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Started by Judge Brian, 20 September, 2013, 04:20:17 PM

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Why is Sinister made up like a clown and why doesn't anyone think it's strange?

Jim_Campbell

Quote from: Judge Brian on 20 September, 2013, 04:20:17 PM
Why is Sinister made up like a clown and why doesn't anyone think it's strange?

He's from Northampton.

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As far as I know, there is no reason, other than it was an artistic quirk by series artist Simon Davis that was later copied by other artists. It's one of those things that you don't even notice after a while.

JOE SOAP




It's the phuture and why are you Robert Smith?



TordelBack

Quote from: Judge Brian on 20 September, 2013, 04:20:17 PM
Why is Sinister made up like a clown and why doesn't anyone think it's strange?

Stranger than his partner who has no pupils and is shacked up with a cop despite being an amoral killer-for-hire? Stranger than an entire industry of killers-for-hire that while employed largely by gang-bosses are somehow viewed as essential to peace and justice in Downlode, which BTW has giant weaponised 'gators in its docklands and anime school-girl robot bodyguards wandering around its casinos?  Stranger than an interstellar culture that builds exact replicas of 1970's downtown and suburban America on alien worlds?   Finny's about the most normal thing in the whole strip, so he is!

Wake

Quote from: Judge Brian on 20 September, 2013, 04:20:17 PM
Why is Sinister made up like a clown and why doesn't anyone think it's strange?

I think of it as a goth-like style choice

Judge Brian

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2013, 04:33:42 PM



It's the phuture and why are you Robert Smith?

Why shouldn't I be Robert Smith?

Judge Brian

Quote from: TordelBack on 20 September, 2013, 04:35:33 PM
Quote from: Judge Brian on 20 September, 2013, 04:20:17 PM
Why is Sinister made up like a clown and why doesn't anyone think it's strange?

Stranger than his partner who has no pupils and is shacked up with a cop despite being an amoral killer-for-hire? Stranger than an entire industry of killers-for-hire that while employed largely by gang-bosses are somehow viewed as essential to peace and justice in Downlode, which BTW has giant weaponised 'gators in its docklands and anime school-girl robot bodyguards wandering around its casinos?  Stranger than an interstellar culture that builds exact replicas of 1970's downtown and suburban America on alien worlds?   Finny's about the most normal thing in the whole strip, so he is!

I've just started reading the strip. I haven't seen Dexter yet.

Judge Brian

I ask because the traditional pasty clown face with red hair & a red nose is based on anti-Irish stereotypes. Finn is irish, isn't he?

TordelBack

Quote from: Judge Brian on 20 September, 2013, 05:23:27 PM
I ask because the traditional pasty clown face with red hair & a red nose is based on anti-Irish stereotypes. Finn is irish, isn't he?

To be sure, to be sure.

Although I didn't know that about clowns, and given the Italian origins of the traditional make-up I do have trouble believing it...

JOE SOAP

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Quote from: Judge Brian on 20 September, 2013, 05:20:27 PM
Why shouldn't I be Robert Smith?



QuoteI ask because the traditional pasty clown face with red hair & a red nose is based on anti-Irish stereotypes.

The whiteface clown is of French origin and while there are plenty who act like 'clowns' in Ireland there are few who make a living out of it (politicians excepted).

The Irish connection is more an asscoiation with a particular Irish-American actor, Emmet Kelly, who protrayed a Depression Era clown-like hobo or tramp rather than a national stereotype .



TordelBack

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Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2013, 06:18:08 PM
The whiteface clown is of French origin...

Begob!  I thought it was from the Venetian Comedie/Masquerade* or has Michael Moorcock misled me (again)?  I can't be arsed with t'Google, so I'll take Joe's word (it's for the best - Joe knows).

*Although as I type those words, they do look awfully French...

JOE SOAP

Quote from: TordelBack on 20 September, 2013, 06:22:47 PM
Begob!  I thought it was from the Venetian Comedie/Masquerade* or has Michael Moorcock misled me (again)?  I can't be arsed with t'Google, so I'll take Joe's word (it's for the best - Joe knows).

*Although as I type those words, they do look awfully French...

I'm sure at one stage a French and Italian clown made whoppee in a tiny car and gave birth to what we know now as the modern child-scarer.


Frank

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 September, 2013, 06:22:47 PM
Begob!  I thought it was from the Venetian Comedie/Masquerade* or has Michael Moorcock misled me (again)?  I can't be arsed with t'Google, so I'll take Joe's word (it's for the best - Joe knows).

*Although as I type those words, they do look awfully French...

I'm sure at one stage a French and Italian clown made whoppee in a tiny car and gave birth to what we know now as the modern child-scarer.

Arf! I think that's exactly what the familiar circus clown is - a hybrid of the colourful and idiotic Harlequin and the sad whiteface Pierrot from Italian Commedia del Arte. I'll take Brian's word that the US hobo clown is used as a stick with which to beat the Irish, but clowns were white of face, red of nose and stupid for at least three centuries before anyone rode a rail or took a seltzer to the kisser.


TordelBack

Quote from: sauchie on 20 September, 2013, 06:56:41 PM...clowns were white of face, red of nose and stupid...

See that's my problem: surely this is a more accurate caricature of the Scots Scottish Scotch?