteric stuff, somewhere in the multiverse a complete Tyranny Rex is a best seller!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 April, 2019, 07:59:45 PM
I never got the option of a replacement, despite asking about it. Has anyone got correct end papers on either of those books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 April, 2019, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 02 April, 2019, 07:22:15 PM
Has anyone ever seen a copy of Kingdom book 2 with the right end papers? Hachette have replaced mine 3 times but always with the Slaine end papers. As it was originally from December last year I'm starting to think it's affected the entire run and they are in no hurry to replace. I'd love to see the series extended just to see the more esoteric stuff, somewhere in the multiverse a complete Tyranny Rex is a best seller!
I know they said they'd look into it but as far as I know it was never fixed  :/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 03 April, 2019, 06:23:44 PM
After following this thread I contacted them via Facebook and requested the replacements which were duly sent.

I contacted about my subscription being a month behind everyone else and they've said it's just where I am in the sign up order. That makes zero sense to me. Surely they are printing X amount of volumes for x amount of subscribers so why are they sitting on books for a month and then sending. I signed up around the same time as everyone else afaik unless the people who did the trial sub are in the first round? Bizarre. :-*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 April, 2019, 07:38:02 PM
You could always threaten to subscribe, like I did, and then have the idiots take that as a literal cancellation request, and cancel my subscription and direct debit. That was a fun time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 04 April, 2019, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 03 April, 2019, 06:23:44 PM
After following this thread I contacted them via Facebook and requested the replacements which were duly sent.

I contacted about my subscription being a month behind everyone else and they've said it's just where I am in the sign up order. That makes zero sense to me. Surely they are printing X amount of volumes for x amount of subscribers so why are they sitting on books for a month and then sending. I signed up around the same time as everyone else afaik unless the people who did the trial sub are in the first round? Bizarre. :-*

Sounds like you are in the same order as me and I was in the trial run so it's definitely not that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 April, 2019, 02:24:22 PM
Just noticed that two payments have been taken for March -1 March and 29 March.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 April, 2019, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 04 April, 2019, 02:24:22 PM
Just noticed that two payments have been taken for March -1 March and 29 March.
Thereby flatly contradicting the bullshit I was told previously about this, that they cannot take more than one payment per month. (Of course, it was obvious that was rubbish on a four-weekly schedule anyway, which is less than one month in all but one case.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 04 April, 2019, 04:21:46 PM
I don't know whether it makes a difference, but I didn't have a payment taken in Feb - or rather I 'back-ordered' in Feb to try to get ahead (which didn't work).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 04 April, 2019, 05:27:21 PM
Same here. One payment 1st March and another on the 29th.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 04 April, 2019, 06:12:54 PM
My account is showing the same
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 04 April, 2019, 06:51:43 PM
I'm not sure about everyone else but the account shows 'Direct Debit Payment - Thank you' for the 1st March but the payment actually came out my account on 15th March. Similarly my account shows payment taken on 29th March but the payment is likely to actually leave my account on something like the 12th April. It's pretty consistent I think.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 April, 2019, 11:39:28 PM
I finished reading Nemesis.  I had had the three phone books but sold them a wee while back but it had been a while since reading them.  I sold them since I knew that the collection would cover the same material.  I really must admit that the last few stories were stretching things a bit and it looked as if they wanted a sequel where Purity would end up as Torquemada-Lite, being forced to make compromises.

Sorry though, the photo story was a product of its time but really was cringeworthy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 05 April, 2019, 07:47:41 AM
Quote from: bernardsfingers on 04 April, 2019, 06:51:43 PM
I'm not sure about everyone else but the account shows 'Direct Debit Payment - Thank you' for the 1st March but the payment actually came out my account on 15th March. Similarly my account shows payment taken on 29th March but the payment is likely to actually leave my account on something like the 12th April. It's pretty consistent I think.

Exactly the same here. March 29th payment left my account today.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 07 April, 2019, 09:06:00 PM
For what it's worth (and I realise most of you complaining about delivery times are subscribers) - my copies of the four Nem books arrived yesterday - I ordered them on the day Issue 42 / Nem Vol IV came out: 27/03/2019.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 08 April, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Just had latest delivery
41 shakara vol two
42 nemesis vol four

Plus reprint of slaine horned god to correct spine error
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 08 April, 2019, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 08 April, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Just had latest delivery
41 shakara vol two
42 nemesis vol four

Plus reprint of slaine horned god to correct spine error

Got the same except did not get the reprint... >:(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 April, 2019, 12:26:54 PM
To avoid scrolling through 200 pages of this thread to find the helpful timetable someone posted months ago ... can anyone help a poor cherrypicker by telling me when the next Dante book is due?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 April, 2019, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 08 April, 2019, 12:26:54 PM
To avoid scrolling through 200 pages of this thread to find the helpful timetable someone posted months ago ... can anyone help a poor cherrypicker by telling me when the next Dante book is due?

August 28th!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 April, 2019, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 April, 2019, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 08 April, 2019, 12:26:54 PM
To avoid scrolling through 200 pages of this thread to find the helpful timetable someone posted months ago ... can anyone help a poor cherrypicker by telling me when the next Dante book is due?

August 28th!

Thank you! I keep checking as I'm nervous now about availability. All issues still seem to pop up on eBay but they seem to sell out at Hatchette so there's no back up. I think I'll order it via previews from my comic shop as I'd hate it if I messed up getting the set in Hardcover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 April, 2019, 01:14:53 PM
Ta very much - I thought the next one would be out fairly soon - I usually order them via the FP website
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 April, 2019, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 08 April, 2019, 01:14:53 PM
Ta very much - I thought the next one would be out fairly soon

Yeah, it does feel like a bit of a gap - until you find out that Vol 6 is not out until January 2020...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 April, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 08 April, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Just had latest delivery
41 shakara vol two
42 nemesis vol four

Plus reprint of slaine horned god to correct spine error
Well I'm glad to hear it does exist! Am yet to get anything after chasing twice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 08 April, 2019, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 April, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 08 April, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Just had latest delivery
41 shakara vol two
42 nemesis vol four

Plus reprint of slaine horned god to correct spine error
Well I'm glad to hear it does exist! Am yet to get anything after chasing twice.

To be honest I hadn't complained about it, plus I started my subscription from issue two so wasn't even expected!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 April, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
i am dying to see whats in sin/dex vol 2 i am still holding out hope for a proper eurocrash collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 April, 2019, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 09 April, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
i am dying to see whats in sin/dex vol 2 i am still holding out hope for a proper eurocrash collection

I always felt if you were going to do Eurocrash properly you should include Downlode Tales as that provides the second half of the tale in many ways.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 09 April, 2019, 01:00:07 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 April, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 08 April, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Just had latest delivery
41 shakara vol two
42 nemesis vol four

Plus reprint of slaine horned god to correct spine error
Well I'm glad to hear it does exist! Am yet to get anything after chasing twice.

Hmm - as I'm away from my copy, what was the error with the Horned God?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 April, 2019, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 09 April, 2019, 01:00:07 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 April, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 08 April, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Just had latest delivery
41 shakara vol two
42 nemesis vol four

Plus reprint of slaine horned god to correct spine error
Well I'm glad to hear it does exist! Am yet to get anything after chasing twice.

Hmm - as I'm away from my copy, what was the error with the Horned God?

Spine slightly out of alignment.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 April, 2019, 04:11:30 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 09 April, 2019, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 09 April, 2019, 01:00:07 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 April, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 08 April, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Just had latest delivery
41 shakara vol two
42 nemesis vol four

Plus reprint of slaine horned god to correct spine error
Well I'm glad to hear it does exist! Am yet to get anything after chasing twice.

Hmm - as I'm away from my copy, what was the error with the Horned God?

Spine slightly out of alignment.
Got my chased copy today. My OCD is sated.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 09 April, 2019, 11:02:53 PM
Looking forward to another Strontium Dog.  I'd still like to know just how far Rogue Trooper is going to be taken and whether there will be a compilation of Jaegir and The 86ers.  I have the latter but not the former book.

I'd also like to know just how much Invasion/Savage were getting.  Will there be any more than was in the Invasion and two Savage books already done?  I know the Invasion book was all the original Invasion, but I've seen recaps of Savage that hint at far more than has been printed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 10 April, 2019, 09:35:40 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 09 April, 2019, 11:02:53 PM
Looking forward to another Strontium Dog.  I'd still like to know just how far Rogue Trooper is going to be taken and whether there will be a compilation of Jaegir and The 86ers.  I have the latter but not the former book.

I'd also like to know just how much Invasion/Savage were getting.  Will there be any more than was in the Invasion and two Savage books already done?  I know the Invasion book was all the original Invasion, but I've seen recaps of Savage that hint at far more than has been printed.

To have a complete Bill Savage collection, you'd really need Invasion! Disaster 1990 and eleven books of Savage (Thousand Year Stare was the most recent one, wasn't it?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 April, 2019, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 09 April, 2019, 11:02:53 PM
I'd also like to know just how much Invasion/Savage were getting.  Will there be any more than was in the Invasion and two Savage books already done?  I know the Invasion book was all the original Invasion, but I've seen recaps of Savage that hint at far more than has been printed.

I think only one book of each, and that won't be enough to collect all of Savage. Most likely we'll just get the three Charlie Adlard series...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 April, 2019, 10:12:02 AM
i am guessing this book of stront out today is the last classic one with carlos art
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 April, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 10 April, 2019, 10:12:02 AM
i am guessing this book of stront out today is the last classic one with carlos art

No, next book will have the like of Stone Killers and The Rammy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 10 April, 2019, 10:30:41 AM
Am guessing that SD vols 7 & 8 will be The Final Solution?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 April, 2019, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: karlos on 10 April, 2019, 10:30:41 AM
Am guessing that SD vols 7 & 8 will be The Final Solution?

Vol 5 is out today and runs up to Bitch; Vol 6 will probably run up to Incident on Zeta; Vol 7 will be No-Go Job and Final Solution. The last book, however, (The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha) won't actually be 'Vol 8' - it will sit on the shelf after books 11 and 12 of the partwork as it comes chronologically last.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 10 April, 2019, 11:30:39 AM
Thanks, DJ.

So, all of Final Solution in vol 7?  Nice!

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 10 April, 2019, 05:20:19 PM
Any subscribers received 43&44 yet?

Ta
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 10 April, 2019, 05:41:15 PM
Nope 42 was the last highest I received. And that was yesterday.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 April, 2019, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 10 April, 2019, 05:20:19 PM
Any subscribers received 43&44 yet?
Nope. Not hugely surprised. Over four weeks since my previous delivery.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 11 April, 2019, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 April, 2019, 09:39:20 AM
I think only one book of each, and that won't be enough to collect all of Savage. Most likely we'll just get the three Charlie Adlard series...

So, basically hang onto my copy of Savage:Taking Liberties and The Guvnor.  Oh, and of course Invasion.  Thanks to the generosity of someone here I have Disaster 1990.  It's just I feel that the printed books have been left on a cliff hanger.  Rebellion seem to have a bad habit of this.

Read Strontium Dog all in one sitting, and thoroughly enjoyed it.  Durham Red is definitely an interesting character as well.  It's funny, I've moaned about the amount of Slaine books, but if there was that amount in SD, I don't think I would be too bothered.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 12 April, 2019, 12:56:44 AM
Is there any chance we've got the amount of Slaine books wrong? I only ask as going by the Wikipedia page up to Book 48 there's only been five volumes.

Meaning with only 32 books left they've got to fit in another 8 Slaine Vols to make up to the revealed 13 books. That's one every four, surely they'd have spaced the books out better earlier in the run if that was the case?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 April, 2019, 08:40:07 AM
Quote from: moogie101 on 12 April, 2019, 12:56:44 AM
Is there any chance we've got the amount of Slaine books wrong? I only ask as going by the Wikipedia page up to Book 48 there's only been five volumes.

Meaning with only 32 books left they've got to fit in another 8 Slaine Vols to make up to the revealed 13 books. That's one every four, surely they'd have spaced the books out better earlier in the run if that was the case?

No chance, I'm afraid (well - only if you don't like Slaine. if you do, then I'm delighted!)

The spacing is a bit weird. I suppose the thinking is that so much Slaine so early might have lead to a few folk dropping out; but anyone who's stuck with the collection well past the halfway mark is probably in it for the long haul come what may.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 13 April, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
Quick question - which issues were replaced due to blurry text? I know Nemesis and one other was affected but any others? Thx
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 14 April, 2019, 04:07:56 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 13 April, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
Quick question - which issues were replaced due to blurry text? I know Nemesis and one other was affected but any others? Thx

I think one of them might have been ABC volume 2, and one of the Nikolai Dante books (vol 2 or 3 maybe)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 April, 2019, 09:55:55 AM
Thought I'd just ask the facebook page about the remaining Slaine volumes: (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2259603707701282)

Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection Hey Tom,
At the present moment issues 49, 54, 58, 61, 66, 70, 73 and 79 are Slaine, however this is subject to change as the collection goes on.
Hope this helps!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 15 April, 2019, 11:44:43 AM
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection Hey Tom,
At the present moment issues 49, 54, 58, 61, 66, 70, 73 and 79 are Slaine, however this is subject to change as the collection goes on.
Hope this helps!

I certainly hope that doesn't change. It's one every other delivery. God forbid I should get two Slaines in a row, or even two in the same delivery! Unless "as the collection goes on" is a very veiled reference to an extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 April, 2019, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 15 April, 2019, 11:44:43 AM
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection Hey Tom,
At the present moment issues 49, 54, 58, 61, 66, 70, 73 and 79 are Slaine, however this is subject to change as the collection goes on.
Hope this helps!

I certainly hope that doesn't change. It's one every other delivery. God forbid I should get two Slaines in a row, or even two in the same delivery! Unless "as the collection goes on" is a very veiled reference to an extension.

I hadn't thought to look at is as deliveries, but yes you're right: one every other delivery from July onwards.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 15 April, 2019, 06:05:33 PM
I was updating the wikipedia page, and it already has 66 for Nikolai Dante 6, and 70 for Durham Red, so I asked if they'd been changed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 April, 2019, 06:15:22 PM
I was just looking at wikipedia and spotted that this only took us to volume 12 and thought - hang on I thought there were supposed to be 13 books and I'm pretty sure we didn't start counting from 0.

Then I remembered The Horned God / Volume 4 debacle - sigh - bloody idiots.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 April, 2019, 06:46:06 PM
Quote from: sintec on 15 April, 2019, 06:15:22 PM
I was just looking at wikipedia and spotted that this only took us to volume 12 and thought - hang on I thought there were supposed to be 13 books and I'm pretty sure we didn't start counting from 0.

Then I remembered The Horned God / Volume 4 debacle - sigh - bloody idiots.

You can't start a partwork with 'Volume Four' - so i do get that decision. But the simple answer, of course, was give all the Slaine books names - 'Warrior's Dawn', 'Time Killer' etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 April, 2019, 06:57:35 PM
Or just have HG as 4 implicitly and number the next one 5.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 15 April, 2019, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 15 April, 2019, 06:57:35 PM
Or just have HG as 4 implicitly and number the next one 5.

Then you'd just have people asking where volume 4 is. Maybe they could've sent out "Volume 4" stickers for The Horned God.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 April, 2019, 08:33:57 AM
Just 8 unknown slots left according to the wiki, 2 ABC Warriors, 2 Rogue Troopers, 3 Strontium Dogs and Ichabod by my reckoning.  I'm guessing Ichabod is going to be in that large empty block around Sep-Oct this year as that would allow the others to be spread fairly evenly over the next 1 and a bit years.  Question is which series are they going to keep us waiting until August 2020 for the end of?

My guess is that'll be the last book of Strontium Dog.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 April, 2019, 08:38:11 AM
And yeah I guess they were damned whatever they did with the Slaine numbering.  Personally I'd have preferred Dark Jimbo's solution of naming each volume.  They've already got an issue number and a volume number, names would have been nicer than yet another number.  Meh, it's hardly the most important thing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 April, 2019, 09:40:15 AM
Would have been more apparent had the book names been on the spines.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 April, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
Are there any forum members who admin the 2000ADopedia or even Barney? I only ask as the wiki page is all well and good but the Hachette Transformers collection's page was deleted and so tfwiki is continuing that table. I'd feel better if this information was saved for fans in another place.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 April, 2019, 10:40:55 AM
Well Stront volume V was lovely stuff. The three post-Rage stories do a good job of pointing the strip's way forward without Wulf - a solo tale, a Middenface support tale, and (of course) a Durham tale. Warzone is extremely slight and unmemorable stuff, but nice to have a breezy little three-parter, and Incident on Mayger Minor still a minor classic - probably one of my favourite Stront tales.

The only story I hadn't read before was Bitch. The oft-repeated complaint is that the story is far too long, but honestly, read in one sitting (rather than drip-fed over a torturous 25 weeks) I only felt it lag once, near the end. Durham is a great foil for Johnny, the kind he's not really had before - someone who's constantly needling and teasing him, rather than providing solid support and friendship ala Wulf. It's clearly exactly the sort of thing he needs at this point in his career - he's a stone cold killer in Incident, and barely says a word during Warzone. By the end of Bitch, he's smiling more than we've seen since way back before Outlaw, even joining Durham in shooting Reagan with a catapult! I feel like the healing's all done by the end of the story, and that's all thanks to Durham refusing to take him as seriously as he takes himself. She's a great addition to the cast, and I can't wait to see more of her.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 April, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
Are there any forum members who admin the 2000ADopedia or even Barney? I only ask as the wiki page is all well and good but the Hachette Transformers collection's page was deleted and so tfwiki is continuing that table. I'd feel better if this information was saved for fans in another place.
I'm an admin on 2000ADopedia and I think there's somebody from Barney who pops their head in here every now and then.  Not sure what place Transformers would have on either database though?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 April, 2019, 10:40:55 AM
Well Stront volume V was lovely stuff. The three post-Rage stories do a good job of pointing the strip's way forward without Wulf - a solo tale, a Middenface support tale, and (of course) a Durham tale.

A Durham Red tale?  The first Durham Red tale!

QuoteThe only story I hadn't read before was Bitch. The oft-repeated complaint is that the story is far too long, but honestly, read in one sitting (rather than drip-fed over a torturous 25 weeks) I only felt it lag once, near the end.

Is it oft-repeated?  Yours was the first time I've read of that complaint!

QuoteShe's a great addition to the cast, and I can't wait to see more of her.

You've had the shower scene already!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 April, 2019, 03:12:05 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 02:41:30 PM
QuoteThe only story I hadn't read before was Bitch. The oft-repeated complaint is that the story is far too long, but honestly, read in one sitting (rather than drip-fed over a torturous 25 weeks) I only felt it lag once, near the end.

Is it oft-repeated?  Yours was the first time I've read of that complaint!

Tharg himself calls it overlong in the book's intro...!

Quote from: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 02:41:30 PM
QuoteShe's a great addition to the cast, and I can't wait to see more of her.

You've had the shower scene already!

:lol: Well done, sir!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 04:35:39 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 April, 2019, 03:12:05 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 02:41:30 PM
QuoteShe's a great addition to the cast, and I can't wait to see more of her.

You've had the shower scene already!

:lol: Well done, sir!

You know what they say about double entendres - when you see one coming along you have to bend over backwards to slip one in ;-)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 April, 2019, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 April, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
Are there any forum members who admin the 2000ADopedia or even Barney? I only ask as the wiki page is all well and good but the Hachette Transformers collection's page was deleted and so tfwiki is continuing that table. I'd feel better if this information was saved for fans in another place.
I'm an admin on 2000ADopedia and I think there's somebody from Barney who pops their head in here every now and then.  Not sure what place Transformers would have on either database though?
No, I'm happy that TFWIKI has picked up the TF:G1 wikipedia data. I mean the 2000AD Collection's data. That isn't listed on either of those sites and there is a risk of the wikipedia page disappearing as happened to TF.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 April, 2019, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 April, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
Are there any forum members who admin the 2000ADopedia or even Barney? I only ask as the wiki page is all well and good but the Hachette Transformers collection's page was deleted and so tfwiki is continuing that table. I'd feel better if this information was saved for fans in another place.
I'm an admin on 2000ADopedia and I think there's somebody from Barney who pops their head in here every now and then.  Not sure what place Transformers would have on either database though?
No, I'm happy that TFWIKI has picked up the TF:G1 wikipedia data. I mean the 2000AD Collection's data. That isn't listed on either of those sites and there is a risk of the wikipedia page disappearing as happened to TF.

Right, gotcha - do you want to add it to the 2000ADopedia?  Anybody can edit it (Barney you have to have moderator access, or something).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 April, 2019, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 April, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 April, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
Are there any forum members who admin the 2000ADopedia or even Barney? I only ask as the wiki page is all well and good but the Hachette Transformers collection's page was deleted and so tfwiki is continuing that table. I'd feel better if this information was saved for fans in another place.
I'm an admin on 2000ADopedia and I think there's somebody from Barney who pops their head in here every now and then.  Not sure what place Transformers would have on either database though?
No, I'm happy that TFWIKI has picked up the TF:G1 wikipedia data. I mean the 2000AD Collection's data. That isn't listed on either of those sites and there is a risk of the wikipedia page disappearing as happened to TF.

Right, gotcha - do you want to add it to the 2000ADopedia?  Anybody can edit it (Barney you have to have moderator access, or something).

p.s. if you do copy directly from wikipedia I believe wikia/fandom has some policy about making it clear, even though* both are creative commons material.

* because?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bedlamvr on 18 April, 2019, 07:26:24 AM
Can I just say it's great people are talking about the new books but as a premium subscriber I still haven't got 41/42 and none of my local shops carry these books anymore
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 April, 2019, 09:32:21 AM
Send Hachette a Facebook message and ask when your oils were dispatched. Get a specific date. If they don't show up within
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 18 April, 2019, 01:28:01 PM
I'm a premium subber and got them about a week ago, been saving them for holiday reading.  The Nemesis volume doesn't look that appealing to me, mish mash of art...is it worth reading?  Interested to know views of those on here..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 April, 2019, 03:10:06 PM
Book X and the Deadlock story from the Nemesis volume were both great. Henry Flint's art is gorgeous and they're both excellent stories.  Most of the rest of it felt a bit like filler to me, not bad per se but certainly not top tier thrills.  Enigmass Variations suffered with some murky 90s art and I have to say I'm not a big fan of Pat's collabs with Tony Skinner, they feel heavy handed compared to Pat's solo stories with the same characters. I had similar issues with Khronicles of Khaos and Hellbringer but those tales both had gorgeous art which helped.

Shakara was definitely the stronger volume for me, top quality from start to end.  Stunning art from Mr Flint and a gripping story.  One of the top volumes in the collection so far imo alongside Kingdom.

I have to say these 2 felt like an odd pair in that they were almost too similar.  Henry Flint on art duties for the majority of both books.  Both epic space operas about alien warriors with strong vengenance themes. I'd have preferred to have had these in separate deliveries combined with something a bit more contrasting.  That's a minor quibble though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 18 April, 2019, 03:26:56 PM
Thanks for that Sintec. I'm definitely looking forward to Shakara but I know what you mean, similar themes and Flint's art (which I like) at its busiest and most frenetic in both volumes!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 April, 2019, 10:21:57 AM
Anyone have payment taken on 29 March but still not received 41&42?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 April, 2019, 11:39:16 AM
For those awaiting 43/44, I just received the following reply:

QuoteIssue 43/44 were allocated on the 19/04/2019. allow 7-14 days for issues to arrive

These issues should have arrived on the 8th, according to the original schedule – and so even those near the 'front' of the queue are a month behind again. I also asked about 45/46, but was told they cannot provide a scheduled date for those because they are "not in stock".

It's almost as if they don't have a clue what they are doing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 23 April, 2019, 12:01:02 PM
It's the lack of consistency in the responses you get from them that does my head in.  One person tells you one thing then somebody else tells you something entirely contradictory. 

Providing a thoughtful coherent response to a question seems entirely to take second place to 'type some random nonsense and hope they go away'.

By some margin the worst customer service I've ever experienced and that includes the idiot at Santander who once told me an ISA transfer to another building society didn't need any paperwork.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 April, 2019, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 April, 2019, 11:39:16 AM
For those awaiting 43/44, I just received the following reply:

QuoteIssue 43/44 were allocated on the 19/04/2019. allow 7-14 days for issues to arrive

These issues should have arrived on the 8th, according to the original schedule – and so even those near the 'front' of the queue are a month behind again. I also asked about 45/46, but was told they cannot provide a scheduled date for those because they are "not in stock".

It's almost as if they don't have a clue what they are doing.

Maybe we will have a repeat of Feb / March with April & May's books arriving within days of each other.

My Transformers books remain on a decent schedule, admittedly closer to the 'back of the queue' model where they come a month behind the shops.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 April, 2019, 02:34:15 PM
Given that IDW canned the UK transformers trades, I've gone for 'classic run only' for TF, and with direct bulk purchases. That in itself has been 'fun'. Several errors in shipping. Close to 30% damages, due to books being sent in massive boxes with no packaging. I shudder to think how many replacements they send out. (And, good grief, the repro on the original US comics is awful. It really showcases what a fantastic job Rebellion does by comparison.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 24 April, 2019, 12:15:54 PM
3(!) additional copies of The Horned God later and they've finally sent the corrected copy. Now just waiting for 43/44.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 24 April, 2019, 07:26:02 PM
contents of sin/dex vol 2

sinister dexter

motherlode and the red admiral

anatomy of a throwdown

Eurocrash

downlode tales

lone shark

the ass kickers

the whack pack

city on fire

soooo yeah i got what i wanted :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 April, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
Is there any idea of what the upcoming books are because to be honest if it's going to be mostly Slaine I'm seriously considering cancelling.  There is plenty more in 2000AD that could have been done without such a concentration of one character.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 April, 2019, 07:48:26 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 24 April, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
Is there any idea of what the upcoming books are because to be honest if it's going to be mostly Slaine I'm seriously considering cancelling.  There is plenty more in 2000AD that could have been done without such a concentration of one character.
The Wiki Page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD:_The_Ultimate_Collection)'s forthcoming list is quite well detailed at this point. Still holes but we know all the remaining books if not the order they will come in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 25 April, 2019, 08:24:26 AM
I find it absolutely baffling that there's so much Slaine stuff yet to come, especially as we've already had the best stuff. WHY, when there's so many great 2000ad that could be there instead?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 April, 2019, 08:46:00 AM
Plenty of other non-Slaine bits still to come too: 5 more books of Nikolai Dante, 3-4 more Strontinum Dogs (depending on where your subs at), 2 books of Caballistics, 3 more ABC Warriors.  I'm really looking forward to all of those.

There are another 8 books of Slaine, which means they're going to be quite a regular occurance now.  And I guess you could cherry pick the bits from the above that you want. I'm coming at this fresh so I've not read all this stuff before which I guess gives me a different perspective to those of you who've read it all before and potentially already own it in 1 or more forms.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 25 April, 2019, 09:13:13 AM
my hot take is this whole thing has been worth it to get the full eurocrash experience in two hardback books buuuuut thats just me
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 April, 2019, 10:29:22 AM
It seems a decision was made at some point to ensure complete adventures for a few specific characters (at least from a 2000 AD standpoint – Strontium Dog misses all the Starlord stuff, annoyingly), and Sláine was one of them. Personally, I think it's a bit much as well. I'd have happily seen the strip jump from Horned God to Books of Invasions, or the same but cherry picking a few good bits from Sláine's Doctor Who years. But Sláine is probably 2000 AD's second most popular character, and the repro's already been done...

My hope is the collection will continue, at least for ~20 books. That might be a tall order (and it's perfectly conceivable there will be no extension at all). But it would be a pity to not conclude a few strips (notably Kingdom) and to omit others entirely (Indigo Prime; Firekind).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 25 April, 2019, 10:39:27 AM
I'd love to see it extended, its a rich vein to mine, it would also help dilute the amount of Slaine, which for its highs soars so very high but spends a lot of time in the mire of 'its a bit shit'
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 April, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
I'll take a couple of sub-par Slaine books over some of weaker Mega-Collection volumes (he says having not read the Slaines yet so maybe I'll come to regret that).  I struggle to believe they'll be worse than things like Behind The Iron Curtain, Stars of Psi Division, The World At Law, Klegg Hai or The Heavy Mob

Personally I think there's been less dross in the Ultimate Collection so far and even if half the remaining Slaines are a bit meh I think we're going to get less dross overall too.

And whilst I can understand some being annoyed at the lack of the pre-2000AD Stront I'm kinda glad. Vol 1 was the weakest part of that set for me and I assume the preceding Starlord stuff was in a similar vein so I don't really feel like I'm missing much.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 25 April, 2019, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: sintec on 25 April, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
And whilst I can understand some being annoyed at the lack of the pre-2000AD Stront I'm kinda glad. Vol 1 was the weakest part of that set for me and I assume the preceding Starlord stuff was in a similar vein so I don't really feel like I'm missing much.

I'd say it's better than the early stories of Vol 1, actually - certainly a much better introduction than the likes of Galaxy Killers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 April, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
Maybe I'll try and track them down at the local library or in digital to see what I'm missing out on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 25 April, 2019, 01:43:00 PM
If you're any sort of Stront fan, I absolutely would! The humour of later tales is missing, but at an average of two-three parts they're snappy little tales that revel in a universe of wacky aliens and weird weapons - and Carlos' art is gorgeous!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 25 April, 2019, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 25 April, 2019, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: sintec on 25 April, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
And whilst I can understand some being annoyed at the lack of the pre-2000AD Stront I'm kinda glad. Vol 1 was the weakest part of that set for me and I assume the preceding Starlord stuff was in a similar vein so I don't really feel like I'm missing much.

I'd say it's better than the early stories of Vol 1, actually - certainly a much better introduction than the likes of Galaxy Killers.


Definitely this - Galaxy Killers is one of my least favourite Stront stories, much worse than anything that had appeared in Starlord.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 April, 2019, 03:18:23 PM
sintec: At its worst, Sláine is pretty bad. I wouldn't say it's as bad as the very worst of the Dredd collection, but it's not far off. A couple of these books (prior to Books of Invasion) are going to be very hard going. As for Strontium Dog, I wish they'd have included everything, not least so I could then offload my trades. Now I'm mulling whether to hang on to the first one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 April, 2019, 04:16:04 PM
Yeah I totally get that the incompleteness of Strontium Dog is very annoying if this is a double dip and you'd like to replace the old set
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 April, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
The latest issue has been a no-show at my local Thrill-merchant. They got in touch and were told it was delayed and would be Tuesday or Wednesday. I'm wondering whether the subscriber issues are spilling over into the distribution network.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 28 April, 2019, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 25 April, 2019, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 25 April, 2019, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: sintec on 25 April, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
And whilst I can understand some being annoyed at the lack of the pre-2000AD Stront I'm kinda glad. Vol 1 was the weakest part of that set for me and I assume the preceding Starlord stuff was in a similar vein so I don't really feel like I'm missing much.

I'd say it's better than the early stories of Vol 1, actually - certainly a much better introduction than the likes of Galaxy Killers.


Definitely this - Galaxy Killers is one of my least favourite Stront stories, much worse than anything that had appeared in Starlord.

I missed a few Progs of this when it was first published. Including the resolution of a cliff hanger were Johnny and Wulf were [spoiler]ordered to fight to the death[/spoiler].

It was only years later when it as reprinted in the Megazine did I see the resolution. I had often thought about it in the intervening years....so it kept my interest all that time. I much preffered it to Journey to Hell. Overall for me vol 1 is much weaker than the other Strontium Dog volumes, so much so I haven't (re-)read it yet, but will eventually.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 April, 2019, 09:46:55 AM
Still a no-show of SinDex 2 at the Thrill-merchant. Has anyone ordered individual issues from the Hachette website, and if so are they reliable? Thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 April, 2019, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 28 April, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
The latest issue has been a no-show at my local Thrill-merchant. They got in touch and were told it was delayed and would be Tuesday or Wednesday. I'm wondering whether the subscriber issues are spilling over into the distribution network.

It was at my local last week same as ever, the Tuesday before it officially came out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 April, 2019, 10:54:58 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 30 April, 2019, 09:46:55 AMStill a no-show of SinDex 2 at the Thrill-merchant. Has anyone ordered individual issues from the Hachette website, and if so are they reliable?
Ish. You'll get your books, but delivery times are slow unless you splash out for the bumped-up postage. It's also a bit of a lottery in what state they'll arrive, although getting replacements is never a problem.

If I were you, I'd probably buy from Forbidden Planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/271862-2000ad-ultimate-collection-44-sinister-dexter/) instead.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 April, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
Thanks for the replies. I'll give it until tomorrow then order from FP if it doesn't appear. WH Smiths don't have it either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cannco on 30 April, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
Hi all. Is there a reason why the 2000ad ultimate collection books don't have the release order number on the back covers like the Judge Dredd mega collection books have? Just noticed this recently and wondered why?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 30 April, 2019, 11:37:16 PM
Quote from: Cannco on 30 April, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
Hi all. Is there a reason why the 2000ad ultimate collection books don't have the release order number on the back covers like the Judge Dredd mega collection books have? Just noticed this recently and wondered why?

Probably because the order within any series is fairly obvious (except for The Horned God and the revival Stront books), and they all have the stickers when you buy them.

I couldn't find anything on the mega collection books that showed a back cover with a number, though. But I only found one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 01 May, 2019, 02:19:07 AM
Quote from: Cannco on 30 April, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
Hi all. Is there a reason why the 2000ad ultimate collection books don't have the release order number on the back covers like the Judge Dredd mega collection books have? Just noticed this recently and wondered why?
It's there. It's the last 2 digits of the barcode number.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moldovangerbil on 02 May, 2019, 09:23:53 AM
Any subscribers received 43 and 44 yet?  Or more unlikely, received any kind of sensible explanation about why they've been delayed?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 02 May, 2019, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 02 May, 2019, 09:23:53 AM
Any subscribers received 43 and 44 yet?  Or more unlikely, received any kind of sensible explanation about why they've been delayed?

Not only have I not received these books yet but Hachette kindly cancelled my Marvel graphic novel collection because they had a parcel returned to them. Did not bother to email me or tell me in a letter. Just cancelled it.

Aren't they just great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 02 May, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 02 May, 2019, 09:23:53 AM
Any subscribers received 43 and 44 yet?  Or more unlikely, received any kind of sensible explanation about why they've been delayed?
No explanation but my account finally shows them as being sent out on the 26th along with an opt-out letter for the 3rd cover special
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 May, 2019, 08:09:55 PM
Mine was reportedly sent on the 19th, which means they should arrive by tomorrow – although I'm not counting on that, obv. No explanation was given as to why there was yet another delay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 May, 2019, 02:31:27 PM
Blimey are we already at the next cover special!

Question is will it be inline with the first one or more like the second one which was comparatively a poorer effort.  It had smaller pictures, with all the cover furniture compared to vol 1 which had full page art without all the logos and barcodes.  I was also disappointed with Vol 2 repeating covers that had been used as bonus material in the Mega Collection.

I'm not sure I can be bothered with Vol 3 tbh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 04 May, 2019, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: sintec on 03 May, 2019, 02:31:27 PM
Question is will it be inline with the first one or more like the second one which was comparatively a poorer effort.  It had smaller pictures, with all the cover furniture compared to vol 1 which had full page art without all the logos and barcodes.  I was also disappointed with Vol 2 repeating covers that had been used as bonus material in the Mega Collection.
Don't worry! I had a whinge at them after being disappointed with volume two, and they told me "We will forward your complaint on to the team" so I'm sure it will be fine!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 May, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I collected Rogue volume 3 from the Thrill-merchant this morning, hopefully SinDex 2 was just a glitch. Contents are Eye of the Traitor to Milli-Com Memories, which along with Matt Smith's intro stating the next volume covers 1984-85, suggests there'll only be room for the original run up to the Jose Ortiz stories. It'll be a shame if Cinnabar isn't included, as aside from some future shocks (hopefully), and pending any announcement of an extension, John Smith's work is a glaring omission from this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 May, 2019, 01:16:18 PM
43 & 44 finally here
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 May, 2019, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 08 May, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I collected Rogue volume 3 from the Thrill-merchant this morning, hopefully SinDex 2 was just a glitch. Contents are Eye of the Traitor to Milli-Com Memories, which along with Matt Smith's intro stating the next volume covers 1984-85, suggests there'll only be room for the original run up to the Jose Ortiz stories. It'll be a shame if Cinnabar isn't included, as aside from some future shocks (hopefully), and pending any announcement of an extension, John Smith's work is a glaring omission from this collection.

Wasn't Milli-Com Memories in the last volume?
Do you mean Eye of The Traitor to Message From Milli-Com?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 May, 2019, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 08 May, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I collected Rogue volume 3 from the Thrill-merchant this morning... Contents are Eye of the Traitor to Milli-Com Memories, which along with Matt Smith's intro stating the next volume covers 1984-85, suggests there'll only be room for the original run up to the Jose Ortiz stories. It'll be a shame if Cinnabar isn't included...

Aye, if the next book covers Just Routine to Return to Milli-Com (end of the Finley-Day run) then it's got the same page-count as volume 3. We know Rogue is getting 5 volumes of the UC though, so hope remains for Cinnabar...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 May, 2019, 06:18:49 PM
I stand corrected on two counts. Brain must have had an attack of Thrill-suckers due to missing issue 44.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 May, 2019, 11:27:28 PM
I still wish there were less Slaine, but that's just my personal opinion and I think I'm in the minority here.  I wish there was the potential for more Savage than has been printed in the Rebellion trades already, I have the Invasion book and the two subsequent ones.  By the description given in the Wiki entry there's still quite a bit to go.

Also, I am surprised that Flesh isn't on the schedule.  Granted, I read books 1 and 2 a while back and it hasn't dated terribly well.  Also surprised that there isn't a Harlem Heroes reprint.  Again I'm not bothered personally as I picked up the phonebook sized edition to get Inferno as I had the extreme edition with the complete Heroes.

VC's is another one I'm surprised isn't getting printed, but I guess Rogue Trooper and Bad Company fill the future war niche.  I have all of VC's and thanks to a kind poster here I got the two floppies to wrap up the story.

Can someone perhaps answer a question?  I have the Rogue Trooper book Realpolitik, and the Extreme Edition with Cinnabar.  The Realpolitik book seemed to have stories that were a 'darker' style than the original.  Was this the sum total of that run of Rogue, or was there more of that type.  I know of the 'Galactic Hitman' era which isn't what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 May, 2019, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 May, 2019, 02:16:48 PM
As for Hachette, I just had a very curt response via DM, stating that my subscription is NOT running behind, because dispatches are every 28 days. Gnh. (This'd be like Rebellion continuing to issue 2000 AD two days after the shops get it, due to the Easter delay, rather than, you know, getting the schedule back to normal immediately.)

My response: Issues 45 and 46 is currently out of stock however will be sent out immediately when we receive it in stock.  I will also escalate your subscription to the relevant department and notify them about the subscription page that is not updating.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 May, 2019, 07:18:19 PM
Should people wish to continue discussing Pat Mills and royalties, that thread has now been moved to here:

https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45797.0
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 11 May, 2019, 10:15:44 PM
Very much enjoyed Brett Edwins' art on From Hell to Eternity, think this was his last work on Rogue. Also intriguing that Boluda did a few highly detailed episodes without much other work for Tooth. And Cam is the man, as ever, enjoyed the Gasbah particularly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 May, 2019, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 11 May, 2019, 10:15:44 PM
  And Cam is the man, as ever, enjoyed the Gasbah particularly.

Think I was a bit spoiled by my first ecposure to classic Rogue being The Gasbah - few stories lived up to it when I finally caught up with the rest years later!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 May, 2019, 10:40:32 AM
cover to ABC Warriors 4 is up. (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/ABC-warriors-volume-4)

Looks like that Annual story is included in this one. Otherwise is it a mopping up affair before we get to the Clint Langley stuff?

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/93ec30c0-356c-4e00-9550-4b1307656395.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 13 May, 2019, 11:12:24 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 13 May, 2019, 10:40:32 AM
cover to ABC Warriors 4 is up. (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/ABC-warriors-volume-4)

Looks like that Annual story is included in this one. Otherwise is it a mopping up affair before we get to the Clint Langley stuff?


Which annual?  The Alan Moore / Steve Dillon (John Higgins?) one?  Toss-up whether that was my introduction to the ABC Warriors, or there appearance in Nemesis Book IV.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 13 May, 2019, 03:02:43 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 May, 2019, 01:16:18 PM
43 & 44 finally here

Mine arrived today. I've given up expecting them now and it's just a pleasant surprise that something I paid for 4 weeks ago has arrived at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 13 May, 2019, 03:24:50 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 13 May, 2019, 03:02:43 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 May, 2019, 01:16:18 PM
43 & 44 finally here

Mine arrived today. I've given up expecting them now and it's just a pleasant surprise that something I paid for 4 weeks ago has arrived at all.

Are you sure, my copies arrived on Saturday, but I still haven't been charged. The Hachette website lies, it's always at least 2 weeks. (Or did you order them separately to catch up?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 14 May, 2019, 06:33:18 PM
My payment was collected last Thursday and books delivered Saturday
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 May, 2019, 07:08:32 PM
Interesting that the exclusive books only available to premium subbers for the Who set are now readily available (albeit at a higher price than said people will have paid): https://hachettepartworks.com/doctor-who-the-complete-history
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 May, 2019, 11:43:28 AM
Well this months volumes (43 & 44 for me) were truly top quality thrills.

The Regan joke was maybe stretched a little thin in Bitch.  But Durham is great (can't wait for her solo volume this time next year) and it was a joy to see Johnny lighten up a little again after the events leading up to Rage sent things down a grimmer/bleaker path.

And if that wasn't enough Thrillpower for one month Sinister Dexter blew the doors right off, literally.  Absolutely cracking; sharp puns from sharpshooters and a plot that kept ratchetting up the tension.  It's a real shame we're only getting 1 more volume from these two and that the restricted space means we're skipping so many episodes.  I'd happily have another 2-3 books from this duo in the lineup, here's hoping for 1 or 2 more in an extension.

Looking forward to meeting Stickleback next month - any idea if we're getting a complete run or is it likely to be truncated?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 May, 2019, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: sintec on 18 May, 2019, 11:43:28 AM
Looking forward to meeting Stickleback next month - any idea if we're getting a complete run or is it likely to be truncated?

I'm hoping for just the first three books, myself - they're a nice little beginning-middle-end run; the fourth book does a sort of soft reboot to the series, so that would be a weird note to end on, and the fifth ends on a major cliffhanger that's looking at this point like it might never get resolved.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 May, 2019, 05:05:40 PM
The two Rebellion trades are too big to shoe-horn into the reported single volume we are getting. But one trade would be about 100 page short. Here's hoping it at least ends in a reasonable spot (or that we are getting an extension).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 May, 2019, 08:55:24 AM
Looks like the first 3 stories {Mother London, England's Glory, London's Burning} would give us a page count of ~195 which would seem pretty much perfect for a Hachette volume so I think you might get your wish Jimbo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 22 May, 2019, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: sintec on 19 May, 2019, 08:55:24 AM
Looks like the first 3 stories {Mother London, England's Glory, London's Burning} would give us a page count of ~195 which would seem pretty much perfect for a Hachette volume so I think you might get your wish Jimbo.

The issue does indeed collect these three stories, plus Twas The Night Before Christmas.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: gurnard on 22 May, 2019, 01:04:45 PM
I just started issue 38 Aquila. I never read this in the original issues but was always a fan on Black Hawk in the Tornado years so thought it would be my thing, which it is.

In the intro bumpf at the beginning it suggests that the story has not been completed to this day.

Is this correct?  Is it a series that is likely to be cropping up again in the pages of 2thou? Or is it something that faded away?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 22 May, 2019, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: gurnard on 22 May, 2019, 01:04:45 PM
I just started issue 38 Aquila. I never read this in the original issues but was always a fan on Black Hawk in the Tornado years so thought it would be my thing, which it is.

In the intro bumpf at the beginning it suggests that the story has not been completed to this day.

Is this correct?  Is it a series that is likely to be cropping up again in the pages of 2thou? Or is it something that faded away?

The end where they [spoiler]disappear into a black hole[/spoiler]?  Nope, nothing else after that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 23 May, 2019, 08:42:38 AM
While I long ago ceased to be able to buy these on a regular basis, I do have a hankering for the new Stickleback one. Can anyone please tell me what it contains? Is it the whole thing? ( assuming the [spoiler]Moriarty reveal[/spoiler] is the actual end, and that if the strip returns to 2000AD it will be in a whole new format, probably under a new title.)
I currently have only the first Rebellion trade on the shelf  (and all the progs in a box, obvs).
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 May, 2019, 09:22:25 AM
The Stickleback volume contains:

Mother London
England's Glory
London's Burning
Twas The Night Before Christmas

Exactly 200 pages of strip, by my count.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2019, 09:32:48 AM
Quote from: gurnard on 22 May, 2019, 01:04:45 PM
I just started issue 38 Aquila... In the intro bumpf at the beginning it suggests that the story has not been completed to this day.

Is this correct?  Is it a series that is likely to be cropping up again in the pages of 2thou? Or is it something that faded away?

Aye, the Ultimate volume contains everything so far. Rennie has bad form for getting bored and not finishing his stories - but Caballistics recently got a conclusion after being AWOL for 11 years, so who knows? The last Aquila story was December 2016, so it's still not unlikely at this stage that it'll come back.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 23 May, 2019, 12:28:15 PM
If there's not going to be an extension, then that's an incredibly unsatisfying way to end Sinister Dexter. I loved the book, I just want more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2019, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: athorist on 23 May, 2019, 12:28:15 PM
If there's not going to be an extension, then that's an incredibly unsatisfying way to end Sinister Dexter. I loved the book, I just want more.

There's a third book to come, you know...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2019, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: athorist on 23 May, 2019, 12:28:15 PMIf there's not going to be an extension, then that's an incredibly unsatisfying way to end
Just stopping the sentence there, because, man, that's going to be the case quite a lot here. It'll be interesting to see how things go. Dredd went on for an extra ten books, but I'd be amazed if that wasn't a higher seller than this run. But also, Dredd felt, frankly, like you could have easily enough removed 10–20 volumes from the main run and lost nothing. The 2000 AD set is, to my mind, rather meatier (despite the billions of Sláine books), and there's just so much potential for more – including, I guess, more Dredd collections alongside continuations (SinDex/Kingdom/etc.) and new stuff (FIREKIND! C'MON!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 24 May, 2019, 06:22:22 AM
Much as I enjoy Firekind, calling new stuff is a slight stretch.

The final episode was published 26 years ago.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 May, 2019, 09:49:42 AM
New as in new to the collection. In this case, in the sense of a series, but also a writer. (Unless I'm mistaken, John Smith has largely been wiped from existence as far as TUC is concerned. While I realise there have been issues with Smith and 2000 AD, it would be a great shame to not have some of his greatest comics work collected in this collection, should the opportunity arise.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 24 May, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
In case you guys didn't know, Hachette are offering a discount: £10 off all orders of £50 or more.

Code: SAVE10
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 May, 2019, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 May, 2019, 09:49:42 AM
New as in new to the collection. In this case, in the sense of a series, but also a writer. (Unless I'm mistaken, John Smith has largely been wiped from existence as far as TUC is concerned. While I realise there have been issues with Smith and 2000 AD, it would be a great shame to not have some of his greatest comics work collected in this collection, should the opportunity arise.)

Hoping for Cinnabar and some Future-Shocks, at least. But yes, it does seem odd given that the Dredd collection represented Mr Smith very well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 May, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
Aligning Firekind with the release of Avatar 2 (Dec 2020) would have been fun.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 26 May, 2019, 09:30:44 PM
Does anyone know for sure just what Rogue Trooper stuff we are getting.  I have the Rebellion volumes, as in Future of War, Fort Neuro, Eye of the Traitor, To the Ends of Nu-Earth, Re-Gene and Realpolitik as well as the Extreme Edition with Cinnabar.

I know someone who doesn't have the Realpolitik book or Cinnabar, if they are going to be printed in the Mega Collection I'll happily give them my trades.  I must admit, much as I like the original Rogue I did like the darker stories in Realpolitik, ditto with the 86ers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 May, 2019, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 May, 2019, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 08 May, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I collected Rogue volume 3 from the Thrill-merchant this morning... Contents are Eye of the Traitor to Milli-Com Memories, which along with Matt Smith's intro stating the next volume covers 1984-85, suggests there'll only be room for the original run up to the Jose Ortiz stories. It'll be a shame if Cinnabar isn't included...

Aye, if the next book covers Just Routine to Return to Milli-Com (end of the Finley-Day run) then it's got the same page-count as volume 3. We know Rogue is getting 5 volumes of the UC though, so hope remains for Cinnabar...!

We know about the next 1 (vol 4).  Don't think we've been told what the final volume will contain yet though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 May, 2019, 10:23:10 AM
Nice cover to The Alan Moore Future Shocks (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/the-alan-moore-future-shocks)
QuoteThere are countless tales out there in the universe of alien races and galactic empires, of villainous despots and unsung heroes. These unsettling SF stories with a twist run the gamut from space opera to comedy, time travel to cautionary fable – but one thing these particular shorts have in common is that they're all from the extraordinary mind of Watchmen and V For Vendetta writer Alan Moore...
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/94ad8c9f-f6a1-426b-a406-a2b92579ec0d.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 May, 2019, 10:30:19 AM
I'll look forward to receiving that in 2028.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 May, 2019, 11:08:05 AM
Yes! They went with the good cover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Robes on 29 May, 2019, 08:57:17 AM
Hi guys, I still haven't received 43&44.  I can see a few we're waiting, but are others still waiting for these two?  Seems like a long time since I received a parcel.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 May, 2019, 09:27:32 AM
Looks like someone finally made a new entry on my subs page, date is last Friday. The listings are mostly blank but it looks like a housekeeping with a few 0.00 listings to get the page up to date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 30 May, 2019, 05:28:45 AM
I haven't received my last four issues (43 & 44 - Shakara?) and the latest ones. I contacted them and they said they'd resend but haven't received the replacements either. What is going on?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 May, 2019, 11:43:54 AM
Issue 52 revealed as Strontium Dog volume 6. Interestingly, Simon Harrison's name is on the cover - presumably this will be for the No-Go Job. Given that No-Go Job and Final Solution would both fit comfortably in a single Hachette volume, do we think this means volume 7 might include a few annual stories or other extras (much like the imminent ABC Warriors volume 4)...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 30 May, 2019, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 May, 2019, 09:22:25 AM
The Stickleback volume contains:

Mother London
England's Glory
London's Burning
Twas The Night Before Christmas

Exactly 200 pages of strip, by my count.

How much more Stickleback is left after this? I can only recall the follow up when [spoiler]he is resurrected then revealed to be S Holmes at the end[/spoiler] - or did this take place over more than one book?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 May, 2019, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 30 May, 2019, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 May, 2019, 09:22:25 AM
The Stickleback volume contains:

Mother London
England's Glory
London's Burning
Twas The Night Before Christmas

Exactly 200 pages of strip, by my count.

How much more Stickleback is left after this? I can only recall the follow up when [spoiler]he is resurrected then revealed to be S Holmes at the end[/spoiler] - or did this take place over more than one book?

Yes, you've conflated two books there. In Number of the Beast [spoiler]he's resurrected five years after his death, and finds that there's a new underclass of intelligent dinosaurs throughout the Empire since Prof Challenger's expedition to the Lost World[/spoiler] and then in The Thru'penny Opera [spoiler]three seemingly altruistic sisters use city planning to turn London into a glyph to summon an unmentionable elder god-type, who manifests inside the entire population at once[/spoiler].
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 30 May, 2019, 09:39:43 PM
Thanks Jimbo. I'd forgotten most of that. I always found it a bit unsatisfying and hard to follow week by week. Looking forward to reading it collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cannco on 31 May, 2019, 04:04:13 PM
Still waiting for 43 and 44 as well, have 45 and 46.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 June, 2019, 09:25:24 AM
New covers up on Forbidden Planet
#49: Slaine Vol 5
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/pvCFLwWTa3nR3hbggsgxcDGQ-9I=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/b6/40/bb013884aea684995742f8c7542c7cedbf83.jpg)

#50: Bad Company
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/pzSqSl9a2XGD7ReCJMeIfJURE5w=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/31/d1/46506af87e207e6714444ab4560503b1760f.jpg)

Judge Dredd: Dark Justice (now #51)
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/S0ORWcxR33k2esGZJwB-bvq79qM=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/6f/46/f5a7c2005b2b381a0c27723fc1d7fb15d1fc.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 June, 2019, 02:28:55 PM
For the first time ever, the collection is discounted at Hachette. Admittedly it's only a quid off each, but there you go.

They also seem to have removed a whole load of 'out of stock' product from their site all together - like a bunch of the JDMC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 June, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
Well I read Stickleback, and can I say that I'm not overly impressed.  It wasn't bad, just not my thing.  Perhaps one for a reread some time and I might change my mind.

Any chance of the collection getting Leviathan?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 June, 2019, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 June, 2019, 08:42:21 PMAny chance of the collection getting Leviathan?
Not unless it's extended.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 June, 2019, 08:34:16 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 June, 2019, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 June, 2019, 08:42:21 PMAny chance of the collection getting Leviathan?
Not unless it's extended.

Sure, it just needs bundling with something else (like the DR&Qunich/Skizz book).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: geronimo on 04 June, 2019, 11:06:35 AM
Sure, it just needs bundling with something else (like the DR&Qunich/Skizz book).

what about the rest of Stickleback?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 June, 2019, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: geronimo on 04 June, 2019, 11:06:35 AM
Sure, it just needs bundling with something else (like the DR&Qunich/Skizz book).

what about the rest of Stickleback?

Bundle Helium in there as well and we've got a D'Israeli special!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 04 June, 2019, 01:34:16 PM
Loving the new set of covers. A couple of points /questions on potential contents:

Slaine: Steve Parkhouse's name on the cover suggests more annual stories. I know Slaine has its critics, but it looks like the collection will collect it all, which at least means there's a host of great art to enjoy.

Bad Company: the remaining stories excluding the most recent Rufus Dayglo collaborations total 168 pages, making it a bit on the slim side. Any ideas on potential other inclusions to bulk it out?

Dark Justice: will this include everything from Dark Judges Deadworld volume 1? Strip page count indicates yes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 June, 2019, 07:44:58 PM
Well!

ABC Warriors 4 is a really interesting volume - a bit of an 'odds and sods' book (of the very highest quality, of course). We get Shadow Warriors II and III, as expected, and then the balance of the Rebellion 'Solo missions' volume, minus the Deadlock solo. So that's Red Planet Blues by Moore and Dillon; Dishonourable Discharge by Kev Walker; and Joe Pineapples' Greatest Hits by Tom Carney.

What's really interesting is that we then get three Ro-Busters stories! Hammerstein's War Memoirs (O'Neill, Dorey, Gibbons); Ro-Jaws' Memoirs (Mike Dorey); and Old Red Eyes is Back by Bryan Talbot, from the '83 Annual (it does feature Joe Pineapples after all, so fits very nicely here).

So a nice comprehensive book that almost makes up for the lack of a Ro-Busters book, if a bit all over the place, style-wise.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 04 June, 2019, 08:51:33 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 03 June, 2019, 02:28:55 PM
For the first time ever, the collection is discounted at Hachette. Admittedly it's only a quid off each, but there you go.

I don't usually have a problem with this if it's back stock that's being reduced to clear, but they're offering money off volumes I haven't even received yet, despite having subscribed since day one. Seems a bit rum.

QuoteThey also seem to have removed a whole load of 'out of stock' product from their site all together - like a bunch of the JDMC.

Shame, I was holding out for a restock of Insurrection. Off to eBay I go.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 June, 2019, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 04 June, 2019, 08:34:16 AM
Sure, it just needs bundling with something else (like the DR&Qunich/Skizz book).
Just to clarify, I was referring to the collection rather than the strip itself.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 08 June, 2019, 01:55:14 PM
45, 46 and covers special arrived today. Unfortunately the covers are presented like in the 90s collection, with logos and everything on rather than the clean artwork of the 2000s collection. The slipcase spine now has a foil logo again though unlike the 90s one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 June, 2019, 04:31:32 PM
Nothing here yet. No reply from Hachette. All I have is a warning about charging me for the covers volume I apparently received a letter about (I didn't). Great stuff, as ever.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 08 June, 2019, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 08 June, 2019, 01:55:14 PM
45, 46 and covers special arrived today. Unfortunately the covers are presented like in the 90s collection, with logos and everything on rather than the clean artwork of the 2000s collection. The slipcase spine now has a foil logo again though unlike the 90s one.

Same here. Got delivered in a box that was ripped to shreds but the contents were fine. Surprisingly delivered by Hermes rather than the Royal Mail.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 June, 2019, 10:05:04 AM
holy crap we got some ro busters after all
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 09 June, 2019, 10:25:33 AM
Hatchett delivered by Hermes what could go wrong there  :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 June, 2019, 12:12:33 PM
Mm. They're not even responding to me on Facebook now. Probably not thrilled that I've stated they don't have authorisation to take a payment they've not warned me about, but that they claim they have, and have probably already sent the book for. Which means we'll be in the fun situation of them having taken a payment not only without authorisation, but with me specifically writing to say they cannot.

I'm sure this will end well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 June, 2019, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 08 June, 2019, 01:55:14 PM
45, 46 and covers special arrived today. Unfortunately the covers are presented like in the 90s collection, with logos and everything on rather than the clean artwork of the 2000s collection. The slipcase spine now has a foil logo again though unlike the 90s one.

My 90's one has a foil logo. All 3 do on the spine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 10 June, 2019, 11:54:43 AM
Hermes delivered today in the remains of a box
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 June, 2019, 12:07:24 PM
I just got confirmation that I've been opted out of the covers volume. They totally ignored the query about when my books might actually show up. (Almost six weeks between the previous two deliveries. Now six weeks again since the previous one. And they grumpily told me on Facebook they ship every 28 days and I'm "not behind". Sure. Obviously, issue 47 being on sale is a figment of my imagination.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 June, 2019, 10:58:21 AM
Finally got a response. They've officially listed my books as missing, and so I've been promised four in the dispatch apparently going out today. We'll see.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 June, 2019, 11:10:54 AM
Mine arrived yesterday; in a crushed and torn box which was then left out in the rain by the delivery driver.  Luckily the contents were undamaged.

No idea why Hachette insist on using Hermes or these stupid oversized boxes.  It must be costing them in replacements.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 June, 2019, 01:27:04 PM
Last time I ordered many items at once, I had about a 50% damage rate. And so I'm "looking forward" to asking for half my books to be replaced, assuming they actually show up in a week or two. That said, for all Hachette's service, this is the first time my books haven't shown up at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 June, 2019, 03:02:57 PM
Exciting news about the Alan Moore book - all the original colour pages will be in colour!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 12 June, 2019, 04:38:20 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 June, 2019, 03:02:57 PM
Exciting news about the Alan Moore book - all the original colour pages will be in colour!

Not forgetting that the black and white pages will be in black and white!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 June, 2019, 09:07:27 AM
Towards the end of England's Glory Stickleback uses the phrase:

"There'll be a hot time in the old town tonight"

Which rang a bell with me as a lyric from the song Pigswill by Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VZcHpKsTg

Is Ian a Foetus fan I wondered?

But then knowing Jim Thirlwell (the man behind Foetus) to be another magpie when it comes to lyrics/melodies/art I thought I'd do a little googling.  Turns out the phrase dates back much further to ~1896 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27ll_Be_a_Hot_Time_in_the_Old_Town_Tonight

And the song was featured in Citizen Kane.  Well you learn something new everyday.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 14 June, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
I thought it originated from Jack Nicholson's Joker in Tim Burton's Batman. You can never be over-educated, and all that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 June, 2019, 11:59:10 AM
That's not even its Tooth debut - it was used in Tales of Telguuth before Stickleback (prog 1334)!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 June, 2019, 05:40:13 PM
I wonder if the authors were riffing on the Batman reference or some of the early music/film ones (or both)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 June, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 15 June, 2019, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: sintec on 15 June, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
Update to my graph showing the number of stories we've had from each Prog in the collections so far.


  • The spike at 1138 is the extended episode of Eurocrash which took over the whole of that issue.

Here's a spike at 1138 ;)
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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 June, 2019, 12:25:25 PM
I see Abaslom is returning to the prog for what looks like the second half of a story which is part of a continuity going back a few hundred pages.  How much of that continuity do we expect the 2 Caballistics books to cover?
Is it worth holding fire on reading the currently running Abaslom story until I've caught up? 
Am I likely to spoiler the older stories but jumping in now?
Will the current story make much sense without the knowledge of what came before?

I've put together some speculation on the potential contents of the 2 vols we know we're getting in 2020 based on strip counts from Barney:

Vol 1 (188 pages)
Going Underground (Progs 1322-1326) (32)
Moving In (Progs 1331-1333) (15)
Breaking Out (Progs 1337-1340) (21)
Downtime (Progs 1363-1368) (30)
Krystalnacht (Prog [2004]) (10)
Picking Up The Pieces (Prog 1400) (5)
Creepshow (Prog 1401-1408) (40)
Weird War Tales (Prog [2005]) (10)
Safe House (Progs 1420-1424) (25)

Vol 2: (205 pages)
Northern Dark (Progs 1443-1448) (30)
Strange Bedfellows (Prog [2006]) (10)
Changelings (Progs 1469-1474) (30)
Ashes (Progs 1551-1558) (40)
The Nativity (Prog [2008]) (10)
Visiting Hour (Prog 2111) (wa this another 10?)
Absalom: Noblesse Oblige (Progs 1732-1739) (40)
Absalom: Ghosts of London Progs 1765-1771) (35)

Which would give us all of Cabalistics and the first couple of Absalom stories. That leaves quite a chunk of Absalom missing though.  Is there enough left for an extension volume I wonder?  If the story just starting is another 40 pages then it might just have the page count (I think that's about 160 pages of strip). That's going to be a long way out if it happens at all though. hmmmmm.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 June, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
I guess it depends how big those volumes end up. To date, the 2000 AD ones have been skinnier than the Dredd ones, and so your Vols 1 and 2 seem about right. You could possibly sneak Northern Dark into Vol 1, thereby adding a bit more Absalom, but I've no idea. My guess is we'll basically get the entire Ghosts of London trade (Noblesse Oblige/Sick Leave/Ghosts of London) tacked on the end of the second Cabs book (and comprising about half of the content of that final 2000 AD UC volume).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 June, 2019, 02:16:48 PM
I'll try and find where I saw it mentioned, but we were told ages ago that we'll get the first Absalom story in the second Cabs book.

I would definitely hold fire on reading the current story, sintec, as its the final ever Absalom tale...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 17 June, 2019, 11:19:33 AM
Hmmm. Nearly two weeks since I placed an order for Dante books 1 & 3 and Zombo. Heard nothing and the Hachette website's been down for maintenance since at least last Thursday..
I know from the above that delivers have been getting worse recently and a potential Hermes delivery fills me with dread... What's going on with the website???
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 June, 2019, 11:45:13 AM
Last time I placed a standard order with them, it took quite a bit longer than two weeks to arrive. As for the website, who knows? But this isn't the first time this has happened, and they were active on Facebook on Friday.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 18 June, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Someone on the forum for the Transformers collection said they heard a rumour they went bust. No idea where they got that from but I sent a message on FB. They got back fairly quickly with this
QuoteHey tomontherun94,

At the moment we are unsure when the site will be going back up, we hope it won't take too much longer and we sincerely apologise for the inconvenience it has caused.

Sorry about that!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 June, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
The site's gone down before for days. Presumably it's dealt with using similar stellar levels of competence that you get from the mailing department.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 19 June, 2019, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 June, 2019, 11:45:13 AM
Last time I placed a standard order with them, it took quite a bit longer than two weeks to arrive. As for the website, who knows? But this isn't the first time this has happened, and they were active on Facebook on Friday.

Thanks, messaged them and was told there had been a delay to the order. Should be dispatched this Friday, which is fine but I'm going away the following day!

Waiting to hear who the courier will be. Living in fear it'll be Hermes!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cannco on 19 June, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
Still no sign of 43 and 44. I heard they simply forgot to send them out and don't care what happens with them , even after some retail pressure was applied. Not sure what to do here as if I wait much longer they might go out of stock on the website...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 June, 2019, 12:59:33 PM
Plenty of people have 43/44, so some went out. My take is they're just being especially shite of late.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 19 June, 2019, 01:43:27 PM
As you might imagine, there's some classic stuff in the Alan Moore future-shocks volume. FSs from between progs 200-350, Time Twisters, a smattering of one-offs, the complete misadventures of yours truly, and a couple of Ro-Jaws Robo-Tales. Looking forward to getting stuck in, and hope it's not too long before subscribers can too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 19 June, 2019, 01:53:55 PM
Quote from: Cannco on 19 June, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
Still no sign of 43 and 44. I heard they simply forgot to send them out and don't care what happens with them , even after some retail pressure was applied. Not sure what to do here as if I wait much longer they might go out of stock on the website...

I got my 43 & 44 ages ago. Certainly over 6 weeks. Got 45 & 46 about a week ago.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 19 June, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: Cannco on 19 June, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
Still no sign of 43 and 44. I heard they simply forgot to send them out and don't care what happens with them , even after some retail pressure was applied. Not sure what to do here as if I wait much longer they might go out of stock on the website...

I got mine no problems & received 45/46 about a fortnight ago.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 June, 2019, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Cannco on 19 June, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
Still no sign of 43 and 44. I heard they simply forgot to send them out and don't care what happens with them , even after some retail pressure was applied. Not sure what to do here as if I wait much longer they might go out of stock on the website...

Not sure where you heard this rumour but that's the first I've heard of it - for the record my 43/44 also turned up as expected (so late compared to shops) and 45/46 arrived last week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 19 June, 2019, 06:42:28 PM
Site seems to be back up now
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 22 June, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44203.0;attach=11905;image

So with this and the judge dredd collection anyone know what percentage of 2000ad would of been included in these collections when completed
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 June, 2019, 05:20:01 PM
If you assume ~2200 issues of 2000 AD by the time the 2000 AD collection is done (assuming no extension), that's, what, about 57,000 pages of strip? Each Hachette run is something like 14,000–18,000 pages of strip. So we'll end up with two collections comprising about 30,000 pages – or half a 2000 AD. That doesn't take into account that a chunk of content was taken from the Megazine, though (which by the time the 2000 AD run is done will itself be on issue 424 or thereabouts.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 June, 2019, 07:59:29 PM
I reckon we're at 27264 pages so far in the Collections with the Mega Collection making up 17839 pages of that and the Ultimate Collection about 9425.  We're a little over half way in the Ultimate Collection at this point and don't know if we'll be getting an extension.  But I reckon we'll be a little over 30K pages by the end with no extentsion.

Need some time to tweak my data to extract the % of that which is megazine content.  From a quick look it's going to be a sizeable chunk of the Mega Collection (and tbh seems to include a large % of the worst content).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 June, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
My catch-up parcel arrived yesterday. 45–48, all in one hit. In far better condition than last time, and even compared to the standard deliveries. It seems ordering four books is the way to go – five flummoxes them. Now to wait and see if 49/50 actually rock up in four weeks...

Also, this message currently appears on the Hachette website:

QuoteIn the past week we have experienced some major issues with our distribution centre's IT systems, which has led to delays for shop customers and subscribers alike.

Although you can still browse the e-shop, you will be unable to purchase anything for the next few days until we get the shop fully online again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bedlamvr on 25 June, 2019, 02:01:33 PM
Yeah that has been up for a while - I would say at least before the weekend .... hmmmm :/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 26 June, 2019, 04:04:39 PM
Got an email saying the Hachette shop's back up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 29 June, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
What the heck is going on? I haven't received 41 & 42 but they have apparently been sent 3 times, did not receive 43 & 44 which were sent twice but did get 45 & 46.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 June, 2019, 03:12:51 PM
Ask them to send via recorded delivery/trackable if they can't get stuff to you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 30 June, 2019, 10:56:27 AM
Three times they claim to have sent it and NONE of them have arrived. I find this beyond bizarre at this point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: somebody-nobody on 30 June, 2019, 04:39:37 PM
I opened my Rogue Trooper vol 3 to find the covers pages at the back sealed because of excess paper that was just folded in as if i wouldn't notice. it's a a good thing the kind of people who buy these are not stickler collector types 

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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: somebody-nobody on 30 June, 2019, 04:54:09 PM
has anyone else had this with the pages?
https://imgur.com/a/KWHI6HC (https://imgur.com/a/KWHI6HC)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 June, 2019, 06:51:28 PM
Not with this book, but I had that with some in the Dredd collection. I also had one Strontium Dog book look like someone had taken a knife to the pages. Ask for a replacement.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 30 June, 2019, 07:08:29 PM
I'm sorely considering cancelling when I see the forthcoming list on Wiki. The amount and frequency of Slaine is despairing when it's not a series you're fussed on. I just feel there are so many other things that could have been considered. We've still no word on an extension and even then if that follows the Dress pattern it might only be ten books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: somebody-nobody on 30 June, 2019, 08:41:47 PM
I won't even dream of asking for a replacement after the issues of the first volume, I paid for it didn't get it posted after providing the order number and email from the company they still asked for proof of purchase so about 6 different people I emailed and pictures of my bank statement redacted then in full and weeks of " we have no record of your purchase" they finally sent The Horned God for €1.99 so no subscription for me after that I just cherry pick the ones I'm interested in, if I can open them to read them
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 July, 2019, 01:44:40 AM
I would probably do that, but the trouble with part works is that regular newsagents generally don't bother stocking them after a set number of issues and with all the partworks who can blame them.

I suppose if I had a Forbidden Planet or decent dedicated comic shop near me it would be possible, but otherwise....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 July, 2019, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 30 June, 2019, 07:08:29 PM
I'm sorely considering cancelling when I see the forthcoming list on Wiki. The amount and frequency of Slaine is despairing when it's not a series you're fussed on. I just feel there are so many other things that could have been considered. We've still no word on an extension and even then if that follows the Dress pattern it might only be ten books.

Still lots of other good things to come to; the rest of Nikolai Dante, Strontium Dog, ABC Warriors, Caballistics Inc., Sin Dex.

If you can't stand the Slaine Forbidden Planet have been taking pre-orders for most volumes online so you could probably use that as a reasonably secure method of cherry picking.  That or lurk on ebay, I managed to get most of the Mega Collection that way for a reasonable price but of course there are no guarantees going that route.

Guess we're still a way out from any confirmation of an extension - was it around vol 60 that got announced for the Mega? Got my fingers crossed though, so many good things that could be included there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 01 July, 2019, 10:06:47 AM
Astonishingly my copies of #47 & #48 have just arrived, so I'm pretty much caught up.

At one stage about 6 months ago I was about 6 weeks behind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 01 July, 2019, 06:48:31 PM
Nice surprise to receive 47 and 48 today first time it's been delivered before payment was collected for months
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 01 July, 2019, 06:49:23 PM
With regards to a possible extension what would people want to expect
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 01 July, 2019, 09:25:35 PM
The Dead

Firekind

Summer Magic

Zenith

Lobster Random

The Zaucer of Zilk

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 July, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
Some other recent long running strips like Defoe would be welcome. Thinking about that chart that shows how much overall Tooth is already collected it feels like they've shot their load with the true classics already. VCs & Dan Dare maybe for vintage strips. Flesh. I'd want The War Machine and Strontium dogs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 July, 2019, 12:18:21 AM
Perhaps also Leviathan, Jaegir.

If there was a Dredd book, Black Atlantic.

More Savage, but that would be more than has already been printed, so unlikely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bedlamvr on 02 July, 2019, 02:22:31 AM
Quote from: moly on 01 July, 2019, 06:49:23 PM
With regards to a possible extension what would people want to expect

I would like to see some indigo prime / winwood and cord

The other I would like to see is zeneth
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 July, 2019, 04:07:27 AM
anything by john smith....just anything
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 02 July, 2019, 08:28:54 AM
John Smith for sure, but also newer stuff like Absalom, Scarlet Traces, Brass Sun,
Brink, Ten Seconders etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 July, 2019, 08:36:31 AM
Following on from things already in the collection:
3rd book of Kingdom
More SinDex
Absalom (hopefully compiling everything from Cabs V2 up to and including the strip currently running in the prog)
2nd book Stickleback (again hopefully collection everything published to date)
More Savage (looks like there's a lot more than the 2 vols we're getting)
More ABC Warriors (I suspect we're not getting all the Return to stuff in the remaining vols)
More Dredd (Dominion maybe?)
Are we missing any Strontium Dog or will we be complete by the end of the collection?

New titles:
Brink
Zenith (I suspect this one is unlikely)
Red Seas
Firekind
Indigo Prime
Scarlet Traces
Brass Sun
Jaegir
Leviathan
Cradlegrave
The Ten Seconders

Early years (as Tomwe said this is pretty well mined already):
Flesh
VCs
Shako (I blame the Space Spinner 2000 guys for making this sound good).

Some subset of that lot would be lovely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: seitani on 03 July, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
I've rekindled my love for dredd books and started collecting these hachette partworks books and now i have all the most well known story archs. So what do you recommend for so called "sleeper hit" books that i should collect. I live in Finland so i've mostly had to use ebay and amazon to buy these.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 July, 2019, 07:17:26 PM
Quote from: seitani on 03 July, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
I've rekindled my love for dredd books and started collecting these hachette partworks books and now i have all the most well known story archs.

I'm assuming this means you've got most of 1-6 and 31-51 which to my mind covers most of the big Epics.

Others worth grabbing if you can find them:

70    Mad City
84    Crazy Town
85    Tales of Ordinary Madness
Are all superb.  Mostly focusing on crazy citizens doing mad things.

90    Lawless
Simply stunning; story and art are truly next level. This is a masterpiece of Dreddverse comics.  Insurrection is from the same author and is kinda a prequel and also well worth considering.

28    The Life And Crimes Of PJ Maybe
By far the best of the "baddies" compilations.

82    Day of Chaos: Aftermath
If you've not got it already some good follow up stories from DoC

After that it really depends how much you want to get into the non-Dredd Dreddverse stories.  There are 7 volumes of Anderson stuff which is all pretty decent. 3 volumes of Devlin Waugh which are superb (14-16).  I really loved the Low Life and Simping detective stuff (19-21) and they're a great intro to the Trifecta arc.  And the 3 Missionary Man volumes (64-66) are great as was Cursed Earth Koburn (67).

Volumes to avoid imo:
13    Stars of Psi Division
17    Weird Science
27    Fallen Angels
56    Beyond Mega-City One
57    Calhab Justice
58    The World At Law
59    Behind The Iron Curtain
76    Klegg Hai!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 03 July, 2019, 09:02:15 PM
I really hope an extension means they collect brink, and some John Smith stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 July, 2019, 09:28:04 PM
I seem to recall discussing if Brink might make an extension sometime in the past and discovering all 3 runs would be too much for 1 vol - first 2 would be plausible though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 03 July, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Can I inject some positivity into this thread? I've been getting mine from my local comic shop since day one, and the latest Slaine just landed (49, I think). Very pleasantly surprised- been getting narked off with the sheer amount of Slaine and ABC's in this collection, but I really enjoyed Treasures Of Britain.
Yes, one or two of the volumes have some printing issues, but mostly I'm thrilled that my collection is building up nicely and I've always got something to read. Also (in the case of Sinister Dexter and Dante, for example), I've found myself really enjoying some strips that I've never been able to get into in the prog, which has been a wonderful surprise!
Todays been a day of catching up on some volumes I've not got round to reading, and even if some leave me cold (genuinely can't see what's so good about ABC Warriors), I've had a great day just losing myself in the Galaxy's greatest. So glad I went along with this collection from the beginning.

PS. Come on, this collection NEEDS Zenith!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 03 July, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 03 July, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Can I inject some positivity into this thread? I've been getting mine from my local comic shop since day one, and the latest Slaine just landed (49, I think). Very pleasantly surprised- been getting narked off with the sheer amount of Slaine and ABC's in this collection, but I really enjoyed Treasures Of Britain.
Yes, one or two of the volumes have some printing issues, but mostly I'm thrilled that my collection is building up nicely and I've always got something to read. Also (in the case of Sinister Dexter and Dante, for example), I've found myself really enjoying some strips that I've never been able to get into in the prog, which has been a wonderful surprise!
Todays been a day of catching up on some volumes I've not got round to reading, and even if some leave me cold (genuinely can't see what's so good about ABC Warriors), I've had a great day just losing myself in the Galaxy's greatest. So glad I went along with this collection from the beginning.

PS. Come on, this collection NEEDS Zenith!

I'm looking forward to this Slaine vol as well, ties in with when I stopped reading 2000AD so will all be new to me & interested to see where the story goes.

Personally I'm loving the series as it's a mix of the classics I read as a kid & a lot of the new stuff (to me anyway) which has been great & deserves its place in the collection.

I agree about Zenith in the extension.
Would also love to see Luke Kirby, as well as vague memories of loving both Mean Arena & Harry 20 on the hard rock.
Very surprised neither Flesh or Shako have made the original run to be honest.
Also stunned that such a popular character as Dredd only has 3 books out of 80, yeah I know we've had the Mega Collection but there is a lot of great stuff that wasn't included in the 90 books that would fit in nicely here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 July, 2019, 12:59:48 AM
Well last time I hadn't been able to pick up my order so this week was Future Shocks and another blasted Slaine book.  Neither exactly a top choice, but I'll keep an open mind.

I'm trying to think what could appear in an extension.

I'm surprised none of the sports strips like Harlem Heroes/Inferno or Mean Arena/Mean Streets.  Personally I'm not bothered as I have the Harlem/Inferno phonebook and I don't think Mean Arena was a particularly great strip if I remember right.

It would also depend on how long an extension would be, whether it would be the same as Dredd, 10 books, or more.

I am surprised Flesh isn't there, it may be a bit cheesy by present standards but still....Shako is another puzzling one.  Again its a bit dated and I was lucky enough to pick up the trade from a charity shop.

I do suspect that the lack of VC's is because we already have a number of future war strips, Rogue Trooper, Bad Company and portions of ABC Warriors.  The VC's in my opinion dated better than some and the relaunched strip set some years later was pretty good in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 July, 2019, 08:06:41 AM
I've been really enjoying the Future Shocks volume - this Alan Moore bloke is quite good.  Definitely one to dip in and out of though.

The length of an extension really does make a difference to what we could expect - if we're only getting 10 vols then it seems less likely we'll get things like Red Seas which would require 2+ volumes.

Looking at The V.C.s, the original run would be too short to make up a single volume by itself (129 pages).  But with the newer DAbnett stuff it'd be a very nice fit for 2 vols of ~190 each.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 July, 2019, 09:01:51 AM
Flesh Book 1 + Shako would make a great early 2000AD double creature feature vol.  Would love to see that in an extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 05 July, 2019, 11:36:21 AM
Could anyone who has received it please post which stories are featured in the latest Slaine book. Thank you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 July, 2019, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 05 July, 2019, 11:36:21 AM
Could anyone who has received it please post which stories are featured in the latest Slaine book. Thank you.

Bowels of Hell
Treasures of Britain book 1
Ukko's Tale/The Cloak of Fear
Treasures of Britain book 2
The Demon Hitchhiker
King of Hearts
The Arrow of God
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: geronimo on 05 July, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
I am living in south east Ireland and recently decided to order these from a newsagent, but after a few weeks of nothing turning up I was finally told that they can't get them though they could earlier on in the series.
They only seem to turn up sporadically  in other book shops so I am wondering if the print numbers are dropping. I really get the impression that this collection hasn't really taken off.
Last year I was collecting the  deAgnostini Art Gallery series which promised to be 60 issues but it stopped at 40, so these companies do cut their losses when they have to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 05 July, 2019, 10:55:44 PM
It would be a shame if it hasn't as it's really an excellent series. The standard is far better than the Mega Collection. These are a lovely format to have so many great 2000ad series in. I almost wish I was reading them for the first time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 July, 2019, 10:18:11 PM
My explanation of Future Shocks isn't that its a bad title, its that I had picked up the old trade in softcover from a charity shop and wasn't really fussed about another edition, however, theres the chance that it might have stuff not in the softcover.  I had been rereading my Dan Dare books and Kreeler Conspiracy and Traitor to His Kind so I'm on catch up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 07 July, 2019, 12:39:42 PM
Quote from: geronimo on 05 July, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
I am living in south east Ireland and recently decided to order these from a newsagent, but after a few weeks of nothing turning up I was finally told that they can't get them though they could earlier on in the series.
They only seem to turn up sporadically  in other book shops so I am wondering if the print numbers are dropping. I really get the impression that this collection hasn't really taken off.
Last year I was collecting the  deAgnostini Art Gallery series which promised to be 60 issues but it stopped at 40, so these companies do cut their losses when they have to.

Living also in the South East this weeks Slaine and another from May can't recall didn't turn up in my local newsagent/bookshop. Hopefully its only a temporary thing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 07 July, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
Art aside, I found the latest Slaine volume a drag, with the exception of the story in verse, which was fun. I know we have Uncle Pat to thank for us all talking about this stuff on here after so many years, but I found his scripts po-faced and confusing, and the whole thing just seemed a rehash of The Horned God. Ho-hum.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 07 July, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 07 July, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
Art aside, I found the latest Slaine volume a drag, with the exception of the story in verse, which was fun. I know we have Uncle Pat to thank for us all talking about this stuff on here after so many years, but I found his scripts po-faced and confusing, and the whole thing just seemed a rehash of The Horned God. Ho-hum.

I think it's just a condition of an ongoing strip lasting decades. Anderson and Sinister Dexter split opinion in similar ways, while the highs of Wagner Dredd are so great we gladly overlook periods of forgettable dross.

Mills is up-front about it; if he earned royalties on all new stories using his characters, he'd have buggered off to the Algarve years ago and we'd have been enjoying John Tomlinson's Slaine and Tony Lee's ABC Warriors.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 07 July, 2019, 05:09:09 PM
He hasn't been in 2000AD for a while though. I'm not a massive fan of his recent stories, I thought the last two Savage books were the best from what I've read. But it's not the same without his voice in 2000AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 July, 2019, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: athorist on 07 July, 2019, 05:09:09 PM
He hasn't been in 2000AD for a while though. I'm not a massive fan of his recent stories, I thought the last two Savage books were the best from what I've read. But it's not the same without his voice in 2000AD.
Slaine and Defoe back soon!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 07 July, 2019, 09:52:59 PM

To the delight of fans and haters alike, Mills is concentrating his considerable energies on his creator-owned Space Warp (https://www.millsverse.com/spacewarp/) project.


Mills is contributing to another anthology for the Francophone market, Gryyym (https://www.millsverse.com/sw2monetisation/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 July, 2019, 05:15:57 PM
Quote from: moly on 22 June, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44203.0;attach=11905;image

So with this and the judge dredd collection anyone know what percentage of 2000ad would of been included in these collections when completed

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 June, 2019, 05:20:01 PM
If you assume ~2200 issues of 2000 AD by the time the 2000 AD collection is done (assuming no extension), that's, what, about 57,000 pages of strip? Each Hachette run is something like 14,000–18,000 pages of strip. So we'll end up with two collections comprising about 30,000 pages – or half a 2000 AD. That doesn't take into account that a chunk of content was taken from the Megazine, though (which by the time the 2000 AD run is done will itself be on issue 424 or thereabouts.

Ok so I finally got around to playing about with the data I've collected to see if I could get a reasonable estimate of this.  It's not perfect as I've not got precise counts for Meg vs Prog on things like Judgement Day which ran across both publications. In those case I've taken an estimate of the number of prog pages by multipling the number of issue by 6 and then assigning the remaining pages of the stroy to the Meg.  Overall I don't think that's going to distort things too much though.





    ProgMegOther    Total
Mega Colllection    98007600323    17700
Ultimate Colllection    950078124    9679

These numbers include Volume 49 as that's the last one I know the contents of.  Interestingly we've now had nearly as many pages of Prog in the Ultimate Collection as in the entire 90 volumes of the Mega Collection!  42% of the Mega Collection was Megazine content

Assuming the upcoming volumes have a similar page count to the ones we've seen so far we going to have ~15500 pages of Prog in an 80 volume Ultimate Collection.  That jumps to ~17,500 if we get a 10 book extension.

Using IndigoPrimes estimate of ~57000 pages of 2000AD published by the time we get to the end of the collection that gives us an estimate of 44% of the prog reprinted across both collections assuming no extension. 47% if we get a 10 book extension. And a 20 book extension would almost certainly mean more than 50% of the Prog being included across the two collections by completion. (note these %s do not account for the page count of prog being printed during the extensions but I don't think it makes an enormous difference).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 July, 2019, 08:18:34 PM
Okay, I finally got round to reading the Slaine book.  Mainly because I finished off reading Dan Dare, finishing the Peter May crime book I'd been going through and the two Johnny Alpha books.

I must admit, while I'd still prefer a few less Slaine, I didn't think this book was too bad.  I skipped the story that was done in verse though as I just don't have the patience for that sort of thing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 14 July, 2019, 07:53:58 AM
Sintec looking at them figures nearly 50% of 2000ad back catalogue is a massive amount no wonder they brought the British treasury stuff as they wont have much left to bring out if you include zenith, flesh, Harlem heroes, Dan dare, Harlem heroes there isn't a lot left
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 14 July, 2019, 11:34:21 AM
I highly doubt the maths here.

If each prog has 36 pages (usually), multiply that by 2140 and you get 77,040 pages. That's just the weekly prog, not specials, annuals or the Megazine.

Divide that by 80 volumes, and you get 963 pages per volume. Are they really that big? I don't think so.

I have a complete collection, and it takes up a huge amount of space. The idea that you could reprint half of that material in 80 volumes seemed unlikely even before I started doing sums.

Quoteif you include zenith, flesh, Harlem heroes, Dan dare, Harlem heroes there isn't a lot left

I'm sorry but that is just preposterous. If you think that's all there is to 2000AD then you just don't know the comic at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 14 July, 2019, 11:42:44 AM
Correction: there are in fact 32 pages in an average prog. X 2140 = 68,480. Divide by 80 = 856 pages per volume. Divide by 2 (to get half the comic's output) = 428 pages per volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 14 July, 2019, 11:55:50 AM
My mistake -- I missed the bit where you said across both collections.

Astonishing to think that so much of the comic has been reprinted so quickly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 14 July, 2019, 12:18:08 PM
I'm sorry but that is just preposterous. If you think that's all there is to 2000AD then you just don't know the comic at al

Nice of you to slag me off Richard without actually reading the entire post and when I mentioned some titles it was only as an example, but if you think I don't know the comic at all after reading it for 40 years I bow down to your obviously superior knowledge
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 July, 2019, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: Richard on 14 July, 2019, 11:42:44 AM
Correction: there are in fact 32 pages in an average prog. X 2140 = 68,480. Divide by 80 = 856 pages per volume. Divide by 2 (to get half the comic's output) = 428 pages per volume.
Also, be mindful there are 32 pages in the average Prog, but not 32 pages of strip. My original estimate of the Prog was on the basis of 26 pages os trip per issue. (Older Progs tended to have a lot more advertising than current ones – but even now, 28 pages of strip isn't a given.) I've no idea about the Meg, mind, given the regular format changes, and the periods where there was a ton of reprint. So figuring out the amount of original content from that publication that's been in these collections would be a mite tougher.

As for extensions, it'll be interesting to see whether it's viable, and also what would be in the mix. My guess: we'd see quite a bit of Dredd, given that most of the big guns would have been collected by then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 July, 2019, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: Richard on 14 July, 2019, 11:42:44 AM
Correction: there are in fact 32 pages in an average prog. X 2140 = 68,480. Divide by 80 = 856 pages per volume. Divide by 2 (to get half the comic's output) = 428 pages per volume.

Thanks Richard that's a much higher page count than the one I used so it will definitely drag the %s down a bit. I'm a relative new comer having only ever read the occassional prog in the 90s prior to getting into the Ultimate collection. The reason I posted my working was to allow for discussion and critique from those with a deeper knowledge in order to help get a more accurate answer.

Reworking in light of this info:

We're currently on prog 2139 but need to allow for the progs being published between now and the end of the run - 2200 seems a decent enough rough estimate for the issue we'll be on come Sep 9th 2020 whent the last book is currently scheduled to be published. If the average prog is 32 pages then that'd be 70,400 pages in total by Sep 2020.

Doing the %s this is:







Publication    Pages   % of Prog
Mega Collection    9800  14%
Ultimate Collection (so far)    9500  13%
Ultimate Collection (est 80 books)    15500  22%
Ultimate Collection (est 90 books)    17500  25%
Ultimate Collection (est 100 books)    19400  28%

Giving us a slightly lower estimate of between 35% and 41% of the Prog depending on whether we get an extension to the run and how long it is.  Does that feel closer to the mark to you?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 July, 2019, 12:55:19 PM
Ahh and I see whilst I was busing typing IndigoPrime has stated the working for his estimate of 57000.  :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 July, 2019, 01:03:57 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 July, 2019, 12:43:50 PM
I've no idea about the Meg, mind, given the regular format changes, and the periods where there was a ton of reprint. So figuring out the amount of original content from that publication that's been in these collections would be a mite tougher.

Yeah I'm not going anywhere near that one - way to many variables.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 July, 2019, 12:43:50 PM
As for extensions, it'll be interesting to see whether it's viable, and also what would be in the mix. My guess: we'd see quite a bit of Dredd, given that most of the big guns would have been collected by then.
A hardback or 2 collecting the main arcs following on from Titan (I think that was the most recent Dredd arc in the Mega Collection wasn't it?) would be sweet actually.  Hadn't considered that but seems like quite a plausible candidate now you mention it; maybe I'll hold fire on those trades pending an announcement.

It feels like there's possibly a sequel to the Dark Justice book due the end of the month too - do we know for certain what that will include yet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 14 July, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
Apologies Moly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 14 July, 2019, 02:45:21 PM
Cheers richard :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 15 July, 2019, 11:02:56 AM
On the 2000 AD wikipedia page there is a pdf of what strips have been printed up to Prog 2100. I downloaded it and use a PDF highlighter to mark whats been printed in the Ultimate collection just to keep a list of what has and hasn't been reprinted   
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 July, 2019, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: paulbyrnewex on 15 July, 2019, 11:02:56 AM
On the 2000 AD wikipedia page there is a pdf of what strips have been printed up to Prog 2100. I downloaded it and use a PDF highlighter to mark whats been printed in the Ultimate collection just to keep a list of what has and hasn't been reprinted

Oooh how had I not found that before; that's glorious.  Shouldn't be too hard to turn that into a form I can read with a script and then I can do a straight compare with a similar list built from the Ultimate Collection and Mega Collection data I have.  It might give me the means to accurately account for the occasional variance in the number of stories per prog which is a bit hit or miss so far.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 15 July, 2019, 09:52:04 PM
Apologies I should have posted the wiki link for anyone that may be interested. The PDF is available to download from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2000_AD_stories
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 15 July, 2019, 11:23:36 PM
Also all the Dredd stories here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Dredd2AD.pdf (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Dredd2AD.pdf)

and here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/DreddMEG.pdf (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/DreddMEG.pdf)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 July, 2019, 07:54:04 AM
So much lovely data :)

With those Dredd lists I should be able to answer the question "what % of Dredd have we seen reprinted in the collections?".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 16 July, 2019, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: paulbyrnewex on 15 July, 2019, 09:52:04 PM
Apologies I should have posted the wiki link for anyone that may be interested. The PDF is available to download from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2000_AD_stories

Whilst I applaud who ever had taken the time to put this together, as it is certainly a great resource, I can't help but spot a mistake on the first page - the first series of ABC Warriors from Prog 119 to Prog 139 is not listed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 16 July, 2019, 01:49:12 PM
Yes it is, at the top.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 16 July, 2019, 08:09:48 PM
Oh yeah so it is..the way it is laid out makes that hard to spot.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 17 July, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
Bad Company volume 2 collects:

The Krool Heart
Young Men Marching
Simply
Kano
Down Among the Dead Men
Saving Private Franks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 17 July, 2019, 02:09:15 PM
Where does the story 'Saving Private Franks' come from (?) - I can't see it on Barney??
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 July, 2019, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 17 July, 2019, 02:09:15 PM
Where does the story 'Saving Private Franks' come from (?) - I can't see it on Barney??

Saving Private Franks (2000 AD Progs 2002[notes 11] & 1273-1277)
According to the Ultimate Collection wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD:_The_Ultimate_Collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 July, 2019, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 17 July, 2019, 02:09:15 PM
Where does the story 'Saving Private Franks' come from (?) - I can't see it on Barney??

Usually called (much less poetically) 'Bad Company 2002'.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 17 July, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
Quick question for subscribers- the wallet that served as a gift, is it in any way decent? I'm after a wallet to replace my Marvel one that's a bit knackered and would prefer a 2000ad branded one. None on the website, etc, but there's a subs gift one on ebay. Most importantly, does it have a *ZIPPED* COIN POCKET?
Thanks in advance.
SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 July, 2019, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 17 July, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
Quick question for subscribers- the wallet that served as a gift, is it in any way decent? I'm after a wallet to replace my Marvel one that's a bit knackered and would prefer a 2000ad branded one. None on the website, etc, but there's a subs gift one on ebay. Most importantly, does it have a *ZIPPED* COIN POCKET?
Thanks in advance.
SBT

My opinion; this was the lamest of the free gifts sent to subscribers and is probably not worth paying the postage price for.  I honestly can't recall if it had a zipped coin pocket or not but given the no expense production values I doubt it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 18 July, 2019, 01:06:44 PM
Thanks- I feared as much. Oh well, plan (b).

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 July, 2019, 06:55:27 PM
Not entirely on-thread, but Hachette's Transformers series has been extended to 100 issues. I only mention it as it bodes well for an extension to this one too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 18 July, 2019, 07:11:18 PM
If they extend this to 100 hope they include red seas
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 July, 2019, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 18 July, 2019, 06:55:27 PMNot entirely on-thread, but Hachette's Transformers series has been extended to 100 issues.
Good, on the basis that the existing length was absurd. It was supposed to cover from the original Marvel books through to the end of the IDW run (pre-reboot), but there weren't enough pages. Mind you, the repro was absolute dogshit on the Marvel US stuff, sadly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 July, 2019, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: moly on 18 July, 2019, 07:11:18 PM
If they extend this to 100 hope they include red seas

I doubt it will happen but I'd adore a complete hardcover Red Seas collection, in the way we're getting  a Dante one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 July, 2019, 07:48:27 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 18 July, 2019, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: moly on 18 July, 2019, 07:11:18 PM
If they extend this to 100 hope they include red seas

I doubt it will happen but I'd adore a complete hardcover Red Seas collection, in the way we're getting  a Dante one.
How many volumes would cover Red Seas?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 July, 2019, 07:51:55 AM
Four. Or three if they go for really thick volumes, but they might breach the 250pp rule then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 July, 2019, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 July, 2019, 07:51:55 AM
Four. Or three if they go for really thick volumes, but they might breach the 250pp rule then.
Hm for a prospective 10-20 vol extension that would seem like quite a lot to commit to one series. Guess it depends just how much Matt Smith likes it. I expect we would get at least one new Dredd book in there since we're still talking over a year til the end of the original 80.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 July, 2019, 10:15:42 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 19 July, 2019, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 July, 2019, 07:51:55 AM
Four. Or three if they go for really thick volumes, but they might breach the 250pp rule then.
Hm for a prospective 10-20 vol extension that would seem like quite a lot to commit to one series.

That makes me think it more likely? To my mind part of the viability of an extension is surely in the lack (or otherwise) of suitable material. There could easily be another 30 books' worth here...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 July, 2019, 10:26:42 AM
4 - Red Seas
1- Indigo prime
1 - Absalom
2 - Defoe
1 - Brink
1 - Kingdom
1 - Strontium Dog
1 - Atavar
1 - Flesh (possibly 2, with the new stuff)
1 -ABC Warriors
1 - Savage
1 - Stickleback (presuming the new (final?) series has run by then).
1 - Firekind/Leatherjack (a 'John Smith' grab-bag, basically)
2 - Sinister Dexter

That's 20 off the top of my head, before you add any Dreddworld stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 19 July, 2019, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 July, 2019, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 18 July, 2019, 06:55:27 PMNot entirely on-thread, but Hachette's Transformers series has been extended to 100 issues.
Good, on the basis that the existing length was absurd. It was supposed to cover from the original Marvel books through to the end of the IDW run (pre-reboot), but there weren't enough pages. Mind you, the repro was absolute dogshit on the Marvel US stuff, sadly.

It wasn't suppose to cover all of IDW it was the standard number for a partwork collection and It was up to the editors of the collection to fit as much as possible into the 80 issues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 July, 2019, 11:14:10 AM
I've not heard that before. My understanding was it was supposed to cover everything from G1 they could get the rights to, but that would fall short of the ending of IDW's run – which was bonkers. And there is no 'standard' partwork length. It's just Hachette's been launching with 80 volumes for a while now. The Marvel run was originally 60, remember (and then extended to 120, 170, 200, 220, and presumably soon beyond).

As for another 20 books for the 2000 AD run, I wouldn't hate Dark Jimbo's selection, although I don't really care for Defoe and Sin/Dex. One Indigo Prime book seems at least one too few, though! (The one that will annoy me if there's an extension and it's omitted is Firekind. I've also said that twinned with Leatherjack would be fab. I'll put up with 19 books of Mills rants if I can get that volume.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 19 July, 2019, 01:53:47 PM
Lobster Random / The Vort should be in any expansion.

The 10 Seconders would make a pretty good book two, as would The Grievous..

There is a whole slew of great Megazine Dredd that seems untapped too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 July, 2019, 02:21:21 PM
Quote from: BPP on 19 July, 2019, 01:53:47 PM
Lobster Random / The Vort should be in any expansion.

The 10 Seconders would make a pretty good book two, as would The Grievous..

Oh shit, of course Lobster Random! It's got no ending, but there's no reason not to release the first trilogy. Ten Seconders is a great shout too.

Ichabod Azrael's already going to be in the UC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 July, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Ten Seconders reads nicely as a single volume. It's only fully in digital, too, right? But that means the repro's there. Ideal fodder for an extension, then, since it's obviously not viable for Rebellion to release as a trade, yet could form part of an ongoing collection. Same also with Red Seas, although I'd only want that to be in the UC if said collection was confirmed to include all of it. As in, please don't extend by ten books and bung one Red Seas volume in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 July, 2019, 03:31:46 PM
Damnation Station would be another good one - complete story, fits nicely in one book, and some great art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 July, 2019, 03:11:18 PM
Dark Jimbos list looks pretty solid - some subset of that with a Dredd book or 2 would certainly keep me signed up for a few more months.

Would be nice to see The V.Cs in there, I think 2 volumes should be enough page count for both the early run and the later Abnett one which would be sweet.

As much as I want it I strongly suspect we're not going to be getting Zenith (still holding off on buying that separately for now, just in case).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 21 July, 2019, 04:23:27 PM
When was the Dredd extension announced? Around issue 60?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 21 July, 2019, 06:30:23 PM
Never read Leviathan, any extension could bundle the as-near-as-damnit-ending of Stickleback with this. Split volumes are a bit unsatisfying but that one would make sense...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 21 July, 2019, 07:36:27 PM
At least two volumes of John Smith stuff is required. Indigo Prime, Revere, Leatherjack....plus somebody on here keeps banging on about Firekind, they may have a point. And the Robo-Hunter one-off with Chris Weston, which I don't think has been reprinted elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 21 July, 2019, 07:48:30 PM
Probably a non-starter, but I'd like to see a complete Defoe in hardcovers (especially as it seems there will be no more trades from Rebellion).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 22 July, 2019, 11:03:50 AM
Any chance they'd consider doing a second book of Lawless under the Ultimate Collection banner, to follow on from the Mega Collection one? It'd look funny on the shelf, but it's too good a strip not to have in hardback!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 July, 2019, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 21 July, 2019, 04:23:27 PMWhen was the Dredd extension announced? Around issue 60?
I don't recall, but the Transformers one just went out, and that series is in the mid-60s. If the 2000 AD one works similarly, that suggests we'd find out if there's an extension around the end of the year – or the beginning of 2020.

Quote from: abelardsnazz on 21 July, 2019, 07:36:27 PM
At least two volumes of John Smith stuff is required. Indigo Prime, Revere, Leatherjack....plus somebody on here keeps banging on about Firekind, they may have a point.
It me! And others also. Firekind's never had any proper reprint (just one of those Extreme Editions), and it's a classic. Needs doing properly.

Oh, and in news that will shock no-one, 49/50 aren't here on time. SURPRISE!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 July, 2019, 05:42:45 PM
Used some recent time off to play with that lovely pdf linked by paulbyrnewex a couple of pages back.  With a bit of faffing around I've turned it into this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pI9fmow5c28IEFVcrnnbHvNOj9lROi-Rj0pWIwAvDcE/edit?usp=sharing

First sheet is basically a listing of the stories from each prog based on the data in that pdf annotated with which Mega Collection or Ultimate Collection Volume they appeared in.  The second sheet gives us a count of the number of stories in each prog and the % of those that have been collected (so far).

I still need to integrate the richer Judge Dredd data from the pdfs Richard linked.  As a result the majority of the Dredd stories are currently lacking titles (that's the way they were listed in the original pdf). That's for another day though as I've had enough of this for today.

Big take home is (assuming I've not cocked something up massively) we've already had nearly 32% of the Prog reprinted!  The number comes out higher than my previous estimates because this data is more accurately accounting for times the prog has had less then 5 stories.  We also have a slightly longer list of complete Progs (some due to the Alan Moore book some due to better data meaning I'm now able to see complete progs which had < 5 stories).

257, 320, 322-325, 327, 329-332, 334-341, 343-359, 363, 433, 450, 555-556, 1138, 1150, 1569-1573

Anyway feel free to have a look over the data or grab a copy to play with.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 28 July, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
Still have not received my missing issues but there is a parcel out for redelivery to me next week - no idea what's in it though, hopefully all 4. No money taken so far this month and no issues received. The last issues I got where 45/46 & covers. How far behind am I now?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 28 July, 2019, 09:59:14 AM
47 and 48 have been delivered and 49 and 50 is showing on the hatchette page so should be delivered in the next week or so
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 July, 2019, 11:07:07 AM
Five weeks since I got 47/48. Top quality scheduling, as ever.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 28 July, 2019, 04:05:21 PM
They haven't even taken payment for 47/48.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 29 July, 2019, 07:48:23 AM
At one stage I was as far behind as anyone on this forum but somehow (I don't keep track of these things) I'm caught up. Got 47 & 48 at least 2 weeks ago and 49 & 50 have had the money taken and have been posted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 July, 2019, 08:25:49 AM
I cancelled my Hachette sub & order through Forbidden Planet now. #51 will be delivered in next few days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 29 July, 2019, 09:55:56 AM
Lo and behold issues 49 and 50 have just arrived.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 July, 2019, 10:34:47 AM
Same here, Mattofthespurs – a week late, but in decent condition. As for catching up, that's happened to me twice now, and then at some point it's been 6–8 weeks between deliveries.

Not sure I'd want to go the FP route for the entire run (it'd cost an extra 120 quid), but those partwork books I have bought from them have been mailed in properly bomb-proof packaging.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 29 July, 2019, 10:47:55 AM
I would cancel and get the books from Smiths like I do for Transformers but I'm a schmuck who went for premium for the figurines.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 July, 2019, 10:59:14 AM
Our local WHS doesn't get any partworks in now, and when I asked about subscribing I was met with a "we might be able to get it in for you, but cannot guarantee it". So I was like "nope".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 July, 2019, 11:16:51 AM
I got curious and decided to see if the scheduling was really as bad as I thought, or if it was all in my mind. So here are the delivery records I have for this subscription, going back to last autumn. The // date is the one deliveries should be on, if you track forward 28 days from the first delivery. Something clearly went badly wrong around Christmas, but it's not like the other dates are especially impressive. (Imagine your 2000 AD slipped 38 days in nine months...)

31/32: 12 Oct
33/34: 9 Nov (28 days) // 9 Nov
35/36: 7 Dec (28 days) // 7 Dec
37/38: 1 Feb (56 days) // 4 Jan
39/40: 8 March (36 days) // 1 Feb
41/42: 11 March (3 days) // 1 Mar
43/44: 8 May (58 days) // 29 mar
45/46: [never arrived] // 26 Apr
47/48+45/46: 24 June (47 days) // 24 May
49/50: 29 July (35 days) // 21 Jun

There's only one other publisher I can think of where the scheduling is a mess and where you don't get what you bought until longer after it's in stores: Titan. (The much maligned Doctor Who: Tales from the TARDIS comic, which should probably just be put out of its misery.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 July, 2019, 12:21:32 PM
Cover up for Dante volume 5:

(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/KcjtRiNgDjm6q58Hivujo9Xsw3Y=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/3e/2f/534b960122aa21049087082ce7a97e2d09d9.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 July, 2019, 12:37:11 PM
Haven't always loved the cover choices in this collection, but that's a cracker.

And gives a good flavour of the contents, to boot! Hope it runs from 'Hell and High Water' right through to 'Dragon's Island,' which is a hell of an image to end on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 July, 2019, 12:58:56 PM
A whole book of John Burns is quite a feat as well!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 July, 2019, 05:34:13 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 29 July, 2019, 12:37:11 PM
And gives a good flavour of the contents, to boot! Hope it runs from 'Hell and High Water' right through to 'Dragon's Island,' which is a hell of an image to end on.

That runs to 252 pages inc title pages... Slightly too much to fit in?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 29 July, 2019, 05:49:37 PM
Is that this week's book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 July, 2019, 06:07:32 PM
This week is Dark Justice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 29 July, 2019, 06:25:04 PM
Quote(The much maligned Doctor Who: Tales from the TARDIS comic, which should probably just be put out of its misery.)

pour one out for their dc line which suffered delays and screwups to the point dc ripped the license away from them
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 July, 2019, 07:03:26 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 29 July, 2019, 06:25:04 PMpour one out for their dc line which suffered delays and screwups to the point dc ripped the license away from them
I'm not surprised. I guess the Doctor Who comic had crap sales, but the manner they've got about it is pretty shoddy, to say the least. Weird gaps between issues (the comic is now five-yearly!), and fairly randomly reprinting the US stuff. When the comic first appeared (in A4 format), it was superb. What it's turned into is deeply disappointing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 29 July, 2019, 07:53:36 PM
I've been very selective about what to buy from this series, but I am buying Dante. Just checked the wiki page and if all goes to schedule it's one year from today that we should have a complete hardback series of Nikolai Dante. Fantastic. Haven't read them since the original progs and I haven't dipped in to these collections yet, waiting until I've got the whole lot and can read it from start to finish. Can't wait!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 July, 2019, 09:13:08 PM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 29 July, 2019, 07:53:36 PM
I've been very selective about what to buy from this series, but I am buying Dante. Just checked the wiki page and if all goes to schedule it's one year from today that we should have a complete hardback series of Nikolai Dante. Fantastic. Haven't read them since the original progs and I haven't dipped in to these collections yet, waiting until I've got the whole lot and can read it from start to finish. Can't wait!

Doing the same myself and yep I can't believe we will get to that glorious complete Dante in hardback.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 29 July, 2019, 11:19:58 PM
yup, me too (though I don't have the willpower to wait fir the full set) - I saw that Dante cover and was straight over to FP to preorder!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 31 July, 2019, 12:51:06 PM
As well as the title story, the Dark Justice volume contains all the stories included in the first Fall of Deadworld volume. Unfortunately it doesn't include the full-page Dave Kendall nightmare-inspired portraits of the four DJs, although these are shown in the article at the back. Stunning art throughout.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 31 July, 2019, 03:02:06 PM
Has anyone else's Dark Justice got a misprinted spine? Mine seems to be bleeding around to the front cover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 31 July, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
Mine's a millimeter or two over, but I can live with that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 August, 2019, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 31 July, 2019, 03:02:06 PM
Has anyone else's Dark Justice got a misprinted spine? Mine seems to be bleeding around to the front cover.

How does it look on the shelf next to the previous Dredd vol and the first Strontium volume?
Does the spine image line up alright or is it the 3rd time this collection that they've ballsed that up?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 August, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
I really wish they'd ditch the cover art thing. I get that it's a way to keep people subscribing, to complete the spine. But it's a usability disaster, and it results in so many screw-ups.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 01 August, 2019, 07:48:46 PM
Don't know nuffink about misaligned spines, but the Dark Justice volume is one hell of a bargain. This is one of the finest collections of painted comics art you're likely to see, both the Staples and Kendall sections. More than worth the wait!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 August, 2019, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 01 August, 2019, 07:48:46 PM
Don't know nuffink about misaligned spines, but the Dark Justice volume is one hell of a bargain. This is one of the finest collections of painted comics art you're likely to see, both the Staples and Kendall sections. More than worth the wait!

Really looking forward to this delivery; paired with the next Strontium Dog it's got the potential to be a massive thrill power overload.

Nikolai and Slaine the following month. And then 3 unknowns (next A.B.C. Warriors, next Rogue and Ichabod I reckon although not necessarily in that order) followed by another Slaine (I'm sensing a pattern here). I'm actually quite looking forward to this upcoming run, despite the Slaine (I'm yet to read the recently delivered vol5 though so maybe I'll change my mind when I get around to that).

2 more Slaine vols should get us through to the start of the Book of Invasions I reckon. Do I recall someone saying it picks back up around there?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 August, 2019, 09:17:36 PM
Quote from: sintec on 02 August, 2019, 08:57:23 PM

Nikolai and Slaine the following month. And then 3 unknowns (next A.B.C. Warriors, next Rogue and Ichabod I reckon although not necessarily in that order) followed by another Slaine (I'm sensing a pattern here).

Make that 1 unknown, followed by [spoiler]ABC Warriors 5 (start of the Volgan War) [/spoiler] and [spoiler]Strontium Dog 7 - Final Solution, completing the classic run[/spoiler]. And then, yes, more Slaine!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 August, 2019, 07:20:14 AM
55 is rogue 4 if that's the one you mean.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 August, 2019, 11:46:58 AM
Had a lazy start to the weekend and finished Slaine vol 5.  It's certainly not up to the quality of some of the earlier books in terms of story. I enjoyed it marginally more than I was expecting but that's probably because my expectations were pretty low based on past discussions here.

Ukko really steals the show in this volume. Cloak of Fear is the best of the stories in the book and for me the Ukko section of Treasures Of Britain was the best part of that story. Overall though the plot of Treasures just felt like a weak rehash of the Horned God's "gotta collect the things" quest but with less purpose or jeopardy.

I think a big part of the problem is the lack of a good baddie. The Guledig just doesn't really work for me in the way Slough Feg did (or Elfric for that matter). It all just seems to be a platform for Pat to show off his research and pound his philosophical drum. Slaine needs a good foil, a Torquemarda to his Nemesis, and that just doesn't seem to be there anymore.

King of Hearts just felt like an even weaker version of more of the same.  It's a shame the art is so murky here as Nick's work is stunning when it escapes from the mudddiness. He acknowledges as much in the text in the back and seeing his recent work in the Megazine it's clear he's learned to pull this off without descending into murk.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 August, 2019, 12:49:44 PM
The Krool Heart - wow, I can see why that's considered a classic.  Nothing else in that volume really stands a chance next to that. Kano felt a bit dragged out and heavy handed.  Everything else was fine just overshadowed by the opener.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 07 August, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
Does anyone know which number volume 'Ichabod Azrael' will be?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 August, 2019, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 07 August, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
Does anyone know which number volume 'Ichabod Azrael' will be?

No, but there are only four slots unaccounted for now. So it'll be either 63, 65, 67 or 78.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 August, 2019, 09:02:20 PM
Either Volume 56, 64; the other being the 2nd Future Shocks volume.

Which will be one of the 4 Issues Dark Jimbo named above (63, 65, 67, 78). I think the other three are Rogue Trooper (?), Strontium Dog (Life & Death Of Johnny Alpha) and A.B.C. Warriors (presumably the conclusion of Volgan War).

I'm wondering if we'll see more Ro-Busters over those last 2 ABC volumes?
From the strip counts on Barney The Volgan War doesn't seem long enough for 2 books but is too much for 1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 August, 2019, 09:21:18 PM
Yes, sorry, should clarify my numbers were 'issue' numbers, not the volume numbers that will be on the spine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 08 August, 2019, 03:07:29 PM
Apologies if this has already been asked, but what does anyone happen to know what we can expect the contents of the Durham Red volume to be?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 August, 2019, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: karlos on 08 August, 2019, 03:07:29 PM
Apologies if this has already been asked, but what does anyone happen to know what we can expect the contents of the Durham Red volume to be?

Scarlet Cantos, Masque of the Red Death, Vermin Stars and Empty Suns run to 238 strip pages. Throw in title pages, intro and outro, and that's about the upper page limit of these books.


The only shame there is that we won't have room for The Scarlet Apocrypha, which isn't 'canon' but was huge fun.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 08 August, 2019, 03:24:44 PM
Thanks a million, Dark Jimbo.

That is going to be one very nice looking book.

Yeah, always meant to read Scarlet Apocrypha - was it ever reprinted or is it a "track down the megazines" job?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 August, 2019, 03:30:53 PM
Quote from: karlos on 08 August, 2019, 03:24:44 PM
Yeah, always meant to read Scarlet Apocrypha - was it ever reprinted or is it a "track down the megazines" job?


It was reprinted in the Rebellion Empty Suns book, I'm fairly sure.

Might be easier to track down the Megazines though, to be honest!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 08 August, 2019, 04:11:22 PM
Many thanks, Dark Jimbo!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 10 August, 2019, 11:47:51 AM
Anyone know what the next premium sub figure will be? Feel like I haven't had a premium gift for a while now...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 August, 2019, 03:35:23 PM
So much Slaine....god I wish there was a way to subscribe yet skip the Slaine.

I didn't enjoy Bad Company 2 at all, however I've been in a deep depression lately, so maybe my mood doesn't help.  I remember hating Small God's by Pratchett first time I read it then loving it on a second read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 10 August, 2019, 03:46:07 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 10 August, 2019, 03:35:23 PM
I didn't enjoy Bad Company 2 at all, however I've been in a deep depression lately, so maybe my mood doesn't help.  I remember hating Small God's by Pratchett first time I read it then loving it on a second read.

Hate that feeling. I first read Neal Stephenson in the very depths of depression, then bitched and moaned about his work for years. Returning to him years later, and hanging on ever word, I felt like a right gobshite.  Sincerely hope the clouds lift for you soon Jade Falcon, be assured that they will.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 10 August, 2019, 06:40:41 PM
I don't find the Slaine too bad. If it was only in the one era/place for the next 7 volumes maybe it would get a bit boring, but at least there's variety. Definitely good enough that Mills deserves his 50p
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 11 August, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: Geoff on 10 August, 2019, 11:47:51 AM
Anyone know what the next premium sub figure will be? Feel like I haven't had a premium gift for a while now...
Assuming the figures come in the order listed on the Ultimate Collection site the next figure will be Nikolai Dante, followed by Judge Dredd then Rogue Trooper. The next figure should come with delivery of issues 51/52 (i.e. the next delivery, depending on how up-to-date your subscription is).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 11 August, 2019, 10:34:23 PM
Not sure if I can post links on here, but you can pre-order up to volume 60 on forbiddenplanet.com
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 11 August, 2019, 10:49:27 PM
Quote from: karlos on 11 August, 2019, 10:34:23 PM
Not sure if I can post links on here, but you can pre-order up to volume 60 on forbiddenplanet.com

Cheers Fingers!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 11 August, 2019, 10:51:46 PM
Er...meant to quote the post above about the figures..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 12 August, 2019, 08:38:43 AM
I haven't been called "Fingers" in years... :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 14 August, 2019, 01:27:47 AM
I've just finished Slaine vol 5 and honestly I really enjoyed it (I'm a sucker for Sword & Sorcery stories).

I wonder if we'll get any Durham Red Solo or Mambo in this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 August, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: cropsy13 on 14 August, 2019, 01:27:47 AM
I wonder if we'll get any Durham Red Solo or Mambo in this collection.

Good news; there's a whole book of Durham Red scheduled.
Bad news; don't think there's any Mambo planned (unless we get an extension).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 15 August, 2019, 03:01:46 AM
Quote from: sintec on 14 August, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
Good news; there's a whole book of Durham Red scheduled.
Nice, Just looked on the Wiki and it's May next year, oof.

Quote from: sintec on 14 August, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
Bad news; don't think there's any Mambo planned (unless we get an extension).

Bummer

Thanks for the info
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 15 August, 2019, 09:10:06 AM
Do we have a contents list for Strontium dog vol. 6?

Anyone seen it? How's the reproduction?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 August, 2019, 12:32:12 PM
Quote from: karlos on 15 August, 2019, 09:10:06 AM
Do we have a contents list for Strontium dog vol. 6?

Anyone seen it? How's the reproduction?

The Royal Affair
The Rammy
Stone Killers
Incident on Zeta
The No-Go Job
The Beast of Milton Keynes
Complaint

I wonder if A Sorry Case has been held back for the next issue to accompany Colin's work on TFS. I'm also guessing that remaining annual and special stories will be in there too to make up the page count.

I've only read The Royal Affair and the start of The Rammy so far, but up to now the repro looks OK to me. The annual stories are in black and white.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 15 August, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
Thanks for that, Abelard!

Wow, so we're getting all of TFS in volume 7?  Fantastic stuff!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 August, 2019, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 15 August, 2019, 12:32:12 PM
Quote from: karlos on 15 August, 2019, 09:10:06 AM
Do we have a contents list for Strontium dog vol. 6?

The Royal Affair
The Rammy
Stone Killers
Incident on Zeta
The No-Go Job
The Beast of Milton Keynes
Complaint

I wonder if A Sorry Case has been held back for the next issue to accompany Colin's work on TFS. I'm also guessing that remaining annual and special stories will be in there too to make up the page count.

Hmm. I'd rather have had Sorry Case here and No-Go Job held over for book 7, to be honest.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 August, 2019, 04:37:03 PM
I don't know about anyone else but my stone killers has an error with some early panels printed out of sequence.

Can't say I'm a fan of Harrison's art to be be honest.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 August, 2019, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 August, 2019, 02:28:19 PM
Hmm. I'd rather have had Sorry Case here and No-Go Job held over for book 7, to be honest.

Yeah I'd have preferred to have things in prog order. Seems an odd choice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 20 August, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
I'm trying to fill in the gaps in my collection of books that I'd missed over the years for example Robo Hunter, Sinister Dexter, Nicolai Dante, Bad Company etc.
Managed to pick up all Robo Hunter, Dante Vol's 1-3 & Bad Company Vol 1.
I then save the pennies to get a few more and Bad Company vol 2 is "Sold out"!!!!
I noticed that a few early Ultimate issues are Sold out which is fair enough but issues 46 to 50 are now sold out as well which gives us poorer sods less time to jump in and pick up (3 cause you get free postage 👍🏻) the individual issues that we want.
I know for business sense they can't hold hundreds in stock but it will put me off trying to pick up collected volumes if half way through I can't complete the runs 🙁🙁
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 August, 2019, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: Trooper McFad on 20 August, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
I noticed that a few early Ultimate issues are Sold out which is fair enough but issues 46 to 50 are now sold out as well which gives us poorer sods less time to jump in and pick up (3 cause you get free postage 👍🏻) the individual issues that we want.
I know for business sense they can't hold hundreds in stock but it will put me off trying to pick up collected volumes if half way through I can't complete the run 🙁🙁

This always happens - wait a few weeks and they'll probably show as 'in stock' again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 20 August, 2019, 02:57:21 PM
Thanks Jimbo I'll keep my eye on the site
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 August, 2019, 04:50:18 PM
Given that most subscribers haven't had 51 yet, it's just out of stock on their website. However, it does appear that the print run is quite slim now, and so don't dither when whatever you want does come back into stock. Or just ignore Hachette entirely and cherry pick via Forbidden Planet instead.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 20 August, 2019, 05:00:30 PM
Thanks Indigo I'll keep my eye on both 👍🏻
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 August, 2019, 07:25:51 PM
I would say that if there are volumes you know you'll want, FP's pre-ordering works well. I got a couple of the TF volumes that way. (I've collected the Marvel run.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 August, 2019, 01:50:31 AM
I've been rereading my Strontium Dog volumes.  While some of the earlier stories didn't date as well, they were still reasonable.

Ultimately what happened to the Gronk, he just seemed to disappear. 

Also, while Strontium Dog stories could be a bit dark in places, did anyone else think The Moses Quest incident, for other stories of the time was a pretty dark storyline except for for Malak Broods brothers heads banter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 24 August, 2019, 12:03:36 PM
Just wondering how far the next Slaine volume will take us? I was hoping it would finish with 'The Secret Commonwealth' which would then leave me with everything collected in hardcover editions (albeit not matching). However, looking on Barney that might be just one story too many to fit in the next edition's size restraints and something might have to spill over into a 'Books of Invasions' volume. (And that would not be cool!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 August, 2019, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 24 August, 2019, 12:03:36 PM
Just wondering how far the next Slaine volume will take us? I was hoping it would finish with 'The Secret Commonwealth' which would then leave me with everything collected in hardcover editions (albeit not matching). However, looking on Barney that might be just one story too many to fit in the next edition's size restraints and something might have to spill over into a 'Books of Invasions' volume. (And that would not be cool!)
Cover to issue 58 is up at FP- does that credit list help? They also have a bunch more new ones too but I'm posting from my phone here.
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/3ogxE8zWysWeRyC0XdGAeCxGqQw=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/2a/c1/3f67796f1eae90a9d197a2f8e3a73eced3f4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 August, 2019, 12:12:06 PM
Here's Stront 7- it's issue 57
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/3fqV1vSLnaxxXsDk7rdGNTvUPi4=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/cf/96/57b2c405dc26aff57eb6dc6020bc07a345f4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 August, 2019, 12:15:00 PM
Rogue vol4- issue 55. We know the creators of Hewligan's haircut and Volgon War so I'll save you my posting those.
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/-G6iDL4NFaMoTBfxRVDaIb52LGw=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/63/a1/1623c72b5ab04d1984aa33fe0967355d7653.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 24 August, 2019, 01:15:43 PM
Many thanks, Tomwe. If the credit for the artist David Bircham is correct, then Slaine volume 7 should have everything up to and including 'The Secret Commonwealth'. (It's going to be a big volume though!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 24 August, 2019, 01:43:02 PM
Next delivery payment now showing in the Hatchett site so hopefully next week or so for delivery but looks like next figure so fingers crossed
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 August, 2019, 05:50:04 PM
The Hewligan's cover is quite interesting though - it raises the question why is Al Ewing's name on there?

https://forbiddenplanet.com/276380-2000ad-ultimate-graphic-novel-collection-59/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/276380-2000ad-ultimate-graphic-novel-collection-59/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 24 August, 2019, 05:55:07 PM
The Hewligan's cover is quite interesting though - it raises the question why is Al Ewing's name on there?

https://forbiddenplanet.com/276380-2000ad-ultimate-graphic-novel-collection-59/

Maybe doctor what ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 24 August, 2019, 05:57:09 PM

Zaucer Of Zilk, presumably. Ewing & McCarthy collaborated on a Dr Who parody Dredd strip, Dr What (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1713)?


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 August, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 August, 2019, 12:15:00 PM
Rogue vol4- issue 55. We know the creators of Hewligan's haircut and Volgon War so I'll save you my posting those.
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/-G6iDL4NFaMoTBfxRVDaIb52LGw=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/63/a1/1623c72b5ab04d1984aa33fe0967355d7653.jpg)

Is this the last Rogue Trooper book?  That's the cover for the old Re-Gene reprint.  Or are we getting stuff beyond that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 24 August, 2019, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 24 August, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 August, 2019, 12:15:00 PM
Rogue vol4- issue 55. We know the creators of Hewligan's haircut and Volgon War so I'll save you my posting those.

Is this the last Rogue Trooper book?  That's the cover for the old Re-Gene reprint.  Or are we getting stuff beyond that.

A fifth book to come, but we don't know what'll be in it. Presumably Rennie's early 2000s-run, maybe Cinnabar and other odds n' sods.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 25 August, 2019, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: Frank on 24 August, 2019, 05:57:09 PM

Zaucer Of Zilk, presumably. Ewing & McCarthy collaborated on a Dr Who parody Dredd strip, Dr What (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1713)?

Doctor What was in the Dredd collection volume 87, a volume of Al Ewing stories, and we've been promised no duplication between the two collections. Page count suggests Zaucer of Zilk would fit, along with Hewligan, Sooner or Later and Swifty's Return, along with something else - Hap Hazzard maybe, that could be a good fit here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 25 August, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
Instant buy if so!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Robes on 26 August, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
For some reason my sub seems to have gone to shit.  I haven't had any problems up till now but I had to speak to the guys at Facebook to get my last issues sent out, I haven't received anything since issue 46, what should we be on now?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 August, 2019, 10:58:12 AM
Depends. Subs should in theory be getting 53/54 this coming week. I'm awaiting 51/52 here, although that's because my sub has this year alone slipped about four weeks. Some people are even further behind than that. If you contact them, they should at the very least be sending through to 51/52, I'd say.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Robes on 26 August, 2019, 04:58:13 PM
I contacted them on Facebook and they are sending 47 - 50.  It's great that they react so quickly, but I don't understand why I don't seem to be receiving them normally anymore.  Everything has been fine through the Judge Deesd collection and the 2000ad collection until around issue 40 where they just seem to have stopped bothering to send them out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 26 August, 2019, 06:45:52 PM
My mega collection worked more smoothly too. The ultimate collection is a bit hit and miss with delivery, I've not received 51/52 yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Sabreman64 on 27 August, 2019, 10:44:47 AM
Like Geoff and Robes, I've also been having problems with Hachette subscriptions lately. Although I cancelled my subscription to the 2000 AD collection several months ago, I still have two subscriptions with Hachette (Routemaster and Terminator). I've not received a delivery from either subscription since around the end of June. Both subscriptions have the status 'running', but the most recent date on both subscriptions is 20th June. I've no idea what's going on there. It looks as if I'll have to contact them about it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 August, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
51/52 showed up here today. So if I'm charitable in taking into account the bank holiday, that's the first set of books that's arrived within the four-week range since March. Since I resubscribed, my account has slipped five and a half weeks. Hachette support argues otherwise, preferring gaslighting to admitting the truth. Oh well. At least the books are good and didn't arrive with any damage this month.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 27 August, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
If my Ring doorbell footage is anything to go by, it looks like my 51/52 have arrived too. And with an oddly shaped package that could just be my Rogue statue.

Fingers crossed for you other subbers out there still waiting!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 27 August, 2019, 11:17:11 AM
It is indeed. My 51 &52 have just arrived and that is your Rogue Trooper statue.

Be prepared though, it's in a rather flimsy jiffy bag.

Mine, thankfully, has arrived unscathed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 August, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
They sent a statue in a jiffy bag? FFS. These people are massive idiots. (* has flashbacks to ten books being sent loose in a massive cardboard box – and five having to be re-sent, which were also sent in a massive cardboard box *)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Geoff on 27 August, 2019, 11:19:28 AM
Nice one Matt! I'll keep my fingers crossed it's in one piece too!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 27 August, 2019, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 August, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
They sent a statue in a jiffy bag? FFS.

Yep. I was fairly astounded and expected damage. The cardboard on the packaging of the statue had poked through a bit but it's in good condition. Number 0572 for people that like that kind of thing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 27 August, 2019, 11:25:55 AM
Quote from: Geoff on 27 August, 2019, 11:19:28 AM
Nice one Matt! I'll keep my fingers crossed it's in one piece too!

Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 27 August, 2019, 02:02:02 PM
Fingers crossed then that 51/52 have arrived at home, and i can finally get caught up on the superb looking Deadworld.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 August, 2019, 02:12:33 PM
Anyone wanna share a look at the Rogue figure?

Sharing Pete Ronnie‎'s photo from the FB group for those who don't use that page

(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69422730_10157436436202641_2523479009375813632_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQlNJXYPuK992giD2m9n7OlQ1mm-9ZIWme8-CavA_Hknedv2ZqEHNFjV_hLL5iDAf6M&_nc_ht=scontent.fbrs1-1.fna&oh=779f1923e8ac1551dbd26dc68bacdd9e&oe=5E022ABD)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 27 August, 2019, 10:34:59 PM
I haven't been that impressed with the figures I've seen so far, but that one I must admit I like the look of.  Shame there's no way of getting hold of it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bedlamvr on 28 August, 2019, 07:21:22 AM
Is it just me but doesn't that figure show how stupid the GI rifle design was ..no wonder they were massacred , because despite the fact there is a shoulder butt and scope the rifle itself is impossible to shoulder fire because the trigger guard is not under the body of the rifle but in line with the shoulder butt so the firer has to wind their arm around the shoulder butt to reach the trigger in a really unatural way ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 28 August, 2019, 07:33:40 AM
GI's were gened with bendy forearms. Also useful for unblocking the Milicom kludgey.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 28 August, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
I've always thought of the stock as being telescopic - it would slide in and out like a trombone...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bedlamvr on 28 August, 2019, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 28 August, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
I've always thought of the stock as being telescopic - it would slide in and out like a trombone...

Well if it also made the sound it would be an entirely different design flaw 😄
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 August, 2019, 03:52:07 PM
Well, no 2000ad partwork at the newsagents, apparently due to the bank holiday.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 28 August, 2019, 04:05:40 PM
Nor here. Is it Dante this week?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Proudhuff on 28 August, 2019, 04:20:58 PM
Quote from: bedlamvr on 28 August, 2019, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 28 August, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
I've always thought of the stock as being telescopic - it would slide in and out like a trombone...

Well if it also made the sound it would be an entirely different design flaw 😄

Not so good for stealth mode  :o
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 29 August, 2019, 10:42:40 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 28 August, 2019, 04:05:40 PM
Nor here. Is it Dante this week?

It is Dante, who's a no-show at my Thrill-merchant today so have ordered from Forbidden Planet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 29 August, 2019, 10:59:30 AM
Pre-ordered the Dante book from FP - which was apparently dispatched on 26th, but no show (also I seem to have ordered two copies somehow - if they won't take one back, it'll be up for sale ... if they ever arrive!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 29 August, 2019, 12:36:58 PM
I find that the actual cherry picking via FP is fine BUT it's a crap shoot as to when they arrive - can be days, can be weeks.

My Dante has also already shipped but no sign as yet.

(Coluld be worse: I ordered 4 issues of the Legend of Batman/DC Graphic Novel Collection and they took nigh on 2 months to turn up!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 29 August, 2019, 02:31:39 PM
Has *anyone* see this volume in the wild? I've tried three reliable meatspace vendors and nowt. Is this the inopportune moment the UC disappears from the shelves, its space apparently taken by the inaugural issue of the Disney Baking Collection FFS?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 August, 2019, 02:45:38 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 29 August, 2019, 02:31:39 PM
Has *anyone* see this volume in the wild? I've tried three reliable meatspace vendors and nowt. Is this the inopportune moment the UC disappears from the shelves, its space apparently taken by the inaugural issue of the Disney Baking Collection FFS?

My local newsie (well, the only one which carries the UC) never got the Alan Moore FS collection. Things got back on track after that, but they never got last fortnight's issue in (Strontium Dog). Haven't checked for Dante yet, but it does feel like distribution has suddenly got pretty spotty...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 29 August, 2019, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 29 August, 2019, 02:45:38 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 29 August, 2019, 02:31:39 PM
Has *anyone* see this volume in the wild? I've tried three reliable meatspace vendors and nowt. Is this the inopportune moment the UC disappears from the shelves, its space apparently taken by the inaugural issue of the Disney Baking Collection FFS?

Popped into my local Smiths today and it still has SD vol. 6 on the shelves.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 August, 2019, 03:12:08 PM
Distro's always been a mite spotty for these things. FP got the TF issues I ordered anything up to week after the official release dates. But everything really went to pot this year in general. Last year, subs were like clockwork. This year, like a broken clock that doesn't work.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 29 August, 2019, 03:20:21 PM
I'v jumped in to pick up Dante 4 & 5 before they are sold out (added Kingdom to get free postage) hope I don't have delays or no shows as a few of you have with your regular subs 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

Really enjoying Dante as only ever read bits and pieces over the years so reading all the missing parts is making it all make sense now. 😃
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 August, 2019, 04:33:49 PM
My Dante 5 arrived from FP today. Progs are
2003, 1322-1328, 2004, 2005, 1420-1431, 1433-1436, 2006, 1487-1489, 1500-1501
Quite the spread!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 29 August, 2019, 04:34:46 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 August, 2019, 03:12:08 PM
But everything really went to pot this year in general. Last year, subs were like clockwork. This year, like a broken clock that doesn't work.

Mine were a month behind for the best part of 8 months but back on track now. Wondering if that's because I am a Premium subscriber. Us premiums seems to be up to date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Sabreman64 on 29 August, 2019, 05:26:30 PM
As a former subscriber to the 2000 AD collection and as a current subscriber to Hachette's Routemaster and Terminator, I hope people won't mind if I have a little rant about Hachette.

I contacted Hachette yesterday via Facebook saying that I've not received a Terminator delivery in about two months and asking when I could expect the next delivery. They replied saying, "Please allow 7-14 working days for delivery." Er, that doesn't really answer my question. Especially since my online account gives 20th June as the most recent despatch of any issues (and I received those issues around the beginning of July).

I've also got a problem with my Routemaster subscription. Because my debit card had expired, I had an outstanding balance of £71.92. I paid this outstanding balance at the beginning of August, and supplied Hachette with my new card details. Now, a couple of days ago I've been charged a payment of £43.95. This £43.95 appears on my online Routemaster account, but I've no idea what the payment is for because, as with my Terminator subscription, the last date of any despatch of issues is 20th June.

What on earth is going on with Hachette? Why have I been having so much trouble with them all of a sudden in the last couple of months?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 August, 2019, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 29 August, 2019, 04:34:46 PMMine were a month behind for the best part of 8 months but back on track now. Wondering if that's because I am a Premium subscriber. Us premiums seems to be up to date.
What was your most recent set, and when did you get it? Tracking my sub back to last year, I should have received 53/54 on 16 August. Instead, I got 51/52 on 28 August.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 30 August, 2019, 07:48:36 AM
Same as Indigo, except a day earlier.

I was way behind (4 issues) 6 months ago.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Sabreman64 on 30 August, 2019, 10:27:48 AM
Just a quick follow-up to my post from yesterday. The reason I don't know what this £43.95 charge on the Hachette site for my Routemaster subscription is for is that it's usually £35.96 (four £8.99 issues). I don't know what the extra £7.99 is for. It may be for a binder, but I can't be sure as my account shows no despatches since 20th June.

Are any of you 2000 AD subscribers having problems recently with despatch dates not showing up in your online account?

(I apologise for asking about non-2000 AD publications in a 2000 AD forum. But as I said, I'm a former 2000 AD collection subscriber, and since the two subscriptions I'm having problems with are Hachette publications, I thought perhaps some of you 2000 AD subscribers might be having problems too.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 August, 2019, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: Sabreman64 on 30 August, 2019, 10:27:48 AM
Just a quick follow-up to my post from yesterday. The reason I don't know what this £43.95 charge on the Hachette site for my Routemaster subscription is for is that it's usually £35.96 (four £8.99 issues). I don't know what the extra £7.99 is for. It may be for a binder, but I can't be sure as my account shows no despatches since 20th June.

Are any of you 2000 AD subscribers having problems recently with despatch dates not showing up in your online account?

(I apologise for asking about non-2000 AD publications in a 2000 AD forum. But as I said, I'm a former 2000 AD collection subscriber, and since the two subscriptions I'm having problems with are Hachette publications, I thought perhaps some of you 2000 AD subscribers might be having problems too.)

I expect you're on the money with the binder suggestions - I was just about to say that. That's how much they cost for the Warhammer collection. They give you one for free and then three more follow during the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 August, 2019, 02:08:29 PM
My Dante v.5 has now arrived but I seem to have accidentally ordered two - if any non-subbers are having trouble finding one, I'll send you my spare for a tenner including postage.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 30 August, 2019, 10:41:07 PM
Ordered the latest Dante direct from Hachette this morning, as I was paranoid it was going to go immediately out of print. Unavailable from Forbidden Planet and only 5 copies left in stock from Hachette last night, going down to 3 copies when I ordered this morning! It'll probably turn up at Forbidden Planet in town but it might be another month before I get there. By any luck I'll have it within the next month but what with Hachette's delivery service going off the boil, who knows?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 31 August, 2019, 01:16:38 PM
Finally got the issues I was missing, contacted them about the issues I haven't received (45-48) and they said they'd send them. Got 41-44 and 1 instead. What the heck is going on?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 31 August, 2019, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: levers on 30 August, 2019, 10:41:07 PM
Ordered the latest Dante direct from Hachette this morning, as I was paranoid it was going to go immediately out of print. Unavailable from Forbidden Planet and only 5 copies left in stock from Hachette last night, going down to 3 copies when I ordered this morning! It'll probably turn up at Forbidden Planet in town but it might be another month before I get there. By any luck I'll have it within the next month but what with Hachette's delivery service going off the boil, who knows?

Yeah I got twitchy as I've ordered it via my comic shop but its not due to arrive via Diamond until next week. Figure Forbidden Planet will be the same?

Cherry picking is much risker with the Ultimate collection than it would have been with the Dredd one which was always in stock for weeks after release.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 September, 2019, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 30 August, 2019, 02:08:29 PM
My Dante v.5 has now arrived but I seem to have accidentally ordered two - if any non-subbers are having trouble finding one, I'll send you my spare for a tenner including postage.

I'll have to phone my local WH Smiths and see if mine came in yet, so I might need it, I'll say tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 September, 2019, 01:02:13 PM
Sorry mate, had a couple of requests already
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 01 September, 2019, 05:27:26 PM
As much as I love the Deadworld stuff, wouldn't Dominion have made a better match for Dark Justice? Is it a page count thing?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 September, 2019, 08:12:17 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 01 September, 2019, 05:27:26 PM
As much as I love the Deadworld stuff, wouldn't Dominion have made a better match for Dark Justice? Is it a page count thing?

Page count for both parts of Dominion would be slightly larger than the Deadworld content - although not too much for 1 volume.

I'm hoping it's because they've got a follow up volume planned for the, as yet unannounced, extension with both parts of Dominion and the rest of Fall Of Deadworld in it. Although that might be pushing the page count a bit. And of course there may not be any extension so...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 02 September, 2019, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: sintec on 02 September, 2019, 08:12:17 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 01 September, 2019, 05:27:26 PM
As much as I love the Deadworld stuff, wouldn't Dominion have made a better match for Dark Justice? Is it a page count thing?

Page count for both parts of Dominion would be slightly larger than the Deadworld content - although not too much for 1 volume.

I'm hoping it's because they've got a follow up volume planned for the, as yet unannounced, extension with both parts of Dominion and the rest of Fall Of Deadworld in it. Although that might be pushing the page count a bit. And of course there may not be any extension so...

I do think that's a bit odd then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 03 September, 2019, 12:32:01 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 02 September, 2019, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: sintec on 02 September, 2019, 08:12:17 AM

Page count for both parts of Dominion would be slightly larger than the Deadworld content - although not too much for 1 volume.

I'm hoping it's because they've got a follow up volume planned for the, as yet unannounced, extension with both parts of Dominion and the rest of Fall Of Deadworld in it. Although that might be pushing the page count a bit. And of course there may not be any extension so...

I do think that's a bit odd then.
I think it might be that they decided what was in all the issues around the time of issue 1, or at least shortly afterwards. The Torture Garden only finished in June, and without that it's probably too short (Dominion's only about 50-60 pages).

It is kind of a shame that they didn't wait and give Fall Of Deadworld it's own single volume, but I'd only read it from the Prog 2011 story, so everything before that in the book was new to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 03 September, 2019, 01:37:29 PM
There's a few copies of Dante Vol. 5 on eBay right now...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: NapalmKev on 06 September, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
When the collection ends I will be getting rid of my Nikolai Dante books (as a set) if anyone is interested in them. They will be sold for cost price if collected or plus postage if otherwise.

Cheers
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 September, 2019, 04:47:17 PM
I might consider doing that with Slaine. It would be a slight shame to have an uneven collection but honestly I don't think I'd read them again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 07 September, 2019, 04:53:52 PM
Heresy!

Even if I were never to read them again it would spoil the tapestry of the spine art!

(Each to their own though  :))
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 07 September, 2019, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 07 September, 2019, 04:53:52 PM
Heresy!

Even if I were never to read them again it would spoil the tapestry of the spine art!

(Each to their own though  :))

I must admit that I was quite chuffed to discover that my only purchases (which will be Dante x 9) are sequential when it comes to the spine art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 September, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
The Dark Justice volume really is stunning - that's some top quality art throughout. It does feel like a book of two halves though and for me Dark Justice was maybe the stronger half. Fall Of Deadworld felt like it took a little while to really get going somehow.

Middenface really was the star of that Strontium Dog volume. He saved Royal Job which was otherwise unexciting and helped keep The Rammy Job ticking along (loved the ending but felt like the plot was a bit stretched out and retreading old stories). Stone Killers were the absolutely highlight of the book, superb S/D action. Incident on Zeta was a nice little one shot as were the 2 annual tales. No-Go Job just felt like an intro to a bigger tale though and the different art style really does take some getting used to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 September, 2019, 04:09:18 PM
Anyone picked up #54 yet? My copy's spine was out of whack so looking for a replacement. Hoping it's just a one off for the print run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Robes on 11 September, 2019, 05:28:04 PM
I still haven't received anything since issue 46 and it's been mor than two weeks since they said they posted all the issues to catch me up.  Starting to feel pretty bummed by this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 11 September, 2019, 07:19:56 PM
I've got 54, and my spine was dodgy too, even worse than Dark Justice was.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JSayonara on 11 September, 2019, 07:24:02 PM
I only ever lurk here for info, but yeah, my book spine was well out of whack too, the art is actually wrapped into the front of the book.
Was wondering whether to return it to the shop where I have them reserved for me, but I'm betting this is going to be another "double book" thing again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 September, 2019, 07:29:08 PM
Well this isn't encouraging at all. I'll post a pic to the FB Page tomorrow and hopefully get them to feed back to Hachette.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JSayonara on 11 September, 2019, 07:40:55 PM
I just did and there's already a post from someone else.
I'm thinking this is another "across the line" thing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 September, 2019, 08:19:56 PM
They really should stop with the spines thing. I get the reasoning (keep people buying; looks pretty), but it's clearly more hassle than it's worth and it's also a usability disaster.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 September, 2019, 09:42:11 AM
Here's my pics of the misprint for those wanting to compare. FB page are looking into it...

ps JSayonara that was my post before yours as well, I just hadn't done pics at that point.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEQFErEXkAAYQwU?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEQFEtiXkAEWGVo?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 September, 2019, 09:54:47 AM
Yikes. That's a bad one. Do they not do proofs?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 September, 2019, 10:00:52 AM
I work at a printers, and it's just baffling to me that anyone involved would press merrily ahead with such an obvious and glaring error on (presumably) quite a large massive print run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 September, 2019, 11:00:56 AM
I guess I can look forward to complaining about this when I probably receive 53/54 in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 September, 2019, 11:05:18 AM
Also, nosing around Facebook, in July it was stated there are "no current plans to extend the collection", although that could always change. (Despite all the fuck ups, I do hope we get another 10 or 20 books, if only to get certain series to a good end point, like Kingdom.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 September, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 September, 2019, 11:05:18 AM
Also, nosing around Facebook, in July it was stated there are "no current plans to extend the collection", although that could always change. (Despite all the fuck ups, I do hope we get another 10 or 20 books, if only to get certain series to a good end point, like Kingdom.)
Simon Furman made a statement on the Transformers extension at issue 67, I think for the JDMC it was 65, so we have around six months to wait.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 12 September, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
The following stories are featured in Slaine volume 6:

The Grail War
Secret of the Grail
Lord of the Beasts
Kai
The Banishing

This should leave four stories finishing with 'The Secret Commonwealth' for volume 7 (and that's where I stop buying, as I have everything subsequently in hardback).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 September, 2019, 05:38:07 PM
Anyone else here get theirs ordered through a newsagents?

My Slaine wasn't in, and no other newsagents seems to have them. Granted, it's Slaine, not my favourite, but still.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JSayonara on 13 September, 2019, 02:15:08 AM
Got a reply on Facebook about the misaligned spine.
Because I'm not a subscriber,I have to take it back to the newsagent.

When questioned if there were ANY that weren't screwed up, no reply.

A far cry from the Dredd collection when they offered a replacement, even though I wasn't a subscriber.

Between this and the shitty, badly cut internal pages in every third book, I'm beginning to wish I hadn't bothered.
£800 all-in, for this level of quality control?

Be the last partwork I ever collect.☹️
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 13 September, 2019, 02:21:00 AM
They are cheap books and with that cheapness comes a certain amount of corner-cutting and lack of quality control...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 13 September, 2019, 05:29:12 AM
Has anyone tried changing the delivery address, how much hassle is it? Not sure if I'll bother, when I've already got a postal redirect set up
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 September, 2019, 10:20:14 AM
Quote from: Fungus on 13 September, 2019, 02:21:00 AMThey are cheap books and with that cheapness comes a certain amount of corner-cutting and lack of quality control...?
It's absurd, though, because cutting QC results in big costs. They've got away with some (note how the notion of replacing issues with screwed up end-papers just vanished into the ether), but when your primarily differentiator and hook for selling this volumes is "collect amazing spine art", you can't get away with that. Reprinting an entire issue due to a screw-up that would have taken a few minutes of checks to spot just seems astonishing. But then that's this company all over. These are the people who save a few pennies on packaging, and then have to replace 50 quid's worth of books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 September, 2019, 11:49:50 AM
I sent pics of the book to FP where I got it and I think they checked their stock - are doing a swap for a better one. I assume most peeps won't have an issue with their copy. And on top of that the facebook page seems to be saying they're gonna send me a corrected one though at no point did they ask for my ex-subscriber number nor my address, so I am pursuing the FP angle for now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 14 September, 2019, 06:28:56 PM
My copy of the latest Dante arrived via post yesterday. This time shipped by Whistl. Twelve days from point of order from Hachette which is an improvement of the month it took for my last order to arrive via Hermes.

The latest Slaine book actually appeared in my local WHSmith yesterday. Gave it a miss though...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 16 September, 2019, 01:23:27 AM
Quote from: Fungus on 13 September, 2019, 02:21:00 AM
They are cheap books and with that cheapness comes a certain amount of corner-cutting and lack of quality control...?

That'll learn me. Next day I started reading Tour of Duty: Mega-City Justice (so arguably the wrong thread) and it's fantastic. Except reaching the last page of an Al Ewing tale to find the page ripped. This isn't a printing error, but a physical tearing of the page. Eh? Corner 'cutting'.

Possibly my favourite Hachette volume (vandalism aside). Al Ewing rules.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 September, 2019, 06:22:52 AM
I had a volume with a sliced page too – one of the Strontium Dog ones. These things happen. Hard to blame that on Hachette. See if they have a replacement in stock, I guess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JSayonara on 18 September, 2019, 09:53:48 AM
£10 is not THAT cheap either.
A standard DC hardback runs about £13 to £15 these days.
And Absolute editions that are slipcased and huge are generally around £40 on Amazon.

I picked up a couple of volumes of Zenith in hardback for around £8 new too.

And I can live with page cuts and internal misprints but to miss an obviously wrongly printed front cover smacks of "f**k it, let's just hope nobody bothers returning"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 18 September, 2019, 10:47:23 AM
DC's Absolute Editions are very far from being the paragon of hardback QA - their binding in particular is atrocious. In fact, graphic novels of all formats, from all publishers, often have spectacularly crappy binding. But I take the point!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 September, 2019, 04:37:11 PM
For a high quality graphic novel, the Don Lawrence collection of the Yrigan Empire is an example. They cost then about £35 for each volume, and cost far more on the second hand market now. Saying that, there is a reprint coming out soon, but I don't know if they are equal quality.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 September, 2019, 11:22:26 AM
I read the latest Dante book over the last few days.
My god the work of John Burns in this collection is staggering. An absolute master!
The story flowed better for me than the early arcs as well. And there's still four more to come??! Amazing.
I'm glad to see Fraser & Burns continue to divvy up the art duties for the rest of the run. Next one in January!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 20 September, 2019, 11:14:12 AM
I got sick of getting nowhere on Facebook with them and being crazy behind on my issues so I called their customer service. They told me that because the issues I was missing were returned they had put my sub on hold (which no one ever communicated to me) which would explain why they weren't taking any payments. Anyway I had to pay €180 to bring my sub completely up to date and I should receive issues 45 to 56 (I think). What extras have been dispatched with these issues? I am a premium sub (not that that seems to mean a lot to anyone) so I don't want to miss out on anything. Also is 47 (?) the only issue with the misaligned spine? It's becoming a full time job trying to keep on top of this. Oh how naive was I to think that I'd just pay my fee and get my books ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 September, 2019, 11:24:37 AM
QuoteI should receive issues 45 to 56
Yikes. Good luck. Last time I ordered ten issues, they arrived in a massive box with literally no other packaging. They had to replace five of the things.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 September, 2019, 11:37:46 AM
I've ended up with two copies of the last Dante book (53) so anyone please feel free to message me if you're still having trouble finding it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 September, 2019, 11:39:19 AM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 20 September, 2019, 11:14:12 AM
Also is 47 (?) the only issue with the misaligned spine?

There have been two full reprints to fix the spine - Issue 9/vol 20 Nemesis The Warlock 2 and Issue 1/vol 32 Horned God. I've had some quality trouble with Issue 54/vol 35 Slaine 6.

I should think you've already got the Nemesis one but Horned God was reissued more recently. I got mine with subs issues 45 & 46.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 20 September, 2019, 02:49:23 PM
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Oh no!

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 September, 2019, 11:24:37 AM
QuoteI should receive issues 45 to 56
Yikes. Good luck. Last time I ordered ten issues, they arrived in a massive box with literally no other packaging. They had to replace five of the things.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 20 September, 2019, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 September, 2019, 11:37:46 AM
I've ended up with two copies of the last Dante book (53) so anyone please feel free to message me if you're still having trouble finding it.

Jade Falcon was 3rd in the queue after DrRocka and you expressed an interest in my spare.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 September, 2019, 05:28:09 PM
I got Dante alright, but it's the latest Slaine I'm having problems with.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 September, 2019, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 20 September, 2019, 05:28:09 PM
I got Dante alright, but it's the latest Slaine I'm having problems with.
Hachette site claims to still have one in stock.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 20 September, 2019, 09:49:52 PM
Thank you Tomwe, yes I have received both of the reprints.

Quote from: Tomwe on 20 September, 2019, 11:39:19 AM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 20 September, 2019, 11:14:12 AM
Also is 47 (?) the only issue with the misaligned spine?

There have been two full reprints to fix the spine - Issue 9/vol 20 Nemesis The Warlock 2 and Issue 1/vol 32 Horned God. I've had some quality trouble with Issue 54/vol 35 Slaine 6.

I should think you've already got the Nemesis one but Horned God was reissued more recently. I got mine with subs issues 45 & 46.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 21 September, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
Just had 53/54 delivered, Slaine Vol "six" has no issues with the spine being misaligned so not sure if it was only a few that were misprinted or if they've already corrected the problem?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 September, 2019, 01:18:22 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 21 September, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
Just had 53/54 delivered, Slaine Vol "six" has no issues with the spine being misaligned so not sure if it was only a few that were misprinted or if they've already corrected the problem?
Got my replacement from Forbidden Planet today- this one is only out 2mm instead of four. Can't be arsed to chase again. Hoping Hachette follow through on their FB promise to send me one as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 September, 2019, 02:51:25 PM
The spine on mine is slightly misaligned – about 2mm of black down the right hand side.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 September, 2019, 05:13:30 PM
mines has yet to come into my newsagent
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 21 September, 2019, 10:03:08 PM
Burns' artwork in this latest Dante volume is incredible and the stories are totally perfect for his style.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 22 September, 2019, 05:30:08 PM
I've just checked & my volume 35 spine is off (only by a couple of mm) but while checking this I now see the spine for volume 9 is also completely off! I'll contact them via FB & see what happens.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 23 September, 2019, 11:10:16 AM
Have any other figurines or extras been dispatched with these issues? (45-56)?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 23 September, 2019, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 23 September, 2019, 11:10:16 AM
Have any other figurines or extras been dispatched with these issues? (45-56)?
Most recent one was Rogue Trooper, which came a couple of deliveries back, so probably with issues 51/52.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 23 September, 2019, 05:15:04 PM
Thanks for letting me know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cannco on 23 September, 2019, 07:01:19 PM
Going back to DC Absolute Editions....I have the Sandman Absolutes and they have the best binding of any books I own. Has anyone had any problems with 2000ad bindings? The spine itself doesn't stretch so will be prone to splitting over time - cheaper to publish the books that way .
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 September, 2019, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: Cannco on 23 September, 2019, 07:01:19 PMI have the Sandman Absolutes and they have the best binding of any books I own.
Gah. I've been tempted by these. Stop tempting me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cannco on 23 September, 2019, 08:32:43 PM
You won't regret it ! Now that I think of it, have any 2000ad books ever been reprinted in absolute format size - the only thing I can think of is possibly zenith?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 24 September, 2019, 08:19:07 AM
I've got those Sandman books too and they are beautiful.
The DC Golden Age archives have great bindings too as do the majority of the Marvel omnibuses.
I guess you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 September, 2019, 02:56:45 PM
Well, the FB page followed through on their offer and sent me another copy of #54. This one matches on the spine so I'm happy, though it has a ding on the spine's base. They give, they take away.
If anyone wants the other opened, slightly misaligned copy let me know?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 25 September, 2019, 01:09:28 PM
Rogue volume 4 contains everything up to the end of the Jose Ortiz run. The intro says the reboot will be covered in the next volume but no story details. Presumably The War Machine, don't think The Hit and the Michael Fleisher stuff are considered up to much, so what else? Hoping for Cinnabar to get some John Smith in the collection at last. Enfleshings, Hollow Town and Shock Tactics would be great too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2019, 01:44:36 PM
It'd be a chunky book, but War Machine, Cinnebar, and Tor Cyan clock in at around 250 pages of strip. Now, that is a volume I'd be very happy to see.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 September, 2019, 03:28:08 PM
That's proper good news!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 25 September, 2019, 09:27:06 PM
And my Volume 54 Slaine still isnt in.  It seems Hachette screwed up somewhere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 September, 2019, 10:14:31 AM
From the latest Previews, following volume "7" the Slaine books are giving up that numbered structure: issue 61 is Slaine Book Of Invasions Vol 1, much like ABC Warriors' The Volgon War Vol 1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 September, 2019, 10:29:14 AM
...so would the remaining vols for Slaine be: one more ...Invasions, one book covering Wanderer & Scars, and finishing off with Brutania x2?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 September, 2019, 10:38:07 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 26 September, 2019, 10:29:14 AM
...so would the remaining vols for Slaine be: one more ...Invasions, one book covering Wanderer & Scars, and finishing off with Brutania x2?

Yep, I think so. I tried to work out how it'd all fit into 13 books a while ago, just after the fifth book had come out, and got this:

Vol 1 - Warriors Dawn
Vol 2 - Time Killer
Vol 3 - Slaine the King
Vol 4 - Horned God
Vol 5 - Demon Killer, Lord Of Misrule

Vol 6 -  Treasures Of Britain (136)
Vol 7 - The Grail War (176)
Vol 8 - Lord Of The Beasts (256)
Vol 9 - Book Of Invasions 1 (112), Book Of Invasions 2 (112) = 224
Vol 10 - Book Of Invasions 3 (128), The Wanderer (128) = 256
Vol 11 - Book Of Scars (192)
Vol 12 - Brutania 1 (112), Brutania 2 (112) = 224
Vol 13 - Brutania 3 (101), Brutania 4 (96) = 197

Nearly three volumes later, this still seems broadly correct; except that the exisiting Book of Scars book is actually quite light on strip content, so we'll probably get a split that's more akin to:

Vol 1 - Warriors Dawn
Vol 2 - Time Killer
Vol 3 - Slaine the King
Vol 4 - Horned God
Vol 5 - Demon Killer, Lord Of Misrule
Vol 6 -  Treasures Of Britain
Vol 7 - The Grail War
Vol 8 - Lord Of The Beasts

Vol 9 - Book Of Invasions 1 (Moloch, Golamh, Scota)
Vol 10 - Book Of Invasions 2 (Tara, Odacon, Carnivale)
Vol 11 - The Wanderer, Book of Scars
Vol 12 - Brutania 1, Brutania 2
Vol 13 - Brutania 3, Brutania 4

Pretty much as you said!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 26 September, 2019, 12:23:49 PM
Just tried to buy Strontium Dog volume 6 (issue 52, vol 9) and it's out of stock. 😬

Forbidden Planet hasn't got it either -online or in the London shop. No luck at Orbital either 😢.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 26 September, 2019, 01:00:58 PM
Magnetica, hopefully it will be re-stocked on the website in a few weeks.

If you can't wait, however, there are copies on eBay for around £20 (which seems to be the average flip price on these later volumes).

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 26 September, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 16 July, 2019, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: paulbyrnewex on 15 July, 2019, 09:52:04 PM
Apologies I should have posted the wiki link for anyone that may be interested. The PDF is available to download from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2000_AD_stories

Whilst I applaud who ever had taken the time to put this together, as it is certainly a great resource, I can't help but spot a mistake on the first page - the first series of ABC Warriors from Prog 119 to Prog 139 is not listed.

This has been updated and expanded.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 26 September, 2019, 05:49:41 PM
Thanks. I can definitely wait - just object to paying double on eBay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 September, 2019, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 September, 2019, 01:09:28 PM
Rogue volume 4 contains everything up to the end of the Jose Ortiz run. The intro says the reboot will be covered in the next volume but no story details. Presumably The War Machine, don't think The Hit and the Michael Fleisher stuff are considered up to much, so what else? Hoping for Cinnabar to get some John Smith in the collection at last. Enfleshings, Hollow Town and Shock Tactics would be great too.

Having talked in-depth about The HitCinnabar and The War Machine, the afterword confirms we'll get Cinnabar in book 5, along with 'more modern takes on classic Nu-Earth set Rogue Trooper.'

So to my mind that suggests most (all?) of Rennie's Realpolitik run, Alan Moore's annual stories and the odd few one-offs we've had by the likes of Ian Edginton and Gerry himself.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 27 September, 2019, 03:31:07 PM
Given how many of the recent Mills books are out of stock, I'm wondering if they read his blog  :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 September, 2019, 06:23:56 PM
It feels very different to how it was prior to the 2000 AD collection beginning. Most JDMC books were in stock or came back in, they certainly didn't go straight from "coming soon" to "out of stock". And also, they still seem able to supply replacements to subbers without too much hassle. It's like they've just decided to cut back the eshop part of it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 30 September, 2019, 11:43:01 AM
how long generally do the restocks take?

Are we to infer that Hachette aren't bothering?

This doesn't seem good news.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 30 September, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 26 September, 2019, 12:23:49 PM
Just tried to buy Strontium Dog volume 6 (issue 52, vol 9) and it's out of stock. 😬

Forbidden Planet hasn't got it either -online or in the London shop. No luck at Orbital either 😢.
I've got a replacement copy of Volume 9 on the way due to spine printing misalignment on my first copy (slight overlap of the spine image onto the cover) so will probably stick the first copy on eBay when the new one arrives but if you're still looking & aren't bothered about the spine image too much then I'm open to selling direct instead. There seems to be a few copies of Volume 9 on eBay with the same printing issue as my copy (but don't seem to mention it) so I guess my replacement copy may have the same issue anyway (but hopefully not).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 30 September, 2019, 10:41:01 PM
Thanks. PM sent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 01 October, 2019, 12:27:02 PM
Looking forward to the next issue.A.B.C. Warriors vol 5.Anyone have the full line-up/cover?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 October, 2019, 05:07:37 PM
Cover is up on ForbiddenPlanet

(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/ZlSWvm83_0LyuRveNAFoDfuX9x8=/trim/fit-in/727x1000/filters:format(webp)/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/b3/65/ab85cb6666d795367c7de606224a6de04ffc.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 October, 2019, 02:08:48 PM
I know for the most part that the Rogue books are reprints of the smaller Rebellion paperbacks, but I'm sure there was a story in the 2000ad one that wasn't in To the Ends of Nu Earth trade
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 October, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
Having totally forgotten to include my postal address in a recent email that saw print in Input I finally thought to send it through and today received a copy of TUC #42 (Nemesis v4).
Since I have this already, is there anyone on the forum who would like it for postage £3?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 04 October, 2019, 10:26:17 PM
received n.51 and 52 today, meaning I didn't get 49 & 50... ugh
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 October, 2019, 02:52:05 PM
ABC Warriors 5 collects Volumes 1 and 2 of the Volgan War, as we suspected it might. Such a lush-looking book - wish that Rebellion would collect things this way, and not package each volume as a measly 96-page book. (Incidentally, what we have here is the 'remastered' version that Clint did for the trades, not the original prog versions).

It's confirmed in the intro that volumes 37 and 38 will collect the entirety of the Books of Invasion; and the Warriors are mentioned as being 'on indefinite leave in the prog' - meaning, I suppose, that there's no new tale in the pipeline (presumably because Pat's busy with Spacewarp - and hopefully not that he's burnt bridges with Rebellion over royalties or somesuch).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 October, 2019, 06:13:02 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 26 September, 2019, 10:38:07 AM

Vol 8 - Lord Of The Beasts
Vol 9 - Book Of Invasions 1 (Moloch, Golamh, Scota)
Vol 10 - Book Of Invasions 2 (Tara, Odacon, Carnivale)
Vol 11 - The Wanderer, Book of Scars
Vol 12 - Brutania 1, Brutania 2
Vol 13 - Brutania 3, Brutania 4

That basically confirms your guess at the content for each of the remaining Slaine volumes then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 October, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
Are Hachette braindead?

I got a reply about my missing Slaine.  They say they don't supply local newsagents, but they supply distributors which supply newsagents, so in effect, they do.

What the hell are these muppets up to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 07 October, 2019, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 07 October, 2019, 02:52:05 PM
ABC Warriors 5 collects Volumes 1 and 2 of the Volgan War, as we suspected it might. Such a lush-looking book - wish that Rebellion would collect things this way, and not package each volume as a measly 96-page book. (Incidentally, what we have here is the 'remastered' version that Clint did for the trades, not the original prog versions).

It's confirmed in the intro that volumes 37 and 38 will collect the entirety of the Books of Invasion; and the Warriors are mentioned as being 'on indefinite leave in the prog' - meaning, I suppose, that there's no new tale in the pipeline (presumably because Pat's busy with Spacewarp - and hopefully not that he's burnt bridges with Rebellion over royalties or somesuch).

One of the highlights of the entire collection this next ABC volume
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 08 October, 2019, 07:53:02 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 07 October, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
Are Hachette braindead?

I got a reply about my missing Slaine.  They say they don't supply local newsagents, but they supply distributors which supply newsagents, so in effect, they do.

What the hell are these muppets up to.

Eaglemoss do the same. I had 2 issues of my Star Trek Graphic Novel collection go missing from the newsagents. Bought them online instead. And then 10 weeks later they arrive at the newsagents. Thankfully just another 20, at 1 a week, to go for that collection. Should be done by February.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 09 October, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
The latest issue was a no-show this morning at my local Thrill-merchant, who showed me the delivery note which said something like, "insufficient stock". Hmm. It is available on the Hachette site so hopefully will turn up in the next few days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 October, 2019, 10:47:39 PM
Finished the latest two issues. ABC was pretty great although I question the need for the double page splash artwork that I assume was part of the previous collection but not in the prog. Just one more in this series. Shame we aren't getting the follow ups too.
On Rogue, I liked the different locations though the crabs were clearly xenomorph knockoffs. And it looks like the final rogue will skip The Hit?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 12 October, 2019, 02:13:02 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 08 October, 2019, 07:53:02 AM
Eaglemoss do the same. I had 2 issues of my Star Trek Graphic Novel collection go missing from the newsagents. Bought them online instead. And then 10 weeks later they arrive at the newsagents. Thankfully just another 20, at 1 a week, to go for that collection. Should be done by February.
Hate to break it to you, but there's well over a year left to go on that. It's been extended to 145 issues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 12 October, 2019, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: Neil C on 12 October, 2019, 02:13:02 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 08 October, 2019, 07:53:02 AM
Eaglemoss do the same. I had 2 issues of my Star Trek Graphic Novel collection go missing from the newsagents. Bought them online instead. And then 10 weeks later they arrive at the newsagents. Thankfully just another 20, at 1 a week, to go for that collection. Should be done by February.
Hate to break it to you, but there's well over a year left to go on that. It's been extended to 145 issues.

Ah man!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 12 October, 2019, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 09 October, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
The latest issue was a no-show this morning at my local Thrill-merchant, who showed me the delivery note which said something like, "insufficient stock". Hmm. It is available on the Hachette site so hopefully will turn up in the next few days.

Volgan War 1 still s no-show at the Thrill-merchant so have ordered from FP. Hopefully just a blip...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 October, 2019, 12:57:53 AM
Still a no show for my missing Slaine.  I know I'm not a Slaine fan but I don't want a gap in the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 October, 2019, 03:05:57 PM
same here man same here
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 October, 2019, 05:02:12 PM
remaining books now listed (and titled) on FP (https://forbiddenplanet.com/catalog/?q=2000ad%20ultimate&sort=release-date&page=1)
61: Slaine: Books Of Invasions: Volume 1
62: Nikolai Dante: Volume 6
63: ABC Warriors: The Volgan War Volume 2
64: Caballistics Inc., Volume 1
65: Strontium Dog: The Life And Death Of Johnny Alpha
66: Slaine: Books Of Invasions: Volume 2
67: Rogue Trooper: Volume 5
68: Ampney Crucis Investigates...
69: Nikolai Dante: Volume 7
70: Slaine: The Book Of Scars
71: Durham Red: The Scarlet Cantos
72: All-Star Future Shocks
73: Slaine: The Brutania Chronicles: Volume 1
74: Nikolai Dante: Volume 8
75: Savage
76: Sinister Dexter: Volume 3
77: Nikolai Dante: Volume 9
78: The Grievous Journey Of Ichabod Azrael
79: Slaine: The Brutania Chronicles: Volume 2
80: Caballistics Inc.: Volume 2
new covers:
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/jjjXVIN3YDv1RxA1TzOWZv3B30M=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/3c/5a/73ba4806041a4ff0512db7e29c956618550d.jpg)(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/uiQ7aTroYWcOIFNSwCWbk4eHB-8=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/a0/51/d579d701bc435f9e81c82c92a44f5e46ba01.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 16 October, 2019, 06:46:35 PM
Those covers are lovely.

So, SD is 8 volumes?  Thought it was 10 - or was I dreaming?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 October, 2019, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: karlos on 16 October, 2019, 06:46:35 PM
Those covers are lovely.

So, SD is 8 volumes?  Thought it was 10 - or was I dreaming?
Seven numbered, with the last of those due soon including Final Solution, and three modern volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 17 October, 2019, 10:46:36 AM
Well that puts to bed all the conjecture over the remaining volumes...let the baseless extension supposition commence!

I'd be very happy to see any of the following:

Red Seas
Scarlet Traces
Brass Sun
Absalom
Necronauts
Brink
Grey Area
Firekind
Leatherjack
Revere
Indigo Prime
Tyranny Rex
Cradlegrave
Carver Hale/Thirteen
Defoe
Ten-seconders
Mazeworld
Button Man
Journal of Luke Kirby
Zenith
Bix Barton
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 October, 2019, 12:04:07 PM
Honestly, I'll be surprised if we get an extension to this one. If we do, what I'd like depends very much on how many books they go for. If just ten, I'd prefer them to concentrate on wrap-ups – get series finished (Strontium Dog; Absalom) or to logical breakpoints (Kingdom).

Beyond that, it would seem sensible to have content that can be wrapped up within the extension. So short of us getting 20 books, that means no Red Seas or Brass Sun, and Grey Area would be tricky. Scarlet Traces could work by ending it at a logical moment, though, as could (as much as I personally don't care for it) Defoe. Brink would be wonderful, but seems vanishingly unlikely, given the availability of Rebellion's own trades. (I'd love that in HC, though.) Button Man would presumably have rights issues.

On a more personal front, I'd happily not see Zenith (because I have the HCs!), but would love to see some John Smith content. Whatever we get, I'd be thrilled with that Firekind/Leatherjack HC that I won't shut up about. (I mean, come on – surely Firekind deserves a reprint in book form at some point?)

EDIT: Looking at Barney, Firekind is 78 pages and Leatherjack is 116. So even if there are issues with uneven episode lengths, that's within Hachette volume requirements. Alternatively, the entirety of Revere is about the same length as Leatherjack, and could fit equally well with Firekind. A small number of Smith-penned one-offs and Terror Tales also exist if the collection needs a few extra pages filled.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 17 October, 2019, 12:46:19 PM
I was being a bit optimistic there - it's enough material for about 30 more volumes and doesn't include the stuff already in the UC that could be continued (Kingdom, Deadworld Bad Company). Honestly, I'd happily settle for a one volume extension if it included Firekind, but I suspect you're right and we won't be seeing an extension at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 October, 2019, 08:38:00 PM
I guess it just depends on sales and especially subscription levels, and it's impossible to know what those are like. Looking at it, almost every other one of Hachette's partworks has been extended, and so who knows? (Was the Doctor Who one? Mind you, that had a very obvious and finite end point. Transformers has been extended. Dredd got an extra ten. One of the Marvel ones got a bunch of extra books, and I suspect the original Marvel one will still be running when the entire world is populated by AI robots.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 18 October, 2019, 01:36:08 AM
milton keynes will be a mutie shanty town before the marvel books end
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 18 October, 2019, 08:29:22 AM
The Doctor Who one got an extension of 10 further volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 October, 2019, 10:25:44 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 October, 2019, 12:04:07 PM
Beyond that, it would seem sensible to have content that can be wrapped up within the extension.

I started working out something similar myself - I think this would do it (Stickleback was on there, but that was presuming the final book had run in the prog by that point and it seems unlikely). You could easily have more Sinister Dexter books too, of course, though the current Hachette run will leave it in a fairly tidy end-point.

1 – Absalom (Sick Leave – Terminal Diagnosis)
1 – Kingdom (As It Is In Heaven, Alpha & Omega)
1 - Strontium Dog (Stix Fix – The Son)
2 - ABC Warriors (Return to Earth, Return To Mars; Return to Ro-Busters, Fallout)
2 – Savage (The Guv'nor – Crims(4-6); Secret City – Grinders(7-9))
1 – Dark Judges (Dominion, Fall of Deadworld III, IV)

That still leaves so much cool stuff uncollected, though, that would fit neatly into one (or at most two) fairly-complete volumes - Defoe, Indigo Prime, Jaegir, Brink, Lobster Random, Luke Kirby...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 October, 2019, 10:28:01 AM
...And that's totally forgetting more Dredd stuff!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 October, 2019, 02:28:57 PM
Yeah a volume carrying on from where the MegaCollection left off with Dredd would be awesome - I'm holding back on buying some of the recent trades just in case this becomes a thing
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 October, 2019, 12:51:32 PM
Updated graph of "how much of the Prog have Hachette collected". Since last time I posted one of these I've updated my methodology somewhat to try and improve things. I've converted the Index_of_every_story_published_in_British_comic_2000AD.pdf into a csv which I'm now using for my comparison with csvs of the stories published in each Hachette volume. Previous graphs were based on the assumption that there are usually 5 stories per prog; now I know how many stories there were in each Prog I can account for those times when there were differing numbers of stories to get a more accurate picture. That said the % is based purely on the number of stories not their respective page counts, a 1 page Future Shock gets the same weighting as a double length Sinister Dexter.

By my reckoning we currently have 100% of the strips from the following progs:
257, 320, 322-325, 327, 329-332, 334-341, 343-345, 356-359, 363, 378-381, 383-385, 392, 412-418, 425, 428, 431-433, 448, 450, 555-556, 562, 1092-1095, 1100, 1138, 1150, 1523-1525, 1569-1573

That's a near complete run from 320-385 (quite a lot of near misses in the 360-377 patch where we're lacking a 1 one-shot Future Shock or some Dredds). 412-433 is also a near complete run but then Mean Team occurs and breaks it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 October, 2019, 01:50:12 PM
One last "interesting" thing I noticed as a scrolled through the numbers again. There are 435 Progs where we have 0 stories. Over 100 of which are the recent run of issues going back to 2034 which is unsurprising as I suspect many of those came out after the Ultimate Collection started running. That's just 319 issues which we have no content from out of the preceding 2033!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 20 October, 2019, 01:03:25 AM
I'm pretty sure Defoe is unlikely, seeing as it's been in the megazine the last 3 months, so that only leaves one book (and the current one). Having said that, I wouldn't complain about having it all in one volume. I think it definitely reads better collected than week by week.

On the other hand, they could just troll us and have another 10 volumes of Slaine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 October, 2019, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: athorist on 20 October, 2019, 01:03:25 AM
I'm pretty sure Defoe is unlikely, seeing as it's been in the megazine the last 3 months, so that only leaves one book (and the current one).

If we get an extension, we won't see the first book until September 2020 - and the collection is aimed nominally at new and lapsed readers, so I don't think that matters.

Hachette seems to like to collect three 'books' per volume as standard, and Leigh Gallagher's run on Defoe splits perfectly into two volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 October, 2019, 08:11:24 PM
Seems we're also missing a lot of stuff like Flesh, Leviathan, any of the Future sports.  I'm not bothered in the sports as I have the complete phone book of Harlem Heroes and Inferno, but I'm surprised on Flesh or Leviathan to be honest.

Still no sign of my missing Slaine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 October, 2019, 11:51:37 AM
strontium dog vol 7 contains final solution and roadhouse no A Sorry Case though which is sad
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 October, 2019, 12:00:16 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 23 October, 2019, 11:51:37 AM
strontium dog vol 7 contains final solution and roadhouse no A Sorry Case though which is sad

Is that it? Huh, that's a shame. I really like Roadhouse (against the prevailing winds of opinion) so I'm glad it's been collected, but I was hoping for either Sorry Case or maybe Top Dogs in there too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2019, 04:15:37 PM
Top Dogs was in the Dredd collection and we were promised no duplication.

Also, has anyone had their books? Probably unsurprisingly, mine are now late. (Shocker, I know.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 23 October, 2019, 04:44:28 PM
Not yet. Expecting them any month now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 October, 2019, 01:40:21 AM
My Slaine is STILL missing and the Hachette site has not responded.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 24 October, 2019, 09:06:14 AM
yeah my local is trying to chase up that slaine book no luck so far
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 25 October, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 23 October, 2019, 04:44:28 PM
Not yet. Expecting them any month now.

My copies of #55 and #56 have just arrived  :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 October, 2019, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 25 October, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 23 October, 2019, 04:44:28 PM
Not yet. Expecting them any month now.

My copies of #55 and #56 have just arrived  :)
I'm really pleased to hear subscribers are no longer months behind retail. My FP orders tend to appear either just before release or up to a week after.
Speaking of FP, here's some more covers courtesy of their preorders. The final volumes for ABC Warriors and Strontium Dog, and pretty sure that Caballistics should say Vol 1.
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/FTVw9lRrqXPVVKIUi8XQh8vgGmE=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/f3/87/2164b3f30e1c27f1f74ddb6bcf2cf2cfb338.jpg)
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/TgbLWxtMiolUQec22rc-JhoDz3c=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/3b/ed/e1345f01acb8a6e0a7d46f52e687213ab30f.jpg)
(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/4wMyzVxos9nrlclhsoAC9GQ14Ag=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/02/88/ac7e83f9ceaf115e847f905ea2069f36bdc7.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 25 October, 2019, 07:13:58 PM
While I thoroughly enjoyed the latest Alpha book, I just cannot take to Simon Harrison's art style, its far too murky for my liking.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 October, 2019, 09:27:19 AM
Gah - wish they'd get around to announcing an extension if there's going to be one. Plenty of great stuff in the current sale (Absalom, Flesh, Cradlegrave) but I don't want to grab things we might get in hardback if we get an extension. Guess there are worse problems to have.

The Volgan War really is stunning - started flicking through it yesterday afternoon and struggled to put it back down. There does seem to be an overabundance of double page splashs, in places they start to distract from the story a bit. They do look gorgeous though so again there are worse problems to have. Looking forward to the next volume of this already and it doesn't look like we've got too long to wait (scheduled for 15/1/2020 so I guess I'll get mine mid-late Feb given current my current delivery schedule).

Read the first couple of stories in the Rogue volume but
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 27 October, 2019, 03:49:40 PM
A sale, you say? Well that settles it, extension be damned, the wallet's coming out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 27 October, 2019, 04:23:41 PM
You got a link to the sale?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 October, 2019, 05:30:28 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 27 October, 2019, 04:23:41 PM
You got a link to the sale?

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/on-sale
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 31 October, 2019, 10:53:33 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 September, 2019, 01:09:28 PM
Rogue volume 4 contains everything up to the end of the Jose Ortiz run. The intro says the reboot will be covered in the next volume but no story details. Presumably The War Machine, don't think The Hit and the Michael Fleisher stuff are considered up to much, so what else? Hoping for Cinnabar to get some John Smith in the collection at last. Enfleshings, Hollow Town and Shock Tactics would be great too.
Some slightly not-what-I-wanted news from the facebook page on the contents of Rogue 5:
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2419428168385501?comment_id=2420078038320514) Hey Dan,
Included in Rogue Trooper Volume 5 is the following stories...
Cinnabar; What Lies Beneath; Weapons of War; Overkill; Lions; Visit to the Boneyard; Requiem; Angels; Ghouls; Realpolitik; Condor Six Down; Dead Ringer; What if... Gunnar.
Hope this helps!
So those hoping for Cinnabar will be pleased, but no War Machine. It looks more like the contents of TALES OF NU-EARTH 04 minus one or two strips. Can only hope now that War Machine will get a book in an extension...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 31 October, 2019, 11:10:25 AM
Pity, I see War Machine is in the sale but digital only. Call me old fashioned but I prefer my graphic novels in physical form.

Picked up the Flesh book in the sale though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 31 October, 2019, 11:14:31 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 31 October, 2019, 10:53:33 AM
Some slightly not-what-I-wanted news from the facebook page on the contents of Rogue 5:
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2419428168385501?comment_id=2420078038320514) Hey Dan,
Included in Rogue Trooper Volume 5 is the following stories...
Cinnabar; What Lies Beneath; Weapons of War; Overkill; Lions; Visit to the Boneyard; Requiem; Angels; Ghouls; Realpolitik; Condor Six Down; Dead Ringer; What if... Gunnar.
Hope this helps!
So those hoping for Cinnabar will be pleased, but no War Machine. It looks more like the contents of TALES OF NU-EARTH 04 minus one or two strips. Can only hope now that War Machine will get a book in an extension...

Yeah, it's basically Rennie's Realpolitik run with added Cinnabar. I'm more interested in a potential Jaegir extension volume, to be honest - that's where Rennie (and Tooth!) finally nailed the Rogue-verse.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 October, 2019, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 31 October, 2019, 11:14:31 AM
I'm more interested in a potential Jaegir extension volume, to be honest

I'd second this - have loved the recent episodes in the prog. And from the numbers on Barney it looks like the strip count is just about perfect for to gather all of it so far in one nice hardback too.

Quote from: Jade Falcon on 31 October, 2019, 11:10:25 AM
Picked up the Flesh book in the sale

I ummed and ahhhd about the Flesh book - but if we get an extension it would seem like a prime candidate for an early-period volume so I passed for now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 31 October, 2019, 07:41:59 PM
still waiting on the previous slaine volume which is sad because the next ones next week
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 01 November, 2019, 03:56:25 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 31 October, 2019, 07:41:59 PM
still waiting on the previous slaine volume which is sad because the next ones next week

They'll be coming every other delivery now. Until the end of time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 November, 2019, 06:34:49 PM
Can't say I'm thrilled with the frequency of Slaine now, how many more books is that we're due?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 November, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
Quote from: sintec on 31 October, 2019, 05:59:28 PM
I ummed and ahhhd about the Flesh book - but if we get an extension it would seem like a prime candidate for an early-period volume so I passed for now.

Don't take the risk its not worth it. Flesh is soooo good. If the sales still on get it. GET IT NOW... aham.... sorry got carried away now.... but do get it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 03 November, 2019, 06:37:37 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 02 November, 2019, 06:34:49 PM
Can't say I'm thrilled with the frequency of Slaine now, how many more books is that we're due?

I'm sorry, are you saying that you do think it too many?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 November, 2019, 10:12:31 AM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 03 November, 2019, 06:37:37 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 02 November, 2019, 06:34:49 PM
Can't say I'm thrilled with the frequency of Slaine now, how many more books is that we're due?

I'm sorry, are you saying that you do think it too many?

:lol:

Six more to come I think; wrap-up of the time-travelling/lost years stuff next week; two Books of Invasions; Wanderer/Book of Scars; and two Brutania Chronicles.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 November, 2019, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 02 November, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
Don't take the risk its not worth it. Flesh is soooo good. If the sales still on get it. GET IT NOW

Looks like I've missed that window of opportunity now - so fingers crossed for an extension volume I guess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 November, 2019, 04:53:12 PM
My books arrived, neatly left by Royal Mail in front of my house in the pissing rain while I was on holiday. When I tried to open the box, it more or less exploded in my hallway, showering the carpet with dozens of bugs that immediately darted towards darkness. By some small miracle, the books are actually fine, from what I can tell. The spines are very slightly wonky from them being left at a weird angle for days, but, hey, I have something nice to say about Hachette: that they shrink-wrap all the volumes.

Sadly, my order from Rebellion made only a few days ago did not survive. Water damage across the board, and one book that looks like someone's maliciously dropped it on a corner. I'm... not overly happy with Yodel about that – and rather wish Tharg would pick a courier company not run by sociopaths. (Does anyone know the shop droid's email?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 November, 2019, 12:51:10 AM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 03 November, 2019, 06:37:37 AM
I'm sorry, are you saying that you do think it too many?

Yes, I've made no secret of the fact that I'm not a great fan of Slaine, and now that we're still going to get so many, and so often is a bit of a bummer.  If there was a way of doing a pick and choose order I'd do so, but that's not possible I'm afraid.

Anyway, read my Flesh book.  Cheesey nonsense, but in the nicest possible way.  Claw Carver really is an utter swine isn't he, talk about two dimensional evil in the finest possible tradition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 05 November, 2019, 03:51:24 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 02 November, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
Quote from: sintec on 31 October, 2019, 05:59:28 PM
I ummed and ahhhd about the Flesh book - but if we get an extension it would seem like a prime candidate for an early-period volume so I passed for now.

Don't take the risk its not worth it. Flesh is soooo good. If the sales still on get it. GET IT NOW... aham.... sorry got carried away now.... but do get it.

Although if you're a subscriber to 2000AD, you should have at least one 50% off coupon on your account (I've got two), so could still hold off for a few months
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 05 November, 2019, 03:58:43 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 04 November, 2019, 12:51:10 AM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 03 November, 2019, 06:37:37 AM
I'm sorry, are you saying that you do think it too many?

Yes, I've made no secret of the fact that I'm not a great fan of Slaine, and now that we're still going to get so many, and so often is a bit of a bummer.  If there was a way of doing a pick and choose order I'd do so, but that's not possible I'm afraid.

Look on the bright side, at least that means there wouldn't be any Slaine in the extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 November, 2019, 08:51:41 AM
According to a post on ECBT2000ad, Finn is getting a full reprint - but that is the only reference to it that I can find.

Anyone know anymore?

Is it part of an extension or something separate?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 November, 2019, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: karlos on 06 November, 2019, 08:51:41 AM
According to a post on ECBT2000ad, Finn is getting a full reprint - but that is the only reference to it that I can find.

Anyone know anymore?

Is it part of an extension or something separate?

Sure it was as part of the UC?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 06 November, 2019, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: karlos on 06 November, 2019, 08:51:41 AM
According to a post on ECBT2000ad, Finn is getting a full reprint - but that is the only reference to it that I can find. Anyone know anymore?  Is it part of an extension or something separate?

The last we heard from Mills*, Tharg had told him Finn was on the schedule to be reprinted but that there was other material to be printed first. This was shortly after Tharg had bought a century's worth of comics.

Don't hold your breath.


* The author of that ECBT2000ad (https://2000ad.wordpress.com/2019/10/20/finn-a-potted-history-part-1-of-2/#more-36894) article, Luke Williams, is an excellent fellow, but, like us, all he knows is what Mills chooses to share with the world.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 November, 2019, 09:28:20 AM
Ah!

Cheers, chaps!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 November, 2019, 10:19:54 AM
Well, Final Solution was interesting.

Idle thoughts - I didn't mind Simon Harrison's art nearly as much as I was expecting to. It never really felt like 'proper' Strontium Dog, and there are definite issues of clarity, but he comes out with some great character designs and facial acting. Just wish someone had turned the lights on!

Alan Grant's claim that 'Feral was never intended to replace Johnny' I don't buy for a minute, I'm afraid, even if this is genuinely how he remembers it now. Feral gets the only first-person narration captions in the history of the strip thus far (and lots of them); and at least two episodes end with a single-panel page of Feral 'looking cool' (again, the first full-page panels in the strip's history.) He's clearly being presented with an eye towards 'How cool is this guy?! Right?' I don't really mind him as a character, actually, except that he takes over the story to Johnny's detriment - the angry young ghetto teen who sees the Stronts as having abandoned their mutant kin to jaunt around the Universe having cool adventures is a great angle that we haven't seen before - but it's never really explored, and all it takes is one fight for Feral to change his mind completely.

There is zero need for Sagan to be Kreelman's illegitimate son - we don't find out until quite late in the story, Johnny and Sagan are separated immediately afterwards, and it's not really mentioned again. Grant seems to be suggesting it's the 'reason' Sagan hates muties, (I feel the reader's supposed to have an 'Ahhhhh' moment) but that's a nonsense, of course, and actually cheapens the strip's long-standing hume/mutie tensions. Wagner tackled this story idea much better in Traitor to his Kind.

The greatest crime the story commits is that Johnny's such a lacking presence once they leave Smiley's World. Middenface gets all the funny lines; Feral gets all the 'cool' action moments; Johnny's a mostly silent figure lost in the background shadows of the panels. Considering this is his last story, this is unforgiveable - there's an episode right near the end that gives Johnny some reflective first-person narration, and it's great - if only the whole story had been pitched a bit more like this.

The ending is ludicrously abrupt, and a bit fudged. Even though I spent a whole episode watching it get created, I never understood what the Lyran beast was all about; Charn-El (what was his deal, come to that?) is dispatched almost as an afterthought; the last moments of the Doghouse are cool, but feel a bit 'the strip's ending, might as well.' And the gang forgot very quickly about poor Billy Glum, whose warning and disappearance is the whole reason they meet Feral and end up at Stonehenge.

More good points than I expected, but ultimately a definite missed opportunity. Really looking forward to re-reading Life and Death... for Wagner's retroactive re-positioning of this story as part of a Stront universe I recognise.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2019, 10:30:33 AM
"the last moments of the Doghouse are cool"

Despite it changing scale seemingly at the speed of a mass-shifting Transformer. As for the Lyran beast, I just figured they were all sickos. So: dump the mutants in another dimension, and then have fun killing them all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 November, 2019, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2019, 10:30:33 AM
As for the Lyran beast, I just figured they were all sickos. So: dump the mutants in another dimension, and then have fun killing them all.

Charn-El's introduced as a Lyran renegade (presumably from the other Lyrans) - then seems to be working with them, as they create the beast for his killing dimension. So... are these guys also renegades? Or was Charn-El lying?

If they're all renegades, why does Grant never tell us this? If they aren't, why the heck are they gleefully going along with genocide when the sole previous time we met them they were shocked and horrified by Malak Brood's mere mass murder, to the point where they felt duty-bound to intervene? Like I say, Charn-El's own dispatch is such an afterthought I'm not sure Grant much cared himself by the end of the story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 November, 2019, 11:01:50 AM
Always (mostly) loved Final Solution, and am in complete agreement re: the ending. 

After all those delays, why was it so rushed and abrupt?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2019, 11:10:00 AM
Deck clearing for, er... Dry Run?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 06 November, 2019, 11:29:24 AM

Obviously, nobody other than Carlos ever needed to draw Strontium Dog, but I liked Simon Harrison's art just fine. Because we all loved Ezquerra, I think we can sometimes forget how weird and divisive* his art is to other people (or was to us, the first time we encountered it).

I can see how Burton and McKenzie were thinking when they replaced Ezquerra, even if I think attempting to do so was crazy and morally wrong.

The story doesn't make sense because Strontium Dog's a series that was never designed to end about a guy who, somehow, always finds a way out of whatever fight he gets into**, so Alpha coming up short for once feels contrived and out of character.

That said, Grant's final monologue figuring Alpha's life as a series of deaths leading inevitably to his own is a fine piece of writing (and storytelling, from the great MacNeil). Strontium Dog doesn't need an ending, but, since talented people went to the trouble of creating one, The Final Solution is how Stront ends, for me.


* Although Ezquerra's draughtsmanship and storytelling are solid in a way Harrison's would never be

** I originally typed 'comes out on top', then remembered Malak Brood. That story's definitely about Alpha finding a solution to a seemingly insoluble problem, but it's difficult to figure that story's resolution as a win. As such, linking it to the story that would prove Alpha's ultimate undoing works for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 06 November, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: karlos on 06 November, 2019, 11:01:50 AM
After all those delays, why was it so rushed and abrupt?

Tharg du jour, Richard Burton, claims (https://2000ad.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/ecbt2000ad-ep285/) he thought Strontium Dog had become stale and that it was his idea to kill Johnny Alpha, in an attempt to reinvigorate the strip.

Burton's vision for the strip was to turn it into a team book with a rotating cast and team of creators, hence the experiment of Tales From The Doghouse, where other creators were given a crack at creating stories about the SD Agency.

The Final Solution was published in dribs and drabs over the course of two years*, so, presumably, Burton was keen to wrap it up as quickly as possible and deliver his magnificent vision of Strontium Dogs to the world - and prove the strip didn't need its original creators to succeed:

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=2000AD&choice=STRONTS


* Presumably, because Simon Harrison had problems delivering art on schedule, although I've never seen that confirmed
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 November, 2019, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Frank on 06 November, 2019, 11:29:24 AM
That said, Grant's final monologue figuring Alpha's life as a series of deaths leading inevitably to his own is a fine piece of writing (and storytelling, from the great MacNeil).

Yeah, as I said, that episode's great, a real stand-out. The only shame of it is to remind you how absent Johnny's been throughout most of the story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 November, 2019, 12:35:10 PM
The erroneously numbered Slaine volume seven contains:

The Triple Death
The Swan Children
Macha
Beyond
The Secret Commonwealth

I'm still hoping for the Diceman stories but not sure that's going to happen.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 06 November, 2019, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 November, 2019, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Frank on 06 November, 2019, 11:29:24 AM
That said, Grant's final monologue figuring Alpha's life as a series of deaths leading inevitably to his own is a fine piece of writing (and storytelling, from the great MacNeil).

Yeah, as I said, that episode's great, a real stand-out. The only shame of it is to remind you how absent Johnny's been throughout most of the story.

Agree limit has been exceeded: please clear space to allow further consensus.

Same goes for your observation (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=37877.msg763980#msg763980) that someone was clearly (and not too subtly) pinning their hopes on Feral as the future of the strip. Nothing against him, but it's like when your mum and dad try too hard to convince you fruit & veg are cool:


(https://i.imgur.com/7RaOTWV.png?2)


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 November, 2019, 01:18:17 PM
Quote from: Frank on 06 November, 2019, 12:50:05 PM
Same goes for your observation (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=37877.msg763980#msg763980) that someone was clearly (and not too subtly) pinning their hopes on Feral as the future of the strip.

Wait, was I the first person to make the Feral/Poochie comparison?! I'm wittier than I thought...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 06 November, 2019, 01:19:35 PM
I remember reading Alpha's death and, a la Spaced, I did tear up.

The idea of the character, my all-time fave, dying, really hit my 16 year old self hard.

No-one really seemed to know what to do with Feral, did they? 

I always liked him in FS and Monsters, but then after that...



Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2019, 01:28:43 PM
A problem, I guess, when you change what was always a western in space into a space opera.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 November, 2019, 02:16:28 PM
So another Slaine book yesterday, which for now I refuse to read. The reason being that I'm still missing the previous one. Looks like I'll have to contact the clowns at Hachette again. I want to read them in order, well obviously bar Horned God since that was the first issue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 November, 2019, 09:45:47 AM
Lush Cam Kennedy (i assume) cover to the Invasion! Issue (60) (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/invasion)

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/5f5d592e-9eb5-4029-8666-f469ef525cb9.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 November, 2019, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 November, 2019, 09:45:47 AM
Lush Cam Kennedy (i assume) cover to the Invasion! Issue (60) (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/invasion)

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/5f5d592e-9eb5-4029-8666-f469ef525cb9.jpg)

Cool cover. Barney has the total page count for the original run at 236, if the title pages are reduced a la Future Shocks it could all fit in to one volume. Be great to have a complete hardback collection of an early Thrill.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 November, 2019, 10:30:17 PM
The original Trade paperback release that had that self same cover was all in one.  The only other Savage related books were Taking Liberties and The Guv'nor which was the later Bill Savage stories and even then Rebellion hasn't caught up to the Savage story in their releases.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 09 November, 2019, 02:56:44 AM
Sorry for the double post, but I have to ask.

How many here are missing their Slaine Volume Six/Issue 54?  I have despatched another email to Hachette but don't hold out much hope in any contact.

This has been eight weeks and it is marked as out of stock.  Most unsatisfactory, and especially so if it happens later on a book I really urgently want.  While I'm not Slaines biggest fan I don't like the idea of a missing part in the collection.

I'd like to know who else has this problem.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 November, 2019, 08:55:39 AM
I have the exact problem....I am most displeased and so is my local newsagent who was charged for it then never got the bloody book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 09 November, 2019, 01:43:34 PM
All of my back issues (10) arrived last week up to and including #56
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 09 November, 2019, 04:42:05 PM
I know the website lists the issue as out of stock, but might it be worth trying a phone call? I managed to get a binder for Warhammer that way which isn't even listed as available on the shop. Or try an email to forbidden planet? You never know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 November, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
What I love about these books over, say, pretty much the same strip material in the Rebellion softcover TPBs, is the essays at the back -  they give some great context to what you're reading.

The current and previous Slaine volumes have been particularly interesting - pretty frank about the doldrums Slaine found itself in post-Horned God. David Bishop is clearly trying to be as diplomatic as he can, but there's a lot to be read between the lines. When Mills claims 'the readership had been counter-culturally cleansed of those who were interested in magic since the cancellation of Finn' and Bishop says the readers had just grown bored of reading essentially the same thing each time Slaine time-travelled, I'm afraid I know who I believe...!

I hadn't realised how many artists Slaine had just plain broken, abandoning comics completely directly after working on the Woad Warrior (he didn't think it too many). I didn't know that Siku struggled so much to reconcile his Christian beliefs with his work on a pagan character. And it was news to me that working together on The Secret Commonwealth was what first turned Mills against Diggle, presumably setting the tone for their relationship once Diggle became editor.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 10 November, 2019, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 November, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
The current and previous Slaine volumes have been particularly interesting - pretty frank about the doldrums Slaine found itself in post-Horned God. David Bishop is clearly trying to be as diplomatic as he can, but there's a lot to be read between the lines. When Mills claims 'the readership had been counter-culturally cleansed of those who were interested in magic since the cancellation of Finn' and Bishop says the readers had just grown bored of reading essentially the same thing each time Slaine time-travelled, I'm afraid I know who I believe...!

Mills has absolutely zero critical perspective on himself, but Dave Bishop was the guy with his hand up Tharg's arse while he excitedly informed readers they were in for an entire year where a Sláine story would feature in the comic almost every week*

That sudden ubiquity, and the compromises regarding art quality that it necessitated, had as much to do with the strip's transformation from a rare showcase of the comic at its best into a test of the reader's patience.

Barring some kind of Hatton Garden type scenario (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hatton-garden-heist-leader-found-7196229), I don't think Mills has compromising nudes of Thargs past or present, so their reasons for hiring him must be as complex as Mills's own career and storytelling decisions can sometimes be.

I've thought about eBaying the Hachette books just for the interviews. Damn you, Jimbo!


* Slaine featured in almost every issue of 2000ad Bishop published between late 1995 and the end of 1998 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=2000AD&choice=SLAINE)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 10 November, 2019, 10:40:57 PM
Post-Horned God, Slaine is/was 2000AD's second best-known property beyond the core fanbase, with almost Dredd-like penetration into tattoos and whatnot.  Makes sense that Bishop would place him front and centre in his attempts to stop the slide.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 10 November, 2019, 11:07:28 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 10 November, 2019, 10:40:57 PM
Post-Horned God, Slaine is/was 2000AD's second best-known property beyond the core fanbase, with almost Dredd-like penetration into tattoos and whatnot.  Makes sense that Bishop would place him front and centre in his attempts to stop the slide.

I wouldn't dispute the commercial logic of that (https://youtu.be/rS1le_8ZhOU?t=7).


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 10 November, 2019, 11:59:26 PM
"It's David Bishop's fault that Slaine was shit" is certainly an... interesting take on the matter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 11 November, 2019, 06:34:29 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 November, 2019, 11:59:26 PM
"It's David Bishop's fault that Slaine was shit" is certainly an... interesting take on the matter.

Running Slaine in the prog almost every week for a year is clear evidence of - now, how did Patrick describe it? Oh yes, that was it - my "anti-Pagan agenda".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 11 November, 2019, 07:26:30 AM

No. By 1996, both Pat Mills and Sláine were problems. The editor's solution to these problems was to make both a permanent fixture in the comic for more than two years*


There seemed to be only two ways of working with Pat - confrontation or caving in to him. I decided to restrict him to a single strip in the comic, and Sláine was by far the most popular of his creations.
David Bishop, Thrillpower Overload (p187)


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 November, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
That's arguably part of the problem I suppose - a lot of Slaine is being requested for the comic at a time when Pat's found 'the well has run dry' and he has nothing left to say about the Celtic era. Add in the fact he has no other strips ongoing, and it becomes less surprising that Slaine at this time became a vehicle for Pat to rant about explore about any old historical era that catches his fancy.

Whatever the reason, coming to all this stuff fresh in these books there's a definite sense of fatigue or going-through-the-motions, more often than not. The Lost Years arc is so much better than the Grail War or King of Hearts stuff that preceded it, even though it's still not A-grade material - but The Swan Children was a real surprise. Short, sweet and subtle. Siku feels so right for the strip, and Ukko's allowed to be quite a  nuanced character for the first time... well, ever?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 November, 2019, 03:47:11 PM
Annnd still missing Slaine volume six, absolutely no response from Hachette.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 18 November, 2019, 05:52:32 PM
Volumes 57 & 58 arrived today. They look lovely at first glance.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 November, 2019, 04:42:35 PM
New Slaine really is a huge step back in the right direction after the last couple of volumes.  My books turned up yesterday and I've already read the 4 shorter stories in there and thoroughly enjoyed all of them.  The Swan Children is absolutely glorious a beautiful little celtic fairy tale with stunning art to match.  Just got The Secret Commonwealth left to go. Although after a quick flick through the pages and I'm unconvinced by the art, the style just doesn't feel like a good fit for Slaine at first glance - maybe it'll grow on me with a proper read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 November, 2019, 05:16:24 PM
The Swan Children and Macha, in this case aka the moiré years. Yuck. (Probably unavoidable, but still.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 November, 2019, 06:57:33 PM
Tried phoning Hachette direct, after an hour on hold I gave up, they don't reply to emails. What a bunch of useless incompetents.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 November, 2019, 07:25:24 PM
I assume they're not responding on Facebook? Try responding very publicly in feeds if not. That tends to get them to reply.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 19 November, 2019, 07:50:45 PM
can't believe i had to reactivate my long ago terminated facebook account just to try to get an answer from these people
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 November, 2019, 08:16:45 AM
Quote from: sintec on 19 November, 2019, 04:42:35 PM
Just got The Secret Commonwealth left to go. Although after a quick flick through the pages and I'm unconvinced by the art, the style just doesn't feel like a good fit for Slaine at first glance - maybe it'll grow on me with a proper read.

Nope - over the half way mark and can say I'm still not a fan. Which is a shame as I think there's a good story buried in here. A very odd choice of artist for this strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2019, 08:34:26 AM
Didn't Bircham redo a bunch of things for the reprint, or am I misremembering?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 20 November, 2019, 01:08:08 PM
Issue 59 contains:
Sooner or Later
Swifty's Return
Hewligan's Haircut
Zaucer of Zilk
Future Shocks: 60 Hours that Shook the World & Bad Maxwell
One-off: Breathless
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Frank on 20 November, 2019, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 20 November, 2019, 01:08:08 PM
Issue 59 contains:
Sooner or Later
Swifty's Return
Hewligan's Haircut
Zaucer of Zilk
Future Shocks: 60 Hours that Shook the World & Bad Maxwell
One-off: Breathless

Just looked up Bad Maxwell (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=402). Disappointed to find it wasn't a preemptive warning to pensioners about the impending sale of IPC's youth group to the Daily Mirror conman, but delighted to discover a Brendan McCarthy story I wasn't aware of.

Story's awful dreck, but McCarthy's McCarthy.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2019, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 20 November, 2019, 01:08:08 PMIssue 59 contains:
That's a wird mix, but a pretty good one. I guess I'll get to enjoy that in ~28 days!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2019, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2019, 02:39:53 PM
That's a weird mix...

Is it? They're all pretty of a kind, I'd say - spaced-out psychedelia!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
Well, more a mix of weird than a weird mix.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2019, 04:25:53 PM
 :lol: Quite!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 20 November, 2019, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2019, 08:34:26 AM
Didn't Bircham redo a bunch of things for the reprint, or am I misremembering?

Clint Langley redid some bits of his Slaine work - maybe that's what you're thinking of?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 21 November, 2019, 02:57:24 PM
Oh, joy. After finding it harder and harder to find copies locally, I gave in and subscribed via the Hachette website to start from Issue 57.

Guess what they've sent me today?

Issue 6.

*bangs head on desk*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 November, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
Finally the missing Slaine came in, ten weeks late, not bad Hachette.

Can we nominate them for the most crap customer service.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Mardroid on 21 November, 2019, 03:48:48 PM
Eaglemoss could be a contender.

To be fair they answer the phone, (eventually) but I'm still waiting for a big refund of over £100 for Discovery Starship collection models that never arrived.

Basically there was a special deal some months back for the discovery version of the Enterprise for £9.99. (A good deal as these are the larger models.) I never received an acknowledgement email for subscribing  but they took my money. Goods never arrived.

I contacted them, and they said it was because I subscribed with a device other than PC. The registration wasn't completed properly. I was told that I'd be refunded back automatically. Instead another payment was taken, this time more money (you know the second discount price these things are). And later more was withdrawn. Then again. 

Between these payments being taken I did contact them again and they informed me they asked me for my account number (which was never sent). They then asked me for bank statements proof of the withdrawals. In my case it was PayPal, but I supplied that. They were very apologetic, and seemed puzzled that the debits were continuing since I want technically set up. They do they'd forward my info to head office. A couple days later another chunk was withdrawn.

I cancelled direct debit at my end and it hasn't occurred anymore, but there's been no refunds and no models sent. I should have done that straight away, I suppose i was hoping they'd rectify things their end.

Thankfully I've been working so it's not made me on debt at all, but it's really annoying.

I requested their head office contact details and our seems I have to send them a physical letter by post.

Haven't gotten round to that yet. Printing is a minor rigmarole for me, but it'll do that very shortly.

I only wanted the Enterprise too! That'll teach me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: christy2002b on 21 November, 2019, 09:38:21 PM
Quote from: Neil C on 21 November, 2019, 02:57:24 PM
Oh, joy. After finding it harder and harder to find copies locally, I gave in and subscribed via the Hachette website to start from Issue 57.

Guess what they've sent me today?

Issue 6.

*bangs head on desk*
I

I hear that - I tried to subscribe repeatedly but after getting my third copy of issue 6 I finally twigged that there was no way that they were ever going to be able to start a subscription with issue 29. Very poor customer service.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 21 November, 2019, 09:56:27 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2019, 08:34:26 AM
Didn't Bircham redo a bunch of things for the reprint, or am I misremembering?

Langley redid/recoloured parts of his first Slaine story - the Robin Hood one whose name escapes me!

Possibly confused by them both featuring (ISTR) green Ukkos for some reason?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2019, 11:00:34 AM
Ah, must be that then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 November, 2019, 05:36:25 PM
got my 54 too
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 23 November, 2019, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: christy2002b on 21 November, 2019, 09:38:21 PM
Quote from: Neil C on 21 November, 2019, 02:57:24 PM
Oh, joy. After finding it harder and harder to find copies locally, I gave in and subscribed via the Hachette website to start from Issue 57.

Guess what they've sent me today?

Issue 6.

*bangs head on desk*
I

I hear that - I tried to subscribe repeatedly but after getting my third copy of issue 6 I finally twigged that there was no way that they were ever going to be able to start a subscription with issue 29. Very poor customer service.
Well, the woman I spoke to yesterday, who sounded as though she was drugged and being forced to work there against her will, claims that she's corrected it and I should receive the correct issues in 7 to 14 days.

I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 November, 2019, 01:41:37 PM
I'm genuinely amazed you got to speak to someone. They're variable but usually reasonably responsive on Facebook Messenger – I'd say 90% of my queries have been responded to, and the majority acted on accurately. (A tip there is to be VERY clear in your requests. Do not be vague. If you want a replacement for specific issues, ask for them. Bullet-point lists work well.) I've had the odd response via email, too, albeit from people who I'm not sure have used email before, nor necessarily communicated with actual humans.

As a quick contrast regarding customer service, I recently ordered a batch of stuff from Rebellion that Yodel helpfully dropped and also abandoned while I was away on holiday, during which time it was pissing down, hence what was inside also getting water damage. Within two working days, I'd been offered a replacement order, which then arrived when promised. All simple stuff, but it felt like I was dealing with a real person (although, as we know, all of Tharg's minions are of course actually cartoon robots – good AI though).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 23 November, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 November, 2019, 01:41:37 PM
I'm genuinely amazed you got to speak to someone.
Me too! I'd been on hold for about ten minutes and had been played the "F#%! off, we're busy" message a few times, then the "We're not going to answer and this call will terminate automatically if you keep holding" message but I decided to persevere and the Hachette hostage answered a minute or so later.

I'd tried Facebook messenger on Thursday morning but as yet my message is still unread.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 28 November, 2019, 03:22:19 PM
Argh! Just checked my online account to see if the correct issues have been allocated yet, and my subscription is now showing as Cancelled. Here we go again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 November, 2019, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: Neil C on 28 November, 2019, 03:22:19 PM
Argh! Just checked my online account to see if the correct issues have been allocated yet, and my subscription is now showing as Cancelled. Here we go again.
Save yourself the pain: go to forbidden planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/catalog/?q=2000ad%20ultimate&sort=release-date&page=1) and preorder the remainder of the series. The books are 50p off retail so by the time you've ordered them all the bulk postage £5 will have been offset twice over. The only one they don't have you're after is 58. The books ship as soon as they come into stock (and you're only charged then too) in a nice hard cardboard sleeve.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 29 November, 2019, 12:16:24 AM
has an extension been announced ?
was the dredd extension announced closer to the end?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 29 November, 2019, 10:14:13 AM
They're taking the f'ing piss now. Just logged into my Hachette account again, and it seems that instead of jumping my sub on to issue 57, she hasn't just cancelled it, but she's also subscribed me to the Deadpool collection starting at issue 4. My direct messages on Facebook remain unread.

My head hurts...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 November, 2019, 10:34:24 AM
Er. That's... quite something.

It's like they randomly respond, half the time. I once made the mistake of saying I was "thinking about cancelling" because of their screw-ups, whereupon they immediately cancelled my subscription. That was a lesson learned.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 November, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: rs_jr on 29 November, 2019, 12:16:24 AM
has an extension been announced ?
was the dredd extension announced closer to the end?
Dredd extension was circa #65, Transformers extension #67. So come Feb/March for this one...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 29 November, 2019, 01:50:55 PM
Been holding off buying a few books just in case of them turning up in a possible extension, but the sale price for Luke Kirby & Zenith 1-4 were just too damn appealing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 November, 2019, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: moogie101 on 29 November, 2019, 01:50:55 PM
Been holding off buying a few books just in case of them turning up in a possible extension, but the sale price for Luke Kirby & Zenith 1-4 were just too damn appealing.

Yeah that's too good to resist and from past discussions here it seems most people think Zenith is unlikely to appear in any extension anyway.

Those 2 Dan Dare volumes were really tempting too - the art looks great and again I can't see it appearing in the Hachette vols.  I'll probably kick myself down the road but there's an impending house move on the horizon and my reading list is already fairly epic so I'm going to be a good boy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 November, 2019, 03:49:24 PM
Dan Dare is unlikely to appear in the Hachette run, due to the additional licensing bullshit that would be required. Zenith... hard to say. It'd certainly fit nicely into a couple of Hachette HCs, but the larger Rebellion volumes are lovely.

My take on these is that you're very, very unlikely to ever see the Dare books at that price again. And even the Zenith ones are only ever that low second-hand on eBay. Er, not that I'm suggesting you be a bad boy or anything.

(Actually, that is exactly what I'm suggesting.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 November, 2019, 05:05:50 PM
Darn you IndigoPrime - have succumbed to the peer pressure and a 2nd order has been placed. Regretted missing Flesh in the last sale and that really is an amazing price for that much comic. Have dropped the store an email to see if the postage from the 2 orders can be combined.

Here's hoping we get an extension which includes some Flesh but not Zenith, although I'm sure I can sell these copies for something close to what I just paid if it does get included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 December, 2019, 10:48:35 AM
Ohmygod ohmygod OHMYGOD!!!!!

Confirmed on Facebook - collection has been extended to 110 issues...!

Best Chrimbo present EVA!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 December, 2019, 10:52:59 AM
That's... a curious number. Dear Tharg, who is curating this: PLEASE now find room for Firekind. I know you said in the podcast that it was an awkward fit, but you've mashed together other series to create a 200pp volume. And Firekind + Leatherjack would fit very, very nicely. Pretty please and a cherry on top.

Here is the relevant post, by the way (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2441753582819626?comment_id=2449563795371938&reply_comment_id=2451534705174847). It'll be interesting to see how this goes. There's no obvious reason (bar Rebellion licensing/subscriptions retention) why this series couldn't do a Marvel. There's plenty of content knocking around. But 30 books gives them a ton of scope to:

- Expand beyond the usual suspects (since Sláine and Strontium Dog will basically be done)
- Add a few modern Dredd volumes
- Delve into lesser-known titles that are OOP from Rebellion or that have never seen collections (or collections beyond paperbacks/Meg floppies)
- Get some key series to logical breakpoints (like Kingdom)

Interesting stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 December, 2019, 10:58:28 AM
I don't really know how to link to specific FB posts, but this is the thread - https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2441753289486322&set=a.1849714002023590

When newsagents started to struggle to get it in and books were disappearing from the Hachette site the moment they'd been released, I honestly thought it was the death knell of the series and that an extension was never going to happen - so I'm really chuffed!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 December, 2019, 11:00:36 AM
Once these things get past a certain point, it's all about subscribers and retention. The Marvel series hasn't been in local stores for years (and I've also not seen it in big London WHSmith outlets), but it's still going on, presumably until the heat death of the universe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 December, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
I think it's fair to say an extra 30 books is also more than any of us expected - here's hoping for a Machine Law-Guatemala volume!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 December, 2019, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 02 December, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
I think it's fair to say an extra 30 books is also more than any of us expected - here's hoping for a Machine Law-Guatemala volume!
WHOOP! Well done for spotting that Dark Jimbo! Amazing news.
Oh, and if you click on the time/date the FB post was made, that's the link to the specific post.
https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2441753582819626?comment_id=2449563795371938&reply_comment_id=2451534705174847
Should we start asking Boo Cook if he's doing a spine extension!?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 December, 2019, 11:30:12 AM
This is awesome news - although it does make my Zenith purchase in the BF sale look at risk of being a double dip. Ah well such is life.

My wishlist:
1 Absalom
1 Kingdom
1 Stickleback
1-2 ABC Warriors (Return To *)
1 Flesh
2 V.Cs
1-2 Dominion / Fall Of Deadworld
1 Jaegir
1 Lobster Random
2 Indigo Prime
1 Thistlebone (this is probably wishful thinking as I suspect there's not enough)
2 Brink
4 Red Seas
2 Grey Area
2 Defoe
2 John Smith volumes (Cradlegrave, Leatherjack, Firekind, Revere)

That'd leave room for another 3 Dredd books.  1 following on from the end of the Trifecta volume in the Mega Collection would be good (Enceladus - Small House?) and a volume with Machine Law and Gautemala would also be lovely.  Not sure about the thrid one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 December, 2019, 11:41:15 AM
I wouldn't worry about the Zenith books – you'd easily enough be able to sell them on eBay for at least as much as they cost in that sale.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 December, 2019, 11:54:17 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 December, 2019, 11:41:15 AM
I wouldn't worry about the Zenith books – you'd easily enough be able to sell them on eBay for at least as much as they cost in that sale.

Yeah that was pretty much my justification at the time.

And I think the missing vol from my 30 above is a final Strontium Dog volume as I think there's about a book worth of stuff we're not getting in the initial 80.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 December, 2019, 11:56:27 AM
It's amazing how quickly 30 books is gone, as soon as you start portioning out the content!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 December, 2019, 12:15:46 PM
Since 30 books is over a year, I think they may even be open to another extension if the content/sales are there.
The marvel one was extended by 60 (having begun as only 60), then 20, then 30, then another 30 and at present 20 more to 220.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 December, 2019, 12:28:05 PM
Wow, fantastic news. There has to be some John Smith in the extension, hopefully including Revere, discussed on the most recent Mega City Book Club. A Ron Smith Dredd volume would be good, plus more recent Dredd and Dominion/Torture Garden. I guess this and any further extensions need to maintain distance from Rebellion's release schedule, although that's focusing a lot more now on the Treasury of British Comics so could work out well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 December, 2019, 12:35:56 PM
To stop people freaking out, the entire 2000 AD line will be unavailable on the Hachette site from 9 December for a month, according to an email I just received. (Warehouse move. Same happened with the Marvel one.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 December, 2019, 01:01:42 PM
Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas. Complete Red Seas.....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 December, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
My issue 60 just came from FP with a 3mm slippage on the spine towards the back. Last time there was a problem like this I sent it back and they replaced but...
...but
I just can't be bothered anymore. It's fine. It's black. Not like Dredd where the white lines were so clear.
The issue contains the whole (i assume) strip as serialised in progs 1-51
Oh, and the back endpapers are upside down. I only just saw that as I leafed through and wrote the above.
I may ask FB for a replacement and see how far that gets me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 02 December, 2019, 01:15:16 PM
Wow, I was expecting an extension of ten at the most to bring it in line with the Dredd Collection.

Will be very interesting to see what gets added, although the real shame is if this has been planned for awhile why the hell didn't they push a couple of those Slaine books into the extension?

At least Dante Vol. 9 (Spine number 80 isn't released until next July so hopefully they can avoid the spines not matching problem of the Dredd collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 December, 2019, 02:15:05 PM
I'd quite like it if they from the 81st one just ditched the spine art and went for normal spines, but I can't imagine that'll happen. Gotta keep people adding to that art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 December, 2019, 02:39:37 PM
(https://2000ad.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/8f-12-scaled.jpg)
I really hope Mr Cook does another character standing back to back with Kano in the same pose. He's planned it well I'd say.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 December, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Do you think we'll see a third future shocks volume?

We don't know what the All-Stars Volume (Issue 72) will contain yet but it seems likely that's going to be along similar lines to "The Best Of Tharg's Future Shocks" http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=reprint&page=gnprofiles&choice=future

If that's right it would mean we're lacking in any Future shocks past prog 550 or so - there must have been a books worth of decent shocks since then right?

Or maybe a volume of 3hrillers? Or one of the other various anthology headings?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cannco on 02 December, 2019, 05:21:39 PM
Another 30 books...were gonna need a bigger boat !
I'm not sure my shelves can take the extra weight/space .
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 December, 2019, 08:38:27 PM
Is there still a Rebellion sale?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 02 December, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Well, yesterday I bought issues 1 - 56 from a friend so it looks like I"m back on the horse! It's killed me that after a dodgy couple of years, I couldn't subscribe to this!

Happy!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 December, 2019, 09:41:44 PM
stuff i wanna see though i doubt most of it would get in

1 final ace trucking just to end it

1 strontium dog just to cover all the post death and rebirth stories

as many goddamn red seas as needed for a full run

vcs

anything john smith

canon fodder (will never happen but a lad can dream)

some more savage volumes as we do need more mills in our life :P

abc warriors see above

3 more artist specific dredd collections maybe a second carlos one?

a millar robohunter collection just to hear the gnashing and groaning of this entire messageboard

strontium dogs (see above)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 December, 2019, 12:25:16 AM
I'd like to see some of the post classic Rogue Trooper from Realpolitik on.

More Savage than has been covered in the three Rebellion trades.

Leviathan.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 03 December, 2019, 12:41:30 AM
Great news.There's loads of stuff to choose from Another vote for The Vcs
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 December, 2019, 08:55:57 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 December, 2019, 12:25:16 AM
I'd like to see some of the post classic Rogue Trooper from Realpolitik on.

Isn't that already scheduled for the 5th book?

Quote from: Tomwe on 31 October, 2019, 10:53:33 AM
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2419428168385501?comment_id=2420078038320514) Hey Dan,
Included in Rogue Trooper Volume 5 is the following stories...
Cinnabar; What Lies Beneath; Weapons of War; Overkill; Lions; Visit to the Boneyard; Requiem; Angels; Ghouls; Realpolitik; Condor Six Down; Dead Ringer; What if... Gunnar.
Hope this helps!

I guess a 6th book with War Machine is a possibility though, is there enough other worthwhile Rogue to get the page count up.

I've also realised I left no room for any further Sinister Dexter volumes in my list - seems likely there'll be 1 or 2 more of those. Do we have any idea what's going to be in book 3? And how many more books would be needed to wrap up the next major storyline after that?
I'd really like to get a bit more up to date with this strip as I feel like I'm missing some back story for some of the recent episodes in the prog.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 03 December, 2019, 09:49:55 AM
Can I just say how bemusing it is reading the enthusiasm for the extension in light of the despair over Hachette's customer service recently.

:o
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 December, 2019, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 03 December, 2019, 09:49:55 AM
Can I just say how bemusing it is reading the enthusiasm for the extension in light of the despair over Hachette's customer service recently.

I buy the books from Forbidden Planet, so I'm afraid Hachette's customer service doesn't really bother me!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 December, 2019, 10:05:34 AM
The customer service is atrocious. Errors in the books are frustrating. The spine art is divisive. But the product as a whole is excellent – and it's not like Rebellion is churning out HCs itself. If the company was in a position to mirror Image's excellent oversized hardcovers, I'd buy them instead.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 03 December, 2019, 03:27:19 PM
Er, I'm clicking on the FB link and all I'm getting is what would be Tharg's favourite weapon?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 03 December, 2019, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: levers on 03 December, 2019, 03:27:19 PM
Er, I'm clicking on the FB link and all I'm getting is what would be Tharg's favourite weapon?
That's the main post that was replied to. Click here for the goodness (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2441753582819626?comment_id=2449563795371938&reply_comment_id=2451534705174847)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 03 December, 2019, 03:45:38 PM
Oh I see. That's very Hachette isn't it! Let's casually drop that into the conversation. No need to make an official announcement now....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Steve Green on 03 December, 2019, 08:04:54 PM
Cheers,

I don't really visit that thread as I'm not a subscriber. And not as active on the forum as I used to be either.

But interesting to see it get an extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 December, 2019, 12:21:13 AM
Quote from: sintec on 03 December, 2019, 08:55:57 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 December, 2019, 12:25:16 AM
I'd like to see some of the post classic Rogue Trooper from Realpolitik on.

Isn't that already scheduled for th

It might be, bear in mind I gave up reading 2000ad before the whole 'Galactic Hitman' storyline, and never knew of Realpolitik till years later, and was unaware of just how much there was from Hitman onwards, including Jaegir, Friday and the 86ers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 December, 2019, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 04 December, 2019, 12:21:13 AM
It might be, bear in mind I gave up reading 2000ad before the whole 'Galactic Hitman' storyline, and never knew of Realpolitik till years later, and was unaware of just how much there was from Hitman onwards, including Jaegir, Friday and the 86ers.

Ahh fair enough - this is all new to me really. I just did quite a bit of research before signing on (decided I'd rather risk spoilers and make an informed choice) and alongside rediscovering a love of comics I've also rediscovered a love of spreadsheets and cataloguing things.

Really hoping we'll see a book of Jaegir in the extension the recent run in the prog was great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 04 December, 2019, 01:54:34 PM
What I'd really like to see in the extension is a complete run of Defoe. Complete Stickleback might also be nice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 December, 2019, 09:07:16 PM
Well I picked up Invasion today, haven't burst the seal so I don't know if its the exact same as the Rebellion Invasion book, I imagine so.  I've got two Slaine books, this, and the Hewligans Haircut book to read.

I'd like to see a few more 'classic era' as in earlier stories in an extension as well, though to be honest I can't think of any must haves.  VC's would be nice though I have them all, a hardcover would be nice.  Leviathan might be a nice one, and surely if there was to be any more Dredd a Captain Skank volume should be in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 05 December, 2019, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 04 December, 2019, 09:07:16 PM
Well I picked up Invasion today, haven't burst the seal so I don't know if its the exact same as the Rebellion Invasion book, I imagine so.  I've got two Slaine books, this, and the Hewligans Haircut book to read.

I'd like to see a few more 'classic era' as in earlier stories in an extension as well, though to be honest I can't think of any must haves.  VC's would be nice though I have them all, a hardcover would be nice.  Leviathan might be a nice one, and surely if there was to be any more Dredd a Captain Skank volume should be in there.
When you open it let me know if the Back endpapers are upside down?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 05 December, 2019, 11:05:36 AM
Would more Lawless be out of the question, even if the first book came in the Mega Collection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 December, 2019, 11:56:44 AM
A Fiends book would be a nice inclusion; plenty to choose from now between the classic strip, the Durham Red one-shot, the Bishop/MacNeil story, and the Edginton revival.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 05 December, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
I picked up Invasion yesterday and I have to say it's very enjoyable. The art on the spine is slightly off but not enough to bother me, the end pages on my copy are not upside down.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2019, 01:10:03 PM
And in the nightmare dimension: "Sorry, but we've decided that of the 30 new books, 30 of them will somehow be Sláine."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 05 December, 2019, 04:29:38 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 December, 2019, 11:56:44 AM
A Fiends book would be a nice inclusion; plenty to choose from now between the classic strip, the Durham Red one-shot, the Bishop/MacNeil story, and the Edginton revival.

I'll second that.

I've seen some lovely art by Carlos, and love the few progs I've purchased with the new series so would be lovely to have it all collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 05 December, 2019, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2019, 01:10:03 PM
And in the nightmare dimension: "Sorry, but we've decided that of the 30 new books, 30 of them will somehow be Sláine."

Surely that's also every issue of The Best of 2000ad!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 December, 2019, 05:28:17 PM
Speculating about the extension got me thinking about how much of the prog we've already had.  Playing arround with the data I hit on the idea with looking at it through the lens of Funt Solos excellent 2000 AD in Stages (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45960.msg1018205#msg1018205) thread.  Thought others here might find the resulting graph interesting so here it is.

For the initial run of 80 books I don't think we're actually expecting much which is going to change this.  The next future shock volume will inch some of the columns up a little bit as will Cinnabar in the 5th Rogue volume.  Other than those 2 books I think everything else is going to be in later stages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 December, 2019, 04:26:10 AM
I'd really like to know what more stuff will be in an extension as to be frank I've had more satisfaction from the Dredd collection, there have been a fair few too many that I've been meh about, namely the amount of Slaine but others as well.  I'm also surprised there hasn't been more of the really older collection like Flesh, Shako, Harlem Heroes, The VC's, Ro-Busters and others.  Granted, all of those I've listed I already own in other trades, but I'm talking about that era.  For a 'best of', there's a fair amount of newer stories, at least newer by my perspective.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 December, 2019, 09:05:32 AM
That's interesting - personally I'd found that the Dredd collection had more meh volumes. Stuff like Stars of Psi-Division, Behind The Iron Curtain, The Heavy Mob, and Fallen Angels were all a bit rubbish and I can't see them getting many re-reads. Slaine 5 & 6 I could have lived without and that 2nd volume of Robo-hunter was a slog to get through but otherwise I've enjoyed pretty much everything in the Ultimate collection so far.  For my money the bad Dredd volumes were worse than the bad Ultimate ones have been ymmv clearly.

Given we've got 30 books in the extension I'd be very surprised if we don't get at least a couple of those titles.  Flesh and VCs both seem like pretty safe bets for inclusion.  Not sure what they'd pair Shako with to make up a vol, I don't think it's got enough page count to stand alone.  Similarly I'm not sure if there enough 2000ad era Ro-busters to make a volume given we've already had a couple of bits in ABC Warriors: Volume 4. Although it would seem weird to include Return To Ro-Busters without including more Ro-busters and I think the Return To ABCs stories seem like strong candidates for inclusion.  Personally the future sports stuff doesn't really appeal but given it's significance in that opening line up I wouldn't be surprised to see a volume or 2 of Harlem Heroes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 07 December, 2019, 09:20:41 AM
Yeah that's an interesting take. I feel like the collection has been a bit of a slave to nostalgia and is overly dominated by complete sets of stuff from the 80s instead of taking a braver approach and including a wider range of stuff from the whole run.

Mambo please!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 07 December, 2019, 09:51:44 AM
Would nice if they can include harry20, mean areana and other older stuff that's either oop or not previously released in graphic novel format
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 December, 2019, 11:00:26 AM
I think this conversation is nicely proving just how hard it is to please everyone when compiling a collection like this. The complete runs of the classics were quite appealing to me as a new reader but it has dictated a lot of the content so far.

It'd be nice to see some more creator themed volumes gathering up any future shock style shorts and 2-3 self contained stories by a specific writer or artist. We've not really had very much of that and it looks like a potentially rich seam.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 December, 2019, 01:15:14 PM
What sintec says. Personally, I'm very happy Strontium Dog and Nikolai Dante got complete runs. Of course, the latter would make no sense piecemeal, but the former could have easily enough skipped a bunch of stuff and still worked. But with Sláine, I'd have happily jumped from Horned God to Books of Invasion (perhaps with a single 'highlights' volume of some of the better in-between shots). But then Sláine is arguably the most famous 2000 AD character after Dredd, and so it makes sense to get it warts an' all.

For me, what's going to be interesting is what happens in those extra 30 volumes. I assume that they will mostly be hardback versions of books Rebellion has already released in some format (be that for OOP soft back trades, Meg floppies, or something else). But I do hope there's a decent mix of strips. I personally don't want a nostalgia fest any more than it would have made sense for the Marvel series to go all-in on a classic run.

My hope is the series primarily concentrates on objectively decent fare. By admission of the editorial content in the Dredd volumes, that wasn't always the case, which, frankly, baffled me – if the editors think a series isn't that great, why bother reprinting it, unless it's vital in some way? 2000 AD has such an embarrassment of riches that this shouldn't be a massive problem. (And I know that although some people will disagree over what's good and what isn't, objectivity can differentiate between, say, Harry 20 on the High Rock and Angel.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 December, 2019, 08:14:48 PM
I still think it's strange that in the Dredd collection we never had a Captain Skank story especially considering how much of the Dredd lore was taken up by the Apocalypse War and both its lead up (like Luna City) and it's ramifications like Orlok and Chaos Day.

Shako is one I have the trade in, and it is a fairly slim book.  It includes the story and an annual story which was basically an 'origins' story.  Still, it wasn't as thick as say the Jaegir book.  It is too thin to stand on its own and I can't see that theres something with a similiar theme to pair it with.  What about Leviathan?  Flesh complete is a sizeable book, not quite as thick as the Harlem Heroes/Inferno phonebook edition, but about the thickness of Nemesis phonebook 2.

The VC's would be nice in hardback, though there's quite a contrast in style between the original story and the 'Back in Action' era, but still worthwhile.

I remember the 1980 2000ad annual had a story about a WWII platoon and a captured german prisoner with a time machine, but I can't remember what it was called and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a holdover from the Starlord days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 08 December, 2019, 01:07:17 AM
that would be phantom patrol an old ipc story used a filler in the early days of the annual.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 December, 2019, 03:27:33 AM
Ah, thanks for that, I doubt that will be in the collection then, not that I'm complaining, but I remember the first few annuals were a bit variable in quality.

I've mentioned before that there was three Bill Savage books released by Rebellion, the original Invasion, Savage:Taking Liberties, and The Guv'nor.  However, the description in Wikipedia makes it plain that there is still stuff that has not been released in graphic novel form.  Does anyone know if its a sizeable amount.  Wiki makes it sound so, but that could depend on the person writing the entry.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 08 December, 2019, 09:22:42 AM
The most recent Savage series was Book 11.Taking Liberties and The Guv'nor collect 3 Books each, up to Book 6. So, only half (or just a little more) of the series has been collected so far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 December, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
Harlem Heroes + Inferno (which is the content of The Complete Harlem Heroes) is a really annoying length for these Hachette volumes.  Barney gives 112 and 183 as the page counts and based on past stats the Hachette volumes tend to be between 160-240. Inferno is just perfect for a volume but the initial story is too short to fill a volume by itself. They could split Inferno over 2 books as they did with Rage but that would leave them another half a volume to fill and whilst there is later material I get the impression it's not as highly regarded. A complete run would require 3 books and given the way the page counts split up into Hachette volumes it feels like this one is either all or nothing.

Mean Arena is another awkward fit with the initial run being too long for 1 book but not quite enough for 2. Potentially a pair of volumes I guess although again I get the impression the quality drops off as it goes on.

A completionist run of Flesh would need 3 volumes
1) Book1 & 2 + Annual stories
2) Legend Of Shamana, Chronocide, Hand Of Glory, Texas
3) Midnight Cowboys, Badlanders, Gorehead
The Dino Files volume (I'm presuming that's the one you were talking about Jade Falcon) clocks in at ~270 pages, omits Legend and Chronocide and stops at Texas. Anyone know why were Legend and Chronocide ommitted from the Dino Files? And is the more recent material (post Texas) any good?

Only thing I can see to pair Shako with would be to do a Creature Feature book - I guess there's Ant-Wars from around the same era although that doesn't seem to be vey highly rated.  Are there a good creature feature style stories from later eras it could be paired with?

VCs fits really nicely into 2 volumes - but you have to include the start of the later Abnett run in the first book to do so.

Looks like there's plenty of Ian Edington stand alone stuff to pair up with Leviathan.  A subset of { Helium, Interceptor, Detonator X, American Gothic } assuming there's a subset of that available to Hachette which is worth reprinting.  If they go with creator themed volumes then a Frazer Irving collection along the lines of the Storming Heaven trade would seem likely { Love Like Blood, Storming Heaven, From Grace, Future Shocks e.t.c }. And as discussed many times there's easily a couple of John Smith volumes along these lines collecting { Firekind, Cradlegrave, Leatherjack, Revere }.  Alternatively they could mix and match these stories based on themes in a similar way to the Mega Collection books.

My guess on Savage is that we're going to get the Taking Liberties stuff this summer in volume 63. At 192 pages that trade is the perfect size to convert directly into a Hachette volume. 3 more volumes in the extension would bring us right up to date as these fit nicely 3 books to a Volume. Although it's worth noting we'd need a book 12 to fill out the last volume or it'll be light on page count.

The recent Defoe run (The Divisor) means it'd probably need 3 books to collect it all now rather than 2. On the flip side the recent run of Brink means it'd be a perfect fit for 2 volumes (2 books each) - where before it was too much for 1.

Mambo looks to be about 152 pages so just about big enough for a standalone volume.

Tharg really does have his work cut out juggling all this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 December, 2019, 04:09:44 PM
Really enjoyed Invasion, a proper old-school Thrill that I don't think I've read all the way through before.

Quote from: sintec on 08 December, 2019, 03:22:39 PM

My guess on Savage is that we're going to get the Taking Liberties stuff this summer in volume 63. At 192 pages that trade is the perfect size to convert directly into a Hachette volume. 3 more volumes in the extension would bring us right up to date as these fit nicely 3 books to a Volume. Although it's worth noting we'd need a book 12 to fill out the last volume or it'll be light on page count.


The intro to Invasion states that the forthcoming Savage volume will reprint the first three books, so that covers the Taking Liberties volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 December, 2019, 04:54:23 PM
The later Savage books took a bit to get used to due to the contrast in style. The Volgans in Invasion were moustache twirling villains and Savage was way over the top, this isn't a criticism, just reflecting the style of the time. Taking Liberties and Guv'nor were a lot darker, like a certain scene that Savage does. I don't want to give spoilers for those who haven't read it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Apestrife on 09 December, 2019, 10:06:44 AM
Anyone got a spare Dark justice, or seen it in a fp store or such?

I cant find it for a resonable price on ebay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 December, 2019, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: sintec on 08 December, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
A completionist run of Flesh would need 3 volumes
1) Book1 & 2 + Annual stories
2) Legend Of Shamana, Chronocide, Hand Of Glory, Texas
3) Midnight Cowboys, Badlanders, Gorehead
Anyone know why were Legend and Chronocide ommitted from the Dino Files? And is the more recent material (post Texas) any good?

Trust me, there won't be a completionist run of Flesh! If it gets included in the UC, I predict one volume collecting Books I and II.

Quote from: sintec on 08 December, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
Anyone know why were Legend and Chronocide ommitted from the Dino Files?

Chronocide was not written by Pat Mills, thereby rubbing him up the wrong way. In any case, while not terrible, both stories are a bit 'B-grade' in the way of say, Rogue Trooper: The Hit and so, so much 90's material, without the retro/nostalgia factor that gives the early stuff a free pass.

Quote from: sintec on 08 December, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
And is the more recent material (post Texas) any good?

In a word? No.

In a few more words? Your own mileage may vary, of course; you may think it's the best thing ever when you read it. But it's all over the place tone-wise, and absolutely riddled with inconsistencies, plot-holes and just plain baffling story choices. By the time of 2013's Badlanders, the artist is clearly having issues with deadlines (or maybe the scripts) and the art quality visibly tanks, leading to his parting ways with the comic and Langley being drafted in to (sort of) finish things off in the last book. Worth checking out, but Ultimate Collection material? Nah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 December, 2019, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: sintec on 08 December, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
The recent Defoe run (The Divisor) means it'd probably need 3 books to collect it all now rather than 2.

I honestly don't think that's an issue; in that, if Defoe makes it into the extension (I'm praying it does!) the run by series co-creator Leigh Gallagher splits so perfectly into two three-book volumes that you'd not really feel the loss of the later material.*


*No comment on quality, just that we lose a bit of artistic coherency; jumping from Gallagher to Colin MacNeil's sepia wash to Moore's batshit-crazy delineations.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: gurnard on 09 December, 2019, 03:51:16 PM
The complete Red Seas would be nice. Don't know if that would fit volume wise?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 December, 2019, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: gurnard on 09 December, 2019, 03:51:16 PM
The complete Red Seas would be nice. Don't know if that would fit volume wise?

Someone worked out that you'd need approx. four volumes, which is a pretty big chunk of the extension...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 December, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
750 pages, according to the 2000 AD shop. So, yeah, that's a bursting-at-the-seams three volumes or – more likely – four. I'd be up for it being included, but there's no point in including Red Seas if we don't get the entire run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 December, 2019, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 December, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
750 pages, according to the 2000 AD shop. So, yeah, that's a bursting-at-the-seams three volumes or – more likely – four. I'd be up for it being included, but there's no point in including Red Seas if we don't get the entire run.

The collection has a bit of precedent for leaving out non-essential stories where there just isn't room (A Sorry Case, for instance, from the S/D volumes); so you could jettison Beautiful Freak and its time-travelling tortoise for a 45-page gain, and the remainder splits nicely across three volumes for an average 235-page count.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 09 December, 2019, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 December, 2019, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 December, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
750 pages, according to the 2000 AD shop. So, yeah, that's a bursting-at-the-seams three volumes or – more likely – four. I'd be up for it being included, but there's no point in including Red Seas if we don't get the entire run.

The collection has a bit of precedent for leaving out non-essential stories where there just isn't room (A Sorry Case, for instance, from the S/D volumes); so you could jettison Beautiful Freak and its time-travelling tortoise for a 45-page gain, and the remainder splits nicely across three volumes for an average 235-page count.

We also never had the S/D story from the, I think it was, 1981 annual, where Johnny and Wulf arrive in a frontier town which is under threat from a bunch of lizard/reptilian aliens, and one of the few who resists is an older woman.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 December, 2019, 03:26:08 AM
of course if we now get an new volume of stront maybe a sorry case could be slotted in?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 December, 2019, 08:40:55 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 09 December, 2019, 10:56:48 PM
We also never had the S/D story from the, I think it was, 1981 annual, where Johnny and Wulf arrive in a frontier town which is under threat from a bunch of lizard/reptilian aliens, and one of the few who resists is an older woman.

We didn't get any of the Annual stories not by Carlos, and to be honest that's fine by me!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 December, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
I thought it was a Carlos story but I freely admit I may be wrong as it's been so long since I read it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 December, 2019, 11:18:39 PM
Thanks for the nudge on those Dare volumes IndigoPrime. I'm just starting volume 2 and it's been cracking stuff so far ,very glad I picked them up. I could live without the annual stories which were all a bit meh but that's a minor quibble when the main feature is such high quality thrillpower.

Right now anything that gets us more Belardinelli in the extension gets my vote.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 13 December, 2019, 06:11:29 AM
any one had luck subscribing to the asterix collection?
if you click the link to subscribe now on the asterixultimatecollection webpages it doesn't take you a subscription page
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 14 December, 2019, 01:02:52 PM
Just had a delivery, 59 Hewligan's Haircut & 60 Invasion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 December, 2019, 01:27:57 PM
Yeah same here, pleasantly surprised as I wasn't expecting them so soon.

Just devoured Zaucer in preparation for his reapperance in the prog this week; it's all kinds of bonkers in the best possible way.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 16 December, 2019, 03:30:22 AM
Been reading Sooner Or Later, and after this election, having someone take the piss out of them was really what I needed. And their system's much better
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 18 December, 2019, 05:44:58 PM
I picked up the latest issue and once again the art on the spine is slightly off, this seems to be happening more and more these days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 December, 2019, 08:10:21 PM
Quote from: AlanProut on 18 December, 2019, 05:44:58 PM
I picked up the latest issue and once again the art on the spine is slightly off, this seems to be happening more and more these days.

Which issue are you considering latest, Invasion or vol 1 of Slaine Book of Invasions?
It's mildly ambiguous because many of us subscribers are a month or more behind the shops for "reasons" and only just got Invasion. I haven't even checked the spines line up for Invasion and Hewligan yet as I've not had a chance to read them (currently on holiday and decided to take novels rather than comics as it's more hours of reading for less weight).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 18 December, 2019, 11:01:17 PM
When I said the latest issue I was talking about Slaine: Books Of Invasions, volume 1. But the spine for my copy of Invasion was slightly wrong too, Hewligans Haircut was fine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2019, 02:55:49 PM
Just in from Hachette:

QuoteWe wanted to let you know that we are currently in the process of moving to a new customer care centre. We are aware that a large number of customers have recently become frustrated with our customer service and we have decided to appoint a new customer care company. We take our customer satisfaction very seriously and have made this decision to improve your customer experience.

The new email address for the
2000 AD The Ultimate Collection is:

help@2000adcollection.com

(Please note that the previous contact number and
email address are no longer in use)

Alternatively, if you would prefer to call the customer care team,
the new hotline number is:

0345 193 5020
(Local rates apply)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 December, 2019, 04:36:57 PM
Ahhh so they outsource their customer service, that explains why the people you speak to know fuck all about anything and don't seem to really give much of a fuck.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 December, 2019, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2019, 02:55:49 PM
Just in from Hachette:

QuoteWe wanted to let you know that we are currently in the process of moving to a new customer care centre. We are aware that a large number of customers have recently become frustrated with our customer service and we have decided to appoint a new customer care company. We take our customer satisfaction very seriously and have made this decision to improve your customer experience.

The new email address for the
2000 AD The Ultimate Collection is:

help@2000adcollection.com

(Please note that the previous contact number and
email address are no longer in use)

Alternatively, if you would prefer to call the customer care team,
the new hotline number is:

0345 193 5020
(Local rates apply)
RECENTLY!?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 20 December, 2019, 10:20:49 AM
I've been meaning to update my address so good timing with new contact team. Sent them an email yesterday and they said updated today.

Googled the company address and looks like they also do Customer Service for Eaglemoss.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 December, 2019, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: mitchuk on 20 December, 2019, 10:20:49 AM
I've been meaning to update my address so good timing with new contact team. Sent them an email yesterday and they said updated today.

Googled the company address and looks like they also do Customer Service for Eaglemoss.
My experience with Eaglemoss customer services is pretty good. Be prepared for long holds with Ed Sheran on the telephone though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Robes on 22 December, 2019, 12:40:40 PM
I don't know what is up with this collection but I haven't been charged since October and haven't had anything since no 50.  What is going on? To receive my last 8 copies I've had to badger them and got them in batches of 4. I had zero problems with the judge Dredd collection but this one has been constantly a problem.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 December, 2019, 09:57:51 AM
Thoughts on recent volumes:

Invasion started really strong, it got to be a bit repetative towards the middle but picked up again for the ending. Some of the reproduction felt overly heavy on the blacks - there were a few panels where nearly all the detail had been lost which was a shame. I'm guessing the original art is long gone and this is being reprinted from scans of earlier reprints and this was the best they could muster. Looking forwards to seeing where Pat takes this story when Savage returns in the summer.

Hewligan's Haircut on the other hand was a great change of pace from the other books in the collection. Sooner Or Later and Zaucer were the highlights for me; Swifty's Return felt like it just didn't quite live up high standard set by Sooner or Later and at times Hewligan seemed to be trying a little bit too hard to be wacky (loved the ending though). The art was great throughout though and really sold the bonkers story ideas. The only let down in this volume was the Future Shocks at the end which were all a bit meh. I wonder if we'll get the current run of Zaucer in one of the extension volumes? Are there some suitable bits it could be paired up with?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 29 December, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
Just looking on the Forbidden Planet website they have listed all the volumes upto 80
They are;
61; Slaine- book of invasion Vol1
62; Nikoli Dante vol 6
63; ADC Warriors Volgan Wars vol 2
64; Caballisics Inc vol 1
65; Strontium Dog Life & death of Johnny Alpha
66; Slaine Book of Invasion vol 2
67; Rogue Trooper vol 5
68; Ampney Crucis investigates
69; Nikoli Dante vol 7
70; Slaine book of Scars
71; Durham Red the Scarlet Cantos
72; All-Star Future Shocks
73; Slaine the Brutania Chronicles vol 1
74; Nikoli Dante vol 8
75; Savage
76; Sinister Dexter vol 3
77; Nikoli Dante vol 9
78; The Grevious Journey of Ichabod Azrael
79; Slaine the Brutania Chronicles vol 2
80; Cabalistics Inc vol 2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 30 December, 2019, 10:53:29 AM
Can someone with a better memory than mine recall if

71; Durham Red the Scarlet Cantos

is in fact, ALL of the Dan Abnett & Mark Harrison take on the future Durham?

That's a volume I've been waiting for since this project started.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 30 December, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
yup all three
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 30 December, 2019, 02:26:18 PM
Any chance we might get Stainless Steel Rat in the extension or is there too much of an issue with rights.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 30 December, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
Thanks Monarch. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 December, 2019, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 30 December, 2019, 02:26:18 PM
Any chance we might get Stainless Steel Rat in the extension or is there too much of an issue with rights.

So far we've not had anything in the Mega or Ultimate Collections where there were external rights which would need negotiating, I suspect the odds for this or say Dan Dare appearing in the extension are slim at best.

Cynically; why would they spend the extra on negotiating additional licensing for this stuff when there's plenty of other material they could reprint instead without that hassle?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 31 December, 2019, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: rogue69 on 29 December, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
Just looking on the Forbidden Planet website they have listed all the volumes upto 80
They are;
61; Slaine- book of invasion Vol1
62; Nikoli Dante vol 6
63; ADC Warriors Volgan Wars vol 2
64; Caballisics Inc vol 1
65; Strontium Dog Life & death of Johnny Alpha
66; Slaine Book of Invasion vol 2
67; Rogue Trooper vol 5
68; Ampney Crucis investigates
69; Nikoli Dante vol 7
70; Slaine book of Scars
71; Durham Red the Scarlet Cantos
72; All-Star Future Shocks
73; Slaine the Brutania Chronicles vol 1
74; Nikoli Dante vol 8
75; Savage
76; Sinister Dexter vol 3
77; Nikoli Dante vol 9
78; The Grevious Journey of Ichabod Azrael
79; Slaine the Brutania Chronicles vol 2
80; Cabalistics Inc vol 2

Thanks. Reminded me to place an order for Dante vol 6!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 January, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
I noticed that the reproduction of Invasion in some stories did seem a bit dark. One thing, I have the original Rebellion trade and it has the annual story with the raid on the Clifton Suspension Bridge, this is missing in the hardback.

Not sure on what's left on the original run. Not as many Slaine left as I dreaded but some of the other stuff is totally unknown.

Any ideas on the extension. Shako has been mentioned as a possible but it's a very slim book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 January, 2020, 09:55:00 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 01 January, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
I noticed that the reproduction of Invasion in some stories did seem a bit dark. One thing, I have the original Rebellion trade and it has the annual story with the raid on the Clifton Suspension Bridge, this is missing in the hardback.

How does the reproduction compare between the two?

Quote from: Jade Falcon on 01 January, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
Not sure on what's left on the original run. Not as many Slaine left as I dreaded but some of the other stuff is totally unknown.

I'm actually really excited for this last stretch there's a lot of really good titles on that list. Lots of Dante and I'm really looking forwards to Caballistics as the theme sounds right up my street.

Quote from: Jade Falcon on 01 January, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
Any ideas on the extension. Shako has been mentioned as a possible but it's a very slim book.

I'd love to see Shako but it'd need to be accompanied by either another long strip or several shorter strips. Given what we've seen in the past the volume would need some kind of loose theme, creature feature would seem the obvious way to make this work. Not sure what the other strip(s) woud be.

I think it's a fairly safe bet that we'll see the continuation of any series which aren't complete in the initial run (so 1-2 books of ABCs covering the Return arcs, 1 book of Stront, Dominion, Fall of Deadworld, Absalom, 1 more book of Savage seems likely not sure if we'll get the rest but it would seem to be a good contender).

I'd be surprised if we don't see 1-2 more Sinister Dexter books. Not knowing the material and given we're getting a curated collection it's hard to predict what we'll see and how many volumes it will require. It'll be interesting to see where volume 3 leaves us as that might offer some clues.

Then there're things we've had some of but which would require another series to be published in the prog in order to hit the page counts (Kingdom, Stickleback). Of course these could also be done using a different filler story to bump the page count if no further episodes appear in the interim. I think these are quite likely.

After that it's all guess work really. I'd be very surprised if we don't see at least 1 more strip from the comics early days probably 2 (VCs, Flesh, Fiends would be my top guesses as the page counts fit the format well). Something else in the Rogue Trooper universe feels quite likely (I'm hoping for a Jaegir volume), as does at least 1 more Dredd volume maybe more (although containing what is anyones guess). After that it's pure guess work; if I had to pick one thing I think it'd have to be Brink.

Given what we've seen so far I'm not expecting to see anything that would require external licensing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 January, 2020, 10:02:02 PM
If we don't see Firekind/Leatherjack, I might just cry.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 January, 2020, 10:33:29 PM
Jaegir is in the new IDW book showing Tharg's confidence in the strip. I think it's a likely contender, as is Brink for the same reason, although as I have all that strip in the prog I'd prefer something else. Early Grey Area?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 January, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
Jaegir is a rather thin book, but maybe a Jaegir/86ers volume.

The entire Flesh that's in trade just now is a fair size, more than one book but not enough for two.

As to Invasion, some stories seemed very heavy on the black but this seemed more of a thing in the stories from Prince John appearing onwards.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 January, 2020, 12:35:12 AM
I just want some john smith is that too much to ask
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 January, 2020, 08:46:36 AM
I didn't total things up as I was speculating last night.  Doing so this morning I realised that the list of "things that follow on from things in the initial run" would make for ~20 of our 30 books (assuming 3 books of Savage and 2 each for Dredd, ABCs, Sin Dex and Brink). That only leaves 10 other books and there are so many great titles I'd like to see included! Is it weird I'm already hoping for an extension to the extension?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 January, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: sintec on 02 January, 2020, 08:46:36 AM
I didn't total things up as I was speculating last night.  Doing so this morning I realised that the list of "things that follow on from things in the initial run" would make for ~20 of our 30 books (assuming 3 books of Savage and 2 each for Dredd, ABCs, SinDex and Brink).

How d'you work that out? I make 'things that follow on from things in the initial run' approximately 10 books -

1 – Absalom (Sick Leave – Terminal Diagnosis)
1 – Kingdom (As It Is In Heaven, Alpha & Omega)
1 - Strontium Dog (Stix Fix – The Son)
2 - ABC Warriors (Return to Earth, Return To Mars; Return to Ro-Busters, Fallout)
2 – Savage (The Guv'nor – Crims(4-6); Secret City – Grinders(7-9))
2 - Sinister Dexter
1 – Dark Judges (Dominion, Fall of Deadworld III, IV)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 January, 2020, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 02 January, 2020, 09:17:37 AM

How d'you work that out? I make 'things that follow on from things in the initial run' approximately 10 books -

1 – Absalom (Sick Leave – Terminal Diagnosis)
1 – Kingdom (As It Is In Heaven, Alpha & Omega)
1 - Strontium Dog (Stix Fix – The Son)
2 - ABC Warriors (Return to Earth, Return To Mars; Return to Ro-Busters, Fallout)
2 – Savage (The Guv'nor – Crims(4-6); Secret City – Grinders(7-9))
2 - Sinister Dexter
1 – Dark Judges (Dominion, Fall of Deadworld III, IV)

I had Savage down as 3 and I was counting 2 books for the Dark Judges material as I seem to recall the strip count looked too high for one (don't have my spreadsheet here at work so can't double check that).

I was also counting 2 books for Dredd and including 1 volume for post-Rogue material (i.e. Jaegir) as things that follow on.  Which is 5 more on top of your ten.

Then I compiled the rest of my guess work on top to get to 20:
2 Brink
2 Volumes of early material

But then I didn't reread what I'd written before hitting the post button so hadn't noticed I'd written "things that follow on from things in the initial run" which by that stage was disnegenuous. It should have said:
  15 books of "things that follow on from things in the initial run"
+ 2 "volumes of early material"
+ 2 "vols of Brink because I think it's a farily safe bet"
= 19

Not sure how I got 20 earlier (maybe I was counting 2 books for VCs?) I blame an early morning caffine deficit for the whole debacle.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 January, 2020, 07:51:44 AM
Dominion + Torture Garden is 160 pages of strip, we've had volumes with less.

Fall Of Deadworld: Home, Ava, Damned, Running Scared, Doomed, Sidney is about the same strip count ~160 and I get the feeling there might be more coming later this year.

That's why I went for 2 books for Dark Judges material rather than 1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 08 January, 2020, 11:58:02 AM
Latest Dante book dropped through the letter box this morning. Ordered from Forbidden Planet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 January, 2020, 12:04:28 PM
Damn it I got excited for a second there as I thought the subs were starting to land then I read the second half of your post.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: MumboJimbo on 08 January, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
A little off topic, but has anyone ever seen this for sale in an actual shop? I quite fancy the odd issue, but apart from the first few, I've never seen it sold at any branch of WH Smiths or Forbidden Planet.

The advert on the back of virtually every prog says "Ask for it at your local Newsagent" - is that irony? Do Newsagents exist any more? I mean, my local corner shop has a small shelf stocking newspapers and TV Quick, but I'm sure if I asked the bloke who runs it to reserve me a copy of "2000 AD The Ultimate Collection" he would probably think I was smoking something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 08 January, 2020, 02:20:14 PM
Quote from: MumboJimbo on 08 January, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
A little off topic, but has anyone ever seen this for sale in an actual shop? I quite fancy the odd issue, but apart from the first few, I've never seen it sold at any branch of WH Smiths or Forbidden Planet.

The advert on the back of virtually every prog says "Ask for it at your local Newsagent" - is that irony? Do Newsagents exist any more? I mean, my local corner shop has a small shelf stocking newspapers and TV Quick, but I'm sure if I asked the bloke who runs it to reserve me a copy of "2000 AD The Ultimate Collection" he would probably think I was smoking something.

Usually Newsagent will stock just the first couple of issues of a partwork to try & get people to order it via themselves.

It's very unlikely you'll find a newsagent regularly stocking individual issues of a partwork so you could cherrypick, but I'm sure most could order them in if you asked though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: djbawbag on 08 January, 2020, 05:01:04 PM
WH Smith in Argyll Street Glasgow usually gets a couple of copies.
Not seen it in any other branch though.

Also Forbidden Planet in Glasgow carries it too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 08 January, 2020, 06:25:32 PM
My local WHSmiths sometimes gets a copy and they have the Dante one in today. Last time I was in the London Forbidden Planet they appeared to have done away with all their 2000ad Ultimate Collection. There wasn't even any back issues on display which surprised me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 January, 2020, 08:59:43 PM
Happy to report my copy of Dante 6 was in my nerd shop when I visited today. 6 down 2 to go (I think) very exciting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 08 January, 2020, 10:02:20 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 08 January, 2020, 08:59:43 PM
Happy to report my copy of Dante 6 was in my nerd shop when I visited today. 6 down 2 to go (I think) very exciting.

Three more volumes according to the listings on Wikipedia. Next one in April and then June and July for the finale.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 09 January, 2020, 12:56:15 AM
I'm going to be down money, and I'm really wondering whether to cancel my subscription, but its this far into it.  It would depend on the extension perhaps, if we knew for certain how long and what it would consist of.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 January, 2020, 10:10:34 AM
All we really know at the moment is that it's planned to be 30 books taking us to 110 volumes. That's 15 extra deliveries so 1 year and 3 months worth.

There's been plenty of speculation about what it might contain but I don't think there's been anything officially announced yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 09 January, 2020, 10:50:11 AM
Really looking forward to seeing them announce what the extension consists of.

Have loved the collection thus far, for the majority of the titles. Hoping we see John Smith's fantastic work get a good few volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 January, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
So what is this week's book since the main site is still down.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 January, 2020, 01:10:47 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 14 January, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
So what is this week's book since the main site is still down.

The final ABC Warriors volume (Volgan War part 2).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: gurnard on 14 January, 2020, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: MumboJimbo on 08 January, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
A little off topic, but has anyone ever seen this for sale in an actual shop? I quite fancy the odd issue, but apart from the first few, I've never seen it sold at any branch of WH Smiths or Forbidden Planet.

The advert on the back of virtually every prog says "Ask for it at your local Newsagent" - is that irony? Do Newsagents exist any more? I mean, my local corner shop has a small shelf stocking newspapers and TV Quick, but I'm sure if I asked the bloke who runs it to reserve me a copy of "2000 AD The Ultimate Collection" he would probably think I was smoking something.

I pick up the ones I want from Forbidden Planet. You can pre-order in advance so you don't forget when they come out. Very happy with the service.

https://forbiddenplanet.com/catalog/?q=2000ad%20ultimate%20collection&page=1
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 14 January, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
Here in Dublin I have to hunt around a bit and try various Easons (Swords Pavillions and Liffey Valley most reliable of the suburban hubs), but I haven't actually been disappointed yet - and certainly wasn't with last week's excellent Dante volume. For some reason I had remembered all the cringier comedy/booby stories from this one, but not the terrifically dramatic ones that they break-up. Really enjoying the gradual re-read, although increasingly amused at what I read as Robbie's response to our "back from the dead" griping, as characters seem to restate the formal casualty list every few pages, and Dante himself goes as far as to say "When will the people I kill stay dead".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 January, 2020, 02:06:38 PM
I'm collecting the Dante books - last time I preordered and then forgot and also bought in store and ended up with two - couldn't remember if I'd preordered the latest so I waited ... nothing has arrived, so I hope (fingers crossed) it's still available from FP
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 14 January, 2020, 03:21:10 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 14 January, 2020, 01:10:47 PM

The final ABC Warriors volume (Volgan War part 2).

Final?  I doubt it with Mills' writing ....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 January, 2020, 03:55:09 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 14 January, 2020, 03:21:10 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 14 January, 2020, 01:10:47 PM

The final ABC Warriors volume (Volgan War part 2).

Final?  I doubt it with Mills' writing ....
I've asked on the FB page if they're gonna do more Warriors in the extension but am not holding my breath for a reply.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 January, 2020, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 14 January, 2020, 03:55:09 PM
I've asked on the FB page if they're gonna do more Warriors in the extension but am not holding my breath for a reply.

I'd be surprised if we don't see the Return to * stuff in the extension but it'd be nice to get that confirmed
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 15 January, 2020, 10:21:01 AM
The ABC Warriors volumes are the one group I've avoided reading so far - my only prior exposure to the strip was in the murky, co-written with Tony Skinner era, and it's not left a good taste in my memory. Is the series worth it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 January, 2020, 10:41:17 AM
Quote from: leethomson on 15 January, 2020, 10:21:01 AM
The ABC Warriors volumes are the one group I've avoided reading so far - my only prior exposure to the strip was in the murky, co-written with Tony Skinner era, and it's not left a good taste in my memory. Is the series worth it?

That's a hard one to answer - the tone changes so much across the decades!

The early Meknificent Seven (v1) era is old-school, juvenile, uncomplicated adventure in the style of Rogue Trooper and early Dredd. A bit clunky but a lot of fun.

Black Hole (v1-2) is sardonic, slinky, dark 80s 2000AD - witty and funny, lots of worldbuilding for Nemesis, lots of caption boxes and introspective first-person narration.

The Khaos/Tony Skinner era (v2-3) is polemic, preachy, a bit smug and pleased with itself but pretty gorgeous to look at, and also very funny.

The 'Henry Flint' era (v3-4, other artists were involved!) is quintessential early 2000s' Andy Diggle-era Tooth; fast-paced, tons of action, eyeball-searing artwork. The series puts down roots and starts working on some worldbuilding for itself, at last, which pays dividends.

Then the 'Clint Langley' era (v5-6, no other artists involved!) goes a bit 'wide-screen movie'; fewer panels, loads of splash pages, tons and tons of action; it also gets very introspective, with Mills going back and fine-tuning stories from earlier decades, filling gaps in the chronology or tweaking backstories. Very consistent but occasionally frustrating.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 15 January, 2020, 02:49:41 PM
Great summary - thanks!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2020, 12:08:51 PM
Aaargh, FP shop is saying Dante vol 6 is out of stock - does anyone have a spare for sale before I brave the eBay gougers?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 January, 2020, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2020, 12:08:51 PM
Aaargh, FP shop is saying Dante vol 6 is out of stock - does anyone have a spare for sale before I brave the eBay gougers?

Yeah, the availability window seems to be really short for these, even if you go via FP rather than Hachette. Once a new book is out you're probably unlikely to be able to grab the previous one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 January, 2020, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2020, 12:08:51 PM
Aaargh, FP shop is saying Dante vol 6 is out of stock - does anyone have a spare for sale before I brave the eBay gougers?

Sorry can't help but looking at eBay even there they seem to be ramping up. Cheapest I could see was £19.99 and not too many of those. They really are restricting the numbers it would seem and the popular issues are getting chased.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2020, 04:02:38 PM
There was one on ebay at £15 yesterday, but I'm going to pop into the actual shop on Saturday as they may still have one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 17 January, 2020, 10:23:54 AM
I really enjoyed ABC Warriors: The Volgan Wars Part 2, the story was fine but the artwork was fantastic just like in the first part, my issue itself was perfect, no mistakes on the spine art or the end papers, hopefully this will remain the same going forward.

As for the extension to the collection, I'd really like to see more from Kingdom and Stickleback, as for new additions any of the following would be good, Absalom, Defoe, Kingmaker, Survival Geeks and The Order.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 18 January, 2020, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2020, 12:08:51 PM
Aaargh, FP shop is saying Dante vol 6 is out of stock - does anyone have a spare for sale before I brave the eBay gougers?

FP Edinburgh had it in stock yesterday, for which I was very grateful - have only been buying the Dantes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 January, 2020, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2020, 04:02:38 PM
There was one on ebay at £15 yesterday, but I'm going to pop into the actual shop on Saturday as they may still have one.

Ah buggeration - there were none in the shop, so I just ordered one for nearly £24 on ebay - then went back to FP website to preorder the rest and lo and behold - they must have found some down the back of the sofa, 'cos it's available at £11. I've contacted the seller, so can hopefully cancel. Very annoying
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 January, 2020, 09:41:56 PM
phew all is good - the ebay seller refunded, vol.6 on it's way and vols 7-9 on pre-order.

I love me a bit of Dante (and I like how although the releases are out of order, the volumes are consecutive spine-wise, so I get a 9 book section of the full image).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 January, 2020, 01:17:24 AM
An extension I would like Leviathan, maybe Fiends of the Eastern Front, certainly if there was more Dredd I think Captain Skank should be there, it was puzzling how it wasn't part of the Dredd collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 January, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
New upcoming covers
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(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/gj5qRCkU-4lzk74qw4OruWiS01o=/trim/fit-in/600x600/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/51/af/174577c8b63aa062ef49908908d7cd9bd585.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 January, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
Looks like Durham Red was shopping in Camden in the late 90s and probably spent her evenings in a dark corner of the Slimelight
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 January, 2020, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 20 January, 2020, 01:17:24 AM
An extension I would like Leviathan, maybe Fiends of the Eastern Front, certainly if there was more Dredd I think Captain Skank should be there, it was puzzling how it wasn't part of the Dredd collection.

Well I don't really know where Pirates of the Black Atlantic would fit, at this point - but there's certainly a lot of scope for more Dredd volumes. Can you believe Block Judge, Serial Serial and Ladykiller have never been reprinted?! It'd also be great to have a Harvey/Machine Law/Guatemala volume, and one collecting the remaining Rob Williams Enceladus/Small House stuff.

And that's just Dredd - in terms of Dreddworld, there's loads more potential books!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 20 January, 2020, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 January, 2020, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 20 January, 2020, 01:17:24 AM
An extension I would like Leviathan, maybe Fiends of the Eastern Front, certainly if there was more Dredd I think Captain Skank should be there, it was puzzling how it wasn't part of the Dredd collection.

Well I don't really know where Pirates of the Black Atlantic would fit, at this point - but there's certainly a lot of scope for more Dredd volumes. Can you believe Block Judge, Serial Serial and Ladykiller have never been reprinted?! It'd also be great to have a Harvey/Machine Law/Guatemala volume, and one collecting the remaining Rob Williams Enceladus/Small House stuff.

And that's just Dredd - in terms of Dreddworld, there's loads more potential books!

The Harvey / Machine Law collection would be ace if it comes to pass. Really loved the whole storyline.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 23 January, 2020, 06:53:41 PM
Spoke to hatchette customer service apparently issue 61 and 62 will be about two weeks before delivery due to a warehouse move... Hmm the company that keeps giving bad customer service, at least I managed to speak to someone who actually understood me
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2020, 10:43:52 PM
I did wonder why it was late. Funny that they've already charged me for it, three weeks ago...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 January, 2020, 11:26:29 AM
Ahh good so subscribers will be what 4 issues behind by that point -sigh-

It's such a shame they keep messing the subscriptions up, everything else about the series has been great. It's just frustrating to constantly be behind those cherry-picking from the shops. Really looking forward to Caballistics too - might have to speak to customer service and see if I can do a double order next month to resync (I seem to recall others managing this in the past).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2020, 12:01:18 PM
Just got an email, noting delays to deliveries. Natch, it's branded Warhammer 40,000: Legends Collection, because Hachette are goons.

As for four issues behind – at least. I have a tracking doc, based on resubscribing on issue 31/32. According to that, I should receive 65/66 next Friday. (My most recent delivery was 59/60 on 14 Dec, which should have arrived on 8 Nov.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Boswell on 24 January, 2020, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2020, 12:01:18 PM
Just got an email, noting delays to deliveries. Natch, it's branded Warhammer 40,000: Legends Collection, because Hachette are goons.

Yep, I just got the same confusing Warhammer email.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2020, 12:33:55 PM
And now I have a 2000 AD one. Anyway, this is the important bit:

"We expect the delays to continue until the end of February, however, please be assured that your overdue copies will reach you in due course and from March onwards your deliveries should be back on track with the original schedule."

I... won't hold my breath regarding a return to the original schedule, since that was promised several times, and now Hachette whenever I ask about schedules claims my account is on schedule, when it's slipped around five weeks. (The start of 2019 was the big cock-up – 56 days between deliveries.)

EDIT

Also, note:

Rebellion: Sorry one issue of 2000 AD rocked up really late. We messed that up. Here, have a 50% voucher off of almost everything on our entire online store!

Hachette: Whatev. You'll get your bloody books eventually. Probably.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Robes on 24 January, 2020, 12:39:16 PM
I have both those emails too, the last issue I received was 53 and I've badgered them for that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 24 January, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
I get the ultimate collection via my newsagents and it is sometimes a week late but never more than that. I can't understand why it's so much worse for subscribers when Haccette are clearly able to send the issues to shops.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 January, 2020, 04:54:53 PM
It's been obvious for some time that the shops are being prioritised over subscribers.  Which seems like madness given Hachette's business model but there you go.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2020, 05:15:04 PM
They keep saying they don't have stock, which is nuts when the stores do.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 January, 2020, 11:04:30 PM
Well from the facebook it sounds like the next book is going to be late hitting the shops too.

I don't doubt it'll still hit the shops before I see my subscription copy but that's been the case for months now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 29 January, 2020, 12:17:10 AM
I've picked up Caballistics Inc from my local comic shop (who orders it for me) today. Number 64, I think. Haven't looked at it yet. Not sure if I'm ahead or behind or whatever but it generally seems to have been on schedule every fortnight.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 29 January, 2020, 10:15:26 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 29 January, 2020, 12:17:10 AM
I've picked up Caballistics Inc from my local comic shop (who orders it for me) today. Number 64, I think. Haven't looked at it yet. Not sure if I'm ahead or behind or whatever but it generally seems to have been on schedule every fortnight.

According to the wiki its got a release date of today so you're spot on.

Certainly better than me as a subscriber, my last books were in December, 59/60 (release date 4/12/19)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 January, 2020, 11:48:35 AM
You are a lucky man sir - if I lived near a decent comics shop I would probably do the same at this point it seems like the best way to get a trouble free service from Hachette.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 29 January, 2020, 01:42:46 PM
For what it's worth -

Phoned Hachette this morning on the 2000AD number and got through very quickly. Asked for some answers to a few questions and queries I've got, and seen from others.

- Their warehouse is moving, with "Hachette telling us they hope to have completed the move by the end of February"
- There will likely be some delay for subscribers receiving their deliveries, in particular the January dispatch.
- Back issue ordering is unavailable until the warehouse move is complete.
- They are experiencing a lot of complaints and contacts at present. Customer service is outsourced and Hachette have recently changed their CS provider. She had a weary chuckle when I asked about volume of work.
- I stressed that she pass on my suggestion that Hachette communicate any and all issues to subscribers especially given the pressure on customer service. I (vainly, I think) offered to speak to a Hachette representative directly.
- She suggested phone is the best of all methods to contact them.

Hope that helps. So frustrating - the product is excellent, in my opinion, but aftercare is abysmal and so easily mitigated. Baffling any business doesn't see aftercare as an essential.   
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2020, 03:13:04 PM
I just got a reply on Facebook about this, stating that the delays should be done end of Feb, scheduling should return to normal in March, and that overdue issues will be sent "as soon as possible". The last of those is frustratingly non-committal, but I've just asked about what the second point actually means.

Since I resubscribed, this is the third major delay, and so I've asked whether returning to the original schedule is back to four-weekly deliveries, or if it means they'll honour the previous schedule. (By my reckoning, 65/66 should have arrived on Friday, on the basis of my original subscription point. It's irritating being five weeks behind. If that turns into something like three months, that's just ludicrous.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 January, 2020, 03:20:42 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2020, 03:13:04 PM
I just got a reply on Facebook about this, stating that the delays should be done end of Feb, scheduling should return to normal in March, and that overdue issues will be sent "as soon as possible". The last of those is frustratingly non-committal, but I've just asked about what the second point actually means.

Since I resubscribed, this is the third major delay, and so I've asked whether returning to the original schedule is back to four-weekly deliveries, or if it means they'll honour the previous schedule. (By my reckoning, 65/66 should have arrived on Friday, on the basis of my original subscription point. It's irritating being five weeks behind. If that turns into something like three months, that's just ludicrous.)

Guess it depends whether they're continuing to collect payments. If that's the case they will have to honour, yes?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2020, 03:35:35 PM
They have to honour supply. I doubt they have to honour within a specific timeframe (although it should be a reasonable one). As it is, I had a payment taken over three weeks ago for the issues caught in the delay (and some kind of letter, which had better not be for a covers volume I don't want).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 January, 2020, 04:04:08 PM
The letter is almost certainly for the covers vol.  I think they said to someone else on FB you can contact them there to opt out of the next covers volume so I'd do that if you want to avoid it.

What's in the Caballistics volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 29 January, 2020, 07:45:09 PM
I've just finished reading Caballistics Inc volume one and have to say that I'm very impressed with this one, it's a series I haven't read before but am looking forward to the next Volume.

It includes the following, Going Underground, Moving In, Breaking Out, Downtime, Krystalnacht, Picking Up The Pieces, Creepshow, Weird War Tales and Safe House.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 29 January, 2020, 08:15:57 PM
They replied to me about the opt out letter, apparently you can message them and they will opt up you out but take that with a pinch of salt if people's past experience is to go by
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 30 January, 2020, 02:21:24 AM
thats almost the entire run how much absalom are we getting in book 2?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 09:31:19 AM
61/62 arrived today in – and I'm not kidding – an open plastic bag. Great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 30 January, 2020, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 09:31:19 AM
61/62 arrived today in – and I'm not kidding – an open plastic bag. Great.

Perfect weather for it if they leave it on my doorstep!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 09:59:50 AM
When it came through the letterbox, my immediate response was that I had no idea what it was. Then I felt what seemed to be books. Still didn't twig. My only thought was "what fucking idiot would send hardback books in this kind of packaging?" I guess in hindsight the answer should have been obvious.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 January, 2020, 10:05:37 AM
No chance they're un-dinged I suppose?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 10:14:31 AM
I've had worse, but they're certainly not pristine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 30 January, 2020, 10:38:44 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 09:59:50 AM
When it came through the letterbox, my immediate response was that I had no idea what it was. Then I felt what seemed to be books. Still didn't twig. My only thought was "what fucking idiot would send hardback books in this kind of packaging?" I guess in hindsight the answer should have been obvious.

Grim. I really don't get Hachette at all. Top quality product, for the most part, horrendous after service and continued delays. They really want me to cancel and just buy them off the shelf!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 30 January, 2020, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 30 January, 2020, 02:21:24 AM
thats almost the entire run how much absalom are we getting in book 2?
Can't really see getting any Absalom to bulk up volume 2. Maybe Necronauts?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 January, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 30 January, 2020, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 30 January, 2020, 02:21:24 AM
thats almost the entire run how much absalom are we getting in book 2?
Can't really see getting any Absalom to bulk up volume 2. Maybe Necronauts?

Pretty sure it was confirmed sometime back that we'd be getting some Absalom stories to round out the 2nd cabs book - this is the best I can find now and I can't be arsed to try and trawl the whingefest that is the FB group to see if it was ever mentioned there.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Matt very specifically said the complete Nikolai Dante. Also, a complete collection of Cabballistics, with a bit of Absalom thrown in to round out the page count. Plus, a complete collection of the Abnett/Harrison Durham Red in three (I think) volumes, which I'm sure will look amazing in a hardcover on decent paper.

And that does leave the perfect amount of Absalom for a follow up volume in the extension - I think that one is a a pretty safe bet tbh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: Rately on 30 January, 2020, 10:38:44 AMGrim. I really don't get Hachette at all. Top quality product, for the most part, horrendous after service and continued delays. They really want me to cancel and just buy them off the shelf!
I'm increasingly tempted to cancel and buy direct from FP, despite the additional costs. The one thing Hachette has at least done reasonably well is replaced damaged issues; that said, the sheer number of damaged issues I've received has been way beyond what you'd expect. Bonkers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 30 January, 2020, 12:45:07 PM
61/62 just came, as others have said in a bag instead of the usual cardboard but amusingly it says fragile please handle with care, despite them clearly not giving a toss.

The Slaine book is all smashed up at the top. Wish me luck getting a replacement.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 January, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
Yeah easy replacements for misprints is the disadvantage of forbidden planet. I doubt you'd've been able to get the reissue of #1 that way. But the books always come in serious sleeves or boxes with plenty of padding.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 30 January, 2020, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: Rately on 30 January, 2020, 10:38:44 AMGrim. I really don't get Hachette at all. Top quality product, for the most part, horrendous after service and continued delays. They really want me to cancel and just buy them off the shelf!
I'm increasingly tempted to cancel and buy direct from FP, despite the additional costs. The one thing Hachette has at least done reasonably well is replaced damaged issues; that said, the sheer number of damaged issues I've received has been way beyond what you'd expect. Bonkers.

Dreading this delivery, and the inevitable climb up a mountain to get them to send replacement/s!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 01:25:56 PM
Given the delays, we should receive replacements by 2029. Possibly 2028.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 30 January, 2020, 01:41:57 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2020, 03:13:04 PM
(By my reckoning, 65/66 should have arrived on Friday, on the basis of my original subscription point. It's irritating being five weeks behind. If that turns into something like three months, that's just ludicrous.)

I just don't know why you think that, when Wikipedia has the on-sale date of 66 as 26th February. You're asking to be nearly a whole month early?

And the payment dates on the Hachette site are always backdated about 2 weeks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 02:23:10 PM
Because that's how these things started off. You subscribed and you got the books prior to them going on sale – or around the time the second book went on sale. I received 31 and 32 on 12 October – 12 days before the on-sale date of 31. The next two deliveries arrived like clockwork, 28 days apart – and the same had largely been true for Dredd, and my early 2000 AD: TUC subscription (although I don't have dates for them). This is, note, entirely normal for subscriptions of any stripe.

Something then happened over 2018's winter holidays, and my next delivery wasn't for 56 days. At that point, 37/38 arrived two days after the second of those issues had already gone on sale. There have since that point been two more major delays. So 61/62, which arrived today, have shown up:

1. 47 days after my previous delivery (on a subscription with a 28-day schedule)
2. Nearly eight weeks after the tracked forward date from 31/32
3. Two weeks after the second of those issues went off sale in stores
4. One day after the second of the next set went on sale

As for payments, in the past they've indicated the books would land about two weeks later, yes – not four weeks later (and in a plastic bag).

Ultimately, it doesn't matter that much. But the inconsistency of the customer service means I'm never quite sure when to expect my books. And because of that, I have to spend time getting customer service to confirm whether or not anything's actually been sent. (45/46 never showed up, for example. But at the time, I had no idea whether they were just late, or if they'd been lost. In the end, they were sent along with 47/48, in a big box with no protection/padding, because Hachette.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 30 January, 2020, 03:23:18 PM
I can tell from my Wikipedia edits this has never happened to me, the last one I did was about 2 weeks after the on-sale date. And I've been subscribed since day 1
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 30 January, 2020, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: sintec on 30 January, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 30 January, 2020, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 30 January, 2020, 02:21:24 AM
thats almost the entire run how much absalom are we getting in book 2?
Can't really see getting any Absalom to bulk up volume 2. Maybe Necronauts?

Pretty sure it was confirmed sometime back that we'd be getting some Absalom stories to round out the 2nd cabs book - this is the best I can find now and I can't be arsed to try and trawl the whingefest that is the FB group to see if it was ever mentioned there.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Matt very specifically said the complete Nikolai Dante. Also, a complete collection of Cabballistics, with a bit of Absalom thrown in to round out the page count. Plus, a complete collection of the Abnett/Harrison Durham Red in three (I think) volumes, which I'm sure will look amazing in a hardcover on decent paper.

And that does leave the perfect amount of Absalom for a follow up volume in the extension - I think that one is a a pretty safe bet tbh.

Hmmm. I haven't read either. Do I buy volume 1 and wait for volume 2 with added Absalom? Or do I just get the complete Canabalitics from Amazon in one go? £13.99 for 300 pages is very tempting!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 06:44:00 PM
athorist: lucky you. But their support page is littered with people who have major problems getting these books. My experience isn't unique.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 30 January, 2020, 08:57:51 PM
Yeah, got mine today in a black plastic bag. Luckily the books themselves were okay but there was no opt-out letter. Not really an issue as I was gonna get the special anyway but not great for anyone that doesn't check their online account regularly. Hopefully the bags aren't a permanent thing, a lot less eco-friendly and the cardboard boxes were pretty good for things like eBay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 31 January, 2020, 12:29:18 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 January, 2020, 06:44:00 PM
athorist: lucky you. But their support page is littered with people who have major problems getting these books. My experience isn't unique.

I'm literally saying I've  been getting the books far later than you ever have, and you tell me I'm lucky?

I don't think I've ever gotten a book before the on-sale date, and at one point last year we were all a month behind
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 January, 2020, 08:09:04 AM
I thought you meant all of the crap hadn't happened to you. Regardless, Hachette's way of dealing with subs is baffling. No other publisher I've ever dealt with has been this shoddy. Even Titian's mess with the Doctor Who compilation for UK newsstands has been superior – and being worse than that takes some serious effort.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 31 January, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
black plastic bag. Mashed corners on my Dante. Mail sent to Hachette. How long do they usually take to reply ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 January, 2020, 12:43:37 PM
Email? No idea. Messenger is usually a better bet – under a week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 31 January, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
Theur beloved black plastic bag does delicate frames of miniature space soldiers no favours either.

I think my Warhammer partwork sub has settled into a steady 6 weeks behind shelf date at this point. This suits me fine, TBH, as I have a huge backlog of hobbying to get through, and Hachette do occasionally send me apologies, but it is an odd way to reward the subscription base that their business model depends on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 31 January, 2020, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 January, 2020, 12:43:37 PM
Email? No idea. Messenger is usually a better bet – under a week.

I called them this week, and the agent suggested phone was the quickest route these days, as they have changed CS provider.  Messenger used to be the quickest, no doubt, but I've got a query parked in there for over a fortnight now. 

Customer Service contract for Hachette.  Thankless. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 31 January, 2020, 05:41:01 PM
As a postman I get to see how Hachette send out parcels and it doesn't make me want to order anything from them. It's all in the flimsiest packaging possible.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 31 January, 2020, 07:03:47 PM
Quote from: Colin Zeal on 31 January, 2020, 05:41:01 PM
As a postman I get to see how Hachette send out parcels and it doesn't make me want to order anything from them. It's all in the flimsiest packaging possible.

I never had any problems with the cardboard sleeves they used, but these plastic bags are insane. Any amount they're saving on postage must be more than offset by the amount of replacement books they'll have to send out every month.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 January, 2020, 07:39:59 PM
It's variable. The standard card packages have been fine. The ones that temporarily replaced them – snug; precisely form-fitting; no extra card at the ends – were a disaster, because they didn't protect the corners. Anything sent out that's over two books is usually shipped in a massive cardboard box. I ordered ten Transformers books once. They had to re-ship four, and provide another one because they got a volume wrong.

The latest plastic thing takes the biscuit though. It must be a temporary thing, surely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Gary James on 31 January, 2020, 08:27:22 PM
Not sure if it is all still correct, but their contact info is... extensive (https://hachettepartworks.com/home/contact). I'm not sure if this is encouraging - that they see their shitty service in the past needs rectified - or if it is depressing - the volume of complaints was too much for one person to handle.

Don't those phone numbers look tempting? I mean, they must want you to call them with your problems. Go on then...  :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 January, 2020, 08:56:43 PM
It is amazing that a company whose core business model is "post things to people regularly" can be so crap at posting things to people on a regular schedule.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 February, 2020, 07:34:26 PM
Give WH Smith's their due, only had problems once and that was one of the more recent Slaine books but a lot of people had problems with that one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 01 February, 2020, 08:20:22 PM
Just received the most recent delivery for me (Slaine and Stront - no idea how behind I am!) and they were in the recyclable bag. *Slight* corner damage, but nothing I care about.

Just to ask, but are squished corners really such a problem? If you're planning to re-sell them then definately, but for the completionist who will never sell them (myself *cough*) is it really such a big deal?

Sorry if this seems a bit blase, I'm just curious as to others feelings on this....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Gary James on 01 February, 2020, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 01 February, 2020, 08:20:22 PM
Just to ask, but are squished corners really such a problem?
There's no correct answer to that - each to their own. You know that Denis Gifford had stored old (and unimaginable elusive) comics in his oven, right? Hell, I've got comics stashed in precariously balanced towers of cardboard boxes without being individually bagged (mostly as doing so would likely bankrupt me), so a few dents and creases aren't anything to lose sleep over. Even crosswords that have been filled in by a previous owner don't deter me, but others might (and probably will) disagree vehemently.

However, if you intend to sell them on later, then yes - they really ought to be in pristine condition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 02 February, 2020, 07:45:04 AM
Quote from: Woolly on 01 February, 2020, 08:20:22 PM
Just received the most recent delivery for me (Slaine and Stront - no idea how behind I am!) and they were in the recyclable bag. *Slight* corner damage, but nothing I care about.

Just to ask, but are squished corners really such a problem? If you're planning to re-sell them then definately, but for the completionist who will never sell them (myself *cough*) is it really such a big deal?

Sorry if this seems a bit blase, I'm just curious as to others feelings on this....

Never complained about squished corners as many of mine have come like that, but my copy of 61 is smashed up at the top to the point that the front & back are coming away, so I've understandably asked for a replacement.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 February, 2020, 09:57:28 AM
Are they a problem? Technically, no. Even when the corners are smashed to the point pages are dented, the book remains usable and readable. But you are buying a product that you expect to arrive in as-new condition. Would you be fine with other non-consumable products arriving with damage, such as clothes?

I don't ask for replacements every time, but my latest two books have corner damage and dents across the top. Also, companies only learn when confronted with complaints. Books like this should never be mailed without at least some protection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Robes on 03 February, 2020, 06:44:55 PM
Finally received some issues after about half a year!  54 and 55, plus an email today specifically about customers in Ireland experiencing delays. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 04 February, 2020, 08:50:16 AM
Finally got to sit down and open the dreadful black plastic bag.

One of the books was unscathed, but the other one has two horrible dents in it, near the top of the front cover. Noticeable, and, as applies to most collectors, it makes me wince when I now look at the book.

In two minds as to whether I can be arsed with wasting  more hours and minutes of my life trying to source the replacement.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 February, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
Well the fact is, you're paying full RRP for it, if you saw one in a bookshop or even a charity shop you'd expect it cheaper in that condition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 February, 2020, 01:42:22 PM
Whilst Book Of Invasions is a huge improvement on where Slaine had got to over the previous couple of books it's still not quite back to top form. Until we get to Tara and the Earth Goddess appears the female characters all mostly seem to exist so that the male leads can save them or avenge them.  Maybe this hasn't aged well and it didn't come across quite so meh at the time but compared to the pro-feminist narrative of Horned God this feels somewhat regressive.

The art is bloody amazing though. The Fomorians look horrific and the battles are epic. As eye candy goes it's got it all, including a plentiful supply of T&A.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 05 February, 2020, 08:06:11 PM
There's soooo much Slaine, it's far from being a breezy read as well. I dunno when I'll actually catch up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 06 February, 2020, 09:11:36 AM
I might be barking up the wrong tree, but I've started a conversation with the head of the customer service company that Hachette has outsourced to.  I've spelled out all of the various issues that subscribers are dealing with, to the best of my knowledge, in the hope that either they deal with them themselves, or better yet, pass me onto someone at Hachette, and I can try and talk to them there.  There are loads of problems, obviously, but for me, the main one has been the poor communication of issues.  When people are left in the dark, then they are left to get understandably frustrated.  This new CS firm is a good step forward, so hopefully things may well improve. 

Hope springs eternal for this naive fool...

Will report back.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 February, 2020, 09:13:50 AM
Quote from: sintec on 05 February, 2020, 01:42:22 PM
Whilst Book Of Invasions is a huge improvement on where Slaine had got to over the previous couple of books it's still not quite back to top form. Until we get to Tara and the Earth Goddess appears the female characters all mostly seem to exist so that the male leads can save them or avenge them.  Maybe this hasn't aged well and it didn't come across quite so meh at the time but compared to the pro-feminist narrative of Horned God this feels somewhat regressive.

Which BoI volume is that? The first? What stories does it actually contain...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 February, 2020, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 February, 2020, 09:13:50 AM
Which BoI volume is that? The first? What stories does it actually contain...?

It is BoI vol 1; it contains: Moloch, Golamh, Scota, Tara
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 07 February, 2020, 09:14:18 PM
I've seen lots of people complaining about not getting any response to messages but I sent a message via FB messenger on Saturday (1st Feb) about one of the books in latest delivery being damaged (due to being delivered in a plastic bag) & received a reply on Wednesday (5th Feb) to say they're arranging a replacement. Whether a replacement actually arrives is another thing but I've found them to be generally fine the 5 or so times I've needed to contact them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 February, 2020, 05:21:37 PM
Dante just goes from strength to strength as the pirate arc concludes and Dante returns to the political arena. Lovely mix of humour and tragedy across some of the shorter stories in the volume whilst the longer tales worked at pushing the larger story forwards. Can't wait for the next one, looks like it was due in April no idea what that means for subscribers now.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 08 February, 2020, 06:46:07 PM
Probably September at this rate
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 08 February, 2020, 07:12:32 PM
oh to not know where dante goes [spoiler]so i can be surprised by the turn it takes all over again [/spoiler]:lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 09 February, 2020, 05:32:52 PM
Really enjoyed Caballistics, missed out on it first time round during my wilderness years. Great atmospheric art from Dom Reardon, and loved the references to Doctor Who, Quatermass etc. Roll on volume 2.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 10 February, 2020, 02:33:25 PM
Doesn't really matter to me as I want the 4th Specials Book, but did anyone actually get an opt out letter with the last delivery?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 February, 2020, 02:39:21 PM
I didn't get one in my bin bag, no. Got a response on FB. They added: "We have not got any control over packing unfortunately." (Which is true – this is the customer service lot, and it's been outsourced.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 February, 2020, 07:12:14 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to find that the warehousing is also outsourced tbh - it would explain the lack of "giving a fuck" in evidence.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 February, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
You will be pleased to hear that Transformers Partwork customers got their latest delivery in cardboard not black plastic. Sadly it was an envelope not a sleeve. So things are improving but somehow still not good.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 11 February, 2020, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: dossa1uk on 06 February, 2020, 09:11:36 AM
I might be barking up the wrong tree, but I've started a conversation with the head of the customer service company that Hachette has outsourced to.  I've spelled out all of the various issues that subscribers are dealing with, to the best of my knowledge, in the hope that either they deal with them themselves, or better yet, pass me onto someone at Hachette, and I can try and talk to them there.  There are loads of problems, obviously, but for me, the main one has been the poor communication of issues.  When people are left in the dark, then they are left to get understandably frustrated.  This new CS firm is a good step forward, so hopefully things may well improve. 

Hope springs eternal for this naive fool...

Will report back.

As promised, have received some feedback from the head of the (outsourced) customer service.  In answer to areas of concern I raised, the responses were as follows (I've paraphrased the to and fro) -

CUSTOMER SERVICE - they are aware of the issue, and have deployed additional staff on all bases to cover queries. 
SHOPS RECEIVING THEIR DELIVERIES FIRST - disputes that this is the norm, and suggests the only instances where customers are experiencing this are due to payment problems or admin issues that "push back" the delivery cycle.
DELIVERY STANDARDS - we had a bit of a debate over this.  He suggests that there is a cost versus reward argument regarding "how far" they should go with delivery packaging against the amount of problems that are raised.  My argument was the problem would be more than just those raising complaints, as many customers are cancelling subscriptions because of this over everything else, and Hachette need to understand the risk to their product(s).  I stressed how badly the "bin bags" were for the job, and he said he would continue to report back to Hachette.  (Bear in mind, this is an outsourced company, so there will be a limit to what they can do.  He did stress that any damages are swiftly replaced, though)
CUSTOMER SERVICE - I suggested that better communication of potential problems would be well-received, which he said he would pass on.  My argument is "knowing about a problem is better than guessing" even if the problem is a serious one.

He also stressed that the warehouse move is nearly finished, and "we will improve".  My feeling is that customer service has improved, and that they are definitely talking to Hachette about the issues.  Here's hoping. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2020, 11:55:20 AM
Perhaps worth passing on, if you've not already made these points:

Shops receiving deliveries first might be "the norm" with partworks, but it's very unusual for subscriptions (only one I've had – with Titan – has done the same), and this also doesn't explain how quite a few people's subscriptions have slipped over time. At the very least, there should be consistency: deliveries every 28 days +/- perhaps five working days. On average, you should get a delivery every four weeks.

Delivery standards: I agree there's a cost versus reward argument, but I have literally never had a professional organisation ship collectable hardbacks in a plastic bag. I mean, come on. Hachette has so far had three packaging types for this collection:

- Card sleeve that offered extra protection at the top/bottom. With those, damages were almost zero for me.
- Card sleeve that was almost the exact size of the books; prone to corner crush when dropped by carriers.
- Plastic bag, offering no protection at all. I wouldn't accept this from an eBay purchase, let alone a professional organisation.

Honestly, if Hachette now has that level of 'problem' with packaging, nuts to it. I'll cancel my subscription again and order through FPI.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 11 February, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
In their defence - or rather that of their CS provider - I think they are abundantly aware of the issue with the bin bags! He didn't commit but I got the impression this was understandably under review.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2020, 02:35:05 PM
It is quite staggering. Hachette's long had a burning fire online, in the shape of inconsistent delivery and poor customer service. Now, the partwork feeds on social are full of people complaining about books being sent in big bags. It's a wonder they get any new customers.

It's just so dumb. It smacks of "these items you're buying have no value" and/or "we don't really give a shit about this stuff". Never again after this partwork ends – I don't care what Hachette releases in the future.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 11 February, 2020, 02:41:07 PM
I agree. I made the initial point to them to "just read the replies to *any* post on social" and that's just from my perspective of following the 2000AD stuff. Can't imagine it's limited to just this collection either.

Anyway - this chap I spoke to seems on the ball, so can only hope the message is getting through. Like I kept saying - the product is excellent, once you actually get hold of it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 11 February, 2020, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2020, 02:35:05 PM
It's just so dumb. It smacks of "these items you're buying have no value" and/or "we don't really give a shit about this stuff". Never again after this partwork ends – I don't care what Hachette releases in the future.

TBH that is one thing that partworks and cars share in common.  The nosedive in value is precipitous to say the least.  What Hachette seem to be doing takes it to a whole new level though.  To say that I don't regret signing up after the JD collection is a bit of an understatement.  My condolences though to those who did ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2020, 03:59:57 PM
I don't regret signing up. The books are good. What irks is how frustrating the entire thing is, to keep track of what you're owed, and when it should show up. Also, I'm a stickler for the condition of what I'm sent, but I also dislike the waste involved in sending out replacements. But then replacements should be a rarity, not a regular fixture. (Wordery also have this problem, albeit to a lesser degree. Mind you, their cunning tactic appears to be to offer an immediate 50% discount if you can stomach keeping a dinged item.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 12 February, 2020, 07:22:49 AM
Skimming  through the latest SD volume, there's at least 3 pages where the lettering is blurred to the point of unreadability - anyone else's copy like this?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 February, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
Didn't notice the blurred text yet, I'm half way through.
This is my first read of the return of Johnny Alpha story. I thought Feral looked very un-feral-y, almost like Alan Grant. Or is that just me. You can tell the art at the beginning isn't 100% Carlos too, not for the better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 February, 2020, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 12 February, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
Didn't notice the blurred text yet, I'm half way through.
This is my first read of the return of Johnny Alpha story. I thought Feral looked very un-feral-y, almost like Alan Grant. Or is that just me. You can tell the art at the beginning isn't 100% Carlos too, not for the better.

You can just tell that Feral isn't a character Carlos designed - he simply doesn't work in the King's style. Either that, or Carlos had very little interest in him, even this long after Strontium Dogs. Annoys me a bit that Feral wasn't coloured fushcia (as Colin Macneil did) or white (as Simon Harrison did). As a result he doesn't look much like either a mutant or an albino - just a random hair-metal has-been.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 12 February, 2020, 09:51:08 AM
Wagner's hatred of Feral is quite staggering!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 14 February, 2020, 09:29:59 PM
.y issue of The Life And Death Of Johnny Alpha was perfect, there was no blurred text in it, and it was a very enjoyable issue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 14 February, 2020, 11:00:00 PM
I was delighted to find the whole of Life & Death in one fat volume, and then surprised that I didn't really enjoy it much.

There are just too many threads that go absolutely nowhere, and the mean-spirited atmosphere of the Feral stuff just seems to pervade the whole when it's all in one book. It's Wagner and Ezquerra, so of course there are plenty of good bits along the way, but the whole is less than the parts.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 17 February, 2020, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 February, 2020, 11:00:00 PM
I was delighted to find the whole of Life & Death in one fat volume, and then surprised that I didn't really enjoy it much.

There are just too many threads that go absolutely nowhere, and the mean-spirited atmosphere of the Feral stuff just seems to pervade the whole when it's all in one book. It's Wagner and Ezquerra, so of course there are plenty of good bits along the way, but the whole is less than the parts.

That's about how I feel - in the time I've been reading 2000AD the treatment of Feral was one of two low points from Wagner (the other being that resurrection of the Angels which went nowhere).  I'm thinking if he didn't like the character then just don't write him?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 February, 2020, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 February, 2020, 11:00:00 PM
There are just too many threads that go absolutely nowhere...

Yeah, the bugaboo in Johnny's head for one. Felt as if that was really building to something - who/what's it going to be? How does it know so much about 'the project'? What's it leading Johnny towards?

It's eventually jettisoned with none of these questions answered and never mentioned again, without ever getting a name, or even a species classification/explanation. Ultimately feels like a lot of time spent on a thread that turns out to impact absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 17 February, 2020, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 17 February, 2020, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 February, 2020, 11:00:00 PM
There are just too many threads that go absolutely nowhere...

Yeah, the bugaboo in Johnny's head for one. Felt as if that was really building to something - who/what's it going to be? How does it know so much about 'the project'? What's it leading Johnny towards?

It's eventually jettisoned with none of these questions answered and never mentioned again, without ever getting a name, or even a species classification/explanation. Ultimately feels like a lot of time spent on a thread that turns out to impact absolutely nothing.

Maybe it's related to the deathly voice in PJ Maybe?'s head in that last storyline...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Magnetica on 17 February, 2020, 11:45:28 PM
I assumed it was there as a price Johnny had to pay for getting resurrected and yes it just got quietly dropped.

Guess we will never find out what it was now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 February, 2020, 08:54:05 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 17 February, 2020, 11:45:28 PM
I assumed it was there as a price Johnny had to pay for getting resurrected and yes it just got quietly dropped.

It does get properly written out rather than disappear; I just meant that, narratively speaking, it's a bit abrupt, and never mentioned again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 February, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
I've been suffering from some major depression for some time now and had fallen behind in reading some of the books as I find it hard to focus, it took me over a month to read a Peter May crime novel.

Anyway, I've said before I'm not a Slaine fan, but I found myself enjoying the book before Book of Invasions (haven't started that yet), the book with the Tale of the Swan Children in it.

Hewligans Haircut though, I'm only a short bit into it.  Does this thing get any better because to be frank, at this stage it seems like almost unintelligible nonsense and I'm not sure I can be bothered finishing it.  I realise the early stuff is essentially a one page strip but it seems totally nonsensical.  I know by the blurb at the front that's partly intentional.

Still to read the newest Nikolai Dante, have read Invasion and ABC Warriors Volgan War Volume 2, and Life and Death of Johnny Alpha.  I'm happy it's not a Harrison art book as I just couldn't gel with his art style but the story does seem a bit of a balls up and jumps around a lot without explaining much.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 19 February, 2020, 08:26:25 AM
I've got my copy of Hewligan's Haircut but still not re-read it.

I'm intrigued as I wonder how/if it'll hold up after all these years.

Keep your head up, Jade Falcon!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 February, 2020, 10:01:03 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 18 February, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
...Life and Death of Johnny Alpha.  I'm happy it's not a Harrison art book as I just couldn't gel with his art style but the story does seem a bit of a balls up and jumps around a lot without explaining much.

Really? I'm surprised, I didn't really find that. Think it builds really well from the mystery of Johnny's missing body, to the mystery surrounding 'the project', and then the explosion of all-out no-holds-barred war.

It does become a bit of a bleak read at times, probably not helped by your current mindset - it reads better in retrospect, with the following stories going some way to redeem the new darker Johnny and reinjecting some classic Stronty Dog humour. Fingers crossed for that final book in the extension!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 19 February, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 18 February, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
... I find it hard to focus, it took me over a month to read a Peter May crime novel.

Could be worse, could be a Peter James mystery  - at least half the pages in one of his are just Chapter headings!  I hear ya though, I can almost chart a descent into depression by the length of the cobwebs on the to-read-pile beside my bed. In fact, I know I'm close to rock bottom when the wife says 'are you still reading that?'.  Keep those feet moving forward one at a time Jade Falcon, you'll make it through this.

I agree that the Beastie in Johnny's head is explained  (just about - it's a spawn of the Lyran demon planted in his head, and presumably the reason he was only mostly dead) and resolved (sort of), but it also amounts to essentially nothing. The Ikans go the same way, myaterious regenerating aliens with time-weapons working for the Agency: quick explanation of Sir Pelham's involvement, and they're gone.

Ditto the Second Mutant War - we start with Johnny telling muties not to take out their anger on the Muti-Care workers, and then rapidly escalating to  a call to genocide, then there are some ambushes and tanks and a big explosion and it stops. Nothing really in the way of development or resolution of Johnny's situation.

I wasn't ever expecting a happy ending, but I would have hoped for something in the way of characters or twists or really anything to justify such a nihilistic, destructive tale.

But like I say, there are plenty of good bits (even Feral's miserable fate is so utterly hideous as to be impressive), I just don't like it as a story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 February, 2020, 10:53:59 PM
I found the pacing of the Alpha story a bit off at times, Kid Knee Jr was certainly an asshole though.  It did seem to suddenly end with little explanation of the Ikons or what was the future (if any) of the Mutants, after all how many are left, was there truly no cure etc.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 February, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 19 February, 2020, 10:53:59 PM
I found the pacing of the Alpha story a bit off at times, Kid Knee Jr was certainly an asshole though.  It did seem to suddenly end with little explanation of the Ikans or what was the future (if any) of the Mutants, after all how many are left, was there truly no cure etc.

As I say, it reads better in conjunction with the following stories, which see a gradual return to humorous bounty-hunting hijinks. We never see the Ikans again (the Doghouse is closed down after the War) but [spoiler]there really is no cure. The mutants of Britain are sterile. Kid Jr, Evans, and Middenface are all arrested and thrown into maximum security pokey. So is Johnny, who used his second time bomb to escape the destruction of the Great Hall (as you probably guessed)... [/spoiler]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 20 February, 2020, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 February, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
As I say, it reads better in conjunction with the following stories, which see a gradual return to humorous bounty-hunting hijinks.

Unfortunately that return to form kicks off with the misjudged Jing Jang Job, aka The Stix Fix, so the dissonance doesn't really resolve any time soon. Happily by the time we get to the end of The Son, and thus of Strontium Dog as we have known it, we have a Johnny we can recognise again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 February, 2020, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 February, 2020, 01:14:14 PM
Unfortunately that return to form kicks off with the misjudged Jing Jang Job, aka The Stix Fix, so the dissonance doesn't really resolve any time soon.

I know we're supposed to shake our heads in stern liberal disapproval over that one, but I genuinely liked the story and wasn't any more bothered by Wagner's (admittedly broad) lampooning of a fascist regime than I was by the appearance of Hitler in The Schicklegruber Grab (just a bit weird that it's so grounded in the present - couldn't we have had an analogous and less country-specific future version?).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 February, 2020, 05:28:32 PM
Quotelampooning of a fascist regime
Which could be done without the more questionable elements, mind. It's not 1985 any more.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 22 February, 2020, 10:54:04 AM
That, and as Jimbo says, using North Korea in a post-apocalyptic world of, what, 2200 now, is just very boring. Contrast it with last year's Guatemala which walked a fine line wrt racial stereotyping but succeded because it was about evil comedy robots: imagine El Presidente and his sickening regime were just a regular human junta in Chile or Nicaragua, complete with mustachios and toothpicks. That's The Stix Fix.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 February, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
Pleasantly surprised when a parcel dropped through the letterbox yesterday with issues 63 and 64.  Oh and the 70s covers volume - which like it's predecessors is a bit of a disappointment. They'd returned to half decent cardboard packaging for this delivery which was good - no damages.

Books are great - Volgan War continues to look stunning even if the plot seems a bit confusing at times. Only just cracked open the Caballistics vol but I can tell already that I'm gonna love this one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 February, 2020, 11:35:09 AM
I'm still waiting on replacements for 61/62. Good to know card is being used again. Looks like my payment was taken on 14 Feb.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 26 February, 2020, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: sintec on 26 February, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
Pleasantly surprised when a parcel dropped through the letterbox yesterday with issues 63 and 64.  Oh and the 70s covers volume - which like it's predecessors is a bit of a disappointment. They'd returned to half decent cardboard packaging for this delivery which was good - no damages.

Books are great - Volgan War continues to look stunning even if the plot seems a bit confusing at times. Only just cracked open the Caballistics vol but I can tell already that I'm gonna love this one.

Yes, received same. Nice that they properly packaged it, and I've three undamaged books, which is nice.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 27 February, 2020, 01:33:48 PM
Got the latest delivery of 63/64, well packaged & both great looking books.

If only the customer service matched the product, as no sign of my replacement copy of 61 or the Seventies Cover book despite getting the previous three & not even receiving the opt-out letter for this one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 February, 2020, 01:31:58 PM
I didn't get the covers book, which is good (I'd stated a while back I wanted no more of them). My books arrived today in a cardboard envelope. One has minor damage I won't be asking to be replaced, but... ARGH. The previous card sleeves were great. They worked. It required actual effort to damage the books. These envelopes allow the books to slip about inside, and afford little protection against dents. Still, it beats last month's "bit of a bin bag" 'packaging', I suppose.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 March, 2020, 01:03:36 AM
I did a catch up on the books that I had got but hadn't got round to reading.  The last three Slaine books, Book seven and the two Book of Invasions I quite enjoyed, not perfect, but overall very enjoyable.

Nikolai Dante was a little patchy in places, but I'd never read any of Nikolai prior to this collection and quite like him.

I've given up early on Hewligans Haircut, maybe will try again, it seems a product of its time and maybe I'm just not in the mood for it.

WIthout exaggerating, I'm in a deep depression just now, almost suicidally so and have found reading quite difficult, so its worth trying again with that some time.

Caballistics, I feel the art could be a little better but I like the references like the Doctor Who one in the initial story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 March, 2020, 10:42:44 AM
Hewligan felt like it was trying a little to hard to be wacky at times imo. There's a really fine line to walk with this kind of crazy psychedelia and imo some parts of the volume worked better than others. For me Zaucer of Zilk was the standout; it had that crazy imagination of a Roald Dahl childrens story, the words and art just gelled perfectly and whilst being utterly bonkers it never felt forced. Can't say the same for the current tale in the prog which feels like it's trying a little too hard to re-capture the zaniness of the original but doesn't quite hit the mark.

Hope the black dog gives you a break soon Jade Falcon, never an easy visitor.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 March, 2020, 11:34:24 AM
I always had a soft spot for Hewligan – it worked really nicely in the Prog at the time, and was a fun oddball romp. Zaucer in some ways feels like a spiritual successor. As for the current run, Hogan's script doesn't quite hit the same highs as Ewing's, but it's solid enough – and, frankly, it's just great to get Hogan back in the Prog at all. I'd love to see him do something more, especially now that Resident Alien's coming to an end. (Sob.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 March, 2020, 12:37:41 PM
I don't think Hewligan was served well by being surrounded by similar wacky tales (same could be said for all the stories in this volume tbh). For me it's a style that works best when it's the "something different", when it's collected together like this it can all become a bit too much. Maybe a volume best read in small chunks in between other stories.

I've been considering doing a re-read of the collection in prog order once we get to the end to try and get a feel for how these stories read originally when they were interleaved. A kind of simulated prog-slog if you will.  Of course with an extension on the horizon the end is now a way off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 02 March, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
Has there been any more word on the extension, or still just that slip on the Facebook page?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2020, 02:34:04 PM
Nothing official.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 March, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
So we've got a Rogue Trooper book coming up, any idea what will be in it?

Will it have Realpolitik, as in the graphic novel of that name from Rebellion as that would mean I've got a surplus for a friend. However, one of these collection book could hold a bit more, so maybe the 86ers as well?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 March, 2020, 12:07:04 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 04 March, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
So we've got a Rogue Trooper book coming up, any idea what will be in it?

Will it have Realpolitik, as in the graphic novel of that name from Rebellion as that would mean I've got a surplus for a friend. However, one of these collection book could hold a bit more, so maybe the 86ers as well?

I think it's going to be essentially Realpolitik plus Cinnabar (maybe a few Annual stories/odds and sods).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bedlamvr on 04 March, 2020, 12:08:00 PM
Sooo .. here is a question,

Does anyone know what it happening with the premium figures? The last one i got was rouge - and I thought there was supposed to be 6 - every 7 deliveries or so - so i am guessing the next one would be due soon ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 05 March, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: bedlamvr on 04 March, 2020, 12:08:00 PM
Sooo .. here is a question,

Does anyone know what it happening with the premium figures? The last one i got was rouge - and I thought there was supposed to be 6 - every 7 deliveries or so - so i am guessing the next one would be due soon ?
Last figure came with issue 51/52 so next one is due with 65/66 I guess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 March, 2020, 12:05:41 PM
its depressing we only got a john smith story NOW  :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 March, 2020, 12:28:36 PM
Well, if that extension happens, who knows? I will, though, be extremely disappointed if we get another 30 books and there's still no Firekind collection (backed with Leatherjack or whatever else) at the very least. Indigo Prime and Revere would also be welcome (although the latter might be tricky to compile with something else).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 March, 2020, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 05 March, 2020, 12:28:36 PM
Indigo Prime and Revere would also be welcome (although the latter might be tricky to compile with something else).

Cradlegrave plus some future shocks?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 March, 2020, 10:38:27 PM
Or, instead of future shocks, Smith's one-off takes on Friday and Robo-Hunter? Enfleshings is brilliant, and I don't think Something for the Weekend, Sir has been reprinted since the original Sci-fi Special, but it still seems to haunt the back of my mind, as all the best Smith stories should.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 March, 2020, 12:34:33 PM
Back of the prog has last rogue volume, credits Rennie, Smith, Dillon, Coleby & Johnson.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 08 March, 2020, 01:14:53 PM
Has anyone here not had the latest payment taken (for issues 63/64)? My hachette account shows payment on 14th Feb which usually means the payment actually leaving my account 2 weeks later (this has been true for as long as I've ever bothered checking). However the most recent payment which should have been taken on 28th Feb wasn't taken. Just wanted to check if this was/wasn't the same for others before chasing it up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 10 March, 2020, 05:39:16 PM
I'm an occasional buyer who gets them direct from Hatchette. Unfortunately I've been getting a 'moving to a new warehouse' message on their website for quite some time now. Anyone know anything about this? How are they managing to service their subscribers without a warehouse? Nowhere near me sells it so I have to get these online.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 March, 2020, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 10 March, 2020, 05:39:16 PMHow are they managing to service their subscribers without a warehouse?
By delaying everyone's subscription by three weeks, sending two books in a big bag, and then promising to send replacements and failing to do so – at least if my experience is typical.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 March, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 10 March, 2020, 05:39:16 PM
I'm an occasional buyer who gets them direct from Hatchette. Unfortunately I've been getting a 'moving to a new warehouse' message on their website for quite some time now. Anyone know anything about this? How are they managing to service their subscribers without a warehouse? Nowhere near me sells it so I have to get these online.

Preorder from Forbidden Planet instead, man.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Fungus on 10 March, 2020, 11:03:58 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 March, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 10 March, 2020, 05:39:16 PM
I'm an occasional buyer who gets them direct from Hatchette. Unfortunately I've been getting a 'moving to a new warehouse' message on their website for quite some time now. Anyone know anything about this? How are they managing to service their subscribers without a warehouse? Nowhere near me sells it so I have to get these online.

Preorder from Forbidden Planet instead, man.

Amen.
Ages ago I picked some cherries and did just that till the end of the run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 11 March, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
Rogue Trooper volume 5 contains:

Cinnabar
What Lies Beneath
Weapons of War
Overkill
Lions
A Visit to the Boneyard
Requiem
Angels
Ghouls
Realpolitik
Condor Six Down
Dead Ringer
What If...Gunnar Survived the Quartz Zone Massacre
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 March, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 11 March, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
Rogue Trooper volume 5 contains:

Cinnabar
What Lies Beneath
Weapons of War
Overkill
Lions
A Visit to the Boneyard
Requiem
Angels
Ghouls
Realpolitik
Condor Six Down
Dead Ringer
What If...Gunnar Survived the Quartz Zone Massacre

So it's essentially the Tales of Nu-Earth phonebook 04, minus three or four minor one-offs. Pretty much what we expected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: gurnard on 11 March, 2020, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 March, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Preorder from Forbidden Planet instead, man.

I would agree gave up on the Hatchette site before it went to the moving message a long time ago. Pre-order form FP and you don't miss an issue. Managed to pre-order all the Dantes until the end I believe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 March, 2020, 04:07:30 AM
So for those of you who got the latest Rogue book, what did you think of the content.  Especially asking those who hadn't read it before.

This Rogue seemed quite a bit more mature compared to earlier.  Arkhan seemed an interesting character who   despite being hinted at as a bit of a brutal type had his own code of honour.

As to Cinnabar, its a good story but it seemed as if it jumped a bit.  There was the female member of the council saying "Would you like to stud for me" and then it jumped straight into another aspect.  Albeit I think she was joking but it did look as if there was missing pages but I've read Cinnabar before and know that's not the case.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 17 March, 2020, 12:06:58 AM
Money's been taken out for 65/66. Checked my online account and the 5th figurine is being sent out this month
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 March, 2020, 09:46:09 AM
Well, I got my 61/62 replacements. But I was told they'd been sent with 65/66, which haven't arrived. So: sigh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 March, 2020, 12:48:08 AM
Regarding the last Rogue book, was there ever any more content like that, what seemed to be a more mature, darker form of Rogue Trooper.  I'm aware of the 'hit' stories, and Friday.  If there's an extension I'd like to see Friday and maybe the Hit stories for completions sake, but not bothered about the latter.  I'm aware and have the trades of Jaegir and the 86er's which aren't Rogue but are in the same universe.

I guess there's been no further update on the extension and it's contents yet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 March, 2020, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 18 March, 2020, 12:48:08 AM
Regarding the last Rogue book, was there ever any more content like that, what seemed to be a more mature, darker form of Rogue Trooper.  I'm aware of the 'hit' stories, and Friday.  If there's an extension I'd like to see Friday and maybe the Hit stories for completions sake, but not bothered about the latter.  I'm aware and have the trades of Jaegir and the 86er's which aren't Rogue but are in the same universe.

I guess there's been no further update on the extension and it's contents yet?
I thought Matt's introduction was pretty down on the Fr1day stories but perhaps just a The War Machine collection will be included. I liked it myself!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 March, 2020, 11:31:20 AM
Personally, I'd sooner any extension concentrate on objectively good material rather than completionism. For strips that could wrap up to a logical end point and that are fab (Kingdom), sure, more books, please! But The Hit was a waste of space, and was cut short and unceremoniously completed in a winter special when 2000 AD realised it was shit. (The arc, that is, not the ending — that at least was... not terrible.)

Fr1day was initially poor, and although it picked up a bit later on, attempting to make it into the original RT — and then [spoiler]literally bringing back the old Rogue characters, only to kill off most of them[/spoiler] was baffling, unnecessary, and ultimately pointless. I certainly don't think too many readers are gagging to slog through Golden Fox Rebellion and Saharan Ice War any time soon.

I'd take The War Machine, though. And that'd leave something like 100 additional pages to fill in one of these hardbacks. (Interestingly, Barney puts the Tor Cyan arc at around that page count.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 18 March, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
War Machine, the Dredd crossover and the John Smith/Chris Weston Fr1days might be slightly tempting, but it still seems thin. Have we had the Alan Moore Rogue story yet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 March, 2020, 01:41:29 PM
Frankly I'd rather have a Jaegir book than any of that so-so Rogue/Friday stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 March, 2020, 02:05:25 PM
I've got the Jaegir trade that's available, is that all that was ever done?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 March, 2020, 02:23:52 PM
Beasts Within (2015) is the only current Jaegir trade. It compiles Strigoi, Circe, Brothers in Arms and Tartarus. I suppose you could roll in the rest (+50p) and you hit the low end of the required page count. Hunted would make it one of the chunkier vols, although I wasn't particularly enamoured with that strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 March, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
Sorry, I meant is that all that was ever done of Jaegir as a strip, not published in trade form.

Regarding the other materials, I'm not bothered about the hit stuff, I think I read at least some of it in a dodgy CBR scan and it seemed a bit of a meandering mess. You got the impression it could quite as easily have been a separate story with all new characters in a different universe. To use a videogame analogy it's like some of these fighting games that might have an out of universe character skin as a bonus unlockable.

Friday etc, I have no opinion on as the only story I read was a crossover with Dredd. Neither Friday nor Tor Cyan I know anything of. I must admit I liked the darker tone of Realpolitik.

I'm also guessing that the extension wouldn't have the Dredd/Batman crossovers due to rights issues.

My knowledge of 2000ad past a certain point is sadly limited, I stopped reading round about the end of classic Rogue and pre 'hit' stories, hence why so much is new to me like Nikolai Dante etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 March, 2020, 06:08:42 PM
I'm pretty sure they've confirmed none of the crossover stuff because of rights issues.  I'd strongly suspect that also means none of the creator owned stuff either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 March, 2020, 06:10:16 PM
Creator owned? Sorry, you've got me there, I'm not quite sure what that would be.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 March, 2020, 07:35:07 PM
Wasn't stuff like Mazeworld and Button Man creator owned and then licensed for in the prog?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazeworld
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 18 March, 2020, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 March, 2020, 02:23:52 PM
Beasts Within (2015) is the only current Jaegir trade. It compiles Strigoi, Circe, Brothers in Arms and Tartarus. I suppose you could roll in the rest (+50p) and you hit the low end of the required page count.
There's another two stories (60 pages) which aren't up on Barney yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 19 March, 2020, 12:46:17 AM
My copies of 65/66 arrived today with the 5th premium figure (all in the same box but seemed to be packed securely & with suitable padding in the box to stop everything moving around). The figure of Judge Dredd is actually really good & I'm quite impressed.

Strangely, the delivery note that came in the box said I would be charged £15.99 for some reason rather than the standard £22.98 for the premium subscription - it says Parcel amount due £22.98, Total amount due £15.99. I'm not sure why this is. Hachette still haven't taken payment for the previous delivery of 63/64 either so God knows what this all means.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 March, 2020, 11:11:26 AM
65/66 here also, in a card envelope that looked like someone had given it a serious kicking. I took photos, expecting another replacement request was imminent. Somehow, the books are both fine. I've no idea how. (There was an actual chunk missing from the envelope.) That Strontium Dog book is a bit chunky, isn't it?

Also, my delivery note said I'd be charged 40 quid, for some reason. So I need to check on that. Again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 19 March, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 March, 2020, 11:11:26 AM
65/66 here also, in a card envelope that looked like someone had given it a serious kicking. I took photos, expecting another replacement request was imminent. Somehow, the books are both fine. I've no idea how. (There was an actual chunk missing from the envelope.) That Strontium Dog book is a bit chunky, isn't it?

Also, my delivery note said I'd be charged 40 quid, for some reason. So I need to check on that. Again.
Ha ha yeah it's about twice the size of the accompanying Slaine book (or is that one particularly slim?)

Anyway, it seems that Hachette's accounts have gone slightly screwy. I've since checked my Hachette account & that shows standard payment of £22.98 is due.

I had actually contacted them a week or so back to ask about the fact they hadn't taken the payment for 63/64 & was told that a payment of £15.99 was due to be taken shortly. This confused me (obviously) & I asked them to confirm that I wasn't somehow being charged for the covers special (which I have asked not to receive several times previously) but they said no, it's for the latest delivery. Now the books have arrived & I am indeed being charged £15.99 it's unclear what I'm actually being charged for.

Now I'm hoping they take a payment - whether it's £22.98, £15.99 or even £45.96 (ie the actual amount I am due to pay for the last 2 sets of books) - as don't want to miss several months payments due to their incompetence & then hachette suddenly try to take the while lot in one go.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: bernardsfingers on 20 March, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
They've taken £15.99 from my account so I'm just going to assume they know something I don't.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 March, 2020, 08:02:59 PM
Well I was going to skip this final Rogue book, but I'm really glad I didn't! Obviously Cinnabar is a little masterpiece, and I can't believe I now have it in hardback! - but Rennie's Rogue run left me a bit cold way back when it ran in the prog. No idea why - it's great fun! Enjoyed it a lot more than I expected to, and it all looks sublime. A great inclusion is What If Gunnar Survived the Quartz Zone Massacre? , a really powerful little six-pager that reinforces that Gunnar is probably the best Rogueverse character.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 25 March, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
I've just finished this weeks issue (Ampney Crucis Investigates) and I really enjoyed this one, I like a lot of these newer stories, this along with Kingdom, Stickleback, Zombo and Shakara have been some of my favourites so far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 March, 2020, 06:47:23 PM
If you get replacements from Hachette, keep an eye on your direct debits. The company just charged me for copies of 61/62 sent to replace the ones sent in a bin bag. I look forward to the next six months of trying to get that 20 quid back.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 March, 2020, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: AlanProut on 25 March, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
I've just finished this weeks issue (Ampney Crucis Investigates) and I really enjoyed this one, I like a lot of these newer stories, this along with Kingdom, Stickleback, Zombo and Shakara have been some of my favourites so far.

This is good to hear. Are you a new reader Alan Prout. If you listen too much to Faciebook you get the impression that 2000ad was sooo much better in the day - which is absolute poppycock. Don't get me wrong it was wonderful back in the day but that in no way reduces its current wonderfulness.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 26 March, 2020, 11:21:35 AM
To be honest, I do find myself skipping a lot of the early 80s stuff. I wasn't a reader back then and it doesn't hold much nostalgia value for me. They got away with a lot within the bounds of what was acceptable, but the stories from the late 90s onward are so much more sophisticated. Comics and TV storytelling came on in leaps and bounds during this period, once creators were able to start thinking long-form with regards to storytelling.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2020, 11:34:13 AM
FWIW, a very fast response on Facebook to being double charged. An apology and then asked whether just crediting against the next set of books would be acceptable. Which I'm fine with — although let's see if that happens!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 26 March, 2020, 10:44:57 PM
I was always aware of 2000AD when I was growing up but never really read much of it, then I started to read the Judge Dredd Mega Collection and after that ended started on the 2000AD Ultimate Collection. When I said I really like the newer stories that doesn't mean I dont enjoy the older stuff too, Halo Jones, Nemesis The Warlock, Strontium Dog, ACE Trucking have all been enjoyable too, actually I've enjoyed every issue so far even Slaine which a lot of people don't like but I think it's ok.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 March, 2020, 07:22:57 AM
Well its great to hear newer readers engaging with the newer material and that Ultimate Collection is pulling folks in. Both AlanProut and Leethomson have refreshing perspectives on this stuff and so welcome aboard folks. Have fun with the thrills.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 March, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
no ampney in my newsagent not really shocked though only thing i got this week was the prog
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 30 March, 2020, 04:39:29 PM
I really wish we had an idea what the extension holds, I've got potential money problems coming up and I'd like to know if it's worth continuing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 March, 2020, 09:04:13 PM
Oh bugger just realised I got a problem. Up to now I've been able to pick up the Dante issues by waiting for Preview and ordering them from my LCS but of course that doesn't work any more as my LCS is closed and I'm not getting Previews.

Bugger is the dream going to die... any tips short of subscribing?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 30 March, 2020, 09:33:14 PM
FP?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 March, 2020, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 30 March, 2020, 09:33:14 PM
FP?

Yeah just pre-ordered them all. Fingers crossed ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 31 March, 2020, 12:26:02 PM
Just now received from Forbidden Planet regarding my specific question on Hachette GNs:
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Thanks for getting in touch.

We have a bit more information in regards to new shipments.

Unfortunately due to the Covid-19 Lockdown no items released on or after 25th March 2020 are being shipped to retailers from suppliers, and your outstanding orders will be delayed until further notice. We hope to fulfil outstanding orders once this situation has been resolved and suppliers start shipping comics again.

We're sorry again for any inconvenience caused by this delay and thank you for your patience and understanding in these uncertain times.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 31 March, 2020, 01:42:35 PM
That's a shame. Can't say I'm too surprised, though...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 March, 2020, 01:45:11 PM
I'm noticing book retailers starting to shut their doors as well — Speedyhen yesterday, for example.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 31 March, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 31 March, 2020, 12:26:02 PM
Just now received from Forbidden Planet regarding my specific question on Hachette GNs:
Quote
Thanks for getting in touch.

We have a bit more information in regards to new shipments.

Unfortunately due to the Covid-19 Lockdown no items released on or after 25th March 2020 are being shipped to retailers from suppliers, and your outstanding orders will be delayed until further notice. We hope to fulfil outstanding orders once this situation has been resolved and suppliers start shipping comics again.

We're sorry again for any inconvenience caused by this delay and thank you for your patience and understanding in these uncertain times.

Arh damnit that didn't take long. Still I guess if they ever come out I'll get um.... I wonder if Hatchette are still able to print and distribute anyway? We'll see what happens I guess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 31 March, 2020, 02:34:25 PM
TBH I was wondering about how much longer some of these operations were going to carry on.  Amazon workers in New York are apparently walking out over safety and infection.  IIRC similar sorts of things were said of Sports Direct.  I've been wondering about the ethics of putting in orders myself given that companies are likely to respond to demand.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 31 March, 2020, 02:35:06 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 31 March, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 31 March, 2020, 12:26:02 PM
Just now received from Forbidden Planet regarding my specific question on Hachette GNs:
Quote
Thanks for getting in touch.

We have a bit more information in regards to new shipments.

Unfortunately due to the Covid-19 Lockdown no items released on or after 25th March 2020 are being shipped to retailers from suppliers, and your outstanding orders will be delayed until further notice. We hope to fulfil outstanding orders once this situation has been resolved and suppliers start shipping comics again.

We're sorry again for any inconvenience caused by this delay and thank you for your patience and understanding in these uncertain times.

Arh damnit that didn't take long. Still I guess if they ever come out I'll get um.... I wonder if Hatchette are still able to print and distribute anyway? We'll see what happens I guess.

Since I posted this I've called Hachette and restarted my subs with them. They said they currently have no supply problems. I'm so behind with my books anyway I'm ok with a wait, but don't want to miss any. The books are printed in Spain of all places so at some point it's likely to go tits up I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 03 April, 2020, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 31 March, 2020, 12:26:02 PM
Just now received from Forbidden Planet regarding my specific question on Hachette GNs:
Quote
Thanks for getting in touch.

We have a bit more information in regards to new shipments.

Unfortunately due to the Covid-19 Lockdown no items released on or after 25th March 2020 are being shipped to retailers from suppliers, and your outstanding orders will be delayed until further notice. We hope to fulfil outstanding orders once this situation has been resolved and suppliers start shipping comics again.

We're sorry again for any inconvenience caused by this delay and thank you for your patience and understanding in these uncertain times.

Emailed earlier today by Forbidden Planet informing me of a change of release date for the next Dante volume. Checked my order tonight and it's now been charged and ready for dispatch!

If I end up being charged for my order of The Best of 2000ad Issue 1 then I'll know something fishy's going on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 April, 2020, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: levers on 03 April, 2020, 11:17:46 PM
Emailed earlier today by Forbidden Planet informing me of a change of release date for the next Dante volume. Checked my order tonight and it's now been charged and ready for dispatch!

If I end up being charged for my order of The Best of 2000ad Issue 1 then I'll know something fishy's going on.

Well that's just typical isn't it. Jumped the gun. Well, I stand by the fact I'm way behind on my reading and could probably do with a little break in payments too. Good for those still getting the books from FP!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 April, 2020, 02:07:06 PM
Surprisingly, a triple-whammy of decent customer service from Hachette today.

1. My new books arrived, 18 days after the previous set, which rocked up 19 days after the ones prior to them. That's only two days late over the revised schedule — and we didn't get mail on Saturday at all, so they may well have been (shock) on time.

2. The credit to my account due to last month's screw-up was done correctly, and so I have a zero charge.

3. The old card packaging is back. Hurrah!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 06 April, 2020, 03:43:33 PM
I managed to pick up the first 58 of these and want to subscribe to get the rest and the site has been down for aaaaages. Grrrrr!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 April, 2020, 04:12:29 PM
Phone them. Apparently, their new customer service lot aren't too awful.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 07 April, 2020, 12:01:21 PM
Was anyone else charged twice in March? On the 6th and 27th for me. I'm not complaining, as I'm keen for them to to catch up with the release dates, but I wondered whether it was technically legal!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 April, 2020, 01:31:24 PM
I was charged twice when getting replacements. They then zeroed out the following payment. Contact them on Facebook and alert them to the error.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 07 April, 2020, 02:18:22 PM
I've not been charged twice for the same volumes. I've been charged for two different pairs of volumes - but both charges have happened within a 21-day period.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 April, 2020, 02:26:11 PM
Ah, right. In that case, I think it's above board. I imagine there will be something in the sign-up terms for the direct debit about scheduling changes (even if Hachette once used "we can't charge you twice in the same month" as an excuse — nonsensical when you realise it's a 28-day schedule, and every month bar one is longer than 28 days...)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 07 April, 2020, 03:14:08 PM
Yeah it was the 'can't charge you twice in 28 days' excuse which I'd heard from them before, so this threw me a bit. Oh well as long as they turn up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 April, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
No book in today, so I don't know how much of a possible delay there might be.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 09 April, 2020, 08:37:51 AM
I saw a message on one of the Facebook posts regarding the upcoming delays to the collection for customers who buy from newsagents, bookshops etc, so issue 69 which was due for release yesterday has been put back to 15/04/20, then issue 70 will be out on 06/05/20 and finally issue 71 is out on 20/05/20, hopefully some of the shops that stock it will stay open, my local newsagent has closed so I'll be trying to get mine online for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 April, 2020, 09:58:35 AM
They've stated deliveries may slip from four to five weeks as well. Although you'd think if the printing schedule remains, subscribers might actually finally get to catch up with stores again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 April, 2020, 12:33:06 PM
Working my way through a bumper pile of thrillpower as 65 and 66 got delayed in the postal service for "reasons".  Thoughts so far:

Ampney Crucis is brilliant stuff. Trying to take this one slowly so I can savour it. If we're still getting an extension then it needs more Edington tales imo.

Slaine - Carnival was a real low point, that whole story seemed like an incoherent mess and I couldn't care less about any of the characters it introduced.  Gong Beater and Smuggler were both good little short stories though; I kinda feel like Slaine is at his best in these shorter tales rather than the big epics Pat keeps spinning.

Strontium Dog - wow they really wanted to trash Feral, a revenge killing and a brutal one at that. Only half way through and McNulty really is the star of this one so far.

Rogue - this is the only one I've not started on yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 April, 2020, 09:41:29 AM
Quick addendum to my previous post; Cinnabar is glorious, superb stuff.  Grim, gritty, and action packed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 11 April, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
Nikolai Dante 7 just dropped through the door from FP 👍🏻👍🏻 Been looking forward to this for a while.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 11 April, 2020, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: Trooper McFad on 11 April, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
Nikolai Dante 7 just dropped through the door from FP 👍🏻👍🏻 Been looking forward to this for a while.

Mine too! Also from FP!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 11 April, 2020, 02:52:58 PM
Yep, pleased to get the latest Dante, also from Forbidden Planet. I'm waiting for the whole lot before a reread though.

Just read all the Rennie Rogue Trooper for the first time since the original progs. Good stuff! Makes me want some more Jaegir asap.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 April, 2020, 03:22:11 PM
Yeah I'm hoping for a Jaegir volume in that rumoured extension, the bits I've read have been fantastic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 April, 2020, 03:12:36 AM
Finally read Ampney Crucis, a bit mixed in places but overall I liked it.  I liked the alternative Steampunk world which put me in mind of Moorcocks Warlord of the Air book with the airships, autogyros and similiar.  The only real complaint is the rather abrupt ending.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 13 April, 2020, 07:59:45 AM
Very impressed by many aspects of Crucis, but not so much the very abrupt ending and multiple dropped threads. Seems to be a bit of a recurring theme in some of these volumes, a certain amount of J J Abrams-ing, where much is set up, and then the creators go off and do something else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 13 April, 2020, 11:37:42 AM
It's the Curse of Edginton - endless series on the go, endless (frequently impressive and original) examples of world-building, seldom really gets anywhere. Admittedly I'm not a fan of his work, but the best episodes of any of his stories are always the first few.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 13 April, 2020, 03:01:11 PM
Would be nice if they started to confirm what is coming with the extension (that's if it's still happening)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 April, 2020, 12:02:55 PM
I agree about the extension.

Also phoned Smith's, still no sign of last week's book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 April, 2020, 08:50:09 AM
The latest Dante volume is out today, and has a sticker directing to the Hachette FAQ site, [url]https://hachettepartworks.com/home/faq[url], listing revised release dates, subject to change but currently listed as follows:

Issue 69 – on-sale 15/04/2020
Issue 70 – on-sale 06/05/2020
Issue 71 – on-sale 27/05/2020
Issue 72 – on-sale 10/06/2020
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 April, 2020, 09:16:54 AM
FWIW,  when I asked, they could not provide even estimated dates for subscription copies to arrive.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 April, 2020, 01:10:20 PM
Well its good they have a plan at least. Fingers crossed you subscribers get looked after.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 April, 2020, 01:24:32 PM
Well, they've at least listened regarding packaging, which went from bin bag to card envelope and then back to the old bulletproof packaging. So that's something. My _hope_ is that the delays to the on-sale dates may allow the subscription schedule to catch back up a little to where it should be. My _guess_ is it will continue to sit well behind, meaning you get your package in the first week of the second issue being on sale (versus the original subscription, where you'd get both books around the time the first one went on sale, or a bit earlier).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 15 April, 2020, 11:41:45 PM
Thinking of checking out but we are so-ooo near to the end. While Uncle Pat is great, about 30% of this collection is by him. Would liked a bit more variety. I'm going to end up with 13 Slaine books. I'm not that interested. On top of 10 ABC Warriors/Nemesis books.

10 SD books. 9 Dante. Okay I don't mind those last two.

I dunno. Are the premiums due another figurine before the end of the run? Dredd one was really good. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 16 April, 2020, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 15 April, 2020, 11:41:45 PM
While Uncle Pat is great, about 30% of this collection is by him. Would liked a bit more variety.

If it's any consolation, there can't be that much more of Mills' oeuvre in the Tooth archive - the extension should be fairly light in that regard (although a bit more Savage wouldn't go amiss).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 April, 2020, 11:09:15 AM
That assumes we'll get one, of course. (I hope we do. But a pandemic might put paid to that.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 16 April, 2020, 11:45:50 AM
Stop with that kind of talk - things are bad enough already!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 16 April, 2020, 02:18:44 PM
god i love nikolai dante so much
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 April, 2020, 04:55:33 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 16 April, 2020, 02:18:44 PM
god i love nikolai dante so much

This is correct.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 April, 2020, 10:09:00 AM
Ugh the end of the Ampney Crucis book is indeed frustrating.  Which is a shame because everything else about it is fantastic and I'd love to hear that we're getting a 2nd volume in that rumoured extension but alas there is no more.

Do wish we'd get some kind of announcment on the extension - I've been putting off buying some of the recent Rebellion trades in case it ends up duplicating content that ends up being part of this collection. With only 6 more deliveries to go it's starting to feel like maybe they've decided to end it at 80 after all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 18 April, 2020, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: sintec on 18 April, 2020, 10:09:00 AM
Do wish we'd get some kind of announcment on the extension - I've been putting off buying some of the recent Rebellion trades in case it ends up duplicating content that ends up being part of this collection. With only 6 more deliveries to go it's starting to feel like maybe they've decided to end it at 80 after all.

The (original) final book is due in September, possibly pushed back now to October, so still a decent amount of time; I imagine the bulk of the editing/repro/design work on the extra books has already been done, so they're unlikely to bin all that effort.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 April, 2020, 12:19:49 PM
I really hope you're right Jimbo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 April, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
Asked some Qs:
QuoteTOM
Hello all, I wanted to ask whether we will still see the extension to this collection? The news was there would be 110 issues - 30 past the original 80. Is that still the case? And if so, could you say whether we will see any more Judge Dredd books in that 30? Or the series called Firekind? A favourite! Thank you.
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hi Tom. Thank you for your message. Yes the extension for this collection is still going ahead to a total of 110 books. Unfortunately I have not been informed what series will be in this extension. Apologies for the inconvenience. - Ross
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 20 April, 2020, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 20 April, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
Asked some Qs:
QuoteTOM
Hello all, I wanted to ask whether we will still see the extension to this collection? The news was there would be 110 issues - 30 past the original 80. Is that still the case? And if so, could you say whether we will see any more Judge Dredd books in that 30? Or the series called Firekind? A favourite! Thank you.
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hi Tom. Thank you for your message. Yes the extension for this collection is still going ahead to a total of 110 books. Unfortunately I have not been informed what series will be in this extension. Apologies for the inconvenience. - Ross

Nice to know that the extension is still on!

Mind you, the suspense of what will be included in it is killing me!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 April, 2020, 03:09:22 PM
Good to know it's going ahead. Anyone know the best way to bribe Matt Smith into including Firekind/Leatherjack?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 April, 2020, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 April, 2020, 03:09:22 PM
Good to know it's going ahead. Anyone know the best way to bribe Matt Smith into including Firekind/Leatherjack?

That would make an astonishing good collection.

How about a horror one with Cradlegrave and Chiaroscuro in it - space for others I'm sure, maybe Stone Island (see note about reading it now), or has Leviathon been include up to now? - I only say that as I'm reading Chiaroscuro now and its great!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 April, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
Excellent news - looking forwards to discovering some new worlds filled with ThrillPower.  Hopefully we'll get the rest of Stickleback.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 21 April, 2020, 11:55:16 AM
If it turns out Firekind/Leatherjack aren't included in the extension, I suggest we all crowdfund a nice custom hb copy just for IndigoPrime!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 April, 2020, 01:04:57 PM
Hah! Honestly, I'd find it truly baffling if we get another 30 books and the strip — an objective highlight from 2000 AD's history — is omitted. I get that John Smith and 2000 AD are hardly best buds these days, but his influence on the Prog is solid, and many of his strips are great. He's so far been more or less whitewashed from this collection. (Indigo Prime is also conspicuously absent, although if you rolled in Dead Eyes, you'd need two volumes to compile the lot.)

As for custom HB, I'd be half tempted to get my Extreme Edition bound if the page layouts work out. (Not sure if they do.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 April, 2020, 01:16:41 PM
I'd really like an idea as to what might be in the extension as I'm now down to £75 a week, so every penny is getting critical.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 21 April, 2020, 03:59:09 PM
Hopefully the inclusion of Cinnabar has opened to the doors to more Smith. I would be dismayed not to get a bona fide classic like Firekind in the extension, and Killing Time would not go amiss either.

A bound copy of the Firekind and Revere Extremes isn't a bad idea, but still seems a bit slim to justify the expense. A good chunk of The Dead Extreme Edition was Tyranny Rex though, and Slaughterbowl was in the same format...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 April, 2020, 04:56:50 PM
I can't see any of the Future Sports stuff like Harlem Heroes/Inferno or Mean Arena was it? Mean Streets? I've got the phone book of the first and I don't think the latter went down too well.

Perhaps Jaegir and the 86ers would make a good combi 'World of Rogue' volume while leaving out the naff Hitman stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 April, 2020, 05:04:22 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Harlem Heroes made the cut; the repro's been done, after all. I'd be perfectly happy if it didn't, mind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 April, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 21 April, 2020, 04:56:50 PM
Perhaps Jaegir and the 86ers would make a good combi 'World of Rogue' volume while leaving out the naff Hitman stuff.

There's enough Jaegir now for a trade all its own, and to be honest I'd rather have that! 86ers very quickly petered out, I thought - the fact that Gordon Rennie never bothered to come back to finish it speaks volumes!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 21 April, 2020, 06:25:20 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 April, 2020, 01:04:57 PM
Hah! Honestly, I'd find it truly baffling if we get another 30 books and the strip — an objective highlight from 2000 AD's history — is omitted. I get that John Smith and 2000 AD are hardly best buds these days, but his influence on the Prog is solid, and many of his strips are great. He's so far been more or less whitewashed from this collection. (Indigo Prime is also conspicuously absent, although if you rolled in Dead Eyes, you'd need two volumes to compile the lot.)

As for custom HB, I'd be half tempted to get my Extreme Edition bound if the page layouts work out. (Not sure if they do.)

John was well represented in the Dredd collection, so it does seem odd he's been given short shrift in the initial run here. In addition to the series Indigo's been championing, Killing Time, Revere and Cradlegrave are must-inclusions in the extension, surely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 April, 2020, 07:36:56 PM
Cradlegrave was properly horrible. Hard to know what that kind of twisted contemporary horror would sit well alongside. Revere also would be an odd one to pair something with. Intriguingly, Firekind + Cradlegrave + Revere = 260 pages of strip. On the thick side for these books (and especially the 2000 AD ones), but still — as I understand it — within the page limits. John Smith special FTW.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: MumboJimbo on 21 April, 2020, 07:47:12 PM
I'm one of those who buy from this series only on a very occasional basis, but any John Smith volumes would be an insta-buy, as would Zenith. Is Zenith creator owned? Not that that should necessarily be an impediment if they strike the right deal.

Stainless Steel Rat would be good too, as would both old and modern Fiends of the Eastern Front. Brink is an an obvious choice, and stuff like Button Man and Mazeworld would go down well I think.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 April, 2020, 07:53:51 PM
I crunched some numbers on books and strip page counts a while back using data from Barney. Some strips fit the Hachette format of 160-220 pages of strip per book better than others.  There are a few to either side of those numbers but not many (interestingly the recent Strontium Dog and Ampney Crucis books were the largest we've seen in the collection going by this metric - also much better value than the largest Dredd book which was Behind The Iron Curtain).

Anyway I digress the problem both Harlem Heroes and Mean Arena have is they don't fit the page count very well.  Pre-Inferno Harlem Heroes is too little content for one book but you'd have to split Inferno if you include it but that then gives you a second book you need to fill and I get the impression the later stuff is not particularly highly regarded.  Mean Arena has similar problems. I've not read any of the strips before so I've no idea if there are short tales that could be cut from the run or alternatively if there's a few good Future Shocks that would tie in to a future sports themed book to pad something out. Could they assemble a "Best Of Future Sports" volume or would that be non-sensical.

For early stuff my bets are on:
Flesh (books one and two are a perfect fit)
The VCs (if you include the 2nd run it fits nicely into 2 books)

With strong possibles:
Fiends of the Eastern Front (again filling the book out with the new run)
Ro-Busters (I'm not expecting complete here but a highlights volume would seem plausible)

I'd love to see Shako but it'd need pairing up with something - not sure what would work.

Quote from: MumboJimbo on 21 April, 2020, 07:47:12 PM
Is Zenith creator owned? Not that that should necessarily be an impediment if they strike the right deal.

Stainless Steel Rat would be good too, as would both old and modern Fiends of the Eastern Front. Brink is an an obvious choice, and stuff like Button Man and Mazeworld would go down well I think.

I think they've said before there wouldn't be any of the creator owned stuff - might change in the extension but I doubt it sadly.

Brink would fit nicely into 2 Hachette volumes and does also seem an obvious choice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 April, 2020, 08:59:10 PM
Stainless Steel Rat won't happen, because Rebellion no longer have the rights. Zenith could — after all, the HCs exist.

The bigger problem with the sports titles is that, objectively, they're just not that good. Flesh: fine (at least the early stuff — I'm not too keen on the more recent tales). VCs never clicked with me, but OK. Ro-Busters might be a problem, since it's Starlord for the first chunk, and no Starlord stuff has been included so far.

Fiends: would like to see. Brink: I own the trades, but I'd nonetheless be happy to see it in HC. (I'd prefer an Image-style oversized, obv, but the chances of that are nil.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: MumboJimbo on 21 April, 2020, 09:22:56 PM
I've never read Mean Arena, but I've little love for Harlem Heroes and even less for Mean Team. In fact I think I may even prefer the Fleischer reboot of Harlem Heroes to its original form! I think that his first work for the prog maybe? Better I thought than stuff that followed like Friday and Junker
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 22 April, 2020, 10:09:50 AM
Regarding Jaegir I've got the softcover trade that's out and thought that was it. The problem with Inferno I felt was it seemed that they were told to wrap it up and it suddenly ended. Anyone who's read it will know what I mean.

I'm a Rogue fan but not bothered about Hitman, Friday or whatever. Fiends might be interesting, I've never read any of it. What could Shako be paired with, something of a similar theme.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 April, 2020, 10:25:20 AM
honestly fine without zenith. I still have those 4 volumes of it.

Everyone knows I am a John smith fanboy so thats a must imho

I dunno how robusters would work some of it is in the collection already and starlord strips seem to be out of the question. maybe have it as part of an abcs extension? we would be getting to return to robusters I think.

Flesh/shako double bill? or is the original runs still too short for a book?

I would love ace trucking to be finished off sure the post "death" strips are poor. but that one annual story me and conrad from space spinner 2000 did a podcast on deserves another showing

i would love me some armoured gideon
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 April, 2020, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 22 April, 2020, 10:09:50 AMRegarding Jaegir I've got the softcover trade that's out and thought that was it.
That compiles the first three runs, up to 2015. There's been more since then.

QuoteThe problem with Inferno I felt was it seemed that they were told to wrap it up and it suddenly ended. Anyone who's read it will know what I mean.
My understanding is that's literally what happened. Quite a few strips in the old days ran until they didn't. At some point, the editor decided to wrap things up. Meltdown Man also ends up quite abrupt fashion. Clearly, a lot of these strips weren't really designed in the manner of modern comics — even if they had ongoing arcs.

QuoteI'm a Rogue fan but not bothered about Hitman, Friday or whatever. Fiends might be interesting, I've never read any of it. What could Shako be paired with, something of a similar theme.
Rogue outside of what's been collected so far is pretty throwaway, bar perhaps War Machine. But I'm not fussed about that strip, given that it's hard to imagine any other reboot Rogue being worthy of HC treatment. (Possible exception: Tor Cyan.)

Fiends in its classic incarnation is a strip I've always had a soft spot for. It's straightforward, finite, and quite tightly written. It works very well. Much of the recent run in the Prog was solid too. I won't be terribly upset if it doesn't make this collection, but I'd be happy to see it in there. Shako... not so much. I mean, it's OK, but it's very much of its time. (Perhaps a 'monsters' volume could work with some Flesh — although I suspect that'll get its own book or books. Got to keep up the Mills quota, after all...)

Quote from: The Monarch on 22 April, 2020, 10:25:20 AMFlesh/shako double bill?
Shako on its own is 86 pages. Add the first two Flesh books and you're in mid 250s territory, although I've no idea how many actual pages you'd need due to double-page spreads and the like.

Quotei would love me some armoured gideon
Barney reckons the entire run is 269 pages, although 78 pages of that is the... not entirely amazing The Collector. I wonder how the strip would work from a continuity standpoint if that was omitted? (It's been a long while since I read the entire run!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 April, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
First 2 Flesh books are 165 pages according to Barney which is pretty much perfect for a single volume so I doubt we'll see Shako added there. It does seem the best choice for a classic early strip though so I'll be surprised if that's not on the list.

A "monsters" or "creature feature" volume would seem the obvious way to bundle Shako up. Not sure what other options there are though, Ant Wars?

I'm wondering how much more Sinister Dexter we're going to get. I guess a lot depends on where book 3 takes us to which we won't know until July. I'd love it if we could get enough to catch us up with the current story threads in the prog, not sure how realistic that is.

Similar question for Dredd I guess. Hoping we'll get the recent Machine Law & Guatemala as those both deserve hardback treatment.

I think we can safely assume the continuation of series started in the intial run which is 7 books worth:
Absalom
ABC Warriors (probably 2 books for the Return To stuff)
Stickleback
Strontium Dog
Dominion
Fall Of Deadworld

I'm really hoping we get another Kingdom story in the prog in time to make a 3rd Kingdom volume but I'm not sure how realistic that is.  The 2 remaining stories aren't enough to make up a volume alone.

A volume with Thistlebone in it would also be well received here. Not sure what else to bundle in with that one, more Edignton tales or other horror themed stories I guess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 22 April, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
If we were to get more Dredd I would still hope for Pirates of the Black Atlantic.

Shako is dated, I have the trade that I picked up in a charity shop. With Inferno I felt some character fates were almost like the beginning of Alien 3, throwaway being a mild way of putting it.

I'd welcome more Jaegir, and I know someone I could pass my softcover trade onto.

Robusters, having to do without the Starlord material is a significant chunk.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 April, 2020, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: sintec on 22 April, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
I think we can safely assume the continuation of series started in the intial run which is 7 books worth:
Absalom
ABC Warriors (probably 2 books for the Return To stuff)
Stickleback
Strontium Dog
Dominion
Fall Of Deadworld

I'm really hoping we get another Kingdom story in the prog in time to make a 3rd Kingdom volume but I'm not sure how realistic that is.  The 2 remaining stories aren't enough to make up a volume alone.

By your own logic, a third Kingdom book is far more likely than a second Stickleback! There are (currently) only two books remaining of each, but at least Kingdom's take the strip to an ending (even if not the ending) whereas Stickleback's left on a big ol' cliffhanger.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 April, 2020, 12:31:21 PM
I thought there was a new Stickleback scheduled for the prog in the near future?
I'm sure I saw that somewhere...  wasn't it a trailed as a Thrill of the Future recently?

Pokes around - yep looks like it was Prog 2173 https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=46320.msg1024330#msg1024330
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 April, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
But yes I concur that the last 2 book of Kingdom did feel like it drew things to a close. I'm just not sure what could they round that volume out with, a bunch of Abnett shorts? Or maybe Feral & Foe?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 April, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: sintec on 22 April, 2020, 12:09:11 PMFirst 2 Flesh books are 165 pages according to Barney which is pretty much perfect for a single volume
Albeit mostly because the 2000 AD run has tended towards thinner volumes. I recall Matt saying 200–250 was the ideal sweet spot, but some books are smaller and a few are larger. 

Dredd: I think there would need to be some of that in an extension. I'd hope this would be stuff that's solid as a standalone story and objectively really strong.

All the other continuations make sense, although I'm tired of ABC Warriors.

Quote from: Jade Falcon on 22 April, 2020, 12:21:23 PMRobusters, having to do without the Starlord material is a significant chunk.
To my mind, it makes the volume broadly irrelevant. The Ro-Busters Starlord stuff is the best stuff, although, frankly, it is very much of its time. If it's a choice between that and something more modern (or just objectively better), I really hope Matt goes for the latter.

Quote from: sintec on 22 April, 2020, 12:33:11 PMBut yes I concur that the last 2 book of Kingdom did feel like it drew things to a close. I'm just not sure what could they round that volume out with, a bunch of Abnett shorts? Or maybe Feral & Foe?
I'd sooner they didn't add Feral & Foe to that particular mix. I don't see it as an especially good match, but mostly I wouldn't be keen because F&F is clearly just getting started. (That said, if the choice is that or no Kingdom, I would plump for F&F.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 April, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
I like the collector strand of armoured gideon

i think the third sin/dex volume is gonna be the remaining downlode tales stuff and maybe the few aftermath stories like the first mangapore one?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 April, 2020, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 22 April, 2020, 01:12:53 PMI like the collector strand of armoured gideon
Like I said, it's been a while since I read it. In all honesty, I don't think AG in general is a tier-one thrill. There are likely better candidates to fill these books. But it'd also be nice to have a few more outliers in the collection, rather than yet more of the usual suspects. Plus Simon Jacob's robot design (and art in general) was lovely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 April, 2020, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 April, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: sintec on 22 April, 2020, 12:09:11 PMFirst 2 Flesh books are 165 pages according to Barney which is pretty much perfect for a single volume
Albeit mostly because the 2000 AD run has tended towards thinner volumes. I recall Matt saying 200–250 was the ideal sweet spot, but some books are smaller and a few are larger. 

Very true.  My counts are based purely off the number of pages of strip so I'd expect them to be somewhat short of the actual page counts per volume (most volumes have a few intro pages, 2-3 covers, and a short article on top of the strips).  It's also falls over for stuff like the recent ABC Warriors volumes which come up very short using this metric. As I understand it we're getting the trade versions of those books which had extra content so the strip count from Barney isn't a reliable proxy for the page count in the Hachette reprints.

I was going to post a graph showing the distribution but for some reason it's refusing to upload from this machine; I'll try again later.  Anyway the short version is the counts were much more predictable for the Mega Collection books, most were between 180-220 (which probably aligns with Matt's count of 200-250 pages per book once you add the extra bits).  The Ultimate Collection has a lot more variance and several volumes below 170 which was the minimum in the Mega Collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 April, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
The Order's page total from Barney come square in on 250 - I'd love to see that included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 April, 2020, 04:18:43 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 22 April, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
The Order's page total from Barney come square in on 250 - I'd love to see that included.

That's one I'd be tempted to get. Having all that lush John Burns lovelyness and that K-Wek madness in one lovely bound volume would be very tempting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 22 April, 2020, 11:13:23 PM
Bit more left field - Revamped Robo-Hunter is 285 pages

Even if it was just the Jose Casanovas strips (seem to remember they looked lovely) that's 159 pages.
84 Anthony Williams pages too

Brigand Doom - 157 pages. Lots of specials appearances on top of this

Another one for the horror edition - Silo....

The Red Seas has 703 pages - what's that four volumes?


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 April, 2020, 03:24:38 AM
I think we'll never ever see that version of robohunter reprinted anywhere
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 23 April, 2020, 05:54:17 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 22 April, 2020, 11:13:23 PM
The Red Seas has 703 pages - what's that four volumes?

I think that's 685 pages (or 708 if you count the covers as well). Barney has the count wrong on Twilight of the Idols and Beautiful Freak.

(https://i.imgur.com/MLDmIac.png)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 April, 2020, 10:22:02 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 22 April, 2020, 11:13:23 PMBit more left field - Revamped Robo-Hunter is 285 pages
Some of the art is great, but I really really hope that doesn't make the collection. The Hogan/Hughes stuff was fab, but Millar's homophobic bullshit can remain in the past.

Brigand Doom and Silo I guess kind of sit alongside Armoured Gideon as third-tier thrills, although for me the imagination of the latter (notably in design, but the scripts were also a bit out there) better those other strips, which were knock-offs of V and Die Hard.

QuoteThe Red Seas has 703 pages - what's that four volumes?
I'd love to see that in full HC. But even three volumes in a 30-volume extension seems heavy for a relatively niche story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 April, 2020, 10:33:22 AM
Yep, as soon as we start including the likes of Ant Wars, Brigand Doom or Millar's Robohunter, we can no longer call this 'The Ultimate Collection.'
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 April, 2020, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 April, 2020, 10:33:22 AM
Yep, as soon as we start including the likes of Ant Wars, Brigand Doom or Millar's Robohunter, we can no longer call this 'The Ultimate Collection.'

Hey leave Ant Wars out of this, I love Ant Wars - my favourite GFD strip as I've said on far too many occasions.

I actually like Brigand Doom - for all its diminishing returns - too, though I won't fight you over that. I will fight you over Ant Wars...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 April, 2020, 11:26:57 AM
I, for one, have had more than enough Robo-Hunter.  Of all the volumes in the series those have been the only ones that I've not enjoyed.  Verdus was good and the ending was ok but book 2 would probably be my pick for worst book of the set. If the reboot stories aren't top-draw thrills then I'd really rather they left it at 3 books and gave us something else (especially if it's humour is going to rely on homophobic/racist tropes).

Red Seas gets my vote though - I've not read it but from discussions here and a bit of googling it sounds great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 April, 2020, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 April, 2020, 10:33:22 AMYep, as soon as we start including the likes of Ant Wars, Brigand Doom or Millar's Robohunter, we can no longer call this 'The Ultimate Collection.'
To some degree, it's down to subjective versus objective quality, with a nod to completing key series. I don't think anyone would argue that all of Sláine is top-tier, but once the decision was made for that series to be included in its entirety, the 'objective' side of things became irrelevant.

But that's not the case elsewhere. I'm not keen on certain included strips, but the quality level on average has been much higher than for the Dredd run, where there were well over a dozen books that genuinely baffled me in their existence. My hope is that the extension keeps the quality level objectively high, but also broadens out what's included in a meaningful manner.

Quote from: sintec on 23 April, 2020, 11:26:57 AM
I, for one, have had more than enough Robo-Hunter.  Of all the volumes in the series those have been the only ones that I've not enjoyed.  Verdus was good and the ending was ok but book 2 would probably be my pick for worst book of the set.
Football Crazy is one I've not read in a long time, and I wasn't a fan, to say the least. I do recall the strips in the third volume quite fondly, but...

QuoteIf the reboot stories aren't top-draw thrills then I'd really rather they left it at 3 books and gave us something else (especially if it's humour is going to rely on homophobic/racist tropes).
Some of the reboot is among the worst stuff 2000 AD put out during its darkest era. I would be genuinely amazed if these strips saw the light of day again. I'm not OK with some of the dodgy racial stereotypes in e.g. classic Dredd, but the Millar stuff was beyond the pale. Again, it's a pity there was no space for the Hogan/Hughes run, which was mostly rather good. But it's not good enough to warrant an entire book of reboot material. (And, let's face it, the Samantha Slade stuff never went anywhere, and was piss-poor as well.)

QuoteRed Seas gets my vote though - I've not read it but from discussions here and a bit of googling it sounds great.
I really need to do a re-read of that. It suffered badly from big gaps in publication, but as a whole should stand up as a pretty exciting pulp fantasy romp.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 April, 2020, 12:00:15 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 April, 2020, 11:43:02 AM

QuoteRed Seas gets my vote though - I've not read it but from discussions here and a bit of googling it sounds great.
I really need to do a re-read of that. It suffered badly from big gaps in publication, but as a whole should stand up as a pretty exciting pulp fantasy romp.

I did a re-read a few years ago and loved it. Was very tempted to buy the digital collections as it seemed clear there wasn't a phyisical option anytime soon. So hopefully the Ultimate Collection can prove our salvation as I think this will be a magnificent story to have in a nice neat set of collections. Brilliant action adventure romp in the very best Ray Harryhausen style by a consist and wonderful creative team. What's not to love!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 23 April, 2020, 07:20:17 PM
Another volume of 'Stickleback' would be good for me. Would also like to see 'Defoe' and 'The Order' get the same treatment. Really curious to see what makes it into the final 30 book selection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 April, 2020, 07:31:53 PM
I don't care for Defoe, but will be amazed if it doesn't make it in. Again, the repro is done, and this collection seems to love Mills.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 April, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
Uploaded that graph of page counts so I could share it here.  These are largely based off the page counts on Barney.  The exceptions being that I got annoyed by the recent Langley volumes all being low outliers becuase of the additional double page spreads. I did a page count of the strip pages in those volumes which bumps them up into the low end of the bell curve.

(https://imgur.com/QnE8QGO.png)

And in case any one is interested this is an estimation of the % of the stories from each prog that have been included across the 2 collections. It doesn't look at the relative page counts of those stories so something like Sooner or Later is considered an equal % of the prog as a 5-6 pager.

(https://imgur.com/FgeVd4e.png)

These graphs are based off data up to Issue 68 as that's the most recent one I have a strip list for.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 23 April, 2020, 09:26:38 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 23 April, 2020, 05:54:17 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 22 April, 2020, 11:13:23 PM
The Red Seas has 703 pages - what's that four volumes?
I think that's 685 pages (or 708 if you count the covers as well). Barney has the count wrong on Twilight of the Idols and Beautiful Freak.
Dunno what you're talking about ... The Red Seas (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=2000AD&choice=redseas)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 24 April, 2020, 01:38:14 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 April, 2020, 11:43:02 AM

QuoteIf the reboot stories aren't top-draw thrills then I'd really rather they left it at 3 books and gave us something else (especially if it's humour is going to rely on homophobic/racist tropes).
Some of the reboot is among the worst stuff 2000 AD put out during its darkest era. I would be genuinely amazed if these strips saw the light of day again. I'm not OK with some of the dodgy racial stereotypes in e.g. classic Dredd, but the Millar stuff was beyond the pale. Again, it's a pity there was no space for the Hogan/Hughes run, which was mostly rather good. But it's not good enough to warrant an entire book of reboot material. (And, let's face it, the Samantha Slade stuff never went anywhere, and was piss-poor as well.)

Don't remember too much. Remember a bit of  Return to Verdus story that I seem to recall was a bit of a romp, although at the time I didn't appreciate what had happened to Cutie.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KITkRuFimmw/VbvHgQUk-YI/AAAAAAAAC0Y/kLL7r-210Xo/s640/muderous%2Bcutie.jpg)

But the artistry was beautiful. That's the main draw for me.

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/729.jpg)

The Williams stuff was more workmanlike. And the story where there were multiple Sams was crap.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 24 April, 2020, 12:20:02 PM
Just had an update from FP on the delays to the remaining Dante's 🙁 August now to get to the end just finished reading 7 and really enjoying the complete read through from the start of this character
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 April, 2020, 01:38:49 PM
I don't know anything about this 'dark period' of 2000ad. As I have said before, I stopped reading, at a guess before Hitman Rogue. I know that's not an exact time but it was post classic era, when they tried the peace treaty and before that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 April, 2020, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Trooper McFad on 24 April, 2020, 12:20:02 PM
Just had an update from FP on the delays to the remaining Dante's 🙁 August now to get to the end just finished reading 7 and really enjoying the complete read through from the start of this character

Yeah got that 1st week in July for volume 8 and then mid August for the final volume. I'll settle for that. Especially since I got a similar one form them for volume 7 and it arrived a fair bit earlier. The only thing I'll feel bad about is if my nerd shop is open by then I could have ordered from them, but this is the one thing I wasn't prepared to take a risk on!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 27 April, 2020, 12:27:08 AM
Haven't opened my Dante's yet. Read the first 4(ish) books before so looking forward to finding out how things developed. Even got original Simon Fraser artwork from the first book on my wall.


235 pages of Lobster Random as well

125 Bec N kawl, but that wasn't really for me.

Was this Grey Area any good? Seemed to run for a while.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 April, 2020, 06:15:21 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 27 April, 2020, 12:27:08 AM
Was this Grey Area any good? Seemed to run for a while.

Its had its ups and down but laterly its been very good.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 April, 2020, 10:27:49 AM
Lobster Random was good, but did it ever reach the end? (I vaguely remember that it stopped just before what looked like a final series.) Bec & Kawl already in trade. It's fine, but I'm not sure that's needed in the UC.

Grey Area's an odd one. When it's good, it's really good. The art is often fantastic, too. But it's laced with an oddly sexist streak throughout that I find very odd, not least coming from Abnett.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 April, 2020, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 April, 2020, 10:27:49 AM
Lobster Random was good, but did it ever reach the end?

No, but it doesn't really matter - collect the first three series together, and, like the Stickleback volume, you have a nice little trilogy and an ending (even if not the ending).

Be nice to have some Spurrier in the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 April, 2020, 10:37:26 AM
Would need The Vort also, presumably, or can that just be cut out without any issues?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 April, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
No, that's the thing - series 3 ended with a successful heist and Lob and Klik jetting off into the sunset with the ill-gotten loot. Besides a little coda where [spoiler]the Lobster Elder-God threatened escape[/spoiler], there were no loose ends at all by that point. Perfect for a one-off volume, in my eyes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 27 April, 2020, 11:47:06 PM
The Vcs will be in the extention surely?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 April, 2020, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 27 April, 2020, 11:47:06 PM
The Vcs will be in the extention surely?

No one knows for sure at this point.  But if they're looking for some early material to include then VCs and Flesh seem like the obvious choices to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 30 April, 2020, 03:17:18 PM
Has anyone that gets their issues from newsagents got them lately? I'm still missing from the last Nikolai Dante onwards and hope I don't miss out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 01 May, 2020, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 30 April, 2020, 03:17:18 PM
Has anyone that gets their issues from newsagents got them lately? I'm still missing from the last Nikolai Dante onwards and hope I don't miss out.

My newsagent had the latest Dante volume on the revised issue date of April 15th. The next issue (Slaine: Book of Scars) is due on May 6th so it looks like you've only missed one, hope you track it down.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 May, 2020, 10:07:55 AM
Sub with Scars/Dante arrived today. Somehow, Scars is bashed up, despite the books' cardboard sleeve. Bah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 01 May, 2020, 12:35:17 PM
Woah that's early. I only received Rogue and Ampney last week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 May, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
I got those on 6 April. According to my schedule, today's set for me was one day early, based on the 'resets' that have occurred. Going by my original sub dates, this lot should have arrived in 27 March and 67/68 on 28 Feb. Still, I'm happy they are arriving.

Also: anyone who wants to secure copies of these books may wish to see if they can buy direct. I tried grabbing a Transformers book from Forbidden Planet, and it never showed up. FP got back to me, and said they are distributed (to them at least) by Diamond, and, well, we all know what Diamond's doing (or not). They've no idea if the books will ever arrive, and for that collection there are no direct sales from Hachette right now either. Hachette's public recommendation on Facebook was to ask a local newsagent to order a copy in, but of course they are all closed.

As ever, subscriptions tend to eradicate a big level of uncertainty.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 May, 2020, 04:12:08 PM
I reactivated my Hachette subs a month back and have had both 2000AD and Transformers now arrive, with the latter only sending one book as I was more up to date than the subscribers. But I think that will be the best way to go if you want to be sure to get the books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 May, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
I sub to 2000 AD already. With TF, I only really wanted the old Marvel stuff. I missed the G2 book, but had a pre-order on the TF movie one — but FP never got it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 04 May, 2020, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 May, 2020, 10:07:55 AM
Sub with Scars/Dante arrived today. Somehow, Scars is bashed up, despite the books' cardboard sleeve. Bah.

Same for me on Saturday. Not quite sure how far in front/behind I am. Not unwrapped Book of Scars. Not sure I ever will.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 May, 2020, 10:03:46 AM
I got the original HC of that one, and it's a surprisingly nice book, with a ton of extra art. I'm interested to see what they did with this version. I suspect the Graham Linehan page is no longer in it!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 May, 2020, 10:11:01 AM
Book Of Scars looking to be the slimmest volume in the collection!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 04 May, 2020, 10:28:26 AM
I just can't shake the feeling Zenith will be included in the extention.

Would love to see Revere get a nice HB treatment - along with Firekind & Leatherjack, too, of course.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 May, 2020, 10:36:56 AM
I just looked at Scars. It's the strips from that run plus the 40th anniversary special story about the Red Branch. The entire back section of the original HC (all the artwork etc.) is omitted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 04 May, 2020, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: karlos on 04 May, 2020, 10:28:26 AM
Would love to see Revere get a nice HB treatment - along with Firekind & Leatherjack, too, of course.

Its been said before, but can't be said enough the more shiny lovingly presented John Smith work we get the better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 May, 2020, 08:59:47 PM
Phoned Smith's again today, it's open due to having the Post Office in it. Still no joy on the Dante book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 May, 2020, 02:27:53 PM
Jade Falcon: are you cherry picking or getting them all?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 May, 2020, 05:09:38 PM
Getting them all, I wish I was in a position to cherry pick as there are certain ones I wouldn't bother with but saying that I have discovered some stuff I never knew anything about. For instance I had never read Nikolai Dante.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 May, 2020, 05:28:26 PM
Might be worth asking them what the current state of play is with a subscription, and starting from issue X.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 May, 2020, 08:53:16 PM
Well I've got all the books so far, and as to a subscription, after hearing the problems people are having with damaged deliveries, no thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 07 May, 2020, 01:31:55 AM
With Forbidden Planet not getting any stock in I called Hachette andvrestarted my Transformers subscription (Still had the UC sub active as I want the premium figures).

Gotta say the new customer services team is miles better than last time I called, which I think was to cancel Transformers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 May, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
The Facebook lot are good, for sure. When I messaged the TF team, they said they'd investigate on my behalf re FP, which was a bit above and beyond. (Although they just came back today and said they're still investigating. The answer is of course: Diamond. Hachette really did pick a great time for those 'warehouse moves'...)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 07 May, 2020, 03:43:58 PM
to be fair to them its not like they could see the covid coming
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 May, 2020, 04:19:16 PM
Oh, sure — it's just terrible timing. And not having access to your stock for an indeterminate period when you cannot access a product in stores is a very bad place to be in as a publisher.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 13 May, 2020, 06:57:14 PM
Covers for the next five issues are on Forbidden Planets site.

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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 May, 2020, 12:23:18 AM
So this Savage is just going to be Taking Liberties, no incorporating The Guv'nor as well.  I was hoping we would get some of the stuff that was released after those two trades.  Its obvious that there's more as noted on Wikipedia.

I would, like others I'm sure, like to get an idea of what is going to be in the extension, even if its like "x" number of Dredd books, with no further details.  At the same time I can't think in what might be included as my knowledge is of older strips.  Maybe Harry 20 on the High Rock (which I have) might be on it, included with the sequel story that was printed later.  Flesh has been mentioned but the phone book size one had books 1 and 2 as well as what looked like an some later print stories and one I remember as an annual story.

Can someone tell me, were Mach 1 and Mach Zero originally 2000ad properties or someone elses.  I don't really know much about them except if I remember right Mach 1 was like a British Bionic man, and zero was an Incredible Hulk type.  The former seemed a popular type of story in that era, like the Manix story in the reprint Eagle.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 14 May, 2020, 08:29:37 AM
Mach 1 and Mach Zero were created for 2000AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 14 May, 2020, 09:28:35 AM
And both Mach 1 and Mach Zero will be coming up on the podcast next week with Conrad from SpaceSpinner2000
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 May, 2020, 01:42:18 PM
Given that they exist in SC, it wouldn't surprise me of those books make it to the extension. However, if so then I _really_ hope we get things like Firekind. It would be a missed opportunity if we basically got a HC clone set of existing Rebellion books rather than some new things as well. Plus, frankly, Mach 1 does not hold up well, beyond possibly twanging some people's nostalgia glands.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 14 May, 2020, 03:34:45 PM
It is strange they haven't announced any of the extension, with the judge dredd collection they announced almost everything a lot earlier
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 14 May, 2020, 03:43:39 PM
Personally, I think we've had more than enough of the nostalgia thrills in this collection.
I'd prefer the extension to stick to Rebellion/Matt Smith era stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 May, 2020, 03:45:28 PM
I wouldn't go that far. That would remove any chance of Firekind/Indigo Prime, for example. But I don't think we really need to mine yet more half-arsed stuff from 2000 AD's early days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 May, 2020, 05:42:20 PM
There's enough Savage to potentially do another 3 books.  2nd book would most likely be identical to The Guv'nor trade then we'd be getting stuff that hasn't made it into trades yet in the last 2. No idea if that's likely to make it into the extension or not, although I guess The Guv'nor material is probably a safeish bet.

The current run focussed pretty heavily on the Golden Age material, I don't think there's much left from the 200-500 era. We've had comparable little material from Progs 700-1000 but from what I hear that's mostly a good thing. Other than those exceptions I think it's been a fairly even spread across the ages and I hope the extension continues that trend.

I think it's a fairly safe bet we'll get continuations of series where we're a book or 2 short of having complete(ish) runs: ABC Warriors, Absalom, Strontium Dog, Dominion, Fall Of Deadworld.

The remainder of Kingdom and Stickleback would also be good (there's not enough of either to fill a whole book at the moment but I believe Stickleback is due back in the Prog soon which might round that one out and there's always the option to pad things out with some Future Shocks or equivalent).

I'd be surprised if we don't see Brink and Jaegir and if there aren't at least a couple more Sinister Dexter and Dredd volumes.  What else we get is much more speculative and I'm really surprised they've not been dropping at least a few hints on the FB page.

Personally I'd like to see a few creator focussed volumes with some self contained stories, Ian Edington and John Smith being obvious candidates for that treatment. I also wonder if they're going to try and squeeze things like the new parts of Aquilla in, not sure how that'd work though as I doubt there'll be enough for another book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 May, 2020, 07:17:38 PM
Harry 20 isn't bad, bar some of the laughable names, but the trade I've got was a US print as at the time there wasn't a UK edition. That might have changed.

At the same time there's no sense calling this the ultimate collection if it's all newish stuff but I agree some older material doesn't date well. Hell,compare Invasion to the later Savage in terms of 'atmosphere'. Invasion comes off as Red Dawn UK edition albeit a no brain enjoyable read.

I wouldn't mind Leviathan but to be honest I've not read it so I'm thinking of what I've heard about it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 May, 2020, 07:47:38 PM
Leviathan is wonderful. I've no idea what you'd pair it with, mind. (The original strip runs to just 55 pages. Even with the two extra episodes, that's still only 65. Perhaps a horror-themed book?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 May, 2020, 08:16:38 PM
The rest of stickleback maybe? though that would leave a huge ass cliffhanger
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 May, 2020, 08:20:06 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 May, 2020, 07:47:38 PM
Leviathan is wonderful. I've no idea what you'd pair it with, mind. (The original strip runs to just 55 pages. Even with the two extra episodes, that's still only 65. Perhaps a horror-themed book?)

Necronauts, for starters; maybe A Love Like Blood, or Cradlegrave. From Grace, Stone Island... There's actually quite a few 'orphan' horror series not quite long enough for their own book!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 May, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
A compilation of 2 or 3 horror stories would be great. That or a creator themed volume with some other short self contained Edington tales.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 May, 2020, 02:18:45 PM
For those concerned about missing out, the website is live again, and lists stock from issue 67 through 70. (Nothing for 62–66, for whatever reason.)

https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection?sortOrder=&size=200&loading=true
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 20 May, 2020, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 May, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
A compilation of 2 or 3 horror stories would be great. That or a creator themed volume with some other short self contained Edington tales.

Brings Silo and Brigand Doom back into play
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 May, 2020, 03:37:05 PM
Yeah good to see the shop back and restocked by the look. Volumes that had previously been sold out seem to be back, though some have warnings of limited stock and there is the odd one still sold out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 May, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
I imagine there's a reasonable chance 62–66 might rock up at some point, once store stock is returned. Hard to tell these days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 20 May, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
I would love to see Brigand Doom reprinted in its entirety.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 20 May, 2020, 06:12:57 PM
It's a whalloping great ask, but does anyone know where I'd find a Nicolai Dante Vol 6 (No 62 or 77 or sumfink!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 May, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 20 May, 2020, 06:12:57 PM
It's a whalloping great ask, but does anyone know where I'd find a Nicolai Dante Vol 6 (No 62 or 77 or sumfink!)

If you struggle getting this Pete come back to me in a few days / weeks (hopefully) I had it on order at my nerd shop but when that closed I got the fear and ordered it from Forbidden Planet. So there is a decent chance I have two copies, but I don't know and I don't have access to the second one - assuming I have it - yet.

They have sent a list of stuff they expect to get from Diamond a week or so ago and it wasn't on that list, but I'm not sure how the distribution will work. If you're struggling to get it I'll e-mail them and ask so we know one way or the other.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 May, 2020, 08:06:27 PM
By coincidence, I double-bought that one in error, and so if you need one, Pete, holler and we can sort something. DM me an email and I can send over pics of the book so you can see it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Pete Wells on 21 May, 2020, 09:29:56 AM
Thanks lads, you are super kind! I'll be in touch!

Colin, I'll go with Indigo if that's okay as a) he's already got the book and b) you smell of yeast.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 May, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 21 May, 2020, 09:29:56 AM
Colin, I'll go with Indigo if that's okay as a) he's already got the book and b) you smell of yeast.

Yes of course go with Indigo as I'm only a maybe.

As for the yeast I've tried washing with soap and everything - just won't go away... I've decided to move to a brewery to disguise therefore.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 May, 2020, 05:07:36 PM
Phoned my newsagent today, they've got issue 70 in which if I remember right is either a Alaine book or future shocks, no sign of 69 or 71, however it's something. Been reading a lot of graphic novels lately, my Dragon Age and Mass Effect library editions as well as the Space 1999 ones to name a few.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 May, 2020, 05:48:49 PM
70 is a Slaine - Book Of Scars
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 May, 2020, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 21 May, 2020, 05:07:36 PM
Phoned my newsagent today, they've got issue 70 in which if I remember right is either a Alaine book or future shocks, no sign of 69 or 71, however it's something.

All release dates from vol. 70 onwards have been revised; Durham Red (71) is now due out next Wednesday, so you've not missed anything.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 May, 2020, 10:45:44 PM
Well I haven't had the last Nikolai Dante, but I can hope they get it in.  I still wish we had an idea as to what the extension might consist of.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 24 May, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
If anyone has a copy of Dante vol 6 they want to sell, please give me a shout! Ta!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 27 May, 2020, 10:24:19 AM
So I asked again about the extension and here's what they said!

QuoteHey Dan,
Here is a list of the issues which will feature in the extension, please take into account that the issue order is subject to change, however:
81 - Flesh
82 - Firekind
83 - The Red Seas
84 - Lobster Random
85 - Savage:  The Guv'nor
86 - Ten-Seconders
87 - The Red Seas Vol 2
88 - Brink
89 - Fiends of the Eastern Front
90 - Greysuit
91 - VCs
92 - Indigo Prime
93 - The Red Seas Vol 3
94 - Dominion
95 - Savage:  Rise Like Lions
96 - Jaegir
97 - Grey Area
98 - Defoe
99 - Inigo Prime Vol 2
100 - VC's Vol 2
101 - The Red Seas Vol 4
102 - Mercy Heights
103 - Absalom
104 - Brink Vol 2
105 - The Order
106 - Grey Area Vol 2
107 - Defoe Vol 2
108 - Tales of Telguuth
109 - Tyranny Rex
110 - Judge Dredd:  the Small House
111 - Strontium Dog:  Repo Men
Hope this helps!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 May, 2020, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: oddballuk on 27 May, 2020, 10:24:19 AM
So I asked again about the extension and here's what they said!

Whoah. I'm pretty excited about quite a lot of that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 27 May, 2020, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: oddballuk on 27 May, 2020, 10:24:19 AM
So I asked again about the extension and here's what they said!

QuoteHey Dan,
Here is a list of the issues which will feature in the extension, please take into account that the issue order is subject to change, however:
81 - Flesh
82 - Firekind
83 - The Red Seas
84 - Lobster Random
85 - Savage:  The Guv'nor
86 - Ten-Seconders
87 - The Red Seas Vol 2
88 - Brink
89 - Fiends of the Eastern Front
90 - Greysuit
91 - VCs
92 - Indigo Prime
93 - The Red Seas Vol 3
94 - Dominion
95 - Savage:  Rise Like Lions
96 - Jaegir
97 - Grey Area
98 - Defoe
99 - Inigo Prime Vol 2
100 - VC's Vol 2
101 - The Red Seas Vol 4
102 - Mercy Heights
103 - Absalom
104 - Brink Vol 2
105 - The Order
106 - Grey Area Vol 2
107 - Defoe Vol 2
108 - Tales of Telguuth
109 - Tyranny Rex
110 - Judge Dredd:  the Small House
111 - Strontium Dog:  Repo Men
Hope this helps!

Thanks for the info!

Looking forward to so much of this! Especially the chance to finally get to read Firekind, and get caught up on Indigo Prime, which I remember loving when I was first reading 2000AD.

The inclusion of Brink is also great news, as I've been looking to get caught up with that series as well.

Anyone any idea how they will pad out The Small House? Might they include Titan?





Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:36:59 AM
FIREKIND GET THE FUCK IN
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 27 May, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:36:59 AM
FIREKIND GET THE FUCK IN

So, its a bit good then?  :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 27 May, 2020, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: Rately on 27 May, 2020, 10:35:48 AM
Thanks for the info!

Looking forward to so much of this! Especially the chance to finally get to read Firekind, and get caught up on Indigo Prime, which I remember loving when I was first reading 2000AD.

The inclusion of Brink is also great news, as I've been looking to get caught up with that series as well.

Anyone any idea how they will pad out The Small House? Might they include Titan?

Titan was included in the Judge Dredd collection but Enceladus wasn't so that ought to make up the page count with the Small House.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: oddballuk on 27 May, 2020, 10:40:46 AM
Just noticed that they gave me a list up to volume 111 so that's 31 issues instead of 30?

I'm not complaining though!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:43:14 AM
Er, and now for a slightly more measured response. Ahem. So for me personally, that's a pretty fine ratio of good to not good. I don't care for Greysuit at all, and can take or leave VCs. I'm also a bit hmmm about The Order, since it's an ongoing, so we'll end up with Billy Half a Story. But:

— Firekind in HC. And it's not big enough to fill a book, so that means... something else? Leatherjack?
— The COMPLETE Red Seas in HC. YASSSSS
— Lobster Random, which was fun and bonkers, and had only a tiny chunk in HC before
— More Savage, which is my favourite modern Mills effort, so, yeah, good
— Brink, which is brilliant; not sure how much they can squeeze into these three vols, mind
— Indigo Prime AND Tyranny Rex, obliterating my fears this extension would omit John Smith fare
— Jaegir in HC — fuck yeah!
— Fiends in HC — ditto
— Ten-Seconders — MWAH
— More Absalom

Mercy Heights is the one real oddball here. It was a strange strip at the time, and only for me really become something interesting when [spoiler]Tor Cyan buggered off on his own[/spoiler]. Could be a really good excuse to reprint Medivac, if it's an ER in space issue.

Anyway, yes, very happy with this. Thank you, Matt Smith (assuming you compiled this list), and I really hope the first two books don't change in the sort order, because that means Firekind HC around Sept/Oct.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:48:35 AM
Quote from: Rately on 27 May, 2020, 10:38:15 AMSo, its a bit good then?  :lol:
Everyone has their favourites. Firekind is one of mind — a beautifully designed and written piece of storytelling by John Smith and Paul Marshall, which was subsequently pillaged by James Cameron for Avatar. Firekind was, however, described by Matt Smith in a podcast as one of those 'awkward' strips that doesn't really fit very well into reprint. Looking at Barney, it's 78 pages, which would just about make it work as a skinny Rebellion trade — but it almost certainly lacks pulling power on its own. (To date, the only reprint version is in Rebellion's Extreme Edition reprint comic, years back.) But as a spot in a partwork, it makes perfect sense.

Also, looking at Barney, the strip ran from #828–840. Although not quite surrounded by dross — it started when the reasonable Kano and fun Armoured Gideon Book 2 were running — it did help offset the stink of Purgatory and some seriously dodgy Dredd.

Speaking of, the one omission from that list I'd loved to have seen in there: Armoured Gideon. Ah well. Perhaps one day I'll make my own custom HC of that...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 27 May, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: oddballuk on 27 May, 2020, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: Rately on 27 May, 2020, 10:35:48 AM
Thanks for the info!

Looking forward to so much of this! Especially the chance to finally get to read Firekind, and get caught up on Indigo Prime, which I remember loving when I was first reading 2000AD.

The inclusion of Brink is also great news, as I've been looking to get caught up with that series as well.

Anyone any idea how they will pad out The Small House? Might they include Titan?

Titan was included in the Judge Dredd collection but Enceladus wasn't so that ought to make up the page count with the Small House.

Thanks!

Loved the Small House, and looking forward to seeing the majority of the storyline collected together, in a lovely HC edition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 27 May, 2020, 10:58:01 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:48:35 AM
Quote from: Rately on 27 May, 2020, 10:38:15 AMSo, its a bit good then?  :lol:
Everyone has their favourites. Firekind is one of mind — a beautifully designed and written piece of storytelling by John Smith and Paul Marshall, which was subsequently pillaged by James Cameron for Avatar. Firekind was, however, described by Matt Smith in a podcast as one of those 'awkward' strips that doesn't really fit very well into reprint. Looking at Barney, it's 78 pages, which would just about make it work as a skinny Rebellion trade — but it almost certainly lacks pulling power on its own. (To date, the only reprint version is in Rebellion's Extreme Edition reprint comic, years back.) But as a spot in a partwork, it makes perfect sense.

Also, looking at Barney, the strip ran from #828–840. Although not quite surrounded by dross — it started when the reasonable Kano and fun Armoured Gideon Book 2 were running — it did help offset the stink of Purgatory and some seriously dodgy Dredd.

Speaking of, the one omission from that list I'd loved to have seen in there: Armoured Gideon. Ah well. Perhaps one day I'll make my own custom HC of that...

I remember a great blog piece about the similarities between it and Avatar. The art looked great, so really looking forward to reading it, and I love John Smith, so seeing some of his stuff being reprinted is exciting.

And I second the love for Armoured Gideon! Loved the art on that, and it was suitably weird.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 May, 2020, 11:00:58 AM
Well that is a damn fine list, better than I could have hoped for, to be honest. I'd suggested the likes of Lobster Random, The Order, Indigo Prime, but in my heart thought they'd be passed over for the likes of more Dredd. Plus I'm getting my two HCs of Defoe!

Only slight dissapointment is the lack of continuing volumes - Kingdom, for instance, and ABC Warriors. But even there, we do at least get thd final S/D volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 May, 2020, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:43:14 AMCould be a really good excuse to reprint Medivac

Very unlikely. ISTR when Hilary Robinson parted company with the House of Tharg, she got the rights to all her stories back*.

*For values of "back" that encompass "you can't really give back what you never legally owned in the first place", depending on exactly whose version of events you prefer.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 May, 2020, 11:04:42 AM
I am very happy with that list
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 May, 2020, 11:14:09 AM
What you can't see is me running around work (i.e. today our bedroom) punching the air screaming

YESYESYESYESYEYEYEYSYEYYES

Cos we're getting a Red Seas set to sit alongside the Nikolai Dante set in hardcover. I'm sooooo chuffed!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 27 May, 2020, 11:00:58 AMOnly slight dissapointment is the lack of continuing volumes - Kingdom, for instance, and ABC Warriors. But even there, we do at least get thd final S/D volume.
Kingdom: yeah. ABC Warriors... I dunno. I've had enough of that, frankly. Happy to let that slide. Plus they're all in HC elsewhere anyway, albeit in a different size format.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 May, 2020, 11:03:55 AMVery unlikely. ISTR when Hilary Robinson parted company with the House of Tharg, she got the rights to all her stories back.
Ah, good point—I'd forgot about that. Mind you, perhaps she's permit reprint now, given that 2000 AD is a very different entity to then, assuming she has no plans for the strip itself. (She wouldn't have to relinquish rights; would be easy enough to do a single-use thing.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 27 May, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
Two things from me on this - one I just ordered the Durham Red book! Woo and indeed Hoo! Not read these stories in a long time.

Secondly - in Repomen - I wonder if this edition will include the last Carlos story as well?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 27 May, 2020, 11:48:01 AM
Really happy with the extension especially red seas
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 27 May, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
Just noticed issue 111 strontium dog, I thought it was extended to 110 so has it been extended further
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 May, 2020, 12:29:06 PM
The other big question is what the content of the Flesh volume will be. Very happy with the current edition I own but depending on what else is included - assuming of course Books 1 and 2 are in it might make this a purchase.

Tempted by Brink as well but since that's ongoing shame it won't be a complete - no ones fault but stops that one being an instant buy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 27 May, 2020, 12:39:10 PM
Wow, a great selection of stuff for the extension. 111 volumes though? Will there be more?

Really pleased they're giving John Smith a chunk of it, not before time - Leatherjack would fit nicely with Firekind, although personally, as I already have a trade of Leatherjack, I'd love to see Revere paired up with it.

Has Tyranny Rex ever been collected in trade before?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 May, 2020, 12:58:16 PM
Wow that's a cracking list. 

Sad we're not getting the end of Kingdom or Stickleback - guess I'll have to get the standard trades to round those out.  No more Sinister Dexter which feels like a shame, especially as that's unavailable elsewhere (although I note there's been a chunk reprinted in the Meg over the years so maybe I'll grab those from the digital sale when it gets to the relevant years). And only 1 more Dredd is a surprise, I guess they didn't want to canibalise the normal trade sales too much but it would have been nice to have Guatemala and Machine Law in a HC edition.

Really happy to see 2 volumes of Brink. I'm hoping they can do 2 arcs per book so we can get everything to date.  I think those should fit according to Barney it'd be:
Vol1: Brink (75) + Skeleton Life (90) = 165
Vol2: High Society (100) + Hate Box (101) = 201

I'm excited to read Red Seas, Firekind and Indigo Prime - it seems these are really highly regarded by many on here so I have high expectations.

And called it on the early stuff with Flesh, VCs and Fiends all making the cut.

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 27 May, 2020, 12:29:06 PM
The other big question is what the content of the Flesh volume will be. Very happy with the current edition I own but depending on what else is included - assuming of course Books 1 and 2 are in it might make this a purchase.

Based on strip page counts Books 1 and 2 would be my expectation. Book 1 is 87 pages and book 2 is 78 giving us 165 pages of strip which will fit nicely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 May, 2020, 01:38:01 PM
Well done that man for keeping on asking! An excellent bit of news. Sad there's no War Machine though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 27 May, 2020, 02:08:23 PM
I think it will only be the four volumes of 'The Red Seas' for me out of this extension as it will be the complete story. I would have picked up 'Defoe' and 'The Order' but they will not be covering everything that's out there. Similarly, a little disappointed 'Stickleback' did not make it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 27 May, 2020, 12:39:10 PMHas Tyranny Rex ever been collected in trade before?
Not that I'm aware of. It got some reprint in magazines though, and a pseudo trade from Fleetway Quality (with a truly risible, sexist cover (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=reprint&page=usprofiles&Comic=trex)).

Quote from: Tomwe on 27 May, 2020, 01:38:01 PMWell done that man for keeping on asking! An excellent bit of news. Sad there's no War Machine though.
I'm more surprised than sad. Perhaps the repro is a nightmare, or Tharg's already happy with the existing War Machine trades in the wild. I dunno.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 27 May, 2020, 02:57:01 PM
Very happy with that. There's stuff I would have liked to see make it (more Kingdom, Summer Magic) but hard to know what I'd omit in their favour (especially as I'm not familiar with all of these titles)

Nice to see Savage move beyond the current trades as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 May, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
Perhaps the repro is a nightmare, or Tharg's already happy with the existing War Machine trades in the wild. I dunno.
The print version has been unavailable for such a long time, I really hoped it would pop up here as it hits the sweet spot for me nostalgia wise (even if not for everyone's quality standard).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 May, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
a pseudo trade from Fleetway Quality (with a truly risible, sexist cover (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=reprint&page=usprofiles&Comic=trex)).

Wow that's pretty awful. Seems someone thought "what'll get the target audiences attention? I know boobs - yep that'll do it".  Classy, not.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 May, 2020, 03:34:25 PM
thats not a good tyranny cover shes not even green for godsakes? :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 27 May, 2020, 05:53:36 PM
No more Slaine, must be fake lol

As a lapsed reader since the nineties there's a lot of stuff in the extension I've never read so looking forward to these.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 07:44:24 PM
One thing I'm finding interesting about this collection is that, for the most part, even the content I'm not personally keen on is objectively good. That was less the case for the Dredd collection (where multiple editorials would basically admit the book you'd paid ten quid for was shit). I hope this extension succeeds, too. It feels like the first 80 books were the "heavy hitters", and now we're into the best kind of fan service, digging deeper into 2000 AD's history to unearth top-quality strips that don't happen to have a big brand.

Also, I was going to do a bit Red Seas re-read with my digital copies. I'm tempted now to just hang on until next year and read the entire thing in glorious HC. Thanks to whoever compiled this list (Matt?), because it's fab. (Also, the 111 is an oddity. Perhaps that's just the final decision on length. Or perhaps it'll do a Marvel and continue on a bit further.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rs_jr on 27 May, 2020, 08:54:03 PM
i wish they could've squeezed two volumes of Finn into the extension:(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 May, 2020, 09:05:40 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 07:44:24 PM
One thing I'm finding interesting about this collection is that, for the most part, even the content I'm not personally keen on is objectively good.

Yup, that's a great point. Various books that have made me think 'Nope, not for me' but not one that prompted 'That? What the hell were they thinking?'
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 May, 2020, 10:24:32 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 07:44:24 PM
Also, the 111 is an oddity. Perhaps that's just the final decision on length. Or perhaps it'll do a Marvel and continue on a bit further.

As long as they can keep the quality up I'm game. There are still going to be some loose ends to wrap up when we hit 111. I notice there's no more Fall Of Deadworld on the list for example, which is a shame as there's easily another books worth of that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 27 May, 2020, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: oddballuk on 27 May, 2020, 10:24:19 AM
So I asked again about the extension and here's what they said!

QuoteHey Dan,
Here is a list of the issues which will feature in the extension, please take into account that the issue order is subject to change, however:
81 - Flesh
82 - Firekind
83 - The Red Seas
84 - Lobster Random
85 - Savage:  The Guv'nor
86 - Ten-Seconders
87 - The Red Seas Vol 2
88 - Brink
89 - Fiends of the Eastern Front
90 - Greysuit
91 - VCs
92 - Indigo Prime
93 - The Red Seas Vol 3
94 - Dominion
95 - Savage:  Rise Like Lions
96 - Jaegir
97 - Grey Area
98 - Defoe
99 - Inigo Prime Vol 2
100 - VC's Vol 2
101 - The Red Seas Vol 4
102 - Mercy Heights
103 - Absalom
104 - Brink Vol 2
105 - The Order
106 - Grey Area Vol 2
107 - Defoe Vol 2
108 - Tales of Telguuth
109 - Tyranny Rex
110 - Judge Dredd:  the Small House
111 - Strontium Dog:  Repo Men
Hope this helps!

Okay, I've heard of some of these but don't know them, if that makes sense.  Red Seas for instance, I've heard is good.  Glad to see there will be a Savage book after The Guv'nor, that means I can pass my Taking Liberties and The Guv'nor softcovers onto a friend.  I get that Firekind is popular but I don't know anything about it, no Leviathan which is unfortunate, or either that it's melded with another title. 

Overall it seems like a decent mix.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:57:19 PM
Leviathan is superb but really short. Hard to know what you'd twin it with. Possibly Cradlegrave, but even that feels like a push. FWIW, a HC of the original run exists and does pop up on eBay at non-ridiculous prices.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 28 May, 2020, 08:48:38 AM
With issue 111 being announced it does hint they could extend it further but would there be much more left, apart from the dead, mean areana, Harlem heroes, leviathan and more recent stuff
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 28 May, 2020, 09:15:14 AM
Hey now THAT is an extension.  I'll be cherry picking up so much of that list that it's  hardly worth my time doing it - a sub would be the better option.  Other than Greysuit,  I'd enjoy having HCs of every one of those.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 May, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:57:19 PM
Leviathan is superb but really short. Hard to know what you'd twin it with. Possibly Cradlegrave, but even that feels like a push.

Necronauts.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 May, 2020, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 May, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2020, 10:57:19 PM
Leviathan is superb but really short. Hard to know what you'd twin it with. Possibly Cradlegrave, but even that feels like a push.

Necronauts.

Having just read Stone Island I'd give that one a shout out. Very different type of horror but all those suggested are and Stone Island has the Edginton connection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 28 May, 2020, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: moly on 28 May, 2020, 08:48:38 AM
With issue 111 being announced it does hint they could extend it further but would there be much more left, apart from the dead, mean areana, Harlem heroes, leviathan and more recent stuff
I do think they would have to concentrate on newer stuff as it comes out, as a lot of the tier one content has already been included. The only significant classic-era omissions from my point of view are Zenith and Summer Magic. Mazeworld and Button Man would be nice, but are creator owned.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 28 May, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
Just wondering whether the Hachette 'Fiends of the Eastern Front' will feature all the material that will be in Rebellion's own trade paperback which is now scheduled for next year? The Rebellion edition is stated to run to 176 pages - does this sound about right for an Ultimate Collection book?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 May, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 28 May, 2020, 02:59:26 PM
I do think they would have to concentrate on newer stuff as it comes out, as a lot of the tier one content has already been included.

Yeah they pretty much rinsed the 250-500 era in the initial run, we've got all of quite a few progs from that era and the majority of most of the rest. The extension fills out the pre-250 era nicely with Flesh, VCs and Fiends and there's no way Dan Dare is ever going to make it in so there's not a lot left there.

By the end of the extension I think these 2 Hachette collections will have reprinted around 50% of the strips from the Prog.  And a big chunk of those excluded seem to be stuff from the poorly regarded era in the early 90s. I'd mostly want a further extension to tidy up any remaining loose ends like Kingdom and Stickleback (probably Defoe too), which is all going to be relatively newer stuff. There's a few suggestions earlier in this thread that could round that out though.

Quote from: Max Headroom on 28 May, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
Just wondering whether the Hachette 'Fiends of the Eastern Front' will feature all the material that will be in Rebellion's own trade paperback which is now scheduled for next year? The Rebellion edition is stated to run to 176 pages - does this sound about right for an Ultimate Collection book?

Yeah we've had quite a few volumes around that page count so I think that's probably a good guess.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 May, 2020, 03:57:37 PM
#s 71 & 72 just turned up. COVID-19 seems to have had very little affect on these subscriptions after all, at least for now. The books are printed in Spain so is it conceivable there could be a delay further down the pike? The Warhammer series has been staggered due to them being put together by GW who closed shop temporarily.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 28 May, 2020, 05:34:52 PM
Anyone like to speculate how far we will get into what is available now of 'Defoe' in the two Ultimate Collection volumes?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 28 May, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 28 May, 2020, 05:34:52 PM
Anyone like to speculate how far we will get into what is available now of 'Defoe' in the two Ultimate Collection volumes?
My money is everything up to and including The London Hanged.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 May, 2020, 06:46:42 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 28 May, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 28 May, 2020, 05:34:52 PM
Anyone like to speculate how far we will get into what is available now of 'Defoe' in the two Ultimate Collection volumes?
My money is everything up to and including The London Hanged.

Yup, Leigh Gallagher did six books of Defoe, so I think that's what we'll get - three per volume. That's two books shy of everything, but still two more than are currently available in trade form.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 May, 2020, 09:23:32 PM
maybe they added the extra book out of respect for carlos to finish off the new strontium run?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 May, 2020, 09:46:56 PM
I stuck some speculation on the contents of the extension into a spreadsheet to see how what the distribution across the Prog looked like. It's certainly more slanted to the modern era than the initial run was.

(https://i.imgur.com/ajXlH7G.png)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 29 May, 2020, 09:56:07 AM
Strong work, sintec. That's most of my wilderness years covered!

Relatively little from 500-1000.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 May, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
Heh — that image is really damning. Spot the shit period!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 29 May, 2020, 11:31:48 AM
Delighted to receive volumes 71 +72 (Thargs future shocks and Durham red) today.
Was just wondering how much of Duhams Red series will be collected in this part work?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 May, 2020, 12:09:55 PM
I think they said it'd be the full Abnett run - that's what my speculation above contains ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 May, 2020, 02:39:59 PM
As a solo character, Durham Red had the Grant/Ezquerra Island of the Damned, and then a small run of Hogan/Harrison stories. Epicedium in Prog 1006 was here Abnett took over, and marked a bridge between old and new. After that, we got Scarlet Cantos/Vermin Stars/Empty Suns, which were so far removed from Strontium Dog continuity that they may as well have been a different series. These three are compiled in full in the Hachette hardcover (along with mask of the Red Death, which sits between Scarlet and Vermin), which represents a bargain, not least given that the original paperback collections are long out of print and nightmarish to find.

Bar that, we had a single Grant/Ezquerra Durham Red (1785–1790) before Worley/Willsher rebooted the character in 2018.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 29 May, 2020, 03:38:14 PM
Thanks a lot for the info guys. Im really enjoying reading the Abnett run. I got into 2000ad in the 90s so I was bit unaware of what came before with the character.
I did enjoy the recent revival in the prog recently. Was this a complete reboot or a continuation of original Strontium dog character? Once again thanks for the info!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 May, 2020, 03:58:03 PM
My reading of the Worley Durham Red is it basically ignores the entire Abnett run, and more or less continues the character in the Wagner-only continuity.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 May, 2020, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 29 May, 2020, 03:38:14 PM
Thanks a lot for the info guys. Im really enjoying reading the Abnett run. I got into 2000ad in the 90s so I was bit unaware of what came before with the character.
I did enjoy the recent revival in the prog recently. Was this a complete reboot or a continuation of original Strontium dog character? Once again thanks for the info!

I think Worley said it was set after the Second Mutant War (so just after The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha) but of course it's been written in such a way that it doesn't really matter when it's set or what you have/haven't read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 29 May, 2020, 09:13:28 PM
So I've always pre-ordered my cherrypickings for this collection through Forbidden Planet. Does anyone have any news on FP? Their website and app have been down for days. Orders placed have not been sent out. Customer services are not answering queries. Their social media has not been updated for a couple of days and no questions are being answered. I'm not going to speculate as to why, but the reasons for possible concern are obvious. Would be grateful for any news.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 30 May, 2020, 04:19:05 PM
"Hi all - we're dealing with an issue on our network and we've had to take down our website. Apologies for the radio silence - for now, if you've a specific query regarding an order please email info@forbiddenplanet.com." - FP twitter

Oh, the relief. Tech not virus. And since I'll have to remain 'shielded', it seems, I'd be much happier to bunker down with a complete run of Red Seas for company!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 May, 2020, 12:35:31 PM
Started on the Durham Red book last night; the art in The Scarlet Cantos seems really blurry, was wondering if it's a printing error.  It's really hard to tell what's going on in some panels, feels like there's a lack of distinction between foreground and background making it hard to distinguish detail.  Things seem to improve in later stories (I'm about halfway through Vermin Stars now) which is a relief.

This might be the first Abnett thing that's not really gelled with me. Durham was better when she had the contrast of Johnny. With 2 ideological extremists as companions she's left trying to occupy the moral high ground and I'm not sure that's a position that really suits her. The characters also seem lost in the vast space opera Abnett is constructing around them - the art probably doesn't help with that.

Skimmed a few of the Future Shocks too. My speculations had this volume down as being a reprint of The Best Of Tharg's Future Shocks and whilst there is considerable overlap between the two it's far from a straight reprint.  We get a bit more Morrison than that collection (in fact pretty much all his FSs bar Wheels of Fury, not sure why that got excluded) and a bit less Milligan. We also get a few more early FSs which seem to have been chosen for O'Neill and Bolland art and a couple of Millar FSs. The early stuff I read last night is very much of it's time - nothing up to the standard of the Moore book yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 31 May, 2020, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 29 May, 2020, 11:31:48 AM
Delighted to receive volumes 71 +72 (Thargs future shocks and Durham red) today.
Was just wondering how much of Duhams Red series will be collected in this part work?

Was there anything of Vector 13 worth reprinting in these collections? I don't really recall.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2020, 02:57:33 PM
A few of those were good. Not enough for an entire HC, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 31 May, 2020, 06:06:37 PM
How good is Nikolai Dante. Working my way through volume 7 and it's amazing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 01 June, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
I wish there was a collected Vector 13. I really enjoyed that series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 02 June, 2020, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 01 June, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
I wish there was a collected Vector 13. I really enjoyed that series.

Not an opinion you will find often expressed around here, but one I wholeheartedly support. V13 was a particular highlight of that period, and one for which I have been known to rummage through the boxes and drag out the relevant progs. There arent many strips I will do that for, preferring instead to wait for the inevitable trade or floppy (why do I keep the full run, boxed in the spare room, where it baits my wife? Um...)
However, since there seems to be practically zero chance of a V13 trade, it's up to the likes of you and me to cough from time to time and draw attention to it.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 June, 2020, 09:13:02 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 02 June, 2020, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 01 June, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
I wish there was a collected Vector 13. I really enjoyed that series.
However, since there seems to be practically zero chance of a V13 trade, it's up to the likes of you and me to cough from time to time and draw attention to it.

I'm a bit surprised it's not at least had a Meg floppy yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 02 June, 2020, 04:15:23 PM
They tried to usurp Tharg in a way Joko Jargo hasn't even thought of yet. No wonder he's grumpy about their largely forgettable contribution
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 02 June, 2020, 10:42:19 PM
The details of the extension are great. First of all I am surprised that it's going ahead in these times. Secondly it is such a brilliant list because it has some titles that deserve a reprint but haven't had it. I am really pleased that The Red Seas is finally getting a collected edition. I assume that my drunken messages to the Haccette  (i don't think that is the correct spelling but sod it) Facebook page saying "please put Red Seas into the series " had some effect.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 03 June, 2020, 02:26:32 PM
What is going on with Hachette?

I emailed them to ask about 2000ad restocks - they replied with "they're all in stock on the website".

Today an order from them arrived. The box was clearly unsealed, no tape, the flaps weren't even pushed in.

One book inside,  the others books are AWOL.

Not a huge problem in the scheme of things,  but it spoils collecting, and i really will only ever use FP again in the future.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 03 June, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: karlos on 03 June, 2020, 02:26:32 PM
What is going on with Hachette?

I emailed them to ask about 2000ad restocks - they replied with "they're all in stock on the website".

Today an order from them arrived. The box was clearly unsealed, no tape, the flaps weren't even pushed in.

One book inside,  the others books are AWOL.

Not a huge problem in the scheme of things,  but it spoils collecting, and i really will only ever use FP again in the future.

I've bought from Hachette as subscriber and non-subscriber and what you describe is the non-subscriber experience to a tee. Small books, big boxes, no packaging, missing items and no recourse. Every time I've cherry-picked from the Judge Dredd or Marvel collections something has gone wrong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 June, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
I recall when I decided I'd made an error in selling off chunks of the UC and decided to re-buy in-stock items, I also did so at the time I grabbed a bunch of Marvel-era TF books. I ordered something like 20 books across two orders. Each set of ten arrived in a massive cardboard box with no packaging. One of them look like it had been used as a football. Over half the books were badly damaged. They were all replaced, but it beggars belief why a bit more packaging isn't being used. For the sake of 50p of bubble wrap and giving a crap, they could have saved sending out £100 of replacement books.

(I've had issues with other sellers — Wordery for a while had pretty crap packaging on trades. But they actually listened to suggestions and subsequently made changes in the way books were sent out.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 03 June, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
It's all very discouraging, isn't it?

I generally only use FP now, but as Hachette were the only ones that had those particular books, i went with them.

As you say, IP, why they and other sellers don't just use a little bit more packaging, expensive mistakes would easily be avoided.

It's exasperating!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 June, 2020, 08:33:18 PM
I can only imagine most people don't complain. I've had enough of that. If I'm buying high-end collectable books, they'd better bloody arrive in good condition. But even stuff like the Hachette collection should be free from major prangs/crushed edges/corners.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 03 June, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
I'm suprised Hachette are as slapdash as they are.

This latest parcel really does take the biscuit: shipping books out in a box that wasn't sealed at all - madness!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 June, 2020, 12:14:08 PM
This is why I went to a newsagents. Someone said a while back that a direct subscription would have been more efficient, but the tales of woe with late books and bad deliveries put me off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 June, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
They are varying degrees of hopeless, but to date I've never missed a book, and I've had replacements for every issue where I deemed the damage to be unacceptable. So the customer service broadly works (and the new lot are more responsive online than the old ones, and appear to have a better grasp of English). The baffling thing is why the packaging is periodically so poor in the first place. My guess is the savings per item add up and compensate for the people who demand replacements. Although the bin-bag incident was perhaps a step too far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 06 June, 2020, 06:04:37 PM
Working as a postman I know very well the complaints people have about how items are delivered. We don't do many Hachette deliveries so they clearly have a contact with someone else. I would like to say that whichever company delivers your parcel, if you think it's damaged and you want to complain then take photos of the parcel before you open it. Take photos of the actual item once opened. If you can,complain to the driver and ask for their name. I doubt it will come to this but you never know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 06 June, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Quote from: Colin Zeal on 06 June, 2020, 06:04:37 PM
....  if you think it's damaged and you want to complain then take photos of the parcel before you open it. Take photos of the actual item once opened.

We had a new desk for our daughter delivered by DPD.  Driver knocked on the door and scarpered sharpish leaving the package in the car port.  The state of one corner of the box said it all.  Stove in didn't begin to describe it.

Emailed DPD and the company we bought it from.  Pics to the company as requested before we'd even thought about opening the box. Waited until the company told us what they wanted to do next.

Company offered a full refund and told us to keep the desk (presumably more expensive than sending out a new one plus they were now out of stock ...)  DPD fobbed us off with a "well, all our records show there was no damage."  Fair point but it arrived in a state so that means it was the driver ...

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 06 June, 2020, 11:57:12 PM
DPD drivers get paid  £1.50 for every item they deliver. If it isn't delivered somewhere they don't get paid. It's why they will leave a parcel in the bins, with a neighbour two streets away or throw it through a window. It doesn't make it OK but it makes clear why an individual items doesn't mean that much to them. Obviously us royal mail staff have never dropped a parcel and we treat every item as if it was really delicate.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 07 June, 2020, 09:25:27 AM
considering recent events I am kinda looking forward to rereading [spoiler]ichabod azrael[/spoiler] in a few months
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 07 June, 2020, 07:42:53 PM
Durham Red's a bit...European isn't it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 June, 2020, 10:01:41 PM
In what way.

I haven't read it yet, three books waiting in my newsagent in the nearby town, and that's a pain in the ass having to get them all.  They say I don't have to take them all, but its more expense on fuel splitting the uplift.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 07 June, 2020, 10:21:03 PM
Euphemistically, in quite a Heavy Metal, neo-gothic tits and ass way. Felt a bit much to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 June, 2020, 10:50:57 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 07 June, 2020, 10:21:03 PM
Euphemistically, in quite a Heavy Metal, neo-gothic tits and ass way. Felt a bit much to me.

The T&A did feel a bit unnecessary and detracted from the story towards the end. I guess vampires don't feel the cold.

It was a shame cos I think there was a good plot in there but the first story was rendered somewhat incoherent by the art and the later stories whilst more comprehensible did feel a little skeevy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 07 June, 2020, 11:21:39 PM
I really didn't care for Red when she was rebooted in the prog, so I'm not looking forward to the collection with any relish at all.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 08 June, 2020, 10:41:46 AM
Conversely this was one of the volumes I've looked forward to most of all. The fact it is 'all' of the Abnett/Harrison run is fantastic.

I'll also say I've not read this in many years and recall that the storytelling is a little tough in places.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 08 June, 2020, 01:36:45 PM
Once I decided to read it as a piece of Euro-trash in the style of straight to VHS scifi flicks like Ice Pirates it was much more enjoyable. Whether or not that was intention, I can't say. It certainly feels like it's trying to be more than it is.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 June, 2020, 09:48:51 PM
I've noticed here people trying to estimate if pairing two stories would be probable due to page count.  For example when speculating about the extension, a few, including myself brought up Leviathan and there was talk of what it could be paired with.  Or Jaegir with The 86ers etc.

Well, today I went down to my newsagents and picked up my three books that were lying there.  I know the page count isn't exactly the same in every book, but this was Nikolai Dante, Slaine:Book of Scars and Durham Red.  Dante looks the thickest, followed closely by Durham Red, but the Slaine book is substantially thinner.  Is there a min/max page count on these books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 June, 2020, 10:41:11 PM
I've been inferring likely min/max from past data. The Book Of Scars (assuming that's the Slaine you've just picked up) has been by far the thinnest volume yet and I doubt we'll see many others that slim. I've attached my graph of the releases we've had so far. This is based on the pages of strip in each volume (data mostly taken from Barney, although I actually counted the recent Slaine and ABC Warriors volumes as they had extra pages from the prog editions). It does not account for covers, intro pages, or text pieces.

(https://imgur.com/UzcGPnq.png)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 June, 2020, 11:57:18 PM
One look at the Marvel books should show how fortunate we are. Many of them compile just five US comics. I can hack the odd skinny volume—although could have done without Scars, since I have Rebellion's superior collection with all the Slaine art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 09 June, 2020, 08:39:26 AM
Quote from: sintec on 08 June, 2020, 10:41:11 PM
This is based on the pages of strip in each volume (data mostly taken from Barney, although I actually counted the recent Slaine and ABC Warriors volumes as they had extra pages from the prog editions).
Most of Rebellion's trades of Clint Langley/Pat Mills stuff have additional pages expanding on some images from the run in the Progs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 June, 2020, 09:29:24 AM
Yeah I think someone mentioned earlier in the thread that those Mills/Langley volumes had extra pages. Those books were all outliers in the stats which prompted me to do some actual page counting rather than relying on Barney. With the exception of Book Of Scars that brought those inline with the bottom end of the range.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 June, 2020, 11:45:33 PM
I finally got round to reading Dante and Slaine.  The Dante book was excellent, though I'm not 100% keen on the contrast of some of the art styles.  It's interesting to see how the character has evolved.  At the beginning some of the stories were very self contained, light hearted and not so much forgettable as just nothng special.  Later you can see it all coming together.

Slaine book of Scars.  I had liked some of the later Slaine books, but book of Scars seemed very bitsy piecey to me, I wasn't too impressed, not to mention with how thin it was.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 June, 2020, 02:33:41 AM
I read Durham Red last night, and well....Im of two minds about it.

It's an enjoyable enough read but I definitely see a WH40k vibe in there somewhere and I'm not a 40k fan.  I really would rather have got some Durham Red solo stories when she was still an S/D agent, but I suppose that wasn't really feasible given how that universe was going.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 20 June, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Thinking about the page count of the Slaine volumes, is there any reason why the Diceman strips couldn't have been included? There aren't any rights issues are there? Thought it would have been fun to see those again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 20 June, 2020, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 20 June, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Thinking about the page count of the Slaine volumes, is there any reason why the Diceman strips couldn't have been included? There aren't any rights issues are there? Thought it would have been fun to see those again.

Especially as the current printing of two of them (in the trade paperback of Demon Killer if memory serves) has a repeated page misprint that renders the game unplayable.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 June, 2020, 01:42:10 PM
Did I imagine a report about Diceman being collected? Was that an April Fools?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 June, 2020, 05:31:19 PM
QuoteThinking about the page count of the Slaine volumes, is there any reason why the Diceman strips couldn't have been included? There aren't any rights issues are there? Thought it would have been fun to see those again.

i can only guess same reason none of the starlord stuff made it in....its not 2000ad
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 23 June, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
Is the Future shocks book out yet.

There was a story from one of the early annuals that was a future shock about someone who bought a 'course' that increased their intelligence but not their comon sense and they ended up dead in a traffic accident.  I can't remember the name of it.  I wonder if that one is included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 June, 2020, 07:34:37 AM
It's been with subscribers for a couple of weeks or more - I was starting to wonder when the next ones would be landing tbh.  There's a complete list of the books contents here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD:_The_Ultimate_Collection (it's basically all the Morrison, Gaiman and John Smith FSs, along with a chunk of Milligan ones and a smattering from other writers/artists)

Only 2 stories from the annuals and I don't think either of them were that one I'm afraid.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 25 June, 2020, 08:01:51 PM
New delivery today, 73 Slaine Brutania Chronicles Vol. 1 (only out yesterday) & 74 Nikolai Dante Vol. 8 (release date 8/7)

Surprisingly with only three deliveries left to hit the originally planned 80 books there was no note about the extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 June, 2020, 08:14:01 PM
Someone else asked on Facebook a few days ago, and Hachette's customer services person confirmed the series is currently planned to be 111 books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 26 June, 2020, 10:47:34 AM
I believe it, but you'd think there'd be some sort of official comms to subscribers though. Not everyone is dedicated enough to be checking Facebook or this forum. I'm sure something will turn up in the final two deliveries (feels weird to say that. 160 weeks, my first complete partwork after cancelling Marvel and Transformers and cherry picking half of the Mega Collection)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 26 June, 2020, 10:57:22 AM
Oh man how good was Ampney Crucis? it reads incredibly well collected together and it is a bit of a shame it's just been left hanging.

The bloke near the end, was that mean to be [spoiler]Stickleback's son?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 26 June, 2020, 11:07:42 AM
I loved Crucis, but so many dangling threads! Did we even find out who Chutney was talking to in the Rolls at the end of Book One?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 26 June, 2020, 02:04:25 PM
Wasn't he talking to [spoiler]the chap from the Leviathan?[/spoiler] - spoiler in case.

Hopefully once Simon Davis gets done with the second book of Thistlebone TMO can get him and Ian back together for more Ampney.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 June, 2020, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 26 June, 2020, 10:47:34 AMI believe it, but you'd think there'd be some sort of official comms to subscribers though.
When do they usually do this? I don't recall when the official notification came for the Dredd extension.

Quoteafter cancelling Marvel and Transformers
Transformers would probably be a good one to keep on with, if only for resale. The sheer price of the post-80 books is something to behold, due to lockdown issues. (I was hoping to get the two G2 books, but no chance of that. I did at least manage to snag a Movie volume when a handful were still around on the Hachette website.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 26 June, 2020, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 26 June, 2020, 02:04:25 PM
Wasn't he talking to [spoiler]the chap from the Leviathan?[/spoiler] - spoiler in case.

Ah, not read that one, so the reference was lost on me. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 26 June, 2020, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 June, 2020, 02:06:21 PM
When do they usually do this? I don't recall when the official notification came for the Dredd extension

I couldn't say if they usually do or not, but from a subscriber's perspective, if I'd signed up for something that was going to be 80 issues I would like to know that it was going to keep on, and they'd continue taking subs.

QuoteTransformers would probably be a good one to keep on with, if only for resale.
They'd have to be going out as quickly as they came in. One of the reasons for cancelling was space. The other was that they weren't as good as I remembered. I've read the More Than Meets the Eye and Lost Light elsewhere and thought they were superb but the G1 stuff just wasn't for me any more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 June, 2020, 04:38:19 PM
I only bought the G1 stuff, as HC replacements for the Titan run. There may have been some nostalgia in that decision, frankly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 26 June, 2020, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 23 June, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
Is the Future shocks book out yet.

There was a story from one of the early annuals that was a future shock about someone who bought a 'course' that increased their intelligence but not their comon sense and they ended up dead in a traffic accident.  I can't remember the name of it.  I wonder if that one is included.

Don't remember seeing it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 26 June, 2020, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Super Mario on 26 June, 2020, 10:57:22 AM
Oh man how good was Ampney Crucis? it reads incredibly well collected together and it is a bit of a shame it's just been left hanging.

The bloke near the end, was that mean to be [spoiler]Stickleback's son?[/spoiler]

Guess we'll never know for sure. Ian Edgington isn't known for finishing what he starts...  :-\
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 June, 2020, 01:36:56 PM
Latest books are here - seems we've caught back up with the shops now, let's hope they can keep it on track for the extension.

First impression from a quick flick through; Simon Davis was a perfect match for Slaine - it looks absolutely stunning. Not the chunkiest volume but thicker than Book Of Scars was.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 June, 2020, 01:48:43 PM
Yep—I got mine on Friday. So that's one volume that was out a couple of days beforehand, and one due on the 8th of July. The catch-up is due to the shop dates being delayed, but it would be nice if this schedule sticks. (Times between deliveries so far this year have been 47 days, 30, 19, 18, 25, 28 and 28.)

As for the books, I've not looked at them yet. Dante — we are ONE BOOK from a complete HC set. Sláine: I really loved that volume in the Prog and had such high hopes. Alas, its slide into literally ALL CAPS SHOUTY BOLLOCKS was horrible. (As I've noted elsewhere, this particular run almost started out as Sláine as Hellboy. A real oddball mix of mythology that was hugely appealing to me. And the art was wonderful.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 27 June, 2020, 07:09:19 PM
I absolutely tore through Brutania Vol 1. The story is a bit on the light side but the art is staggeringly good. It's a real departure from where it ended up at the end if the Langley era, although I really loved the earlier parts of his run too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 June, 2020, 09:49:21 PM
Yeah I'm with Super Mario on this - have ripped through that book this afternoon and thoroughly enjoyed it. This certainly wasn't the most though provoking or original thing Pat's ever written but visually it was stunning. Maybe it's gonna be all downhill from here in volume two (that certainly seemed to be the case with the Langley run) but I'll take this over the 90s stuff. Simon Davis's art is just jas dropping - it's all about the weird monsters, and the piles of carcasses for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 June, 2020, 03:23:27 PM
This is when the partwork model totally comes into its own -  I was probably never going to check out Brutania Chronicles, based on some of what I'd heard about how dissapointing it gets. 4 volumes, at £16.99 each, for something I might not enjoy? Nah. But just 2 volumes, for only £10 each? Okay, might as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 June, 2020, 10:01:57 PM
I remember one of the women at WH Smith's saying the Dredd books were expensive.  I wonder if she had ever seen the price of some of the standard print run graphic novels from DC, Rebellion or Marvel at times.  You can easily pay a lot more for a softcover.

I know when it came to the Mass Effect and Dragon Age graphic novel series I waited for the big deluxe editions.  The last one I got, Dragon Age Volume 2 was £25 but that was for a deluxe edition HC, the equivalent in Mass Effect are going for silly money now due to limited print runs, but even standard graphic novel prices can be a bit over the top nowadays.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 June, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
Holy Shit is Dante amazing. Just wow; that was some absolutely top quality comics. Glad I skipped A Farewell To Arms in the recent Sci-fi special, that was intense and I can't imagine that having the same impact out of context. What a really odd choice for the special too, I can understand why they wanted some Dante in there but surely there were some more suitable one-offs from earlier in the run?

Can't wait for the conclusion in 2 months time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 30 June, 2020, 09:13:04 AM
Dante only gets better and better
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 June, 2020, 10:09:44 AM
Mm. I get A Farewell To Arms as an important moment, but it felt like the sole mis-step in that special: a massive spoiler for anyone who'd not yet read Dante, and an out-of-context single parter for those who had.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 June, 2020, 10:51:25 AM
I often wonder how Dante would be reflected upon if it'd been a series from Image or Vertigo or whatever. Assuming it survived - which you gotta wonder - I think it would now be lauded far and wide. Its so good and perfect comics meladrama.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 June, 2020, 04:43:20 PM
If it was Image, we'd have got those lovely deluxe HCs. I really wish there was a market for that kind of thing from Rebellion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 09 July, 2020, 12:35:17 PM
No Dante book at Forbidden Planet yet. I have an online order set up for it and have been charged but showing as not in stock.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 July, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Be mindful FP has had problems with Hachette due to relying on Diamond. You might want to source elsewhere, unless they're currently open and confirmed to be receiving stock again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 09 July, 2020, 03:26:12 PM
Quote from: levers on 09 July, 2020, 12:35:17 PM
No Dante book at Forbidden Planet yet. I have an online order set up for it and have been charged but showing as not in stock.

I'm the same no email to say the payment was taken either😡

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 July, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Be mindful FP has had problems with Hachette due to relying on Diamond. You might want to source elsewhere, unless they're currently open and confirmed to be receiving stock again.

I hope there won't be an issue as I've been really looking forward to this as I've never read the later stages of The Dante story and don't want to end up paying over the odds on eBay 😡 to complete the saga
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 July, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
Which issue do you need? 74 (Dante #8) is currently in stock on the Hachette website. (The next issue before that which is still in stock: 44!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 09 July, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
It's 8 I need and noticed that it was only "released" on the 8th so I hope FP are still in the process of posting out. I have Savage & Dante 9 pre-ordered as well from FP so 🤞🏻.
I bit of communication would be reassuring though.
It looks like FP are only doing pre orders for the Ultimate Collection as when I search the online site that's all that comes up. So the don't seem to have any back stock.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 July, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
Honestly, I'd buy from Hachette. At least you'll definitely get a book. At the very least, call FP. They never sent my TF book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 09 July, 2020, 07:47:33 PM
Thanks for the advice and I'm leaning to your advice. I have checked my online account and the order status is waiting to be dispatched!
I'll give them till tomorrow lunch then call them 🤞🏻The HC site isn't sold out by then if it's not been dispatched
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 July, 2020, 12:14:39 PM
Got my dispatch notice from Forbidden Planet for the 8th Dante volume - 1 to go - very excited! Then Red Seas!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 10 July, 2020, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 10 July, 2020, 12:14:39 PM
Got my dispatch notice from Forbidden Planet for the 8th Dante volume - 1 to go - very excited! Then Red Seas!

Got mine too, although only after ordering another one direct from Hachette. Now attempting to cancel the Hachette order... Oh well!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 10 July, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
Got my email as well 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Really looking forward to this just hope the postal service doesn't feckup
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 July, 2020, 12:55:23 PM
It's sooooo good.  Can't wait to get the last one and then commence a full re-read from start to finish.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 July, 2020, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: levers on 10 July, 2020, 12:22:36 PMGot mine too, although only after ordering another one direct from Hachette. Now attempting to cancel the Hachette order... Oh well!
If you can't, sell it on eBay. This series has a low print run now, and so chances are someone will want it. (Just be mindful to factor in your additional costs on selling.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 10 July, 2020, 02:01:26 PM
Snap on Dante 8 despatch notice from FP.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 10 July, 2020, 03:39:04 PM
My copy of Nikolai 8 just arrived from FP.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 11 July, 2020, 07:14:56 PM
I haven't been keeping track of the issues,  so how many of the initial 80 are left?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 July, 2020, 07:26:52 PM
Six more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 11 July, 2020, 07:29:35 PM
Received my Nikolai Dante today and just one more and I can read the whole series for the very first time - something I'm really looking forward to. Just wonder whether the story 'Devil May Care' from the 40th Anniversary Prog of 2017 will be included in the last volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 11 July, 2020, 07:48:57 PM
Does not matter if the last story is included Max you are in for a treat.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 July, 2020, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 11 July, 2020, 07:48:57 PM
Does not matter if the last story is included Max you are in for a treat.

Yeah not sure, I'd image they'll pop it in but if not its far from essential, a nice DVD extra.

As Broodbilk says you are in for a real treat. I'm jealous of folks who can delve into this wonderful story and read it as the complete epic from start to finish for the first time. Enjoy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 11 July, 2020, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 July, 2020, 07:26:52 PM
Six more.

Thank you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 11 July, 2020, 10:31:06 PM
I'll be eager for the later Savage volumes that go beyond the trades already printed.  I recently reread Taking Liberties and The Guv'nor and I know the extension has a volume planned beyond that.  What struck me was just how dark the Savage books were compared to Invasion which was very much a product of its time, national stereotypes and all.  It's the same with many of the older stories that got updates.  VC's back in action was very different from the originals, Rogue Trooper:Realpolitik was grimmer than the originals and although not an update but in the same universe, Jaegir and 86er's were the same.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 July, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 11 July, 2020, 10:31:06 PM
I'll be eager for the later Savage volumes that go beyond the trades already printed.  I recently reread Taking Liberties and The Guv'nor and I know the extension has a volume planned beyond that.

There are only another two volumes, not three - but potentially (because some Hachette volumes contain four 'books' rather than three, or Rebellion's average of two) they could still collect all remaining Savage material...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 July, 2020, 03:09:48 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 July, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 11 July, 2020, 10:31:06 PM
I'll be eager for the later Savage volumes that go beyond the trades already printed.  I recently reread Taking Liberties and The Guv'nor and I know the extension has a volume planned beyond that.

There are only another two volumes, not three - but potentially (because some Hachette volumes contain four 'books' rather than three, or Rebellion's average of two) they could still collect all remaining Savage material...

Well the original print run of 80 books has Invasion and we will be getting one called Savage.  There was the extension list published some time back that had these two

85 - Savage:  The Guv'nor
95 - Savage:  Rise Like Lions

So it looks like there will be more than was printed in the original softcover trades.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 July, 2020, 11:55:23 AM
Sorry, I completely misread your post!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 13 July, 2020, 01:28:51 PM
Where's the extention list?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 July, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 13 July, 2020, 01:28:51 PM
Where's the extention list?
It's found ten pages back (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44203.msg1028614#msg1028614). Not officially announced yet, mind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 July, 2020, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 July, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 13 July, 2020, 01:28:51 PM
Where's the extention list?
It's found ten pages back (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44203.msg1028614#msg1028614). Not officially announced yet, mind.
I wouldn't say that, it's just 'subject to change'
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 13 July, 2020, 06:14:16 PM
i could have sworn the contents of the extension were confirmed just not the order in which they would be published
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 July, 2020, 08:25:58 PM
The only confirmation we've had, so far, is via the FB page. Subscribers have not actually been informed that their subs will be continuing past 80 issues yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Alec Worley on 16 July, 2020, 09:42:57 AM
Random question... Has the Abnett/Harrison Durham Red collection come out yet? (That's issue 71.) And if so, what month did it come out and was my essay in it? :D

Cheers
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 July, 2020, 10:11:41 AM
Hi Alec - it has indeed. This is one of the volumes I was most looking forward to.

Just checked and you have a two page text article at the back.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Alec Worley on 16 July, 2020, 10:21:28 AM
Cheers, Bolt! Hope you and the family are safe and well.
Do you know what month this came out...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 16 July, 2020, 10:25:46 AM
I think it was in the delivery before last, so May.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Alec Worley on 16 July, 2020, 10:27:07 AM
Cheers, guys!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 July, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
Aye, I reckon LeeThomson is right. I got mine via the website, but shurely you are due a comp?

(And my family are all good, thanks for asking I'm on my first real day off work since mid-feb and I'm trying to catch up on lettering! Hope you and yours are all well.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 16 July, 2020, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: Alec Worley on 16 July, 2020, 09:42:57 AM
Random question... Has the Abnett/Harrison Durham Red collection come out yet? (That's issue 71.) And if so, what month did it come out and was my essay in it? :D

Cheers
I was also really looking forward to this, however it coincided with the website service being closed for business, and now it's open again this one has sold out! Grrr.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 22 July, 2020, 09:08:13 PM
Hmmm. My copy of Savage has the spine of volume 79 (penultimate Dante) instead of 63. Anyone else get that?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 July, 2020, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 22 July, 2020, 09:08:13 PM
Hmmm. My copy of Savage has the spine of volume 79 (penultimate Dante) instead of 63. Anyone else get that?

I've seen people reporting the same on the FB group. Yet another printing foul up, their quality control really need to up their game.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 July, 2020, 09:34:28 AM
Means they'll have to reissue. What a waste of money. Too much copy/paste going on between editions, rather than starting with a generic template. (Hence why some volumes have end papers from another book.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 July, 2020, 09:39:18 AM
Thanks for the replies. I did get some wrong endpapers in both this and the Dredd collection, but wasn't too bothered about those. To mess up the spine image though is another thing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 July, 2020, 11:27:38 AM
ah so not just me then
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 23 July, 2020, 03:04:29 PM
As long as the numbering's right I'm not in the slightest bit fussed about the spine. I think reprinting for that sake is a total waste. Is the spine image really that big of a draw? How many people have the horizontal space to display the whole collection? I'd rather have the titles on the spine, to be honest.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 July, 2020, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 23 July, 2020, 03:04:29 PM
As long as the numbering's right I'm not in the slightest bit fussed about the spine.
It's just the same thing twice.
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/109799209_3318241858226285_3553236528248632900_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=666b5a&_nc_ohc=C-tWVQuIc40AX831ZN8&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=0359b21041ce4821e3a2567da500efc4&oe=5F3D6CDB)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 July, 2020, 03:10:57 PM
I'd rather have the titles, but that's not what we have. And given that Hachette makes such a song and dance about the spines, they should get this right. FWIW, they've already confirmed another run, and so I imagine subs will get one unless they specifically ask to not get a replacement copy.

Incidentally, has anyone here looked at adding titles to the spines? I can't imagine there's any good solution that wouldn't stick out in a horrible manner, but then I'm a long way from my days of print.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 23 July, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 23 July, 2020, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 23 July, 2020, 03:04:29 PM
As long as the numbering's right I'm not in the slightest bit fussed about the spine.
It's just the same thing twice.
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Well, fair enough, that is a pretty stupid cockup.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 July, 2020, 04:59:08 PM
Remaining covers up to the end of the original 80 now on FP:
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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 23 July, 2020, 10:32:08 PM
Well I normally wouldn't give a monkeys about spines, but it would seem a shame to mess this up at this late stage.

(https://i.imgur.com/XNJk49z.jpg)

Incidentally really enjoying Robo Hunter Book 2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 July, 2020, 02:42:53 AM
So is this Savage book the exact same as the The Guv'nor trade paperback by Rebellion?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 July, 2020, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 24 July, 2020, 02:42:53 AM
So is this Savage book the exact same as the The Guv'nor trade paperback by Rebellion?
The Savage book contains Taking Liberties (1387-1396), Out Of Order (1450-1459) & Double Yellow (1526-1535)
...which I now see is the same as the 2007 Rebellion book "Taking Liberties" (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6502968-savage)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 July, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 23 July, 2020, 10:32:08 PM
Incidentally really enjoying Robo Hunter Book 2

I'm glad someone did - that was my least favourite book from the entire collection.

Quote from: Jade Falcon on 24 July, 2020, 02:42:53 AM
So is this Savage book the exact same as the The Guv'nor trade paperback by Rebellion?

Yes. And bloody good stuff it is too. Really glad we're getting another 2 volumes of this in the extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 July, 2020, 09:57:13 AM
The next Savage volume from the (still unofficial?) extension is subtitled The Guv'nor, so presumably that will reprint the equivalent Rebellion volume - the page count from Barney fits. The third volume should take us up to book 9.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 24 July, 2020, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: sintec on 24 July, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 23 July, 2020, 10:32:08 PM
Incidentally really enjoying Robo Hunter Book 2

I'm glad someone did - that was my least favourite book from the entire collection.

Well I reckon I've only read about 15 books so far, but I'm pretty sure there will be worse in there. I'm only three stories in and am aware of the problematic depictions in the football story later on.

Having said that I originally read those stories in the early 90s and I always perceived them as a parody of the racial depictions in the media in the 1970s. Wonder if I will still think that on revisiting it.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 24 July, 2020, 04:07:38 PM
Same spine cock-up here. Have they confirmed whether all subscribers will get one automatically yet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 July, 2020, 04:26:17 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 24 July, 2020, 04:07:38 PM
Same spine cock-up here. Have they confirmed whether all subscribers will get one automatically yet?
Yes:
Quote
We are going to do a full issue reprint which will be sent out to all subscribers.

https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2655172494811066?comment_id=2658577781137204&reply_comment_id=2661039964224319&__cft__[0]=AZVrJ_cA_evoZk0fmzgIrry3es15_ytFslCJ80SJ7xKfWdJuIQKiG7FgUtVIbB35ekAnPU55ROmdQqszQftt7ewuPKXEvED3lqfPOIfI1d5hwZAYMKbtahRLF4QKAsWXDxGMmUEmKbKy2Q55UZUCVz_8U1JI0oY2tEffsaZ_qzxwlg&__tn__=R]-R
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 24 July, 2020, 07:00:04 PM
Received them today, bit strange they still haven't announced officially it's been extended with only two months to go
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 28 July, 2020, 07:25:25 AM
Just finished the latest Dante and wow it just gets better. The way the threads are being pulled together and the culling of characters- this should be a mini series on Netflix/Prime it has everything.
Can't wait for the finale.
Anyway I've got Savage to read now and never read anything after invasion I'm curious to see the inevitable character change time will bring.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 July, 2020, 06:44:01 PM
My back-up copy of Dante vol. 7 did turn up at my LCS in the end so I've got a spare if anyone is short  of one. Cost and postage - though don't think this one is as hard as some to find?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 July, 2020, 10:01:48 AM
...
sorry, just wanted to be sure. All Dante books, for instance, now available to order from the spruced up Hachette site.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 30 July, 2020, 10:49:18 AM
Looks like that a lot more "sold out" books are back available which is good as I had my eye on a couple of books I'd like to pick up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 31 July, 2020, 10:56:10 AM
The new Hachette website is a bit odd. Can't login with my email and password so have to use subscription number and postcode. Go to check orders, and everything is listed on invoice four times, then the duplicates are removed when calculating final cost. It's really strange.

QuoteCost Premium 76 1 £1.50
2000 AD N 75 1 £9.99
2000 AD N 76 1 £9.99
Cost Premium 75 1 £1.50
2000 AD N 75 1 £9.99
Cost Premium 75 1 £1.50
Cost Premium 76 1 £1.50
2000 AD N 76 1 £9.99
2000 AD N 75 1 £9.99
Cost Premium 75 1 £1.50
Cost Premium 76 1 £1.50
2000 AD N 76 1 £9.99
2000 AD N 76 1 £9.99
2000 AD N 75 1 £9.99
Cost Premium 76 1 £1.50
Cost Premium 75 1 £1.50
POSTAGE COST £-68.94
TOTAL £22.98
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 July, 2020, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: Trooper McFad on 30 July, 2020, 10:49:18 AMLooks like that a lot more "sold out" books are back available
Although not for Transformers. ARGH. Did they only print eleven copies of the #80ish collections or something?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 02 August, 2020, 02:49:15 PM
Really enjoying All-Star Future Shocks.

Can anyone make sense of the order that they're in, though? They're chronological up to prog 1232, and then it goes back to prog 245 and has another chronological run. Why not just have them all in chronological order? Am I missing something obvious?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2020, 03:51:38 PM
Does the new book not separate them by writer? The original Rebellion volume had pages introducing each writer, IIRC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 02 August, 2020, 05:42:31 PM
Not consistently, no, and no intro pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 August, 2020, 08:54:16 AM
I was going to agree with Indigo Prime that they're grouped by authour. Then I went and grabbed my volume of the book shelf just to double check and realised that doesn't entirely hold. There are 2 chronological runs, I recalled the last section as being all John Smith, which it mostly is except the ones that aren't which include two Morrison stories and I thought all the Morrison stuff was grouped up earlier in the book.

Yeah no idea - would be interesting to find out what the reasoning was.  Maybe it was all about getting things to land on the right starting page without needing to insert lots of blank filler pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2020, 09:42:31 AM
I just checked my original Rebellion volume, and that does separate the strips by author. Each has a DPS of story titles, and an intro by the author, outlining their process for creating the strips. I assume the Hachette volume dispenses with that, then?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 August, 2020, 12:35:56 PM
Yeah there's a single double page spread with a list of strips and credits at the start of the volume.

I don't think it's quite the same collection of strips as the previous Rebellion volume - I think I used that as a guesstimate in my speculation spreadsheet and found it diverged quite a bit.  There are a few extra early FS added and slightly fewer Peter Milligan stories I think. Something like that. It's not a huge difference but it's not a straight reprint which I think the Moore book basically was??
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2020, 01:31:43 PM
Yeah, I imagine it has slightly different pagination and contents, hence the shift in structure.

Also, the official notification about the spine cock-up went out today. TL;DR a reprint's coming for subs. Reading between the lines, if you haven't already got your copy, you won't get one until the reprint.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sheridan on 04 August, 2020, 12:53:37 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 02 August, 2020, 02:49:15 PM
Really enjoying All-Star Future Shocks.

Can anyone make sense of the order that they're in, though? They're chronological up to prog 1232, and then it goes back to prog 245 and has another chronological run. Why not just have them all in chronological order? Am I missing something obvious?

Isn't Rebellion in the process of reprinting them all in chronological order, like the Case Files?  They wouldn't want things packaged in the same way at the same time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
Yeah, they've done two big Case Files-style volumes of Future Shocks so far. As for the Hachette volume, it sounds like they more or less took the Rebellion TPB, decontextualised the breaks by removing the intro pages, and then added a few extra strips.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 04 August, 2020, 05:24:40 PM
Quote from: mitchuk on 31 July, 2020, 10:56:10 AM
The new Hachette website is a bit odd. Can't login with my email and password so have to use subscription number and postcode. Go to check orders, and everything is listed on invoice four times, then the duplicates are removed when calculating final cost. It's really strange.

QuoteCost Premium 76 1 £1.50
2000 AD N 75 1 £9.99
2000 AD N 76 1 £9.99
Cost Premium 75 1 £1.50
2000 AD N 75 1 £9.99
Cost Premium 75 1 £1.50
Cost Premium 76 1 £1.50
2000 AD N 76 1 £9.99
2000 AD N 75 1 £9.99
Cost Premium 75 1 £1.50
Cost Premium 76 1 £1.50
2000 AD N 76 1 £9.99
2000 AD N 76 1 £9.99
2000 AD N 75 1 £9.99
Cost Premium 76 1 £1.50
Cost Premium 75 1 £1.50
POSTAGE COST £-68.94
TOTAL £22.98

I get a 503 Bad Gateway error when I go to view my order history and can't get back into the website unless I clear my cache. Ordered a number of volumes I thought I'd missed out on in the meantime.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 05 August, 2020, 12:34:44 AM
Yeah the new website's a bit odd. Usual login doesn't work so I need to use my subscription number and postcode. However on mobile it only brings up the number pad when I try to enter the postcode so I can only access it on desktop. Overall the is new site is pretty alright design wise. Better than the old one anyway
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 August, 2020, 03:03:16 AM
So I finally picked up my Nikolai Dante and Savage:Taking Liberties.  I haven't taken them out the seal yet, but I see my Savage has the spine screw up as well.  Just how much are cockups like this costing the company.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 August, 2020, 07:08:12 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 06 August, 2020, 03:03:16 AM
Just how much are cockups like this costing the company.

I guess this depends on how their business is structured. Assuming they don't own the printers but sub-contract the work to them then the cost of the reprint may fall to the printers rather than directly to Hachette. It would entirely depend what kind of contract had been drawn up. The distribution costs may well end up being Hachette's problem still though and there's a cost of lost consumer confidence which is very hard to measure.

It does make me wonder if the early subscriber delays were down to similar print cock-ups that got caught by QC before the mail out was done.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 August, 2020, 11:02:10 AM
It depends on when the error occurred. From my experience in the print industry, it's much more likely someone signed off the book with an error in the doc than the printer somehow messed up (although the latter is possible).

A few of the issues with the Dredd volume were down to the printer, but those were things like faint pages or overly heavy print (through a lack of QC with black ink). Mostly, errors appear to be down to a designer copying/pasting from previous editions (rather than beginning with a template blank) and someone along the line failing to spot an issue having the wrong back cover text/end papers/etc. (Again, always start with template blanks when working on magazines/books. Never work from the previous book in a series. It's otherwise far too easy to mess up in the way these books have.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 06 August, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
Sinister dexter contains the following

downlode tales

Lock and Lode

exit wounds

sinister dexter

mission to mangapore

life behind bars

shrink rap

bullet time

the man in the ion mask

money shots

point blanc

barf bag

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 August, 2020, 04:09:08 PM
FTFY:

Quote from: The Monarch on 06 August, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
Sinister dexter contains the following

Downlode Tales:

Lock and Lode
Exit Wounds

Sinister Dexter:

Mission to Mangapore
Life behind Bars
Shrink Rap
Bullet Time
The Man in the Ion Mask
Money Shots
Point Blanc
Barf Bag

That's a really interesting place to leave it. Barf Bag's more of an ellipsis than a full-stop - to the point I really have to wonder if we're not potentially getting a longer extension than we've been told...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 August, 2020, 05:08:06 PM
Given how the 2012 Marvel collection's still going, I suspect it'll be down to sales/subscriptions. If it's still profitable, why wouldn't you continue? Although at some point, 2000 AD would hit diminishing returns, unless the collection started doing a whole lot more Dreddworld content.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 August, 2020, 05:14:46 PM
I still remember some of the text on War on the Streets, the very last Dredd book as being so heavily printed it was unreadable. I never got that sorted to my satisfaction.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 August, 2020, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 August, 2020, 05:08:06 PM
unless the collection started doing a whole lot more Dreddworld content.

There's still a fair amount of Dredd stuff not reprinted in either collection. I think I've said on here before that it would be good to have a Ron Smith volume, as per those for Carlos Ezquerra and Cam Kennedy, and I don't think I'm alone in nominating Battle & Pirates of the Black Atlantic for inclusion, given their importance as prologues to Block Mania & Apocalypse War.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 August, 2020, 02:43:09 AM
I admit its a bit of a crime (no pun intended) not having the Black Atlantic stories in either the Dredd stories or as part of the 2000ad stuff.  It might be regarded as a bit naff compared to latter stuff, a view I don't agree with, but it was a lot better than many stories of the time, and it also as mentions plays a part of a leadup to Block Mania and Apocalypse War and the whole Sov-Block-Mega City tension storyline.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 07 August, 2020, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 August, 2020, 05:08:06 PM
Given how the 2012 Marvel collection's still going, I suspect it'll be down to sales/subscriptions. If it's still profitable, why wouldn't you continue? Although at some point, 2000 AD would hit diminishing returns, unless the collection started doing a whole lot more Dreddworld content.

2012? Seriously?! Christ.

If anyone collects it, what is the Guff to gold ratio?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2020, 10:10:19 AM
I suspect that depends on how much you like Marvel. I wasn't that familiar with Marvel at the time I bought the first 60 issues from someone on eBay. I sold them and rebought just one (Marvels), and grabbed another (She-Hulk: Single Green Female) in a different format. I since then also got Howard the Duck (from the 'Classic' volumes they're running alongside). But then my Marvel collection is relatively small anyway.

I imagine, much like with the 2000 AD books, it's a bargain if you're a fan of the publisher—although I will note that the run had quite a few skinny books compared to the 2000 AD volumes. (A tenner for a five-issue HC is still a reasonable deal, but it's not nearly as good as books around 200 pages.)

The entire run is listed on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Official_Marvel_Graphic_Novel_Collection

More recently, it appears to have morphed into HC reprints of Marvel TPBs from 12–24 months beforehand. However, it's also digging up some fun old stuff from thr archives, like Death's Head and Dragon's Claws.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 07 August, 2020, 10:21:45 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2020, 10:10:19 AM
I suspect that depends on how much you like Marvel. I wasn't that familiar with Marvel at the time I bought the first 60 issues from someone on eBay. I sold them and rebought just one (Marvels), and grabbed another (She-Hulk: Single Green Female) in a different format. I since then also got Howard the Duck (from the 'Classic' volumes they're running alongside). But then my Marvel collection is relatively small anyway.

I imagine, much like with the 2000 AD books, it's a bargain if you're a fan of the publisher—although I will note that the run had quite a few skinny books compared to the 2000 AD volumes. (A tenner for a five-issue HC is still a reasonable deal, but it's not nearly as good as books around 200 pages.)

The entire run is listed on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Official_Marvel_Graphic_Novel_Collection

More recently, it appears to have morphed into HC reprints of Marvel TPBs from 12–24 months beforehand. However, it's also digging up some fun old stuff from thr archives, like Death's Head and Dragon's Claws.

Cheers!

Lots of really good stuff in the collection, to be fair. I've been looking to read Dabnett's Annihilation for some time, so might look into grabbing it through this collection.

And if they are reprinting their more recent Graphic Novels, in Hardcover versions, then it is a bargain!

To E-bay!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2020, 10:57:31 AM
If you like the idea of the Marvel collection, have patience and look on Facebook marketplace as well. You might find people attempting to dump the entire line to date, for a relatively low price (assuming you want everything). The set I picked up was years back, but the bloke had barely read anything. It seems quite a few people buy these collections, never get around to reading them, and then suddenly realise they've got hundreds of pounds' worth of books just sitting there doing nothing. But also, in resale value, the collections aren't worth a great deal—perhaps 50% at most of what you paid for them. Although resale value of second-hand ones usually holds—I sold my Marvel set for more or less what I paid for it. (I think I took a 20-quid hit to offload the things, but I figured I got well over £20 of value from reading 60+ books!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 07 August, 2020, 11:14:32 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 August, 2020, 10:57:31 AM
If you like the idea of the Marvel collection, have patience and look on Facebook marketplace as well. You might find people attempting to dump the entire line to date, for a relatively low price (assuming you want everything). The set I picked up was years back, but the bloke had barely read anything. It seems quite a few people buy these collections, never get around to reading them, and then suddenly realise they've got hundreds of pounds' worth of books just sitting there doing nothing. But also, in resale value, the collections aren't worth a great deal—perhaps 50% at most of what you paid for them. Although resale value of second-hand ones usually holds—I sold my Marvel set for more or less what I paid for it. (I think I took a 20-quid hit to offload the things, but I figured I got well over £20 of value from reading 60+ books!)

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll keep an eye out, and hopefully be able to pick up what I want.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 August, 2020, 03:22:58 AM
I started reading the Future shocks book and to be honest I can't say it will ever stack up to be one of my favourites.  I remember one or two of the stories but overall I don't think this is anything special.  I won't read Slaine until the second volume of that story appears.  My Savage:Taking Liberties also had the spine error.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 August, 2020, 09:49:51 AM
That Future Shocks book seemed more a tactical play on Rebellion's part, to release a book of short strips by renowned writers (including Gaiman's limited Prog output). I imagine it made its way into the Hachette collection by virtue of existing and for much the same reasons (having certain names on the cover). As for Taking Liberties, I suspect the entire print run is affected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 14 August, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Nikolai Dante vol 9 just shipped from FP .

Never read a single word so looking forward to diving in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 14 August, 2020, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: karlos on 14 August, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Nikolai Dante vol 9 just shipped from FP .

Never read a single word so looking forward to diving in.

Got my email as well sooo looking forward to the final instalment as I too had not read Dante right through
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2020, 06:44:48 PM
I've had mine. Read the whole thing and still very much looking forward to this and the excuse to dive in again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 August, 2020, 07:57:10 PM
it'll be fantastic to have a full collection of hardback Nikolai Dante
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 August, 2020, 08:10:15 PM
I had never read Dante before and my impression of the first one or two books was a bit above 'meh', basically, slightly silly nonsense with really nice art but the addictiveness and the increasing grimness of the story has really grown on me. I wonder, if you got a producer who really loved Dante what sort of miniseries you could have and who would be ideal casting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 17 August, 2020, 04:39:29 PM
Matt Berry as Dante himself obvs
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 17 August, 2020, 05:27:24 PM
When I first read Dante I didn't think much of it until The Great Game, when it really takes off. I enjoyed it after that, and it peaked with the Tsar Wars saga. After that I went back to the first stories and read them again, and found a new appreciation for them. They're full of world-building and you can see all of the potential which is going to be realised later on, often many years later, and you realise just how much thought and planning went into it before the first episode was ever published. It's an extraordinary series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 17 August, 2020, 07:14:40 PM
I agree with Richard, the first few episodes is more about world-building and setting the origins of the character. As the story progress Dante is changing with the story at one stage the self-centered little egotistic character becomes something more. I rate this as my best 2000AD series. I want it back but the ink is dry, the tale is carved in stone.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 19 August, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
well its time for good news bad news

good news i sure do have a complete nikolai dante in hc

bad news the 40th anniversary one offs not in it. its mentioned in the back matter but its not in the actual book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 19 August, 2020, 11:49:28 PM
Quote from: Richard on 17 August, 2020, 05:27:24 PM
They're full of world-building and you can see all of the potential which is going to be realised later on, often many years later, and you realise just how much thought and planning went into it before the first episode was ever published. It's an extraordinary series.

Some credit must go to David Bishop on that score. IIRC, the original proposal kicked off with what (I think) would have been Tsar Wars, and it was David who suggested rewinding and starting the story much earlier in the timeline.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 20 August, 2020, 04:18:08 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 19 August, 2020, 11:49:28 PM
Quote from: Richard on 17 August, 2020, 05:27:24 PM
They're full of world-building and you can see all of the potential which is going to be realised later on, often many years later, and you realise just how much thought and planning went into it before the first episode was ever published. It's an extraordinary series.

Some credit must go to David Bishop on that score. IIRC, the original proposal kicked off with what (I think) would have been Tsar Wars, and it was David who suggested rewinding and starting the story much earlier in the timeline.

That is why the story works so well. If you read the whole thing in a short period of time you will even have more appreciate of how the puzzle pieces all fits together.  Credit must also go to David for guiding the original starting point
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 August, 2020, 01:56:13 PM
My books just rocked up. So that's a wrap on Nikolai Dante—a full HC set of one of 2000 AD's best-ever strips. Sláine and Cabs next month and then that's it for the original run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 20 August, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
Still not had any notification that my sub is going to continue.

Full Hardback Dante. Not opened any of them yet. Only know first half of story. Going to get a good time to enjoy this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 20 August, 2020, 03:55:36 PM
Had 77 and 78 delivered today still nothing official about the extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 20 August, 2020, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 19 August, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
well its time for good news bad news

good news i sure do have a complete nikolai dante in hc

bad news the 40th anniversary one offs not in it. its mentioned in the back matter but its not in the actual book

This I find a shame. It wouldn't have cost much to include it. May be I'm just too much of a completist?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 20 August, 2020, 04:36:43 PM
Quote from: moly on 20 August, 2020, 03:55:36 PM
Had 77 and 78 delivered today still nothing official about the extension

Me too, can't work out if the company are idiots or the extension is a hoax.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 20 August, 2020, 05:09:09 PM
I think it's a sly way to get people to continue, think they have already said the replacement issue for the issue with the misprinted spin is being sent out with issue 81
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 August, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
If they were smart, they'd send out a letter with the next batch, which would note the new length of the sub and go heavy on the really great series coming up. Make the extension sound like a thing people just wouldn't want to miss! Loads of exclusive stories never before released in HC! Some never in print! Etc! And also mention that people can cancel, obviously.

But they'll probably find some way to fuck this up instead. Having seen that extension list, though, any 2000 AD fan would be fucking nuts to quit at #80, short of not having the funds to continue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 August, 2020, 11:30:35 AM
Yeah any letter will be last minute (ie next month). At least the final delivery is a pair so those wishing to stop don't have to return an unwanted #81.

Oh, and I asked Boo Cook on IG if he was doing/had done the new spine, which he said he was and to stay posted...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 21 August, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 21 August, 2020, 11:30:35 AM
Yeah any letter will be last minute (ie next month). At least the final delivery is a pair so those wishing to stop don't have to return an unwanted #81.

Oh, and I asked Boo Cook on IG if he was doing/had done the new spine, which he said he was and to stay posted...

Fantastic. Great sleuthing, Tomwe.

Can't wait to see the new spine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 August, 2020, 11:43:43 AM
At least he can save time and not bother drawing any feet. (Quite why that cropping decision was made, I don't know.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 21 August, 2020, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 August, 2020, 11:43:43 AM
At least he can save time and not bother drawing any feet. (Quite why that cropping decision was made, I don't know.)

Christ. Seriously?

I'd never noticed till you mentioned it, IndigoPrime!!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 August, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
Sorry. (Much as I like Boo, I really hate the Hachette spine design. I have a few of the Eaglemoss books now, and they are so much better from a usability standpoint. I really wish the 2000 AD and Dredd books had the character and titles listed.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 21 August, 2020, 04:23:43 PM
I'm in the market for a custom shelf labelling system for the collection...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 August, 2020, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 August, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
Sorry. (Much as I like Boo, I really hate the Hachette spine design. I have a few of the Eaglemoss books now, and they are so much better from a usability standpoint. I really wish the 2000 AD and Dredd books had the character and titles listed.)

Well yes this is the only downside to the silverlining (#1) to my Prog free return from holiday today. Left with the lovely Janet and David next door was the final Dante volume and yes it would be nice to have them with neater spines but BY ALL THAT IS HOLY we have a complete Dante collection in 9 lovely, hardbound volumes.

Just amazing.

Little surprised we don't get that stand alone story from the 40th Special edition (was it can't remember - actually might be in here somewhere and I've missed it as I've not read these yet) not a biggie as I prefer the fact this is the core story.

Just a wonderful thing to own and until we got the Ultimate Collection something I didn't think we'd get for a long, long time.

Thanks Tharg and Hachette.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 22 August, 2020, 03:35:13 PM
I was worried for a wee while as FP emailed me last Friday that the final Dante was dispatched but was more than happy to be woken by the postie this morning with that oversized package too big for the letter box and inside was that last part of what has been a fantastic tale from the pages of the prog and as said above all contained in nice HC's
Can't wait to read through this, the question is to do it in one sitting or over a few nights 🤔
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 August, 2020, 11:21:10 AM
So, that was Dante. Wow, what a ride. Now I know what all the fuss is about. And the ending was just right.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 23 August, 2020, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 August, 2020, 11:21:10 AM
So, that was Dante. Wow, what a ride. Now I know what all the fuss is about. And the ending was just right.
Does the last Dante book include the extra strip which appeared in the 40th Birthday Prog?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 August, 2020, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 23 August, 2020, 12:05:47 PM
Does the last Dante book include the extra strip which appeared in the 40th Birthday Prog?

Contents are:
The Memoirs of Nikolai Dante
Bad Blood
The Wedding Of Jena Makarov
The Dante Gambit
Sympathy For The Devil

So I think that's a no - which is a shame as that must be the 1 bit of Dante that's been excluded.

It's a cracking ending, tense right up until the final pages. Lots of gorgeous double page spreads from Fraser as well which are just jaw dropping. An absolute classic that entirely lives up to the hype. I'd never heard of Dante before joining this forum to do a bit research while I was deciding whether or not to subscribe to the Ultimate Collection. This story seemed to be one of the main draws for many and I can see why. Looking forwards to doing a binge re-read in a couple of months time.

My copy of Ichabod seems to be missing it's front endpapers.  Just plain white pages instead of the usual red papers. Back pages are fine.  Are other peoples copies ok?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 August, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
the only mention of the 40th one off is in the text back matter of the book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 23 August, 2020, 03:20:26 PM
Quote from: sintec on 23 August, 2020, 12:28:26 PM
My copy of Ichabod seems to be missing it's front endpapers.  Just plain white pages instead of the usual red papers. Back pages are fine.  Are other peoples copies ok?

I got a an email from FP to say my copy of Ichabod is being delayed due to a change in the "pre-order date"  from the supplier it is now supposed to be 2/9/2020 !!!

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 25 August, 2020, 09:28:27 AM
Just went into the office to collect my latest delivery and it's missing! All I've got is an empty cardboard sleeve which two books have clearly slid out of at some point in their grievous journey.

This will be my third replacement request due to damaged or missing books, which probably isn't so bad for a collection this size.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 August, 2020, 09:36:22 AM
Bit weird they managed to slide free. Hopefully you'll get your replacements soon.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 25 August, 2020, 11:48:21 AM
One of the folded pieces of board that that holds the books in had been torn out, so the package was fully open at one end. Bit odd, but I've not had a problem getting replacements before, so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 August, 2020, 05:55:47 PM
Is there any news yet on the replacement Savage volumes?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 August, 2020, 07:20:21 PM
i think its being bundled with the first issue of the extension i think i am sure someone else can confirm or deny that
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 August, 2020, 11:53:43 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 August, 2020, 09:36:22 AM
Bit weird they managed to slide free. Hopefully you'll get your replacements soon.

I suspect someone probably slid them free at some point in  the chain.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dandontdare on 29 August, 2020, 12:14:34 AM
WANTED - DANTE VOL.6

Okay, so I'm an idiot.

When this collection launched I thought I don't want to pay for stuff I've got, I'll just cherry pick the volumes I want, like the complete Dante for example. I chuckled from a distance at the endless customer service woes, and after v.4 I pre-ordered the rest of the Dante books from Forbidden Planet and sat back smugly.

Book 5 arrived fine, then I vaguely recall an email about a billing issue that I forgot to follow up on ....turns out my card had expired and all the orders were cancelled. Long story short, laziness, poor memory and general fuckwittedness on my part means that I am only now trying to sort this out. FP still have v.8, and I've just paid over the odds for v.7 on eBay, but I can't find v.6 for sale. My web-fu is weak though , meaning I just searched for "nikolai dante vol6" on google and eBay.

If anyone has one for sale, or can point me to a seller, I will build statues in your honour.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 August, 2020, 10:01:37 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 28 August, 2020, 05:55:47 PM
Is there any news yet on the replacement Savage volumes?

Pretty sure it's going to be packaged with Issue 81.

Quote from: Dandontdare on 29 August, 2020, 12:14:34 AM
If anyone has one for sale, or can point me to a seller, I will build statues in your honour.

Not cheap but this seller has one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000AD-THE-ULTIMATE-COLLECTION-CHOOSE-ISSUES-41-to-77-1ST-CLASS-DISPATCH/372707470455?hash=item56c718ac77:g:RZ4AAOSw-zdfPSb-
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 September, 2020, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: sintec on 23 August, 2020, 12:28:26 PM

My copy of Ichabod seems to be missing it's front endpapers.  Just plain white pages instead of the usual red papers. Back pages are fine.  Are other peoples copies ok?

My copy has the front endpapers intact.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Sabreman64 on 04 September, 2020, 06:58:21 PM
I have a question I hope someone can answer. It's not related specifically to the 2000 AD Ultimate Collection (although I was a subscriber to the collection for around 18 months). It's more of a general question about Hachette partworks.

If I ask Hachette to cancel a partwork subscription, will I be able to ask them to reinstate and resume the subscription at a later date? You see I am currently subscribed to Hachette's Terminator partwork. Because of financial problems, I need to cancel my subscription and then resume it in 6 months to a year. Will that be possible with Hachette, do you think?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 05 September, 2020, 01:17:27 AM
I also have a question that I have not been able to find an answer to.

Is there an option to subscribe to this collection in New Zealand?

The books all have NZ pricing on them, but I have never seen them carried in the shops here.

There was a company https://www.mycollectables.co.nz/ that did subscriptions for the Mega Collection here but they did not offer the ultimate collection.

I have compiled the complete collection so far via the hachette site and more recent issues from Forbidden Planet - but it has been very costly this way due to postage costs via a forwarding service.

Is there some other option I have missed?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 September, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Best bet to both of those: ask. My guess regarding dropping the subscription and picking it up again is that you'd be able to, but it'd depend entirely on stock. Right now, some series have some very low print runs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 07 September, 2020, 08:22:19 PM
I still have a premium sub. There's no point in continuing that is there? Not going to get any further goodies. Assume I can cancel that and have normal sub post-issue 80
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 September, 2020, 09:17:01 PM
They've said on FB that the DD will drop accordingly. But keep an eye on it, obv.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 07 September, 2020, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 07 September, 2020, 08:22:19 PM
I still have a premium sub. There's no point in continuing that is there? Not going to get any further goodies. Assume I can cancel that and have normal sub post-issue 80

Did the Dante statuette ever appear?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 08 September, 2020, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 07 September, 2020, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 07 September, 2020, 08:22:19 PM
I still have a premium sub. There's no point in continuing that is there? Not going to get any further goodies. Assume I can cancel that and have normal sub post-issue 80

Did the Dante statuette ever appear?

Last statue I got was Rogue, but then I did get two Halos (cough*keptthattomyself*cough) for some reason. Was a Dante figure ever specifically offered?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 08 September, 2020, 11:41:05 PM
I have

Halo
Nemesis
Rogue
Dredd
Death
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 September, 2020, 08:42:19 AM
I'm not sure how many statues there are supposed to be, but I vaguely recall Hachette on Facebook saying the last one will go out with #80.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 09 September, 2020, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 September, 2020, 08:42:19 AM
I'm not sure how many statues there are supposed to be, but I vaguely recall Hachette on Facebook saying the last one will go out with #80.

Missing statues? In 2020?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 September, 2020, 10:23:23 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 09 September, 2020, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 September, 2020, 08:42:19 AM
I'm not sure how many statues there are supposed to be, but I vaguely recall Hachette on Facebook saying the last one will go out with #80.

Missing statues? In 2020?

:lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 09 September, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
Phew, I took the risk of not changing my delivery address with Hachette during lockdown, as they were bound to fudge something up, and rely on the postal service handling the books till our office reopened. 10 books waiting for me today
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 09 September, 2020, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 09 September, 2020, 10:16:33 AM
Missing statues? In 2020?

Dante is definitely in line for a me too-ing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 09 September, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
If Dante's statue was sitting on a plinth, it's a sure bet someone's pulled him off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robprosser on 10 September, 2020, 12:12:30 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 09 September, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
If Dante's statue was sitting on a plinth, it's a sure bet someone's pulled him off.
Fnarr fnarr. (I thought this was a 2000ad forum not a Viz one)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 10 September, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
"Take out a Premium Subscription and for only £1.50 extra per issue, receive six exclusive hand-painted 2000 AD never-before-seen figurines: NEMESIS THE WARLOCK, JUDGE DEATH, HALO JONES, NIKOLAI DANTE, JUDGE DREDD, and ROGUE TROOPER!"

Guess he just wants to make an entrance
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 17 September, 2020, 02:10:38 PM
Anyone got the last two yet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 17 September, 2020, 03:36:10 PM
No final volumes yet, but I did get my replacements for Dante and Ichabod, at least!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 September, 2020, 03:42:55 PM
Nope. Can't get into my account on the website either. (Password has expired, apparently. And the forgot password link doesn't appear to be working.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 17 September, 2020, 06:31:15 PM
Just logged onto the hattchette site and still not showing 79 and 80
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 17 September, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
The wikipedia page states that  vol 79 is due on the 16th Sept and Vol 80 is due on the 30th Sept
The Hatchette site says vol 79 is out now but sold out and Vol 80 is coming soon but still no mention of the extension on the site
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 17 September, 2020, 11:57:42 PM
The Hatchette site has not had ANY issues of this collection showing in stock for quite a while - new issues are launched but seem to be immediately out of stock.

I do hope Forbidden planet carries the extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
Just got a reply from Hachette. My copies are "due to be processed around this weekend", adding "providing there are no delays". Given the usual delivery time, that would represent a slip of 1–2 weeks, but I'm not that fussed at this point. Will be nice to get the original 80 down. I didn't ask about the extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 18 September, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
It's official - covers of issue 81 Flesh and 82 Firekind now on the Hachette site:https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2020, 06:24:37 PM
FIREKIIIIIIINDDDDD!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 September, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 18 September, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
It's official - covers of issue 81 Flesh and 82 Firekind now on the Hachette site:https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/)
So that's Classic Flesh then from the credits. And Firekind twinned with Leatherjack. Grand!

... no wait,  James McKay worked on it from 1724 onwards. And also: that spine is out of space, so other creators could be included but not listed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 September, 2020, 06:29:21 PM
(https://hachettepartworks.com/medias/catalog/products/L1072082/article_vignette/L1072082.jpg)(https://hachettepartworks.com/medias/catalog/products/L1072081/article_vignette/L1072081.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2020, 06:49:39 PM
Given that I've been banging on about Firekind/Leatherjack for bloody ages, I'm stoked at this. So happy Matt (I assume) went for it. Thrilled it's in the first batch. YASSSSSS!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 18 September, 2020, 07:14:15 PM
I knew 2020 wouldn't be all bad. Firekind/Leatherjack combo in just over a month's time!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 September, 2020, 08:15:04 PM
I cherry pick (well just got the Dante collections) but tempted by both of those!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 September, 2020, 09:37:57 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 18 September, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
So that's Classic Flesh then from the credits. And Firekind twinned with Leatherjack. Grand!

... no wait,  James McKay worked on it from 1724 onwards. And also: that spine is out of space, so other creators could be included but not listed.

Yeah I was expecting this was just going to be a slimish volume with just the first 2 books from the classic era. Those first 2 books only come to 165 pages of strip though so there's space for one of the McKay drawn strips (Texas / Midnight Cowboys / Badlanders). That's an interesting editorial decision though given that there's only 1 book scheduled... is this the first indication that the extension might be extended?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 19 September, 2020, 10:01:59 AM
Only the first book of the new Flesh has ever been collected in any form, yes? That's always struck me as odd.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 September, 2020, 10:17:36 AM
Quote from: sintec on 19 September, 2020, 09:37:57 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 18 September, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
So that's Classic Flesh then from the credits. And Firekind twinned with Leatherjack. Grand!

... no wait,  James McKay worked on it from 1724 onwards. And also: that spine is out of space, so other creators could be included but not listed.

Yeah I was expecting this was just going to be a slimish volume with just the first 2 books from the classic era. Those first 2 books only come to 165 pages of strip though so there's space for one of the McKay drawn strips (Texas / Midnight Cowboys / Badlanders). That's an interesting editorial decision though given that there's only 1 book scheduled... is this the first indication that the extension might be extended?

The 2011 version has the first McKay voilume - Texas (I always seem to upgrade my Flesh coillections in the hope of getting the perfect collection!) and comes in at 272 pages (according to Amazon too lazy to go to the nerd room to check) and so they might just drop that in. OR they could be a little more interesting and drop in things like Legend of Shamana  or Chronocide (which I think is quite good if I'm honest).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 September, 2020, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: sintec on 19 September, 2020, 09:37:57 AMis this the first indication that the extension might be extended?
I'm not sure there's that much planning in these things. They run however long they run for. Lawless was at the end of the Dredd volume and ended part-way through the run (and half-way through one of the Rebellion trades). I guess we should just take what we can get and be happy with that—and that at least some stuff (Red Seas) is looking like it will be a complete set.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 September, 2020, 12:17:50 PM
Yeah you're probably right IndigoPrime. More likely this is just following the Dino Files contents because they've got that to hand. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Interesting that so far the order is matching the list we've had from ages ago... if they stick to that then the following month (November) will be the first book of The Red Seas and Lobster Random.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 19 September, 2020, 05:37:38 PM
I am tempted to pick up 'Flesh' in this format as I have never read any of it before. Could anyone say whether it's any good and would be a worthwhile purchase?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 September, 2020, 06:07:24 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 19 September, 2020, 05:37:38 PM
I am tempted to pick up 'Flesh' in this format as I have never read any of it before. Could anyone say whether it's any good and would be a worthwhile purchase?

I would typically scream HELL YEAH at the top of my voice but it is what it is. Book 1 is one of my all time favourites. Perfectly paced, self contained action adventure with one of the icons of 2000ad Old One Eye - the great She Hag leading the way... oh and some cowboys or other.

Book 2 makes the best of another great character from this series Claw Carver a fantastic scoundrel and villain. In typical 2000ad style both stories and dominated by their glorious 'villains'.

It is however an adventure comic from the late 70s aimed at young folk. So if that tickles you, you will be fine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 September, 2020, 04:58:57 AM
I do have the Flesh 'phone book' edition that was released a wee while back that had volumes 1 and 2 as well as a few other stories.  I guess that's more than will be in this new book?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 September, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 20 September, 2020, 04:58:57 AM
I do have the Flesh 'phone book' edition that was released a wee while back that had volumes 1 and 2 as well as a few other stories.  I guess that's more than will be in this new book?

Colin mentioned upthread that Amazon has the dino files listed as being 272 pages, that's ~20 pages bigger than the largest book so far.  However my counts for the books are based on pages of strip as listed on Barney and exclude cover galleries and the like. If we take the counts from Barney for the content of Dino Files then it comes in at (87+78+10+61+6+6) = 248 which is comparable to some of the bigger books we've had. If we get all that strip then there's not going to be much room for cover galleries or articles (I'm assuming that's what makes up the other 20 pages of Dino Files?).

All of which is a long winded way of saying... we don't really know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Zenith 666 on 21 September, 2020, 08:59:23 AM
81 and 82 are up on the Hachette website so the extensions definitely happening it seems.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 September, 2020, 12:52:32 PM
Yep. Had confirmation on Facebook also. Still can't login, mind. Gah.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 21 September, 2020, 03:54:09 PM
Have you tried logging in with your subscriber number instead of email address? My experience has been the same - password expired but no reminder mail ever arrives. I can view my deliveries using the subscriber number though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 September, 2020, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 21 September, 2020, 03:54:09 PM
Have you tried logging in with your subscriber number instead of email address? My experience has been the same - password expired but no reminder mail ever arrives. I can view my deliveries using the subscriber number though.
when I try this I get: "Please create an account to link your contract". And I cannot add the sub to my existing account either. I've asked about this, to which their reply was "We are aware of the problems regarding your online accounts not showing all your subscriptions and this is something we are currently looking into for you."
The books still seem to be coming at least
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 September, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
Same. Can't link the account to my details. Presumably something screwed up with their flashy new site, but it's annoying.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 22 September, 2020, 12:23:03 PM
Anyone got the Savage replacement?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 22 September, 2020, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 22 September, 2020, 12:23:03 PM
Anyone got the Savage replacement?

I think it's scheduled to come with the start of the extension, issues 81/72
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 23 September, 2020, 06:27:13 PM
Chased them up for 79 and 80 and had a reply
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I can confirm we have processed issues 79, 80 and the premium gift 6 for you on 18/09/2020. This order should be with yourself within 14 days from this date but please do allow slightly longer due to the current climate. The direct debit is due to be taken on 01/10/2020 for £22.98.

So should be delivered round end of the month
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 09:30:51 AM
I have a standard sub and 79/80 just landed. Curiously, there is no note inside about an extension, despite this being confirmed on Facebook. I _really_ hope they will be sending subscribers a letter or email, or they're going to have an awful lot of pissed off people in about four weeks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 September, 2020, 09:36:05 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 09:30:51 AM
I have a standard sub and 79/80 just landed. Curiously, there is no note inside about an extension, despite this being confirmed on Facebook. I _really_ hope they will be sending subscribers a letter or email, or they're going to have an awful lot of pissed off people in about four weeks.

I don't think there was anything for Transformers either. It's standard Hachette practise, and Eaglemoss for that matter, although they do put out an email with future solicits to subbers so I expect I will know if Legends Of Batman will go past 80 soon enough.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 10:23:45 AM
Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I remember _something_ for the Dredd collection.

As for Legends of Batman, I see Eaglemoss did a Hachette with radically reducing the number of copies after a certain point. I'd have quite liked a Year One, but they're insanely expensive whenever they come up on eBay. (I don't 25-quid want one.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 30 September, 2020, 01:32:52 PM
So, I thought I'd ask...

This from their customer service, regarding a definitive announcement regarding the extension.  Emphasis my own.

"Thank you for your message.
I can confirm the collection has been extended to 140. There should be an email sent to confirm this. Please be assured you can cancel your subscription at issue 80 or 111 and will still have a complete spine artwork.
Thanks"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 September, 2020, 01:47:41 PM
111 did always seem like an odd (pun intended) number to end on given they ship these in pairs. Let the speculation begin on the content of the other 29 books I guess.

Hopefully another volume of Stickleback will be in there collecting Number of the Beast, The Thru'penny Opera and the story currently running in the prog. A 2nd volume of Fall Of Deadworld wouldn't go amiss either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 September, 2020, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: dossa1uk on 30 September, 2020, 01:32:52 PM
I can confirm the collection has been extended to 140.
!!!!!!!!

Well, last time they extended it was as simple as asking on Facebook to get the list, so...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
140? Er. I mean, this is _good_, but I suspect I won't be buying a great deal of Rebellion books for the next two and a half years then!

I also found an app for the JD collection recently; I rather wish there was one for this now as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 September, 2020, 02:13:31 PM
Well its clearly doing okay which must be a good sign so positive news. Be interesting to see what they add to the coverage. Still plenty of stuff to mine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 September, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
I also found an app for the JD collection recently; I rather wish there was one for this now as well.

Think I spoke to the guy who made that a while back; it's iOS only isn't it?
I briefly chatted to him about attempting to do an Android version but never got anywhere with actually coding anything. One of those I'd love to do it but I also already spend 40 hours a week writing code so it can be hard to find the enthusiasm for personal projects on the side.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 30 September, 2020, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 30 September, 2020, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: dossa1uk on 30 September, 2020, 01:32:52 PM
I can confirm the collection has been extended to 140.
!!!!!!!!

Well, last time they extended it was as simple as asking on Facebook to get the list, so...

A very good idea!  So, I asked, and they just sent the same list we've all seen, running up to 111. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 September, 2020, 02:28:40 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
I suspect I won't be buying a great deal of Rebellion books for the next two and a half years then!

I'd have said the same but then there's things like these limited Nemesis books, and America. They always find a way to make a double/triple dip.

And realising this means it's overall a 60 book extension now, which is almost as long as the original run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 September, 2020, 02:29:52 PM
Quote from: dossa1uk on 30 September, 2020, 02:26:06 PM
A very good idea!  So, I asked, and they just sent the same list we've all seen, running up to 111.
Maybe it's not confirmed yet then.

Think we can expect more of The Order, for one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 02:29:59 PM
It's quite possible there's no set-in-stone plan yet beyond issue 111, which, remember, takes us through to early 2022. Given the way these collections tend to work, I imagine books will mine whatever existing Rebellion collections haven't been covered, probably throw more Dredd/Dreddworld into the mix, and give HC treatment to at least some collections Rebellion itself releases over the next year or two.

Quote from: Tomwe on 30 September, 2020, 02:28:40 PMI'd have said the same but then there's things like these limited Nemesis books, and America.
I'll make exceptions as well—but will likely head more towards Treasury books, or items that are clearly one-offs (like the Nemesis volumes, although I'm still mulling over those).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 30 September, 2020, 02:35:50 PM
Strange one, and bit niche no doubt, but any possibility that Bob Byrne's stuff might be collected? I'm not even sure how much he produced for 2000AD, but i was a massive fan of his biographical stuff back in the days when i'd fallen away from comic books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 02:50:32 PM
According to Barney, his output to date is 120 pages, which would be a pretty skinny book for this series (but not uncommon in some other partworks).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 30 September, 2020, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 02:50:32 PM
According to Barney, his output to date is 120 pages, which would be a pretty skinny book for this series (but not uncommon in some other partworks).

Cheers!

I'd be happy to hunt down the issues anyway, but i'll hold off in case he makes it into the Ultimate Collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 30 September, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
Quote from: dossa1uk on 30 September, 2020, 01:32:52 PM
I can confirm the collection has been extended to 140.

Finally a chance for the WORST OF BISHOP collection the world has been craving!
Soul Sisters!
Dead Men Walking!
The Straitjacket Fits!
And several mediocre to poor one-offs!
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 30 September, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
140 volumes? My poor shelves!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 30 September, 2020, 05:17:05 PM
 I'm happy they have extended and will pick up the few collections to fill in some gaps of my Tooth library. For the most part their volumes have been good quality and I do prefer a HC to paper back. The issue I have is the lack of availability of back issues. I didn't subscribe as I couldn't justify the expense of double dipping to the wife and there's stuff I didn't want.
With Hachette not holding back stock and the Rebellion shop running down their stocks in favour of digital that unfortunately leaves any newcomers, lapsed fans or the likes of me who missed out at the time of release who prefer a physical book to hold will now have to keep trawling the auction sites with our fingers crossed to pick up any gems at affordable prices.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 30 September, 2020, 06:54:10 PM
Complete Defoe, Stickleback and The Order for the extension? I certainly hope so!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 September, 2020, 08:53:08 PM
More Dredd/Future Shocks? Hopefully more John Smith - Revere and Cradlegrave. And Armoured Gideon! What else is on the wishlist?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2020, 09:12:14 PM
Oh, man. Armoured Gideon would be fantastic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 01 October, 2020, 10:31:15 AM
Just spent some time paging through Barney looking at the thrills missing so far from the 500-800 era where I came in. Armoured Gideon, The War Machine and selected ...Dogs (Steve Pugh etc) are what jump out. Obv Luke Kirby would be a good choice but I have that already. Similarly, FINN was excellent (I've just been reading Mills' history of 2000ad) but that should follow 3rd World War into print first?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 October, 2020, 11:10:57 AM
The series has been so Mills-heavy, I can't imagine we won't get Finn, although I personally really didn't like that strip for all the obvious reasons. War Machine would be an odd omission if it didn't happen. I imagine 29 additional volumes means a reasonable amount of Dredd will rock up. Luke Kirby would be an obvious once, since Rebellion already has the content ready and has issued its own volume.

Beyond finishing out series that got cut off in the main run (Kingdom, etc.) and, again, Armoured Gideon, I'd like to also see Medivac (assuming rights issues can be dealt with), the rest of The Order, Hope, The Dead, Necronauts, Revere, more Lawless (although this would be very awkward if the 'no duplication' rule is adhered to), Cradlegrave (not sure how—perhaps back with other horror, like, hey Necronauts!), Leviathan and Age of the Wolf.

I just hope the objective quality level stays high.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 01 October, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
Really would love to see Revere again after all these years. The art was phenomenal, and the story was, from what i remember, suitably odd.

Have Cradlegrave in GN form, but would love it in Hardback, as it is probably one of my favourite stories since i came back to reading 2000AD.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 01 October, 2020, 12:43:00 PM
Got my Dante figure today, I can foresee quite a few complaints about bent or broken guns.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 October, 2020, 01:06:43 PM
Yikes. Lack of packaging again?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 01 October, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
so glad this has been extended.Hope it gets extended again again
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 01 October, 2020, 06:48:52 PM
I can understand it being extended to 111 issues as there will be a lot of good stuff, but is there enough good stuff for another 29 issues to take it up to 140
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 02 October, 2020, 09:25:28 AM
I only really know the period from prog 500 - 850 or so well, but I can think of a few items that I would be happy to see in the collection:

Revere (pair with bradley for a nearly complete simon harrison collection?)
Brigand Doom (if not enough pages add in Silo for dave d'anquist collection)
Rogue trooper war machine + more friday (please all the chris weston art and john smith written stories)
Armoured Gideon
Strontium Dogs (would be great to have it all in one volume if possible)
Maniac 5
Peter Milligan "shorts" - tribal memories + The dead
John Smith "shorts" - slaughterbowl + Danzig's Inferno
Bix Barton
Bad City Blues
Universal Soldier (add in Kelly's eye?)
Night Zero / Below Zero / Beyond Zero
Finn

I would also LOVE to see some things from the mega collection extended if that was possible
Lawless
Dark Judges - dominion & torture garden
A volume with the Hershey stories from the megazine and later 2000ad
another anderson volume

I am sure I could go on but I think if I can come up with a list like this there must be a lot more that could be chosen from the later progs I don't know about ....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 October, 2020, 09:31:44 AM
That last volume of Slaine really is a bit naff isn't it. It's basically a extended episode of Jeremy Kyle where [spoiler]Slaine's mum get's slut shamed for putting it about and we discover his "dad" wasn't just a pathetic drunk but was actually an abuser who beat his son and intentionaly manipulated events to kill his wife for her indiscretions. Eventually a paternity test is delivered via some druid magic that Slaine just happened to have acquired back in the day but which has never been mentioned before now.[/spoiler]. There's also a bunch of shouting and some brawling none of which really adds anything to the story beyond some great art. I can't help but feel that 80s Pat could have told this tale in 4-5 episodes rather than spread across 2 books where it just starts to feel repetative.

A sad end - here's hoping the forthcoming series in the prog won't suffer the same drawn out fate.

Quote from: Hackenbush on 02 October, 2020, 09:25:28 AM
Dark Judges - dominion & torture garden

Dominion has already been revealed as one of the first extension (issue 94 if they stick to the ordering announced).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 October, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
also maybe extensions of some prior mega collection and ultimate collection stuff

the rest of ace trucking (may not be good but completes complete)

more sin/dex (really overdue)

lawless

some much needed dredd that was missing from mega collection (like pirates of the black athlantic)

the a.b.c warriors stuff not reprinted

more the order

more defoe

absalom is confirmed in the intro to vol 80 did we know this already

as for stuff not reprinted at all assuming zeniths a nope

revere

armoured gideon

the zero trilogy

luke kirby (i know theres a book already just stating stuff worth reprinting in the uc)

canon fodder (maybe in a best of chris weston book? please matt?)

mean arena

harlem heroes (if reprinted that means everything but dan dare and mach 1 has been in the uc from prog 1

what the hell add mach 1 as well even if some of it is racist as feck

a tharg collection would be nice too
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2020, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: sintec on 02 October, 2020, 09:31:44 AMThat last volume of Slaine really is a bit naff isn't it.
Brutania Chronicles started so well. That first book was full of weirdness and fantastic art. To me, it felt like Sláine does Hellboy. It felt like a new beginning. And then... the other books happened. SHOUTY ALL-CAPS RANTS. And, yeah, stretching plots out and the plots themselves... not good.

Quote from: Hackenbush on 02 October, 2020, 09:25:28 AMI only really know the period from prog 500 - 850 or so well
Having lived through it, I think 'diminishing returns' sums it up nicely. Around 500, the Prog was still strong. By the late 600s, the rot had set in. By 850, the Prog was around its nadir, where often you'd have perhaps one good story propping the whole thing up — and that was very rarely Dredd. So any collection that wants to keep its objective quality level high would have to be very careful about what to include. Of your list:

Revere: I really liked this, but it was and remains divisive. It's weird. It's Smith at his most tripped-out. But I'd happily read it again. Not sure I'd back it with Bradley, though, which was awful at the time and is horribly dated now.

Brigand Doom: This really, really wanted to be 2000 AD's V for Vendetta. It was OK. Lovely art, but rather meandering and aimless. Silo was an entertainingly short Die Hard rip, and one of the very few things Millar wrote for 2000 AD at the time that wasn't awful/sexist/homophobic.

Rogue trooper war machine + more friday (please all the chris weston art and john smith written stories): That would work for me. A proper cherry pick of the good bits, which is more or less War Machine + whatever Smith wrote. Most of the rest was garbage. Steve White's run was an improvement, but a continuity mess that I have no interest in revisiting. I did like Tor Cyan, though, and so perhaps there's something there.

Armoured Gideon: I really, really, really hope we can get this as a single volume, with basically everything. I always loved Jacob's art (despite his odd humans). Gideon's design is wonderful. At about 270 pages of strip, it's probably too big. I wonder how it'd work if The Collector was removed? That'd be about 200 pages of strip, and provide space for covers and star scans.

Strontium Dogs: There's quite a lot of non-Alpha stuff to be mined, which is of very variable quality. Tales From The Doghouse was quite nice, if a touch throwaway. Then you have Monsters (rather nice and touching, as I recall), all the Gronk stuff (risible crap, bar How The Gronk Got His Heartses), and Peter Hogan's attempt to create a new continuity (which was eventually guillotined).

There's also Durham Red's Grant/Ezquerra solo strip, Island of the Damned (62 pages), which could live alongside post-Abnett Grant-penned strip (36 pages) and Worley's soft reboot (59 pages). There are some other bits and bobs from specials that could pad this out, along with The Scarlet Apocrypha if that hasn't already been in the collection. (This would, however, require a helpful Matt Smith intro to explain all the different versions of Red!)

Maniac 5: Urgh. Nice art, but Mark Millar does bland.

Peter Milligan "shorts" - tribal memories + The dead: Both of those strips are superb. Milligan also did Freaks (78 pages of strip) and Shadows (53) and so there's plenty to work with.

John Smith "shorts" - slaughterbowl + Danzig's Inferno: Feels a bit John Smith's dregs, TBH.

Bix Barton: I never had a lot of love for Bix, but reckon he merits a re-read in some form.

Bad City Blues: I recall this was fine, in the classic 2000 AD mould, but nothing special. Very much League One material, to use a terrible football analogy.

Universal Soldier (add in Kelly's eye?): And now the publisher wouldn't nearly get sued for using characters they don't own! :D I always thought US, while a bit clichéd, was a solid effort from McKenzie, who only really excelled with Like Kirby. It'd be a skinny volume though.

Night Zero / Below Zero / Beyond Zero: He's tough. He's sexist. He's a MAN. In a SCI-FI. In a COMIC. With a DAME.

Finn: Mills in conspiracy theory overdrive. I never got the love for this, but I don't for a second imagine it's not coming. I just hope it won't take up too many books.

On the Meg stuff, Lawless remains the problem. It'd have to start halfway through, with people no longer able to access the first bit. Would that piss people off too much? I dunno.


As for The Monarch's list: I'll be OK with Harlem Heroes, despite it being very much of its time and deeply problematic in a whole range of areas. But I don't recall — art aside — Mean Arena having any redeeming features whatsoever. (Note: we know the collection's been extended one time too many with McKenzie's Mean Arena reboot is a book all of its own!) Tharg strips? Urgh. I recall back in the day when Best of 2000 AD was stuffed full of those. It was the worst issue to that point by a country mile. In the Prog, as one-offs, they are tolerable. An entire 200-page book of the things would be as trying as the worst of the Dredd books!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 02 October, 2020, 11:45:49 AM
140?!

My wife is going to kill me
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2020, 12:23:20 PM
Not if you strategically hide 30 or so volumes under a large hat.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 October, 2020, 12:57:12 PM
A Ken Niemand Dredd book would be an excellent addition - I wonder if there's enough Niemand Dredd to fill one out?
Going by Barney there's ~100 pages of strip but that's doesn't include some of the more recent series so I reckon it might be plausible by the time we get to volume 112.

And while we're on potential Dredd volumes a collection of the recent Wagner Dredds would be superb too. Harvey, Machine Law, Gautemala is ~130 pages so room for a couple of other stories too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rately on 02 October, 2020, 01:12:00 PM
Quote from: sintec on 02 October, 2020, 12:57:12 PM
A Ken Niemand Dredd book would be an excellent addition - I wonder if there's enough Niemand Dredd to fill one out?
Going by Barney there's ~100 pages of strip but that's doesn't include some of the more recent series so I reckon it might be plausible by the time we get to volume 112.

And while we're on potential Dredd volumes a collection of the recent Wagner Dredds would be superb too. Harvey, Machine Law, Gautemala is ~130 pages so room for a couple of other stories too.

Having that recent Wagner Dredd in Hardback would be brilliant.

As for the Wife, she is convinced I've started another subscription!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 October, 2020, 01:12:51 PM
Brigand Doom? Fr1day? Maniac 5?! I don't want to thrill-shame any body's choices, but with the best will in the world I think it needs to be borne in mind that this is The Ultimate Collection - it's about showcasing (nominally) Tharg's best, not just about sticking everything in hardcovers.

Anyway, here's some speculations from me, based on finishing off existing series, or just stuff that seems viable (files already compiled for an existing collection, series was complete and finished, material is just good quality).

Kingdom x1
ABC Warriors x2
Sinister Dexter x3
Brass Sun x2
Stickleback x1
Survival Geeks x1
The Order x1
Defoe x1
Horror Collections x2 (Necronauts/Leviathan/Cradlegrave/Chiaroscuro/etc)
Atavar x1
More Future Shocks x1
Summer Magic x1
Skip Tracer x1 (I know, I know, but Tharg seems to like it)

Just off the top of my head that's another 18 books without any Dredd world stuff!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 02 October, 2020, 01:29:12 PM
Am I the only one who would like Mambo? I bloody loved Mambo. The body-horror element blew my mind. Though I guess I was a very, very young man at the time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 October, 2020, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 02 October, 2020, 01:12:51 PM
Skip Tracer x1 (I know, I know, but Tharg seems to like it)
Aw. Dark Jimbo beat me to it! I was just thinking this at lunch. This latest thrill brings it up to a good page count for a collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2020, 01:44:33 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 02 October, 2020, 01:29:12 PMAm I the only one who would like Mambo? I bloody loved Mambo.
That has about 150 strip pages, and so would be viable. Honestly, I don't remember a huge amount about it, but also don't remember actively disliking it.

Niemand Dredd would be good, as would new Wagner. The more I think about it, the more I reckon a Milligan volume needs to happen. I guess there's relative freedom now, too, given that this is subs-based rather than trying to draw people's eye on the newsstand.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 October, 2020, 02:00:32 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2020, 01:44:33 PM
The more I think about it, the more I reckon a Milligan volume needs to happen. I guess there's relative freedom now, too, given that this is subs-based rather than trying to draw people's eye on the newsstand.

That's a great shout - Counterfeit Girl, Freaks, Faces, The Dead, Tribal Memories... An eclectic collection to say the least, but easily enough for a book!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 October, 2020, 02:08:42 PM
Feel like there's almost certainly going to be at least one volume of 70s era stuff in there.  Harlem Heroes does feel like the obvious call but the page counts are an awkward fit for the Hachette Volumes:

Harlem Heroes - 112 (too short to stand alone)
Inferno - 183 (perfect for a solo volume)
Harlem Heroes (Fleisher reboot) - 186 (also perfect for a solo volume but as I understand it not highly regarded).

The other one I could see happening is Shako as the bear seems to be popular with Tharg at the minute.  It'd need pairing with something though as it's only 86 pages (including the annual story).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2020, 02:11:34 PM
The Harlem Heroes reboot can get in the sea. It was one of the lowest points in the Prog, even if some of the art was nice. It'd be a waste of repro effort, paper and, frankly, atoms to have that in this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 October, 2020, 02:33:23 PM
If you need to pad out a Harlem Heroes volume adding something Second City Blues as another example of 2000ad sport seems a better idea than the reboot stuff. Nice contrast in eras too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 October, 2020, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 02 October, 2020, 02:33:23 PM
If you need to pad out a Harlem Heroes volume adding something Second City Blues as another example of 2000ad sport seems a better idea than the reboot stuff. Nice contrast in eras too.

An extra 71 pages would be perfect to fill that volume so yeah that'd work.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 02 October, 2020, 04:48:43 PM
Incredibly unlikely to happen but a Summer Offensive volume would be fun in a sort of "what the hell where they thinking" way. Honestly the back matter would be worth the price alone.

Sure I've heard its trash but it is a part of 2000AD history and there's absolutely no chance stuff like Big Dave would get reprinted anywhere else (have there been any Summer Offensive Megazine floppies?).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 02 October, 2020, 05:47:13 PM
They've replied to someone on the Facebook page saying it's 150 issues

Hopefully this works https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2710776682583980?comment_id=2727908370870811&reply_comment_id=2731892190472429
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 October, 2020, 06:14:46 PM
why did you have to remind me the reboot mean arena was a thing...I think that was one of the last straws that pushed me towards sonic the comic :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 02 October, 2020, 06:29:02 PM
150 gulp have to start working on mrs moly to extend the bookcase again, she won't be happy
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 02 October, 2020, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: moly on 02 October, 2020, 06:29:02 PM
150 gulp have to start working on mrs moly to extend the bookcase again, she won't be happy

I'm about to buy a new flat and dreading moving collection so far. Hoping to go from South Coast to Scotland in 5 years time, that will be fun with all these books!

In regards to Dante figure, not sure any more packaging would save it, the gun is just too long and thin

https://imgur.com/SEIZhgo
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2020, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 02 October, 2020, 04:48:43 PMIncredibly unlikely to happen but a Summer Offensive volume would be fun in a sort of "what the hell where they thinking" way. Honestly the back matter would be worth the price alone.
Inferno's already been in the Dredd collection. That leaves the dull Maniac 5, the nicely drawn but written in a day fluff of Really & Truly (available in the HC Yesterday's Tomorrows, if anyone's desperate), the reasonable-but-less-good-than-other-John-Smith-strips Slaughterbowl (reprinted in Extreme Edition #23), and the risible Big Dave. I'm not sure I'd care for the back matter. At the time, Morrison and Millar were so arrogant about what they were doing; these days, would they even give a shit? And I certainly don't need 2000 AD editors of the time justifying this garbage or dismissing it. We had too many Dredd volumes where the back matter was essentially "yeah, that was shit, because I was a rubbish writer at the time". Yeah, thanks. That just cost me ten quid.

QuoteSure I've heard its trash but it is a part of 2000AD history and there's absolutely no chance stuff like Big Dave would get reprinted anywhere else
Good. It's awful. It was awful at the time. It's horrible, racist, homophobic trash that misunderstands that you don't become the thing you're satirising when doing satire. Morrison back then thought he was being all clever and that people were missing the point. More, it's that he at the time had no idea how to write satire—or just didn't care. (Millar had his own issues, judging by his truly awful Robo-Hunter (http://sequart.org/magazine/29636/whats-the-point-chief-shameless-mark-millar-part-26/), which he claimed had won awards. God knows where.)

If you're genuinely interested in this stuff, someone's selling 841–844 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000AD-1993-x4-841-842-843-844/254579734531?hash=item3b46227803:g:2LMAAOSwxfhepJ4V) and 845–849 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000AD-1993-x5-845-846-847-848-849/254579608060?hash=item3b462089fc:g:aGMAAOSw6LZepHao) on eBay, for two quid buy-it-now a set. Ten quid in all (the same price as a Hachette book!), and seven if he'll combine postage.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 02 October, 2020, 08:04:57 PM
I want a Maniac 5 collected edition. It's complete trash, but it's not dull.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
Perhaps I'll give it another read, but I remember it being run-of-the-mill, generic and largely devoid of new ideas. It was like a Michael Bay Transformers film—lots of BOOM EXPLOSIONS BIG STOMPY ROBOTS—that was somehow hollow and just... there.

My _guess_ is that if the repro isn't there, it probably won't be done specially for this collection. My _hope_ is that there might be exceptions for some of the good stuff (c.f. the Milligan content). But I guess we'll see. With Hachette now saying there will be 150 books, that almost doubles the size of the initial run (and, as much as I love 2000 AD, is starting to feel like overreach).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 02 October, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
Perhaps I'll give it another read, but I remember it being run-of-the-mill, generic and largely devoid of new ideas.
It doesn't do anything new, no - it's the usual hodge-podge of purloined influences - but it executes its ideas with a kind of breathlessly unpleasant panache, characteristic of Millar. It certain has more inventiveness and personality than a Michael Bay flick, even if that personality's a cruel one (and one at odds with Millar's rather amiable-if-hucksterish persona.) Plus - prime-era Steve Yeowell art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 October, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
didn't the pre rebellion owners want nothing to do with big dave so much they let morrison and millar take the rights to it? or am i imagining that?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 02 October, 2020, 11:15:59 PM
I'm with everyone on the suggestions so far.Theres bags of material for 140 books and more
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2020, 03:20:06 AM
Yes I suppose it is a bit of a stretch to put some of the more middling strips I mentioned in an "Ultimate collection"
As for Maniac 5 - I just LOVE Steve Yeowell's art - so much so I even bought Skrull Kill Krew. It does seem a shame that Maniac 5 never got reprinted anywhere. Grant Morrison told me at a convention that Mark Millar sued 2000Ad over continuing Canon Fodder with another writer. Maybe some of the Millar stories not being reprinted is partly due to that.

Brigand Doom - yes again it's for the Art. Also maybe my taste was simpler when I was younger.

I was hoping someone would pipe up wanting some of the more obscure strips from after I stopped reading. I have really enjoyed reading the newer strips in the collection so far - especially Dante and Kingdom. I really do expect there will be a fair amount of great stuff that can be showcased even if it means a few mixed volumes like the hewligans haircut one that had several short different series in it.

Hey - it's not like I asked for Kola Kommandoes plus the Grudgefather, or for a Trash and Junker volume ...



Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 03 October, 2020, 07:52:10 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2020, 03:20:06 AM
Grant Morrison told me at a convention that Mark Millar sued 2000Ad over continuing Canon Fodder with another writer. Maybe some of the Millar stories not being reprinted is partly due to that.

'Sued 2000AD' isn't quite accurate, Millar sent the comic a lawyer's letter complaining about Canon Fodder being handed to a new writer, claiming the character was entirely his own creation. He seemed to have forgotten that Chris Weston co-created the series! Not to mention the irony of Millar complaining about being usurped on a strip, having happily other writers' 2000AD series.

IIRC, an agreement was reached confirming all rights in Big Dave belonged to the creators of that series, while the rights to all other Millar scripted series were assigned to 2000AD - including Maniac 5.

It's in Chapter 12 of TPO, btw.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 03 October, 2020, 09:11:38 AM
Unfortunately all of Millar's creations for the prog was not very memorable. So if he kept the rights for Cannon fodder, I cannot see that as too big off a lost. It is not like that prog is overflowing with his creations.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 October, 2020, 06:54:04 PM
I mean if we lost canon fodder before the kek-w series i would say its not a loss but with that one....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 03 October, 2020, 08:10:55 PM
If the Mighty Green One is reading this, please may this humble Earthlet add a further vote for Brigand Doom being collected in the extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: don wiskerando on 04 October, 2020, 10:42:49 PM
What about Stainless Steel Rat and The V.Cs?   I have fond memories of both but I haven't read either for at least a couple of decades.

Actually SSR would probably, need permission from the estate of Harry Harrison.  I might just reread the books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 04 October, 2020, 11:00:16 PM
Another vote for Revere here.

Also any themed collection that included Peter Milligan's Shadows please, I've never read it. Or just stick it in a Megazine floppy.

Just ordered Firekind from Forbidden Planet. Even though the Extreme Edition version I have has such lovely big pages so I'll probably just read that one again. And I already have the Leatherjack collection. Hey ho! Hardcovers are nice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 October, 2020, 11:20:07 PM
Stainless Steel Rat would indeed need permission from the estate, which might make it unviable.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 05 October, 2020, 12:39:22 AM
Bring me....Barton.

Bix Barton.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 October, 2020, 08:32:41 AM
Don Wiskerando - V.Cs is already slated for two books in the first extension (which should be all of it). Last we heard they were going to be issues 91 and 100.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: don wiskerando on 05 October, 2020, 08:53:37 AM
Cheers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 05 October, 2020, 10:18:33 AM
I'd love the complete Canon Fodder between hard covers, but I'm guessing it's not long enough. Man, some of the art on that blew my teenage mind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 05 October, 2020, 10:41:25 AM
The first 80 issues contain practically nothing from the last 8 years, and very little from the 8 years before that. If the 39 issues yet to be announced only include strips from this millenium, I will be very happy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 October, 2020, 11:01:19 AM
Quote from: Arkady on 05 October, 2020, 10:18:33 AMI'd love the complete Canon Fodder between hard covers, but I'm guessing it's not long enough. Man, some of the art on that blew my teenage mind.
90 strip pages, and so about half a book. Great art, as you say; I was... less convinced about the writing on re-reading it in the Megazine floppies some years back. (Good grief. I just did a quick calculation and there have been almost 140 floppies now.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 05 October, 2020, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: davidbishop on 03 October, 2020, 07:52:10 AM
IIRC, an agreement was reached confirming all rights in Big Dave belonged to the creators of that series, while the rights to all other Millar scripted series were assigned to 2000AD - including Maniac 5.

It's in Chapter 12 of TPO, btw.

Thanks - you would know far better than me recalling secondhand gossip. It's great to know that the strips are able to be re-printed. I will try to hunt down a copy if TPO at some point.

FWIW I do prize my Summer offensive issues, even if they include the worst dredd mega epic in history. Even Carlos art cant make Inferno feel like it fits into Dredd's world.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 October, 2020, 11:49:23 AM
The Summer Offensive did at least shake things up. But it did it in a manner like shaking up a bottle of Cola, and when you remove the cap it explodes in your face, leaving you drenched in goo and feeling crap.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 October, 2020, 02:31:54 PM
Having got to the end of the initial run of 80 it seems like the perfect time to look at some numbers. Including the Mega Collection we've now got all of the strip from 105 progs:

233, 320, 322-325, 327, 329-332, 334-345, 358-359, 363, 378-381, 383-385, 390-392, 405-406, 412-418, 425, 428, 430-433, 501, 507-508, 555-556, 562-563, 1077, 1092-1095, 1100, 1138, 1150, 1161, 1165-1167, 1183-1189, 1261, 1400, 1518-1520, 1523-1525, 1569-1573, 1616, 1650-1654, 1666-1671, 1675-1676, 1812

Counting up to Prog 2174 (the most recent Barney has data for) there are only 314 progs from which we've got none off the strips. 70 of those are from the 700-1000 range and 178 of them are from prog 1911 onwards. Although given that the UC started around the same time prog 2045 was released it's not that surprising we've not had much from 2045 onwards (Slaine - Archon and Caballistics - Visiting Hour being the only exceptions).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: MumboJimbo on 06 October, 2020, 08:44:04 AM
I love these kind of stats deep dives, so thanks for doing that!

Surprised the classic run circa prog 655 isn't in there, when we had Zenith Book 3, the Dead Man, pre-Necropolis Dredd, Song of the Surfer and Slaine Horned God. I guess that's because Zenith is creator owned? It would be great if some deal could be struck for the extensions.

Also I guess a large chunk around 400 isn't there because of Helltrekkers' long run. That was generally a great time for the prog with Nemesis Book 4, City of the Damned and Rogue finally getting the traitor general, although the later had the same effect on the strip as the reveal of Laura Palmer's killer did on Twin Peaks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 06 October, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
Helltrekkers is in mega collection volume 68.

It will be something else omitted.

At the risk of proving myself to just want all the old stuff I remember shoved into the collection, I would not mind if Rouges Hit stories ended up in it. Steve Dillon can do no wrong. Even the convoluted wrap up story from the winter special was fun.

And how about a rest of Robo-hunter volume with the Peter Hogan / Rian Huges stuff, paired with the later Samantha Slade stories?

As for a Canon Fodder volume - make it focus on everything not already collected with art by Chris Weston. There are several Rogue trooper stories from specials, and a Robo Hunter one, as well as some early Dredd strips like Hottie U. Might be enough to make it work...

Or pair it with Maniac 5 

I would also love to see more artist themed Dredd Volumes - there is a lot of Peter Doherty work not collected yet ( Justice One, Roadkill etc).

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 October, 2020, 09:29:53 AM
As Hackenbush just posted, Helltrekkers made the Mega Collection (Volume 68 Cursed Earth Carnage).

It's mostly missing Future Shocks and Dredds that hold us back from complete progs in the early 400s. Then there's a run of Mean Team leading into the mid-400s followed by The Doppelgarp and Garpet Baggers which weren't included in the Ace Trucking books. And at the end of the 400s there's Metalzoic which we don't have (and I doubt we'll be getting). We've got 50% or more of the majority of the progs throughout this era, it's just rare we hit the 100% mark because of 1 or 2 missing pieces.

The 600s are actually quite sparse. We've got some near misses in the 650s where we've got everything except Zenith but either side of that there are a lot of issues where we've only got 1 or 2 strips. From that era we're missing things like Bradley, Bix Barton, Beyond Zero, Zippy Couriers, Armoured Gideon, Moonrunners, Indigo Prime, Medivac 618. We know we're getting Indigo Prime, it'll be interesting to see if any more of those make the 2nd extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: don wiskerando on 06 October, 2020, 02:49:19 PM
Could I politely ask, is there an easy to find list of what is covered in the initial extension?

I can't find anything definitive online.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 October, 2020, 03:23:41 PM
As per oddball's post back in May (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44203.msg1028614#msg1028614), up to 111 are listed as follows:

81 - Flesh
82 - Firekind
83 - The Red Seas
84 - Lobster Random
85 - Savage:  The Guv'nor
86 - Ten-Seconders
87 - The Red Seas Vol 2
88 - Brink
89 - Fiends of the Eastern Front
90 - Greysuit
91 - VCs
92 - Indigo Prime
93 - The Red Seas Vol 3
94 - Dominion
95 - Savage:  Rise Like Lions
96 - Jaegir
97 - Grey Area
98 - Defoe
99 - Inigo Prime Vol 2
100 - VC's Vol 2
101 - The Red Seas Vol 4
102 - Mercy Heights
103 - Absalom
104 - Brink Vol 2
105 - The Order
106 - Grey Area Vol 2
107 - Defoe Vol 2
108 - Tales of Telguuth
109 - Tyranny Rex
110 - Judge Dredd:  the Small House
111 - Strontium Dog:  Repo Men

On Facebook, this is the official extension length, but Hachette reps have also stated 140 or 150 to various people.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 October, 2020, 03:27:17 PM
@Hackenbush: Not sure I could stomach The Hit. Hogan/Hughes RH in colour would be nice, but Samantha Slade was dreadful. Would I want to put up with the latter for the former? Not sure, to be honest.

Artist-themed Dredd volumes would make sense, if they can be made to work well—and the two Hachette volumes have form in that.

@sintec: I think you're right that Metalzoic is a non-starter, given that it's owned by DC. I seem to recall Pat Mills saying there was a reprint happening, but it got canned. That's really sad, given that if a strip deserves lush HC treatment, it's that one. (That said, I prefer the 2000 AD mono treatment to the colour original.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 October, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
Anyone here who's pre-ordered Caballistics book 2 (vol 80) from Forbidden Planet? Not recieved so much as a dispatch email yet and wondering when to start chasing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 October, 2020, 10:35:32 PM
I phoned my local WH Smiths and apparently I have two books sitting which must be 79 and 80.  I ordered the collection before I moved, and I would prefer to have switched but since Smiths is a franchise its not so easy.  I would have to stop the order, get my deposit back and reorder in the Smiths in my town which would possibly mean a gap.  Alternatively there is another newsagents which might get it but there's always the chance of missing an issue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 09 October, 2020, 11:03:49 AM
Just posted on Facebook:

QuoteHi everyone,
We currently have 140 issues planned for this collection. From issue 81 onward, all subscriptions will be standard with no further gifts. If you would not like this extension, please be assured you can cancel your subscription at issue 80 or 111 and you will still have a complete spine artwork. Send us PM and we're more than happy to get this sorted for you.
Apologies for the confusion and any inconveniences caused!

So still 29 mystery volumes - looking forward to see what they've got!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 October, 2020, 11:25:15 AM
Ah, looks like someone took notice of my PM. Looks like another screw-up, then, because a letter was supposed to go out with 79/80, but no-one actually got it. Also, I finally got a password reset email, which I'm 100% certain was fired over manually, but I can now at least login to my account again!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 09 October, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 October, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
Anyone here who's pre-ordered Caballistics book 2 (vol 80) from Forbidden Planet? Not recieved so much as a dispatch email yet and wondering when to start chasing.

I'm waiting on issue 78 which I was charged for over a week ago. Emailed them this evening. Wondering if it's actually out of stock or they've got a backlog of orders to get through.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 10 October, 2020, 11:15:51 AM
Just to pop back on the mentions of Abnett and Annihilation, the omnibus is due back out mid November,  with the long out of print sequel, Annihilation: Conquest, getting a reprint May 2021.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 12 October, 2020, 11:32:41 AM
per the newest issue of 2000ad this week flesh is no 86 and the spine features part of jack dancer and erebus from red seas and one of the worms from the order
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 13 October, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 12 October, 2020, 11:32:41 AM
per the newest issue of 2000ad this week flesh is no 86 and the spine features part of jack dancer and erebus from red seas and one of the worms from the order

How long until we see the full new spine art I wonder...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 October, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 13 October, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
How long until we see the full new spine art I wonder...

I'm honestly surprised it's not been posted in the FB group already. I mean we know what books to expect so it doesn't feel like there can be any spoilers.  I guess it my be getting a redesign to accomodate the extension extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 October, 2020, 04:50:26 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 13 October, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
How long until we see the full new spine art I wonder...

About 60 books time...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 13 October, 2020, 11:20:31 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 13 October, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 12 October, 2020, 11:32:41 AM
per the newest issue of 2000ad this week flesh is no 86 and the spine features part of jack dancer and erebus from red seas and one of the worms from the order

How long until we see the full new spine art I wonder...
Any chance of a photo
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 14 October, 2020, 09:21:49 AM
(https://iili.io/2DKn6b.md.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 14 October, 2020, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: levers on 09 October, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 October, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
Anyone here who's pre-ordered Caballistics book 2 (vol 80) from Forbidden Planet? Not recieved so much as a dispatch email yet and wondering when to start chasing.

I'm waiting on issue 78 which I was charged for over a week ago. Emailed them this evening. Wondering if it's actually out of stock or they've got a backlog of orders to get through.

Still no sign of a dispatch from Forbidden Planet and no response to my emails. They're also not taking calls since the onset of Covid. I've not had an issue with them before, so this is a surprise.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 14 October, 2020, 09:46:54 AM
My copy of Flesh from the Thrill-merchant has arrived with the reprinted Savage volume attached. Contents are:

Book I
Book II
Hand of Glory
Texas
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 October, 2020, 10:13:59 AM
Dino Files minus the couple of annual stories... nice.

Just spotted that Cragdlegrave had dropped into the sale on the 2000ad webshop. No idea if it'll be in the extension extension but think I'm going to run the risk of double dipping on it at that price.  From everything I've heard it's a classic and right up my street as I love a good horror tale.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dr Feeley Good on 14 October, 2020, 12:26:19 PM
I've ordered my copy of Flesh from Forbidden Planet and it's still saying it is due 22nd November!!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 October, 2020, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: levers on 14 October, 2020, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: levers on 09 October, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 October, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
Anyone here who's pre-ordered Caballistics book 2 (vol 80) from Forbidden Planet? Not recieved so much as a dispatch email yet and wondering when to start chasing.

I'm waiting on issue 78 which I was charged for over a week ago. Emailed them this evening. Wondering if it's actually out of stock or they've got a backlog of orders to get through.

Still no sign of a dispatch from Forbidden Planet and no response to my emails. They're also not taking calls since the onset of Covid. I've not had an issue with them before, so this is a surprise.

I got my dispatch email on Saturday - still no sign of the book, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 October, 2020, 12:20:35 PM
Next two covers are up: Red Seas volume 1 and Lobster Random: https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 October, 2020, 12:22:03 PM
Very excited to have Red Seas on the way.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 October, 2020, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 15 October, 2020, 12:20:35 PM
Next two covers are up: Red Seas volume 1 and Lobster Random: https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/)
also nice to see Hachette's quality level continues - the tab headers for those have come up as Greysuit and Defoe Volume One.

EDIT: the other two post-80 book pages have Savage headers as well.

EDIT: the page count on that first Red Seas book is as big as that Life & Death of Johnny Alpha Stront book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 15 October, 2020, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 14 October, 2020, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: levers on 14 October, 2020, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: levers on 09 October, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 October, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
Anyone here who's pre-ordered Caballistics book 2 (vol 80) from Forbidden Planet? Not recieved so much as a dispatch email yet and wondering when to start chasing.

I'm waiting on issue 78 which I was charged for over a week ago. Emailed them this evening. Wondering if it's actually out of stock or they've got a backlog of orders to get through.

Still no sign of a dispatch from Forbidden Planet and no response to my emails. They're also not taking calls since the onset of Covid. I've not had an issue with them before, so this is a surprise.

I got my dispatch email on Saturday - still no sign of the book, though.

Dispatch finally came through today, so looking like I'll have it this time next week!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 October, 2020, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 October, 2020, 12:46:12 PM
EDIT: the page count on that first Red Seas book is as big as that Life & Death of Johnny Alpha Stront book

I'm a little sceptical on those page counts. The Flesh book is listed as 224 pages but according to Barney the 4 stories in there have:

Book I - 87 pages
Book II - 78 pages
Hand of Glory - 10 pages
Texas - 61 pages

Which totals 236 pages of strip and there's got to be at least a handful of pages over that to cover the intro and divider pages between stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 16 October, 2020, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 13 October, 2020, 04:50:26 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 13 October, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
How long until we see the full new spine art I wonder...

About 60 books time...!

Well maybe, but at the launch of the collection they released the entire cover art, even did posters of it. I think I almost hope they don't do that this time though, it will be a nice surprise and fun to watch it build up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 20 October, 2020, 12:50:24 AM
So looking at the list of Flesh strips vs the ones collected is there a reason why a fair amount is skipped over in this book? Unless it's just to do with the fact they only want 1 vol of the series/It's easier just to reflect the content of the Dino Files
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 October, 2020, 01:43:37 AM
I see Jaegir is there as well, is it just the same stuff that's in the Rebellion book or does that include more stories?  I have Jaegir on paperback already and it's a bit thin for one book unless it was being paired with something like the 86ers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 20 October, 2020, 07:04:02 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 20 October, 2020, 12:50:24 AM
So looking at the list of Flesh strips vs the ones collected is there a reason why a fair amount is skipped over in this book? Unless it's just to do with the fact they only want 1 vol of the series/It's easier just to reflect the content of the Dino Files

In Matt Smith's intro he says that The Legend of Shamana doesn't match the grittiness of the original series. I don't think I've ever read Chronocide so I don't know if it links to the rest of the stories.

The stories in the volume are all in the same continuity and all black and white so I guess that was the thinking behind their inclusion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 October, 2020, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 20 October, 2020, 01:43:37 AM
I see Jaegir is there as well, is it just the same stuff that's in the Rebellion book or does that include more stories?  I have Jaegir on paperback already and it's a bit thin for one book unless it was being paired with something like the 86ers.

I'm hoping it'll be more. 1 book is enough space to include everything to date so I'm hoping that's what we're getting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 October, 2020, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 20 October, 2020, 01:43:37 AM
I see Jaegir is there as well, is it just the same stuff that's in the Rebellion book or does that include more stories?  I have Jaegir on paperback already and it's a bit thin for one book unless it was being paired with something like the 86ers.

There's now double the material that there was when that first paperback came out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 October, 2020, 08:37:13 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 20 October, 2020, 12:50:24 AM
So looking at the list of Flesh strips vs the ones collected is there a reason why a fair amount is skipped over in this book? Unless it's just to do with the fact they only want 1 vol of the series/It's easier just to reflect the content of the Dino Files

Yeah, the Flesh collection just doesn't make much sense either way you cut it. There are arguments to be made for not including Shamanna/Chronicide, but why bother with Texas - the start of a whole new cycle of stories - if you aren't going to  include any of the direct follow-up stories?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 20 October, 2020, 09:06:59 AM
There are still 29 volumes we know nothing about, with 203 pages of strip remaining after the first Flesh collection. So, there may be a volume 2 at some point...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 20 October, 2020, 11:30:08 AM
Random thought: I can't really get to grips with Cabalistics, but I do really like Absalom. I don't think I can articulate why, unless it's just that I really like the main character. Also it has a real Rivers of London feel which I like.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 October, 2020, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 20 October, 2020, 09:06:59 AM
There are still 29 volumes we know nothing about, with 203 pages of strip remaining after the first Flesh collection. So, there may be a volume 2 at some point...

Boo Cook's today posted images of the spine extension artwork, and it poses interesting questions regarding the 'extra' 29 books - there's not a single character on the extension artwork that we didn't already know were incoming in issues 80-111...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 October, 2020, 04:58:33 PM
If anyone fancies a look ...

(https://i.imgur.com/hQbNsSS.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 October, 2020, 05:12:36 PM
wait....revere? did we know revere was gonna be in the extension?!?

also looooove that max winwood
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 October, 2020, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 October, 2020, 05:12:36 PM
wait....revere? did we know revere was gonna be in the extension?!?

Actually that's a good point, he's the only character who might hint at a 'new' book - but then again he pops up in Indigo Prime.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 October, 2020, 05:14:43 PM
There are some close ups (including Max Winwood) if you search Boo Cook on Faciebooks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 October, 2020, 05:19:34 PM
shame i do not have a facebook account i could do with boos max as a avatar
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 October, 2020, 05:20:31 PM
Please excuse the crudity of this model
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkyQXcEXgAAmBwd?format=jpg&name=small)

Obv the books are all different sizes but this then shows that this art is just for the next 111.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 October, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
... and in fact tallies with the Facebook post which said that the spine would be intact up to 111, then extend again.

...and poor revere. Sitting on the ground is not good for the art trim!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 October, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 October, 2020, 05:19:34 PM
shame i do not have a facebook account i could do with boos max as a avatar

There you go...

(https://i.imgur.com/pPxFZN3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 October, 2020, 05:34:59 PM
thank you!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 20 October, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
That's some great work there from Mr Cook.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 October, 2020, 07:55:04 PM
I didn't remember Tyranny Rex was in the extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 October, 2020, 08:00:50 PM
Will all of Tyranny Rex fit into one volume. That would make for a very interesting read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 October, 2020, 09:16:51 PM
184 pages of 2000 AD strip. A handful of stuff in yearbooks/specials. Seems almost tailor made for a single volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 20 October, 2020, 11:50:39 PM
Tyranny Rex was mentioned in the list a few pages back.Issue 109.Some nice editions on the way...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 October, 2020, 08:41:43 AM
Yeah, I wasn't doubting it. I'd just forgotten. The extension really is John Smith central (which I'm not complaining about).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 21 October, 2020, 10:08:10 AM
If this block of the extension includes the original Revere I'll be extremely happy.

As for the Tyranny Rex volume (and the Indigo Prime volumes) I'm such a fan that I would dearly love to see the annual and special text stories included too.

I would pre-order in an instant a printed collection of all the text stories from over the years - if they included the original illustrations....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 21 October, 2020, 09:31:34 PM
I'm looking forward to reading some completed volumes of John Smith's work. Hopefully it will actually make sense this way.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 October, 2020, 10:55:03 AM
Gorgeous.

Fingers crossed for Revere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 27 October, 2020, 11:32:14 PM
Do we have any details about the extension past 111?  Apologies if that has already been posted.

I'm guessing Tyranny Rex is another dinosaur related volume, but not connected with Flesh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 October, 2020, 01:23:21 PM
Any subscribers got theirs yet? My account states 81/82 were processed on 16/10 (and that the next dispatch will be 5/11).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 October, 2020, 03:11:57 PM
Nothing here yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 October, 2020, 03:19:48 PM
Nope not yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 October, 2020, 05:21:20 PM
I've got my Flesh from WH Smith's.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 28 October, 2020, 05:23:02 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 28 October, 2020, 05:21:20 PM
I've got my Flesh from WH Smith's.

Ohh, that phrase brings back mammaries.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Greg M. on 28 October, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 27 October, 2020, 11:32:14 PM
I'm guessing Tyranny Rex is another dinosaur related volume, but not connected with Flesh.
Nope - she's a somewhat amoral reptilian lady with a tail, who undertakes increasingly bizarre and disturbing adventures. Until she becomes a nun. And then it really gets good.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 October, 2020, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 28 October, 2020, 05:23:02 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 28 October, 2020, 05:21:20 PM
I've got my Flesh from WH Smith's.

Ohh, that phrase brings back mammaries.

And that's when I shot him M'Lud. :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 29 October, 2020, 03:35:37 AM
I wonder if Mambo will be in the extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 31 October, 2020, 11:39:11 AM
My issues 81 and issue 82 arrived this morning. Sadly no replacement included for the misprint on Savage.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 31 October, 2020, 01:45:55 PM
A few people on Facebook saying the same.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 31 October, 2020, 03:07:10 PM
Left hand/right hand. On the plus side, I look forward to my copies rocking up. (No mail today, alas.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 01 November, 2020, 11:36:49 AM
Yeah - no Savage replacement for me.

I'm going to have to pause my subscription. The economic climate needs me to tighten my belt.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
My copies also arrived today (81/82—no corrected Savage). The Facebook page has ceased marketing and turned the page over "to the fans", which I'm sure will end well. They're still doing customer service via Messenger.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 04 November, 2020, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
My copies also arrived today (81/82—no corrected Savage). The Facebook page has ceased marketing and turned the page over "to the fans", which I'm sure will end well. They're still doing customer service via Messenger.

Yeah they did that with the Transformers collection around the time of that extension (of course that was only for 20 extra issues rather than 60). They still respond to FB messages and community posts however.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Response from customer support re Savage (arriving only ~90 mins after I asked):

QuoteI do apologise about this. This should have been sent with issues 81 - 82 and we are currently in the process of chasing this up for yourself and all customers to get a further update.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 November, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Response from customer support re Savage (arriving only ~90 mins after I asked):

QuoteI do apologise about this. This should have been sent with issues 81 - 82 and we are currently in the process of chasing this up for yourself and all customers to get a further update.

Similar response to me. In the past I remember the Horned God reprint was sent on its own so perhaps its just on its way. What's more worrying is that image on FB of the reprinted edition being itself wrong:
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123347768_10157897730347123_4203284084260934323_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=666b5a&_nc_ohc=GzI_ZPBhcPQAX_fFTND&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=3b3ab1d2d44bd7158802af8ce6eab2d3&oe=5FCA12EC)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Yikes. Yet another good reason why these books should never both with the spine art. Boo's work is great, but the company lacks the quality control to do this properly. They lopped the bottom of the image off and keep messing up. I get they want to keep people buying, so, sure, whack massive numbers on the spines or something. But series names would be better than this mess. (I'm still wondering if there might be a viable way to add custom ones myself beyond sleeves/jackets. Probably not, alas. They'd always look like stickers.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 November, 2020, 02:54:53 PM
My replacement Savage arrived shrink wrapped with Fresh no problems. I sent the surplus one to a friend. Now I've got the Taking Liberties softcover spare as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2020, 04:45:20 PM
Looks like they didn't send it to subscribers. They really know how to take care of people who plonk down money monthly, don't they?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 05 November, 2020, 12:33:00 PM
Following an unexpected delivery yesterday, it seems my prize is going to include the extension as well!

Yaroo!

Right, going to need more shelves, but to do that I'm going to need a bigger house...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2020, 12:35:59 PM
What prize is that? Did you get a free sub?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 05 November, 2020, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2020, 12:35:59 PM
What prize is that? Did you get a free sub?

Yeah, I won a Facebook giveaway thing (I was the first to say 'Borag Thungg!' correctly I think) back when it was announced.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2020, 03:46:23 PM
Blimey. That's quite the prize. £800+ and counting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 07 November, 2020, 09:55:23 AM
Woo - congrats.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 08 November, 2020, 04:31:59 AM
If anyone else was wondering why they couldn't find issue 83 on Forbidden Planet's website you can find it by searching for 20000AD - or go to this link

https://forbiddenplanet.com/314259-20000ad-ultimate-graphic-novel-collection-83-the-red-seas/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JSayonara on 08 November, 2020, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 04 November, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Response from customer support re Savage (arriving only ~90 mins after I asked):

QuoteI do apologise about this. This should have been sent with issues 81 - 82 and we are currently in the process of chasing this up for yourself and all customers to get a further update.

Similar response to me. In the past I remember the Horned God reprint was sent on its own so perhaps its just on its way. What's more worrying is that image on FB of the reprinted edition being itself wrong:
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123347768_10157897730347123_4203284084260934323_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=666b5a&_nc_ohc=GzI_ZPBhcPQAX_fFTND&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=3b3ab1d2d44bd7158802af8ce6eab2d3&oe=5FCA12EC)

That's my photo.
What irritates is it's actually the other issue that's wrong, Savage is fine.
That's a misprint going back ages.

Sick of spine art, I have to buy unseen and my Dredd collection has a very obvious spine misalignment too.

Can't be arsed anymore, £800 for a bookshelf that's noticeably out of whack.
I was forced to buy Flesh for the reprinted Savage (Luckily I found out in advance and cancelled the order for the misprinted original).

Done with the series now, I would have continued the extension but only Fiends and the V.C's really interest me and Dredd should've stayed in the Dredd collection.

Will probably only pick up the Dark Judges volume because the art is so good.

Won't bother with Hatchette again unless they pull something spectacular like a Vertigo collection or something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 09 November, 2020, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2020, 03:46:23 PM
Blimey. That's quite the prize. £800+ and counting.

It included the statues and all the other bits and pieces as well (including stuff that wasn't on the original offer, like the covers collections), so I think the most recent delivery actually pushed it to over a grand!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: TordelBack on 09 November, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: JSayonara on 08 November, 2020, 05:13:53 PM
Can't be arsed anymore, £800 for a bookshelf that's noticeably out of whack.

Not being a serious spineophile anymore I sometimes have a chuckle at the teensy misalignments that energise folk on this thread - but that one is something else entirely.  That'd drive me crazy (-er).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JSayonara on 09 November, 2020, 04:35:09 PM
Yeah, I'm not so unreasonable as to expect a perfect image but stuff like this drives me nuts.
It's so obvious and it keeps happening.
My last volume of Dredd is the same, utterly out of whack and so noticeable.

I wish they'd just give up on the idea if they can't do it properly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 10 November, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
So just checking - I'm not the only sub without the Savage replacement? I might draw my own spine and stick it on
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 November, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
My suspicion is no subscribers got it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 10 November, 2020, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 10 November, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
So just checking - I'm not the only sub without the Savage replacement? I might draw my own spine and stick it on

No, loads of subscribers are missing it, apparently they're now sending them with 73/74 but we shall see!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 11 November, 2020, 02:13:30 PM
Makes me think it is now a marketing ruse
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 November, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
Just standard incompetence, judging by everything else they do.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 November, 2020, 03:00:13 PM
Next two issues:

Savage The Guv'nor, even though the link says Defoe: https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/defoe-volume-two/ (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/defoe-volume-two/)

The Ten-Seconders: https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ten-seconders/ (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ten-seconders/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 15 November, 2020, 03:20:24 PM
Did we know they were selling the spine art?

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/2000-ad-spine-art-poster/

£30

Don't know if this is extended artwork or original
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 16 November, 2020, 01:56:01 PM
Dispatches have been updated on my account, lists "New 75" as part of the delivery so it looks like that's now resolved
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 November, 2020, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 15 November, 2020, 03:00:13 PM
The Ten-Seconders: https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ten-seconders/ (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ten-seconders/)
Never heard of this thrill. I see it's written by Williams with a whole host of creators including the late Edmond Bagwell. Was it rated at the time?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 November, 2020, 02:22:38 PM
It went down quite well, as I recall. It suffers from the mishmash of artists, but reads a whole lot better in one go. I'm perfectly happy to see it in the extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 November, 2020, 03:26:55 PM
Yeah, Ten Seconders is pretty good. I suspect it'll read better under one cover than it ever did in the prog, where there was a five year gap(!) between books II and III, to say nothing of the horrendously unlucky artistic mishmash.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 16 November, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
it def reads much better in one go than it go in pieces
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 November, 2020, 03:44:56 PM
I got around to finally reading the second volume of Caballistics, and to be honest I'm still not sure what to think of it.  The artwork style generally didn't appeal to me in places, and I felt that while the second book was better than the first it suffered from pacing issues in places.  The ending sections seemed rather rushed and I did read the part where it said that Rennie had tired of the strip especially after the two novels.

Maybe one to read again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 20 November, 2020, 12:21:58 PM
The FB page has now officially confirmed the collections been extended to 140, will include Finn, Sinister Dexter, Strontium Dogs, ABC Warriors, Brass Sun, Black Hawk, The Mean Arena, and Revere.

Looking forward to finally reading Finn, Brass Sun and more SinDex but Strontium Dogs? From what I understand that's one of the more reviled series they've put out. Still holding out hope for a couple of Starlord vols just to round out SD and Ro-Busters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 20 November, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 18 November, 2020, 03:44:56 PM
I got around to finally reading the second volume of Caballistics, and to be honest I'm still not sure what to think of it.  The artwork style generally didn't appeal to me in places, and I felt that while the second book was better than the first it suffered from pacing issues in places.  The ending sections seemed rather rushed and I did read the part where it said that Rennie had tired of the strip especially after the two novels.

Maybe one to read again.

Was this paired with the first Absalom series? Didn't think the page count was long enough on its own.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 20 November, 2020, 12:50:31 PM
Strontium dogs! Get in!

Hardback Nigel Dobbyn! Yes please. During the darkest days of the prog - it was this series that kept me onboard.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2020, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 20 November, 2020, 12:21:58 PM
Still holding out hope for a couple of Starlord vols just to round out SD and Ro-Busters.

Funny you should say that - the spine artwork includes Howard Quartz, Charlie (from Northpool) and the Preying Mantis, so I think a Ro-Busters book seems a safe bet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 20 November, 2020, 01:59:30 PM
War Machine, Leviathan, Brass Sun, and Revere - nice. And is that a bit of Devlin Waugh in the spine preview? Lovely. But Finn? Mean Arena? Strontium Dogs? Tastes like barrel scrapings to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 November, 2020, 02:05:35 PM
Looks like Leviathan is another definite for the final run from the art posted to FB. I've heard a lot about that on here so looking forward to finally reading it.

That looks a lot like Blunt in there too so I guess we'll be getting a book with the three series of that. I missed the first one and never quite got hooked in by the second two series in the Meg. Hopefully it'll read better collected.

Quote from: levers on 20 November, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
Was this paired with the first Absalom series? Didn't think the page count was long enough on its own.

First two series, Noblesse Obligie and Ghosts of London.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 November, 2020, 02:10:28 PM
QuoteFinn, Sinister Dexter, Strontium Dogs, ABC Warriors, Brass Sun, Black Hawk, The Mean Arena, and Revere.
I'll be honest and say that doesn't exactly thrill me in the same way as 81–111, and so I'll await a full listing, I think. Brass Sun is the best of them, but incomplete and I already have the Rebellion HC. I can take or leave the rest of it, bar, possibly, Revere.

Looking at the art Boo's doing, War Machine is a good bet (even if it'll presumably have to be padded out with shit), Leviathan is amazing but will need something else to go with it, and Ro-Busters will presumably omit the Starboard stuff, which would be a pity. Blunt's in there, although I didn't really enjoy the series. I'm assuming that's Devlin Waugh's arm on the right.

Who's the woman in the cap? I'm guessing Samantha Slade, in which case we really are heading into barrel-scrapping territory in at least a few cases. (Also: if we get to 140 and there's no Armoured Gideon, but there is Samantha Slade, then I don't even.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 20 November, 2020, 02:51:32 PM
I'm gonna share the pic here so I don't have to keep looking back to FB for it!
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/126232490_2778159709179010_3776502745343156877_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=98_cF1Ya8NkAX8vJygs&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=9a9ee6ae79fe3682e712a063d96d9f8e&oe=5FDEE5F1)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2020, 05:03:52 PM
Amazing to have this confirmed, but this is definitely going to be the last extension, isn't it? Mean Team? Samantha Slade? Strontium Dogs? Definite barrel-scraping happening now.

I really hope Kingdom gets a final volume, as well as Stickleback, now that the cliffhanger's finally been resolved. I would also love love love an Atavar volume - prime Abnett/Elson goodness with a beginning, middle and end, perfect for a collection and far more deserving of a hardback than bloody Mean Team.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 21 November, 2020, 01:23:00 AM
Hmmm

It's a bit disappointing to see most of my long shot wishes excluded, but it's possible we'll see:
Friday paired with some of the non Michael Fleisher strips, and maybe the dredd crossover
Strontium dogs paired with the missing Durham Red (could be over two volumes)
Revere paired with Slaughterbowl
Samantha Slade paired with the Hogan / Hughes Robo Hunter stories



Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 November, 2020, 09:12:07 AM
hmm if blunts there and that IS devlin could we get more lawless?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 21 November, 2020, 09:55:01 AM
I'm wondering whether extending the series to 140 issues has now become quantity exceeding quality. To take what's been said and what can be interpreted from the image - which seems to be only part of it, as we've only got a bit of Devlin:

Finn - I didn't enjoy this in the prog so meh for me.
Sinister Dexter - very welcome.
Strontium Dogs - don't remember much about this, but checking on Barney there's enough for at least 1 volume, maybe doubling up with Durham Red as has been suggested.
ABC Warriors - good to complete the run. So possible complete runs also for Kingdom and Stickleback?
Brass Sun - a modern classic.
Black Hawk - didn't this start in Tornado? In which case a chance for Starlord stories being included?
The Mean Arena - another meh.
Revere - brilliant.
Leviathan - haven't read before but I like all of Ian Edginton's work that I have so looking forward.
Samantha Slade - again haven't read but the consensus seems to be not good.
Fr1day - War Machine is good, I haven't read any of the Steve White stuff - any good?
Devlin Waugh - all the John Smith stories were in the Dredd collection, and at present the more recent stories aren't enough to fill a volume - paired with something else?

Some more Dredd/Deadworld stuff also?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 21 November, 2020, 11:26:35 AM
I used to love Finn back in the day.Strontium Dogs was enjoyable too.Id buy Samantha Slade too which is saying something has i dont buy them all.Welcome the extention.Hope it continues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 21 November, 2020, 09:55:01 AMStrontium Dogs - don't remember much about this, but checking on Barney there's enough for at least 1 volume, maybe doubling up with Durham Red as has been suggested.
There's a lot of Strontium Dogs, but it doesn't really go anywhere. Some of the individual bits are good, and Hogan was playing the long game, but the Tharg of the day guillotined the story.

QuoteABC Warriors - good to complete the run. So possible complete runs also for Kingdom and Stickleback?
You'd hope so. If not, that's not good.

QuoteBlack Hawk - didn't this start in Tornado? In which case a chance for Starlord stories being included?
At this point, the logic of avoiding Starlord is odd. But it wouldn't surprise me if this is all going to be 2000 AD-only. (That said, Rebellion already has the repro, so...)

QuoteLeviathan - haven't read before but I like all of Ian Edginton's work that I have so looking forward.
It's superb. Short, but superb.

QuoteSamantha Slade - again haven't read but the consensus seems to be not good.
It's fairly awful. Early on, various questions were asked that I don't recall ever satisfactorily being answered (like why Sam's head is in a jar). The entire thing seemed to be a vehicle because Gibson wanted to draw one of his sexy cartoon women—and then he got visibly bored with the strip (Backgrounds? We don't need backgrounds!), complained about Grant's scripts and then declined to complete the run. Anthony Williams took over and the series just... ended.

If paired with Hogan/Hughes Robo-Hunter, that might lift the volume a bit—and that would bring the book to about 200 pages of strip. So that wouldn't surprise me.

QuoteFr1day - War Machine is good, I haven't read any of the Steve White stuff - any good?
Not really, to my mind. It was certainly OK, and some of the art was nice. But it was packed full of pseudo-military guff and, again, didn't really go anywhere. Then the series ended up tying itself in continuity knots for no good reason. The whole thing was a mess. I'd sooner see War Machine paired with Tor Cyan, because the latter at least had lovely art and a coherent storyline.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2020, 01:16:04 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 21 November, 2020, 09:55:01 AM
Black Hawk - didn't this start in Tornado? In which case a chance for Starlord stories being included?
At this point, the logic of avoiding Starlord is odd. But it wouldn't surprise me if this is all going to be 2000 AD-only. (That said, Rebellion already has the repro, so...)

Quite a few Ro-Busters stories were reprinted in one of the ABC Warriors books, leaving very little 2000AD material over for a Ro-Busters book (which, judging by that spine art, we're almost certainly going to get). So surely this means we can expect the Starlord material...?

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 21 November, 2020, 09:55:01 AMSamantha Slade - again haven't read but the consensus seems to be not good.
It's fairly awful. Early on, various questions were asked that I don't recall ever satisfactorily being answered (like why Sam's head is in a jar).

There was a whole story about that - a mad celebrity collector had done it to him, and the gang boarded his yacht to try and get his body back, which I think then got accidentaly destroyed.

There's an eight-part story - Stim! - which is excellent. Easily the calibre of the classic Wagner/Grant stuff, and Gibson's art for it is utterly sublime. The six-part Casino Royale which follows it is really not too bad, either. Generally speaking though, none of the other stories are worth your time. Grant's scripts are generally just going through the motions - it's not inspired stuff - and gradually you can see Gibson's enthusiasm wane, too. The final story is just a bloody insult to the readers, frankly, at which point Tharg pulls the plug, so there's no proper ending to speak of.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
I'd sooner see War Machine paired with Tor Cyan, because the latter at least had lovely art and a coherent storyline.

Tor Cyan's run is already due in the Mercy Heights book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 November, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2020, 01:16:04 PM
Quite a few Ro-Busters stories were reprinted in one of the ABC Warriors books, leaving very little 2000AD material over for a Ro-Busters book (which, judging by that spine art, we're almost certainly going to get). So surely this means we can expect the Starlord material...?

I'm wondering if what we're going to get is two more volumes collecting the rest of ABC Warriors and the rest of the Ro-Busters strips from the prog split between them. Just playing with some spreadsheets to see how the page counts look. Doesn't look like there's enough prog era Ro-Busters left for a standalone book though, although I guess they could pad it out with Ro-Jaws Tales or something maybe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2020, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2020, 01:16:04 PMThere was a whole story about that - a mad celebrity collector had done it to him, and the gang boarded his yacht to try and get his body back, which I think then got accidentaly destroyed.
I'd forgotten all of that. But doesn't he just more or less disappear after that point? It's been a while since I read that strip, admittedly, and I don't feel terribly compelled to go back.

QuoteTor Cyan's run is already due in the Mercy Heights book.
Has that been confirmed anywhere? Mercy Heights alone has 192 pages of strip, according to Barney, which is already around the average for these books. I make Tor Cyan's solo stuff ~116. That's way too much for one book. (War Machine is 70-odd pages.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 November, 2020, 05:37:40 PM
Gathered the data on the strips that might make this 2nd extension from Barney and added it to my spreadsheets. I've assumed complete runs of material and split them into roughly book sized chunks.  For comparison the initial 80 books in the collection range from 107-252 pages of strip. There are only 2 under 150 though (both Slaine), most of the books are 160+.

Series either named or visible in the art:




















BookStrip Page Count     Notes
Finn Volume 1147
Finn Volume 2174
Revere109Will need padding out
Brass Sun: Volume 1195
Brass Sun: Volume 2120Could fit a short one off in here
The Mean Arena: Volume 1168
The Mean Arena: Volume 2180
ABC Warriors: Volume 7153Return Mars & Earth
ABC Warriors: Volume 8169Return Ro-busters & Fallout
Strontium Dogs 1132
Strontium Dogs 2194
Blackhawk152Just the prog run
Blunt195
Rogue Trooper - War Machine74Will need padding out
Samantha Slade145
Ro-Busters117
Devlin Waugh149All the non-John Smith stuff
Leviathan65Will need padding out
I suspect there wll only be 1 book of cherry-picked Strontium Dogs stuff. Maybe just the Nigel Dobbyn stuff that's ~200 pages which would be perfect. I'm also wondering if they'll omit Fallout and put the Ro-busters stuff in the 2nd ABCs book alongside Return To Ro-busters. That'd also end up being about 200 pages.

Continuations of existing runs, I have no evidence any of these will actually be included but thought it was worth speculating on.








BookStrip Page Count
Defoe: Volume 3156
The Fall Of Deadworld 2156
Stickleback: Volume 2210
Kingdom: Volume 3126
Flesh: Volume 2203
Savage: Volume Four138

If we get all of that lot then that would be 24 books which would leave space for another 5. We know some of those will be Sinister Dexter, 2-3 I'm guessing. I'm still hoping we might get a Wagner Dredd I'd love to have Machine Law and Guatemala in hardback. Similarly a book of Niemand Dredds would be an excellent addition.

Any thoughts on what they'll pad out Revere and Leviathan?
Cradlegrave would be a great fit for the former.  Helium and maybe another one and done for Leviathan?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 November, 2020, 09:30:05 PM
Isn't revere already confirmed for the first time extension? He's on the spine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 November, 2020, 10:09:55 PM
I thought we were more or less finished with Sinister Dexter and to be honest I must be the only one who wasn't thrilled with Devlin Waugh.

It seems as if the extension is going to be a bit of a mixed bag further on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 November, 2020, 01:14:26 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 21 November, 2020, 09:30:05 PM
Isn't revere already confirmed for the first time extension? He's on the spine.

I assumed that too then i was reminded that revere actually showed up in indigo prime so thats likely why hes on the spine
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 22 November, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 22 November, 2020, 01:14:26 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 21 November, 2020, 09:30:05 PM
Isn't revere already confirmed for the first time extension? He's on the spine.

I assumed that too then i was reminded that revere actually showed up in indigo prime so thats likely why hes on the spine
Gosh darnit you're right. Somehow I thought it was on that other list (it isn't).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 November, 2020, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 21 November, 2020, 10:09:55 PM
I thought we were more or less finished with Sinister Dexter and to be honest I must be the only one who wasn't thrilled with Devlin Waugh.

It seems as if the extension is going to be a bit of a mixed bag further on.

Yeah what they've announced so far doesn't look as exciting as the 1st extension. Leviathan, Revere and Brass Sun seem like the pick of the lot. That said we only really know about 50% of the contents. We don't know if we're getting 1 or 2 volumes of things like Finn and Strontium Dogs or how many more volumes of Sin Dex will be included. The 6 continuation volumes I listed are also pure speculation, although I really hope those do get included. There could still be some exciting surprises to be announced.

The tricky bit for me at the moment is trying to decide whether or not to take advantage of Rebellion's sales. I've picked up Cradlegrave, the Return to ABCs volumes and the 2 Ro-busters books over recent months as it didn't look like we were getting them. Now it seems like those could all end up as duplicates. I've been contemplating a couple of titles in the current sale (Fall Of Deadworld 2, Kingmaker, Machine Law, Kingdom) but I don't want to end up with even more doubles. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 November, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: sintec on 21 November, 2020, 05:37:40 PM
I suspect there wll only be 1 book of cherry-picked Strontium Dogs stuff. Maybe just the Nigel Dobbyn stuff that's ~200 pages which would be perfect.

I wonder - as I think a lot of us are - if they might stick the extant Durham Red material in there, too. Island of the Damned is 62 pages; Scarlet Apocrypha 46. Add that to the Strontium Dogs' stuff and you've got an average of two 217-page books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 November, 2020, 11:13:12 AM
Got my subs books today, including the reprint of spine 63.

Lobster Random seems a little strange, like the cover isn't big enough for the contents. It reprints all 240 pages (total according to barney).

Red Seas 1 covers Under the Banner of King, Twilight of the Idols, Meanwhile... & Underworld for a total of 200 pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 November, 2020, 11:40:56 AM
Surprisingly early. A nice set of books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 27 November, 2020, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 23 November, 2020, 11:13:12 AM
Lobster Random seems a little strange, like the cover isn't big enough for the contents. It reprints all 240 pages (total according to barney).

I see what you mean. The spine isn't quite wide enough for the contents. Nice to have a book that feels like it's bursting at the seams!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 November, 2020, 06:08:41 PM
Yeah it feels like the assigned a strip from the spine image that was too thin for the page count. Hopefully the binding will hold - seems to be ok. First Robo-hunter volume had roughly the same page count but doesn't suffer from the bulging issue.

Loving The Red Seas so far. Gorgeous art and a great swashbuckling yarn.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 November, 2020, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: sintec on 27 November, 2020, 06:08:41 PM
Yeah it feels like the assigned a strip from the spine image that was too thin for the page count. Hopefully the binding will hold - seems to be ok.

Don't have Lobster Random yet, but my copy of Firekind seems to have the opposite issue - a needlessly wide spine for the size of book...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 30 November, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
Is there a list of the extended extension that's not on Facebook?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 November, 2020, 11:57:40 AM
Quote from: credo on 30 November, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
Is there a list of the extended extension that's not on Facebook?

There isn't a list for the (extended) extension at all yet, just a few books that have so far been mentioned.*

*Finn, Sinister Dexter, Strontium Dogs, ABC Warriors, Brass Sun, Black Hawk, The Mean Arena, and Revere
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 November, 2020, 12:00:09 PM
There's also a lot of clues as to what will be included in the artwork for the extension extension which can be found a little further down the thread.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 November, 2020, 12:02:00 PM
Back on page 305 I put together a speculative list based on what we can see in the previewed spine art and things that have been name dropped. It's in no way definitive though - just guesswork.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 November, 2020, 12:47:14 PM
Looking at your speculations again: Maybe Leviathan could top up Brass Sun vol 2 with the writer connection, and similarly the third Kingdom volume could be filled with Feral & Foe. It's all so far away though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 30 November, 2020, 01:32:41 PM
Are Hachette looking to reprint the entirety of Red Seas do we know? 99% of it ran in my prog wilderness years and I've got two collected editions of the start of the series and thats it. I'm tempted to pick up this volume, but don't want to end up with another copy of what is mostly the same material.

I was thinking initially I'd wait, but I missed a couple of Dante books in my attempt to upgrade the collection to HC and they've never come back into print, so it feels like a 'get now or miss out' scenario.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 November, 2020, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 30 November, 2020, 12:47:14 PM
Looking at your speculations again: Maybe Leviathan could top up Brass Sun vol 2 with the writer connection, and similarly the third Kingdom volume could be filled with Feral & Foe.

I'd rather have Leviathan packaged with another horrot tale or two: Necronauts, Cradlegrave, A Love Liked Blood, etc...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 30 November, 2020, 01:32:41 PMAre Hachette looking to reprint the entirety of Red Seas do we know?
The lists that have been knocking around for a while state four volumes. That's more than enough to include every strip page.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 November, 2020, 02:12:02 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 30 November, 2020, 01:39:58 PM
I'd rather have Leviathan packaged with another horrot tale or two: Necronauts, Cradlegrave, A Love Liked Blood, etc...
You're prob right - match better on theme than creators.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BPP on 30 November, 2020, 03:38:33 PM
Wouldn't it be with Xtinct?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 01 December, 2020, 11:07:29 AM
Thanks guys re. Read Seas, I've picked it up. It doesn't seem likely to be collected in it's entirety elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 December, 2020, 11:18:46 AM
There were two aborted attempts to get this going, one as Rebellion's original skinny HC volumes (back in the day when the DC paperbacks were happening) and one as a standard but quite chunky paperback. Neither run got beyond one book. The series was since collected digitally in its entirety, but I can't see it getting a print collection any time soon elsewhere—and certainly not in HC for 40 quid.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 01 December, 2020, 11:25:51 AM
Yep, I have both of those..  I should pass one of them on really. A HC collection will be much nicer anyway.
And no digital for me, all print or go home!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 02 December, 2020, 11:40:17 PM
hi guys,
I've been catching up on backlog of this series. Sorry if this sounds daft question but i received reprint of Savage: Taking Liberties volume volume 63. Was this a replacement for another misprint of spine artwork reor volume number mistake (ie. volume 79)? Im a bit confused.
Hope this makes sense
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 December, 2020, 06:15:32 AM
I only cherry pick, ordering through my comic shop so yesterday when I popped in to get my post lockdown comics there were two waiting for me (Flesh and Firekind) and one was shrinkwrapped with the reprint of 'Taking Liberites' both me and the shop owner were a bit confused but shrugged as there was on extra cost. Getting home I openned it and a note feel out explaining that a fre replacement was being given to folks in volume 81 to replace a spine error.

Bit cheeky of me to get one given I never got the erroneous one!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 December, 2020, 10:12:00 AM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 02 December, 2020, 11:40:17 PMI've been catching up on backlog of this series. Sorry if this sounds daft question but i received reprint of Savage: Taking Liberties volume volume 63. Was this a replacement for another misprint of spine artwork reor volume number mistake (ie. volume 79)? Im a bit confused.
They messed up the spine. The reprint fixes it, so the book sits in its correct place.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 03 December, 2020, 10:25:02 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 03 December, 2020, 06:15:32 AM
I only cherry pick, ordering through my comic shop so yesterday when I popped in to get my post lockdown comics there were two waiting for me (Flesh and Firekind) and one was shrinkwrapped with the reprint of 'Taking Liberites' both me and the shop owner were a bit confused but shrugged as there was on extra cost. Getting home I openned it and a note feel out explaining that a fre replacement was being given to folks in volume 81 to replace a spine error.

Bit cheeky of me to get one given I never got the erroneous one!

Haha - lucky you, to get a free book! Savage is a good one, too. Hachette's margins on these books must be enormous if they can keep replacing them like this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 04 December, 2020, 03:34:46 PM
The extension, and move into more stuff that rebellion hadn't previously collected has finally made me start buying these, with Firekind being my first (planning on picking up the other upcoming John Smith volumes, as well as any later volumes of Savage). For those ordering from Hachette, do the books normally arrive on time?

Really looking forward to finally getting collections of Revere and Tyranny Rex. Hoping that the Indigo Prime collections will include the Fervent and Lobe stuff too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 December, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: credo on 04 December, 2020, 03:34:46 PMFor those ordering from Hachette, do the books normally arrive on time?
Honestly, my experience buying direct from Hachette hasn't been stellar. Books can take some time to arrive. Forbidden Planet or an LCS has typically been a superior option.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 05 December, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
I'm in for all the John Smith stuff too. Also after people talking it up on here (Colin I'm looking at you!) I've ended up buying Red Seas 1 so I'm in for all four volumes. It wasn't a thrill I loved at the time and I seem to remember finding Jack Dancer quite annoying but I fancy trying it one big read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 07 December, 2020, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 December, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: credo on 04 December, 2020, 03:34:46 PMFor those ordering from Hachette, do the books normally arrive on time?
Honestly, my experience buying direct from Hachette hasn't been stellar. Books can take some time to arrive. Forbidden Planet or an LCS has typically been a superior option.

I had a feeling that was the case. Oh well, on to the joys of sending emails to chase up late deliveries then!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 07 December, 2020, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 December, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: credo on 04 December, 2020, 03:34:46 PMFor those ordering from Hachette, do the books normally arrive on time?
Honestly, my experience buying direct from Hachette hasn't been stellar. Books can take some time to arrive. Forbidden Planet or an LCS has typically been a superior option.

It's almost worth waiting for the books you want to pick up appearing on eBay 😳
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 December, 2020, 11:38:49 AM
I would avoid eBay. Mark-up is monstrous.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 07 December, 2020, 11:54:28 AM
It does seem now that two types 'inhabit' ebay ...

- people running a business that find the cost of eBay is lower than alternatives;
- people looking to gouge by charging as much as they possibly can.

As an option for the average person looking to get a decent price for their old tat there is not much option out there (Gumtree is owned by eBay).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 07 December, 2020, 12:16:12 PM
Quote from: credo on 07 December, 2020, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 December, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: credo on 04 December, 2020, 03:34:46 PMFor those ordering from Hachette, do the books normally arrive on time?
Honestly, my experience buying direct from Hachette hasn't been stellar. Books can take some time to arrive. Forbidden Planet or an LCS has typically been a superior option.

I had a feeling that was the case. Oh well, on to the joys of sending emails to chase up late deliveries then!

Well there you go, arrived today without any issue. I had forgotten just how gorgeous the art is on Firekind. Can't wait for those other John Smith classics. I do hope he's back in the prog one day.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 December, 2020, 10:13:41 AM
Just got through Lobster Random last night. Gosh, I'm sorry but I really had a hard time reading that. The art is amazing but I just could not get on with it. Think I'm gonna read Savage next.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 December, 2020, 10:26:56 AM
I always found Spurrier's writing a bit on the nose, and I really couldn't get on with Jack Point at all; but Lob was always a strip I found interesting and fun, and the art was superb throughout.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Nellgrove on 10 December, 2020, 02:10:54 PM
Which issue did the spine extension art version of volume 80 come with? (Assuming there are two version like with dredd)

The 75 reprint seems a bit random as to who got it when.

I ordered 81-84 from Hachette directly and didn't get either, not sure if I'm missing out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 December, 2020, 02:37:20 PM
There's only 1 version of volume 80 - I think they designed the spine art with the extension in mind this time around unlike with the Dredd one.

I got my reprint of Savage with the most recent order so 83-84. It does seem to be a bit random as to which order it ended up in though as I think some people got it with 81-82.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Nellgrove on 10 December, 2020, 05:15:12 PM
Quote from: sintec on 10 December, 2020, 02:37:20 PM
There's only 1 version of volume 80 - I think they designed the spine art with the extension in mind this time around unlike with the Dredd one.

Thanks for confirming, seems like i only need to chase on the reprint then.
I am impressed that they managed to get the 4 books to me in 3 days and with no damage.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 11 December, 2020, 04:17:34 PM
Covers for The Red Seas 2, Brink 1 and Fiends of the Eastern Front up on the Hachette website.

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/red-seas-volume-one/

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/red-seas-volume-two/

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/red-seas-volume-three/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 14 December, 2020, 04:28:43 PM
Oh dear, those links are a mess. I think they've mixed up volume and issue numbers. So Brink is Issue 88, but Read Seas II will be Volume 88 on the shelf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 14 December, 2020, 07:02:46 PM
Yeah I noticed they were a mess when I posted them. There also a mess because just looking at the links it looks like I posted links to Red Seas Volumes One to Three, which really wasn't the case.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 December, 2020, 02:13:51 AM
I've tried reading Lobster Random, maybe its my present mood, maybe not, but despite Critchlow's art I'm finding it a bit of a slog.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 24 December, 2020, 03:47:00 PM
Does anyone know if book 90, 'Greysuit', will feature the complete story? According to Barney this would be 252 pages in total. Is this too much for an Ultimate Collection book? It would seem self-defeating to include only some of the story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 December, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
That much strip would put it at the upper end of these books, but it's feasible if the strip construction doesn't create too many blank pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 December, 2020, 05:22:27 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 24 December, 2020, 03:47:00 PM
Does anyone know if book 90, 'Greysuit', will feature the complete story? According to Barney this would be 252 pages in total. Is this too much for an Ultimate Collection book? It would seem self-defeating to include only some of the story.

As Indigo said we've had others around that size. Lobster Random was 240 pages of strip so it's only ~12 more than that book had. I'd be surprised if it's not the complete run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 24 December, 2020, 10:52:48 PM
Were there really 252 pages of Greysuit? Oh Christ.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 25 December, 2020, 03:19:04 AM
I'm guessing that's a bad thing?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 December, 2020, 01:55:29 PM
Depends how much you like modern Mills. For me, it was one of his weaker strips, delving too deep into conspiracy theory and lacking the depth, weirdness and interest evident in the likes of Defoe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 26 December, 2020, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 November, 2020, 03:26:55 PM
Yeah, Ten Seconders is pretty good. I suspect it'll read better under one cover than it ever did in the prog, where there was a five year gap(!) between books II and III, to say nothing of the horrendously unlucky artistic mishmash.

It does, as I first remember reading it when it was on Book 3 in the progs and didn't have a clue what was going on. It reads really well in one volume, and the end piece comments on the changes in artists. A worthy addition to the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 26 December, 2020, 11:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 25 December, 2020, 03:19:04 AM
I'm guessing that's a bad thing?

I didn't enjoy it. There was just nothing subtle about the point Pat was making. I don't know Pat Mills but from the little i have read about him we clearly have similar opinions on many topics  but reading Greysuit just felt like i was being smashed in the face repeatedly. 'Yes, Western Imperialism is horrible and needs to be exposed but please stop. I agree with you. "
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 28 December, 2020, 01:21:21 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere which volume is going to be Red Seas 2? I usually preorder from Forbidden Planet but they don't have specifics yet, just the volume number without contents.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 December, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 28 December, 2020, 01:21:21 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere which volume is going to be Red Seas 2? I usually preorder from Forbidden Planet but they don't have specifics yet, just the volume number without contents.

The issue number is 87, which is due out next week. The Hachette site doesn't show volume numbers but I suspect it will be volume 88 as the first book was volume 87.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 December, 2020, 06:00:52 PM
Any subscribers got 85/86 yet?

EDIT: Mine arrived this morning (29 Dec)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 29 December, 2020, 10:42:53 AM
just got 85 & 86 today
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 December, 2020, 11:15:08 AM
Mine was in the reduced packaging (square box with no crush protection—fortunately not a reversion to 'bin bags'). I bunged Hachette a message on Facebook. (Fortunately, these two books arrived in perfect nick, but it's a lottery with this box type.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 30 December, 2020, 07:40:20 PM
Same packaging here. Not what I would call mint books but can't be bothered to chase.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 January, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
Savage is absolutely cracking stuff. The writing is really strong, well paced and avoids getting lost in endless soapboxing. I think this is my favourite Mill's of the Rebellion era (although I guess we've still got Defoe and Greysuit to come which might compete for that title). Great characters, an action packed plot, a smattering of politics, some good one liners; it's top draw stuff. Goddard does a great job picking up the art duties too - he really gets the grim gritty atmosphere just right. Looking forward to this continuing in volume 3.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 05 January, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: sintec on 02 January, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
Savage is absolutely cracking stuff. The writing is really strong, well paced and avoids getting lost in endless soapboxing. I think this is my favourite Mill's of the Rebellion era (although I guess we've still got Defoe and Greysuit to come which might compete for that title). Great characters, an action packed plot, a smattering of politics, some good one liners; it's top draw stuff. Goddard does a great job picking up the art duties too - he really gets the grim gritty atmosphere just right. Looking forward to this continuing in volume 3.

Does Savage cover the same stuff that was in volume 2 of the Rebellion trade? Just working out if I need to get this or can wait for volume 3.

Anyone have any information on anything post issue 89?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 05 January, 2021, 09:42:13 AM
90-111 as confirmed on FB some time ago (and posted upthread)

90      01/27/2021      Greysuit
91      02/10/2021      VCs
92      02/24/2021      Indigo Prime
93      03/10/2021      The Red Seas Vol 3
94      03/24/2021      Dominion
95      04/07/2021      Savage: Rise Like Lions
96      04/21/2021      Jaegir
97      05/05/2021      Grey Area
98      05/19/2021      Defoe
99      06/02/2021      Inigo Prime Vol 2
100      06/16/2021      VC's Vol 2
101      06/30/2021      The Red Seas Vol 4
102      07/14/2021      Mercy Heights
103      07/28/2021      Absalom
104      08/11/2021      Brink Vol 2
105      08/25/2021      The Order
106      09/08/2021      Grey Area Vol 2
107      09/22/2021      Defoe Vol 2
108      10/06/2021      Tales of Telguuth
109      10/20/2021      Tyranny Rex
110      11/03/2021      Judge Dredd: the Small House
111      11/17/2021      Strontium Dog: Repo Men
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 January, 2021, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: credo on 05 January, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
Does Savage cover the same stuff that was in volume 2 of the Rebellion trade? Just working out if I need to get this or can wait for volume 3.

Yep identical content to the 2nd Rebellion trade (also called The Guv'nor)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 January, 2021, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: credo on 05 January, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
Does Savage cover the same stuff that was in volume 2 of the Rebellion trade? Just working out if I need to get this or can wait for volume 3.

Why would you not want all 3 volumes in matching hardcover?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 January, 2021, 11:44:07 AM
TBF, not everyone's obsessed with matching volumes. :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 09 January, 2021, 05:00:49 PM
I've picked up Ten Seconders that I'm eager to read. A good book I can finish in one sitting but I've been having sleep issues due to cold, grief and deep depression. It took me a while to finish one of Stuart McBrides thinner books.

I also don't like to start a new book till I've finished the last and here's the problem, I just can't seem to take to Lobster Random, it seems like trying to read a load of gibberish to be honest. Art is nice enough by Critchlow. That begs a question, is there a collection of Critchlows They'd books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 January, 2021, 05:57:18 PM
I have this one (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrud-Barbarian-Carl-Critchlow/dp/1782760024). Not sure how much if the strip it collects, mind.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51AwQfTUFSL._SX319_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 January, 2021, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 09 January, 2021, 05:00:49 PM
I also don't like to start a new book till I've finished the last and here's the problem, I just can't seem to take to Lobster Random, it seems like trying to read a load of gibberish to be honest.

Yeah... I was really exicted to finally have a complete Lob volume, and have my first chance to read it all again since my first, fondly-remembered progs. But I do have to admit that when read together it is all a bit... much. Spurrier's plots are very wordy, and arguably a bit over-written, often threatening to collapse under the weight of plan-and-counter plan. One to portion out a bit, maybe?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 January, 2021, 11:33:53 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 09 January, 2021, 05:57:18 PM
I have this one (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrud-Barbarian-Carl-Critchlow/dp/1782760024). Not sure how much if the strip it collects, mind.

I also have that one - it's a great book (and it was dirt cheap from Forbidden Planet too which was a bonus). Think it covers all the post White Dwarf comics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrud_the_Barbarian#Full-length_comic My copies in storage at the moment though (waiting to move to a bigger house with more bookcases) so I can't check.

Quote from: Jade Falcon on 09 January, 2021, 05:00:49 PM
I also don't like to start a new book till I've finished the last and here's the problem, I just can't seem to take to Lobster Random, it seems like trying to read a load of gibberish to be honest.

Lobster Random did feel a bit of a slog at times. Not sure why - maybe as Jimbo says it'd benefit from being spread out a bit. Maybe take a break at the end of the current story and dive into Ten Seconders. I recently started that and it's a cracking read so far (just finished the first story). Arts a little dark in places but that might just be the crappy lighting in my bedroom (can't wait to move and sort that out).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 11 January, 2021, 04:02:45 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 09 January, 2021, 05:00:49 PM
That begs a question, is there a collection of Critchlows They'd books?

I have this one knocking around somewhere:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HrzGW8DYYas/hqdefault.jpg)

Far from a complete collection but afaik this is the only collected volume for the old WD stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 11 January, 2021, 06:23:23 PM
Have I missed any conversation about how Brexit might affect this? Will I have to pay a customs charge now for this? I see they've added more issues to this now - I hope this doesn't end up being a nightmare to manage.

By the way can anyone tell me what number Kingdom Vol. 1 is?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 January, 2021, 07:13:30 PM
Where do you live?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 11 January, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
I'm in Ireland, I hadn't even thought about this until today.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 January, 2021, 07:46:59 PM
Assuming books are zero-rated in Ireland (which appears to be the case), it shouldn't make any odds. (Same also for Brits importing. There should be no charge for printed matter, so long as the package doesn't contain anything else.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 11 January, 2021, 10:09:47 PM
I don't have either of the Thrud books, the old White Dwarf stuff was funny as well.

Nearly finished Lobster Random, only a short bit to go and I can't say I was thrilled at all by this story, it just didn't get me.  Maybe it's just not my taste.  I prefer stuff like Savage, Rogue Trooper, Dredd/Anderson, Johnny Alpha, Nikolai Dante etc.

Lobster Random was just too strange for me, though the Critchlow art was nice.  I can't see me rereading it, but never say never, maybe my mood just isn't right for it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 12 January, 2021, 05:49:59 AM
Well that's a relief - thank you!

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 January, 2021, 07:46:59 PM
Assuming books are zero-rated in Ireland (which appears to be the case), it shouldn't make any odds. (Same also for Brits importing. There should be no charge for printed matter, so long as the package doesn't contain anything else.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 17 January, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
Hopefully armoured gideon will be included in the extended extension now it's be realesed online
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 23 January, 2021, 09:35:29 PM
Okay, I read Ten Seconders, not quite as good as I had hoped, but solid enough but I got the impression the story seemed a bit to use a technical term 'jumpy abouty'. :)

I probably will enjoy this again on a reread, I have not been feeling mentally too good for a while and my concentration hasn't been the best.  It took me an age to finish a relatively short Stuart McBride crime book, not because I didn't enjoy it, but I just can't seem to focus.

Red Seas volume 2.  The main story again seemed to jump a bit, I may have been better rereading book 1 to catch up a bit.  I love the two headed dog character (Erebus?).  The spin off stories with Isaac Newton and the Blitz were good.  Professor Toten honestly seemed like something from one of the newer Wolfenstein games (those who've played Old Blood, New Order or New Colossus will know what I mean).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 24 January, 2021, 08:36:35 AM
Can anyone tell me what issue Kingdom 2 is? I don't appear to have received it and thought it would be out by now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 January, 2021, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 24 January, 2021, 08:36:35 AM
Can anyone tell me what issue Kingdom 2 is? I don't appear to have received it and thought it would be out by now.

2nd book of Kingdom was issue 31 (volume 61).

Quote from: Jade Falcon on 23 January, 2021, 09:35:29 PM
Okay, I read Ten Seconders, not quite as good as I had hoped, but solid enough but I got the impression the story seemed a bit to use a technical term 'jumpy abouty'. :)

I found the 2nd book the worst for that, it seemed quite hard to follow at times. The lack of a consistent artist didn't help but it did also seem to jump around quite a bit. Book 3 got better as the narrative strands recombined for an ending but it didn't quite live up to the promise of the start. Still enjoyable but just short of top quality thrillpower.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 January, 2021, 01:43:08 PM
New covers via hachette site. Lee Carter's name on the Indigo Prime but no Edmund Bagwell?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsqXmH2XYAIqUMY?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsqXmFtXcAIwqpw?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsqXmDaXIAAU8Vr?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 26 January, 2021, 01:50:15 PM
I'm guessing the collection will have Dead Eyes in it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 26 January, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Qwertyburger on 26 January, 2021, 01:50:15 PM
I'm guessing the collection will have Dead Eyes in it.
Makes sense. Every strip up to Dead Eyes gives you 226 pages and leaves 243 for a second volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 January, 2021, 05:08:13 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 26 January, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Qwertyburger on 26 January, 2021, 01:50:15 PM
I'm guessing the collection will have Dead Eyes in it.
Makes sense. Every strip up to Dead Eyes gives you 226 pages and leaves 243 for a second volume.

Ohh so that was the strip when IP came back, but isn't listed under IP on Barney. I understand now. I was *out* while that ran so wasn't aware.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 26 January, 2021, 06:05:49 PM
My sub messed up again - never got 85 & 86 in December. I'm almost wishing this will end this year and not continue indefintely because it's a nightmare trying to keep track of this. Although I am really looking forward to Bring and Fiends of the Eastern Front.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 26 January, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
I was kinda hoping the fervent and lobe stuff was ignored ah well
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 27 January, 2021, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 January, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
I was kinda hoping the fervent and lobe stuff was ignored ah well

I'm super-pleased to see the Fervent and Lobe stuff in there! Love those characters. Will be great to see them in the Tyranny Rex volume too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 January, 2021, 09:33:36 PM
As a sanity check for those keeping stock, #87 (Red Seas #2, spine #88) and #88 (Brink #1, spine #107) showed up for me today.

Also:

Quote from: Smith on 28 February, 2017, 08:02:26 AM
That sounds interesting.
And I would love me some Red Seas.
You got it eventually! :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 January, 2021, 09:46:12 PM
Also found me mulling over the series and saying back in 2017 "I can't see, for example, an 80-volume set spending 10 or so on Nikolai Dante". Very glad to have been totally wrong about that!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 29 January, 2021, 01:57:02 PM
I love this series, I love it got an extension. I do however feel I'm being ripped off having to pay for Greysuits again  :-X
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 29 January, 2021, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: credo on 27 January, 2021, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 January, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
I was kinda hoping the fervent and lobe stuff was ignored ah well

I'm super-pleased to see the Fervent and Lobe stuff in there! Love those characters. Will be great to see them in the Tyranny Rex volume too.

Seconded! This looks fantastic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2021, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 29 January, 2021, 01:57:02 PMI do however feel I'm being ripped off having to pay for Greysuits again
Mm. I wasn't a fan of it the first time round. I guess enough people like it though—or Matt does.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 January, 2021, 11:31:20 AM
It's a veritable overload of thrill power this month. Two absolutely cracking books, both brilliant but utterly different from each other. Brink with it's procedural format slowly building up the tension while Red Seas rattles along from one crazy scenario to the next. Yeowell's beautiful b/w line work vs Culbard's incredible us of colour and space. Time travelling buccaneers vs mysterious space cults. These are 2 very different strips but in there own ways each feels like quintessential 2000ad. Can't wait for the continuation of these series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 31 January, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Has 140 books been definitively confirmed as the limit for this series, or has it been left open that there might be a further extension? I ask this question as there are some titles which will not be complete after 140 editions (Stickleback, Defoe, Grey Area - I'm looking at you!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 January, 2021, 02:37:39 PM
With the 2 volumes of Grey Area planned for the 1st extension I think there's probably space for everything up to prog 2125's Making History. I think that's everything to date isn't it?

Don't think we've had a complete list of everything that's in the 2nd extension yet. From what I've seen I think there's probably around 10 books still to be accounted for. I'd be surprised if there's not a volume of Stickleback in those tbh.  The 2 remaining Defoe stories would be just about enough for a volume too so fingers crossed those make it. A 3rd volume of Kingdom would be great too even if it ends up being a bit on the slim side with only 2 stories in it.  I guess they could throw the one-off from the sci-fi special last year in there too but that's still a pretty slim book (although no slimmer than some of the later Slaine volumes).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2021, 05:04:30 PM
Fiends has arrived, and is a lovely book. Contains the original series, the Bishop/Macneil revival (sadly not re-lettered, as far as I can see), Edginton/Taylor's 1812, Edginton/Trevallion's ...Western Front, and the Adams/Kendall story from the 2019 Sci-fi Special. It's an artistic smorgasbord!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 February, 2021, 05:15:43 PM
Not wishing to tempt fate a book that will possibly have the winners of both the Classic and Current favourite art droid tourneys... lets see what the next few days bring!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 February, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Basically a complete run then - with the exception of Constanta which only just finished it's run in the prog so hardly surprising that's not included here.

I started buying the prog with 2100 so 1812 was my intro to this strip, looking forwards to catching up on the earlier stories I missed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2021, 09:36:52 PM
Quote from: sintec on 09 February, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Basically a complete run then - with the exception of Constanta which only just finished it's run in the prog so hardly surprising that's not included here.

Yup - but Constanta is mentioned several times, and there's even a panel from it in the back-of-the-book material.

The original series is great - it didn't really need any sequels or revisits (good as most of them are). There's a great sense of slow, inevitable foreboding to it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 10 February, 2021, 09:08:28 AM
This volume is a definite cherry pick for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 February, 2021, 10:04:26 AM
Finished The Ten Seconders at the weekend. A really nice concept, feels a bit overplayed these days as mentioned in the backmatter. The middle bit was harder to read due to the changes in art, but it was still lovely to look at. And that last section by Edmund Perryman was just beautiful. Looking forward to more of his stuff turning up in the UC?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 February, 2021, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 10 February, 2021, 10:04:26 AM
Finished The Ten Seconders at the weekend. A really nice concept, feels a bit overplayed these days as mentioned in the backmatter. The middle bit was harder to read due to the changes in art, but it was still lovely to look at. And that last section by Edmund Perryman was just beautiful. Looking forward to more of his stuff turning up in the UC?

Not much, sadly - a fair bit in Indigo Prime v2, but that might be it...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 February, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 February, 2021, 11:24:13 AM
Not much, sadly - a fair bit in Indigo Prime v2, but that might be it...
Yes - guess it depends if Cradlegrave gets included in there somewhere. I've not read it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 February, 2021, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 10 February, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 February, 2021, 11:24:13 AM
Not much, sadly - a fair bit in Indigo Prime v2, but that might be it...
Yes - guess it depends if Cradlegrave gets included in there somewhere. I've not read it.

Oh if you get the chance do. Its one of 2000ad's best strip ever I'd dare to say.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 10 February, 2021, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2021, 09:36:52 PM
Quote from: sintec on 09 February, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Basically a complete run then - with the exception of Constanta which only just finished it's run in the prog so hardly surprising that's not included here.

Yup - but Constanta is mentioned several times, and there's even a panel from it in the back-of-the-book material.

The original series is great - it didn't really need any sequels or revisits (good as most of them are). There's a great sense of slow, inevitable foreboding to it.

There's a few stories that really didn't need any sequels but the original was that good it left us hungry for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 February, 2021, 05:01:12 PM
The first two Red Seas collections have just landed and I have to say they are lovely. While nothing will be quite as exciting as getting all of Dante in lovely hardcover collection this will run it close.

Its a beautiful showcase for The Mighty Yeowell's art and the repo is top notch (I assume from the Digital Editions?)

Well worth checking out if you cherry pick.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 February, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
I'd also recommend if people do want to cherry pick, they don't hang about. All of Hachette's books appear to be going OOP a lot faster than they used to, presumably due to a downtick in print runs because of COVID.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 10 February, 2021, 06:44:17 PM
If they're doing an extended run will premium subscribers get more figurines and what not?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 February, 2021, 06:58:23 PM
No more premiums.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 10 February, 2021, 07:36:02 PM
Ah!

How was this communicated? Did you get a letter with your sub ?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 February, 2021, 07:52:19 PM
Did anyone get a letter about the extension? It was listed in the Hachette portal, but I don't know anyone who got one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 10 February, 2021, 08:34:30 PM
I genuinely don't know - my subs get messed up every few months so if changes are being sent by letter with that months issues I might not have got it. I didn't know this was being extended until I checked here and had no idea that the premium subscription was not going to continue. I work full time and study part time so I'm probably not as on top of this as I could be. It usually takes me 2 months to notice I've missed something :

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/a5/d6/5aa5d6321cf7e5c16bef7f4ae6644980.jpg)

I know I have received letters about other things in the past; the covers editions for example.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 10 February, 2021, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 10 February, 2021, 07:36:02 PM
Ah!

How was this communicated? Did you get a letter with your sub ?
All information was via the FB page. I can't find a specific answer to quote you now other than when they recently listed all the figurines and stopped at the one delivered with #80.

Easiest way to see it is that your payment should have decreased by a couple of quid a month.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 11 February, 2021, 06:13:44 PM
I'm not on facebook because I clearly like living life in hard mode.

There was Nemesis, Death, Halo Jones, Dredd and Dante - was that it?

I did notice the change this month but can't say for sure with previous months because reasons I won't bored you with related to my account info. It has been a nightmare for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 11 February, 2021, 07:35:09 PM
Wasn't there also a Rogue Trooper figure?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 12 February, 2021, 07:22:29 AM
Well fuck, I see that was despatched back in Sep 2019 so probably no chance of getting it replaced now. I've contacted them anyway but I'm not getting my hopes up. If they can't replace it this has been a complete waste of time and money. I remember having issues with my subs around that time and they have replaced the issues but not the figurine. I'm absolutely furious - I remember having to call and sort it out and being assured that no figurines were issued at that time and I hadn't missed out on anything.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 12 February, 2021, 07:48:05 AM
I wouldn't hold out much hope either.  I was never sent the last print of the Mega Collection.  I chased up, received a platitudinous email and then ....

...

    ........

           ...................................

Another reason why I decided to leave the Ultimate collection alone.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 12 February, 2021, 08:32:50 AM
I've gone through what I have received and am missing some older issues (10 and 27 for example). To say I'm bitterly disappointed is somewhat of an understatement. I'll notify them of what I'm missing - some of the later ones may not have been issued yet and see if we can shore up the gap. I'm not getting my hopes up that the RT figure will be replaced. The whole thing feels like a complete waste of time and money and yet there it sits in my living room - a testament to my naivete and folly.

Anyway some nice sounds for this Friday morning : https://www.aor.am/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 15 February, 2021, 11:00:46 AM
The Fiends book is absolutely mint.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 16 February, 2021, 10:19:40 AM
I'd sort of hoped Hachette might use the extension to reset relationships with subscribers, so that we'd get the books first, but I guess not. Glad to hear it's a good read though - looking forward to it!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 February, 2021, 10:28:36 AM
My deliveries for the past four months average out at just over 30 days, and so it looks like we're very gradually slipping even further, which is quite something. Oh well. I guess that's just the way Hachette functions now (which still baffles me).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 February, 2021, 07:11:57 PM
Umming and ahhing over the offers on digital copies of Harlem Heroes and M.A.C.H1 in the 2000AD shop.  I already have the Dare books in hardback so those would give me the majority of the intial progs.

Can't decide if I should hold out for a physical copy of Harlem Heroes - Bellardinelli art is appealing. Similarly not sure if M.A.C.H1 is worth it?


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 February, 2021, 08:30:53 PM
Hold out for HH in what sense? It's had two editions now in paperback, one of which is still in print: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Harlem-Heroes-2000-AD/dp/1906735522

Whether it'll be in the Hachette collection is another question. As for M.A.C.H. 1, I suspect enjoyment hinges on your fondness (or lack thereof) for that era of comics.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 February, 2021, 09:43:17 PM
Hold out in the sense that I'm trying not buy too many books before an imminent house move in the next month or so - there's also the risk of it ending up a double dip in this collection although that is starting to seem unlikely.

I've enjoyed bits of the early era of the prog might grab the first book of MACH1 and see what I think.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 19 February, 2021, 03:44:09 PM
Has anyone received their copy of 'Greysuit' yet? If so, could you say whether it includes the entire story?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 19 February, 2021, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 19 February, 2021, 03:44:09 PM
Has anyone received their copy of 'Greysuit' yet? If so, could you say whether it includes the entire story?

I picked up Greysuit from the Thrill-merchant on Wednesday and have just finished it. It does indeed contain all four arcs so is on the heftier side of these volumes.

I enjoyed it, it reminded me of a political Button Man, and Uncle Pat wouldn't be Uncle Pat without at least a healthy dose of polemic. Great art too - I particularly liked the panels where the background is out of focus.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 February, 2021, 08:42:57 PM
Damn, I was looking forward to fiends of the Eastern Front, but I ordered originally from a Smiths in another town and switching branches SHOULD be easy, but NOOOOO, I've got to cancel from the old place and then reorder from the other and hope I don't miss an issue.  Anyway, I was due to go and pick it up today but my car has broken down.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 19 February, 2021, 11:19:07 PM
Jade, Hachette and Forbidden Planet currently have copies of Fiends if you have any problems with Smiths.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 February, 2021, 01:09:47 AM
Oh they have the copy of Fiends, but its my car that is the problem.  It's a VW Golf and the battery just seems to drain, I don't know if its the battery, the alternator, the starter motor or god knows what.  Ideally I want to get that sorted for other things.  I've contacted them saying why I wasn't in, but it's not ideal.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 February, 2021, 07:48:50 AM
m.a.c.h 1 is def of its time

also is lobster random still availible anywhere? my newsagent fucked up and never got it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 20 February, 2021, 08:14:36 AM
Forbidden Planet still have Lobster Random up on their site and there's a couple of eBay for £15 &£17
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 February, 2021, 10:32:53 PM
I picked up my partworks today after getting a jumpstart.  I wasn't expecting Greysuit to be there, along with a replacement copy of Flesh for some reason.  I'll be looking forward to reading Fiends of the Eastern Front anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 24 February, 2021, 07:37:20 AM
Guys!

You're not going to believe this but all back issues AND the Rogue Trooper figure have been replaced.

I can scarely believe my luck; oh happy day!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 24 February, 2021, 09:13:19 AM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 24 February, 2021, 07:37:20 AM
Guys!

You're not going to believe this but all back issues AND the Rogue Trooper figure have been replaced.

I can scarely believe my luck; oh happy day!


Excellent (and very unexpected) news.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 24 February, 2021, 05:23:03 PM
It arrived yesterday and it was like Christmas morning  :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 February, 2021, 09:59:23 PM
Did Greysuit come out early, I managed to get out and picked up Fiends, and Greysuit was there.  I was expecting it this week.  Also, I notice we had a replacement copy of Flesh.

As to the stories.

Fiends was enjoyable, a bit short in places, I felt the Napoleonic story could have been a bit longer and that the WW1 Black Max crossover perhaps went on a little too long, but overall enjoyable nonetheless.

Greysuit.  Despite what I'd heard here I enjoyed it.  The only thing that bothered me was the fact that the Russian (or whatever he was) Greysuit turned into a 'good guy' (looseley), even after the fact we learned he was a sadist.  For instance the description of what he had done to the female reporter.  It wasn't enough that he killed a target but seemed to be a mad dog that should have been put down.

It did seem to drag out a bit at the end though and then seem to suddenly end which sounds like a contradiction.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 February, 2021, 10:35:14 AM
My subscription copies arrived today — with crushed corners. I wish they'd go back to the old-style packaging.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 03 March, 2021, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 26 January, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: Qwertyburger on 26 January, 2021, 01:50:15 PM
I'm guessing the collection will have Dead Eyes in it.
Makes sense. Every strip up to Dead Eyes gives you 226 pages and leaves 243 for a second volume.
According to the Hachette website the first Indigo Prime volume is 192 pages which is too short to include both Dead Eyes and Fervent and Lobe (which is 53 pages including the Winter Special story).

My guess is that the latter isn't included but 'Solstice' is (even though it focuses on a character whose only previous appearance is in 'The Issigri Variations' and refers back directly to that story). Maybe they think Fervent and Lobe would fit better with Tyranny Rex after 'Woody Allen' and 'Soft Bodies'? That would make for a big Tyranny book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 March, 2021, 12:14:51 PM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 03 March, 2021, 08:52:50 AM
According to the Hachette website the first Indigo Prime volume is 192 pages

I wouldn't trust the page counts on there too much. It lists Greysuit as 182 pages which would only be enough for the first 3 stories but we got all 4 stories and the page count is more like 250.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 04 March, 2021, 06:16:03 AM
I just got these yesterday - I still don't understand why I am a month behind everyone else and get my subs long after they are available in the shops.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 March, 2021, 09:18:02 AM
I got Fiends/Greysuit a week ago. I don't think any subs were earlier.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 05 March, 2021, 06:10:47 PM
Some forum members received their copies on 9th February ... so 3 weeks ... I exagerate a smidge ..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 March, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
We're they subs copies, though, or people with standing orders?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 March, 2021, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 05 March, 2021, 06:10:47 PM
Some forum members received their copies on 9th February ... so 3 weeks ... I exagerate a smidge ..

That was me, I think. I pre-order the books I want from Forbidden Planet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 05 March, 2021, 08:00:17 PM
Yes it was you Dark Jimbo but I didn't want to name names but what? That's even worse!!

I'm really not getting how all this is supposed to work.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 March, 2021, 09:24:54 PM
Subscribers usually get their books early. By with partworks, it seems that doesn't happen and they're send partway through the cycle.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 March, 2021, 09:33:39 AM
It's been a mixed bag this month I have to say.  Fiends is really superb stuff, the original run is absolutely classic 2000AD. Ezquerra delivers some great art and the story rattles along (maybe my favourite thing so far from Finley-Day). It's revival many years later is also great stuff. Haven't quite got to the end of the book yet (just finished 1812) I've been eeking it out inbetween chapters of Greysuit which I'm finding a bit of a slog.

Greysuit seems to suffer from similar issues to Skip Tracer - I don't really care about the main characters and I find my self struggling to remember what happened a few pages ago. I can imagine this felt interminable when it ran in the prog with a 1 week gap between every 6 pages. The first chapter just seemed to end as well - there didn't seem to be any climax - it felt more like the middle of a story that concluded in the 2nd chapter.  Still I think this is the first book I've struggled with in many months, with a series like this there's always going to be a couple of volumes that don't hit the mark. In comparison I decided to try the new DC series (the first couple of books were cheap enough that it seemed a good oppotunity to dip my toe in to that pond). Can't say I'm hugely impressed and I don't think I'll be continuing that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 March, 2021, 10:11:25 AM
I've found the various DC series great for cherry picking and getting a few select books as cheap HCs. Same with the Marvel one, for which I bought and read the first 60, resold then on eBay and then just re-bought Marvels.

With the 2000 AD run, I think it's been solid from an objective quality standpoint, beyond the DC/Marvel books and also the Dredd series, which could have ditched at least a dozen volumes. But I didn't need to read Conspiracysuit again and am really not thrilled about Finn, which I suspect is going to look particularly bad with its Icke-era thinking and problems. It's an odd pick.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 07 March, 2021, 06:55:27 AM
wait finns gonna be in the extension? i didn't know that
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 March, 2021, 10:12:15 AM
Yep. I'm sure that'll make some people happy. Given the strip's problem regarding depiction, I think it's a mistake, but there you go.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 07 March, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
Without dragging the Meg floppies out of the box to check- is there anything likely to be in the hardback that wasn't reprinted in the freebies?

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 07 March, 2021, 03:26:03 PM
I don't think anything beyond the first two series were ever reprinted
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 08 March, 2021, 12:31:54 PM
We've got more or less a confirmed list of the DC books from the Spanish Hachette site and there's barely a bad book in there (depending of course, on whether you can stomach capeshit). However this collection has been consistently solid with very few missteps.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 March, 2021, 01:22:40 PM
So where's that list? Got a link?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 March, 2021, 02:02:47 PM
Feel this is spam for this thread, but here's the list of spanish hachette DC books as sorted by title by me, and tweaked here or there where translations didn't make 100% sense but could be matched to DC trades.
EDIT: spotted some errors while pasting. still a few not quite right. Plus: This list does not mean exactly what's in the UK version, as we know.

49      All Star Squadron: The Saga of the Ultra-Humanite
59      Aquaman: The Chronicles of Atlantis
40      Aquaman: The Drowning
16      Aquaman: The Pit
75      Aquaman: The Time and the Tide
71      Batgirl: The Darkest Reflection (new52)
8      Batman : All Star Batman Vol 1
52      Batman : All Star Batman Vol 2
15      Batman: Broken City
78      Batman: Gotham Knights Transferance
1      Batman: I Am Gotham
47      Batman: Whatever happened to the caped crusader
21      Batwoman: The Many Arms of Death (rebirth)
61      Birds of Prey: Hunting
24      Black Canary and Zatanna: Blood Spell
30      Crisis on Infinite Earths vol.1
35      Crisis on Infinite Earths vol.2
54      Deathstroke: City of Assassins (1992)
67      Deathstroke: The Professional (rebirth)
64      Flash: The Human Race
4      Flash: Rebirth
5      Forever Evil
60      Gotham Central: Unresolved Targets
62      Green Lantern Corps: Corps Stories
29      Green Lantern: Emerald Twilight
33      Green Lantern: Rebirth
37      Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps War
46      Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps War vol.2
11      Harley Quinn: Die Laughing
2      Harley Quinn: Heat in the City
39      Hawkworld
44      Infinite Crisis vol.1
48      Infinite Crisis vol.2
26      Infinite Crisis: Sacrifice
43      Infinite Crisis: The Day of Vengeance
12      Infinite Crisis: The Omac Project
32      Infinite Crisis: The Rann-Thanagar War
41      Infinite Crisis: Villains United
38      JLA: The Rock of Eternity
13      Joker: Asylum Vol. 1
17      Joker: Asylum Vol. 2
7      Joker: Devil's Advocate
23      Joker: Who Laughs the Last
25      Justice League of America: Crisis in New Genesis
56      Justice League of America: The Lightning Saga
50      Justice League of America: The Tornado's Path
77      Justice League: A Midsummer's Nightmare
14      Justice League: Darkseid War vol.1
19      Justice League: Darkseid War vol.2
53      Justice Society of America: The Next Age
63      Justice Society: Kingdom Come Vol. One 64 Flash: Race for Humanity
65      Justice Society: Kingdom Come vol.2
70      Legend of Hawkman Delivery
68      Legion of Superheroes: Legion of 3 Worlds
57      Legion of Superheroes: The Great Darkness Saga
51      Lex Luthor: The Black Ring (blackest night)
55      Lex Luthor: The Black Ring 2 (blackest night)
74      Nightwing: A Knight in Blüdhaven
18      Question: The Five Books of Blood
27      Shazam: The Power of Shazam!
36      Starman: The Sins of the Father
58      Suicidal Squad: Kicked in the Teeth
10      Suicide Squad vs. Justice League
3      Suicide Squad: The Black Vault
45      Suicide Squad: Trial by Fire
76      Supergirl: Supergirl: Reign of the Cyborg Supermen (rebirth)
20      Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes
79      Superman: Cosmic Encounters
6      Superman: Superman's Son
42      Superman: The Man of Steel
22      Superman: The Man Who Had Everything
72      Superman: The Phantom Zone
28      Superman: Trials of the Superson
31      Supersons: When I Grows Up
64      The Six Secrets: Six Degrees of Devastation
66      Vigilante: I'm the Justice
9      Wonder Woman: Reflections
69      Wonder Woman: The Lies
73      Wonder Woman: The Truth
34      Wonder Woman: Year One
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 08 March, 2021, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 March, 2021, 01:22:40 PM
So where's that list? Got a link?
Here's the list I put together, sorted in rough chronological order.
PRE-CRISIS
Batman: The Untold Legend of The Batman
Justice League: Crisis on New Genesis
Legion of Superheroes: The Great Darkness Saga
All-Star Squadron: Saga of the Ultra-Humanite
Crisis on Infinite Earths Vol 1-2
Superman: For The Man Who Has Everything


POST-CRISIS
Superman: The Man of Steel
Superman: The Phantom Zone
Batman: My Beginning and My Probable End
Hawkworld
Suicide Squad: Trial by Fire
Aquaman: The Atlantis Chronicles
Deathstroke: City of Assassins
Aquaman: Time and Tide
Shazam: The Power of Shazam
Green Lantern: Emerald Twilight


POST-CRISIS IN TIME
Starman: Sins of the Father
Joker: Devil's Advocate
Justice League: A Midsummer's Nightmare
Nightwing: A Knight in Bludhaven
JLA: Rock of Ages
The Flash: The Human Race
Batman: Gotham Knights
Legend of Hawkman
Joker: Last Laugh
Wonder Woman: Down to Earth
Batman: Broken City
Gotham Central: Soft Targets
Green Lantern: Rebirth
Infinite Crisis: The OMAC Project
Infinite Crisis: Sacrifice
Infinite Crisis: Villains United
Infinite Crisis: Day of Vengeance
Infinite Crisis: The Rann-Thannagar War
Infinite Crisis Vol 1-2


ONE YEAR LATER
Secret Six: Six Degrees of Devastation
Justice League: The Tornado's Path
Justice Society: The Next Age
Justice League: The Lightning Saga
Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps War Vol 1-2
Justice Society: Thy Kingdom Come Vol 1-2
The Question: Five Books of Blood
Superman and the Legion of Superheroes
Legion of Superheroes: Legion of Three Worlds
Joker's Asylum Vol 1-2
Batman: Whatever Happened to The Caped Crusader?
The Flash: Rebirth
Lex Luthor: The Black Ring Vol 1-2


THE NEW 52
Aquaman: The Trench
Batgirl: The Darkest Reflection
Forever Evil
Harley Quinn: Hot in the City
Justice League: The Darkseid War Vol 1-2


REBIRTH
Aquaman: The Drowning
Batman: I am Gotham
Batwoman: The Many Arms of Death
Deathstroke: The Professional
Harley Quinn: Die Laughing
Suicide Squad: The Black Vault
Supergirl: Reign of the Cyborg Superman
Superman: Son of Superman
Superman: Trials of the Super Sons
Wonder Woman: The Lies
Wonder Woman: Year One
Wonder Woman: The Truth
Super Sons: When We Grow Up
Batman: My Own Worst Enemy
Justice League vs Suicide Squad


UNKNOWN AND ELSEWORLDS
Superman: Cosmic Encounters
Black Canary and Zatanna: Blood Spell
Birds of Prey: Hunting
Green Lantern Corps: Tales of the Corps
Vigilante: I am Justice

And here's the direct link https://www.salvat.com/colecciones/heroes-y-villanos/entregas.html
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 March, 2021, 04:09:47 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 08 March, 2021, 02:02:47 PMFeel this is spam for this thread
To be fair, this forum never goes off-topic! :D

(Thanks for the lists.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 March, 2021, 04:22:55 PM
I probably shouldn't have gone on to the Salvat website to discover they have a Vertigo (https://www.salvat.com/coleccion-vertigo?sortOrder=postdate_acs&size=200) collection. If that ever rocks up in the UK, that's going to be annoyingly tempting (although I do already have Y and Preacher deluxe editions, and so Hachette volumes would arguably be a downgrade there).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 08 March, 2021, 04:36:15 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 March, 2021, 04:22:55 PM
I probably shouldn't have gone on to the Salvat website to discover they have a Vertigo (https://www.salvat.com/coleccion-vertigo?sortOrder=postdate_acs&size=200) collection. If that ever rocks up in the UK, that's going to be annoyingly tempting

No Scarab though  :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 March, 2021, 04:42:02 PM
Yeah I'd struggle not to sign up for that Vertigo one - could upgrade my slightly dog-earred Preacher paperbacks.

Still undecided about continuing the DC collection... I'd assume they're leading with some strong books (in the same way UC started with Horned God and Halo) and if this is some of the cream then maybe this just isn't one for me. £s (and shelf space) might be better spent on other books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 08 March, 2021, 04:44:22 PM
Yes I saw that Vertigo series as well. It's one of the reasons I decided to buy Sandman Deluxe as an excuse to stop myself ever buying the Hachette if it did turn up.

Also, my Preacher vol1 is signed by Steve so I'm never giving that away.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 08 March, 2021, 05:11:14 PM
Damn I didn't even see that Vertigo collection. Almost tempting but I have most of Hellblazer, Sandman and Swamp Thing. Fables never really clicked with me despite loving The Wolf Among Us so I think I'd give that series a miss if it comes over. A shame as Vertigo has a lot of underrated series that have been out of print for decades
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 March, 2021, 05:48:47 AM
ohh i would be all over for that
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 09 March, 2021, 04:13:18 PM
I'd rather a Star Wars collection to be honest, but I've never been a superhero fan.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 March, 2021, 01:01:42 PM
So does anyone have anything to say about the VC's book.  I was honestly surprised that it had part of the Dan Abnett second run in it, I was expecting only the original series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 13 March, 2021, 02:23:16 PM
Could anyone tell me what Hachette's packaging is like these days and what are the chances of an item being delivered damaged? I have just ordered one item from them after a very long hiatus and wondered if they are a bit better at packaging and more professional than they used to be? Thank you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 March, 2021, 02:32:32 PM
The current packaging is middling. They're using card boxes again, but not the good ones that make crush damage almost impossible. Most of my recent books have been OK, but there are a few dings.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 March, 2021, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 13 March, 2021, 01:01:42 PM
So does anyone have anything to say about the VC's book.  I was honestly surprised that it had part of the Dan Abnett second run in it, I was expecting only the original series.

The original series would have been a fairly short book for Hachette it's only 129 pages of strip.  Plus I think the Abnett run would have been slightly too long to fit into a single volume, it's 271 pages of strip according to Barney. Splitting it like this should mean we're getting a complete run

I'm really looking forward to this one - have heard good things from an old friend who is a long term squaxx. Also really excited for the first book of Indigo Prime - it's going to be a veritable thrill power overload this month I feel.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 March, 2021, 04:17:37 PM
I've finally gotten round to reading DURHAM RED - THE SCARLET CANTOS, as I'm just cherry picking.

What a volume! I'd not read these for many, many years and never collected so it was a real treat to find I enjoyed the volume as much as I wanted to.

Yes, Harrison completely overdid it on the art front and was in real danger of rendering the first volume unreadable, but they manage to pull it off. Each story gets better and more focused. When the S/D weapon references emerge in the Empty Suns I uttered a cry of joy.

This was a fantastic volume and the only way they could have topped it would have been to include the Scarlet Apocrypha series from the Meg.

And then to tie it in to the recent run, Alec Worley gets to write an article about the genesis of the strips we've just read.

One Happy Squaxx.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 March, 2021, 04:40:38 PM
How much Worley Red have we had now? I'm wondering if there might be any chance of that rocking up at some point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 March, 2021, 05:08:33 PM
Oh, I think it will for sure, but maybe not just yet. I'm thinking Alec might be building individual stories into something larger -- something we can all get our teeth into. (Sorry/NotSorry)

It would be nice for Ben to draw it all as well -- there is a lot of work in these strips so to have a single artist volume would be most welcome.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 March, 2021, 05:09:17 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 March, 2021, 04:40:38 PM
How much Worley Red have we had now? I'm wondering if there might be any chance of that rocking up at some point.

Not really as much as you'd think. It's down on the schedule as one of this year's digital releases, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 18 March, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
as we all guessed indigo prime is the entirety of the original gn plus dead eyes its so nice to have it in hard cover

what was a surprise is they included a change of scenery so this is more complete than the original gn
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 March, 2021, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 March, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
what was a surprise is they included a change of scenery so this is more complete than the original gn

That is a surprise - wasn't that already included in the All Star Future Shocks volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 18 March, 2021, 08:33:01 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 March, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
what was a surprise is they included a change of scenery so this is more complete than the original gn
Thought we knew that from the artist credits but great to have it confirmed. Now I just need to find a way to get a copy smuggled out of that godforsaken island!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 21 March, 2021, 06:19:00 PM
Indigo Prime volume 1 is a joy. I don't think I'd read The Issigri Variations since it was in the Prog, and can't remember what I made of it back then - I may even have skipped it. But now it's absolutely brilliant. Killing Time is magnificent, and Dead Eyes would be a great conspiracy thriller on its own without the final twist.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 22 March, 2021, 11:12:30 AM
I took a subs holiday from Hachette last year, but it seems it has just kicked in again as I've just had The Guv'Nor and 10 seconders American Dream through the post
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 22 March, 2021, 03:31:59 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 21 March, 2021, 06:19:00 PM
Indigo Prime volume 1 is a joy. I don't think I'd read The Issigri Variations since it was in the Prog, and can't remember what I made of it back then - I may even have skipped it. But now it's absolutely brilliant. Killing Time is magnificent, and Dead Eyes would be a great conspiracy thriller on its own without the final twist.

It is really great. I had completely forgotten that the Fervent and Lobe stuff was already reprinted in the Rebellion collection. Great to have everything in the Hachette collection and looking forward Vol 2 (even more so the promise of Tyranny Rex in the foreword).

The Ultimate Collection version of Issigri Variations does miss out the 'Next Prog' captions though, which were all taken from the names of Sonic Youth songs!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 24 March, 2021, 09:52:22 AM
I know there's a lot of veterans on this forum but most of the stuff in this collection is new to me. Have there been any arcs/series that have been hyped up but disappoint either on a first read or reread? I'm up to Vol 4 of ABC Warriors and I gotta say it's really not doing anything for me.

The earlier arcs are fine, if standard, early 2000AD and The Black Hole was fun but after that it just feels like kind of a slog. Is there something I'm missing here or is it just cos I wasn't there at the time and didn't have to experience the pain of waiting like 5 years between arcs? Artwork is consistently fantastic though
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 24 March, 2021, 09:58:19 AM
Unfortunately the recipe for ABC Warrios has been the same even the latest series feels like a rehash and retelling of the same story and theme. The Volgan War (art by Clint Langley - his art is excellent and works brilliantly) was actually good and felt a little bit more fresh
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 24 March, 2021, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 24 March, 2021, 09:52:22 AM
I know there's a lot of veterans on this forum but most of the stuff in this collection is new to me. Have there been any arcs/series that have been hyped up but disappoint either on a first read or reread? I'm up to Vol 4 of ABC Warriors and I gotta say it's really not doing anything for me.

The earlier arcs are fine, if standard, early 2000AD and The Black Hole was fun but after that it just feels like kind of a slog. Is there something I'm missing here or is it just cos I wasn't there at the time and didn't have to experience the pain of waiting like 5 years between arcs? Artwork is consistently fantastic though

I think your mileage for ABC Warriors likely depends on your nostalgia for those early series (and Nemesis). For my money, everything from the first ABC Warriors, through Nemesis 4-6 and Black Hole is great (plus the final two Ro-Busters stories). Even some of that may depend on you having been the right age at the right time though (I can't say for certain that my love of The Terrameks isn't simply because I read it as a kid).

Everything else after that is pretty inessential, although with great art. Khronicles of Khaos might be a good 'they could have just ended it here' point. The Deadlock solo series is very good, but more part of the overall Nemesis story than an ABC Warriors thing. Volgan War is also great, but very much a retread of old ground.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 March, 2021, 10:05:24 AM
Let's get the gang together! > Evil corporation! > ABC Warriors squabble! > SHOCK BETRAYAL! > New member who may or may not stick around for a while! > The gang split! > Let's get the gang together! > Evil corporation! > ABC Warriors squabble! > SHOCK BETRAYAL! > New member who may or may not stick around for a while! > The gang split! > Let's get the gang together! > Evil corporation! > ABC Warriors squabble! > SHOCK BETRAYAL! > New member who may or may not stick around for a while! > The gang split! > Let's get the gang together! > Evil corporation! > ABC Warriors squabble! > SHOCK BETRAYAL! > New member who may or may not stick around for a while! > The gang split!

Forever and ever.

Incidentally, my subs copies arrived this week and the packaging has reverted to the one with protection on the ends. Here's hoping that sticks. I've been on about this to the Facebook lot for a few months now, noting that every single package was arriving with at least some damage (albeit minor), whereas the better packaging usually avoided that happening.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 24 March, 2021, 10:12:29 AM
Good to know it's not just me then. It's a shame cos the characters are great and there's so much you could do with them. The Deadlock series was admittedly pretty good and helped a bit with the somewhat meh ending of Nemesis. The less said about Nemesis and Deadlock though the better.

At the risk of kicking a wasps nest full of razor blades, I'd love to see where another writer could take the series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 24 March, 2021, 04:10:57 PM
Just finished both Vols of The Volgan Wars and wow did the series make a big 180. Not sure if it's just because of the gorgeous Langley artwork but it felt incredibly fresh compared to the last few books, even if if did retread some old ground. I'm hoping when we finally get a Return to X book in the next extension it keeps up this level of quality
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 24 March, 2021, 04:21:58 PM
Except for the Langely art they are all repeat, rehash, nothing new
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 24 March, 2021, 07:07:15 PM
Indigo Prime: it's slightly disappointing the collection doesn't include the organisation chart that went with the first episode proper (complete with Fervent and Lobe struck off, Academy of Law-style). But I can live with that!

30 years ago* I had the vague idea that there was more going on with Mary Seward than met the eye and I still have it now. I've always felt mildly annoyed that she didn't turn up as a recruit when the series was rebooted. Admittedly, she's dead but so's everyone else in the series.

* Oh god, I'm old!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 March, 2021, 08:03:23 PM
Just finished Killing Time - and... wow. The collection would have been far less ultimate without that. The whole book has been great but that tale was a massive dose of high octane thrill power. Absolutely superb work from both droids. Gonna have to take a break now - at risk of thrill power overload.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
Killing Time is, for me, an all-time 2000 AD classic. Why it wasn't in the original 80 books, I'll never know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 March, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
Killing Time is, for me, an all-time 2000 AD classic. Why it wasn't in the original 80 books, I'll never know.

I guess once they decided they were going to include ALL THE SLAINE, and the other long running strips they decided John Smith would get his dues later?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 March, 2021, 12:59:13 PM
Yeah it's hard to pick 2 things that I'd swap out from the original run to make space for the 2 books of Indigo Prime. Maybe Hewligan and one of the modern single volume entires (Aquila or Ichabod). That would have kept the spread of original publication dates roughly similar too which I suspect was a consideration, although it would have meant less standalone volumes which might also have been a factor.

Very glad we got the extension though Red Seas and the John Smith volumes have been superb so far and (as far as I'm aware) were hard (if not impossible) to get physical copies of before this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2021, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: sintec on 26 March, 2021, 12:59:13 PMYeah it's hard to pick 2 things that I'd swap out from the original run to make space for the 2 books of Indigo Prime.
Scrap Ace Trucking. Or compress Robo-Hunter into two books and bump one of Aquila/All Star Future Shocks/Hewligan's Haircut to the extension. Ampney Crucis could have gone. Invasion also. Plenty of choices.

Also, I'd suggest Indigo Prime could have sat as just that first book in the original run, which could have made it even easier to include.

Still, it's there now, and this first bunch of extras, up to 111, looks really solid. Whether I'll continue past that point remains to be seen though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 March, 2021, 02:33:25 PM
One more delivery and I'll have to rejig my shelves to accommodate a new row of the books. I already moved the Transformers collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 March, 2021, 08:25:11 PM
Dead Eyes rounds out the first volume of Indigo Prime by delivering the government conspiracy story that Greysuit wished it could have been. The big reveal at the end is somewhat spoiled as you know it's going to tie back into the universe simple at some point. But despite that it was still a cracking tale. Great art (if a little murky in places) and a story that just kept on building. Makes me wonder if Greysuit really just needed to take a bit more time to build it's world before Blake broke his programming and set out to bring down the organisation.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 02 April, 2021, 03:04:41 AM
I don't really get most of John Smith's work as it just doesn't make sense no matter how many times I read one of his strips. Killing Time is the exception to this and also the reason why I keep trying. It is helped by the wonderful artwork by Chris Weston. I got a sketch from him once at a convention (does it still qualify as a sketch if you have to pay for it? Anyway) His other requests were for Dan Dare and he seemed surprised and pleased to get asked for a sketch of Winwood. I somehow lost the book which contained said drawing while moving house. Seven years later and I'm still annoyed about it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 April, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
Picked up the latest Red Seas volume, I've also still to read Indigo Prime.  This one seems a bit on the slim side.  Any reason for that?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 April, 2021, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 05 April, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
This one seems a bit on the slim side.  Any reason for that?

I think it's just a result of the story lengths. Either this volume of the last volume of Red Seas was always going to be a bit on the slim side (or require some backup strip). This way around leads to the more average distribution bringing the next story into vol 3 would have left vol 4 very slim and probably in need of some supporting strip(s).

I'm assuming vol 3 contains:






StoryPage CountProgs
Signs And Portents40Progs 1617-1623
The Chimes At Midnight30Progs 1644-1649
Hell And High Water70Progs 1688-1699

Which would leave the following for book 4:






StoryPage CountProgs
Gods And Monsters70Progs 1728-1739
Beautiful Freak45Progs 1792-1796
Fire Across The Deep70Progs 1813-1823
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 April, 2021, 09:40:34 AM
The existence of slim volumes gives me hope that the final two books of Kingdom might still make it into the 2nd extension.

I still think they could have excluded Beautiful Freak from the Red Seas books, allowing them to fit it (just) into three volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Knightshade on 07 April, 2021, 04:18:49 PM
Just have his on the Hachette site
Number of pages for Issue 93, 264

?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 April, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Knightshade on 07 April, 2021, 04:18:49 PM
Just have his on the Hachette site
Number of pages for Issue 93, 264

?

The page counts on there are utterly unreliable.  The only thing you can be certain of is that the book has a different number of pages to whatever it says.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 12 April, 2021, 11:02:55 AM
Not a subscriber (or Facebook user), so my only knowledge of the upcoming volumes comes from this thread and the Hachette webpage, so everything seems to have gone dark. According to the list a few pages up-thread, we should already be on Savage Volume 3. Has everything been delayed?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 April, 2021, 11:33:11 AM
I've no idea about street dates anymore, but I got 91/92 (VCs + Indigo Prime) on 22 March. I wouldn't expect Savage: Rise Like Lions until mid-May, judging by that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Knightshade on 12 April, 2021, 12:18:21 PM
Got this list from Somewhere cant remember where

81 - Flesh
82 - Firekind
83 - The Red Seas
84 - Lobster Random
85 - Savage: The Guv'nor
86 - Ten-Seconders
87 - The Red Seas Vol 2
88 - Brink
89 - Fiends of the Eastern Front
90 - Greysuit
91 - VCs
92 - Indigo Prime
93 - The Red Seas Vol 3
94 - Dominion
95 - Savage: Rise Like Lions
96 - Jaegir
97 - Grey Area
98 - Defoe
99 - Inigo Prime Vol 2
100 - VC's Vol 2
101 - The Red Seas Vol 4
102 - Mercy Heights
103 - Absalom
104 - Brink Vol 2
105 - The Order
106 - Grey Area Vol 2
107 - Defoe Vol 2
108 - Tales of Telguuth
109 - Tyranny Rex
110 - Judge Dredd: the Small House
111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men

Also the Wiki has been good, was usually a few ahead but has been stuck where it is now for a few weeks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 April, 2021, 12:25:00 PM
Savage is now due out mid-May - currently we're on Red Seas volume 3.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 April, 2021, 02:49:22 PM
Seeing that list again reminds me that it's a really thrillpacked few months we've got coming up. Several volumes in there that I'm really looking forwards to as it'll give me a chance to fill in the backstories (Jaegir, Grey Area, Defoe). Also looking forwards to finally reading the last Absalom story, that's been the only thing I've ever skipped in the prog since I started subscribing as I was worried it might spoiler some of the earlier tales.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 April, 2021, 03:03:10 PM
It really is a great selection, in no small part due to the sheer amount of John Smith and the complete Red Seas in HC. I do wonder how 112–140 will fare, but ta least these 30-odd books will be crackers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 April, 2021, 08:09:19 PM
Back cover of this week's prog lists credits for the Dominion book as Wagner, Kek, Hine, Percival & Cornwell.
Presence of Kek suggests more Deadworld with Kendall's name left off due to space, but what has Dan C drawn that could go in that book?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 April, 2021, 08:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 12 April, 2021, 08:09:19 PM
Back cover of this week's prog lists credits for the Dominion book as Wagner, Kek, Hine, Percival & Cornwell.
Presence of Kek suggests more Deadworld with Kendall's name left off due to space, but what has Dan C drawn that could go in that book?

Poking around on Barney I reckon the answer is:

Judge Fear - Memories are Made of This from Prog 2073 - written by Kek-W and drawn by Dan Cornwell.

And I'm going to predict Kendall's name is absent because we're not getting more Deadworld on top of that (although I'd love to be wrong about that one).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 April, 2021, 09:04:14 PM
No doubt you're right there. Mayhap a whole Deadworld book in the second extension then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 April, 2021, 09:30:53 PM
What is Dominion?  Never heard of it myself.

I'm eagerly looking forward to the third Savage.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 April, 2021, 10:08:49 PM
Continuing story of the Dark Judges after the events of Dark Justice. Death. In. Spaaaaaaace!
As published in the Megazine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Super Mario on 13 April, 2021, 01:21:04 PM
is this the first megazine content to end up in the collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 13 April, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
Next three covers are up: Dominion, Savage and Jaegir:

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/)

As for previous Megazine stuff, Beyond our Kenny was in the Cam Kennedy Dredd volume, but I can't think of any others off the top of my head.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 April, 2021, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: Super Mario on 13 April, 2021, 01:21:04 PM
is this the first megazine content to end up in the collection
A quick search of the wiki shows a couple of the Kenny Who strips plus a Shakara & a Fiends..., but otherwise, yes the first major content.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 April, 2021, 11:00:44 AM
Bit behind, but I've started Indigo Prime. Despite the revival (post-Dead Eyes) being one of my favourite thrills ever, this early stuff is all new to me.

Bit hard to believe that earlier collections opened with the completely mystifying Issigri Variations...! A Change of Scenery is a much better introduction to who/what IP are. IV might have read better if the Tyranny volume had been released first - there's five or six references to Soft Bodies that don't mean a whole lot! It's a fun story, but needlessly obtuse at times. The idea of two characters whose every adventure is *actually* an unreliable operatic retelling of those adventures is brilliantly mad, but doesn't work as well in practice as in theory - it needs some sort of visual device to mark the switch between the opera and the adventure, which could be handled really well now with the advent of digital colour. A bit before its time, maybe. Beyond the opera thing (and very subtle hints that they're gay lovers) Fervent and Lobe don't make much impression - they just look and sound far too similar.

Indigo Prime would have been the story that opened the book with almost any other writer, and it's a great little intro. Chris Weston makes an immediate impression, and this carries through to the series of shorts that follow. The whole universe starts to feel really coherent. Can't wait for Killing Time!

One reference/joke I feel like I was completely missing, though - who are these cliff carvings meant to be? Tom Baker and Peter Davidson...?

(https://i.imgur.com/WK8U0xP.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: dossa1uk on 14 April, 2021, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 14 April, 2021, 11:00:44 AM

One reference/joke I feel like I was completely missing, though - who are these cliff carvings meant to be? Tom Baker and Peter Davidson...?

(https://i.imgur.com/WK8U0xP.jpg)

Starsky and Hutch, I think...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 14 April, 2021, 12:44:17 PM
If you're really lucky you can get a "special hachette edition" of this volume that starts at page 33 in the middle of the Issigri Variations, and goes on to put the first 32 pages at the end of the book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 April, 2021, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 14 April, 2021, 12:44:17 PM
If you're really lucky you can get a "special hachette edition" of this volume that starts at page 33 in the middle of the Issigri Variations, and goes on to put the first 32 pages at the end of the book.

I mean... I feel for you, but that is very John Smith.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 14 April, 2021, 05:59:11 PM
As predicted upthread, Dominion contains the title story, Memories are Made of This and Torture Garden. No Deadworld stuff, but still lots of lovely Dark Judge horror.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 14 April, 2021, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: dossa1uk on 14 April, 2021, 11:06:16 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 14 April, 2021, 11:00:44 AM

One reference/joke I feel like I was completely missing, though - who are these cliff carvings meant to be? Tom Baker and Peter Davidson...?

(https://i.imgur.com/WK8U0xP.jpg)

Starsky and Hutch, I think...

Definitely Starsky and Hutch, though they do look a bit like Gareth Thomas and Michael Keating.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 14 April, 2021, 11:15:59 PM
Hmmm. The ultimate collection appear to have vanished from the Hachette website!?! Hopefully just a temporary glitch?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 15 April, 2021, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: levers on 14 April, 2021, 11:15:59 PM
Hmmm. The ultimate collection appear to have vanished from the Hachette website!?! Hopefully just a temporary glitch?

That really is curious. Maybe their web host is as competent as their printers?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 April, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
Hachette support replies: "I can confirm the collection is still running as it should be. I am unsure of the reason for the issues being taken down, so I will raise this query."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 15 April, 2021, 04:00:17 PM
Thanks for the update. That's a relief. I Facebook messaged them this morning but hadn't had a response. Wonder if someone working on the website accidentally hit the delete key!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 April, 2021, 09:09:54 AM
Dominion is brilliant, Nick Percival's art is something else and this and the Deadworld series put the DJs firmly back in the horror camp where they belong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 April, 2021, 09:16:24 AM
Quote from: levers on 14 April, 2021, 11:15:59 PM
Hmmm. The ultimate collection appear to have vanished from the Hachette website!?! Hopefully just a temporary glitch?

Appears to be back this morning.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 16 April, 2021, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: sintec on 16 April, 2021, 09:16:24 AM
Quote from: levers on 14 April, 2021, 11:15:59 PM
Hmmm. The ultimate collection appear to have vanished from the Hachette website!?! Hopefully just a temporary glitch?

Appears to be back this morning.

Thanks. Time to order some books. Recommendations from the extension please?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 April, 2021, 10:11:07 AM
Everyone will have their own take on things, but of those in stock (80–92), I highly rate:

Firekind: a John Smith classic that's also among his most coherent and accessible works, featuring an explorer on an alien planet. Backed with the interesting Leatherjack.

The Red Seas: rollocking epic adventure that suffered in the Prog due to the manner in which it was drip-fed over many years. Far better in collected form. (Note: this will run to FOUR books: 83; 87; 93; 101)

Brink: a modern 2000 AD classic, providing an alternate take on a procedural that rapidly goes to some very dark places among the last surviving humans, living in tin cans in space. (This will run to TWO books: 88; 104.)

Fiends of the Eastern Front: a collection of linked stories from across the ages, featuring vampires and the military men who meet and confront them.

I'm also fond of:

Flesh: old-school 2000 AD with cowboys herding dinosaurs in Earth's distant past, and battling meat eaters for supremacy. A bit hokey, but then it's old.

Lobster Random: divisive Spurrier-scripted yarn featuring a grumpy war veteran with a penchant for robots and massive lobster claws grafted to his side. I find this a breezy, fun read, but know it rubs some people up the wrong way.

In a more general sense, this is almost a "can't go wrong" extension. Of the books on the Hachette site, the only one I reckon should get in the bin is Greysuit. Looking at the announced list through 111, Mercy Heights is the only one I'm surprised to see in the list. (Although I don't recall it being _bad_ per se, Medivac 318 was a far better 2000 AD 'ER in space', and Mercy Heights for me wasn't as interesting as the solo spin-off featuring a certain blue-skinned character.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 16 April, 2021, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 April, 2021, 10:11:07 AM
Everyone will have their own take on things, but of those in stock (80–92), I highly rate:

Firekind: a John Smith classic that's also among his most coherent and accessible works, featuring an explorer on an alien planet. Backed with the interesting Leatherjack.

The Red Seas: rollocking epic adventure that suffered in the Prog due to the manner in which it was drip-fed over many years. Far better in collected form. (Note: this will run to FOUR books: 83; 87; 93; 101)

Brink: a modern 2000 AD classic, providing an alternate take on a procedural that rapidly goes to some very dark places among the last surviving humans, living in tin cans in space. (This will run to TWO books: 88; 104.)

Fiends of the Eastern Front: a collection of linked stories from across the ages, featuring vampires and the military men who meet and confront them.

I'm also fond of:

Flash: old-school 2000 AD with cowboys herding dinosaurs in Earth's distant past, and battling meat eaters for supremacy. A bit hokey, but then it's old.

Lobster Random: divisive Spurrier-scripted yarn featuring a grumpy war veteran with a penchant for robots and massive lobster claws grafted to his side. I find this a breezy, fun read, but know it rubs some people up the wrong way.

In a more general sense, this is almost a "can't go wrong" extension. Of the books on the Hachette site, the only one I reckon should get in the bin is Greysuit. Looking at the announced list through 111, Mercy Heights is the only one I'm surprised to see in the list. (Although I don't recall it being _bad_ per se, Medivac 318 was a far better 2000 AD 'ER in space', and Mercy Heights for me wasn't as interesting as the solo spin-off featuring a certain blue-skinned character.)

Thanks for the tips. Bah! Red Sea volume 3 immediately out of stock!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 April, 2021, 11:23:09 AM
QuoteRed Sea volume 3 immediately out of stock!
Forbidden Planet still have 90-93 in stock (93 is Red Seas 3)

https://forbiddenplanet.com/322328-2000ad-ultimate-collection-volume-93/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/322328-2000ad-ultimate-collection-volume-93/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 April, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the stock levels of very recent items on the Hachette website. Be mindful subscribers haven't even received those issues as yet. That said, Forbidden Planet (as per Tomwe's link) is an excellent option for guaranteeing late-stage partwork copies come your way, rather than waiting to see what happens with Hachette. (It's touch and go whether Hachette items listed as OOS will come back into stock. That was pretty random with the Transformers books, for example.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 16 April, 2021, 12:11:27 PM
i may be bias but that indigo prime volume is worth it also i do agree this has been a strong extension so far only book i really didn't like was greysuit
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 April, 2021, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 April, 2021, 11:23:09 AM
QuoteRed Sea volume 3 immediately out of stock!
Forbidden Planet still have 90-93 in stock (93 is Red Seas 3)

https://forbiddenplanet.com/322328-2000ad-ultimate-collection-volume-93/ (https://forbiddenplanet.com/322328-2000ad-ultimate-collection-volume-93/)

They've got 84 - 93 (and up to 99 available for pre-order).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 18 April, 2021, 01:50:05 PM
Do we think the upcoming inclusion of Torture Garden in this collection is the reason it only got a digital only release from Rebellion, or do we think there will be more and more digital only collections in the future?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 April, 2021, 05:31:43 PM
Hard to know what drives the decision making. I'm not overly sure the Hachette collection is direct competition these days, given its extremely limited distribution. That said, I'm also not sure I'd want a softback trade going up against a hardcover that's probably cheaper. Add into that COVID dramatically cutting back production runs and that might be the answer. Or it might not.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 19 April, 2021, 01:37:23 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 13 April, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
Next three covers are up: Dominion, Savage and Jaegir:

I'm hopeful that the Tyranny Rex book will have Will Simpson's cover for the Best of 2000AD 109 on the front, for my money the single filthiest thing Tharg has ever published.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 19 April, 2021, 02:40:41 PM
Here's all the Tyranny covers from Barney. That Best Of... is probably my second fave, behind 875. It'll defo be a green one, hey? Probably 1395 more likely.

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/reprints/hires/BO2K109.jpg) (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/usreprints/hires/trex01.jpg)
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/566.jpg) (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/583.jpg)
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/597.jpg) (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/856.jpg)
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/875.jpg) (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/1395.jpg)
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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 April, 2021, 10:57:56 AM
Subscription copies of 93/94 just rocked up here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 April, 2021, 02:25:02 PM
Guess I'll find out if Hachette actually managed to update my address properly in the next few days then
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 22 April, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
I've continued having all my books sent to the office, even though I've been working at home for 12 months. Didn't trust them to change it properly!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 April, 2021, 09:30:46 PM
Surprise the books went to my old address - luckily still have keys to the place for a few more days yet so I was able to retreive them this afternoon. 

Red Seas may be short on pages but it's not lacking in thrillpower. Finished it already as I couldn't put it down. Can't wait for the conclusion - it's all hotting up now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 28 April, 2021, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 22 April, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
I've continued having all my books sent to the office, even though I've been working at home for 12 months. Didn't trust them to change it properly!
I'm the same, I'm happy to have them up to 5 months late if it means not dealing with Hachette's fu¢к up line.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 28 April, 2021, 05:39:00 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 April, 2021, 10:57:56 AM
Subscription copies of 93/94 just rocked up here.

I got 93 & 94 today (yay!) but I didn't get 91 & 92 (boo!). I can't cope with this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 April, 2021, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 19 April, 2021, 01:37:23 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 13 April, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
Next three covers are up: Dominion, Savage and Jaegir:

I'm hopeful that the Tyranny Rex book will have Will Simpson's cover for the Best of 2000AD 109 on the front, for my money the single filthiest thing Tharg has ever published.

filthier than the purity brown one from about seven issues later?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 28 April, 2021, 07:25:31 PM
That one's trying too hard.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 28 April, 2021, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 14 April, 2021, 05:59:11 PM
As predicted upthread, Dominion contains the title story, Memories are Made of This and Torture Garden. No Deadworld stuff, but still lots of lovely Dark Judge horror.

The 2000ad Ultimate Collection wikipedia page has this edition featuring only the title story and they are usually quite accurate, so I just wondered whether the other two stories made it in? (That's not to doubt you in any way, Abelardsnazz!) Also, I don't remember 'Memories are Made of This' - could someone refresh my own memory?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 28 April, 2021, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 28 April, 2021, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 14 April, 2021, 05:59:11 PM
As predicted upthread, Dominion contains the title story, Memories are Made of This and Torture Garden. No Deadworld stuff, but still lots of lovely Dark Judge horror.

The 2000ad Ultimate Collection wikipedia page has this edition featuring only the title story and they are usually quite accurate, so I just wondered whether the other two stories made it in? (That's not to doubt you in any way, Abelardsnazz!) Also, I don't remember 'Memories are Made of This' - could someone refresh my own memory?

Wikipedia is incorrect, the other two stories are most definitely in there, it would be a slim volume if they weren't.

Memories Are Made of This, as someone has said over on the Barney thread, is a sort of bridging story between the Deadworld series and the Dark Judges' exploits on Dominion.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 29 April, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
Just received Red Seas II and Brink 1
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: XRayLexx on 07 May, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
anyone else get 2 copies of volumes 103 and 105?
was there an issue with the original ones they sent out?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 May, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
I had the same. They messed up some subscriptions by sending them twice, although I didn't get charged twice. I was informed that they can be returned for free to "FREEPOST HACHETTE PARTWORKS".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 May, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Anyone picked up the Jaegir volume yet?
What stories are we getting? Is it a complete run (to date)?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 13 May, 2021, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: sintec on 13 May, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Anyone picked up the Jaegir volume yet?
What stories are we getting? Is it a complete run (to date)?

Jaegir contains:

Strigoi
Circe
Brothers in Arms
Tartarus
Warchild
Bonegrinder
Valkyrie

So yes that is everything to date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 13 May, 2021, 09:04:21 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 13 May, 2021, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: sintec on 13 May, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Anyone picked up the Jaegir volume yet?
What stories are we getting? Is it a complete run (to date)?

Jaegir contains:

Strigoi
Circe
Brothers in Arms
Tartarus
Warchild
Bonegrinder
Valkyrie

So yes that is everything to date.

What about 'In the Realm of Pyrrhus'?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 13 May, 2021, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 13 May, 2021, 09:04:21 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 13 May, 2021, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: sintec on 13 May, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
Anyone picked up the Jaegir volume yet?
What stories are we getting? Is it a complete run (to date)?

Jaegir contains:

Strigoi
Circe
Brothers in Arms
Tartarus
Warchild
Bonegrinder
Valkyrie

So yes that is everything to date.

What about 'In the Realm of Pyrrhus'?

Oh yes, missed that, what looked like a strip page was a title page.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 May, 2021, 09:53:44 AM
Wow!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 May, 2021, 11:48:05 AM
Can't wait for this book, in all its sickly purple and green glory. Nu-Earth has never looked more like the chemical sink it should be.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 May, 2021, 10:58:37 AM
Got my subscriber copies today. Jaegir all in one book is fantastic!

Also got the Full Tilt Boogie HC. Always surprised which Rebellion trades come in at this smaller size and which are more prog-sized. See: Recent Stront Starlord collection, Summer Magic, 13th Floor vs Misty, Button Man, aforementioned FTB.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 May, 2021, 11:06:49 AM
Re: Savage Rise Like Lions. This covers books seven through nine, leaving ten and eleven uncollected, which seems a bit of a shame especially as its about half a book's worth of pages and so is likely to get skipped all together. That is, unless it gets twinned with something in the second extension. Savage, and Invasion, will then be the most spread out strip of the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 May, 2021, 11:57:57 AM
I'd be happy with 2 shorter books collecting the missing bits of Savage and Kingdom. Seems like a real shame to have those incomplete in the collection. Don't think they'd be much shorter than the Slain Book Of Scars was. Could always be rounded out with some Future Shocks or other one-offs by the same writers/artists to push the page count up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 May, 2021, 12:17:55 PM
Yeah I suppose Savage 10 & 11 would still have the page count of a six issue Marvel trade which is par the course of those Hachette collections. Only other Goddard work I can see that isn't Dreddworld is something called Wardog from 2001, which is a video game tie in?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 May, 2021, 12:49:28 PM
Subs copies just arrived here, FWIW.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 May, 2021, 01:06:34 PM
Stuck the question up on the FB group... might as well ask and see if they'll reply.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Knightshade on 18 May, 2021, 03:25:08 PM
Which FB group?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 May, 2021, 03:48:57 PM
This one (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/community/?ref=page_internal)

I had almost forgotten they existed at all, after spending hours every day diligently checking for any updates on the series when it first launched.

No reply to the Q as yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 19 May, 2021, 12:30:37 PM
the covers for grey area and defoe are up on the official site
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 May, 2021, 05:19:19 PM
For those who don't follow the FB group I had a reply about whether the last 2 series of Savage would be included in the extension:

Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hey Dave,
Unfortunately they are no plans to include Savage in the current issue listings. We will keep you updated if this changes.
Thanks!

Not sure if the current issue listing they refer to is complete up to 140 but it doesn't sound promising. Which is a shame.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 21 May, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
That's a shame, just binge read all 3 vols of Savage and surprisingly found it probably the best modern day Mills stuff, even if (avoiding spoilers here) some elements came up rather abruptly and felt out of place compared to the tone of the earlier series. Book 9 did end with a very "...and the adventure continues!" feel so I wouldn't be devastated if books 10-11 weren't collected, especially as book 12 seems more and more unlikely by the day. Personally I'm hoping for a volume or three of Mills comics just to collect his later stuff that wasn't included in earlier books like the rest of Flesh, the last Slaine story and ABC Warriors.

Tbh after reading the meg's 2000ad encyclopedia supplements it really dawned on me how many shorter series have been essentially lost to time and are incredibly unlikely to get reprinted. (I'm incredibly new to 2000ad, only starting at 2073) So I'd love to see "The Rob Williams Collection" or "The Gordon Rennie Collection" reprinting those 5-10 part long series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 May, 2021, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 21 May, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
That's a shame, just binge read all 3 vols of Savage and surprisingly found it probably the best modern day Mills stuff,

Yep I think it defo is. Savage remains everything that's great in Pat Mills. I often wonder if its writing a character so unMillsian that forces it into place that are far more interesting?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 May, 2021, 10:31:17 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 21 May, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
Tbh after reading the meg's 2000ad encyclopedia supplements it really dawned on me how many shorter series have been essentially lost to time and are incredibly unlikely to get reprinted. (I'm incredibly new to 2000ad, only starting at 2073) So I'd love to see "The Rob Williams Collection" or "The Gordon Rennie Collection" reprinting those 5-10 part long series.

Yeah I started shortly after you did (2100) and completely agree. I'd hoped for a few more books along the lines of the writer themed volumes like Sooner Or Later/Hewligans Haircut, DR Quinch/Skizz, Firekind/Leatherjack. But it doesn't seem like we're going to get many of those.

There's at least one more book of ABCs scheduled for the 2nd extension though so I'm hoping we'll get the rest of that series (although I did grab the hardcovers in a sale a while back when it looked like we wouldn't).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 May, 2021, 10:51:54 AM
One I'm slightly surprised didn't happen is The Dead + Freaks. They would have hung together pretty well, and you'd have got:

The Dead / 49
Freaks / 30
Faces / 48

Perhaps chuck in Shadows (53) and you've a solid collection of Milligan work (bar Faces, which had Higgins on scripting duties).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 May, 2021, 11:03:29 AM
Quote from: sintec on 22 May, 2021, 10:31:17 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 21 May, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
Tbh after reading the meg's 2000ad encyclopedia supplements it really dawned on me how many shorter series have been essentially lost to time and are incredibly unlikely to get reprinted.

Yeah I started shortly after you did (2100) and completely agree. I'd hoped for a few more books along the lines of the writer themed volumes like Sooner Or Later/Hewligans Haircut, DR Quinch/Skizz, Firekind/Leatherjack. But it doesn't seem like we're going to get many of those.

Leviathan is due in the 2nd extension, and that's going to need to be paired with something else. We don't yet know what.

It's a good point, though. So many great one-and-dones that can/have fallen through the cracks of the reprint machine. Chiaroscuro; From Grace; The Scrap; Cradlegrave; A Love Like Blood; London Falling; Dead Signal; Angel Zero; Family... A few have had Megazine supplement collections, and I see that Slaughterbowl is being released as a digital-only 'trade' this week, which probably points the way forward for this sort of stuff. I'd be amazed if we ever see any of it in the UC, frankly, which is admittedly a shame - but then, where do you draw the line?!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 22 May, 2021, 02:43:02 PM
John Smith has four outstanding series that could just about squeeze into one volume (Revere, Slaughterbowl, A Love Like Blood and Cradlegrave).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 May, 2021, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 22 May, 2021, 02:43:02 PM
John Smith has four outstanding series that could just about squeeze into one volume (Revere, Slaughterbowl, A Love Like Blood and Cradlegrave).

Revere's in the (second) extension! But it's only a smidge over 100 pages, so they could easily fit something else in with it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 May, 2021, 03:30:28 PM
Hoping we get Helium as a back up story in the Leviathan volume. Have heard so many good things about it on these forums. That still only takes it to 130 pages so probably space for another story too.

I already picked up Cradlegrave in one of the sales so (selfishly) I'd prefer one of the other Smith tales as back up in the Revere volume. I'm sure I can find someone to pass my TPB onto if I end up with a dupe though. It's a great story so certainly deserves to be included.

War Machine is going to need something as back up to. Presumably something else from the rogue-verse.

Indigo I'd love to see that Milligan volume happen. There are still a few unknowns in that 2nd extension so fingers crossed (although I'm not holding out much hope I have to say).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 May, 2021, 04:13:11 PM
The main issue with Helium is that it felt very 'part one' and we never got any more of it. The series got reprinted in the Meg floppy some time back, which made everyone thing series two was on the way, but... nothing. (See also: Brass Sun. What's going on there?)

It'll be interesting to see what War Machine is backed with. Almost the entire Fr1day run was bloody awful, and the subsequent tangled continuities mess wasn't much better either. I personally liked the Tor Cyan strips—and we know Mercy Heights is (bafflingly) being included in the UC, so perhaps that could back War Machine? I dunno.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 22 May, 2021, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 22 May, 2021, 02:49:15 PMRevere's in the (second) extension! But it's only a smidge over 100 pages, so they could easily fit something else in with it.

Is this official or just a rumour?

There are a few shorter Smith stories that might be nice to have in a hardcover volume - Danzig's Inferno, The Strange Case of the Wyndham Demon, his two Tales from Beyond Science - that might fit the "weird" vibe of Revere better than the outright horror of A Love Like Blood or Cradlegrave.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 May, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
Reveres inclusion is official. From the FB page (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/photos/a.1849714002023590/2778159705845677/)

Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Due to popular demand, we're excited to confirm that 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection will now continue to 140 issues. There will be a natural break in the spine art issue 111, but if you choose to continue collecting we have some awesome stories lined up for you including Finn, Sinister Dexter, Strontium Dogs, ABC Warriors, Brass Sun, Black Hawk, The Mean Arena, and Revere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 22 May, 2021, 06:55:59 PM
Excellent.

I am torn about Brass Sun because it would be nice to have the complete series (to date) in one place but I already have the large format Rebellion hardcover and don't want to downsize.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 22 May, 2021, 10:20:39 PM
I finally got round to reading Savage:Rise Like Lions and really enjoyed it.  It was nice to see a viewpoint from the Volgans in that bunker at the bridge including the youngest member who was a birdwatcher.  I start to think that the Quartz brothers are worse than the Volgans, at least you know who the villains are with the Volgans, the Quartz's are more insidious, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're partially behind the idea of the Royal Family not returning as I can see them attempting to block the US move on the oil facilities.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 May, 2021, 10:51:16 PM
I've enjoyed the collection and the extension to 111 is mostly amazing, but that list for the next 29 really doesn't excite me. Might turn into a cherry picker when 111 comes through the door.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 23 May, 2021, 01:36:35 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 May, 2021, 10:51:16 PM
I've enjoyed the collection and the extension to 111 is mostly amazing, but that list for the next 29 really doesn't excite me. Might turn into a cherry picker when 111 comes through the door.

Was there ever a list for the second extension? I thought they just mentioned a few titles that would be included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 May, 2021, 09:12:33 AM
No complete list - just the post I copied above and the spine art which gave away a few more. Best we've got so far is:

Finn
Revere
Brass Sun
The Mean Arena
ABC Warriors
Strontium Dogs   
Blackhawk
Blunt
Rogue Trooper - War Machine
Samantha Slade
Ro-Busters
Devlin Waugh
Leviathan
Sinister Dexter

That leaves quite a few unknowns. Hopefully a bunch of those will round off series we've already had (Defoe, Stickleback, Deadworld).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 23 May, 2021, 09:56:54 AM
Hope 'Grey Area' will be completed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 23 May, 2021, 09:56:54 AM
Hope 'Grey Area' will be completed.

Yup, you can fit the whole of it in the two books we're getting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 May, 2021, 12:22:19 PM
Armoured Gideon's total run would put it at the heftier end of the scale for one volume, but I'd love to see it collected in hardcover. Come on Tharg, you know it makes sense.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 May, 2021, 12:43:59 PM
There does seem to be a fair amount of overlap between the recent digital releases and the UC (Firekind, Revere, Mean Arena, Torture Garden, Durham Red). I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of the others (Armoured Gideon, Slaughterbowl, Flesh: Midnight Cowboys) appearing.

I do wish we knew what (if any) Dredd we're getting. It's hard to believe there won't be at least 1 more volume in that final run. I've been umming and ahhing about buying some of the recent Dredd trades (Machine Law, Gautemala) because I don't want to end up with doubles.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2021, 01:49:25 PM
I would love to see an Armoured Gideon book. And, let's face it, this is the only way we'd ever get one, bar some kind of insanely expensive self-published custom job.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 23 May, 2021, 01:58:05 PM
It would be good to have Harvey, Machine Law and Guatemala all in one volume.

Also Strontium Dog: The Son. Although I'd rather have that in the same format as the regular graphic novels collecting the rest of the series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2021, 02:41:54 PM
Quote from: Richard on 23 May, 2021, 01:58:05 PM
Also Strontium Dog: The Son.

That's coming in December.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 May, 2021, 02:19:39 AM
Read Jaegir, I had the softcover but it was nice to see the additional stories which got even darker.  Reading Jaegir and some of the later Rogue Trooper that was done after the original, when they tried to make the world grittier, I think it's a shame that the 86ers didn't last longer as I found that to be an enjoyable read.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 01 June, 2021, 04:14:13 PM
grey areas pretty good
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 June, 2021, 07:08:14 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 01 June, 2021, 04:14:13 PM
grey areas pretty good

I'd say Grey Area moves from good to astonishing with the God-Stars / Resting Bitch Face storyline.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 02 June, 2021, 04:38:16 PM
I have just calculated that the first volume of 'Grey Area' contains 190 pages of story which leaves 235 pages of story for volume 2. Could this be just a little too much for a single volume or have we had editions this large in the past? I would hate for any of the material to be omitted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 June, 2021, 05:36:47 PM
The biggest I think we've had in this partwork is Lobster Random. Not sure how many pages that has, mind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 June, 2021, 06:02:12 PM
We've definitely had a few volumes bigger than 235. Lobster Random, The Life And Death Of Johnny Alpha and Ampney Crucis Investigates... were all around 250ish.

I'll jump on my other computer in a bit where I've got the exact numbers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 June, 2021, 09:31:55 PM
We've had a total of 9 vols with 235+ pages of story in the UC.


Graph shows the pages of story in each volume from the two Hachette Collections. Up to date with my last delivery (Savage and Jaegir).
(https://imgur.com/oKuI3tV.png)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 June, 2021, 09:39:49 PM
Can I ask anyone's opinions of Jaegir.  The only complaint I have with the book is the one I had with the softcover and that is the fact that since its an ongoing strip according to the afterword, that it seems to be on a form of cliffhanger.  I'm not sure what to think of Jaegirs attitude shift, she wasn't sympathetic to the Southers before but didn't seem to have the fanaticism that was endemic in old Rogue Trooper.

Good to see Kovert again, noticed the increase in rank.  It would have been nice to have a reference somewhere to the War Marshal from Realpolitik somewhere (I can't remember his name).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 03 June, 2021, 07:03:36 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 02 June, 2021, 09:39:49 PMI'm not sure what to think of Jaegirs attitude shift, she wasn't sympathetic to the Southers before but didn't seem to have the fanaticism that was endemic in old Rogue Trooper.

She did [spoiler]spend the entire most recent story being tortured by them[/spoiler].

In the original progs I had thought this would be leading up to a series conclusion but from Rennie's comments in the afterword there's a lot more to come.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 03 June, 2021, 08:10:50 AM
I'm also intrigued about the [spoiler]radical departure[/spoiler] he promises for the strip [spoiler]post-'The Path of Kali'[/spoiler].

My best guess: Jaegir [spoiler]moves to Nu Torquay and opens a hotel, with hilarious consequences[/spoiler].
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 03 June, 2021, 01:31:48 PM
I finished my hardback set of Dante and cherry picked a bunch of others at the same time. Savage is just superb - I'm a real mark for Patrick Goddard's art at the best of times and I feel like he is really on top of his game. The series gets weaker once the Volgans are out of England and the dialogue does get extremely clunky in places in the latter volumes (the videogame guy in Rise Like Lions is especially bad) but overall it's so good.. of all the strips Mills could write an end to I'd choose this one. Flesh on the other hand is pretty dire. I never read the early part of the reboot with James Mckay and his art seems a lot better there than it was on Badlanders and it's the main attraction for me there.

The books themselves though are lovely bits of work, and I'm tempted to upgrade a lot of my softbacks into these. I'd go nuts for Armoured Gideon in this format.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 June, 2021, 02:59:43 PM
We've had vols end on cliffhangers before, Ampney Crucis for example. There are going to be more to come too as things like Grey Area are still ongoing and Brass sun was left unfinished. It's the nature of this kind of collection that it can only ever be a snapshot of what's available at the time.

I really enjoyed the Jaegir volume. My intro the character in the prog had been Bonegrinder which was an odd start point as it's seems like that's a major pivot point. It all makes much more sense within the larger continuity.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 June, 2021, 06:51:16 PM
Armoured Gideon is almost the only thing left on my wish list. I'd love to see it. It's such a fun strip and the robot design is fantastic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 03 June, 2021, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 June, 2021, 06:51:16 PM
Armoured Gideon is almost the only thing left on my wish list. I'd love to see it. It's such a fun strip and the robot design is fantastic.

Well although my finances say "please no", I would love the continuation (or an extra continuation to say 150 volumes) to bring in some gaps from the Mega Collection
Another volume of Lawless
More artist themed dredd volumes:
Ron Smith (pirates of the black atlantic, question of judgment etc etc)
Peter Doherty
Chris Weston - early dredds + canon fodder ?
Enceladus (unless we get that in the Small house volume)

And some more collections of short but memorable strips like tribal memories and the dead

Go on Tharg give us an "attrocities of Mark Millar" volume so I can have Silo and Maniac 5 in hardcover (no need for his Robo hunter though!)

And yes please Armoured Gideon

We just have to wait and see what fits into the 140
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 05 June, 2021, 07:20:41 PM
'Ron Smith (pirates of the black atlantic, question of judgment etc etc)'

A Ron Smith collection, be it UC or a massive hardback, is looooong overdue!
Go on, Tharg, do it! The Complete Ron Smith Dredds (with annotations where required)!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 11 June, 2021, 12:09:07 PM
Just been into the office to pick up Savage and Jaegir. Really looking forward to both. I've only read the first two paperback collections of Savage before, so keen to see where it goes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 June, 2021, 01:08:55 PM
Got my sub copies of Defoe 1 & Grey Area 1 here today.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 11 June, 2021, 01:55:36 PM
Mine just arrived, bit weird, I pay by Direct Debit but cover letter asked for payment and now online portal says Direct Debit doesn't exist.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 June, 2021, 05:49:48 PM
Mine arrived also, having apparently previously been used as a football. First set with obvious dings for a while.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 13 June, 2021, 04:50:13 AM
Defoes a chunky book contains everything from the two graphic novels
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 June, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 13 June, 2021, 04:50:13 AM
Defoes a chunky book contains everything from the two graphic novels

Considering I flogged those two GNs for £22 on eBay last October when it was announced we'd get the zombie strip in this collection I'm feeling pretty smug.

It's a fab volume and the endpapers are especially reeky.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 14 June, 2021, 11:37:57 AM
Just received my copy of 'Defoe' volume 1 and everything looks grand. However, it looks like there is just too much material left for it to be complete in two volumes and not enough for three. This is a shame as it would be nice to have the complete story in this format. I'm guessing the most recent story - 'The Divisor' - will not make the final cut.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 June, 2021, 01:04:33 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 14 June, 2021, 11:37:57 AM
... it looks like there is just too much material left for [Defoe] to be complete in two volumes and not enough for three. This is a shame as it would be nice to have the complete story in this format. I'm guessing the most recent story - 'The Divisor' - will not make the final cut.

Hmm, you may well be right - we'd be looking at a book of a little over 300 pages. That's such a shame. If they couldn't fit the whole of it in, then I'm not sure why they didn't just split the six Leigh Gallagher books evenly across the two volumes...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 June, 2021, 10:23:06 PM
I haven't read Grey Area or Defoe yet, I've been rereading Raymond E Feist's Magician for another bit of nostalgia.  I see we have Indigo Prime which I was a bit meh about next then Volume 2 of VC's which I have already in paperback but it will be good to get a hardback.

I'm still surprised, angered to a certain extent and baffled as to why we haven't had Pirates of the Black Atlantic.  I mean we had Dredds confrontation with the Sovs during the Luna Marshal times showing the beginning of the seeds in the timeline of the emnity with the Sov-Blok, we really should have Black Atlantic to tie in as well, especially since there was a throwaway line or two in Apocalypse war about it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 June, 2021, 08:34:26 AM
I'm surprised that tale wasn't in the Dredd collection, given how much objectively crap material we got lumbered with. That was such an odd series at times. An entire book of crap, with an interview at the back with the creator, saying it was crap. OK. I get that you wanted to show Dredd's world, but... why put in terrible books?

The 2000 AD series has been much better for that. Still, hard to see where Pirates would fit into a coherent Dredd volume (with Dredd having been clearly sidelined in this collection, what with many people having likely already bought 80+ volumes of that character's exploits.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 June, 2021, 09:57:13 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 14 June, 2021, 11:37:57 AM
However, it looks like there is just too much material left for it to be complete in two volumes and not enough for three. This is a shame as it would be nice to have the complete story in this format. I'm guessing the most recent story - 'The Divisor' - will not make the final cut.

Yeah this occurred to me too and it definitely seems a bit of an odd choice. We'll have to wait and see what they put in book 2. I'm hoping we get:

Book 2 (159):
The Damned - 72
Frankensteiner - 8
The London Hanged -79

Book 3 (156):
Diehards - 84
The Divisor - 72

Those would both be on the slimmer side but not unprecedented. If book 2 contins Diehards then I guess we know there's no book 3 planned for the final extension. That'd be a shame though as you say it'd be really nice to have the complete story in this format.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 June, 2021, 10:26:07 AM
Using a very unscientific process of photographing my books, pasting them over the original art, and then admittedly having to transform the photo to make the lines straight, I reckon book 85 will be the same size as 84, not skinny as would be required to go to a three volume Defoe set. Sadly.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E36bgd2WYAI-1nk?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 June, 2021, 10:28:50 AM
Also a sad reminder of just how badly the spine crops Boo's art. BOO!

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 October, 2020, 04:58:33 PM
If anyone fancies a look ...

(https://i.imgur.com/hQbNsSS.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 June, 2021, 11:27:18 AM
From a pure design perspective, Hachette spines are abysmal. They wreck the original art, have QC/QA issues that mean things don't line up properly, and are abysmal from a UX standpoint. Want to read Skizz? Good luck remembering what book it's in. Eaglemoss deals with this far, far better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 15 June, 2021, 12:02:22 PM
We could always end up with some complete two series volumes

How about completing Defoe and Savage in one volume ..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 June, 2021, 12:05:36 PM
Well, neither of those is complete in the Prog anyway, so it'd be whatever we have so far. Perhaps Mills will deign to finish them off at some point, but who knows?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 June, 2021, 07:55:17 AM
There was a recent vote on here for a Ron Smith collection, which would be great a la the Carlos and Cam volumes. This could include Battle and Pirates of the Black Atlantic, Blood of Satanus, The Stupid Gun, Bob & Carol & Ted & Ringo, Portrait of a Politician, plus all those brilliant one-parters around Prog 300.

Some more Dredd would be great in the final run, if indeed up to issue 140 is the final run....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 18 June, 2021, 05:57:00 PM
Next two covers are up: second volumes of Indigo Prime and The VCs. https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 18 June, 2021, 06:25:19 PM
Inigo Prime?

Presumably this is why Hartley Hare turned up in Leatherjack?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 18 June, 2021, 06:52:11 PM
My name is Inigo Prime, you killed my multiverse, prepare to be wiped from existence.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 18 June, 2021, 09:30:41 PM
Dammit, the phone doesn't have a spellchecker. Thanks to the real IndigoPrime for amending my nonsense.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 18 June, 2021, 11:27:42 PM
To be fair - Hachette still shows the same mistake

I would totally read a Princess Bride Indigo Prime crossover
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 June, 2021, 09:15:38 AM
To clarify, the edit I made wasn't spellings—it was to make the link work.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 19 June, 2021, 11:07:40 AM
Yes, it appears that the spelling error is Hachette's and not mine as I thought. Is that my coat?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 19 June, 2021, 05:38:51 PM
Yep, I was having a pop at Hachette's spelling - no one else's - and wouldn't even have done that if an obscure 70s puppet series tangent hadn't popped into my mind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 June, 2021, 12:17:47 PM
Indigo Prime Volume 2 contains:

Everything and More
Anthropocalypse
Perfect Day
A Dying Art
Fall of the House of Vista

So that's all of it to date.

The intro also states that Cradlegrave is forthcoming in the collection, yay! - guess it's likely this will be paired with Revere, leaving enough pages for some Smith Future Shocks/Terror Tales - or even Slaughterbowl!?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 23 June, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
I think you could squeeze just about squeeze Revere, Cradlegrave, Slaughterbowl and A Love Like Blood into one volume but I'd prefer two books with room for things like Danzig's Inferno and The Strange Case of the Wyndham Demon as well.

I'm very excited to see Perfect Day collected at last!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 June, 2021, 01:59:48 PM
Cradlegrave: 73 pages
Revere: 109 pages
Slaughterbowl: 48
Total: 230

That would seem to fill a book, once you take into account chapter markers and such. ALLB is 36 pages and might fit the broader horror theme alongside Cradlegrave and perhaps Revere better than Slaughterbowl. I guess we'll see. (Tyranny Rex is on the way too, right?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 23 June, 2021, 02:20:59 PM
FYI there's a short John Smith retrospective at The Comics Journal today, prompted by the Revere digital release. http://www.tcj.com/from-revere-to-eternity-the-works-of-john-smith/ (http://www.tcj.com/from-revere-to-eternity-the-works-of-john-smith/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 June, 2021, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 June, 2021, 12:17:47 PM
The intro also states that Cradlegrave is forthcoming in the collection, yay!

Amazeballs! This is actually going to be a damn good little John Smith hardback library when it's done - not bad considering he was all but absent from the initial run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 June, 2021, 03:15:44 PM
I really miss John Smith in the Prog. He's the reason I stuck with 2000 AD. Without him, the comic's nadir would have been unbearable. But there was always the promise of something at least interesting from Smith would crop up sooner or later.

As for that piece, I half agree with it. Smith's work can frustrate sometimes, but then that's through its somewhat abstract nature rather than — as was common elsewhere at the time in 2000 AD and the Magazine — poor storytelling.

As I've said before, here's hoping bridges weren't entirely broken and Smith might return to the comic again one day. And kudos to Matt Smith for recognising the sheer quantity of quality strip he had from Smith and including the majority of it in the extension, even if there was no room for it in the first 80 books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 June, 2021, 04:25:52 PM
i read that john smith retrospective....did he seriously sneak indigo prime into a dc comic book? :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 June, 2021, 05:24:46 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 June, 2021, 12:17:47 PM
The intro also states that Cradlegrave is forthcoming in the collection, yay! - guess it's likely this will be paired with Revere, leaving enough pages for some Smith Future Shocks/Terror Tales - or even Slaughterbowl!?

Great news even if it does mean I'm going to end up with a spare. Grabbing it in the sale was always a gamble though. The more Smith we can get in the collection the better imo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 24 June, 2021, 04:57:21 PM
Anyone got any news as to whether 'Brigand Doom' will make the extension?
I was getting into 2000ad proper around the run of that series, and its one id like to see included complete in hardback. Anyone else? 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 25 June, 2021, 02:26:10 AM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 24 June, 2021, 04:57:21 PM
Anyone got any news as to whether 'Brigand Doom' will make the extension?
I was getting into 2000ad proper around the run of that series, and its one id like to see included complete in hardback. Anyone else?
No news about that yet but I would also like to see it included. I always loved the art on that series.

There are lots of strips from that era I'd love to see in the collection but I expect that I may be an audience of one...

But hey how about the old Megazine Hershey stories coupled with the new series?
The art of Kevin Cullen is criminally underrated.

Quote repair—IP
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 June, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
Any update on this graph showing the percent of progs included on the collections? I'm hoping that middle section circa 600-900 is showing some improvement now.

Quote from: sintec on 23 April, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
(https://imgur.com/FgeVd4e.png)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 June, 2021, 09:42:02 AM
Given how poor 2000 AD was during the mid 700s to 900 or so, I'm not sure it needs 'improvement'.

As for Brigand Doom, lovely art but a half-baked V for Vendetta knock-off that never really went anywhere. Frankly, I had enough of "nice art, pity about the terrible writing" in the Dredd collection. I'd love it if the 2000 AD one was almost entirely objectively quality content. (Given what we know's coming in the post-111 extension, I'm not sure that'll always be the case, mind, but even then there's no real need to mine the dreck.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 June, 2021, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 June, 2021, 09:42:02 AM
Given how poor 2000 AD was during the mid 700s to 900 or so, I'm not sure it needs 'improvement'.

What can I say, these were the progs that landed in the room next to me when my mother remarried, and I subsequently took over the newsagent order around 750. Not that I've revisited them for many a year.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 June, 2021, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 25 June, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
Any update on this graph showing the percent of progs included on the collections? I'm hoping that middle section circa 600-900 is showing some improvement now.

The Smith books will definitely be adding a little more to those columns, not sure it'll be enough to make a big difference though. I'll get the spreadsheet up to date with the latest releases (including Indigo Prime 2) and upload a new version over the weekend. Most of the recent run has been taken from Prog 1300 or later with a few bits from the pre-300 era.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 June, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 25 June, 2021, 10:39:28 AMWhat can I say, these were the progs that landed in the room next to me when my mother remarried, and I subsequently took over the newsagent order around 750. Not that I've revisited them for many a year.
With astonishing timing, my own regular 2000 AD journey didn't start that much earlier: #651. Although I'd been buying the monthly and quickly started buying up back issues after that point.

From the extension art, it seems likely we will get Revere, Tyranny Rex, some Fr1day, a bit of Strontium Dogs and (urgh) Finn. But I'm not sure we need to see Junker, Millar Robo-Hunter, Wireheads, Trash, The Clown, Fleisher's Harlem Heroes, Dead Meat, Maniac 5, McKenzie Mean Arena, Mother Earth, Grudge Father, Dinosty, Bradley, etc, in hardcover.

I'd still love an Armoured Gideon HC though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 June, 2021, 11:36:07 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 June, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
But I'm not sure we need to see Junker, Millar Robo-Hunter, Wireheads, Trash, The Clown, Fleisher's Harlem Heroes, Dead Meat, Maniac 5, McKenzie Mean Arena, Mother Earth, Grudge Father, Dinosty, Bradley, etc, in hardcover.

That's quite a list there, and some things that never need to be seen again!

(On the 2000AD start date, looks like TFUK 332 landed July 1991 so that maps just about right)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 25 June, 2021, 02:43:59 PM
There's more than enough material for a Middenface McNulty book. [Would love to see Wan Man a' his Dug reprinted finally, it's been 30 years!]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: lasereraser on 25 June, 2021, 03:03:50 PM
Here's hoping Blackhawk is the Belardinelli incarnation :)

Does anyone agree with me that an oversight in the collection is not including Harry 20?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 25 June, 2021, 03:33:30 PM
Harry 20 in a Hard Time collection with all the other prison sagas?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 June, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 25 June, 2021, 02:43:59 PM
There's more than enough material for a Middenface McNulty book. [Would love to see Wan Man a' his Dug reprinted finally, it's been 30 years!]

Here's 255pp (+ 4 covers):

Middenface McNulty   
Wan Man an' His Dug   M1.15-M1.20
Grannibal   M3.76

Young Middenface McNulty   
Tambo Shanter   M4.11
A Parcel of Rogues   M4.16-M4.18

Young Middenface   
Mutopia   M205-M207
Brigadoom   M218-M220
Killoden   M224-M229
Midnapped   M234-M236
A Scottish Soldier   M240-M243

You could also use things like The Big Bust of 49, The Royal Affair, The Rammy & Stone Killers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 June, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 25 June, 2021, 03:33:30 PM
Harry 20 in a Hard Time collection with all the other prison sagas?

I was trying to figure out how many prison sagas there have been, so I thought about it over my porridge and I managed this (277pp):

- Harry Twenty on the High Rock
- Dead Men Walking
- Stalag 666
- Stone Island


Things I thought you could include, but only at a long stretch, and if you screw up your eyes:

- Bad City Blue
- Blackhawk
- The Scrap
- The Straitjacket Fits
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 25 June, 2021, 06:29:29 PM
I'd love to see Harry 20 and Bad City Blue in the collection. As for The Straitjacket Fits, I'm sure there'll be at least one vote for that on here...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 26 June, 2021, 07:49:03 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 25 June, 2021, 06:29:29 PM
I'd love to see Harry 20 and Bad City Blue in the collection. As for The Straitjacket Fits, I'm sure there'll be at least one vote for that on here...

Hey i maybe the only person in the world who likes that strip but even i can't put it into something thats supposed to be the ultimate collection of 2000ad stuff

now canon fodder on the other hand.....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 June, 2021, 02:12:27 PM
As promised here are some updated graphs - this includes all the Hachette books up to the 2nd volume of Indigo Prime.

(https://imgur.com/zy2gPSF.png)

Not a huge amount of change in the middle section - a few more around 801-850 but otherwise that dip is largely unchanged. The big difference is from 1400-1800 where we're now consistently getting 50% plus. From 1650-1700 we've now got over 75% of the average prog!

And here's the same data grouped into Funt's 2K Stages (https://2kstages.github.io/progs.html). Seems the editorial team and Funt agree on where the Nadir was anyway. Several stages around that point where all we've got from each Prog is the Dredd in the Mega Collection.
(https://imgur.com/FYgNBWD.png)

The list of progs where we've got 100% of the strips is now getting pretty long.
91-92, 233, 320, 322-325, 327, 329-332, 334-345, 352, 358-359, 363, 378-381, 383-385, 390-392, 405-406, 412-418, 425, 428, 430-433, 501, 507-508, 555-556, 532-563, 1077, 1092-1095, 1100, 1138, 1150, 1161, 1165-1167, 1173, 1183-1189, 1261, 1300, 1400, 1520, 1523-1525, 1569-1573, 1577-1580, 1616, 1650-1654, 1666-1671, 1675-1676, 1685, 1688, 1750, 1765-1770, 1812

Unsurprisingly quite a few in the late 1600s although still nothing like that run from 320-430.

Looks like Tyranny Rex will give us our first stories from Funt's Nadir stage with book 2 of Deus Ex Machina. That might help raise the bottom of the dip a little but I wouldn't expect a huge change. We'll need to wait for the 2nd extension to really start filling in that gap (Revere, Finn, Durham Red, Strontium Dogs, and maybe Armoured Gideon). For the rest of the first extension I think most of the growh is going to be at the top end of the graph around 1900-2100. We've got quite a few books of material to come from that more recent era (The Order, Defoe, Absalom, Small House, Brink, Grey Area, Strontium Dog).

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 June, 2021, 06:23:24 PM
Coming back to this data the list of Progs where we have 0% of the stories collected is quite interesting:

144, 537, 539, 542-543, 598, 718, 722, 745, 749, 766-803, 808-809, 817-818, 823, 825-827, 867, 872-888, 897-900, 924-939, 949, 1013, 1062-1065, 1067-1069, 1076, 1229-1230, 1249, 1288, 1329-330, 1334-1335, 1357-1361, 1945, 1950-1960, 1993-1995, 2001-2022, 2061-2072, 2079-2099, 2106-2116, 2123-2138
, 2150+

Other than issue 144 we've got at least one story from every prog until the 537! Lots of 0% Progs in the 750-950 range. Then another run from 1362-1944 where we've got at least one story from every Prog. It'll be interesting to see if there are any progs left in this list at the end of the run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 June, 2021, 07:01:21 PM
Quote from: sintec on 26 June, 2021, 06:23:24 PM
Other than issue 144 we've got at least one story from every prog until the 537! Lots of 0% Progs in the 750-950 range. Then another run from 1362-1944 where we've got at least one story from every Prog. It'll be interesting to see if there are any progs left in this list at the end of the run.

Oh that's some interesting facting there sintec. If you ever get bored - and accepting I could get off my lazy arse and do this BUT also accepting that lazy arse is VERY lazy would be great to see this data by year and see if I can tally it with with my favourite years in thrill-power.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 June, 2021, 08:51:39 PM
Quote from: sintec on 26 June, 2021, 06:23:24 PMLots of 0% Progs in the 750-950 range.

This is as it should be.  :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 27 June, 2021, 04:33:40 PM
Indigo Prime volume 2 was quite a ride. I'm not quite sure the transition to Kek-W writing fully worked, but I understand the reasons and guess what had been started needed to be finished. Edmund Bagwell and Lee Carter utterly outdo themselves with the art, some absolutely stunning splash and double pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 27 June, 2021, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: sintec on 26 June, 2021, 06:23:24 PM
Coming back to this data the list of Progs where we have 0% of the stories collected is quite interesting:

144, 537, 539, 542-543, 598, 718, 722, 745, 749, 766-803, 808-809, 817-818, 823, 825-827, 867, 872-888, 897-900, 924-939, 949, 1013, 1062-1065, 1067-1069, 1076, 1229-1230, 1249, 1288, 1329-330, 1334-1335, 1357-1361, 1945, 1950-1960, 1993-1995, 2001-2022, 2061-2072, 2079-2099, 2106-2116, 2123-2138
, 2150+

Other than issue 144 we've got at least one story from every prog until the 537! Lots of 0% Progs in the 750-950 range. Then another run from 1362-1944 where we've got at least one story from every Prog. It'll be interesting to see if there are any progs left in this list at the end of the run.

Haven't the Nikolai Dante strips in 1067-1069 have been collected?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 June, 2021, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: davidbishop on 27 June, 2021, 04:54:43 PM
Haven't the Nikolai Dante strips in 1067-1069 have been collected?

Well spotted. On double checking over the Dante data I find there's a single missing line and it's The Gentleman Thief which covers 1067-1070. Will have to double check the other series to make sure there's nothing else missing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 01 July, 2021, 10:05:26 AM
Got a bit excited/concerned for my bookcases when I saw the collection had increased to 170 issues on Facebook this morning, only to realise it was 2000AD accidentally posting about the Marvel collection. Looks like the post has been removed now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2021, 10:16:44 AM
I do wonder whether that original Marvel collection will ever end. Glad I didn't continue with it. Too much!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 01 July, 2021, 12:57:05 PM
Wow I thought I left it late to jump off the marvel collection and its almost doubled in size since.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2021, 01:11:42 PM
60 issues! Then a further 60. Then issue 121. Then 140. Then 170. Then 200, without warning. Then 220. Then 250. Then 280. Although I'll bet it just never stops, as long as it remains financially viable—why would it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 01 July, 2021, 04:25:41 PM
jumped at 80 (marvel relaunch).
they called me.
why are you leaving?
you keep extending this.
and what's wrong with that?
i live in a one bedroom flat.
oh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2021, 04:39:36 PM
I'd really like to get an idea of what the 2000 AD collection will have from 112–140 (as in, a full list, not guesswork). They declined to offer that on Facebook, sadly. As it stands, I'm loving this first extension, but eyeing the next one with a combination of suspicion and indifference. (Boo Cook's art looks very nice, but the confirmed strips—bar one or two—are either ones I already own in perfectly nice collections or ones I don't care for.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 01 July, 2021, 10:20:22 PM
So what is the extension details?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2021, 10:39:19 PM
Natural spine break at 111 but extending to 140 books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 02 July, 2021, 12:11:31 PM
Is 140 the absolute end?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 July, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Ha
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2021, 12:18:34 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 02 July, 2021, 12:11:31 PM
Is 140 the absolute end?
I suspect the following is true at any given potential end point of these collections:

Is the collection still profitable*?

If yes: "Good news, everyone! We've extended the collection by [10–50] books!"
If no: Collection quietly ends as advertised prior to the extension.

* And, possibly, is it viable to continue? In some cases, there simply won't be any reasonable means to add further issues, such as when the Doctor Who one ran out of years to cover. The Dredd one was starting to run out of material towards the end. 2000 AD? Hard to know what would be left that's objectively good to publish after 140 volumes, since the imprint doesn't have the sheer output of, say, Marvel.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: MumboJimbo on 02 July, 2021, 12:47:14 PM
It can't end yet - we haven't had Moonrunners.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 02 July, 2021, 12:57:44 PM
Two books which I'd like to see completed before the end are 'The Order' and 'Stickleback' - neither of which I think are scheduled for the first 140. A real shame if they are not included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 July, 2021, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 02 July, 2021, 12:57:44 PM
Two books which I'd like to see completed before the end are 'The Order' and 'Stickleback' - neither of which I think are scheduled for the first 140. A real shame if they are not included.

Kingdom, too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 02 July, 2021, 01:32:29 PM
Quote from: MumboJimbo on 02 July, 2021, 12:47:14 PM
It can't end yet - we haven't had Moonrunners.

"2000ad - The Nadir collection"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 July, 2021, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 02 July, 2021, 01:32:29 PM
"2000ad - The Nadir collection"

And that's exactly why I think it'll end at 140. Even the second extension has just the merest whiff of struggling to find enough A-grade material.

You could have a few 'sequel' books as already stated (Stickleback, et al); a nice complete book of Survival Geeks; certainly a bit more Dredd/Dreddworld (Lawless, Machine Law/Guatemala) and... what else? Armoured Gideon? Skip Tracer...? There just won't be that much left that's reasonably long, reasonably complete and, you know, good.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2021, 02:20:11 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 02 July, 2021, 01:47:04 PMEven the second extension has just the merest whiff of struggling to find enough A-grade material.
I think that's being quite kind. There's a lot of stuff incoming that's, objectively, not a patch on what we've had so far.

But, yeah, finishing off a couple of series—or at least bringing them to logical end points (such as Kingdom [spoiler]when Gene naffs off into the woods[/spoiler]) would be great to see. More Lawless would be good, but might set people's teeth on edge being split between the Dredd collection and this one. Mind you, it looks like we're getting more Devlin Waugh, so...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 July, 2021, 03:29:46 PM
Gag, of all the Dreddworld stuff we get more Devlin Waugh, I wasn't a fan of the first lot at all. I'd rather we get Black Atlantic than that tosh.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2021, 03:33:07 PM
Not 100% confirmed, note, but it sure looks like his arm on Boo's pencils for the extension spine art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 06 July, 2021, 12:29:18 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 July, 2021, 12:18:34 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 02 July, 2021, 12:11:31 PM
Is 140 the absolute end?
I suspect the following is true at any given potential end point of these collections:

Is the collection still profitable*?

If yes: "Good news, everyone! We've extended the collection by [10–50] books!"
If no: Collection quietly ends as advertised prior to the extension.

* And, possibly, is it viable to continue? In some cases, there simply won't be any reasonable means to add further issues, such as when the Doctor Who one ran out of years to cover. The Dredd one was starting to run out of material towards the end. 2000 AD? Hard to know what would be left that's objectively good to publish after 140 volumes, since the imprint doesn't have the sheer output of, say, Marvel.

The Star Trek graphic novel collection went to 140 had enough material for 20 more issues but sales were not good so it didn't get an extension

The Transformers G1 collection got an extension of 20 issues but it turns out they didn't have enough material, some things they didn't have the right to publish, and they scrapped the barrel just to make it to 100.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 06 July, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
Apropos of nothing in particular, Tharg needs to lock the Chris Weston droid in a room and not let him out until he's written and drawn his new Indigo Prime story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 09 July, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
Just had latest delivery
99 Indigo Prine vol 2 and 100 The VCs vol 2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 July, 2021, 01:50:15 PM
Mine also.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 July, 2021, 04:18:12 PM
Not for financial reasons but I'm seriously wondering whether to go on as the collection is largely totally unknown to me at this point and I'd like to have an idea what is coming.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 July, 2021, 04:34:58 PM
As in, past 111? I'm the same, but then we're five months off of that point right now. I'd hope we'll see a books list prior to that point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 July, 2021, 08:43:12 PM
Picked up my copy of VC's volume 2, I didn't open it till I got home and I can't say I'm thrilled with the condition.  Two dings on the top cover, two on the bottom and two sizeable ones on the spine.  The normal tight seal was a loose fitting piece of clear wrap.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 July, 2021, 08:12:32 PM
Actually, I've decided to let Smiths know that I want a replacement, six dings on the cover is not on, Hachette really need a kick in the ass for their delivery.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 July, 2021, 08:53:49 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 July, 2021, 04:34:58 PM
As in, past 111? I'm the same, but then we're five months off of that point right now. I'd hope we'll see a books list prior to that point.

Just checked back int the FB group in the vague hope there might be some more info on the post 111 books.

Quote
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
We have some awesome stories lined up for you including Finn, Sinister Dexter, Strontium Dogs, ABC Warriors, Brass Sun, Black Hawk, The Mean Arena, and Revere.

Tom Evans
What about Armoured Gideon?? PLEASE!!

2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hey,
Unfortunately we're unable to publish a list of any other issues yet.
Apologies for any inconveniences caused!

Don't think that tells us anything we didn't already know sadly.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 July, 2021, 08:56:19 AM
Quote from: sintec on 16 July, 2021, 08:53:49 AM

Just checked back int the FB group in the vague hope there might be some more info on the post 111 books.

Quote
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
We have some awesome stories lined up for you including Finn, Sinister Dexter, Strontium Dogs, ABC Warriors, Brass Sun, Black Hawk, The Mean Arena, and Revere.

Tom Evans
What about Armoured Gideon?? PLEASE!!

2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hey,
Unfortunately we're unable to publish a list of any other issues yet.
Apologies for any inconveniences caused!

Don't think that tells us anything we didn't already know sadly.

My pleas for nothing :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2021, 10:53:33 AM
More like:

QuoteWe have some awesome stories lined up for you including Brass Sun and Revere, some divisive/mediocre stories like Sinister Dexter, Strontium Dogs, yet more bloody ABC Warriors, and Black Hawk, and we're for some reason reprinting the problematic Finn and so we hope no-one digs too deeply into that one.

Cherry picking after 111, I think, unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 July, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
I was going to ask how many Dredd books we're getting in the 2nd extension. Given their responses to the earlier questions I suspect the web team don't actually have a list of what's going to be in there though so seems a bit pointless. Just want to avoid buying trades of things that will end up being reprinted in the UC. Guess I'll just keep stalling on those purchases for now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 16 July, 2021, 01:19:56 PM
If they've reached the stage of reprinting Finn then I can't see any justification for continuing past 140 - seems that will definitely be the end, unless they can do 5-10 volumes collecting stuff that's run in the Prog/Megazine since the UC started.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2021, 03:20:53 PM
There's a shouty vocal minority desperate for Finn. God knows why. The tropes it uses are... not good. It's not like it'll even please Mills: he's been banging on a about a Finn reprint forever, but will presumably complain that this one won't make him any money.

But, yeah, it does feel like 1–80 was all the classics and a few other good bits and bobs, 81–111 was most of the remaining quality (shifting in some cases into more obscure territory), and so 112 onwards is going to be a mixed bag. Possibly even a mixed back without a big stompy robot yelling annihilate!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 16 July, 2021, 05:58:49 PM
I have poor memories of Finn in the prog, and may have audibly groaned on the announcement of its inclusion here. I suspect this will be a case of read once then leave on the shelf to make up the spine image, as per Red Razors.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 July, 2021, 06:05:52 PM
Never heard of Finn, what is it, and why is it so bad.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 16 July, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
Bit of an odd piece of work IIRC, spun out of Crisis and one of the Third World War characters.  Full of Mills' favourite axes ... lizard people running the world, masonic sects, pagan warriors, fascist police, corrupt politicians ... Then it goes full on mental ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 16 July, 2021, 08:39:50 PM
The first two books of Finn were pretty good. The art was fantastic, and I wish we'd seen more from whoever that was. Later stories were not so good. The first two were reprinted in the Megazine floppies a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 16 July, 2021, 08:46:40 PM
Alternatively... Finn was absolutely fantastic and completely, solely, responsible for keeping me involved in the prog when it was collapsing around my ears with every issue. Yes, this was because I was young and very into paganism, and so the strip was absolutely made for me (and, I think, a significant proportion of the readership at the time). And yes, it is the most Pat Mills of Pat Mills strips- but if you are as fond of Pat Mills' writing  as I am, and indeed as fond of your younger self as I am, despite now being old and not at all interested in paganism (and that, despite being now married to a witch), it's still a frequently hilarious and always angry action strip, with the best/ worst of nineties comic excesses and the most incredible visuals. Finn's mask alone is a thing of ugly beauty. It's mad, and I love it.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 July, 2021, 09:02:26 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 16 July, 2021, 05:58:49 PM
I suspect this will be a case of read once then leave on the shelf to make up the spine image, as per Red Razors.

I didn't even manage read once with that dross. Gave up after the first story and skipped to the Samizdat Squad stuff which was at least coherent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 17 July, 2021, 01:01:12 PM
There's a reason why the second series of Red Razors was rejected by the Megazine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 July, 2021, 02:49:07 PM
The danger, I feel, is in the 2000 AD UC 'degrading' in the manner the Judge Dredd one suffered throughout. Objectively, you could have dropped a dozen books from the Dredd collection and it would have only made things better. That they're cheap books for what you get (HC 200+ page volumes for a tenner!) doesn't excuse things when a volume's end to end crud, and the essay at the back essentially has creators and others saying what you just read was a crock of shit.

The 2000 AD UC has been a much more even collection in that regard, with very little cruft. I personally could have done with less of some series that outstayed their welcome (Robo-Hunter and Sláine could have had chunks cut out of them, for example), but people like complete runs. I get that. So looking through that initial 80 volumes, there's little I'd remove when thinking more widely about the greater readership.

For me, that ramped up even further with the first extension. Sure, I'd happily boot Greysuit into the sea, but everything else so far has at worst been very good, and at best has included some of the finest strips to grace the pages of 2000 AD. but what happens from 112–140 may well be a marked shift. I guess we'll see once the full set is announced—assuming it ever is. (Hachette might not bother and keep everyone guessing.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 July, 2021, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: sintec on 17 July, 2021, 09:02:26 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 16 July, 2021, 05:58:49 PM
I suspect this will be a case of read once then leave on the shelf to make up the spine image, as per Red Razors.

I didn't even manage read once with that dross. Gave up after the first story and skipped to the Samizdat Squad stuff which was at least coherent.

My favourite Red Razors fact, for those who don't know - Nigel Dobbyn hated the strip so much that he deliberatley sabotaged the final page of artwork. The script called for a kid finding the dead Razor's discarded badge and holding it defiantly aloft at the foot of the Kremlin, inspired to rebellion by his fallen hero. Dobbyn instead drew the kid tossing it away in disgust.

The fact that nobody in editorial noticed, or cared enough to ask him to re-draw it, says everything you need to know.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 17 July, 2021, 06:24:09 PM
Not the first time that Millar thought it was cool to end a story with a big "up yours!" to... well, everyone... and not the last time either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 July, 2021, 12:03:56 AM
I must admit that I'm starting to be concerned with the quality of some of the things that are starting to appear and that some of the ones stuff that should be in it has no sign of appearing.  I'm in favour of older stuff as well, but I still think Black Atlantic not being present is a major omission.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 July, 2021, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 18 July, 2021, 12:03:56 AM
I must admit that I'm starting to be concerned with the quality of some of the things that are starting to appear and that some of the ones stuff that should be in it has no sign of appearing.  I'm in favour of older stuff as well, but I still think Black Atlantic not being present is a major omission.

Rest of this year looks pretty solid imo. Looking forwards to pretty much all of the remaining titles in the run to 111.

101 - The Red Seas Vol 4
102 - Mercy Heights
103 - Absalom
104 - Brink Vol 2
105 - The Order
106 - Grey Area Vol 2
107 - Defoe Vol 2
108 - Tales of Telguuth
109 - Tyranny Rex
110 - Judge Dredd: the Small House
111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men

But yeah it'd be nice to have a bit more of an idea what's coming in 2022. From the FB post and spine reveal I think we've put together ~18 books which is ~60% of the run. That leaves ~11 unknown volumes to fill and I think it's a safe bet at least one of those will be some kind of Dredd volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 July, 2021, 07:03:21 PM
I'll be honest, I don't even know what a good chunk of that stuff is, as it was beyond the era of 2000ad that I read, obviously barring continuations of material thats already been in the collection like Red Seas.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 22 July, 2021, 10:10:48 AM
You can now order up to issue 111 on Forbidden Planet, for those wishing to avoid the standard subscription / cherrypick.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 24 July, 2021, 06:17:15 PM
One potential idea that they could do is volumes collecting strips from certain years say have Volume 1983 or Volume 1990 etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 26 July, 2021, 09:18:03 AM
Anyone had Red Seas volume 4? It's been advertised on the back on the last couple of progs, but it's not up on Hachette's website yet (or Forbidden Planet). It'd be maddening to miss it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robprosser on 26 July, 2021, 11:59:13 AM
I picked one up on ebay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 July, 2021, 02:02:59 PM
99/100 arrived with subs just over a couple of weeks back. So I imagine 101/102 will rock up towards the end of next week for them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Zenith 666 on 26 July, 2021, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 26 July, 2021, 09:18:03 AM
Anyone had Red Seas volume 4? It's been advertised on the back on the last couple of progs, but it's not up on Hachette's website yet (or Forbidden Planet). It'd be maddening to miss it.

Turned up on store shelves a few days late here in Ireland.Hachette have been spotty at best when it comes to delivering to store or subs.2000Ad might have been better handling distribution themselves.The gulf in professionalism between the Two companies is staggering.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 August, 2021, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 26 July, 2021, 09:18:03 AM
Anyone had Red Seas volume 4? It's been advertised on the back on the last couple of progs, but it's not up on Hachette's website yet (or Forbidden Planet). It'd be maddening to miss it.
In case you've missed it, now on the hachette site (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/judge-dredd-the-small-house/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 02 August, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
I picked one up off ebay in the end, as the 3rd Red Seas volume went OOP very fast (although it then came back in print)
I see Mercy Heights is up next, if that's in the Ultimate Collection I look forward to a hardback Night Zero collection!*



* I actually would like this
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2021, 01:15:13 PM
Yeah, Mercy Heights is an odd one. I'll give it a go but recall it being a bit of a damp squib at the time and not as compelling as Medivac. The bit I liked best from the MH arc was when Tor Cyan went off on his tod. That I'd have rather liked collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 02 August, 2021, 03:43:58 PM
Tor Cyan was collected in the floppies with Megs 316-318.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2021, 04:06:36 PM
I meant in HC in this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 August, 2021, 05:06:19 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2021, 04:06:36 PM
I meant in HC in this collection.

It's not impossible. Mercy Heights is 199 pages, so there's some room for some Tor Cyan (and Tor Cyan is surely more than half the appeal of collecting Mercy Heights)!

The Kev Walker TC material is 48 pages; the Jock material is 36. The Colin Wilson stuff is unrelated to anything else, so that's an easy ommission. Jock's not listed on the cover though (and you've got to think surely they would include him if they could!) so... who knows?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 August, 2021, 05:14:50 PM
There's always the possibility of TC solo stuff in the extension extension I guess. Possibly combined with The War Machine?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 August, 2021, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 02 August, 2021, 05:06:19 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2021, 04:06:36 PM
I meant in HC in this collection.

It's not impossible. Mercy Heights is 199 pages, so there's some room for some Tor Cyan (and Tor Cyan is surely more than half the appeal of collecting Mercy Heights)!

The Kev Walker TC material is 48 pages; the Jock material is 36. The Colin Wilson stuff is unrelated to anything else, so that's an easy ommission. Jock's not listed on the cover though (and you've got to think surely they would include him if they could!) so... who knows?

Think our biggest volumes have been around the 260 pages of strip mark so that'd be our largest volume so far by some margin. It does feel like Tor Cyan is a strong contender for bulking out War Machine in the 2nd extension though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 August, 2021, 06:55:06 PM
I forgot War Machine was confirmed for the collection. Yes, it makes sense that Tor Cyan could be collected there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 August, 2021, 07:01:02 PM
the book does look fairly chunky on the back page of the prog so who knows
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2021, 07:31:20 PM
War Machine + Tor Cyan would be a definite cherry pick. War Machine + Fr1day stories... less so.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 02 August, 2021, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 02 August, 2021, 06:55:06 PM
I forgot War Machine was confirmed for the collection. Yes, it makes sense that Tor Cyan could be collected there.

Particularly with the Tor Cyan/Rogue crossover story drawn by Dave Gibbons for [original] Prog 2000!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 03 August, 2021, 11:04:38 AM
Don't forget to add in some of the Friday stories from the specials - some written by John Smith and some illustrated by Chris Weston.

I'd actually quite like a volume with some of the other Friday stories - Ron Smith's colour art was awesome. But I would fully understand the ultimate collection not having a single page written by Michael Fleisher.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 04 August, 2021, 11:34:56 AM
Mercy Heights contains:

Book 1
Dead of Winter
Book 2
Remembrance Day
Blue Murder
Crucible
Refugee
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2021, 12:14:17 PM
So some, but not all of, Tor Cyan. Odd. A pity they couldn't fit in the other bits—we're missing, what, six episodes?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 August, 2021, 12:16:56 PM
Well there's an end to the speculation! That's brilliant, all the Kev Walker stories. Such a shame not to be able to finish his adventures with the Jock stories, but the KW stuff is what I was really hoping for.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 04 August, 2021, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2021, 12:14:17 PM
So some, but not all of, Tor Cyan. Odd. A pity they couldn't fit in the other bits—we're missing, what, six episodes?

Bout a half dozen episodes each of Colin Wilson / Jock.

Shame not to close it out with the Rahab storyline, particularly the very last page, and its callback to Remembrance Day.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2021, 01:03:25 PM
Makes me wonder what's going to be in War Machine, then. Random bits of Fr1day? *shudder*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 04 August, 2021, 03:26:46 PM
i trust there will be a complete captain klep in the extension. just for the craic. covers thicker than the content. content thicker than almost anything else in comics ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 August, 2021, 07:37:41 PM
It's a fairly chunky volume then.

For the sake of completeness I'd have preferred a fuller run in the extension. I guess the rest could still turn up there but it'd feel like an odd editorial choice to split it up like that.

The whole of The Hit arc of Rogue would fit in with War Machine. Not read it but I don't hear good things.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 11 August, 2021, 08:31:09 PM
Still no replacement for my VC's volume 2 yet, I'm starting to get concerned.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: MumboJimbo on 12 August, 2021, 11:05:06 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2021, 01:03:25 PM
Makes me wonder what's going to be in War Machine, then. Random bits of Fr1day? *shudder*


There's some lovely Ron Smith art to be had. A little stiff in places, but the colours really pop. Did he do his own colouring? The script though may just be the thinnest gruel ever served up by TMO.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 August, 2021, 11:39:59 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2021, 01:03:25 PM
Makes me wonder what's going to be in War Machine, then. Random bits of Fr1day? *shudder*

I suppose The 86ers is viable. Not great, but certainly not on the level of Fr1day - and you could get the entire run in the book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 August, 2021, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 August, 2021, 11:39:59 AM
I suppose The 86ers is viable. Not great, but certainly not on the level of Fr1day - and you could get the entire run in the book.

I liked the 86ers, but the only thing I felt was that the story seemed to come to an abrupt end as if there was more to be had.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robprosser on 19 August, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Does the Absalom book have Graduation Day in it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 19 August, 2021, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 19 August, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Does the Absalom book have Graduation Day in it?

It does, making it another series complete in the collection.

Wouldn't mind an idea of everything that's going to be in the extension extension - by my reckoning that's going to be January onwards?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robprosser on 20 August, 2021, 11:53:51 AM
Cheers!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 20 August, 2021, 12:00:51 PM
Yeah 2nd extension should begin in Jan by my reckoning too. The Hachette web team have been pretty tight-lipped about the exact contents beyond the initial list they dropped and that section of spine image. I suspect that's probably because they (the web team) have not been given a full list tbh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 August, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
Just finished Mercy Heights. Definitely the weakest book we've had for a while imo. Probably the weakest of the 1st extension so far I think. The first story was the best of the 3 but still wasn't really anything to write home about. There are some good ideas in there, the setting/concept is sound but it seemed more interested in the bigger space opera storyline than exploring that. The one off Dead of Winter was pretty atrocious; it was basically just an excuse to draw a female character in the buff and set up a "do the curtains match the drapes" gag, uh fuck the 90s. Then the 2nd long arc pretty much abandons the ER in space concept for a high stakes destruction of the galaxy by ancient alien tech story. It's serviceable enough but I didn't really care enough about any of the characters to feel like any of it really mattered. I also didn't get along with Trevor Hairsine's art on the first few episodes either which didn't really help matters. The four Tor Cyan stories at the end really showed up the earlier material. Nice little concise tales that didn't outstay their welcome. A little bit of world/character building and a conclusion and move on. Also Kev's art on these is lovely (as were his early episodes of MH).

Reading MH I couldn't help but compare it to Abnett's Grey Area. Both have a team of characters working in a dangerous environment with alien races. Grey Area takes it's time to introduce the world and the characters though. That run of short tales do so much to build the relationships between the characters and the background of the world (and the aliens) they interact with. MH just seemed to go straight in for the epic storyline - the hospital-ness is just a convenient plot hook rather than an interesting setting.

Last book of Red Seas was great though. Fantastic swashbuckling fun. Gonna have to schedule in a re-read for those at some point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 August, 2021, 10:34:21 AM
Quote from: sintec on 22 August, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
The four Tor Cyan stories at the end really showed up the earlier material. Nice little concise tales that didn't outstay their welcome. A little bit of world/character building and a conclusion and move on. Also Kev's art on these is lovely (as were his early episodes of MH).

Yeah, I'm not sure I would hang on to this book if it weren't for the Tor Cyan stories, which I love (and Kev's art is glorious). It's a real shame we didn't get the conclusion.

Like you say, half the problem is that MH jumps straight for the epic multi-part storylines without any build-up or introduction of the characters. I'm also not sure about the fact that Lilla Ferro (one of only two female characters of any note) is, variously, the love interest of Lydecker, Kintry and Cyan.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2021, 10:43:19 AM
Mercy Heights was an odd one for inclusion. Out of two 'ER in space' strips in the Prog, it's the inferior option. And it's a great pity half of the Tor Cyan strips—which are objectively great—likely won't show up now (unless they end up in War Machine).

As for the next extension, I think I'll can my sub at 111/2 unless a full list is published—and even then, I'm fairly likely to. This first extension has—mostly—been really solid. It plugged holes that needed filling (notably, Red Seas and John Smith strips) and has had few mis-steps. I suspect there will be the odd post-111 book I'll pick up, but what we know so far finds the run delving into strips I don't care for (Blunt), runs I already have HC collections for (Leviathan; Ro-Busters; Brass Sun) and stories I'll be quite happy to never read again (Finn).

I suppose the contrast here is that on seeing the 80–111 list, I was hugely excited about what we'd be getting. Firekind and Red Seas won that out for me, but some of the other stuff was great too. But I'm not getting that feeling now, and my bookshelves are essentially full. If I'm going to have to start doing 'one in, one out', I'm not giving up a great book for Finn!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 August, 2021, 11:05:21 AM
As a cherry-picker since the beginning, I'm just happy to wait and see what comes up. Looking forward to Leviathan, Cradlegrave, Ro-Busters, and (surprisingly) more Sinister Dexter* - hoping for Machine Law/Guatemala, a 2nd Stickleback, a 2nd Kingdom, maybe Armoured Gideon.



*I wasn't even going to bother with the original three S/D books originally, but I really enjoyed them. There should be material for at least two more great collections before it all starts getting a bit navel-gazing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2021, 11:25:28 AM
I've started rereading mine to see what I'd have ditched with cherry picking. It's interesting so far. I liked Ace Trucking a whole lot more than I remembered, but could happily live without Robo-Hunter. Yet had I cherry picked, I'd have likely flipped those. That said, I now paid ten quid for Greysuit, so...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 August, 2021, 12:07:12 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2021, 10:43:19 AM
And it's a great pity half of the Tor Cyan strips—which are objectively great—likely won't show up now (unless they end up in War Machine).

Yeah it will be a real shame if we only get half of the Tor Cyan strips. It feels like those were the only good argument for including Mercy Heights in the first place.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 22 August, 2021, 10:34:21 AM
I'm also not sure about the fact that Lilla Ferro (one of only two female characters of any note) is, variously, the love interest of Lydecker, Kintry and Cyan.

Yep she also gets a shower room scene (another connection point with Grey Area). Not the progs finest hour in terms of female characters.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2021, 11:25:28 AM
I've started rereading mine to see what I'd have ditched with cherry picking. It's interesting so far. I liked Ace Trucking a whole lot more than I remembered, but could happily live without Robo-Hunter. Yet had I cherry picked, I'd have likely flipped those. That said, I now paid ten quid for Greysuit, so...

I first joined the forum because I wanted to get some info on the contents of the series to try and gauge the value proposition in subscribing. Both Ace and Robo-Hunter were on my "probably junk" list so I'd have skipped them if I'd cherry-picked. I really enjoyed Ace though it's good sunday morning cartoons fun (with stunning art). On the other hand I could have lived without reading any of Robo-hunter (although the art on Verdus is great.

Tbh those 3 Robo-hunter volumes are probably the only things I'd drop from the original run. The middle of Slaine was a bit meh and tbh I didn't really get on with the first volume of Stront but in both cases I'm glad they were included so that we got (mostly) complete runs on the 2 characters. The fact we got 95% of some of these runs (Slaine, Stront, Dante) is more annoying than the inclusion of the weaker sections for me but that's clearly a ymmv kinda thing.

Greysuit and MH are the only books I'd drop from the current extension (although I'd want to find an alternative home for the Tor Cyan stuff somewhere, preferably with the rest of the run).

5 shit books out of 102 is better than I was expecting going in. But yeah I do worry the next extension is going to be a bit more hit and miss and start to drag that ratio down.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 22 August, 2021, 09:16:52 PM
Funny you say that I cherry picked Mercy Heights
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 23 August, 2021, 12:20:13 PM
I've only read about 30% of the collection so far but I am struggling with Nemesis so much. I remember really enjoying it when I was younger and now I pick up Book 3 and see that John Hinckleton is a main artist. Ugh.

Books 19 - 28 - Nemesis/ABC Warriors and then 80 odd books of Slaine. I'm going to struggle there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 August, 2021, 12:29:44 PM
I'm not up to those yet. I suspect I'm going to thoroughly enjoy Nemesis up to Gothic Empire and then get frustrated by diminishing returns. I'll like ABC Warriors through Black Hole and the initial B+W semi-reboot, but won't care for the colour strips. And then Sláine... Tomb of Terror aside, I recall that being great through Horned God, pretty variable for years, and then having a return to form during Invasions. Here's hoping, because otherwise that is going to be a horrible slog.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 23 August, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 19 August, 2021, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 19 August, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Does the Absalom book have Graduation Day in it?

It does, making it another series complete in the collection.

Does it have Sick Note, 'cos that wasn't in the Cabbalistics volume? Trying to figure out if I should hold onto the paperbacks or give them to my brother. This collection has been a godsend to him!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 25 August, 2021, 07:49:09 AM
Quote from: leethomson on 23 August, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 19 August, 2021, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 19 August, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Does the Absalom book have Graduation Day in it?

It does, making it another series complete in the collection.

Does it have Sick Note, 'cos that wasn't in the Cabbalistics volume? Trying to figure out if I should hold onto the paperbacks or give them to my brother. This collection has been a godsend to him!

Full contents of Absalom are:

Sick Leave
Dirty Postcards
Old Pals' Act
Under a False Flag
Family Snapshots
Terminal Diagnosis Books 1 & 2
Graduation Day
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 25 August, 2021, 10:26:55 AM
Fantastic!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 August, 2021, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 26 June, 2021, 07:01:21 PM
Oh that's some interesting facting there sintec. If you ever get bored - and accepting I could get off my lazy arse and do this BUT also accepting that lazy arse is VERY lazy would be great to see this data by year and see if I can tally it with with my favourite years in thrill-power.

Had some time off work so finally got around to organising the data by year. Graph includes everything up until the Absalom book (thanks for the contents list abelardsnazz).

(https://imgur.com/eucpdcL.png)

Going from this it seems the curators thinks the first golden age is 82-85 and the 2nd golden age is 2008-2012. Saying that it's worth noting that most of the rest of this first extension is going onto the right hand end of the graph. Only the Tyranny Rex and Tales Of Telguuth volumes break the trend with earlier material. Defoe, Brink, Grey Area, The Order, Dredd: Small House are all 2013 onwards. Not sure if there's enough content to get any of those years up towards the 75% line though - have to wait and see.

Also shout out to 1999 which was apparently an excellent year (helped out by the inclusion of the recent Mercy Heights volume but also Dante, Sinister Dexter: Eurocrash, Dredd: Doomsday, Devlin: Chasing Herod, Nemesis: book X)

Next time around I might try and do the different UC extensions in different colours. Feels like this one has focused a little more heavily on the newer generation of strips/writers. Would be interesting to see if that's true.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 25 August, 2021, 10:51:15 PM
1999 was definitely the peak year of my time bearing the Rosette of Sirius - everything commissioned by us, no leftover fillers, no misguided attempts at being newsworthy, just lots of killer trills and a real sense of building up to the year 2000. Lots of credit to Andy Diggle for helping drive that, obvs!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: MumboJimbo on 26 August, 2021, 09:39:32 AM
That seems to be a great time for the prog, David! In fact, mid-1998 and prog 1100 seems to be a real turning point. BLAIR-1 had been killed off in prog 1098, marking the sacrificial end of the marketing-hook stories and then by 1104 you've got a great run of Dredd, Slaine, SinDex, Dante and Mazeworld, with an amazing roster of 2000 AD talent, established and new, of Wagner, Ezquerra, Grant, Ranson, Mills, Abnett, Fraser, Robbie Morrison etc. What a time to be a reader!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 02 September, 2021, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 23 August, 2021, 12:20:13 PM
I've only read about 30% of the collection so far but I am struggling with Nemesis so much. I remember really enjoying it when I was younger and now I pick up Book 3 and see that John Hinckleton is a main artist. Ugh.

Books 19 - 28 - Nemesis/ABC Warriors and then 80 odd books of Slaine. I'm going to struggle there.

In fairness to Uncle Pat, a lot of Torquemada's vitriol is playing more realistic in the 2020s than I found it back in the late 80s. Some phrases could have easily been said by Trump. And some by Boris.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 08 September, 2021, 11:35:53 AM
New delivery.

Defoe & Grey Area

I did defer for a bit
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 September, 2021, 01:39:16 PM
Brink 2 and Absalom just showed up here. The former includes Hate Box and has an identical cover to the upcoming TPB of book four, which is out in November. So: barg.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 08 September, 2021, 09:32:04 PM
Hate Box was really, really good.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 September, 2021, 04:45:22 PM
Got a reply from Hachette's FB people re further Tor Cyan stories:

Quote
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hey Dave,
There will be no further Tor Cyan stories.
Apologies for any disappointment!

Guess that means something else will be padding out the War Machine volume
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 13 September, 2021, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: sintec on 13 September, 2021, 04:45:22 PM
Got a reply from Hachette's FB people re further Tor Cyan stories:

Quote
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hey Dave,
There will be no further Tor Cyan stories.
Apologies for any disappointment!

Guess that means something else will be padding out the War Machine volume

The 86ers or possibly some of the Steve White stuff?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 14 September, 2021, 05:54:02 PM
The Covers for issues 105 - 107 are up on the Hachette website.

The Order - 105 - https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/the-order/

Grey Area Vol.2 - 106 - https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/grey-area-volume-two/

Defoe Vol.2 - 107 - https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/defoe-volume-two/

Loving all three but in particular the covers for Defoe and The Order.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 14 September, 2021, 06:32:08 PM
How many series of The Order do you think will be in there? I already have the sadly discontinued after only one volume collection, which had series 1 & 2.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 14 September, 2021, 06:41:25 PM
272 pages in The Order volume according to the website. Worth picking up?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 14 September, 2021, 07:13:03 PM
The Order as a collection will work great. It might not be everyone's cup of tea but a very enjoyable series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 September, 2021, 09:05:35 PM
The Order is fantastic and a recent re-read as part of my ... well re-read has done nothing to dampen that view. Ignore the naysayer, shun the say nots and embrace the greatness that is The Order.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 14 September, 2021, 10:22:31 PM
I love the Order and was annoyed the original collection stopped after one volume. 272 pages must be the first four books, I guess. Think we've had five in the prog?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 14 September, 2021, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 September, 2021, 01:39:16 PM
Brink 2 and Absalom just showed up here. The former includes Hate Box and has an identical cover to the upcoming TPB of book four, which is out in November. So: barg.

I have the Brink books on order from Hachette. I've been assured they'll turn up by Friday.

Hadn't realised there was an epilogue to Absalom so I'm now faced with the prospect of triple dipping the final two thirds of the series for all of 6(?) previously unread pages!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 September, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 14 September, 2021, 10:22:31 PM
I love the Order and was annoyed the original collection stopped after one volume. 272 pages must be the first four books, I guess. Think we've had five in the prog?

First 4 books is 250 pages of strip according to Barney so that adds up about right.

Disappointing to see that Defoe is going to be one story short of the whole run. Colin MacNeil's name on the cover means we'll be getting Diehards but no mention of Stewart Kenneth Moore means no Divisor. And with just that 1 story left there's not going to be enough strip left to fill a book :( I guess they could do some mixed volumes to tie up loose ends but I'm not going to bet on it. Shame.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 September, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: sintec on 15 September, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
Disappointing to see that Defoe is going to be one story short of the whole run. Colin MacNeil's name on the cover means we'll be getting Diehards but no mention of Stewart Kenneth Moore means no Divisor. And with just that 1 story left there's not going to be enough strip left to fill a book :( I guess they could do some mixed vo8lumes to tie up loose ends but I'm not going to bet on it. Shame.

The only way to include it all would have been to have two 'trilogy' books - all the Leigh Gallagher stuff - and then the two final, longer, series in a third volume. Maybe they thought three volumes was too much real estate to take up?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 September, 2021, 11:15:57 AM
Really, the nature of partworks is they're rarely complete. We've been quite fortunate with the 2000 AD one to get as much as we have of the various series. It's a world away from the Marvel ones. (Even the Transformers one was problematic—the ordering of strips was a mess. God knows why Furman made the decisions he did regarding the 1980s stuff.)

The only one I imagine perhaps goes further is the Vertigo partwork running in Spain (https://www.salvat.com/coleccion-vertigo?sortOrder=postdate_acs&size=200).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 September, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Yeah it wasn't unexpected given the contents of the first volume. Just a shame as it would have been nice to have the whole lot under hardcover. Particualy given Pat's stepping away and which means there probably isn't going to be anymore in the prog (at least for the foreseeable future). Guess I'll just have to cross my fingers for a TPB from Rebellion at some point to get the last bit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 16 September, 2021, 11:49:23 AM
i can confirm to the shock of noone that the order does indeed contain the first four stories and two rather surprising revelations that i did not know about. the first is book six is gonna be in the prog by the end of this year and that there is the possibility of further cross pollination with other 2000ad strips beyond armoured gideon
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 16 September, 2021, 12:00:19 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 16 September, 2021, 11:49:23 AM
...and that there is the possibility of further cross pollination with other 2000ad strips beyond armoured gideon

Dry Run crossover?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 16 September, 2021, 12:28:14 PM
In all seriousness I've been promising myself a re-read of The Order for a while now and it would be foolish to miss this chance, so I've ordered this, along with the Jaegir volume after being shown up for my lack of memory on the Prog thread by GR himself.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 September, 2021, 03:40:03 PM
Good choice Barrington, the Jaegir volume is fantastic.

Just finished the most recent pair of books and those are also superb. I think Brink may be the first volume where I'd already read all of it in the Prog (started buying at 2100). Reads brilliantly in collected form and lovely to have it in a nice hardcover volume, can't wait for further series to appear in the prog. Also great to get the complete run of Absalom. I skipped Terminal Diagnosis when it ran in the prog as I didn't want to spoiler the early parts of the run for myself. Glad I did as there were plenty of twists and turns along the way. That run of single episode appearences from the end of year specials must have been somewhat infuriating when it was in the prog though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 September, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: sintec on 16 September, 2021, 03:40:03 PM
That run of single episode appearences from the end of year specials must have been somewhat infuriating when it was in the prog though.

It wasn't quite as bad as it seems in the book; the first one-off, Sick Leave, originally ran between Absalom's first and second series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 16 September, 2021, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 16 September, 2021, 11:49:23 AM
i can confirm to the shock of noone that the order does indeed contain the first four stories and two rather surprising revelations that i did not know about. the first is book six is gonna be in the prog by the end of this year

Given what's already been previewed for the next couple of months, there's not really space for an extended (10ish part) run between Prog 2250 and the end of the year, so I presume this going to start in Tharg's bumper pre-Christmas special prog?

Also, yay!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 September, 2021, 11:14:43 PM
I've been sitting on a stack of the books for a while now and just read Grey Area and quite enjoyed it but was surprised that a certain character was killed off so early.

Defoe, I'm not sure about, if this makes sense the artwork is a little too... 'chaotic' for my liking, which I realise given the setting is intentional but I'm really not too sure on this.

Starting on the last of Red Seas.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 17 September, 2021, 01:49:04 PM
Sad that there will be no complete 'The Order' or 'Defoe', but am still hoping for another 'Stickleback' volume in the next extension. Wondering also how much of what's left of 'Grey Area' will make it in?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 September, 2021, 02:44:56 PM
I reckon there should be enough space in the 2nd volume to bring us right up to date with Grey Area.

I'm with you on hoping for a 2nd Stickleback volume in the extension, would be a crying shame if we don't get that. Personally I'd have preferred to see Defoe split over 3 volumes so we could have the complete run, guess I'll just have to hope it gets a trade at some point so I can get the last bit (and probably end up double dipping for the pleasure :() Guess it'll be end up being a similar situation for The Order. I can't see them reprinting the new story scheduled to start in the xmas prog in the 2nd extension and I don't see them managing to stretch this out beyond the 140 books current scheduled.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 September, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
It'll be interesting to see whether they list the remaining books ahead of time. Not far off 111 now, are we?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 17 September, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Forgot to ask - does Defoe volume 2 include 'Frankensteiner'?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 17 September, 2021, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 September, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: sintec on 16 September, 2021, 03:40:03 PM
That run of single episode appearences from the end of year specials must have been somewhat infuriating when it was in the prog though.

It wasn't quite as bad as it seems in the book; the first one-off, Sick Leave, originally ran between Absalom's first and second series.
Don't remember if being infuriating at all. Rennie and Abnett are basically the only two current* writers who understand how to make a single episode work as both a complete story and part of the overall strip. Much preferable to get a one-off like that to keep the strip in the mind than nothing at all

*Wagner doesn't count here
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 September, 2021, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 September, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
It'll be interesting to see whether they list the remaining books ahead of time. Not far off 111 now, are we?

3 more deliveries will take use to 110. Next one after that will be the tail end of extension 1 and the beginning of extension 2. It does seem like they're determined to keep some of the 2nd extension under wraps. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. The cynic in me worries that's because they're worried people will drop out if they know what's coming.

Quote from: I, Cosh on 17 September, 2021, 03:31:54 PM
Don't remember if being infuriating at all. Rennie and Abnett are basically the only two current* writers who understand how to make a single episode work as both a complete story and part of the overall strip. Much preferable to get a one-off like that to keep the strip in the mind than nothing at all

That's fair, they did read as good self-contained episodes.

Quote from: Max Headroom on 17 September, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Forgot to ask - does Defoe volume 2 include 'Frankensteiner'?

Not sure we'll know for a few weeks yet. No way to tell from the cover as it's the same creative team as some of the other stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 September, 2021, 04:01:29 PM
We'll at least see from Forbidden Planet some of what's coming down the pipe. But with 29 books being £290, I suspect I'll drop out at 111, unless I 1) know precisely what's coming and 2) actually care about what's coming. I can always cherry pick if something tasty shows up. (Armoured Gideon! Come on!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 September, 2021, 02:03:10 PM
As I mentioned I've been stockpiling books due to not being in the mood for reading. I was looking forward to mercy heights after hearing about the premise and found it very meh. What seems like a silly complaint is having characters featured prominently on the cover yet they get bumped off quickly and seemingly without any real care. We lose a good chunk of the line up in no time

I was very disappointed with it, I feel a good idea struggling to get out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 September, 2021, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 18 September, 2021, 02:03:10 PM
a good idea struggling to get out.

I think that's the perfect summary of the Mercy Heights stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 19 September, 2021, 11:55:37 PM
I'm stuck on Nemesis Book 3. Bloody John Hinckleton. Obviously a very visceral artist, but not a style that lends itself to telling comic strip stories, IMO. Not sure if the reproduction makes it even harder to work out wtf is going on. It's not that long ago I endured it on the Stront collection.

He doesn't appear to be in Book Four though. mind you Langley qualifies for a lot of the same criticism just IN COLOUR!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 September, 2021, 11:45:57 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 19 September, 2021, 11:55:37 PM
I'm stuck on Nemesis Book 3. Bloody John Hicklenton. Obviously a very visceral artist, but not a style that lends itself to telling comic strip stories, IMO. Not sure if the reproduction makes it even harder to work out wtf is going on. It's not that long ago I endured it on the Stront collection.

It's funny, but this era of Nemesis was a lot more readable in the phonebooks - probably because Book VII was in volume 2, Book VIII in volume 3. In the Ultimate Collection all the Hicklenton material ends up together under the same covers, and it really does make it a bit of a slog to get through.

Hicklenton was a great artist and clearly a force of nature, but I don't think comics were ever the right fit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 20 September, 2021, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 September, 2021, 11:45:57 AM
It's funny, but this era of Nemesis was a lot more readable in the phonebooks - probably because Book VII was in volume 2, Book VIII in volume 3. In the Ultimate Collection all the Hicklenton material ends up together under the same covers, and it really does make it a bit of a slog to get through.

Having one book of Hinklenton after 2 from Bryan Talbot and a smattering of Kev O'Neill, then having the other one sandwiched between Roach, Flint, O'Neill and some 90s painty stuff is probably easier on the brain than Hinklenton-Roach-Hinklenton. I'd imagine the Roach stuff would get a bit lost in there?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Woolly on 20 September, 2021, 04:21:57 PM
FWIW I don't think any other Nemesis artist quite captured the sheer evil of Torquemada better than Hicklenton.
I agree his storytelling at that stage of his career is problematic, but it's worth grinding through it - some of his panels and full page splashes are going to be burned into my brain forever!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 September, 2021, 10:11:11 PM
Struggled with Indigo Prime, very much so, it just wasn't my thing.  I did read through Absalom in one go and quite enjoyed it though.  I do feel it was dragging a bit at the end though but still..
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 September, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
 There's only five volumes of the extension left - hadn't we heard by now what the full contents of the first extension would be?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 01 October, 2021, 09:27:24 AM
Finally finished Nemesis.

Any recommendations for a palate cleaner? I've already done Dante, Ace Trucking, Robohunter and Strontium Dog
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 October, 2021, 10:33:18 AM
Brink?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 October, 2021, 10:49:48 AM
D.R. & Quinch?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 01 October, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
 The Ezquerra or Kennedy Dredd volumes, or Firekind/Leatherjack.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 01 October, 2021, 03:34:52 PM
Think I read DR & Quinch. And I feel i have read Firekind recently.

So Brink. As I know next to nothing about it.

Ta.   
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 October, 2021, 04:42:07 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 30 September, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
There's only five volumes of the extension left - hadn't we heard by now what the full contents of the first extension would be?

Yeah I think so... in theory one could probably hunt back through this thread and find the date we got the list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 October, 2021, 09:06:51 AM
Have to say I'm super happy to have a nice hard bound collection of Red Seas now. Picked up the 4th and final volume from my LCS yesterday and alongside Nikolai Dante is a super thing to have coming out of the Ultimate Collection. If only one day we could get the same for Sinister Dexter... if only!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 October, 2021, 11:19:25 AM
Thought I'd check in on the UC FB page to see if there was any more info on the post 111 books. Still nothing - seems the webteam haven't been given a list so have no more idea than we do :(

There was a story list for the upcoming Dredd volume though:

QuoteMan Comes Around, Fit, Enceladus: New Life, Enceladus: Old Life, Get Sin, Act of Grud, The Fields, Fit for Purpose, The Small House, Control

So a nice chunky book of Rob Williams Dredd which collects pretty much all of the Smiley and Judge Pin storylines (unless I'm missing something?). Does make the Control volume I bought a while back a bit redundant but there's at least a couple of stories in there that haven't made either of the Hachette collections so it's not a complete waste.

A big part of the reason I'd like a list of the upcoming volumes is to try and avoid double dips. There are a few recent Dredd trades I'm holding off on buying in case they end up in the 2nd extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 October, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
Good that the Titan/Enceladus story is being wrapped up in hardcover following the Dredd collection. Possibly more Dredd in the second extension? Think I've suggested a Ron Smith volume on here before, or possibly Steve Dillon - are there enough of his Dredds left to fill a volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 October, 2021, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 02 October, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
Possibly more Dredd in the second extension? Think I've suggested a Ron Smith volume on here before, or possibly Steve Dillon - are there enough of his Dredds left to fill a volume?

I've asked on the post on FB. Given the dozens of replies to similar questions with "we can't confirm what's in the extension" I suspect I won't get any info but can't hurt to keep asking.

A Ron Smith book with the Black Atlantic stories and Question Of Judgement, Error Of Judgement and Case For Treatment would be amazing. That'd fill in several holes in the MC and I'm sure there are enough other Rob Smith tales to fill it out. I'd take that over more reprints of things that are readily available in Rebellion trades from the webshop.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2021, 08:09:57 AM
I would love to see some more of the never-reprinted stuff

The problem with that is that a lot of it has never been re-printed for a reason.

A Middenface Mcnulty volume with all of the megazine series would be amazing though.

A Robohunter volume with the Peter Hogan / Rian Hughes stuff, paired with samantha slade would be great as well. If you want to theme it on the author then Timehouse was pretty fun and that would fit.

I think what we'll actually get is more stuff that has been in the Megazine floppies, and anything that has been a digital only release in the last couple of years..

Pity - I would love some of the more obscure stuff (Mambo, brigand doom, Silo ...)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 03 October, 2021, 08:42:03 AM
Is there some sort of embargo on reprinting Alan McKenzie's stuff? Granted we've had the Luke Kirby collection from Rebellion, though that might be a case of them needing to assert ownership. Apart from that the only work of his that I recall seeing back in print is the first series of Universal Soldier which ended up in the Sci-Fi Thrillers book a few years ago.

If there's no restriction on his work, I can't understand how we haven't seen Brigand Doom show up in a floppy or the Ultimate Collection yet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 03 October, 2021, 08:46:47 AM
After Struggling with Hinckleton Nemesis for two months, I've now gone through Brink Volume One in a day.

Pretty entertaining. Artwork goes a little ropey at times, but clean storytelling.

Looking forward to Vol 2. May even give that audiobook a whirl.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 October, 2021, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2021, 08:09:57 AM
A Robohunter volume with the Peter Hogan / Rian Hughes stuff, paired with samantha slade would be great as well. If you want to theme it on the author then Timehouse was pretty fun and that would fit.

Samantha Slade is on the spine extension artwork, so I think you might get your wish!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 October, 2021, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 18 September, 2021, 02:03:10 PM
I was looking forward to mercy heights after hearing about the premise and found it very meh...
I was very disappointed with it, I feel a good idea struggling to get out.

A good few books behind now, but I finally finished Mercy Heights - and the fact it took me so long says a lot. Tor Cyan started not long after I picked up my first prog, and remains a fond favourite, so I was excited to finally read MH, but it's just... fine.

Book I is a mess. Far too much going on, for a start - our focus jumps every page or two, and it makes for a frustrating read. A news reporter, arriving on MH, is surely a natural contender to introduce us to the cast and status quo, but no, he's barely used before getting killed off. Our other candidate is Leo Kintry, who should be our audience focus as a new employee, but we  learn astonishingly little about him - he's defined solely by a one-sided and inexplicable infatuation with Lilla Ferro. And there's another problem - one of only two female characters, she exists solely to be a love interest. Kintry, Lydecker and Cyan all get involved with her at various times, which would be less than ideal even if there was anything more to her (there isn't). And the less said about Alan Craddock's colours...

Things are improving by Book II; Craddock is replaced by Blythe, and Trevor Hairsine is a great fit. Neil Google is improving massively. The newsreaders are a great touch, pre-empting by a few years a very similar long-running Futurama joke (just a shame we don't get enough of this Starship Troopers-style satire). Things are slowly heading in the right direction, then, but the same problems ultimately sink it - straight into the wannabe epic space-opera storyline, before we've gotten to know the characters well enough to care.

Thank God, then, for the Tor Cyan stories. It's like Tomlinson is a different writer by this point. He's finally trusting the art to do the heavy lifting during action sequences, without cramming every panel with caption boxes. The Demeter VI trilogy of stories are every bit as good as I thought they were at the age of 16. It's taught, pacy, punchy stuff that (unlike MH) doesn't outstay its welcome. Such a pity, then, that we don't get the conclusion to Cyan's story, which featured some lovely callbacks to Rogue Trooper, Cinnabar, and the earlier Remembrance Day story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 October, 2021, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2021, 08:09:57 AMA Robohunter volume with the Peter Hogan / Rian Hughes stuff, paired with samantha slade would be great as well.
Well, the first half would be. Samantha Slade was pretty iffy and was unceremoniously canned when Gibson got fed up with it. That it's in the extension doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. (I don't recall much about Timehouse, so I've no idea how that would read today. But I do like Hogan's writing in general, so might give it a whirl if I can dig out the back issues.)

The one we still haven't had confirmed in any manner is Armoured Gideon, the first series of which of course recently got a digital-only release. If that's not in this extension yet Samantha Slade is, I just don't even.

Quote from: The Corinthian on 03 October, 2021, 08:42:03 AMIs there some sort of embargo on reprinting Alan McKenzie's stuff?
Aside from most of his work being terrible, he seems to be the main ownership wrangle person. Still, as you said, Luke Kirby's back in print, so who knows? Brigand Doom was OK—great art, but it never really went anywhere. Might be floppy fodder, but I'm not sure it's "charge me a tenner for it in book form" fodder.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 October, 2021, 10:32:13 AM
Introducing Tor Cyan feels like the only good argument for including Mercy Heights so it really is a crying shame we're only get a few episodes of his story.

It does seem like most of the recent digital only titles are making their way into the UC so I think there's a pretty strong chance Armoured Gideon is going to be one of the unannounced titles. Also wouldn't be surprised if we get a 2nd volume of Flesh with Midnight Cowboys, Badlanders and Gorehead. I do wish they'd confirm/deny some of this speculation though
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 October, 2021, 10:35:47 AM
Depends whether it's in their interests to give people advance warning, or just 'surprise' them every couple of months. But this is 29 extra books that'll take up a chunk of space and cost £290. We knew in advance how great this first extension would be, so it wasn't a gamble. I... don't like gambling.

And, yeah, missing the end of Tor Cyan, which was objectively far better than Mercy Heights, was a blow. I really wish they'd twinned Tor Cyan with War Machine and then bunged in a few additional 'alt Rogue' stories to pad out that volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 October, 2021, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: sintec on 03 October, 2021, 10:32:13 AM
Introducing Tor Cyan feels like the only good argument for including Mercy Heights so it really is a crying shame we're only get a few episodes of his story.

There's not a doubt in my mind that without Tor Cyan, Mercy Heights would never have justified a book. Check out the floppies that came with Megazines 317 and 318 for the resolution to Cyan's story.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 October, 2021, 10:35:47 AM
...I really wish they'd twinned Tor Cyan with War Machine and then bunged in a few additional 'alt Rogue' stories to pad out that volume.

That would have been a cool book. There's really nothing you lose from Cyan's story by not reading Mercy Heights. 'Used to be a med-shuttle pilot' is literally all you need to know. Ah well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 04 October, 2021, 04:57:29 AM
The cover for 109 Tyranny Rex is up at the hachette site. The credits list is just the artists from the prog issues, but the page count gives me hope we'll get the special stories too.

Missed opportunity on the cover - we could have had this masterpiece
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=BO2K109&Comic=reprints

Hopefully it appears somewhere inside the book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 04 October, 2021, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 04 October, 2021, 04:57:29 AM
The cover for 109 Tyranny Rex is up at the hachette site. The credits list is just the artists from the prog issues, but the page count gives me hope we'll get the special stories too.

Missed opportunity on the cover - we could have had this masterpiece
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=BO2K109&Comic=reprints

Hopefully it appears somewhere inside the book.

Real shame! It was always going to be the one they chose, sadly. I expect that Will Simpson artwork was never photographed well enough.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 04 October, 2021, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 04 October, 2021, 04:57:29 AM
The cover for 109 Tyranny Rex is up at the hachette site. The credits list is just the artists from the prog issues, but the page count gives me hope we'll get the special stories too.

The page count is more than enough to cover all the special strips and makes me wonder if they might squeeze the text stories in as well.

QuoteMissed opportunity on the cover - we could have had this masterpiece
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=BO2K109&Comic=reprints

Hopefully it appears somewhere inside the book.

That's a great cover and does so much more to convey the feeling of the stories than the one they've gone for, which is technically fine but makes the book look like breezy action adventure rather than something mainly about a) suppurating, corruptible flesh and b) nuns.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 04 October, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 04 October, 2021, 01:12:06 PM
That's a great cover and does so much more to convey the feeling of the stories than the one they've gone for, which is technically fine but makes the book look like breezy action adventure rather than something mainly about a) suppurating, corruptible flesh and b) nuns.


Entirely agree. There are plenty of in-his-prime Paul Marshall images that could have been used as well.

Having the one-offs from the specials and the text stories would elevate this particular collection to essential.
I wouldn't mind all that much if the (weak) story from the 2018 Sci-Fi special was omitted though.
Keep it pure Smith.

Regardless, it's a sweet cherry-pick for the casual Ultimate Collection reader.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 04 October, 2021, 02:07:48 PM
I have just received my copy of 'Grey Area' volume 2 and the first things to say are that it looks good, is quite a large volume and contains everything thus far in print. Looking forward to reading this! One minor query I have is that one of the stories - 'Shoot To Kill' - I can find no record of. In the book it is listed as being in Prog 2122, but I am pretty sure that issue features a different tale and I can find no mention of 'Shoot To Kill' in Barney's listing of all the Grey Area stories. Does anyone know where this mysterious 5-pager first originated??
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 October, 2021, 02:20:59 PM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 04 October, 2021, 01:12:06 PM
[The cover] is technically fine but makes the book look like breezy action adventure rather than something mainly about a) suppurating, corruptible flesh and b) nuns.

It is an image by the same artist as drew her final series, so you can hardly fault it for misrepresentation!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 04 October, 2021, 02:34:05 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 04 October, 2021, 02:07:48 PM
I have just received my copy of 'Grey Area' volume 2 and the first things to say are that it looks good, is quite a large volume and contains everything thus far in print. Looking forward to reading this! One minor query I have is that one of the stories - 'Shoot To Kill' - I can find no record of. In the book it is listed as being in Prog 2122, but I am pretty sure that issue features a different tale and I can find no mention of 'Shoot To Kill' in Barney's listing of all the Grey Area stories. Does anyone know where this mysterious 5-pager first originated??
Looks like it's a mistake on Barney. The story from Prog 2118 is missing and the titles of the next four are all moved forward a week. Will try to fix it a bit later.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 04 October, 2021, 04:27:13 PM
I've just finished The Order. It's a strip I've always liked, but sometimes struggled to keep up with. Having now read it all in one go in the UC, I'm delighted to find that it does actually make sense (sort of!) and is a cracking tale.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 October, 2021, 12:28:25 PM
Got a reply to my question about how many more Dredd books in the extension.

QuoteUnfortunately, we don't have any information regarding any further Judge Dredd volumes in the collection.

Not really a surprise it's clear the webteam haven't been given a list of upcoming books and probably have less idea what's coming than we've been able to piece together from the spine art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 October, 2021, 02:16:43 PM
105/106 subs copies just arrived. That Grey Area volume is... chunky.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 06 October, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
This collection continues to show up the other partworks for page counts. I've just quit the Batman one at #100 as their books went up to £11.99 recently and they average 150 pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 October, 2021, 05:30:22 PM
The Marvel one was the same. Many of those had five US issues. This one averages well north of 200 pages per book—solid value for a tenner (and that then irks less when something rocks up I dislike).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 October, 2021, 12:22:57 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 October, 2021, 05:30:22 PM
The Marvel one was the same. Many of those had five US issues. This one averages well north of 200 pages per book—solid value for a tenner (and that then irks less when something rocks up I dislike).

Going by my records I think we're averaging 199.7 pages of strip per book for the UC (MC was pretty much the same). So yeah once you add in the text pages and credits pages its well over 200 pages per book on average.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 07 October, 2021, 12:27:03 PM
Hachette recently launched a DC collection and it's incredible how their volumes are a tenner, contain on average 7-9 issues and feel real high quality. The Eaglemoss series is £12, feel cheap in comparison and you're lucky if you get 6 issues per volume.

The only thing Eaglemoss have over the Hachette books are the golden/silver age reprints but even then they make up for it with the essays at the back.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 October, 2021, 01:00:38 PM
I've cherrypicked some Eaglemoss to get some specific Batman in low-cost HC. (I don't care about the character enough to buy deluxes.) But otherwise... yeah.

That said, Hachette has sometimes suffered in terms of production. A few books in the Dredd one were dodgy, and the entire classic Marvel Transformers run had major problems (largely though the US content being sourced from IDW, who did the cheapest possible clean-up that looked automated). The 2000 AD run has, from the books I've so far read, been mostly solid though. (I had a couple of faint pages in the first Red Seas, but not to the point I wanted to swap the book.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 07 October, 2021, 02:10:02 PM
Yeah that's true. When they did mess up, it could be a nightmare to get replacements. Haven't got the Legend Of Batman series but the general DC series is riddled with errors. Nothing significant with the strips themselves (except for some reason JLA Year One had some background text in german) but little annoying things like the book contents on the back being wrong, incorrect publication dates. Nothing worth getting a replacement for but still makes it all feel cheaper
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 October, 2021, 03:50:01 PM
Hachette has, to my mind, at least been very good about replacements. Major design blunders were mostly rectified by new print runs. (Those spines, eh?) Poor condition on arrival was the same, notably during bigbaggate. The Facebook lot have broadly been solid on that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 October, 2021, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 07 October, 2021, 02:10:02 PM
Yeah that's true. When they did mess up, it could be a nightmare to get replacements. Haven't got the Legend Of Batman series but the general DC series is riddled with errors. Nothing significant with the strips themselves (except for some reason JLA Year One had some background text in german) but little annoying things like the book contents on the back being wrong, incorrect publication dates. Nothing worth getting a replacement for but still makes it all feel cheaper
There's one page in the LOB edition of Knightfall that is garbled. I have tried on multiple occasions to get Eaglemoss to fix it but no luck. About five copies have been sent my way and all the same.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 07 October, 2021, 04:39:32 PM
the eaglemoss star trek graphic novel collection was so good. suddenly switching from fortnightly to weekly wasn't really acceptable, though. and falling just a few volumes short of publishing *everything* seems to have been as frustrating to the editors as it was to the collectors. the complete gold key reprint was an absolute treat, however.
my only real gripe with hachette is the much-mentioned failure to let us know what's coming up soon ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 October, 2021, 05:07:41 PM
I suppose it depends whether it's in their interest to inform us.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 07 October, 2021, 05:19:25 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 07 October, 2021, 04:33:53 PM
There's one page in the LOB edition of Knightfall that is garbled. I have tried on multiple occasions to get Eaglemoss to fix it but no luck. About five copies have been sent my way and all the same.

Hopefully not the page where Bane breaks Brucies back.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 07 October, 2021, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 07 October, 2021, 04:39:32 PM
the eaglemoss star trek graphic novel collection was so good. ... the complete gold key reprint was an absolute treat, however.

I looked at the Star Trek collection.  You're right, it's fairly complete, covering the old Gold Key, Marvel, DC and TV21 stuff. 

I didn't think the Gold Key stuff was complete though.  IIRC even what was originally planned was quite a few issues short. 

IDW's reprints didn't quite cover the whole run either.  Nice editions though, although some daft prices now being asked.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 07 October, 2021, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 October, 2021, 05:07:41 PM
I suppose it depends whether it's in their interest to inform us.

surely fomenting reader/collector excitement would be in a publisher's interests? *especially* in the comics world (the addiction to previews and other basically trade rags for example)?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 07 October, 2021, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 07 October, 2021, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 October, 2021, 05:07:41 PM
I suppose it depends whether it's in their interest to inform us.

surely fomenting reader/collector excitement would be in a publisher's interests? *especially* in the comics world (the addiction to previews and other basically trade rags for example)?
More chat and speculation generated by not telling you everything.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 11 October, 2021, 07:54:48 PM
As Armoured Gideon appears in The Order, surely it's a must for his own stories to be in the second extension?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 October, 2021, 04:59:23 PM
I'm still not thrilled that we have no idea on forthcoming issues, this might be a tactic that will backfire on Hachette as people getting short on space might not be willing to gamble on getting something they might like.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 October, 2021, 05:07:28 PM
It's also worth noting that you need to provide 28 days' notice to cancel your subscription—although when I complained about something once on Facebook, my subscription was instantly stopped. So who knows?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 October, 2021, 06:05:50 PM
So far you've always been able to see the next 3-4 books on the Hachette website so I guess you've always got roughly 28 days notice of what's coming next
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 October, 2021, 10:45:02 AM
Really enjoying The Red Seas. It reads so much better in collected form and has far more momentum. It just zips along. A pity it never took when Rebellion had a go itself in print, although that original HC format was... ambitious—you'd have needed 12 volumes in all!

Anyway, good call there by Matt Smith to put this in the extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 14 October, 2021, 08:51:42 PM
I must agree with Indigo - 'The Red Seas' really was excellent. Ian Edginton is a most accomplished scribe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 14 October, 2021, 11:19:04 PM
really happy to have cherry-picked some complete runs - abc, dante, slaine, brink - and to have missed out some more tedious 'thrills'. hoping for extension editions of blackhawk and disaster (the former has my favourite ever comics art, the latter is the best kind of super serious nonsense from that era).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 October, 2021, 12:08:42 AM
Got to wonder what some people at Oxfam are smoking with this sort of pricing

https://onlineshop.oxfam.org.uk/2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-nikolai-dante-volume-one/product/HD_200370264?pscid=ps_ggl_OOS+-+Smart+Shopping+-+Books+-+Prospecting+-+2021_Ad+group&crm_event_code=20REUWWS08&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqp-LBhDQARIsAO0a6aJm5rceHS4Z6Us8ZPsAvOoQaw-xuFp1Os_mw8-BMyQeVygPoLuB6FoaAgrxEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

I am curious myself at the extension.  Is there any stuff we can definitely exclude?  I guess anything with a licence like Dan Dare and Stainless Steel Rat for instance, not to mention that both of those have been released fairly recently.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 October, 2021, 08:57:15 AM
There's lots of 'possibles' to plug the unknown gaps, but very few clues to go on. Armoured Gideon would fit in one very lovely chunky book; Scarlet Traces would make for a great couple of volumes; Survival Geeks seems like a notable omission thus far; a Dredd Machine Law/Gautemala volume would be lovely.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 15 October, 2021, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 14 October, 2021, 08:51:42 PM
I must agree with Indigo - 'The Red Seas' really was excellent. Ian Edginton is a most accomplished scribe.

It's a series I quite enjoyed (going as far as to purchase a page from Steve 'Owl), but never re-read after the initial Prog run, and I will admit it is already beginning to fade from my mind.
I've missed the boat on some of the UC cherry picks now alas.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 October, 2021, 09:47:39 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 15 October, 2021, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 14 October, 2021, 08:51:42 PM
I must agree with Indigo - 'The Red Seas' really was excellent. Ian Edginton is a most accomplished scribe.
I've missed the boat on some of the UC cherry picks now alas.

Check put the Hachette site, Link, loads of the books are currently back in stock.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 15 October, 2021, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 October, 2021, 09:47:39 AM
Check put the Hachette site, Link, loads of the books are currently back in stock.

Would you believe I was doing that just recently Jimbo, but unfortunately they are no longer delivering to Ireland.

I think I'll check with the lads in Big Bang Comics if they could place a back-issue order on my behalf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 October, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 14 October, 2021, 11:19:04 PM
hoping for extension editions of blackhawk and disaster (the former has my favourite ever comics art, the latter is the best kind of super serious nonsense from that era).

Blackhawk has already been confirmed so you'll definitely be have one of your two wishes.

armoured Gideon and Survival Geeks are both on my speculation list. Isn't the first book of Scarlet Traces creator owned? I grabbed the trades on those grounds as I thought it made it an unlikely include but could be wrong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 15 October, 2021, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: sintec on 15 October, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
Isn't the first book of Scarlet Traces creator owned? I grabbed the trades on those grounds as I thought it made it an unlikely include but could be wrong.

IST(vaguely)R Ian saying that he and D'israeli sold Scarlet Traces to Rebellion. I would imagine that included the previous volumes and not just future ones, but I don't know for certain.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 October, 2021, 11:06:37 AM
The original press about it made no mention of anything being left out. It was about the series being brought in-house and Rebellion republishing it along with commissioning new stories. So it would certainly be viable for this collection. In HC, that might finally prompt me to move on from the gorgeous Dark Horse hardcovers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 15 October, 2021, 11:14:38 AM
Wonder if we could get the last two arcs of Savage in a book paired up with Disaster 1990 for the sake of completion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 October, 2021, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 15 October, 2021, 11:14:38 AM
Wonder if we could get the last two arcs of Savage in a book paired up with Disaster 1990 for the sake of completion.

I asked a while back (around when we got vol3) if we'd get more Savage and was told no.  But given the webteam don't seem to have much info about what will be included I'm not sure how definitive that actually is.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 October, 2021, 06:30:46 PM
Don't know what the lead-in time is for this kind of thing but will issue 112 have gone to the printers yet? Someone somewhere must know as its due before Christmas? Is it going to be Bradley?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 October, 2021, 08:14:15 PM
Oh I'm certain someone knows the full run - they're just not telling.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 October, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
I tweeted @ 2000AD but they said it was on Hachette when to release the list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 October, 2021, 02:47:38 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 15 October, 2021, 11:14:38 AM
Wonder if we could get the last two arcs of Savage in a book paired up with Disaster 1990 for the sake of completion.

I'd welcome that, I've got Disaster 1990 on floppy thanks to someone on this site, but more Savage is always good.  I was surprised at one thing in The Guv'nor, when he teleported the Siberian Tiger into the Volgan Generals tank and came away with the quip "I put a tiger in his tank", I wondered how many knew the origins of that line.  I remember as a kid in the 70's having some of the Esso posters with the tiger and that phrase.

Disaster was silly but in fun turn your brain off way, although it's main fault was that it seemed to suddenly stop as if the writers had been told "You've got a week or two then this is ending", and that was it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 16 October, 2021, 03:34:39 AM
Finishing Savage would be awesome if they manage it.
There are 29 books to fill in the extension..

I think we'll get
1 Ro-busters volume (2000 ad stuff only)
1 ABC warriors volume (the three "return to" stories)
1 BlackHawk
1 Revere / Cradlegrave
1 Mean team / mean arena
2 Sinister Dexters (the stuff that was in megazine floppies)
1 Deadworld
1 Finn
1 extra Slaine ?
1 Armoured Gideon
1 War Machine (paired with random Friday one-offs)
1 Leviathan
1 Devlin Waugh (post John smith stuff)
2 Strontium Dogs / Durham Red / Tales Doghouse
1 Samantha Slade (maybe with Hogan Hughes robo hunter)
2 Dredds (could be anything, probably machine law)
1 Harry 20

And then I run out of ideas

I know I'd love some of the rubbish from when I was reading back in the 90s, but I doubt Tharg agrees..



Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 16 October, 2021, 07:23:52 AM
They confirmed brass sun

Confirmed in the Facebook page last year

Due to popular demand, we're excited to confirm that 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection will now continue to 140 issues. There will be a natural break in the spine art issue 111, but if you choose to continue collecting we have some awesome stories lined up for you including Finn, Sinister Dexter, Strontium Dogs, ABC Warriors, Brass Sun, Black Hawk, The Mean Arena, and Revere.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 October, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 16 October, 2021, 03:34:39 AM
There are 29 books to fill in the extension..

I think we'll get
1 Ro-busters volume (2000 ad stuff only)
1 ABC warriors volume (the three "return to" stories)
1 BlackHawk
1 Revere / Cradlegrave
1 Mean team / mean arena
2 Sinister Dexters
1 Deadworld
1 Finn
1 extra Slaine ?
1 Armoured Gideon
1 War Machine (paired with random Friday one-offs)
1 Leviathan
1 Devlin Waugh (post John smith stuff)
2 Strontium Dogs / Durham Red / Tales Doghouse
1 Samantha Slade (maybe with Hogan Hughes robo hunter)
2 Dredds (could be anything, probably machine law)
1 Harry 20

That's a great list. Some amendments from me - there are four uncollected ABC Warriors series, so that's 2 books; there's easily enough material for at least x3 Sinister/Dexter books; and I think I'm right in saying there's less Strontium Dogs stuff than you think, so it could all fit in one book.

So...

1 Ro-busters volume (2000 ad stuff only)
2 ABC warriors volumes (the three "return to" stories and Fallout)
1 BlackHawk
1 Revere / Cradlegrave
1 Mean team / mean arena
3 Sinister Dexters(?)
1 Deadworld
1 Finn
1 extra Slaine ?
1 Armoured Gideon
1 War Machine (paired with random Friday one-offs)
1 Leviathan (Needs pairing with something else, though)
1 Devlin Waugh (post John smith stuff)
1 Strontium Dogs / Tales from the Doghouse
1 Durham Red - Scarlet Apocrypha, Island of the Damned, Nobody-wants-this-job Job
1 Samantha Slade (maybe with Hogan Hughes robo hunter)
2 Dredds (could be anything, probably machine law)
1 Harry 20
2 Brass Sun
1 Survival Geeks
2 Scarlet Traces
1 Blunt
1 Kingdom (completing the series)
1 Stickleback (completing the series)
1 Savage/ Disaster 1990 (completing the series)


Which I think takes us to 31 of 29 books...!  :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 October, 2021, 11:23:15 AM
It's all speculation at this stage, but it'd be odd for a publisher to start getting completist about Sin/Dex now, given that the original run cherry picked. Might also be worth us splitting lists between what we know is coming and what we'd like to see. Those are very different things!

As for existing books, I finished reading The Red Seas last night and it's just great. I always thought it was fine in the Progs, but in collected form it's superb and has propelled it towards the top of my favourite 2000 AD strips list. Top stuff.

The only downside is reading the extras at the back and seeing just how much Edginton stuff is in limbo. Brass Sun has been on hold since 2018. Is it done? Is it coming back? It'd be horrible for that to become another Helium—although Helium at least felt broadly self contained. Brass Sun just stops, like a season of great telly that got unceremoniously axed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 October, 2021, 12:03:35 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 October, 2021, 11:23:15 AM
The only downside is reading the extras at the back and seeing just how much Edginton stuff is in limbo. Brass Sun has been on hold since 2018. Is it done? Is it coming back? It'd be horrible for that to become another Helium—although Helium at least felt broadly self contained. Brass Sun just stops, like a season of great telly that got unceremoniously axed.

Take heart from what happened with Stickleback, I suppose - wasn't that something like a seven-year gap between books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 16 October, 2021, 01:45:01 PM
I suspect Revere and Cradlegrave will end up as two volumes, paired with Slaughterbowl and A Love Like Blood respectively.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 October, 2021, 02:06:27 PM
According to Barney there's 348 pages of Mean Arena so I think that's going to have to be 2 volumes.

Similarly there's 321 pages of Finn so that'll either be an incomplete run or 2 books (only the first 2 books were reprinted in the floppies implying it's diminishing returns from there but that's only 120 pages so a bit slim).

There might be enough space to squeeze all the remaining ABCs plus Robusters in 2 volumes:
Vol 7 - Return to Earth/Mars/Ro-busters = 74+79+83 = 236
Vol 8 - Fallout + Robusters (orient express/terra-meks/ro-jaws and hammerstein) = 86+12+27+78 = 203
Could potentially swap Return to Robusters and Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein over to split the Ro-busters material over the 2 books.

Following Indigo Primes advice I've split the list up.

Things that were mentioned by name (11-16 books):
1-2 Finn
1-3 Sinister Dexter
1-2 Strontium Dogs / Durham Red
2-3 ABC Warriors/Robusters
2 Brass Sun
1 Blackhawk
2 Mean Arena
1 Revere/Cradlegrave (possibly also Slaughterbowl as it's recently had a digital release and would just fit)

Speculation based on spine spine art (5):
1 Blunt
1 War Machine/Fr1day
1 Sam Slade
1 Devlin Waugh (post Smith)
1 Leviathan (plus some combination of Helium/Detonator X/Interceptor/American Gothic/Stone Island)

My speculative list (8-12):
1 Survival Geeks
1 Armoured Gideon
1 Flesh (Midnight Cowboys, Badlanders, Gorehead)
1-2 Dredd
1 Stickleback
1-2 Deadworld
0 or 2 Zenith (it's the biggest name strip we've not had but I'm not convinced it'll appear)
1 Tharg's 3rillers (Mechastopheles, Infestinauts + some others)
1 Scarlet Traces (you've convinced me this is possible and Scarlet Traces-Home Front is 247 pages of strip which is a thick book but we've had bigger)

Total = 24-33

Things I'd really like to see but suspect we won't get:
Kingdom - with only 2 stories left there's just not enough for a book
Savage - FB page replied (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2909340409394272) to say no plans for more savage in the collection
Peter Milligan collection including The Dead
Defoe - one story short of a full run which is a shame
Tor Cyan - FB page replied  (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/2980293558965623)to say no plans for more

Things I don't think we'll get because they don't fit nicely into the format:
Harlem Heroes - the stories just don't fit nicely into ~180-200 page volumes and we're already getting future sports in the form of Mean Arena
Luke Kirby - it's just slightly too long for all of it in 1 book

Things I'd really prefer not to see
Skip Tracer - no one needs this in hardcover
M.A.C.H 1 - it'd need 2 books and having read some digitally it's really not aged well
Bec & Krawl - got digital in the Humble Bundle and it's a bit meh
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 16 October, 2021, 04:56:16 PM
er (wolfie smith?)
surely an anthology collection of rude, pointed horror from the early years would be really ace? including wolfie. but also, at a stretch, silo?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 October, 2021, 05:04:45 PM
It's curious to see that list in black and white. I've loved 90% of the extension. It's stronger than the original run and that was better than the Dredd books. But of the books confirmed by name, I only care about Revere. (Brass Sun is great, but I have the Rebellion HC.) Of the spine art ones, Leviathan might be a pick depending on what's included, and maybe War Machine and Devlin. Beyond that, I'd buy Armoured Gideon and any series completions, but, yeah, I think I'm out as of 111. Although getting that across to Hachette without them instantly cancelling my sub might be tricky.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 16 October, 2021, 07:03:06 PM
Please mighty Tharg put 'Disaster 1990' in Hardback! More Bill Savage pretty please. Really enjoying rereading it all
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 October, 2021, 08:21:26 PM
The Edginton and Smith stuff is definitely the pick of the things that have been announced and/or spotted on the spine art. Not looking forward to Sam Slade at all, the robo-hunter books are among my least favourite books in the run so far so I don't have high hopes for that. I'm hoping they keep the ABCs stuff to 2 books and Finn to 1 as that'd leave more room for other stuff. I think I'll probably stick with it but it's definitely not as strong as the recent run.

Really enjoyed The Order. Like several other recent volumes it was great to get the backstory having dropped in part way through when I started buying the Prog. It definitely reads much better collected than it does serialised. Hope Tharg continues the trades so I can get books 5 and 6 at some point even if they will be in a different format.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 17 October, 2021, 08:12:22 PM
Revere. Ugh. Did not enjoy that at all first time round.

The good thing is with me taking a three month sabbatical is that I'll be able to see more clearly what's up ahead in this extension extension.

I'm assuming the ownership situation rules ur any Harry Exton stuff?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 October, 2021, 10:45:37 AM
Tales of Telguuth is a great-looking book. Primarily it's a showcase for some great fantasy artists, but the stories are enormous fun - knowingly pulpy and purple of prose, the format is almost never varied, but Steve Moore makes that something of a strength. They have a weird rhythm all their own that's a lot of fun if you can get into the spirit of things - 'Did you really think, Yabakrom Daak, that you could truly best the infernal Snertix?'

I'd forgotten how much I like these. You couldn't read too many in one sitting, but a nice volume to dip in and out of when you've got 15 mins spare.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 27 October, 2021, 01:41:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 27 October, 2021, 10:45:37 AM
Tales of Telguuth is a great-looking book. Primarily it's a showcase for some great fantasy artists, but the stories are enormous fun - knowingly pulpy and purple of prose, the format is almost never varied, but Steve Moore makes that something of a strength. They have a weird rhythm all their own that's a lot of fun if you can get into the spirit of things - 'Did you really think, Yabakrom Daak, that you could truly best the infernal Snertix?'

I'd forgotten how much I like these. You couldn't read too many in one sitting, but a nice volume to dip in and out of when you've got 15 mins spare.

Was humming and hawing about that cherry-pick, but you've just made a sale for Hachette.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 October, 2021, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 17 October, 2021, 08:12:22 PM
I'm assuming the ownership situation rules ur any Harry Exton stuff?

yeah I'm pretty sure it was stated a while back that there wouldn't be any creator owned stuff. So no Button Man or Mazeworld.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 04 November, 2021, 10:56:03 PM
Covers for The Small House (264 pages!), Strontium Dog Repo Man and Strontium Dogs are up on the Hachette site!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 04 November, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
Interesting.
We're definitely getting Island of the Damned, which is nice.
Does anyone have idea what the story John Wagner is credited for in this volume will be?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 November, 2021, 08:19:03 AM
With Garth Ennis listed I guess we're getting some of Monsters, Return Of The Gronk, How The Gronk Got His Heartses. No idea what the Wagner credit will be for.

Also note that this is Strontium Dogs vol1 implying the existence of a vol2. Although I think most of us speculating had a vol of Durham Red stories and a vol of Strontium Dogs while this mixes looks set to mix the two up. From the blurb it sounds like it'll be a mix of Durham and Feral tales. January's delivery will be very dog heavy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 November, 2021, 08:45:34 AM
Just looked through Funt's wonderful A-Z and I can't see anything by Wagner in the Dogverse that we haven't already had.

Maybe we're just going to get drip-fed the issue previews this way, much speculation ahoy if so.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2021, 09:13:56 AM
Gareth Ennis and Caarlos Esquerra sounds like knock-off 2000 AD droids.

As for the book, the credits look odd. Simon Harrison only did one Dogs, scripted by Peter Hogan. Monsters was Ennis/Pugh, who I would have assumed would have made the cover. I imagine we'll be getting that and Island of the Damned, along with a few other bits. Honestly, I wish they'd gone for a Durham Red book, with 'Island' and the recent reboot. Alas.

On Wagner, who knows? I don't recall anything having been missed—bar the Starlord stuff. But wasn't that off-limits to this collection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 05 November, 2021, 09:55:45 AM
We might get "The Tax Dodge", and maybe "A Sorry Case" which have both been skipped but I would have expected them in the Repo Men Volume, not in a Strontium Dogs Volume ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 November, 2021, 01:04:28 PM
There was an Ennis/Harrison Feral story, Dead Man's Hand, in one of the Yearbooks. Also wondering whether By Private Contract from the 40th anniversary prog could be the Wagner inclusion?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2021, 01:30:42 PM
Good catches. That Feral story was in the 1993 special and is actually pretty good. By Private Contract... I'm less enamoured by, but it's OK. 12 pages there. Another 5 for the Feral story. Island of the Damned is 62. Monsters is 60. So that'd still leave another 60+ pages of strip. (Perhaps Matt wants to punish us and has included Return of the Gronk as well.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 05 November, 2021, 04:36:52 PM
Hasn't the cover to Repo-Men already been used for Volume 9?  (Answer, yes it has)

I know that Vol 9 was pretty poorly distributed, but that's no excuse!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2021, 05:19:32 PM
Good grief. I just went to the Hachette site and that Marvel series that started in 2012 is still going—issue 254(!) has just come out.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 November, 2021, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 05 November, 2021, 01:30:42 PM
So that'd still leave another 60+ pages of strip. (Perhaps Matt wants to punish us and has included Return of the Gronk as well.)

He could punish us more by reprinting The Nobody-wants-this-job Job, and the cover suggests that's what's going to happen.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 November, 2021, 06:46:35 PM
Cover plus both writer and artist are on the credits. Seems a likely guess for inclusion. Is it that bad?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 November, 2021, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: sintec on 05 November, 2021, 06:46:35 PM
Cover plus both writer and artist are on the credits. Seems a likely guess for inclusion. Is it that bad?

No, it's... fine. But not much more than that. Maybe the blandest story Red's ever appeared in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 05 November, 2021, 07:39:32 PM
Are you including the Blackpool story in that equation?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 05 November, 2021, 08:34:00 PM
If we're getting completionist in the Strontium dog universe then I'd love to see a Middenface McNulty volume.

Maybe they've decided to just reveal the remaining volumes as they publish them.

Still no list ....

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 November, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
I'm guessing Strontium Dogs Vol 2 is going to be a Peter Hogan volume with a mix of his Durham Red and Strontium Dogs stories. With this first book as basically the non-Hogan Red and SDs tales from that era.

Does look like the recent Worley era Red might not make the collection. Hopefully Rebellion will do a trade covering that stuff at some point if it doesn't.

Quote from: Hackenbush on 05 November, 2021, 08:34:00 PM
If we're getting completionist in the Strontium dog universe then I'd love to see a Middenface McNulty volume.

<looks at Barney>... all of Middenface's solo appearances in the Meg would fit in a single Hachette volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 06 November, 2021, 12:20:30 AM
One day Wun Man an' his Dug will be reprinted!

[Hopefully.]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 06 November, 2021, 05:00:26 AM
how did brit cit babes get reprinted TWICE and wan man and his dug has never had one?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 06 November, 2021, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 06 November, 2021, 05:00:26 AM
how did brit cit babes get reprinted TWICE and wan man and his dug has never had one?

One had a Bolland cover, one didn't?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 06 November, 2021, 05:54:06 PM
i mean i wish that wasn't the reason but that totally was the reason
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 06 November, 2021, 11:30:42 PM
The Bolland cover explains why Brit-Cit Babes gets reprinted. I've never understood why the Middenface that ran alongside it has never been back in print again, unless it relates to the original printing films. The colouring was done on blue lines in a very specific style, unlike anything else. Perhaps there is a reproduction issue that prevents the Middenface from being re-run?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 07 November, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: sintec on 05 November, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
<looks at Barney>... all of Middenface's solo appearances in the Meg would fit in a single Hachette volume.

Have we had any Meg content in this range? Not really been paying attention
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 07 November, 2021, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 07 November, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: sintec on 05 November, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
<looks at Barney>... all of Middenface's solo appearances in the Meg would fit in a single Hachette volume.

Have we had any Meg content in this range? Not really been paying attention

A handful of stories: a Future Shock in Shakara volume 1, some Cam Kennedy Dredds, and Dominion & Torture Garden.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 November, 2021, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 07 November, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Have we had any Meg content in this range? Not really been paying attention

A little.

Released:
Vol 1: The Art Of Kenny Who?
Who? Dares Wins
Blackout
Beyond Our Kenny

Vol 57: Shakara
Future Shock - Multiplicity

Vol 92: Fiends of The Eastern Front
Stalingrad

vol95: Dominion
Dominion
Torture Garden

Upcoming confirmed:
vol 94: The Small House
The Man Comes Around

Upcoming specultion:
Vol ?: Blunt
Blunt 1-3

vol ? Post Smith Devlin Waugh

I see abelardsnazz beat me to the reply - I've made the list now though so...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 07 November, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
Thanks guys. How did Shakara end up in the Meg? & Fiends for that matter?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 07 November, 2021, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 07 November, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
Thanks guys. How did Shakara end up in the Meg? & Fiends for that matter?
Shakara didn't. It's just a Future Shock to fill out the page count.

Fiends was supposed to be in the Prog but then got repackaged for the Meg due to scheduling conflicts or something.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 07 November, 2021, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 07 November, 2021, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 07 November, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
Thanks guys. How did Shakara end up in the Meg? & Fiends for that matter?
Shakara didn't. It's just a Future Shock to fill out the page count.

Fiends was supposed to be in the Prog but then got repackaged for the Meg due to scheduling conflicts or something.

Fiends: Stalingrad was always intended for the Meg, commissioned by Alan Barnes as six episodes of eight pages each. When Matt took charge of the Meg, he asked for the scripts to be rewritten as eight episodes of six pages each, so they were.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 07 November, 2021, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 07 November, 2021, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 07 November, 2021, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 07 November, 2021, 06:51:50 PM
Thanks guys. How did Shakara end up in the Meg? & Fiends for that matter?
Shakara didn't. It's just a Future Shock to fill out the page count.

Fiends was supposed to be in the Prog but then got repackaged for the Meg due to scheduling conflicts or something.
Fiends: Stalingrad was always intended for the Meg, commissioned by Alan Barnes as six episodes of eight pages each. When Matt took charge of the Meg, he asked for the scripts to be rewritten as eight episodes of six pages each, so they were.
Ah, sorry. I remembered the part about it getting resized and, apparently, made everything else up!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 08 November, 2021, 11:44:11 AM
Just received the Tyranny Rex volume and it's a lovely book. Contains all the mainline stories from 'Tyranny Rex' (Progs 566-568) through to The Comeback (Progs 1395-1399), including the Sci-Fi Special story from 1988 (titled 'Playing God' here), 'Systems of Romance' from the 1989 Sci-Fi Special and 'Bitter Fruit from the 1994 Yearbook.

Alas it doesn't include the 3 text stories from the late '80s early '90s specials/yearbooks, the Steve Sampson drawn tale from the 1989 Winter Special, or the recent Katy Rex written tale from the 2018 Sci-Fi special. I think only one of the text stories is at all connected to the main narrative though.

Really pleased to see this stuff collected though. Deus Ex Machina is one of the highlights of the '90s for me. Up there with John Smith's best work.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 08 November, 2021, 12:25:52 PM
Quote from: credo on 08 November, 2021, 11:44:11 AM
Alas it doesn't include the 3 text stories from the late '80s early '90s specials/yearbooks

Not entirely surprised that the Mark Buckingham-illustrated "Touched by the Hand of Brendan" hasn't been reprinted, given that it featured mildly scurrilous and barely disguised versions of Grant Morrison and Mark Millar. :-)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 November, 2021, 12:57:43 PM
So we're, what, one and a half collections from the end now? Under Hachette's terms, you have around a month to tell them if you want to end with 112. I'm not surprised we're not getting a list of what's coming up, but it is a pity. (I guess it wouldn't typically happen with a periodical and I'm not sure it's happened with other partworks, but it did with this one last time.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moogie101 on 08 November, 2021, 02:25:51 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 November, 2021, 12:57:43 PM
So we're, what, one and a half collections from the end now? Under Hachette's terms, you have around a month to tell them if you want to end with 112. I'm not surprised we're not getting a list of what's coming up, but it is a pity. (I guess it wouldn't typically happen with a periodical and I'm not sure it's happened with other partworks, but it did with this one last time.)

The Batman Collection has been extended twice so far and neither time has there been a list of upcoming books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 November, 2021, 02:49:43 PM
That's Eaglemoss though. Still, I imagine we just got lucky last time with this one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 08 November, 2021, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: credo on 08 November, 2021, 11:44:11 AM
Alas it doesn't include the 3 text stories from the late '80s early '90s specials/yearbooks, the Steve Sampson drawn tale from the 1989 Winter Special, or the recent Katy Rex written tale from the 2018 Sci-Fi special.

The missing text stories doesn't come as a surprise but the strip omissions are a bit disappointing. The Winter Special one is only 6 pages - would it have killed them to squeeze it in?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 November, 2021, 07:59:12 PM
That opening double page spread in Defoe - The Damned.... wow. Top work from the Gallagher droid there. Indeed the opening dozen pages of this story are very strong work from both Gallagher and Mills.

Still a bit disappointed this wasn't split over 3 slightly similar volumes so they could include the final story. Meh - will just have to hope Rebellion eventually do a trade with it in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 11 November, 2021, 05:48:07 PM
anyone know why we not getting Defoe in its entirety? Really love this series and these hardbacks have been amazing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 12 November, 2021, 08:03:57 PM
I honestly think at this point that the original revealing of the contents of the extension may have been an accident
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 November, 2021, 08:13:19 PM
Quite possibly. Then again, perhaps the company thought it would be beneficial. Hard to say.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 November, 2021, 09:55:44 PM
Quote from: sintec on 10 November, 2021, 07:59:12 PM
Still a bit disappointed [Defoe] wasn't split over 3 slightly similar volumes so they could include the final story. Meh - will just have to hope Rebellion eventually do a trade with it in.

Sadly, I think that ship has sailed. Before the UC, Books 5 and 6 had only ever managed to get a Meg floppy, and Book 7 had never been reprinted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 November, 2021, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 November, 2021, 09:55:44 PM
Sadly, I think that ship has sailed. Before the UC, Books 5 and 6 had only ever managed to get a Meg floppy, and Book 7 had never been reprinted.

Much as I hate to agree the choice to stick 5 & 6 in floppy does tend to indicate that they had no intention of continuing the run of trades :( Which is shame as the art in that final story was stunning stuff.

Quote from: Michael Knight on 11 November, 2021, 05:48:07 PM
anyone know why we not getting Defoe in its entirety? Really love this series and these hardbacks have been amazing.

I guess someone decided that there wasn't space to spread it over 3 books which inevitably meant skipping the end due to lack of space. I mean we could get a book of mixed Mills endings in the next extension there's the final Slaine story and this final Defoe. I'm not going to hold my breath though I suspect we won't be seeing either of those.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 November, 2021, 11:32:17 AM
Did Defoe actually end or did it just stop? I can't remember.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 13 November, 2021, 11:52:11 AM
It just stopped
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 November, 2021, 07:33:32 AM
all of pats strips kind of just stopped towards the end of his time in 2000ad for obvious reasons
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 November, 2021, 07:38:34 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 14 November, 2021, 07:33:32 AM
all of pats strips kind of just stopped towards the end of his time in 2000ad for obvious reasons

He has at least talked about coming back to finish some. Whether he ever does is entirely open to debate. In at least one case it'll be a shame if he doesn't... well probably...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 14 November, 2021, 09:19:04 AM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 08 November, 2021, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: credo on 08 November, 2021, 11:44:11 AM
Alas it doesn't include the 3 text stories from the late '80s early '90s specials/yearbooks, the Steve Sampson drawn tale from the 1989 Winter Special, or the recent Katy Rex written tale from the 2018 Sci-Fi special.

The missing text stories doesn't come as a surprise but the strip omissions are a bit disappointing. The Winter Special one is only 6 pages - would it have killed them to squeeze it in?

Have now seen a copy. The omissions are still perplexing, but not as perplexing as them sticking a couple of panels of 'Don't Forget to Blast Your Cache' in the text section as if to advertise that it's not a complete volume. (Did they even notice that there was a missing Smith strip as well?)

But... if it's not quite definitive it's great to have Tyranny Rex finally collected in book form. I really doubt Rebellion would publish a trade edition so it's still very welcome to have this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 14 November, 2021, 02:55:06 PM
Really enjoyed the Tyranny volume, Deus Ex Machina in particular. Good that both extensions have done justice to John Smith's non-Dredd related output.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 November, 2021, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 08 November, 2021, 11:44:11 AM
Have now seen a copy. The omissions are still perplexing, but not as perplexing as them sticking a couple of panels of 'Don't Forget to Blast Your Cache' in the text section as if to advertise that it's not a complete volume.

Don't Forget to Blast Your Cache would have made it an actively worse volume. I'm so glad they didn't include it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 15 November, 2021, 12:54:44 AM
Maybe they can sneak in the missing Steve Sampson illustrated story in whatever volume gets Revere in the next lot.
And Pretty Please! throw in Danzigs Inferno
I love that story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 15 November, 2021, 05:44:07 PM
The Strange Case of the Wyndham Demon would be nice too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 22 November, 2021, 10:28:56 AM
Hachette have covers for 113 Cradlegrave and 114 Sinister Dexter 4
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2021, 10:40:11 AM
Cradlegrave has Frazer Irving, Simon Davis and Ian Edginton. So what else is going in there?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 November, 2021, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2021, 10:40:11 AM
Cradlegrave has Frazer Irving, Simon Davis and Ian Edginton. So what else is going in there?

Survivor Type - is the only story written by Smith and drawn by Davis.  So maybe that.
A Love Like Blood - seems the obvious guess for an Irving drawn Smith tale.

For the Edginton credit my guess is Stone Island. Davis was the artist on both stories and it'd be a good body horror combo with Cradlegrave.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 22 November, 2021, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2021, 10:40:11 AM
Cradlegrave has Frazer Irving, Simon Davis and Ian Edginton. So what else is going in there?

Could be Love Like Blood with Frazer Irving listed. Stone Island for Edginton and Davis (as there's only a single Dredd listed for Smith and Davis together).

That'd be a nice collection of varied work. 214 pages in total (Hachette has the volume listed as 232, so that's about right).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 22 November, 2021, 11:40:55 AM
Quote from: credo on 22 November, 2021, 11:11:21 AM
That'd be a nice collection of varied work. 214 pages in total (Hachette has the volume listed as 232, so that's about right).

A nice dark cherry pick for 2022.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 22 November, 2021, 12:17:17 PM
Love like Blood would be one.  Another might be Necronauts?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 November, 2021, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 22 November, 2021, 12:17:17 PM
Another might be Necronauts?

That's Rennie & Irving rather and we've not got a credit for Rennie so I suspect not.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 23 November, 2021, 09:19:53 PM
A Love Like Blood is probably my least favourite Smith series from 2000AD proper so I don't see myself upgrading from the Cradlegrave trade paperback for this one. I'm still on board for Revere though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 24 November, 2021, 08:26:54 AM
So if Cradlegrave won't include Revere, which seems to be the case, what else will be in the Revere volume? As far as I can tell the only other John Smith series that hasn't been reprinted so far is Slaughter Bowl, so maybe that and one-off Dredds, Rogues, Future Shocks and, as has been suggested, Danzig's Inferno?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 24 November, 2021, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 24 November, 2021, 08:26:54 AM
So if Cradlegrave won't include Revere, which seems to be the case, what else will be in the Revere volume? As far as I can tell the only other John Smith series that hasn't been reprinted so far is Slaughter Bowl, so maybe that and one-off Dredds, Rogues, Future Shocks and, as has been suggested, Danzig's Inferno?
Knowing my luck we'll get that volume filled up with Bradley instead.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 November, 2021, 08:36:37 AM
Danzig's weirdness would be a good match for Revere. I'm struggling to think of anything else that would be. Maybe The Dead from a stylistic standpoint (if very much not an art one), but we've heard nothing about that being included in the collection (alas).

Quote from: Hackenbush on 24 November, 2021, 08:35:17 AMKnowing my luck we'll get that volume filled up with Bradley instead.
Urgh. I do hope Bradley doesn't go anywhere near the UC. The character wasn't great at the time, but it's also so of its time, what with all the goth references. "Oh look, it's another of the writer's favourite bands getting a cameo. Perhaps his alter ego will then get to review their records at some point as well."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 November, 2021, 08:39:10 AM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 23 November, 2021, 09:19:53 PM
A Love Like Blood is probably my least favourite Smith series from 2000AD proper

Great art, great concept. Unfortunately hamstrung by an edict from The Powers That Be than no series could run more than ten(?) episodes for a single story,* due to a reprint deal in the offing with a European publisher who had a specific page count for their books. The deal never materialised, and the edict was withdrawn, but not before it had forced some very truncated storytelling on both this and (I think) Storming Heaven.

*Note: this edict was not Andy Diggle's famous "shot glass of rocket fuel" memo, which is regularly blamed for the LLB/SH thing, but something entirely different.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 24 November, 2021, 09:02:51 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 24 November, 2021, 08:39:10 AM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 23 November, 2021, 09:19:53 PM
A Love Like Blood is probably my least favourite Smith series from 2000AD proper

Great art, great concept.

Possibly but it's the most conventional and high concept thing Smith's ever done and his least idiosyncratic.

QuoteUnfortunately hamstrung by an edict from The Powers That Be than no series could run more than ten(?) episodes for a single story,* due to a reprint deal in the offing with a European publisher who had a specific page count for their books. The deal never materialised, and the edict was withdrawn, but not before it had forced some very truncated storytelling on both this and (I think) Storming Heaven.

*Note: this edict was not Andy Diggle's famous "shot glass of rocket fuel" memo, which is regularly blamed for the LLB/SH thing, but something entirely different.

I think it's this more than anything that made me a bit dubious about Rebellion's first couple of years at the helm. There was probably less resurrecting old classics than it seemed at the time but 2000AD seemed to be struggling to get anything new and exciting off the ground. Necronauts and the first series of Shakara were probably hobbled by this as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 25 November, 2021, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 November, 2021, 08:36:37 AM
Maybe The Dead from a stylistic standpoint (if very much not an art one), but we've heard nothing about that being included in the collection (alas).

I want a Peter Milligan scripted one-offs volume:
The Dead
Shadows
Freaks
Tribal Memories
Counterfeit Girl

Also -is there anything that would pair with Bix Barton?
Nothing comes to mind for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 November, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
Yeah, I said something similar back in the depths of this thread about a Milligan book. It would have been a great collection with the strips you outline, Hackenbush.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 November, 2021, 08:52:21 AM
+1 for that Peter Milligan volume. That'd be an excellent addition to the run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 25 November, 2021, 09:12:53 AM
QuoteAlso -is there anything that would pair with Bix Barton?

Now there's a challenge!
You could go for a Jim McCarthy collection, and bundle Bix with the Grudge Father and Kid Cyborg - a volume that would get precisely one buyer - me!

Or just maybe you could go for a 'Tales of English Weirdness' volume and pair up Bix Barton with other comedy stories that rely on understanding super British cultural references, from Carry On Films to Rugby and Cricket. So maybe Armoured Gideon, London Falling (not really a comedy), Time Flies (trying to be funny...), probably loads of Future Shocks.

Or on second thought, purely themnatically/stylistically, Bix Barton might pair quite nicely with Dandridge, and those two together rack up a decent page count.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 November, 2021, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 25 November, 2021, 09:12:53 AM
QuoteAlso -is there anything that would pair with Bix Barton?

Now there's a challenge!
You could go for a Jim McCarthy collection, and bundle Bix with the Grudge Father and Kid Cyborg - a volume that would get precisely one buyer - me!

Or just maybe you could go for a 'Tales of English Weirdness' volume and pair up Bix Barton with other comedy stories that rely on understanding super British cultural references, from Carry On Films to Rugby and Cricket. So maybe Armoured Gideon, London Falling (not really a comedy), Time Flies (trying to be funny...), probably loads of Future Shocks.

Or on second thought, purely themnatically/stylistically, Bix Barton might pair quite nicely with Dandridge, and those two together rack up a decent page count.

How about Dandridge?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 25 November, 2021, 10:09:20 AM
I keep hoping Shadows will be reprinted somewhere sometime. I've never laid eyes on it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 25 November, 2021, 10:38:13 AM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 25 November, 2021, 10:09:20 AM
I keep hoping Shadows will be reprinted somewhere sometime. I've never laid eyes on it.

Shadows was great.

Has Hewlligan already been in the Ultimate Collection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 November, 2021, 10:57:01 AM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 25 November, 2021, 10:09:20 AM
I keep hoping Shadows will be reprinted somewhere sometime. I've never laid eyes on it.

Its baffling its never been reprinted, its great. Surely it must have somewhere... Barney says not, which if correct is really weird?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 November, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
@credo: Hewligan was paired with Sooner or Later and included the first Zaucer of Silk and some Future Shocks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 November, 2021, 07:35:46 AM
The Small House is a cracking volume, showcasing Rob Williams' more recent work on Dredd, with a great supporting cast. The art isn't too shabby either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 30 November, 2021, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 30 November, 2021, 07:35:46 AM
The Small House is a cracking volume, showcasing Rob Williams' more recent work on Dredd, with a great supporting cast. The art isn't too shabby either.

Looking forward to receiving this. I suspect it'll make for a more satisfying read then than trying to cobble together all the bits from The Small House and Judge Pin GNs. Do we get Hershey's retirement in there too?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 November, 2021, 08:40:14 PM
No Hershey retirement, I think because Wagner wrote it and this is a Williams collection. Still the possibility of more Dredd to come though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 01 December, 2021, 12:07:05 PM
Cheers. So if if I remember correctly, Logan's in charge during the final Judge Pin story, so still a bit of a gap?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 01 December, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
 Yes, Logan is CJ in Control.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 03 December, 2021, 04:32:20 PM
Received 109 and 110 yesterday, the small house volume is huge
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 16 December, 2021, 06:17:22 PM
Has anyone gotten the Strontium Dog: Repo Men volume yet, what's in it and have they actually used the same cover twice?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 16 December, 2021, 06:35:00 PM
Got mine Tuesday from WHSmiths

They have used the same cover bizarrely - it includes the Stix Fix, Repo Men and The Son
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 16 December, 2021, 08:53:37 PM
I stopped collecting this regularly at issue 80, but I really want this Stront one! Can anyone recommend the best place to order one from on the net? Forbidden Planet?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 December, 2021, 09:33:22 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 16 December, 2021, 08:53:37 PM
I stopped collecting this regularly at issue 80, but I really want this Stront one! Can anyone recommend the best place to order one from on the net? Forbidden Planet?

Yeah while I've been cherry picking I placed an order at my comic shop and got the one's I wanted from there. When that was closed and for various reasons I also use FB, Hachette shop direct and even eBay. All seem pretty easy to get IF you get in nice an early.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: DrRocka on 16 December, 2021, 09:40:54 PM
Cheers Colin!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 December, 2021, 09:51:14 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 16 December, 2021, 06:35:00 PM
Got mine Tuesday from WHSmiths

They have used the same cover bizarrely - it includes the Stix Fix, Repo Men and The Son

I guess we're not getting 'By Private Contract' and 'Once Upon a Time in Der vest' then. Will have to grab the trade of The Son to get those then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 18 December, 2021, 04:45:32 AM
No
'The Tax Dodge; or 'A Sorry case' either

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 20 December, 2021, 08:37:19 PM
Can anyone confirm when the first run officially ends?

Is it at 110?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 20 December, 2021, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 20 December, 2021, 08:37:19 PM
Can anyone confirm when the first run officially ends?

Is it at 110?

The first run ended at 80 and the first extension ended at 111
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 21 December, 2021, 09:46:50 PM
Thanks friend!

I guess it's decision time ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 21 December, 2021, 10:32:24 PM
Quote from: Rara Avis on 21 December, 2021, 09:46:50 PM
Thanks friend!

I guess it's decision time ...

Same here I really wish they'd let us know what was coming. I'm going to stick around for the Cradlegrave book which will be some time in the future for me as I'm waiting for the Tyranny Rex and Small House books at the moment. Might cancel after that though...will see what gets announced.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 22 December, 2021, 11:53:25 AM
Strontium Dogs book 1 is volume number 114 and contains:

The Tax Dodge
The "Nobody Wants This Job" Job
Island of the Damned
Ring My Bell
Dead Man's Hand
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 December, 2021, 12:42:06 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 22 December, 2021, 11:53:25 AM
Strontium Dogs book 1 is volume number 114 and contains:

The Tax Dodge
The "Nobody Wants This Job" Job
Island of the Damned
Ring My Bell
Dead Man's Hand

Well that's one less missing Strontium Dog story then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 22 December, 2021, 07:59:47 PM
Awesome list there.

Are there any hints in the text about whether we get 2 or three Strontium Dogs volumes?

I am loving the Small House volume. It's an absolutely amazing collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2021, 08:27:49 PM
No hints about anything. Hachette support hasn't got (or won't share) the full list. Oddly, Forbidden Planet also appears to have stopped listing issues after 108, for some reason.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 22 December, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
They have cradle grave 113 and sinister dexter 114 on the forbidden planet website
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 December, 2021, 10:16:41 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 22 December, 2021, 11:53:25 AM
Strontium Dogs book 1 is volume number 114 and contains:

The Tax Dodge
The "Nobody Wants This Job" Job
Island of the Damned
Ring My Bell
Dead Man's Hand

Huh. What an odds and sods collection. What on earth is 'Ring my Bell?'
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2021, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: moly on 22 December, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
They have cradle grave 113 and sinister dexter 114 on the forbidden planet website
Huh. I couldn't find them earlier today. Odd.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 22 December, 2021, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 22 December, 2021, 10:16:41 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 22 December, 2021, 11:53:25 AM
Strontium Dogs book 1 is volume number 114 and contains:

The Tax Dodge
The "Nobody Wants This Job" Job
Island of the Damned
Ring My Bell
Dead Man's Hand

Huh. What an odds and sods collection. What on earth is 'Ring my Bell?'

The Durham Red episode from 1993 Yearbook The Golden Mile reprint called Ring My Bell for some reason?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 23 December, 2021, 12:52:36 AM

[/quote]

The Durham Red episode from 1993 Yearbook The Golden Mile reprint called Ring My Bell for some reason?
[/quote]

Yes - from Barney:

The Golden Mile (2000AD Yearbook 1993) 6 pages
Script: Alan Grant, Artist: Carlos Ezquerra
Reprinted as Ring My Bell.
Reprinted
Judge Dredd Megazine 320
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 December, 2021, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 22 December, 2021, 07:59:47 PM

Are there any hints in the text about whether we get 2 or three Strontium Dogs volumes?


The intro says that the next volume will include the Steve Pugh & Nigel Dobbyn stories, and also appears to indicate the Tales from the Doghouse won't be included. So possibly just one more.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 December, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Some end of the year/end of the extension stats:
This graph shows the % of stories printed each year that've been collected. I've broken things down by extension as well as collection as I wanted to see how the spread in the 1st UC extension compared to the initial run.
(https://imgur.com/p4llPOz.png)

I hadn't realised at the time but the extension has been largely drawn from "modern" (post 2000) progs. There's a chunk of 70s strips, a few bits scattered through the late 80s and 90s (mostly John Smith) but the vast bulk of it's content has been drawn from strips from 2000-2019. That it's also been a really srong run speaks volumes for the quality of the stories in the prog in this era.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 December, 2021, 05:00:37 PM
also the spine appears to have part of finn on it confirming that the sketch we previously saw appears to be the middle half of the new spine
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 December, 2021, 06:00:21 PM
That is some sexy, sexy stuff Sintec!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 23 December, 2021, 09:14:55 PM
Quotefrom Barney:

The Golden Mile (2000AD Yearbook 1993) 6 pages
Reprinted as Ring My Bell

Actually it was titled Ring My Bell in its original publication, that's the title that appears on the Yearbook's contents page. "The Golden Mile" was wrongly identified as the title because those are the words which appear in bold type in the narration box in the first panel. Several stories on Barney are erroneously attributed titles in this way.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 24 December, 2021, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: Richard on 23 December, 2021, 09:14:55 PM
Quotefrom Barney:

The Golden Mile (2000AD Yearbook 1993) 6 pages
Reprinted as Ring My Bell

Actually it was titled Ring My Bell in its original publication, that's the title that appears on the Yearbook's contents page. "The Golden Mile" was wrongly identified as the title because those are the words which appear in bold type in the narration box in the first panel. Several stories on Barney are erroneously attributed titles in this way.

The best one is the Future Shock from Prog 1872, which is called 'The Modular War' and has that title prominently displayed on the page. Barney thinks it's called 'Connection Lost', because those words appear on a screen in the background of the action on the same page.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 27 December, 2021, 04:02:35 PM
The Hachette site is now showing issue 115: ABC Warriors Return to Earth. Just Mills and Langley credited so presumably no Ro-Busters content.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 27 December, 2021, 07:00:22 PM
According to Barney, 'ABC Warriors: Return To Earth' took up 74 pages and Hachette have their title comprising 112 pages; so something else is going to have to be in there!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 27 December, 2021, 07:58:42 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 27 December, 2021, 07:00:22 PM
According to Barney, 'ABC Warriors: Return To Earth' took up 74 pages and Hachette have their title comprising 112 pages; so something else is going to have to be in there!

Of course; it's going to be Return to Earth and Return to Mars. Then a final volume collecting Return to Ro-Busters and Fallout.

The big question, though - will we get Blackblood: General Public...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 28 December, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
Hachette have it at 200 pages. It's volume 112!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 28 December, 2021, 09:38:32 AM
Leethomsom is absolutely right!! - sorry for my mistake. Will be picking these volumes up anyway to complete my ABC Warriors collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 29 December, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
As we won't be seeing them in the Hachette collection I got Mazeworld and Summer Magic collections from the tooth sale. Really liked Luke Kirby but think it needed to step up a gear if it was to continue in any way. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 30 December, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: leethomson on 28 December, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
Hachette have it at 200 pages. It's volume 112!

Well I think we can safely deduce we're getting 2 vols of ABC Warriros not 3 then. Volume 114 is the first Strontium Dogs volume and (so far) they've kept things together within each extension. I think it's a safe bet that 113 will be Warriors: Return To Ro-Busters and 115 will be Strontium Dogs vol 2.

200 pages seems pretty much spot on for Return To Earth and Return To Mars. Do the trade versions of the Return stories have extra pages like some of the other Langley stuff from this era (Volgan War, Book Of Invasions)?

Will be interesting to see what we get in volume 2. Return to Robusters clearly but how much Ro-busters are they going to include. The spine preview had Charlie on it so I guess Terra-Meks is definite. Rise and Fall is fairly long, if we get that I suspect we won't get Fallout. Given the choice I'd prefer Fallout and Terra-Meks; I think it's more likely we'll get Rise and Fall and Terra-Meks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 30 December, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
I would prefer the story Fallout to be included as well. Just out of interest, sintec, where were the stories Terra-Meks and Rise and Fall from? I am unfamiliar with them and can't see them anywhere on Barney??
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 31 December, 2021, 03:19:04 AM
they are part of robusters
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 31 December, 2021, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 30 December, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
I would prefer the story Fallout to be included as well. Just out of interest, sintec, where were the stories Terra-Meks and Rise and Fall from? I am unfamiliar with them and can't see them anywhere on Barney??

They're originally from Starlord, iirc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 31 December, 2021, 09:24:33 AM
Terra Meks and Rise and Fall are post-merger stories.

Terra-Meks: progs 98 - 101
Rise and Fall: progs 103-115
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 31 December, 2021, 12:49:39 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 October, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 16 October, 2021, 03:34:39 AM
There are 29 books to fill in the extension..

I think we'll get
1 Ro-busters volume (2000 ad stuff only)
1 ABC warriors volume (the three "return to" stories)
1 BlackHawk
1 Revere / Cradlegrave
1 Mean team / mean arena
2 Sinister Dexters
1 Deadworld
1 Finn
1 extra Slaine ?
1 Armoured Gideon
1 War Machine (paired with random Friday one-offs)
1 Leviathan
1 Devlin Waugh (post John smith stuff)
2 Strontium Dogs / Durham Red / Tales Doghouse
1 Samantha Slade (maybe with Hogan Hughes robo hunter)
2 Dredds (could be anything, probably machine law)
1 Harry 20

That's a great list. Some amendments from me - there are four uncollected ABC Warriors series, so that's 2 books; there's easily enough material for at least x3 Sinister/Dexter books; and I think I'm right in saying there's less Strontium Dogs stuff than you think, so it could all fit in one book.

So...

1 Ro-busters volume (2000 ad stuff only)
2 ABC warriors volumes (the three "return to" stories and Fallout)
1 BlackHawk
1 Revere / Cradlegrave
1 Mean team / mean arena
3 Sinister Dexters(?)
1 Deadworld
1 Finn
1 extra Slaine ?
1 Armoured Gideon
1 War Machine (paired with random Friday one-offs)
1 Leviathan (Needs pairing with something else, though)
1 Devlin Waugh (post John smith stuff)
1 Strontium Dogs / Tales from the Doghouse
1 Durham Red - Scarlet Apocrypha, Island of the Damned, Nobody-wants-this-job Job
1 Samantha Slade (maybe with Hogan Hughes robo hunter)
2 Dredds (could be anything, probably machine law)
1 Harry 20
2 Brass Sun
1 Survival Geeks
2 Scarlet Traces
1 Blunt
1 Kingdom (completing the series)
1 Stickleback (completing the series)
1 Savage/ Disaster 1990 (completing the series)


Which I think takes us to 31 of 29 books...!  :lol:

Just thought I'd bump this
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 January, 2022, 01:43:11 PM
Subs copies of 111 and 112 (vol 114) just showed up, the latter of which looked like it had been thrown down the stairs. (First time in a while I've had a copy that damaged.) Now to brave Hachette customer services regarding attempting to end my sub with Cradlegrave. (Unlikely, but you never know.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 January, 2022, 02:33:21 PM
Yep mine just arrived to.  Reading the intro to Strontium Dogs I note:

Quote...Gothlord, an encounter that will have ramifications for Red in the stories that follow in the next couple of volumes
(emphasis mine)

Quote...in the next book Ennis will join forces with Steve Pugh and Nigel Dobbyn...

Sounds like 3 books of Strontium Dogs/Durham Red. Next one will be the Ennis stuff from the 90s. I guess the 3rd will be the Peter Hogan run. Which stories follow on from Island of the Damned?

Quote fixed—IP
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 January, 2022, 02:54:39 PM
I assume so. And it does all wrap up, albeit not in terribly satisfying fashion. I'm pretty happy with the first volume, though—that's all the 'other' Strontium Dog stuff I care about, in a single volume. Fab.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 January, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
QuoteSounds like 3 books of Strontium Dogs/Durham Red. Next one will be the Ennis stuff from the 90s. I guess the 3rd will be the Peter Hogan run. Which stories follow on from Island of the Damned?

that would be part of  peter hogans run on strontium dogs in which durham has to deal with the gothlord himself

specifically (if my memory is right) mirrors, high noon, deals and night of the hunters
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 05 January, 2022, 05:47:01 PM
Wonder if Alan Smithee is still getting a credit on Night of the Hunter?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 06 January, 2022, 08:52:00 AM
As predicted upthread, Cradlegrave also includes A Love Like Blood and Stone Island. The intro also states that Necronauts is forthcoming in the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 January, 2022, 08:53:00 AM
Quote from: sintec on 05 January, 2022, 02:33:21 PM
Sounds like 3 books of Strontium Dogs/Durham Red.

Wow! Wouldn't gave thought there'd be enough material. My hope for The Scarlet Apocrypha revives...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 January, 2022, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 30 November, 2020, 01:39:58 PM
I'd rather have Leviathan packaged with another horrot tale or two: Necronauts, Cradlegrave, A Love Liked Blood, etc...

And I'm reviving this prediction - I still think Leviathan will be packaged with Necronauts...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 January, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
My guess for the next 2 Strontium Dogs books is something like:

Strontium Dogs Vol 2: Garth Ennis  (181)
Monsters (60)
Return Of The Gronk (48)
How The Gronk Got His Heartses (12)
The Darkest Star (61)

Strontium Dogs Vol 3: Peter Hogan (213)
Crossroads (18)
Mirrors (18)
The Alphabet Man (18)
High Moon (48)
The Mutant Sleeps Tonight (6)
Deals (24)
Hate & War (43)
Night Of The Hunters (38)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 January, 2022, 09:49:54 AM
FWIW, I just asked Hachette via Facebook to cancel my sub with immediate effect and it's been confirmed the most recent delivery (111/112) will be my last. So the 28-day thing is presumably to allow for implementation should customer services not respond swiftly.

I'm now into cherry-picking mode instead now (and, natch, will immediately be buying Cradlegrave).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 06 January, 2022, 10:09:01 AM
Quote from: sintec on 06 January, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
My guess for the next 2 Strontium Dogs books is something like:

Strontium Dogs Vol 2: Garth Ennis  (181)
Monsters (60)
Return Of The Gronk (48)
How The Gronk Got His Heartses (12)
The Darkest Star (61)

Strontium Dogs Vol 3: Peter Hogan (213)
Crossroads (18)
Mirrors (18)
The Alphabet Man (18)
High Moon (48)
The Mutant Sleeps Tonight (6)
Deals (24)
Hate & War (43)
Night Of The Hunters (38)

If your surmise is correct, there will be some gorgeous Mark Harrison artwork to savour in the latter volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 January, 2022, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: sintec on 06 January, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
Strontium Dogs Vol 3: Peter Hogan (213)
Crossroads (18)
Mirrors (18)
The Alphabet Man (18)
High Moon (48)
The Mutant Sleeps Tonight (6)
Deals (24)
Hate & War (43)
Night Of The Hunters (38)

And, presumably, Epicedium, which caps off the whole thing and sort-of sets up the Abnett/Harrison run.

There's more material than I thought! Bang goes The Scarlet Apocrypha. ☹
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 06 January, 2022, 11:12:56 PM
Does anyone know what the reason is for the latest Strontium Dog having the same cover as a previous volume? Is this a rare misprint or the intentional reuse of same cover?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 January, 2022, 08:33:52 AM
This got asked on FB:

Quote
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection

The cover artwork for Issue 52 and Issue 111 is by Carlos Ezquerra and the Editor made a conscious decision to use the same artwork for both issues. This was due to there being limited alternatives by the artist and as Ezquerra's art appears exclusively throughout Issue 111, the Editor wanted the cover to be his work as well.
We hope you understand and that this will not detract from your enjoyment of both issues.
Thanks!

Which doesn't really add up to me - I struggle to believe there weren't alternative choices of Ezquerra Stront art but there we go.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 07 January, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: davidbishop on 05 January, 2022, 05:47:01 PM
Wonder if Alan Smithee is still getting a credit on Night of the Hunter?

Hopefully the correct lettering is applied this time at least!

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 January, 2022, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: sintec on 06 January, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
Strontium Dogs Vol 3: Peter Hogan (213)
Crossroads (18)
Mirrors (18)
The Alphabet Man (18)
High Moon (48)
The Mutant Sleeps Tonight (6)
Deals (24)
Hate & War (43)
Night Of The Hunters (38)

And, presumably, Epicedium, which caps off the whole thing and sort-of sets up the Abnett/Harrison run.

There's more material than I thought! Bang goes The Scarlet Apocrypha. ☹

There were a few (I'm guessing 3 - 4) Durham Red one-off's by Hogan / Harrison / Marshall in various 2000AD specials at the time, some of which were really good - detailing everything from Lucy Durham's early days to her eventual rise to Empress of the Galaxy.

A comprehensive collection including this material would be great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 January, 2022, 11:31:18 AM
Quote from: sintec on 07 January, 2022, 08:33:52 AM
This got asked on FB:

Quote
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection

The cover artwork for Issue 52 and Issue 111 is by Carlos Ezquerra and the Editor made a conscious decision to use the same artwork for both issues. This was due to there being limited alternatives by the artist and as Ezquerra's art appears exclusively throughout Issue 111, the Editor wanted the cover to be his work as well.
We hope you understand and that this will not detract from your enjoyment of both issues.
Thanks!

Which doesn't really add up to me - I struggle to believe there weren't alternative choices of Ezquerra Stront art but there we go.

I wonder if they just looked at the next Rebellion digital collection and used that, forgetting it had already been used in the UC
(https://www.brokenfrontier.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/strontium-dog-son-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 07 January, 2022, 04:20:17 PM
Is 'Stone Island' from the now available 'Cradlegrave' volume a John Smith story as well? I looked it up on Barney and it wasn't listed under his credits.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 07 January, 2022, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 07 January, 2022, 04:20:17 PM
Is 'Stone Island' from the now available 'Cradlegrave' volume a John Smith story as well? I looked it up on Barney and it wasn't listed under his credits.

Its Ian Edgington (and Simon Davis) - I guess the fit is the horror vibe.

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=STONE (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=STONE)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 07 January, 2022, 04:43:08 PM
Just received 112 today - had no memory of the "Nobody wants this job job" at all!

So "The Sad Case" has eluded reprint in this collection I hear?

I do kind of hope they collect the Stront Dogs stories instead of the Durham Red stuff, which may as wellbe anther character - I mean, you can say that about the Dogs stuff, but it would be useful to have all the Dogs stuff ifnally collected for reappraisal
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 08 January, 2022, 09:37:15 PM
spine watch 2022

cradlegraves spine is the beginning of the black and white portion that was released on the facebook yonks ago so the first nine books are blank slates other than finn being a part of it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 10 January, 2022, 03:22:01 PM
Hi all, sorry if I missed it but can someone tell me the contents of the Cradlegrave book? Is A Love Like Blood in there?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 10 January, 2022, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 07 January, 2022, 04:43:08 PM

I do kind of hope they collect the Stront Dogs stories instead of the Durham Red stuff, which may as wellbe anther character - I mean, you can say that about the Dogs stuff, but it would be useful to have all the Dogs stuff ifnally collected for reappraisal

It's been about 2 years since I've been able to see anyone's forum Avatar - but If I recall correctly yours was Strontium Dog related Leigh, so excuse the following - What you talkin bout Willis?

When Hogan took control of Strontium Dogs with 'Crossroads' Durham Red featured prominently, and it was clear that her ongoing solo narrative was intended to be interwoven during the Ho-Gan era.
That specific trajectory was capped-off by Abnett in 'Epicedium' when Hogan's tenure was abruptly halted, and the "new direction" Durham Red stories that were set in the far future ploughed their own furrow.

I must admit, I thought it was a classy move by Abnett having the eventual fate of Empress Redwina align with Hogan's continuity before he wrapped up his run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 10 January, 2022, 07:06:27 PM
I was always fond of Bullmoose the Strontium Dog. Hope he's doing ok.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 11 January, 2022, 08:05:30 AM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 10 January, 2022, 03:22:01 PM
Hi all, sorry if I missed it but can someone tell me the contents of the Cradlegrave book? Is A Love Like Blood in there?

ALLB is indeed included, plus both runs of Stone Island.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 11 January, 2022, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 11 January, 2022, 08:05:30 AM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 10 January, 2022, 03:22:01 PM
Hi all, sorry if I missed it but can someone tell me the contents of the Cradlegrave book? Is A Love Like Blood in there?

ALLB is indeed included, plus both runs of Stone Island.

Good stuff, thanks.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 13 January, 2022, 06:36:37 PM
My goodness. How good is Brink? I didn't like the artwork for it at first (the faces still annoy me) but it is perfectly suited to the story.

Well happy to be introduced to this.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 January, 2022, 09:52:10 PM
It's superb. I like the art. Like you say, it suits the strip. We should feel lucky that Abnett got a 2000 AD exception in that US contract way back, and that at least a couple of the Abnett clones are busily working on 2000 AD. (What? Surely that's the only explanation for his insane work output.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 January, 2022, 03:52:50 PM
sinister dexter vol 4 contains the following

wising off

low life

the off lode experience

relode

the war of the moses

oh kal kutter

junk bond

just business

scare tactics

Job Jobbed

Slow Train to Kal Cutter

all the one offs not mentioned above are not in the book also intro confirms a vol 5 but honestly with the amount of war of the moses stuff i am expecting a vol 6 too
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2022, 09:15:32 AM
Just got my first cherry-pick from FP: Cradlegrave. Entertaining to see the difference in packaging from Hachette. I should probably order more often from FP, frankly.

I don't know if it's been mentioned in this very long thread, but Necronauts is confirmed in the intro.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 21 January, 2022, 10:27:54 AM
Twinned with Storming Heaven for a FRAZER IRVING themed book?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rara Avis on 21 January, 2022, 08:07:03 PM
Is there any reason why Devlin Waugh hasn't been included in this yet? He's been in 107 issues apparently so should be enough for a book of his own?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2022, 09:57:37 PM
Waugh was in the Dredd collection. For the most part, Dreddworld was omitted from this run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 January, 2022, 07:03:38 AM
waugh is on the spine so apparently we're getting a collection of  the smithless waugh stories?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 January, 2022, 05:09:54 PM
I would assume so. If that includes the Kot run, I'll be cherry picking that for sure.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 23 January, 2022, 03:02:50 PM
I've not been picking these up regularly, as with the Marvel collection, I grabbed one if I see it in WHSmith and it particularly appeals.

So I bought the latest, Sinister Dexter Vol 4, and have to sing its praises. Why we haven't had the whole lot collected is a source of mystery and frustration. I understand they haven't historically sold particularly strongly... but surely, Abnett's name and the artists' along with a recognised brand is enough to shift units. I mean, if Hope (which I love, and have bought both so far, but which surely mustn't have half the visibility of SiniDex?) can have nice paperbacks, why not Downlode's finest?

Anyway. Vol 4 is superb. But, after reading it I did notice that my hands smelled strongly of arse. Anyone else had similar problems lately?

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 January, 2022, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 January, 2022, 03:52:50 PM
sinister dexter vol 4 contains the following

Looks like they're basically following the content of Meg floppies 374-375. I'd guess the next book(s) wiill continue with the stuff that was in floppies 376-379. Wonder how much stuff we'll get after that, would be nice if this collection could bring us roughly up to date.

Quote from: IndigoPrime
If that includes the Kot run, I'll be cherry picking that for sure.

I don't think there's much else it can be is there, we got all the Smith stuff in the MC didn't we?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 January, 2022, 10:01:25 AM
FP have Lobster Random (https://forbiddenplanet.com/314077-2000ad-ultimate-collection-volume-84-lobster-random-hardcover/), Greysuit (https://forbiddenplanet.com/321108-2000ad-ultimate-graphic-novel-collection-volume-90-greysuit/) & Tales Of Telguuth (https://forbiddenplanet.com/334596-2000ad-ultimate-collection-volume-108/) reduced to a fiver plus postage if anyone didn't pick up those issues. Plenty of other stuff on sale right now as well like John Higgins' Razorjack in HC (https://forbiddenplanet.com/97638-razorjack-hardcover-titan-edition/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 26 January, 2022, 04:45:52 PM
Literally just received Tales of the Telguuth as part of my sub!

And with it Part 2 of Defoe.

Defoe is bonkers isn't it? Is there any actual rules to this universe? Seems to be weird shit happens, then weird shit happens, then weird shit happens. Why square bullets for zombies? Think I should hold on and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 January, 2022, 06:36:14 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 26 January, 2022, 04:45:52 PM
Defoe is bonkers isn't it? Is there any actual rules to this universe? Seems to be weird shit happens, then weird shit happens, then weird shit happens. Why square bullets for zombies?

Truth is often stranger than fiction, and if you think something in Defoe is particularly weird, then it's probably true! Pat really did his research, here.

The Puckle Gun, an early automatic weapon invented in the 17th century, was designed to fire round bullets at Christians, square bullets at heathens (specifically Turks). Square bullets were believed to hurt more, and do more tissue damage, thereby convincing the Turks (the hard way) of the benefits of Christian civilisation. The 'cutlery guns' seen in Book II were also a real 17th C invention.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 26 January, 2022, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 26 January, 2022, 06:36:14 PM
The Puckle Gun, an early automatic weapon invented in the 17th century, was designed to fire round bullets at Christians, square bullets at heathens (specifically Turks). Square bullets were believed to hurt more, and do more tissue damage, thereby convincing the Turks (the hard way) of the benefits of Christian civilisation. The 'cutlery guns' seen in Book II were also a real 17th C invention.

On a related note, I remember some years back reading that the Crossbow was banned by the Vatican as a 'barbaric' weapon, except of course for use against Heathens, most notably the Turks.  I don't know if that was true, but it sounds like a similiar concept.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 27 January, 2022, 12:30:36 AM
Ha. Great stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 28 January, 2022, 02:54:38 PM
3 more books listed
116 Brass Sun 1
117 Mean Arena 1
118 Strontium Dogs 2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 January, 2022, 03:14:23 PM
Mean Arena 1 is Volume number: 188 apparently. Is there something they're not telling us?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 January, 2022, 03:36:50 PM
Good grief. If that's the case, on the plus side it makes Armoured Gideon more likely. On the flip side, I'm bloody glad I dropped my sub.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 28 January, 2022, 03:43:03 PM
Hopefully a typo unless they are doing everything published to date
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 January, 2022, 05:00:44 PM
gotta be a typo....right? err right?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 January, 2022, 05:31:27 PM
*looks wearily at 2012 Marvel partwork*

I see Hachette has the next three volumes listed, and I'm now really glad I got out. Brass Sun is 116—a great strip, but unfinished and in a format here that won't best the existing Rebellion hardcover I own. A first volume of Mean Arena, which means that will span more than one book. And then angry Gronk is on the cover of Strontium Dogs Vol 2 (#118), reminding me about a very specific series nadir under Ennis. Oh well. Looking forward to seeing what issue 119 brings...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 January, 2022, 08:38:35 PM
Aw yeah I'm contrast to you then, that volume has the Feral series by Pugh which was one of my favourites at the time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 January, 2022, 01:33:33 PM
Just realised that it looks like the Dog-verse is set to have the most books in the run overall. Slaine was the clear winner in the original 80 with 13 to Alpha's 10. Since then we've had 1 more Strontium Dog book and what looks to be the first of at least 3 Dogs books which will take us to 14. I guess one could potentially count the Durham Red book from the original run too for 15, though that might be more contentious.

Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 23 January, 2022, 03:02:50 PM
I've not been picking these up regularly, as with the Marvel collection, I grabbed one if I see it in WHSmith and it particularly appeals.

So I bought the latest, Sinister Dexter Vol 4, and have to sing its praises. Why we haven't had the whole lot collected is a source of mystery and frustration. I understand they haven't historically sold particularly strongly... but surely, Abnett's name and the artists' along with a recognised brand is enough to shift units. I mean, if Hope (which I love, and have bought both so far, but which surely mustn't have half the visibility of SiniDex?) can have nice paperbacks, why not Downlode's finest?

Anyway. Vol 4 is superb. But, after reading it I did notice that my hands smelled strongly of arse. Anyone else had similar problems lately?

SBT

Just finished mine this morning. Didn't notice any smell issues. It is top quality thrill power though. Superb selection of diverse art styles and Dabnett is on top form with some hilarious dialogue and top quality punnage. I really hope they stretch this to another 2 books, the first one is 137 so there's potentially space for 4! Not sure we'll be getting that many, although I wouldn't be upset if we did.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2022, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 28 January, 2022, 08:38:35 PMAw yeah I'm contrast to you then, that volume has the Feral series by Pugh which was one of my favourites at the time.
I quite liked the first Feral series. I figured that would be in the previous book, and I'd have been happy with that. It's angry Gronk that was the shark moment for me, not least when he [spoiler]found Johnny in the Lyran cave and killed him again[/spoiler], which made me properly annoyed. I quite liked some of what Hogan subsequently tried to do, but it ultimately came to little when it was guillotined.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 January, 2022, 04:33:47 PM
I asked if the Mean Arena vol number was a mistake over on FB (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/3102523170075994?comment_id=3104553656539612&notif_id=1643643411545705&notif_t=feed_comment&ref=notif). Unsurprisingly it was.

Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hey Dave,
This is an error on our website. this should be volume 118.
Thanks!


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 31 January, 2022, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 28 January, 2022, 05:31:27 PMBrass Sun is 116—a great strip, but unfinished and in a format here that won't best the existing Rebellion hardcover I own.

This is a frustrating one for me too. Is it too much to hope that its appearance might prompt Tharg to get his finger out over continuing the series?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 February, 2022, 07:39:58 AM
In a recent letters page, it looks like a Tharg isn't the reason for the delay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 01 February, 2022, 09:00:39 PM
A bad Betelguesian always blames his droids.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 02 February, 2022, 09:42:07 AM
What would you prefer? Brink or Brass Sun?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 February, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 02 February, 2022, 09:42:07 AM
What would you prefer? Brink or Brass Sun?

If fear this is entirely the kind of question we will soon be regularly facing in Colins current tourney.  And yeah there's no easy answer. I'd love to see Ampney Crucius get some more pages but would I sacrifice Thistlebone for them?

I'm not sure there's an easy solution where artists get to retain their own series/characters but we don't end up with some bottlenecks like these. Especially given that, for many, drawing comics is one of many income streams they're juggling. Would it be better to have more things follow the Slaine/ABC Warriors model where different artists take up the residency for a while?

It'd probably make it easier to keep them in the prog consistently but I'm guessing it's less popular with artists/writers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 February, 2022, 10:46:29 AM
Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'd prefer Brink continue over Brass Sun. But, ideally, it would be good to allow for INJC to be able to do both. Perhaps Brass Sun could have shorter runs, but more of them? I dunno. I suppose it comes down to juggling schedules from Tharg and INJC, along with whether the Brass Sun scripts are even done in the first place. (It's a bit different for Abnett, who presumably has Abnett Clone 2 working hard on Brink, while the new Abnett Clone 3 busies itself on The Out's third book. Abnett Clone 1 is starting to emit smoke, but still working on Sin/Dex. At least, I assume this is what happens. That man is a machine.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 February, 2022, 11:48:48 AM
Tharg should bloomin' well lock INJ in a cupboard and not let him see any other comics, and quite possibly his family, until we can have at least one series of both a year...

... and don't think I'm joking for one minute!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 02 February, 2022, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 02 February, 2022, 11:48:48 AM
INJ cupboard

... and don't think I'm joking for one minute!

Perish the thought.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 02 February, 2022, 01:22:13 PM
INJC has such a distinctive style it's hard to imagine either series with a different artist. If push came to shove I'd rather keep him on Brink because it depends so much on the unique atmosphere he creates. I'd still love to see Brass Sun continue though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 February, 2022, 02:19:41 PM
I was going to say that it's a shame Brass Sun was never a Culbard/Disraeli two-hander as was originally intended, but when you think about what happened to Helium and Stickleback, it probably wouldn't have helped!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 03 February, 2022, 07:48:23 AM
I'm going to be a heretic and say I'd prefer more Brass Sun.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 03 February, 2022, 07:52:37 AM
This is for me a catch-22 scenario I want Brink but I also want Brass Sun. Maybe getting a different artists on Brass Sun might be the solution but I will still miss Culbard's art on it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 February, 2022, 02:57:28 AM
I've caught up with my 2000ad backlog (bar Sinister Dexter).  Thoroughly enjoyed Strontium Dogs and Durham Red.  I far prefer Durham Red in this world rather than the 40k like far future she was in in her previous book.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2022, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 January, 2022, 03:52:50 PM
Sinister Dexter vol 4 contains the following:

Wishing Off
Low Life
The Off Lode Experience
Relode
Oh Kal Kutter
Junk Bond
Just Business
Scare Tactics
Job Jobbed
Slow Train to Kal Cutter

all the one offs not mentioned above are not in the book also intro confirms a vol 5 but honestly with the amount of war of the moses stuff i am expecting a vol 6 too

Crunching the numbers, and I think I've worked out the contents of Sin/Dex 5.

...And Death have shall have no Dumb Minions - 55pp
Festive Spirits - 5pp
Malone - 35pp
Places to go, people to do - 30pp
Pros and Cons - 20pp
The Last Thing I do - 30pp
The Doctor Is In - 20pp
Normal Service - 5pp

...for a page count of 200 (slightly more, with title pages etc). Maybe they'll try to squeeze in the next story (Life is an Open Casket) in, but Normal Service is a really nice note to end on.

We're then into an interesting phase from volume 5 onwards, as almost every single story from this point (until we get to the Steve Yeowell run) is directly tied into the ongoing narrative. It's hard to see that they can easily drop anything; which is interesting, because I couldn't make the remaining War of the Moses stuff fit in a single volume...

Add in the fact that Book 4 is volume 137 - making a Book 6 volume 139 - and does this pretty much confirm that there are four Sin/Dex volumes coming in the extension?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 February, 2022, 12:20:21 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2022, 10:13:05 AM
Add in the fact that Book 4 is volume 137 - making a Book 6 volume 139 - and does this pretty much confirm that there are four Sin/Dex volumes coming in the extension?

I'd been wondering the same thing Jimbo but I've not read any of these before so it's much harder to make the guesses (beyond what fits in the page counts). My only conclusion was that the next book(s) would follow the Meg floppies 376-379 which is basically the same list you've got. I'd actually be entirely happy with this being a 4 book run as that'd bring us pretty much up to where I started buying 2000AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2022, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: sintec on 09 February, 2022, 12:20:21 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2022, 10:13:05 AM
Add in the fact that Book 4 is volume 137 - making a Book 6 volume 139 - and does this pretty much confirm that there are four Sin/Dex volumes coming in the extension?

I'd been wondering the same thing Jimbo but I've not read any of these before so it's much harder to make the guesses (beyond what fits in the page counts). My only conclusion was that the next book(s) would follow the Meg floppies 376-379 which is basically the same list you've got. I'd actually be entirely happy with this being a 4 book run as that'd bring us pretty much up to where I started buying 2000AD.

After my book 5, which will be volume 138, there's roughly another 300 pages to take us right to the end of The War of the Moses arc with Prog 2012's Now and Again - too much for one book. It just seems to make sense that volumes 137 - 140 will all be Sin/Dex.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 February, 2022, 03:49:24 PM
Just bounced over to the FB page as I thought I might see if I could get any confirmation on how many SinDex vols we're expecting.  Spotted this:

Quote from: Dan HowardHi again, I've seen others ask but haven't seen an answer but will Armoured Gideon be appearing anywhere in the extension? Thanks.
Quote from: 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hey Dan,
We don't have Armoured Gideon on our issue listing.
Thanks!

How definitive that is who knows but I think pretty much everyone had that on their speculation list.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2022, 04:56:48 PM
Bah. Not surprised, but a missed opportunity, I'd say. It's not like we'll get that in print anywhere else. Oh well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 09 February, 2022, 09:46:33 PM
Any idea yet on a definitive number and issue list on the extension?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 February, 2022, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 09 February, 2022, 09:46:33 PM
Any idea yet on a definitive number and issue list on the extension?

Numbers wise it's stil set to be 140. We've not had a definitive list of what's in there, it doesn't seem like they want to share that sadly. Plenty of speculation upthread.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 February, 2022, 02:33:17 AM
Methinks some are a bit ambitious on back issue prices

https://onlineshop.oxfam.org.uk/2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-slaine-the-horned-god/product/HD_300713656?pscid=ps_ggl_shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiA6Y2QBhAtEiwAGHybPfK2eP4rU15lrkACOfW5G7Z84zOQrPVGzRzvJ-8Dd2HJOJd4BVtEHhoC8AIQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 February, 2022, 08:42:31 AM
Especially considering you could have a new one for less - https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/slaine-the-horned-god/

Oxfam ceased to be a good place to buy 2nd hand stuff many years ago.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 February, 2022, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2022, 10:13:05 AM
Add in the fact that Book 4 is volume 137 - making a Book 6 volume 139 - and does this pretty much confirm that there are four Sin/Dex volumes coming in the extension?

I prodded them on FB to see if they'd give us any info.

Quote from: 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hi Dave, apologies for the delay in the response!
We can confirm there will be 7 volumes of Sinister Dexter.
Thanks!

Which means with the 3 in the initial run we must be getting 4 volumes in the extension filling 137-140. That puts Sin/Dex up with the other big hitters in terms of number of volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 February, 2022, 12:44:20 PM
Latest delivery just arrived. Two fairly slim volumes this time around.

Brass Sun vol 1 is just the first 2 stories (Wheel Of Worlds, Diamond age). I'd hoped we might get the first 3 here and maybe an Edington one-off to pad out vol 2. I guess not. Which is a shame but there we go.

ABC warriors is similraly just the first 2 Return to books (Earth & Mars). Next one will clearly be Return To Robusters + something (my money's on some Ro-busters although I'd prefer Fallout as I've got the Nuts and Bolts collections of Ro-busters).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 February, 2022, 03:10:32 PM
gotta be the robusters stuff not in the collection already charlies on the spine
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 21 February, 2022, 04:21:00 PM
'Fallout' would be much the better fit as then we would have ABC Warriors up-to-date and completed. Leaving the story unfinished in the Ultimate Collection would not be great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 February, 2022, 05:19:31 PM
Terra-Meks is just 27 pages according to Barney. In theory there'd be space for Return To Ro-busters, Fallout and Terra-Meks. Fingers crossed that's the line up we get.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 22 February, 2022, 08:47:42 AM
Quote from: sintec on 21 February, 2022, 12:44:20 PM
Brass Sun vol 1 is just the first 2 stories (Wheel Of Worlds, Diamond age). I'd hoped we might get the first 3 here and maybe an Edington one-off to pad out vol 2. I guess not. Which is a shame but there we go.

That'll be a no from me on this volume, but if they can squeeze the three remaining serials into a vol 2, I'd be tempted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 24 February, 2022, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Hi Dave, apologies for the delay in the response!
We can confirm there will be 7 volumes of Sinister Dexter.

Speculation time!

Volume 5 (200 pages):

...And Death have shall have no Dumb Minions - 55pp
Festive Spirits - 5pp
Malone - 35pp
Places to go, people to do - 30pp
Pros and Cons - 20pp
The Last Thing I do - 30pp
The Doctor Is In - 20pp
Normal Service - 5pp

Volume 6* (200 pages):
*All the stories hereon are drawn by Anthony Williams, which means they all blur together a bit in my mind. Maybe there's a few that aren't strictly necessary to the ongoing story and could be dropped?

Life is an Open Casket - 30pp
Yer Ass from Yer Elbow - 10pp
The Bournemouth Identity - 20pp
Desperately Fleeing Ernest - 25pp
Wish U Were Here - 30pp
Rush from her with Love - 15pp
Watch with Motherfunter - 5pp
Better the Devil You Know - 25pp
The Why Shaped Cut - 30pp

Volume 7 (111 pages):

Are you Being Severed? - 30pp
Charon's Crossing - 25pp
Inverse Ninjas Rule - 6pp
The Dead-End Job - 24pp
Dirty Deeds done Cheap - 16pp
Now and Again - 10pp

And that's the end of War of the Moses. Obviously there's a bit of room in that last volume for more material, particularly if you bumped a few stories back into vol 6. If they do that, then they could just about squeeze in the next two mini-arcs Witless Protection at 65 pages, and The Generican Dream at 51.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 March, 2022, 02:51:42 PM
spine watch 2022

mean arena is 118 and it is a part of the spine we have never seen before! I am unfortunatly drawing a blank on whats on the spine for this part though
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 03 March, 2022, 10:57:49 PM
Any chance of uploading image.Not got this yet
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 16 March, 2022, 07:31:59 PM
strontium dogs vol 2 contains all of garth ennis run on the strip including the one poster prog story

spine watch

its ya boi finn
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robprosser on 21 March, 2022, 12:07:56 PM
Any news about what's next?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 March, 2022, 04:01:36 PM
nothing surprisingly
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 March, 2022, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 21 March, 2022, 04:01:36 PM
nothing surprisingly

Well, there's still a week and a bit to go before the next book's out, so I wouldn't expect anything before then. The next three are up for pre-order on FP, but just placeholder covers with no details so far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 March, 2022, 05:51:28 PM
Given the secrecy, it must be:

- Dry Run
- Wireheads, reprinted twice within the same book
- Mark Millar's Robo-Hunter
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 21 March, 2022, 07:51:08 PM
Against my better judgement, picked this up today

I think the biggest mmisstep is the Gronk, though Garth seems to think that was the only good thing about this run, which might be partially why his stuff never sdid stick.

My main take is that it would have made more sense for [spoiler]Feral's dad to be Malak Brood[/spoiler], not that either makes much sense

Be interested in the Hogan book (hopefully opening with the Ridgeway drawn flashback story for completions sake)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 22 March, 2022, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 March, 2022, 05:51:28 PM
Given the secrecy, it must be:

- Dry Run
- Wireheads, reprinted twice within the same book
- Mark Millar's Robo-Hunter

Junker / Trash
The complete Michael Fleischer Rogue Trooper
Kola Kommandos / Babe race 2000
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 22 March, 2022, 10:15:46 PM
Well I finally got round to reading Mean Arena, not bad, but very much a product of it's time I think.  As sports strips go, I think I preferred Harlem Heroes which is equally dated but still fun, while Inferno I feel had the hint that the team had been told to finish it within a certain amount of time, hence the quick ending.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 24 March, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
Just read The Small House collection for the first time. I fairly motored through that in a couple of days. What a good series of stories. Apart from the weird alien invasion bit.   
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 March, 2022, 01:33:29 PM
Next book - Rogue Trooper : War Machine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 26 March, 2022, 03:13:45 PM
Can someone who gets that let us know what else is in it please?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 March, 2022, 04:18:34 PM
Cover states Gibbons/Rennie/Simpson/Weston/Harrison as the primary contributors. So that suggests War Machine and probably Glimmer Rats (Rennie/Harrison). Together, that's about 130 pages of strip, leaving 50–100, depending on how chunky the volume will be.

Dunno about where Weston sits in war comics. He did a few Rogue one-offs for yearbooks/annuals, and maybe Scavenger of Souls (48 pages) will be in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 March, 2022, 09:56:53 AM
Hoping Weston means we're getting the John Smith penned annual stories - I've heard good things about those.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 March, 2022, 07:00:04 PM
ohhh does that mean we'll get enfleshlings the not killing time at all no sir rogue story?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 March, 2022, 09:58:39 AM
According to Barney, Weston illustrated Scavenger of Souls and G.I. Blue for the Prog, and then Enfleshlings, Decoys, Shock Tactics and Hill 392 for other publications. Two of those were apparently reprinted in the Meg (291 and 293). Of course, that's not to say there won't be a bunch of other creators in this book.

(I did wonder whether Gordon Rennie being listed might mean Hunted is in the book, but Mark Harrison would suggest not. The only thing that makes sense is Glimmer Rats for a similarly gritty future war take as War Machine.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 28 March, 2022, 11:32:40 AM
Mean Arena Vol 1 and Dogs Vol 2 just arrived. How is Ennis' work regarded on this run cos tbh I've seen very little positivity about most his work on the prog.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 March, 2022, 11:37:05 AM
Broadly, I think people have some time for Monsters, but not so much for what followed. There's a ham-fisted moment in one of the Gronk tales that's full-fat nadir—probably the worst moment for me in the entire Strontium Dog(s) continuity. However, How The Gronk Got His Heartses is all rather lovely (if not nearly enough for me to cherry-pick the volume).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 28 March, 2022, 06:41:50 PM
Thanks IP, while I appreciate the collection including this book for the sake of completeness, plus some decent stuff in there as you say, the back matter is pretty much dedicated to Ennis slagging off his own work again. Smith's intro says Vol 3 includes some actual behind the scenes info (mostly editorial vs Hogan) so looking forward for some insight behind the series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 29 March, 2022, 11:05:57 AM
120 Finn
121 Mean arena 2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 29 March, 2022, 11:16:47 AM
Thanks for this info, think I might buy this one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 March, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: Swerty on 29 March, 2022, 11:05:57 AM
120 Finn
121 Mean arena 2

More importantly, it's Finn volume 1, which means there are now only six unknown volumes...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 March, 2022, 11:26:49 AM
Yikes @ more Finn. Not surprising, perhaps, but I'm happy I took that off-ramp. 4/10 hit rate for me so far, which is somewhat down on the previous extension (around 8/10). Still, glad it's continuing and happy to cherry-pick War Machine, while curious as to whatever else it'll have in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 29 March, 2022, 11:58:01 AM
Just been back to the facebook page for the first time in a while and seen Armoured Gideon *isnt* on the list. HOW CAN THIS BE! But SinDex goes to 7 & Necronauts is in.

Jimbo, care to share your list?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 March, 2022, 12:34:20 PM
Yep—no Armoured Gideon was confirmed a while back, which I think is a great pity. I suspect not enough of it is in a format that could be made readily available for these volumes. I imagine what we'll get at this is mostly whatever is already in digital.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 29 March, 2022, 05:02:38 PM
finn can easily fit into two volumes heck vol 1 seems to be the first two arcs and the crisis castoff if my sums are correct
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 29 March, 2022, 07:34:31 PM
Has a second book of 'The Order' been ruled out?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 30 March, 2022, 12:53:24 AM
it would be kinda hard to do a second book of the order when the first one came out it was up to date since then there has been two more series
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 30 March, 2022, 09:04:25 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 29 March, 2022, 05:02:38 PM
finn can easily fit into two volumes heck vol 1 seems to be the first two arcs and the crisis castoff if my sums are correct

I'm curious if we've had a confirmation that treasury of British comics will do a volume three collection of third world war? The rest of the Crisis episodes should fit in a final volume. I hope they don't leave it hanging.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 30 March, 2022, 08:40:12 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 30 March, 2022, 12:53:24 AM
it would be kinda hard to do a second book of the order when the first one came out it was up to date since then there has been two more series

Couldn't these two more series as well as 'Inbetween Days' (Prog 2182) be the basis of a second book; bringing us right up to date? (Or am I missing something important here?!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 31 March, 2022, 07:44:39 AM
There's more than enough Durham Red to complete the third Strontium Dogs volume, so wonder whether they'll be a second Durham Red volume, possibly including The Scarlet Apocrypha?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 March, 2022, 08:28:58 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 30 March, 2022, 08:40:12 PM
Couldn't these two more series as well as 'Inbetween Days' (Prog 2182) be the basis of a second book; bringing us right up to date? (Or am I missing something important here?!)

Inbetween Days is one of the two more series. With just the 2 series it'd be a slim volume but not unprecedently so.

Quote from: abelardsnazz on 31 March, 2022, 07:44:39 AM
There's more than enough Durham Red to complete the third Strontium Dogs volume, so wonder whether they'll be a second Durham Red volume, possibly including The Scarlet Apocrypha?

We know Strontium Dogs vol 3 is going to be the Hogan run so his Durham Red stories will presumably be in there. Is there still enough left after that? 

I guess there's a couple of full length stories from Worleyand the Scarlet Apocrypha is ~50 pages so yeah that probably is a books worth. There's a gap between Strontium Dogs 3 (116) and Mean Arena (118) it'd sit nicely there. Hmmm yeah maybe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 31 March, 2022, 06:25:02 PM
so war machine is as we suspected from the creator credits the war machine and glimmer rats packaged together split up by a whole bunch of one off friday stories including enfleshlings. the poster prog story and the judge dredd crossover

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 31 March, 2022, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 31 March, 2022, 06:25:02 PM
so war machine is as we suspected from the creator credits the war machine and glimmer rats packaged together split up by a whole bunch of one off friday stories including enfleshlings. the poster prog story and the judge dredd crossover

That sounds good. I would love to see a list of the one-offs. There was some nice art from kevin walker and chris weston on a couple of the stories in the Rogue trooper annual so I am curious if those ones made it in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 31 March, 2022, 08:52:46 PM
It seems crazy to reprint the Hogan stories, when they are not highly regarded and there are so many better alternatives.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 31 March, 2022, 08:55:57 PM
Quote from: Richard on 31 March, 2022, 08:52:46 PM
It seems crazy to reprint the Hogan stories, when they are not highly regarded and there are so many better alternatives.

Oh one persons opinion does not make it so. I love the Hogan and Hughes stories, particularly Metrobolis which was superb. Rian Hughes art was just spot on for the series. It was a real palette cleanser after the Miller years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 31 March, 2022, 09:14:54 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 31 March, 2022, 08:55:57 PM
Quote from: Richard on 31 March, 2022, 08:52:46 PM
It seems crazy to reprint the Hogan stories, when they are not highly regarded and there are so many better alternatives.

Oh one persons opinion does not make it so. I love the Hogan and Hughes stories, particularly Metrobolis which was superb. Rian Hughes art was just spot on for the series. It was a real palette cleanser after the Miller years.

That's Robo-Hunter. I hope the teased samantha slade volume has the hogan / hughes stories as well. I was really disappointed when I bought the robo hunter droid files 2 and these stories were reprinted in black and white.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 31 March, 2022, 09:56:23 PM
I was talking about Strontium Dogs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 01 April, 2022, 08:25:06 AM
It would be good to see the Hogan/Hughes Robo-Hunter in the collection, however I suspect it's a very distant possibility.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 April, 2022, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 31 March, 2022, 06:25:02 PM
so war machine is as we suspected from the creator credits the war machine and glimmer rats packaged together split up by a whole bunch of one off friday stories including enfleshlings. the poster prog story and the judge dredd crossover
Well, that's not too shabby. My ideal book would have been War Machine + Tor Cyan, but I recall the Fr1day/Dredd strip was fairly good, am keen to re-read Glimmer Rats, have long wanted War Machine in HC, and will happily check out John Smith's weirdness again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 April, 2022, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 31 March, 2022, 06:25:02 PM
so War Machine is as we suspected from the creator credits: The War Machine and Glimmer Rats packaged together, split up by a whole bunch of one off Friday stories including Enfleshlings, the poster prog story and the Judge Dredd crossover

Well you know, I think that's gone from a 'skip' to a 'buy' for me. Always wanted to read Glimmer Rats.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 April, 2022, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 29 March, 2022, 11:58:01 AM
Jimbo, care to share your list?

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 -
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 -
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 -
125 -
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 -
129 -
130 -
131 -
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 -
134 -
135 -
136 -
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7

12 gaps there. We also know that the following are coming, but not which volume numbers they'll be:

Devlin Waugh
Blunt
Necronauts
Samantha Slade
Blackhawk
Revere
Leviathan (probably in the same book as Necronauts)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 April, 2022, 05:34:09 PM
That matches my list. Pretty sure Necronauts will be in the same vol as Leviathan. And I reckon Revere will be 120 and will probably be backed with Slaughterbowl.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 April, 2022, 03:06:07 AM
Damn, the last book that came into my newsagents was Mean Arena volume 1, I hope that's not going to be a miss, Smiths have been fairly good with practically no problems.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 05 April, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 04 April, 2022, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 29 March, 2022, 11:58:01 AM
Jimbo, care to share your list?

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 -
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 -
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 -
125 -
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 -
129 -
130 -
131 -
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 -
134 -
135 -
136 -
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7

12 gaps there. We also know that the following are coming, but not which volume numbers they'll be:

Devlin Waugh
Blunt
Necronauts
Samantha Slade
Blackhawk
Revere
Leviathan (probably in the same book as Necronauts)

Wasn't there talk of 2 Dredds,Deadworld,Harry 20 & another Slaine
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 05 April, 2022, 11:26:12 AM
Cheers Jimbo!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 April, 2022, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 05 April, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
Wasn't there talk of 2 Dredds, Deadworld, Harry 20 & another Slaine

Was there? None of that would surprise me (I'm certainly expecting some Dredd) but I haven't heard of any of that being confirmed officially.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 April, 2022, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 05 April, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
Wasn't there talk of 2 Dredds,Deadworld,Harry 20 & another Slaine

There's definitely been talk on here. Nothing official though. I'll be very surprised if there's not, at least, one more Dredd book.

Harry 20s getting the hardcover treatment in the best of GFD isn't it?
Which makes me think it might not get included here.

My top 3 guesses:
Dredd (Wagner and/or Niemand)
Stickleback
Survival Geeks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 05 April, 2022, 11:20:49 PM
I want at least one surprise
Maybe a Middenface McNulty volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 April, 2022, 02:50:56 AM
I'd still like us to get a Dredd Black Atlantic volume but it seems that it won't be.

If there IS a Harry 20, I'd like it to include the follow up story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 April, 2022, 03:15:10 PM
Okay I read Strontium Dogs, not bad, the Gronk stories were silly but amusing.

I'm a good bit through War machine, and I was expecting more somehow.  I was a Rogue Trooper fan, but War Machine seems very disjointed.  The Dredd crossover story so far seems the best bit but its all over the place.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 10 April, 2022, 07:02:50 PM
'The War Machine' is better than anything that followed under the Rogue Trooper banner for the subsequent decade but it is very over-rated. Gibbons has been outspoken about how his hopes for the original strip being a meditation on a soldier's soul got dashed under a tonne of "Eat leaden death, Nort scum!" cliches and it's definitely his attempt to make the strip what he thought it should have been all along. But it's not particularly compelling or particularly distinctive (especially post-'Bad Company') and ultimately illustrates that worthy themes aren't much cop if their dramatisation is inert. It really demonstrates how much inventive pulp poetry Gerry Finlay-Day brought to the original.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 10 April, 2022, 10:39:53 PM
No disrespect to Will Simpson, but I don't think painted art helps this particular strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 April, 2022, 10:48:56 PM
I finished the book, Glimmer Rats was just one of those...what the hell is this, it just seemed to be an excuse for a gorefest.  I'm not offended by this or anything but really it wasn't a very memorable story.

As to Rogue, or that universe I preferred the likes of the Realpolitik era, the 86ers or Jaegir.  The painted art was very messy in my opinion and I get that it was perhaps meant to highlight the confusion but it didn't work for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 April, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
Issues 117-118 (Mean arena 1 and Strontium Dogs 2) really has proved to be the lowest ebb of thrillpower in the series to date. I'm half way through both books and struggling to find the will to finish them. There's some nice art but that only goes so far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 14 April, 2022, 10:10:08 AM
Quote from: sintec on 14 April, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
Issues 117-118 (Mean arena 1 and Strontium Dogs 2) really has proved to be the lowest ebb of thrillpower in the series to date. I'm half way through both books and struggling to find the will to finish them. There's some nice art but that only goes so far.

Strontium dogs 2 is a real slog. It surprised me to be honest because I liked them at the time. That said it was just after this era that I stopped buying the comics....

The War Machine volume is better, but really reminds me that a whole lot of the Friday era stories were completely forgettable. I was interested to see Dave Gibbons talk about other story ideas he had for the character. If he had kept writing it for a bit longer it might have become something more.
The two John Smith shorts were OK.
The Friday / Dredd crossover was just strange. It seemed to be about a different character.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 April, 2022, 12:16:54 AM
I have to admit that the volume of mediocre or dud to really good stuff in the 2000ad partwork in comparison to the Dredd one isn't as strong for me.  However, I've got stuff like the last Savage that didn't look like it was going to be printed in graphic novel form anytime soon, as well as getting introduced to stories that I'd heard about but hadn't read, like Nikolai Dante and enjoyed. 

Mean Arena I seem to remember not reading at the time it was in the prog as I got it at the time.  Part of that might be because I have no interest in sports (though strangely enough I liked Harlem Heroes and to a lesser extent Inferno).  War Machine after all I'd heard about it was just soooo disappointing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 April, 2022, 11:24:09 AM
The issue with the Dredd partwork is that first 80 books had a lot of objectively crap stuff in it. I don't fully understand the decision-making when you had volume after volume of rear matter where the creators were saying what you'd just read was shit. The extension, though, was mostly amazing.

2000 AD's initial run had some issues with dated material and I could have done without a chunk of Sláine, but what was included felt coherent. The first extension was mostly amazing, covering a bunch of series I never thought would see print, let alone in HC. Red Seas? YASSSSS. The second extension was my off ramp. Perhaps I'll regret that later, but I've felt happy in that decision so far. As for War Machine, perhaps I'll find that nostalgia talking (same with Glimmer Rats) but I'll have a read and chunk it on eBay if it doesn't strike home.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 April, 2022, 08:18:52 PM
True that, far too much Slaine, and as you say the first extension was pretty solid, the second has been far more hit and miss and I've been wondering whether to cancel or not.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 13school on 16 April, 2022, 06:55:44 AM
While the second extension has been way more hit and miss, the initial run (and much of the first extension) was packed full of great stuff that I already owned in other formats.

I've only been picking up individual installments though my newsagents rather than subscribing, but the last six months or so I reckon I've grabbed more than I've let slip by. If subscribing was the only possible option, I reckon I would have signed up around #90
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 April, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
Got through the rest of Mean Arena and Strontium Dogs 2.

The Darkest Star had some superb art but I'm not sure it was a story that needed telling. The whole book reads like it's trying a bit too hard and the Gronk's transformation into action hero was a big mis-step imo. Certainly didn't sound like Ennis was particularly proud of any of it, (is this the first case of creatos dissing their own work that we've had in the UC?) Hoping the next Strontium Dogs book will be more like the first one.

Mean Arena did pick up a bit but it still wasn't really great. Matt Talon is a fairly unlikeable protagonist and I'm not all that invested in his quest. There are some cool deaths but that's not enough to keep it going. Guess there's one more of these to slog through in the coming months, meh. First complete miss in a while though, shame it's taking up 2 books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 April, 2022, 05:14:30 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 15 April, 2022, 12:16:54 AMWar Machine after all I'd heard about it was just soooo disappointing.
A lot of nostalgia leaking in there. I was looking forward to this one. I read it and, well, yeah. I mean, it's not bad. It's a lot better than what followed, and definitely my third favourite Rogue thing (after the IDW take and Cinnabar). But the 'voiceover' is overbearing and one of the twists at the end ([spoiler]Earth[/spoiler] is a bit Captain Obvious.

On the rest of the volume, John Smith's Rogue Trooper always took place in a much weirder and horrific take on Nu-Earth. It's certainly a lot more interesting than what Fleisher did, mind, and in another universe where Smith was the main Fr1day scribe, it might have at least been more fondly remembered.

The Wagner Dredd is an odd one. It's not a bad tale, but it feels entirely divorced from any Rogue Trooper continuity. The John Higgins art feels a bit flat too.

Then it all finishes of with Glimmer Rats. I'd not read that in years and... it's OK. I can't imagine Gordon Rennie wouldn't agree he's done much better work for the Prog since. It does at least have some nice ideas and the art's solid. But it doesn't feel like anything I'm going to return to soon. Given that I'm now cherry picking, I think this volume's going to find its way on to eBay.

Quote from: sintec on 18 April, 2022, 09:31:23 PMCertainly didn't sound like Ennis was particularly proud of any of it, (is this the first case of creatos dissing their own work that we've had in the UC?) Hoping the next Strontium Dogs book will be more like the first one.
It is interesting that much of what's been in the back matter for this run has been broadly positive, which presumably reflects the quality within – unlike with maybe 20–25 of the Dredd books. Strontium Dogs is an odd one – I wonder why it was selected over, say, Armoured Gideon?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 25 April, 2022, 12:27:41 PM
Got my subs copies at the weekend. There's quite a bit of moiré patterning in the Finn book. I'm sure when I was at uni our scanners had the capability to somehow scan without picking this up - it was a setting. Or does that simply mess with the quality of the scan? Is this just the best that's possible?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 April, 2022, 01:55:06 PM
Possibly. It depends on what the source is that's being used. The first Devlin Waugh book had dreadful moiré. Some of the early pre-digital Dante volumes suffer from it a bit as well. I suspect Finn was probably scanned from the comics. Getting rid of it, even in these days of tech isn't that easy – although I'd hope it wouldn't look as bad as the aforementioned Waugh volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 25 April, 2022, 03:44:09 PM
The Devlin pages were a nightmare to scan 30 years ago. Lots of collage, different levels and heights on the page, colour photocopies incorporated into the artwork. Plus some of the pages were huge, which added another layer of difficulty for the repro house. Technology at the time wasn't really up to the challenge of Sean's pages. A shame, as they looked incredible IRL!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 25 April, 2022, 04:44:36 PM
Moire is a repro headache that isn't always fixable. Some of the methods for combating it lead to a loss of clarity in the art, and some border on superstition (rotate the material being scanned to x angle, then correct that in post etc.) I've tried a few, including scanning at super-high-res then reducing to print res, but it tends to be an exercise in minimisation rather than elimination, and with some original source printed pages you just aren't going to get a completely clean scan.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 April, 2022, 05:10:09 PM
It could be worse: Hachette could have outsourced to India, whereupon a semi-automated process could have been run across all the colours (and, er, dialogue balloons), thereby removing the moiré (and, er, lots more).

(Yes, I'm still pissed at IDW's treatment of Transformers.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 25 April, 2022, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 April, 2022, 05:10:09 PM
It could be worse: Hachette could have outsourced to India, whereupon a semi-automated process could have been run across all the colours (and, er, dialogue balloons), thereby removing the moiré (and, er, lots more).

(Yes, I'm still pissed at IDW's treatment of Transformers.)

Yep, I hear ya. Put me off buying the collections it was so bad - I'll stick to my tatty old original uk issues from the 80s!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 13school on 26 April, 2022, 06:44:38 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 25 April, 2022, 12:27:41 PM
Got my subs copies at the weekend. There's quite a bit of moiré patterning in the Finn book. I'm sure when I was at uni our scanners had the capability to somehow scan without picking this up - it was a setting. Or does that simply mess with the quality of the scan? Is this just the best that's possible?

Did Finn have this problem when it (just the first book I think?) was reprinted as a floppy?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 April, 2022, 08:03:17 AM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 25 April, 2022, 09:21:10 PMYep, I hear ya. Put me off buying the collections it was so bad - I'll stick to my tatty old original uk issues from the 80s
It's a real shame. Had the UK Classics books continued (themselves with some pretty dire decision making, alas), I'd have stuck with them. But I did want the entire classic run in HC. Not sure getting rid of my Titan books was the best move given what I now have in return but there you go. (Furman's decisions on story order were also deeply suspect. I understand them from an individual issue standpoint, but straight chronological would have been better. Sigh.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 26 April, 2022, 08:18:25 AM
I don't remember the Finn floppies (books I and II) having any art issues. What's in this volume - is it the whole boiling lot of Finn? Which might just encourage me to have a go, moiré and all. I don't remember loving those last stories but Mills later work often reads much better in collected form.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 April, 2022, 08:34:39 AM
This one is just books one and two. The intro states there'll be a second volume colllecting the rest.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 26 April, 2022, 09:13:42 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 April, 2022, 08:03:17 AM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 25 April, 2022, 09:21:10 PMYep, I hear ya. Put me off buying the collections it was so bad - I'll stick to my tatty old original uk issues from the 80s
It's a real shame. Had the UK Classics books continued (themselves with some pretty dire decision making, alas), I'd have stuck with them. But I did want the entire classic run in HC. Not sure getting rid of my Titan books was the best move given what I now have in return but there you go. (Furman's decisions on story order were also deeply suspect. I understand them from an individual issue standpoint, but straight chronological would have been better. Sigh.)

I was totally oblivious to the Titan volumes coming out so I missed them. But yes, the full run in a decent collection would be a treat.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 April, 2022, 04:40:25 PM
Titan released pretty much the entire US run between 2001 and 2003 in TPB and HC formats, with the latter being a nightmare to find. It also released key UK strips during 2002 to 2004, but with Furman being Furman, earlier stuff was ignore – even the Wrath stories. Those go for a lot of money on eBay now, and I sold mine a while ago. Give wee black and white paperbacks were also released.

It's a real shame the classic Transformers comics never got a great reprint run. Titan arguably came closest, with fairly good repro, but it was incomplete. IDW churned out rubbish US reprint and oddball UK books that got abruptly canned before they were done (a pity – they included a ton of front matter). Then Hachette blundered in and ended up halfway between the two, with an almost complete run, but in an odd order, and with IDW's repro issues coming along for the ride. _Sigh_

(Getting the original comics bound would probably be the best bet, if they weren't so terrifyingly expensive to buy these days.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 April, 2022, 08:47:36 AM
From a post on one of the 2000ad FB groups it looks like The 2nd Mean Arena volume also contains John Smith's Slaughterbowl. Hadn't spotted John and Paul's names on the cover previously - but they're there. I'd assummed (wrongly it turns out) that this would get bundled with Revere for another Smith themed vol. Seems they decided to go with a future sports theme instead. Wonder if Revere will be joining Leviathan and Necronauts for a 2nd horror themed vol. If that's the case then I've gained an unknown slot in my speculation (up to 7) as I had Leviathan and Revere down as separate books!

Also spotted on the collections own FB page that Hachette have confirmed Storming Heaven won't be included in the collection. Don't think that had been mentioned here before.

Read the first book of Finn over the last couple of nights. It contains Origins in addition to the first two books. Enjoyed it more than expected. It's good silly fun. Story wise I think it's actully better then the Warriros tales Pat did with Tony around this time (although the art isn't as astounding). It's quite tropey but I'll take that over supergronk. Repro isn't great though - Origins is very murky and there're issues with moire throughout. I'm guessing this maybe part of the reason it's not previously had a TPB.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 April, 2022, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: sintec on 28 April, 2022, 08:47:36 AM
...it looks like The 2nd Mean Arena volume also contains John Smith's Slaughterbowl... Seems they decided to go with a future sports theme instead.

Huh. That's interesting. Bit annoying, too, as I fancy having Slaughterbowl in hardback but I'm not really interested in Mean Arena.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 April, 2022, 10:15:43 AM
Curious. Oh well. I'm not that bothered about Slaughterbowl and there's no way in hell I'm buying Mean Arena. It'll be interesting to see what Revere ends up twinned with.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 April, 2022, 11:33:53 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 April, 2022, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: sintec on 28 April, 2022, 08:47:36 AM
...it looks like The 2nd Mean Arena volume also contains John Smith's Slaughterbowl... Seems they decided to go with a future sports theme instead.

Huh. That's interesting. Bit annoying, too, as I fancy having Slaughterbowl in hardback but I'm not really interested in Mean Arena.

Yeah being cynical it seems like a good way to make what seem to be two of less popular books sell a few more copies. I think it's far more likely they needed a back up story to raise the page count and Slaughterbowl was the right length and fitted with the future sports theme.

I'm actually happy about this, having just slogged through vol 1 the prospect of 2 turning up so quickly was, meh. Now I know there's at least something I'm interested to read in there it's a bit less daunting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 April, 2022, 12:27:58 PM
I suspect at this point the vast majority of sales are through subscriptions anyway. You're not going to boost sales of a book by way of a back-up strip if hardly anyone knows it's in there. It's not even mentioned on the Hachette website.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 28 April, 2022, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: sintec on 28 April, 2022, 11:33:53 AM
Yeah being cynical it seems like a good way to make what seem to be two of less popular books sell a few more copies. I think it's far more likely they needed a back up story to raise the page count and Slaughterbowl was the right length and fitted with the future sports theme.

Tbf it feels like a way to get Smith completists to buy more books. I probably won't go for it though. Revere in hardcover is a must-have. Slaughterbowl's fun but a minor work.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 13school on 30 April, 2022, 07:33:39 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 26 April, 2022, 08:18:25 AM
I don't remember the Finn floppies (books I and II) having any art issues. What's in this volume - is it the whole boiling lot of Finn? Which might just encourage me to have a go, moiré and all. I don't remember loving those last stories but Mills later work often reads much better in collected form.

I found my copy of the reprint of Finn book 2 from the Megazine and there's definitely some moire patterning going on there. It's not massively distracting, but that could be down to the repo which is rarely crystal clear.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 30 April, 2022, 08:38:58 PM
mean arena got very silly when tom tully left it.

I love the backmatter of this volume as well as slaughterbowl (still the best thing of that summer offensive) theres a very nice potted history of future sports in 2000ad and some of its sister mags
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 02 May, 2022, 11:59:51 AM
Next two covers are up: Fall of Deadworld and The Returners. Did we know either of those were coming?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 May, 2022, 12:44:16 PM
Updated list - only three unknowns left!

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 -
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 -
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 - The Returners
125 -
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 -
129 -
130 -
131 -
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 -
134 -
135 -
136 - The Fall of Deadworld
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7

10 gaps left. We know that the following 7 are coming, but not which volume numbers they'll be:

Devlin Waugh
Blunt
Necronauts
Samantha Slade
Blackhawk
Revere
Leviathan (probably in the same book as Necronauts)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 02 May, 2022, 01:20:16 PM
It looks increasingly like 'Stickleback' and 'The Order' will not get second books. Much to my chagrin.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 May, 2022, 02:43:08 PM
The Returners is a surprise. Not one I'm too fussed about myself, but a nice tribute to Si Spencer. Deadworld... I've been buying that in HC anyway. Roll on 124/125's announcements, then!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 02 May, 2022, 03:05:08 PM
Has anyone had any issues with Finn Volume 1 Book? Although arriving wrapped it seemed to have liquid or ink stain across front cover?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 May, 2022, 04:55:12 PM
Happy to see Deadworld's getting a 2nd book. Never quite got into The Returners though so less excited for that. Still better than Skip Tracer.

I'm starting to suspect Revere might end up in the same book as Leviathan and Necronauts so I reckon there might be 6 unknown slots still. Really hoping one of them is Stickleback, not sure there's enough of The Order left to fill another vol sadly. One of the unknowns has got to be a Dredd and I've got a hunch we might see Survival Geeks. I'm still vainly hoping that The Dead will make the cut but I suspect that's just a pipe dream unless there's a 4th extension (which I doubt).

No issues with my copy Finn Michael. Sounds like a misprint. They've been pretty good about replacing them (facebook seems to be the best contact route).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 02 May, 2022, 05:00:11 PM
I can't believe they're bothering with Samantha Slade.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 May, 2022, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 02 May, 2022, 01:20:16 PM
It looks increasingly like 'Stickleback' and 'The Order' will not get second books. Much to my chagrin.

the original books were literally complete at the time there was no chance of getting a second book of them
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 May, 2022, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 02 May, 2022, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 02 May, 2022, 01:20:16 PM
It looks increasingly like 'Stickleback' and 'The Order' will not get second books. Much to my chagrin.

the original books were literally complete at the time there was no chance of getting a second book of them

Not Stickleback - like Kingdom, there were two books left uncollected (Stickleback is now three).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 May, 2022, 07:08:11 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 02 May, 2022, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 02 May, 2022, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 02 May, 2022, 01:20:16 PM
It looks increasingly like 'Stickleback' and 'The Order' will not get second books. Much to my chagrin.

the original books were literally complete at the time there was no chance of getting a second book of them

Not Stickleback - like Kingdom, there were two books left uncollected (Stickleback is now three).

Giving it the perfect page count for another volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 02 May, 2022, 07:55:19 PM
Do we know when the next Stront Dogs books is due?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 02 May, 2022, 08:10:04 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 02 May, 2022, 07:55:19 PM
Do we know when the next Stront Dogs books is due?

Someone asked this on FB and they said

Quotevolume 3 of Strontium Dogs will be released towards the end of the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 May, 2022, 09:02:14 AM
Interesting to note that even Tharg doesn't know who A Ridgeway, credited with writing the last runs of Mean Arena, is - anyone on here got any ideas?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 May, 2022, 11:43:30 AM
Wondering if one volume will be enough to bring us right up to date with Fall Of Deadworld. Think it should just about squeeze into the page count. Really hope we do get all the Visions of Deadworld, those were some of my favourite strips last year.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 May, 2022, 04:01:23 AM
I got around to reading Mean Arena book 2.

While it's readable, I feel it's very much a product of its time.  It was kinda obvious who the last two members of the syndicate were, especially one of them when you saw silouhettes. The ending was kinda unsatisying and rather abrupt.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 14 May, 2022, 11:24:37 AM
Quote from: sintec on 08 May, 2022, 11:43:30 AM
Wondering if one volume will be enough to bring us right up to date with Fall Of Deadworld. Think it should just about squeeze into the page count. Really hope we do get all the Visions of Deadworld, those were some of my favourite strips last year.
My copies arrived today. Deadworld includes everything except the most recent FoD and Visions stories, Jessica and Transpolar.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 14 May, 2022, 11:36:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FStlAukXsAc_iib?format=jpg&name=large)
So who's the blue dog faced character and the lady with a quilted jacket?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 May, 2022, 01:43:14 PM
Think that's Wren from Brass Sun.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 14 May, 2022, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 14 May, 2022, 11:24:37 AM
Quote from: sintec on 08 May, 2022, 11:43:30 AM
Wondering if one volume will be enough to bring us right up to date with Fall Of Deadworld. Think it should just about squeeze into the page count. Really hope we do get all the Visions of Deadworld, those were some of my favourite strips last year.
My copies arrived today. Deadworld includes everything except the most recent FoD and Visions stories, Jessica and Transpolar.

Certainly will be picking this up.Maybe another announcement soon keep an eye on their web page
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 May, 2022, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 14 May, 2022, 11:24:37 AM
My copies arrived today. Deadworld includes everything except the most recent FoD and Visions stories, Jessica and Transpolar.

Anyone know if either of those in the 3rd Deadworld HC?
I'm hoping I'll be able to continue with book 4 without missing too much.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 May, 2022, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 May, 2022, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 14 May, 2022, 11:24:37 AM
My copies arrived today. Deadworld includes everything except the most recent FoD and Visions stories, Jessica and Transpolar.

Anyone know if either of those in the 3rd Deadworld HC?
I'm hoping I'll be able to continue with book 4 without missing too much.

The 3 hardcovers contain everything published in the prog so far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 May, 2022, 08:30:57 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 14 May, 2022, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: sintec on 14 May, 2022, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 14 May, 2022, 11:24:37 AM
My copies arrived today. Deadworld includes everything except the most recent FoD and Visions stories, Jessica and Transpolar.

Anyone know if either of those in the 3rd Deadworld HC?
I'm hoping I'll be able to continue with book 4 without missing too much.

The 3 hardcovers contain everything published in the prog so far.

Damn so that'll end up being ~18 pages of the strip I'll end up missing.That's annoying. Not sure I care enough to spend £20 to fill the gap though. I've got the digital progs if I want to reread them.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 May, 2022, 09:44:20 AM
Finished Mean Arena the second half definitely gets weirder, not sure that's really to it's benefit though. The introduction of more guns and odd scoring conditions just muddies the sport side of the strip. From the sudden wrap up I'm guessing editorial came to a similar conclusion.

Slaughterbowl is at least good OTT fun, it's basically Mario Kart meets Death Race 2000 with dinosaurs (what's not to like). The garish dayglo colour pallete perfectly suits it and it's short enough to not outstay it's welcome.

The In Detail section at the back then spends most of it's 8 pages talking about Harlem Heroes with just a couple of paragraphs at the end mentioning the strips we've just read. Can't help feeling we'd have been better served with 2 books of HH rather than Mean Arena. Looking at Barney the page counts are about the same (HH+Inferno is 295 to Mean's 288) so I'm not sure why they decided to go this way. This has been the weakest thrill of the whole UC imo and book 1 is probable the least likely vol of the UC to ever get a re-read (I might pick up 2 to read Slaughterbowl again someday).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 May, 2022, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: sintec on 19 May, 2022, 09:44:20 AM
Can't help feeling we'd have been better served with 2 books of HH rather than Mean Arena. Looking at Barney the page counts are about the same (HH+Inferno is 295 to Mean's 288) so I'm not sure why they decided to go this way.

Yep, two volumes that were an easy miss for me. Even Slaughterbowl can't convince me to get them! Mean Arena already lives in infamy as the strip that killed the Extreme Edition.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 21 May, 2022, 10:09:47 AM
so happy that i cherry picked the returners - which has just arrived.
i enjoyed this in the meg, but it's a powerful and transporting slow burn in this handsome collected volume. a lovely tribute to the late si spencer's underrated skills and smarts to give a volume of this series to his last and greatest work.
it's exciting and beautifully plotted, achieving that rare feat of handling a wide and disparate ensemble cast with a deft touch, while developing character through a really claustrophobic thriller. nicolo assirelli's art is a confident match.
so many are complaining about obvious tales being left out of the oc - but please give this atmospheric wonder a try before resenting its inclusion. it's a strange and memorable hermetic one-off.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 May, 2022, 12:19:58 PM
i am genuinly happy returners is in the uc. its genuinly one of my fave non lawless or post smith waugh strips in the meg in the past few years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 May, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
I remember giving one of the series a reread when it's run ended in the Meg (Chandu I think) and finding it read much better binged than it did in monthly segments. I've also never read the opening chapter as that was just before I started buying the Meg. So I'm quietly looking forward to revivisting this. It might not have been on my speculation list but I'm not disappointed at it's inclusion. I suspect I'll enjoy it more than I did the volume of Ennis era Strontium Dogs or the 2 books of Mean Arena.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 May, 2022, 01:46:57 PM
I'm surprised at The Returners being in there, but I certainly don't begrudge its inclusion over series I wanted to see collected but now won't be. Mean Arena, on the other hand...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 21 May, 2022, 02:14:36 PM
So with only a few unannounced issues what would people like to see, would love to of seen,

The dead
Armeggedeon
Pirates of the black Atlantic
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 May, 2022, 04:39:21 PM
An unlikely U-turn on Armoured Gideon. A Peter Milligan book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 May, 2022, 05:53:21 PM
A Harvey/Machine Law/Guatemala volume.
Armoured Gideon.
Survival Geeks.
The concluding books of Kingdom.
The Atavar trilogy.
More Lawless.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 May, 2022, 05:56:44 PM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 21 May, 2022, 10:09:47 AM
so happy that i cherry picked the returners - which has just arrived.

Very tempted by this. I loved the first Returners but drifted a little in the following two books, though was was always enough there to entertain and make me really want to re-read it. BUT getting the Meg Digitally its not as present to make me do that as readily do a nice hardcopy could well and tryly sort that!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 May, 2022, 07:11:29 PM
canon fodder is never happening and i have just learnt to accept this so i kinda want survival geeks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 May, 2022, 07:54:26 PM
Yeah I've been holding out on buying the Rebellion trades for recent Dredd hoping it'll turn up in here so 2nd Jimbo's shout for a Harvey/Machine Law/Guatemala vol. If we get more than 1 Dredd book then I hope the other one collects some of Niemand's Dredds.

Non-Dredd hopes:
The Dead (and other Milligan stories)
The Scarlet Apocrypha
Stickleback
Damnation Station
Savage (10-11 which like Gideon would require a u-turn)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 May, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
Oh and Ladykiller - would be really nice to round get the last(?) PJ Maybe story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 21 May, 2022, 11:39:47 PM
Well 150 is a nice round number...
Maybe we'll get a 10 issue extra expansion to the list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 22 May, 2022, 03:31:42 AM
Quote from: sintec on 19 May, 2022, 09:44:20 AM
Finished Mean Arena the second half definitely gets weirder, not sure that's really to it's benefit though. The introduction of more guns and odd scoring conditions just muddies the sport side of the strip. From the sudden wrap up I'm guessing editorial came to a similar conclusion.

That seems to be common in any future sports strip, the prime example of that was Harlem Heroes that had variant rules in every game almost.  The Siberian Wolves had a massive number of substitutes, the Japanese team had the katanas, the Teutonics had a different goal mouth etc.  In 'reality' it wouldn't have made any sense, can you imagine this in a sport like football where differing teams had different stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 22 May, 2022, 11:10:48 PM
Next few issues are up on the Hachette site.
124: Brass Sun Vol 2
125: Ro-Busters Vol 1
126: Revere

So no surprises there except Ro-Busters getting at least 2 vols.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 May, 2022, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 22 May, 2022, 11:10:48 PM
Next few issues are up on the Hachette site.
124: Brass Sun Vol 2
125: Ro-Busters Vol 1
126: Revere

So no surprises there except Ro-Busters getting at least 2 vols.

Not seeing these at all here https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/ am I looking in the wrong place?.

I'm not convinced there's enough 2000ad Ro-busters for more than one book though so that's definitely a surprise (unless they're going to reprint the Starlord stuff which seems doubtful). Was going to peer at the credits to see if I could work out which stories are in the Ro-busters vol and what other stories are appearing with Revere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 23 May, 2022, 09:17:09 AM
They're there, but no pictures yet:

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/l1072126/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2022, 09:18:55 AM
According to Barney, Ro-Busters in its 2000 AD incarnation has about 200 pages of strip. So perhaps it will dip into Starlord. If so, that's arguably the right decision, but I wish it had been made for Strontium Dog as well. It'll be interesting to see what's paired with Revere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 May, 2022, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2022, 09:18:55 AM
According to Barney, Ro-Busters in its 2000 AD incarnation has about 200 pages of strip. So perhaps it will dip into Starlord. If so, that's arguably the right decision, but I wish it had been made for Strontium Dog as well.

We've already had 60 pages of that in vol 4 of the ABC Warriors though (Hammerstein's War Memoirs and Ro-Jaws' Memoirs). So that only leaves 140 pages which is barely 1 book. I guess if they do all the Starlord strips that'd make it 2. Kinda hoping they don't do that tbh. I bought the Ro-busters HC a while back on the grounds that we wouldn't be getting the Starlord stuff here. Meh.

Quote from: Anthony Garnon on 23 May, 2022, 09:17:09 AM
They're there, but no pictures yet:

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/l1072126/

Huh - odd. I can see the Brass Sun one but the others are just dropping me back to the main UC page. I suspect someone has pushed a half formed update and is manically trying to sort their mess out behind the scenes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2022, 11:41:09 AM
Updated list - only two unknowns left!

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 -
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 -
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 - The Returners
125 -
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 -
129 -
130 - Ro-Busters 1
131 - Ro-Busters 2
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 -
134 - Revere
135 -
136 - The Fall of Deadworld
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7

Only 7 gaps left, and we know that the following 5 are coming:

Devlin Waugh
Blunt
Necronauts
Samantha Slade
Blackhawk
Leviathan (probably in the same book as Necronauts)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 23 May, 2022, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2022, 09:18:55 AM
It'll be interesting to see what's paired with Revere.

It'll be an irresistible cherry-pick regardless.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2022, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2022, 09:18:55 AM
According to Barney, Ro-Busters in its 2000 AD incarnation has about 200 pages of strip. So perhaps it will dip into Starlord.

Credits are Mills and Chris Lowder; Gibbons, Ian Kennedy and Carlos Pino.

Lowder, Pino and Kennedy only worked on the Starlord episodes of RB, of course, so that's one question solved!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 23 May, 2022, 06:15:27 PM
The Revere cover also credits Milligan and Belardinelli, so that'll be The Dead - will be great to have that in hardcover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 May, 2022, 06:49:00 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 23 May, 2022, 06:15:27 PM
The Revere cover also credits Milligan and Belardinelli, so that'll be The Dead - will be great to have that in hardcover.

Not quite the Milligan volume I'd been hoping for but I'm very happy we'll be getting The Dead. That was probably my top want for the extension so good news there.

Less excited about 2 volumes of Ro-busters as that's just duplicating stuff I already have. On the upside I think that does make it quite likely we'll be seeing Fallout in the 2nd ABCs book. Really hope they don't repeat the strips from ABC Warriors vol 4 in the second Ro-busters book but it feels like they'll be light on material if they don't. Hmmmm

Assuming Leviathan and Necronauts are sharing a volume there's enough space in there for a 3rd shortish story (50-60 pages would be perfect). Wonder what that'll be.

I'm growing increasingly concerned we won't be getting a 2nd book of Stickleback.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 23 May, 2022, 07:11:55 PM
Has Storming Heaven already been in TUC?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 May, 2022, 07:12:46 PM
could we get the starlord strontium dog now? i know its not all that much but maybe paired with tales from the dog house and the few bits of stront that never made it into the original run?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2022, 07:46:56 PM
I suppose it's possible, and given that the Rebellion HC has been out for some time, there's less likelihood of a sales clash. Although not I have that volume, I wouldn't get the Hachette one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2022, 07:48:25 PM
176 pages is a skinny one for the UC – getting close to those Marvel volumes. But... Revere + The Dead = pre-ordered on Forbidden Planet. Thank you, Matt Smith!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 24 May, 2022, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2022, 07:48:25 PM
Revere + The Dead = pre-ordered on Forbidden Planet. Thank you, Matt Smith!

Indeed!

According to Barney that combo is 158 pages. Is 18 pages too much for covers and reminiscence? Might there be a hidden Future Shock in there, like No Exit (Prog 559) or Bad Timing (Prog 375)?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 May, 2022, 01:29:12 PM
According to Barney, there are four pages of Revere art beyond the one for the cover, and one for The Dead (Boo's for the Extreme Edition). With half a dozen pages of back matter and then the intro pages, that might leave a smallish space for something else, but it'd be tight.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 25 May, 2022, 01:14:18 PM
Would the Revere and The Dead volume be worth picking up? I am totally unfamiliar with both strips and need someone to recommend or otherwise.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 25 May, 2022, 02:10:48 PM
The Dead is brilliant and I'm glad it about to be introduced to a new audience.

The art on Revere is great. I didn't like the story so much, but I know that others did.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 May, 2022, 03:02:24 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 25 May, 2022, 01:14:18 PMWould the Revere and The Dead volume be worth picking up? I am totally unfamiliar with both strips and need someone to recommend or otherwise.
I'd say they're both an acquired taste and different flavours of trippy. The Dead is more straightforward in 2000 AD terms, but elevated to weirdness by wonderful artwork. Revere is... very John Smith at his most John Smith. Simon Harrison's art might jar if you're new to it as well.

If you don't like it, you can always dump the book on eBay. Chances are, you'll make your money back anyway. (The Fr1day one I decided not to keep surprisingly sold for 15 quid, for example, making me my money back even when taking into account shipping and eBay fees.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 25 May, 2022, 03:55:33 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 25 May, 2022, 01:14:18 PM
Would the Revere and The Dead volume be worth picking up? I am totally unfamiliar with both strips and need someone to recommend or otherwise.
Two of the best strips ever to appear in the Prog. Either one would be worth the money. Both together is unbeatable value.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 25 May, 2022, 04:27:09 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 25 May, 2022, 01:14:18 PM
Would the Revere and The Dead volume be worth picking up? I am totally unfamiliar with both strips and need someone to recommend or otherwise.

These are two very unique and decidedly weird strips, both of them which I really enjoy. Revere in particular can be a challenge to get your head around, I've always found it rewarding though and Harrisons's art is like nothing else so it's a classic opinion divider I'd say. The Dead is arguably more linear with clearer storytelling and seems to have a lot of fans. I certainly enjoyed it and am looking forward to a reread. This will be one of the most esoteric volumes in the UC probably so it depends whether that appeals to you!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 25 May, 2022, 09:23:43 PM
Thanks for the feedback. The general consensus seems to be that it will be one worth picking up. I'll give it a go!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 25 May, 2022, 10:05:48 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 23 May, 2022, 07:11:55 PM
Has Storming Heaven already been in TUC?
Not yet!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 May, 2022, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: leethomson on 25 May, 2022, 10:05:48 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 23 May, 2022, 07:11:55 PM
Has Storming Heaven already been in TUC?
Not yet!

Their FB page has previously replied to say they "have no plans for Storming Heaven" sadly. https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/3143158559345788

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 26 May, 2022, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 25 May, 2022, 04:27:09 PM
Harrisons's art is like nothing else

Even now, in 2022, the artwork still resonates strongly, in particular Book III.
For my two Creds it's some of the most jaw dropping painted artwork to ever grace the Prog, save perhaps Biz and Fabry for some sequences of Slaine.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: credo on 26 May, 2022, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 26 May, 2022, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 25 May, 2022, 04:27:09 PM
Harrisons's art is like nothing else

Even now, in 2022, the artwork still resonates strongly, in particular Book III.
For my two Creds it's some of the most jaw dropping painted artwork to ever grace the Prog, save perhaps Biz and Fabry for some sequences of Slaine.

It's not even just the big splash pages (although they're great). The storytelling in that very first episode is brilliant. It's such a taut action sequence and absolutely hooked me on the story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 26 May, 2022, 08:18:05 PM
FB page confirming there will be more Dredd books but can't confirm titles or release dates. So those last two unknowns could well be Dredd?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 May, 2022, 08:31:25 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 26 May, 2022, 08:18:05 PM
FB page confirming there will be more Dredd books but can't confirm titles or release dates. So those last two unknowns could well be Dredd?

Books plural is a shame - it means no Survival Geeks hardcover!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 May, 2022, 09:21:59 PM
They didn't use the word books:

QuoteThere will be some more Dredd stories but we're unable to confirm the titles at the moment. Please keep an eye on our website for future titles.

That's ambiguous enough that it could be 2 6 pages strips or 2 entiire volumes. With only 2 unknowns left I'm sorta hoping it's just one book. Although personally I'd rather a second volume of Stickleback than Survival Geeks but either would make a fine addition to the series.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 May, 2022, 10:22:19 PM
"The best of Sonny Steelgrave"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 26 May, 2022, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 May, 2022, 10:22:19 PM
"The best of Sonny Steelgrave"

Followed by The Worst of Bish-Op! Soul Sisters! The Straitjacket Fits! Dead Man Walking!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 27 May, 2022, 06:57:11 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 May, 2022, 10:22:19 PM
"The best of Sonny Steelgrave"

Why no Hershey volume?
I cannot be the only person who liked those stories in the megazine..
I assume the new ones written by Rob Williams are good too...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 May, 2022, 07:35:57 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 27 May, 2022, 06:57:11 AM
Why no Hershey volume?
...
I assume the new ones written by Rob Williams are good too...

They really are, but manage to stir up a hornets nest of controversy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 May, 2022, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 27 May, 2022, 06:57:11 AM
Why no Hershey volume?
I cannot be the only person who liked those stories in the megazine..
I assume the new ones written by Rob Williams are good too...

The new ones have fairly recently had a webshop exclusive HC which might make Rebellion less keen to put them in this collection as it might cannibalise sales. While I'm not the biggest fan of the Hershey spin off I'd rather have those here than Mean Arena, the art is fantastic.

Tbh I think there's still material for another extension - question is are the sales still there to support it?
I'd be happy to see any of the following get included in the collection.

Return to Armageddon
Brigand Doom
Armoured Gideon
Scarlet Traces 1
Scarlet Traces 2
Durham Red (incl Scarlet apocrypha)
Damnation Station
Survival Geeks
Stickleback vol 2
Kingdom vol 3
Flesh vol 2
Shako + Ant Wars
Savage vol 4
Mambo
3rillers
Milligan collection (Shadows, Freaks, Conterfeit Girl)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2022, 08:56:25 AM
Another extension would require reasonable sales and also willingness from both parties. As you say, there's easily enough material for another ten books of objectively solid quality — in fact, that list looks better than the average quality in the current extension. The question is whether it's worth everyone's time at this stage in the publication's lifecycle.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 May, 2022, 10:17:58 AM
Yeah I reckon they could do another 20 books and keep the quality pretty high. Whether that's viable probably comes down to how many subscribers are still signed up tbh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 May, 2022, 10:50:12 AM
Yep. Hard to know what the drop-off is like for this kind of thing. I imagine there is a gradual shift as the collection goes on, but at some point it must be reasonably slow, because people are in it for the long haul. That said, I stepped off at this new extension and imagine I wasn't alone.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 09 June, 2022, 08:31:30 AM
Can anyone confirm what Brass Sun Vol 2 includes yet?

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 June, 2022, 10:47:04 PM
all the rest of brass sun thats not in vol 1

thats all
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 10 June, 2022, 08:05:31 AM
That's great. I wasn't sure it would be worth double-dipping on the Rebellion hardcover if this one didn't go right up to date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 10 June, 2022, 10:28:21 AM
Late to the party I know, but MY GOD Cradlegrave is good. Some of the stuff in there is very disturbing by the prog's standards.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 10 June, 2022, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 10 June, 2022, 10:28:21 AM
Late to the party I know, but MY GOD Cradlegrave is good. Some of the stuff in there is very disturbing by the prog's standards.

Great isn't it? So incredibly atmospheric.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 10 June, 2022, 08:11:52 PM
Is Brass Sun ever coming back? It's been four years!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 June, 2022, 09:21:57 PM
Quote from: Richard on 10 June, 2022, 08:11:52 PM
Is Brass Sun ever coming back? It's been four years!

It's Edginton! Stickleback was gone for six; Helium's been gone for eight!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 10 June, 2022, 11:19:37 PM
Alright then, we need to shackle him to a desk.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 10 June, 2022, 11:26:13 PM
Quote from: Richard on 10 June, 2022, 11:19:37 PM
Alright then, we need to shackle him to a desk.

Don't threaten him with a good time!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 11 June, 2022, 11:58:31 AM
123 and 124 delivered today the returners is a large volume
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 June, 2022, 04:24:32 PM
Got them too. A great pair! I didn't read the first part of Returners as I came on with 400, will be good to know how it began.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 June, 2022, 03:24:48 PM
Ro- Busters 1 is here!

Contents is all the Starlord strips (with colour spreads intact); Earthquake Control, from the 1978 Starlord Annual; and Death on the Orient Express.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 June, 2022, 10:43:12 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 17 June, 2022, 03:24:48 PM
Ro- Busters 1 is here!

Contents is all the Starlord strips (with colour spreads intact); Earthquake Control, from the 1978 Starlord Annual; and Death on the Orient Express.

Is that basically identical to The Complete Nuts and Bolts vol 1 minus the 2 memoirs stories that we've already had in ABC Warriors vol 4 (I'd check but my copy is buried somewhere in a mountain of boxes while I'm doing some redecorating)?

I guess book 2 will be Terra-Meks, Fall and Rise, the remaining annual stories and Ro-jaws RoboTales. Hopefully they won't repeat the bits we've already had. Might end up selling my Nuts and Bolts books as I don't think I need 2 copies of all of this.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 June, 2022, 09:01:51 AM
The Returners reads so much better in collected form that it did serialised in the Meg. I missed the first part which didn't help and I have no recollection of having read the last part (although I've read those issues of the Meg so must have done so as I don't tend to skip stuff). Reading it in a couple of sittings the character work from Si really shines through as our reluctant band of misfits try to discover what's going on while surviving the various different environments they find themselves in. The art is fantastic throughout with loads of big splash pages and wide panels. Really glad this got included here and definitely worth a cherry-pick for those on the fence about it.

Also good news in the backup material in the 2nd Brass Sun volume.
QuoteEdington and Culbard are still planning to reunite for a sixth series at some point in the near future. "That's the plan!" says Edginton. "We've both been off doing other things, so getting our schedules to line up has been tricky. But I'm getting all the scripts written so that as soon as Ian is free, he can jump on them."

"I hope it will happen at some point soon" adds Culbard, who is confident that he can simultaneously juggle working on both Brass Sun and Brink. "Book five of Brass Sun was drawn at the same time as Brink book two, so it's entirely possible!"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 21 June, 2022, 02:50:43 PM
I've got the big 'phone book' edition of To Busters, with the black and yellow cover and the characters on front. Is this the same as the book that was printed later with Charlie on the front.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 June, 2022, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 21 June, 2022, 02:50:43 PM
I've got the big 'phone book' edition of To Busters, with the black and yellow cover and the characters on front. Is this the same as the book that was printed later with Charlie on the front.

The book with the Charlie cover was Book 2 of 2. Between them they reprinted the whole of Ro-Busters - so, essentially the same as the phonebook - but with all the colour pages in colour rather than in murky black-and-white.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 June, 2022, 04:41:16 PM
i could never part with my phonebook i got it signed by dave gibbons
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 23 June, 2022, 02:15:47 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 22 June, 2022, 04:41:16 PM
i could never part with my phonebook i got it signed by dave gibbons

I know that feeling, I have all the Starblazer digest comics that ran from 1979 to 1993, and I have the issues done by Grant Morrison signed by him. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 24 June, 2022, 07:46:37 PM
next 3 books are on hatchetts website

Sinister dexter vol 5 138

samantha slade robohunter 135

robusters vol 2 131

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 24 June, 2022, 09:27:30 PM
Updated list - though this doesn't really change too much.

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 -
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 -
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 - The Returners
125 -
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 -
129 -
130 - Ro-Busters 1
131 - Ro-Busters 2
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 -
134 - Revere
135 - Samantha Slade
136 - The Fall of Deadworld
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7

Only 6 gaps left, and we know that the following 4/5 are coming:

Devlin Waugh
Blunt
Necronauts
Blackhawk
Leviathan (probably twinned with Necronauts)
[/quote]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 24 June, 2022, 09:51:13 PM
I guess that 'Stickleback' volume 2 is not going to make it. A real shame.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 25 June, 2022, 03:54:36 AM
Huh.
A real pity we are not getting the Hogan / Hughes Robo-Hunter strips.

They have never been reprinted in colour.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 June, 2022, 10:33:50 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 24 June, 2022, 09:27:30 PM
Only 6 gaps left, and we know that the following 4/5 are coming:

Devlin Waugh
Blunt
Necronauts
Blackhawk
Leviathan (probably twinned with Necronauts)

They've confirmed there will be more Dredd so I think it's a safe bet there'll be a Dredd volume too. Still got my fingers crossed the one unknown will be a 2nd Stickleback vol.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 June, 2022, 12:44:17 PM
Hogan/Hughes would have been quite good in the Samantha Slade book, upping the quality level a bit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 25 June, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
Seriously, why are they bothering with Samantha Slade at all? It's the worst thing to appear in the prog since Rebellion took over.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 June, 2022, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Richard on 25 June, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
Seriously, why are they bothering with Samantha Slade at all? It's the worst thing to appear in the prog since Rebellion took over.

How quickly we forget Stalag 666!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 June, 2022, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: Richard on 25 June, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
Seriously, why are they bothering with Samantha Slade at all? It's the worst thing to appear in the prog since Rebellion took over.
I thought it was variable, albeit between readable and terrible. I know some folks here like it, but, yeah, it's an odd one. Perhaps it's a low-effort volume in the files being readily accessible and the brand (Sam Slade) appealing. Compare to, say, Armoured Gideon, which would have presumably required scanning/cleaning up and also isn't well known at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 25 June, 2022, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 25 June, 2022, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Richard on 25 June, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
Seriously, why are they bothering with Samantha Slade at all? It's the worst thing to appear in the prog since Rebellion took over.

How quickly we forget Stalag 666!

Or Dead Man Walking!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 June, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 25 June, 2022, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 25 June, 2022, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Richard on 25 June, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
Seriously, why are they bothering with Samantha Slade at all? It's the worst thing to appear in the prog since Rebellion took over.

How quickly we forget Stalag 666!

Or Dead Man Walking!

I've said it before and I'll say it again I like Dead Man Walking. Don't listen to Bishop it's not like he has any to say on the matte...

...the want...

...writer you say...

...oh...

Well I still like it...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Proudhuff on 25 June, 2022, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 25 June, 2022, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Richard on 25 June, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
Seriously, why are they bothering with Samantha Slade at all? It's the worst thing to appear in the prog since Rebellion took over.

How quickly we forget Stalag 666!


What was that?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 26 June, 2022, 04:16:16 PM
Most of my copies are still in cellophane so I'm getting through reading them in fits and starts.

am struggling with ABC Warriors though. Just started Book 3 after slogging through 2. Maybe its because every episode feels quite packed. I think it's one of those strange strips that is actually better weekly rather than collected.

In comparison I'm streaking through SinDex 3.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 June, 2022, 08:20:47 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 26 June, 2022, 04:16:16 PM
Most of my copies are still in cellophane so I'm getting through reading them in fits and starts.

am struggling with ABC Warriors though. Just started Book 3 after slogging through 2. Maybe its because every episode feels quite packed. I think it's one of those strange strips that is actually better weekly rather than collected.

In comparison I'm streaking through SinDex 3.

I found Khronicles Of Khaos and Hellbringer a bit of a slog. They look gorgeous but the story is not Pat's finest hour. For me things picked up after that, which is about the middle of this volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 27 June, 2022, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 25 June, 2022, 03:51:20 PM
What was that?

I envy you!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 July, 2022, 06:57:25 PM
I read the Ro-Busters book and it was nice that the Starlord stories were included.  No offence to the 2000ad artists but I really liked the Starlord art, though the 2000ad stuff was very good.

I can swear there's a story in that book that wasn't in the 'phone book' edition I have.

I am guessing that the books listed are the final ones, we won't be getting another extension?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 July, 2022, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 02 July, 2022, 06:57:25 PM
I am guessing that the books listed are the final ones, we won't be getting another extension?

They've not announced anything else yet so right now there are 8 more deliveries (16 books) for subscribers. Of course they could post up tomorrow that they've decided to add another 10-20 books. Not sure how much notice they generally give of these things. List of remaining titles (in no particular order) is:

ABC Warriors vol 8
Strontium Dogs vol 3
Blackhawk
Leviathan + Necronauts
Dredd
Finn Vol 2
Devlin Waugh
Blunt
Ro-busters vol 1
Ro-busters vol 2
Revere + The Dead
Samantha Slade
Sinister Dexter Vol 5
Sinister Dexter Vol 6
Sinister Dexter Vol 7
<one unknown volume... please be Stickleback vol2>
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 03 July, 2022, 10:35:31 AM
I sort of hope they add another 20 or so.There's plenty more to add.Be sad to see it go
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2022, 01:55:17 PM
I think it's been a great success but the second extension is objectively worse than the first. The question now is what's left. Diminishing returns? And I mean that in every sense. Subscribers will drift. What's left in the pot is worse quality fare, for the most part. And those comics will require more effort to get into print.

I'm hard pressed to think of anything beyond Armoured Gideon I'd have bought in another extension, aside from a couple of series being 'completed' (most notably Kingdom).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 03 July, 2022, 02:13:30 PM
I can't see enough quality for another 10 books, but if they did extend I'd need to know what would be included to stay onboard
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 July, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
I must admit that I'm really starting to flag.  I'm always looking for new reading material, but I started the second Fall of Deadworld book last night and though I'd been looking forward to it, I'm finding it a bit of a slog.  It's not the most uplifting of material and seems rather chaotic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 04 July, 2022, 07:47:41 AM
the memelord in me would not mind a canon fodder book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 04 July, 2022, 08:13:22 AM
What about Luke Kirby? Or is there a rights issue?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 July, 2022, 08:24:43 AM
Given that Rebellion put out its own Luke Kirby book, I imagine that's safe territory and the repro exists. That said, Zenith was also conspicuously absent from this collection, so who knows what the current state is with those strips?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 July, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Revere just arrived. I don't have my EEs to hand, but it looks pretty good. Repro on The Dead is solid. Revere has some moire issues, but not everywhere and I supposed that's the be expected with material from this era. Looks like the back is mostly a Simon Harrison interview.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 04 July, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Zenith seems like an odd thing to leave out. A terrible decision in fact!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 July, 2022, 07:13:52 PM
I caught up on a couple of the books recently.

Mean Arena was definitely very much of its time and in my mind at least seems by far the worst of the sports stories.  I'm not a sports fan but I did find something to like in Harlem Heroes and Inferno (which unfortunately seemed to end all too suddenly), but Mean Arena was just meh.

Finn....I'm really not too sure on this book.  Okay in places but had moments of extreme character stupidity.  Prime example being the glamorous medical researcher who only existed to be bumped off by the bad guys, but what do you expect when she pulls a blonde moment and goes "Hah, I've realised you're doing evil, you won't get away with it".

Fall of Deadworld jumps around a lot but might read better if I reread book 1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 05 July, 2022, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Richard on 04 July, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Zenith seems like an odd thing to leave out. A terrible decision in fact!

I wonder if - as with Luke Kirby - they didn't want to risk giving Morrison (and McKenzie) a potential new avenue for legal action by licensing a UK edition to another publisher?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 05 July, 2022, 07:35:12 PM
it's got to be something like that, right, regarding two of the best stories ever to grace the prog?
(by the by, does anyone know anything about what the ridgway, yeowell and parkhouse stances on these webs have been over the years?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 July, 2022, 11:33:01 AM
I read Revere/The Dead last night and this morning. Revere still holds up pretty well – I was expecting the third arc to be punishing, but it works within its own odd reality. I'd forgotten how fast it moves. It comes across like an oddball indie movie.

The Dead didn't quite have the same pull, being a bit captions heavy for modern eyes. Fludd is also (with justification) a bit of an unlikeable prick. Lovely art, though, and a smart pairing by Matt. I'm cherry picking now and reselling anything I decide I don't want to keep from this second extension (hello, War Machine!), but this one's a keeper.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 July, 2022, 02:24:09 AM
I really hope the Dredd book we are still to get will have Pirates of the Black Atlantic in it.  It seemed such an odd omission in the Dredd collection.

I've never read Samantha Slade, but Sam Slade itself didn't date particularly well in my opinion and I've not heard anything good about this.  It seems an odd thing to put in an 'Ultimate' collection even taking into account what is greatest or ultimate is all a matter of ones own perspective.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 July, 2022, 02:26:49 PM
It really is an odd one. I can only imagine it's in the mix because 1) Robo-Hunter as a whole remains popular, and 2) it's all in digital already and so easy enough to compile (vs, say, something that needs scanning/cleaning up).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: XRayLexx on 14 July, 2022, 07:34:00 PM
Eaglemoss going under has no connection to Hachette does it?
We are so close to the end...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 July, 2022, 08:04:21 PM
Similar business models but different companies.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 15 July, 2022, 12:29:54 AM
Hachette released a statement on their FB pages;
QuoteWe are very sad to hear that one of our competitors, Eaglemoss, has gone into administration.

We would like to take the opportunity to reassure everyone that Hachette Partworks is part of a large publishing group and remains completely stable and committed to all our current customers, as well as to developing and launching new Partwork collections for the foreseeable future.

Kinda funny how Hachette have made more of an effort to reach out to Eaglemoss customers than Eaglemoss has. Only got the DC Collection from them but from what I've heard a lot of the models they put out were pretty high quality, filled a niche and had a lot of talent behind them. My partners happy that there's one less collection now though  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 15 July, 2022, 08:00:32 AM
I would have loved to do eaglemoss dc collection but its stacked full of books that you need to pay extra for and books you only got as a subscriber and i'm like no thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 15 July, 2022, 08:53:08 AM
Yeah, I missed out on the subscriber books as I got the main issues and standard specials from Forbidden Planet. Funnily enough the Green Lantern sub exclusive books were all added to their online store with a pretty deep discount a couple weeks ago. That should have probably been a pretty big red flag tbh
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 July, 2022, 08:54:42 AM
If I were Hachette Partworks, I'd put serious thought into seeing whether it's viable to take over some of the big model sets that were nearing completion, like Ghostbusters. The goodwill would be immense. (Natch, there would be a great many complications in doing so, however.)

As for Eaglemoss, I suspect the lack of contact is down to there being no-one to do it. Smart of Hachette to at least reassure its own customers, though. (I have a small number of the Batman and DC books, some from Zavvi sales and mostly from a massive box of Batman books I bought off of someone local. They were good for getting some key stories in HC.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 15 July, 2022, 03:01:39 PM

There is perhaps no one working at Eaglemoss to post any updates or a disgruntled ex employee changed all the passwords who knows ?

With their various partworks (models and graphic novels) Hachette did the right things to reassure its customers though there will some with incomplete collections nervous to start anything new or stop what they are collecting in fear of it nor been complete.  With the way the partwork market is at the moment Hachette may not extend 2000ad Ultimate Collection its really hard to know as the new Marvel and Dc collections seem to do well in my local newsagent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 July, 2022, 03:32:32 PM
Marvel is an easier ask. First, it has a lot more content to draw from. Secondly, the series was 'rebooted' and so two versions are running in parallel, giving Hachette a second bite of the cherry for what's essentially a reprint run.

With 2000 AD, we're at the point of diminishing returns. Most of what's available has been collected. Certainly, those strips that exist in digital and that wouldn't cannibalise Rebellion's own volumes are surely now mostly in the wild. There will be exceptions, sure, but enough for another ten books? 20? And how many subscribers are still on board?

I'll be amazed if the 2000 AD collection doesn't wrap as planned. But, honestly, I'm amazed – and grateful – it exists at all. I never thought I'd see the day where I'd have a complete set of Nikolai Dante or Red Seas in HC. And while there have been some downsides – a bit too much cruft in the initial 80 books; Hachette's irritating insistence on not putting titles on the spines – it's on the whole a great run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 15 July, 2022, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 15 July, 2022, 03:32:32 PM
I'm amazed – and grateful – it exists at all. I never thought I'd see the day where I'd have a complete set of Nikolai Dante or Red Seas in HC.

I heartily agree. As a cherry picker it's been a treat collecting those two series in lovely hardbacks, and quite a few others besides.  Having Kingdom and loads of John Smith, for example in this format - didn't think this would ever happen!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 19 July, 2022, 08:22:21 PM
Finally got around to Nikolai Dante and binged the whole series in a week. What an incredibly impressive (and violent, and funny, and sexy, and sad) piece of work. I'm going to choose to read the ending as "open." I had my heart broken too many times during the course of the series to end up having it completely shattered by the final three pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 19 July, 2022, 09:50:09 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 19 July, 2022, 08:22:21 PM
Finally got around to Nikolai Dante and binged the whole series in a week. What an incredibly impressive (and violent, and funny, and sexy, and sad) piece of work.

Arguably the greatest series of the post-'Golden Age' prog to date. Certainly the most impressive long-form series 2000AD has run to date* — I don't think there's been another strip that's racked up so many episodes, at such consistent quality, whilst being unafraid to upend its own status quo on a regular basis. I won't deny there were books that landed better with some readers than others but, overall, it's a mighty piece of work.

* Brink might take this title**, but (without checking) I think it has a very long way to go in terms of episodes published.

** By which I mean strips that have a clear end in mind from the start. I dunno... maybe Dan and Ian reckon they can continue Brink indefinitely, in which case I'll disqualify it from this statement. Hopefully, though, you see the distinction I'm making between Dante and, say, Dredd, or Strontium Dog, or Slaine...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 July, 2022, 09:58:59 AM
Yeah. Dante had a beginning, a middle and an end. It evolved and it concluded. Strontium Dog ended well, but that wasn't where it was supposed to stop. That was just luck. (And whatever Mills claims about Sláine, I will never believe it was the intent to end on that series. It feels like he was happy with it being the end, which is good for Mills, but that's an entirely different thing.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 20 July, 2022, 02:18:44 PM
Nikolai Dante was entertaining at the beginning, but slightly uneven as if it wasn't sure what it wanted to be, whether more comedy or series, but it very quickly evolved.  Even the slightly shaky first book had enough to keep me wanting more and look forward to the next.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 21 July, 2022, 07:54:41 AM
Whether it means anything or not, my local WHS got *three* copies of the latest edition in yesterday (Sinister Dexter vol 5), which meant I was able to pick one up, having sussed they now stock it *behind the counter on the high shelf*, not actually on the shop floor like things they want people to buy. Previously we've been lucky to get a single one, and then not every time.

Anyway, I can't wait to get to this- despite at this point that looks like being Monday at the earliest.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 July, 2022, 08:37:20 AM
What stories are we getting in that Sin Dex volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 July, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
I don't recall ever seeing this collection in my WHSmith. Our McColl's got in the first issue, but that was it. (Our WHSmith is good for comics. It stocks almost everything you can think of, bar The Phoenix. But it doesn't do comic partworks very often.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 July, 2022, 03:49:41 AM
sinister dexter contains

and Death shall have no dumb minions

Festive spirits

[spoiler]Malone[/spoiler]

Places to go, People to do

pros and cons

Christmas Time

The Last Thing I Do

The Doctor is in

normal service
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 July, 2022, 04:17:11 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 July, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
I don't recall ever seeing this collection in my WHSmith. Our McColl's got in the first issue, but that was it. (Our WHSmith is good for comics. It stocks almost everything you can think of, bar The Phoenix. But it doesn't do comic partworks very often.)

I barely see it in any shelves.  Very occasionally, but Smiths has been very good about ordering it for me.  There was only one hiccup and that when either a 2000ad or Dredd volume was badly damaged and a replacement had to be got.  It took a while but they got it.

It's easier to find odd parts of the Marvel or DC partworks on the shelf though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 24 July, 2022, 05:46:08 PM
The only thing I'd ever read of 2000 AD was Judge Dredd and watching the Future Shock documentary got me interested in the universe so I signed up when this was announced.

And I gotta say this collection has been an absolute godsend, I've discovered so many great new characters and books that quickly became favorites

- Nicolai Dante (Shot up to my top 5 books ever)
- Strontium Dog
- Grey Area
- The Mean Arena

The only issue is when this ends I'm gonna have to go and fill in gaps that the collection missed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 25 July, 2022, 02:55:56 PM
That's great to hear! What a way to get introduced to 2000AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 05 August, 2022, 12:14:06 PM
New issues are up on Hachette's site, 130 is Devlin Waugh, 131 is Blunt and 132 is ABC Warriors: Return to Ro-Busters
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 August, 2022, 12:44:38 PM
Updated list -

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 -
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 -
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 - The Returners
125 - Devlin Waugh
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 -
129 -
130 - Ro-Busters 1
131 - Ro-Busters 2
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 - Blunt
134 - Revere
135 - Samantha Slade
136 - The Fall of Deadworld
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7

A mere 4 gaps left now(!), and we know that the following are coming:

Dredd
Necronauts
Blackhawk
Leviathan

So with Necronauts almost certainly twinned with Leviathan (but not confirmed), does that leave us with one final unknown? Or perhaps two Dredd books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 05 August, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
Have we had any indication of what's in the Dredd book? I'd assume that a "Best of John Wagner" book is out of the question thanks to the recent hardcover - but maybe a mash-up volume of outstanding Wagner & Grant stories, or even more recent stories like Guatemala / End of Days?

I'd predict that the last unknown is a 2nd Lawless volume, especially after the UC is now giving us a Waugh volume not published in the MC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 August, 2022, 01:40:27 PM
The fact it's a new authors revival of the character makes it feel like the Devlin book will stand alone from the MC vols fairly well. A Lawless book dropping into the story after the end of the MC book might be tougher. Still holding out for a 2nd Stickleback vol here
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 05 August, 2022, 08:09:53 PM
What about a Chimpsky or just Ken N book? His recent stories would make a great collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 August, 2022, 10:15:46 AM
A book of Niemand Dredd would be awesome
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 August, 2022, 11:26:22 AM
I wonder how much of the Kot Devlin we get in that book. Curious they go all-in on the lesser run by McConville and don't even mention Kot in the write-up but perhaps it's more palatable to the masses.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 August, 2022, 07:19:12 PM
Books arrived yesterday and I've been off work sick today. As a consequence I've been tearing through vol5 of Sinister Dexter. It really is superb stuff. [spoiler]Malone is very well played and I can imagine the reveal was quite the twist when it originally ran. It still works well even published as part of the collection (although clearly the twist is a bit of a foregone conclusion). Then that's followed up with some gritty prison drama and a top notch prison break.[/spoiler] It's top shelf thrills all the way. This would make a great Netflix series.

I've been interspersing episodes of Samantha Slade to try and keep thrillpower levels in check.  I'm hating it less than I expected. The art is great so far (although from the intro I'm expecting that to drop off soonish). Some of the gags aren't all that funny but the story moves at a pace is isn't boring. It's not as good as Robo-hunter at it's best (Verdus, Farewell) but it's way better than Robo-hunter at it's worst (Football Crazy).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 12 August, 2022, 12:00:18 AM
How is Blunt overall? Skipped over the 2nd and 3rd series as the first had already finished by the time I started picking up the meg. I've really enjoyed Eglington's work on other series but a fairly recent Dredd-verse meg series feels like a weird inclusion for the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 August, 2022, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 12 August, 2022, 12:00:18 AM
How is Blunt overall? Skipped over the 2nd and 3rd series as the first had already finished by the time I started picking up the meg. I've really enjoyed Eglington's work on other series but a fairly recent Dredd-verse meg series feels like a weird inclusion for the collection.

Like you I missed series one but I did read 2 and 3 when they were in the Meg. From what I've read it seemed fine if not mind blowing. I suspect, much like Returners, it'll read better collected than it did serialised monthly. I suspect the reason for inclusion might be more down to wanting to get a series illustrated by Boo Cook into the collection. His art adorns the spines of every volume but up til now has rarely been on the pages (from my notes looks like just a single ABC Warriors story). Harry Kipling would be too short for a volume so I guess Blunt was the obvious choice.

Just finished both this months books. Samantha Slade really does fall off the rails in the last story. Sinister Dexter on the other hand nicely resets the status quo ready to head into the next arc. Can't wait for the next volume, looking at Barney looks like that's going to be mostly Anthony Williams on art duties which is fine with me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 12 August, 2022, 01:49:03 PM
Yeah. Love Boo Cook's work when he burst onto the scene. Have we really not had Asylum?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 17 August, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
I'm loving this collection but lord above I get annoyed when certain stories are just left hanging like
- Brass Sun
- Grey Area
- Kingdom

I know it's not the fault of the collection but damn just when I'm really getting into something *boom* End.

I'd love to see Mambo in the collection, I saw her in the 1994 2000 AD advert (On youtube) and she looks cool
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 August, 2022, 12:19:39 PM
Quote from: cropsy13 on 17 August, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
I'm loving this collection but lord above I get annoyed when certain stories are just left hanging like
- Brass Sun
- Grey Area
- Kingdom

I totally agree, but I would say that Grey Area does have a (soft) ending*. Abnett's very good at giving his strips these soft endings before he moves on to something else so that, even if he doesn't go back, the strip does have some measure of ending - it hasn't just stopped dead, or been left on a cliffhanger. I wish he would teach Ian Edginton!

*Kingdom too, but we didn't get that far in the UC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 August, 2022, 12:32:56 PM
The nature of the beast, I guess. We had the same with the Dredd collection and Lawless. But it is a pity that Kingdom at least wasn't taken through to the current final strip. I've since bought the relevant trade. Did the same with Lawless, which was even more frustrating, since the Dredd collection contains the first 1.5 books, and I'm not keen on double dipping.

Hmm. Now wondering about Spink & Thackray (https://www.spinkandthackray.com/services/comic-book-binding/) again, and if they can 'match up' to the UC sizes...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 18 August, 2022, 10:37:28 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 August, 2022, 12:32:56 PM
Hmm. Now wondering about Spink & Thackray (https://www.spinkandthackray.com/services/comic-book-binding/) again
Crikey, those binding prices have seen some inflation since Hollingworth & Moss were doing it!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 28 August, 2022, 07:17:02 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 August, 2022, 12:32:56 PM
The nature of the beast, I guess. We had the same with the Dredd collection and Lawless. But it is a pity that Kingdom at least wasn't taken through to the current final strip. I've since bought the relevant trade. Did the same with Lawless, which was even more frustrating, since the Dredd collection contains the first 1.5 books, and I'm not keen on double dipping.

Hmm. Now wondering about Spink & Thackray (https://www.spinkandthackray.com/services/comic-book-binding/) again, and if they can 'match up' to the UC sizes...

I didn't get the Dredd collection so I'm getting Lawless through the normal trades.

The rest of Kingdom I'll get in due time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 August, 2022, 01:51:08 PM
Well as surmised, Ro-Busters II contains Terra-Meks (with the colour spread in colour) and Rise and Fall... as the meat of the book. Beyond that you get 7 Annual stories, at least one of which I've never seen reprinted before, plus The Inside Story from prog 144. So a fairly comprehensive collection - just a shame that the two 'origin' stories ended up in an ABCs book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 30 August, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
Dark Jimbo- Could you say which annual story it features that has not been reprinted before? Did this particular story not make it into 'Ro-Busters: Complete Nuts and Bolts' volume 1 or 2?
Thank you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 31 August, 2022, 10:19:53 AM
I'm so ready for this collection to be over now. It's been a while since a new book immediately jumped to the bedside table (reading Brink 2 slowly). With the Batman collection biting the dust this will be my last Partwork for sure. Five more deliveries is it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 August, 2022, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 31 August, 2022, 10:19:53 AM
Five more deliveries is it?

I make it six. The next two being:


That takes us up to issue 132 so another 8 issues after that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 31 August, 2022, 08:24:55 PM
It does seem that the extension has been grasping at straws.  I don't want to end it this far in, but the later books have been very hit and miss.  I've got five or six still in their plastic waiting to be read while I'm rereading some of the Dredd collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 September, 2022, 09:56:21 AM
If only we'd got that Armoured Gideon book, it all could have been so different!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 01 September, 2022, 11:46:11 PM
devlin waugh frustatingly for me only goes up a question of trust
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 September, 2022, 09:16:29 AM
So it misses out The Reckoning? Argh. Might skip that one, then. I don't really care about the Rory McConville stuff – I'd have really liked a Kot volume. But the natural end point is surely the series that ran last year? Bah.

Edit: Looks like it's the Blood Debt trade, then, plus 422/423/430 single-parters. I assume the next Rebellion trade will include those, Question of Trust, Lord of Lies and The Reckoning. Would have preferred HC. Alas.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 02 September, 2022, 11:09:48 PM
Saying that, I have had a bit of a malaise recently, I've got at least five books to read, but at the same time I started a Peter May crime novel which I haven't managed to get far into.  He's a damned good writer and very compelling but I can't seem to get into it well.

The first extension was good, and when some books were duplicates of what I had, I had a friend to send my duplicates.  For instance the first two Savage books after Invasion, they are hard to get hold of in paperback and my friend had Invasion, so he got them.  The first extension was fairly strong, and while opinions are subjective, I wonder why some stuff got picked as "best as".  Im no Slaine fan, but it has a strong following, so no argument there, but Mercy Heights?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 September, 2022, 11:48:35 PM
It's an odd one. You could easily cut 15 books from the Dredd collection and lose nothing. There was a lot of fat in those first 80 volumes. But the extension was much more essential: I recall Wogue Wobots and Dead End weren't great, but they were still readable.

The UC began more like an essentials rather than casting the net wide. Although objective quality was variable, it's hard to know what you'd cut, if you're going for completism with key stories. I might not care for Invasion, but it's hard to begrudge its inclusion, nor pretty much anything else in that set of books.

With the first extension, I mostly felt the same. Greysuit can get in the sea, and Mercy Heights isn't much cop. But it's still pretty cracking up to 111. With the second extension, it feels like the wheels came off a bit, notably with the forgettable Samantha Slide and Mean Arena – so bad it killed the Extreme Edition. That said, I suspect if I didn't already own Brass Sun, Ro-Busters and Deadworld in HC, I might have stuck it out.

I do wish a few of the weaker strips could have been replaced with something better, mind. Still, I'm glad we've got what we've got. And even though I'm very much cherry picking now, I'm happy with my HC Cradlegrave and Revere volumes – and a little sad it seems like they're the last I'll be buying. It's been a good run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 September, 2022, 08:59:03 AM
You not getting Leviathan or the SinDex vols Indigo?

For me the SinDex books have been the pick of this 2nd extension. The Mean arena, Sam Slade and the Ro-busters books I could have lived without (the latter cos I picked up the complete nuts and bolts a while back when they said they wouldn't be including the Starlord strips, the former because they were a bit rubbish). Oh and that Ennis Stront book that was another waste of shelf space (although I guess I can at least see why it got included)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 September, 2022, 09:35:16 AM
I also grabbed the HC Ro-Busters after the "no Starlord" claim, but I'm OK with that. And, no, I won't be buying Sun/Dex. Not a fan.

Not sure about Leviathan. I have two versions of it already. Maybe if it includes everything and has great repro, I'll buy it to rationalise my shelves very slightly. (I was planning on buying Devlin, but not now it lacks that latest strip.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 September, 2022, 10:42:16 AM
Fair enough. If you don't like Sin/Dex then that definitely diminishes the value in this 2nd extension.

It's definitely disappointing that the Devlin book will leave us half way through that storyline. Likely leaving us in a similar place to the Lawless book in the MC where the Rebellion trades won't line up nicely and you end up duplicating quite a chunk of content to get the rest of the run. It's a very odd decision. By my reckoning there was space for the whole Kot run alongside the McConville stories (admittedly making this one of the larger books but no bigger than The Order or The Small House). Instead we're getting a volume that's going to end mid run and be on the slimmer end of the scale for the UC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 September, 2022, 11:26:45 AM
Perhaps there were other factors, such as costs and not wanting to cannibalise Rebellion's own sales. But it just feels a weird place to end it. (Lawless was unfortunate as well, but it would have been wrong to omit that strip entirely from the Dredd collection.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 September, 2022, 08:34:26 PM
the first extension was worth it for all the john smith books that should have been in the original set. I am so happy i have a near complete indigo prime now
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Cyber-Matt on 03 September, 2022, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 September, 2022, 11:48:35 PM
Mean Arena – so bad it killed the Extreme Edition.

I keep seeing this repeated as if it's a fact, and it's complete hogwash. The only thing that brought the Extreme Editions to an end was the editorial decision to fold it into the Megazine. The bagged mini-trades have, by and large, continued the EEs' remit of reprinting material too short or unlikely to get a book collection.

In any case, the last two EEs reprinted classic Robo-Hunter, but Sam Slade doesn't seem to have the same accusation thrown at him.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 September, 2022, 11:24:55 PM
i was gonna say wasn't robohunter in the last two EEs?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 03 September, 2022, 11:41:28 PM
Quote from: Cyber-Matt on 03 September, 2022, 10:13:58 PM
The only thing that brought the Extreme Editions to an end was the editorial decision to fold it into the Megazine.

Would you mind not bringing facts into this? This is the internet...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 September, 2022, 10:49:08 AM
Mea culpa. I'll just go over here and sit on the naughty step for a while.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 07 September, 2022, 08:08:19 PM
Not gonna lie it feels surreal going from starting this series fresh off the Dredd Mega Collection, barely knowing anything about characters that weren't Johnny Alpha and Rogue Trooper, to getting to a point where we've had a couple books made up entirely of stuff I read as it came out in the Megazine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 September, 2022, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 07 September, 2022, 08:08:19 PM
Not gonna lie it feels surreal going from starting this series fresh off the Dredd Mega Collection, barely knowing anything about characters that weren't Johnny Alpha and Rogue Trooper, to getting to a point where we've had a couple books made up entirely of stuff I read as it came out in the Megazine.

I think the 2nd vol of Brink was the first time I hit that overlap point. I missed the first Blunt and the McConville Devlin stories though so I can't quite add these to my "read it all in the prog/meg" list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 September, 2022, 03:25:21 PM
New covers up on Hachette site.  Good news for those hoping for a Stickleback vol 2
https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/stickleback/

And from the artists list on the Leviathan book I'm guessing that's going to contain -
Leviathan, American Gothic, Necronauts, Chiaroscuro
https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/l1072133/

I think we now know all the titles just not the exact content or order they'll arrive!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 September, 2022, 04:28:16 PM
That'd be an interesting selection for Leviathan. I really hope it has the extra stories in too and not just the main Leviathan arc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 September, 2022, 04:29:40 PM
So is Stickleback the last unknown? And does that being the strip up to date for the final reveal? I'm tempted by both of these.

Dammit, Tharg. Just when I was out, you pulled me back in again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 September, 2022, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 September, 2022, 04:29:40 PM
So is Stickleback the last unknown? And does that being the strip up to date for the final reveal? I'm tempted by both of these.

Dammit, Tharg. Just when I was out, you pulled me back in again.

Going by Dark Jimbo's last post yeah that was the last unknown:
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 August, 2022, 12:44:38 PM
Updated list -

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 -
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 -
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 - The Returners
125 - Devlin Waugh
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 -
129 -
130 - Ro-Busters 1
131 - Ro-Busters 2
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 - Blunt
134 - Revere
135 - Samantha Slade
136 - The Fall of Deadworld
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7

A mere 4 gaps left now(!), and we know that the following are coming:

Dredd
Necronauts
Blackhawk
Leviathan

So with Necronauts almost certainly twinned with Leviathan (but not confirmed), does that leave us with one final unknown? Or perhaps two Dredd books?"

Stickleback is down as 208 pages which should be enough for 3 series. Pretty sure that brings us right up to date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 September, 2022, 05:03:30 PM
Gah messed up my Quote tags.  The last line in the qoute above was me:

Stickleback is down as 208 pages which should be enough for 3 series. Pretty sure that brings us right up to date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 13 September, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Super pleased that 'Stickleback' has made it in - have been hoping against hope for a long time!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 September, 2022, 06:46:21 PM
Updated list -

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 -
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 - Leviathan
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 - The Returners
125 - Devlin Waugh
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 -
129 - Stickleback 2
130 - Ro-Busters 1
131 - Ro-Busters 2
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 - Blunt
134 - Revere
135 - Samantha Slade
136 - The Fall of Deadworld
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7

2 gaps left, and we know that Dredd and Blackhawk are coming, so... that would seem to be it!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 16 September, 2022, 04:13:06 PM
How do we know Blackhawk and Dredd are filling the final two books?

I'm sure this has been covered further back, but this thread is rather... lengthy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 September, 2022, 04:51:47 PM
Blackhawk was revealed as one of the books when this current (second) extension was first announced - plus he's on the spine image!

Some Dredd was confirmed to be coming in this extension in response to a question on the Facebook page.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 16 September, 2022, 07:34:30 PM
Still living in hope of a Middenface volume...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 September, 2022, 07:46:19 PM
Let it go, sir. Like I've come to terms with no Armoured Gideon goodness, you'll have to make do with a what-if regarding the Scottish Stront.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 16 September, 2022, 07:54:08 PM
 :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 September, 2022, 10:08:57 AM
Finished this months books. Enjoyed the Devlin volume more than I expected, having not been a huge fan of the Kot run when it's been in the Meg. Another case of reading better collected than serialised maybe. It does end at a very frustrating point though, not sure why they cut it off there meh. Hadn't read the 2 McConville stories before, they were just before I started buying the Meg. They're both servicable enough little occult adventures. But I tend to agree with Indigo it'd have been better to have the full Kot run to date.

The Ro-busters book is an enjoyable read. Can't go wrong with Terra-Meks it's a great story and Rise and Fall has a great supporting cast. Some of the annual stories are a bit meh - but that seems to be par for the course with the early ones. If you've got the Complete Nuts and Bolts then I think the only thing you're missing is The Inside Story from prog 144 but you gain a couple of other Ro-Jaws Robo-Tales instead. Haven't decided if I'll keep my Complete Nuts and Bolts yet. It's the nicer reprint and keeps everything in order but I'm not convinced I need 2 copies of this stuff. Guess I'll see how much shelf space I've got once I've finished redecorating.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 September, 2022, 10:59:13 AM
What annoyed me (and, judging by Facebook, John Smith) about McConville's run wasn't the broad quality of the writing, which was just fine. It was that they answered questions that didn't need answering – and that shouldn't ultimately have been answered. Devlin Waugh is often about weird shit in the background; kind of like what Mignola does with Hellboy, there are a lot of things hanging around as atmosphere. When you dig into and explain those things, the strip loses something. And, yeah, missing the end of the Kot run (perhaps the finest Devlin strip to date) is frustrating to the point I just can't bring myself to buy the book. I get why the decision was made, but since this is an entirely separate partwork to the other one, I'm not sure completist was the right decision.

Good to hear you enjoyed Ro-Busters. Those are fun tales. I have the two Rebellion HCs here, otherwise I'd have picked up both of those. (Vol. 1 is often hokey as anything, but it is fun. And that's enough sometimes in a comic.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 22 September, 2022, 02:49:58 PM
After having skipped every single further episode of BLUNT when running in The Meg, after not getting on with the first one or two, for some reason I picked up the Ultimate Collection book when I saw it on the shelf in WHS.

And, though I still find Boo Cook's art more hard work than I would like, I have to say that I'm really enjoying it. It's been underneath my coffee table for a few weeks and I only opened it this morning. An hour or so later, I'd finished Book One, and had somewhat changed my mind about it. Yes, Cook's art still rankles (I think it's his palette with all the pinks, which to my eyes distract from the clarity of what the hell I'm looking at), but on the whole that first story is a great, and old-fashioned, 'Death Planet' style romp. Great characters, and bang up to date with the ecological concerns becoming central to the plot as it goes along. Can't wait to see how it develops over the next two books.

Nice when that happens.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 September, 2022, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 22 September, 2022, 02:49:58 PM
After having skipped every single further episode of BLUNT when running in The Meg, after not getting on with the first one or two, for some reason I picked up the Ultimate Collection book when I saw it on the shelf in WHS.

And, though I still find Boo Cook's art more hard work than I would like, I have to say that I'm really enjoying it.

Glad to hear this as I was hoping this was going to be one that read better collected than it had in the Meg. The Returners was similar for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 27 September, 2022, 10:07:32 AM
Just finished Grey Area Books 1&2, which improved greatly after the first batch of stories. I do struggle with Mark Harrison's artwork though, in a way that I don't with Boo Cook's for example. Maybe his palette choice doesn't work well with the colour blind.

Then I absolutely belted through this last Strontium Dog book. Agree that it was a nice place for the story to end. What always gets me about Stront is it's ability to look like a linear storyline and for it to unexpectedly spend a load of time at one of the plot points, having a bit of fun.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Knightshade on 30 September, 2022, 10:02:02 AM
Has anyone had any difficulty getting the last two books? My newsagent has come up dry now for a month. Just wondering!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 04 October, 2022, 12:21:12 PM
i dunno if its cause i recently read the robusters stories again but it feels...somehow off with the new info which appeared in this story which added a lot of stuff to the older ones. I mean i know quartz was a piece of shit but faking all the disasters the robusters went on feels too much is it just me that feels that?

also did we really need the finn reference?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 October, 2022, 02:07:41 PM
I'd forgotten that with Quartz. That really does shift him up from merely hideous corporate shit to some kind of outlandish moustache-twirling Bond villain.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 October, 2022, 09:52:32 PM
I read Revere, but to be honest I just couldn't enjoy it.  Maybe not the right frame of mind, but it was just too out there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 October, 2022, 11:33:37 AM
okay i finished and that is how one of my fave 2000ad stories end not with a bang but with a fuck you pay me from pat mills. What a let down fallout is i can see why it was not reprinted reading return to ro busters and this next to each other makes you feel like "wait are we missing a book here?" the back matter is also very eye opening too and if i cared about pat these days i would be curious whats in his little nft chapter of his book to see how much bile is inside him

far as i know we have one more mills book in the uc and then that joe pineapples thing and i can happily never think of pat again

god i hate feeling like this about someone who created stuff i love but well.....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 05 October, 2022, 12:47:57 PM
Is it just 'Return to Ro-Busters' and 'Fallout' contained in this volume? No extras?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 October, 2022, 02:19:15 PM
no extras just the back matter which is worth a read
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 October, 2022, 03:04:50 PM
Boo! Was really hoping for the Blackblood 'General Public' solo and/or the Hammerstein solo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 05 October, 2022, 03:17:14 PM
What is the Hammerstein solo? Can you say where it first appeared?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 October, 2022, 03:42:51 PM
yeah i am wondering about that hammerstein solo i know the blackblood one was in fcbd 2017
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 October, 2022, 03:57:17 PM
I said Hammerstein, but it's really more of a Ro-Busters story -'Seeing Red' from the 40th anniversary prog. By Mills and Langley, too, so could hardly have fitted any better in this book!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 05 October, 2022, 07:19:06 PM
Hmmm. Seems I've missed Brassed Sun 2 and The Returners. Off to Hachette I go
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 October, 2022, 10:58:24 AM
Well that ABC Warriors book sure does look pretty, Langley is superb throughout. Not sure there's much to love about either story beyond the art though. The ret-conning of Ro-Busters to make Quartz the big bad doesn't really end up going anywhere beyond "big business is bad, mm'kay". By Fallout he's just become another bland megalomaniac hellbent on killing the Warriors. Setting the Warriors against each other gave Langley some great fights to draw but there was never any sense of tension there. Mill's continual polemic against the sheeple get's pretty tired too.

The article at the back discusses the split between Rebellion and Mills. Mills comment that:

QuoteAn over-hands on approach to scripts from the creator of 2000ad contrasted with him letting extremley poor artwork on some of my other stories go with a rubber stamp

I wonder which stories he's referring to here as the art on pretty much everything Mill's has scripted in recent years has been superb. I think Secret Commonwealth is the most recent Mill's story where I thought the art was weak and thats a long way back now. It's also a shitty thing to say publically about your collaborators. I get he's got beef with Rebellion, and some of that may well be valid, but I don't see how that justifies pulling other creators over the coals. Particularly when that accusation just doesn't feel like it rings true for me. Mill's seems to have become a character in one of his own stories, stuck in a loop and constantly ranting about the vast conspiracy designed to keep them subjugated.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 October, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
Would be interesting to know which era he's referring to. My understanding is that Mills for the majority of his time on the comic got to dictate who illustrated his strips. And I've no idea what an over-hands approach to the scripts means. Is he arguing that the scripts were edited heavily? (Something Mills always did to others, which was apparently fine, but that presumably isn't OK for his work? And at what stage? Hasn't his work during Matt Smith's essentially been left alone?)

I'm morbidly curious to read this back material... although not to the degree I want to actually buy the book. It sounds quite 'warts and all'.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 08 October, 2022, 12:30:37 PM
I recall him saying that Andy Diggle imposed a structure on an ABC Warriors arc where the story was to be told in a few short stories instead of letting him do one big story. But Diggle was 20 years ago!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 October, 2022, 02:19:07 PM
He's trying really hard tp trash his own legacy, isn't he? 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 08 October, 2022, 08:02:47 PM
He's currently going off on one defending his NFTs on his Twitter, calling everyone that disagrees with him about them authoritarians so I'm not sure if he's really concerned about his legacy anymore
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 October, 2022, 08:39:06 PM
Great to see that he's inviting debate and then calling anyone who disagrees with him a fascist.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 08 October, 2022, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 October, 2022, 08:39:06 PM
Great to see that he's inviting debate and then calling anyone who disagrees with him a fascist.

Is that not par for the course in Millsian debate...?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 October, 2022, 08:32:06 PM
Well Blunt really is a refreshing read after the Warriors. I read the 2nd and 3rd parts when they ran in the Meg and this bounced off me a bit. Not sure if that was down to missing the set up in part 1 or just that this reads better collected. Probably a bit of both tbh. Boo's art is great throughout, lots or alien weirdness and psycehedlic craziness. Like Mill's this has a message, unlike Mill's I didn't feel berated by it. It's a great addition to the collection imo.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 09 October, 2022, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: sintec on 09 October, 2022, 08:32:06 PM
It's a great addition to the collection imo.

It's fascinating to me to see how many strips people were ambivalent towards in the Prog/Meg are hitting the mark in this collection. I'm not sure what to take away from that... I love the weekly/monthly anthology format, but it's definitely telling us... something that folks are finding strips that didn't get a lot of love in the serialised format to be worthwhile in a collected format.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 October, 2022, 10:24:35 PM
The Meg being a monthly really doesn't help sometimes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 10 October, 2022, 09:07:11 AM
I've been giving this a bit of thought recently as well. To be honest- and I'm only speaking for me here, and don't expect any of you lot to feel the same- I think it's at least partly this:

Even aside from work and family responsibilities, my life is busy. I have particular interests- so I like to read a lot of books and comics, as well watching a lot of TV and movies. Already I've had to consciously cut several things out: I'm no longer even *thinking* about watching the TV Star Wars things, or DC Universe movie adaptations, for example. I'm way too behind on the Marvel shows, as well as everything else I'd like to watch. Creepshow on Shudder? American Horror Story/ies? The new Twilight Zone? Haven't been able to fit any of them in.

When the prog and the Meg turn up, I often find myself having yo rush them- as if they are just 'things to get through'. This isn't in any way good, and certainly isn't treating these things with due respect. I love the comics, I spend a lot of my time invested on them to one degree or another, but I can't even set aside an hour to enjoy them properly? Psh.

When I get a collected edition (like the recent Blunt one) for some reason, that inspires me to 'make time'. The Meg gets fitted in, in that twenty minutes before my wife gets home, or while I'm taking a break. The Blunt book got my undivided attention- I made time for it. So I properly enjoyed it, far more than I did when it was running in the comic.

I guess, the thing is, I need to slow down and prioritise. To approach things with the respect they deserve. Maybe it's a consequence of there being *so much* media to consume at the moment. If you've grown up like I have, it's the greatest golden age ever! But maybe i need to realise that I really can't read or watch it all.

SBT
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 October, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Agreed. I have a burn-through mentality with magazines, which is unhelpful. I do that a bit less with 2000 AD, but there are elements of that. With a collection, I'm more likely to take time, but I also have a built pile that's grown to a quite silly level now. (I'm also, finally, "one in, one out" for collections. No more space in the shelves!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 October, 2022, 03:41:56 PM
i had that issue about two-three years ago when i stopped collecting all comics that wasn't the meg and the prog and the uk reprints of marvel stuff

then the pandemic happened and the marvel stuff dried up leaving just the meg and the prog
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 October, 2022, 05:20:50 PM
Missing the 1st series of both Returners and Blunt definitely didn't help in my case. There's a fair bit of character/world set up in both of those. Some better recaps would definitely help there.

I'd have to go back and read bits in the Meg but I also wonder if the way these are split up for serialisation is part of the issue. Classic era stories tended to have more self-contained episodes with their own beginning middle and end. Of course they also tended to repeat themselves a bit episode to episode which doesn't always read as nicely when collected. The monthly publication of the Meg maybe exacerbates this because without the cliff hanger ending it can be easy to forget where the various protaganoists have got to in the interim.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 10 October, 2022, 07:54:13 PM
According to National Title File (the newstrade's bible of what's due out when) the collection has been extended again, to 180 issues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 October, 2022, 08:25:50 PM
OK. If Armoured Gideon isn't in THIS extension, I shall have to write Matt Smith a STRONGLY WORDED LETTER*.


* Begging, pretty please, for an Armoured Gideon collection at some point, please and thank you.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 10 October, 2022, 08:37:56 PM
180 issues  is a big no from me no way is there 40 issues of quality stuff
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 October, 2022, 08:52:30 PM
So what would you do if you had another 40 issues? There can't be that much that hasn't been collected, beyond the odd series conclusion (Kingdom) and quite a lot of Dredd.

That said, if they did HC War of the Worlds and Scarlet Traces, I'd be all over that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 10 October, 2022, 08:59:25 PM
Would it be economically viable to do another 40 issues at £9.99 for the publisher, it been that price since the Judge dredd collection started back in 2015
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 10 October, 2022, 09:09:55 PM
If the big 180 news is correct, could we possibly have another 'The Order' book completing what has been published? Do the page numbers add up for another volume?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 October, 2022, 09:15:28 PM
Quote from: moly on 10 October, 2022, 08:59:25 PM
Would it be economically viable to do another 40 issues at £9.99 for the publisher, it been that price since the Judge dredd collection started back in 2015

Wait, so... So you want them to charge you more?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 10 October, 2022, 09:57:15 PM
My one wish is all of the 2012 movie Dredd stuff in 1 book. It would definitely be one of the larger books at 260-ish pages, especially if Trinity is collected, but it would be nice to have all those in one chunky volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 10 October, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
Seeing as we've opened the floodgates for Starlord and Tornado material thanks to the Ro-Busters and Blackhawk books is there anything else from those titles aside from Stront that would be worth collecting?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 10 October, 2022, 10:11:36 PM
I'd buy a Mind Wars collection!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 10 October, 2022, 10:12:58 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 10 October, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
Seeing as we've opened the floodgates for Starlord and Tornado material thanks to the Ro-Busters and Blackhawk books is there anything else from those titles aside from Stront that would be worth collecting?

I would say Mind Wars as a curio, but it's already in Meg floppies (408-409 & 411).

[Just noticed I'm cross-posting with Leigh S.]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 10 October, 2022, 10:19:06 PM
Had a vague idea it had been reprinted recently, but a comllection would be much better.

Call me mad, but I'd be interested in Tornado Mind of Wolfie SMith - I have the originals, but I;m curious about what they were like, but not enough to bust out all 22 comics and associated annuals / specials

Timequake would also be a potential - not the best, but some nice art and generally a concept that could ahve had legs

Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 October, 2022, 10:12:58 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 10 October, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
Seeing as we've opened the floodgates for Starlord and Tornado material thanks to the Ro-Busters and Blackhawk books is there anything else from those titles aside from Stront that would be worth collecting?

I would say Mind Wars as a curio, but it's already in Meg floppies (408-409 & 411).

[Just noticed I'm cross-posting with Leigh S.]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 10 October, 2022, 10:33:11 PM
Just imagine if they hadnt abridged Sinister Dexter. They be another 10 books there, easily 😀
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 10 October, 2022, 10:56:31 PM
Well the mind boggles what 40 more volumes could include. There's loads more Dredd so perhaps volumes of Ron Smith and Steve Dillon's work? Also, maybe:

Ant Wars
Dan Dare
Return to Armageddon
Shako
More Future Shocks, Time Twisters etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 11 October, 2022, 12:55:13 AM
I must admit that I'm starting to get fed up of it.  A lot of the newer stuff just isn't my thing, at least at first read, I guess I have a taste for older material.

However, more Dredd is welcome, but please please PLEASE have Pirates of the Black Atlantic.

It's alos becoming a matter of space.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 11 October, 2022, 06:28:04 AM
Wait, so... So you want them to charge you more?

Nope just want it to end
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2022, 08:15:38 AM
Dan Dare would be vanishingly unlikely due to rights issues. As for costs, I'd be amazed if any extension was able to stay at £9.99. Almost all of these series have seen price rises and costs have shot up.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 October, 2022, 10:00:39 AM
National File also reckons the original Marvel collection finally ends on #280. Feels a bit "believe it when I see it"!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 October, 2022, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 10 October, 2022, 10:56:31 PM
Well the mind boggles what 40 more volumes could include. Maybe:

Ant Wars
Dan Dare
Return to Armageddon
Shako
More Future Shocks, Time Twisters etc.

You'd be surprised.

Survival Geeks
Kingdom
Sinister Dexter
Lawless
Armoured Gideon
3rillers
Feral & Foe
Zenith
Skip Tracer (sorry)
Hope
Ulysses Sweet
Kingmaker
Harlem Heroes
Age of the Wolf
Thistlebone
Proteus Vex...

...And that's already got us over halfway through this extension. Bung in a load of Dredd books, and start bundling shorter and one-off series together like they've already done (Harry Kipling, Storming Heaven, From Grace, Necrophim, Alienist, XTNCT, Second City Blues etc) and you've got 30 of 40 books before you know it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 11 October, 2022, 10:25:31 AM
Oh boy...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 11 October, 2022, 11:59:12 AM
There's hope for the Worst of Bish-Op yet!

Bring on The Straitjacket Fits, Soul Sisters, Dead Man Walking, maybe even the Space Girls.

;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 October, 2022, 12:33:03 PM
yeah having trawled Barney it's not all that hard to get a list of 40 more potential volumes just looking at Prog and Meg stuff.

Zenith (2 books)
Harlem Heroes (2 books)
Durham Red (Worley run + Scarlet Apocrypha)
Harry 20
Kingmaker
Luke Kirby (too much for 1 book not enough for 2 what can they cut?)
Armoured Gideon
Thistlebone
Diaboliks
Survival Geeks
Brigand Doom
Feral And Foe
Shako + Ant Wars
Age Of The Wolf
Damnation Station
American Reaper (2 books)
Atavar
Bec & Kawl
Bix Barton
Storm Warning
Bendatti Vendetta (maybe paired with something like Family)
Flesh II
Peter Milligan collection (Freaks, Counterfit Girl, Shadows)
Hope
Kingdom III
Night Zero
Outlier
Proteus Vex
Return To Armageddon
Skip Tracer (2 books)
The Out

That's 35 books. Chuck a couple of Dredd's and some collections of shorter one-offs in there (I'd love a volume of the best of 3hrillers for example) and we'd have 40. Only downside for me is the significant overlap with some of my recent trade purchases from the Rebellion store and the need for a new bookcase.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 11 October, 2022, 01:49:50 PM
Some of the above appearing in the 'ultimate' collection seems a bit of a misdemeanor, definitely veering into '2000ad - the average collection' in places.
That said, as a cherry-picker of the collection, there's some stuff I'd love to have in hardback (Armoured Gideon, FFS) and others I'd consider buying out of sheer nostalgia (Night Zero, Bix Barton)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 11 October, 2022, 02:29:46 PM
Night Zero - yes, please!

Bix Barton - oh, go on, then!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 11 October, 2022, 02:44:45 PM
in a wonderful world of sunshine and rainbows here is what i would want

A chris weston cherry pick book (include some one offs he did as well as obviously that one series i never stop banging on about)

Middenface mcnulty collection (include the time travelling one from the early meg and the young middenface stories)

zenith (i do have the hardcovers but its like one of the very few absolute classics not in the uc)

armoured gideon

survival geeks

another devlin to fill out the rest of the kot run

diamond dogs

more dredd volumes to include some of the more recent stuff

a strontlord book and maybe sneak in the few bits of stront that the uc has missed

the tharg the mighty collection that only i would want
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 11 October, 2022, 03:10:37 PM
It'd be nice to finish the Dark Judges series in trade form. The core HC trades reached Dominion but then seem to have switched to digital-only.

The Ultimate Collection version of Dominion (vol 94) also collected the later Judge Fear one-shot and The Torture Garden. But Deliverance onwards currently remains uncollected in physical form.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 11 October, 2022, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 11 October, 2022, 02:44:45 PM
in a wonderful world of sunshine and rainbows here is what i would want

A chris weston cherry pick book (include some one offs he did as well as obviously that one series i never stop banging on about)

Middenface mcnulty collection (include the time travelling one from the early meg and the young middenface stories)

zenith (i do have the hardcovers but its like one of the very few absolute classics not in the uc)

armoured gideon

survival geeks

another devlin to fill out the rest of the kot run

diamond dogs

more dredd volumes to include some of the more recent stuff

a strontlord book and maybe sneak in the few bits of stront that the uc has missed

the tharg the mighty collection that only i would want

My sources tell me at least one of those will come true! But I'm not saying which one...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 October, 2022, 05:10:09 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 11 October, 2022, 01:49:50 PM
Some of the above appearing in the 'ultimate' collection seems a bit of a misdemeanor, definitely veering into '2000ad - the average collection' in places.

Surely Ultimate describes the collection not the quality of the content of individual books. So it's the ultimate collection of 2000ad beacause it's unlikley anyone will do a larger one. Of course one could then argue that the ultimate collection is the original progs.

More Dark Judges would be good. Plenty more Fall Of Deadworld and would be nice to have Deliverance in HC.

Was book 5 of Brink sufficiently long that we could have it in a volume?  I guess if there's another 40 books there's a couple of years for book 6 to come along if it was towards the end of the run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 11 October, 2022, 05:21:42 PM
A very good point. Google defines ultimate as follows:

Adjective:

1.being or happening at the end of a process; final. - this is hopefully not intended as the final 2000ad collection, so this defininition is probably not the one intended by the publisher.
2.being the best or most extreme example of its kind. - we can probably ruled out the collection as the best example of it's kind, as we've already had Greysuit in it. If it's the most extreme example is something possibly up for discussion.

noun

1.the best achievable or imaginable of its kind. - In fairness this probably is the best achievable collection of this stories in lovely big hardbacks covering all sorts of thrills from the great to the... not so great. Is it the best imaginable? No, because Armoured Gideon hasn't been in it.
2.a final or fundamental fact or principle. - see 1 above

Based on this I retract my earlier cheeky comment :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 11 October, 2022, 05:45:12 PM
full tilt boogie, wolfie smith, daily dredds, disaster 1990, a ron smith collection, a book of greatest covers and, yes, a tharg the mighty volume. as well as the dan dare that obviously won't happen.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 11 October, 2022, 06:55:45 PM
As much as I'm a bit burnt out after 7 years if they do extend it I know I will carry  on, I think ive just got enough space to store them
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 October, 2022, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 11 October, 2022, 05:45:12 PM
a book of greatest covers

They already did that withthe 4 extra volumes in the initial run - they were sadly underwhelming and a tad overpriced imo.

Full Tilt Boogie's a good call though - does feel like there should be some representation of Regened in the collection and that's probably the most likely option. Of course a Pandora Perfect book would be the better choice but I'm not sure there's enough.

Has Chimpsky got enough page count for a book?
With more books it feels like Niemand should get a volume somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 11 October, 2022, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 10 October, 2022, 09:57:15 PM
My one wish is all of the 2012 movie Dredd stuff in 1 book. It would definitely be one of the larger books at 260-ish pages, especially if Trinity is collected, but it would be nice to have all those in one chunky volume.

Tomontherun - If you are reading this, could you say where the 'Trinity' story you mention first appeared? On reading your post I looked back at all my movie Dredd stuff and couldn't place it.
Thanks!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 11 October, 2022, 08:52:19 PM
Max - Jumping in to answer! Trinity was a JD story in Prog 2262. Not technically a movie-verse tale but one which saw [SPOILER]comic Dredd cross over with his Stallone and Urban counterparts via interdimensional shenanigans[/SPOILER] :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 12 October, 2022, 09:40:02 PM
How official is the extension to 180 issues? Can anyone in the know confirm yay or nay?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 14 October, 2022, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 12 October, 2022, 09:40:02 PM
How official is the extension to 180 issues? Can anyone in the know confirm yay or nay?
The info comes from the weekly partwork list published in the National Title File which is produced by the Association of Newspaper and Magazine Wholesalers (ANMW) who get their info from the news trade distributors (typically Marketforce UK Ltd these days) who in turn get their info from the publishers (Hachette)

The info on the UC has only just changed from 140 issues to 180 issues in the past week, and mistakes do occasionally happen, but if it's still saying 180 on Monday I'd assume it's definite.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 14 October, 2022, 10:29:49 PM
I'm quite happy with that.Hope to see some spine artwork soon.Keeps us all guessing for another 2 years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 October, 2022, 12:32:59 PM
Curious that Forbidden Planet appears to be out of stock of #132 and #133. Bah. I really don't want to have to order Leviathan from Hachette. (Nowhere around here stocks these books, unfortunately.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 15 October, 2022, 01:16:05 PM
I can't find it now but I'm sure I've seen something from boo cook stating it was being extended but he wasn't doing the spine artwork for it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Rex Banner on 15 October, 2022, 02:03:43 PM
I believe Ben Willsher is doing the spine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 15 October, 2022, 02:21:44 PM
Forgive me if these are a bit daft requests as my 2000 AD knowledge is a VERY limited but If this is extending I hope we get

- Jaegir (Continuing from where it left off)
- Dark Judges (Including more fall of deadworld if they exist as the last vol ended on a cliffhanger)
- Mambo (She looks cool)
- More Future Shocks (I love those)
- Durham Red

I know I'm missing some classics but I'm only just discovering these stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 October, 2022, 04:04:32 PM
I bloody love Ben Willsher art. But. If you have a collection like this, so heavily geared towards spine art (that the publisher inevitably messes up), why not keep the same artist? Baffling.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 15 October, 2022, 11:47:04 PM
Actually a different artist will help me to put it in as a separate run in my bookcases. I cannot make a span cover the full 180 issues ...

Gotta admit I was horrified to hear it is extended - I love the collection but the cost of getting it to here in NZ is horrendous ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 16 October, 2022, 08:09:59 AM
Leviathans contents are as we suspected Leviathan and its short stories. American gothic. necronauts and chiarascuro
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 October, 2022, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 16 October, 2022, 08:09:59 AM
Leviathans contents are as we suspected Leviathan and its short stories. American gothic. necronauts and chiarascuro

I can take or leave American Gothic, but otherwise that's a sexy collection!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 October, 2022, 11:38:53 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 16 October, 2022, 08:09:59 AM
Leviathans contents are as we suspected Leviathan and its short stories. American gothic. necronauts and chiarascuro

That's a nice chunky volume - shame the Devlin book couldn't have been this size, it could have contained the whole run to date. Guess with the extension we can always hope for a 2nd volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 16 October, 2022, 09:25:11 PM
Judging from the replies there's still plenty of good stuff to go round.Looking forward to seeing issue 141!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 17 October, 2022, 10:51:37 AM
Several people (myself included) have asked about the extension on the FB group.  So far just geting the stock reply:

Quotewe are currently planning to publish 140 issues in this collection. We will of course let you know if anything changes.
Thanks!

Which may well just mean they've not announced anything to the web team yet either rather than being an indication it's not happening. Guess we shall see in the coming months as it's not long until issue 140
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Neil C on 18 October, 2022, 07:33:58 AM
Quote from: Neil C on 14 October, 2022, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 12 October, 2022, 09:40:02 PM
How official is the extension to 180 issues? Can anyone in the know confirm yay or nay?
The info comes from the weekly partwork list published in the National Title File which is produced by the Association of Newspaper and Magazine Wholesalers (ANMW) who get their info from the news trade distributors (typically Marketforce UK Ltd these days) who in turn get their info from the publishers (Hachette)

The info on the UC has only just changed from 140 issues to 180 issues in the past week, and mistakes do occasionally happen, but if it's still saying 180 on Monday I'd assume it's definite.
Well, rather confusingly there is no listing for the UC at all in this week's update.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 October, 2022, 09:01:57 AM
Maybe because it's a fortnightly and not on sale this week? One of the other series wasn't there last week.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: don wiskerando on 21 October, 2022, 09:48:45 AM
If this were to be extended once more then I would love to see Ace Trucking Co completed.  I think that everything following The Croakside Trip comes to about 250 pages so doable in one volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 21 October, 2022, 04:38:17 PM
Fall of Deadworld - is there just the one volume of this? Looking at Wikipedia and Barney it appears that the first couple of series are missing from the UC. Or is there another earlier volume I can't find?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 October, 2022, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 21 October, 2022, 04:38:17 PM
Fall of Deadworld - is there just the one volume of this? Looking at Wikipedia and Barney it appears that the first couple of series are missing from the UC. Or is there another earlier volume I can't find?

They're in with Dark Justice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 21 October, 2022, 06:57:23 PM
Just got a email fro Hachette saying that from issue 139 the price will be going up to £10.99 so I assume that means this will be going on for a while
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 October, 2022, 07:12:57 PM
Yep, that's a tacit confirmation of an extension, isn't it? Armoured Gideon here we come!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 October, 2022, 07:48:30 PM
Sounds like it. Would be a bit weird to put up the price for two issues. Now, anyone know what Matt Smith's favourite cakes/beer/etc is, so we can bribe him to include Armoured Gideon in this set of books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 21 October, 2022, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 October, 2022, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Southstreeter on 21 October, 2022, 04:38:17 PM
Fall of Deadworld - is there just the one volume of this? Looking at Wikipedia and Barney it appears that the first couple of series are missing from the UC. Or is there another earlier volume I can't find?

They're in with Dark Justice.

That's annoying. I already have a copy of that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin Zeal on 21 October, 2022, 09:10:56 PM
I have really enjoyed this collection but I was looking forward to it ending. I live in a flat and ran out of space about 70 issues ago. Every possible available space is already full with about 1700 copies of the prog, which increases every week, then there's the Meg. Where the hell am I meant to put the extension issues?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 October, 2022, 09:53:05 AM
That's the thing with partworks. Sometimes they just go on and on. Ask the Marvel lot, who started collecting in 2012 with the promise of 60 books. (That's now 280, IIRC.)

I imagine the 2000 AD one won't last that long, but as people have shown there's still plenty of material that hasn't been covered. You could always switch to cherry picking. (That's what I did after the first extension and I don't regret it in the slightest. However, I did already have several of the stories in HC anyway.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 22 October, 2022, 10:22:06 AM
I could accept the extension even the price increase if I actually knew what I was getting at least with the last extension you could work some of it out with the new spine reveal
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 22 October, 2022, 03:10:44 PM
Last time it extended a rough copy of the spine art was released wasn't it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 22 October, 2022, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 22 October, 2022, 03:10:44 PM
Last time it extended a rough copy of the spine art was released wasn't it?

Yeah they announced 7 or 8 series and gave us a preview of some of the spine art that meant people could guess a fair amount of the rest. Hopefully we'll get something similar this time around as it'd be nice to not be going in completely blind
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 23 October, 2022, 02:53:02 PM
Seems as if there'd be very little left to collect from prior to the UC's launch - other than Armoured Gideon, of course - that could be considered even C-tier at this stage. Clearly we're never going to get Zenith, Luke Kirby, Button Man or Mazeworld. Anything in a theoretical 3rd extension would most likely all be from the last 8 years or so. Which would be great, except I've been buying most new things in trade as they come out, figuring that they wouldn't be part of the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2022, 03:06:21 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 23 October, 2022, 02:53:02 PMother than Armoured Gideon, of course - that could be considered even C-tier at this stage
*glares*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 23 October, 2022, 03:17:34 PM
Other than Armoured Gideon!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2022, 03:23:46 PM
*retracts glares and resolves to learn to actually read*
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 October, 2022, 09:26:08 PM
Zeniths gotta be a shoe in surely? button man and mazeworld i can understand they are creator owned ohhh how about scarlet traces thats not creator owned anymore is it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 23 October, 2022, 09:53:32 PM
I think if they were going to do Zenith they would have done it in the original run; it's too good to leave out unless there's a reason based on something other than quality. (Don't know what it might be though.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2022, 10:46:13 PM
If they did Scarlet Traces *and* fixed the screw-up in the latest trade (IIRC, a missing page), I'd buy that for sure and finally offload my Dark Horse collections.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lorenzo on 24 October, 2022, 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 October, 2022, 10:46:13 PM
If they did Scarlet Traces *and* fixed the screw-up in the latest trade (IIRC, a missing page), I'd buy that for sure and finally offload my Dark Horse collections.
Hmm, interesting. What missing page is this? Haven't read the latest volume yet and I haven't heard about this error either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 October, 2022, 08:00:45 PM
According to Matt Brooker (https://www.instagram.com/p/CbN4jUIsV3c/):

Quotethey've managed to miss out a page of Storm Front (episode 10 page 1, where Ahron is being tortured in the virtual world by the Martians, swipe left to see). The error wasn't caught at the proof stage so they can't correct it. The effect isnt too jarring, a bit like a DVD skipping a few seconds in a non-critical part of the movie, but I do have to apologise for the omission...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lorenzo on 24 October, 2022, 09:42:19 PM
That's unfortunate but, as Matt says, luckily not that much of a problem. Shame they couldn't afford someone to do a simple page count before press...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lorenzo on 25 October, 2022, 08:56:32 AM
If you are looking for the missing page, it is actually the first page of part 9 (not 10) in Prog 2259 p.21.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 25 October, 2022, 04:41:24 PM
Next 3 issues are up on the Hachette site:
136: Black Hawk
137: Finn Vol 2
138: Strontium Dogs Vol 3

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 25 October, 2022, 04:53:17 PM
Page count for SD Vol 3 is 256, with Dan Abnett credited so looks like theres space for the remaining Dogs stories, The Scarlet Apocrypha and the uncollected SD stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 October, 2022, 05:36:46 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 25 October, 2022, 04:53:17 PM
Page count for SD Vol 3 is 256, with Dan Abnett credited so looks like theres space for the remaining Dogs stories, The Scarlet Apocrypha and the uncollected SD stuff.

Hope so. Will be annoyed if they do a Tor Cyan and only include parts of The Scarlet Apocrypha.

From the Paul Marshall credit I guess we're getting Diners from the 95 Sci-fi special. Don't think he's done any other Dogs related stuff.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 25 October, 2022, 08:22:17 PM
I'm happy to see it looks like we are getting the Tornado Blackhawk stories. They are a great read.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 October, 2022, 07:35:55 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 25 October, 2022, 08:22:17 PM
I'm happy to see it looks like we are getting the Tornado Blackhawk stories. They are a great read.

Hadn't spotted that. Nice. Wonder if we'll get any other Tornado/Starlord stuff if we get another extension

Having looked at my spreadsheet I'm not convinced we'll be getting The Scarlet apocrypha. I reckon Dan's name is there for Epicedium. I'm guessing the contents will be something like:

SD - Crossroads
DR - Mirrors
SD - The Alphabet Man
SD - High Moon
SD - The Mutant Sleeps Tonight
DR - Deals
DR - Hate & War
DR - Night Of The Hunters
DR - Epicedium
DR - Diners

That's ~220 pages. Complete Scarlet apocrypha would be another 48 pages of strip which is pushing the limits for one book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 October, 2022, 09:31:50 AM
That might fit in a standalone Durham Red book featuring the revamp.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 26 October, 2022, 10:13:39 AM
I emailed Hachette about the price increase & if that ment an extention to the run, this is there responce

"We are now planning on 140 issues for this collection, but again we would like to confirm that the publishers are able to continue a collection at any time."



Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 October, 2022, 12:07:21 PM
Seems a bit redundant now, but here's the final(?) update anyway, all present and accounted for. Just missing details on that Dredd book...

111 - Strontium Dog: Repo Men
112 - ABC Warriors 7
113 - ABC Warriors 8
114 - Strontium Dogs 1
115 - Strontium Dogs 2
116 - Strontium Dogs 3
117 - Dredd(?)
118 - Mean Arena 1
119 - Mean Arena 2
120 - Leviathan
121 - Cradlegrave
122 - Brass Sun 1
123 - Brass Sun 2
124 - The Returners
125 - Devlin Waugh
126 - Finn 1
127 - Finn 2
128 - Blackhawk
129 - Stickleback 2
130 - Ro-Busters 1
131 - Ro-Busters 2
132 - Rogue Trooper: War Machine
133 - Blunt
134 - Revere
135 - Samantha Slade
136 - The Fall of Deadworld
137 - Sin/Dex 4
138 - Sin/Dex 5
139 - Sin/Dex 6
140 - Sin/Dex 7
141 - .......?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 October, 2022, 12:39:09 PM
yeah issues 139 and 140 have to be Sin/Dex 7 and the unknown Dredd.

It does seem really odd to have a price rise for just the last 2 issues though. Guess it could be part of a company wide price adjustment or something though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 26 October, 2022, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 25 October, 2022, 08:22:17 PM
I'm happy to see it looks like we are getting the Tornado Blackhawk stories. They are a great read.

Didn't  the Blackhawk episodes in Tornado begin with colour centre spreads?That would be awesome if they were in this book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 26 October, 2022, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: sintec on 26 October, 2022, 07:35:55 AM

Having looked at my spreadsheet I'm not convinced we'll be getting The Scarlet apocrypha. I reckon Dan's name is there for Epicedium. I'm guessing the contents will be something like:

SD - Crossroads
DR - Mirrors
SD - The Alphabet Man
SD - High Moon
SD - The Mutant Sleeps Tonight
DR - Deals
DR SD - Hate & War
DR - Night Of The Hunters
DR - Epicedium
DR - Diners

That's ~220 pages. Complete Scarlet apocrypha would be another 48 pages of strip which is pushing the limits for one book

I would say you are spot on with that list bar one omission; Durham Red 'Ghosts' from the 1994 Winter Special is a crucial chapter in the Hogan run (also referenced in the Abnett finale of 'The Empty Suns').
It has to be included in this collection too.

And for completion sake, I'd personally add Strontium Dog 'The Walking Lady' from the 1992 Sci-Fi Special & Strontium Dogs 'Angel Blood' from the 1993 Sci-Fi Special to the collection too.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 October, 2022, 08:53:28 PM
adding those 3 specials strips pushes it closer to the actual number of pages in the book so i think you may be onto something

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 November, 2022, 11:44:09 AM
FWIW, National Title File has 2000 AD back this week (since #135 is out on the 9th) and still lists the series as having 180 issues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 November, 2022, 01:10:37 PM
what i don't understand is if they are planning to extend it why not tell people?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 November, 2022, 02:11:06 PM
Seems to be how the company operates. Maybe it doesn't want people freaking out and cancelling their subscriptions, but reasons if they get volume 141 they'll just go "oh fuck it – I'll carry on".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: XRayLexx on 03 November, 2022, 12:17:26 PM
I kind of hope they don't extend it. I want it to end. If there are any other "essential" stories out there I will buy them separately. Plus I no longer have any shelf space!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 November, 2022, 01:43:46 PM
I've been cherry picking since the second extension, so I'm happy for it to continue, in the hope other bits and bobs I'd like in HC rock up. But I can see how frustrating it'd be for folks aiming to complete the set. Still, it's not yet along the lines of that terrifying Marvel run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 04 November, 2022, 02:44:06 PM
Snooty cherry picker here too, as I was for the Dredd collection.

My only regret is how shite they look on the shelf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2022, 02:50:59 PM
I really wish there was some kind of solution, but I suspect anything you'd try would stick out like a sore thumb. You could make your own sleeves, but they'd likely slip and fall. Anything printed wouldn't match the book's finish. Stickers wouldn't work unless cut VERY precisely. Clearly, it's intentional by Hachette, but it's also a UX nightmare. Eaglemoss's spines were a better compromise in that regard.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Marbles on 04 November, 2022, 06:21:53 PM
I've never bought any of these books simply because of the spines issue - too awful to look at on the shelf.. If there was a way of making so e nice sleeves that didn't suck then I'd buy plenty.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 November, 2022, 07:16:32 PM
This months books just arrived. Two chunky tomes this month and both look like top quality thrills (Leviathan and Sin/Dex vol 6). Gonna crack open a beer and give Leviathan a read - can it live up to they hype?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 November, 2022, 07:55:28 PM
I re-read Leviathan a couple of nights back. It's still as good as I remembered it to be. The only bad thing about it is the strip's brevity. It could have gone one for far longer.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 04 November, 2022, 10:36:03 PM
It could have, but sometimes a story can drag out a bit, so I'm glad it had the length and pacing it had.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 04 November, 2022, 10:47:22 PM
Coincidentally I read it myself only last week, and I agree that it was fine as it was. A self-contained story with a satisfying conclusion, and a couple of follow-up shorts in case we wanted a little more.
An early and perfect example of Edginton and D'Israeli doing what they do best.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 November, 2022, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: sintec on 04 November, 2022, 07:16:32 PM
...can it live up to they hype?

Yep it certainly did. Does feel like the investigation could have been dragged out a little to introduce some more of the strange characters on the ship. We get that a little with the 3 follow up tales. That said it's a brilliant little tale as is and I'd rather a short tale with than an end than a longer one that gets stuck in development limbo and never resolves.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 November, 2022, 05:05:49 PM
As a nitpicking side, claiming that the Leviathan was a mile long did not scale with the illustrations, she looked far larger.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 November, 2022, 08:21:01 PM
I've been rereading elements of the collection.  Just finished the Savage books and I noticed it mentioned there were some Europe set stories.  If we are getting an extension I would like to see them.  Perhaps they are not looked on as fondly, but still..

Howard Quartz really is an utter git in this one as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: athorist on 10 November, 2022, 01:18:32 AM
At the time I hadn't read Invasion or any other Savage, but I remember liking it after I got used to the setting. Sadly it's only two stories, only a bit over 100 pages (21 parts but some of them were longer than 5 pages, might have even been one or two that were 10 pages) so it's unlikely to get collected, and adding the last Slaine story would be a bit of a tonal shift.

I don't know if there's any ABC Warriors left, but that might make sense
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 10 November, 2022, 01:31:48 AM
Is there more Defoe it could be paired with?
I really enjoyed Savage. It would be great to have a nearly complete Pat Mills set in HC
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 November, 2022, 08:09:05 AM
One more Defoe, The Divisor with Stewart Kenneth Moore
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 10 November, 2022, 10:12:24 AM
I've said waaaay back in this thread probably the best option would be pairing the last 2 Savage stories with Disaster 1990. Mostly forgotten and not written by Mills but features Bill Savage and would bring the page count to around 200.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 November, 2022, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 10 November, 2022, 10:12:24 AM
I've said waaaay back in this thread probably the best option would be pairing the last 2 Savage stories with Disaster 1990. Mostly forgotten and not written by Mills but features Bill Savage and would bring the page count to around 200.

Yeah that'd make sense. Would be nice to get those last 2 Savage stories.

Quote from: athorist on 10 November, 2022, 01:18:32 AM
I don't know if there's any ABC Warriors left, but that might make sense

Just odd one offs from annuals and the likes I think. Don't think it'd be enough to fill another book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 November, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Uncollected Mills -

x2 one-off episodes of ABC Warriors/Ro-Busters
x1 book of Defoe
x2 books of Savage
x1 book of Slaine

Annoyingly, not enough to easily fill any book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 10 November, 2022, 11:02:24 AM
Think there's some Flesh by Mills still uncollected, not sure whether that would have to be it's own book or could be paired up with other material though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 November, 2022, 11:23:34 AM
yeah pretty sure there's enough Mills Flesh to do a 2nd volume:

Midnight Cowboys (63)
Badlanders (78)
Gorehead (62)

203 pages in total is definitely doable.  I guess they could even do a middile volume of:

Legend Of Shamane 1 (54)
Legend Of Shamane 2 (54)
Chronocide (42)

Although from what I've heard that might not be somethign we want.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 November, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
If they did a Flesh book that included Steve White's take alongside the Mills strips, he'd surely explode in a raging ball of fury.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 November, 2022, 04:05:07 PM
Vol 135 just arrived here, which I think brings Stickleback up to date. Curiously, it's the last issue currently listed on Forbidden Planet's website. I do hope they'll be continuing to stock this title, because I don't fancy buying through Hachette if I can avoid doing so.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 10 November, 2022, 08:40:39 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 November, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
If they did a Flesh book that included Steve White's take alongside the Mills strips, he'd surely explode in a raging ball of fury.

:lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 November, 2022, 10:31:48 PM
sounds like a good enough reason to do it if you ask me
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 November, 2022, 10:58:48 PM
I'm missing something here.  Whats the context.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 11 November, 2022, 09:38:44 AM
Pat Mills DOES NOT LIKE IT when other writers use 'his' creations.*
Not that he has any problem with people reprinting Flesh Book 1, which he edited rather than wrote (although you can bet he edited it heavily), and Flesh II, which he had nothing to do with as far as I know?


*'His' in the sesne that he came up with/developed the ideas, not that he legally owns them (an entirely separate sore point)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 15 November, 2022, 11:22:50 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 11 November, 2022, 09:38:44 AM
Pat Mills DOES NOT LIKE IT when other writers use 'his' creations.*
Not that he has any problem with people reprinting Flesh Book 1, which he edited rather than wrote (although you can bet he edited it heavily), and Flesh II, which he had nothing to do with as far as I know?


*'His' in the sesne that he came up with/developed the ideas, not that he legally owns them (an entirely separate sore point)

I compare Pat Mills and Roger Waters a lot, in the sense that I really enjoy the stuff they've created in their careers, but they are both contrary so-and-so's about it all. Maybe that deserves another thread all of its own. Or not....
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 November, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
On the FB page someone mentioned an email about a price increase. This is not something I've gotten, has anyone else?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 17 November, 2022, 12:16:38 PM
Yes, the price is going up to £10.99 for the last two volumes: 139 and 140. Some of us are reading this (in conjunction with the changes to the title's details on the National Title File) as tacit confirmation that the series will be continuing, as it would be odd to increase the price for just two books (unless it's a line-wide change).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 17 November, 2022, 12:22:17 PM
it's pretty amazing that it's stayed at this price point as long as it has.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 November, 2022, 01:30:48 PM
Good grief: Stickleback vol. 2 went OOS with terrifying speed. Glad I ordered mine from FP at the same time as another book. (PF now also has 136–138 up for order. That's good to see. Weird how long they took to be put on the site though.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: XRayLexx on 23 November, 2022, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 17 November, 2022, 12:16:38 PM
Yes, the price is going up to £10.99 for the last two volumes: 139 and 140. Some of us are reading this (in conjunction with the changes to the title's details on the National Title File) as tacit confirmation that the series will be continuing, as it would be odd to increase the price for just two books (unless it's a line-wide change).

Just seen on the wiki pages it says 180 volumes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD:_The_Ultimate_Collection

Is this confirmed? (hope not)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 November, 2022, 03:02:19 PM
Whoever made the edit did not call out their source.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 23 November, 2022, 07:47:56 PM
It's been extended, 180 issues

Facebook confirmation- https://www.facebook.com/1822323628095961/posts/3324124607915848/?sfnsn=scwspmo
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 23 November, 2022, 08:20:37 PM
Annihilate!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 23 November, 2022, 09:31:04 PM
Maybe with 'The Order' coming back in February next year for its final run we could have another Hachette book compiling all the outstanding material as part of the extension. I'm hoping!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: XRayLexx on 24 November, 2022, 08:38:44 AM
Man, hoping that was the end of it.
No more shelf space. Cost of Living Crisis.
Problem is I'm a completionist.
Arghhhh
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 November, 2022, 09:27:52 AM
National Title File = source of truth!

As for shelf space and cost of living, I hear that. But that's also why I quit at the last extension. Still, I'm selfishly glad it's continuing, because it might just mean a few more strips end up in there that I'd like to see collected in this format (like WOTW+Scarlet Traces, say, beyond the Dark Horse collections).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 24 November, 2022, 09:43:19 AM
ANNIHILATE!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 November, 2022, 09:52:13 AM
Looking at this from another angle, it's interesting how sustainable this collection has been. I always felt a little short-changed by that initial 80 volumes (mad as that sounds), but then we got that first extension. Now two more. I get how that might annoy folks who just want it to end. But it also shows the strength in the series, in that it can continue on.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 24 November, 2022, 01:11:26 PM
And Armoured Gideon makes the cut!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 November, 2022, 01:46:41 PM
Aha! (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/3324124607915848?comment_id=447337194226895&reply_comment_id=1103401177037940)

Quote"Hey Craig, good news! Armoured Gideon will be included within the extension."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 24 November, 2022, 02:29:38 PM
REJOICE ANNIHILATE!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 November, 2022, 02:34:48 PM
Look, if everyone goes around annihilating everything, we'll never get that bloody book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 24 November, 2022, 02:41:00 PM
I'm glad its getting an extension, there's still a lot of quality to print .. I am however going to run out of bookcase .. dammit
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 24 November, 2022, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 November, 2022, 02:34:48 PM
Look, if everyone goes around annihilating everything, we'll never get that bloody book.

There will be no annihilation cessation. Too much elation.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 24 November, 2022, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 23 November, 2022, 09:31:04 PM
Maybe with 'The Order' coming back in February next year for its final run we could have another Hachette book compiling all the outstanding material as part of the extension. I'm hoping!

This is my hope also!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 November, 2022, 08:50:53 PM
40 more books is a lot! That's half the original run, and the biggest extension so far. Has anyone crunched the numbers on any longer running series that have yet to feature?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 24 November, 2022, 10:01:45 PM
Answer that myself
Quote from: sintec on 11 October, 2022, 12:33:03 PM
yeah having trawled Barney it's not all that hard to get a list of 40 more potential volumes just looking at Prog and Meg stuff.

Zenith (2 books)
Harlem Heroes (2 books)
Durham Red (Worley run + Scarlet Apocrypha)
Harry 20
Kingmaker
Luke Kirby (too much for 1 book not enough for 2 what can they cut?)
Armoured Gideon
Thistlebone
Diaboliks
Survival Geeks
Brigand Doom
Feral And Foe
Shako + Ant Wars
Age Of The Wolf
Damnation Station
American Reaper (2 books)
Atavar
Bec & Kawl
Bix Barton
Storm Warning
Bendatti Vendetta (maybe paired with something like Family)
Flesh II
Peter Milligan collection (Freaks, Counterfit Girl, Shadows)
Hope
Kingdom III
Night Zero
Outlier
Proteus Vex
Return To Armageddon
Skip Tracer (2 books)
The Out

That's 35 books. Chuck a couple of Dredd's and some collections of shorter one-offs in there (I'd love a volume of the best of 3hrillers for example) and we'd have 40. Only downside for me is the significant overlap with some of my recent trade purchases from the Rebellion store and the need for a new bookcase.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 24 November, 2022, 10:15:11 PM
canon fodder
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 13school on 25 November, 2022, 03:49:07 AM
I think American Reaper is creator-owned, so doubtful we'll be getting that (much as I'd like a collection)

It'd be nice to think there'd be a Pat Mills odds'n ends collection, with the final installments of Savage and Defoe (plus The ABC Warriors? Flesh?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 25 November, 2022, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: 13school on 25 November, 2022, 03:49:07 AM
I think American Reaper is creator-owned, so doubtful we'll be getting that (much as I'd like a collection)

It'd be nice to think there'd be a Pat Mills odds'n ends collection, with the final installments of Savage and Defoe (plus The ABC Warriors? Flesh?)

Doh yeah probably not American Reaper then.  I think there's enough Flesh for a second book, I'll be surprised if we don't get that tbh.  With you 100% on a Mills odds 'n' ends book. Would be nice to get the last 2 books of Savage and the last part of Defoe.

Looking back over my list I'm really hoping we don't get 2 books of Skip Tracer... there are so many better things they could include. Similarly what I've read of Bek & Krawl in the Humble Bundle from a while back isn't great. Still series like this always have the odd book you bounce off as long as long as it's just a couple of books I'm ok with that.

Wonder if we'll get an 8th Sinister Dexter book. Would love to read the recent arc back without the publishing gaps.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 November, 2022, 11:27:05 AM
My guess is we can probably look back across Rebellion's trade collections for a good indication of where a lot of this will go, given that the repro will already exist. That said, Armoured Gideon is an interesting one, because that requires new repro work, unless the company already had more ready to go after the first digital volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 25 November, 2022, 12:53:11 PM
Didn't the release armoured Gideon as one of the digital collections, so should be doable
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 November, 2022, 01:26:12 PM
The first arc (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN716), yes, but not the entire thing – which Barney reckons runs to 269 pages of strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 25 November, 2022, 10:09:15 PM
Armoured Gideon is going to be such a disappointment after all this 😀

I'm holding out for Sancho Panzer
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 26 November, 2022, 03:31:34 AM
don't suppose anyone who is active on the facebook could ask about canon fodder? you will be repaid in the eternal gratitude of a sad fanboy
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 26 November, 2022, 08:09:10 AM
The monarch have asked on the Facebook page for you
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 26 November, 2022, 09:08:26 AM
thank you
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 26 November, 2022, 09:05:53 PM
Something that I would really like to see in this extension is a further 'Bad Company' book which would feature the stories 'First Casualties' and 'Terrorists'. This would bring us right up to date with the series and although it would be a fairly slim edition at approximately 150 pages, this is still more than some past volumes
(Slaine: Book of Scars for example).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 27 November, 2022, 06:29:31 PM
Maybe Rufus' Bad Company series partnered with Counterfeit Girl?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 27 November, 2022, 10:29:53 PM
I'm about halfway through Devlin Waugh: A Very Large Splash and loving it immensely. Rory, Mike and Ales have got to the heart of the character and just run with it, tremendous stuff. Looking forward to the rest. is there enough for another volume in the extension extension extension?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 November, 2022, 04:53:56 AM
i may be wrong but i am pretty sure other than the current running story and the small part of the zombie crossover he was in theres only like one more waugh story at the moment?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 28 November, 2022, 12:07:57 PM
Latest issues delivered today 135 and 136, with the extension being confirmed it would be nice to see the extended extension spine art
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 28 November, 2022, 02:11:02 PM
I've just received 128 & 128 as I went on a six month hiatus while funds were 'fluid' during COVID and Hachette has just reinstated my sub after cancelling it because one postie didnt bother actually posting a set and just sent it back.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 28 November, 2022, 05:28:11 PM
Quote
A couple of Zenith volumes are planned but please bear in mind that this is subject to change. We have no current plans for the rest of the titles you've asked about.

Thanks!
From the same FB post confirming Armoured Gideon. 3 volumes now confirmed, 37 to go! The titles seemingly de-confirmed were Summer Magic, Big Dave and Scarlet Traces.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 November, 2022, 05:52:20 PM
Zenith will presumably be collected across two volumes, then. I already have the Rebellion set, so all stick with them. Summer Magic not being in there is a bit of a surprise. Big Dave... is not. No Scarlet Traces is a crying shame. It's such a good series. Ah well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 28 November, 2022, 06:04:17 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 28 November, 2022, 05:52:20 PM
Summer Magic not being in there is a bit of a surprise. Big Dave... is not.

Isn't it the case that Fleetway (as it was then) actively returned the rights to Big Dave to Morrison/Millar (and, presumably, Steve Parkhouse) so it simply wouldn't be in Rebellion's power to reprint the series even if they wanted to, without negotiating a new deal with the creators...? (ISTR reading that the rights were handed back to avoid having to publish a final, contentious Big Dave story.)

Alan McKenzie simply asserted that he had the rights to Summer Magic based on a fairly flimsy argument that it's not worth rehashing here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 November, 2022, 06:19:52 PM
absolutely hilarious to me that the only appearance big dave will get is a cameo in sinister dexter where hes partially covered
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Corinthian on 28 November, 2022, 06:22:48 PM
The big issue around Luke Kirby might be that by licensing publishing rights to an external publisher, Rebellion could be opening an exciting new legal avenue by which McKenzie could claim ownership. But then I thought that about Zenith and Morrison and now that might be happening so I'm probably dead wrong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 November, 2022, 06:26:42 PM
actually isn't scarlet traces owned by the creative team? I know button man is so that ain't happened neither
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 28 November, 2022, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 28 November, 2022, 06:26:42 PM
actually isn't scarlet traces owned by the creative team?

No... I'm sure Ian said on a thrillcast that they'd sold the rights to Rebellion as part of the deal to continue the story. (Or it might have been a news story on the 2000AD site... it was definitely somewhere official.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 28 November, 2022, 06:34:49 PM
Was my Q they replied to. Bit of a shame about Scarlet Traces - although maybe it's called War Of The Worlds instead on their spreadsheet? I too have Zenith in HC, and Summer Magic. But they seemed shoe ins.

EDIT: Canon Fodder also confirmed as NOT in.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 28 November, 2022, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 28 November, 2022, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 28 November, 2022, 06:26:42 PM
actually isn't scarlet traces owned by the creative team?

No... I'm sure Ian said on a thrillcast that they'd sold the rights to Rebellion as part of the deal to continue the story. (Or it might have been a news story on the 2000AD site... it was definitely somewhere official.)

Scarlet Traces have been bought by Rebellion as Jim said
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 28 November, 2022, 07:46:18 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 28 November, 2022, 06:34:49 PM
Was my Q they replied to. Bit of a shame about Scarlet Traces - although maybe it's called War Of The Worlds instead on their spreadsheet? I too have Zenith in HC, and Summer Magic. But they seemed shoe ins.

EDIT: Canon Fodder also confirmed as NOT in.

Sad but not surprising alas I think i may be the only person in existance who wants a hardback of it xd
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 November, 2022, 07:56:18 PM
Canon Fodder's an odd one. Gorgeous visuals, but the plot was always a bit... hmm. Not the worst book of its era by any stretch, but I'm not sure I'd pay eleven quid for it in HC. £22 for Scarlet Traces, assuming it'd fit in two books – I might be wrong there? TAKE MY MONEY. Or £33 for three. I don't care. I'll happily hang on those three magic words: subject to change.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 28 November, 2022, 08:06:52 PM
Hopefully they can include some more Anderson. Hard to believe so much of Psi-Files 3 got missed out of the JDMC. Easily enough for an entire volume in the 2000ad UC.

Personally, I was looking forward to drawing a line under it after 140 volumes. But then I've been cherry picking anyway (e.g. Mek Files are a no brainer rather than these UC volumes, especially with the weird split in the middle of the Black Hole Saga between volumes, as were those lovely limited hardcover collections of the Nemesis stuff), and I'm not sure how much there would be in the next extension worth getting. More Sinister Dexter maybe, as there is still loads to collect and no enthusiasm to collect the series other wise? Still, excited to see what has been added.

Some classic random Dredd compilations so I can finally scrap the early Case Files rather than retain them AND the Mega Collection for completion sake is probably too much to hope for...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 28 November, 2022, 08:36:56 PM
Wonder if they will do an environmental one with trash and I think was dead meat with inspector ram
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 November, 2022, 09:40:52 PM
Quote from: moly on 28 November, 2022, 08:36:56 PM
Wonder if they will do an environmental one with trash and I think was dead meat with inspector ram

Um... I'm going to say 'No'.

Although you could round it out with Mother Earth, for a truly dire expierience.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 28 November, 2022, 10:39:18 PM
There comes a point when you have got to stop or else the content can't justify the "ultimate" in the title.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 29 November, 2022, 10:27:49 AM
I think Summer Magic's problem is that all of it is ~30 pages too much for a volume (going by Barney it'd be 278 pages and the largest volumes have been around 250 pages of strip). They'd either have to split it and pair the 2nd half with something else or drop some of the annual stories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 29 November, 2022, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: Richard on 28 November, 2022, 10:39:18 PM
There comes a point when you have got to stop or else the content can't justify the "ultimate" in the title.
Ultimately (ha!) you're limited by the pace of production. Most of the quality "legacy" strips have been included, and a fair few modern strips don't have enough uncollected material to justify a Hachette volume. How long does it take for a single strip to produce 200-250 pages? You can't keep laying the tracks in front of the train for ever.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 29 November, 2022, 12:38:33 PM
Guess it's just going from meaning Ultimate as "The best of the best, plus Greysuit and Finn are here!" to "We will Ultimate-ly print the majority of strips, look forward to Fleisher's Rogue Trooper and Finn Vol 2!" Like a sucker I'm still gonna continue though, most stuff pre-2073 that hasn't been put into a Megazine floppy recently is new to me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 29 November, 2022, 01:30:31 PM
I look forward to my Dry Run hardback edition in 2024.

In all seriousness, as someone who has picked up the odd volume here and there, extending this will hopefully be a nice opportunity to pick up some good quality collections that I don't own - Armoured Gideon obv but maybe also stuff like Night Zero, Harlem Heroes, Bix Barton and even recent stuff like Survival Geeks would be nice in a hardcover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 29 November, 2022, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 29 November, 2022, 12:38:33 PM
Guess it's just going from meaning Ultimate as "The best of the best, plus Greysuit and Finn are here!" to "We will Ultimate-ly print the majority of strips, look forward to Fleisher's Rogue Trooper and Finn Vol 2!" Like a sucker I'm still gonna continue though, most stuff pre-2073 that hasn't been put into a Megazine floppy recently is new to me.

re finn boy have i got good news for you...the volume next week is the last ever finn volume (unless third world war was reprinted from crisis but nah....they would never do that....would they?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 29 November, 2022, 11:58:25 PM
If they are making enough money from the exercise then extending by including lawman of the future and DC Dredd etc is not impossible ...
We have Starlord and Tornado strips in the collection already ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 November, 2022, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 29 November, 2022, 11:58:25 PM
If they are making enough money from the exercise then extending by including lawman of the future and DC Dredd etc is not impossible ...
We have Starlord and Tornado strips in the collection already...

But they're been included specifically to complete a run of stories which concluded in Tooth (Ro-Busters and Blackhawk). I can't see them including material in the UC which has only ever run in a completely seperate title.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 30 November, 2022, 10:11:36 AM
i still think we'll get one last stront book with the starlord stuff and maybe the left overs and durham red stuff not collected in it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2022, 01:14:24 PM
I can't imagine they'd stoop so low as to include LOTF material. DC Dredd would be an odd one too. But... movie Dredd? That's not all been collected in print, and we now know it's a finite strip.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 30 November, 2022, 08:51:41 PM
Was JD: LOTF really that bad?! I never got round to reading it, but seem to remember somewhat mixed reviews at the time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2022, 09:26:59 PM
It's OK. I have a set of comics somewhere. I prefer it to a good chunk of IDW and more than half of DC Dredd. But I still would find it... a curious decision to reprint here. (Plus, there's just so much of it – and there are far, far better Dredd stories that haven't been in this and the previous collection.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: abelardsnazz on 01 December, 2022, 11:14:49 PM
Wondering whether Return to Armageddon hasn't been included previously because of the page count - if it is forthcoming, what would it be paired with? Thinking Bad City Blue wouldn't be a bad fit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 December, 2022, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 01 December, 2022, 11:14:49 PM
Wondering whether Return to Armageddon hasn't been included previously because of the page count - if it is forthcoming, what would it be paired with? Thinking Bad City Blue wouldn't be a bad fit.

Return To Armageddon is 137 pages of strip. By my records we've had 3 smaller books over the course of the UC (Slaine Book of Scars, Slaine Brutania 2, Brass Sun 1) so they might run it alone.

There are quite a few stories which could be included but are slightly awkward sizes. This is by no means an exhaustive list:


Of those Shako and Ant Wars feel like an obvious pairing, they're both old school thrills with animals attacking humans. I'm wondering if we'll see some of those in the 130 range just done as is.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 December, 2022, 12:18:53 PM
Quote from: sintec on 03 December, 2022, 12:02:29 PM
Kingdom 7-9 (126)

There's only another two books of Kingdom, not three.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 December, 2022, 12:27:17 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 03 December, 2022, 12:18:53 PM
Quote from: sintec on 03 December, 2022, 12:02:29 PM
Kingdom 7-9 (126)

There's only another two books of Kingdom, not three.

Doh - yeah I meant 7-8. Page count is for two books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 December, 2022, 06:43:46 PM
numbercruncher is in the creator owned pile
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 04 December, 2022, 09:56:31 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 03 December, 2022, 06:43:46 PM
numbercruncher is in the creator owned pile

Guess that's another one we won't be seeing then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 December, 2022, 10:45:51 AM
The Titan HC is seven quid, including delivery, FWIW: https://forbiddenplanet.com/103962-numbercruncher-volume-1-titan-edtion-hardcover/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 05 December, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
Weird I haven't received 135 & 136 yet.

I'm subscribed via DD
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 06 December, 2022, 12:34:40 AM
Never mind It arrived today
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 December, 2022, 10:04:42 AM
Looks like they're quite forthcoming with titles, if you can hit a correct one:
QuoteMe: (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/3347019878959654)
Glad to hear about the extension - will we see any of these: Full Tilt Boogie, Diamond Dogs, The Out, Stainless Steel Rat, Dan Dare, Megatropolis, Mazeworld...? Thanks for your help!
Quote2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection
Tom Evans Hi Tom, we do have plans for Dan Dare and Mazeworld however please bear in mind that this is subject to change and not guaranteed.
Thanks!
EDIT: other comments mean Outlaw won't be included (much to the disappointment of the original author) (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/3346276342367341), nor will  (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/3342930776035231)Big Dave, Maniac 5, Really & Truly, Bad Company or The Order.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 07 December, 2022, 10:10:16 AM
I bought the two Dare HCs in the christmas sale last year and they have sat here unread, handsome books though they are. I also have the Mazeworld tp.

So: one book for Mazeworld, three for Dare?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 December, 2022, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: Tomwe on 07 December, 2022, 10:04:42 AM
Other comments mean Outlaw won't be included... nor will Big Dave, Maniac 5, Really & Truly, Bad Company or The Order.

Er... good? Bit of a shame not to get a volume to round out The Order, but is anyone really gagging for those others* to stink up the collection?

*Obviously Bad Company in its prime is amazing, but we've already had the good stuff included.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 December, 2022, 10:34:38 AM
Mm. not doing more of The Order is a pity, not least given that it's concluding. Giving people a complete run in the UC would have been a nice thing to do, even though I personally don't care for the story that much.

Those other decisions strike me as a positive. The Summer Offensive strips were mostly garbage, and some are mired in rights issues anyway. As for Outlaw, it's been a long time since I read that strip, but I don't recall it firing me up at the time.

Mazeworld seems a sensible inclusion. It's a good strip. Dan Dare is a surprise, given that DDC will presumably need to give permission, and I imagine would want a cut. I'd hope the back matter might address what would have happened next. (That said, I won't buy any of those, since I'm happy with my Dare HCs and whatever Mazeworld book I have already – a SC, I think, but I don't feel compelled to 'upgrade'.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 07 December, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
huh weird mazeworlds creator owned i guess creator owned series may not be as off the table as we thought
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 December, 2022, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 07 December, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
huh weird mazeworlds creator owned i guess creator owned series may not be as off the table as we thought

Button Man would be amazing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 December, 2022, 12:41:50 PM
Previous statements that creator owned material was off the table meant I've picked up quite a lot of that stuff from Rebellion over the last couple of years not hugely excited that's now getting included. I mean they're definitely all deserving of inclusion, probably more so than some other strips, I just don't need 2 copies of them. I see a book sale thread somewhere in my future.

Quote from: Tomwe on 07 December, 2022, 10:10:16 AM
I bought the two Dare HCs in the christmas sale last year and they have sat here unread, handsome books though they are. I also have the Mazeworld tp.

So: one book for Mazeworld, three for Dare?

One book is definitely all that's needed for Mazeworld. How many books they need for Dare really depends how much of the annual material they decide to include. They could probably squeeze it into 2 if they just focus on the prog strips. I seem to recall the annual stories being fairly ropey when I read the 2 Rebellion HCs a while back so wouldn't be upset if they're not reprinted here too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 07 December, 2022, 01:10:02 PM
Disappointed 'The Order' and 'Bad Company' seem not to be in the running (perhaps if there is enough clamour for their inclusion they might reconsider?) A 'Mazeworld' hardcover would be nice. As for 'Dan Dare'; the two Rebellion editions are handsome, but they forgot one story (from the 2000ad Annual 1980).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 07 December, 2022, 01:51:57 PM
So that's
Dan Dare
Mazeworld
Zenith
Armoured Gideon

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 December, 2022, 02:09:34 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 07 December, 2022, 01:51:57 PM
So that's
Dan Dare
Mazeworld
Zenith
Armoured Gideon

Yep depending on how they split DanDare I think that's 6-7 books out of the run, DD and Zenith both being at least 2 and Mazeworld and Gideon both being a single vol.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 08 December, 2022, 04:01:59 PM
Heh. Funnily enough, I took another look in the online sale as there were still a few I passed on as I'd have been spending close to £200 otherwise. Button Man and Mazeworld were the main ones I was having second thoughts about, and Mazeworld now shows as out of stock. Realise I'm in a minority but pleased and surprised it's being included and getting the hardcover treatment. That and Armoured Gideon are (so far) the only ones in the extension I'm going to be tempted by.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 December, 2022, 03:23:22 AM
the finn book just contains the rest of finn. not much to write home about

a funny thing though is the backmatter which talks about the artists and i found it funny/kinda sad that the actual artist of the entire preceding book got like two paragraphs while the artists in the first book got the bulk of the page space
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 December, 2022, 12:02:23 PM
Blackhawk really is a mixed bag. Enjoyed the Tornado stories but the early part of the 2000ad run felt like it was lacking something. Does seem to have picked up again now he's searching for his soul but that's mostly down to the glorious Bellardinelli art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 10 December, 2022, 06:59:36 PM
 I have just started the soul searching part but funnily enough I feel the same way, the Tornado stories seemed better though the art could be a mixed bag but I don't know how much of that is due to art style and how much is quality of reproduction.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 10 December, 2022, 10:32:12 PM
Is there any colour in the Book? I think some  of the Tornado episodes might have has colour centre spreads?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 11 December, 2022, 12:10:37 AM
Alas the centre spreads are represented in bw
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: cropsy13 on 13 December, 2022, 01:22:46 AM
Think Mambo will make an appearance in the collection.

I've not read anything of her and she looks pretty cool, Mainly from this ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYUC79D6piw
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 13 December, 2022, 10:16:42 AM
Mambo - good character design but I remember absolutely nothing about the story
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 13 December, 2022, 12:06:29 PM
it is coming up in space spinner 2000 soon maybe that'll spark memories of it from me?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 December, 2022, 01:00:29 PM
Mambo's kind of cool, actually - lots of weird John Smithesque body horror in a cyberpunk setting. Definitely worth a reappraisal. I'd be amazed if we saw it in the UC, though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 14 December, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
Issue 139/ Volume 140 is Sinister Dexter Vol 7
https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/l1072139/

Issue 140/ Volume 117 is Middenface McNulty
https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/l1072140/

Issue 141/ Volume 161 is Al's Baby
https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/als-baby/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 December, 2022, 11:46:10 AM
Huh. In hindsight, Al's Baby is an obvious one. Although I also thought that was creator-owned? I have no interest in Middenface (and did anyone guess this would be a thing?), but imagine that'll make some folks very happy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 December, 2022, 12:17:44 PM
it makes me very happy and i am sure it'll make the bish-op droid very happy too hes wanted the original vol 1 middenface strip back in print for ages
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 14 December, 2022, 01:05:54 PM
Dont know about Bish-Op, but Young Middenface makes this Squaxx very happy.  I;d kind of completely forgot about it in my waiting for the final DogS collection to get here!

I'm assuming this means every bit of Stront is now in hardback (I know if I look there will be an obscure annual story or such missing, but hey!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 December, 2022, 01:18:42 PM
Has new Durham Red (divisive as I know it is) been in the UC?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 14 December, 2022, 01:40:47 PM
I don't recall, but could be wrong, given I dont consider it the same character so am not fussed if it doesnt make it into HB - sure I would have had a moments pause to consider if I should though, especially of the apocrypha stories had made it (at least one Carlos drawn tale there!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 December, 2022, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 14 December, 2022, 01:05:54 PM
Dont know about Bish-Op, but Young Middenface makes this Squaxx very happy.  I;d kind of completely forgot about it in my waiting for the final DogS collection to get here!

I'm assuming this means every bit of Stront is now in hardback (I know if I look there will be an obscure annual story or such missing, but hey!)

The Stront Annual stories are mostly awful, so that's no loss! We got The Beast of Milton Keynes, that's what matters. A Sorry Case is still missing, but I think that's it.

It is amazing to have such a comprehensive hardback library of Stront - the original run, the untold tales, the resurrection, all of Strontium Dogs, Middenface Mcnulty and the Abnett/ Harrison Durham Red? And for only £10 a book? Who'd have ever thought it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 December, 2022, 03:38:20 PM
yup a sorry case is still missing which is why i think we'll get an odds and ends stront book with it and the starlord stuff in it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 14 December, 2022, 04:24:37 PM
Sorry Case  or Sad Case?

First is Colin MacNeil 4 parter, second is end of year special flshback with Kid Knee
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 December, 2022, 04:36:27 PM
Sorry Case.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 14 December, 2022, 04:40:00 PM
Ouch! thats a weird one to miss out.  I recall The Sad Case got missed in the Agency Files, so presumed it might ahve been an error copied forward
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 14 December, 2022, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 December, 2022, 01:18:42 PM
Has new Durham Red (divisive as I know it is) been in the UC?

Nope - not had that or Scarlet Apocrypha. Which I think has just about the right sort of page count too soo fingers crossed for that one.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 14 December, 2022, 06:33:38 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 14 December, 2022, 12:17:44 PM
it makes me very happy and i am sure it'll make the bish-op droid very happy too hes wanted the original vol 1 middenface strip back in print for ages

It does! Have known this was coming for a while [and about the 141-180 extension] because I get interviewed occasionaly about relevant strips for the back matter. Al's Baby might not be the only creator-owned strip getting a collection from Hachette...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 December, 2022, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 14 December, 2022, 06:33:38 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 14 December, 2022, 12:17:44 PM
it makes me very happy and i am sure it'll make the bish-op droid very happy too hes wanted the original vol 1 middenface strip back in print for ages

It does! Have known this was coming for a while [and about the 141-180 extension] because I get interviewed occasionaly about relevant strips for the back matter. Al's Baby might not be the only creator-owned strip getting a collection from Hachette...

Button Man... 🤞🤞🤞
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 December, 2022, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 14 December, 2022, 06:33:38 PM
Al's Baby might not be the only creator-owned strip getting a collection from Hachette...

Button Man... 🤞🤞🤞
[/quote]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 14 December, 2022, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 14 December, 2022, 04:40:00 PM
Ouch! thats a weird one to miss out.  I recall The Sad Case got missed in the Agency Files, so presumed it might ahve been an error copied forward

'The Sad Case' is listed as appearing in the volume 'Strontium Dog: Traitor To His Kind'.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 14 December, 2022, 09:40:32 PM
when we found out that mazeworld was getting a book that kind of opened the door for creator owned stuff to appear in the collection. I would be genuinly shocked if we didn't get button man
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 15 December, 2022, 12:00:38 AM
Yeah, after it was pointed out it was missed from the Kreeler Conspiracy book, it got put into the next volume IIRC


Quote from: Max Headroom on 14 December, 2022, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 14 December, 2022, 04:40:00 PM
Ouch! thats a weird one to miss out.  I recall The Sad Case got missed in the Agency Files, so presumed it might ahve been an error copied forward

'The Sad Case' is listed as appearing in the volume 'Strontium Dog: Traitor To His Kind'.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 13school on 15 December, 2022, 05:40:38 AM
Quote from: davidbishop on 14 December, 2022, 06:33:38 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 14 December, 2022, 12:17:44 PM
it makes me very happy and i am sure it'll make the bish-op droid very happy too hes wanted the original vol 1 middenface strip back in print for ages

It does! Have known this was coming for a while [and about the 141-180 extension] because I get interviewed occasionaly about relevant strips for the back matter. Al's Baby might not be the only creator-owned strip getting a collection from Hachette...

The door's back open for American Reaper!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 December, 2022, 08:59:57 AM
With the announcement of the final books in the 2nd extension it's now apparent that there will be no Dredd book in that portion of the UC. The only Dredd appearance is in Casualties of War in the Rogue Trooper book. Wonder if we'll be seeing him again in this 3rd extension.

Personally I'm still holding out on buying any of the recent Rebellion Dredd books in case they end getting included here. I bought most of the creator owned titles a while back as it seemed pretty certain those weren't going to get included at the time. Much as I'm glad to see them here as I think they're very deserving of a place in the UC I don't want to get caught out again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 15 December, 2022, 10:12:01 AM
Wondering which creator-owned strips were published during Bish-Op's reign that he would be intrerviewed about?

Luke Kirby & Zenith too early.

Button Man before and after but not during.

We know Al's Baby is in it don't we?

Holding out for Dinosty and Big Dave.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 December, 2022, 12:15:58 PM
Well, here we go again! Never thought we'd be in this position, to be quite honest...

141 -
142 -
143 -
144 -
145 -
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 -
150 -
151 -
152 -
153 -
154 -
155 -
156 -
157 -
158 -
159 -
160 -
161 – Al's Baby
162 -
163 -
164 -
165 -
166 -
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 -
174 -
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 -
179 -
180 –

Also confirmed are; Armoured Gideon (presumably 2 books?), Zenith (2 books), Middenface Mcnulty* (1 book). Tacitly but not definitely confirmed are Dan Dare (3 books?) and Mazeworld (1 book?). Which means, amazingly, we may already know what ten of the forty books are!

*Currently listed as volume 117, which is clearly wrong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 15 December, 2022, 12:26:07 PM
QuoteAlso confirmed are; Armoured Gideon (presumably 2 books?), Zenith (2 books), Middenface Mcnulty* (1 book). Tacitly but not definitely confirmed are Dan Dare (3 books?) and Mazeworld (1 book?). Which means, amazingly, we may already know what ten of the forty books are!

*Currently listed as volume 117, which is clearly wrong.

Why is Middenface Mcnulty as 117 wrong? It's listed as issue 140 so not part of the new extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 December, 2022, 12:49:26 PM
🤦 Mea culpa, you're right. That'll teach me to post on very little sleep.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 15 December, 2022, 02:02:22 PM
Quote🤦 Mea culpa, you're right. That'll teach me to post on very little sleep.


To be fair I thought I may have missed something. I do wish they'd give us more idea of what is going to be in this new extension, there is certainly a whole bunch of stuff I'd like in the collection but I can think of a lot of stuff that might be collected that I wouldn't be bothered by.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 December, 2022, 02:34:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 December, 2022, 12:15:58 PM
Also confirmed are; Armoured Gideon (presumably 2 books?), Zenith (2 books), Middenface Mcnulty* (1 book). Tacitly but not definitely confirmed are Dan Dare (3 books?) and Mazeworld (1 book?). Which means, amazingly, we may already know what ten of the forty books are!

*Currently listed as volume 117, which is clearly wrong.

I think Armoured Gideon will fit in one volume, although it'll be tight. According to Barney it's 253 pages of strip without the 2 annual stories or 269 with those included (making me suspect we might not get those).

From FB it looks like neither Hope nor Bec and Kawl will be making the cut. I think the former is probably an awkward page count with the 3rd longer arc. And I suspect no one will be that disappointed about the lack of Bec and Kawl, I'm certainly not anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 December, 2022, 05:10:01 PM
Is Mazeworld a 'gamebook', I remember a lot of publications attempting them in the midst of the CYOA/Fighting Fantasy craze including the Starblazer digest books (not related to the anime) that were incidentally not a success.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 15 December, 2022, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 15 December, 2022, 05:10:01 PM
Is Mazeworld a 'gamebook', I remember a lot of publications attempting them in the midst of the CYOA/Fighting Fantasy craze including the Starblazer digest books (not related to the anime) that were incidentally not a success.

No. It's a 3 part fantasy/adventure story from Alan Grant with Arthur Ranson on art duties http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=adamc
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 15 December, 2022, 07:06:36 PM
I expect whatever Dredd book was coming was fixed for 140, and they have now moved it. This happened with the extension of the Transformers collection: when they learnt it was extended they adjusted the last of the original 80 volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 16 December, 2022, 12:59:41 PM
I am not so sure about that. I think the whole one dredd book thing was something we just thought was going to happen. if you look at the series in the extension they are all listed next to each other if they are part of a series and middenface is right next to the strontium dogs series
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 16 December, 2022, 01:10:00 PM
Regarding Dredd taken from the Facebook page

"We can confirm we have several Dredd titles planned in this extension, with Dredd & Anderson coming in the near future. This is the only title we can confirm at the moment though. The rest are not guaranteed and subject to change, so please bear this in mind."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 December, 2022, 02:06:43 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 16 December, 2022, 12:59:41 PM
I think the whole one dredd book thing was something we just thought was going to happen.

No, it was 'confirmed' on Facebook long ago that a Dredd book was planned, and as more and more books were released a process of elimination suggested it had to be book 117.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 December, 2022, 02:56:03 PM
Quote from: sintec on 15 December, 2022, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 15 December, 2022, 05:10:01 PM
Is Mazeworld a 'gamebook', I remember a lot of publications attempting them in the midst of the CYOA/Fighting Fantasy craze including the Starblazer digest books (not related to the anime) that were incidentally not a success.

No. It's a 3 part fantasy/adventure story from Alan Grant with Arthur Ranson on art duties http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=adamc

Gotcha, it sounds like a prime title for a gamebook series. Perhaps IPC or DC Thomson did attempt one.

Ah, I may have been thinking of Dice Man
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 December, 2022, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: paulbyrnewex on 16 December, 2022, 01:10:00 PM
Regarding Dredd taken from the Facebook page

"We can confirm we have several Dredd titles planned in this extension, with Dredd & Anderson coming in the near future. This is the only title we can confirm at the moment though. The rest are not guaranteed and subject to change, so please bear this in mind."

Several Dredd titles planned with the first being Dredd & Anderson. Think Indigo might be right with his guess of movie Dredd.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 16 December, 2022, 06:54:28 PM
A couple of books with all the Movie Dredd would be very welcome!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 16 December, 2022, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 16 December, 2022, 06:54:28 PM
A couple of books with all the Movie Dredd would be very welcome!
What even the 1995 movie with artwork by Carlos
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 16 December, 2022, 10:52:55 PM
 What even the 1995 movie with artwork by Carlos
[/quote]

Any excuse to include some Carlos artwork should be taken.
Given we are getting some creator owned stuff, the Armageddon strip by Alan Grant and Carlos would be a welcome addition to fill out any slim volume...

Even Bob the Galactic Bum could fit in somewhere due to it's megazine reprint ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 16 December, 2022, 11:10:42 PM
The movie adaptation is not exactly Carlos's best work though. I'm sure there's better stuff to choose from.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 18 December, 2022, 01:37:32 PM
You do get to see what he thinks Dredd would look like though, as he has to draw him without the helmet.

Didn't it suffer from being in that digital transition period?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 18 December, 2022, 04:48:36 PM
You do it's Stallone but with the Dredd chin
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 19 December, 2022, 12:02:12 AM
I dunno. Do we think this looks like Stallone (top right)?

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/judgedredd/images/e/ee/Faces_of_Dredd.jpg)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 19 December, 2022, 04:13:12 PM
Quote from: rogue69 on 16 December, 2022, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 16 December, 2022, 06:54:28 PM
A couple of books with all the Movie Dredd would be very welcome!
What even the 1995 movie with artwork by Carlos

I was actually only thinking about the second Movie Dredd and all the follow-on stories which came from that.

Quotes fixed—IP
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 20 December, 2022, 10:18:50 PM
I'm just reading through Strontium Dogs Vol 2.

Now I first started reading the progs in the last few episodes of the Final Solution, so Johnny's death meant absolutely nothing to me at the time. Subsequently I remember quite liking the Gronkinator stuff at the time.


BOY WAS I WRONG.


Maybe the art won me over. At least it's clear what is happening. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 December, 2022, 10:27:31 PM
i may be a bit biast because i was a sonic the comic lad but nigels art is the ONLY good thing about that run of strontium dogs
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 December, 2022, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 20 December, 2022, 10:18:50 PM
I'm just reading through Strontium Dogs Vol 2.

Now I first started reading the progs in the last few episodes of the Final Solution, so Johnny's death meant absolutely nothing to me at the time. Subsequently I remember quite liking the Gronkinator stuff at the time.


BOY WAS I WRONG.


Maybe the art won me over. At least it's clear what is happening.

yeah definitely one of the books that the collection would have been better off without imo. Only reason to include it is completeness. I'm hoping vol 3 and the Middenface book are better.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 December, 2022, 02:58:48 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 20 December, 2022, 10:18:50 PMBOY WAS I WRONG.

Is that the story where it turns out [spoiler]Johnny Alpha was 'alive' in a cave all along, and Gronk has to shoot him? That really pissed me off. Awful plotting.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 21 December, 2022, 03:23:11 PM
Although he was takig his time about it, I was hoping that Peter Hogan would bring things back to a better place, what with re-0establishing the Stronts as Bounty Hunters - sadly, it was all too protracted then give the chop as part of a necessary dead wood clearing on the part of Dark Days Bish-Op. 

Whle a tiny bit of me wonders where it ws all going, a far bigger part of me thinks it was all for the best
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 December, 2022, 03:31:14 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 December, 2022, 02:58:48 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 20 December, 2022, 10:18:50 PMBOY WAS I WRONG.

Is that the story where it turns out [spoiler]Johnny Alpha was 'alive' in a cave all along, and Gronk has to shoot him? That really pissed me off. Awful plotting.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Johnny died with none of his longtime supporting cast around him; all in all it was a massive wasted oppurtunity. I totally understand Ennis, a genuine SD fan, wanting to write his own 'version' of Johnny's death, where the Gronk gets to say goodbye.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Leigh S on 21 December, 2022, 03:37:15 PM
Yeah, I think Ennis's "version" is not quite as aggressively anger inducing in me as Grants in Final Solution.

If you are given the task of following on from FS, you are going to sturggle if you choose to engage with it

Wagner had exactly the same problem with Life and Death, with trying to unpick or make sense of the senselessness of Final Solution being a hiding to nothing
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 21 December, 2022, 11:23:00 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 December, 2022, 02:58:48 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 20 December, 2022, 10:18:50 PMBOY WAS I WRONG.

Is that the story where it turns out [spoiler]Johnny Alpha was 'alive' in a cave all along, and Gronk has to shoot him? That really pissed me off. Awful plotting.[/spoiler]

That's the story afterwards.

Actually the story before, Monster, isn't totally terrible apart from a massive out of nowhere coincidence meeting in the penultimate chapter kind of undermining the otherwise half thoughtful storyline.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2022, 11:19:42 AM
I didn't mind Monster. It was fine. I did mind [spoiler]Gronk finding Alpha, only for Alpha to be casually tossed away again and killed by a violent version of his friend. It just felt stupid. And while I get people's dislike of Final Solution, and would have preferred the comic not kill off its best character, the story itself worked fine for me, despite the weird and jarring switch in art styles – twice[/spoiler].
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 December, 2022, 12:19:14 PM
and now it doesn't matter at all since wagner ignored all that
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2022, 09:50:00 PM
"We do have plans for Scarlet Traces" is the most recent response. Oooh.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 22 December, 2022, 11:07:41 PM
Seriously considering switching to cherry picking now

I have almost everything that has been announced thus far ion the extension, and shelf space is an issue ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 05 January, 2023, 01:02:48 PM
Received 137 & 138 this week. Don't know who decided to run the ends of Strontium Dogs and Finn back to back in the UC but it's hardly the most inspiring pairing, and the intros and extras are fairly apologetic and sound glad to see the backs of both of them. Less of this in the extension, please.

Royal Mail giving them a right sledgehammering didn't raise my levels of enthusiasm either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 05 January, 2023, 02:11:13 PM
Hi guys - long time lurker, first time poster. I've been collecting since Issue 1, will post thoughts later but for now, you guys might enjoy these:

(https://preview.redd.it/y9cfqgw5qp9a1.png?width=3508&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c66044a2d0c9e4e3245e963985acddc46db6eb0)

(https://preview.redd.it/lde8ggw5qp9a1.png?width=3508&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a2eddf6e9ac3d08bd92b8a360d527277eab3e45)

I created a list of all issues to help you find them easily in your collections. This goes up to 140, (where I believe the boo cook art is supposed to end?).

These are Hi-rez pngs so suitable for printing. I printed double side on a sheet of paper and laminated it.

Cheers

Michael
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 January, 2023, 03:24:08 PM
How's that for a debut post? Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 05 January, 2023, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 05 January, 2023, 01:02:48 PM
Royal Mail giving them a right sledgehammering didn't raise my levels of enthusiasm either.
This was the first time in a long while I had to request a replacement as well. FB mods were happy to oblige.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 January, 2023, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 05 January, 2023, 01:02:48 PM
Received 137 & 138 this week. Don't know who decided to run the ends of Strontium Dogs and Finn back to back in the UC but it's hardly the most inspiring pairing, and the intros and extras are fairly apologetic and sound glad to see the backs of both of them. Less of this in the extension, please.

Yeah I'm about half-way through the SD book. It's better than the Ennis stuff imo but it's still not a book I can see myself revisiting much.

Started Finn last night as I thought I'd switch things up. It's so very very 90s it hurts. The repro isn't great on some of it either. There were a couple of bits of text that were verging on illegible for me (white on black with squiggly font).

If this is some of the best the Prog had to offer in that era then I can see why people stopped reading.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 January, 2023, 04:46:49 PM
Looking at Barney, Finn rocked up in #770, which was... OK. Quite good Dredd and Durham Red, but also the ill-advised Skizz sequel and Trash. Although by the end of Finn's first run, we had Tales From Beyond Science (quite nice), a very dodgy Ennis Dredd, The Clown (risible to me, but it has its fans), and Fleisher's Harlem Heroes reboot. By the end of the entire run of Finn (#999), 2000 AD was out of its tailspin, but still not in a great place, although firmer footings were bing created, most notably by Wagner's Dredd.

Honestly, I've no idea why I carried on reading during that period. Habit, probably. There was almost always something good (although, you know, not always (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=881)), but quite often only one strip. It's vanishingly rare that's the case these days – and certainly never for long.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 05 January, 2023, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: sintec on 05 January, 2023, 04:10:43 PM
If this is some of the best the Prog had to offer in that era then I can see why people stopped reading.
The 900s were a dark time, and I checked out not very long afterwards (just as the quality of the strips was turning a corner, it turns out). I've often wondered if my disdain was coloured by being a somewhat pretentious 20 year old with a massive Vertigo habit, but then I read some of this and 20 year old me, despite being so wrong about so many things, feels vindicated.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 06 January, 2023, 09:25:12 AM
Anyone got anything good to say about the second Finn volume? I really like the first two stories, which I've read several times since they first Prog'd, but have yet to re-read any of the strips form the 900s era Or rather, I think I did re-read bits of them once but can barely remember them...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 January, 2023, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 06 January, 2023, 09:25:12 AMAnyone got anything good to say about the second Finn volume?
I imagine a Mr P Mills of Twitterville might have, during those odd moments where he's not suggesting a conspiracy regarding why Rebellion hasn't reprinted every scrap of writing he's ever produced for the Prog, Crisis, etc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 06 January, 2023, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 05 January, 2023, 03:24:08 PM
How's that for a debut post? Welcome to the forum!

It'll do. It'll do.

Welcome aboard Michael!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 06 January, 2023, 03:45:28 PM
its a shame a clean version of the third spine art doesn't exist i want to know what the fuck that green blob in the backgrounds supposed to be
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 07 January, 2023, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 06 January, 2023, 03:45:28 PM
its a shame a clean version of the third spine art doesn't exist i want to know what the fuck that green blob in the backgrounds supposed to be

Ooo I missed the 'unclean' version, is there a link?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 07 January, 2023, 02:17:15 PM
as you can see its only the pencil version and its missing a chunk of it

(https://scontent.fman2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/126232490_2778159709179010_3776502745343156877_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=3YMyawknmcEAX9MUDPJ&_nc_ht=scontent.fman2-2.fna&oh=00_AfC8sOT24mlyPmEvK2FAJo4deunrI7E8CJNvKbK7Mj6HJA&oe=63E0E524)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Marbles on 07 January, 2023, 11:08:51 PM
Your 84 & 85 are both Defoe v1.
Also 70 & 71 are both Cabbs v1.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 09 January, 2023, 02:59:09 PM
Facepalm! I noticed the defoe but didnt see the Cabbs lol. will fix it another time if i update the list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 09 January, 2023, 05:58:35 PM
Just seen on the Forbidden Planet site they have issue 141 up for pre order and it's Al's Baby
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 09 January, 2023, 06:04:31 PM
I really liked the first two books of Finn. After that the quality declined sharply in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 10 January, 2023, 03:54:06 PM
Anyone have the full list of strips for Strontium Dogs Vol 3?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 January, 2023, 04:07:37 PM
Assuming it's accurate, the Wiki page does (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD:_The_Ultimate_Collection).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 January, 2023, 08:42:01 PM
yup thats an accurate set of contents
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 11 January, 2023, 10:14:03 AM
Cheers lads.
A couple of niggling omissions (a Durham Red text story with Harrison illustrations and the original 'Walking Lady' story by Hogan), but otherwise a very decent collection.

I have oft lauded the Hogan run, but never read it through in it's entirety - this will be an interesting dose of nostalgia in the reading armchair.
It's also quite the collection of early Mark Harrison artwork, from the fully painted pre-Lawnmower Man era.
Even if the story leaves you cold, it has to be worth the pick-up for that alone.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 11 January, 2023, 03:10:49 PM
the original walking lady storys in vol 1
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 January, 2023, 04:17:57 PM
Well the Durham Red tales were definitely the pick of the bunch across those 2 books. The Middenface led SD strips just felt a bit meh in comparison. Hoping that doesn't continue into his solo book which is up soon.

Finn was a trudge, I cared less and less about all of the characters as it went on. I think editorial made the right call on killing it off and bringing in fresh strips. The first book showed some promise, the second failed to really deliver on that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 16 January, 2023, 05:46:46 PM
Saw a reply on their FB page that there's another Slaine book planned. Unless there's some uncollected annual or yearbook material there's only 80-ish pages there. Interesting to see what it'll be paired with. Last arc of Defoe maybe?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 16 January, 2023, 07:19:10 PM
Maybe it's the last book in the series 'Dragontamer'? I think everything else has been collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2023, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 16 January, 2023, 05:46:46 PM
Saw a reply on their FB page that there's another Slaine book planned. Unless there's some uncollected annual or yearbook material there's only 80-ish pages there. Interesting to see what it'll be paired with. Last arc of Defoe maybe?
How much would the three Dice Man books add to that? It could also add all the art stuff cut from Book of Scars, although that would be a very different take from a typical Hachette volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 16 January, 2023, 09:51:40 PM
Diceman would add another 66 pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 17 January, 2023, 02:32:10 AM
how about that tomb of terror game thing?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 17 January, 2023, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 11 January, 2023, 03:10:49 PM
the original walking lady storys in vol 1

Gas - an unopened copy still sits on my shelf.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 17 January, 2023, 11:24:01 AM
Hello again chaps - just wanted to throw in my thoughts on the UC so far, what stories I liked etc. I was always aware of the prog and familiar with judge dredd, and a little bit of rogue trooper, but everything else was new to me. So I collected the UC, wanting to familiarise myself with some of the other series.

Overall - great idea for a collection. I always liked the Idea of 2000ad but hated that picking up a random issue left dropped you in the middle of a story. Getting everything from the beginning, in order, collected together - lovely!

Nikolia Dante - Standout win for me. Caught a few random episodes years ago and didnt like it (for reasons mentioned above, but reading it from the start right through - loved it!

Sinister Dexter - Loving it. Was glad to see it get extra volumes through the extensions, though nitpicky complaint is that they are now all spread out (one of the reasons why I made the chart I posted a few days ago)

Strontium Dog - I can appreciate the importance of this series but it wouldnt be one of my absolute favourites. havent read the dogs volumes from later on - theyre low on my priority pile. However, I did grow more attached to it the more I read. (Anecdotaly, I was put off in the beginning because my ex messed me around and ran off with a guy who looked a LOT like Johnny alpha, believe it or not lol.)

Nemesis the Warlock - Loved this, and appreciate that it wrapped up in a tight 4 volumes.

Slaine - Probably sacriligious to say this, but I wasnt fussed on the old stuff, but i loved the newer volumes. I can appreciate the lineart in the originals but the old 70s writing style has never been my favourite on any series. The more modern stuff with a more cinematic feel though, I love that.

Kingdom - One of my absolute favourites of the whole collection. Disappointed we never got more than 2 volumes and Im hoping it can be concluded in the new extension. Its supposed to be a finite series, yes? Just a few arcs left?

Invasion/Savage - Didnt expect to like this as much as I did. the first volume, again, older retro writing was fine, but the later savage series were great. Also, great BnW comic art.

Brink - Really enjoyed this.

Deadworld - love all the deadworld stuff. I cant imagine it will conclude any time soon but hope theres at least another volume in the extension.


I've read most of the other books in the UC but whilst I enjoyed them a lot didnt leave much of a lasting impression. Partly my fault though, I have a habit of consuming media fast to 'get it out of the way' -  same with books and videogames where soon after I can remember very little about them. The likes of SinDex and Nikolai Dante had multiple volumes over a couple of years to embed themselves in my memory but a lot of the other series were very short. I did enjoy Stickleback and Grey Area. Cradlegrave was a good one too. The rest though may never get read again.

I think the early collection was definitely stronger than the later extensions. If i was to do a clear out, it would definitely be the later stuf that would likely get tossed. I'm gonna cherry pick the lastest extension. Space/Money are a factor and barring continuations of series I already like it seems like diminishing returns at this point.

However, very glad I got to read and experience all that 2000ad had to offer - not everythings gonna be your favourite, but I've defininitly got a few great series out of it I'd never have had a chance to read before, and it's been a hell of an education!

Cheers guys



Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2023, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: michaelarby on 17 January, 2023, 11:24:01 AMKingdom - One of my absolute favourites of the whole collection. Disappointed we never got more than 2 volumes and Im hoping it can be concluded in the new extension. Its supposed to be a finite series, yes? Just a few arcs left?
I'm not sure what Dan Abnett's plans are, but the most recent arc did at least provide us with a full-stop of sorts, but with a fairly easy option to continue. So if it ends here, so be it. (See also, eg: Halo Jones.) But he could do more. And, yeah, that this hasn't been completed in the collection is a crying shame, but I imagine there's not enough strip to fill a book at this point. (I, in a rare move, bought the 2000 AD paperback to plug the gap, like I did with Lawless – although, there, I bought the entire run.)

QuoteI think the early collection was definitely stronger than the later extensions. If i was to do a clear out, it would definitely be the later stuf that would likely get tossed. I'm gonna cherry pick the lastest extension.
It's interesting to see a newcomer to this stuff provide their insight. Personally, I thought the first extension was excellent. I was delighted to see Red Seas, a Lobster Random HC, Brink, Ten Seconders, Fiends, Indigo Prime and Jaegir in particular. But I was done at that point and have since retained only three books from the second extension. (Revere, Stickleback and Cradlegrave. If I didn't already have them in HC, I'd have likely bought Brass Sun, Deadworld and Leviathan though. And I was tempted by Devlin, but annoyed that it stopped short of including some of the really great Kot strips.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 17 January, 2023, 12:14:06 PM
I should also point out that at 36, a lot of the 70s/80s stuff was before I was born and 90s/2000s media would be my my sweet spot. probably why I like what I like!

I can recall enjoying Ten Seconders and Jaegir, and Leviathan too. Lobster Random is on my bedside table at the minute, not bad but im not in the mindset to go through it. Brass sun V1 was decent but I havent read v2 yet. Devlin Waugh is also sitting unread. (Ive averaged having about 15 still to read at any one time lol). Red seas was decent. I just have the final volume to read. I've never been a big 'pirates and s,orcery' guy though so thats why im in no rush to finish it. But again, I do appreciate that its a tight 4 volumes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 January, 2023, 01:19:55 PM
Great insights from a new reader there michaelarby. Some quality top picks you've pulled out and delighted you got on so well with Nikolai Dante. Long believe this series should be lauded alongside the comic great if it'd somehow got the exposure it deserves, but the hardbound collection are just glorious.

Sinister Dexter is another fav of mine, as the poor souls here have been subjected to on many occasions. The scatter gun way its been presented in the Ultimate Collection is fitting given how its been treated in the Prog in  that last 20 years! One day it will get the complete collection it deserves.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2023, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: michaelarby on 17 January, 2023, 11:24:01 AMKingdom - One of my absolute favourites of the whole collection. Disappointed we never got more than 2 volumes and Im hoping it can be concluded in the new extension. Its supposed to be a finite series, yes? Just a few arcs left?
I'm not sure what Dan Abnett's plans are, but the most recent arc did at least provide us with a full-stop of sorts, but with a fairly easy option to continue.

For some reason I seem to think we've heard that it is planned to be continued. The full stop is there to give it an ending while it was on hiatus so Dabnett and Elson could focus on different things. While I enjoy Feral and Foe well enough I personally can't wait for this modern classic to be back.

Really interesting to see the way you have mixed and varied views in the 'classics' and seem a big fan of the more modern classics. A view I broadly share.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2023, 01:24:47 PM
Probably also worth noting, @michaelarby, with Devlin you're coming to it part-way through. The earlier strips were in the Dredd collection. As for a reader's age, that probably defines quite a lot. I imagine quite a few folks of the older generation align with older material in part for nostalgic reasons, or because that's when they stopped following the language of comics. Personally, I can take or leave a lot of the classic material (which surprised me – I thought I'd love rereading more than I did).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 17 January, 2023, 03:07:26 PM
I think age and nostalgia definitely play a big part for these kinda things - Its like that old cartoon strip where the joke was along the lines of 'science has proven that pop culture peaked when YOU were 12 years old. Yes YOU, the person reading this right now'

RE: Kingdom, I cant remember where I read it, but I could have swore that somewhere, it was stated that Kingdom was to be 10 arcs. The ultimate collection had the first 6 so maybe a big volume could hold the final 4. Maybe that full stop point you mentioned was the 10th arc already, I wasnt keeping track!

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 January, 2023, 03:25:01 PM
Barney says there's been 8 in the Prog so far (didn't think it was quite that but I'll never doubt Barney). So if that's correct we still have 2 to go.

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=2000AD&choice=KINGDOM (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=2000AD&choice=KINGDOM)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 02:14:27 PM
Couple of new books up on the site:

141 -
142 -
143 -
144 -
145 -
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 – Age of the Wolf
150 -
151 -
152 -
153 -
154 – Mean Team
155 -
156 -
157 -
158 -
159 -
160 -
161 – Al's Baby
162 -
163 -
164 -
165 -
166 -
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 -
174 -
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 -
179 – Dredd & Anderson (Movie Dredd)
180 –

Also confirmed are; Armoured Gideon, Zenith (2 books) and Slaine (1 book). Tacitly but not definitely confirmed are Dan Dare (3 books?) and Mazeworld (1 book?).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 02:31:11 PM
Worth pointing out that Mean Team will also contain Bad City Blue, and - given that Hilary Robinson is credited on the cover - possibly also Chronos Carnival.

Not a volume I think I'll be picking up, but definitely one to make the completists happy!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 23 January, 2023, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 02:31:11 PM
Worth pointing out that Mean Team will also contain Bad City Blue, and - given that Hilary Robinson is credited on the cover - possibly also Chronos Carnival.

I'd be very surprised — ISTR that Hilary made a bit of a fuss about the lack of contracts (which editorial were a bit lax about sending out) and got the rights back to all the strips she (co) created for 2000AD. I think the management at the time didn't consider Chronos Carnival or Medivac 318 top tier material and were prepared to let them go just to settle the matter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 23 January, 2023, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 02:31:11 PM
Worth pointing out that Mean Team will also contain Bad City Blue, and - given that Hilary Robinson is credited on the cover - possibly also Chronos Carnival.

I'd be very surprised — ISTR that Hilary made a bit of a fuss about the lack of contracts (which editorial were a bit lax about sending out) and got the rights back to all the strips she (co) created for 2000AD. I think the management at the time didn't consider Chronos Carnival or Medivac 318 top tier material and were prepared to let them go just to settle the matter.

Yeah, it just clicked - it'll be the Henry Moon epilogue, won't it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 January, 2023, 03:02:53 PM
If the page count is right for the Dredd/Anderson book (272 pages according the Hachette) then that's going to be quite the tome. Is that enough space for all the movie continuity strips?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 03:21:34 PM
Quote from: sintec on 23 January, 2023, 03:02:53 PM
If the page count is right for the Dredd/Anderson book (272 pages according the Hachette) then that's going to be quite the tome. Is that enough space for all the movie continuity strips?

My quick space maths makes it:

Top of the World, Ma-Ma - 6
Underbelly - 30
Uprise - 50
Dust - 50
Furies - 30
Anderson: The Deep End - 20
Anderson: Judgement Call - 10
The Dead World - 52

for about 250 pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 23 January, 2023, 03:36:38 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 03:00:14 PM
Yeah, it just clicked - it'll be the Henry Moon epilogue, won't it?

That was my first thought. Imo including this tale is a no-brainer not only because Henry Moon is an awesome, bonkers concept but because for all the critical panning it got, the epilogue gives a far better and more satisfying ending than the actual ending of Mean Team.
I'd still like to read a series just about Henry Moon, solving mysteries and then going to sleep in somebody's washing.

Otherwise, I appreciate not much announced so far but hoping for some stuff that hasn't already been reprinted.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 January, 2023, 03:57:27 PM
the three series of mean team and bad city blue would make up pretty much the page count mentioned strange Robin smiths name or the storys names not on the cover early mock up maybe?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2023, 05:10:47 PM
Blimey. Two in a row I'll almost certainly buy. Age of the Wolf (despite its goofy wolves) was a series I enjoyed. Although I do already have it in SC, and so am not 100% sure I'll ugprade. The Dredd/Anderson book feels like a no-brainer though, even if I wasn't overly keen on how it ended.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 23 January, 2023, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 03:21:34 PM
My quick space maths makes it:

Top of the World, Ma-Ma - 6
Underbelly - 30
Uprise - 50
Dust - 50
Furies - 30
Anderson: The Deep End - 20
Anderson: Judgement Call - 10
The Dead World - 52

for about 250 pages.

If they add in the 12-page Trinity from prog 2262, that leaves room for end pages and titles to bring it to 272?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 23 January, 2023, 07:42:55 PM
I have 'Al's Baby' on pre-order from Forbidden Planet and will be picking up 'Age of the Wolf' and 'Movie Dredd'. Of the other titles mooted only 'Mazeworld' really appeals.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 24 January, 2023, 10:40:04 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 23 January, 2023, 03:57:27 PM
The three series of Mean Team and Bad City Blue would make up pretty much the page count mentioned. Strange Robin Smith's name or the story's name's not on the cover. Early mock up, maybe?

Not always a given. Slaughterbowl, Absalom and Tor Cyan weren't listed on the covers of Mean Arena, Caballistics and Mercy Heights.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 24 January, 2023, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: Lawman of the Present on 23 January, 2023, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2023, 03:21:34 PM
My quick space maths makes it:

Top of the World, Ma-Ma - 6
Underbelly - 30
Uprise - 50
Dust - 50
Furies - 30
Anderson: The Deep End - 20
Anderson: Judgement Call - 10
The Dead World - 52

for about 250 pages.

If they add in the 12-page Trinity from prog 2262, that leaves room for end pages and titles to bring it to 272?

Yeah that'd be a nice book. Trinity would be a lovely little inclusion.

I guess Mean Team has some Bellardinelli art. Otherwise yeah not too excited about that stories inclusion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 24 January, 2023, 07:01:08 PM
With issue 140 now released has anyone seen the spine art for the extended, extended editions
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 25 January, 2023, 04:25:45 PM
I'll pick up the dredd and slaine book, and you guys have piqued my interest with all the positive comments about zenith and Armoured Gideon so ill keep an eye for those too. but the rest are just meaningless names to me now that ive decided to cherry pick - I'll need yous all to keep me right on what to pick up and what to leave ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 25 January, 2023, 05:58:10 PM
139 and 140 arrived today. Strangely the Middenface volume is missing one seemingly random story, Midnapped from megs 234-236. Outside of Durham Red there's only A Sorry Case, Tales From The Doghouse, the Stix FCBD one-off and a few post-Carlos stories left uncollected afaik so hopefully we'll get one last SD volume to round it all off
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2023, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: michaelarby on 25 January, 2023, 04:25:45 PM
I'll need yous all to keep me right on what to pick up and what to leave ;)

One thing that's perhaps worth doing is keeping an eye on Rebellion's store for sales. A few times now, Zenith HCs there have been 50% off, which would still be more than overall Hachette pricing, but for physically larger books. Similarly, Dan Dare was released by Rebellion across two chunky HCs, although the first might now be sold out, IIRC.

As for which books, I suspect that as ever that'll come down to people's individual preferences. Age of the Wolf was divisive at the time, but its werewolf shenanigans might align with your keenness for newer fare. It isn't a top tier thrill though, much as I liked it myself. And the same is true for Armoured Gideon, which has a superb robot design and some interesting ideas, but to some degree lurks in guilty pleasure territory. (I recall it being enjoyable silly, myself, but I've not read the entire thing for years.) Mean Team, however, is only worth bothering with if you like 1980s comics about future sports. I always found that strip quite dull.

Al's Baby is fun enough, but for me outstayed its welcome. Not sure if I still have the Rebellion trade but I'm not tempted to upgrade. Movie Dredd was interesting. For me, the main error was the last series. It felt a lot like Tharg was saying "end it". I'd have, in all honesty, happily continued reading strips about movie Dredd indefinitely, and discovering how that world could have evolved on the page. Bah.

Mazeworld is tempting. Another I have on the shelf here, but... I like HCs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 26 January, 2023, 01:46:26 PM
I've picked up quite a few of the things slated for this extension in Rebellion Christmas sales and with my subscriber discount voucher. At the time they were a good deal and I figured if they turned up in the UC then I'd either give them to a mate of sell them on. Will have to wait and see what the Hachette books look like before I know what's going and staying (especially as all my books are in boxes at the moment due to DIY). But towards the end of the run I may well be selling off some of the doubles.

Mazeworld has glorious Arthur Ranson art, it I was cherry-picking and didn't already own the paperback that one would be on my must buy list. I'd agree with Indigo re Al's Baby; the first series is a good silly comedy from Wagner & Ezquerra but the sequels feel like they stretch the joke a bit too far.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 30 January, 2023, 04:50:31 PM
The preview for Al's Baby on the back of prog 2317 shows part of the new spine. It's definitely a new artist on it but I'm not sure who. Characters we can make out are Rowan from Age Of The Wolf, Slim from Harlem Heroes and Shako so there's a couple more series confirmed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 30 January, 2023, 11:22:27 PM
I think someone mentioned Bill Willshaw was doing the spine art
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 31 January, 2023, 09:22:44 AM
Not Ben Willsher?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 31 January, 2023, 03:16:28 PM
With the intro to the latest Sin/Dex book starting "Welcome to the final volume of Sinister Dexter in the Ultimate Collection" I thought I'd check with their FB to see if this was still true with the extension. Apparently there aren't any plans for more so doesn't look like we'll be bringing that right up to date sadly.

Harlem Heroes is going to need 2 books. More if they continue past Inferno (hopefully not).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 31 January, 2023, 06:37:53 PM
Quote from: sintec on 31 January, 2023, 03:16:28 PM
With the intro to the latest Sin/Dex book starting "Welcome to the final volume of Sinister Dexter in the Ultimate Collection" I thought I'd check with their FB to see if this was still true with the extension. Apparently there aren't any plans for more so doesn't look like we'll be bringing that right up to date sadly.

Harlem Heroes is going to need 2 books. More if they continue past Inferno (hopefully not).

A shame, especially as the Dan Abnett interview at the back does touch upon the newer material. Would have been nice to read the 25th anniversary storyline in one single book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 01 February, 2023, 05:29:55 AM
that story is still ongoing
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 01 February, 2023, 08:24:24 AM
The extension takes us into late 2024 so I'm sure it'll have wrapped long before then (or we'll have enough for a new volume). We've had similarly recent books, like the Returners. Matt's intro is quite final though. Guess unless we get issues 181+ it's not happening. Surely we can't have more books to come after these next 40...?!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 February, 2023, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: Anthony Garnon on 01 February, 2023, 08:24:24 AM
The extension takes us into late 2024 so I'm sure it'll have wrapped long before then...

This is Sinister Dexter we're talking about. The War of the Moses ran for nine years. Nine!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 01 February, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
I just picked up the Fall of Deadworld collection and thought something seemed off as we were too quickly and too familiar with some of the characters.

Turns out I'd not read Book 3 of the collection Dark Justice.

As I'm on a delayed sub I've just got Blunt through the letterbox. Not heard anything about this but I love Boo Cook. Anyone have any views?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 February, 2023, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Anthony Garnon on 01 February, 2023, 08:24:24 AMSurely we can't have more books to come after these next 40...?!
I imagine this would be down to two factors: whether the series remains profitable, and whether there's agreement about the viability of further volumes. 2000 AD has a lot of history, but 180 books is a lot. The well will run dry more rapidly than it would for Marvel, for obvious reasons.

Quote from: Bad Andy on 01 February, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
I just picked up the Fall of Deadworld collection and thought something seemed off as we were too quickly and too familiar with some of the characters. Turns out I'd not read Book 3 of the collection Dark Justice.
Mm. It's a pity how this was compiled. (I've just been going for the Rebellion HCs instead. Although my enthusiasm for the series has waned a bit more of late, unfortunately.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 February, 2023, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 01 February, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
I just picked up the Fall of Deadworld collection and thought something seemed off as we were too quickly and too familiar with some of the characters.

Turns out I'd not read Book 3 of the collection Dark Justice.

Yep, pity it had to 'share' a book. You're also missing the last published story, Transpolar.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 February, 2023, 12:48:15 PM
Ahhh the wall of forum members in middenface mcnulty good times
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 February, 2023, 02:10:39 PM
Images of the (frankly awful) spine extension artwork are doing the rounds, and we can now add quite a few names to the 'confirmed' list -

Armoured Gideon, Shako, Harlem Heroes (and presumably Inferno), Proteus Vex, more Lawless, Kingmaker, Shako, Durham Red (Worley/Willsher), Scarlet Traces, Zenith (2 books) and a final book of Slaine. Tacitly but not definitely confirmed are Dan Dare and Mazeworld.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 February, 2023, 02:48:43 PM
I think the new art (https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/329526447_747111736611742_3236420780503174037_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=GIqRbmlQ7pQAX8Zbuy5&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=00_AfA1So0DpugDFCVzYpKOB5P4z1GC1Bp6IjpgAvJYBSLpCA&oe=63E6693E) looks good, but the change of artist jars. Odd they couldn't convince Boo to finish the collection. As for what's in there, some initial excitement faded a bit. Zenith: great, but I have the HCs already. Lawless: I bought the trades to continue, and think I'll stick with them, otherwise the series is weirdly split. Scarlet Traces: instabuy IF it includes War of the Worlds and is slated to get us up to where we are in the Prog. Vex: sigh. Of course. I already bought the trade. Durham Red: possibly maybe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 07 February, 2023, 04:09:20 PM
Ohhhh Lawless - that leaves me in a quandry. I have long hankered after a lovely collection BUT will it start fresh as weren't the earlier stories in the JD collection? Damnit what to do. I mean I have the trades and its not finished so I'd only be getting some of it in these collections (assuming they start at the start). I'm all of a quiver about what to do...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 07 February, 2023, 04:15:03 PM
Is that the High Rock I see floating in the top left corner above Zenith?

Not sure who the little robot dude down by Zenith's feet is either - really hoping that's not a sign of another Robo-hunter book but it has that sorta look.

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 07 February, 2023, 04:09:20 PMOhhhh Lawless - that leaves me in a quandry. I have long hankered after a lovely collection BUT will it start fresh as weren't the earlier stories in the JD collection? Damnit what to do. I mean I have the trades and its not finished so I'd only be getting some of it in these collections (assuming they start at the start). I'm all of a quiver about what to do...

Yeah I was just wondering if they'll repeat the stories from the MC. I suspect they might as it'd feel crappy dropping someone into the middle of a story like. Which will be annoying for those of us with both sets of books but there we go.

Very glad to see the Worley Durham getting included. The big downer for me here is just how much of this is now repeating stuff I've bought in trades over the last couple of years because it didn't look like it'd be getting included. My own fault for being impatient I guess but it does take some of the excitement out of things.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 07 February, 2023, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: sintec on 07 February, 2023, 04:15:03 PMIs that the High Rock I see floating in the top left corner above Zenith?

Not sure who the little robot dude down by Zenith's feet is either - really hoping that's not a sign of another Robo-hunter book but it has that sorta look.

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 07 February, 2023, 04:09:20 PMOhhhh Lawless - that leaves me in a quandry. I have long hankered after a lovely collection BUT will it start fresh as weren't the earlier stories in the JD collection? Damnit what to do. I mean I have the trades and its not finished so I'd only be getting some of it in these collections (assuming they start at the start). I'm all of a quiver about what to do...

Yeah I was just wondering if they'll repeat the stories from the MC. I suspect they might as it'd feel crappy dropping someone into the middle of a story like. Which will be annoying for those of us with both sets of books but there we go.

Very glad to see the Worley Durham getting included. The big downer for me here is just how much of this is now repeating stuff I've bought in trades over the last couple of years because it didn't look like it'd be getting included. My own fault for being impatient I guess but it does take some of the excitement out of things.

Oh yeah you are right re: high rock, well spotted.

Can anyone make out who is firing the gun from the '0' in the 2000ad logo?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 07 February, 2023, 07:24:47 PM
Quote from: OrnateColt on 07 February, 2023, 07:15:32 PMCan anyone make out who is firing the gun from the '0' in the 2000ad logo?
Looks like Bad Jack Keller his own bad self.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 07 February, 2023, 07:25:56 PM
Oh yeah—and welcome to the party, OrnateColt
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 07 February, 2023, 07:28:02 PM
Cheers, very pleased to be here
Quote from: JWare on 07 February, 2023, 07:25:56 PMOh yeah—and welcome to the party, OrnateColt

Cheers, very pleased to be here
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 07 February, 2023, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: sintec on 07 February, 2023, 04:15:03 PMNot sure who the little robot dude down by Zenith's feet is either - really hoping that's not a sign of another Robo-hunter book but it has that sorta look.
Sorry to break it to you, Sintec, but I'm pretty sure that's a Teeny Mek from Robo-Hunter.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 February, 2023, 08:28:15 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 07 February, 2023, 04:09:20 PMBUT will it start fresh as weren't the earlier stories in the JD collection?
The original policy was no duplication. I imagine that would hold for Lawless in the same way it has for Devlin Waugh. As for the Teeny Mek, perhaps that's just linking it in with the Samantha Slade book? I can't imagine Matt Smith is mean enough to foist Mark Millar Robots-Hunter on everyone. (And there's not nearly enough Hughes/Hogan Robo-Hunter to fill a book.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 07 February, 2023, 09:51:52 PM
Anyone know who the guy with the cloak and raven between Lawson and the orc is?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 07 February, 2023, 10:04:22 PM
Um...Black Siddha?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 07 February, 2023, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: JWare on 07 February, 2023, 10:04:22 PMUm...Black Siddha?

Oh, Christ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 07 February, 2023, 10:37:02 PM
Thanks! Can't say I'm thrilled with more Mills, especially as it's said to be in the same vein as Finn but it could always be worse. Think we've got about 20 books sussed out now, Including Dan Dare and Mazeworld?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 08 February, 2023, 08:34:56 AM
I really hope tharg being there means we get a tharg book i really do not want to be cucked out of one twice xd

also the teeny mek appears to be part of the image with the last extentions stuff on it so i would not expect another robohunter book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 February, 2023, 12:23:41 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 07 February, 2023, 10:37:02 PMThanks! Can't say I'm thrilled with more Mills, especially as it's said to be in the same vein as Finn but it could always be worse. Think we've got about 20 books sussed out now, Including Dan Dare and Mazeworld?

I make it 24!

That's assuming they continue Lawless where the MC left off and bring it up to date - otherwise add another book there.

Given they've opened the creator owned floodgates I'll be surprised if we don't see Buttonman take up another 2 books to take us to 26.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 08 February, 2023, 01:16:08 PM
Imagine if the Harry 20 volume gathered other prison-based thrills.
Stalag 666!
Dead Men Walking!

I sense another classic volume coming... :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 08 February, 2023, 01:31:16 PM
Zenith would be 4 wouldn't it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 February, 2023, 01:40:11 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 08 February, 2023, 01:31:16 PMZenith would be 4 wouldn't it?

2 Phases per volume for 2 volumes. There's nowhere near enough material for 4!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 08 February, 2023, 03:14:40 PM
sintec - Are all those 24 books on your list confirmed? Are we sure to be getting 'Mazeworld', 'Proteus Vex' and 'Kingmaker'?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 February, 2023, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 08 February, 2023, 03:14:40 PMsintec - Are all those 24 books on your list confirmed? Are we sure to be getting 'Mazeworld', 'Proteus Vex' and 'Kingmaker'?

Proteus Vex and Kingmaker are on the spine image, so they're a certainty. Mazeworld is 'probably' due, but they haven't 100% confirmed it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 08 February, 2023, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 08 February, 2023, 03:14:40 PMsintec - Are all those 24 books on your list confirmed? Are we sure to be getting 'Mazeworld', 'Proteus Vex' and 'Kingmaker'?

As Dark Jimbo said most of them are on the recently revealed spine art (there's a link a page or so back on this thread I think). People asked about Mazeworld and Dan Dare on the FB group and got positive but not definite replies (can't remember the exact weasel words used) so those 4 volumes are less certain.

Hoping we'll get a Survival Geeks volume, it's the perfect page count and would be a fine addition to the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 09 February, 2023, 08:46:30 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 07 February, 2023, 10:37:02 PMThanks! Can't say I'm thrilled with more Mills, especially as it's said to be in the same vein as Finn but it could always be worse. Think we've got about 20 books sussed out now, Including Dan Dare and Mazeworld?

Is Black Siddha that bad? I was quite looking forward to this, I always enjoy Simon's art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 09 February, 2023, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: OrnateColt on 09 February, 2023, 08:46:30 AM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 07 February, 2023, 10:37:02 PMThanks! Can't say I'm thrilled with more Mills, especially as it's said to be in the same vein as Finn but it could always be worse. Think we've got about 20 books sussed out now, Including Dan Dare and Mazeworld?

Is Black Siddha that bad? I was quite looking forward to this, I always enjoy Simon's art.

I actually liked Black Siddha and you will never go wrong with Simon's art
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 February, 2023, 09:56:47 AM
Quote from: OrnateColt on 09 February, 2023, 08:46:30 AMIs Black Siddha that bad? I was quite looking forward to this, I always enjoy Simon's art.

I think the first series is excellent - one of Pat's best-ever. The wheels do start to come off a little after that, but I'd still recommend it over other Pat creations like Finn or Greysuit. And needless to say, Simon's art is superlative.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2023, 10:44:32 AM
It's been a long time since I read it, but I recall it being mostly OK and nudging a space above and below that at various points. The entire thing was bolstered by the art, of course. As a cherry picker, though, it's a no from me. Still, I'd have much preferred it to Greysuit in the original run. And I'd re-read Black Siddha 50 times over having to go back and deal with Finn again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 09 February, 2023, 01:20:06 PM
I'm not a fan of Black Siddha either, but I remember it being a pretty unique concept and definitely better than Finn or Greysuit.

I've been cherry-picking volumes also, and there's not much to get excited about here between stuff that's run very recently (Kingmaker, Vex), stuff that I already have in collected editions (Zenith, Mazeworld, Shako etc) and stuff that's just not all that good (Dan Dare, AotW). I don't think I need a hardback collection of Mean Team. Aside from Gideon I'm potentially interested in Harry On The High Rock, which I remember nothing about. Buttonman really should be in the collection if possible.

 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 09 February, 2023, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 09 February, 2023, 01:20:06 PMI'm potentially interested in Harry On The High Rock

Early(ish) Alan Davis artwork — a little rough around the edges, but you can still see it's got 'future superstar' stamped all over it. You'll either love the puntastic character names, or they'll annoy the crap out of you, but the story hangs together pretty well and benefits from being a finite thing. (Probably benefits a great deal from the uncredited, but apparently extensive, Alan Grant re-write of GFD's original scripts, too.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 February, 2023, 03:32:55 PM
it also has one of the best oh my god moments in 2000ad history but we all know what that is and if you don't then theres something to look forward to
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 February, 2023, 08:46:43 PM
My sleep hasn't been great and I finally got round to finishing the Durham Red book....very uneven and some of the art was very 'murky'.  The second extension has been very hit and miss in places.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 14 February, 2023, 10:58:01 AM
The second extension was equal parts hit and miss, for me. Some good stuff from Smith, Edginton and Abnett but the rest of the books felt like curios and deep dives (and some were just outright questionable choices). Nothing as essential the first extension. I'm not seeing much in this final (?) set to get too excited about. The spine art doesn't give a lot away and frankly, with a few notable exceptions, if a strip is from before 2010 and hasn't been included in the first 140 books, does it really deserve a place? I'd be very happy to get some more recent stories, although I've bought quite a few softcovers since the collection started and there's a strong risk of double-dipping.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 February, 2023, 11:18:49 AM
"if a strip is from before 2010 and hasn't been included in the first 140 books, does it really deserve a place?"

There are always going to be series that people do and don't like. But even at this stage, there are strips from 2000 AD's history that are arguably objectively great and that haven't yet been collected in the series – notably (IMO) Zenith and Scarlet Traces.

Is the entire list of books less 'essential'? Probably. But then I'd argue the same about even the first extension, which I personally thought was fantastic. The core stuff was mostly covered in those first 80 books.

Just out of curiosity, I thought I'd look at my own personal hit rate for the collection. For the first 80 volumes, it's about 75%. With the first extension, it's 77%. For the second extension, it's more like 40%, but a good chunk of that is personal taste (Sin/Dex, say). (My actual purchasing and not reselling for those volumes is lower: 14%. But a bunch of that is down to deciding to cherry pick from this point and not replace existing Rebellion volumes I am perfectly happy with.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 15 February, 2023, 09:24:53 PM
I have been wondering whether in the end to hang on to the entire collection.  I have the feeling there are large parts I wont bother reading again and they are taking up a lot of space at this point.  The general quality seems to be going down with some puzzling omissions like Dredds Black Atlantic for example.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 19 February, 2023, 03:44:40 PM
I'm in a similar bind. I like looking at the entire 140 collection but I know there will be a good handful of those books I wont ever read again. Am I better just to get rid and free up some much needed space...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 20 February, 2023, 12:00:54 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 09 February, 2023, 03:32:55 PMit also has one of the best oh my god moments in 2000ad history but we all know what that is and if you don't then theres something to look forward to
Just don't go looking up any covers galleries between now and then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 February, 2023, 11:04:21 AM
The Middenface book is far better than I was expecting it to be. Tbh after the 3 Strontium Dogs volumes I didn't have particularly high expectations for it at all. Turns out it's far better than most of the SD strips in those books. It's a great mix of humour and action with a few serious moments and some superb art. You can tell the creators are enjoying themselves. This book is the surprise hit of the 2nd extension imo, if you're cherry-picking and skipped it you might want to reconsider.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 February, 2023, 11:37:35 AM
Quote from: sintec on 21 February, 2023, 11:04:21 AMThe Middenface book is far better than I was expecting it to be. Tbh after the 3 Strontium Dogs volumes I didn't have particularly high expectations for it at all. Turns out it's far better than most of the SD strips in those books. It's a great mix of humour and action with a few serious moments and some superb art. You can tell the creators are enjoying themselves. This book is the surprise hit of the 2nd extension imo, if you're cherry-picking and skipped it you might want to reconsider.

It was always a bit inexplicable to me that the Young Middenface stories were never collected. Looking forward to this long-overdue volume.

The penultimate story was missed from this collection - does the book still read okay without it, Sintec?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 February, 2023, 11:55:25 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 February, 2023, 11:37:35 AMThe penultimate story was missed from this collection - does the book still read okay without it, Sintec?

I hadn't noticed but the final story felt like the weakest of the bunch which might be a consequence of the missing information. I'd put it down to Shaun Thomas' art which I found harder to follow than some of the gorgeous linework that had preceded it.

Very odd choice to miss 24 pages from Young Middenface's adventures - guess it was just a few pages too many.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 22 February, 2023, 08:19:07 PM
Has anyone received 141 and 142 yet
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 February, 2023, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: moly on 22 February, 2023, 08:19:07 PMHas anyone received 141 and 142 yet
yup just now.
Intro to Al's Baby makes mention of Button Man, but sadly then doesn't go on to say they'll included it later (which they tend to).

Backup to Mean Team is Bad City Blue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 February, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Sorry if I missed it, but is there a picture of the new spine art anywhere?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 February, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: Arkady on 23 February, 2023, 01:35:07 PMSorry if I missed it, but is there a picture of the new spine art anywhere?
there was, a bit back upthread, but the link has expired. It's more of a collage, with different styles of 2000AD logo and characters in the foreground.

EDIT: here it is
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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Arkady on 23 February, 2023, 01:54:35 PM
Mmm. The colouring change is quite jarring.

Do we know why Boo Cook didn't do it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Proudhuff on 23 February, 2023, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: sintec on 21 February, 2023, 11:04:21 AMThe Middenface book is far better than I was expecting it to be. Tbh after the 3 Strontium Dogs volumes I didn't have particularly high expectations for it at all. Turns out it's far better than most of the SD strips in those books. It's a great mix of humour and action with a few serious moments and some superb art. You can tell the creators are enjoying themselves. This book is the surprise hit of the 2nd extension imo, if you're cherry-picking and skipped it you might want to reconsider.

First one of these I've cherry picked in a long, long time. and worth reading these collected, never worked for me when in the Meg with a month between five or so pages, you do get into the rhythm of the tales and speak in this collection. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 February, 2023, 02:52:08 PM
No disrespect to Ben Willsher - his character artwork isn't the problem - but I think it's an absolute mess. Like a placeholder knocked up by the work expierience kid.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 23 February, 2023, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 February, 2023, 02:52:08 PMNo disrespect to Ben Willsher - his character artwork isn't the problem - but I think it's an absolute mess. Like a placeholder knocked up by the work expierience kid.

Hmm that was my reaction to the image floating around, but having seen a couple of the spines now, I think it will look better 'in the flesh'
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 24 February, 2023, 06:25:56 PM
i kinda wish there was more characters on it i get what they are going fo showing the various 2000ad logos but some of it feels so empty if that makes sense?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 February, 2023, 10:54:50 AM
Return of the Mean Team really is drivel isn't it :(  The first book was at least readable but this is a real struggle. What a sad waste of Bellardinelli's art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 February, 2023, 11:22:55 AM
Quote from: sintec on 27 February, 2023, 10:54:50 AMReturn of the Mean Team really is drivel isn't it :(  The first book was at least readable but this is a real struggle. What a sad waste of Bellardinelli's art.

Have to be honest one of my least favourite thrills ever.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 27 February, 2023, 11:43:04 AM
wasn't this one of Bellardinellis final strips he ever did for 2000ad which makes it even sadder
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: mitchuk on 27 February, 2023, 11:50:15 AM
Find it bit weird that Hachette haven't confirmed the extension outside of Facebook, latest issues showed up with no mention of the extension or how many extra issues there would be, must have took a few people by surprise.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 27 February, 2023, 12:13:20 PM
My wife was impressed with the Mean Team group pose picture on the back of last weeks Prog and asked if it was as good as it looked (which was exactly the reaction I had when I first saw it as a star scan)
It fell to me to explain to her why it was not. From Ding Dong Dooley to the reveal of the 'magic word', absolute drivel sums it up. It's a good job it looks stunning else surely it wouldn't have made this collection - I think Bellardinelli's lovely artwork is far better in the risible part 2 than in part 1.

On the flipside though, we could use more Henry Moon!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 February, 2023, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 27 February, 2023, 11:43:04 AMwasn't this one of Bellardinellis final strips he ever did for 2000ad which makes it even sadder
Judging by Barney, yes. From what I can tell, Moon Runners was his series swansong, after the final Mean Team. He also did a handful of one-offs. But a horrible end for a one-time great.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 February, 2023, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 February, 2023, 01:31:42 PMJudging by Barney, yes. From what I can tell, Moon Runners was his series swansong, after the final Mean Team. He also did a handful of one-offs. But a horrible end for a one-time great.

I remember thinking, back then, as Bellardinelli kept getting stuck with (charitably) second-string thrills, that someone really needed to just write something for him. Look at (say) the Black Hole episodes of Blackhawk and then write something that just let him draw all the mad shit that he clearly loved.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 27 February, 2023, 03:34:20 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 February, 2023, 03:22:36 PMsomeone really needed to just write something for him.
I could well be wrong, but wasn't that the thinking behind Ace Trucking?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 27 February, 2023, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: JWare on 27 February, 2023, 03:34:20 PMI could well be wrong, but wasn't that the thinking behind Ace Trucking?

Could well have been, but Ace Trucking was long gone by then and it just seemed to me that no one was playing to Bellardinelli's artistic strengths any more and it seemed like, well, a waste.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 27 February, 2023, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 27 February, 2023, 12:13:20 PMI think Bellardinelli's lovely artwork is far better in the risible part 2 than in part 1.

On the flipside though, we could use more Henry Moon!

Yeah I think book 2 plays towards Bellarindelli's strength for crazy alien worlds and weird creatues a lot more than book 1 did. If it wasn't for the art I think I'd have given up a couple of episodes in.

This one is definitely in the running for worst book in the collection for me. It's final position all hinges on Bad City Blue at this point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 28 February, 2023, 12:38:58 PM
Next three volumes are up on the Hachette site
145: Snow/Tiger: Pax Americana
146: Zenith Vol 1
147: Return To Armageddon
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 28 February, 2023, 01:15:46 PM
Oh, nice! Looks like Snow/Tiger will also have Bendatti Vendetta (Morrison/Burns). Not sure why Abnett and Sullivan are on the cover though...?

141 -
142 -
143 -
144 -
145 -
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 – Age of the Wolf
150 -
151 -
152 -
153 – Return to Armageddon
154 – Mean Team
155 -
156 – Snow/Tiger
157 -
158 -
159 -
160 -
161 – Al's Baby
162 -
163 – Zenith volume I
164 – Zenith volume 2
165 -
166 -
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 -
174 -
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 -
179 – Dredd & Anderson
180 –

Also confirmed are; Armoured Gideon, Shako, Harlem Heroes (and presumably Inferno), Proteus Vex, more Lawless, Kingmaker, Shako, Durham Red (Worley/Willsher), Scarlet Traces, and a final book of Slaine. Tacitly but not definitely confirmed are Dan Dare and Mazeworld.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 February, 2023, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 February, 2023, 01:15:46 PMOh, nice! Looks like Snow/Tiger will also have Bendatti Vendetta (Morrison/Burns). Not sure why Abnett and Sullivan are on the cover though...?
Black Light?

Return to Armageddon must have that along with Project Overkill and Death Planet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 28 February, 2023, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 28 February, 2023, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 February, 2023, 01:15:46 PMOh, nice! Looks like Snow/Tiger will also have Bendatti Vendetta (Morrison/Burns). Not sure why Abnett and Sullivan are on the cover though...?
Black Light?

Return to Armageddon must have that along with Project Overkill and Death Planet.

Can't say I'm excited to see Death Planet on the list - seem to recall that being a bit crap when I read it in a meg floppy.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 28 February, 2023, 08:32:11 PM
Yup, looks like Black Light, Bendetti Vendetta, Death Planet and Project Overkill are included as well Screenshot 2023-02-28 at 20.29.02.png
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 March, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
Heh. I never thought to look at the tab titles.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 01 March, 2023, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 March, 2023, 08:18:14 AMHeh. I never thought to look at the tab titles.

Same - although scanning back it looks like it's only a recent few which have been done that way.  A lot of the old ones are just random numbers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 01 March, 2023, 08:48:05 PM
a nice grouping of temporary (for their time) set spy stories
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 March, 2023, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 01 March, 2023, 08:48:05 PMa nice grouping of temporary (for their time) set spy stories

Con-temporary...?

Yeah, that isn't a volume I'd have thought to put together, but it's going to be a nice little collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 02 March, 2023, 04:26:27 PM
yeah contemporary oops
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 03 March, 2023, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 28 February, 2023, 01:15:46 PM163 – Zenith volume I
164 – Zenith volume 2
I've picked up every issue of the ultimate collection so far, and can just about accommodate the next 40 on my straining shelves, but as I already have the nice Zenith hardbacks in what looks like a larger format, not sure I'll be getting these. Unless there's something profound in the back pages.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 04 March, 2023, 01:09:20 PM
Just finished the Fall of Deadworld books and they are GREAT. Way better than I was expecting. How much is missing from the collection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 04 March, 2023, 02:07:27 PM
I have just been looking as to what will make the final cut in the forthcoming 'Dredd/Anderson' edition and think it will be some (but not all) of the following:

'Dredd: Urban Warfare' - Underbelly; Uprise; Top of the World, Ma-ma.
'Dredd: Final Judgement' - Furies; The Dead World.
'Dredd/Anderson: The Deep End' - Dust; The Deep End; Judgement Call.

By my reckoning, this is just too much material for one volume and something will have to be omitted. I hope I am wrong and it all makes it, but I am not confident. Does anyone else have the lowdown on this?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 04 March, 2023, 02:23:25 PM
All those Dredd/Anderson strips come to a total of 252 pages. The volume is on the Hachette site listed as having 272 pages to it should fit the complete series in alongside intros, title pages and the usual essay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 March, 2023, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 04 March, 2023, 02:07:27 PMI have just been looking as to what will make the final cut in the forthcoming 'Dredd/Anderson' edition...

By my reckoning, this is just too much material for one volume and something will have to be omitted.

Not sure where the concern comes from - it'll be a chunky book, but can easily include the lot.

Top of the World, Ma-Ma - 6
Underbelly - 30
Uprise - 50
Dust - 50
Furies - 30
Anderson: The Deep End - 20
Anderson: Judgement Call - 10
The Dead World - 52

for about 250 pages
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 06 March, 2023, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: sintec on 27 February, 2023, 03:42:36 PMThis one is definitely in the running for worst book in the collection for me. It's final position all hinges on Bad City Blue at this point.

Well the book did get better after the end of Return of Mean Team; Survivor is probably the best thing to come out of that whole sorry mess and it's a shame it didn't get a longer run.

Bad City Blue is... fine. It's a perfectly serviceable thrill that doesn't overstay it's welcome. Not going to change the world or anything but does at least mean this book isn't a complete waste of shelf space.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 06 March, 2023, 10:01:38 PM
It's still rather criminal that theres been no Captain Skank reprint of Dredd either in the Mega Collection or the Ultimate Collection in my opinion.  Especially with some of the dross that has been printed like Mercy Heights.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 12 March, 2023, 08:28:23 AM
Reading Survivor today made me wish that Tharg bothered to get permission to make up a volume of Hilary Robinson stories. She has the copyright - maybe she'd be up for it? We have some creator owned volumes in the collection now.

Medivac 318 and Zippy couriers were pretty cool. I am less fond of Chronos carnival but I think it would fit in a single volume as well.

It would make a better volume than a lot of the other stuff from that time...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 12 March, 2023, 10:17:09 AM
Robinson's stuff is a glaring omission in my 2000ad reading. I'd love to see a reprint some time.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 13 March, 2023, 10:58:50 AM
That first book of Medivac is really good - but seeing a collection of the whole thing would kind of leave me frustrated that there was never any more. Book 2 is fine but totally feels lik ean unfinished story. Bit like re-reading Vanguard, a waste of the talent involved :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 13 March, 2023, 11:09:48 AM
I've recently re-read that era of Progs and what Alex says is sage as ever - the first bit of Medivac is good but it kind of loses momentum and tails off. Chronos is absolutely appalling and a real waste of Ron Smith.

Zippy is a more interesting one - it's so often cited in revisionist takes on the Prog that I thought it'd be this hidden gem, but a lot of it is pretty poor - I'm thinking about the doughnut storyline especially. Lovely artwork and a really good idea that starts off brightly and I think would have a lot more legs today - the cat, especially, rules. For all my criticism I would like to see it reprinted and I think it would be a really good shout for a reprint if it could tie into Regened or something.
I think Survivor is the best of her work in the Prog and I wish there'd been more of that.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 March, 2023, 12:20:33 PM
I see FPI has listed 2000 AD UC 144 as 'discontinued'. I'm assuming that's a cock-up somewhere. I really don't want to have to order from Hachette...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 19 March, 2023, 04:18:13 AM
okay i just noticed two big flaws with mean team that i didn't even think about last time i read it....1 if earth fries electronics how did the prick who kidnapped bad jack originally get off the planet? and 2 how the hell does henry moons voice synthesiser still work on earth thats electronic right?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 19 March, 2023, 08:00:09 AM
The kidnapping was done with hooks trailed from orbit on very long ropes.
The voice synthesiser had a little man inside fluent in panther who provided simultaneous translation.
No electronics involved in either case.

Do not try to shake my faith in Mean Team.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GoGilesGo on 19 March, 2023, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 19 March, 2023, 04:18:13 AMokay i just noticed two big flaws with mean team that i didn't even think about last time i read it....if earth fries electronics...how the hell does henry moons voice synthesiser still work on earth thats electronic right?

spit-baling here, but perhaps electronics can work Terminator-style: only when encased inside a biological organism, in this case Henry's throat.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 March, 2023, 04:50:56 PM
I really hope there isn't a further extension.  I'm starting to lose my enthusiasm for the collection.  Space issues is one thing, and I feel this extension has been a bit more patchy to be honest.  Especially as there is so much that could be there but hasn't been like Black Atlantic from Dredd.  I'm surprised they didn't do the 'hitman' arc of Rogue Trooper which I remember reading and not being entranced by compared to stuff in the same universe like The 86ers, Jaegir etc.  While it's widely regarded as sub-par there has been stuff like Mean Team and Mercy Heights which hasn't exactly been top quality either.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 19 March, 2023, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 March, 2023, 12:20:33 PMI see FPI has listed 2000 AD UC 144 as 'discontinued'. I'm assuming that's a cock-up somewhere. I really don't want to have to order from Hachette...
The recent Stickleback volume came back into stock recently on the Hachette site. It seemed to be unavailable from FP very quickly after it first came out. Anyhow I ordered it direct from Hachette along with a couple of other books and they came in reasonable time, well packaged in some reasonably rugged cardboard IIRC. Perhaps they've got their act together...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tamping on 19 March, 2023, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: Le Fink on 19 March, 2023, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 March, 2023, 12:20:33 PMI see FPI has listed 2000 AD UC 144 as 'discontinued'. I'm assuming that's a cock-up somewhere. I really don't want to have to order from Hachette...
The recent Stickleback volume came back into stock recently on the Hachette site. It seemed to be unavailable from FP very quickly after it first came out. Anyhow I ordered it direct from Hachette along with a couple of other books and they came in reasonable time, well packaged in some reasonably rugged cardboard IIRC. Perhaps they've got their act together...

My last three Hachette orders have been accurate and painless. Its been refreshing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 March, 2023, 11:03:16 AM
Well, "came in reasonable time" would certainly be a change for Hachette. The last order I made took a few weeks to show up, IIRC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 20 March, 2023, 03:14:06 PM
Picked up age of the wolf and Dredd from the latest extension, and gonna pick up zenith cos you guys have mentioned it so many times in this thread. but other than that, not sure what to cherry pick. not too gripped by age of the wolf after reading the first arc, but that may have been my mindset when reading - think i was trying to force myself to read it when i shoulda read something else. will try again in a month or two.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 20 March, 2023, 03:33:47 PM
Age of the Wolf is not good. Great concept mind you...

Skimming over Hachette's site, Zenith is brilliant. Stickleback and Leviathan are worth a shot from recent relases imo.

As someone that didn't read it in the Meg, what is the forum verdict on The Returners?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 20 March, 2023, 03:41:46 PM
Zenith and Age of the Wolf are worlds apart.
Age of the Wolf never thrilled me because I was a jaded grown-up when it ran. Zenith on the other hand...
Anyway, comparing them is fruitless. It's chalk and cheese (if the chalk turned into a werewolf and the cheese was fermented by dark entities beyond time and space and had great hair and a hit single).

Never could get into The Returners. It was always on that "I'll read it properly some other time" list, but that was however-many series ago and I've long since lost the list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 20 March, 2023, 04:11:21 PM
TBH Boots, I was never really sure what was going on with the Returners.  The art is great to be fair but it seems to lose itself a lot of the time.  Perhaps it might have worked better in the prog with less time between episodes, I don't know ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 March, 2023, 04:30:46 PM
I really enjoyed the Returners. Though it is fair to say the last couple had an element of - must re-read that is really get what's going on. On that basis I think it could be really well served by a collection like this.

Lovely art throughout as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 March, 2023, 04:35:58 PM
It's an odd extension, in some ways. I've also, sadly, found some stuff just doesn't hold up. So far, I'd say:


Everything else falls below the "would I actually buy this AGAIN?" bar, given that I have a full set of Progs and Megs anyway, and increasingly limited shelf space...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 20 March, 2023, 05:57:29 PM
Age of the Wolf, for me, had two good books - the first and the third. I didn't like the middle.

Here's my old reviews of Books 2 & 3:

Age of the Wolf II: She Is Legend
The first series of this just blew me away: it had an original premise, stupendous art and a strong female lead.  This second series is more of a struggle as I'm not clear on what our heroin is trying to achieve (long term), and she seems to lurch from disaster to disaster.  It's not awful: still has great art and great potential: but I'd like to see Rowan more in charge of her own destiny, and to know more about how the setting works.

Harry (and his sister and his gran) are good villains: his racial purity notions are horrific.  His vision of a hyper-sexualized Rowan was a bit much.  I know it was part of his insanity, but it would be nice to have a female lead character who isn't hyper-sexualized (even when it is an apparition that another character is having).

Granny turning wolf was pretty cool, and perhaps I should have seen it coming (what with Little Red Riding Hood and all).  In summary:

More of this, please:Less of this, please:
(https://i.imgur.com/b5RXt9k.png)(https://i.imgur.com/CzE78hA.png)


Age of the Wolf III: Wolfworld
Series #1 was "28 Werewolves Later", Series #2 was Wolfenders and this is Planet of the Werewolves.  That's quite a jump, which visually is quite shocking as the more standard giant wolf beasts of the first two series are replaced with a more anthropomorphic species. 

As it leaps forward in time, a sort of magically accelerated evolution has taken place and we witness a world filled with new beasts and a harnessing of new moon-powered tech (used by the wolf species in a bid to finally exterminate the human race):

(https://i.imgur.com/fU9fSXw.png)

Rowan has aged and become a notorious dervish: a grey witch that powers her way across the land and through any obstacle (herself as much a beast as any of the wolves) in her bid to defeat the curse that has taken over the planet:

(https://i.imgur.com/4bMUddV.png)

Ultimately, it all sews itself up in a tricky third act: my assumption is that this ends the story.  If you're doing a re-read you could safely skip the second series as the weakest of the three and you'd be doing just fine.

---

The Returners I found a bit disjointed, although it was atmospheric. I didn't really click with Chandhu (the 2nd book), then Heartswood started to explain a bit more what was going on with them. I felt like it really hit its stride with Amazonia (the fourth book). Of course, Si Spencer died and Matt Smith scripted the final episode.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 21 March, 2023, 09:23:27 AM
Appreciate your comments on Returners all. Sounds like I should check it out, but not as any kind of priority. The Hachette volumes are pretty affordable to I'll pick up a copy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 21 March, 2023, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 20 March, 2023, 03:33:47 PMAs someone that didn't read it in the Meg, what is the forum verdict on The Returners?

Both The Returners and Blunt read much better in the collected editions than they did in the Meg (imo). Wasn't expecting to enjoy either of them as much as I did. Far more likely to reread those than trash like Mean Team. The Middenface book was also a pleasant surprise, it's by far the best of the recent SD books in the collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 21 March, 2023, 05:54:46 PM
Dredd/Anderson and Age Of The Wolf arrived today. Dredd includes all everything from Top Of The World, Mama to The Dead World. Slightly disappointed Trinity wasn't included but expected it. Maybe in a potential Niemand volume? (Surely he's got enough Dredds by now to fill a book?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 21 March, 2023, 05:57:04 PM
Quote from: sintec on 21 March, 2023, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: Barrington Boots link=msg=1099544f date=1679326427As someone that didn't read it in the Meg, what is the forum verdict on The Returners?

Both The Returners and Blunt read much better in the collected editions than they did in the Meg (imo)...

I enjoyed the Returners volume. Not essential but nice art and unusual storyline. I caught it half way through in the Meg and couldn't make heads nor tails from it then, so great to get the lot in one go. An entire volume with the same writer / artist throughout probably a bit of a rarity in this collection?

Blunt not so much for me but it did read ok in one go. Not sure I'll return to that one though. I struggle a bit with the art style, sorry.

The fat Dredd/Anderson volume is great so far. Nice plot and art. Not read any of it before, so a real treat. I'm about halfway through. I found the change in depiction of Dredd amusing - clearly Karl Urban in the prequel story to, well, "chinny Dredd" in the rest.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 21 March, 2023, 05:58:57 PM
Quote from: Le Fink on 21 March, 2023, 05:57:04 PMAn entire volume with the same writer / artist throughout probably a bit of a rarity in this collection?
Apart from Matt Smith's final part of course!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 23 March, 2023, 11:03:15 AM
I enjoyed returners and blunt well enough. cant remember much about returners though other than it enjoyably passed a few hours. I did like blunt and actually quite liked the art style. I enjoyed the colouring.

Age of the wolf has been sitting abandoned for a few weeks now. Not in any rush to finish it.

Stickleback, Leviathan, cradlegrave and devlin waugh were all very enjoyable. I have both brass sun volumes but have only read the first one so far - it was fine but i think i havent been in the mood for that kind of story lately so its sitting on the 'to read' pile.

Enjoying the new dredd volume but so far there doesnt seem to be much to differentiate it from mainline dredd other than the different uniforms. but again, nice to see the movie universe be continued at all.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 04 April, 2023, 08:18:53 PM
Has it been categorically ruled out that 'The Order' will not feature in this last extension? I recall some chatter on Facebook saying that there would not be a second book, but is this definite? Completing the story with unpublished strips and the current arc in the Prog would, I think, be fitting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 April, 2023, 08:27:38 PM
Who knows? These things can chop and change as they go. I'd hope that if there is wiggle room in the collection and the choice between something largely inconsequential and entirely wrapping up an already started series in HC that they'd go for the latter. At least if that works regarding page count.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 April, 2023, 07:14:30 AM
the issue i can see with the order is when the first book came out it was as up to date as it could be and since it came out theres been like only 3 more series of it? is there enough of it for a second book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 07 April, 2023, 03:01:48 PM
Has the dead been published in the collection, I thought it was but can find it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 07 April, 2023, 03:26:53 PM
Quote from: moly on 07 April, 2023, 03:01:48 PMHas the dead been published in the collection, I thought it was but can find it
Yes, it's in the Revere book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 07 April, 2023, 03:29:12 PM
Thank you for putting me out of my misery I knew I'd read the dead recently, this is the problem without an index with secondary strips being hard to locate
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 07 April, 2023, 03:33:29 PM
Yeah, I understand why they do the spine art but I would like the books more if they put titles on the spine, it's infuriating
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 April, 2023, 04:08:24 PM
Yep. I'd hoped with the 2000 AD volumes they might address this, but no. They should take a leaf out of the Eaglemoss book. The Batman run still had spine art, but the book titles are also on every spine. The best of both worlds. There's not really any way to sort that on the 2000 AD volumes (short of doing custom sleeves for each book, or putting stickers on the spines, which would stick out like a sore thumb).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 08 April, 2023, 10:10:33 AM
I think the best I've seen is what michaelarby posted but unfortunately that's missing some secondary stuff
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 12 April, 2023, 04:49:06 PM
Next 3 books are up on Hachette's site.

Issue 148/Vol 162: Mazeworld
Issue 149/Vol 179: Judge Dredd: Machine Law
Issue 150/Vol 157: Kingdom Vol 3, also includes Shako
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 12 April, 2023, 06:13:02 PM
Next 3 all look good, happy with most of the new extension so far with only mean team being the only one I wouldn't of got if I wasn't subscribed
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 April, 2023, 06:37:08 PM
Glad Kingdom is in there. Mildly miffed I bought the trade. Oh well. What will be in Machine Law? And Mazeworld... I have the trade but will be tempted to go HC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 April, 2023, 07:24:47 PM
Very happy to see we're getting a 3rd volume of Kingdom. That's one of the few cases where I've resisted the urge to buy the trade. Given the inclusion of Shako I guess we'll also get the cross-over one off from the special which is sweet.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 April, 2023, 06:37:08 PMWhat will be in Machine Law?

At a guess (given the art credits):

Harvey
War Buds
Machine Law
Guatemala

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 13 April, 2023, 09:58:53 AM
Quote from: sintec on 12 April, 2023, 07:24:47 PMVery happy to see we're getting a 3rd volume of Kingdom. That's one of the few cases where I've resisted the urge to buy the trade. Given the inclusion of Shako I guess we'll also get the cross-over one off from the special which is sweet.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 April, 2023, 06:37:08 PMWhat will be in Machine Law?

At a guess (given the art credits):

Harvey
War Buds
Machine Law
Guatemala



Shame they're now sticking to material already in the trades. Holding out hope they'll find a way to reprint the last PJ Maybe story as it's a long wait for the case files...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 April, 2023, 10:11:52 AM
That is superb news! Quite a few I've skipped in this extension so far, but I'll be picking up all three of these! Very, very happy that I'll finally get to read the end of Kingdom, and I've been suggesting a Machine Law volume since the first extension was announced!


141 -
142 -
143 -
144 -
145 -
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 – Age of the Wolf
150 -
151 -
152 -
153 – Return to Armageddon
154 – Mean Team
155 -
156 – Snow/Tiger
157 – Kingdom (and Shako)
158 -
159 -
160 -
161 – Al's Baby
162 – Mazeworld
163 – Zenith volume I
164 – Zenith volume 2
165 -
166 -
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 -
174 -
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 – Dredd: Machine Law
179 – Dredd & Anderson
180 –

Also confirmed are; Armoured Gideon, Harlem Heroes (and presumably Inferno), Proteus Vex, Lawless, Kingmaker, Durham Red (Worley/Willsher), Scarlet Traces, and a final book of Slaine. Tacitly but not definitely confirmed is Dan Dare.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 13 April, 2023, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 13 April, 2023, 10:11:52 AMThat is superb news! Quite a few I've skipped in this extension so far, but I'll be picking up all three of these! Very, very happy that I'll finally get to read the end of Kingdom, and I've been suggesting a Machine Law volume since the first extension was announced!


141 -
142 -
143 -
144 -
145 -
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 – Age of the Wolf
150 -
151 -
152 -
153 – Return to Armageddon
154 – Mean Team
155 -
156 – Snow/Tiger
157 – Kingdom (and Shako)
158 -
159 -
160 -
161 – Al's Baby
162 – Mazeworld
163 – Zenith volume I
164 – Zenith volume 2
165 -
166 -
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 -
174 -
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 – Dredd: Machine Law
179 – Dredd & Anderson
180 –

Also confirmed are; Armoured Gideon, Harlem Heroes (and presumably Inferno), Proteus Vex, Lawless, Kingmaker, Durham Red (Worley/Willsher), Scarlet Traces, and a final book of Slaine. Tacitly but not definitely confirmed is Dan Dare.


Could be another few Dredd volumes either side of 178 and 179???
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 April, 2023, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: levers on 13 April, 2023, 11:08:02 AMCould be another few Dredd volumes either side of 178 and 179???

Yep, my thoughts too - that's why I always think it's helpful to slot new releases into context.

Also worth nothing that Mazeworld and Dan Dare were two series that they were fairly cagey about confirming; Mazeworld's appearance has just made Dare's eventual appearance in the collection much more likely...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 April, 2023, 11:25:18 AM
I imagine that might in part be down to how the Dan Dare Corp is feeling on the given day permissions are sought. Although I already own the Rebellion HCs and now I'm cherry picking there's no way I'd swap those out for Hachette books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tamping on 13 April, 2023, 11:42:24 AM
Never heard of Mazeworld, but as a Grant fan, I'll pick that up I think.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 14 April, 2023, 07:21:04 AM
What's the view on 'Return to Armageddon'? Worth a pick? I've not come across it before. Mazeworld is great, with fine artwork from Arthur Ranson, although got the trade, so umming and ahing about picking it up. I'll be picking up Kingdom to complete the set. Machine Law a no-brainer!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 April, 2023, 08:45:03 AM
Quote from: Le Fink on 14 April, 2023, 07:21:04 AMWhat's the view on 'Return to Armageddon'? Worth a pick?

It is what it is, but its very, very good at that. Its an early 80s adventure comic 'for boys' but it travels down such wonderful routes in that and is so imaginative in its first 2 thirds. After that it gets a little more typical but that works all the morning with the journey getting there.

Oh and the art by Jesus Redondo is sublime.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 14 April, 2023, 08:46:31 AM
Redondo on fine form as an artist.  I'd rate it as second to his run on Mind Wars of Starlord fame but then I've always been a little biased towards that tome.  All his hallmark spaceship styles on show. 

For a "one-and-done" of its era it is probably one of the stronger ones but it does feel a little dated by modern standards.  Pretty well paced with an interesting array of characters.  Fortunately it is of a time when Tooth was starting to wake up to the changing sensibilities of its readership.  Although there is still an element of 'juvenilia' about it as a story in what was ostensibly a "kids comic", there is also a growing maturity to it.

It might suffer from comparisons with the likes of Mazeworld and Kingdom for that reason.  That is a little unfair in some respects.  If you enjoy your SciFi with loads of bizarre creatures, galaxy-spanning plots and a dash of fantasy though, you can't go wrong.

If you enjoyed Mark Millar's Robo-Hunter run, I'm afraid there's nothing we can do for you ...  ;)

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 14 April, 2023, 02:34:08 PM
Thanks, I'll be picking that up. Happy to read something a little old-school and am a fan of the Jesus

I was reading the progs during the Morrison /Millar period but have absolutely no recollection of the Robo Hunter reboot. Not good then?

Any new readers of Zenith got through volume one? Be interested to hear a fresh take on it. I still love it but is that just because I read it in my formative years?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 14 April, 2023, 04:29:02 PM
I have to post an upvote for Return to Armageddon. I read it in the weekly as it was published, so I might be a bit rose-tinted, but I rate Redondo's work very highly, and the story is batshit (in a good way), and full of bizarrely loathsome characters. It might be like a Nicholas Cage fever dream, if he was born in the mid-40s and exposed to original Buck Rogers and Night of the Demon.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 April, 2023, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Le Fink on 14 April, 2023, 02:34:08 PMI was reading the progs during the Morrison /Millar period but have absolutely no recollection of the Robo Hunter reboot. Not good then?
It's abhorrent. Honestly, I liked the original Robo-Hunter a lot less than I expected to when re-reading it in the UC – too much offhand racism and sexism for 'now me'. But the Millar Robo-Hunter is hideous. It strips out anything that made the original good – notably, all the humour. What's left is often cruel and mean, and is peppered with rampant homophobia that Millar seemed to specialise in at the time.

Hughes/Hogan made a valiant attempt to subsequently rescue the property, but it's hard to make something grow when someone's burnt it to the ground, hurled a nuke at the remains and then salted the radiation desert.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 14 April, 2023, 10:21:48 PM
I might say that I eviscerated it in my 2Kstages summaries (starting on this page (https://2kstages.github.io/stages/progs/stage22.html)) - but all I really did was summarize it. It fails on its own merits.

QuoteRobo-Hunter(*) [*HARSH REBOOT]
Hoagy's all muscly and evil, Cutie (a tiny robot that's basically metal breasts and orifices) magically reforms herself (after having died in 1979, on another planet) because she feels like it (that's the literal explanation) and then Sam and her snog, but his voiceover mysoginistically complains about ugly girls being easy. The writer casts himself as a second Robo-Hunter (that, far in the future, watches MTV and listens to music from 1991).

QuoteEscape From Bisleyland
The original Robo-Hunter had a lightness to it that's entirely missing here: now blood splatters the camera as Pseudo-Sam is beaten by brass-knuckle wielding agents, and a young girl (the Newt from Aliens stand-in) is brutally murdered to fuel a cheesy pay-off line. It's like a psychopath's toy shop.

QuoteSomething for the Weekend, Sir?
Psuedo-Sam laments the cancellation of his three prostitutes (true) and refers to his barber as a dago (still true) before everything descends into Sweeney Todd with robots.

QuoteReturn to Verdus
There's lots of shooting and yelling, forests made of decomposing body parts and another theme park. A murderous Cutie, who can fly now (and always presents as a blonde babe in a red swimsuit), is ripped apart by an cyborg in a comfy sweater, who earlier seemed to have been murdered by being impaled with a golf club (by a gay insectoid S&M fashionista).

QuoteThe Succubus
An extended combat sequence between a murderous giant Butler droid and Psuedo-Sam, set in a flooded Manhattan. The script openly derides the time when Robo-Hunter had "cute little robots with a song for every occasion", but fails to offer up a better formula with this repetitive Generic Tough Guy Defeats Big Enemy schtick that Millar rolls out time and again.

QuoteAce of Slades:
Suddenly all of the supporting characters are British, like a Cockney Pope and (oddly) The Fat Slags from Viz: even though this tale is usually set in the US. You don't have to read to the end: it's a Millar script so the unstoppable, invincible, muscle-bound, heartless, murderous foe will get destroyed somehow on the second to last page (after a bunch of stuff gets ruined). And Hoagy's in one frame making tea, even though he died in Escape from Bisleyland.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 15 April, 2023, 08:01:27 AM
Yikes! I'll be sure to give it a miss...!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 15 April, 2023, 09:12:03 AM
... and the defence rests ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 15 April, 2023, 09:17:48 AM
I bought the robo hunters to have the full collection, but i read the first one and the others are still in plastic wrap! Just didnt appeal to me.

Meanwhile - super stoked that theres a kingdom volume 3. Those were some of my favourites in the UC. Will volume 3 actually finish the story? Or just get it up to date with the prog?

I was looking forward to picking up zenith but forbidden planet dont seem to be stocking it! - EDIT - SCRATCH THAT - it is there, it just has a release date of 22nd aug 2022 for some reason, so it wasnt appearing when i hit sort by release date! Very strange, but ordered now!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 April, 2023, 11:27:25 AM
Assuming Kingdom brings us up to date with what's in the Progs, it finishes in the way Halo Jones finished. There could be more. But if it ends there, it's a solid enough conclusion. As for Forbidden Planet, it's still odd how the Dredd book went OOS so quickly.

Mind you, it's perhaps notable that the London Megastore no longer appears to stock these books at all. Last time I was there, the store had an entire facing of the things. But yesterday, there was a handful of Marvel/DC ones bundled with the sole 'magazine' facing that's moved to where the charts used to be. I didn't see a single UC book. The 2000 AD range has been pared right back too. (One facing, but hardly any books – maybe a fifth of what I later saw at Gosh in a smaller space.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 April, 2023, 04:31:33 PM
The last issue I got was 145, but I don't have 144, I just HOPE it's sitting at my local newsagents as otherwise its not possible to get, and it was one I was really looking forward to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 16 April, 2023, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 16 April, 2023, 04:31:33 PMThe last issue I got was 145, but I don't have 144, I just HOPE it's sitting at my local newsagents as otherwise its not possible to get, and it was one I was really looking forward to.

You can order directly from hachette if no luck
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 16 April, 2023, 07:21:29 PM
Hi all, I had reason to revisit the classic Dredd episode A Question of Judgement today. A key part of Dredd lore, and followed by the equally essential An Error of Judgment and A Case for Treatment, all drawn by the late, great Ron Smith. Did these stone cold classic episodes end up in the Mega Collection? If not are we going to get a Ron Smith Dredd book in the Ultimate Collection? Surely there's enough quality stuff to make a book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 17 April, 2023, 07:27:44 AM
Quote from: Le Fink on 16 April, 2023, 07:21:29 PM...Did these episodes end up in the Mega Collection?...
A Question of Judgement appearing in prog 387. Barney doesn't think so, so question probably answered. All the more reason for a Ron Smith book!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 April, 2023, 06:47:19 PM
I ordered off of Hachette.  WH Smiths were not interested in the fact that they had missed an issue saying I would have to talk to 'George'.  Last time an issue was missed it took weeks, and I know that some of these sell out, so I couldn't take the chance.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 19 April, 2023, 01:44:32 PM
A Ron Smith Dredd collection would, potentially, be an ideal 'Intro to Dredd' book. As long as it DIDN'T include 'the Sugar Beat', though... (one of the last strips Smith drew for 2000AD in the still-openly-racist mid-90s)

I am biased because my own intro to Dredd was mostly through the early 'Best of 2000AD Monthly' reprints, which typically had at least one Ron Smith comedy Dredd one-off.

But seriously, you'd get Cityblock and Graveyard Shift in there, two of the purest 'what is Judge Dredd all about?' strips ever, but also: Unamerican Graffiti, the Otto Sump stories, the original Hotdog Run, Blobs/Jimps, the Stupid Gun, the Invisible Man, Alien Seeds and, yes, the Question of Judgement trilogy - some of my all-time favourites. Plus you could maybe throw in a bunch of the original newspaper strips?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 19 April, 2023, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 19 April, 2023, 01:44:32 PMA Ron Smith Dredd collection would, potentially, be an ideal 'Intro to Dredd' book. As long as it DIDN'T include 'the Sugar Beat', though... (one of the last strips Smith drew for 2000AD in the still-openly-racist mid-90s)

I am biased because my own intro to Dredd was mostly through the early 'Best of 2000AD Monthly' reprints, which typically had at least one Ron Smith comedy Dredd one-off.

But seriously, you'd get Cityblock and Graveyard Shift in there, two of the purest 'what is Judge Dredd all about?' strips ever, but also: Unamerican Graffiti, the Otto Sump stories, the original Hotdog Run, Blobs/Jimps, the Stupid Gun, the Invisible Man, Alien Seeds and, yes, the Question of Judgement trilogy - some of my all-time favourites. Plus you could maybe throw in a bunch of the original newspaper strips?

Nice book, but not as part of the 2000ad collection- these are all covered in the Dredd mega collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 19 April, 2023, 08:03:34 PM
Comparing what Barney says (and looking through case files) with the Wikipedia entry on the Mega Collection, the following Wagner/Grant/Mills/Ron Smith tales have probably not appeared in the Mega Collection:

City block
The Exo-Men
Pirates of the Black Atlantic
Battle of the Black Atlantic
A Tale from Walter's Scwapbook
The Invisible Man
Death of a Judge
The Blood of Satanus
Mega way madness
Lawmaster on the loose
Rabid
Jimps
Prezzel logic
King of the Road
The stupid gun
Bob & Carol & Ted & Ringo
Portrait of a Politician
Question of Judgement
Error of Judgement
A Case for Treatment
cadet assessment
Casey steech
Megaman
The squadron time forgot
The lurker
Battle of Chester Dog / hell's packers
A guide to mega speak

I left out the steelgrave/miller tales, but there are a few of them too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 May, 2023, 09:52:12 PM
I've had these books stockpiling because I haven't had much motivation to read recently.  Dredd/Anderson was wonderful, the only fault being that I wish there was more of it.

Middenface McNulty...passable, but I was disappointed with some of the stories.

Mean Team, I haven't read all of it yet, but so far...no wonder this thing got such a bad name.  I kept thinking that it couldn't be THAT bad could it.  I guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 09 May, 2023, 08:19:19 AM
Can anyone confirm the contents of Zenith volume 1?
I'm not likely to get it as I have the hardback set, but I'm curious about the contents and the back matter.
Did they include the Winter special story? Any commentary about Grant Morrison's ownership claims?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 May, 2023, 08:59:08 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 09 May, 2023, 08:19:19 AMCan anyone confirm the contents of Zenith volume 1?
I'm not likely to get it as I have the hardback set, but I'm curious about the contents and the back matter.
Did they include the Winter special story? Any commentary about Grant Morrison's ownership claims?

Contents follow the first 2 hardbacks so; Phase 1, Interlude 1, Interlude 2, Phase 2, Maximan. That last one was in a Winter Special so I'm assuming is the story you're referring to.

Back matter talks about super hero comics in general, the design of Zenith (and links back to Paradax), the influence of pop culture on the story and some general blurb about Morrison and Yeowell's careers. Nothing about the ownership claims.

Quote from: Jade Falcon on 05 May, 2023, 09:52:12 PMMean Team, I haven't read all of it yet, but so far...no wonder this thing got such a bad name.  I kept thinking that it couldn't be THAT bad could it.  I guess I was wrong.

It's a strong contentder for worst book in the collection - the Bellardinelli art might be the one thing that saves it from that ignominious title.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 May, 2023, 01:37:50 PM
I just caught up on a couple of cherry picks.

Dredd was a solid read. I'm still cool on the last arc, and the Anderson solo stuff feels a bit like an intro that doesn't really go anywhere. But I'm glad I bought the book and a little sad that the run didn't continue. (I get why it didn't, but that Elseworlds Dredd would have been fun to still be reading now.)

Devlin Waugh: A Very Large Splash was... interesting. I've been cool on the McConville stories and it is very interesting in the back matter to discover he wasn't familiar with the character prior to being commissioned. But on reading those strips now, with a little gap from the Smith run, they were better than I remembered. The Kot stories, surprisingly, had slipped a little for me. The earlier ones have the odd bit where I was struggling with timelines and such; but they're still very good. It's a pity the book ends on a cliffhanger and that we'll not see another in this Hachette run. (The Reckoning at least only has minor crossover. The first 40 or so pages would be duplicated.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 16 May, 2023, 10:00:09 AM
Latest books (Return To Armageddon and Mazeworld) arrived yesterday. Had a quite evening so cracked into Return. I was anticipating it might be a bit of a slog but it was anything but. Ended up reading the whole thing. It cracks along at a terrific pace and is full of mad twists and turns, the ending is a bit lame but given the time/audience it was written for is fine. Redondo's art is superb throughout. Really glad this one got included.

Also recently got through Snow Tiger which was similarly awesome. Nice to still get the odd surprise in the collection and this one definitley delivered. If you're cherry-picking I'd highly recommend adding this one to your list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 17 May, 2023, 11:58:31 AM
Quote from: sintec on 16 May, 2023, 10:00:09 AMAlso recently got through Snow Tiger which was similarly awesome. Nice to still get the odd surprise in the collection and this one definitley delivered. If you're cherry-picking I'd highly recommend adding this one to your list.

I wish we'd got more Bendatti Vendetta. Still, lovely that it's been collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 18 May, 2023, 04:15:49 PM
Any idea what is likely to be in the Dredd: Machine Law volume (apart from Machine Law, natch)? Need to decide whether to pre-order this or not, but the inclusion of Colin MacNeil and Dan Cornwall in the credits makes me think it may have a chunk of stuff I already have in the Guatemala collection. Probably not worth it just for the Machine Law arc.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 May, 2023, 04:26:44 PM
I grabbed a copy today from Forbidden Planet (which, surprisingly, had it and Return...). It contains:


And seven pages of back matter
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 May, 2023, 05:21:30 PM
So it's all of the Machine Law trade and some of the Guatemala one missing out:


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GoGilesGo on 20 May, 2023, 08:16:59 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 May, 2023, 04:26:44 PM
  • Harvey
  • Machine Law
  • Guatemala
  • The Victims of Bennett Beeny


very nice batch of stories that encompass Dredd's shifting attitude to the Mark 8s:

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 20 May, 2023, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: Le Fink on 19 April, 2023, 08:03:34 PMComparing what Barney says (and looking through case files) with the Wikipedia entry on the Mega Collection, the following Wagner/Grant/Mills/Ron Smith tales have probably not appeared in the Mega Collection:

City block
The Exo-Men
Pirates of the Black Atlantic
Battle of the Black Atlantic
A Tale from Walter's Scwapbook
The Invisible Man
Death of a Judge
The Blood of Satanus
Mega way madness
Lawmaster on the loose
Rabid
Jimps
Prezzel logic
King of the Road
The stupid gun
Bob & Carol & Ted & Ringo
Portrait of a Politician
Question of Judgement
Error of Judgement
A Case for Treatment
cadet assessment
Casey steech
Megaman
The squadron time forgot
The lurker
Battle of Chester Dog / hell's packers
A guide to mega speak

I left out the steelgrave/miller tales, but there are a few of them too.


Pretty late to the reply here but Barney currently only covers the first half of the Mega Collection so exercise caution. Think the Wikipedia page is surprisingly good here.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 21 May, 2023, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 20 May, 2023, 10:44:49 PMPretty late to the reply here but Barney currently only covers the first half of the Mega Collection so exercise caution. Think the Wikipedia page is surprisingly good here.
I used Barney and my set of Case Files to work out the Tooth Dredds that were fully drawn by Ron. I then used the MC Wikipedia page to identify which of those had been printed in the mega collection. I agree the Wikipedia entry looks pretty good. So short of poring through all the mega collection myself I think it's a reasonable guess!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 21 May, 2023, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: sintec on 16 May, 2023, 10:00:09 AMLatest books (Return To Armageddon and Mazeworld) arrived yesterday. Had a quite evening so cracked into Return. I was anticipating it might be a bit of a slog but it was anything but. Ended up reading the whole thing. It cracks along at a terrific pace and is full of mad twists and turns, the ending is a bit lame but given the time/audience it was written for is fine. Redondo's art is superb throughout. Really glad this one got included.

Also recently got through Snow Tiger which was similarly awesome. Nice to still get the odd surprise in the collection and this one definitley delivered. If you're cherry-picking I'd highly recommend adding this one to your list.

Great! Just ordered these along with Machine Law and Kingdom/Shako from FP. Looking forward to reading them.

Mazeworld is 'currently unavailable' at FP. Anything extra in the Mazeworld book? Not sure I need to upgrade my softcover.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 May, 2023, 12:47:42 AM
other than the backcopy no theres nothing new in the mazeworld book
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 May, 2023, 09:18:32 AM
Next few books have just appeared on the Hachette site


From the credits on the Dragontamer book I suspect it'll also have the Lord Weird Sloug Feg story from the Villans special and The Bogatyr.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 May, 2023, 10:14:25 AM
we are getting button man :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Trooper McFad on 23 May, 2023, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 23 May, 2023, 10:14:25 AMwe are getting button man :D

I was hoping that they would do a web shop exclusive for Button man.I'll just hang on and maybe one day 🤞🏻
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2023, 01:48:26 PM
Huh. I guess with Button Man, some kind of deal was done with Wagner and Ranson, then. It's an objectively high-quality series, and I imagine should fit quite nicely into two books (assuming the Irving-illustrated series is included). Harlem Heroes: 160 pages is slim – almost like a Marvel volume! I imagine this will be HH and perhaps Inferno? I can't imagine Matt Smith will inflict the horrors of the reboot on the masses. Then Dragontamer + Black Siddha... good news for Black Siddha fans, I suppose.

Nice that the series even now still has the capacity to surprise.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 May, 2023, 02:14:43 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 May, 2023, 01:48:26 PMHarlem Heroes: 160 pages is slim – almost like a Marvel volume! I imagine this will be HH and perhaps Inferno? I can't imagine Matt Smith will inflict the horrors of the reboot on the masses.

Yeah it's shorter than any of the Mega Collection volumes, although far from the shortest UC book (which was Book Of Scars). 

Original HH series is 112 pages according to Barney, so I'd guess this will be all of that plus some bits from annuals and the like. Second volume would then be 180+ pages and have all of Inferno. That'd be much nicer than splitting Inferno across the 2 books imo
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 23 May, 2023, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 May, 2023, 04:26:44 PMI grabbed a copy today from Forbidden Planet (which, surprisingly, had it and Return...). It contains:

  • Harvey
  • Machine Law
  • Guatemala
  • The Victims of Bennett Beeny

And seven pages of back matter

Awesome. Thanks. Worth getting then, as that bridges the gap with the Guatemala web exclusive HC I have nicely. Albeit with a small amount of repeated material, but it doesn't make the Guatelmala trade totally redundant due to the omitted parts that sintec mentioned. Great stuff!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2023, 07:29:15 PM
More new books!  :D


141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 -
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 – Age of the Wolf
150 -
151 - Button Man 1
152 - Button Man 2
153 – Return to Armageddon
154 – Mean Team
155 -
156 – Snow/Tiger
157 – Kingdom (and Shako)
158 -
159 -
160 -
161 – Al's Baby
162 – Mazeworld
163 – Zenith volume I
164 – Zenith volume 2
165 -
166 -
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 -
174 -
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 – Dredd: Machine Law
179 – Dredd & Anderson
180 –

Also confirmed are; Armoured Gideon, Proteus Vex, Lawless, Kingmaker, Durham Red (Worley/Willsher) and Scarlet Traces. Tacitly but not definitely confirmed is Dan Dare.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 23 May, 2023, 07:37:09 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 May, 2023, 07:29:15 PMMore new books!  :D


141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 -
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 – Age of the Wolf
150 -
151 - Button Man 1
152 - Button Man 2
153 – Return to Armageddon
154 – Mean Team
155 -
156 – Snow/Tiger
157 – Kingdom (and Shako)
158 -
159 -
160 -
161 – Al's Baby
162 – Mazeworld
163 – Zenith volume I
164 – Zenith volume 2
165 -
166 -
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 -
174 -
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 – Dredd: Machine Law
179 – Dredd & Anderson
180 –

Also confirmed are; Armoured Gideon, Proteus Vex, Lawless, Kingmaker, Durham Red (Worley/Willsher) and Scarlet Traces. Tacitly but not definitely confirmed is Dan Dare.

Tharg also confirms in the latest prog that the series is unlikely to be extended post volume 180.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 23 May, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
To be fair the extension up to 180 is looking really good so happy if that's it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 24 May, 2023, 01:50:20 AM
don't forget harry 20 the high rock is on the spine after all
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tamping on 25 May, 2023, 08:02:34 AM
Button man! Lovely! Now just to find a way to get it into the house without the Mrs seeing it...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: BadlyDrawnKano on 26 May, 2023, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Tamping on 25 May, 2023, 08:02:34 AMButton man! Lovely! Now just to find a way to get it into the house without the Mrs seeing it...

I'm very excited to see Button Man on there two, and the same would have applied with Zenith, but I just bought all four books on Ebay last month.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 07 June, 2023, 09:42:27 PM
Is button man a good read? I'm cherry picking this last extension but it seems to already be far better quality than the last.

Zenith was a decent read - recognised a lot of familiar 'grant morrison-isms' that would appear in invisibles.

Just had Kingdom V3 and the new Dredd arrive through the door. Kindgom was one of my favourite discoveries of the whole UC so glad were getting a finale(?).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 June, 2023, 07:06:49 AM
Quote from: michaelarby on 07 June, 2023, 09:42:27 PMIs button man a good read? I'm cherry picking this last extension but it seems to already be far better quality than the last.


Yes absolutely great. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 08 June, 2023, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: michaelarby on 07 June, 2023, 09:42:27 PMIs button man a good read? I'm cherry picking this last extension but it seems to already be far better quality than the last.

Zenith was a decent read - recognised a lot of familiar 'grant morrison-isms' that would appear in invisibles.

Just had Kingdom V3 and the new Dredd arrive through the door. Kindgom was one of my favourite discoveries of the whole UC so glad were getting a finale(?).

Yeah, Button Man is a top series. What else is included in the third Kingdom book?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 08 June, 2023, 08:46:06 AM
Cheers guys. Theres a strip called shako. Havent read it yet tho
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 08 June, 2023, 10:06:29 AM
Quote from: michaelarby on 08 June, 2023, 08:46:06 AMCheers guys. Theres a strip called shako. Havent read it yet tho

Ah, Shako! You're in for one of 2000ad's most subtle stories then  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 08 June, 2023, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: michaelarby on 07 June, 2023, 09:42:27 PMIs button man a good read?
Not sci-fi or fantasy but still one of the best strips I've read in Tooth. I'm a fan of Arthur Ranson's art.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 08 June, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Le Fink on 08 June, 2023, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: michaelarby on 07 June, 2023, 09:42:27 PMIs button man a good read?
Not sci-fi or fantasy but still one of the best strips I've read in Tooth. I'm a fan of Arthur Ranson's art.

If I remember rightly they opened it up with the line "One minute into the future..." or something so they could justify its inclusion.

What I loved from the first story is the fact that it could feasibly be published one page at a time, as each page told a mini narrative.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 June, 2023, 02:38:19 AM
the contents of the kingdom book are the last two to date kingdom stories. the kingdom/shako crossover and the original shako itself. the annual story is missing though
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 10 June, 2023, 04:48:09 PM
Reread volume 1 of kingdom yesterday. So good! Gonna reread 2 before 3. Only annoying thing is I actually read the final story - alpha and omega in the prog when it came out. Cant remember much of it tbf, but cant help but feel a bit anticlimactic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 12 June, 2023, 06:43:23 PM
Enjoyed the last two episodes of Kingdom. I wonder if we'll get a Feral and Foe omnibus in this extension? If so I'd be getting it.

Shako I skipped through, read it a looong time ago, the depiction of the bear terrific in the first few episodes then the art seemed to tail off a bit.

I don't mind an old-school thrill - liked Return to Armageddon and thought Mean Arena was OK (although Death Planet and the second Mean Team were poor). Should I get Harlem Heroes? I don't think I've read the original series before. Have a vague recollection there was there a Dillon/Walker drawn follow up? Cannot remember much about it though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 12 June, 2023, 07:40:11 PM
I'd avoid that HH reboot - it's infamously terrible although there's some great art on the first few episodes before Dillon seems to realise its tripe.
I think the original stands up, but its definitely not as good as you'll remember it...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 June, 2023, 08:11:45 PM
The best thing you can say about the Harlem Heroes reboot script is it's not the worst thing to ever appear in 2000 AD. Although it has a contender for the worst-ever line of dialogue: "Hey! What the hell happened to our quintuple X-rated movie?"

Not exactly Shakespeare.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 12 June, 2023, 08:42:29 PM
My even-handed review of the HH reboot:

"The 1990's soft reboot (set slightly in the future from the original but with no shared characters) throws up a gang of easily identifiable (but attractive) misfits (leader, vixen, driver, tough & hacker) that are forced into service as mercenaries by a shadowy government organization, and then betrayed. Also, they have jetpacks (which very rarely get used in a sport setting). Nobody ever changes their clothes, so if this was presented in smell-o-vision, you wouldn't like it."
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 12 June, 2023, 09:34:29 PM
Ah. Script: Michael Fleisher.

Nuff said.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 June, 2023, 09:24:15 PM
harlem heroes vol 1 contains the entirety of the original HH series and the first six parts of inferno. the back matter mostly focuses on Dave gibbons
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 24 June, 2023, 12:33:14 AM
Inferno I felt started out ok, but then didn't seem to know what it wanted to be.  Was it a mystery story, was it another sports story, a bit of everything...and then it ended in a rush.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 25 June, 2023, 02:00:00 AM
i think inferno will always be remembered as the story which almost killed 2000ad
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 25 June, 2023, 02:47:29 AM
Oh, do explain?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 25 June, 2023, 03:51:42 AM
they were still recovering from the action shitstorm so when inferno showed up and was as violent as it was it really pissed off the higher ups. Its well believed that if starlord haden't been launched and then merged into the comic it would have been cancelled then and there due to the headaches inferno and the jolly green giant lawsuit had caused
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Doomlord66 on 29 June, 2023, 11:25:30 AM
Whats the best way to read the Day of Chaos storyline? The Hachette books or the Rebellion books?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 30 June, 2023, 02:31:03 PM
The Day of Chaos storyline is collected in the Judge Dredd Mega Collection series which Hachette no longer sells, leaving eBay as probably your only option.

As far as I can make out, Rebellion's volume of The Fourth Faction includes Hot Night in 95, which is not in Hachette's version. Hachette's Fourth Faction does make space for The Assassination List, which is in the Rebellion trade of Endgame. Hachette's Endgame includes Wastelands, which is in Rebellion's Fallout, and Hachette's Aftermath contains Asleep, Suicide Watch and Feral which are not in any of the Rebellion trades, whereas Rebellion's Fallout contains The Pits and Power Struggle, which Hachette doesn't collect in its DoC trio.

For the most complete experience it looks like you should get the Rebellion volumes, plus Aftermath from Hachette, but that will include a lot of duplication between the two third volumes. Alternatively, if you can get them all, go for the three Hachette volumes plus Fast Food (Vol 71 for Hot Night in 95) and Psi-Judge Anderson: Dead End (Vol 89 for The Pits) also from the Mega Collection. That will get you almost everything collected in the six Rebellion and Hachette books, short of Power Struggle.

Clear as day, right?!

If it was me, I'd just go for the Rebellion books.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 08 July, 2023, 01:48:00 PM
Harlem Heroes and Button Man arrived today. Something interesting I noticed was how all the creator owned books are all group together.. with Zenith sitting in-between Button Man and Mazeworld. Unlike the other books Zenith's copyright says Rebellion but it's strange it's placed there especially as, iirc, there was some controversy with who actually owns it. Am I looking too deep into this though? 100%.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 July, 2023, 08:42:57 PM
IIRC, Morrison tried to claim he had ownership, but he was work-for-hire at the time. Button Man and Mazeworld were explicitly published as creator-owned properties.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 July, 2023, 09:43:41 AM
Next book is likely to be End of Days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 10 July, 2023, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 July, 2023, 09:43:41 AMNext book is likely to be End of Days.

Not the Dredd volume I was hoping for. Maybe it'll read better collected but it was a bit meh in the prog imo. vWonder what they'll pair it up with as I don't think it's long engough to fill and entire volume. Barney doesn't have the stats on it but it looks like it was 15 parts so that's what 90ish pages?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 10 July, 2023, 02:29:29 PM
92pp plus 5 covers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 July, 2023, 03:09:41 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 10 July, 2023, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: sintec on 10 July, 2023, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 July, 2023, 09:43:41 AMNext book is likely to be End of Days.

Not the Dredd volume I was hoping for. Maybe it'll read better collected but it was a bit meh in the prog imo. vWonder what they'll pair it up with as I don't think it's long engough to fill and entire volume. Barney doesn't have the stats on it but it looks like it was 15 parts so that's what 90ish pages?

92pp plus 5 covers.

There's various epilogues you can add, as well. They Eat Horses, Don't They?; Carry the Nine; The Hard Way, etc for another (approximately) 50 pages or so.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 10 July, 2023, 07:14:31 PM
Do any of the ones you've listed continue the Buratino thread? If not, then that's another angle.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 July, 2023, 10:19:51 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 10 July, 2023, 07:14:31 PMDo any of the ones you've listed continue the Buratino thread? If not, then that's another angle.

Ooh, that's right! 'Buratino Must Die' for another 50-odd pages. All in all, it's a book that will be easily filled. Lots of Henry Flint goodness, whatever you might think of the story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 11 July, 2023, 02:57:04 PM
I can make an argument that End of Days is on par with Judgement Day, at the very least. YMMV.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 12 July, 2023, 09:25:47 AM
I'd second that. I think it suffers a bit from being a deliberately old-school storyline but being delivered in both a modern style and a modern context. 2000AD is, kind, of, for readers age 12-80 and that's quite a big range to satisfy - this one feels more aimed at the younger end of that range, and why not?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 12 July, 2023, 09:30:45 AM
Imagine being not at least on par with Judgement Day.
The bar is set low there. Lovely art on both though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 July, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 July, 2023, 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 July, 2023, 09:43:41 AMNext book is likely to be End of Days.

Yup (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/judge-dredd-end-of-days/), followed by 13 + Carver Hale + Future Shocks  (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/13-and-carver-hale-and-future-shocks/) and Zenith vol2 (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/zenith-vol-2/)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 July, 2023, 10:42:53 AM
I wouldn't have guessed 13 + Carver Hale for a book in a million years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 July, 2023, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 12 July, 2023, 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 July, 2023, 09:43:41 AMNext book is likely to be End of Days.

Yup (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/judge-dredd-end-of-days/), followed by 13 + Carver Hale + Future Shocks  (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/13-and-carver-hale-and-future-shocks/) and Zenith vol2 (https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/2000-ad-ultimate-collection/zenith-vol-2/)

From the artist credits it looks like that's going to collect everything Mike Carey has written for the prog.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 July, 2023, 12:08:14 PM
Good catch. So that's 13, Carver Hale, Future Shocks 'Inside Job' and 'Right back at ya' (both with John Charles) and Pulp Sci-Fi 'Eggs is Eggs' (Cliff Robinson) and 'Doin' Time' (Ben McCloud).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 12 July, 2023, 03:05:06 PM
I'm a big fan of Mike Carey so I'm happy that's been put together!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 July, 2023, 09:50:10 AM
I can take or leave Carver Hale, which never really got going, but I adore 13 - that makes the book a must-buy!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 14 July, 2023, 09:13:38 AM
I know I'm a few months behind most of you on the Thread but just reading the Movide Dredd collection for the first time. How good a story is Underbelly? Really entertaining. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 July, 2023, 10:35:30 AM
I thought the whole run worked very well, bar the last story. I get that Matt Smith wanted to wrap things up, but I dunno. It felt a bit of a strange way (if very final) to end everything. (Personally, I'd have liked that version of Dredd to continue indefinitely. It would have been really interesting to see it evolve.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 14 July, 2023, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 14 July, 2023, 10:35:30 AMI thought the whole run worked very well, bar the last story.

'Final Judgement' was just bafflingly awful, and really detracted from the excellent run of "Dredd" strips that preceded it.

A rueful coincidence that the World's Greatest Living Comic Artist™ worked on both 'Final Judgement' and 'End of Days'.

Quote from: Tomwe on 12 July, 2023, 03:05:06 PMI'm a big fan of Mike Carey so I'm happy that's been put together!

It's a shame that the Carey Droid was decommissioned, very talented writer.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 16 July, 2023, 05:15:50 PM
Just finished that movie Dredd collection now.

Shame they moved away from the more-realistic depictions. Thought Dust felt a bit silly in this world and The Dead World felt a bit forced and out of place.

Glad to have this book in the collection though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 23 July, 2023, 10:52:34 PM
Anyone else have issues with the printing in their copy of Kingdom Vol3?starts about 29 story pages in, and then alternates per spread of pages. Bit off register & smudgy.
I'll chase up Hachette unless they're all the same.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Knightshade on 24 July, 2023, 11:47:11 AM
My copy of Kingdom Vol 3 is ok
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Doomlord66 on 25 July, 2023, 12:41:34 AM
Anyone know where I can get a copy of 144? Hatchet doesn't have one nor is there one on ebay.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 25 July, 2023, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: Doomlord66 on 25 July, 2023, 12:41:34 AMAnyone know where I can get a copy of 144? Hatchet doesn't have one nor is there one on ebay.

Keep a look out! Hachette occasionally do small re-print runs. I originally missed volume 2 of Stickleback, but kept an eye on the site. After several months it came back into stock. After I grabbed a copy it went back to out-of-print within a few days!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 July, 2023, 12:18:22 AM
My Smiths is sending a copy back as they ordered it in twice, so you might get a chance..that and they reordered Button Man...

Great, another Slaine book...whoopee
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 02 August, 2023, 12:08:03 PM
Hello, longtime lurker, first time poster. I was wondering if anyone else has received issue 154/ vol 145 yet? I got mine on 22nd July along with the Slaine issue and 154 has a very noticeable spine art misalignment (printed too far to the right so spine image has a black vertical bar on the left). I mentioned this to Hatchette via FB messenger along with a photo and they sent me a replacement, which is no better. Posted this on a couple of FB groups but nobody else has received their copy yet so don't know if it's widespread or just a small batch.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 02 August, 2023, 01:38:04 PM
Can someone share the contents of the Judge Dredd End of Days book please? Any strips that haven't previously been reprinted in the Rebellion GN?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 02 August, 2023, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: levers on 02 August, 2023, 01:38:04 PMCan someone share the contents of the Judge Dredd End of Days book please? Any strips that haven't previously been reprinted in the Rebellion GN?

From the inside front coverIMG_20230802_134834328.jpg
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 02 August, 2023, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 02 August, 2023, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: levers on 02 August, 2023, 01:38:04 PMCan someone share the contents of the Judge Dredd End of Days book please? Any strips that haven't previously been reprinted in the Rebellion GN?

From the inside front coverIMG_20230802_134834328.jpg

What strips are those?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2023, 02:23:16 PM
According to the 2000 AD shop:

2088–9: Elevator Pitch (Williams/Weston)
2124–5: Unearthed (Williams/Weston/Goddard)
2134: Pets (Williams/Flint)
2184–95+97–99: End of Days (Williams/Flint/MacNeil)
2200–2205: Carry The Nine (Williams/Wyatt/Cook)

Pets was in the Small House trade. End of Days is collected in the self-titled trade. From what I can tell, the rest have not to date been collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GoGilesGo on 02 August, 2023, 06:08:51 PM
Elevator Pitch was collected in Control
Carry the Nine was in End of Days (Rebellion)


Unearthed was that cute two-parter that opened in Souster Memorial Park, right? enough to being a tear to your eye, that
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 02 August, 2023, 06:41:37 PM
Looks like it also collects They Shoot Talking Horses, Don't They? from 2204 - 2205 which was also collected in the End Of Days tpb
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 02 August, 2023, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 02 August, 2023, 06:41:37 PMLooks like it also collects They Shoot Talking Horses, Don't They? from 2204 - 2205 which was also collected in the End Of Days tpb

Just a quick flick through, it does.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 02 August, 2023, 08:07:55 PM
End of Days order in issue 154:

Pets
End of Days
Carry the Nine
They Shoot talking Horses, don't they?
Elevator Pitch
Unearthed

Followed by a five page essay and two covers
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 02 August, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 02 August, 2023, 08:07:55 PMEnd of Days order in issue 154:

Pets
End of Days
Carry the Nine
They Shoot talking Horses, don't they?
Elevator Pitch
Unearthed

Followed by a five page essay and two covers
Thanks. Pretty sure Carry the Nine and They Shoot talking horses were in the Rebellion trade.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Doomlord66 on 02 August, 2023, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: Doomlord66 on 25 July, 2023, 12:41:34 AMAnyone know where I can get a copy of 144? Hatchet doesn't have one nor is there one on ebay.
It's no longer even listed on their website anymore :-(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2023, 08:49:33 AM
Ha. Apparently my info was almost entirely inaccurate. Bloody website.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 03 August, 2023, 10:18:39 AM
Yeah a few of the more recent Dredd trades on the shop only list the title story
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 03 August, 2023, 04:04:02 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 August, 2023, 08:49:33 AMHa. Apparently my info was almost entirely inaccurate. Bloody website.

I'd say you were bang-on for 5 out of 6, and can't explain why Hatchette chose to run the stories out of prog sequence.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 04 August, 2023, 01:02:34 AM
Oh well, that's a second Dredd volume in a row to skip. Hoping we'll get some more first time Dredd reprints before the collection finishes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 04 August, 2023, 06:16:35 AM
May i continue to say how lucky we are to have matt smith? we almost ended up with the four dark judges teaming up with dredd to fight the four horsemen
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 05 August, 2023, 01:29:43 AM
Quote from: levers on 04 August, 2023, 01:02:34 AMOh well, that's a second Dredd volume in a row to skip. Hoping we'll get some more first time Dredd reprints before the collection finishes.
Not that I don't doubt the quality of Rob Williams writing, I just don't want to double dip when I bought the Rebellion GN a year ago and have all the back up strips across other Rebellion GNs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: don wiskerando on 07 August, 2023, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: castle4 on 02 August, 2023, 12:08:03 PMHello, longtime lurker, first time poster. I was wondering if anyone else has received issue 154/ vol 145 yet? I got mine on 22nd July along with the Slaine issue and 154 has a very noticeable spine art misalignment (printed too far to the right so spine image has a black vertical bar on the left). I mentioned this to Hatchette via FB messenger along with a photo and they sent me a replacement, which is no better. Posted this on a couple of FB groups but nobody else has received their copy yet so don't know if it's widespread or just a small batch.
My copy is the same. It's only a couple of mm but is still very noticeable.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 07 August, 2023, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: don wiskerando on 07 August, 2023, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: castle4 on 02 August, 2023, 12:08:03 PMHello, longtime lurker, first time poster. I was wondering if anyone else has received issue 154/ vol 145 yet? I got mine on 22nd July along with the Slaine issue and 154 has a very noticeable spine art misalignment (printed too far to the right so spine image has a black vertical bar on the left). I mentioned this to Hatchette via FB messenger along with a photo and they sent me a replacement, which is no better. Posted this on a couple of FB groups but nobody else has received their copy yet so don't know if it's widespread or just a small batch.
My copy is the same. It's only a couple of mm but is still very noticeable.

Agh same, can't unsee it now
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2023, 11:08:12 AM
Good grief. I find it astonishing that when a company puts so much emphasis on one aspect of its collection – and to the severe detriment of basic usability – it still can't get it right.

I love these volumes, in giving us hardback collections of series that would otherwise never have seen that format (and in books thin enough that they won't suffer page sag). Would it have killed them to get a designer in that could have at least put titles on the spines? Eaglemoss managed that and still had spine art for its collections. Bah.

(I still keep wondering if there's any way of doing this myself, but I cannot think of anything that won't look a bit shit. Any kind of sticker – even if perfectly trimmed to the spine – is going to look off. I detest dust jackets and so don't want to make those or sleeves. Ah well.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 10 August, 2023, 06:22:56 AM
I'm on holiday at the moment, but my son has opened a recent package and I've had 155 and 156 delivered. I'll confirm contents tomorrow when I get back home.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 10 August, 2023, 06:45:18 PM
Contents page of Zenith:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 10 August, 2023, 06:49:05 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 10 August, 2023, 06:45:18 PMContents page of Zenith:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 10 August, 2023, 06:52:10 PM
Contents page of Thirteen
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 August, 2023, 07:16:56 PM
ohh they are including the fake interview thats everything zenith wise apart from the text story
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 11 August, 2023, 12:11:58 AM
Thanks Castle4!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 11 August, 2023, 11:13:31 AM
I haven't read Thirteen, is it any good?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 11 August, 2023, 12:04:35 PM
I've tried emailing them about the spine issue on Judge Dredd End of Days but they keep saying they cannot see any problem with it. Anyone else had any luck with them over this
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlexF on 11 August, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
Thirteen is EXCELLENT - one of the best 'one and done' stories in the Prog. For me it's also when Andy Clarke went from 'really strong budding artist' to 'comics professional'.
But, you know, I'm a big apologist for Return to Armageddon so take that with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 11 August, 2023, 12:16:14 PM
That's enough recommendation for me! Thanks Alex!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 August, 2023, 01:20:45 PM
"but they keep saying they cannot see any problem with it"

Did you send a photo? Mind you, I imagine their attention to detail on this isn't great. It's not the first spine flub.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 11 August, 2023, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 11 August, 2023, 12:12:06 PMThirteen is EXCELLENT - one of the best 'one and done' stories in the Prog. For me it's also when Andy Clarke went from 'really strong budding artist' to 'comics professional'.
But, you know, I'm a big apologist for Return to Armageddon so take that with a pinch of salt.

Seconded.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 August, 2023, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 11 August, 2023, 12:12:06 PM...
But, you know, I'm a big apologist for Return to Armageddon so take that with a pinch of salt.

There's no such thing as an apologist for 'Return to Armageddon' there's simply those that recognise its brilliance and those that are wrong!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 11 August, 2023, 07:43:33 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 August, 2023, 01:20:45 PM"but they keep saying they cannot see any problem with it"

Did you send a photo? Mind you, I imagine their attention to detail on this isn't great. It's not the first spine flub.

Yes I sent them about 6 images
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 12 August, 2023, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 11 August, 2023, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 11 August, 2023, 12:12:06 PM...
But, you know, I'm a big apologist for Return to Armageddon so take that with a pinch of salt.

There's no such thing as an apologist for 'Return to Armageddon' there's simply those that recognise its brilliance and those that are wrong!

No, those that should be excommunicated and forced to walk the walk of shame with a billboard saying "I am utterly unable to recognise brilliance!"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 12 August, 2023, 07:16:28 PM
I read Snow/Tiger...and I am disappointed.  I loved the first story...and it ended all too soon.  Black Light felt the same, and ditto with with the last story.  Three tales I loved and yet didn't get the coverage they deserved while stuff like Slaine got dragged out...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 August, 2023, 07:25:13 PM
Read Button Man.  Again, loved it, though the final showdown at the Senators estate seemed a little rushed and what happened to Cora, while maybe inevitable seemed a bit of a cop out.  Still, a good story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 14 August, 2023, 07:33:34 PM
Just got a replacement End Of Days, my original had some creased and damaged pages. Looks like the spine issue is not uniform across all copies as the new one still has it but is barely noticeable compared to the first
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 22 August, 2023, 11:16:18 AM
New Issues up on Hachette site:
157 Damnation Station + Go Machine + Dead Signal  - Al Ewing Volume
158 Atavar + Road Kill  - Dan Abnett and Richard Elson
159 Harlem Heroes Volume 2 - the rest of Inferno
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2023, 11:46:22 AM
Some interesting and surprising choices there, although nothing that makes me want to punch the BUY button just yet. Roll on 160!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 August, 2023, 01:54:07 PM
So, so happy to see Atavar! It's criminal that this will be the first complete printing of the trilogy...!

141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 - Dredd: End of Days
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 – Age of the Wolf
150 -
151 - Button Man 1
152 - Button Man 2
153 – Return to Armageddon
154 – Mean Team
155 - 13 & Carver Hale
156 – Snow/Tiger
157 – Kingdom (and Shako)
158 - Damnation Station
159 -
160 -
161 – Al's Baby
162 – Mazeworld
163 – Zenith volume I
164 – Zenith volume 2
165 -
166 -
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 - Atavar
174 -
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 – Dredd: Machine Law
179 – Dredd & Anderson
180 –

Also confirmed; Armoured Gideon, Proteus Vex, Lawless, Kingmaker, Durham Red and Scarlet Traces. Tacitly confirmed is Dan Dare.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 August, 2023, 03:47:44 PM
you know its kinda odd that end of days is so far away from the other dredd books we got so far is there a reason for that i wonder?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 22 August, 2023, 07:43:44 PM
I'm still hoping against hope for a second volume of 'The Order' which would complete the story. It would feature the following:

Inbetween Days - Prog 2182
Land of the Free - Progs 2184-2195
Fantastic Voyage - Progs 2262-2272
Heart of Darkness - Progs 2317-2329

This would appear to be enough material for a book and the story and artwork certainly merit its inclusion.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 23 August, 2023, 11:14:40 AM
i mean having the volume with armoured gideon in it in the same extension as the series itself seems a no brainer right?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 23 August, 2023, 11:23:12 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 22 August, 2023, 07:43:44 PMI'm still hoping against hope for a second volume of 'The Order' which would complete the story. It would feature the following:

Inbetween Days - Prog 2182
Land of the Free - Progs 2184-2195
Fantastic Voyage - Progs 2262-2272
Heart of Darkness - Progs 2317-2329

This would appear to be enough material for a book and the story and artwork certainly merit its inclusion.

Yeah 3 arcs is perfect for a book and it would definitely be nice to have the whole thing. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 23 August, 2023, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 22 August, 2023, 11:16:18 AMNew Issues up on Hachette site:
157 Damnation Station + Go Machine + Dead Signal  - Al Ewing Volume
158 Atavar + Road Kill  - Dan Abnett and Richard Elson
159 Harlem Heroes Volume 2 - the rest of Inferno
Damnation I caught in some Meg floppies a couple of years ago. Not too fussed. The other Al Ewings worth a read?
I liked Kingdom so may give the Atavar volume a go - any views on it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Grumpy Andrew on 23 August, 2023, 12:39:19 PM
I might have to pull the trigger on that Atavar collection. I remember it very fondly. Sublime creature designs. A story that doesn't outstay its welcome, and as a result runs the risk of being lost in the shuffle of 2000AD's highlights and big hitters. Madness that all 3 (is it 3?) books have never been collected before. I think a Sunday afternoon with this collection, a cup of tea and a Belgian bun is something I'm greatly looking forward to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Southstreeter on 23 August, 2023, 06:25:55 PM
Atavar? Holy cr*p, I've been wanting this for years! I was always disappointed my collected edition ended after series 2 (from Tharg's annoying habit of collecting books in two's, which always bollixed up series with an odd number).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: GoGilesGo on 24 August, 2023, 05:54:20 AM
Quote from: Le Fink on 23 August, 2023, 12:22:27 PMThe other Al Ewings worth a read?

Dead Signal is pretty good but kinda fizzles then just stops without wrapping up the story.

collected in the floppie that came with Meg 383

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/MEG383P (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/MEG383P)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 25 August, 2023, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: GoGilesGo on 24 August, 2023, 05:54:20 AM
Quote from: Le Fink on 23 August, 2023, 12:22:27 PMThe other Al Ewings worth a read?

Dead Signal is pretty good but kinda fizzles then just stops without wrapping up the story.

collected in the floppie that came with Meg 383

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/MEG383P (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/MEG383P)

Thanks! Think I'll pass on this one.

Moved to cherry-picking mode after issue 140. The spine art change has put me off a bit and too many double dips for me in this latest extension.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 01 September, 2023, 07:07:26 PM
157 and 158 now out in the wild.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 01 September, 2023, 07:08:50 PM
The Avatar volume feels thin
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 02 September, 2023, 10:48:39 AM
Sintec

 Have you updated your spreadsheet on percentage of published stories recently last one I found was a some time ago

https://imgur.com/p4llPOz.png
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 04 September, 2023, 02:27:13 PM
The first 10 pages of Thirteen's artwork are heavily pixelated in my copy, although the text is clear. Is it the same for everybody?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: James Stacey on 04 September, 2023, 04:21:40 PM
It's not just yours, mine is the same
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 04 September, 2023, 06:51:20 PM
I too was just going to ask about 13 story art being pixelated. I don't remember this in original run?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 04 September, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Same here, with the pixelation. But not only that, one of the pages appears to have entirely the wrong art on it, repeating a spread from a couple of pages previous.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: don wiskerando on 04 September, 2023, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: Anthony Garnon on 04 September, 2023, 02:27:13 PMThe first 10 pages of Thirteen's artwork are heavily pixelated in my copy, although the text is clear. Is it the same for everybody?
I hadn't even noticed until your post, but yes my copy is the same.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 05 September, 2023, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: Grumpy Andrew on 23 August, 2023, 12:39:19 PMI might have to pull the trigger on that Atavar collection. I remember it very fondly. Sublime creature designs. A story that doesn't outstay its welcome, and as a result runs the risk of being lost in the shuffle of 2000AD's highlights and big hitters.

Definite cherry pick for me too. Absolute gem from Abnett and Elson.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 September, 2023, 01:54:20 PM
Quote from: Don Wiskerando on 04 September, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 04 September, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: Michael Knight on 04 September, 2023, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 04 September, 2023, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: Anthony Garnon on 04 September, 2023, 02:27:13 PMThe first 10 pages of Thirteen's artwork are heavily pixelated in my copy, although the text is clear. Is it the same for everybody?
It's not just yours, mine is the same
I too was just going to ask about 13 story art being pixelated. I don't remember this in original run?
Same here, with the pixelation. But not only that, one of the pages appears to have entirely the wrong art on it, repeating a spread from a couple of pages previous.
I hadn't even noticed until your post, but yes my copy is the same.

Well, that's annoying. From the quick straw poll here, it seems safe to assume it's the whole print run affected, rather than a few stray misprints (which makes sense - it'll be a problem with the original print files). Has anyone complained to Hachette? Perhaps I'll hold fire on that book in hopes of a reprint.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 05 September, 2023, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: moly on 02 September, 2023, 10:48:39 AMSintec

 Have you updated your spreadsheet on percentage of published stories recently last one I found was a some time ago

https://imgur.com/p4llPOz.png

I haven't - will try to get it up to date over the weekend.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 06 September, 2023, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 September, 2023, 01:54:20 PMHas anyone complained to Hachette? Perhaps I'll hold fire on that book in hopes of a reprint.
They just said they'd send me a replacement, though I don't imagine it will be any different.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 September, 2023, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: leethomson on 06 September, 2023, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 September, 2023, 01:54:20 PMHas anyone complained to Hachette? Perhaps I'll hold fire on that book in hopes of a reprint.
They just said they'd send me a replacement, though I don't imagine it will be any different.

No, the fact that everyone here says the same is true of their copy is not hopeful.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 September, 2023, 03:05:00 PM
If the art is pixelated, that'll be because of an error in the source files. Unless they've done a corrected print run – unlikely with a partwork at this stage of its life – I imagine it's vanishingly unlikely there will be copies without the error.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 07 September, 2023, 04:51:11 PM
And I could live with that, but printing this:
 (https://tvwriting.co.uk/images/Repeat.jpg)
 instead of this:
 (https://tvwriting.co.uk/images/Original.jpg)
 is a bit harder to give a pass to.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 September, 2023, 12:23:10 PM
Spent some time over the weekend updating my spreadsheets to see how much of the Prog the Hachette collections have now reprinted.

(https://i.imgur.com/GmLb4zE.png)

There's stil a pretty large dip in the early 90s but the 3rd UC extension has definitely filled that out a bit. There are now ~10 years where we have over 75% of the prog reprinted! With half of those being the "golden age" from 81-85 and most of the rest around 2008-2012 (is this the progs 2nd golden age?).

Overall we've got ~57% of the strips published in the Prog reprinted at this stage and there are 266 progs where we have all the strip content!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 12 September, 2023, 03:52:32 PM
That must have taken you a while!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 12 September, 2023, 06:06:01 PM
I had quite a lot of it done already. Just needed to add the last few months of UC volumes and the last year and a halfs worth of Progs to my spreadsheets. I've written a script which compares the 2 files and pumps out the data on how many stories were in each prog and which Hachette runs they've appeared in. If I hadn't started collating the data back in the early days of UC1 I doubt I'd start now as the amount of data entry would be daunting.

Also praise Barney. Without that resource this would have been much much more tedious.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 12 September, 2023, 07:09:53 PM
Sintec thanks for updating your chart so with the remaining issues looks like 65% would of been published
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 13 September, 2023, 10:25:18 AM
Yeah reckon it'll be somewhere around that, depends how much Megazine and specials content they include and the page counts of the remaining books. It's also worth noting that there'll be another years worth of Progs coming out in that time and I suspect none of that will make the collection so that'll drag the % down a little bit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 13 September, 2023, 06:01:41 PM
Got my replacement Thirteen today. All issues are still present, which is what I was expecting. I was really looking forward to this one and Hachette have totally shit the bed with it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 September, 2023, 10:25:53 PM
I finally got End of Days.  Bit of a mixed feeling about it.  The story was interesting, but rather jumbled.  It didn't help that I haven't read any of the other stories from that immediate era so there's some references I can't pick up on.  The additional stories were decent.  Still, I would prefer to see a Black Atlantic volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 16 September, 2023, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 12 August, 2023, 07:16:28 PMI read Snow/Tiger...and I am disappointed.  I loved the first story...and it ended all too soon.  Black Light felt the same, and ditto with with the last story.  Three tales I loved and yet didn't get the coverage they deserved while stuff like Slaine got dragged out...
I've just read it and second your comment. Snow/Tiger was great, fast moving with superb art, but just ended far too quickly! Black Light was mixed on the art front but an intriguing story and I would have happily had more. The vendetta saga had a bigger bite of the cherry with three longer tales but could easily have continued. John Burns on top form throughout. A great collection so not exactly disappointed as such but left wanting more. Shame we can't have more 'thirty seconds into the future' thrillers, Tharg!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Doomlord66 on 17 September, 2023, 12:10:31 AM
Stopped collecting this series after 143, reasons being -
1, Running out of room. (also have the complete Judge Dreďd collection and the Eaglemoss Batman series*)
2, Got the Zenith hardcovers in slipcase for Xmas,

So now just cherry picking and just bought Machine Law, End of Days and Button Man v1



*still p*ssed Eaglemoss went bust and this series ended prematurely
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 18 September, 2023, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Doomlord66 on 17 September, 2023, 12:10:31 AMstill p*ssed Eaglemoss went bust and this series ended prematurely
Yeah me too! I flip-flopped on whether to stop at 100(?) and then hoped to get back into it just as it gave up the ghost. Still not read all of it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 September, 2023, 12:52:19 PM
Struggling with Black Siddha. It started well enough but by the 3rd book I'm just increasingly disengaged. The art's fantastic and Pat's providing lots of great stuff for Simon Davis to draw, I just don't really care about any of these characters. Feels a lot like Pat rehashing Finn but swapping paganism and Icke for Hindu mythology.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 30 September, 2023, 11:36:21 AM
I've just received the latest Hatchette volumes 159 and 160, whoch is the previously announced Harlem Heroes vol 2 and Counterfeit Girl! Can anyone enlighten me please as I've never heard of it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 30 September, 2023, 11:47:06 AM
Oh, and for anyone interested, 160 also includes Shadows, Bix Barton and Tribal Memories.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2023, 12:27:05 PM
QuoteCounterfeit Girl! Shadows, Bix Barton and Tribal Memories.
WUT? That's the hallowed 'rest of Milligan' book I was hoping for, bar (alas) Freaks. I had no idea this was coming. Here's hoping FPI has a copy...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 30 September, 2023, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2023, 12:27:05 PM
QuoteCounterfeit Girl! Shadows, Bix Barton and Tribal Memories.
WUT? That's the hallowed 'rest of Milligan' book I was hoping for, bar (alas) Freaks. I had no idea this was coming. Here's hoping FPI has a copy...

If the attachment upload size was bigger I'd post the cover. It's spine 150 for those counting.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 30 September, 2023, 01:56:48 PM
Contents of 160
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 30 September, 2023, 02:29:45 PM
I'm delighted that Shadows is getting its first ever reprint after more than 30 years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 30 September, 2023, 02:38:52 PM
Happy days! Really looking forward to re-reading Shadows.

No Freaks though???
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 30 September, 2023, 03:51:38 PM
Quote from: sintec on 19 September, 2023, 12:52:19 PMStruggling with Black Siddha. It started well enough but by the 3rd book I'm just increasingly disengaged. The art's fantastic and Pat's providing lots of great stuff for Simon Davis to draw, I just don't really care about any of these characters. Feels a lot like Pat rehashing Finn but swapping paganism and Icke for Hindu mythology.
I've just finished this. It was OK. The protagonist was fairly unlikeable and not that interesting! Maybe that was the point? All the characters' faces were incredibly detailed and well depicted, but I found some of the rest of the art a bit murky. Not sure it'll get a re-read. I thought the Slaine series before it was also OK, in places stunning to look at. Other places, bit hard to make out what's going on. Story-wise, well you know what to expect with Slaine. I really liked the little black-and-white vignette at the start, with Chris Weston's inks. He's come a long way!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 01 October, 2023, 08:02:34 AM
bix barton?!? was not expecting that
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 01 October, 2023, 12:09:42 PM
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. Never read Shadows and remember enjoying Counterfeit Girl so I'll cherry pick this one. Not fussed at all about Bix Barton but never mind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 01 October, 2023, 12:30:59 PM
Box Barton is definitely a brave choice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 02 October, 2023, 03:45:59 PM
Hatchette have just announced the next two volumes (161) Button Man vol 2 and (162) Flesh Midnight Cowboys.

Who had more Flesh on their bingo card?!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2023, 04:56:38 PM
I guess that's 'the rest of Flesh', then. I'll happily avoid that. Judging by the credits, Button Man wraps up the run. Half tempted by those, but I did buy the CHONKY paperback a while ago. Gah. There's always another edition to 'upgrade' to. Mind you, I bought Counterfeit Girl too and am going to rebuy that now. _Sigh_.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 03 October, 2023, 03:30:07 AM
we are one dancing ostrich away from having everything pat mills ever wrote for in the collection now.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2023, 07:19:25 AM
Pat Mills "Dancing Ostridge edition" coming soon featuring:

The last two books of Savage
Flesh the legend of Shamana
Satanus Unchained
Blood of Satanus II and III
Defoe - The Divisor
The Joe Pineapples & Rojaws story ...

I mean, I would buy it ....
Surely there is at least one more Pat Mills volume coming;
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 03 October, 2023, 07:49:36 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2023, 07:19:25 AMPat Mills "Dancing Ostridge edition" coming soon featuring:

The last two books of Savage
Flesh the legend of Shamana
Satanus Unchained
Blood of Satanus II and III
Defoe - The Divisor
The Joe Pineapples & Rojaws story ...

I mean, I would buy it ....
Surely there is at least one more Pat Mills volume coming;
I would buy that too, mainly so I can read the rest of Savage. Gimme!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: NapalmKev on 03 October, 2023, 08:48:10 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2023, 07:19:25 AMPat Mills "Dancing Ostridge edition"

I'd happily take a hardcover of American Reaper.

Cheers
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 03 October, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
Not the most comprehensive Bix Barton collection - just two stories, already reprinted (ages ago!) in the Extreme Editions. I'll take them in hardback, though. Always had a soft spot for Bix, but I shouldn't think it's aged well (unlike yours truly).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 October, 2023, 12:24:24 PM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2023, 07:19:25 AMPat Mills "Dancing Ostridge edition" coming soon featuring:

The last two books of Savage
Flesh the legend of Shamana
Satanus Unchained
Blood of Satanus II and III
Defoe - The Divisor
The Joe Pineapples & Rojaws story ...

And just what have you got against Dinosity?!

In all seriousness, it'd be lovely to have the last of Savage and Defoe collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 03 October, 2023, 02:14:12 PM
Satanus Unchained wasn't by Mills.

Blood of Satanus III will be coming up in Complete Case Files 44, so is unlikely to feature in the UC too.

Legend of Shamana has some absolutely glorious painted artwork and is Carl Critchlow's best work for the prog, it definitely deserves a reprint somewhere!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 03 October, 2023, 02:50:01 PM
Looks like they've got the volume numbers wrong on the 2 new books :lol:. I can't see Button Man vol 2 being anything other than volume 152 but they've got that down as 166 and Flesh as 152. Seems more likely Flesh is 142 placing it adjacent to the other Mills volume as they've tended to group things by writer in the previous runs (although Abnett's got books spread across this run so maybe they've abandoned that). If it is 142 and they are (vaguely) sticking to that pattern the it might imply that this might be our last Mills volume. But that's a whole lot of ifs and guess work so could be entirely wrong.

I too would be very happy to see a volume with the last chapters of Defoe and Savage - just for completeness sake if nothing else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 13school on 04 October, 2023, 07:47:08 AM
Quote from: NapalmKev on 03 October, 2023, 08:48:10 AM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 03 October, 2023, 07:19:25 AMPat Mills "Dancing Ostridge edition"

I'd happily take a hardcover of American Reaper.

Cheers

As would I - a semi-recent re-read revealed it read much better in one burst than in dribs and drabs over a year. I would have thought as it's creator-owned and the movie rights have been grabbed it wouldn't qualify for the Ultimate treatment, but that hasn't stopped Button Man...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 04 October, 2023, 09:19:47 PM
John Wagner & Arthur Ranson own the rights to Button Man but Rebellion own the UK publishing rights & Kitchen Sink have the USA rights.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 05 October, 2023, 03:19:51 AM
Quote from: leethomson on 03 October, 2023, 09:19:10 AMNot the most comprehensive Bix Barton collection - just two stories, already reprinted (ages ago!) in the Extreme Editions. I'll take them in hardback, though. Always had a soft spot for Bix, but I shouldn't think it's aged well (unlike yours truly).

That's... unfortunate. I thought that the strip really came into it's own with the done-in-one stories in the Sci-Fi Specials. These brilliant, often laugh-out-loud funny distillations of English absurdity along with John Smith's text stories consistently made the specials worth buying in the 1990s. Pete & Jim somehow even managed to give a talking plate of full English breakfast gravitas which is no mean feat.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 05 October, 2023, 10:36:47 AM
That english breakfast story is peak Barton. The Carry On one though is the absolute pits. I assume that's in the Hachette volume? I seem to remember it was in the Extreme Edition.
Seems like I might be the only person here interested in picking up that Flesh book. I really like James Mckay's work - wasn't a fan at the time, but I'd like to revisit it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 05 October, 2023, 12:01:27 PM
I thought McKay was really good, lots of energy in his work. I'd happily see him back at some point.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 October, 2023, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 05 October, 2023, 10:36:47 AMThat english breakfast story is peak Barton. The Carry On one though is the absolute pits.
I recall that breakfast one. Really fun. Silly. Colourful. And I also recall the Carry On one. Yeah...

I imagine Shadows isn't going to hold up amazingly well, but I'm very happy to see it reprinted, alongside Tribal Memories – which I did enjoy on reading it a few years ago. In fact, I think I held on to an old Best of 2000 AD bookazine-style special, just because it had the full run in it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 October, 2023, 12:31:49 PM
Finished Damnation Station and Atavar over the weekend. Both excellent volumes imo.

Damnation Station takes a little while to get going but delivers some cracking episodes along the way. The fight with the giant fish has some stunning panels. Ending is maybe a little deus ex machina but, given the commentary in the back section, I guess they wanted to get it all wrapped fairly quickly. Go Machine and Dead Signal are also both solid additions with plenty of action.

Atavar was also great action packed hard sci-fi. Can't really go wrong with Abnett and Elson on a strip. Does feel like a story which could keep going as there are clearly more battles to be won. Still enjoyable stuff and not a bad place to end things. Sometimes you don't need to resolve all the loose ends.

My only complaint would be 2 books with not dissimilar plotlines dropping at the same time. But overall great stuff. Looking forwards to the Milligan book in the neat future.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 15 October, 2023, 01:24:11 PM
So, with only 18 volumes yet to be formally announced, what are we collectively aware of that's either been confirmed or is visible on the spine art?

From memory, I think we know the following, but please jump in to correct me:

Crimson Traces (2 volumes?)
Harry 20 on the High Rock
Armoured Gideon
Lawless
Likely Dredd story at 180, as 179 is Dredd.

Possible Dan Dare, and a Tharg stories collection, as he is all over the spine art from vol 1-3 along with the dictators and thrill suckers and they've never shown up.

I'll try and post a very poor quality image of the final 40 books Spine art, which was all I could find online, as there are characters I don't recognise.

So that leaves about 10 spare slots.

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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 15 October, 2023, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 15 October, 2023, 01:24:11 PMCrimson Traces (2 volumes?)

Scarlet Traces
 :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 October, 2023, 05:36:01 PM
Good grief, I hope that Tharg is just on the spine art because 2000 AD and not because there's going to be a collection of Tharg strips. That would be a waste of a book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 15 October, 2023, 07:15:02 PM
I still hold out hope of a second 'The Order' volume to complete the series. It is a lot more deserving of a place than some of what has been collected.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 15 October, 2023, 07:34:14 PM
Wrapping up The Order in the UC would be an amazing thing to do and an excellent tribute to Burns's career. Of course, we've no idea how set in stone all this stuff is. But here's hoping.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 15 October, 2023, 07:52:26 PM
Hopefully they would add ABC Warriors Tin Man to the collection to finish off their, as they released Trifecta in the Judge Dredd collection around the same time they released the TPB
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 15 October, 2023, 09:15:14 PM
I think I remember reading somewhere quite some time ago that all the content for these Hachette Partworks was selected personally by 2000ad editor, Matt Smith. If this is so and if that esteemed gentleman is reading this (and also providing all the decisions have not already been taken) please could we have a second book of 'The Order'? Pretty please!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 16 October, 2023, 01:19:40 PM
Looking back a few pages, Proteus Vex, Kingmaker and Durham Red were also mentioned as still to come. If correct, only about seven unknowns.

My vote would be for vol 180 to include the missing PJ Maybe story and one final Savage volume to bring us up to date with his Prog appearances, bolstered by Disaster 1999 to complete the Bill Savage story and get an appropriate page count.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 October, 2023, 01:45:52 PM
Pretty unlikely they'd shove a Dredd and two Pat Mills stories into a single volume. Savage + Disaster 1999 maybe.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 16 October, 2023, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 October, 2023, 01:45:52 PMPretty unlikely they'd shove a Dredd and two Pat Mills stories into a single volume. Savage + Disaster 1999 maybe.

Sorry, that should have read as me suggesting two different volumes there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robprosser on 16 October, 2023, 04:46:22 PM
Is there enough "Fiends of the Eastern Front" to warrant a second collection?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 October, 2023, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 16 October, 2023, 04:46:22 PMIs there enough "Fiends of the Eastern Front" to warrant a second collection?

I don't know what's already been collected, but I have a listing (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/FiendsOfTheEasternFront/data.html).

It deliberately doesn't include the new Fiends of the Western Front (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/FiendsOfTheWesternFront/data.html), because reasons. Also, it doesn't include the very recent Hellman of Hell Force: Fiends of Ungeistwelt Ost - because that's more of a playful name drop than anything.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 16 October, 2023, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 16 October, 2023, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 16 October, 2023, 04:46:22 PMIs there enough "Fiends of the Eastern Front" to warrant a second collection?

I don't know what's already been collected, but I have a listing (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/FiendsOfTheEasternFront/data.html).

It deliberately doesn't include the new Fiends of the Western Front (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/FiendsOfTheWesternFront/data.html), because reasons. Also, it doesn't include the very recent Hellman of Hell Force: Fiends of Ungeistwelt Ost - because that's more of a playful name drop than anything.

Even with all of those included, that's under 140pp of new strip by my rough count...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 16 October, 2023, 07:42:42 PM
With the recent memorial issue, it'd be nice to get a collection of the older Hershey stories at some point, most of which have never been reprinted (save for the Extreme Edition).

That or, complete the Dark Justice series in HC, as the collections seem to have switched to digital-only after Vol 2. The Ultimate Collection of Dominion went beyond the Rebellion HC to include The Torture Garden, but after that nothing's been collected physically.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 16 October, 2023, 08:53:14 PM
Nobody wants to see Disaster 1990 again.

Igor Goldkind's Hershey stories in the 90s were pretty good, but their page count is pretty low. I think they were eight episodes all together.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 16 October, 2023, 10:22:56 PM
Quote from: Richard on 16 October, 2023, 08:53:14 PMNobody wants to see Disaster 1990 again.

Igor Goldkind's Hershey stories in the 90s were pretty good, but their page count is pretty low. I think they were eight episodes all together.



58 pages of Igor and Kevin Cullen's Hershey.
52 pages of Paul Neil & Marc Wigmore's Hershey.

There are various short stories and two parters as well, but not enough for a 200pg volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 17 October, 2023, 12:59:30 PM
Howdy Chaps. Gave up collecting after 140 but did a wee bit of cherry picking. just got Button man, Zenith vol 2, and Slaine Dragontamer in the post - looking forward to reading those. Seems like quite a few decent books in the extension from what you guys are saying. could be tempted by avatar, as I love dan abnetts other stuff, and do I recall hearing proteus vex is good?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 October, 2023, 01:31:16 PM
Proteus Vex is excellent. One of the best new strips in recent years, and something that reads better in collected form.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 17 October, 2023, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Richard on 16 October, 2023, 08:53:14 PMNobody wants to see Disaster 1990 again.

Igor Goldkind's Hershey stories in the 90s were pretty good, but their page count is pretty low. I think they were eight episodes all together.



I enjoyed Disaster 1990 on it's original run and would definitely buy it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 17 October, 2023, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: michaelarby on 17 October, 2023, 12:59:30 PMHowdy Chaps. Gave up collecting after 140 but did a wee bit of cherry picking. just got Button man, Zenith vol 2, and Slaine Dragontamer in the post - looking forward to reading those. Seems like quite a few decent books in the extension from what you guys are saying. could be tempted by avatar, as I love dan abnetts other stuff, and do I recall hearing proteus vex is good?
I'm part way through the Atavar book and would certainly recommend it. Proteus Vex is brill. Lots of great ideas and Henry Flint and Jake Lynch knock it out the park.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 17 October, 2023, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 16 October, 2023, 06:44:24 PMIt deliberately doesn't include the new Fiends of the Western Front (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/FiendsOfTheWesternFront/data.html), because reasons. Also, it doesn't include the very recent Hellman of Hell Force: Fiends of Ungeistwelt Ost - because that's more of a playful name drop than anything.

'Fiends of the Western Front' is included in the Ultimate Collection book, but will not feature in the upcoming Rebellion volume (out in December).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 17 October, 2023, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 17 October, 2023, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 16 October, 2023, 06:44:24 PMIt deliberately doesn't include the new Fiends of the Western Front (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/FiendsOfTheWesternFront/data.html), because reasons. Also, it doesn't include the very recent Hellman of Hell Force: Fiends of Ungeistwelt Ost - because that's more of a playful name drop than anything.

'Fiends of the Western Front' is included in the Ultimate Collection book, but will not feature in the upcoming Rebellion volume (out in December).

Not to be a fanny - but there are two Fiends of the Western Front:

1. The 2018-19 5-parter by Edginton & Trevallion - set in Europe.
2. The Wilde West prologue 2022 1-parter  by Edginton & Pleece - set in North America.

(Leading to a bit of confusion for nerds when talking about them. Edginton! Bed - no supper!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 17 October, 2023, 07:21:58 PM
Sorry Funt Solo - I didn't realise that the latest instalment was also called 'Fiends of the Western Front'. All very confusing as you say; but let's just hope it all gets collected eventually!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 18 October, 2023, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 15 October, 2023, 01:24:11 PMSo, with only 18 volumes yet to be formally announced, what are we collectively aware of that's either been confirmed or is visible on the spine art?

Think these all either appear on the spine or have been confirmed at some stage.


Which is ~12 more volumes (assuming complete runs of everything).

My guesses/wish list for the other 6:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 18 October, 2023, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: sintec on 18 October, 2023, 12:38:52 PMMy guesses/wish list for the other 6:
  • A book with the 2 remaining Savage stories and Tin Man to round out those Mills sagas
  • The Order
  • Brink - I think the last series was long enough to fill a volume on it's own but might be mistaken
  • Survival Geeks
  • Stainless Steel Rat
  • Dredd - although what I'm not sure
I'd like to see the final Defoe in that Mills book (in preference to Tin Man if it comes to it)
Dredd - the as yet unprinted Ron Smiths?
I'd buy a Survival Geeks - there's a lot of it I've not read.
The Order book 2 would be great.
SSR a good one but maybe not for me as I've got the big paperback.
Hmmm what's left to print?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 18 October, 2023, 02:10:26 PM
QuoteDredd - the as yet unprinted Ron Smiths?
Death of a Judge is one of my all-time favourites, and it's not in either of the Hachette collections, so it would be great if it was included. Not sure that there are enough unused Ron Smiths left to fill a whole volume though (although there are several), but maybe it would fit some other theme.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 October, 2023, 05:28:18 PM
My hope is that Matt prioritises finishing off as many series as possible to reasonable end points. Or, to put it another way, I hope we get that second book of The Order.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 18 October, 2023, 07:29:12 PM
i am starting to think we'll get the order paired with maybe the first and second series of armoured gideon at this point
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 19 October, 2023, 09:35:00 AM

I was hoping you'd chime in Sintec!

Agree with your wishlist, hope the final PJ Maybe run will be collected in the Dredd volume.

Thinking about it, if DD is coming, does that make MACH1 the only story not collected from the first Progs?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 October, 2023, 09:56:11 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 October, 2023, 07:29:12 PMi am starting to think we'll get the order paired with maybe the first and second series of armoured gideon at this point
How many pages of The Order are left to reprint? If Armoured Gideon is reprinted in full, it would take an entire volume (albeit a thinnish one, in the low 200s).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 October, 2023, 10:15:50 AM
Quote from: castle4 on 19 October, 2023, 09:35:00 AMThinking about it, if DD is coming, does that make MACH1 the only story not collected from the first Progs?

Yeah we'd have everything from Prog 1 except MACH1 if we get Dan Dare. We're missing a few of the Dredd's from this era so it varies between 60-80% of progs 2-23 depending on whether the Dredd story made it into either the UC or the MC. Numbers drop off a bit after that as Future Shocks and other one offs start to be a more regular occurrence.

I believe our first complete prog is 86.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 October, 2023, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: Le Fink on 18 October, 2023, 01:18:41 PMI'd like to see the final Defoe in that Mills book (in preference to Tin Man if it comes to it)

Good shout - I'd also prefer the final Defoe tbh. Tin Man was a bit meh even if the art was great.

I also grabbed the paperback of SSR so wouldn't be disappointed if that doesn't get included but it does feel like an obvious choice.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Link Prime on 19 October, 2023, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 September, 2023, 12:27:05 PM
QuoteCounterfeit Girl! Shadows, Bix Barton and Tribal Memories.
WUT? That's the hallowed 'rest of Milligan' book I was hoping for, bar (alas) Freaks. I had no idea this was coming. Here's hoping FPI has a copy...


Actually really disappointed by that - was hoping for a pure Bix edition.
Worth it for the Jim McCarthy factor alone.

Darnation.


Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Marbles on 19 October, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
One day (when I retire) I'm going to teach myself how to design and print my own dust jackets. On that glorious day I will hoover up a large number of these collections. But until then my OCD will not allow the random spines on my bookshelf  :(

Actually I bet Rebellion could make a small fortune selling the dust jackets separately  :lol:
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 19 October, 2023, 11:44:50 AM
Quote from: sintec on 18 October, 2023, 12:38:52 PMMy guesses/wish list for the other 6:

Brink - I think the last series was long enough to fill a volume on it's own but might be mistaken

It was a lot of episodes but possibly not enough - 26 maybe?
As much as I hugely enjoyed the first four books, I found this one a bit tedious. Too many talking heads going over the same stuff! No Bridget!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 October, 2023, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: Le Fink on 19 October, 2023, 11:44:50 AMIt was a lot of episodes but possibly not enough - 26 maybe?
As much as I hugely enjoyed the first four books, I found this one a bit tedious. Too many talking heads going over the same stuff! No Bridget!

Assuming 6 pages an episode that'd be 156 pages of strip. We've had a handful of books around that length (or shorter) in the UC so not out of the question. Shortest was Slaine - Book Of Scars which was ~110, the Brutania Chronicles books and the 3rd Red Seas volumes were also all less than 160.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 19 October, 2023, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: Marbles on 19 October, 2023, 11:06:12 AMOne day (when I retire) I'm going to teach myself how to design and print my own dust jackets. On that glorious day I will hoover up a large number of these collections. But until then my OCD will not allow the random spines on my bookshelf  :(

Actually I bet Rebellion could make a small fortune selling the dust jackets separately  :lol:
I would like to take the extension volumes that have continued a run in the original collection and move them to be next to the earlier volumes. Even worse for the OCD! And as has been mentioned it would be very handy if each book had a label on the spine. Having all that and keeping Boo's spine artwork (I.e. on the jackets) would not be easy though.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 19 October, 2023, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: sintec on 18 October, 2023, 12:38:52 PMThink these all either appear on the spine or have been confirmed at some stage.

  • Lawless * 2

Sorry, another question. Lawless * 2? How many series have we had? The first 3 were in the JD collection - are we expecting those to be reprinted?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 19 October, 2023, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: Le Fink on 19 October, 2023, 01:01:10 PMSorry, another question. Lawless * 2? How many series have we had? The first 3 were in the JD collection - are we expecting those to be reprinted?

I'm hoping they don't reprint the UC ones but nothing has been confirmed. With info sourced from Funt Solo's excellent website (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/Lawless/data.html) there have been 6 series since the 3 collected in the UC. And it looks like they'd split fairly nicely into 2 books of just over 200 strip pages each.

Book 1 (well 2 really given the UC volume)

Book 2
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 October, 2023, 01:59:57 PM
Unless the remit has changed, there should be no overlap between the the JDMC and the UC. (I recall one strip was repeated, but in error.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 19 October, 2023, 02:15:45 PM
I don't see how including Lawless works, unless they package it with a reprint of the Mega Collection volume. Nice reward for subscribers who've been with it this long.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 October, 2023, 02:18:24 PM
They continued Devlin in the UC, so it's not like this would be without precedent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 20 October, 2023, 12:31:15 PM
Feel like posting this in the "Best / Worst Strip Endings" thread, but I've just finished reading the Inferno volume. It ends after some crazed (poor) plotting, in the grimmest way, and the heaviest defeat. What a downer! Tharg himself appears in the episode to rush us through a couple of deaths. It's like someone said 'bury it' and the writer took it literally. I found the cliffhanger where Giant was doused with fuel pretty shocking, and I'm not surprised if the strip caused controversy at the time. The treatment of Cindy, yikes. Am I right in thinking the artist has drawn himself in the crowd, egging the action on? What a bizarre strip!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 21 October, 2023, 07:35:36 AM
Quote from: sintec on 18 October, 2023, 12:38:52 PM
  • Dredd - although what I'm not sure
We've not had any Ken Niemand. Noam Chimpsky, Megatropolis and A Penitent Man.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 21 October, 2023, 06:39:18 PM
The Milligan book has arrived, and a very nice package it is too. I went straight to Shadows to see if it is as good as I remember and raced through it. For me, it's great. Personally I really like Elson's art here, although the intro and back matter imply he has, until more recently, disowned it a bit. It's good Richard! The Bix stories are 'Barton's Beasts' - the first one? With some very nice black and white Jim McCarthy art, and 'Carry on Barton', in slightly ropey colour. I've not read Counterfeit Girl yet but it looks fantastic. The Tribal memories I read at the time and thought it was pretty good. Some chat with Pete Milligan, Jim McCarthy and Richard Elson in the back, all interesting stuff. So an essential buy for me... shame there's no Freaks though (or did this get published in another volume?).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 21 October, 2023, 07:09:23 PM
It wasn't, but The Dead is in volume 134 (issue 126) (with Revere).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 October, 2023, 08:01:20 PM
Shame about those Biz picks. The Carry On one is poor and dated. Oh well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 26 October, 2023, 02:31:56 PM
I am one of the few who like bix but i kinda agree that maybe we should have had freaks instead
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JudgeFridericus on 26 October, 2023, 09:32:04 PM
Hello everyone. I started this collection late and I'm wondering if it's possible to collected the full runs of the main 2000AD strips (Dredd aside) through this collection. I am thinking of the stories like Strontium Dog, Slaine, ABC Warriors etc. I have to ask because I know 'The Hit' was excluded from the Rogue Trooper volumes and I had to 'double-dip' with the Tales of Nu-Earth publications. Is the same the case with other story lines for the main characters?

I thought I'd ask here because I assume there are some of you who have read the collection from the beginning.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 27 October, 2023, 08:19:27 AM
Quote from: JudgeFridericus on 26 October, 2023, 09:32:04 PMI'm wondering if it's possible to collected the full runs of the main 2000AD strips (Dredd aside) through this collection. I am thinking of the stories like Strontium Dog, Slaine, ABC Warriors etc. I have to ask because I know 'The Hit' was excluded from the Rogue Trooper volumes and I had to 'double-dip' with the Tales of Nu-Earth publications. Is the same the case with other story lines for the main characters?

I thought I'd ask here because I assume there are some of you who have read the collection from the beginning.
Welcome to the board. The collection has a complete run of Slaine, a very nearly complete run of ABC warriors (just the rojaws deadlock story missing), Strontium dog is nearly complete (missing the starlord stories and "A sorry case") but note you need to get the first strontium dogs volume for that.

For other key stories it is mostly complete but it is missing a lot of the lesser "reboots" like Mark Millars Robo hunter and most of the Rogue trooper "friday" stories. Check the wikipedia page for the collection for a listing of the contents.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 October, 2023, 11:20:57 AM
Beyond the above, Nikolai Dante is complete bar (IIRC) one fill-in single published way later in a special. Red Seas is complete.

With the Strontium Dog Starlord strips being omitted and Rebellion's HC being OOP, I half wonder whether we might get that in these final books before the series ends. 

EDIT: Looks like the Starlord strips HC is available again. I'd not spotted that. Regardless, it wouldn't be the worst thing to get those strips into the UC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 27 October, 2023, 01:53:36 PM
Seems early (even for me), but just received the next two Hatchette volumes, 161 Button Man vol 2 and 162 Flesh, which are Spine 166 and 152 respectively.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 27 October, 2023, 03:13:49 PM
Hackenbush - Which was the Ro-jaws/Deadlock story? I can't seem to place it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 27 October, 2023, 04:07:10 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 27 October, 2023, 03:13:49 PMHackenbush - Which was the Ro-jaws/Deadlock story? I can't seem to place it.

Perhaps he meant Ro-Jaws/Pineapples, as in Tin Man?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 27 October, 2023, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 27 October, 2023, 01:53:36 PMSeems early (even for me), but just received the next two Hatchette volumes, 161 Button Man vol 2 and 162 Flesh, which are Spine 166 and 152 respectively.

Can you say please what're the contents for Flesh Vol 2?

I've not heard the best things for more recent Flesh, but the old TPB ended with a cliffhanger so might cherry-pick this volume to finish the story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 28 October, 2023, 02:19:48 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 27 October, 2023, 04:07:10 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 27 October, 2023, 03:13:49 PMHackenbush - Which was the Ro-jaws/Deadlock story? I can't seem to place it.

Perhaps he meant Ro-Jaws/Pineapples, as in Tin Man?

whoops yes that is what I meant - I don't read the current progs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 28 October, 2023, 02:25:38 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 October, 2023, 11:20:57 AMBeyond the above, Nikolai Dante is complete bar (IIRC) one fill-in single published way later in a special. Red Seas is complete.

With the Strontium Dog Starlord strips being omitted and Rebellion's HC being OOP, I half wonder whether we might get that in these final books before the series ends. 

Strontium dog leftovers volume featuring
Starlord strips
A sorry case
Tales from the doghouse
The one or two missing annual/special stories not drawn by Carlos ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 28 October, 2023, 09:54:23 AM
Contents of 162 Flesh as requested:

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 28 October, 2023, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 28 October, 2023, 09:54:23 AMContents of 162 Flesh as requested:

Brilliant thanks!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 28 October, 2023, 02:25:37 PM
That brings Flesh up to date.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JudgeFridericus on 29 October, 2023, 07:46:17 PM
Quote from: Hackenbush on 27 October, 2023, 08:19:27 AM
Quote from: JudgeFridericus on 26 October, 2023, 09:32:04 PMI'm wondering if it's possible to collected the full runs of the main 2000AD strips (Dredd aside) through this collection. I am thinking of the stories like Strontium Dog, Slaine, ABC Warriors etc. I have to ask because I know 'The Hit' was excluded from the Rogue Trooper volumes and I had to 'double-dip' with the Tales of Nu-Earth publications. Is the same the case with other story lines for the main characters?

I thought I'd ask here because I assume there are some of you who have read the collection from the beginning.
Welcome to the board. The collection has a complete run of Slaine, a very nearly complete run of ABC warriors (just the rojaws deadlock story missing), Strontium dog is nearly complete (missing the starlord stories and "A sorry case") but note you need to get the first strontium dogs volume for that.

For other key stories it is mostly complete but it is missing a lot of the lesser "reboots" like Mark Millars Robo hunter and most of the Rogue trooper "friday" stories. Check the wikipedia page for the collection for a listing of the contents.

Thank you for the welcome. That is really helpful. And that is better than I expected for completeness. I am aware of the Wikipedia page but it is hard to know from the listings what is missing if I've never read the stories myself. With regard to the Friday stories it looks like it's the same content as the standard graphic novel so I assume you mean there are unrepublished out there as well.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 09 November, 2023, 04:03:13 PM
Scarlet Traces Vol 1 - vol 174

Proteus Vex - vol 159

Survival Geeks - vol 151

Have all been put up on the Hachette page.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 09 November, 2023, 04:52:21 PM
Wonder how many of the four 'Proteus Vex' story arcs we will get?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 09 November, 2023, 04:59:15 PM
Very happy to see Survival Geeks make the list. Will be a fun volume
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Qwertyburger on 09 November, 2023, 05:12:54 PM
How many pages do all four volumes of Proteus Vex come to? It would be nice to have all of it that has been in the prog, but is that going to be too many pages?

I'm really happy to see a Survival Geeks volume, be fun to read it all in one chunk.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 November, 2023, 05:26:40 PM
Hmm. I'm heading into odd territory now. I have the Proteus Vex trade, and so figure I may as well stick with that, since we won't get more in this series. But Button Man is finite, and so should I swap out Get Harry Ex and Hitman's Daughter? Scarlet Traces... argh. I love my DH HCs, but would like to have more of the series collected...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 09 November, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: Qwertyburger on 09 November, 2023, 05:12:54 PMHow many pages do all four volumes of Proteus Vex come to?

There are by-the-book page counts for series on my A-Z: Proteus Vex (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/ProteusVex/data.html)

But it's 250, for Vex.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 09 November, 2023, 06:59:43 PM
I was in the same position as IndigoPrime regarding 'Button Man', but ultimately felt that hardcovers top trade paperbacks every time and upgraded my copies (the trades are now going to a charity shop). Concerning 'Proteus Vex', even if we don't get everything published up to this point, it will still feature a lot more than the single story arc which is featured in the lone trade - so, at £10.99 a pop, this is also a no-brainer for me.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 09 November, 2023, 08:06:35 PM
Seems funny we've not had a Dan Dare yet seeing as it would take up 3 volumes?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 November, 2023, 10:43:25 PM
Max: I think for me at this stage, I'm not sure I want things that will be collected in different formats. Which is very particular and probably why I end up rebuying so much. Sigh. (I have all the Lawless trades now, since I reasoned it's an ongoing that won't wrap up in the UC. Vex... we will get more than the trade but this is an ongoing too. Mind you, I also bought the last Kingdom trade to 'complete' that and it of course showed up in the UC, so...)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 10 November, 2023, 12:43:29 AM
I was really hoping for survival geeks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 10 November, 2023, 02:24:28 PM

141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 - Dredd: End of Days
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 - Age of the Wolf
150 - Counterfeit Girl
151 - Survival Geeks
152 - Flesh Midnight Cowboy
153 - Return to Armageddon
154 - Mean Team
155 - 13 & Carver Hale
156 - Snow/Tiger
157 - Kingdom (and Shako)
158 - Damnation Station
159 - Proteus Vex
160 -
161 - Al's Baby
162 - Mazeworld
163 - Zenith volume I
164 - Zenith volume 2
165 - Buttonman I
166 - Buttonman II
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 - Atavar
174 - Scarlet Traces
175 -
176 -
177 -
178 - Dredd: Machine Law
179 - Dredd & Anderson
180
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 10 November, 2023, 02:28:46 PM
How many more of these can be filled in? (U assume 175 will be the other half of Scarlet Traces, say.) Are there any gaps at all now?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 10 November, 2023, 02:46:28 PM
Also confirmed; Armoured Gideon,Lawless, Kingmaker, Durham Red.Hinted at but not confirmed Dan Dare.

Seems funny this is already coming to a conclusion again.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 10 November, 2023, 03:23:40 PM
Not forgetting Harry 20 on the High Rock, perhaps in a collection of prison-based series?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 10 November, 2023, 07:35:38 PM
Doe anyone know how many different story arcs of 'Kingmaker' we have had so far? (Just wondering if when the Ultimate Collection volume comes out it will feature everything?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 12 November, 2023, 07:33:30 PM
According to Ian Edginton there will be three volumes of Scarlet Traces in this collection.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 November, 2023, 07:39:54 PM
Presumably two per volume, then, which would suggest the first is WOTW and Scarlet Traces? Does this map with the Rebellion trades?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 12 November, 2023, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 November, 2023, 07:39:54 PMPresumably two per volume, then, which would suggest the first is WOTW and Scarlet Traces? Does this map with the Rebellion trades?

It does map, gotta say they would feel a little light on page count though. Particularly the third book. I don't know when the next story is out, but I know from Ian it's a twenty parter. So I don't THINK it will figure in the hachette collection, time wise.

Hmm.. maybe joined with the new helium?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2023, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: OrnateColt on 12 November, 2023, 07:33:30 PMAccording to Ian Edginton there will be three volumes of Scarlet Traces in this collection.

As that's from the horses' mouth, as it were, it seems safe to take it on trust.

141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 - Dredd: End of Days
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 - Age of the Wolf
150 - Counterfeit Girl
151 - Survival Geeks
152 - Flesh Midnight Cowboy
153 - Return to Armageddon
154 - Mean Team
155 - 13 & Carver Hale
156 - Snow/Tiger
157 - Kingdom (and Shako)
158 - Damnation Station
159 - Proteus Vex
160 -
161 - Al's Baby
162 - Mazeworld
163 - Zenith volume I
164 - Zenith volume 2
165 - Buttonman I
166 - Buttonman II
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 - Atavar
174 - Scarlet Traces 1
175 - Scarlet Traces 2
176 - Scarlet Traces 3
177 -
178 - Dredd: Machine Law
179 - Dredd & Anderson
180 -

13 gaps left then, with at least four that can be filled (Armoured Gideon, Lawless, Kingmaker, and Durham Red) to give us only 11. If Dan Dare makes the cut (we still don't know) I suspect it'll need 2 volumes, so that's a mere 9 unknowns left!

There's still a lot of good Dredd to collect - you could have several Niemand volumes, for starters. What else? Thistlebone? Feral and Foe? The Out? (Whisper it - Skip Tracer?) I'd personally love a book of 3rillers.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 13school on 21 November, 2023, 11:48:37 AM
According to a post I can't currently find on FB, supposedly there's a volume coming up (I think #173) that'll collect the remaining Dark Justice stories
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: OrnateColt on 21 November, 2023, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2023, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: OrnateColt on 12 November, 2023, 07:33:30 PMAccording to Ian Edginton there will be three volumes of Scarlet Traces in this collection.

As that's from the horses' mouth, as it were, it seems safe to take it on trust.

141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 - Dredd: End of Days
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 - Age of the Wolf
150 - Counterfeit Girl
151 - Survival Geeks
152 - Flesh Midnight Cowboy
153 - Return to Armageddon
154 - Mean Team
155 - 13 & Carver Hale
156 - Snow/Tiger
157 - Kingdom (and Shako)
158 - Damnation Station
159 - Proteus Vex
160 -
161 - Al's Baby
162 - Mazeworld
163 - Zenith volume I
164 - Zenith volume 2
165 - Buttonman I
166 - Buttonman II
167 -
168 -
169 -
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 - Atavar
174 - Scarlet Traces 1
175 - Scarlet Traces 2
176 - Scarlet Traces 3
177 -
178 - Dredd: Machine Law
179 - Dredd & Anderson
180 -

13 gaps left then, with at least four that can be filled (Armoured Gideon, Lawless, Kingmaker, and Durham Red) to give us only 11. If Dan Dare makes the cut (we still don't know) I suspect it'll need 2 volumes, so that's a mere 9 unknowns left!

There's still a lot of good Dredd to collect - you could have several Niemand volumes, for starters. What else? Thistlebone? Feral and Foe? The Out? (Whisper it - Skip Tracer?) I'd personally love a book of 3rillers.

We know stainless steel rat as it's on the spine?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2023, 11:17:35 AM13 gaps left then, with at least four that can be filled (Armoured Gideon, Lawless, Kingmaker, and Durham Red) to give us only 11. If Dan Dare makes the cut (we still don't know) I suspect it'll need 2 volumes, so that's a mere 9 unknowns left!

Just read that back, and my maths is poor!  :lol: In my defence, I have a two-month old baby!

9 gaps, 7 if you include two Dare volumes. Only 5 with Stainless Steel Rat and the Dark Judges!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 21 November, 2023, 12:24:36 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 November, 2023, 11:17:35 AM13 gaps left then, with at least four that can be filled (Armoured Gideon, Lawless, Kingmaker, and Durham Red) to give us only 11. If Dan Dare makes the cut (we still don't know) I suspect it'll need 2 volumes, so that's a mere 9 unknowns left!

Just read that back, and my maths is poor!  :lol: In my defence, I have a two-month old baby!

9 gaps, 7 if you include two Dare volumes. Only 5 with Stainless Steel Rat and the Dark Judges!
A final Pat Mills volume in slot 142 I'm hoping.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 November, 2023, 12:30:23 PM
It'll be criminal if we don't get the rest of The Order, given that it's finite and complete.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 21 November, 2023, 09:49:27 PM
Just scouring the cover art again, where is Stainless Steel Rat? I would be delighted if it was included, just don't recognise anything that might be Slippy Jim related. Harry 20, with visible High Rock can be added to the list.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 22 November, 2023, 04:54:11 AM
how much of the order do we still have? the first one reprinted a huge chunk of it
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2023, 08:04:12 AM
Two books, maybe? Dunno. Regardless, I'm sure Matt would be able to find something as a backup, like he did with Kingdom/Shako. (Hmm. Now I wonder about whether we might see Armoured Gideon as a backup strip for The Order, which would be logical. Or whether AG will get its own book.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 22 November, 2023, 02:23:40 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 22 November, 2023, 04:54:11 AMhow much of the order do we still have? the first one reprinted a huge chunk of it

'The Order' still has the following unprinted:

'Inbetween Days' - Prog 2182
'Land of the Free' - Progs 2184-2195
'Fantastic Voyage' - Progs 2262-2272
'Hearts of Darkness' - progs 2317-2329

I think the above should be okay to facilitate another book. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2023, 02:40:00 PM
So that's got to be around 200 pages or so, right? There have been thinner books in this collection. The Order kind of lost me towards the end, but I'm convinced it'd work better collected (rather like Red Seas). Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 22 November, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
Dan Dare wouldn't exactly be 2000AD putting its best foot forward. I hope they do something else.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 November, 2023, 08:17:03 PM
I guess with Dare they have all the repro, although it would presumably require deals with and sharing money with the Dan Dare Corp.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 22 November, 2023, 09:49:50 PM
They've reprinted far worse things in this so called Ultimate Collection, Mercy Heights for one
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 22 November, 2023, 10:02:09 PM
I'm working through the big hardback 2000ad Dan Dare volumes at the moment, while listening to the early Space Spinner podcasts. When GFD and Gibbons take over I find it's actually... not bad! Or "not complete crap" per Space Spinner. But yeah the first couple of series are poor. It's still fun reading then listening to the podcast.

Returning to the subject though, I'd rather see the more recent stuff collected too. Chimpsky would be good!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 27 November, 2023, 12:44:44 PM
Just sat in my living room and heard a noise in the porch, and as I approached saw in slow motion my latest Hatchette delivery drop 2 feet from the letterbox to the laminate floor. Considering how wet and weak the cardboard was, genuinely surprised my books weren't damaged. Issue 163 Scarlet Traces vol 1) and 164 (Proteus Vex) are out in the wild.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 November, 2023, 01:08:20 PM
It'll be interesting to hear what they contain. Is Scarlet Traces War of the Worlds and Scarlet Traces, or does it omit the former? And how does Proteus Vex compare to the trade (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB728/proteus-vex-another-dawn) (which compiled Another Dawn)?

Mind you, since Vex is an ongoing, and I ideally like keeping formats relatively consistent, I think I might wait for more paperbacks there anyway.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 27 November, 2023, 08:32:20 PM
I'm losing enthusiasm for the collection, I would have cancelled if it wasn't so close to the end.  The thing is, there are so many I have that I probably won't read again and I'm wondering whether to sell them or hang onto them.  The completionist in me says keep, but the practical, money short side of me says sell what I don't want.  The thing is, what I'd get probably isn't worth it...not unless I charge Oxfam prices which are silly :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 November, 2023, 10:26:46 PM
Depends. Some volumes already go for silly money. Others might sell in runs (such as complete Nikolai Dante). That said, my experience with partworks is it's tricky to get back what you paid (unlike with eg deluxe edition Image books, say).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: leethomson on 28 November, 2023, 09:49:58 AM
The completest in me feels your pain. I'm also looking forward to things ending. I've got no complaint with the quality of this most recent extension (for the most part), the problem is that I already have a lot of the newest stuff in trades which kills some of the enthusiasm. At least my brother benefits from the hand me downs!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 28 November, 2023, 07:27:07 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 November, 2023, 10:26:46 PMDepends. Some volumes already go for silly money. Others might sell in runs (such as complete Nikolai Dante). That said, my experience with partworks is it's tricky to get back what you paid (unlike with eg deluxe edition Image books, say).

Strangely enough the Nikolai Dante run is one I wouldn't give up, I had never read a piece of it till the collection.  Slaine, I couldn't really care about and there were some parts that were one or two books I wasn't mad about like Mercy Heights.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 29 November, 2023, 01:36:09 PM
Nick Percival has posted that Dark Judges: Deliverance & Death Metal Planet will be released in the collection
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: don wiskerando on 30 November, 2023, 08:00:55 AM
Death Metal Planet shouldn't even have been released in the Megazine.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 November, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
I imagine it's an easy piece of repro. All digital. All ready. Fairly unlikely to end up in a Rebellion trade, but scratches an itch for folks who want a collected edition. I'm not a fan of that particular strip myself, but I see the logic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 December, 2023, 12:30:39 AM
Picked up the lastest Flesh.  Still missing the second Harlem Heroes.  I know Inferno is divisive, but I have the phonebook edition and if I get it on hardback I could give the book to a friend.  I hope I can get it.

I'm looking forward to Flesh, and I had enjoyed both volumes of Button Man, a simple concept, but quite enjoyable and engaging
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 04 December, 2023, 09:08:13 AM
I found a bunch of old 2000ads in the loft earlier this year and it happened to contain the run containing Purgatory/Inferno which I eagerly re-read as I remembered quite enjoying them at the time.

Maybe the week break between episodes did it some favours, but it is dreadful all at once. I mean truly, truly appalling storytelling. Even Carlos' artwork gets boring with all these super-jacked judges roaming around.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 December, 2023, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: moly on 29 November, 2023, 01:36:09 PMNick Percival has posted that Dark Judges: Deliverance & Death Metal Planet will be released in the collection
Quote from: don wiskerando on 30 November, 2023, 08:00:55 AMDeath Metal Planet shouldn't even have been released in the Megazine.

:lol:

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 04 December, 2023, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 04 December, 2023, 09:08:13 AMI found a bunch of old 2000ads in the loft earlier this year and it happened to contain the run containing Purgatory/Inferno ...

...truly, truly appalling storytelling. Even Carlos' artwork gets boring with all these super-jacked judges roaming around.
This is why I don't go up to my own attic. Who knows what's up there, forgotten?
A mad wife, locked away years ago, wouldn't be as bad as a complete run of Purgatory/Inferno.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 04 December, 2023, 04:54:17 PM
Does Harlem Heroes Vol 2 have anything that wasn't in the phonebook edition?  My Smiths still doesnt have it in and I'm getting a little anxious
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 04 December, 2023, 05:56:31 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 04 December, 2023, 04:54:17 PMDoes Harlem Heroes Vol 2 have anything that wasn't in the phonebook edition?  My Smiths still doesnt have it in and I'm getting a little anxious
It says in the front of volume 2 progs 42-75. It's a pretty thin volume.
The back-matter doesn't cover any of the content - it talks about later stories based on or influenced by Harlem Heroes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 04 December, 2023, 06:16:26 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 03 December, 2023, 12:30:39 AM... Button Man, a simple concept, but quite enjoyable and engaging
It's helped along by the art, which is so good too. it's fairly contemporary story-wise and I think Ranson's photo-realistic style really fits.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 04 December, 2023, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: JohnW on 04 December, 2023, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 04 December, 2023, 09:08:13 AMI found a bunch of old 2000ads in the loft earlier this year and it happened to contain the run containing Purgatory/Inferno ...

...truly, truly appalling storytelling. Even Carlos' artwork gets boring with all these super-jacked judges roaming around.
This is why I don't go up to my own attic. Who knows what's up there, forgotten?
A mad wife, locked away years ago, wouldn't be as bad as a complete run of Purgatory/Inferno.

And what if the mad wife (now bearded) then read Purgatory/Inferno, and was inspired, and then - as part of a revenge plot - escaped from the attic and toppled your Judge Dredd miniature, which then smashed an enormous breach in next door's garage? What then? Eh?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JohnW on 04 December, 2023, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 04 December, 2023, 06:49:48 PMWhat then? Eh?
Easy.
I'd fell her with a single punch, and then settle down with my, like, trendy young shaven-headed psychic girlfriend.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Vector14 on 04 December, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
I've heard so much about how terrible Purgatory/Inferno is that I'm quite curious to read it.

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 04 December, 2023, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: Vector14 on 04 December, 2023, 09:06:42 PMI've heard so much about how terrible Purgatory/Inferno is that I'm quite curious to read it.

It's like the Dreddverse had an irony-bypass, mainlined testosterone and decided that "thuggish" was a desirable character trait. Seek ye subtlety elsewhere. (Tis Ezquerra, though. Makes things look good, even if the characters are surviving lava through the power of sheer rage. RAGE!!!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 05 December, 2023, 05:02:12 AM
The thing that always got me about purgatory, was there was a misprint that swapped pages around in one of the later episodes and I don't remember anyone complaining about it.

Thus far I don't think the 2000 AD Ultimate collection has printed a single page written by Mark Millar. Do you think we'll make it all the way through?

(purgatory and inferno are in issue 38 of the dredd mega collection for those curious)

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2023, 09:24:15 AM
I'm trying to think what would be worth printing in the UC. Drawing a blank. The only thing I can see on Barney that I recall being really good in my book was Long Distance Calls, which is six whole pages. I know folks are fond of Canon Fodder and Silo, but they would both be waaaaaay down my list. And I imagine at this point in the collection, big names are going to be fundamentally meaningless compared to things readers properly want on their shelves. (For example, are 2000 AD fans collecting these volumes more likely to want the rest of The Order – for which the repro is already sorted – or would Cannon Fodder combined with another 100–150 pages to fill a book out sell more copies to offset the extra work?)

Quote(purgatory and inferno are in issue 38 of the dredd mega collection for those curious)
Although if you haven't read it and don't own it, don't be curious. Just pretend it doesn't exist. Those strips have no redeeming features outside of some quite good Ezquerra art. Everything else about them is garbage.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 December, 2023, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2023, 09:24:15 AM(For example, are 2000 AD fans collecting these volumes more likely to want the rest of The Order – for which the repro is already sorted – or would Cannon Fodder combined with another 100–150 pages to fill a book out sell more copies to offset the extra work?)


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god as much as it hurts me to say being a canon fodder apologist....i would rather have the order finished
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 05 December, 2023, 04:45:14 PM
I think Ezquerra did his best fully-painted, not-done-on-a-computer art on Inferno. It's such a shame that it was wasted on a terrible story.

That was Grant Morrison, mind. I can't think of much of Mark Millar's 2000AD work that I like. I do quite like Silo, but it has a scene which is too obviously ripped off from Die Hard for it to be reprinted anywhere, unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 05 December, 2023, 05:12:35 PM
Seemed to remember liking Maniac 5. Or at least finding it semi-interesting.

Or maybe it was Yeowell's artwork.

https://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/a-good-year-for-bastards-book-three-part-53-morrison-and-millars-judge-dredd-maniac-5
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2023, 05:47:09 PM
I suspect Maniac 5 wouldn't do well in a re-read. I remember it being better than the rest of the Morrison/Millar shit in the so-called Summer Offensive.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 05 December, 2023, 06:48:22 PM
I didn't enjoy the character design for Maniac 5. On the one had, a robot - on the other hand, drawn quite biologically - with a stretchy mouth and so on. It was more like Rambo had painted himself silver. I recall also disliking Soul Gun Warrior, from the same era - mostly because it seemed anachronistic. The perhaps irony is that Soul Gun Warrior has enough depth that I can now recognize its timeless quality. Time hasn't improved things for Maniac 5.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Vector14 on 05 December, 2023, 07:10:58 PM
I read some of the second Maniac 5 story recently after I picked up a random pile of old progs.

In the link Bad Andy posted above, Millar seems to think he's written some ultraviolent all action thrill ride but its just incredibly boring.

I skipped over it after 2 or 3 issues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 05 December, 2023, 08:50:47 PM
As an unhealthily-obsessive Dreddverse completionist, I keep looking at the remaining unknown UC vols hoping they'll have material that's never been, and unlikely to be, collected physically. Though, the rational part of me says there may be a good reason why certain stories have never been collected by this point...

I think I mentioned some time back about the 90s Hershey stories being uncollected.

There's a bunch of DeMarco episodes too, besides those included in the Mega Collection Simping Detective book. I've no idea whether they were well received on release?

Tales from the Black Museum has been released digital-only, and there's a lot there beyond the contents of the MC volume.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 05 December, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
Igor Goldkind and Kevin Cullen did two decent Judge Hershey stories. The other Hershey stories were rubbish.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 05 December, 2023, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: Lawman of the Present on 05 December, 2023, 08:50:47 PMAs an unhealthily-obsessive Dreddverse completionist, I keep looking at the remaining unknown UC vols hoping they'll have material that's never been, and unlikely to be, collected physically. Though, the rational part of me says there may be a good reason why certain stories have never been collected by this point...

I think I mentioned some time back about the 90s Hershey stories being uncollected.

There's a bunch of DeMarco episodes too, besides those included in the Mega Collection Simping Detective book. I've no idea whether they were well received on release?

Tales from the Black Museum has been released digital-only, and there's a lot there beyond the contents of the MC volume.

If you go older theres the Black Atlantic/Captain Skank stories as well.  That should have provided a nice little tie in to Apocalypse War.

Read Flesh volume 2.  I enjoyed it, but what happened with Carver and his daughter seems to have been left ambiguous.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 05 December, 2023, 10:58:21 PM
Quote from: Lawman of the Present on 05 December, 2023, 08:50:47 PMThere's a bunch of DeMarco episodes too, besides those included in the Mega Collection Simping Detective book. I've no idea whether they were well received on release?

Looking at my listing (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/DeMarcoPI/data.html), I'd suggest that the Robbie Morrison ones (2000-2002) are interesting, but not vital. She has a gorilla-butler sidekick in those ones. They do have the advantage of giving her a character beyond "young Judge fancies Dredd".

I wasn't terribly enamoured by the Carroll stories (2013-2016) because one of the difficulties with the character as a premise is that they are usually in situations that would get other folk cubed, and so we keep having to retread the "normally, you'd get locked up for this, you naughty scamp" stuff. Points for trying to do something with Mega-City Two (aka SovSec), but perhaps too many special monsters. Pretty sure the baddy ends up being Blofeld, as well.

File all of DeMarco PI under "I wish this was working better than it is".
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2023, 11:26:25 PM
And yet all of that beats making her eye candy girlfriend for Jack Point, or whatever his name was.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 06 December, 2023, 10:15:41 PM
I've always felt DeMarco's solo series
should have been better, because she was quite a compelling character in The Pit and her other early appearances. I didn't love her being mega-wealthy, or her gorilla manservant. She lost the element of being an essentially good person who is drawn to things that aren't good for her, or who makes bad choices at times, and became a bit bland as a result. Ideally by now she'd have years worth of history and a load of interesting supporting characters and have had some character development. Happy to give the latest series a go in the Meg though.

Agreed that all the solo stuff was better than the way she was treated in the Simping Detective.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 08 December, 2023, 01:37:57 AM
I've got a big backlog of at least a dozen books to read.  I just haven't had the enthusiasm for general reading lately due to personal and health issues.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 December, 2023, 12:47:59 AM
so is the scarlet traces book the first time in the partworks that has reprinted stuff that was never in 2000ad or the megazine?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Hackenbush on 09 December, 2023, 01:30:21 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 09 December, 2023, 12:47:59 AMso is the scarlet traces book the first time in the partworks that has reprinted stuff that was never in 2000ad or the megazine?
Blackhawk had the Tornado stories
Ro-busters had the Starlord stories
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 December, 2023, 01:06:48 PM
It's a pity the series didn't come to this conclusion earlier. Omitting the Starlord Stront stories was an odd decision.

So Scarlet 1 is WOTW and Scarlet Traces?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 09 December, 2023, 04:58:34 PM
wotw scarlet traces and i think the great games there too i am still reading it so don't quote me on that last one but theres still a lot of book left and i just reached scarlet traces
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Michael Knight on 10 December, 2023, 04:31:32 PM
Hi folks. Whilst losing track of the ultimate collection issues during a long illness, I've just realised whilst placing collection together on shelf that I'm missing spine number Volume #139 (hence I cannot see Devlin waughs face on spine).
I'd really appreciate if anyone could tell me if there was a printing misshap or I missed a replacement issue etc.
I've got sinister dexter//volume five (volume 138) and sinister dexter//volume 7 (volume 140). I defo appear to be missing volume 139.
thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 11 December, 2023, 09:41:25 PM

That's issue 134 you might find a copy for sale on Ebay.

Quote from: Michael Knight on 10 December, 2023, 04:31:32 PMHi folks. Whilst losing track of the ultimate collection issues during a long illness, I've just realised whilst placing collection together on shelf that I'm missing spine number Volume #139 (hence I cannot see Devlin waughs face on spine).
I'd really appreciate if anyone could tell me if there was a printing misshap or I missed a replacement issue etc.
I've got sinister dexter//volume five (volume 138) and sinister dexter//volume 7 (volume 140). I defo appear to be missing volume 139.
thanks
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 12 December, 2023, 02:51:49 PM
While not quite the Ultimate Collection, I've just re-read the Mega Collection's two Day of Chaos books.

Left me feeling a bit empty if I'm honest. Maybe they read better as a slow burn, but as a collection I was left a bit 'so what'.

Perhaps COVID has also desensitised me to these stories as the bug was pretty prescient in the end. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 13 December, 2023, 05:09:01 PM
Well it's official. The collection is getting a final extension to bring it up to 200 volunes, Dan Dare and The Order Vol 2 now confirmed.

https://x.com/2000ad/status/1734981644170273111?s=46&t=DO3veKcNS_yqWXGzroeQ9Q
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 13 December, 2023, 05:39:26 PM
So another 20 volume o fill maybe some more recent stuff
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 December, 2023, 05:49:34 PM
Sounds like good stuff, but honestly...ANOTHER 20 books.  Let this be the end please
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 December, 2023, 06:09:33 PM
Ahahahahaha. It never ends. It'll be like Marvel, going on for years and years. :D

You know what, though: isn't it bloody amazing that not only could the Dredd collection sustain 90 books, but 2000 AD could sustain *200*? That's a hefty partwork, and the only reason these things continue is because they're viable. Otherwise it would have shut up shop at any one of the jumping-off points.

So: great news. I'm not collecting every issue now, but I'll almost certainly be grabbing several more before this thing ends. And I'm stoked at The Order being included, to finish out that run. Fantastic.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 13 December, 2023, 06:15:18 PM
Really pleased 'The Order' is going to be finished and genuinely curious to see what else will fill the last twenty books. Would a volume featuring the completion of 'Bad Company' be totally out of the question?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 13 December, 2023, 06:19:27 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 December, 2023, 06:09:33 PMAhahahahaha. It never ends. It'll be like Marvel, going on for years and years. :D

You know what, though: isn't it bloody amazing that not only could the Dredd collection sustain 90 books, but 2000 AD could sustain *200*? That's a hefty partwork, and the only reason these things continue is because they're viable. Otherwise it would have shut up shop at any one of the jumping-off points.

So: great news. I'm not collecting every issue now, but I'll almost certainly be grabbing several more before this thing ends. And I'm stoked at The Order being included, to finish out that run. Fantastic.

Its not just that...its space.  I had someone say to me that you can never have too many books....they haven't seen my flat. 
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 13 December, 2023, 06:24:27 PM
I've had to get rid of a lot of books to Make space for the extended extended editions

So any ideas what another 20 editions could contain or are we looking at captain klep and thrill suckers edition
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 13 December, 2023, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 December, 2023, 06:09:33 PMYou know what, though: isn't it bloody amazing that not only could the Dredd collection sustain 90 books, but 2000 AD could sustain *200*?
Yes, and for a lapsed reader like me, it has been absolutely fantastic. I think it's an incredible success. Looking forward to Harry 20 and The Order.

Looking back to the start of this thread, a surprising number of folk were talking about Ant Wars...! Perhaps that dream will finally come to fruition.

I've never read it. I'm about to find out what Space Spinner 2k think about it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 13 December, 2023, 06:28:40 PM
I'd certainly buy Dan Dare without hesitation
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 December, 2023, 06:49:57 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 13 December, 2023, 06:19:27 PMIts not just that...its space.  I had someone say to me that you can never have too many books....they haven't seen my flat.
Oh, I can empathise there. We have bookshelves in our telly room, and Mrs G is infinitely patient regarding comics. There are... a lot of comics there. (She has some books too, but mostly reads on digital now.) But she has – entirely fairly – said that when the space is filled, the space is filled. So I'm pretty close now to that. BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS NEW BOOKS. Argh!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 December, 2023, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 13 December, 2023, 06:28:40 PMI'd certainly buy Dan Dare without hesitation
Probably worth noting the two larger Rebellion Dan Dare books are both in the sale right now, at 50% off...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 13 December, 2023, 08:27:50 PM
I'm now running a few months behind thanks to a credit card that didn't go through. 20 more issues. When will issue 200 come out officially then?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 13 December, 2023, 09:13:58 PM
20 more volumes? So there's still hope for that Soul Sisters, Straitjacket Fits and Space Girls volume?  ;)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 13 December, 2023, 09:46:44 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 13 December, 2023, 09:13:58 PM20 more volumes? So there's still hope for that Soul Sisters, Straitjacket Fits and Space Girls volume?  ;)

Crossover opportunity here for Space Sisters Fit, where an intergalactic nunnery for wayward...

[gets coat, leaves]
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 December, 2023, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 13 December, 2023, 08:27:50 PMI'm now running a few months behind thanks to a credit card that didn't go through. 20 more issues. When will issue 200 come out officially then?
May 2025? Sometime around then.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: paulbyrnewex on 13 December, 2023, 11:05:05 PM
Yeah April/May 2025 would be the end date now 15 unannounced plus the new 20 so 35 but I think several volumes can be guessed 🤔 Might need an extra Billy Bookcase.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 December, 2023, 08:23:55 AM
Loads of gaps now in the upcoming list too. Fire up the speculate-o-tron!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 14 December, 2023, 09:23:45 AM
I'm calling it now: the final volume will be The Darkest Judge.

A neat way of ending 290 volumes covering Dredd, and other iconic 2000AD characters.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 December, 2023, 09:31:46 AM
Volume 837: Sugar Beat (extended edition), at which point the well hasn't so much run dry as been scraped with a thimble by a frantic hand.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Anthony Garnon on 14 December, 2023, 09:43:14 AM
Two of these new volumes will likely be Skip Tracer...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 December, 2023, 10:46:09 AM
Although I imagine The Out will surely be in the mix. So for anyone who's not yet bought that gem, that'll be something special.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 14 December, 2023, 09:46:20 PM
With this extension I'm hoping for The Out, Thistlebone, Feral & Foe, Skip Tracer, Dandridge, Hershey, Chimpskys Law, Mechastopheles, Hope, Intestinauts, Jaegir, Sinister Dexter, Aquila, Fiends Of The Eastern Front, and more Dredd too, that is if there are enough stories not already collected to make up a full book.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 December, 2023, 10:02:34 PM
Wasn't Aquila and Fiends of the Eastern Front already done, and Jaegir for that matter unless there's more to collect.  I'd like any more of Savage that isn't collected to be honest, more Dredd and Hershey.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AlanProut on 14 December, 2023, 10:14:30 PM
I think there has been  more of Aquila, Jaegir and Fiends Of The Eastern Front in the prog since the initial books of each in the ultimate collection, but I could be mistaken. The rest of Savage would be great to get too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 2000BC on 15 December, 2023, 12:23:00 AM
Night Zero, Beyond Zero, Below Zero?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Richard on 15 December, 2023, 02:43:45 AM
Hope not; those were not 2000AD at its best.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 15 December, 2023, 08:55:17 AM
okay so maybe canon fodder now? maybe? possibly? probably not but i can dream
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Barrington Boots on 15 December, 2023, 09:38:18 AM
I love Night Zero & Beyond Zero but I'm sure there's stuff more deserving to get in that those. There's been a few weird choices though.
I suspect we'll see some more recent thrills in there.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: 2000BC on 16 December, 2023, 12:36:58 AM
I remember enjoying the first two Zero stories when they were in the prog.  Kev Hopgood's black and white art was a good fit.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 16 December, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Any idea how much of Proteus Vex will be in the UC volume? I have the very thin trade which collects the first 2 arcs. Hachette website says 200 pages, so presumably this could be all (to date) 4 story arcs?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 16 December, 2023, 01:58:43 PM
Each arc is about 60 pages, so I cannot see that all 4 will be included maybe only 3
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2023, 02:16:43 PM
Vex is an odd one. I'd love that series in HC, but I'm not keen on splitting it in the UC. (Same with Lawless, which I started buying in trade format.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 17 December, 2023, 06:02:27 PM
Mike Carroll has mentioned on Facebook that Book V is the final series. So given the new end date of 2025 Tharg might be able to squeeze the entirety of Proteus Vex into the UC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2023, 09:38:11 AM
Huh. I'm surprised it's wrapping up so quickly. It felt very long-running saga to me. A pity in some ways, although I'm also not against finite strips rather than ones that just stop for years and years.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 18 December, 2023, 10:25:47 AM
Dan Dare vol 1 is the next volume after Survival Geeks, and will be paired with it for subscribers. Bit of a shock as I'd assumed it was going to form part of the 181-200 range.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 18 December, 2023, 11:56:37 AM
Where did you see that
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 18 December, 2023, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: Swerty on 18 December, 2023, 11:56:37 AMWhere did you see that

I logged in my Hatchette account and it was listed as my next scheduled delivery.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 December, 2023, 12:44:30 AM
I read Scarlet Traces, an interesting book.  Some of the artwork had a Ministry of Space aesthetic about I felt.  Never read it before, indeed, I hadn't heard of it before, but looking forward to book 2.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 19 December, 2023, 09:24:55 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2023, 09:38:11 AMHuh. I'm surprised it's wrapping up so quickly. It felt very long-running saga to me. A pity in some ways, although I'm also not against finite strips rather than ones that just stop for years and years.
I found it more interesting when it was Vex investigating a conspiracy rather than the more recent turn to epic war shenanigans. Still one of the standout newer thrills for me, good space opera, freaky alien stuff (Tiny men in heads! Strange worm beasts with doll faces! Gigantic rock people!), I'd have thought it had more legs. I'd like it to continue.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2023, 09:31:07 AM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 19 December, 2023, 12:44:30 AMI read Scarlet Traces, an interesting book.
What series are included? Is it War of the Worlds first?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 19 December, 2023, 11:57:07 AM
war of the worlds, scarlet traces and the great game in that order
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 December, 2023, 12:04:09 PM
So that's the entirety of the original DH hardcovers. Hmm. I love those books, but this is tempting, given that the rest will also be collected in the UC.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 19 December, 2023, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 16 December, 2023, 01:58:43 PMEach arc is about 60 pages, so I cannot see that all 4 will be included maybe only 3

Fantastic. Thanks. Still worth my while, as the floppy only collects 1 & 2, and I dropped the Prog after the first episode of 3 was published. One of the few series I was still enjoying at the time, so will be good to finally read 3 in it's entirety,

Hopefully if it is, indeed, stopping at 5, they will manage to squeeze out a second, concluding, volume in the 200 extension. Especially as no doubt they will split it into 3 floppies. I'm still amazed they just re-issued the 2 volumes of Insurrection rather than creating a new complete edition. The JD: Ult Collection volume that collects the whole trilogy in one is the still the definitive edition all these years later!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 21 December, 2023, 01:04:49 PM
New issues are up on Hachette

Issue 166/Vol 168: Dan Dare Volume 1
Issue 167/Vol 178: Kingmaker
Issue 168/Vol 176: Harry 20/ Dead Men Walking
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 21 December, 2023, 01:06:16 PM
Sorry, that's vol 177 for Kingmaker
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 December, 2023, 02:25:06 PM
141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 - Dredd: End of Days
146 -
147 -
148 -
149 - Age of the Wolf
150 - Counterfeit Girl
151 - Survival Geeks
152 - Flesh Midnight Cowboy
153 - Return to Armageddon
154 - Mean Team
155 - 13 & Carver Hale
156 - Snow/Tiger
157 - Kingdom & Shako
158 - Damnation Station
159 - Proteus Vex
160 - Harry Twenty & Dead Men Walking
161 - Al's Baby
162 - Mazeworld
163 - Zenith volume I
164 - Zenith volume 2
165 - Buttonman I
166 - Buttonman II
167 -
168 - Dan Dare volume 1
169 - Dan Dare volume 2
170 -
171 -
172 -
173 - Atavar
174 - Scarlet Traces 1
175 - Scarlet Traces 2
176 - Scarlet Traces 3
177 - Kingmaker
178 - Dredd: Machine Law
179 - Dredd & Anderson
180 -
181 -
182 -
183 -
184 -
185 -
186 -
187 -
188 -
189 -
190 -
191 -
192 -
193 -
194 -
195 -
196 -
197 -
198 -
199 -
200 -

So we've now got 29 gaps, and only about 4 books to fill them with! Armoured Gideon, Lawless, Durham Red, and The Order (though is there enough Lawless now for two volumes...?)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 December, 2023, 02:29:08 PM
Willing to bet the Dredd count is going to go up quite a bit!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 21 December, 2023, 05:43:30 PM
The elusive issue 144 /179 (Dredd Anderson) is on eBay if anyone still needs it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 21 December, 2023, 06:48:56 PM
Strange, I've just gone to have a look at the covers on Hatchette and it only goes up to 165, so assume it's been taken down, or I'm looking at a cached copy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 December, 2023, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 21 December, 2023, 06:48:56 PMStrange, I've just gone to have a look at the covers on Hatchette and it only goes up to 165, so assume it's been taken down, or I'm looking at a cached copy.

It's here under Graphic Novels: Coming Soon.

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/graphic-novel/
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 21 December, 2023, 09:54:57 PM
'Dan Dare' volume 1 is scheduled to come in at a hefty 272 pages (is this a record for a Hachette book?) and will two volumes be enough to cover everything that was in the Rebellion editions?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 21 December, 2023, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 21 December, 2023, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 21 December, 2023, 06:48:56 PMStrange, I've just gone to have a look at the covers on Hatchette and it only goes up to 165, so assume it's been taken down, or I'm looking at a cached copy.

It's here under Graphic Novels: Coming Soon.

https://hachettepartworks.com/en-en/graphic-novel/

Ah, thanks for the link. Weird that 167 has the same cover as 165 (at present).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 21 December, 2023, 09:54:57 PM'Dan Dare' volume 1 is scheduled to come in at a hefty 272 pages (is this a record for a Hachette book?) and will two volumes be enough to cover everything that was in the Rebellion editions?
Rebellion editions are listed as 320 and 336. So presumably some stuff will be cut. Either that or the Rebellion books have loads of extras.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 22 December, 2023, 10:18:40 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2023, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 21 December, 2023, 09:54:57 PM'Dan Dare' volume 1 is scheduled to come in at a hefty 272 pages (is this a record for a Hachette book?) and will two volumes be enough to cover everything that was in the Rebellion editions?
Rebellion editions are listed as 320 and 336. So presumably some stuff will be cut. Either that or the Rebellion books have loads of extras.
Volume 1 of the nice Rebellion hardbacks has progs 1-23 and 28-51. Volume 2 has 52-85, 100-107, 109-126 and 1034. None of the pages are numbered in these editions, gah, but I can tell you there are around 50 pages of 'bonus' sci-fi special and annual strips in the first volume, and around 30 including text stories in the second. The first has no back-matter, the second a few pages. The first keeps the double-page colour spreads of the initial stories, which are usually 5 pages, so there are a lot of episodes with an extra blank page added. I'd imagine the first Hachette book would want to do that too.

These editions are so well put together, and preferable to Hachette versions I'd have thought.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2023, 01:05:24 PM
They are also both half price in the current sale. For Hachette subscribers, that won't make any odds. But for cherry pickers, the Rebellion volumes at that price surely have to be the better bet.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 22 December, 2023, 02:30:06 PM
Is Kingmaker still going or is this likely to be a good done-in-one collection to grab?

Also, what is Dead Men Walking? Not ringing any bells with me - side bar says David Bishop / Ben Wilshire / Boo Cook which doesn't sound familiar. It's been years since Bish wrote for the Prog or Meg so it must be something I've read in the past.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tjm86 on 22 December, 2023, 02:34:55 PM
Dead Men walking goes back a bit.  One of Cook's earliest pieces.  Mash up of a prison movie and a zombie movie IIRC.  Not bad as these things go.  A one and done.

ISTR Kingmaker being left on a bit of cliffhanger with unresolved threads.  Mind you we've only just had the next volume of Helium and some of us are still waiting for Tully and Gibbons to finish off a Dan Dare story from 40 odd years ago ...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2023, 03:42:06 PM
Good grief. Was it really six years since Kingmaker was in the prog? I wish we could clone Ian Edginton so he was as prolific as Abnett. I'd love to see more Brass Sun, Helium, Kingmaker, Scarlet Traces, Stickleback and Ampney Crucis (roughly in order of preference/'need').
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 22 December, 2023, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 22 December, 2023, 02:34:55 PMDead Men walking goes back a bit.  One of Cook's earliest pieces.  Mash up of a prison movie and a zombie movie IIRC.  Not bad as these things go.  A one and done.

ISTR Kingmaker being left on a bit of cliffhanger with unresolved threads.  Mind you we've only just had the next volume of Helium and some of us are still waiting for Tully and Gibbons to finish off a Dan Dare story from 40 odd years ago ...

Intrigued to seeing how Dead Men Walking reads in collected form...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 22 December, 2023, 07:05:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2023, 03:42:06 PMGood grief. Was it really six years since Kingmaker was in the prog?

No. March 2022. Ended on a cliffhanger. Said "Kingmaker returns in 'The Twilight Kingdom'". (In the twilight of our lives, more like.)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2023, 07:48:19 PM
Ah. Barney not being updated then. And my brain not doing so well in terms of memor-thing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 22 December, 2023, 08:07:05 PM
I was perfectly willing to believe it had been six years, until I checked my A-Z (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/Kingmaker/data.html).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: I, Cosh on 23 December, 2023, 12:28:52 PM
Pretty sure a recent preview said Kingmaker was back for a final series early in the new year.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 23 December, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 23 December, 2023, 12:28:52 PMPretty sure a recent preview said Kingmaker was back for a final series early in the new year.

Yes I also read it, I know the link is somewhere on this forum
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 23 December, 2023, 03:27:01 PM
For the final time this year, and earlier than I expected, latest Hatchette volumes safely arrived (165 Survival Geeks and 166 Dan Dare). Merry Christmas one and all!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 24 December, 2023, 03:44:57 PM
Just noticed the DD volume has a misprinted credits page that relates to the upcoming Harry 20 collection. The DD volume contains the first 51 Progs.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 24 December, 2023, 07:58:22 PM
Anyone do a comparison to the rebellion vol 1 Dan Dare oh and are the colour centrespeads intact
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 28 December, 2023, 09:41:44 AM
Contents of Harry 20 volume (misprinted in DD vol 1)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 29 December, 2023, 01:04:36 PM
How do people rate Proteus Vex and Survival Geeks?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 December, 2023, 01:54:12 PM
Quote from: levers on 29 December, 2023, 01:04:36 PMHow do people rate Proteus Vex and Survival Geeks?

Both really good. Proteus Vex is quite superb space opera stuff with astonishing art first by Henry Flint then Jake Lynch. Defo worth trying if you've not.

Survival Geeks goes from cute fun to really good and have to say improved no end when I last re-read. Art is lush too.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: broodblik on 29 December, 2023, 06:19:36 PM
I agree with Colin it is worthwhile reading them both.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 30 December, 2023, 10:40:38 AM
Thanks. Look like I'll be placing an order for both as soon as Survival Geeks goes on sale!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 05 January, 2024, 06:20:00 PM
survival geeks is everything except the zombie one which makes me think judgement days will part of the final extension
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 07 January, 2024, 10:26:01 AM
Just organised all my books and can't find 110! I've read it (only read about a third of these books so far) so I know its in the house somewhere.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Davgardo on 08 January, 2024, 08:56:10 AM
Quick question - 2 of the books I'd like to order (JD Machine Law and Leviathan) are out of stock on the hachette site: how likely are these to come back into stock or do i need to be thinking of the dreaded ebay?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 January, 2024, 11:11:55 AM
Leviathan went out of stock very rapidly. I'd tend to ask them, just to make sure, but you might have to head to eBay for that one. And it can be... spendy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 08 January, 2024, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 07 January, 2024, 10:26:01 AMJust organised all my books and can't find 110! I've read it (only read about a third of these books so far) so I know its in the house somewhere.

Good news. I found it.

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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 January, 2024, 04:43:07 PM
Where was it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 08 January, 2024, 05:36:26 PM
Under a pile of shite. No word of a lie, I found an unopened phone bill near it that was dated September 2012. That's not a typo. 

One advantage of this tidy up is that I've found my original 2000ad Big Finish CDs that are out of print and unavailable digitally.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 08 January, 2024, 08:30:33 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 08 January, 2024, 05:36:26 PMUnder a pile of shite. No word of a lie, I found an unopened phone bill near it that was dated September 2012. That's not a typo. 

One advantage of this tidy up is that I've found my original 2000ad Big Finish CDs that are out of print and unavailable digitally.

Jonathan Clements wrote the best of those, imho.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 08 January, 2024, 11:57:34 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 08 January, 2024, 08:30:33 PM
Quote from: Bad Andy on 08 January, 2024, 05:36:26 PMUnder a pile of shite. No word of a lie, I found an unopened phone bill near it that was dated September 2012. That's not a typo. 

One advantage of this tidy up is that I've found my original 2000ad Big Finish CDs that are out of print and unavailable digitally.

Jonathan Clements wrote the best of those, imho.

You're 100% right. And the rest of his Big Finish output is FASCINATING. The only story that he's done that I haven't chimed with is Immortal Beloved. - https://www.bigfinish.com/search_results?search_value_selected=0&search_term=Jonathan+Clements

Got to hat tip though and say Judge Amy Steel was fully formed from the off. And War Crimes was the first story that made me think about audio dramas in a different way.

Anyway - enough of my Big Finish stuff. Back to the Ultimate Collection  :D
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 10 January, 2024, 08:43:01 PM
Death Rock also listed within the Harry 20/Dead Men Walking volume, I've not heard of that, can anyone offer a brief synopsis?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 10 January, 2024, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 10 January, 2024, 08:43:01 PMDeath Rock also listed within the Harry 20/Dead Men Walking volume, I've not heard of that, can anyone offer a brief synopsis?

Well, ++SPOILERS++, but the FCBD #5 (2015) had Death Rock posit the notion that the escapees from the original Rock have crash-landed on a deadly planet. It was played as a stealth-reveal, though - so it's not until the final page that we realize the concrete connection.

It was written by "Barry Krishna", so don't be holding out hope for a sequel.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 11 January, 2024, 11:51:04 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 10 January, 2024, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 10 January, 2024, 08:43:01 PMDeath Rock also listed within the Harry 20/Dead Men Walking volume, I've not heard of that, can anyone offer a brief synopsis?

Well, ++SPOILERS++, but the FCBD #5 (2015) had Death Rock posit the notion that the escapees from the original Rock have crash-landed on a deadly planet. It was played as a stealth-reveal, though - so it's not until the final page that we realize the concrete connection.

It was written by "Barry Krishna", so don't be holding out hope for a sequel.

Many thanks!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 17 January, 2024, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 January, 2024, 11:11:55 AMLeviathan went out of stock very rapidly. I'd tend to ask them, just to make sure, but you might have to head to eBay for that one. And it can be... spendy.

There's a cheap copy of Leviathan on eBay if you're still interested
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 January, 2024, 04:18:20 PM
Blimey. And "more than 10 available". Did inca_books buy every copy? I sold mine off ages ago* – and for way more than 15 quid.

* Mostly because I'm an idiot and totally forgot I had the original Leviathan in HC. So I bunged the UC book on eBay to try and recoup my costs. And the sale price kept going up and up.


EDIT: Looks like the same seller has a pile of Dredd/Anderson (144/179) as well. So if anyone here still needs that book (which also vanished from eg FP very quickly), now's your chance!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AdamStrange on 18 January, 2024, 07:24:34 PM
I used this seller to buy a recent volume I'd missed out on. They accepted an offer on the book and it came quickly and was still sealed. Would definitely recommend to anyone interested.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 18 January, 2024, 10:41:11 PM
I'm STILL waiting on Harlem Heroes vol 2, wondering if id be better going the third party route
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 January, 2024, 09:21:47 AM
Waiting on from whom?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 19 January, 2024, 05:15:32 PM
Survival Geeks and Dan Dare Vol 1 arrived today. Survival Geeks is everything except the second Regened 'Splorers strip, Dan Dare is prog 1-51. The introduction implies there's only 2 volumes so unless there is a third, it looks like some stuff is going to be excluded.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AdamStrange on 19 January, 2024, 05:28:28 PM
The Hachette homepage is promoting a discount code of JANUARY50 and 50% off until the end of the month. When I try to validate it at checkout it doesn't work. Has anyone had any joy with it?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 January, 2024, 07:41:57 PM
Hachette tends to be Exclusion City when it comes to codes at the best of times. I think the Dredd collection was included in one sale and there was such a shitstorm from people that Dredd and possibly 2000 AD was specifically excluded from the next one.

Yep. Just tried here. Works for a Marvel or DC book but not for 2000 AD.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 19 January, 2024, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 January, 2024, 09:21:47 AMWaiting on from whom?

I order mine from my local WH Smiths.  For some stupid reason apparently the book arrived when it was meant to and was sent back to the distributors...no apology nothing.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 20 January, 2024, 08:18:29 AM
167 and 168 arrived. From Kingmakers intro it states: this volume contains the first three stories, with the creative team working on a fourth, due to appear in the Prog during 2024, entitled 'Drawing of the three'. Was that already known?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 January, 2024, 08:20:05 AM
Quote from: castle4 on 20 January, 2024, 08:18:29 AM167 and 168 arrived. From Kingmakers intro it states: this volume contains the first three stories, with the creative team working on a fourth, due to appear in the Prog during 2024, entitled 'Drawing of the three'. Was that already known?

I don't remember hearing it but its very good newes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 January, 2024, 05:48:56 PM
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 19 January, 2024, 10:58:24 PMI order mine from my local WH Smiths.  For some stupid reason apparently the book arrived when it was meant to and was sent back to the distributors...no apology nothing.
I mean, unless they can guarantee you getting another copy in and do it soon, and assuming you pay on collection rather than up front, I'd be tempted to source one elsewhere. Looking at the Hachette site, not many of the more recent editions are OOP, but some of the fairly recent ones already are (and are expensive to source elsewhere), such as Button Man #1 (which finally put to bed my thoughts about double dipping YET AGAIN on a series).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 20 January, 2024, 07:13:34 PM
Shame it doesn't cover the 2000ad UC, as it would be a good time to snap up the 4 x Red Seas volumes otherwise. Ah well. One day...

On a related note, any idea what the chances of any more Mek Files volumes is likely to be? I skipped the ABC Warriors Hachette volumes because the Mek Files are superior (and the weird way they split The Black Hole Saga which I really didn't like), and of course, Sod's Law, since then they've come to a screeching halt. Now the final 3 Hachette volumes with the uncollected strips are all no longer available on the Hachette site.

Helpfully, the Ebay seller you noted above, inca_books, has the final 2 volumes. Tempted to grab those and cross my fingers for at least a Mek Files 5 one day. But then it's probably easier for Rebellion to get Nemesis reprinted for the 1000th time first, this time in a super deluxe 3D presentation on reinforced steel with Kevin O'Neill's original gutter notes included. And Slaine The Horned God, this time hand signed in blood by Simon Bisley plus a lock of his hair with every copy.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 20 January, 2024, 07:32:45 PM
I also really wanted the Mek Files to be completed, but lost hope and bought the Ultimate Collection books with the additional stories in them to complete the ABC Warriors story. It seems to me a bitter shame to start a series in one format and then not finish it. (Similarly, I desperately want the last books of Finn and Third World War to come out in webshop exclusive hardcovers but am beginning to think they may never do).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 January, 2024, 07:54:44 PM
I was torn between the Mek Files and UC, and went on quite a journey. I preferred the reworked SMS art in the UC, but the format of the Mek Files was so much better and didn't slice Black Hole in half. So I sold off the UC books, in part because Hachette was awful at the time. And then, naturally, I decided I wanted to pick up the UC, and backfilled the books I'd sold. And then sold Mek Files. And then kept getting tempted to pick it up again in the Rebellion sales. Thank god Rebellion sold out of the Mek Files books or I may well have lost it.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:44:41 PM
so now we have a lot more space to play with shall we begin speculating?

I personally think we'll get some more sin dex volumes to take us to the end of bulletopia at least.

every extension has to have at least one chunk of pat mills so its gotta be either mach 1 or sigh american reaper

as much as i hate it skip tracer seems more likely now

the pedant in me wants canon fodder and tharg the mighty though i know no one else does xd

maybe feral and foe?

anything else?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 January, 2024, 09:27:01 AM
In case people were in any doubt, I just received the following message:

QuoteYes, unfortunately the 2000AD collection is excluded from the January sale I'm afraid.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 22 January, 2024, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:44:41 PMI personally think we'll get some more sin dex volumes to take us to the end of bulletopia at least.
Sounds good

Quote from: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:44:41 PMevery extension has to have at least one chunk of pat mills so its gotta be either mach 1 or sigh american reaper
There's still some Savage and Defoe and ABC warriors, I think, I'd be happy with those

Quote from: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:44:41 PMas much as i hate it skip tracer seems more likely now
Maybe it'll read better collected???  :D

Quote from: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:44:41 PMthe pedant in me wants canon fodder and tharg the mighty though i know no one else does xd
Fine by me, maybe Future Shocks and 3thrillers with the Tharg?

Quote from: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:44:41 PMmaybe feral and foe?
Big yes from me

Quote from: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:44:41 PManything else?
Older thrills: Ant wars? Machs 1 and 0? Wolfie Smith? Disaster 1999?
Newer: Brink, Deadworld, Dredd, Helium, the Out, Devlin?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: rogue69 on 22 January, 2024, 12:33:29 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:44:41 PMevery extension has to have at least one chunk of pat mills so its gotta be either mach 1 or sigh american reaper

Don't think we'll get American Reaper as the story rights are owned by Clint & Pat
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 22 January, 2024, 01:29:27 PM
Since Rebellion appears to have cancelled the 5th Regened trade, perhaps a Cadet Dredd UC volume with all stories so far would make a good edition for completionists? The ones I've read were decent. Always nice to see Joe and Rico's early days.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 January, 2024, 03:04:47 PM
I can't believe The Black Hole is out of print - hopefully, it'll be part of the new Nemesis HCs
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 January, 2024, 03:51:18 PM
I can't imagine it would be, given that it's not a Nemesis story.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 January, 2024, 03:56:27 PM
I totally see what you mean, IP, but as it's linked to Nemesis I thought it might be.

Wishful thinking!

(I'll settle for a Mek Files vol 1 reprint!)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 January, 2024, 04:33:58 PM
I just saw how much that goes for now. Blimey. Took me forever to shift mine on eBay for 15 quid at the time...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 22 January, 2024, 04:36:53 PM
Aye - big money!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AdamStrange on 22 January, 2024, 07:22:09 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 January, 2024, 09:27:01 AMIn case people were in any doubt, I just received the following message:

QuoteYes, unfortunately the 2000AD collection is excluded from the January sale I'm afraid.

That's a pity, but thanks for confirming
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 23 January, 2024, 01:58:51 PM
Didn't realise The Mek Files were all Out of Print and going for silly money now.

Bit the bullet and picked up the final 2 ABC Warriors Hachette Volumes on Ebay. Made an offer on both which was accepted with no hassles, so all good there. So I just need a Mek Files 5 (unlikely) or a cheapish #63 / Volume 28 (slightly less unlikely) to have the series in full.

Volume 113 just turned up. Read the interviews at the end. Some interesting stuff from Clint Langley and Pat Mills, but, like Matt Smith, I've no idea what Pat is talking about saying some of his final strips for 2000ad had poor artwork commissioned for them. Again, like Matt, I always got the impression Pat had final say on who illustrated his stuff. Especially after David Bishop's stint as Tharg where he ended up with an artist on Slaine that he didn't think was the right fit and vowed to stand his ground in future.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Blue Cactus on 23 January, 2024, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: karlos on 22 January, 2024, 03:56:27 PMI totally see what you mean, IP, but as it's linked to Nemesis I thought it might be.

Wishful thinking!

(I'll settle for a Mek Files vol 1 reprint!)

I'd love this to be included to along with the Flint Deadlock story, but I just don't think it'll happen. Not even sure if Nemesis and Deadlock will be included but I'd rather have The Black Hole!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: karlos on 23 January, 2024, 05:50:46 PM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 23 January, 2024, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: karlos on 22 January, 2024, 03:56:27 PMI totally see what you mean, IP, but as it's linked to Nemesis I thought it might be.

Wishful thinking!

(I'll settle for a Mek Files vol 1 reprint!)

I'd love this to be included to along with the Flint Deadlock story, but I just don't think it'll happen. Not even sure if Nemesis and Deadlock will be included but I'd rather have The Black Hole!

I'm hoping for all those - especially both The Black Hole and the Deadlock epilogue - fingers crossed, Blue Cactus!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AdamStrange on 23 January, 2024, 06:46:23 PM
Do you think there's any chance the three Stainless Steel Rat stories will be collected as one of the Hachette volumes, or is there an issue with copyright for those?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 January, 2024, 07:36:02 PM
I vaguely recall Rebellion saying it would have to relicense for another reprint.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 25 January, 2024, 10:17:02 PM
Was in Birmingham yesterday to see Depeche Mode. Had some time to kill beforehand so visited Worlds Apart. Had a load of Ultimate Collection books for £5. Lucked out and found a copy of ABC Warriors: The Volgan War Volume 2, so have the full run of ABC Warriors in Mek Files & Hachette now. Unsealed, but in good nick if it is indeed second hand or an old display copy.

Also found a copy of The Complete Nemesis The Warlock Volume 2 for £20. Sold my copy on Ebay last year (I have the fancy ltd hardcovers so the softcovers were superfluous and taking up far too much shelf space) and to my utter shock got £77 for it. Had no idea it was so sought after. So that's going straight up on Ebay. Flipping isn't something I do, but as a one off it'll hopefully knock some money off my massive energy bill if I can repeat the trick. Was surprised to see it sat there completely overlooked so may as well take advantage before someone else does.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 26 January, 2024, 04:42:25 PM
I don't really get why they go for so much when they're available in cheaper volumes.Maybe someone could enlighten me
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 January, 2024, 04:55:27 PM
I imagine because some people want to complete a partial collection of books they already have, and also because these editions provide a means to get everything from a strip, in a reasonably affordable manner.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 26 January, 2024, 06:16:01 PM
£77 for the Nemesis phone book that's mental.Worst thing is I probably had it and gave it away
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AdamStrange on 27 January, 2024, 09:17:50 AM
I've got my sob story about those Nemesis collections. I sold a set of 3 in mint condition on eBay just before Christmas. I got £125 for the set and packaged them really well, but the courier seemingly played football with them. They were delivered damaged and eBay pretty much took all the money back off me 😡
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 January, 2024, 10:21:41 AM
Sorry to hear it. Can you not claim off the courier, or did you not take out insurance?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: AdamStrange on 27 January, 2024, 12:25:54 PM
Stupidly took out a limited insurance postage method. Trying to save some cost as I thought packaging was indestructible. There's a lesson to be learned there 🤦
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 27 January, 2024, 12:44:41 PM
Sorry to hear that pal. I can imagine the sinking feeling in my stomach as that money went back where it came from  :(
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: moly on 27 January, 2024, 01:12:47 PM
Would be nice to get a Ron smith edition in the latest extension seems strange to not include black Atlantic in a collection, will we get a lot of dredd in the last extension

Is there enough decent stuff that hasn't been confirmed yet to justify another 20 editions
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 27 January, 2024, 03:55:20 PM
Quote from: AdamStrange on 27 January, 2024, 09:17:50 AMI've got my sob story about those Nemesis collections. I sold a set of 3 in mint condition on eBay just before Christmas. I got £125 for the set and packaged them really well, but the courier seemingly played football with them. They were delivered damaged and eBay pretty much took all the money back off me 😡

Which courier
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: robprosser on 27 January, 2024, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: AdamStrange on 27 January, 2024, 09:17:50 AMI've got my sob story about those Nemesis collections. I sold a set of 3 in mint condition on eBay just before Christmas. I got £125 for the set and packaged them really well, but the courier seemingly played football with them. They were delivered damaged and eBay pretty much took all the money back off me 😡
Did you see a photo of the damaged books? There are as many unscrupulous buyers as there are sellers on Ebay. Buyers are very aware that EBay nearly always takes their side in disputes.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 29 January, 2024, 05:18:15 PM
So it's
169 Luke Kirkby
170 Durham Red Born Bad
171 Armoured Gideon

Happy Days
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 29 January, 2024, 06:28:31 PM
i was not expecting luke kirby nice!

also all of armoured gideon in one book!

and the scarlet aprocrypa in the red book :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 January, 2024, 07:52:27 PM
Armoured Gideon! Chuffin' 'ell, how long have we been waiting for that to appear?!

141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 - Dredd: End of Days
146 -
147 - Armoured Gideon
148 -
149 - Age of the Wolf
150 - Counterfeit Girl
151 - Survival Geeks
152 - Flesh Midnight Cowboy
153 - Return to Armageddon
154 - Mean Team
155 - 13 & Carver Hale
156 - Snow/Tiger
157 - Kingdom & Shako
158 - Damnation Station
159 - Proteus Vex
160 - Harry Twenty & Dead Men Walking
161 - Al's Baby
162 - Mazeworld
163 - Zenith volume I
164 - Zenith volume 2
165 - Buttonman I
166 - Buttonman II
167 - Luke Kirby
168 - Dan Dare volume 1
169 - Dan Dare volume 2
170 -
171 - Durham Red
172 -
173 - Atavar
174 - Scarlet Traces 1
175 - Scarlet Traces 2
176 - Scarlet Traces 3
177 - Kingmaker
178 - Dredd: Machine Law
179 - Dredd & Anderson
180 -
181 -
182 -
183 -
184 -
185 -
186 -
187 -
188 -
189 -
190 -
191 -
192 -
193 -
194 -
195 -
196 -
197 -
198 -
199 -
200 -

Only 6 more books now to complete the second extension. Also confirmed: Lawless and The Order.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2024, 07:53:16 PM
Looks like that's all of Luke Kirby, given that the page count almost exactly matches the Rebellion volume. I'm happy with my Rebellion HC, but that's a bargain price for the entire tale in (smaller) HC. Durham Red: I imagine I'll pick that up. Big fan of the Worley run. As for Armoured Gideon: ANNIHILATE!

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 29 January, 2024, 09:04:18 PM
Still clinging onto hope that vol 170 will be one final Strontium Dog book with The Sorry Case, Tales From The Doghouse, that one Middenface strip that was skipped in the UC and anything else SD-related that hasn't been collected yet
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: JudgeFridericus on 31 January, 2024, 08:33:26 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 January, 2024, 09:27:01 AMIn case people were in any doubt, I just received the following message:

QuoteYes, unfortunately the 2000AD collection is excluded from the January sale I'm afraid.

That is strange as I bought some older books in the collection in the sale. I noticed at the time that it didn't work for the newer ones. I have just tried it again and now even the old books can't get the discount. How strange.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 31 January, 2024, 08:52:56 PM
Nice to see Luke Kirby in there - surprised it took so long. I'm happy with my big paperback though. Durham Red I'll pick up as I've only read the (very) recent stuff, which I liked, so I'd like to read the rest.

Armoured Gideon though. I actually read this at the time and not much has stuck with me. I recall the art was interesting, quirky. I don't remember being that taken with the story though. Hmmm.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Shakira? Shakara! on 01 February, 2024, 07:11:36 PM
Don't need Luke Kirby as happy with the Rebellion hardcover.

Durham Red is a no brainer as I love all the Stront stuff (yes, even Strontium Dogs and I can largely look past Mark Harrison's Grud-awful artwork after Carlos leaves thanks to Grant's excellent scripts and the promise of Colin MacNeil's beautiful painted artwork to come).

On the fence about Armoured Gideon though. Enjoyed it at the time and I have a real nostalgic fondness for it (my first Prog was 676 and it was one of the strips in it), but in all honesty I don't know I have much interest in re-reading it or need it taking up space on my bookshelf. Will be a last minute decision I expect!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 03 February, 2024, 12:19:37 AM
I was looking forward to Dan Dare but I'm finding it really hard going....I can't seem to get into it, but that may just be me.  I'm having a hard time focusing on anything at the moment due to my mental state and have about 4 or 5 books on the go.  So its maybe not Dare itself
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: michaelarby on 03 February, 2024, 09:34:07 AM
Just got round to reading my Slaine Dragontamer copy, but the print quality is terrible - every other page the text is misaligned and the artwork muddy. Anyone else have the same thing happen?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 07 February, 2024, 12:40:25 PM
Well I finally gave up on hoping that WH Smiths would get in my missing Harlem Heroes Volume 2 and ordered from Hachette.  I think when its 16 weeks overdue there's not much chance of getting it now.  That's the second or third time they've done that.

I bet it will appear after the Hachette volume appears.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Le Fink on 09 February, 2024, 08:27:53 PM
Quote from: michaelarby on 03 February, 2024, 09:34:07 AMJust got round to reading my Slaine Dragontamer copy, but the print quality is terrible - every other page the text is misaligned and the artwork muddy. Anyone else have the same thing happen?
Not that I recall - so probably worth asking for a replacement.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 14 February, 2024, 03:20:43 PM
Well...received my Harlem Heroes 2, I gave up waiting to see if it would appear in Smiths, they can't expect me to take it if it comes in when it was that late.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Bad Andy on 16 February, 2024, 10:06:16 AM
Just got my Harlem Heroes Vol 2 as well, but I'm on a three months delay after COVID
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 16 February, 2024, 05:51:40 PM
It's a rather thin volume, I was hoping the annual stories might be there, but I guess the Berlin Blitzkriegs with their fans shouting Sieg Heil is just not on :)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Jade Falcon on 17 February, 2024, 08:19:32 PM
Well I picked up the Harry Twenty book.  I already had the softcover which I will send to a friend, but I was a little disappointed with Death Rock, thinking it was going to be a full blown sequel rather than a few pages.  The other story was ok, if a bit disjointed in places.  Reproduction on Harry 20 in this I'll swear seems better than the softcover I've got, or maybe its just the type of paper.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 18 February, 2024, 02:23:38 PM
Contents of 170 Durham Red

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Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 18 February, 2024, 03:23:24 PM
yup thats scarlet apocrypa and the current run of durham red up to served cold alright
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 20 February, 2024, 08:09:23 AM
To my mind, Stainless Steel Rat is the only great strip missing from the first five years not included so far. Using the term classic to mean old, rather than great, then there is still MACH 1,Tharg the Mighty, Ant Wars, Angel, Disaster 1990, Death Planet and Mind of Wolfie Smith. As there is already a precedent with Robusters and Blackhawk, surely we will be getting a Strontium Dog from Starlord volume? And then maybe we'll get other stories from Starlord and Tornado who didn't cross over in to 2000ad. Or maybe those final 20 odd unannounced volumes will mostly contain content from the past 30 years, but hopefully not much from the 90's. Or just loads of Dredd!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 20 February, 2024, 10:01:21 AM
"The Sonny Steelgrave Collection"
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: The Monarch on 20 February, 2024, 12:13:59 PM
I am just saying chris weston collection make it so. give me my canon fodder
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: davidbishop on 21 February, 2024, 01:25:24 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 February, 2024, 10:01:21 AM"The Sonny Steelgrave Collection"

My hopes for a Dark Bish-Op Collation of Calamities has been dashed by Dead Men Walking being in the new Harry 20 volume. That just leaves Soul Sisters, The Straitjacket Fits and A Life Less Ordinary - not enough for a full volume! Sigh...
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 21 February, 2024, 01:31:25 PM
I mean, what if there was a 50-page interview as well?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Funt Solo on 21 February, 2024, 03:17:21 PM
Quote from: davidbishop on 21 February, 2024, 01:25:24 PMMy hopes for a Dark Bish-Op Collation of Calamities has been dashed by Dead Men Walking being in the new Harry 20 volume. That just leaves Soul Sisters, The Straitjacket Fits and A Life Less Ordinary - not enough for a full volume! Sigh...

Spare a thought for the poor man's feeli ... oh, it's you!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 11 March, 2024, 04:12:09 PM
Issue 172 is Lawless: Breaking Badrock.

Source is Hatchette website, dispatch note on my account.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: sintec on 11 March, 2024, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: castle4 on 11 March, 2024, 04:12:09 PMIssue 172 is Lawless: Breaking Badrock.

Sounds like that'll be picking up where the Mega Collection left off then. Excellent.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 16 March, 2024, 10:06:12 AM
For those interested in such things, issue 172 is Spine 170.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 March, 2024, 12:00:01 PM
So where does this new book take the story through to?

(I still think I'll pass, though. I have the paperbacks now, and I'm not sure I want to sell those so my Lawless will be split between the Dredd collection, the 2000 AD UC and then subsequent paperbacks. Mulling over what to do with Proteus Vex, for which I also have the first trade. And some other series. Easier with stuff that's finite or that has a good break point, such as Scarlet Traces. Less so with everything else, given that I'm clearly a bit particular with collections...)
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Tomwe on 16 March, 2024, 01:43:49 PM
Message sent to Hachette - got my delivery and 166 is missing (I'm behind). Hoping this was a packing error rather than an out of stock problem. I should have paid and caught up when I slipped behind.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 March, 2024, 04:38:50 PM
I'd hope an error. Assuming you mean Dare, that's still listed as in stock.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 16 March, 2024, 06:19:17 PM

So where does this new book take the story through to?

Megazine 389-394 Breaking Badrock, 400-409 Ashes to Ashes and 415-423 Boomtown.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 March, 2024, 08:18:33 PM
So, almost all of the Boom Town trade, but omitting Badrock Melody.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 17 March, 2024, 09:35:53 AM
I'm I right in remembering the first Lawless Dredd Collection finished half way through the equivalent TPB?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 March, 2024, 12:38:04 PM
Yes. The Dredd collection included Welcome to Badrock, Between Badrock and a Hard Place and Of Munce and Men from Welcome to Bedrock, and Long-Range War from Long-Range War.

This one is the rest of trade 2, all of trade 3 (Ashes to Ashes) and Boom Town from trade 4, but not Badrock Melody. (Trade 5, Ballots Over Badrock, is due out right at the end of July. I imagine it's unlikely there would be enough material for another Lawless in the UC before it ends – unless it does a Marvel and just continues.)

Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 17 March, 2024, 04:07:10 PM
According to Matt Smith's intro, there is more Lawless coming in 2024, so may be enough pages for UC issue 200?
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 18 March, 2024, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 March, 2024, 12:38:04 PMYes. The Dredd collection included Welcome to Badrock, Between Badrock and a Hard Place and Of Munce and Men from Welcome to Bedrock, and Long-Range War from Long-Range War.

This one is the rest of trade 2, all of trade 3 (Ashes to Ashes) and Boom Town from trade 4, but not Badrock Melody. (Trade 5, Ballots Over Badrock, is due out right at the end of July. I imagine it's unlikely there would be enough material for another Lawless in the UC before it ends – unless it does a Marvel and just continues.)


Thanks. I'm definitely missing the second half of Trade 2 in my collection!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 March, 2024, 02:11:33 PM
Hachette is shutting down (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/pfbid0F5Lsz8tu6nKKjGMLcvcGgdEt346wdRcyN72eo7mw3aS43NAGHvaGe78Yi5RrjRGfl) all of the individual collection pages on Facebook. I would assume this means customer support will now be via the main Hachette partworks page (https://www.facebook.com/HachettePartworksLtd).
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 20 March, 2024, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 March, 2024, 02:11:33 PMHachette is shutting down (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/pfbid0F5Lsz8tu6nKKjGMLcvcGgdEt346wdRcyN72eo7mw3aS43NAGHvaGe78Yi5RrjRGfl) all of the individual collection pages on Facebook. I would assume this means customer support will now be via the main Hachette partworks page (https://www.facebook.com/HachettePartworksLtd).
Fair enough. They haven't updated the 2000ad page in 4 years!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: levers on 27 March, 2024, 06:49:47 PM
Anything coming up post Lawless? As the Hatchette website isn't even listing it that volume yet!
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 27 March, 2024, 08:41:08 PM
Probably get updated next Tuesday after the holidays
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: castle4 on 28 March, 2024, 04:14:46 PM
Surprisingly Hatchette have updated their website today and 173/175 is Scarlet Traces 2 and 174/180 is Anderson Psi Div:NWO.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 28 March, 2024, 04:46:13 PM
141 - Slaine: Dragontamer & Black Siddha
142 -
143 - Harlem Heroes volume 1
144 - Harlem Heroes volume 2
145 - Dredd: End of Days
146 -
147 - Armoured Gideon
148 -
149 - Age of the Wolf
150 - Counterfeit Girl
151 - Survival Geeks
152 - Flesh Midnight Cowboy
153 - Return to Armageddon
154 - Mean Team
155 - 13 & Carver Hale
156 - Snow/Tiger
157 - Kingdom & Shako
158 - Damnation Station
159 - Proteus Vex
160 - Harry Twenty & Dead Men Walking
161 - Al's Baby
162 - Mazeworld
163 - Zenith volume I
164 - Zenith volume 2
165 - Buttonman I
166 - Buttonman II
167 - Luke Kirby
168 - Dan Dare volume 1
169 - Dan Dare volume 2
170 - Lawless Breaking Badrock
171 - Durham Red
172 -
173 - Atavar
174 - Scarlet Traces 1
175 - Scarlet Traces 2
176 - Scarlet Traces 3
177 - Kingmaker
178 - Dredd: Machine Law
179 - Dredd & Anderson
180 - Anderson Psi Div N.W.O.
181 -
182 -
183 -
184 -
185 -
186 -
187 -
188 -
189 -
190 -
191 -
192 -
193 -
194 -
195 -
196 -
197 -
198 -
199 -
200 -

Also confirmed:The Order.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 March, 2024, 05:35:05 PM
Hoping The Order isn't in one of those single slots, so we can get the entire run.
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Swerty on 28 March, 2024, 06:06:43 PM
Must be a chance of getting the new spine image soon
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: Max Headroom on 28 March, 2024, 07:31:48 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on Today at 05:35:05 PMHoping The Order isn't in one of those single slots, so we can get the entire run.

I don't get what you mean by this. One more book would complete the entire series. Please explain??
Title: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 March, 2024, 07:48:43 PM
Aha. Brain no workee.