And we're back...
Thank you bearing with us over the weekend I errm had to conduct a number of extramarital liaisons and by colleague had to visit some distant beauty spot NOT ermm for his wife's birthday but don't erm worry I will get rid of him in a few months anyway... but we are errr now ready to take your questions. And the first one is from... err let me see... Hopelessly drilled into asking a benign question of little consequence from Bolton. And they ermm ask. "Both Brett Ewins and Dave Gibbons have done some seriously seminal work in comics other than those done for Tharg. Should I consider these when voting?"
Well first can I say thank you for asking this. A truly excellent question, even though we can all by now rattle off the answer in moments ourselves. It errmmm gives me the opportunity to sound in control and to have some form of ermm intellect.
The answer is alas no. No one is more sad than I that we must not, MUST NOT think of either Watchmen, Skeemer, Green Lantern or indeed Johnny Nemo when voting here, but we must stick to this and only think of the work for Tharg to protect the NHS or some other rallying cry which every we are using this week.
I will now hand over to some sycophantic lackey who will basically just parrot what I say here about the Current tourney, but with a more data erm driven reasoning.
Alas we have to pick our favourite and to do so just pop the name of the art droid you'd most like to go through to the Quarter Finals, but please add anything else you'd like to say as well.
Brett Ewins - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=BRETTE)
OR
Dave Gibbons - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=DAVEG)
This one will close and be counted on the morning of Thursday 21st January
What the hell is all this? Current state of play Find out more about the Art Droid Tourneys and Round 2 (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47242.0)
Who made the 32 in both tourneys?
Entrants in the Current Art Droids Tourney (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47044.msg1042917#msg1042917)
Entrants in the Classic Art Droids Tourney (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47044.msg1042893#msg1042893)
Rules for what they are worth (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47242.msg1049293#msg1049293)
Anything else just ask and I'll make something up.
A very tough one... Brett's Bad Company, Haunting of Sector House 9 and Rogue Trooper work carry a lot of weight for me but I think I'll have to opt for Dave of Gibbons for this round.
Brett Ewins
Gibbons for me
Brett Ewins, as *ducks* I think Dave Gibbons' best work is outside of Tooth.
I'm gonna go for Brett Ewins as Bad Company was one of the first thrills I read.
Brett Ewins so hard
Punky, anarchic, futuristic. Brett Ewins' art embodies the 2000AD ethos for me, so he's my choice to progress.
Brett Ewins
Dave Gibbons.
Chrono-Cops alone almost swings it, but Ewins takes it for me, for embracing the feel of the comic and doing something different, despite rapidly diminishing returns later on.
Brett Ewins - Anderson covers in the late 400s and Bad Company
Brett gets my vote.
Got to love them both. For me it is criminal that Dave Gibbons didn't do more for 2000AD. And most of what he did do was before I started reading e.g. Harlem Heroes and Dan Dare.
So on the basis Brett did far more during my readership, I'm going for him.
Cyboons
The Terra-meks
Rogue Trooper
Chrono Cops.
Cummon people... it's Gibbons.
Quote from: BPP on 18 January, 2021, 02:42:47 PM
Cyboons
The Terra-meks
Rogue Trooper
Chrono Cops.
Cummon people... it's Gibbons.
That was pretty much what was going through my mind but it was still a really difficult one. There's a LOT of great stuff on Brett's side of things but it wasn't quite enough to tip things in his favour over Dave Gibbons.
A minor influencing factor was knowing that one of my childhood-favourite Future Shocks (The Last Man) was pretty much lifted panel-for-panel by Brett (see the Swipe File thread: https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?action=post;quote=816706;topic=39512.135;last_msg=1049199).
So haaaard... Gibbons' best work was away from the prog, but his work *in* the prog was fundamental in making it so great when I were a lad. Ewins did Bad Company, which should immediately guarantee him the medal. Um, er, um... Gibbons.
SBT
Gibbons
Dave Gibbons.
I actually struggled with this one. I love Bad Company and Brett's efforts on Dredd, but Gibbons art and contributions to Rogue Trooper (even War Machine) get him the win.
Lordy...
On the basis of who's collected editions I can reach from my current location without having to stand up I will say Dave Gibbons.
dave
Brett Ewins - all the way from here to Ararat.
Brett. His Dredd, Rogue and Bad Company combined beat even Dave's Rogue, Ro-Busters and Chronocops - and that's saying something. There's pages of Haunting of Sector House 9 that are among my favourite Dredd pages of all.
Dave Gibbons is amazing, of course, but as has been said before, for me his best stuff was done outside of the prog.
BAD Company arrived just as I was getting old enough to understand that the artwork of the prog was something special, and Brett's very sexy Anderson appeared as I began to notice something else I hadn't given much thought to before.
I didn't know at the time the tragic series of events that was contributing to the deterioration of his skill but when he was good he was very, very good.
I still draw, and indeed dress, in a way that owes a debt to Brett, so he wins it for me.
Brett Ewins
Dave Gibbons.
He's the definitive artist on Ro-Busters and with such a talent for drawing robots, it's a shame he didn't draw more of the episodes O'Neill or McMahon couldn't cover. Still, that Cyboons story is fantastic.
His art on Rogue Trooper was dynamic and atmospheric.
And then there are a load of fantastic one-offs. That first Doctor Dibworthy being a favourite.
Gibbons all the way.
Brett Ewans.
Anderson. Sector House 9. Bad Company.
I know there are reasons not to vote this way.
Gibbons for that iconic Rogue Trooper introduction. I know a lot of his stuff is outside the prog, but this intro was just so defining. Brett's Anderson and Bad Company were, for want of a better term, super good though.
Dave Gibbons.
Really hard, Chronocops is one of the best thing ever published in the prog, but the first series of Bad Company blew me away, so judging on prog work along, by a hairs-breadth it's Brett.
Think I know whose pulling most votes here, but its close so please if you haven't yet pop your vote in and I'll count up and annouce the winner in the morning.
VOTING CLOSED
Well wow that was close. These two are massive and much loved, between them they are responsible for some of the most iconic images the Prog has ever known. I've counted and recounted to be as sure as possible. At one point I thought this was going to be the first vote where I had to have the casting vote BUT in the end I make it
Brett Ewins
JUST into the quarter finals.
While we are on the topic, any consensus on how 'Ewins' is pronounced?
I always assumed YOU-ins, but could it be EEE-wins?
In a fit of whimsy, I am now also prepared to consider an eastern european style V for W sound substitution and go with EV-ins!
I believe it's pronounced Ewins, not Ewins.
I prefer Gibbons out of these two. I believe it's pronounced Gibbons.
Impossible choice - these two are so linked in my mind and you couldn't squeeze a Rizla between -em - but if forced to choose ... ummm ... Ewins
EDIT - bugger, too late, but my choice won!
Quote from: sixmo on 21 January, 2021, 12:02:46 PM
While we are on the topic, any consensus on how 'Ewins' is pronounced?
I always assumed YOU-ins, but could it be EEE-wins?
In a fit of whimsy, I am now also prepared to consider an eastern european style V for W sound substitution and go with EV-ins!
I always said You-ins but have no idea if that's right?
Quote from: Mister Pops on 21 January, 2021, 12:46:42 PM
I prefer Gibbons out of these two. I believe it's pronounced Gibbons.
I pronounced it Boll-and when I met him briefly at UKCAC '88, as in
"are you Brian Bolland?". The look on his face spoke volumes and I think he still remembers this one. Ah, the folly of youth! :)
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 21 January, 2021, 03:20:06 PM
Quote from: sixmo on 21 January, 2021, 12:02:46 PM
While we are on the topic, any consensus on how 'Ewins' is pronounced?
I always assumed YOU-ins, but could it be EEE-wins?
In a fit of whimsy, I am now also prepared to consider an eastern european style V for W sound substitution and go with EV-ins!
I always said You-ins but have no idea if that's right?
I said you - wins, and my brother said ee-wins. Lucky Ewan MacGregor never met the Ewoks in Star Wars.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 21 January, 2021, 03:51:50 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 21 January, 2021, 03:20:06 PM
Quote from: sixmo on 21 January, 2021, 12:02:46 PM
While we are on the topic, any consensus on how 'Ewins' is pronounced?
I always assumed YOU-ins, but could it be EEE-wins?
In a fit of whimsy, I am now also prepared to consider an eastern european style V for W sound substitution and go with EV-ins!
I always said You-ins but have no idea if that's right?
I said you - wins, and my brother said ee-wins. Lucky Ewan MacGregor never met the Ewoks in Star Wars.
Ha!
No idea how to pronounce it but it's an anagram of is
wines is new, swine.
Gibbons is another artist whose 2000AD work was before my time and while I like it, it's Cam Kennedy that I associate with Rogue Trooper.
For Gargarax and Bad Company and Anderson's arse and what happened to the Blish kid, it's got to be
Brett Ewins.
Quote from: ming on 21 January, 2021, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: Mister Pops on 21 January, 2021, 12:46:42 PM
I prefer Gibbons out of these two. I believe it's pronounced Gibbons.
I pronounced it Boll-and when I met him briefly at UKCAC '88, as in "are you Brian Bolland?". The look on his face spoke volumes and I think he still remembers this one. Ah, the folly of youth! :)
Uh, oh! Crisis of reality moment! So it's not Boll-and? Is it Bowl-and?
I mean in Ireland, Boland (with one L) is not completely uncommon, and it is pronounced Bowl-and. I just kind of assumed that the extra L was doing something in there. Not as much as some extra Ls in a Zenith beastie, but it must be doing something.
Dave Gibbons...