Well I guess it makes sense to have a thread about all this guff. Its amazing when you consider my feverish enthusiasm for the Nu52 relaunch only 5 years ago compared to my more... shall we say lack lustre interest in the lastest stuff.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/wondercon-dc-unveils-its-rebirth-creative-teams (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/wondercon-dc-unveils-its-rebirth-creative-teams)
DC have all but lost me over those intervening 5 years, but thats more to do with my over all change in tastes rather than anything specific to do with them. In fact I'd still call Nu52 a pretty big success, for the best part of 5 years they had considerably increased sales and the sales in the industry over all have been up, certainly in part (I'd guess a considerable part) due to their relaunch and associated interest in comics it generated. Marvel's push back, particularly with their Star Wars stuff has 'forced' DC into its next move and we'll see how well another denied relaunch goes.
As for my interest... not that anyone should care, but that never stopped me. Well...
There's a couple of books by Dan Abnett, Titans which with Brett Booth on art I'll be passing and Aquaman which I might check out. Rob Williams Suicide Squad might have pulled me in, but for the art team.
Have to be honest the one book that does peaks my interest is Hellblazer. I was a big fan of Simon Oliver's FBP and Moritat is a perfect choice on art. I'll see if owt else seems interesting when more details are out. Given that I currently only get one DC book, which not surprisingly isn't surviving if I do end up with 2 books then that's a win for DC!
You can almost feel the desperation, can't you?
In light of this and my over all distaste for NU52 I will be the first to admit Williams on SS might actually get me buying a DC book for the first time in 5 years.
I don't think you can really call the Nu52 a success when they're already having a threeboot to replace it, but I'm more optimistic about the threeboot than I was for the Nu52, even if Dan DiDio doesn't seem to share the enthusiasm if that interview he gave with Newsarama where he looked like he was being questioned about a missing child rather than a product launch is any indicator. The company has - with their West Coast move - cleaned house of a lot of the thwarted-creator middle-managers that Alan Grant, Warren Ellis and even Rob Liefeld were complaining about as far back as the early 2000s and who were most likely responsible for derailing attempts at retooling or rebooting titles over the intervening years, so there's a good chance that something might actually stick with this threeboot. We'll see, I guess.
Neil Googe on Flash art looks like it might be interesting, unfortunately I refuse to buy a Barry Allen Flash book made this side of the millennium #NotMyFlash, although Dan Jurgens on Batman Beyond may very well be an essential purchase, as Jurgens is criminally overlooked for his operatic superhero epics (his Thor run with JRJR is brilliant) as well as his enthusiastic sci-fi world-building. Not sure if Bernard Chang is a good aesthetic choice for artist, but I put that down to me subconsciously probably wanting Jurgens to draw it as well, and I'm willing to overlook that the title seems to completely ignore Future's End and returns to the Terry McGinnis version of the character, because after a year of reading Future's End only to be fucked over in the final stretch, I wish I'd ignored it, too.
Blue Beetle has a solid creative team, but they're still pushing the Jaime Reyes Guyver/Iron Man version of the character rather than the campy Ted Kord: Billionaire Adventurer version, so that's probably a pass #NotMyBlueBeetle.
Dabnett and Booth's Titans sounds good, but the property being cursed with a revolving door of creative teams, reboots and relaunches means I'd want to see it get a couple of years of issues out there before I'd trust it, plus Tim Drake as Red Robin: I'm sorry, but no. Always no.
Quote from: Professor Wolfgang Von Bear on 27 March, 2016, 02:03:46 PM
... as Jurgens is criminally overlooked for his operatic superhero epics...
Nice to know there is something we agree on, though not fussed about Batman Beyond.
Unless the Dog Welder is there, I'm oot.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 27 March, 2016, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: Professor Wolfgang Von Bear on 27 March, 2016, 02:03:46 PM
... as Jurgens is criminally overlooked for his operatic superhero epics...
Nice to know there is something we agree on, though not fussed about Batman Beyond.
I'm tempted by his
Action Comics, as it's going twice-monthly alongside Pete Tomasi's bi-weekly
Superman, which is probably as close to the Superbook-a-week triangle-logo era where Jurgens, Ordway and Simonson defined the modern Superman as we're likely to get. Not sure about the "no underpants no boots" Supes costume, though, as if they're going to keep drifting the design in that direction I'd rather they just brought back Electric Superman and be done with it.
Well have to say there's a few covers there that I'm impressed with.
Having read the blurb think I'll give Dan Abnett's Aquaman a try... fingers crossed!
I am always surprised when Aquaman turns out to be one of the good comics out there. For a long time was a warm corner of the Nu-DCU, building a different but familiar world in all the right ways.
I've yet to read an Abnett comic I disliked so will be checking those out. The rest? maybe just Wonder Woman, probably check out Action due to Jurgens.
Oh and again #notmyflash. The Flash on TV is basically Wally West in character + Barry Allen in job and name. Just change the name and I'd be fine stop ruining things Geoff Johns.
Whilst there may be some books I am interested in, I am tired of DC Comics' reboots.
There was the 1986 one, the minor clean-up in 1994 (Zero Hour?), at least one between 2000 and 2010. And then 2011. Now this one, too.
I can't invest long-term like I can with Dredd. What if there's another "this time it'll be the last one" reboot in 2020? Or 2025?
That said, I am sure I'll pick up a book or two. Always interested in Superman if the writers and artists are good.
Arh ya bollocksy bastard I wasn't trying to get drawn into all this nonsense but just read the bits of blurb that have come out about he titles and a couple more have peaked my interest.
Greg Rucka back on Wonder Woman was always always going to be a draw as I liked his first run on the character, who I've got a real soft spot for and for some reason this blurb has drawn me in.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/11/the-continuity-of-wonder-woman-to-be-made-sense-of-dc-rebirth-details/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/11/the-continuity-of-wonder-woman-to-be-made-sense-of-dc-rebirth-details/)
And funnily enough with the conversation over at another thread the fact that it seems Lex Luthor is the led on Dan Jurgans Action Comics has pulled me in. Well it worked last time so...
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/11/lex-luthor-the-man-who-beat-superman-in-action-comics-details-for-dc-rebirth/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/11/lex-luthor-the-man-who-beat-superman-in-action-comics-details-for-dc-rebirth/)
The blurb on Aquaman is enough to swing me there too... and with Hellblazer that makes 4 (hope they are not all twice monthly mind!)
Loads more info over at Bleeding Cool (and elsewhere I assume).
Phew the whole Lex Luthor thing seems to have been an aside so that's off the list and Aquaman is beginning to sound slightly less interesting. Maybe DC isn't going to to do another shake down on me this time... Good job cos the idea of two books of a title a month was a little much.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/19/dc-comics-full-july-2016-solicits-has-doctor-fate-survived-the-rebirth/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/19/dc-comics-full-july-2016-solicits-has-doctor-fate-survived-the-rebirth/)
Shelly Bond is leaving Vertigo. I hear she is a great editor, so don't know what is happening there.
Quote from: Old Tankie on 25 April, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Shelly Bond is leaving Vertigo. I hear she is a great editor, so don't know what is happening there.
DC's current editor is a habitual sex offender. The biggest reason why, despite curiosity, I will not be buying any Rebirth books and buy reprints through second had sources.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/comics-toxic-heritage-strikes-again-as-dc-editor-named-as-sexual-harasser/
Wow! You learn something new every day.
I am a bit troubled by talk that 'no woman will work in the superman office' being an actual thing.
....
What Would Superman Do?
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 25 April, 2016, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: Old Tankie on 25 April, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Shelly Bond is leaving Vertigo. I hear she is a great editor, so don't know what is happening there.
DC's current editor is a habitual sex offender. The biggest reason why, despite curiosity, I will not be buying any Rebirth books and buy reprints through second had sources.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/comics-toxic-heritage-strikes-again-as-dc-editor-named-as-sexual-harasser/
I remember that Greg Rucka demanded that if he's gonna work again under DC (I mean his recent return to WW) he need to be sure he'll not be working with some editor, so I guess it was all about this guy?
Bizarrely, I only knew of the name Eddie Berganza because years ago on the Occasional Superheroine blog, Valerie D'Orazio was defending him against claims of sexism - though in retrospect, the defence was pretty much "he has a daughter and a mother, how could he possibly hate women?"
Yeah Eddie Berganza sounds like an absolute horrorbag and has been through what is apparently Warner Brother 'rigourus' HR disciplinary procedures and had to do all sorts. Still a little shocking and for an age that he still holds such a high profile position. He was kept anyway from public facing activity and its sounds like (well rumour has it) he won't be going to Comic Con as all this has been unearthed.
That said its unrelated to Shelly Bond losing her job, which by all accounts is a crying shame. Again the rumour mongers have it she won't be without a job for long BUT has relocated to Burbank and as such moved a young family to have this happen to her.
On a selfish note I worry for some of the excellent books she's fostered, specifically Unfollow.
Yeah, moving someone to the opposite coast knowing full well you're going to fire them the second their contractual protections expire is a shitheel move.
I was under the impression Shelly Bond was one of the members of the DC staff who filed (very vocal and none discreet) complaints about Berganza back in 2010, and several times since, and now SOMETHING has broken the camels back and she decided to leave the toxic snake house. Probably for the better.
I could be completely wrong however, and we have very active members in the comic book creating circle here who are probably more clued up than I am.
My understanding, but this is just from what I've read about this is the two aren't connected and she just counting the cost of not turning Vertigo's sales around - which when you consider the quality of a number of the comcis that haven't made it is real shame. It was always an up hill struggle.
Theres spoilers floating around utterly baffling spoilers try to avoid them!
I read them, as they just popped into my news feed. Rather interesting to say the least.
I wasn't going to buy the Rebirth issue, but I had to know.
Two things, 1 apparently optimism is back in a big way. 2, DC sure knows how to court controversy for no particular reason.
Cautiously optimistic? If they would just give me a Legion* title, I'd happily support them again.
*LoSH, or L.E.G.I.O.N even, I'm not picky!
Well they wen there. Didn't think they'd do that but as a story telling tool having.... that particular character around... is useful I guess.
As the return of one of my old favourites should excit me a lot more than it does but maybe I'm done with it all... lets see if I break...
I'm sorry, someone fill me in i've missed something!
Just pop to Bleeding Cool that will tell you all you need to know IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SPOILERS DON'T
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/20/warning-dc-universe-rebirth-1-spoilers-leak-on-reddit-and-you-wont-believe-dc-comics-has-gone-there/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/20/warning-dc-universe-rebirth-1-spoilers-leak-on-reddit-and-you-wont-believe-dc-comics-has-gone-there/)
Well thats...urm...a thing thats happening. Still not sold on Rebirth but from an outsiders POV this could be interesting!
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 21 May, 2016, 09:09:24 AM
Well thats...urm...a thing thats happening. Still not sold on Rebirth but from an outsiders POV this could be interesting!
Yeah but from another POV lets just wait for the RAGGGGGEEEEEEE hey...
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 21 May, 2016, 09:25:03 AM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 21 May, 2016, 09:09:24 AM
Well thats...urm...a thing thats happening. Still not sold on Rebirth but from an outsiders POV this could be interesting!
Yeah but from another POV lets just wait for the RAGGGGGEEEEEEE hey...
Well that one article features more vitriol at Moore's expense than i've seen in quite awhile. Never read the comments section kids!
I stopped paying attention to the vitriol aimed at Moore long ago, as I've seen precious little in the way of substantive criticism of Moore's work. It took a while for me to realise that this was because such a thing involves reasoned argument and difficult discussions about the ingrained attitudes and conservatism of the industry, creators, and fans - much easier to just say Moore is obsessed with rape and a hypocrite and to keep repeating it until it becomes the consensus.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 21 May, 2016, 05:25:56 AM1 apparently optimism is back in a big way.
Like DC Rebirth, DC have pulled this one before, when they said Brightest Day was the return to the happy, fun DC that fans wanted - and then the very first page of the introductory miniseries was the image of a baby bird with its brains dashed across a gravestone.
Can't we just have some decent, fun superhero stories?
Quote from: Professor Bear on 21 May, 2016, 12:07:31 PM
I stopped paying attention to the vitriol aimed at Moore long ago, as I've seen precious little in the way of substantive criticism of Moore's work. It took a while for me to realise that this was because such a thing involves reasoned argument and difficult discussions about the ingrained attitudes and conservatism of the industry, creators, and fans - much easier to just say Moore is obsessed with rape and a hypocrite and to keep repeating it until it becomes the consensus.
The problem is the opposite side of the argument rages just as strongly. That Alan Moore is a deity amongst man, that anything he's said and wrote is gospel and anyone who dares utter even a question against this is a sad silly fan boy who hasn't grown up and will never understand comics properly.
Somewhere between the two the sensible middle ground - that he is a very good comics writer who is as capable as anyone of having a creative misstep and speaking tosh and nonsense on occasion amongst all the sense and insight he provides - gets lost.
Again, there's a discussion to be had, but it's not going to happen in the hyperbolic clickbait tongue of the web. When even GMozz has descended to making a one-sided internet argument with some of Moore's quotes from a decade earlier that amounts to "NO, U", it's probably best to just walk away.
Hands up if you had zero interest in DC Rebirth 1 before today, yet added it to your order for next week based on all this bullshit.
(Gingerly raises hand)
God damn it.
*raises hand*
When just one hateful commentroll gives me one ten-thousandth of the joy and fascination that Alan Moore has for more than 30 years, I'll pay attention to their repetitive bleating. As Colin says, just a flawed man like the rest of us, but his account with me is heavily in credit.
See also: Pat Mills, George Lucas.
Compare and contrast the volume and enthusiasm of the vitriol aimed at Moore and that aimed at comics creators outed as wife-beaters or homophobes. There's something off there.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 22 May, 2016, 09:56:30 AM
Compare and contrast the volume and enthusiasm of the vitriol aimed at Moore and that aimed at comics creators outed as wife-beaters or homophobes. There's something off there.
Boom! :lol:
And, i'll be honest, I won't be buying anything DC Reboot related, not even the Ostrander/Williams Suicide Squad stuff or the DABnett Aquaman material, let alone this. Heck I feel bad enough giving DC my miney for Future Quest!
Quote from: Tordelback on 22 May, 2016, 09:29:58 AM
Alan Moore (is) just a flawed man like the rest of us, but his account with me is heavily in credit. See also: Pat Mills, George Lucas.
There's an interesting study to be done on the correlation between fans who turn on their childhood idols and people who never got over the teenage phase where you decide your parents are arseholes.
DC are trolling Moore now, but installing his most notable superhero creation as [spoiler]the creator of the DC Universe[/spoiler] does nothing to counter his assertion they are stripmining his work because they haven't had a single new idea in the last thirty years.
[spoiler]Only a serial womanizer like Dr Manhattan could create a universe so massively sexist.[/spoiler]
IT ALL MAKES SENSE :o
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 22 May, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
[spoiler]Only a serial womanizer like Dr Manhattan could create a universe so massively sexist.[/spoiler]
IT ALL MAKES SENSE :o
I thought he was womanising in parallel rather than in series?
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 22 May, 2016, 10:19:03 AM
Heck I feel bad enough giving DC my miney for Future Quest!
Arh but good comics (and this is a very good comic) need support whomever produces them.
"--traveled back in time and ejaculated into the primordial soup" is actually a Family Guy joke about Gil Gerard, so at least DC have finally stopped stealing their ideas exclusively from old Alan Moore stories.
Quote from: Tordelback on 22 May, 2016, 11:05:53 AM
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 22 May, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
[spoiler]Only a serial womanizer like Dr Manhattan could create a universe so massively sexist.[/spoiler]
IT ALL MAKES SENSE :o
I thought he was womanising in parallel rather than in series?
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So, there are 2 Wally's now?
Quote from: Dreddzilla on 26 May, 2016, 05:07:08 AM
So, there are 2 Wally's now?
And they're related!
I spotted a Legion Flight Ring! Three american dollars well spent!
Quote from: Dreddzilla on 26 May, 2016, 05:23:02 AM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 May, 2016, 05:18:11 AM
Quote from: Dreddzilla on 26 May, 2016, 05:07:08 AM
So, there are 2 Wally's now?
And they're related!
Wait, are you serious?
Uh. Yeah, I think that's what it spelled out. Wally 2 is Wally 1's Father's brother's son. They both happened to be named after the same Great Grandfather.
Not the most elegant solution to protect both characters.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 May, 2016, 05:27:51 AM
Quote from: Dreddzilla on 26 May, 2016, 05:23:02 AM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 May, 2016, 05:18:11 AM
Quote from: Dreddzilla on 26 May, 2016, 05:07:08 AM
So, there are 2 Wally's now?
And they're related!
Wait, are you serious?
Uh. Yeah, I think that's what it spelled out. Wally 2 is Wally 1's Father's brother's son. They both happened to be named after the same Great Grandfather.
Not the most elegant solution to protect both characters.
:lol:
Also of course dependent on who you call Wally 1 and Wally 2 - I mean who is my Wally, 1 or 2, who is nuWally 1 or 2. Of course is new Wally (either 1 or 2) or my Wally, as in the Wally I love... oh I'm confused...
Mainly over the fact I don't care. I'll stick with all the glorious Wally stories I have I guess.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 May, 2016, 05:27:51 AM
Quote from: Dreddzilla on 26 May, 2016, 05:23:02 AM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 May, 2016, 05:18:11 AM
Quote from: Dreddzilla on 26 May, 2016, 05:07:08 AM
So, there are 2 Wally's now?
And they're related!
Wait, are you serious?
Uh. Yeah, I think that's what it spelled out. Wally 2 is Wally 1's Father's brother's son. They both happened to be named after the same Great Grandfather.
Not the most elegant solution to protect both characters.
I never realised that NuWally was so popular that DC can't afford to lose him!
He must have made a real impact in the last couple of years. Those stories about him must really have been something.
The only DC comic I read these days is Batman (the Scott Snyder, New 52 Batman), so I had a look at this Rebirth stuff on Comixology and couldn't figure out what I should be buying.
Confusingly there looked to be a comic called BATMAN REBIRTH, and another separate title called something very similar (DC REBIRTH BATMAN maybe?).
Anyone know what the difference is and which one I should be reading if I just want to keep reading the main Batman canon?
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I never realised that NuWally was so popular that DC can't afford to lose him!
He must have made a real impact in the last couple of years. Those stories about him must really have been something.
He's on the telly show isn't he?
DC have long told us they don't let tv shows dictate the content of their books.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 26 May, 2016, 02:13:50 PM
DC have long told us they don't let tv shows dictate the content of their books.
And you believe that twaddle?
Yeah....the new supergirl rebirth is pretty much stealing the city and premise of the tv show
Is Arrow introducing Black Canary though?
Quote from: The monarch on 27 May, 2016, 08:58:27 PM
Yeah....the new supergirl rebirth is pretty much stealing the city and premise of the tv show
The Supergirl stuff was forced on DC by corporate - DC's plan was to cancel the book and not even have a digital-only tie-in.
Green Arrow is my favorite of this weeks rebirth, followed by Batman, Superman and lastly Green Lanterns
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 26 May, 2016, 10:01:50 AM
The only DC comic I read these days is Batman (the Scott Snyder, New 52 Batman), so I had a look at this Rebirth stuff on Comixology and couldn't figure out what I should be buying.
Wikipedia has this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Rebirth#.22Batman.22
You want all star "promise its not miller this time" batman thats gonna be snyders new batman title
Well whatever we think about it, its shooting out the blocks!
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/08/dc-comics-already-reprints-aquaman-flash-wonder-woman-action-and-detective/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/08/dc-comics-already-reprints-aquaman-flash-wonder-woman-action-and-detective/)
I think last weeks have gone to reprint already too.
Quote from: Pyroxian on 01 June, 2016, 03:43:43 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 26 May, 2016, 10:01:50 AM
The only DC comic I read these days is Batman (the Scott Snyder, New 52 Batman), so I had a look at this Rebirth stuff on Comixology and couldn't figure out what I should be buying.
Wikipedia has this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Rebirth#.22Batman.22
Quote from: The monarch on 01 June, 2016, 06:26:04 PM
You want all star "promise its not miller this time" batman thats gonna be snyders new batman title
Thanks, that'll help!
I think i'm going to check out maybe the batman and superman titles. Didn't think I would as getting bit tired of these constant Marvel/DC title relaunches but I have been hearing good things about rebirth. :)
Read Wonder Woman. Love Liam Sharp's art, but the writing isn't the best. Diana reads like a broken record, on and on about "lies/truth" (as if there where some magic universal law separating the two). Also went great lengths to drag on about the origins, as if they're really that different besides which god or gods who happened to show up when Hippolyta fashioned a playdough baby. Also felt as if it read more into the misconceptions of the Azzarello/Chiang run rather than the story itself. Sharp has said he loved their run, so perhaps it's just some meta story stuff. Regardless, for me the writing is a bit lacking. Still hoping it'll be good. Gonna give it a couple of more issues.
I've also eyed Tom King's Batman. Eyed, not to say enjoyed. Still Batman riding a plane on a crash course and asking Alfred "Is this a good death?" isn't something I read every day, and certainly something I'd like to see more of. But I'm not very sold on the art (David Finch isn't my cup of tea).
Quite interesting to see the old continuity mean so much to lots of readers. Hope it helps DC to pick up sales wise.
I'm quite interested in Suicide squad, since Rob Williams is writing it. Can't go wrong with him :)
Gave The Flintstones a go.
If I gave you my general impressions, you would probably go "oh here he goes trying to read some leftfield meaning into a perfectly straightforward children's comic", so instead I will simply describe what unfolds:
By page 7 Fred and Barney are at a veterans' group as one of their friends is in tears describing how he murdered a village of innocent people by setting fire to the trees they lived in, and how even now he sees their dead bodies. This is presented as a joke.
Fred is supposed to be showing some new workers - cavemen with no concept of civilisation - a good time so that they stay on at the quarry where Fred works and he'll get a promotion, and the joke is that instead of seeing strip club boobies, they hear about a genocide.
Later, Fred takes the cavemen to a boxing match where they are appalled by the brutality and spouts of blood flying off the fighters. After the fight, a humorous scene unfolds in the background as the losing fighter is fed to pterodactyls who rips strips of his flesh off, while the victor gives praise to Marp, the pagan deity that watches over Bedrock and all its people.
Later, one of the caveman cries over a deflated balloon. Fred asks his friend why he's crying and is told "he's never had to deal with death before."
The cavemen eventually leave Bedrock after one of their friends is killed at a party after being goaded into a drunken display of bravado by Fred's overbearing boss. As they go, they lament that "civilisation" is simply a way to get other people to do your killing for you.
During the party, Fred's boss meditates on the nature of fate, and - ridiculing the idea of an afterlife - how the massive stone sign above his quarry that bears his name may be the only thing that will endure the ages, while the many deaths Fred saw or committed during the wars would be as forgotten as Fred himself. He smiles and thanks Fred for his service in the war.
Wilma's primitive attempts at art are ridiculed by the intelligentsia of Bedrock when displayed in a museum, and she reveals them to Fred to be replications of the handprints her tribe placed upon the cave walls of her now-distant home on the day they became classified as human beings, children having no status in her tribe, and just as she made her mark on the walls of her home and "became someone", so too does she try to make her mark here in Bedrock in the only primitive way she understands - by replicated the primitive rituals and images of her childhood before she was sold to Fred.
In the present day, the caveman who perished at the party is displayed in a museum, perfectly preserved. he is a curiosity to be gawked at - the only proof of an advanced stone age civilisation that once existed in what is now known as Bedrock Valley, all other evidence of this civilisation having been wiped from the face of the Earth. The final image is of the museum at night, a close shot of the caveman in the darkness, his final expression of terror captured for eternity.
I am making none of this up.
:o
Prof Bear, your posts are a major highlight of this forum. This one no exception. In the welcome absence of the tyrannical Like button, I express my appreciation.
Sounds like a good comic.
Based on Prof Bear's recommendation I just downloaded Flintstones 1. Don't really know what to say, other than WTF! His description is, if anything underselling this curio; I have no idea who this comic is ained at and I cannot believe a single person picking up a Flintstones comic would expect or welcome what they got.
It is sold as a Teens and over comic including swearing etc.
Utterly, utterly bizarre.
I just did the same thing. I'm imagining people buying this for their kids and those kids being seriously confused. Swearing, racism and immigration, war and genocide, art and the search for meaning, all with talking dinosaurs.
Thought it was great though. I read it with the cartoon voices in my head
Great!
I enjoyed the Scooby Doo APOCALYPSE first issue as well but it was nothing compared to this :)
Yep you fella's 'tricked'me into getting this comics - well you folks and a couple of other reviews and like Wacky Races its an utter wonder. Is it a good comic... not sure BUT I'd suggest if I took the famous brands off this I'd be lauding them as imaginative wonders like nothing else on the market.
The reality ... well you defo can't say DC isn't trying something new and as such should be lauded. I'll be back for issue two and what I will say os whatever becomes of the series (well certainly Flintstones and Wacky Races) in years to come, whether hailed as classics or abysmal abuses of comics licenses they will be talked about. Yes sir they will and for that alone I'm along for what I suspect will be a very interesting ride!
Oh and meant to also say the Steve Pugh art is a forgotten delight in all the 'wacky'.
If you try only One DC Rebirth title, or are on the fence of trying any, you can't do worse then this week's SUPERWOMAN by Phil Jimenez. Its just a solid piece of super-hero storytelling. and as someone who hasn't read any Rebirth (well, the first Rebirth one-shot, but that doesn't really matter here) or even any New 52 titles leading into Rebirth, it was very accessible.
Just a really really REALLY good super-hero comic. I think I'll be following it for a while.
I tried Dan Abnett's Titans title, since it was Abnett and I like a couple of the characters. Unfortunately, having only a passing knowledge of the current DC status quo, I found it quite inaccessible, so I won't be coming back for #2. On the other hand, I found the Chinese-set New Super-Man - about an asshole who gets Superman-like powers - quite easy to get into. Not blow-you-away amazing by any means, but different enough in terms of setting, with a fairly light tone, and seemingly not requiring any special DC knowledge to follow.
I've tried a few DC titles since the re-launch;
Rebirth one-shot; I was lost in a few places, but it read quite well. Not sure about the Watchmen stuff, but hey- it had me curious enough to pick this up.
Scooby Apocalypse; First issue was fun enough, but it didn't make the cut.
Batman by Tom King; I actually had no intention of collecting it, but wanted to try it out. First two were grand, nothing special. Cut.
Wonder Woman; I was initially drawn to this due to the fact Liam Sharp would be providing the art (well, 50% of it). Four issues in, and it's good, but not great. Finger hovering over 'cut' button.
All-Star Batman; Just read the first issue last night. Solid stuff from Snyder & Romita Jnr. This will likely end up being my only mainstream DC title.
As for Vertigo; I'm still following Unfollow, but have dropped Lucifer after issue 7. It just doesn't stand up to the Mike Carey run.
Quoted in full in case you missed it:
Quote from: Professor Bear on 10 July, 2016, 02:44:35 AM
Gave The Flintstones a go.
If I gave you my general impressions, you would probably go "oh here he goes trying to read some leftfield meaning into a perfectly straightforward children's comic", so instead I will simply describe what unfolds:
By page 7 Fred and Barney are at a veterans' group as one of their friends is in tears describing how he murdered a village of innocent people by setting fire to the trees they lived in, and how even now he sees their dead bodies. This is presented as a joke.
Fred is supposed to be showing some new workers - cavemen with no concept of civilisation - a good time so that they stay on at the quarry where Fred works and he'll get a promotion, and the joke is that instead of seeing strip club boobies, they hear about a genocide.
Later, Fred takes the cavemen to a boxing match where they are appalled by the brutality and spouts of blood flying off the fighters. After the fight, a humorous scene unfolds in the background as the losing fighter is fed to pterodactyls who rips strips of his flesh off, while the victor gives praise to Marp, the pagan deity that watches over Bedrock and all its people.
Later, one of the caveman cries over a deflated balloon. Fred asks his friend why he's crying and is told "he's never had to deal with death before."
The cavemen eventually leave Bedrock after one of their friends is killed at a party after being goaded into a drunken display of bravado by Fred's overbearing boss. As they go, they lament that "civilisation" is simply a way to get other people to do your killing for you.
During the party, Fred's boss meditates on the nature of fate, and - ridiculing the idea of an afterlife - how the massive stone sign above his quarry that bears his name may be the only thing that will endure the ages, while the many deaths Fred saw or committed during the wars would be as forgotten as Fred himself. He smiles and thanks Fred for his service in the war.
Wilma's primitive attempts at art are ridiculed by the intelligentsia of Bedrock when displayed in a museum, and she reveals them to Fred to be replications of the handprints her tribe placed upon the cave walls of her now-distant home on the day they became classified as human beings, children having no status in her tribe, and just as she made her mark on the walls of her home and "became someone", so too does she try to make her mark here in Bedrock in the only primitive way she understands - by replicated the primitive rituals and images of her childhood before she was sold to Fred.
In the present day, the caveman who perished at the party is displayed in a museum, perfectly preserved. he is a curiosity to be gawked at - the only proof of an advanced stone age civilisation that once existed in what is now known as Bedrock Valley, all other evidence of this civilisation having been wiped from the face of the Earth. The final image is of the museum at night, a close shot of the caveman in the darkness, his final expression of terror captured for eternity.
I am making none of this up.
He isn't you know.
based on this review I picked up a copy of this while visiting Orbital comics at the weekend - It is just as mad as the prof describes and I honestly don't know what kind of comic they're trying to make here. Not a fun one that's for sure.
I'm looking for some positives: the whole "I wasn't a human being till my handprint was on the wall" is a nice idea, no doubt lifted from some genuine tribal folklore. The best thing is the cover gag - Fred & Wilma (in this new, weird realistic-looking depiction) take a selfie by holding up a camera with a small bird on the back who pecks out the image - the gag is that the image is of Fred & Wilma as they look in the cartoons. Oh and "shellphone" was quite funny.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 11 August, 2016, 01:36:44 PMThe best thing is the cover gag
Just realised I ended up with an alternate cover - and visual gags are never funny when described, so ...
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/anaconda888/flintstones_zpsf3rcbeui.gif)