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Messages - Leigh S

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Games / Re: Gamebooks
« on: 03 November, 2021, 10:02:05 PM »
Doesnt Starship Traveller have a bad rep for (at least early printings) being impossible due to an error with the numbering/paragraphs?

Prog / Re: Prog 2256 - Total Excitement Overload.
« on: 30 October, 2021, 09:40:51 PM »
If they are random, it's crazy how they are the biggest sellers every time they ransomly hit the shelves

Books & Comics / Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« on: 19 October, 2021, 05:30:38 PM »
The problem with the original is hardly a new observation:


Difficult - you could argue Outlaw as Empire Strikes Back to Portrait's New Hope....

But Portrait just has that extra emotional heft

General / Re: FINAL!!!! - The Killing v Rage - Bolt-01 Cup
« on: 19 October, 2021, 04:54:23 PM »
Yeah, I'm convinced - The Killing!

Democracy isn't working...  :o :'( :)

Suggestions / Re: I loved the dummy issue zero of AD 2000...
« on: 15 October, 2021, 11:05:50 AM »
You'd think someone would ahve hadd a shot at it, wouldnt you?

You couldnt really print it anywhere I dont think, without the Great Magus's approval

Not seen anything on the interweb though.  Maybe it could be a Forum project?  Different artists for each panel?

My reasoning is sort of the opposite - if you had to remove one story from existence, which would it be? The Stront universe could remain entirely unaffected by removing "The Killing", but without Portrait, you dont have the New Britain background for Johnny's character - no Kreelman, no McNulty, no Torso from Newcastle.  You lose the motivating drive behind Alpha's quest to right wrongs.

I was on the train heading home from work today and found myself thinking about Strontium Dog, then this comp and my vote for Portrait (how weird is that...but what else is there to think about when starting blankly out a window to avoid making eye contact with the stranger facing you from two feet away). Anywho, I've decided if I could only read one of these stories ever again it would be the Killing. Not sure I can change my vote,  but there you have it.

Suggestions / Re: I loved the dummy issue zero of AD 2000...
« on: 14 October, 2021, 07:58:55 PM »
We know what the strips were meant to be, and we ahve the art for most of them.  But do we have a genuine copy of the dummy to use - was there even a dummy, or just lots of pages of story commissioned and the whole thing put on ice before the dummy could be put together?

I recall that Zarjaz is even more nebulous - the idea was to make a "more adult" 2000AD - perhaps to move in on the Warrior Territory - as far as I recall, other than Slaine (whose intended appearance in it is only known from the fact he was on the cover - hopefully Pat's book might tell us more, but I fear not).  ISTR reading it was going to ahve more "adult" versions of existing tales (Robo-Hunter being one named?)

We know for sure there were dummies for Earthside 8/Alternity, but I think their ownership is the nebulous bit given they didnt see print

General / Re: Outlaw v Rage - Bolt-01 Cup - SEMI-FINAL 1
« on: 14 October, 2021, 07:42:12 PM »
But by that measure, cna you fairly vote against it?

General / Re: Kiss My Axe! now available from Amazon
« on: 14 October, 2021, 11:25:20 AM »
Yeah that seems to me to be the crux of it, which is no ones fault.  Pat seems to be saying that part of that burn out was the sour taste of the "passive aggressive" silence, but admits at least that he was also putting her sunconsciously or not under a lot of pressure to deliver.

Angie made an indelible mark with that first story, it's true, and I suspect much of that would ahve been unbeknownst to even McManus and Smith, as it was all happening in the Mills household over a period of months and years - all we got to see was 6 or so pages of impressive art.  If it was then left to other artists such as McMahon and Bisley to run with the ball, that isnt their "fault".  It wasn;t as if the ball was forceably taken away?

Imagine if Carlos hadnt drawn another comic strip after creating Dredd, let alone another episode of Dredd itself - how much credit would he get for creating the strip? 

AS I type this a veery over priced copy of Brutania Chronicles vol 1 has just arrived from eBay, so I can finally have a reread of all those hatdbacks from Book of Invasions through to Dragontamer.. spraks the quetion a to whether Angie was asked back to do anything for the Book of Scars?

General / Re: Kiss My Axe! now available from Amazon
« on: 14 October, 2021, 08:55:17 AM »
There's a good chunk of it in the preview, which I read last night.  I'll definitely be getting the print version, but Pat's habit of assigning ulterior motives to actions remains as wearing as ever.  I could just as easily say Pat only wound up Slaine in the progs to give publicity to this book - that's nonsense of course, but you do get a lot of similar "supposition as fact" in the preview:

The other artists stonewalled Pat and Angie because they were jealous.  Maybe that's true - Maybe the silence from other creators with regards Angie's art was because they just didn't think to comment, or they were being polite?  I'm not sure they owed them their praise? In a pre-internet age, where would they have expressed theit admiration?

The only real place to expect feedback is McManus and Smith (Robin), which the preview cuts off before we get to, so I'll be interested in what the beef was with Smith in particular, with the required pinch of salt given previous recollections in "Be Pure" were chronologically as sound as the ABC Warriors Timeline.

I've always been interested in why Angie didnt do more than that first story - it looks like it was a long process - could she not achieve that quality of art week in week out?   Was he not given the opportunity to try?  Was she dispirited by the wall of silence Pat refers to? 

It's a shame she didnt, because for a first attempt at comics, it's very impressive - as Pat rightly points out, the character design work is especially strong, not only on Slaine and Ukko, but the skull swords and the world in general.

The other conspiracy Pat sees is the "comic snobs" gate keeping typified by Nick Landau's bigging up of certain "comic book" style artists over "illustrative" artists like Angie.  There's some truth to that, though naming Carlos as one of those favoured Comic book style artists undermines his argument when I look at the most egregious gap in the Titan books on my shelf - what I would have given for a full Ezquerra Strontium Dog run of Titan books.

At the end of the day, Landau didnt owe 2000AD creators "equal treatment" - it was his company, he printed the stuff he liked.  That was probably to his own detriment, sure.  At most that was infortunate for all concerned, including Landau himself, but I don't see any grand Conspiracy behind it. 

Just as in his comics, Pat knows who to entertain and infuriate in equal measure!

Suggestions / Re: I loved the dummy issue zero of AD 2000...
« on: 13 October, 2021, 10:18:55 PM »
Not sure there is a JD fortnightly or Zarjaz mock up (certainly the Zarjaz I thought didnnt really have any content "commissioned"?

Earthside 8 I;d be interested in, but do Rebellion own it?

Hmm - Barrington makes a great point about The Killing - it is much more quintessentially "Strontium Dog" than the war story / childhood trauma of Portrait. 

But even given that, this was the first Stront story I read in full (missed the first part of Bad Boys Bust)  and it make me a life long fan.  It does have enough bad assery from adult Alpha for me - Eggheads cracking and "that" end.... "Please, don't let me die...."  Along with one of 2000ADs all time great panels (the Disbanded Kreelers as the new Police is one of 2000ADs most on point political messages)....

The Killing is great fun and a superb high concept (I also wonder where it sits in the "Fortnite" timeline!)

But overall, i cannot deny my vote to Portrait of a Mutant for the depth of character, world building and messaging. 

General / Re: Outlaw v Rage - Bolt-01 Cup - SEMI-FINAL 1
« on: 12 October, 2021, 03:16:32 PM »
(and not to inflame the thread, but "Because I hate you" is a great moment but... not a great line..


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