GREETINGS, SURFACE-DWELLERS! Brace yourselves for the 10,000th piece of fishy posting...
This message board has a secret section which is called "the Privileged Pavillion" (yes, spelled that way) and is open only to selected members. That means anyone who's been published in the prog or Meg, plus Rebellion staff and people with admin log-ins for this site.
I understand the aim is to be able to discuss potentially-contentious issues in private, rather than on a public board. Fair enough, I say. Also, if creators want to say things without the general fanbase hearing them, that also seems fine to me. God knows, the internet tends to attract one or two... disruptive types... so I applaud any effort to bring creators back to the official site without them being harassed.
Anyway, it's Rebellion's message board and they can do what they like. People with admin profiles have had special access for many years anyway, for very obvious practical reasons, so it's no big deal.
What puzzles me, however, is that those people who have access have been forbidden from mentioning the Privileged Pavillion on the public board. I don't see why it would bother anyone that it exists, so why keep it secret?
So, I thought what the hell - let's blow the secret. Apologies if it annoys people or causes trouble. It just seems correct to be open, even if it gets me the elbow again.
For the record, there has been very little traffic on the Pavillion since it was opened on August 23. There are only four threads and one's about the latest S**** invasion. No fan has been criticised in any way (except Scott, who doesn't really count).
And no, I'm not a Pavillion member, or bothered about being one. My thanks to those of you who are, and passed on information to me.
I wouldn't like this to be my last post (distant bugler...) but I believe in free speech so I'm going to take the risk. This has been on my mind for some time, and I think the point I reach my big meaningless round number of posts is as good as point as any to express myself.
Finally, just in case I don't get the chance later...
This is a great board. Thanks for being my mates. One last time, you horrible, surface-dwelling scum:
ALL HAIL ME!
And all hail the rest of you, too.
- Trout
Nice knowing you too, Trout.
I can't imagine anyone being bothered by the existence of such a place, I'd long thought that such a place would exist and fair enough really, the rest of this place is taken up with us lot anyway, why SHOULDN'T there be a VIP-ribboned-off bit for the folks who make it happen?
Quote from: King Trout on 20 October, 2009, 03:37:43 PMWhat puzzles me, however, is that those people who have access have been forbidden from mentioning the Privileged Pavillion on the public board. I don't see why it would bother anyone that it exists, so why keep it secret?
This is not entirely accurate. The quote from the Pavillion readme is:
QuotePlease don't mention this subforum or the discussions inside it anywhere else on the 2000AD forum. We don't mean to keep this place a secret, but we don't want other users to feel like they're not invited
As Trout says, it hasn't had much use, but it's there just in case the need/desire arises, and my hope is that it might encourage 2000AD creators to participate in this forum.
I would certainly prefer it if discussion about the subforum's existence and the rights and wrongs of secrecy about it remains on this thread.
Cheers,
Wake
I don't know what to make of all this, but congrats on the fifth digit to our aquatic overlord anyways.
So does the Pavillion have the same no-touching policy we have out in the main lounge? 'Cos man that sucks.
Aaaargh, it's like the 25th Anniversary Bash all over again. We minions down in the main part of the club and the creators up in the VIP lounge ;)
So long as certain creators keep popping into the Wednesday Night Chat Room I'll be happy ;D
My apologies, Wake. I didn't mean to be inaccurate. In fact, I was trying very hard to be. What's not correct?
The extract you quote is from the following:
QuoteKeep it secret, keep it safe.
Please don't mention this subforum or the discussions inside it anywhere else on the 2000AD forum. We don't mean to keep this place a secret, but we don't want other users to feel like they're not invited to the cool kids club. This place is here for convenience.
Isn't there a contradiction in there? Certainly, "don't mention this" sounds to me like keeping a secret.
Anyway... to reiterate: I'm not complaining about its existence. Good for you for trying to bring some creators back. Too many were chased away by some of the excesses of the main board.
All the best
- Trout
Indeed congrats on the 10,000th post! I signed up to this board many moons before any of you were born (or before I actually posted anything of merit) so I am still harbouring hopes of hitting four figures, never mind five.... :(
Yes you did uncle fester, March 01, 2002, 12:29:57 AM to be precise. Now get off your arse and catch Trout up!
Very sensible attitude Wake. I'm behind this 100% This place would be all the richer with more creators popping by more often, so why not give them a staff room to get away from all us noisy kids.
Quote from: King Trout on 20 October, 2009, 04:20:06 PMIsn't there a contradiction in there? Certainly, "don't mention this" sounds to me like keeping a secret.
Fair enough. Strictly you are correct and it is asking for the people with access to it to keep it secret from the main board. I didn't read it like that because, to me, the reason behind it is reasonable, and the wording is far less strong than, say, an NDA.
I would have had no problem with telling an individual about it, if the topic had come up in conversation (e.g. someone suggesting that such a place would be a good thing), but I would have asked the person I was telling not to post about it here.
Cheers,
Wake
Yeah, well, as I say, sorry if I'm causing trouble. I'm not stirring - just in case it looks like it. I just think its existence should be acknowledged openly.
This is an open forum which has long been a great place for like-minded fans to meet. I want to encourage it to have a good atmosphere, by positive participation.
Perhaps this thread could be given over to crisps now? I bought some haddock for a fish pie today and I plan to put crushed crisps in the mash. :-)
- Trout
Excellent idea.
Not done a fishy pie in AGES. Crushed crisps? What flavour would you suggest? I'd probably go with the salt n shake ones as salty crisps would throw off the seasoning overall I feel. Personal taste issue you understand.
*avoids a vile double entendre*
Cheese and onion, although I'm considering Wotsits.
Well done old fish features I nominate you for this years THIN ICE Award!
Move along please, there's nothing to see here.
I'm wondering how many other threads can change into crisp discussions now, I love those Marmite crisps!
Marmite crisps are awesome. I'm still dancing a personal dance of joy over the return of beef monster munch. Truely the food of the gods. Also good crushed over the top of a mash (although technically they are a wheat snack not a crisp)
WTF is going on here? Hidden Cabals and Wotsits in mash?
Its like Dan Brown started a thread after a few puffs.
nah it's too plausible and exciting for Dan Brown.
Yeah, and Trout didn't communicate by daubing the fibonacci sequence on the walls of his bowl in algae to reveal the specific verse in the Apocrypha whose consonants exactly match the chord-sequence for a little-known madrigal that Rebellion used as a backing track in Dredd versus Death in the warehouse sequence, so that when you deliberately died at that point and entered your name on the high score chart as "Pavillion", the truth was revealed just before an albino MekQuake dressed as Carlos Ezquerra appears in a really tiny Smart Car and brains you with the Living Axe, just to prove how fucking clever he thinks he is. So not like Dan Brown at all.
I'm actually a little disappointed nobody thought it was a wind-up.
I'm off to sniff my progs. Hee hee hee!
- Trout
Thats all well and good but I know for a fact just before Trout typed his post he jumped out a plane and used a fucking tarpaulin as a parachute just before a dark matter bomb exploded in the Vatican.
So there.
Aaaaaaand you still haven't explained wotsits in mash!
I'm just disappointed nobody accused old Trout of being You-Know-Who (no, not Schweppes).
Voldemort? Because I think we take that as read.
Quote from: James S on 20 October, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
nah it's too plausible and exciting for Dan Brown.
Dan Brown is author par excellence at conspiracy/disinfo writing and he gets on my tits big time.
There is another level beyond the secret creators forum of which i must never speak of.
Ever.
All hail the Trout, and his scoop of the Century.
On the crisps/mash debate, I have a colleague who claims to put smunched-up crisps on top of pasta bakes. I had believed this kind of thing to be an isolated outbreak of mentalism until now.
Quote from: The Satanist on 20 October, 2009, 05:36:30 PM
Aaaaaaand you still haven't explained wotsits in mash!
You crush 'em and mix 'em in. Improves the flavour. What's to explain?
Try it!
- Trout
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Forgot what I was gonna say...
Oh yeah,
CONGRATULATIONS YOUR MAJESTY!
Quote from: King Trout on 20 October, 2009, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: The Satanist on 20 October, 2009, 05:36:30 PM
Aaaaaaand you still haven't explained wotsits in mash!
You crush 'em and mix 'em in. Improves the flavour. What's to explain?
Try it!
- Trout
I didn't mean what were you doing with them more like WTF are you thinking ruining some tasty mash!
I had imagined they were sticking out the mash like the horns on Desperate Dans pies though. :)
I'm a tad disappointed now. :(
Well crisps and other matters aside congratulations on getting to 10,000 posts, an awe inspiring amount... or just a heck of a lot. So will we have to actually call you Kenneth now?
Gawd Trout, can't take you anywhere.
Yes, so, anyway, the Privileged Pavillion does exist - poor spelling and all. It was an idea I cooked up one weekend when we started handing out, well, privileges to users. Seeing as we've got part of the readme thread here already, here's the whole thing:
Quote from: VinceBot
If you can see this forum then you're one of the lucky individuals who've been granted extra-awesome powers on this forum or a published creator in 2000AD, but aren't a member of forum staff (Moderator or Admin).
What is this place?
This forum is in place so you can post about things and the staff members will pay extra attention - such as notices about your own threads, alerts, suggestions, complaints or anything else.
Why do you care?
Where I hope this forum will really shine is in bringing community issues to our attention - While I'm an administrator I don't really read many threads or participate in discussions, however you guys are active forum members and hopefully have a better feel for the community and atmosphere around here.
Hopefully if theres an issue we (the staff) are unaware of, you guys can post about it here and maybe suggest some solutions before it starts to strangle the entire user base.
Keep it secret, keep it safe.
Please don't mention this subforum or the discussions inside it anywhere else on the 2000AD forum. We don't mean to keep this place a secret, but we don't want other users to feel like they're not invited to the cool kids club. This place is here for convenience.
Happy posting.
The purpose of the forum was more or less to facilitate administration - to let those who have been deemed at one time or another to be trustworthy help us make decisions, or let them bring rising issues to our immediate attention.
There was an obvious need to mention the forum was both invisible and private, and I figured it would be better to not mention its existence rather than make other users, who are just as valuable, feel like they aren't good enough to be involved. It's less about one persons voice being more valuable than anothers and more about thinning out the number of voices overall.
As you guys now know about the forum, thats great, but I'd still like the keep the PP running exactly how it has been. To clarify; the PP is only accessible by admins, moderators, 2000ad creators, and users whose accounts have been given special permissions to do things above regular users (sticky threads, make announcements, etc).
As I'm all for transparency but don't want to make the PP a public forum, let me elaborate on "the four topics" which trout hinted at earlier.
- Privileged Pavillion Readme - what I posted above
- 2000ad Creator Group - a list of 2000ad creators and discussion on that group
- Future forum rules - A thread discussing the forum rules and changes that were made before they became public
- Scojo discussion - a thread by me, asking why I should be afraid
And besides, there's
yet another forum above that which you guys can't see, where the admins go to put their feet up.
A Cheese and Onion Tayto sandwich, is the best use I found for crisps.
A massive congratulations Trout and a great use of your momentous post.
Quote from: King Trout on 20 October, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
I'm actually a little disappointed nobody thought it was a wind-up.
- Trout
I absolutely did until Wake went and confirmed it! If there'd been a solid wall of denial from The Powers That Be, we'd have doubted your sanity or hounded you out of town as a liar and malcontent!
Wake forgot the rule - "The first rule of PP, is you don't talk about PP. The second rule of PP is DON'T PUT CHEESE IN IT"
Why is there cheese in my PP?
Edit: Wait what
Brace yourselves for the 10,000th piece of fishy posting...
Hail to the King, Baby! ;D
Seabrooks Tomato Sauce flavour crisps. That's all I've got to say.*
* Apart from again gratuitously mentioning that I'm gonna be a Dad :)
10,000 posts. He didn't think it too many.
thanks for exposing what history will no doubt call "Judgegate-priveledged pavillion-illuminati conspiracy-giant lizards".
I for one welcome our new Pavillion overlords.
Quote from: satchmo on 20 October, 2009, 09:12:17 PM
Seabrooks Tomato Sauce flavour crisps. That's all I've got to say.*
* Apart from again gratuitously mentioning that I'm gonna be a Dad :)
Well done sir!
Not on the crisps- they sound minging.
Thanks for that, Vince. All the best.
- Trout
Your mom, Trout. Your mom.
Now I have less than 90 posts until I'm at 10101. What should I do for that? What's that when it's binary?
21 again Trout.
I think. I have enough trouble with the decimal system let alone frigging binary.
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 20 October, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
10,000 posts. He didn't think it too many.
thanks for exposing what history will no doubt call "Judgegate-priveledged pavillion-illuminati conspiracy-giant lizards".
I for one welcome our new Pavillion overlords.
Its like a hierachial masonic pyramid or layers of an onion.
If you advance through all the different layers you get to the pinnacle and reach a state of enlightenment or illumination where you shall be called into the office of Tharg The Mighty .
I've been directed back to the site by a mucker who thought I should take a look at the thread.
Let my last post here (tantalisingly one short of 7500 posts) be one of congratulations to Trouty, one of the most amiable peole I've ever met. I don't think I've ever written this so here goes...
Hail to the King.
Quote from: DavidXBrunt on 20 October, 2009, 11:33:22 PM
Let my last post here
Wossallthatabout, DXB? I know we've not seen eye to eye on many things, but I don't think you've got me on ignore, so I just want to say that I would certainly miss your input on this forum. It's been clear from your more recent posts that you've a lot on your plate, but I'd certainly implore you to pop in now and then. The board will be noticeably poorer without you.
Cheers!
Jim
Yeah, I agree, David. Give us a 7500th post, at least.
- Trout
After a chat with Wake, I want to make my opinions clear.
First, I don't think this new website section is elitist. I understand why it's there and I hope creators use it. Wake's always worked hard on this website and I respect him for it.
Secondly, reposting elements of it elsewhere would undermine it, and I don't want to do that. So I'm giving my personal guarantee that I won't copy parts of the PP to any other forum.
Hopefully that's settled now.
- Trout
I really wasn't that bothered to be honest.
If you're going to be like that though I'm going to be mean about you in the PP.
You hear me? In the PP!
[spoiler]Thats the last dingle-dangle joke, honest.[/spoiler]
Mean about who? What? I was being nice!
[spoiler]You smell of widdles.[/spoiler]
- Trout
That,was very moving and rousing trout. Hail t thee. and there was me, thinking you'd become a slasher. Of prices.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 20 October, 2009, 11:49:16 PM
Quote from: DavidXBrunt on 20 October, 2009, 11:33:22 PM
Let my last post here
Wossallthatabout, DXB? I know we've not seen eye to eye on many things, but I don't think you've got me on ignore, so I just want to say that I would certainly miss your input on this forum. It's been clear from your more recent posts that you've a lot on your plate, but I'd certainly implore you to pop in now and then. The board will be noticeably poorer without you.
Cheers!
Jim
Couldn't agree more. Come back David. We miss you mate.
Come on Dave that 7500 post should be telling us all your favourite crips and flavour, you know it makes sense ;)
Yeah, this place just wouldn't be the same without the prospect of a lash from DXB's biting wit, or his milk-based electronics solutions! Come back to us someday soon David, we'll just go soft without you, our Master Affineur.
Green worms never felt that convincing. Dave. You keep posting, I'll keep reading man. Don't leave me in a world of emotional spasticity. Viva Mr Jinx ..!
Hail to the King.
10000 is no mean feat.
DXB posts are also always welcome.
This Pavillion sounds like an eminently sensible idea to give people space to discuss without having to email. The "Keep it secret, Keep it Safe" title makes it sound more secret than it is though. It's the sort of thing I'd accidentally do at work. Using what I think is a cool and vaguely related quote from a movie as a heading and then having a lot more inferred by it other than "I think it's cool and vaguely related".
Similar to a line (I paraphrase) from the Simpsons.
"I don't get your fascination with trying to get into my Top Secret closet"
But I shall now forget it exists.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 21 October, 2009, 06:49:02 PM
Similar to a line (I paraphrase) from the Simpsons.
"I don't get your fascination with trying to get into my Top Secret closet"
Hehe ... Ralph, what is your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery?
Awesome line.
I have to give Trout props for the greatest line in the history of this board. it was something along the lines of "Is that the one with the Muppet? Fuck that."
Ah, Farscape. So much potential fucked by a Muppet.
;D
- Trout
not to be confused with...PIGS IN SPACCCCCCCCE
Do the
PPers get a plastic wallet with ID cards, bionics transfers, badges and everything? Do they have a gang hut?
If so-
THAT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR!
Anyway, everyone knows that hedgehog flavour crisps reeked of awesomeness.
I remember my wee sister saying they wouldn't kill hedgehogs to flavour crisps. I casually informed her that they only used roadkill, as they were dead anyway- whilst eating a bag. She wouldn't touch them after that.