Team Classic vs. Team Current
Only work for Tharg to be Considered
There will be many occasions when emphasizing that we are only thinking about work within Tharg's Sphere is being considered (see the rules link below for details) but few when it will be more relevant. Both these writers have gone on to have astonishing careers in the US and across comics. Here though we are considering a subset of that work. So however good I think War Stories / Battlefields are, however much I love UnFollow I will be banishing them from my noggin and focusing on work like Troubled Souls (I count Crisis) and Low Life here.
Time for you to decide your favourite as the droids square up to the tee...
Garth Ennis - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=garthe)
OR
Rob Williams - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=robw)
Remember for this tourney you have 5 votes to distribute as you please between these two artists, whole numbers only. So you can vote 5 - 0; 4 - 1; or 3 - 2; either way depending on how much more you like one artist's work over the other.
If you can't be doing with that just name your favourite - remember bold tags, or other ways of highlighting always appreciated - and I'll give them 3 votes and nowt to the other droid.
Three day votes, so this one ends morning of Thursday 24th June
Remember we only consider work for Tharg in these Tourneys
What the heck is all this about - well we have a thread for that (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47640.msg1062908#msg1062908)
How does this voting work? Look here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47640.msg1063058#msg1063058)
I don't understand how this works, what are the rules of the Solhiem Cup - yep got ya covered there too (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47640.msg1063060#msg1063060)
Anything else just ask and I'll make something up. Most importantly, have fun!
Garth only became a writer once he left 2000ad, I love the man but his prog work is just a no for me.
Whereas Williams is the best c21 Dredd writer - he gets Wagner's terse noble savage Dredd and creates great secondary characters.
5-0 Williams.
Rob 5 Ennis 0
Ennis work outside the prog is great but this is about the prog
Easy one.
5 nil to Rob.
I quite like Judgement Day *ducks* but Rob has developed Dredd's world with tremendous style via Low Life, Enceladus, Judge Smiley etc.
Garth Ennis 1, Rob Williams 4.
Garth Ennis 1, Rob Williams 4.
Early Ennis is better than early Williams, no contest, but late Williams is way better than any Ennis.
Williams 4, Ennis 1
Garth Ennis - 2
Rob Williams - 3
Wow, you lot are harsh to Garth. I quite enjoyed Emerald Isle and Judgement Day. Rob, on the other hand...meh. So--
Garth 5
Rob 0
Just looking at 2000ad output there's no comparison.
Garth 1 - 4 Rob but only as it feels mean to give a zero
Garth 1 - Rob 4
Basically, what most of you lot said.
Ps. At LAST an easy one to vote on!
Yeah, has to be a 5-0 drubbing with Rob Williams doing laps afterwards and the crowd going nuts.
SBT
Garth Ennis (2) Rob Williams (3)
Williams 3 : 2 Ennis
I like Williams drive to actually do something with characters, but we still ended up with shouty maniacs on Titan (again) and now Super-Hershey (all down to some alien magic sauce), so it's not all a bed of roses. End of Days is a sort of literary romp, but it's arguably not really Dredd.
Ennis was a sort of confectioner of Dredd during his tenure - but it was well written, well plotted and always entertaining.
I like 'Death Aid'. There are a couple of other Ennis Dredd yarns I think are okay as well. Not a vote for Ennis or anything- I also like a lot of Morrison's output too.
5-0 to garth.
Garth Ennis 2 : Rob Williams 3
I enjoy Judgement Day more than I should, and Emrald Isles, which grants Ennis a couple points here. But Williams wins for consistently good, dependable story telling.
fuckit, I'm in...
Williams 3 Ennis 2
Last chance for this one votes - there's a count a coming and that count is coming in the morning so get a votin', get a votin' hard...
So my hard vote goes a little like this Garth Ennis is one of my favourite writers, outside the Prog. In the Prog its not even close. However since I do consider Crisis in my pantheon of work for Tharg some great work there needs to be considered BUT its not enough and ultimately Tharg's Palace was little more than a training ground for Garth, where for Rob Williams its been both training ground and home of his best work and so on that basis:
Garth Ennis 0 : Rob Williams 5
Rob's not my favourite Dredd writer by any stretch, but I hated most of Garth's stuff. (Except for his non-prog stuff, that is, which has become excellent.)
Rob 5, Garth 0.
Ennis's Dredds were rough—but a lot better than the crap other people were writing at the time. Strontium Dogs was OK until the Gronk went mental and Ennis resurrected Alpha, only for him to then be killed off again. The Chopper series was an abomination, albeit better than the crap McKenzie subsequently shat out. But his better Dredds and Crisis work deserve some recognition.
Rob Williams: I find his Dredds a bit variable, but: Low Life; Ichabod Azrael; Hershey; Ten Seconders. Not sure if Ordinary counts or not, but that was great too.
So: Ennis 1 // Williams 4.
My vote has been heavily influenced by the year 2020:
Ennis 4 / Williams 1
Williams 4 : Ennis 1
VOTING CLOSED
Pretty cut and dry this one. It would have been a much more interesting and tense vote I suspect if we'd open things up beyond Tharg's watch BUT that's not the tourney we have and so however devisive some of Rob Williams recent work is there was no stopping him rule the rooster over a writer who may have learnt his craft with Tharg but has taken those lessons elsewhere.
Overall the tight result for Team Current yesterday is backed up by this far more one sided affair to give them a confident start. One suspects Team Classic have far more to come...
Team Current 2 : Team Classic 0
Team Current 122 : Team Classic 73
We must also take this in perspective that although guys like Pat and John is still writing or at least still contributed recently to the prog they are still classic writers in my viewpoint.
Quote from: broodblik on 25 June, 2021, 07:06:19 AM
We must also take this in perspective that although guys like Pat and John is still writing or at least still contributed recently to the prog they are still classic writers in my viewpoint.
This. I wonder will we have John Wagner vs John Wagner thread?
Quote from: broodblik on 25 June, 2021, 07:06:19 AM
We must also take this in perspective that although guys like Pat and John is still writing or at least still contributed recently to the prog they are still classic writers in my viewpoint.
Very much this.