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Title: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Magnetica on 25 June, 2016, 01:12:54 PM
So we are on the count down now with Dredd and Brink.

Dredd- the game is really afoot now.

Slaine - I might be in the minority but I like this.

Brink - ok going to have to go back and reread last week now.

Black Shuck - carries on as before, good stuff.

Grey Area. Not much happens - they are off back to Earth with a small surprise I guess.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Darren Stephens on 25 June, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
Only read Dredd and Brink so far. Brink has been excellent. Perfect comics!
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 25 June, 2016, 04:54:25 PM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/Caliban_photos/a28e971ad941c0352d133d665d4830b1_zpsbawuxbbr.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: mejustnow on 25 June, 2016, 06:57:10 PM
Re Slaine: haven't we had this episode already? Mistake at the printers?
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Steve Green on 25 June, 2016, 07:05:08 PM
No, just a similar themed cover.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 June, 2016, 09:56:26 PM
Enjoying that cover quite a lot and inside things are pretty good.Well except for Black Shuck. Poor old Black Shuck, see it did what I wanted and seemd to break the shackles of the last few weeks and all the wonderfully images told me it was doing exciting and interesting thing. Alas the words were telling me things I had simply lost touch with. I hadn't a clue. Re-read time and not for the good reasons.

Everything else was on fine form. Well okay Grey Area was just a epilogue really but since I've enjoyed this story (long form) soe much I'm cool with that. It was cute again and delighted that this series hasn't finished, rather just the current extended storyline. Looking forward to its return.

Slaine should have been more of the same from when I wasn't enjoying this story, but you know what this really worked. It was nicely constructed and the magicky wagicky mumbo jumbo had a very human impact. Great episode in this hit and miss outing.

The other two Dredd and Brink have barely put a foot wrong in their respective stories and these episodes are no exception. Both are just very, very good comics and I love them both like my children.

All this and a lovely poster telling us about Scarlet Traces starting next week and The Order getting a very exciting looking third outing.

HOOZZAAHHH
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: staticgirl on 25 June, 2016, 10:28:38 PM
I have become very, very fond of Officer Resting Bitch Face. Her combination of innocence, literalism and weary tolerance is very sweet.
[spoiler]I am glad she'll be back [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Fungus on 26 June, 2016, 01:15:11 AM
Couple of weeks behind, but these threads are unavoidable...

Love SD's covers, even the stylised, minimalistic ones. This one is lacking, I'm afraid. I'm kind of lost as to what can be done with Slaine as a series.

Looking forward to Scarlet Traces hugely.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: A.Cow on 26 June, 2016, 02:27:58 AM
Quote from: mejustnow on 25 June, 2016, 06:57:10 PM
Re Slaine: haven't we had this episode already? Mistake at the printers?

Couldn't agree more.  Slaine is just an interminable dirge.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Proudhuff on 28 June, 2016, 12:33:15 PM
Dredd- The Car-Roll droid and Happy Sharpnel are knocking it out the park on this one. Giant's fight scene a doozy!

Slaine - Stunning artwork, while Mrs Mills' laddie works out his relationship to the great piano player.

Brink - haven't been able to get into this, perhaps when its collected, lots of love on board for this so will revisit.

Black Shuck - I spy Lemmy!

Grey Area. Resting face is my fav, CBA with the wedding and the Deus ex machina was a bit old hat...
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Ghost MacRoth on 28 June, 2016, 07:40:04 PM
Cover: Muddy but an interesting perspective pose.

Dredd: And so the subterfuge is put aside, and Oswin reveals her true purpose. Think she could have done some more homework on Beeny though.... she will come to regret that underestimation I believe.

Slaine:  Duller by the week.

Brink: Still just a strip that takes up space for me.  Nowt to see here...move along.

Black Shuck: Taking quite some time to get...nowhere in particular. 

Grey Area: Glad to see RBF and CMMO are heading back with the team, should add a new element to the day to day Border Patrol duties! 

And an ad for another D'Israeli/Edginton tale for next prog.  So basically that will leave me just DRedd to enjoy.  Great.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Bad City Blue on 29 June, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Only reading Dredd and Grey Area at the mo, everything else is either too confusing or, in the case of Slaine, a gift wrapped turd.

Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Fungus on 29 June, 2016, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: Bad City Blue on 29 June, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
a gift wrapped turd.

Guess that's a birthday you'll never forget.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Frank on 29 June, 2016, 03:27:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/sZU6ctN.png?1)


I posted this week's tedious ramble (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43424.msg920811#msg920811) on the wrong thread. I blame Hawkmum.


Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Spikes on 29 June, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
Just when you think Simon Davis' art can't get any better..... lovely, lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: DrJomster on 01 July, 2016, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: Spikes on 29 June, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
Just when you think Simon Davis' art can't get any better..... lovely, lovely stuff.

Have to agree with this!

In other news, Brink has really won me over as it's progressed. Awesome colouring this week.

Thinking of colouring, it's working really well with Steve Yeowell's art too. Don't suppose we cold go back and colour Red Seas like this by any chance? :)

As for Dredd... Very nice indeed.

Good work droids!
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Goaty on 01 July, 2016, 10:43:33 PM
Why I feelings that Brink is [spoiler]some link to Brass Sun...? Maybe it was Wren's dream? [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: TordelBack on 01 July, 2016, 11:43:31 PM
Brink is powerfully tense and scary. Pick of the litter.
Grey Area gives us the promise of more Bitch, which is great.
Dredd is at the Dredd's-gang-meet-secretly-and-chat stage of almost all megaepics since DtLD. Needs to pick up the pace a bit, but still fun.
Slaine was going great until Slaine did his 'my strings are cut'  routine for what seems like the umpteenth time since Brutania began. I don't really get Slaine's prissiness re Macha - I thought he was a bit more enlightened thab thus. But lawks the art is lovely, and the revelation of Feg as Slaine's dad gets closer.
Black Shuck now adds 'confusing' to its list of crimes against my patience.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Greg M. on 01 July, 2016, 11:58:29 PM
Quote from: Tordelback on 01 July, 2016, 11:43:31 PM
I don't really get Slaine's prissiness re Macha - I thought he was a bit more enlightened thab thus.

It doesn't matter how enlightened and fundamentally feminist of persusasion you are - you still don't want to think of your ma on the job. Especially with someone who's not your dad. I'm sure Slaine intellectually accepts the premise of his mum as a liberated woman, but that's not quite the same.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: TordelBack on 02 July, 2016, 05:51:26 AM
Quote from: Greg M. on 01 July, 2016, 11:58:29 PM
It doesn't matter how enlightened and fundamentally feminist of persusasion you are - you still don't want to think of your ma on the job. Especially with someone who's not your dad.

To be sure, but enough to drop you to your knees in the middle of a battle?

Plus the ghost-Macha's last words to Slaine were: "get drunk more often, dance naked in the moonlight, enjoy life [...] for years burdened down by rules and responsibilities will pass by empty and thankless and become lost years". So it's not like he thought she was a nun.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 08 July, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
12 weeks of Slaine mopping about his mothers sex life an no mention of the double standard, where in Slaine and other men can sleep about as much as they like but at the slightest inclination Macha was in anyway sexually liberal she's a "whore".

::)
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: TordelBack on 08 July, 2016, 04:19:27 PM
I think Goddodin is a classic waddayacallit unreliable narrator, so I doubt we're supposed to agree with his politics. What I still don't understand is why thus bothers Slaine so much - he's met Macha's ghost as an adult, he's talked out the 'double standards' thing with Niamh at length, he's explored Christian hypocrisy towards women's sexuality, he's dealt at length with the capriciousness of the Goddess as maiden, mother and crone: he really shouldn't be so shocked.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 08 July, 2016, 04:24:09 PM
Simple, because the writings fucking shit!

I hate slagging off Pat Mills in such a base way, i'm not tired of his inability to write a chorerent story in the same way as I hold Frank Millar in a similar regard, i'm frustrated because I CAN love Mill's work. Charleys War, Nemesis The Warlock, Marshal Law. Classics all.

But modern Slaine? Utter turds.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Frank on 08 July, 2016, 05:44:39 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 08 July, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
12 weeks of Slaine mopping about his mothers sex life an no mention of the double standard, where in Slaine and other men can sleep about as much as they like but at the slightest inclination Macha was in anyway sexually liberal she's a "whore"

I've already discussed how weary I've become of Sláine literally being floored by an unkind word from Gododdin at the end of every other episode, but my reading of it is a little different to your own.

Sláine already knew his mum wasn't bound by Judeo-Christian sexual morality; it was the issue of his paternity (http://i.imgur.com/kP4zq71.png) that first led the boy MacNobody to take a knee, and I think it's the (very obvious) implications of Mummy MacRoth's power-fucking that have him Please, Please, Pleasing (https://youtu.be/vruy2GRUsV8?t=4m2s).

Yes, Luke, I am your father.


Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 08 July, 2016, 08:28:17 PM
To be honest, my beef with recent Slaine outings is as much to do with the shameless padding of insubstantial material as anything. The last couple of series have routinely had episodes averaging as few as three panels per page and relied on the fact that Davis has made them utterly gorgeous panels to get away with it. Twelve episodes that could have been told in six is, frankly, taking the piss a bit.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 July, 2016, 09:37:11 PM
Ever since Clint Langley started, Slaine has bee a thin excuse for beautiful pictures overlaid with Pat's commentary.

I stopped caring about the story and Slaine as a character decades ago (Leyser guns anyone?) but it's always been a showcase for some of the most beautiful pictures to grace the prog, and that's how I've always treated it - bollox with nice art.

I don't get annoyed at Pat - as far as I'm concerned, if 2000ad gave him a guaranteed 5 pages in every prog and he filled them wit absolute shit, he's earned that right for creating the damn thing in the first place.

Summary: Pat is sometimes shit and sometimes brilliant, but I'll give him more leeway than anybody else because he basically made the while thing possible.
Title: Re: Prog 1987 - Time's Arrow
Post by: Link Prime on 22 July, 2016, 07:25:45 PM
Been re-reading the current Dredd storyline in preparation for the final chapters.
Finally figured out what was annoying me about the Giant & Joyce introduction this Prog; they were already partnered together in 'The Grindstone Cowboys' Part 3 (Prog 1975).