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Title: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 07 May, 2014, 02:36:13 PM
The droids are currently putting together the first book of 'Daily Star' Judge Dredd strips and have scoured archives across the globe (true story). But some of the strips still remain MIA! Do you have high resolution scans or good quality originals of these strips, Earthlets? If so, Tharg the Mighty would love to hear from you!

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152048374466366.1073741828.146588986365&type=1
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 07 May, 2014, 03:55:17 PM
Just shared the album on facebook. If anyone else can share this info across the web, they might be found!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Steve Green on 07 May, 2014, 04:35:25 PM
Which strips are missing?

Presumably you've already got everything that was collected in the landscape format soft and hardbacks?

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 07 May, 2014, 04:41:41 PM
A person on facebook has asked if the British Library microfilm is of high enough quality for this mission!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 07 May, 2014, 04:43:06 PM
Copied and pasted from facebook again

BL catalogue says 'Holdings Notes: Newspapers :no.1- (2 Nov.1978--)
Shelfmark(s): General Reference Collection 1978-2009 Microform. MFM.MLD3B ' So they might have it.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 07 May, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 07 May, 2014, 04:41:41 PM
A person on facebook has asked if the British Library microfilm is of high enough quality for this mission!

Robo-Keef has been a regular visitor to the British Library for the past few months - these are the ones they either don't have or are in a bad way.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 07 May, 2014, 04:57:17 PM
Understood :'(
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 07 May, 2014, 05:58:50 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 May, 2014, 04:35:25 PM
Which strips are missing?

Presumably you've already got everything that was collected in the landscape format soft and hardbacks?

Sorry Steve, missed your comment - the missing ones are all the ones featured in that Facebook gallery. We have low res scans but nothing publishable. These are ones that were not included in the previous collections.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Steve Green on 07 May, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
Ah, right cheers - I don't know what's knocking about original art wise, but I'll keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 07 May, 2014, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 07 May, 2014, 04:41:41 PM
A person on facebook has asked if the British Library microfilm is of high enough quality for this mission!

The scans on the Facebook page are ones I took from the British Library microfilm. The actual microfilms look like old B&W photo-copies, and have any number of scratches and bits of dirt on them. The viewing & printing machines also add in stray hairs and dust for that genuine 'archive' effect. It's often impossible to have the top and bottom of the strip in focus at the same time.

The British Library printers add their own layer of grot to the proceedings.

What's more interesting is that for 1983, there is 1 copy of the Daily Star missing from the micro-film archives ... and 3 strips 1983 strips to fill that gap!

Fingers crossed someone out there is able to help.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Leigh S on 09 May, 2014, 09:38:11 PM
Good to see this hunt spreading across the web

Two thoughts:

The first strip is made up of cut n paste from the first Dredd, so would this not be fairly easy to recreate using the rough Daily Star version and the art from the original strip itself?

Secondly, if some or all of the lo-res strips  can't be sourced, how much effort would be involved in using the lo-res as "pencils" and getting them inked up by a sympathetic artist? 

Of course, this is my catastophizing - hoping the call out gets a good result before these sort of options would need to be considered...
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Trout on 09 May, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
Leigh might have a point. If it needs to be complete, we may have to settle for something less than perfect.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 09 May, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
There are a number of slight differences between the Daily Star Judge Whitey & the one presented in Prog 2 that make re-creating it very difficult. I know from trying to do that with the one that was posted in the other Daily Star thread.

I wonder if there might be some mileage in requesting digital copies of the relevant pages from the British Library. Problem is, the people doing the work would be librarians, rather than experts in digital transfers.

Might even be worth printing off new hard copies blown up to A3 and scanning them in at a higher quality.

Re-lettering would help fool the eye into thinking the strip was better quality than it was.

Oh, and let me be the first to request an afterword by Mr Shepherd, whose knowledge of the Daily STar strips is incredible!

Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 09 May, 2014, 11:21:22 PM
If only there was someone on the board with past form for restoring classic strips from less than optimal scans. IF ONLY SUCH A THING WAS POSSIBLE! :-)

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Trout on 09 May, 2014, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 May, 2014, 11:21:22 PM
If only there was someone on the board with past form for restoring classic strips from less than optimal scans. IF ONLY SUCH A THING WAS POSSIBLE! :-)

Cheers

Jim

Yeah, it's a shame. Oh well. We should just give up.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Skullmo on 10 May, 2014, 01:06:53 AM
I'm sure there used to be a thread on here about someone having every Daily Dredd . .
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Bat King on 10 May, 2014, 01:19:10 AM
I've put a shout out on mi blog... I have an idea I know someone with most of the stories that were printed, hopefully he may have some of these. Obviously drawing his attention to them.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 10 May, 2014, 11:33:36 AM
Can't help. But I would buy it!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Bat King on 10 May, 2014, 12:12:05 PM
Sadly the saying isn't 'If they come you can build it'...

Nah, I couldn't help much as I don't have many copies of Daily Star stories at all.

At least one of the stories has already been e-mailed to Rebellion by one of us... Not sure how much clearer it is than the version they have butI understand it is clearer.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Trout on 10 May, 2014, 02:35:11 PM
Hopefully, sharing this far and wide will help.

As a side note, I just guffawed at this exchange:

Marc YeahRight Oh so NOW you don't mind people reproducing copyright material
May 7 at 10:32pm

2000 AD Beg your pardon, Earthlet?
May 8 at 1:51am


Yes, their double standards are perfectly illustrated in their desire to see material they own reproduced in a way that may profit them. You twat.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Frank on 10 May, 2014, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: Trout on 10 May, 2014, 02:35:11 PM
Marc YeahRight Oh so NOW you don't mind people reproducing copyright material
May 7 at 10:32pm

2000 AD Beg your pardon, Earthlet?
May 8 at 1:51am

Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/2000AD) seems almost entirely useless for most practical purposes. On a more positive note, this thread shows the resourcefulness and tenacity of the forum at its best.

Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Krakajac on 13 May, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
Have any inquiries been made in the southern hemisphere - namely Australia & NZ?  I was brought up in both Oz and NZ in the 70's and 80's, and can't actually recall seeing the JD strip in the newspapers - but that's not to say that it didn't appear somewhere.

I'm based in South-East Queensland these days.  Happy to put my hand up if someone would like inquiries made at libraries/archives, etc?
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: flesario on 14 May, 2014, 09:51:06 PM
I've got copies of four of these cut from the papers at the time. Have also emailed the press address. You're welcome to them but they were not crystal clear even at the time.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Leigh S on 14 May, 2014, 10:44:33 PM
Good stuff Flesario!

Good call about Oz too..
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Max Headroom on 23 May, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
Any word on whether these have been found yet, Mr Molch-R? Will it jeopardize the release of the hardbacks if not all stories are found?
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 09 June, 2014, 03:07:42 PM
We've found four from the original list, but we've discovered that there are even more missing from the archives. I've uploaded them to the Facebook gallery https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152048374466366.1073741828.146588986365&type=1

Quote from: Max Headroom on 23 May, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
Any word on whether these have been found yet, Mr Molch-R? Will it jeopardize the release of the hardbacks if not all stories are found?

It won't jeopardise the book's release, it just won't be as complete as we want it to be.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 09 June, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Could a note not be included - due to the archival nature, some of these strips are not as clear as we'd wish them to be etc etc?

I'd vote for complete with a few lower quality strips than incomplete.

Should they turn up, you could then use them as a selling point for a revised second edition :)

I think there are precedents for this in the Rebellion GN range. Some of the Star Lord strips are scanned in from the comic, for example. The Complete Case Files vol 5 included lower quality reprints of the last episode of Block Mania, which were then replaced with better quality copies for a subsequent reprint. There's still a very murky page in one of the Chump Dumping episodes from that book, too.

Looking at those scans, I think a couple of the colour ones were reprinted in b&w in one of the previous collections - the bouncing teacher & the Halley's Comet.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 09 June, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: glassstanley on 09 June, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Could a note not be included - due to the archival nature, some of these strips are not as clear as we'd wish them to be etc etc?

I'd vote for complete with a few lower quality strips than incomplete.

Unfortunately these images are just photos of blown up microfiche and are completely unusable - and we'd rather find them than produce a title something like this that is incomplete.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Frank on 09 June, 2014, 05:01:09 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 09 June, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
Unfortunately these images are just photos of blown up microfiche and are completely unusable - and we'd rather find them than produce a title something like this that is incomplete

Using the fuzzy version of those stories you have in your possession as 'pencils', get the art stars of today - Flint, Bagwell, Weston, Willsher, D'Israeli - to ink Ron Smith's work. I'm sure they'd (re)do four strips each for next to nothing if Tharg agreed to pass Uncle Ron a larger cut of the royalties, legend and inspiration that he is. There's your bonus material and background/promotional feature in the Megazine right there.

Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: maryanddavid on 09 June, 2014, 05:50:33 PM
I reckon I have around 7 or 8 of these new ones Mike, Varing condition, but complete, Will scan and send on tonight.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 09 June, 2014, 05:54:31 PM
Check your email :)
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 09 June, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
School For High Flyers & Bill Halley's Comet were reprinted in the Judge Dredd Annual 1988.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Leigh S on 09 June, 2014, 08:56:35 PM
ooh! I actually think I might ahve one - what an idiot... let me check (face the Judge part 2, fact fans...)

edit/... the loft beckons - might not get there til Wednesday, but I may be able to fill at least one blank... Stalring Black Label rings a bell too, but cant be 100% sure..... only from the Start itself, rather thhan the original, but think they are pretty deccent shape

Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Leigh S on 09 June, 2014, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: glassstanley on 09 June, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
School For High Flyers & Bill Halley's Comet were reprinted in the Judge Dredd Annual 1988.

As was photo finish and a glob too far I believe...need to find my master list again with all the reprint details!

Barney confirms the 4 above...
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Max Headroom on 09 June, 2014, 11:14:19 PM
Just checked on Barney and it says that the strip for 26th November 1983 is called 'Emotion Machine' and was featured in both the Daily Star Collection 3 and the Mega Collection. Facebook posting said that there was no title or microfilm in the British Library for this date and it was one of the missing ones. Unless that's a mix-up...?
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Rogue Earthlet on 30 June, 2014, 01:49:23 AM
Quote from: Molch-R on 07 May, 2014, 02:36:13 PM
The droids are currently putting together the first book of 'Daily Star' Judge Dredd strips and have scoured archives across the globe (true story). But some of the strips still remain MIA! Do you have high resolution scans or good quality originals of these strips, Earthlets? If so, Tharg the Mighty would love to hear from you!

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152048374466366.1073741828.146588986365&type=1

I've just joined here, but I'm a long time squax, and I have some old Dredd strips from the Daily Star, used to buy it just for Dredd. I've got two Face the Judge strips, including the one you feature on Facebook, and the tourist one, with the little four eyed alien, and several others. Could this be of help?
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Rogue Earthlet on 30 June, 2014, 02:06:54 AM
Quote from: Rogue Earthlet on 30 June, 2014, 01:49:23 AM
Quote from: Molch-R on 07 May, 2014, 02:36:13 PM
The droids are currently putting together the first book of 'Daily Star' Judge Dredd strips and have scoured archives across the globe (true story). But some of the strips still remain MIA! Do you have high resolution scans or good quality originals of these strips, Earthlets? If so, Tharg the Mighty would love to hear from you!

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152048374466366.1073741828.146588986365&type=1

I've just joined here, but I'm a long time squax, and I have some old Dredd strips from the Daily Star, used to buy it just for Dredd. I've got two Face the Judge strips, including the one you feature on Facebook, and the tourist one, with the little four eyed alien, and several others. Could this be of help?

Just checked, and I have several on your missing list.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Bolt-01 on 30 June, 2014, 07:18:11 AM
Excellent news. I'm sure Molch-R will be in touch shortly. And welcome.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Bat King on 30 June, 2014, 09:49:36 AM
Yup good news there, Rogue Earthlet!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Rogue Earthlet on 03 July, 2014, 01:36:56 AM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 30 June, 2014, 07:18:11 AM
Excellent news. I'm sure Molch-R will be in touch shortly. And welcome.

Thanks for the welcome! But no word from Molch-R yet, maybe they've already got them.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2014, 09:34:30 AM
Four left to find (https://www.facebook.com/2000AD/posts/10152155263396366).
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 03 July, 2014, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: Rogue Earthlet on 03 July, 2014, 01:36:56 AM
Thanks for the welcome! But no word from Molch-R yet, maybe they've already got them.

Ah, only just seen this - as you'll see from IndigoPrime's link, we have only four left to find for Volume 1 so if you have any of those then please drop a line to marketing@2000adonline.com
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Rogue Earthlet on 03 July, 2014, 09:13:45 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 03 July, 2014, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: Rogue Earthlet on 03 July, 2014, 01:36:56 AM
Thanks for the welcome! But no word from Molch-R yet, maybe they've already got them.

Ah, only just seen this - as you'll see from IndigoPrime's link, we have only four left to find for Volume 1 so if you have any of those then please drop a line to marketing@2000adonline.com

Gruddammit, I haven't got those four. Sorry.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Max Headroom on 13 July, 2014, 10:34:50 PM
Just looking into the missing four strips and I think a couple of the dates posted widely may be wrong: I have a strong feeling that 'Manta Tank' is 17th December 1983 and not 10th Dec 83; and I suspect 'Baffin Island' may not be 17th September 1983 and is possibly 1st October 83.

I think this is worth double-checking to be absolutely sure and may help in the process of tracking them down
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 16 July, 2014, 08:56:43 PM
I can confirm that the dates originally posted widely are correct, having checked them against the British Library's Daily Star micro-fiche collection.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Max Headroom on 18 July, 2014, 08:56:54 PM
The reason I thought that some of the dates may have been suspect was that in a 'Comic Book News' web article on the missing stories they actually showed the four strips in question, albeit in low-res; and with the help of a magnifying glass the dates did indeed look different. However, I bow to your greater knowledge Mr glassstanley.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Leigh S on 18 July, 2014, 09:25:41 PM
the strips did often have the intended date scribbled on them, though the Star was notoriously flexible with when strips ran (if they ever did!) - witness some of the odd blips in the on going weekly strps, where the same part could be run twice and strips appear out of order!  They are a useful thing to know though, as you can often use the dates to make sense of gaps or inconsistencies that otherwisee would remain a mystery...
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Steve Green on 21 July, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
Yeah, it sounds like a similar situation to TV shows getting broadcast out of order...

Some of the strips seemed to crop up in the annuals under a different name as well, but I couldn't find anything from the outstanding batch.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Large48 on 23 July, 2014, 04:34:56 PM
Some of the strips have several dates on them, when they were meant to run, when they ran the first time, 2nd time, reprinted in the 5 books, reprinted in the Annuals, etc, etc!

:-\
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 01 August, 2014, 05:47:06 PM
We're down to just FOUR missing episodes! https://www.facebook.com/2000AD/photos/a.153563506365.125462.146588986365/10152209992911366/?type=1
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: maryanddavid on 01 August, 2014, 10:02:01 PM
That one that the main pic on FB I have  seen before, but I cant put my finger on it.

The main places they were reprinted were Annuals from mid eighties, and specials from mid eighties. The nineties annuals started reprinting the dailies, is there anywhere else that these appeared besides the collection?
I know Quality reprinted some of these badly stretched, but they could be usable with a bit of work, if it was the right episodes.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2014, 11:41:09 PM

I no longer have them but I remember I cut-out these two of the last four strips from when they were republished in the Irish Herald (http://www.herald.ie/) newspaper in the 1980's– which means it's likely they were among the first Judge Dredd strips to be printed in the paper:






(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1910485_10152209992911366_3992319607126307916_n.jpg?oh=650bfa793d73d33649c087d44c8613a5&oe=5444140A&__gda__=1413198465_1e0bef2e9c73edbd9bd28eaee6f13308)


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10371419_10152155260016366_8804870837465227119_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 02 August, 2014, 03:10:37 PM
Quote from: maryanddavid on 01 August, 2014, 10:02:01 PM
The main places they were reprinted were Annuals from mid eighties, and specials from mid eighties. The nineties annuals started reprinting the dailies, is there anywhere else that these appeared besides the collection?
I know Quality reprinted some of these badly stretched, but they could be usable with a bit of work, if it was the right episodes.

We've checked everywhere and these have not been reprinted before.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 03 August, 2014, 08:20:02 AM
Quote from: Molch-R on 02 August, 2014, 03:10:37 PM
We've checked everywhere and these have not been reprinted before.

In the interests of stating the obvious and being no help whatsoever, Manta Tank has been sort of reprinted, just not in its entirety - it's on the front cover of the Judge Dredd Collection.

I haven't been able to find it, but I'm pretty sure that Baffin Island was used (in part, at least) in an advert or something.  Glaring looks familiar, too.

Might explain why they're not where they're supposed to be in the British Library - they've been taken out and not put back properly.  Unfortunately, something misfiled in the British Library archives is likely to stay that way, as the only way you're likely to find it is by mistake...
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 03 August, 2014, 11:41:17 AM
Here's the Judge Dredd Collection cover:

(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/JDC_zps447002e8.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/JDC_zps447002e8.jpg.html)

Which also appeared in this advert in the prog:

(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/JDCAD_zps8c3f2023.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/JDCAD_zps8c3f2023.jpg.html)

Which first appeared in prog 423 and ran two or three times a month for about a year, which makes it pretty much the most commonly seen Daily Star strip in history, all without ever getting a proper reprint!

Weird.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Steve Green on 03 August, 2014, 05:32:19 PM
That's bizarre that it was never actually inside.

I guess if it can't be turned up, the least worst option might be splice what's available from the cover with the remaining panels from the lower quality copy.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: M.I.K. on 03 August, 2014, 07:32:52 PM
I knew I'd seen that one somewhere before, but couldn't find it anywhere. That explains that then.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 03 August, 2014, 10:01:22 PM
Great spot, Lobo Baggins!

The droid throwing the bomb in the Baffin Island Nudists is very familiar. I'm sure I've seen at least that frame elsewhere. Even dug out the Dredd board game to see if it had been included in the booklet that came with it, but no.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 04 August, 2014, 07:59:43 AM
Quote from: glassstanley on 03 August, 2014, 10:01:22 PM
Great spot, Lobo Baggins!

The droid throwing the bomb in the Baffin Island Nudists is very familiar. I'm sure I've seen at least that frame elsewhere. Even dug out the Dredd board game to see if it had been included in the booklet that came with it, but no.

Yeah, I know I've seen that very frame somewhere - I've checked all of the Games Workshop RPG material (except White Dwarf), the Judge Dredd Boardgame, Block and Mega Mania and all the adverts in 2000AD between the announcement of 'Project X' in prog 238 and prog 520 (I got distracted into rereading Bad Company) with no luck.

I seem to recall an advert with a bunch of Dredd strips in a pile, with only the top one showing in full - the robot bomb thing was one of the ones partly visible underneath, with a tagline something like 'Judge Dredd appears EVERY WEEK in the Daily Star!' I've got no idea where that might show up, though.  Of if it's something that even exists - I may be misremembering the 'Judge Dredd appears every week in 2000AD' at the end of the Judge Dredd Collection...
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 04 August, 2014, 10:17:29 AM
Good spot, unfortunately it's just way too low resolution for us to use. But thanks for the eagle-eyed vigilance :)
Title: Re: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 04 August, 2014, 01:46:31 PM
Are we looking at a volume that doesn't reprint these 4 strips if they can't be found, or one that includes lower quality copies with a disclaimer?
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 04 August, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
If none of them can be found we'll go with the low res copies. But, to be honest, they'd look pretty crap.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 August, 2014, 02:03:12 PM
 The sheer amount of work going into this book is something truly wonderful - a fitting tip of the hat to Ron's cracking art.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 04 August, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
If none of them can be found we'll go with the low res copies. But, to be honest, they'd look pretty crap.
To expensive to have someone restore, or would that not be authentic enough for the collection? (Or both?)
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Proudhuff on 04 August, 2014, 03:32:58 PM
According to our catalogue the NLs has copies of the Daily Star for these dates, I'll order them up and see if the strips survive.

Title: Re: Re: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 04 August, 2014, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 04 August, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
If none of them can be found we'll go with the low res copies. But, to be honest, they'd look pretty crap.

That's good to know, even if they won't look that good. Could contact details be added in case anyone buying the book has their own copy and isn't aware of their being missing. If they do turn up  maybe they could be added to Vol 2?

In an ideal world, there would be room for a short history of the strip (by Leigh S?)

Let me know if you need higher-res copies of my BL print outs.

And I'd like to echo the thanks of everyone here for going above and beyond the call of duty. Vol 2 should be much easier, the only problem being trying to keep up with the Daily Star's own mistakes!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Frank on 04 August, 2014, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 04 August, 2014, 03:32:58 PM
According to our catalogue the NLs has copies of the Daily Star for these dates, I'll order them up and see if the strips survive.

Good man, Huff.

Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: James Stacey on 04 August, 2014, 05:36:18 PM
Were they printed on the same date in the different papers?
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Devons Daddy on 05 August, 2014, 11:44:24 AM
shared this on Facebook.
a brilliant move i might add,
even if we do not find them in this method, the ability to remind and promote is always a great one.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 05 August, 2014, 10:05:04 PM
I check into this thread on a regular basis, just to see if there is any news. Sorry for not being more help, but I do want to give Tharg my groats.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Proudhuff on 06 August, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: Molch-R on 04 August, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
If none of them can be found we'll go with the low res copies. But, to be honest, they'd look pretty crap.

The National Library of Scotland has all four, I've looked them out and read em. :D

We can do High Res images for publication, I'm sure your guys are used to dealing this sort of thing: http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services)   http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees)


I'm happy to help out at this end.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Frank on 06 August, 2014, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 August, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
The National Library of Scotland has all four, I've looked them out and read em. :D

We can do High Res images for publication, I'm sure your guys are used to dealing this sort of thing: http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services)   http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees)

I'm happy to help out at this end.

Ya dancer! KTT for that man.

Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Molch-R on 06 August, 2014, 11:43:21 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 August, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: Molch-R on 04 August, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
If none of them can be found we'll go with the low res copies. But, to be honest, they'd look pretty crap.

The National Library of Scotland has all four, I've looked them out and read em. :D

We can do High Res images for publication, I'm sure your guys are used to dealing this sort of thing: http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services)   http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees)


I'm happy to help out at this end.

Lovely, thanks Proudhuff - do let Keith know (he's off sick today, though)
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 06 August, 2014, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 August, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
I'm happy to help out at this end.

Get in, my son! :-)

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Bolt-01 on 06 August, 2014, 12:36:30 PM
Nice one Proudhuff!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: 8-Ball on 06 August, 2014, 12:42:11 PM
Quote from: sauchie post office on 06 August, 2014, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 August, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
The National Library of Scotland has all four, I've looked them out and read em. :D

We can do High Res images for publication, I'm sure your guys are used to dealing this sort of thing: http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services)   http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees)

I'm happy to help out at this end.

Ya dancer! KTT for that man.

I second this nomination. :D
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Proudhuff on 06 August, 2014, 12:46:52 PM
Just wait until the byzantine repro permissions paper trail has been traviled before we go gettin too excited  ;)
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: 8-Ball on 06 August, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 August, 2014, 12:46:52 PM
Just wait until the byzantine repro permissions paper trail has been traviled before we go gettin too excited  ;)

A mere triviality. :D
Seriously though, I'm just glad that "The Four" have been tracked down and can be considered to be in relatively good nick. Or at least in better condition to what Rebellion were going to have to go with.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: James Stacey on 06 August, 2014, 01:54:35 PM
All hail the Huff!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Dash Decent on 06 August, 2014, 02:19:28 PM
Well done, that man!

I hope Tharg in his infinite wisdom includes a "with thanks to" note somewhere in the book, even if it has to be in small print shoehorned onto the publication details page.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 06 August, 2014, 03:44:28 PM
Great news!

EDIT: No KTT though. He'd only pawn it.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Banners on 06 August, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Hurrah - what a result!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Spikes on 06 August, 2014, 04:47:19 PM
Did somebody say 'better together'?  But well done Sir!


Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Steve Green on 06 August, 2014, 04:51:15 PM
Well done!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Leigh S on 06 August, 2014, 07:45:43 PM
Brilliant!  Now that's teamwork...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: glassstanley on 06 August, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
Fantastic news! As Rebellion are the copyright holders I hope that might make gaining permission for use simpler!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: dweezil2 on 06 August, 2014, 10:36:10 PM
Drokking awesome news!

A complete Vol 1!   :D
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: flesario on 06 August, 2014, 10:49:54 PM
So volume one out next week then!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Proudhuff on 08 August, 2014, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 06 August, 2014, 11:43:21 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 August, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: Molch-R on 04 August, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
If none of them can be found we'll go with the low res copies. But, to be honest, they'd look pretty crap.

The National Library of Scotland has all four, I've looked them out and read em. :D

We can do High Res images for publication, I'm sure your guys are used to dealing this sort of thing: http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services)   http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees (http://www.nls.uk/using-the-library/copying-services/permission-fees)


I'm happy to help out at this end.

Lovely, thanks Proudhuff - do let Keith know (he's off sick today, though)

Not on FB   :-[ so maybe someone else could nudge, prod, poke or whatever one does to let Keith know the Grail rests north of Hadrian's Wall.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Steve Green on 08 August, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
I'll message him.
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 09 August, 2014, 08:45:35 PM
Get in their! Nice one Huff!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Trout on 10 August, 2014, 02:00:26 AM
Hey Huff, this thread was started on the 7th of May. You took your time!  ;)

[spoiler](Well done that man.)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Bat King on 11 August, 2014, 12:42:39 AM
I missed the news from Proudhuff....

Excellent!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Buttonman on 11 August, 2014, 12:46:21 AM
Bah! It's the worst result possible! Proudhuff saving the day (for once). I'd check the strips - he probably stole Granny's telly to pay for the photocopies!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Fungus on 11 August, 2014, 02:29:35 AM
He'll be (more) insufferable...

PS. Nice one!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 12 August, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
Of course if next month's vote goes for independence we may need an extradition treaty to get them.
Or a tunnel
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Max Headroom on 23 August, 2014, 05:13:34 PM
Just wondered how things were going with this, Mr Proudhuff? Has there been any joy with those high-res scans and are things on course for November?
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Proudhuff on 25 August, 2014, 10:11:55 AM
I believe the Rebellion chap pulling all this together is on hols just now and plans to get em on his return. meanwhile I guard em with my life!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: 8-Ball on 25 August, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 25 August, 2014, 10:11:55 AM
I believe the Rebellion chap pulling all this together is on hols just now and plans to get em on his return. meanwhile I guard em with my life!

Keep those Thrill-suckers at bay. :D
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Leigh S on 20 October, 2014, 06:10:26 PM
November!!!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Spikes on 20 October, 2014, 06:15:26 PM
^ He's right, you know!

(http://i.imgur.com/v4r8EWh.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 October, 2014, 08:31:06 PM



So there'll be a special edition of this available...
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: SuperSurfer on 20 October, 2014, 10:51:59 PM
"Betelgeusian‎, with these publications, you're really spoiling us."
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Fungus on 20 October, 2014, 11:09:44 PM
Really looking forward to this, only followed the Ron Smith strips at the time (but I'm sure some Sci-Fi Special reprinted some of Ian Gibson's). At 320 pgs HC this sounds like 5-star treatment, should be a handsome volume  :)
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Pete Wells on 21 October, 2014, 06:56:43 AM
This and the Dredd movie book are my most anticipated books of the year.

Can't wait, pure, concentrated Dredd those Daily star strips!
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Bubba Zebill on 21 October, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
The only highlight of a an otherwise miserable paper-round was that strip as I packed the papers (my folks never bought that rag).
Title: Re: Missing 'Daily Star' Dredd episodes - can you help?
Post by: Rogue Earthlet on 25 October, 2014, 01:21:55 AM
Quote from: Bubba Zebill on 21 October, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
The only highlight of a an otherwise miserable paper-round was that strip as I packed the papers (my folks never bought that rag).

I bought that rag solely for the Dredd strip. Can't remember how I discovered Dredd in  the Star, hadn't heard of him, or 2000AD, before, but after seeing one strip I bought the rag every Saturday, then daily when Dredd was included in every issue, and graduated to 2000AD in time. Still have many of the Saturday strips I cut from the paper, the abruptness of a story in a few pictures was a great format for Dredd.