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Started by SmallBlueThing, 04 February, 2011, 12:40:44 PM

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Richmond Clements

QuoteI may as well give this up

Well, you seem to be determined to be obtuse and apparently have no concept of the meaning os 'sexist', 'pornographic' or 'exploitative', so it might be for the best.

Richmond Clements


JamesC

And here are a couple of differing views:

http://www.titaniumteddybear.net/2011/06/23/thinking-sucker-punch-is-sexist-is-sexist-quickie/

http://www.lovefilm.com/features/detail.html?section_name=editorial&editorial_id=34867

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2011-04/04/gq-film-zack-snyder-sucker-punch/page/3


Look, I don't really care whether the film is sexist or not. I enjoyed it and posted a few comments about it. I then asked a perfectly legitimate question about what exactly was sexist about it and I'm not sure I totally agree with the answers.
For this I'm condescended and accused of being obtuse. Well, thanks, I'll just go and feel bad about myself now shall I? I apologise for not having a degree in social politics.

Buttonman

The bizarre teaming of Mel Gibson and a puppet in The Beaver followed by gentle inheritance issues in Where There's a Will.

Definitely Not Mister Pops

Grabbers is an Irish horror movie with some choice underplayed comedy moments. It was filmed just down the road from me ma's house. Overall, really good, some of the best drunken acting I've seen, to the extent that I'm not sure it was really acting. I liked the fact that we don't really get a good look at the titular beasties until the final act. Proper order for this sort of movie, those nutty guys at Asylum should take note. I still don't like Russell Tovey though. Does his voice normally sound like a bad sketch show impression of a Jolly Nice English Chap, or does he put it on? Because if he puts it on someone needs to tell him to stop doing that.
You may quote me on that.

Ghost MacRoth

Evil Dead: Remake

Gory enough, but basically, pointless.  The 'new' twists can be seen coming from many, many miles away.  I know most horrors aren't really looking to blow our minds with clever plot twists, but when they shape up like that's their intent, then fail to deliver, then it's doubly disappointing.  Just get the original in all it's crap glory, it's still a FAR better film than this poop.
I don't have a drinking problem.  I drink, I get drunk, I fall over.  No problem!

radiator

Grabbers was Ok, but felt a bit thin to me. The script could have done with some beefing up. Agree about Tovey - his acting is incredibly over the top.

Definitely Not Mister Pops

Yeah, the script could have done with a wee bit more work. There should have been some sort of acknowledgement of the absence of any children, and I was expecting a wee epilogue where the other Guard got back from his holidays and demands an explanation for why [spoiler]the pub is half burned down and devoid of alcohol[/spoiler]. An honest explanation would probably get a reaction along the lines of "You really need to cut down on the drink"

Still highly enjoyable though.
You may quote me on that.

Professor Bear

Hammer war movie Yesterday's Enemy.  Some British soldiers are stuck nursing their dying in a Burmese village, and in between attempted rapes on the female civilians the officers find time to commit a war crime and then leave their injured to kill themselves while the able-bodied make a run for British lines.  After that, things things start to get grim.
A bit stagey, but solid acting and a bloody-minded dedication to never giving you a happy ending to any of the various plotlines running though the 90-odd minutes makes for a tight and memorable war drama.

Salt - Angelina Jolie plays an invincible super-agent out to clear her name - OR IS SHE?  Daftly entertaining in places, but the arbitrary face/heel turns of the main character become tiresome and forty minutes in you might be like me and ask why you're supposed to root for one character over another - a concern shared by the screenwriter who resorts to having the stakes be THE LITERAL END OF THE WORLD because it's the only way to make the main character seem like someone you want to see succeed, because no-one wants the world to end, am I right?  Amusingly, the plan to make the world end is to blow up Mecca and this will make all muslims explode with terrorist fury because according to the film's logic all muslims are violent militants merely waiting for a call to arms... I suspect this is not entirely accurate, but like I say, it's a bit daft.

I Am Number Four is basically an episode of Smallville with a large budget.  As such, it is stinky pants.
If you have caught any teen-oriented tv show made by the CW in the last five years, you already know this plot inside and out, which is pretty amazing considering they bought the rights to a novel to adapt into this.  I can't really think of much else to say about it, it's pretty humdrum and predictable, opting for cliches to hold everything together.

Recrewt

Quote from: JamesC on 17 August, 2013, 09:54:45 AM
Just so I know, what, exactly, is sexist about Sucker Punch?

I appreciate that this conversation has pretty much run its course but here are some of my thoughts on the matter.

Sexism is defined primarily as descrimination based on gender.  However it also refers to attitudes or behaviours that promote stereotypical roles based on gender. So, in simple terms, that would be someone saying "women are only good for shagging and cooking". 

This is where things start to get a bit shaky for Sucker Punch.  You could argue that the plot itself is not sexist but the fact that the main female characters have to spend a lot of the film in sexy outfits means that whatever empowerment the story might convey is undermined and the visual prompts still convey the message that women are just sexual objects.

Now I appreciate that some of this is subjective but honestly, how often is there an action movie where the main male lead has to spend most of the time in a leather thong? (Conan is the only one I can think of   ;)).

This is what prompts people to call a film like Sucker Punch sexist.  It does make you wonder why they have to spend so much time in high-heels with skirts so short that we can see their stocking tops.  I mean, what is with those wardrobe decisions - what message is the director trying to convey to the audience???

Definitely Not Mister Pops

Quote from: Professor James T Bear on 17 August, 2013, 07:25:23 PM
... considering they bought the rights to a novel to adapt into this.

I heard the CW opened a publisher for the sole purpose of printing young adult books that could be optioned as movies and I am Number Four was the result. I've probably crossed several wires there.
You may quote me on that.

Professor Bear

I can believe that, given that CW hasn't optioned a single new programme this season that isn't sci-fi or fantasy, so clearly they're actively trying to build themselves multi-media IPs (sci-fi and fantasy lending itself a lot easier to that than drama or romance shows).
Which is all a bit odd, as it's a pretty poorly-kept secret that the company is part of a scam perfectly above-board practice to pay money back into DC Comics so their (DC's) licensing looks profitable, so why they wouldn't just plunder their own existing IP catalogue (WB owns both companies, hence the scam perfectly above-board practice) for new CW franchises instead of paying someone else to come up with what they already have is beyond me.  Kamandi is pretty much just a story about a teenage boy with his shirt off being chased by half-animal dudes who come off a bit gay, and that sounds like several CW shows already.

radiator

QuoteYeah, the script could have done with a wee bit more work. There should have been some sort of acknowledgement of the absence of any children

I think for me it was more that the script just felt... sparse? I dunno, the conversations and banter just didn't flow back and forth the way it does in (obvious comparison as it's essentially the exact same film) Tremors, made worse by the fact that a lot of the attempts at humour just don't land.

Frank


I just watched Pitch Perfect and it was the best thing I've seen in my entire fucking life. On that note, it's been nice knowing you all.


Link Prime

Quote from: sauchie on 17 August, 2013, 10:46:12 PM

I just watched Pitch Perfect and it was the best thing I've seen in my entire fucking life. On that note, it's been nice knowing you all.

Please note that we genuinely feel no Glee from having to despise you now Sauchie.
You did bring a few laughs & witty quips to the forum over the years, so here's a 30 second head start before we release the dogs.