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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

Started by TordelBack, 23 January, 2017, 04:29:12 PM

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Dandontdare

Quote from: TordelBack on 30 December, 2017, 01:52:47 PM
Ade Edmondson's character

Thought this may be a joke till I googled it - how did I miss Vivyan/Eddie on the dreadnaught? According to Google, many people did!

TordelBack

He's bloody brilliant in it too. And while it's not my catch, his opening line "we've caught them in the middle of their evacuation" is so Eddie Hitler it may be the cleverest thing in the film.  I pray there's an outtake of that where he mugs to camera.

IndigoPrime

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/942767862367731713

And in some ways it's odd people think this is so odd – some of the UK's best actors are comedians.

TordelBack

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 December, 2017, 02:42:58 PM
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/942767862367731713

And in some ways it's odd people think this is so odd – some of the UK's best actors are comedians.

Great twitter thread, cheers for the link IP!  Now I see where Gleeson was going with Hux too... Grand Moff of the Haltemprice Sector, I presume.

sheridan

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 December, 2017, 02:42:58 PM
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/942767862367731713

And in some ways it's odd people think this is so odd – some of the UK's best actors are comedians.

You'll say people like David Jason, Hugh Laurie and Robbie Coltrane can play serious characters next!

Definitely Not Mister Pops

Quote from: sheridan on 31 December, 2017, 01:29:29 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 30 December, 2017, 02:42:58 PM
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/942767862367731713

And in some ways it's odd people think this is so odd – some of the UK's best actors are comedians.

You'll say people like David Jason, Hugh Laurie and Robbie Coltrane can play serious characters next!

Sure weren't they all secretly Stormtroopers in the new movies?
You may quote me on that.

Rara Avis

#651
I saw this a while back and it was a solid 5/10 for me. I went in with no expectations and hardly any knowledge of what to expect. I was happy to let the story go wherever but ultimately felt it didn't live up to the promise of TFA (which I loved).

The opening scene was just ridiculous and consequently I found the first half of the film to be ridiculous. Poe who was a standout character in TFA gets turned into an absolute meathead and ultimately the cause of the destruction of the rebel fleet. Later he is responsibe for a mutiny against the rebellion command and they wonder why they're not winning? In R1 people die in order to help the rebellion and yet this beautiful fool throws a temper tantrum and disobeys a direct command any time he doesn't get his own way. And gets away with it ...

After spending so much time building up the relationship between Rey and Finn, he is side lined to go off on some ludicrous expedition which ultimately fails. Then when he decides to sacrifice himself for the greater good and crash into that weapon thing at the end he's knocked out of the way by Rose who they have created in order to free up Rey for some Kylo Ren action in the next movie. His depiction as a PTSD suffering cog in the imperial machine and his subsequent desertion of the FO was actually really original and he deserves way better than to be turned into a comedic prop.

Then we have the death of Snoke... ok it lead to one of the best fight scenes in the movie but c'mon...
Not much else to say about this I found it weird that he chose to lounge about all day in his open chested gold robe with guards that resemble sex toys ..

Not much critcism of Luke and Leia other than he acts like a thwarted child for quite a bit of his story arc while her indulgence of Poe was baffling. No wonder no one came to her aid when called.

The second half of the movie that focused on the Rey / Ren story gave the movie some much needed gravitas and really turned it around. The overall arc of the trilogy would appear to be his redemption with the assistance of Rey. I don't believe that her parentage truly has been revealed but if it has .. well that was just disappointing. Not that she needs to be the child of someone important, but like the sudden death of Snoke and even Admiral Ackbar's sad and offscreen demise, it doesn't do the story or character justice.

I have not read through this entire thread but I see some of you are discussing the technicalities of some of the events in far more detail than I can go into. My only observations here, which may have been discussed already were the rebel fleet's crisis involving the need for a space petrol station and if the lead ship had no fuel how was the final hyperspace jump carried out when they should not have had enough fuel to do it. Clearly Laura Dern's character is expendable so her sacrifice is allowed, improbable though it may have been.

So overall it was an ok movie but I don't understand how the film makers can think they'll get away with these gaping plot holes. They can say 'oh it's just a kids movie' but they know kids aren't the only ones watching them and a bit more thought and some better writing would have elevated this mediocre movie from meah to eh!




Trout

Quote from: TordelBack on 30 December, 2017, 02:40:09 PM
He's bloody brilliant in it too. And while it's not my catch, his opening line "we've caught them in the middle of their evacuation" is so Eddie Hitler it may be the cleverest thing in the film.  I pray there's an outtake of that where he mugs to camera.

He had me grinning the whole time. I wish Rik had lived to be sarcastic about it.

TordelBack

Quote from: Rara Avis on 31 December, 2017, 11:14:06 AM
I saw this a while back and it was a solid 5/10 for me. I went in with
So overall it was an ok movie but I don't understand how the film makers can think they'll get away with these gaping plot holes.

Hyperspace fuel and realspace fuel are probably very different things for what are entirely different engines.  See TESB and TPM.  Did you mention any other supposed glaring plot holes there?

In the end Poe's destruction oF the dreadnought probably saved the Resistance - if it had been left intact it could have obliterated the Crait base, shield or no shield,  just as it did D'Qar.


Richard

Quoteif the lead ship had no fuel how was the final hyperspace jump carried out when they should not have had enough fuel to do it.
They said all along that they had enough fuel to make one jump, just not enough to make a second one. They made one jump. No plot hole.

The Legendary Shark

They should've jumped into the Mutara Nebula and looked up the FO ships' prefix codes whilst awaiting the arrival of Captain Jim...

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Richard

I saw it today and thought it was great. The best in the franchise since the first one, Episode IV.

I'm surprised by how negative the comments are about this film (although I shouldn't be, I suppose -- it seems that no matter how good a film is, people are determined to find plot holes and things to carp about).

One of them I don't even understand. Yes, Poe fucked up and got some of his comrades killed -- so what? That isn't a plot hole, that's a character making a mistake that anyone else in his position might have made. Just because he's one of the good guys means he can't make a mistake? I thought that the reveal of the scale of his error actually made an interesting plot turn. (Imagine if heroes in 2000AD never made mistakes. "The Moses Incident" would have been a very short and uneventful story if Johnny Alpha had left Moses where he was instead of taking him to see Malak Brood.)

So the x-wing fighters still move like aeroplanes even though they shouldn't? So what, they did that in the original films. If they hadn't done that in this film, you'd be moaning about how the makers of the new films had ignored the physics of the original trilogy. That's a point that they literally can't win -- damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Imagine if the studio shrugged their shoulders and said "fuck it, there's no pleasing these fans so we won't bother making episode IX." (I know they won't because of the money, but imagine if they did.) Would you like that? Mission accomplished? I doubt that's what anyone on this board really wants, but the mentality of the people who did that petition is mind-boggling.

Would the film really be improved by cutting out the casino and the alien horse chase? Why not just cut the whole thing down to 80 minutes? We only need the bare bones of the story, not all these sub-plots, secondary characters and action sequences. In fact the whole film should just have been Luke and Rey talking on an island. The spaceships just get in the way.  ::)


Steve Green

Poe didn't screw up as far as I can see.

He saved the fleet.

JLC

Quote from: Richard on 31 December, 2017, 06:54:28 PM
Would the film really be improved by cutting out the casino and the alien horse chase?
Yes. Because that whole plot line went nowhere & felt like something from the prequels. & there would have been no need for that plot if Holdo hadn't kept her plan secret for unknown reasons.

Richard

I assumed she just felt that she didn't have to explain herself to an unruly and recently demoted subordinate, but yes she could have avoided a lot of trouble if she'd just come clean.

Poe endangered the fleet, the plan would have worked perfectly if he hadn't sent Flynn to get the code breaker, which is what led to him telling Bernicio del Toro about the plan, which led to the transports being fired on as they left the cruiser.