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Title: IDW sale
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2015, 01:04:15 PM
Musings of a Mild-Mannered Man (http://musingsofamildmanneredman.co.uk/on-the-cheap-idws-judge-dredd-sale/) has a few words about some of IDW's 2000AD-related output, including favourable things about the 30-issue series which finished earlier this year.  (also there's a sale on all the IDW Dredd stuff).
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Keef Monkey on 17 July, 2015, 02:54:43 PM
Those are great prices, so pretty tempted to grab the Dredd collections on Comixology. I didn't enjoy the first few IDW issues so packed it in though so not sure if I want to drop the cash on the off-chance it got better.

The Anderson mini-series was good and so was Year One and it feels a bit mad that there are Dredd comics out there I'm not buying! They're in my basket, just a bit torn about hitting the confirm button.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: W. R. Logan on 28 July, 2015, 06:27:29 AM
I'm up to Issue 22 and they're not bad Dredd comics, they're just bad full stop.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Keef Monkey on 28 July, 2015, 10:49:34 AM
I've just finished Volume 4 of the collected editions and I can't argue with that. I'm not familiar with the writer but it feels a bit of a mess of half-formed ideas. Half the time I can't figure out what's going on and the other half I just don't care. It just doesn't feel or read like Dredd at all, but I figured I could be fine with that seeing as it's another take on it - but as Logan says, they're just no good regardless.

The only way the US Dredd reboot thing makes sense to me is if it was to keep it more in line tonally and stylistically with the movie, so that people who were jumping on-board after taking an interest in the film were getting the Dredd they expected and wanted. That's something the movie sequel comics totally nailed, but this is nothing like the 2000AD comics or the movie so it's existence is just a bit confusing I guess.

Just my opinion of course, and maybe I'm being too harsh because I love Dredd done right so much - I got all the collections in a bundle so I'll be reading the rest to see where it goes, but really not feeling it. Just doesn't feel like a good introduction to the character or the universe when 2000AD is absolutely knocking it out the park these days.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 28 July, 2015, 04:09:42 PM
You lot and your high standards :lol:
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 28 July, 2015, 09:41:37 PM
I...really can't believe the title made it to issue 30. Is IDW still producing Dredd comics of any kind?
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Magnetica on 28 July, 2015, 09:53:03 PM
I have bought all the 2000AD and Dredd related new IDW material.

Having said that, I haven't actually got round to reading any of it for about 6 months or more... :lol:
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Fungus on 29 July, 2015, 01:47:06 AM
Issue 30, especially in this day and age, is astounding. Read in trade and issue format, out of loyalty. It was brain-crunchingly awful. A vanity comic?
(Best comic of recent times, Hawkeye, limped to 22 issues  :o )

I found the IDW mini-series OK, nothing approaching 2000AD quality. City Of Courts was very dull and self-indulgent but others seemed to like it.

Have to mention Rogue Trooper. A great ongoing series. Naturally they canned that one early on.

Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 29 July, 2015, 08:18:29 AM
Ah, Rogue Trooper WAS great. Sadly they canned it.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Keef Monkey on 29 July, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
Absolutely, Rogue Trooper was great. Really, really enjoyed it and it had the same spirit and style that makes 2000AD Rogue Trooper great. Anderson was pretty good and I very much liked Year One, so it's confusing that they got such short runs while the main Dredd line misses the mark so hard.

I guess people are buying it, and hopefully it has the knock-on effect of spreading the good name of 2000AD further in the states so has some value. It's just a bit of a shame that any Dredd-curious US readers looking to dip their toe in will most likely get entirely the wrong impression.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 29 July, 2015, 05:49:48 PM
...still looking to find that Rogue Trooper run!
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Link Prime on 29 July, 2015, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 29 July, 2015, 05:49:48 PM
...still looking to find that Rogue Trooper run!

Collected editions are quite cheap on Amazon, CFM; http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/1631400452/ref=sr_1_1_twi_2_pap_olp/279-0336433-4181244?ie=UTF8&qid=1438189902&sr=8-1&keywords=rogue+trooper+last+man+standing

It's well worth picking up.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: BPP on 29 July, 2015, 07:09:48 PM
Think your being a bit kind to the Rogue Trooper comic. The story was promising, the art pretty average to raw. Certainly the recent 2000ad outings were better. Obviously the quality of it had nothing to do with its cancellation tho.

Am amazed IDW didn't try a different creative team on the main comic.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: dweezil2 on 29 July, 2015, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: BPP on 29 July, 2015, 07:09:48 PM
Think your being a bit kind to the Rogue Trooper comic. The story was promising, the art pretty average to raw. Certainly the recent 2000ad outings were better. Obviously the quality of it had nothing to do with its cancellation tho.

Am amazed IDW didn't try a different creative team on the main comic.


I don't know, I really enjoyed IDW's Rogue Trooper series and I thought it stood as an excellent introduction to the character, with some lovely Colin Wilson-esque art!
I was certainly disappointed when it was axed.

Word on the street was Jimmy Palmiotti pitched an idea to write a Dredd series-who knows whether it would of turned out any better though!!!!
I'd still like to see Garth Ennis take another crack at a U.S series.

Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: W. R. Logan on 29 July, 2015, 11:07:38 PM
All 30 issues of IDW's Dredd series finished and I'm amazed it lasted 30 issues.
I could list the things I didn't like, multiple covers for a start.
I thought 5 covers for xmen 1 in 1991 was excessive but 25 covers for Dredd 1 was just taking the piss.
I could live with the art but the stories were not even coherent and I can't work out what the editor did.
Now on to the other Dredd world IDW comics and fingers crossed they put a spark in the thrill circuits.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: BPP on 30 July, 2015, 03:33:01 AM
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 29 July, 2015, 11:07:38 PM
All 30 issues of IDW's Dredd series finished and I'm amazed it lasted 30 issues.
I could list the things I didn't like, multiple covers for a start.
I thought 5 covers for xmen 1 in 1991 was excessive but 25 covers for Dredd 1 was just taking the piss.
I could live with the art but the stories were not even coherent and I can't work out what the editor did.
Now on to the other Dredd world IDW comics and fingers crossed they put a spark in the thrill circuits.

Year One and Anderson are both excellent.
Vs Mars Attacks - enjoyable, probably stretched a bit thin.
City of Courts - lamentable.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 July, 2015, 06:24:00 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 July, 2015, 08:12:53 PM
Word on the street was Jimmy Palmiotti pitched an idea to write a Dredd series-who knows whether it would of turned out any better though!!!!

Wow did not know that.While we'll never know, based on some of the great work he's done, and I'm thinking specifically on Jonah Hex, I'd have liked to have found out.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Keef Monkey on 30 July, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
The fact the artist on one of the issue one stories had clearly used pictures from the Stallone movie as uniform reference spoke volumes about how much they got the character really.

Reminded me of when I went to get my Judge Death/Dredd tattoo the artist hadn't realized I had a particular image in mind so had looked out a couple of possibilities to suggest to me and they were basically the first three pictures of Stallone that he found on an image search. This guy must have gone to similar lengths of research.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: W. R. Logan on 02 August, 2015, 07:35:23 PM
Dredd: Year One read and this should have shown IDW how Dredd can be done.
Matt Smiths story was a good read and Simon Colebys art was fantastic as always.
IDW must have wept all over it wishing that employed someone similar to do their other titles.

Feeling optimistic I then ploughed straight into the other IDW offering City Of Courts.
Once again IDW seemed to miss the whole point, the art wasn't awful it was just didn't fit either the sort or Dredd.
Since Prog 2 their have been many Dredd stories that I've not enjoyed, so there have been writers from these shores that haven't got it right.
But I think I can say that this would possibly be on my worst Dredd story ever list.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: Fungus on 03 August, 2015, 02:27:18 AM
Agreed, Logan. City of Courts made my eyes hurt. Just horrible, horrible.

As to why...? ... it wasn't throwaway. The art (let's forget the Lego faces) was intricate, and the writer was clearly trying to make clever points of difference about the American coasts. Um, OK.
Didn't help that I then read positive reviews of it (see also the ECBT podcast). Not for the first time I got to wondering if reviewers read the material.

Ugh.
Title: Re: IDW sale
Post by: James Stacey on 03 August, 2015, 01:13:55 PM
I really wanted to enjoy City of Courts. I'd enjoyed Douglas Wolks blog and he seemed to have a good handle on what Dredd was about. None of which came across in the comic. It seemed disjointed, badly placed, baffling to follow at times .. and not at all like Dredd in any way. It seemed like he had a solid concept, how MC2 should differ from MC1 taking the lead from current cultural differences, but didnt know what to do with it in any meaningful or fun way. Fortunately Dredd Year 1, the Anderson one and Dredd - Mars Attacks were all great. (I'm pretending the main series never happened because .. well the less said the better)