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Funt Solo:

--- Quote from: CalHab on 13 October, 2021, 09:42:40 AM ---Meanwhile, the UK government's Coronavirus response is deemed the worst public health failure in history and it barely gets traction in the news cycle. I understand the coronavirus fatigue, but tens of thousands dying unnecessarily as a result of poor decisions seems kind of important.

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Right. Time has moved on and nobody has the energy to care - partly because we all know that the government would be in charge of investigating itself, so the result would be a finding that they didn't do badly after all.

Like, Priti Patel was found to be a bully. Result: keeps her job with the absolute backing and support of Boris "The Johnson" Johnson.

Or, the Tories hire a racist non-white man to write a report finding that there's no institutional racism in the UK, just lazy black people. You think I'm exaggerating, but go and read a summary.

Or - China imprisons, enslaves and sterilizes an entire ethnic region and then sells us the by-products (hair and jeans), and what do a bunch of us do? Spend our entire time metaphorically wanking ourselves silly over conspiracy theories about a secret elite who are trying to control our lives. While wearing jeans. That's the thing that irritates me the most about the foil hats - there are *real* conspiracies - you don't need to make them up.

milstar:

--- Quote from: Funt Solo on 18 October, 2021, 11:17:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: CalHab on 13 October, 2021, 09:42:40 AM ---Or - China imprisons, enslaves and sterilizes an entire ethnic region and then sells us the by-products (hair and jeans), and what do a bunch of us do?

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Yes, well, they have nearly every animal on their menu. Plus, they'll start banning shows with effeminate men. What a bloody country.
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JayzusB.Christ:

--- Quote from: Funt Solo on 18 October, 2021, 11:17:30 PM ---That's the thing that irritates me the most about the foil hats - there are *real* conspiracies - you don't need to make them up.

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With you all the way.  Conspiracy theorists are a boon to the real powers-that-be, who fuck large swathes of people over in plain sight while the would-be activists are off chasing phantoms.

Tjm86:

--- Quote from: Funt Solo on 18 October, 2021, 11:17:30 PM ---That's the thing that irritates me the most about the foil hats - there are *real* conspiracies - you don't need to make them up.

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Personally I've always subscribed to Terry Pratchett's Theory of Government Conspiracies.  It's a fascinating little mine field though. 

There is a school of thought that posits the weaponisation of the term by the CIA during the Warren Commission debates.  Looking at the key document that purports to prove this though it is one possible interpretation rather than unequivocal evidence.

Arguably though the use of 'conspiracy theories' or 'alternative facts' has taken on a life of its own in recent years.  Propaganda, disinformation, stoking dissent or insurrection ... there are not many nations across the globe that can be said to be completely innocent in these regards.  The internet seems to have managed to elevate it to a whole new level of sophistication though.

Issues around press ownership and editorial bias have not helped either.  I find myself baffled by accusations of left-wing bias against the BBC when their reporting of strikes and union action is so negative as a rule.  Then again five minutes of the Mail or Express is enough to make me want to wash my brain out with bleach!

I guess the real problem is discerning between what we suspect and what we can prove.  How much of this is down to deliberate manipulation and how much to simply letting people's imagination run away with them?  How much is delusion and how much is justifiable suspicion?

As Sir T put it:  "The truth is out there, but lies are in your head ..."

IndigoPrime:
The BBC’s main issue is one of resource. People forget how much the corporation’s been cut. And the public want it cut further by eradicating the licence fee, which would force content to be skewed towards advertisers and/or subscribers. The logical result of that is a much smaller and more populist BBC that would be far worse at offering balance, news and political programming (not to mention any niche fare, whether that’s radio or children’s programming).

Very much a “careful what you wish for”.

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