Well that anthology from Mark Millar has now been announced:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/05/04/clint-magazine-mark-millars-new-monthly-anthology-includes-kick-ass-sequel/
As previous discussed here:
www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,25908.0.html
www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,28305.0.html
I'm sure things like:
QuoteIt's going to be a massive venture and one aimed almost entirely at the UK. If people in the US want a copy that's great, but this is being put together with casual British readers in mind, a combination of comic-books, interviews and features for 16-30 year old men
It may be carefully worded so people can't say "what about... 2000AD/Viz/etc?" but it does rather ignore the Megazine ;)
Still... I'll be picking up a copy as it could well be an important development in British comics.
have to say, if he actually manages all this it sounds like a real breakthrough for Uk comics.
As I said on the old thread: a high-profile UK comic launch with the potential to achieve real penetration of the high street market? Hard pressed to see a downside for British comics, TBH.
Cheers!
Jim
Sounds like DEADLINE.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 04 May, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Sounds like DEADLINE.
I wrote a business plan for pretty much this exact product in 2000 -- "Deadline but less reliant on humour strips". I was confident I could make it work, but what I couldn't do was raise the £250,000 in launch costs, nor persuade a bank to let me start up a business that would be £500,000 in a hole before a single penny of revenue materialized.
Those numbers will be quite a lot larger by now, but Millar's name has the weight to get backers on board and -- I would imagine -- he has pretty deep pockets of his own.
Cheers!
Jim
Plus Titan Magazines have a long series of successes with licensed properties so they have 15 years worth contacts and resources to get this right into newsagents across the land (an distribution can make or break this kind of thing too, see for example The DFC):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Magazines
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 May, 2010, 05:13:25 PM
As I said on the old thread: a high-profile UK comic launch with the potential to achieve real penetration of the high street market? Hard pressed to see a downside for British comics, TBH.
The trickle down effect if this is a success could be great for all of us here - if it gets people interested in checking out what is available then 2000AD would be the obvious next place to look.
I am also reminded of the success of Viz - in the late eighties/early nineties there must have been half a dozen titles launched to cash in on this. They all crashed an burned but I suspect people are a bit more canny than the obvious cash-in and it could be the wave of publicity is large for another couple of titles to capitalise on. Of course, it might end up like the Eighties boom that saw Deadline, Toxic! and Crisis but even then we ended up with some great and influential comics, even if they aren't with us today.
So fingers and toes crossed.
Quotea combination of comic-books, interviews and features for 16-30 year old men
That counts me out then.
Well no one slaged off Mark Millars 2000ad work more than me, but I have to say good on him.... well I did til I saw RTDs name in the credits!
No.. must resist... This is a bold move, and you can't help but applaud it.. .go go Millar and er... go go RTD!
(Well there's a sentence I never thought I'd see, let alone write!)
Hmm - Armando Iannuci being involved might even make me buy the darned thing....
Umm ... Millar's gone on to say that those names were people he's been steering in the direction of Marvel, not people who are involved with this project.
Cheers!
Jim
QuoteHe's quoted as saying "I want this to be edgy and irreverent, the kind of thing guys will be passing around lunch-halls and common rooms
QuoteMark Millar is calling the 100 page magazine "The Eagle for the 21st Century"
Isn't that what 2000AD was/is?
Millar's mag sounds more like "Look-In" for the 21st Century with all those telly people involved.
I'm only being cynical cos it's Millar.
Quote from: Garageman on 04 May, 2010, 07:17:55 PM
Quotea combination of comic-books, interviews and features for 16-30 year old men
That counts me out then.
and me, sounds a bit like a skud-mag (NUTS, Front, Ad nauseam) with comic strips added
Quote from: Leigh Shepherd on 04 May, 2010, 07:36:46 PM
Hmm - Armando Iannuci being involved might even make me buy the darned thing....
I don't think AI or RTD are in this, Rich seems to have linked this announcement to early ones but Millar says they aren't connected:
QuotePS The news has been slightly mis-reported online with rumours of other writers involved not in the press release, but as these are all emphatically wrong (those people were writers I was pushing into Marvel and another venture I'm working on) and I wanted to make sure the correct info was out there for readers.
http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=93109
Also made the Beed:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8660718.stm
If Mark Millar revitalises the British comics industry, then the world may explode from too much irony.
Whatever way this goes I'm impressed Mark's giving it a shot. I've liked all his marvel work recently. Can't wait to see this mag. There's is plenty of room for another major UK title.
Well I'll buy it, but he's talking bollocks. As already mentioned, what about 2000ad and the Meg? Their readership are his target audience.
Quote from: Daveycandlish on 04 May, 2010, 09:41:49 PM
Their readership are his target audience.
What, all twelve of us? I don't think so.
I might as well bring this over from the other thread:
QuoteIf this thing is going to succeed, it's not going to be through targeting the existing minuscule UK comics market, it's going to come through using names like Frankie Boyle and products like Hollywood movies to shoehorn the new title into the mainstream consciousness. The existing 2000AD readership will either come along, or we won't, but there's nothing to be gained by courting us -- we already buy comics. This thing will succeed by selling to people who don't buy comics and have likely never even heard of 2000AD beyond a possible vague awareness of a shit Stallone film.
Cheers!
Jim
QuoteWhat, all twelve of us? I don't think so.
My thoughts exactly.
2000AD is now essentially a niche publication. Millar's project seems to be aimed squarely at a far more mainstream audience, one that has now eluded 2000AD for years.
If it's out there, I think CLiNT has a better chance of finding it than 2000AD's ill-judged attempts of yesteryear, such as the "girls just don't get it" Loaded thing.
Some more thoughts from Rich Johnston:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/05/04/thinking-about-mark-millars-clint-magazine/
Quote from: Emperor on 04 May, 2010, 10:39:59 PM
Some more thoughts from Rich Johnston:
Wow. Viz still at 80,000 an issue? My business plan broke even at under 15,000 an issue. 50-75,000 copies and we'd have been minted. Obviously, I wasn't anticipating paying the likes of Jonathan Ross but, even so, that suggests there's more mileage in the shelf space between FHM and Viz than I'd have given credit.
Cheers!
Jim
Clint mag @ Twitter:
http://twitter.com/clintmag
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 May, 2010, 11:08:19 PMWow. Viz still at 80,000 an issue?
Yep the ABC mag results are a good guide on such things.
http://www.abc.org.uk/Data/ProductPage.aspx?tid=1363
Although at their height they were selling a million copies, so that is quite a drop ;)
What always surprises me is that The Dandy sells 18k:
http://www.abc.org.uk/Data/ProductPage.aspx?tid=20167
While the Beano sells 52k:
http://www.abc.org.uk/Data/ProductPage.aspx?tid=20166
Toxic is on 46k:
http://www.abc.org.uk/Data/ProductPage.aspx?tid=12267
That should give you an idea of the range
IMO this is great news from an unlikley source.
Fair play to him for giving it a go, not many other creators that have made it big in the States have given somthing back to the British comics industry(not that they have to) which makes it more admirable.
I presume he is going for the Loaded/MensFitness/Uncut end of the market rather than Nuts etc. If it is anyway of a triumph, it can only be of help to 2000ad and the Meg which may be able to ride in its coatails. Even if it isint it will bring media attention, even if it is people pointing out on blogs that Clint isint the only comics on the newsstand.
Seem strange to see Millar in a reasonably good light, didnt like most of his 2kad work(liked Silo, Cannon Fodder was OK), and the only thing that I read of his american work was the run on Swamp Thing.
One issue still stands out as one of the best comics I have read, drawn by Chris Weston, about if the NAZIs won WW2. Cant remember the issue number, but worth looking out for.
David
Damn I need to get with the times. I posted on the older thread - ho hum sure you've not missed much!
In summary good news all round if it gets more people reading comics hopefully can only benefit 2000ad.
Silly title mind...
Normal double post apologise but in the other thread I mentioned
QuoteWas there an episode of Nathan Barley where Sugar Ape magazine was written sugaRAPE or am I imagining that? Anyway slighty silly titles aside this is great news.
and trust good old Rich Johnson to be way ahead of me and over at Bleeding Cool posting this
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/sugarape.jpg)
I soemthime think Mark Millar really might live in the land of Nathan Barley!
Can't stand Frankie Boyle. He stoops to the lowest common denominator when trying to get a laugh, put me off reading this already...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8611275.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8611275.stm)
Quote from: LARF on 05 May, 2010, 12:45:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8611275.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8611275.stm)
Translation:
"I've always been happy for Frankie Boyle to take the piss out of issues that were sensitive to other people, but I draw the line at issues that are sensitive to me."Sorry, but what a fucking hypocrite.
Jim
Quote from: LARF on 05 May, 2010, 12:45:48 PM
Can't stand Frankie Boyle. He stoops to the lowest common denominator when trying to get a laugh, put me off reading this already...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8611275.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8611275.stm)
Not my cup of tea either i have to say.
Its too crass and too obviously trying to be provocative nad its always at someone elses expense.
I dont like humor or anything else which is self consciously going out of its way to shock and be provocative for its own sake particularly.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 May, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: LARF on 05 May, 2010, 12:45:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8611275.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8611275.stm)
Translation: "I've always been happy for Frankie Boyle to take the piss out of issues that were sensitive to other people, but I draw the line at issues that are sensitive to me."
Sorry, but what a fucking hypocrite.
Jim
There is that. Plus, we are not told the context of Boyle's remarks.
The only upside is that perhaps amongst the Boyles and Rosses there will be work for a few british artists / writers / colourists etc.
Quote from: BPP on 05 May, 2010, 08:35:27 PM
The only upside is that perhaps amongst the Boyles and Rosses there will be work for a few british artists / writers / colourists etc.
Balls.
A new British title launched into the mass market with all the noise that will accrue can
only be a good thing for British comics, which are otherwise pretty much dead in the water.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 May, 2010, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: BPP on 05 May, 2010, 08:35:27 PM
The only upside is that perhaps amongst the Boyles and Rosses there will be work for a few british artists / writers / colourists etc.
Balls.
A new British title launched into the mass market with all the noise that will accrue can only be a good thing for British comics, which are otherwise pretty much dead in the water.
Unless it crashes and burns so badly no one will dare launch a new comic for a decade. :(
I can't see any reason it won't be a success though. I have to assume Millar is really only the ringmaster (with general pimping and bringing in celebrity chums) and Titan will be taking on all the tricky stuff like making sure the magazine gets put together and published on time, as well as getting onto the shelves.
I feel the big question will be: Could it be such a success that it helps other ventures get off the ground?
Quote from: Emperor on 05 May, 2010, 09:04:58 PM
Unless it crashes and burns so badly no one will dare launch a new comic for a decade.
Leaving us pretty much no worse off than we are now, to be honest. Exciting new comic launches have been pretty thin on the ground in the
last decade.
Cheers
Jim
QuoteCould it be such a success that it helps other ventures get off the ground?
Depends on the content, I dont think anything like this has been launched before to try to get as wide a readership as its looking to get. If it ends up been self indulgent (anyone remember heartbreak hotel, Mr Ross please stand up) it will go the way of Crisis and Deadline, too adult and you going down either the Viz or Heavy Metal road, Sci Fi or Horror and its heading in 2000ads direction. All these roads lead to niche market.
If this comic is to be like Millar wants it to be, he needs to get people who dont normally buy comics to get it. There will be some who will get it for the film content and Ross's name, but it need to be damn good for them to stick around and remember to pick it up again in a months time. A tough job ahead.
On the plus side with Titan mags Publishing, they are a great outfit, contrary to what people say British comics are not dead, just vastly different to what we read as kids from the newsagents.
Titan are the leader in publishing these TV and Film related comics, The Simpsons having sales of around 100000, plus others like Transformers averaging around 50000, these guys know what they are doing, and do not often back a loser.
David
Well I'll certainly pick it up when it comes out. It has been a looooooooooooooong time since there was anything new like this around. Yeah, I'm excited about it. Not a huge Mark Millar fan but thats irrelevant and I'll support this for the possible benefits to the UK comic industry in general, if not because it turns out to be very good.
Quote from: maryanddavid on 05 May, 2010, 09:33:42 PM
On the plus side with Titan mags Publishing, they are a great outfit, contrary to what people say British comics are not dead, just vastly different to what we read as kids from the newsagents.
Not that different:
Quote from: maryanddavid on 05 May, 2010, 09:33:42 PMTitan are the leader in publishing these TV and Film related comics, The Simpsons having sales of around 100000, plus others like Transformers averaging around 50000, these guys know what they are doing, and do not often back a loser.
As a kid I read Marvel UK comics like Star Wars, Doctor Who and even have a couple of Blake's Seven ones (and Marvel UK were publishing Transformers back in the day too). They are good "gateway" comics, those based on licensed properties. Problem is they can be a bit of a dead end if the fans of the property look no further, but it worked for me ;)
Sounds like Millar's comic might be one that could open things up nicely. I'm sure we'll all be following this one closely.
Balls.
A new British title launched into the mass market with all the noise that will accrue can only be a good thing for British comics, which are otherwise pretty much dead in the water.
Cheers
Jim
[/quote]
that 'balls. / cheers' dichotomy always leaves me perplexed.
Are you saying 'cheers' sardonically in keeping with the rudeness of your introduction or 'balls' joshingly depsite the format of it imperiously standing alone at the start of your reply?
Either way Millar work has never interested me and largely in genres and conventions I've no liking for and little interest in. 2 stories written by him and one by Ross and one by Boyle aren't going to interest me in the slightest. Nevertheless Good luck to em and all involved and all those sending in submissions to them. Me? I'll keep on giving my change to the prog and meg and appreciate just how great those two long-standing forums for developing British talent really are.
Quote from: BPP on 05 May, 2010, 11:34:28 PM
that 'balls. / cheers' dichotomy always leaves me perplexed.
Are you saying 'cheers' sardonically in keeping with the rudeness of your introduction or 'balls' joshingly depsite the format of it imperiously standing alone at the start of your reply?
Either way Millar work has never interested me and largely in genres and conventions I've no liking for and little interest in. 2 stories written by him and one by Ross and one by Boyle aren't going to interest me in the slightest. Nevertheless Good luck to em and all involved and all those sending in submissions to them. Me? I'll keep on giving my change to the prog and meg and appreciate just how great those two long-standing forums for developing British talent really are.
I was saying "Balls" because I disagreed with you, on grounds set out quite clearly in the remainder of the post which followed, and in several posts on this subject prior to that.
Your post suggests an either/or attitude towards Millar's venture and 2000AD, which seems an oddly hostile stance to take to a proposed publication that, to the extent that we currently understand it, will either fail horribly or expand the potential reader-base of British comics more radically than anything has done for a generation. Liking Millar's material is not a prerequisite for recognising this.
I say "Cheers" because this is an internet forum dedicated to sundry discussions by adult fans of a comic created thirty years ago for the entertainment of children and, thus, anything posted here is hardly worth getting as upset about as someone, say, poking you in the eye. If it, or, indeed, I bother you that much then I would invite you to deploy the "Ignore" function this forum so generously offers.
Cheers
Jim
Ok Jim, enough...how much is Millar paying you?
Quote from: Garageman on 05 May, 2010, 11:56:04 PM
Ok Jim, enough...how much is Millar paying you?
Humour?
As I've said: ten years ago, I wrote a business proposal for what amounts to this
exact product. Get it right, and it'll make money hand over fist,
and it'll expand the potential readership for UK comics enormously. Get it right, and there'll be other titles following in its wake to cash in, and there will be opportunities for people who currently can't break in to British comics because the field is so small to actually make money from doing comics.
You only have to look at the quality of the small press in the UK to see that half these guys would have professional gigs if they'd been trying to break in twenty-odd years ago. I want them to have that opportunity again: I want to see a resurgent British comic industry.
Am I wrong to pin my hopes on Millar's efforts? Perhaps. But I choose optimism over pessimism and, again, I've run the numbers on a publication like this, and mine broke even at a very low figure.
As I've said from the start: I'm struggling to see a downside. How about you?
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 May, 2010, 11:49:55 PM
Your post suggests an either/or attitude towards Millar's venture and 2000AD, which seems an oddly hostile stance to take to a proposed publication that, to the extent that we currently understand it, will either fail horribly or expand the potential reader-base of British comics more radically than anything has done for a generation. Liking Millar's material is not a prerequisite for recognising this.
I say "Cheers" because this is an internet forum dedicated to sundry discussions by adult fans of a comic created thirty years ago for the entertainment of children and, thus, anything posted here is hardly worth getting as upset about as someone, say, poking you in the eye. If it, or, indeed, I bother you that much then I would invite you to deploy the "Ignore" function this forum so generously offers.
Cheers
Jim
i think you should stop attributing to peoples posts readings they clearly can't sustain.
It seems standard in this forum to have an either / or attitude to the Meg and you'll not find one post from me saying anything other than 'its great, keep the faith, you can't like all the fish all the time'. In light of that an either / or attitude to 'CLINT' seems more than sustainable - but even then I dont say that. Millar - I've no interest in. Comics written by two 'celebrities' rather than say giving Al Ewing or any of the guys that have done decent future shocks an alternative forum - I've no interest in. And yet.. AND YET I say 'hope it gives some art talent an alternative forum to make a living AND good luck to all involved.
Whatevers got your goat isn't my problem.
I am finding the CLINT/CUNt title slightly irritiating.It was funny for a couple of seconds and then not funny at all after that but all i keep reading here is "Mark Millars Cunt" over and over again.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 06 May, 2010, 12:08:39 AM
As I've said: ten years ago, I wrote a business proposal for what amounts to this exact product. Get it right, and it'll make money hand over fist, and it'll expand the potential readership for UK comics enormously. Get it right, and there'll be other titles following in its wake to cash in, and there will be opportunities for people who currently can't break in to British comics because the field is so small to actually make money from doing comics.
Cheers
Jim
I agree with that
Quote from: BPP on 06 May, 2010, 12:21:43 AM
Millar - I've no interest in. Comics written by two 'celebrities' rather than say giving Al Ewing or any of the guys that have done decent future shocks an alternative forum - I've no interest in. And yet.. AND YET I say 'hope it gives some art talent an alternative forum to make a living AND good luck to all involved.
And i agree with that as well and it would be nice and very much appreciated if Mark Miller could stop being a Dick and at least acknowledge the existence of 2000ad [not a lot to ask] which helped in no small way towards his success but i guess this project will be all about Mark Millar and his irreverent comedian chums.
We will see........
On the other hand it has to feature those kind of names because it is very clearly being targetted at a certain demographic to maximise sales so its understandable from a business point of view as unfortunate as that is.
Quote from: BPP on 06 May, 2010, 12:21:43 AM
i think you should stop attributing to peoples posts readings they clearly can't sustain.
And I note that you have abandoned, or retreated from, your previous assertion that:
QuoteThe only upside is that perhaps amongst the Boyles and Rosses there will be work for a few british artists / writers / colourists etc.
It was
this I was disagreeing with, which you should probably have picked up on by the fact that it was this statement I quoted directly before disagreeing with it. I set out my reasons why I felt that there was a great deal more of an upside, but you don't seem inclined to engage with those, or to explain why you think they might not be positive.
It was
you who then decided to respond with an attack on my posting style, whilst modifying (or, perhaps, clarifying) your position to "Good luck to 'em all."
Nonetheless, you go on to say:
QuoteMe? I'll keep on giving my change to the prog and meg and appreciate just how great those two long-standing forums for developing British talent really are.
If I mis-read that as you 'picking a side' and that 'side' being 2000AD, then I apologize for the mis-reading, but your words seem to invite that interpretation.
You then go on to say:
QuoteIt seems standard in this forum to have an either / or attitude to the Meg and you'll not find one post from me saying anything other than 'its great, keep the faith, you can't like all the fish all the time'.
Strawman, much? Did I suggest, for
one moment that you'd taken a negative position towards the Meg? And what relevance does it have to the argument at hand? This is no more than shameless misdirection.
QuoteWhatevers got your goat isn't my problem.
Well, attacks on my posting style, and inventing whole arguments I never made
are likely to annoy me, yes.
CheersJim
Desperate stuff.
Much like calling a magazine 'clint'.
Speaking as a writer with his feet on the bottom rungs of the ladder, I welcome any other publication that gives me- and every other writer and artist in my position- another chance to get published.
I'll be buying it.
I like Frankie Boyle as well.
I understand there are quite a lot of comic and sf types hiding on the comedy circuit.
I know success in one medium doesn't guarentee success in another but I don't feel this will automatically be the equivalent of Jordan releasing an album; some of these boys know and love their sf and comics.
Feel free to disagree with any of the above.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 May, 2010, 11:49:55 PM...anything posted here is hardly worth getting as upset about as someone, say, poking you in the eye. If it, or, indeed, I bother you that much then I would invite you to deploy the "Ignore" function this forum so generously offers.
Cheers
Jim
Said the angriest man on the internet ;) Its meant to be a joke, dont call me a Clint!
I'm actually looking forward to this as said before any new comic in the shops without a toy on the front is great news.
I think that this is great news. I know a lot of people slate Millar for various reasons- but I missed the era of 2000ad that he seems to get all the stick for, and I've liked pretty much all of his output that I've read since. Plus... you know... NEW British comic. You don't get to hear that very often.
It has the opportunity to be a giant sink hole for his cold, hard cash- so I'm pleased that he's giving it a go, rather than simply investing it in something sensible.
Nice one.
Quote from: The Satanist on 06 May, 2010, 01:08:50 PM
Said the angriest man on the internet ;) Its meant to be a joke, dont call me a Clint!
And
you can fuck off an' all, FLiCKER!
Cheers
Jim
Interesting. Millar expands upon his strategy in response to a question from Andy Diggle: (http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=93141&st=0)
QuoteI want to use the mag to break in new talent too and a three page story every month is a perfect training ground to see if someone deserves a series in the second year. The first year is worked out entirely already, but I've reserved two to four pages every issue for new talent.
Unusually, I'm not launching with regular comic book writers because people like you and I mean nothing to UK shopkeepers. All they care about is Jonathan and Frankie and I wouldn't even use ME if it wasn't for the fact I'm launching this on the back of the Kick-Ass DVD and shopkeepers will know the brand. I'm taking an entirely new approach here and trying to create a new kind of book, a hybrid market that nobody's ever reached out to before. The deal is a good one, though the first year needs to be publicly-known writers and media personalities to catch the eye of the casual mainstream. My plan for year two and three would be to reach out to established comic-book people and bring them in once the magazine has found an audience.
Cheers!
Jim
"the balls/cheers Dichotomy"
:lol:
Sounds like some ancient philosophical paradox!
I keep think that Zombo would have been perfectly suited for featuring in CLINT as to me it has all the right ingredients that the demographic might like.Thats mostly because it has this humor in it a Zombie in it and it doesnt take itself too seriously as a strip plus it has fantastic artwork.
Just a thought.
New website for CLiNT. More info on what's in the first issue...
http://clintmag.com/
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 25 August, 2010, 04:48:16 PM
More info on what's in the first issue...
Hmmm. Interested in Michael Dowling's artwork and mildly curious to see what Frankie Boyle does now he's got an Alan Moore beard, but other than that there's nothing there I'm going to spend money on. Unsurprisingly the 'cunt' 'joke' has already worn thin to the point of irritation. Bah.
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 August, 2010, 05:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 25 August, 2010, 04:48:16 PM
More info on what's in the first issue...
Unsurprisingly the 'cunt' 'joke' has already worn thin to the point of irritation. Bah.
I never found it funny in the first place.
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I have got to say that the cover design is a disaster.
If Mark Millar has gone to the effort of getting the magazine/comic together WHY make it look exactly the same as trash like FHM - NUTS - HEAT - ZOO etc etc ??
*****DESPAIR*********
Anyway i do know that this publication is important to the UK comic industry and it has wider implications so i hope it is successful and it generates more interest in comics in general but i dont really feel that this publication is my thing as it is very clear who it is aimed it.I will have a browse through it but i doubt that i will buy it but for christs sake fire the design and layout team and start over because its cheap and tacky looking and its attrocious.
Its a comic thats a magazine but its a magazine thats also comic or its a comic or whatever i dont really know......
Huw Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huw_Edwards_%28journalist%29) Presents Space Oddities? Really?
http://clintmag.com/features/announcements/see-your-work-clint/
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 August, 2010, 05:21:09 PMIf Mark Millar has gone to the effort of getting the magazine/comic together WHY make it look exactly the same as trash like FHM - NUTS - HEAT - ZOO etc etc ??
Because the audience he is pitching it to is somewhere between SFX and lad's mags.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 August, 2010, 05:21:09 PMIts a comic thats a magazine but its a magazine thats also comic or its a comic or whatever i dont really know......
Its a comic magazine - the format has never been done before, expect you know with the Megazine and all those other similar publications over the years ;)
I'll give this a go. Getting a new comic book into the UK market must be a tough sell-it's certainly worth a look, if nothing else.
And as for the book's title? I always assumed it was because Miller is a big Clint(brother of Ron)Howard fan!
So it's a non-Megazine magazine? I'll buy the first one to have a goo but I don't see myself as a regular as I generally don't like potpourri mags or Mark Millar. It looks generic but I suppose they're straddling several stools, trying hard not to be called a comic while trying to sneak one in. I hope it works out though as the intentions are good.
Quote from: Garageman on 25 August, 2010, 05:56:19 PM
I'll buy the first one to have a goo
It's not that kind of mag, is it? ;)
No- I'll certainly give it a try, but if the strips aren't great (and I wasn't massivly impressed with Kick Ass... at least, not enough to see the movie) I'll probably not bother past issue three. If anything is particularly good after that, I'm sure this board will let me know, and I'll buy the inevitable trade.
But frankly, the cover puts me right off.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 25 August, 2010, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 25 August, 2010, 05:56:19 PM
I'll buy the first one to have a goo
It's not that kind of mag, is it? ;)
With Johnathan Ross it's more of a
gander.
Is Lobster Random making an appearance too:
(http://media.titanmagazines.com/magazines/issues/spreads/cd/9d/cd9df9277c8e6f048277160558dd86fe0f3847b0.jpg)
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 25 August, 2010, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 25 August, 2010, 05:56:19 PM
I'll buy the first one to have a goo
It's not that kind of mag, is it? ;)
No- I'll certainly give it a try, but if the strips aren't great (and I wasn't massivly impressed with Kick Ass... at least, not enough to see the movie) I'll probably not bother past issue three. If anything is particularly good after that, I'm sure this board will let me know, and I'll buy the inevitable trade.
But frankly, the cover puts me right off.
SBT
I saw the movie and read the first issue; movie is a LOT better/more enjoyable.
I was interested in it at first. I don't care for Millar much but I did like his Ultimates (when it first started).
I may check it out. I just hope it's not all style and no substance. Kinda like how Marvel's Max line was created under the assumption that Vertigo comics sold because they had cuss words in 'em.
I have not read or watched Kick Ass. I do, however, know some younger people who love the movie and have never read comics. If this can bridge the gap that would be great. It will sell to those people at least.
isn't there an 'A' missing from this thread's title?
Quote from: Emperor on 25 August, 2010, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 August, 2010, 05:21:09 PMIf Mark Millar has gone to the effort of getting the magazine/comic together WHY make it look exactly the same as trash like FHM - NUTS - HEAT - ZOO etc etc ??
Because the audience he is pitching it to is somewhere between SFX and lad's mags.
Exactomundo... they have said from the start that this is aimed at the 16-25 year old, heavy fisted man (I paraphrase); expect covers from now on to feature supercharged boobs and the content to be weapons and booty based. Oh dear, I just increased circulation didn't I.....?
Still, I shall admit that it has high production values (ie, nice colours) and that I hope it creates demand for comic books so that those whose work I'm more interested in reading get their shot on the shelves.
Oh, and Frankie Boyle, there's no excuse. SHAVE, you lazy man, SHAVE.
I really don't like the style they are going for with the cover. Just looks like another one of those glossy lads mags that I don't buy. I know that's the point, of course. I'm sure I'll force myself to buy the first one and hopefully it will be good enough to get me hooked.
Its seems obvious that if someone else copied this new format then they could call it TVVAT magazine.
Its funny that you can do the same thing with two different words that mean the same thing.
TV VAT? I think you've just come up with the name for a latter day version of Look-In magazine, Peter.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 25 August, 2010, 10:49:11 PM
TV VAT? I think you've just come up with the name for a latter day version of Look-In magazine, Peter.
Yeah but if it launched today it'd be called something cunning so that the title would resemble Fookin. ;)
Quote from: Emperor on 25 August, 2010, 11:00:36 PM
Yeah but if it launched today it'd be called something cunning so that the title would resemble Fookin. ;)
My new magazine about annoying roosters is going to be
massive...
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/Mag_Logo.png)
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Lady Festina on 25 August, 2010, 07:14:00 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 25 August, 2010, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 August, 2010, 05:21:09 PMIf Mark Millar has gone to the effort of getting the magazine/comic together WHY make it look exactly the same as trash like FHM - NUTS - HEAT - ZOO etc etc ??
Because the audience he is pitching it to is somewhere between SFX and lad's mags.
Exactomundo... they have said from the start that this is aimed at the 16-25 year old, heavy fisted man (I paraphrase); expect covers from now on to feature supercharged boobs and the content to be weapons and booty based. Oh dear, I just increased circulation didn't I.....?
Probably ;)
If you needed any clearer sign of where this is being aimed at one of the features being promoted on the cover is "Hot Mums". ::)
Quote from: Emperor on 26 August, 2010, 12:46:26 AM
Quote from: Lady Festina on 25 August, 2010, 07:14:00 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 25 August, 2010, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 25 August, 2010, 05:21:09 PMIf Mark Millar has gone to the effort of getting the magazine/comic together WHY make it look exactly the same as trash like FHM - NUTS - HEAT - ZOO etc etc ??
Because the audience he is pitching it to is somewhere between SFX and lad's mags.
Exactomundo... they have said from the start that this is aimed at the 16-25 year old, heavy fisted man (I paraphrase); expect covers from now on to feature supercharged boobs and the content to be weapons and booty based. Oh dear, I just increased circulation didn't I.....?
Probably ;)
If you needed any clearer sign of where this is being aimed at one of the features being promoted on the cover is "Hot Mums". ::)
I believe the article you mention is a hard hitting expose on single parents who can't afford air conditioning through the long summer months.
No? Just T&A then?
Yeah, you know what? British comics industry or not, i hate being patronised, and since i have no love for millar and certainly none for jonathan ross, i'll give this a miss. Anything decent i'll borrow from my library in due course, when the trades arrive.
SBT
Quote from: Emperor on 26 August, 2010, 12:46:26 AM
If you needed any clearer sign of where this is being aimed at one of the features being promoted on the cover is "Hot Mums". ::)
Wow! Didn't realise Roger got a commission....
I think I'll wait for the trade.
Mark Millar's Complete CLiNT.
:D
Quote from: Emperor on 26 August, 2010, 12:46:26 AM
If you needed any clearer sign of where this is being aimed at one of the features being promoted on the cover is "Hot Mums". ::)
That proves exactly what i thought.
The name CLINT magazine or the implied name seems appropriate somehow.
With thanks to Locust who's link to an article on Downthetubes led me to a few preview pages of Clint over at its official site. Pretty much as you'd expect. Looking forward to knowing exactly what this is like one way or another soon!
http://clintmag.com/1.php (http://clintmag.com/1.php)
I think the key question now is how hot are these Mums?
Quote from: TordelBack on 27 August, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
I think the key question now is how hot are these Mums?
Considering the number of Scotsmen involved in Clint, they will most likely be
ghastly...
Quote from: TordelBack on 27 August, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
I think the key question now is how hot are these Mums?
You know they could just open the window if they are... you know ...hot...
What?
DTT's John Freeman says of Facebook:
QuoteJust got a copy of CLINT #1 - looks good, great design. Proper review on downthetubes asap.
Cheers!
Jim
They had a load of copies in Forbidden planet yesterday - does no one have a copy yet then?
flipped through it, but it didn't really compell any cash out of me....
It seems to have Huw Edwards' Future Shocks. WTF?
Quote from: BPP on 27 August, 2010, 06:28:51 PM
It seems to have Huw Edwards' Future Shocks. WTF?
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery clearly.
I'm off work tuesday so I might just head down to the signing at London Victoria Station's WhSmith.
Review by John Freeman: http://networkedblogs.com/7gGJo
Quote from: dweezil2 on 27 August, 2010, 06:45:32 PM
Quote from: BPP on 27 August, 2010, 06:28:51 PM
It seems to have Huw Edwards' Future Shocks. WTF?
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery clearly.
I'm off work tuesday so I might just head down to the signing at London Victoria Station's WhSmith.
Yeah but i mean Huw Edwards? Buh?
Between that and the grinning Jimmy Carr on the index page I think i'd upchuck if i bought it. Holding out for PJ's StripUK here.
If i found Richard Nixon lookalike Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle funny i might be more inclined to buy it but fortunately i dont.
On the subject of "Hot Mums" i do think its a trite subject matter to have in the Comicgazine but i have to admit that i can recall a few "Hot Mums" over the years going back to when i was younger.
From the sounds of it, it's like NUTS crossed with 2000AD.
So, at least half-good then.
I picked it up today.
The strips are OK, Mark Millar strips as expected, Rex Royd was fine, not what I expected at all.
Turf grabbed me the least as it feels a bit like I've already read it, a bit of a cross between Family and A Love Like Blood, but at least it's not a superhero strip.
3 superhero themed strips seems a bit OTT, and having 2 running at the same time where it's the villain as the main character is a bit much. It could feel a bit one-note with the usual sex, violence, drugs and swearing to up the 'adult' appeal for teenagers.
I didn't go much on the text content, as someone said it's a bit Nuts crossed with the Megazine. But I'm not the target audience, as mentioned in Millar's editorial. That said, it's fairly lightweight fluff, and designwise it feels a bit like the sort of freesheet that they might give out on trains or the cinema.
It's notable that the cover almost makes it seem ashamed that it is predominantly comics, I can see where they're coming from but surely someone is going to flick or through it before buying it, so I don't know if it's just an attempt to trick the newsagent into placing it somewhere else...
My impression is that they've decided that the only way to get an audience to buy comics is to heavily garnish it with celebs, adult content, and sub-Nuts text pieces.
I'd love it to do well, but I just don't know if there is the audience for it, or if they'd be polarised into wanting just something comics related, or something more laddish.
Even that market seems to be taking a bit of a hit with Loaded being sold to the publishers of Attitude... (that will be an interesting office atmosphere)
what was the 'other' solicited piece like (ie not Millar / Ross / Boyle) ?
and the 'hot mums'?
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 27 August, 2010, 06:54:07 PM
Review by John Freeman: http://networkedblogs.com/7gGJo
Another review:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/08/28/review-clint-magazine-1-by-danny-graydon/
I wonder how many reviews and comments we'll see along the lines of "I'm not the target audience but it should do fine with them"? What if the target audience aren't the type to buy a magazine with comics in and yet the actual comics readers don't feel it is for them?
So, bought it. Read it. And... it's alright.
8 pages of Kick Ass 2 is not enough, considering it's the headline piece.
Nemesis is ok, but seems very text-lite when compared with Turf (which to my mind is the best thing in it, even though I've read it before)
Rex Royd left me cold. Poorly depicted action which was at times hard to decipher, and to be honest, if it hadn't been written by Frankie Boyle I doubt it would have been printed.
The text pieces were just fluff and filler. Don't get excited by the idea of hot mums. When one of those listed is the mother from Family Guy, you know it's not meant to be serious
Overall, not bad, and I'll give it another go, but three superhero strips and a reprint I've already got, along with an average three pager futureshock/terror tale wannabe which has Huw Edwards face at the beginning, just so they can put his name on the cover, leaves it poor value in my mind (the spandex brigade never has floated my boat - I was brought up on British comics - you know, WWII action and sci-fi)
Can't find it in my local ASDA, WHY????
I don't think it's due to launch until 2 September.
Forbidden Planet had some preview copies.
Thank You!!!
Got this in FP last night and I'm still not quite sure what to make of it. Turf was easily the best thing in it, but I felt a bit old for some of the articles and I'm only 29 so apparently in their target range. Millar also needs to seriously sort out the page count of Kick Ass 2. If he keeps it at eight pages per month I'll have long lost interest by the time it finishes.
Quote from: Colin Zeal on 01 September, 2010, 03:19:14 PMMillar also needs to seriously sort out the page count of Kick Ass 2. If he keeps it at eight pages per month I'll have long lost interest by the time it finishes.
Wellll KA2 hasn't launched yet at Icon and there is already talk of delays, so it might be this means they can ensure there is some KA2 in each issue.
Is it bad? Is it good? Is it tasty with a dab of BBQ sauce?
The more I read about it, the more I recoil in horror. Technically I'm in the demographic for this but I just can't see the point in picking it up. I hated Kick-Ass, I hated Nemesis, I enjoyed Turf (but CLiNT is just reprinting issues, yes?), and I've heard plenty about Rex Royd leaving people cold.
I think I'll stick to the indie comics scene, thanks. The comic equivalent of Nuts is only bound to insult my intelligence.
*puffs on pipe*
Managed to snag a copy today, although I nearly passed it by in Smiths as it was hidden away behind Metal Hammer, of all things. In fact I probably wouldn't have spotted it at all if I hadn't recognised the Jonathan Ross strapline.
I've skimmed through and yeah, Turf does seem to be the highlight. One thing that really bugs me though is it contains no less than FOUR full page ads for Kane & Lynch 2! I don't think there's a single game I have less interest in playing, even more so now.
Saw it in my local Smiths, It was at least next to (well actually on top of) Twoth and near all the various Marvel/DC Panini/Titan reprints.
Picked up this weeks Twoth and had a flick through it and wasn't overly impressed, I'm sure it's been mentioned already but the title seems all about trying to be shocking etc (ooh looks it like a rude word at first glance) fine for the lower end of the target market (the mid teeies), but felt like it was trying too hard to get a cheap joke, which kinda summed up the whole experience. It felt like it was trying too hard.
The comics seemed to be buried amongst the various other space fillers (which didn't really seem worth bothering with- "Funny things people have shouted out whilst having sex"?) And it almost seemed as though they were trying to apologise for the fact that there were comics in it (the cover call-out "Warning: contains comics!" was again probably trying to give the impression of attitude but kinda fell flat in my eyes. Was gonna get myself a copy but didn't really inspire me to do so.
Maybe I'll get it later in the week when I've not got anything else to read...
Picked mine up today from Smiths, it was next to the Meg. Had a quick look through and will read it tonight, I must admit I'm not looking impressed at the moment but we will see!
Got a copy. Love the design work, love the fact that it exists. Sad that I'm not in the core demographic, which meant a lot of the content left me cold (also: there's a meanness to Millar's stuff that I'm not fond of). Turf looks great big, though, and looking forward to setting aside a few hours to digest that.
-pj
Stopped by WH Smith this morning to get a copy, but couldn't find it anywhere.
I bet this is a tense time for Mark Millar and i wonder if the sales will match the projected sales ??
Some of the feedback here hasnt been that good so far but i cant help but think that it was pandering to NUTS readers a bit too much for its own good to the point where it puts off other readers who arent in that kind of demographic but i guess this is because the target demographic have cash to spend and its all about cash at the end of the day.
It will be interesting to see how it all works out in the end but either this is a serious long term project or its a Mark Millar vanity project that will fold after about 3 issues.
Who knows but in my opinion it should have been a little more adult and less NUTS so that the existing comic readership like here and myself included are more tempted to buy it in the long term.Perhaps Mark Millar will read the feedback and listen to it and make any necessary changes because it would otherwise be a wasted opportunity for the UK comic scene.
only glanced at the blurb at the front on the bus and was a bit miffed at "...your dads had 2000ad" as if it is a thing of the past ...the fools! they seem to be trying to ignore 33years of history and the hugemungus impact 2000ad has had and is still doing today almost felt like it was dismissive in a "i'm here now forget the rest" way....maybe i'm wrong but we'll see... the proof they say is in the eating so i'll make a nice cup of tea and peruse it at my leisure.
WHS had it 'up with the Nuts' and Bizarre, so i had to overcome my fear of being seen "fingering shit" in order to buy. It's okay. Ive only read half of it so far, but the best thing in it is Turf. It benefits from not reading as if "written by Jonathan Ross" and all that implies. It was overwritten and overlong though.
Frankie Boyle's strip, whatever it was called, was an absolute mess. Horrible art, i have literally no idea what its about and every gag is in his autobiography. Dismal. Millar's Kick Ass 2 seemed like an afterthought and very, very, tired.
Other than that, the jimmy carr interview perversely entertained me, despite not consciously being a fan of his.
I'll read the rest later, but on this standard it'll be lucky to outlast Blast or Revolver.
SBT
I'll be quite honest guys, Strip is going to shit all over this isn't it?
Flicked through it in Tesco today. Two Millar strips vs a bit of something which I fancy reading = maybe I'll buy it next week.
Picked a copy up from Asda, been through it a couple of times the only parts grabbing my attention is the strips(haven't read any of them yet),pity it's nearly all reprint material and the Frankie Boyle strip getting pretty poor reviews from those who have read it . The rest of mag can fuck off as far as i'm concerned as there's nothing of interest to me, a lot of us complain about the features in the Megazine but at least they are either creator interviews or articles about comics.This great white hope of British comics has turned out a big damp squib, maybe Strip will prove a better bet until then 2000 AD and the Megazine will have to carry flag onwards and upwards.
filip
Oh come on, guys, it wasn't that bad.
Sure, Rex Royd was a little amateurish and Kick-ass 2 is gonna be paced so slowly it's practically non-existent, but it wasn't all bad.
Turf was genuinely good, and we got 28 pages of story. Buying that and Nemesis in American singles costs more than the entire issue. The articles were barely there, and I enjoyed the piece about Dubbing actors.
As long as they maintain the amount of comic and rotate strips in and out every few months, it's worth a monthly buy in my view. Millar's huge search for new talent calms me a little, quality should improve as the new stuff begins to filter through.
I think it'll take a while for this to hit its stride, but it'll probably stay afloat on Millar's Kick-Ass royalties until it can stand on its own two feet instead of invariably crashing into nothing after a few issues.
Spent a good 10 mins scouring the racks in WH Smiths on the way home - still no sign of it.
Just picked up a copy in Tesco and I've only had a chance to read Kick-Ass 2 so far. I'm new to all these strips so I'm quite looking forward to this, the balance between strips and articles seems nicely skewed to the comics.
Despite what some comments here seem to be assuming, I'd be fairly stunned if Mark was actually funding any of CLiNT's publishing costs. I'd assume Titan are bankrolling the project, and what Mark's bringing to it are his name, use of his IPs (Kick Ass and Nemesis), his marketing and publicity savvy and his celebrity pals contacts.
Read it. Not great, and given the track record of comics in general in UK stores, I don't think it'll do too well, though I'll be happy enough to be proved wrong.
The 8 pages of Kick Ass 2 are going to hurt it more than help, I think. I'm not sure what the strip's presence achieves - is it supposed to be pulling in the curious who liked the film but are unsure of comics on account of them having words in them? If so, 8 pages will put them off as too short a snippet. A different strip might have been a better idea.
Johnathan Ross' story is decent enough, but Lifeforce remains the definitive space vampire romp and Ross probably boxes clever by making this a period piece instead of a mad runaround thing. Looks gorgeous in places, too, and it's a shame so much of the art was covered by lots and lots and lots of text - throw in a random disemboweling and it's practically a Robert Kirkman book.
Nemesis is pretty desperate in places but probably just the right story for the magazine even if it comes off as a bit too needy. Axe Cop has done this whole bit better.
Honestly don't see the problem with Rex Royd. I've seen much, much worse in the prog and in US books, but some of it was amusing in and of itself rather than meritorious relative to failure elsewhere - though for some reason I kept thinking "Thunderbolts. Frankie Boyle should do Thunderbolts just like this." Not sure why - probably just because that book has sucked for a while now.
As for the lads' mag filler... (strokes chin and goes "hmm" in knowing Guardian-reader fashion).
Shortly before Nuts hit the stands, I remember reading how marketing analysts had identified a huge and untapped young male readership for grooming and lifestyle magazines. Basically, they'd discovered that a great many males were either inheriting (from female family members/girlfriends) or buying magazines aimed at women and reading them for the hairstyling, health and fashion sections because they were straightforward and devoid of the snarky sanctimony of lads' mags of the time like FHM and Loaded. Male readership was not the narrow band of lunking, barely literate beer-swilling neanderthals they'd been percieved, and the market was just waiting to be exploited with a magazine that treated them as human beings curious about bettering themselves in small ways. Someone took this research and made Nuts.
Which is not to say they were wrong, as the magazine sells well on it's assumption that what the men who read girlie mags about health and grooming were doing all along was masturbating to the pictures of women's breasts rather than reading the attendant text articles about thoroughly checking for lumps, and while there's an intelligent, accessible magazine centering on comics waiting to arrive on shelves and treat its readership as humans rather than a faceless stereotypical consuming mass of Hollyoaks viewers, Clint is not that mag. Where Nuts is porn for those too ashamed to buy porn, Clint is comics for thos ashamed to buy comics, complete with a warning sticker on the front that tells you such.
Having said all that, it could go either way - win or fail, I just don't know, but for me, the whole package just feels ephemeral and disjointed with no clear identity beyond appealing to as low and as broad a consumer base as possible. It might result in an inferior product, but that's not necessarily a barrier to success.
But it remains worth a punt. Any issues so far might be little more than teething trouble with the brand identity, and 4 quid for so much content (if you haven't read any of it before) is pretty good.
I liked it and actually thought it was better than the Megazine.
The main problem i can see is keeping the accessibility levels high - I expect Turf in particular is going to need some pretty heavy recapping for readers jumping aboard on issues 3 or 4.
I also think it would have been nice to offer the traditional 'Free Gift With Issue 1!'
a space spinner would have been nice
had a good look this morning: whsmith Waterloo, had the public toilets been out of loo-roll, it wouldn't have been a problem
Should have gone with "Flick"
'Cos that's what I did through it, then put it back on the shelf.
Not my cup of tea, but i expect I'm ot the target audience.
Oh Blast you shone so brightly for so short a time. Sniff.
€6.09 (=1.5 pints next Tuesday, or more realistically enough petrol to get me home tonight) in my newsagent, meaning it won't be happening, which is a shame, because flicking through it some of the art really caught my eye. Unlike the cover, which I hate with a passion - I'd be surprised that anyone who hadn't been exposed to the online discussions would even bother opening this up.
Clint seems more a vessl of disparate marketing demographics than a new way or ethos of producing entertaining comics. There's no central idea holding it all together which will probably destroy it's chances of long term readership. The cover alone to me shows they've got it arse-backwards. What is it exactly, a lads mag with comics, a comic with laddish articles or maybe a vehicle for Kick Ass 2? Much ado about nothing so far.
An interesting expansion on the thinking behind CLiNT (http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=94778&view=findpost&p=2209004) from Millar:
Quoteon kiddie friendly: Lovely idea in theory, but how do you get kids to pick up a mag with all new characters? The only way to do is licensed characters, which is already being done from Bob the Builder to Dr Who. But supermarkets simply won't take a new mag in a wide way unless it has household names of some kind and Frankie, Jonathan, Kick-Ass 2 skew older. I'm in this to win it, not fail and so using every trick at making this work where everything since 2000 has died. If this works I'll go wider again with a range of books. I have a good idea for a girls comic that aims a little younger and another couple of things. My dream plan is to completely revamp the UK scene in the long run and make sure it has as many jobs and as many readers as it had a generation ago.
Whatever you may think of Millar, and of CLiNT (of which I still haven't seen a copy -- it's definitely not in
my local ASDA), that's an ambition to which I'll happily raise a glass.
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 September, 2010, 04:28:20 PM
An interesting expansion on the thinking behind CLiNT (http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=94778&view=findpost&p=2209004) from Millar:
Quoteon kiddie friendly: Lovely idea in theory, but how do you get kids to pick up a mag with all new characters? The only way to do is licensed characters, which is already being done from Bob the Builder to Dr Who. But supermarkets simply won't take a new mag in a wide way unless it has household names of some kind and Frankie, Jonathan, Kick-Ass 2 skew older. I'm in this to win it, not fail and so using every trick at making this work where everything since 2000 has died. If this works I'll go wider again with a range of books. I have a good idea for a girls comic that aims a little younger and another couple of things. My dream plan is to completely revamp the UK scene in the long run and make sure it has as many jobs and as many readers as it had a generation ago.
Whatever you may think of Millar, and of CLiNT (of which I still haven't seen a copy -- it's definitely not in my local ASDA), that's an ambition to which I'll happily raise a glass.
Indeed.
Got mine in my local newsagent yesterday- was a bit surprised at that.
Hell- I enjoyed it. Didn't read most of the text stuff other than a cursory scan over. I haven't read any of the content before so it was all new to me. I enjoyed it. Kick Ass 2 was, well it was Kick Ass and I liked it.
Turf was great, I was rather surprised at how good it was. The artwork is nice and a good fit for the story. I thought it lent the story a kind of gravitas that I didn't anticipate, knowing that it was 'about mobsters, vampires & aliens' and that it was written by Jonathan Ross. And it was a good solid chunk of story to digest. There was a sequence on p15 that I particularly liked- a nice little snippet of writing pulling elements of the story together.
Nemesis is about spandex capers- point against. But it seems quite nasty brutal and interesting. The only 'superhero' stuff I have any real love for is 'Zenith','Kev' and 'The Boys', but I'm still interested.
I don't see what's so bad about Frankie's strip either- I'm with Prof, I've read a lot worse and I don't go a lot beyond 2000ad. For me the writing is meant to be slightly quirky- I wouldn't have expected anything else tbh, but it's the somewhat poor artwork in the early part of the episode that put me off a bit. Things weren't too clear and there's a page where I'm not entirely sure what went on overall, but it may settle into a rhythm- it's the first episode of a new story by a new writer so I think it's too early to call really. I'm still looking to read some more.
Haven't read the short piece yet, but I will.
I'm in for number 2, but there had better be either some cyber-tattoo transfers or else boobage- one or the other. Succeed or fail, if it goes any way towards building a better comics culture here then it would be churlish to pour scorn upon it.
Though I am a churl.
I've only read Kick-Ass 2 so far, and it was great.
On the way to the rather brilliant Robert Plant And The Band Of Joy gig at The HMV Forum, Kentish Town London I picked up a copy of Clint and met messrs Ross and Millar who were signing at The Victoria Station branch of WhSmith's.
I found both gentlemen very personable-I wished Jonathan Ross good luck with his new career. Millar commented on my Strontium Dog T and I said I'd liked some of his work on Dredd, particularly that 'purgatory/Inferno' storyline he'd had a hand in(don't shoot me, I meant it) or though his recollection of his stint on Dredd was that it was a bit embarrasing.
Not read Clint yet-got to finish reading Prog 1700 before I give it a go.
The two were generous enough to pose with the punters who had queued:
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/mubhceeb/STP61843.jpg)
Hey - I was there too. I think I was just behind you in the queue. I remember seeing your Strontium Dog t-shirt. I didn't have much to say to Ross & Millar. When I got to them they seemed more interesting in talking to each other than to talk to me. Haha. Managed to get a photo of them too. Pretty good meet! Not too busy either
Got it. Not bad. The "your dad had 2000ad" line at the start annoyed me a bit - I AM the dad and I STILL have 2000ad and it beats the crap out of Clint!!! - but I got over it. Strips were good enough but KickAss needs at least 3 more pages per episode.
Really liked the overdress porn gag, that made me chuckle! Hope its a regular feature!
Where did you pick it up Van? Ive tried my local newsies, and Easons, no joy.
David
Got it in Easons in Heuston Station, made a nice little read on the train home.
It was up on the top shelf beside Viz, between the titty mags and the gay mags. That's one shelf I never go to....grrrr... I felt dirty having to reach my hand up there...
Just started reading my copy.
On the whole, I thought it was good. I'll buy another copy.
However the "Deeply Questionable" section was poor. I quote: - "Would you rather kill a baby and no one would ever know, or a pensioner and everybody would know?"
What a load of shit. I've tried to look at this from a number of angles and it fails on all counts. Just produce a good product and cut the 'trying to be shocking crap". It tarnished the quality of the rest of the magazine for me.
If that's in the next issue, I'm out
Quote from: Minty on 04 September, 2010, 01:07:33 AM
'trying to be shocking crap"
Millar built a career on that. So did Garth Ennis, but he just did it better.
Rex Royd has the most potential - completely offbeat premise, fractured narrative to mirror the memory loss storyline, weird modern Doc Savage born via arse sex premise and enough decency not to patronise the shit out of me. It'll alienate EVERY Frankie Boyle fan who bought it for the sake of Frankie Boyle, but I'm interested to see where it goes.
The 2000ad reference seemed more respectful to me - it's a fact, the 2000ad readership is aging, for every accessible strip like Zombo there's something like Dante which requires 13 years of reading to appreciate and something like Dredd which has essentially been one massive saga since Mechanisimo redefined it as a political strip (arguably longer - modern Dredd probably starts with "America" as a narrative foundation, which was 20 years ago).
Just sat down and devoured it cover to cover.
Kick-Ass 2: This was short, so maybes it's too early to pass judgment, but I know it took me less pages than this for me to fall in love with the first volume. Cindy getting a new family made for a nice resolution the first time round, but I can leave it as an ongoing plotline if it replaces Dave's banter with his mates and comic book references. I prefered the earlier issues when it was Kick-Ass doing it solo anyway. There was a laugh to be had or a nice character moment for every bit on intense violence, so truthfully; I was never looking forward to a sequel. But aslong as JRJR's on board I am too... did think the coloring was a bit murky this time round though ;)
Turf: This and Millars goal to bring in some new talent were what made me buy this, and it didn't dissapoint. Tommy Lee Ewards art always rocks, and I liked Wossy's dense plot, it had depth, but wasn't too hard to follow and had a sense of fun. A tad expository in places. You can tell there was meant to be a degree of Golden Age Marvel goodness in there, and in small doses I liked it, but the no-nonsense introduction of the Aliens raised an eyebrow. With all the Vampire crap out right now, I was worried they would be lame, but so far they're pretty badass.
Rex Royd: Got a laugh out of me, liked the look of the art but didn't think it read that well. Liked the twist, but the double tiwst not so much. if things tighten up as they go, defintley has potential.
Nemisis: Nothing special first time round, same again here.
Space Oddities: If Millar is really aiming to reignite the UK comic scene with not just new magazines, but new talent there should be a lot more of these. This was a fun little story I thought.
The Articles: Most of it was dumb, some of it was funny. I think I'd prefer if it was more comic orrientated.
Verdict: I liked it, I'm gunna buy it again. But it baffled me a bit. Why no mention of Millar goal to encourage new talent! The only people that really know they can submit stories to the mag are people who are probably already big into their comics, and there's nothing to encourage people to try any comcis outside of CLiNT. Surely there should be some articales to do with that side of things.
I liked it. The strips are good, Nemesis being my favourite (I have read this episode of Turf before). The articles....are lads mag articles. I can take them or leave them.
I've had a look in Edinbra deedheed, FP, Tesco's etc still no sign...
Is the Turf episode the first issue of the comic?
Quote from: Minty on 04 September, 2010, 01:07:33 AM
Just started reading my copy.
However the "Deeply Questionable" section was poor. I quote: - "Would you rather kill a baby and no one would ever know, or a pensioner and everybody would know?"
What a load of shit. I've tried to look at this from a number of angles and it fails on all counts. Just produce a good product and cut the 'trying to be shocking crap". It tarnished the quality of the rest of the magazine for me.
If that's in the next issue, I'm out
At least it was appropriately titled.
I quite enjoyed most of this. Artwork was good throughout and the stories were nicely sculpted (even Frankie Boyle's). The articles were sub-Zoo guff, but thankfully they didn't overcrowd the strips.
My one real gripe is that for an ostensibly British comic, it isn't very British. None of the strips featured British characters or British settings. The only real clue that it comes from this side of the Atlantic is the articles.
Of course, the content of a story is more important than its geographical setting. It does seem, however, that it more readily embraces the values of American comics whilst eschewing some of the things that make British comics so distinct, things like a social conscience or a good satirical eye.
Finally managed to get a copy (in my local Tesco of all places) and while I haven't read any of the strip content yet it all looks like good fun. Kick-Ass, Nemesis and Turf are a perfect line-up for me - things I'm mildly interested in reading but not interested enough to buy the trades of, and the other strip content looks interesting, too. I'm not a huge fan of Millar, but his stuff is usually solid and enjoyable in a disposable sort of way - like fast food comics.
Say what you want, but the likes of Jimmy Carr, Jonathon Ross, Frankie Boyle and Charlie Brooker getting involved in this sort of project has to be a good thing. I've also recently developed a bit of a sneaking admiration for Mark Millar himself.
The text pieces I'm less keen on - they're very clearly aimed at teenagers - but magazines always take a while to find their feet and can change quite a bit over time - for example I remember when Heat magazine started it was primarily a TV guide with articles on movies and games and things.
Picked up my copy at WHSmith the other day - placed directly above the lads mags in one of those temporary 'New Titles' slots, so not sure if it'll have a permanent place amongst the likes of Zoo, Nuts, FHM, etc. It was certainly as far away from the comics as possible.
Only read Kick Ass so far, which seemed alright to me (having not read the first series or seen the film). On initially flicking through I was pleased to find that there is more comics in it than I was expecting to get, and I can live with the filler articles for now.
My first impression was that it seems a bit confused with itself and who it's aimed at. And Mark Millar's editorial was about as interesting and focused as the intro to a crossword mag.
Still, I'm quite looking forward to reading the rest of the mag, and I'll certainly stick with it for a few issues. It may just need a bit of time to settle down.
Quote from: chris_askham on 04 September, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Picked up my copy at WHSmith the other day - placed directly above the lads mags in one of those temporary 'New Titles' slots, so not sure if it'll have a permanent place amongst the likes of Zoo, Nuts, FHM, etc. It was certainly as far away from the comics as possible.
If you're looking to sell the thing to non-comic readers, why on earth would you want it racked up with the comics? That FHM/GQ/Lad Mag shelf is a bit of prime retail position -- that's
absolutely where you want it...
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 September, 2010, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: chris_askham on 04 September, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Picked up my copy at WHSmith the other day - placed directly above the lads mags in one of those temporary 'New Titles' slots, so not sure if it'll have a permanent place amongst the likes of Zoo, Nuts, FHM, etc. It was certainly as far away from the comics as possible.
If you're looking to sell the thing to non-comic readers, why on earth would you want it racked up with the comics? That FHM/GQ/Lad Mag shelf is a bit of prime retail position -- that's absolutely where you want it...
Cheers!
Jim
Maybe it would sell better to the Lads Mag readers if it had a pair of tits on the cover, though. Rather than just the one.
I think I've been overly ciritcal of CLiNT, it was an enjoyable read. But for a magazine that's aiming to revitalize the british comic industry it seemed to shy away from the fact it even included comics. I think once Mark Millar stops blowing hot air, and the editing team of the mag find their stride it could become a very good magazine.
Even if they keep some of the dumbass articales, alongisde this they should make a real push towards getting people into comics, and getting amatuer work into the mag. It's already confused as to what it is so for the time being why can't we have the best of both worlds.
Its in the co-ops too. I was looking for a can of coke today and thought, if it was on the shelf I'd get it. It was. Between ZOO and "the one that's not NUTS" . In my town, its an affirmation of manhood to be peeking through these so, I think it might do well. I'd say it will test those who would prefer publicly denouncing comics as something they grew out of, and supplement a meagre student market.
It has a nice weight to it and fits comfy in the back pocket. Scoffed down Kick Ass with some sticky toffee pudding but as it was partly supererogatory of buying I remain satisfied. Onto TURF, and I like John's opening intro page and the splash that follows. The aide to the dark ones can only be Ross's presence within the script.
So far so what? Its new and a fresh resource aimed at my age range.
Anybody see it reviewed on BBC2 last night? The women are a bit miffed its not giving them a look in. I say put it between Heat and FHM, then.
Turf was good, the rest left me cold I'm afraid. The artwork is all a bit American for me and the majority of the text articles too purile. Brave attempt but I don't feel particularly enthused. Certainly comparing it to this weeks Toof it can't hold a candle.
Quote from: Krombasher on 04 September, 2010, 03:15:59 PM
Anybody see it reviewed on BBC2 last night? The women are a bit miffed its not giving them a look in. I say put it between Heat and FHM, then.
Thanks Krombasher. Just checked it out on iPlayer. Jonah Hex and Tamara Drewe also discussed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tnqh5/The_Review_Show_03_09_2010/
I think we can say the reaction has been mixed, here and in the general British comics readership, but the nice thing is that it has made people appreciate 2000AD/Megazine more (even on general comics forums) and has got people more excited about Strip (which might do the "Eagle/Action for the new millennium" properly). It almost brings a tear to one's eye.
Just read my comment back.
It might have come across more negative than I intended. Just wanted to add that I thought it was very good apart from a couple of small things which annoyed me.
Steven
well thats four quid i wont see again...didnt find anything i liked in that lot :(
looking forward to kick ass 2 but left me feeling i'd walked into family guy mindy (stewie)has an arsenal in her bedroom ffs!
tried to read turf but all i could hear in my head was ross' voice !!!
stick to the masters i think until strip comes out (when?) and i'll give that a go.
Christ, I've never heard such a gaggle of fussing, clucking old maids in my life. Surely the fact that there's a new British comic on our newsagents shelves is reason to celebrate. I just bought it and skimmed through it and yes, some of the articles are pointless fluff but the comics seem good. Mark Millars stuff has never really done it for me but you've got to applaud the man for trying a new strategy for getting comics back into the public eye. I'm getting really annoyed at all the people on here saying "I didn't think this or that article was funny so I'm not buying it again." We're supposed to be the comic fans for fuck's sake. I for one am VERY excited to see a title like this on the shelf of my local shop and I'll be supporting it as long as it continues. It's only the first issue, new things will be tried, the stuff that doesn't work will be purged and new stories by people other than celebrities will start to appear. That is, if elitist comic snobs don't cut off their nose to spite their face by rushing it into an early grave.
Quote from: spaceghost on 04 September, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Christ, I've never heard such a gaggle of fussing, clucking old maids in my life. I for one am VERY excited to see a title like this on the shelf of my local shop and I'll be supporting it as long as it continues. It's only the first issue, new things will be tried, the stuff that doesn't work will be purged and new stories by people other than celebrities will start to appear. That is, if elitist comic snobs don't cut off their nose to spite their face by rushing it into an early grave.
gaggle? fussing? old maids? how long you been on this forum? ;)
first immpressions count pal,and with some it didnt impress,i am not going to spend £4 every month on the off chance ,i'll probably flick through it in the shop and whi knows may buy it again in the future if it picks up but for now...no.
Quote from: mogzilla on 04 September, 2010, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: spaceghost on 04 September, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Christ, I've never heard such a gaggle of fussing, clucking old maids in my life. I for one am VERY excited to see a title like this on the shelf of my local shop and I'll be supporting it as long as it continues. It's only the first issue, new things will be tried, the stuff that doesn't work will be purged and new stories by people other than celebrities will start to appear. That is, if elitist comic snobs don't cut off their nose to spite their face by rushing it into an early grave.
gaggle? fussing? old maids? how long you been on this forum? ;)
first immpressions count pal,and with some it didnt impress,i am not going to spend £4 every month on the off chance ,i'll probably flick through it in the shop and whi knows may buy it again in the future if it picks up but for now...no.
4 quid's not that expensive. In my view, as a fan of comics as an artform, supporting new titles such as CLiNT will create a more fertile market for new comics. I'm not suggesting buying any old shit in the name of being supportive of British comics but was CLiNT really that bad? I don't think so personally but if you REALLY do then don't buy it. There just seems to be a lot of petty whinging and nit picking when there should be a bit of cheering.
The problem is that many people don't buy the Meg on the forum, as they just haven't got the spare cash to do so! This in turn means that if this (even thought it's cheaper) is not up to scratch then they won't buy it as well.
I read it and mildly enjoyed the stories up to a point, there seemed to be nothing new that had me hooked. Kick Ass was boring and too short to keep me interested, The Ross strip was, lets see Vampires, Aliens and gangsters, it must work but it wasn't quite there for me, although it did have enough pages to pull you into the actual world he has created. Nemesis, dear God what a joke, absolute dross. I can't think of anything good about it, even with all the deaths, crashes, etc... It seems to be one of those boring indestructible bods which always becomes boring. The back story may be interesting but I won't wait to read that!
I can't remember the rest of the mag and that says something!
The cover looked like a sad version of 'Look In' and just does not grab you. In fact it doesn't know what to be, why not have a comic cover, seeing as that is what it is primarily. I only found it as it was next to the Meg but I think it will be lost on the shelves especially as everyone seems to have found it in different areas.
I won't buy it again but I may become one of the people who reads stuff in Smiths, as the stories are so shallow it would only take a few minutes.
Just remembered, I did like the 'future shock/strange tale at the end, in fact that was the best thing in the mag!
I have handed my copy of Clint to the target marrket - my 15year old brother who has never read a comic (exept possibly when he was very young...)
Virdict when I can stop him thinking about girls long enough to get sense out of him...
Quote from: spaceghost on 04 September, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Christ, I've never heard such a gaggle of fussing, clucking old maids in my life.
You just described every forum on the internet ever.
Quote from: Christov on 04 September, 2010, 08:56:13 PM
Quote from: spaceghost on 04 September, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Christ, I've never heard such a gaggle of fussing, clucking old maids in my life.
You just described every forum on the internet ever.
True say.
PS. I'm still working on your script boss. Don't put the bore worms on me...
hip hip hoorah!
no,still not liking it.
i gave the strips a chance they didnt do owt for me the rest was to me banal childish dross (jimmy carr was in it after all) i dont like dante and other strips in the prog and meg but it doesnt mean i dont buy it ...clint needs to decide if its a serious comic anthology or "viz"
Quote4 quid's not that expensive.
Yup. A pint is £3.50 in our local.
Clint took me most of the morning to read- unlike the Galaxy's Greatest which is a fifteen minute read...
PLEASE note- I am not saying it's better than 2k- it patiently isn't, but it's a helluva value for money with regards to strip page per pound.
Oh, and now I've finished reading it...
Turf was good if a bit wordy. I've had to first issue of the original sitting here for months and never got round to reading it, but its' good fun. Ross throws everything at the wall and somehow makes it all stil.
Frankie Boyle's strip could have done with an editor asking him, 'Frankie, what's going on here?' a few times.
And despite my comments on the BBC website when they asked me to comment on it, I had not read Nemesis before. I liked this too. As I said before about Millar's Civil War, if I wrote superhero comics, this is what they would be like.
Quote from: spaceghost on 04 September, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Christ, I've never heard such a gaggle of fussing, clucking old maids in my life. Surely the fact that there's a new British comic on our newsagents shelves is reason to celebrate. I just bought it and skimmed through it and yes, some of the articles are pointless fluff but the comics seem good. Mark Millars stuff has never really done it for me but you've got to applaud the man for trying a new strategy for getting comics back into the public eye. I'm getting really annoyed at all the people on here saying "I didn't think this or that article was funny so I'm not buying it again." We're supposed to be the comic fans for fuck's sake. I for one am VERY excited to see a title like this on the shelf of my local shop and I'll be supporting it as long as it continues. It's only the first issue, new things will be tried, the stuff that doesn't work will be purged and new stories by people other than celebrities will start to appear. That is, if elitist comic snobs don't cut off their nose to spite their face by rushing it into an early grave.
I think you are right in a way even though it doesnt matter because i have been critical of it and i did feel a bit guilty for doing that as well even though it doesnt matter but its really difficult to offset that against saying what you think because like JC was saying he is having a go and trying to do something and in this economic climate its quite a brave thing to do in a way which deserves praise but on the other hand its difficult to lap something up and not criticise it as that isnt reasonable.
So i dont know but it doesnt matter.
Just keep the criticism constructive i guess.
Quote from: mogzilla on 04 September, 2010, 09:13:15 PM
clint needs to decide if its a serious comic anthology or "viz"
Don't dis Viz man. ;) You're entitled to your opinion of course. I just think all this negativity is a bit of a shame. If my hobby was putting very small things on top of of other slightly bigger things and a new magazine came out called "Putting Things on Top of Other Things!" I'd buy it even if I only liked half of it.
What I mean is, comics are a very marginal niche and if a new comic publication appears in the shops, I'll be buying it. Any exposure is good exposure. A load of high profile celebrities who are already successful in other fields are obviously doing this, mainly, for the love of the craft (or is that me being naive and romantic) and I think it's heroic and admirable.
Well, we'll see how it develops over the next few months. It'll either sink or swim.
Quote from: pauljholden on 04 September, 2010, 08:53:53 PM
I have handed my copy of Clint to the target marrket - my 15year old brother who has never read a comic (exept possibly when he was very young...)
Virdict when I can stop him thinking about girls long enough to get sense out of him...
Soooooooo might be a while yet...
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 04 September, 2010, 09:17:53 PM
And despite my comments on the BBC website when they asked me to comment on it, I had not read Nemesis before.
You should go on one of those "I love" shows ;)
Not for me alas, but then I don't think it was aimed at me.
Kick Ass II seemed ok but not enough there to really get into it. Nemesis I thought was terrible fluff. seemed to be trying to be dynamic, shocking and different and just came across an over excited teenagers idea of a different challenging comic. Its the Kaiser Chiefs in comic form.
Turf was pretty good but the premise didn't grab me quite as much as I'd hoped. Will give this one another go though and might buy the trade when it comes out if it gets me a bit more on second reading.
Rex Royd really didn't work for me. Shame as I really like Frankie Boyle's stand up and can kinda see elements of what he does there. Just doesn't translate, see Nemesis really.
Enjoyed the one off a lot though alas this was the only thing I'd read before.
The text pieces were the same bloody horrible crap that appeared in Loaded 15 years ago.
Knowing I can get the bits I like elsewhere also means the comic would need to be pretty consistent throughout for me to return regularly and frankly its not. Its 'attitude' just puts me off.
All that said its not for me but if I was its target audience I could see it working. I can imagine any number of the kids in the College I work in really enjoying it. At £4 there a heck of a lot of content and I really think if its marketed right (which I can only assume given the people involved it will have been) it'll find and keep an audience which has to be a good thing.
Quote from: Jambino on 03 September, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
Hey - I was there too. I think I was just behind you in the queue. I remember seeing your Strontium Dog t-shirt. I didn't have much to say to Ross & Millar. When I got to them they seemed more interesting in talking to each other than to talk to me. Haha. Managed to get a photo of them too. Pretty good meet! Not too busy either
Nice to know there was another 2000ad/Forum member in the queue! What did you think of the mag?
CLiNT makes Viz look like a journal for highbrow intellectuals.
Quote from: spaceghost on 04 September, 2010, 09:11:24 PMPS. I'm still working on your script boss. Don't put the bore worms on me...
No worries, work at your own pace; for I am a man of great patience.
*sharpens gouging knife*
Mostly.
As if anyone buys Nuts for the articles.
Tits plus comics would probably sell.
I mean we all buy playboy for the strip-gags, right?
Does Playboy have a decent circulation these days? I would have thought the only people reading it would be those who claim to only get it for the articles and are actually telling the truth.
i have no idea. It was only a gag.
After all Neil Gaiman couldn't save The Face.
QuoteYou should go on one of those "I love" shows
If they pay me for it, then yes.
okay...
i found it today in a Motorway service station, which was an anwesome surprise as I didn't know it was out yet!
The cover is pretty shoddy, partly because Frankie Boyle looks like an utter clint in that beard. Shave it! If you flick betweebn front and back cover he looks like the smelly bloke out of "Kane & Lynch"...
Kick Ass 2 was a welcome viewing, and I completely understand why they would want to stretch it out. The downside is that it hasn't gone anywhere and will have unnatural breaks in it.
Turf was new to me, but I have wanted to read it. Pretty good, although definitely over worded at times. I want to know what happens next, and that means it works for me!
Rex Royd was... well, pretty rough to be honest. I don't know what's happening and the art is not very good. I hope it gets better.
Nemesis is another I wanted to read, and I loved it. McNiven is a good artist, and it looks like being a nice, visceral thriller without too much in the way of intellectualism.
The short story at the end was good, although i don't get the use of Huw Edwards.
The articles were almost all horrendous, stuff many people on here could bang out after ten minutes on Wikipedia. A waste of Steve O'Brien, if you ask me. the Jimmy Carr interview was interesting, but that's it. I want text articles that speak to me as a comics fan, and as the vast majority of the mag is strips that can't be too much to ask. MILFS? Embarrassing interview questions? Embarrassing "dopehead" article? Redundant Manson piece? All present, correct and SHIT.
overall 8/10 for a great effort and three strips I want to carry on with. Good to have full issues of Turf and Nemesis, and I will be very disappointed if they start cutting them like Kick Ass. Sort out the articles and this could be a real winner.
Quote from: BPP on 04 September, 2010, 11:05:40 PM
i have no idea. It was only a gag.
After all Neil Gaiman couldn't save The Face.
Didn't he used to freelance for Mayfair or similar?
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 06 September, 2010, 07:44:43 AM
Quote from: BPP on 04 September, 2010, 11:05:40 PM
i have no idea. It was only a gag.
After all Neil Gaiman couldn't save The Face.
Didn't Gaiman used to freelance for Mayfair or similar?
Stevie's ordered CLiNT through Diamond, despite not being a big fan of Millar's writing. He'll give it 6 issues & then will decide if he'll keep it on his list.
I suppose my negative reaction stems a little from the price, which I appreciate is not outrageous (even allowing for the volume of reprint) - I struggle to find the money for the Meg each month, and both it and the Prog, and the exchange rate, have seen that amount rise even as my income freefalls. Clint would have had to be something a lot more special to part me from €6, and that title and that cover both sap my will to try.
Found it, bought it, read it. Not for me. Which is no surprise.
I wish Mark well with it -- when I researched a proposal for a very similar product ten years ago, I came to the conclusion that I would probably end up publishing a magazine whose target audience I was not actually a part of, and so it is here. I don't know the current target market well enough to judge whether Millar has pitched it right. I really, really hope he has.
More comics on the shelves can only be a good thing, the resurgent UK industry of Millar's ultimate goal (described upthread) is one that I support unreservedly, and one that can only be achieved by expanding the reader base. You may not like how he's trying to it, but at least he's trying.
Cheers!
Jim
Read Kick-Ass and Nemesis so far and while they didn't blow my mind, I found them more than enjoyable enough to make me a regular reader.
Bought it and read all the comics which is much more than I could say about the last years worth of Meg. I mostly enjoyed the comics with Turf being the highlight, did Ross get paid per word?
Articles reek of pish, the absolute definition of filler. A sweary wordsearch? Just leave it blank so I can doodle a picture of a cock if that's what you think of the reader. Actually that's probably half a page in next issue.
Saying that I'll be buying this again and if it was this versus Meg then on one issues evidence this would win.
am just going to buy issue 2 so that they 'gain' a reader and the drop off figures don't look so horrific :lol:
So anyone wants to chuck me issue one feel free. It has got a free space spinner - right?
Quote from: The Satanist on 06 September, 2010, 09:55:51 AM
Bought it and read all the comics which is much more than I could say about the last years worth of Meg. I mostly enjoyed the comics with Turf being the highlight, did Ross get paid per word?
Articles reek of pish, the absolute definition of filler. A sweary wordsearch? Just leave it blank so I can doodle a picture of a cock if that's what you think of the reader. Actually that's probably half a page in next issue.
Saying that I'll be buying this again and if it was this versus Meg then on one issues evidence this would win.
That's a bit harsh. Have you picked up the last two Megs? They were all kinds of wonderful!
Well it made me angry.
I knew it wasn't going to be aimed at girls/women but then there aren't that many comics that are. However, comics like 2000AD don't make me feel degraded after reading it. I always assumed that teenage boys might be obsessed by tits and football but still have a brain. However, I might assume they don't from this. Kick Ass 2 seemed to have some heart and I liked the artwork. Turf I love anyway and I will continue buying that from Image because it is equal parts old-fashioned, lush and fun with excellent character development. I thought the artwork was excellent in each comic. Everything else was just nasty or underdeveloped like a 99p pizza (a shame in the Huw Edwards one because I think that does have promise - just a flat, rushed ending spoiled it). The general graphic design seemed a bit boring - copying the Zoo/Nuts style is fine but does it stand out from them enough for people to see it?
I applaud Millar's intentions to bring comics back into the mainstream in the UK but if that involves playing to the lowest common denominator then I feel it's not worth it. I'm tired of women getting a verbal and visual kicking and I'm tired of characters with very little to them except malice.
I meant it when I said they could lose nothing by shelving it between HEAT and FHM. Spread the appeal and hit 3 birds with one mag. It's got TV interest in there already, why not expand its audience a bit more, rather than the acquired taste, humour extremist? Titillation cross pollinated with more postulation would do a lot to clear its greasy, acne smeared contempt. If it spreads the interest to the opposite sex, it could become a real couples mag, bog reading, must have. TURF already has a strong feminine appeal to it. Not only Staticgirl but leading female, feminist critics.
It's a pity features are a real handful to get right in any comic saturated info-mag.
Quote from: Krombasher on 06 September, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
Not only Staticgirl but leading female, feminist critics real women.
Brave of you, boy.
:lol:
Quote from: Krombasher on 06 September, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
I meant it when I said they could lose nothing by shelving it between HEAT and FHM. Spread the appeal and hit 3 birds with one mag. It's got TV interest in there already, why not expand its audience a bit more, rather than the acquired taste, humour extremist?
Though sometimes you end up hitting nothing when you spread your taget too wide as the product can seem less than satisfying for the individual buyers. If someone wants a lads mag, they will buy Heat or FHM anyway cos they're better at it, the same goes for a comic. I think the potpourri format rarely works.
Quote from: Krombasher on 06 September, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
If it spreads the interest to the opposite sex, it could become a real couples mag, bog reading, must have.
If they wanted to spread interest to the opposite sex, they should have mentioned it at their first branding meeting. I'm guessing Germaine Greer wasn't on the Board of Directors advising them to adopt such a bold post-feminist brand????
I'm quite happy to acknowledge the fact that it's not for girls. Some of us will read it (once) because we're interested in comics. 99% of no-tails will walk straight past it, just like we walked past Zoo, Nuts and Loaded.
(Background information: I have enjoyed reading both Heat and FHM over the years but don't think this is good enough to sit between them. That said, I recognise CLiNT's core market and, whatever I may think of their world-view, I wish them luck in selling to it.)
Quote from: dweezil2 on 04 September, 2010, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Jambino on 03 September, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
Hey - I was there too. I think I was just behind you in the queue. I remember seeing your Strontium Dog t-shirt. I didn't have much to say to Ross & Millar. When I got to them they seemed more interesting in talking to each other than to talk to me. Haha. Managed to get a photo of them too. Pretty good meet! Not too busy either
Nice to know there was another 2000ad/Forum member in the queue! What did you think of the mag?
I hadn't read
Nemesis or
Turf beforehand, so I was getting more bang for my buck than those on here who had. I liked Nemesis & I had intended to pick up the graphic novel when it comes out, so I might as well stick with Clint instead.
I agree with those who said it could do with some more comic related articles as i didn't like the mix of lad's mag humour against comics. It was a bit jarring in places, especially as the strips weren't that humourous. I didn't like Frankie Boyle's story and it doesn't surprise me that this one wasn't published previously. I hope the next installment makes this one make more sense.
I will continue to buy it until Nemesis finishes and see how I feel then, but I'd give it a 7/10 as it hasn't lived up to the promise I was expecting.
What did you think?
No offence...but it sounds absolute gash..
But then I can't stand 'Wossey' :lol:
Even though the Huw Edwards tale was pretty throwaway, it was an unkowns work getting showcased, and personally I thought it was quite amusing. Being on it's own it looked a bit daft. If they did something like Pop Gun, and threw half a dozen of these in an issue; all very different for one another. You'd forgive the odd one for sucking and a section they'd support eachother.
Kick-Ass 2 and Nemisis are going to get a lot more violent and sweary, and let's face probably a lot dumber too. They really need to offset this with some more intelligent articales.
Cheers,
LeeBee
Quote from: leebrown1990 on 06 September, 2010, 02:49:13 PMKick-Ass 2 and Nemisis are going to get a lot more violent and sweary, and let's face probably a lot dumber too. They really need to offset this with some more intelligent articales.
Then it wouldn't be a lads mag/comic combo which is unfortunately the point. If you want brains, move on, nothing to see here.
There's dumb and there's "Would your rather kill a baby and no one knows, or an old person and everyone knows?"
I wouldn't consider any of the early strips in 2000AD to be that insulting to it's own audience.
What do you expect, it's Mark millar. He got nothin' to say.
Luckily the articles don't take up too much space and are easily ignored. They are all pretty shit although I did find the Carr/Mintz-Plasse interview quite funny (apart from the baby killing question).
The "Celebrity Pot-Head" article was particularly loathsome. Like a creepy college lecturer trying to prove he's cool to the kids. What a wanker.
The comics were all great though and that's the main thing.
Quote from: George Moore on 06 September, 2010, 02:46:02 PM
No offence...but it sounds absolute gash..
But then I can't stand 'Wossey' :lol:
There's 'Wossy' the tv personality, who, I can understand, a lot of people not liking at all (though I enjoyed his radio show) then there's Wossy the comics guy, who tries to bring comics out into the mainstream audience (In Search of Steve Ditko) and then, finally, there's the Wossy who's the author of Turf - which, credits aside, I'd argue, you wouldn't know it was him.
-pj
Quote from: pauljholden on 06 September, 2010, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: George Moore on 06 September, 2010, 02:46:02 PM
No offence...but it sounds absolute gash..
But then I can't stand 'Wossey' :lol:
There's 'Wossy' the tv personality, who, I can understand, a lot of people not liking at all (though I enjoyed his radio show) then there's Wossy the comics guy, who tries to bring comics out into the mainstream audience (In Search of Steve Ditko) and then, finally, there's the Wossy who's the author of Turf - which, credits aside, I'd argue, you wouldn't know it was him.
-pj
Makes no difference to me really...I collect rare soul records too in which we get several 'celebrities' who share my passion, Wayne Hemmingway being an example...whilst I admire them for their obvious taste my dislike of the individual stands ;)
Quote from: Garageman on 06 September, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
Quote from: Krombasher on 06 September, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
I meant it when I said they could lose nothing by shelving it between HEAT and FHM. Spread the appeal and hit 3 birds with one mag. It's got TV interest in there already, why not expand its audience a bit more, rather than the acquired taste, humour extremist?
Though sometimes you end up hitting nothing when you spread your taget too wide as the product can seem less than satisfying for the individual buyers. If someone wants a lads mag, they will buy Heat or FHM anyway cos they're better at it, the same goes for a comic. I think the potpourri format rarely works.
Quote from: Lady Festina on 06 September, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: Krombasher on 06 September, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
If it spreads the interest to the opposite sex, it could become a real couples mag, bog reading, must have.
If they wanted to spread interest to the opposite sex, they should have mentioned it at their first branding meeting. I'm guessing Germaine Greer wasn't on the Board of Directors advising them to adopt such a bold post-feminist brand????
I'm quite happy to acknowledge the fact that it's not for girls. Some of us will read it (once) because we're interested in comics. 99% of no-tails will walk straight past it, just like we walked past Zoo, Nuts and Loaded.
(Background information: I have enjoyed reading both Heat and FHM over the years but don't think this is good enough to sit between them. That said, I recognise CLiNT's core market and, whatever I may think of their world-view, I wish them luck in selling to it.)
Why is purchasing 3 categories into one mag losing the audience? I want to read comics and have a great curry recipe, found out which beer/beverage is the best thing to soak it up with, wonder why my GF, potential GF is gonna find Eastenders interesting and why I secretly do, (is it because of the mums?) while digging into some extra-ordinary facts about old collectables.
Rather than run around wasting time, space and money on three separates, I can buy it all in one. It can be done with this pioneering attempt. It's only in it's baby feathers.
If Mark specifically aimed this at lads mags, then I'm afraid Mark is missing the mark and will be laughed off the shelves by the types of cretins who buy lads mags. Maybe he should put a Roy of the Rovers strip in there, rather than try and make us all out to be super hero jocks.
Mutant girlfriends from Quazimeer 5. Now there's an article.
Quote from: pauljholden on 06 September, 2010, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: George Moore on 06 September, 2010, 02:46:02 PM
No offence...but it sounds absolute gash..
But then I can't stand 'Wossey' :lol:
There's 'Wossy' the tv personality, who, I can understand, a lot of people not liking at all (though I enjoyed his radio show) then there's Wossy the comics guy, who tries to bring comics out into the mainstream audience (In Search of Steve Ditko) and then, finally, there's the Wossy who's the author of Turf - which, credits aside, I'd argue, you wouldn't know it was him.
Indeed. I haven't watched much of his recent output but his early shows and the... geekier documentaries he has done have all been spot on, as he knows his films and comics. I also had a friend work closely with him and if he'd been an arse I'd have heard about it (at length).
Yeah, im no fan of Ross, but Turf never reads like its written in his voice. Yes, you could argue its massively overwritten, but its certainly the thing that sat in my head longest after putting CLiNT away, and if i buy #2, itll be with the next part of Turf in mind.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 06 September, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
Yeah, im no fan of Ross, but Turf never reads like its written in his voice. Yes, you could argue its massively overwritten, but its certainly the thing that sat in my head longest after putting CLiNT away, and if i buy #2, itll be with the next part of Turf in mind.
SBT
Agreed
After reading the majority of these comments, and based on my own... not dislike of Millar per se, I picked this up yesterday after work and found my negativity swept away. Sure the strips aren't as good as most things that run in twoth. Yes the artwork on Rex Royd was patchy and I find it hard to follow the script, but Nemesis looks great if nothing else, Turf was enjoyable (even though it does feel like Wossy's first comic) with great pulpy art and I'm a big fan of the original Kick Ass. So all in all (and filler content aside), I'm really glad it's around, and hope it stays that way too.
And if a few Frankie Boyle/Wossy/Jimmy Carr fans pick it up and accidentally find themselves reading and even enjoying comic strips - surely this is a good thing?
Flicked through it in Asda today, and it gave me the same feeling that flicking through an issue of Rock Sound (don't judge me - I accidentally won a subscription in an online compo) gives me. I can't help but feel that I should like it - it covers a subject I've been passionate about since the year dot. But I don't like it. Worse - I actively dislike it. I actually feel insulted by the content which seems to have been cynically written specifically for consumption by morons. Then I start to resent the mag for its subterfuge, drawing me in with the promise of geek stuff, then hitting me with sub-Loaded twattery.
That said, Turf looked OK, and I might consider picking that up in collected form if (when) it materialises.
QuoteAfter reading the majority of these comments, and based on my own... not dislike of Millar per se, I picked this up yesterday after work and found my negativity swept away. Sure the strips aren't as good as most things that run in twoth. Yes the artwork on Rex Royd was patchy and I find it hard to follow the script, but Nemesis looks great if nothing else, Turf was enjoyable (even though it does feel like Wossy's first comic) with great pulpy art and I'm a big fan of the original Kick Ass. So all in all (and filler content aside), I'm really glad it's around, and hope it stays that way too.
And if a few Frankie Boyle/Wossy/Jimmy Carr fans pick it up and accidentally find themselves reading and even enjoying comic strips - surely this is a good thing?
Agreed. Though they're hardly Pulitzer material, personally I even found a couple of the text articles mildly diverting - it's only the two or three really puerile ones (Hot Mums etc) that drag the rest down and should have been cut, imo.
still looking... ::)
I got it in Tesco this morning. The comic stuff was mostly good but the articles were all a waste of paper. Diary of a pot-head, and Deeply questionable were particularly awful and the rest were very poor. At least Hot TV Mums had a nice picture of Myleene Klass in it.
Liked Turf a lot, easily the best thing in it.
Oh, also, the Asda near where I work has it discreetly nestling amongst the Peppa Pig, Bob the Builder, Disney Princesses, et al. Made me chuckle, anyway...
Forgto to mention it took me and a senior member of WH Smith staff about ten minutes to find it on their shelves. I was expecting it'd have some sort of fancy P.O.S. stand considering it's the launch issue - or does that sort of thing cost way too much?
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 07 September, 2010, 03:18:19 PM
Forgto to mention it took me and a senior member of WH Smith staff about ten minutes to find it on their shelves. I was expecting it'd have some sort of fancy P.O.S. stand considering it's the launch issue - or does that sort of thing cost way too much?
Costs £20k per year just get the fuckers to put you on the shelves.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 07 September, 2010, 03:57:02 PM
Costs £20k per year just get the fuckers to put you on the shelves.
By all accounts yes, but surely it would also be in their interests that a brand new publication is discoverable by prospective buyers? Selling magazines is, as I understand it, part of their business model?
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 September, 2010, 04:04:53 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 07 September, 2010, 03:57:02 PM
Costs £20k per year just get the fuckers to put you on the shelves.
By all accounts yes, but surely it would also be in their interests that a brand new publication is discoverable by prospective buyers? Selling magazines is, as I understand it, part of their business model?
Not if they can gouge you for a second, even more eye-watering amount for the privilege of 'premium' display space...
Cheers!
Jim
Ah CLiNT...
well it was rubbish.
well, that's not completely.
It started off bad, with Miller saying Grandad had Eagle, Dad had 2000AD, and you've got CLiNT!
DAD!!! I'm 27 you knob! and at least 2000AD doesn't just publish re-prints for people who don't buy comics!
Turf was really good. but I already pick that up! I've had the first couple of issues already! I hadn't read Nemisis before (but it something that's already out as well! -so I could have) But I did like that one.
I must be the only person who didn't see the film or have read the comic of Kick-Ass! so 8 pages of not a lot didn't thrill me that much.
Frankie Boyle was on the cover and that's because he's written a comic. It's ok. We'll see where it goes. But with him being on the cover I'd expect an interview -why do a comic? influences? etc all the bog standard stuff, but no. We get Jimmy Carr!
And then the awful, awful 'features'?
who thought it was a good idea for a MILF 'article'?
Bluuurgghhhh!
Don't waste your money. Just spend 10 minutes in WHSmith to read the comics.
Quote from: amberkraken on 07 September, 2010, 05:09:12 PM
I must be the only person who didn't see the film or have read the comic of Kick-Ass!
No, there are at least two of us.
Quote from: Albion on 07 September, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: amberkraken on 07 September, 2010, 05:09:12 PM
I must be the only person who didn't see the film or have read the comic of Kick-Ass!
No, there are at least two of us.
Three.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 07 September, 2010, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: Albion on 07 September, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: amberkraken on 07 September, 2010, 05:09:12 PM
I must be the only person who didn't see the film or have read the comic of Kick-Ass!
No, there are at least two of us.
Three.
Four.
This was because i was disinterested.
You should watch the film - it's a good laugh.
Five.
But only because I don't get out to the cinema much, not because I didn't want to see it.
Six. I expect that I will watch the dvd within the next couple of weeks though.
Seven. I'm curious though. And I'd like to pick up CLiNT at some point. I pick up the Prog tomorrow, so I'll have a look for it then. I did look last week but I couldn't find it in W H Smith. That being said I was looking in the usual comic section, but I understand from these posts, that's not the place to look.
(I had a look in local shops last Sunday, too, and I felt a bit embarrassed looking at the top shelf mags. Heh.)
If I can't find it I might order it from FP. It's an extra £1 for postage but that still works out cheaper than the bus-fair.
Actually at 35 that means I'm out of their 16-30 age-range, but I'm not fussed by that. I hardly have the life-style or mindscape of someone of 35.
Six and a half. Because i have read the comic, and really, really liked it. Have no intention of seeing the film though.
SBT
Eight. Does it count if I read the comic but wished I didn't?
Nine - but KA2's 8 pages did make me more curious about it.
Ten.
This Clint thing seems to have totally passed me by, I had no idea it was happening. I'#m guessing this is what Tharg was referring to in the prog this week. Gonna try and pick it up on my walk home tonight, as the idea of another comic anthology is appealing (and a friend has been trying to get me to read Jonathan Ross' comic for a wee while now). Interested to see if its any cop (although from comments here I gather its a mixed bag).
Eleven but I will be picking up the Kick-Ass trade at some point so I can get the most out of The CLiNT Experience. I will probably watch the film when it comes on TV too.
Joined the club of "bought it, read it". Well, read the comics, at least. I have no interest in the articles. "HOT TV MUMS"??? C'mon.
Interesting start to Kick Ass 2.
Turf is readable, but amateurish - particularly some of the awful, forced dialogue. My personal feeling is it has been somewhat overrated - the writing is really more fanzine standard. The artwork, fortunately, is good enough to make the story look better than it really is.
Rex Royd is utterly incompetent and incoherent and wouldn't be published at all if it wasn't written by a 'celeb'.
Nemesis was pretty good. The one-off was amusing.
There's enough there to keep me reading for a few more issues to see how things pan out, mainly the two Millar stories which I quite like even though I'm not exactly his biggest fan (to be fair I haven't read much that he's written outside of 2000AD, most of which was probably not his best).
I really, truly hope that once this thing gets some decent sales figures going they drop the whole second rate strips written by celebrities shtick, and give some space to some genuine, upcoming talent instead.
Leonia picked up a copy in Dublin today, and I've just spent a few minutes reading it. Or reading some of it.
Kick-Ass 2: Well, I loved the original Kick-Ass, but this is just too light and fluffy to be a good intro to the sequel. [spoiler]Though I am intrigued by the inclusion of Mindy's "not in the comic but was in the movie" step-dad.[/spoiler]
Turf: Got about half-way through, then gave up when I realised I was only skimming through the longer pieces of dialogue. It was interesting, but far too wordy. It really would have benefited from an editor with the courage to tell Mr. Ross to cut the wordage by half.
Rex Royd: Haven't bothered yet. It all looks a bit muddy.
Nemesis: Really enjoyed it - exactly what I was expecting from a Mark Millar tale.
The assorted features: Meh. For the most part, they're a bit pointless. I do like Jimmy Carr, though, so I'll probably read the interview. The other stuff seemed to be pure filler, of the sort easily available in any number of men's mags. The Celebrity Pothead article was worst thing in the whole mag. Seriously, whoever thought that was a good idea was not firing on all cylinders that day. The last page of editorial in that sort of mag is usually reserved for something light-hearted, not light-headed. That's the one thing that - if it proves to be a regular feature - will put me off buying it.
The Kane & Lynch ads: four whole pages, including the more-expensive back cover and inside back cover. Either the game's distributors (it is a game, isn't it? I didn't look that closely and I've never heard of it before) were really fired-up about Clint, or the advertising editor was having a tough time selling the space. Which does not bode well...
On the whole: an interesting start, but it's really going to have to pick up its game if it's to survive more than a few issues.
-- Mike
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 07 September, 2010, 09:07:49 PM
I really, truly hope that once this thing gets some decent sales figures going they drop the whole second rate strips written by celebrities shtick, and give some space to some genuine, upcoming talent instead.
This is what i found to be slightly misleading or not exactly what i expected but this might be a cheap sales tactic to use to get readers while the new/unknown/upcoming talent are being saved up for presumably when the comicgazine is more established if that ever happens.
Its quite well thought out because its like using the lure of the celebrity to kind of spoonfeed the casual reader who may not be that into comics into reading comics.
I'm sure it's been said but I've just had a look at CliNT -
if it's a comic why is there a photo cover?
if it's meant to be good why is Frankie Boyle involved?
And many other questions
Couldn't find it in the all night garage or the co-op last night, and failed again to find it in 3 WH Smiths and a couple of random newsies this morning. Bah.
Am seeing from the comments a lot of people are finding Turf too wordy, I haven't read it yet but when my mate recommended it to me he did say "the first issue is really wordy but its much better after that" so maybe worth persevering.
Worth a read, again, for Millar's strategic thinking behind CLiNT.
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/588939/mark_millar_interview_kickass_kickass_2_clint_and_more.html
Cheers!
Jim
http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.com/2010/09/clint-1-sales-strong-says-mark-millar.html
Quote"I want no more silly responses where people say it looks like a lads mag," he chastises. "That was kinda the plan, as it got us different shelves and a new audience.
"It's been 25 years since the mainstream really looked at a mass market book that wasn't an outright funny book," he continues. "This was very, very calculated and so far - touch wood- seems to have worked... CLiNT is a pop culture hybrid that gives them something they know with something they haven't tried before."
Cheers
Jim
QuoteAm seeing from the comments a lot of people are finding Turf too wordy, I haven't read it yet but when my mate recommended it to me he did say "the first issue is really wordy but its much better after that" so maybe worth persevering.
Yeah, far too much wordage. It's the old 'show, don't tell' thing, really. Other than that it's quite intriguing.
QuoteMy personal feeling is it has been somewhat overrated - the writing is really more fanzine standard.
I don't agree with that - I think it shows a lot of promise, and it's a cut above the fanzine/small press stuff I've read. If anything, having Ross' name attached would surely lead to the majority of people being prejudiced
against it?
Going to the other extreme, Nemesis is so light it's barely there. If this was 2000ad, all the plot in that episode would have been condensed into a page or two!
Just out of curiosity and sorry if it's been mentioned earlier but how much is it?
It's 4 quid. And considering that the prog now costs £2.25, I think it's good value.
It seems logical that as this magazine features comics then there should be at least one article per issue that is actually about comics.It would be simple enough to write a lively and interesting article about the UK comic scene or even a history of it or anything at all to get the interest of the reader and one less Fluff article wouldnt really be missed.
Get Jonathon Ross to write a monthly article about UK comics given that he is a fan and knows what he is talking about.
Quote from: spaceghost on 08 September, 2010, 10:57:05 AM
It's 4 quid. And considering that the prog now costs £2.25, I think it's good value.
cheers
€6.00 in Ireland. Which is a lot of wonga for a single magazine. I'll probably pick up issue 2, to give it a fair crack at hooking me, but issue 2 would need to be a lot better than issue 1 to do it I'm afraid.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 08 September, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
It seems logical that as this magazine features comics then there should be at least one article per issue that is actually about comics.
Not if you're trying to sell the magazine to people
who don't read comics. All that will do is reinforce the geek/niche ghetto that Millar is trying to break out of...
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 September, 2010, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 08 September, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
It seems logical that as this magazine features comics then there should be at least one article per issue that is actually about comics.
Not if you're trying to sell the magazine to people who don't read comics. All that will do is reinforce the geek/niche ghetto that Millar is trying to break out of...
Cheers
Jim
His plan may backfire when all the people who don't read comics notice all the comics he's put in there.
Quote from: spaceghost on 08 September, 2010, 11:22:03 AM
His plan may backfire when all the people who don't read comics notice all the comics he's put in there.
If you've read any of the stuff I've linked previously, Millar's strategy is very succinctly: "[A] hybrid that gives them something they know with something they haven't tried before."
The celebs and the lad-mag features are essentially a trojan horse for the comics. If the comics won't convince people to buy more comics, I don't see how an article about comics is going to.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 September, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: spaceghost on 08 September, 2010, 11:22:03 AM
His plan may backfire when all the people who don't read comics notice all the comics he's put in there.
If you've read any of the stuff I've linked previously, Millar's strategy is very succinctly: "[A] hybrid that gives them something they know with something they haven't tried before."
The celebs and the lad-mag features are essentially a trojan horse for the comics. If the comics won't convince people to buy more comics, I don't see how an article about comics is going to.
Cheers
Jim
Yes. I know. I was poking fun at that very strategy.
The pages of comics very significantly outnumber the pages of poorly conceived and hurriedly knocked out articles, and I can't imagine a non-comics fan buying CLiNT on the strength of an article about the Manson family can you?
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 08 September, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
Get Jonathon Ross to write a monthly article about UK comics given that he is a fan and knows what he is talking about.
Given the current state of the UK comics industry, it would be a short article...
Quote from: spaceghost on 08 September, 2010, 11:52:40 AM
Yes. I know. I was poking fun at that very strategy.
Got a better one? I only ask because no-one's come up with one in over a decade, so it seems a bit churlish to be negative about someone who's at least trying.
Cheers
Jim
One of my favourite, and most missed, articles from the Meg was the comic showcase.
I bought Luther Arkwright, Street Angel, Kingdom of the Wicked and a few others on the strength of their write up in the Meg. Maybe something like that would be a good idea to sort of suggest good stuff to people.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 September, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: spaceghost on 08 September, 2010, 11:52:40 AM
Yes. I know. I was poking fun at that very strategy.
Got a better one? I only ask because no-one's come up with one in over a decade, so it seems a bit churlish to be negative about someone who's at least trying.
Cheers
Jim
Christ Jim, you sure like an argument don't you? :lol:
If (to paraphrase you) you'd read any of my previous posts in this thread, you'd see that I've been defending CLiNT, and Millar's guts to publish it, since the beginning.
It was just a joke.
Quote from: spaceghost on 08 September, 2010, 12:35:01 PM
Christ Jim, you sure like an argument don't you? :lol:
My apologies. I'm not supposed to be doing this any more.
As you were.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 September, 2010, 12:37:27 PM
Quote from: spaceghost on 08 September, 2010, 12:35:01 PM
Christ Jim, you sure like an argument don't you? :lol:
My apologies. I'm not supposed to be doing this any more.
As you were.
Cheers
Jim
No need to apologise. No harm done. :)
I'd just like to thank the Forum scriptwriters for that spot-on cameo appearance by Mr Jim Campbell. Just like the old days :-)
Quote from: Lady Festina on 08 September, 2010, 01:52:36 PM
I'd just like to thank the Forum scriptwriters for that spot-on cameo appearance by Mr Jim Campbell. Just like the old days :-)
Bad day yesterday, work avoidance today. Owed a lot of money by multiple sources and can't get motivated. Will probably give up and hit the pub.
Edit to add: Oh. Wait, I can't, because I'm sitting here with a rush job on my plate, twiddling my thumbs because the colourist hasn't uploaded a single page, three days after he was asked to by the editor and twelve hours after he e-mailed me to say he was doing it right away.
Bah. Fuck it.Jim
Quote from: radiator on 08 September, 2010, 10:49:21 AM
QuoteMy personal feeling is it has been somewhat overrated - the writing is really more fanzine standard.
I don't agree with that - I think it shows a lot of promise, and it's a cut above the fanzine/small press stuff I've read. If anything, having Ross' name attached would surely lead to the majority of people being prejudiced against it?
I'm not saying he doesn't have talent. There's clearly plenty of the raw variety there. But his script does kinda read like he hasn't had the benefit of all those helpful rejection letters from editors telling him what he's doing wrong and how to improve on it - which I suspect is probably precisely the case.
Shit, typed out a big comment then my laptop died. Anyway, the gist,
WH Smiths and Asda both had it prominently displayed. Easy to find.
Bit of a rant about WH Smths merchandising.
Haven't read yet but flicked through. Seems a lot of comics for 3.99. If they are any good they'll be worth the price alone so I won't feel shortchanged by naff articles. If they don't grab me I'll probably still be back for a few more issues because this is a project which should be supported. It may take a while to really fly but if it ends up folding early doors we'll never know what might have been.
FWIW, I enjoyed Turf - great concept and great art. But to me it certainly felt like the first comic Jonathan Ross has ever written. Still, I'll be tuning in next month.
Ross did say he set out to make a dense comics, he shared his own annoyance at how quick some American comics read. The heavy narration was a stylistic choice, a throw back to the Golden age Stan Lee tales he grew up with, an editor may have told him to tone it down a bit, but I think his dailogue was more the weakness. Some of it was a bit monolguey and expository.
He did go from one extreme to another, but I felt it was enjoyable for the most pat I don't think I could tackle a trade of this in one sitting, but once a month, if I was still reading my American comcis, would have been a breath of fresh air.
For me it was by far the strongest thing in the mag, with the best art too. Which is saying something when it's up against JRJR who probably is one of my all time favourites. McNivens art was just average by his own standards, that splash page is about the blandest I've seen, the ones in Old Man Logan and Civil War blow you away no matter how many times you see them.
I feel bad for tearing into the Mag so much, because I did enjoy it, and I think what Millar is trying to do is admirable, just at the moment I feel he is sending a mixed message. I think for a while it will be surviving purely off the names of the celebs but I have feeling he has come up with a model that will work, once it hits it's stride.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 September, 2010, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 08 September, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
It seems logical that as this magazine features comics then there should be at least one article per issue that is actually about comics.
Not if you're trying to sell the magazine to people who don't read comics. All that will do is reinforce the geek/niche ghetto that Millar is trying to break out of...
Cheers
Jim
Oh well ....
It was still a good idea regardless of that.
;)
I think the problem is that it's not enough of a lad's mag to pull that readership over.
An interview with Jimmy Carr? Not exactly special.
A comic by Frankie Boyle? But NOTHING ELSE.
Charles Manson? wtf?
Sweary wordsearch? grow up...
Voice over artists? Boring boring boring
Hot TV mums? Now that's just sad
Herb Du Joir? The saddest of the lot, totally pathetic.
There's some great stuff in lads mags out there, and he needs to aim more at FHM than NUTS, especially as the price is similar to the former.
Its amazing how Charles Manson is still hero worshipped and is still a Cult leader despite being incarcerated.
Just Google the name to find out and read his thoughts on enviromentalism.
I havent said so before but giving publicity to that drug addled degenerate deranged whackjob is a very big negative and i thoroughly disapprove of it.
After failing to find it in just about every newsagent/supermarket/weird little shop in Glasgow I eventually found it in Forbidden Planet. That made me chuckle a little as the whole "for people who don't go into comics shops" marketing strategy came to mind.
I'm guessing that just means its sold really well. Haven't read it yet, but after a quick leaf it seems like there's plenty of comic stuff. If its going to be "lad mag-esque" I would take pictures of boobs over articles about Manson and being stoned mind you, but that's just me.
For anyone who really dislikes like it you could sell it on for a profit.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kick-Ass-2-Part-one-Clint-magazine-1-Mark-Milar-/370428920853?pt=UK_Books_comics_Magazines_UK_Comics_ET&hash=item563f48c415
I'm guessing someone overseas is buying it for Kick-Ass 2.
QuoteIf its going to be "lad mag-esque" I would take pictures of boobs over articles about Manson and being stoned mind you, but that's just me.
No, it isn't just you- I'm with you on that! If you're going for lad-ish, there's no point in doing it half-ersed, as well hung for a sheep as a lamb etc. Should have stuck some car pictures and maybe a humorous feature poking fun at blokes with handbags...
I guess it's really trying to be the Deadline for it's day. Back then, the House of Love (bloody brilliant) and Thousand Yard Stare (bloody awful) were really why a lot of people were picking it up.
It does seem as though CLiNT could have been that bit more Loaded than it is to bring in 'the lads'. Some soft porn about the latest page three (assuming there is still such a thing as a page three girl) and how this car gets to 60 a third of a second faster than that one (quite why that's of interest to anyone is beyond my but there you go). It would have turned me off completely and, I'm guessing, quite a lot in here but, then again, I'm hardly the target market. I'd prefer something about wars :D
"there's no point in reading comics, they're stupid! They treat the kids is if they we're...well, as if they were, you know, kids! Nothing but war in them! War! War! Bloody war! Why can't they have stories about love and peace?"
"For one man to love another, Vyvyan, is not poofy. It's actually very beautiful. It's only when they start touching each others bottoms that it gets poofy."
Okay, I've now read it, or at least most of it and I can say that my benefit of the doubt is now a hearty thumbs up. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Not read Nemesis yet but as for the rest:
Kick Ass I've not read any of in the past as it didn't look like my kind of thing but these 8 pages alone have made me rethink that and I shall be enquiring as to it's availability at the library on the morrow.
Turf more than held my interest throughout, even with what some have termed the overwordiness. Intriguing premise that has a lot of directions it could go in and I'm hooked. For some reason I'd gotten it into my head that the vampires were the aliens (don't know where I thought I got that from) so the fact that they aren't was a bit of a twist for me.
The Frankie Boyle story was probably the weakest of the main strips for me and wasn't helped by unclear artwork in places but there was more than enough here to make me want to read part 2. Even if it was abundantly obvious [spoiler]that the security guard wasn't really Royd. [/spoiler] Don't know if that was meant to be obvious or designed to be a twist?
As for the features, all I can say is that while the strategy may make commercial sense, and Millar has obviously put a lot of thought into it, I don't see that these are particularly good examples of the lads mag ethos. Not saying don't have them but maybe a little more thought needs yo go into the content. As others have already noted. That said, as someone who was buying for the comics they didn't upset me in the slightest. I counted 16 pages of features, including contents/editorial compared to 71 strip pages. I could rip them out and be more than happy with the value for money.
Final thought, I 'would' with 4 out of the 10 Hot Mums.
Quote from: starscape on 08 September, 2010, 10:28:32 PM
I guess it's really trying to be the Deadline for it's day. Back then, the House of Love (bloody brilliant) ... were really why a lot of people were picking it up.
Yes. The House of Love were bloody brilliant, weren't they? Between them and the Roses, 1989 was a very good year to be at college.
Quote from: starscape on 08 September, 2010, 10:28:32 PM
and how this car gets to 60 a third of a second faster than that one (quite why that's of interest to anyone is beyond my but there you go).
Now Starscape, surely you've played Top Trumps?
Quote from: Grant Goggans on 09 September, 2010, 03:13:47 AM
Quote from: starscape on 08 September, 2010, 10:28:32 PM
I guess it's really trying to be the Deadline for it's day. Back then, the House of Love (bloody brilliant) ... were really why a lot of people were picking it up.
Yes. The House of Love were bloody brilliant, weren't they? Between them and the Roses, 1989 was a very good year to be at college.
Thirded. Got Stevie into community radio, that did.
So far I've only flicked through Clint, and I know I'm pretty far off the target audience, being mid thirties, and... y'know, a girl and all, but I think if I was a bloke I'd be insulted that this was the kind of beyond puerile drivel that Millar thinks you want. It's all been said here before but 'hot TV mums'... really?!
I will probably go back and read the strip, but even if it's excellent I can't imagine buying further copies because i just couldn't bring myself to fund more crap like the 'articles' in the first issue. I wanted to like it, and have been told I have the sense of humour of a 15 year old boy but its just too bad! I found it's knowing laddishness and Millars smugathon editorial too embarrassing to continue with. I'm not insulted as a female (it's too stupid to take offence at) but I am insulted and disappointed as a UK comic fan.
I've never felt like 2000AD wasn't meant for me, I mean OK Anderson never really ages and there's the odd unfeasibly big boobed, wasp waisted lovely, but no more so than in most Hollywood blockbusters. It would be insulting for Clint to set itself up as the new twoth (why would we need a new one?) if it wasn't so far off the mark. Twoth has always had a level of intelligence and wit that clint is light years away from. Its like comparing 'two pints of lager and a packet of crisps' to citizen kane.
'welcome to the next big thing'? Nup.
Oh and I haven't seen KA yet either, I really wanted to but was too massively pregnant to get to the cinema.
I'm now feeling obliged to find the cash for this just so I can offer an informed opinion. In the meantime, Em-bot's post raises the question yet again: in reaching out to a 'new' comics audience by taking an allegedly-LCD approach, are you just alienating as many other folk? I find myself agreeing with Jim and others that Millar deserves credit for trying to bludgeon a new comics market into existence, but...
I haven't seen it yet. Not in my usual Newsagent nor in WHSmiths across the road. Might have to venture to Tesco to see if they've got a copy.
Most of the forum seems to give it a nod and it is the first new comic strip/'lifestyle' magazine for quite a while. I'll have to see if I can fit it into my 'lifestyle' of drudgery! :)
Quote from: Em-bot on 09 September, 2010, 09:51:08 AM
I'm not insulted as a female (it's too stupid to take offence at) but I am insulted and disappointed as a UK comic fan.
I might agree except I actually didn't see much wrong with the commicy part of the magazine. And I'm sure the lads mag stuff was no more trashy than other lads mag stuff out there, if that's what they're going for.
I get your point taking it as a publication as a whole though. I wasn't all that bothered by the articles since they were the parts I was least interested in anyway, but then I'm a comic reader anyway. (I wasn't keen on Rex Royd but for different reasons.)
Anyway. Just got this yesterday. Finished it today:
Cover: Meh. But I see what Millar's going for since it's effectively a comic in disguise.
Millar's editorial: I don't really agree with his comments suggesting this is a 'boys comic' (I think of that being for an age range of 7 to 16, while this contains a lot of stuff I'd think of as 18+ if it were done on film). As for filling in the gap 2000 AD left... I see his point in the sense that 2000 AD doesn't have the following it used to have. If he is referring to leaving that age-range behind, well, yes it has, but it's not like CLiNT's strips is suitable for that age range either!
Anyhow...
Kick-Ass 2: I haven't read the original story or the film but I liked this. Not a whole lot happens but it was funny and a nice introduction.
"Props for hiding an AK-47 in a teddy-bear, by the way". Heh. Nice art too.
Turf: 1930s with gangsters and aliens sounds like a recipe for disaster doesn't it? But this really did work! I agree on some of the points concerning wordiness (which actually seemed to be toned down by the end of the strip) and some of the dialogue being too expositiony. The story was interesting though, and part of the reason it worked, I think, was that the character were more than just one-dimensional pantomime villains and monsters. Very good stuff, and the artwork which gave it a kind of period feel was a nice touch.
Rex-Royd: While I didn't like the art for this as much as the other strips the style is perfectly acceptable for telling a good story. It's a shame it didn't though. I can see there's an interesting story here, it's just not told very well. I think it's worth sticking with though.
Nemesis: This was actually quite grim and nasty wasn't it? It was a great start with interesting hero and villain*. Very nice art. [spoiler]I'd like to know how Nemesis got on the wing of that plane and blew up the jets though. Maybe that'll be clear next issue (I almost said 'prog' then from force of habit). Can he fly? Does he actually have superpowers? (I know he's a super-villain, they don't all have super powers any more than super heroes do.)[/spoiler]
Space Oddities: Not as twisty and good as our Future Shocks but it was a nice read (and to be fair it only had three pages). I enjoyed the art too. What's with the Huw Edwards bloke though? Is he the new talent scout?
Other stuff: Not as offensive to me as it will be to a lot of people but I found some of it disturbingly nasty. I confess I had a look at the hot mums and agreed with a lot of the choices though. Doesn't mean I disrespect women. Honest.
*Interesting it's named after the villain though. Does that mean he'll get the upper hand?
QuoteI guess it's really trying to be the Deadline for it's day.
And yet, I thought Deadline was one of the biggest piles of puerile, amateurish crap I'd ever set eyes on. A real lot of art that was even below fanzine quality and turgid uninteresting stories with dull half-baked characters. Truly it stank.
IMO Clint shits all over Deadline, without breaking a sweat, on the strength of the strip alone- because Deadline sucked balls in an embarrassingly large way. I'd hazard a guess that's why, ultimately, it failed and vanished up it's own wanky arse.
Similarly 2k (for us) is going shit all over Clint without breaking a sweat.
The Meg, however, is a different kettle of fish at the moment, I think I'd rather pay 3.99 for Clint and not read the rubbish articles than 5.99 for the Meg and not read the stupid damned film reviews and the endless sea of rubbish that has been the floppy for countless months (which you are being
forced to buy if you want the Meg, a shitty corporate-style money making tactic made even less palatable by the erroneous claim of being 'free').
There used to be such a thing as casual comic readers. They didn't fuss over continuity, reboots and how many links were in Dredd's chain. They didn't care (or even notice) who was on scripting duties, nor feel placed to rip stories and art apart in scathing critiques. These people wouldn't have seen themselves as 'comic book geeks', they just happened to read a comic (as well as fixing cars and playing fitba). IMO, geeks like all of us have helped scare these people away from comics (as well as the stereotyping of geeks like us).
Millar is obviously aiming Clint at trying to get people like that back into the fold, so comic geeks complaining about 'fanzine quality script', 'too much exposition' (as if they could do better themselves) and lack of comic based articles is totally irrelevant and misses the point of Clint entirely.
Of course it's not perfect (neither is 2000ad), the articles are rank and tedious, but they are no worse than those damned film reviews that have blighted the Megazine for bloody ages now. It's not as good as 2k- nowhere near, but it could hammer some nails into a coffin for the Meg, which always appears to be struggling (Not really sure if it is or not). Sticking in a cheap postcard 'free' gift and whacking another quid onto the price is hardly the epitome of a healthy mag. In view of this latest hike and given the current financial climate, there may be a few who have to decide between the Meg and Clint. The Meg needs to shape up and trim the fat sharpish, or it
might lose some readership to the NKOTB.
[rant]
Not for you? Fine- that's fairenough, don't buy it- no ones going to be expected to stump up every month for something they don't want (Meg readers excepted viz. the floppy) and kudos for at least sampling it, but to pour scorn on a project which
could help revitalise the UK comics industry (even in a small way) and possibly even draw some more lapsed readers back to 2k is a nonsense.
It makes me laugh that Frankie Boyle (in particular)and Jonathan Ross
may end up being more significant figures in UK comics history than us pontificating, self-appointed comic 'experts' could ever hope to achieve; despite the fact that some of the same 'experts' are rubbishing his work as amateurish (
after just one fucking episode of comic strip!!!!) and looking down their noses at Clint as if it is beneath their superior intellects. I love that kind of thing- it's like poetic justice, folks.
Give the guy the same chance you would like to be given yourself should the situation arrive. Like it or not, anything else smacks of petty jealousy and almost willing the guy to fail, though I can accept that it may not be. Remember, Frankie Boyle isn't just a 'celebrity creator', he's also 'new talent'.
Such an attitude would be utterly moronic and in 20 years time you'll
still be sitting around moaning about the state of UK Comics whilst personally doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to change it (whilst buying plenty US comics) and indeed sabotaging anyone else who tries. Stupid, short-sighted and selfish.
[/rant]
I realise this might seem a bit of a vehement pot-shot, but it has been extensively edited to tone it down, so if anyone finds it offensive, then maybe the cap fits all too well.
Can anyone explain to me what the hell Rex Royd is all about? Really think Millar should have co-written this because it's a bit of a mess as is. I really don't like the artwork either. Got nothing against Boyle, and it's great that he's trying his hand at comics, but this needs editing, badly.
The only weak strip in the line-up, though - quite looking forward to issue 2.
After Reading this thread I decided to buy and was pleasantly surprised with the quality..my only gripe was the Frankie Boyle strip..what a load of gash
Quote from: amberkraken on 07 September, 2010, 05:09:12 PM
with Miller saying Grandad had Eagle, Dad had 2000AD, and you've got CLiNT!
DAD!!! I'm 27 you knob!
I'M 15!
This isn't sending out a good message.
Quote from: radiator on 09 September, 2010, 08:52:58 PM
Can anyone explain to me what the hell Rex Royd is all about?
OK, you asked. The main character is a henchman working for a Lex Luthor style super-villain. One day, he steals some drugs from the lab which, when taken, open his mind and he "realises" that HE is Rex Royd and he's been in deep, deep cover as a henchman to do some investigation into the organisation.
He then confronts his second in command and declares that the next phase of his covert surveillance will concentrate on his armoured power-suit division. Whilst training with his fellow henchman, 'Rex' is attacked by super-heroes and 'Rex' is mortally wounded, dying in agony.
We then see the real, REAL Rex Royd speaking to his second in command who reveals that the drugs taken by the henchman were designed to make him THINK that he was the real Rex Royd. It's then decided that this experimental drug would be useless in the bodyguard division as the henchmen would believe that their lives were more important than the 'fake' (but actually real,) Rex Royd.
Does that make sense? I read it acouple of times and it IS confusing. That's what I think is happening anyway!
Oooooooooooooooooohhh is that what it was?!?
Thanks Spaceghost. I read it a few times myself but just wasn't getting it!
QuoteOK, you asked. The main character is a henchman working for a Lex Luthor style super-villain. One day, he steals some drugs from the lab which, when taken, open his mind and he "realises" that HE is Rex Royd and he's been in deep, deep cover as a henchman to do some investigation into the organisation.
I understood it up to here when I read the strip (and was quite enjoying it), then it completely lost me.
Yeah, I got lost around there too- there's a change in the style of the colouring as well- I'm undecided as to whether it's a bit of confidence or [spoiler]if it is deliberate, representing the change in his conciousness from the implant wearing off.[/spoiler]. I know about the security guard bit, but I have no idea who or what Rex Royd is. [spoiler]He may or may not work as a Superhero killer.[/spoiler] I suspect we might find out as we go along. I felt what was trying to come across was [spoiler]the sort of fractured mind effect of both the drugs and the false identity wearing off.[/spoiler]
But, I might be wrong and maybe it's just not very good. Time will tell, but I'm certainly interested in knowing a bit more before I make any kind of call on it.
OK, I've read the strips now and have to admit that on the most part i really enjoyed them. With the same caveats that have been put foward by everyone else (too much exposition, nice art covered by flabby text boxes etc...) I thought turf was great. I really enjoyed nemesis, lovely to look at, quite an original set up, would like to know how this pans out... didn't know what the hell was going on in RR until i read the explanations above, so thanks for that!
But now i am on the horns of a dilemma because I would like to carry on reading nemesis and turf, but genuinely couldn't bring myself to pay for a magazine that thinks casual racism is funny (chinese tom cruise article) or prints salacious crap like the manson piece. hot mums etc is just a bit sad really. I might just wait to buy turf and nemesis trades.
Quote from: Em-bot on 10 September, 2010, 03:17:45 PMBut now i am on the horns of a dilemma because I would like to carry on reading nemesis and turf, but genuinely couldn't bring myself to pay for a magazine that thinks casual racism is funny (chinese tom cruise article) or prints salacious crap like the manson piece. hot mums etc is just a bit sad really. I might just wait to buy turf and nemesis trades.
The beauty of an anthology is you can afford to tradewait (not that I'd recommend doing this with 2000AD, oh no siree, ma'am - don't even think it, or mention it at the dinner table) and the Nemesis hardcover is already available to pre-order, even if I think it might be a bit optimistic to put a firm release date on it (of, later this month):
www.amazon.co.uk/Millar-McNivens-Nemesis-Premiere-HC/dp/0785148655/
The Turf one shouldn't be far off either but Image tend to wait until most of the comics are out before soliciting the trades.
I was excited and looking forward to reading it....but then I skimmed through it a couple of occasions at Tescos and didn't see much worth spending the money on it for
Plus I am fucking annoyed I now have to wait EVEN LONGER to see Nemesis #3 having already bought the first 2 >:(
Yep, as most here are saying, the strips are good (Rex Royd is a bit weird) but the "articles" are tosh. Replace all of the "articles" with another strip or two would be my shout.
Do what I'm going to do: ignore the articles, lookit all them comics for £3.99!
-pj
Quote from: Kerrin on 11 September, 2010, 12:50:16 PM
Yep, as most here are saying, the strips are good (Rex Royd is a bit weird) but the "articles" are tosh. Replace all of the "articles" with another strip or two would be my shout.
Then it would be a comic, and the CLiNT gang would be cool no more.
Just bought this and I'm thinking of taking it back to the shop to ask for my money back.
Kickass2: a few pages of swearing
Turf: ridiculously verbose to the extent that some of the panels are almost entirely covered in word balloons. Far too long and dull - it appears to be about vampires fighting gangsters fighting aliens. On the first page it takes about fifty words for someone to decide to open a door.
Rex: Ive read this twice now and ihonest to god have no idea what to make of it. In the immortal words of Ron Burgandy, it literally makes no sense.
Nemesis: That well know Millar trope of an unstoppable, immoral supervillan who kills people for fun. Explosions and swearing. Wanted in a cape. Childish.
There are also several features which look like they've been knocked of in about ten minutes and are utterly vapid, if not a little insulting. The highlight of the magazine are the nine separate adverts for Kickass and Kickass mechandise.
Quote from: beta on 11 September, 2010, 03:18:31 PM
Just bought this and I'm thinking of taking it back to the shop to ask for my money back.
Kickass2: a few pages of swearing
Turf: ridiculously verbose to the extent that some of the panels are almost entirely covered in word balloons. Far too long and dull - it appears to be about vampires fighting gangsters fighting aliens. On the first page it takes about fifty words for someone to decide to open a door.
Rex: Ive read this twice now and ihonest to god have no idea what to make of it. In the immortal words of Ron Burgandy, it literally makes no sense.
Nemesis: That well know Millar trope of an unstoppable, immoral supervillan who kills people for fun. Explosions and swearing. Wanted in a cape. Childish.
There are also several features which look like they've been knocked of in about ten minutes and are utterly vapid, if not a little insulting. The highlight of the magazine are the nine separate adverts for Kickass and Kickass mechandise.
But did you like it?
Quote from: Garageman on 11 September, 2010, 02:05:33 PM
Quote from: Kerrin on 11 September, 2010, 12:50:16 PM
Yep, as most here are saying, the strips are good (Rex Royd is a bit weird) but the "articles" are tosh. Replace all of the "articles" with another strip or two would be my shout.
Then it would be a comic, and the CLiNT gang would be cool no more.
Ah yes, yes that would be a problem. Hmm, I know, fuck 'em, let's have another comic.
Just read this, I really liked it. I don't have the kind of comic budget that stretches to trying out heaps of new stuff, so the idea of another anthology to compliment my 2000AD/Meg sub makes me happy.
The content was great too, I'm sure when KickAss 2 warms up it'll be fun, although I don't like the idea of it being served in such tiny chunks. If it's gonna be the size of the first book then it'll be a a loooooong time before this finishes.
Really liked Turf, even in a story about vampires [spoiler]the aliens seemed out of leftfield and really unexpected, and if the turf war turns out to be between aliens and vampires with gangsters in the middle then that's a pretty sellable concept.[/spoiler] Didn't find it too wordy either, there was a lot of reading in it but apart from the vampire backstory exposition it didn't seem forced to me. Lovely art too.
As seems to be common, I didn't follow parts of Rex Royd at all. It seems like it could have benefited from a prologue chapter at least explaining the world and the backdrop to the story, it just seemed a mess as it is. In more experienced hands it would have actually been a decent wee story [spoiler]and the twist wasn't a bad twist, there just wasn't enough breathing room or cohesion in the story for it to have any weight.[/spoiler]I chuckled at a couple of the very Boyle lines though.
Nemesis seems really good and I gather is pretty popular so it'll be nice to read that. I notice Millar gets a bit of bad press around these parts but I really enjoyed Wanted and Kick Ass so I guess I must like him. Oh and the short strip at the end was a nice little bonus.
The text features were pretty poor, but were over really quickly and made up such a small part of the reading experience that I barely even registered their shitness as a negative. I will definitely be getting issue 2 and can see me getting a sub if the comic to feature ratio remains as is.
It made me want to hurt myself.
CLiNT has stolen £3.99 from me and I will not rest until I get it back.
Quote from: pauljholden on 11 September, 2010, 01:14:10 PM
Do what I'm going to do: ignore the articles, lookit all them comics for £3.99!
-pj
Exactly. 70some pages for less than £4 It's a proper bargain. It's certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than the prog, especially with the latest increase.
Thats not a complaint about twoth prices (which I don't resent), simply a statement of mathematical fact.
If you don't like the comics thats fair enough but for those who do but are allowing themselves to be put off by the articles I say you owe it to yourselves to reconsider.
Quote from: pauljholden on 11 September, 2010, 01:14:10 PM
Do what I'm going to do: ignore the articles, lookit all them comics for £3.99!
-pj
yup- that's my outlook on it too.
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 11 September, 2010, 06:16:46 PM
Exactly. 70some pages for less than £4 It's a proper bargain. It's certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than the prog, especially with the latest increase.
but you get 5 tales for £2:25 with 2000AD as opposed to only 4 for £4 with CLiNT, plus some shitty articles and top tens. I know the real bargain.
CLINT: £3.99 divided by 71 pages of strip equals just over 5p a page.
2000ad: £2.25 divided by 28 pages of strip equals a little over 8p a page.
I'm shit at numbers, but even I can see which is cheaper, even without the filler rubbish.
(Not that there's much in it, but we're as well to stick to the facts where they exist)
I still assert that it is far better value than the Megazine.
G-Man's mom is better value than the Megazine.
If you make purchases based on pennies per square inch, you'd be better of with Bella or Take a Break. They're at least as long as Ross's story, and you can get five for a pound.
As I often say to Mrs Beta, "forget the size if it...feel the quality".
I've just about read the whole mag now, and I've got to say that I enjoyed it a lot. Yes the articles were pointless and puerile, but they were short enough not to detract from the comics. Turf was over-wordy, but there was a story there and the art was easy on the eye. Really enjoyed Nemesis. I've become quite a fan of Steve McNiven, and having only read Mark Millar's 2000ad stuff until very recently, it's good to see that he does indeed know how to put a good yarn together. Even Rex Royd has it's high points.
I reckon I enjoyed this more than I've enjoyed the last few Megs. But saying that, I didn't expect much from this and I always expect more from the Meg.
Quote from: Dog Deever on 11 September, 2010, 08:05:20 PM
CLINT: £3.99 divided by 71 pages of strip equals just over 5p a page.
2000ad: £2.25 divided by 28 pages of strip equals a little over 8p a page.
I'm shit at numbers, but even I can see which is cheaper, even without the filler rubbish.
(Not that there's much in it, but we're as well to stick to the facts where they exist)
I still assert that it is far better value than the Megazine.
By the same test, this month's Meg has 116 pages of strip for £5.99 = 5.1 pence per page. That's split 50/66 original to reprint. I'm not sure of the page counts in clint, but three of the four main stories are either reprint or effectively subsidised by the projected profit made from the US edition.
Obviously, your opinion of individual stories may vary, as will your receptiveness to reprint if it's actually new to you, but what interests me more than the current content is whether the whole plan is simply to rely primarily on reprinting US stuff. Or is this just a way of using work which is "in the bank" so to speak, requiring no capital outlay to produce until they've determined whether the reader base is sufficient to start paying to commision more original material.
At least Clint's the size comics should be.
Quote from: beta on 11 September, 2010, 08:50:23 PM
If you make purchases based on pennies per square inch, you'd be better of with Bella or Take a Break. They're at least as long as Ross's story, and you can get five for a pound.
As I often say to Mrs Beta, "forget the size if it...feel the quality".
Bored housewives - Millar's next target audience?
Quote from: Dog Deever on 11 September, 2010, 08:05:20 PM
CLINT: £3.99 divided by 71 pages of strip equals just over 5p a page.
2000ad: £2.25 divided by 28 pages of strip equals a little over 8p a page.
I'm shit at numbers, but even I can see which is cheaper, even without the filler rubbish.
(Not that there's much in it, but we're as well to stick to the facts where they exist)
I still assert that it is far better value than the Megazine.
The value in CLiNT is wasted on pointless articles, so you're paying more for less.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 11 September, 2010, 08:10:28 PM
G-Man's mom is better value than the Megazine.
but, Roger, your Mom comes in a plastic bag with something extra at the back. Best value guaranteed.
I'd prefer if comics were on Take A Break's format. 80p for goodness knows how many pages in full-colour. You might prefer the plushness of heavy paper but that would get casual (and eventually full-time) readers back in their droves.
There is a lot of talk about how Clint is the contemporary equivelant of 2000ad and it even says so in the sales talk blurb - "Your dad had 2000ad etc" and how this publication is going to do something positive for the UK comic scene/industry which it may or may not do as that remains to be seen but i disagree with the above comment by Clint because this publication rather than being a modern day 2000ad/anthology title is really all about marketing and promoting the name and trademark of Mark Millar/Millarworld respectively.
So crowing about it being the dumbed down generations 2000ad is not quite right when they have very little in common other than both being anthologies yet somehow everyone is supposed to feel a sense of duty and back this publication and muck in together regardless of the quality of its content.
I dont buy into this philosophy particularly but i do agree with the comments about intellectual superiority and snobbery because its absolutely true but everyone has the right to discern what they read and wether that is a good or bad thing is not really for someone else to comment on and its certainly not for someone else to assume that ones own criticism and comments about Clint are somehow loaded because one might not like Frankie Boyle or Mark Millar but even if they are then so what* ??
As for which is cheaper and which is value for money then obviously you have to subtract the MillerFiller to work that one out but just because Clint works out cheaper or more for your money that doesnt by default make it better than 2000ad because its like comparing the difference between a Smart Price tin of tomatoes and the more expensive alternatives and its clear that 2000ad is a superior publication in terms of its content so you get what you pay for.
*For the sake of being diplomatic i was referring to a previous comment/rant that i felt was a little bit unfair and a bit too overzelous/rabid in its attack on the detractors of Clint and its very boring if something that is purely subjective should cause polarised arguments and friction.
Not everyone is going to like Clint so WTF does anyone expect ??
- [Unconstructive criticism like "its Shit " excepted but that goes without saying.]
Quote from: Garageman on 11 September, 2010, 07:53:40 PM
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 11 September, 2010, 06:16:46 PM
Exactly. 70some pages for less than £4 It's a proper bargain. It's certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than the prog, especially with the latest increase.
but you get 5 tales for £2:25 with 2000AD as opposed to only 4 for £4 with CLiNT, plus some shitty articles and top tens. I know the real bargain.
Purely by the numbers, Clint is cheaper comics. Thats all I meant. But the point of my comment wasn't really to make it an either/or thing - it's not for me, I'm happy to buy both - but simply to point out that with or without the articles, which I agree are shit, it's good value for money comics wise.
It's a lot of comics for not a lot of money.If these are comics you want to read, you're getting a bargain. If they aren't, you're not. Ignore the articles, pretend they are not there. Is it good value comics? Yes or No?
I realise that I'm just repeating my own past comments (and those of others) but I can't quite get my head around why people are so against the comic based on the articles. We knew going in that we weren't the target audience for them and likely wouldn't take much away from them. They were designed (badly, but that's beside the point) to bring in non comic readers. We are already comic readers, lets judge it on the comics.
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 12 September, 2010, 12:56:48 AM
I realise that I'm just repeating my own past comments (and those of others) but I can't quite get my head around why people are so against the comic based on the articles. We knew going in that we weren't the target audience for them and likely wouldn't take much away from them. They were designed (badly, but that's beside the point) to bring in non comic readers. We are already comic readers, lets judge it on the comics.
I think it's more the incongruence of the quality of the articles with the comics. The comics ain't too badly written but the rest of the mag is, why let it down? Make the articles less like a bad lads mag and get people who can actually write good humorous, piss-taking articles and clever, irreverent features. The articles just seem pointless if they're bad and lazy, it also kinda makes you wonder who the mag is really aimed at?
QuoteMake the articles less like a bad lads mag and get people who can actually write good humorous, piss-taking articles and clever, irreverent features.
Yes, agreed.
Quotejust because Clint works out cheaper or more for your money that doesnt by default make it better than 2000ad
Nobody at all has said that it is.
Garageman said that 5 stories for 2.25 was better value than 4 for 3.99, but these figures are misleading- Clint is cheaper per page of strip, it has 71 pages of strip FFS! As Faplad says, if you like the strips it's a bargain- there just isn't any denying it. No one is saying that 2000ad isn't value for money- we all buy it so we all think that (to a greater or lesser extent) it is.
Quoteeveryone has the right to discern what they read and wether that is a good or bad thing is not really for someone else to comment on
If they post it on a public forum it is. No one is trying to take anyone's right to post whatever they want away- and I'm perfectly entitled to think and post that any publicly offered opinion is stupid or shortsighted, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks of it. I could choose to be diplomatic but I'm not obliged to, and you don't have to agree.
Sure Millar made a cheap jibe to rile up 2000ad fans- does that surprise you? His name is synonymous with many things round here, few of them good. I'm sure he's well aware of both that and the interest in Clint on this board- all he needs do is make a couple of tongue in cheek remarks and sit back and laugh at people gurning about it- who could resist?
Not me.
Arguing for more comic related articles is folly- Millar is quite deliberately avoiding that, as has been pointed out ad infinitum by Millar and a few others round here. The Megazine is the mag you're looking for!
It has articles on comics related stuff- if they'd get rid of the film reviews, they'd even fit more in (maybe some of those article ideas that PJ was suggesting a while back). If they also trimmed off the floppy and postcard they could take the price down closer to Clint and compete on strip quality.
As someone else says- it doesn't
have to be either/ or, I'd like to see some degree of mutual aid as both stand to gain if the venture succeeds at all- maybe a free full page add swap. Tharg would then have an excuse not to print any of those awful, obsequious letters from Mssrs. Watson and Proudfoot ( ;)) for one week, and Clint would have one less page of shite filler articles!
I'm also hoping to see some 2000ad droids getting a CLINTing at some point in the future.
both shops i've seen it in had it alongside Total Film and Sight & Sound.
So much for grabbing the lads mag market.
According to Bleeding Cool Millar is to launch a female version of CLiNT.
If I'd read that BEFORE CLiNT I'd'a called bullshit, but, he's got CLiNT together so I see no reason why this isn't possible. I'm stupidly excited for this - more so than CLiNT. No idea what they'd run in it - and I'm guessing they'll want all female creators (and lord knows there's a LOT of really great female comic creators out there). I hope they don't go pure manga (and suspect they won't) but I can't think of any big Marquee names that they'd use. Any thoughts?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/12/mark-millar-to-launch-version-of-clint-created-by-women/
"It will have a definite Twilight-style supernatural theme. That's the difference between male and female tastes: men are interested in superheroes while women look to the supernatural."
"Every man remembers a Superman costume from his childhood that didn't fit, while girls like horoscopes – though, obviously, that's a sweeping generalisation."
Sure, it's that simple huh? And obviously there isn't ANY crossover between male and female taste in comics??!!! This goes back to what i was saying before about how if I was a bloke I'd be insulted that the kind of articles in CLiNT are what Millar thinks men like...
I really really want to be excited about this, but the above quotes don't give me much hope! Let's hope he really does give the all female team editorial control...
Do you think female artists might be preferable to male artists on such a venture?
As I recall there were quite a lot of comics aimed at a female audience in the late seventies [Sindy etc] yet I think they were mostly drawn by men, 2000AD's Bellardini worked on girls comics I'm sure. Also all those comics aimed at teenage girls all seemed to dissapear to be replaced by more magazine-y type of publications.
I wish Mark Millar well if he's going to bring out another comic inspired magazine. :)
Ha! Ha!
It just gets more and more interesting!
Quote from: pauljholden on 12 September, 2010, 09:28:33 AM
According to Bleeding Cool Millar is to launch a female version of CLiNT.
If I'd read that BEFORE CLiNT I'd'a called bullshit, but, he's got CLiNT together so I see no reason why this isn't possible. I'm stupidly excited for this - more so than CLiNT. No idea what they'd run in it - and I'm guessing they'll want all female creators (and lord knows there's a LOT of really great female comic creators out there). I hope they don't go pure manga (and suspect they won't) but I can't think of any big Marquee names that they'd use. Any thoughts?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/12/mark-millar-to-launch-version-of-clint-created-by-women/
I have been pondering this since it was floated as a suggestion, although it now seems to be firming up as a possibility.
I'm not sure you'd need all female line-up but he'd be wise to speak to some of the folks at Sweatdrop Studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweatdrop_Studios) and The DFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_DFC) creators. The recent reboot of Girl Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Comics#Second_series_.282010.29) at Marvel had an excellent line-up of talent and top of your wish list would have to be Amanda Conner and Molly Crabapple.
You could also look at DC's Minx imprint for ideas and Mike Carey was very productive in this field (he is possibly the closest thing to Pat Mills Millar's generation has and Pat was massively influential on girls comics, I wouldn't rule out talking to Pat about it either):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minx_%28comics%29
You'll need some tabloid recognition and I quite like the idea of something by Jane Goldman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goldman) (which would be a shoe-in for having a film based on it). If you are going to be drawing up a wish list then you'd be foolish not to have Jordan pretty close to the top of the list and she is pretty used to having her written work ghosted for her so she wouldn't need to be that hands on. You could also throw in names like Victoria Beckham. Bag those and you are laughing.
You could also keep an eye on the comedienne front - I'd buy the magazine just for a comic by Jo Brand but they might want younger/edgier jokstresses then perhaps... Sarah Millican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Millican)?
The main problem I see is that most of the comics in CLiNT are reprints, which would keep the costs down but I'm not sure what there is out there that they could use. That said you could get a Jordan comic book out there pretty quickly, especially if this ideas isn't going live until next year sometime.
Quote from: Em-bot on 12 September, 2010, 10:17:14 AM
"It will have a definite Twilight-style supernatural theme. That's the difference between male and female tastes: men are interested in superheroes while women look to the supernatural."
"Every man remembers a Superman costume from his childhood that didn't fit, while girls like horoscopes – though, obviously, that's a sweeping generalisation."
Sure, it's that simple huh? And obviously there isn't ANY crossover between male and female taste in comics??!!! This goes back to what i was saying before about how if I was a bloke I'd be insulted that the kind of articles in CLiNT are what Millar thinks men like...
I really really want to be excited about this, but the above quotes don't give me much hope! Let's hope he really does give the all female team editorial control...
I find myself getting increasingly irritated by Mark Millar whenever he opens his gob. It's more annoying that he always seems to have the basis of a good idea and then ruins it by saying something idiotic.
I'm a bloke, but would be far more interested in a modern take on Misty comic than sweary superheroes pummeling each other's heads in, (not that there's anything wrong with that), and I think it's interesting that the story from Clint that's been getting the most praise from both genders is a story with vampires and a strong female character as one of the main protagonists.
Of course, "Twilight-style" suggests that instead of Misty-esque horror & creepiness, the comic would be filled with teenage girls falling in love with hundred year old emo killing machines, and if that were the case I'd avoid it like the plague.
A modern Misty, with a dollop of Twilight and True Blood sounds interesting. I'd buy that. Frankly, ANY new british comic that isnt aimed at 4 to 10 year olds suits me fine. Id rather spend my cash on homegrown titles than seek out my pseudo-thrills on import, if you see what i mean. Since im in my forties, aiming it at girlies and calling it 'lush vamps' probably wouldnt be enough to put me off as i dont care if newsagents think im gay/ a girl- id just like the opportunity to read lots of comics each month without having to make a trip to a comic shop, or pay for a trade.
As they say, the more the merrier!
Great news, anyway.
SBT
I got quite excited at this prospect I have to admit. Sure, Millar is coming across like a bit of a tit with the generalisations (as Simon Spurrier says on twitter, by Millars standards I am a girl) but lets be fair, he acknowledges that it's a generalisation and he is most likely just going for the soundbyte.
I'm a little put off by the 'all female' angle though. Not because I have anything against female creators as such but simply because I feel it's a bit daft to assume that only women can write for women, any more than only men can write for men. Women are involved in Clint and as we all know some of the great girls comics of the past had copious amounts of Wagner and his ilk. Again though, I reckon this is Millar the PR man talking. FOR GIRLS,BY GIRLS is a nifty gimmick but I'd guess it would go by the by after the first few issues.
Sometimes, when I read a Si Spurrier gem, I think of him as the prettiest girl in class.
Quote from: The Cosh on 11 September, 2010, 09:20:19 PM
...what interests me more than the current content is whether the whole plan is simply to rely primarily on reprinting US stuff. Or is this just a way of using work which is "in the bank" so to speak, requiring no capital outlay to produce until they've determined whether the reader base is sufficient to start paying to commision more original material.
From what I've read, I think he hopes to have original material next year. In the mean-time it's stuff that's already 'in the bank' as you put it.
And I agree that a comic series for girls is a good thing if it opens up more of them to the medium. (That being said, I'd prefer comics not to be gender specific. It would be great to just produce good stories that are interesting to everyone across the board. Since this is effectively about comics wrapped up as buy/lady magazines, though, this is probably the way to go.)
I also think that the creators should not be
too gender biassed according to the who the mag is aimed at. I do think bringing more women creators into comics as a whole is a good thing though, and if 'CLiNTETTE' is the avenue then fair enough. As long as a male with a good idea isn't disallowed (and vice versa for CLiNT).
Quote from: Emperor on 12 September, 2010, 01:50:38 PM
I'm not sure you'd need all female line-up but he'd be wise to speak to some of the folks at Sweatdrop Studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweatdrop_Studios) and The DFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_DFC) creators. The recent reboot of Girl Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Comics#Second_series_.282010.29) at Marvel had an excellent line-up of talent and top of your wish list would have to be Amanda Conner and Molly Crabapple.
I would have thought Selina Lock, editor of the British-Fantasy-Award-Nominated
Girly Comic should probably be on that list somewhere...
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 September, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: spaceghost on 08 September, 2010, 11:22:03 AM
His plan may backfire when all the people who don't read comics notice all the comics he's put in there.
If you've read any of the stuff I've linked previously, Millar's strategy is very succinctly: "[A] hybrid that gives them something they know with something they haven't tried before."
The celebs and the lad-mag features are essentially a trojan horse for the comics. If the comics won't convince people to buy more comics, I don't see how an article about comics is going to.
Cheers
Jim
It's still ultimately a comic that's
apologising for being a comic, Jim (thus far at least). Can lads-mag devotees be
forced to like comics through Trojan horse subterfuge? I doubt it. Found it all a bit wearying and cynical to be honest...
Quote from: fustar on 13 September, 2010, 02:08:34 PM
It's still ultimately a comic that's apologising for being a comic, Jim (thus far at least). Can lads-mag devotees be forced to like comics through Trojan horse subterfuge? I doubt it. Found it all a bit wearying and cynical to be honest...
It's a different approach. I can't fault Millar for trying, and if he succeeds the real winner is British comics. As I've said all along, I'm struggling to see the downside.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 13 September, 2010, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: fustar on 13 September, 2010, 02:08:34 PM
It's still ultimately a comic that's apologising for being a comic, Jim (thus far at least). Can lads-mag devotees be forced to like comics through Trojan horse subterfuge? I doubt it. Found it all a bit wearying and cynical to be honest...
It's a different approach. I can't fault Millar for trying, and if he succeeds the real winner is British comics. As I've said all along, I'm struggling to see the downside.
Cheers
Jim
It's a bold move, and a brash move, and that's laudable in a moribund industry I guess...but that doesn't mean I have to actually like it! It may eventually spur regrowth and have lots of positive knock-on effects for the industry, but the issue of its worth as a comic (its
aesthetic worth) is a different matter entirely. Too early to say anything definitive about that yet, of course, but early signs indicate a worrying willingness to pander to the worst in young male readers.
Quote from: fustar on 13 September, 2010, 02:08:34 PM
It's still ultimately a comic that's apologising for being a comic, Jim (thus far at least). Can lads-mag devotees be forced to like comics through Trojan horse subterfuge? I doubt it. Found it all a bit wearying and cynical to be honest...
The alternative is...a new monthly comic that doesn't sell as well as the Meg? That brings no-one new in? The real alternative is...he doesn't bother. So where does that leave us? Who gains from that?
I wouldn't say 'buy this to support it'. I like films but I wouldn't buy a DVD of something I didn't like merely to support the film industry. Simply, buy it if you like it. If enough do, it succeeds. A new chapter in the UK comic industry. If not, well at least he tried. If you don't like it, fair enough but having a go for trying is pretty petty.
At this juncture, a week or so in, id just like to ask if anyone knows of anyone, who isnt normally a comic reader, who has picked CLiNT up?
Im assuming that, if a non-comics person did, they may well tell their known comic-reading friend. I may be wrong in that assumption, of course.
For the record, ive not heard anyone in my social octagon mention it, except known squaxx.
SBT
I would say 'buy it to support it' if you can but I really REALLY don't like the art style or Kick-Ass. I just don't 'get' yank violent comics.
However I will be buying StripUK to support it aside from the fact I'm fairly sure I'll like its content 100 times more than Clint.
As for 'VVanker' (all men are)' it really sounds like PR more than anything - Clint would have to be a sterling success to consider launching another title so soon. But ya know, again, good luck to em if there is any truth to it.
Quote from: starscape on 13 September, 2010, 02:34:05 PM
Quote from: fustar on 13 September, 2010, 02:08:34 PM
It's still ultimately a comic that's apologising for being a comic, Jim (thus far at least). Can lads-mag devotees be forced to like comics through Trojan horse subterfuge? I doubt it. Found it all a bit wearying and cynical to be honest...
The alternative is...a new monthly comic that doesn't sell as well as the Meg? That brings no-one new in? The real alternative is...he doesn't bother. So where does that leave us? Who gains from that?
I wouldn't say 'buy this to support it'. I like films but I wouldn't buy a DVD of something I didn't like merely to support the film industry. Simply, buy it if you like it. If enough do, it succeeds. A new chapter in the UK comic industry. If not, well at least he tried. If you don't like it, fair enough but having a go for trying is pretty petty.
I'm not having a go at him for trying at all. I'm talking about the
content, not the laudable desire to have a go and take a chance. Two separate issues. Thumbs up for taking the risk (especially as it's creator-owned material, I think). Thumbs down (from me at least) for the lazy pandering to laddism. A septic force that
already holds sway over huge chunks of news-stand racks.
Seems the news of the lady's version of CLiNT is a way off yet, it was more a slow news day and the interviewer hyping one minor throw-away nugget:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/13/so-what-to-name-the-new-mark-millar-all-women-anthology/
Quote from: Jambino on 06 September, 2010, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 04 September, 2010, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Jambino on 03 September, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
Hey - I was there too. I think I was just behind you in the queue. I remember seeing your Strontium Dog t-shirt. I didn't have much to say to Ross & Millar. When I got to them they seemed more interesting in talking to each other than to talk to me. Haha. Managed to get a photo of them too. Pretty good meet! Not too busy either
Nice to know there was another 2000ad/Forum member in the queue! What did you think of the mag?
I hadn't read Nemesis or Turf beforehand, so I was getting more bang for my buck than those on here who had. I liked Nemesis & I had intended to pick up the graphic novel when it comes out, so I might as well stick with Clint instead.
I agree with those who said it could do with some more comic related articles as i didn't like the mix of lad's mag humour against comics. It was a bit jarring in places, especially as the strips weren't that humourous. I didn't like Frankie Boyle's story and it doesn't surprise me that this one wasn't published previously. I hope the next installment makes this one make more sense.
I will continue to buy it until Nemesis finishes and see how I feel then, but I'd give it a 7/10 as it hasn't lived up to the promise I was expecting.
What did you think?
Finally had a chance to sit down and plough through Clint, after playing catch-up with the Prog, three Spiderman Fever's and a couple of The Boys and so far I've quite enjoyed it. Kick Ass 2 was a bit light-weight and throw-away, but I found Turf excellent meaty stuff. True the articles were pretty juvenile but they certainly didn't offend me-and the Manson one actually interested me.
Nemesis and Rex Royd up next.
So far I'm enjoying it and it makes a nice companion to The Prog and The Meg-think I'll stick with it.
Fuck it, I think I might pick it up. I need a new comic to read. I'll continue to buy the Meg, though it hasn't really been doing it for me for a long time.
Quote from: staticgirl on 06 September, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
Well it made me angry.
I knew it wasn't going to be aimed at girls/women but then there aren't that many comics that are. However, comics like 2000AD don't make me feel degraded after reading it. I always assumed that teenage boys might be obsessed by tits and football but still have a brain. However, I might assume they don't from this. Kick Ass 2 seemed to have some heart and I liked the artwork. Turf I love anyway and I will continue buying that from Image because it is equal parts old-fashioned, lush and fun with excellent character development. I thought the artwork was excellent in each comic. Everything else was just nasty or underdeveloped like a 99p pizza (a shame in the Huw Edwards one because I think that does have promise - just a flat, rushed ending spoiled it). The general graphic design seemed a bit boring - copying the Zoo/Nuts style is fine but does it stand out from them enough for people to see it?
I applaud Millar's intentions to bring comics back into the mainstream in the UK but if that involves playing to the lowest common denominator then I feel it's not worth it. I'm tired of women getting a verbal and visual kicking and I'm tired of characters with very little to them except malice.
The above, by the way, is one of my favourite contributions to this whole thread. Some very valid points, very well made.
The update on bleeding cool may have got missed (I certainly didn't know about it...)
Anyhue, we may all cool down about the possibility of a Woman's version of CLiNT
via bleeding cool - Mark Millar updates to say:
UPDATE: Mark Millar has posted;
QuoteI did an interview with a paper last week and since they missed the Clint launch they went with a 30 second piece of the interview where I said if this was a hit I'd think about a girls comic down the line. I have a friend I'm spoken to informally about editing, but I'm at least a year away from even thinking seriously about this as between directing a film, producing five, my Marvel gigs, my Millarworld projects and editing Clint itself for at least the first year (as well as other stuff you don't know about) my plate is full.
I got about 20 submissions as soon as this story went live, but a bit naught of the journo to make this the story as was not what I was being interviewed about. Please don't send me any submissions and I already have a title, thank you, for when this happens. And it's not crude. Clint is aimed at a very particular market, my possible girls comic further down the line being aimed at the Twilight demographic, all features, etc, appropriate to this.
Quote from: Garageman on 12 September, 2010, 01:11:50 AM
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 12 September, 2010, 12:56:48 AM
I realise that I'm just repeating my own past comments (and those of others) but I can't quite get my head around why people are so against the comic based on the articles. We knew going in that we weren't the target audience for them and likely wouldn't take much away from them. They were designed (badly, but that's beside the point) to bring in non comic readers. We are already comic readers, lets judge it on the comics.
I think it's more the incongruence of the quality of the articles with the comics. The comics ain't too badly written but the rest of the mag is, why let it down? Make the articles less like a bad lads mag and get people who can actually write good humorous, piss-taking articles and clever, irreverent features. The articles just seem pointless if they're bad and lazy, it also kinda makes you wonder who the mag is really aimed at?
This is my thinking as well.
*
Why is it so difficult to do exactly that ?? instead of the substandard crap that are excuses for articles ??
This is why i admit to snobbery as a reason to not buy this publication based on what i have read.What i will say is am perfectly happy to buy and read irreverent and pisstaking/offensive/juvenile material etc if it is clever and well written.
Why is the standard of the articles so low ??
I really dont know but i find the fact that substandard material is tossed off into the magazine as if to say its good enough is a bit insulting but i will say again if its clever and well written and funny i will buy it and i dont mind at all if its offensive or politically incorrect.
I just get tired of mediocrity and wasted potential because despite my criticism of this title i really do feel it has great potential but Clint is expecting to get readers to buy it on the strength of its articles rather than the comics so therefore the articles need to be of a much higher standard than they are at present.You can do that without overtly pandering to Lad culture or even if it is lads culture it could be done a lot better than it is.Even the lowest common denominator of humor/Juvenile humor can be funny if its done right.So the only kind of snob i am is that i dont like material thats substandard rather than wanting material that is more intellectual or not wanting it at all.
Why make a sloppy job of something when it could be done well and further to that i could write funny/irreverent/offensive articles that are better than those in Clint which isnt very difficult.
I give Mark Millar 10/10 for having a go and 3/10 for the presentation and the articles.
Its a bit too previous to comment on the strips other than first impressions and to do so is like listening to one track on an Lp and deciding you dont like the whole thing which doesnt make any sense unless its LPs by bands/artists that i wont name which kind of negates the point i am trying to make.
QuoteClint is expecting to get readers to buy it on the strength of its articles rather than the comics
I'm not so sure that's the case. I'm sure the Lad's Mag style cover, etc is intended to bring in guys who wouldn't normally buy comics, but ultimately, judging by it's internal contents, it's more comic stuff than not. I think the hope is that readers will give that a go... then keep buying because of the comics rather than the articles.
Quote from: Mardroid on 13 September, 2010, 08:06:00 PM
QuoteClint is expecting to get readers to buy it on the strength of its articles rather than the comics
I'm not so sure that's the case. I'm sure the Lad's Mag style cover, etc is intended to bring in guys who wouldn't normally buy comics, but ultimately, judging by it's internal contents, it's more comic stuff than not. I think the hope is that readers will give that a go... then keep buying because of the comics rather than the articles.
Why not keep them buying because of the articles as well as the strips ?
The articles are there to carry the comics as thats the impression i have got from the comments here and the comments by Mark Millar and you say it yourself "to bring the guys in etc etc" so if thats the case then write clever irreverent funny articles and this way we can keep buying the magazine because of the articles as well as the strips.
I would rather have that than to suffer the articles and flick past substandard material just to get to the strips.You can do that if you like but the way i see it is the articles that are the means to an end and i think the hope is delusional if the articles are continually substandard when they could be excellent.
This is all i am saying and i dont see how anyone can fault this logic in any way.
Write good material in the articles and you will get twice as much bang for your buck which will compensate if you dont like every strip.
Simple really.
Am I the only one who hadn't a problem with CLiNT at all? I loved the comics, ESPCIALLY REX ROYD (which was admittedly confusing at first) while I was also humoured by the articels. Yes, those 'shitty' articles. I do not neglect the fact that they were extremely 'ladish', but that's the point... CLiNT is for lads right? I'm in college at the moment, and I know all my mates would be lured to bollox stories about murders, sleazy articles like 'hot moms' and for some strange reason the swearing and violence. It's perfect. Because we're imature guys. NOT unintelligent, just all latch on to 'male humour'.
None of my mates would read 2000AD, I guarantee it, but I can see the appeal with CLiNT. It's Genius.
Quote from: crohnsboiii on 13 September, 2010, 09:09:31 PM
Am I the only one who hadn't a problem with CLiNT at all? I loved the comics, ESPCIALLY REX ROYD (which was admittedly confusing at first) while I was also humoured by the articels. Yes, those 'shitty' articles. I do not neglect the fact that they were extremely 'ladish', but that's the point... CLiNT is for lads right? I'm in college at the moment, and I know all my mates would be lured to bollox stories about murders, sleazy articles like 'hot moms' and for some strange reason the swearing and violence. It's perfect. Because we're imature guys. NOT unintelligent, just all latch on to 'male humour'.
None of my mates would read 2000AD, I guarantee it, but I can see the appeal with CLiNT. It's Genius.
Hiya Mark!
Well, I really liked the strips but not the articles- can we not have more pictures of naked ladies sprawling on high performance car bonnets instead of that degrading nonsense? :D
The strips were worth the cover price alone so I'm happy to buy the Second CLiNTing.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 13 September, 2010, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 13 September, 2010, 08:06:00 PM
QuoteClint is expecting to get readers to buy it on the strength of its articles rather than the comics
I'm not so sure that's the case. I'm sure the Lad's Mag style cover, etc is intended to bring in guys who wouldn't normally buy comics, but ultimately, judging by it's internal contents, it's more comic stuff than not. I think the hope is that readers will give that a go... then keep buying because of the comics rather than the articles.
Why not keep them buying because of the articles as well as the strips ?
The articles are there to carry the comics as thats the impression i have got from the comments here and the comments by Mark Millar and you say it yourself "to bring the guys in etc etc" so if thats the case then write clever irreverent funny articles and this way we can keep buying the magazine because of the articles as well as the strips.
Oh, I don't disagree. I just don't agree that the article are intended to carry the mag, (the comic stuff outnumbers that) but I agree that doesn't mean they shouldn't be good.
In the end, it's an anthology though, and the strip articles are all part of that*. Some parts you like and dislike just as with 2000 AD (albeit it's all strips there). If the likeable stuff outweighs the dislikeable stuff then that's fair enough with me. Besides better stuff may come later as is the case with an anthology.
*Okay I guess 'anthology' really refers to just the stories, but it's all multiple parts is what I mean.
Apologies for the bad grammar and spelling. I was going to edit, but for some reason I was disallowed directly after posting.
When I got it in Tesco it was on the shelves between Gardeners World magazine and the football mags.
I bet loads of keen gardeners picked up a copy.
I was in Tesco today and it's either sold out or been taken from the shelves, as all the copies they had there are gone.
Finally got a copy and I liked it claims neo- maniac. Seriously I enjoyed it the only small flaw being Jonathan Rosses attempt to beat the world record for the number of words stuffed into a single word balloon. (Walt Simonsons manga-esque Warcraft stuff must be the champ). But I liked Turf alot, aliens, hoods, sickos/psychos. And the last two pager strip Huw Edwards presents was a gem.
Doubtless I'm outside the precious target demographic but I'll be buying issue two fer sure.
Thanks entirely to the generosity of Anfield's finest Squaxx Colin YNWA, I finally have a copy of Clint 1. On reading it, the whole enterprise feels worryingly like Eastman putting all his TMNT movie money into the black hole that was Tundra etc., but hopefully Millar is a little more worldly. At the same thing it reminds me a lot of the French (also Spanish or Italian) newsstand anthologies, and that's no bad thing. Frankly, I am pleasantly surprised by it.
First off, the cover is just as foul as it looked on the shelves, and pretty much all the features are dull and borderline offensive, but crucially the strips are actually good, and very plentiful. If this is the Playboy model, I'd have a diffcult time pretending I read it for the articles.
I enjoyed Rex Royd most. It felt more like a Future Shock than the Oddities thing did, but it was clever, funny and had at least one laugh-out-loud gag. The art was okay, but I felt the colouring made it difficult to follow in places. I could see this in 2000AD, with the art tightened up a bit, so it gets high marks from me. Most importantly, I'd like to see more.
Nemesis. Yes, it's Millar, yes, the dialogue was appalling, but it was OTT fun, and the art in places was really great and even a bit Darrowesque. I don't read a lot of superhero comics, so this seemed fresh -if silly - to me. It felt like it belonged in the Summer Offensive, so again, relatively good marks.
Turf. The meat in the sandwich. Holy crap, what did Edwards ever do to Ross that he hates him so! His lovely artwork covered - literally covered - by enormous reams of text. What an overly wordy mess - I know Ross is trying to create 'dense comics', and I approve, but the struggle for lebensraum here is actually irritating.
For fun, I tried to work out what captions you could cut and still get the story and backstory across. I reckon between a third and a half - the first third is made up of the same information being repeated by different characters, and should have been caught and cut by an editor. The balance is more subjective, and would involve Ross having more confidence in his audience, and trusting that the art conveys the story, and that he doesn't have to spell everything out to get us to understand. Presumably this is a beginner's trait, but it would have been nice to see an editor take him in hand - just imagine the Pat Mills rewrite!
Happily, it takes forever to read (a big plus in the value stakes), loads of interesting atmospheric stuff happens and what you can see of the art is gorgeous. There are some annoying anachronisms that undermine the period setting, but I'd definitely read more.
Kick Ass 2. I didn't have any strong feelings about Kick Ass the comic, having enjoyed the first couple of 'realistic' issues way more than the more fanstastic elements of the last few, although the twist was okay. This is more of the same, but not enough more, given the use of Kick Ass as the hook for this whole project.
Space Oddities. Fair enough. I'd read it before as part of the competition, but it's an okay tale. Better if they got rid of the Huw Edwards device.
That's a lot of solid comics for the money, better again if a nice boarder sent you a copy for free. I don't like the idea that so much of this is reprint, but presumably like most of the alleged market I've never seen any of it, so no foul. Sort out the cover, spend some money on some decent features of any sort (I have no idea what sort, but no tits please), and this is a good project. If I was in a position to buy more comics at the moment, I'd buy this.
Quote from: TordelBack on 15 September, 2010, 10:15:57 AM
For fun, I tried to work out what captions you could cut and still get the story and backstory across. I reckon between a third and a half - the first third is made up of the same information being repeated by different characters, and should have been caught and cut by an editor. The balance is more subjective, and would involve Ross having more confidence in his audience, and trusting that the art conveys the story, and that he doesn't have to spell everything out to get us to understand. Presumably this is a beginner's trait, but it would have been nice to see an editor take him in hand - just imagine the Pat Mills rewrite!
Before CLiNT came about I had a couple of people recommend Turf to me, and they both said that it gets a lot less wordy from issue 2. There was an interview with Mark Millar floating around too where he mentioned that Ross made a lot of mistakes with the script for the first issue (he mentions the over-wordiness) but that as soon as Ross saw the issue he learnt from the mistake and adapted his style really quickly. I noticed in the various interviews Millar doesn't say much about Rex Royd, maybe he's not that into it or something.
Asked the guy in Forbidden Planet if it was selling well, and he said sales had been disappointing. I guess it's aimed at sale more on newsagents and supermarket shelves though. (all the current back issues of 2000ad were sold out btw)
There were at least 10 copies in my branch of WHS and it was not placed in a position on the shelf where it would attract attention to itself as i had to really look hard to find it and in WHS thats never easy at the best of times.
Cover for issue #2 with the shocker that it isn't shying away from actually saying it is a comic and showing comics on the cover!!
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/22/simon-pegg-and-nick-frost-strike-a-pose-for-clint-2/
Plus: Midgets.
Also seems like another Millar reprint starts.
QuoteINSTRUCTIONS: BUY COMIC. READ COMIC
Thank you!
And if we have to have a couple of blokes on the cover I'd rather it be them two! (Why is that little purple wigged lass still at the front though? Is 'Hit Girl' the comic's mascot? Hee, hee.)
I'm not so sure about 'American Jesus'. Being brought up in a Christian family* I've a worry this'll be blasphemy for the shock, horror sake of it. On the other hand I've read positive reviews that it is actually quite thought provoking, so... we will see. If I get it. (I spent a bit too much this month.)
*I'm rather a backslider, but I still hold to much of the values and haven't given up on it totally and Jesus mockery makes me a bit uncomfortable.
I've read the first 2 issues of Nemesis and found it to be an atrocious piece of work, one of the laziest things ever written with some of the most blatant scene rip offs I can remember, they're easy to spot. The art is rather sloppy in places too; and why does Millar always end a comic with a splash page and someone saying a "cool" line? It's not even money for old rope. Lazy bastard.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 11:15:01 PMone of the laziest things ever written with some of the most blatant scene rip offs I can remember
Worse than Silo?
Cheers!
Jim
On a par I'd say though the art in Silo is better. What amazes me is that he's now producing successful comics purely on his own self promotion which is worrying.
I havent managed to get this yet, Im surprised, Titan distribution is usually pretty good round these parts, never mind ebay here I come!
David
Going to go against the grain here and confess I haven't bought CLINT. I hardly buy comics other than the prog and Meg – but one of the very few I have bought lately is Turf (before CLINT was announced) so therefore I already have a big chunk of CLINT. Kick Ass and Nemesis don't interest me – if they did I would've bought the US versions.
CLINT was never aimed at the likes of me as I am well outside of the target age group. I assume it is aimed at those (unlike me) that don't visit superhero comic shops. I wish it all the best though.
I've only read Turf issue 1 (haven't had time to read issue 2) and despite it being over written (Ross has said this himself interviews) I thoroughly enjoyed it. Fantastic artwork.
Quote from: Emperor on 22 September, 2010, 11:02:37 PM
Cover for issue #2 with the shocker that it isn't shying away from actually saying it is a comic and showing comics on the cover!!
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/22/simon-pegg-and-nick-frost-strike-a-pose-for-clint-2/
Nick Frost looks so different in that cover. I preferred when he looked like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAx2GHUUoSo&ob=av3n (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAx2GHUUoSo&ob=av3n)
(looks a lot like him though)
Quote*I'm rather a backslider, but I still hold to much of the values and haven't given up on it totally and Jesus mockery makes me a bit uncomfortable.
Never read this.
(http://thecarnivoreproject.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345295c269e20133f269d3be970b-200wi)
That covers a bit more jumpy off the shelves to me. The colours I assume?
Combination of colours (red is a danger signal, and immediately jumps forward, green is a much more relaxed colour and sits pleasantly in the background) and the poses, issue 1 everyone on the cover had a very defensive posture, waiting for you to come to them. Issue 2 all the figures exploding out of the cover from the centre - much more dynamic.
In general, I really like the graphic design on CLiNT - issue 2 tops issue 1 (which I thought was a decent cover with great graphic design)
Kudos to Simon Pegg for stealing Nigel Tufnels t-shirt :)
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 23 September, 2010, 08:12:28 AM
Never read this.
(http://thecarnivoreproject.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345295c269e20133f269d3be970b-200wi)
Noted. Your screen name is noted too. There's a heat-seeker headed your way creep!
([spoiler]Just kidding.[/spoiler])
Quote from: pauljholden on 23 September, 2010, 09:06:26 AM
Combination of colours (red is a danger signal, and immediately jumps forward, green is a much more relaxed colour and sits pleasantly in the background) and the poses, issue 1 everyone on the cover had a very defensive posture, waiting for you to come to them. Issue 2 all the figures exploding out of the cover from the centre - much more dynamic.
See just what I said "jumpy off the shelves"
Just reposting this from the other Clint thread: having received my copy of Clint 1 courtesy of the generous Colin YNWA, the very same item is now available free of charge (albeit 3rd hand and a bit dog-eared) to any squaxx that missed out. First come, only served, just PM me your address. I enjoyed it, and encourage doubters to give it a go. At least until Strip comes out.
I'll be bagging me an issue 2 as I greatly enjoyed issue 1.
Enjoyed all the strips and having just caught up with 'Nemesis' I found it big dumb fun with some excellent art.
So with American Jesus now running, what will make way for it? Is the Huw Edwards section is going to be cut? Or (fingers crossed) are some of the text articles?
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 September, 2010, 06:15:39 PM
Just reposting this from the other Clint thread: having received my copy of Clint 1 courtesy of the generous Colin YNWA, the very same item is now available free of charge (albeit 3rd hand and a bit dog-eared) to any squaxx that missed out. First come, only served, just PM me your address. I enjoyed it, and encourage doubters to give it a go. At least until Strip comes out.
I like the way you type Clint in lower case as it completely negates the wordplay when its in upper case as thats what i do now as well.
Its interesting that the title hasnt upset any of the retailers and there dont appear to have been any complaints about it or none that i know of and its funny that Asda sell it as they are part of Walmart and WalMart are owned by a family of like really heavy Christians. :lol:
The thing is though, it looks nowt like you know what on the cover anyway. Jut reads as clint, whichever way you squint.
The Free Clint offer is now closed.
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 September, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
The Free Clint offer is now closed.
Is Roger's Mum dead again?
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 23 September, 2010, 09:15:28 PM
The thing is though, it looks nowt like you know what on the cover anyway. Jut reads as clint, whichever way you squint.
It doesnt really but it would do if the typeface was plain block capitals and not leaning to the right because using the typeface here its much more apparent.
Its a naff looking typeface and design as well.
Issue 2 is out. Comic content is Kick Ass (2) Turf (2) Rex Royd (2) American Jesus (1) Nemesis (2) and The Duke of Edinburgh's Space Oddity.
Review;
http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.com/2010/09/in-review-clint-2-real-life-superheroes.html
Number crunching:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/23/clint-2-numbercrunching-exclusive/
I was planning on getting this. [spoiler]I'm not so sure after the spoiler I read about Rex Royd though... I accept not every strip will necessarily be my cup of tea- it wasn't last week- that's just part of being an anthology. What is described though is just outright gratuitous and blasphemous just for the sake of it.[/spoiler]
On the other hand maybe one stupid strip shouldn't negate the others, and I'd like to know how those will turn out. Even discounting that strip the page count looks like a bargain.
Well everyone has something to look forward to in the next CLiNT, Nemesis #3 is done and out and has a scene that will become almost as legendary as the haunted vagina. It contains spoilers (although what it spoils is another matter - the story, your milk, your dinner, your enjoyment of the rest of a nice day?):
http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2406534.html
Buttttttttt it has everyone talking about it now doesn't it? Curse you Mark Millar you win again!! ::)
Jaysus, how desperate can millar get for cheap and ineffective shocks.
You know that thing I said four pages ago about him having a good idea and then ruining it by saying something idiotic?
Well change the word "saying" to "writing".
Only comics fans could find that "shocking". I think Jeremy Kyle, and his regular tv audience, would dissagree. As for the "collapsible womb" thing- well, it's a comic! They're not real. It's reasonable jeapody.
Nemesis was, in retrospect, probably the best thing about Clint #1, and I'm looking forward to #2. That's just guaranteed me being around for #3 as well.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 26 September, 2010, 09:42:39 AM
Only comics fans could find that "shocking". I think Jeremy Kyle, and his regular tv audience, would dissagree. As for the "collapsible womb" thing- well, it's a comic! They're not real. It's reasonable jeapody.
I don't think comic fans raised on Tarantino flicks et al are that naive. I don't see anything in this other than someone groping for a shock that just comes off as rather blunt and stupid. Much like the aforementioned "haunted vagina". Real world or not, bad writing just comes off as well, bad writing and makes it seem like there
is no reason in the world Millar has created and less believable.
I'm a little confused. Talk on this thread seems to indicate that #2 is out but I was in Smiths yesterday looking for it and #1 was still on the shelf. A quick look at the 'next issue' page confirms #2 isn't due until later this week.
Have some places got it early?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 26 September, 2010, 09:42:39 AM
Only comics fans could find that "shocking". I think Jeremy Kyle, and his regular tv audience, would dissagree.
I'm sure there are people who
aren't comic fans who'd be
more shocked by it, but I don't think anyone's shocked as much as they are disappointed.
I was considering keeping buying Clint for the stories, which I thought were all fine, (except for RR), but this has just completely put me off, not because it's shocking but because it comes across as someone desperately
trying to be and it's kind of pathetic and yes, badly written.
It's like a five year old shouting "BUMHOLES!" in a public place in an attempt to get attention, except that would be funny, and this isn't.
...and the most shocking thing about Jeremy Kyle is how he managed to get to be presenter of a programme like that when the hypocritical, egotistical, shouty git is every bit as bad as some of the scum he has on there.
Maybe it's me that's the problem, but I'm genuinely not sure what it is that I'm supposed to find shocking about that Nemesis clip.
Quote from: The Cosh on 26 September, 2010, 02:02:27 PM
Maybe it's me that's the problem, but I'm genuinely not sure what it is that I'm supposed to find shocking about that Nemesis clip.
That Millar actually thinks it's shocking and no one else does.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 26 September, 2010, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 26 September, 2010, 09:42:39 AM
Only comics fans could find that "shocking". I think Jeremy Kyle, and his regular tv audience, would dissagree.
I'm sure there are people who aren't comic fans who'd be more shocked by it, but I don't think anyone's shocked as much as they are disappointed.
I'm not shocked, I'm amused (although whether I'm laughing at it or with it, is a different question - its the former though ;) ).
He's not doing it to shock. He's doing it because he can! :o
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 26 September, 2010, 01:53:53 PM
I'm a little confused. Talk on this thread seems to indicate that #2 is out but I was in Smiths yesterday looking for it and #1 was still on the shelf. A quick look at the 'next issue' page confirms #2 isn't due until later this week.
I had a look for it today as well and found the same thing as you. Since we're still in the month I think it's a case of some places getting it earlier than others. I'll have another look next week though.
And that thing in Nemesis 3... I was actually feeling a bit guilty that I was more amused than shocked. Made me wonder if I'm becoming rather hard hearted and cold. (I doubt it though, other things can push my buttons.) I mean, if that were for real of course it would be nasty (not that it could be) but in context... he's a supervillain who does very nasty things. All part of the psychological warfare, etc, etc, hence the name 'NEMESIS'.
I found that excerpt from Rex Royd more offensive actually, although I shouldn't as it's mainly just very stupid.
Quote from: Mardroid on 26 September, 2010, 04:22:20 PMAnd that thing in Nemesis 3... I was actually feeling a bit guilty that I was more amused than shocked. Made me wonder if I'm becoming rather hard hearted and cold. (I doubt it though, other things can push my buttons.)
I think you are more amused than shocked because it is a bit silly. Just you wait though - in Nemesis #4 it turns out the baby has canceraids. ;)
I don't think it's shocking, mainly because the whole story is so over-the-top anyway, and I don't know if Mark Millar is really trying to be shocking. From what I've read of his stuff in recent times, he just seems to be having fun writing overblown stories that get more and more crazy as they go along. I think you'd have to be pretty daft to be shocked by any of that stuff.I've enjoyed Nemesis so far, and thought it was the highpoint of Clint #1.
Wait just a goddamn minute, it's a comic strip about a guy named NEMISIS going up against a religous officer of Law and Order?
Quote from: chris_askham on 26 September, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
I don't think it's shocking, mainly because the whole story is so over-the-top anyway, and I don't know if Mark Millar is really trying to be shocking.
Well, like the article says...
QuoteTo get an idea of what Millar's going for here, the original issue was going to end with (and I'm not joking) Nemesis decapitating Barack Obama and holding up his severed head.
That says media-baiting shock tactics to me.
Tch.
I think that's just a bit silly really. It actually made me laugh.
Quote from: chris_askham on 26 September, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
I don't think it's shocking, mainly because the whole story is so over-the-top anyway, and I don't know if Mark Millar is really trying to be shocking. From what I've read of his stuff in recent times, he just seems to be having fun writing overblown stories that get more and more crazy as they go along. I think you'd have to be pretty daft to be shocked by any of that stuff.I've enjoyed Nemesis so far, and thought it was the highpoint of Clint #1.
...but they're not really crazy at all, just random shite thrown together. Nemesis the Warlock is still far crazier than anything Millar has ever done. Millar's a very pedestrian writer.
Quote from: Garageman on 26 September, 2010, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: chris_askham on 26 September, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
I don't think it's shocking, mainly because the whole story is so over-the-top anyway, and I don't know if Mark Millar is really trying to be shocking. From what I've read of his stuff in recent times, he just seems to be having fun writing overblown stories that get more and more crazy as they go along. I think you'd have to be pretty daft to be shocked by any of that stuff.I've enjoyed Nemesis so far, and thought it was the highpoint of Clint #1.
...but they're not really crazy at all, just random shite thrown together. Nemesis the Warlock is still far crazier than anything Millar has ever done. Millar's a very pedestrian writer.
Well, I'm only going by what I've read so far, which admittedly isn't much. I absolutely hated everything he did for 2000ad (much like the rest of the world), and it took me up until this year to actually give him another chance. Read Civil War and quite enjoyed it, read the stuff in Clint and quite enjoyed that too.
No, he's not writing masterpieces, but they seem like pretty entertaining yarns to me.
Quote from: Garageman on 26 September, 2010, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: chris_askham on 26 September, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
I don't think it's shocking, mainly because the whole story is so over-the-top anyway, and I don't know if Mark Millar is really trying to be shocking. From what I've read of his stuff in recent times, he just seems to be having fun writing overblown stories that get more and more crazy as they go along. I think you'd have to be pretty daft to be shocked by any of that stuff.I've enjoyed Nemesis so far, and thought it was the highpoint of Clint #1.
...but they're not really crazy at all, just random shite thrown together. Nemesis the Warlock is still far crazier than anything Millar has ever done. Millar's a very pedestrian writer.
I agree, I think I always gave Millar the benefit of the doubt years ago on his Robo Hunter work, But this type of nonsense just doesn't cut it for me. Writing for the lowest common denominator (but that's what seems to sell nowadays I suppose). Not fit to breath the same air as Mills or Wagner IMHO.
Just want to make it clear I probably wouldn't have had any problem with Obama's head getting chopped off in the name of entertainment. It's the [spoiler]incestual gay rape baby inside a booby-trapped collapsing womb[/spoiler] that I have a problem with.
...and... I've just read that spoiler for Rex Royd episode 2. I can see a rather disturbing theme developing here...
Read issue two this morning and I think it is a lot better than issue one. Nemesis, Kick Ass and Turf were all pretty enjoyable. I still don't have a clue what is going on with Rex Royd though. It could easily be dropped for me as it doesn't add anything to the comic. American Jesus was ok and I'm looking forward to part two. The articles were rubbish though.
Picked up #2 today. Not had chance to read any of the comics yet but did scan thefeatures on the bus and read the Charlie Brooker interview, which was a proper interview with reasonably intelligent questions. The Pegg/Frost article seems like a proper feature as well, with no particular 'laddish' agenda.
And the pothead thing is gone.
All in all, I'd say those for whom the features were the big sticking point would do well to give it a second look because this sems to be a big improvement.
Yeah the articles were a lot more enjoyable this time round, with to my memory only a couple of pages of attempted comedy (the mock-up film posters and halloween costume) letting it down.
Strips were great too, although Rex Royd is still an unintelligible mess. I noticed in the "Next Month" section the entry for Rex Royd says "Your guess is as good as ours!" which I'd like to think means even the people publishing it don't bloody understand it. The sooner its out and makes room for other stuff the better. Enjoyed issue 1, enjoyed issue 2 even more, will definitely be buying 3.
Agreed. I did the same, as i usually do with the Meg to be honest, and read the features first. Not because i prefer them, but i have to create the mood for comics, which will happen later.
Doesnt look too bad at all.
SBT
Sounds promising, must have a look in Easons on the way home and see if they have it.
LMAO @ "your guess is as good as ours!"
Having now read it, i can say that it's 100% better than the last one- and i quite liked that, to be honest.
The weakest elements are the 'future shock' thing, which is nicely drawn, but hails from a time when it was clever, supposedly, to show how grown up comics could be by sticking something 'naughty' at the end, and Kick Ass 2. There just isnt enough of the strip to give it any impact, and so it reads like a relic from a seventies british marvel weekly.
Turf is great- Ross stops the massive type-diarrhea and merely has the loose word-stools this time. Much more readable, and i genuinely want to see what happens next. It cuts off mid-episode though, it seems, at a handy not very cliffhanging bit.
American Jesus is quite nice- Stephen King's The Body/ Stand By Me segues into a typical Vertigoey cod-religious story, which could be fun.
Frankie Boyle's thing is very weird. The pictures dont match the words on first reading, and im not sure they would after the tenth, to be honest. It's either very clever or very bad- but this month im inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt.
The best thing in the mag is Nemesis, which is just a strip im going to love and end up buying in hardback, i can tell. Elegantly drawn with deceptively simple panels- much like Frank Quitely- im already looking forward to next month.
Reasonably good features this time too. Even the 'sexy chavs' page made me smile.
Worth four of anyone's pounds.
SBT
Yeah found this in Easons at the train station and had a read on the way home. Big improvement on Issue 1, the only real problems I have with it are the ones SBT just mentioned - strips being cut too short at not very suitable places and a big TO BE CONTINUED being slapped on to them. It really does remind me of the old 70s/80s UK Marvel mags, which would take a 22 page monthly issue and reprint it weekly in 6-7 page installments. Really hated that.
Its not TOO bad here but I dont see why they ran 14 pages of part 2 of Turf and then cut it off...does that mean there will only be 8 pages of it in next months mag, or will they finish off part 2 and go into the first few pages of part 3? It's most annoying on Kick Ass 2 though. I think somebody here had a theory it was because not much of this has been released in the States even yet and so they have to pace it a bit... This may well be but its not doing the story any favours.
Nemesis - I like it, so I'm kind of bummed about what I know is coming up, which I DONT like...but oh well.
American Jesus seems interesting.
But I don't like Rex Royd at all though, sorry Frankie!
I would now say that this is a pretty good magazine, overall.
Thought I'd give it another go and bought issue 2 earlier.
Not read all of it yet but here's my opinions on what I've looked at so far...
Deeply Questionable : This is indeed deeply questionable, but also pointless, crap and not even remotely interesting or amusing. Yes, I know Jimmy Carr compiled the questions, but even so...
Frost & Pegg interview : S'alright.
Rex Royd : Makes no sense, has stuff happening that only seems to be there to annoy religious-types and other stuff happening that involves Doctor Doom & Reed Richards. I can understand bits of what's going on, but what those bits have to do with the other bits and why it's all happening in the first place, I cannot say.
Charlie Brooker interview : S'alright. Oink! is mentioned. Now that was a proper comic.
American Jesus : Bit too early to say. Think this might cover some of the same ground as that R.T.D thing with Christopher Ecclestone in that was on telly before they did that sci-fi thing about a bloke in a flying box.
FLiCKER : I really like this. Wouldn't have looked out of place in that aforementioned proper comic Brooker did stuff for as a teenager.
Diary of a Hit Girl (Chloe Moretz) : Um... Well it's certainly more relevant and a vast improvement on last month's diary, but it doesn't exactly fit in with most of the rest of the issue, does it? It's all nice and stuff.
Nice to grab hold of issue two, although my local WH SMiths buries it in the lads ,ag section where it doesn't stand out AT ALL. Next to the Meg would be the ideal place to be honest, but I expect Millar's lot have stated that's where it belongs.
Kick Ass 2 - Still good, but still suffering from being too short. I look forward to being able to read a full issue ir three at some point in the future.
Turf - Still very good, although a shame it's now going to be cut up.
American Jesus - Promising, but hasn't got the chance to get a head of steam up as it's been - you guessed it - cut in half.
Nemesis - Finally, a full issue and thank fuck for that. A great story, spotless art and lots of fun.
Rex Royd - Is there any point to this? Messy art, messier storytelling. I don't care who writes it, it's shit.
Space Oddities - a good little story, made me laugh at least.
Articles - a great improvement on last issues bucket of stale piss. 2 decent interviews, good articles on movis stunts and "real" superheroes (although the latter could have been much bigger) and some actually amusing daft stuff at the back. Chloe Moretz'z diary was rather out of place, but still more readable than the pot head nonsense last issue.
All in all a good issue, spoiled only by the need to cut Turf and wedge in ANOTHER of Millar's own strips.
just grabbed the second issue today...gonna give it a read when I get home from work
Got to read the second one today after finding it placed among all the Zoo and Front magazines in Tesco.
Pretty much felt the same way as emmceehamster does about it.
Kick Ass is okay, could do with longer instalments.
Turf has settled down a bit. Less word balloons, more cohesion. Wasn't the chore to read through like last month's was.
American Jesus has a HUGE "Stand By Me" vibe going on, at least at the start it does.
Nemesis is enjoyable stuff. Not the most complicated of scripts, but fun and well drawn.
Rex Royd, I couldn't tell you who the main character is or why I should care.
The Space Oddity was the one Millar picked first over on his forum. A bit silly, but nice art and pretty much picked for the target demographic.
Picked up Clint #2 - thought it was miles better than the first - even the small things, like creator credits at the start of the story (rather than just the index page).
The features were much better, more fully rounded.
Did find a couple of things baffling:
Rex Royd. I have no idea what's going on, suspect a lot of this is the art which really makes a complicated comic strip even harder to read.
And the while I'm glad the feature about the diary if a druggie is gone, i'm not really sure Diary of Hit Girl is much better. If it was diary of Hit Girl - written in character by Mark Millar, MAYBE, maybe I could see it being funny/interesting/relevant. But the actual diary of 12year girl? (albiet a famous one) just seems weirdly inappropriate...
Anyways,
I have a feeling it was only there as a cunning way to disguise a plug for 'Let Me In' and will be gone next month.
If I'm right, I hope druggy thing is't back. I could stand to see this be a regular feature/plug with different people each month, so long as they are relevant to the comic. Maybe Millar if he's launching a new book, Ross or other celeb contributors if they've got a show starting, Kick-Ass cast members with new movies coming out or whatever.
I just really don't wanna see druggy back, becasue I got the impression from the first issue that it was gonna be a regular feature.
Anyway, I've now read all the comics and I can say that I was mightily impressed. Yes, it was a shame that Kick-Ass only got a few pages again and that Turf was cut down to make way for American Jesus, but I reckon it makes sense to have a part one of something in #2. That way anyone coming to the comic on word of mouth have something to jump on to.
I'd imagine that the various stories will take turns at being cut/having a full issue, to avoid catching up to the individual releases? I don't really know how much of Turf or American Jesus has been released but isn't Nemesis still on like #3 or something? As long as they manage to stick to relatively 'cliffhangery' moments it shouldn't hurt the stories too badly.
Quote from: pauljholden on 02 October, 2010, 09:42:05 PM
But the actual diary of 12year girl? (albiet a famous one) just seems weirdly inappropriate...
It's not the diary of a 12 year old girl. Good lord, that would be
totally wrong!
It's the diary of a
13 year old girl.
Okay, bought it yesterday and finished reading it today.
Kick-ass: We get small nuggets but I'm enjoying them. I like this style of artwork too, albeit it looked wrong for Dredd.
Turf: I'm enjoying this but I'm a bit puzzled how this started. [spoiler]Basically it feels like the story has suddenly jumped. Last we heard the vampire guy had attempted a hit on the gangster by mesmerising the barber. Obviously the gangster wants revenge so... this episode the vampire is tied up in a chair having bits cut off. So, how did they manage that? Pop around the house and grab him from his coffin? Or did they just turn up early at the meeting place and somehow overpower him/or he allowed them to take him? (I'd suspect the latter as these vampires seem to be the uber-powerful kind like in Dracula rather than the 'bit strong' kind you get from Buffy.)
With 'hour earlier' bit I thought this information might be filled in, but that followed different characters.[/spoiler]
It was okay though, but I think at least a sentence should have been included to fill us in. As for the way it ended, while I would have preferred a full issue, I didn't think it ended poorly. [spoiler]The reporter lady is found by one of the vampires.[/spoiler] Seems a suitable cliff-hanger to me.
Rex Royd: After the review I read last week I boycotted this. I can suffer some very dark stuff, but that's going too far (although it's almost too idiotic to be taken seriously I suppose.)
American Jesus: I have some reservations about this, but the start was interesting if a little bit predictable. From a review I read a while back I think this might actually be a thought provoking 'what if' tale than something intentionally blasphemous. We'll see how it goes. ([spoiler]He shouldn't be using language like that though if the suggestion turns out to be true. Heh.[/spoiler])
Nemesis: He's a nasty piece of work isn't he? An interesting enough continuation although [spoiler]I thought the pentagon massacre was achieved to easily.[/spoiler] On the other hand he is supposed to be a criminal genius. I wondered how he got on the nose of that plane last week but from the scene in his HQ it looks like he has his own jet. Okay....
It was all right.
Emergency Pit Stop: Amusing silly stuff. I read it before on-line but it's nice to see in print.
Quote from: Mardroid on 05 October, 2010, 01:53:25 PM
Turf: I'm enjoying this but I'm a bit puzzled how this started. [spoiler]Basically it feels like the story has suddenly jumped. Last we heard the vampire guy had attempted a hit on the gangster by mesmerising the barber. Obviously the gangster wants revenge so... this episode the vampire is tied up in a chair having bit cut off. So, how did they manage that? Pop around the house and grab him from his coffin? Or did they just turn up early at the meeting place and somehow overpower him/or he allowed them to take him? (I'd suspect the latter as these vampires seem to be the uber-powerful kind like in Dracula rather than the 'bit strong' kind you get from Buffy.)
O'Leary (the corrupt police detective) told them in the last part that he had captured a member of the
Dragonmir Clan and was giving him to that gangster's posse.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 05 October, 2010, 01:57:09 PM
O'Leary (the corrupt police detective) told them in the last part that he had captured a member of the Dragonmir Clan and was giving him to that gangster's posse.
Thanks! I actually had a quick peek at last month's and still managed to miss that bit.
[spoiler]I do remember the vampire outside the window listening in on the conversation though..[/spoiler] okay that makes more sense now.
More or less on-topic!
I was watching the original Mr Men shows narrated by good old Arthur Lowe, and spotted this in the end credits. I haven't been so retro-suprised since re-seeing bare-breasted mermaids in Bagpuss.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/misc/MrHappy.jpg)
Quote from: Mardroid on 05 October, 2010, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 05 October, 2010, 01:57:09 PM
O'Leary (the corrupt police detective) told them in the last part that he had captured a member of the Dragonmir Clan and was giving him to that gangster's posse.
Thanks! I actually had a quick peek at last month's and still managed to miss that bit.
[spoiler]I do remember the vampire outside the window listening in on the conversation though..[/spoiler] okay that makes more sense now.
You're welcome!!! :)
gonna give it another go due to being off work and bored.
Got mine at the weekend. Read it and enjoyed it. As others have said- the articles weren't as utter shite as last time, but they still do nothing for me. It doesn't matter a jot, though- on strip alone this is still a good buy.
I still don't have a clue what Rex Royd is all about. The art seems a bit inconsistent and unsure of itself. I found the [spoiler]'God-rapes-Eve and gets lynched and skewered by a baying mob'[/spoiler] bit rather humorous, but I don't believe in God so I don't find it offensive at all- no more so than [spoiler]'Santa/ the Easter Bunny-rapes-Eve and gets lynched and skewered by a baying mob'[/spoiler]. No one has ever died of offence; but religion has killed, maimed, discriminated against and made pitiful the lives of countless thousands over the years... so fuck 'em.
But still, I'd like to know what the fuck is going on in the story!
I'm liking Nemesis a lot too. American Jesus looks OK too- the colour is a bit insipid for my taste, but that's hardly a major concern. I nearly bought the GN of this a wee while back, but bought a couple of Jonah Hex ones instead as they were on special offer and I got 2 for much the same price, so that was a fortuitous decision.
Picked it up. It looks better than the first issue, feels more cohesive.
I want it to do well -- it's important that it does well. But I can't bring myself to like it. Last issue for me, but I hope it's going down a storm with the audience at which it's targeted.
Cheers
Jim
(Christ, I'm getting old.)
Seems it is getting distributed by Diamond in the US this week but something went wrong with the shipping and everyone who ordered a number are only being sent 3:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/10/05/a-comic-show-by-aaron-and-mike-a-look-through-tomorrow-comics/
Should be fixed next week and obviously US sales will give it a big boost too.
definitely better than the first ,though the comics strips apart from kick ass dont actually grab me ...and will somebody rid me of this troublesome jimmy carr?
the whole diary of hit girl thing especially as she invites people to join her on twitter seems a bit creepy to me with the fact the magazine is aimed at older teens/twenty somethings ....dunno, just feels wrong in a japanese/schoolgirl fetishy sort of way like that teenager "becky" something or other who became a massive hit on you tube to...yep lots of middle aged men.... :-\
I got the first issue, and from what I've heard about the second, I doubt I'll bother. I strikes me as a vanity project for Millar and his celebrity mates. No offense to Wossy and Frankie Boyle, but if I had sent those scripts to a comic editor, I'd probably have to go through a few more rewrites before it got published.
Some reviews:
#1 from the Mindless Ones 9not sure about 2000ad = dadrock though):
http://mindlessones.com/2010/09/06/to-do-a-kick-ass-2-review/
#1 at CBR:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=2629
#1 from Chris Sims at Comics Alliance:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/09/02/mark-millar-clint-magazine-review/
#1 at Comic Vine:
http://www.comicvine.com/review-mark-millars-clint-1/112-1145/
#1 at Bleeding Cool:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/08/28/review-clint-magazine-1-by-danny-graydon/
#1 at Den of Geek:
http://www.denofgeek.com/comics/597088/clint_issue_1_review.html
#1 at Think Hero:
http://www.thinkhero.com/2010/09/05/clint-magazine-issue-1-review/
#1 at Comic Book Bin:
http://www.comicbookbin.com/clint001.html
#1 at SciFi Mafia:
http://scifimafia.com/2010/09/review-clint-magazine-1/
#1 and #2 at Comics Bulletin:
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/12832829138104.htm
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/128589876843802.htm
#1 and #2 at Down the Tubes:
http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.com/2010/08/in-review-clint-issue-1-does-it-kick.html
http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.com/2010/09/in-review-clint-2-real-life-superheroes.html
#2 at Weekly Crisis:
http://www.weeklycrisis.com/2010/09/clint-2-review.html
Things that stand out: No one has admitted the magazine (and specifically its articles) are aimed at them ;) and Titan have been doing a fantastic job posting out review copies (they must have sent out hundreds as a lot of reviews start off expressing surprise at being sent a copy).
Saw the cover of #3 posted somewhere, seems to be a Tarantino interview in there which is nice and fits the ultra-hip vibe they're going for.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 25 October, 2010, 08:14:02 PM
Saw the cover of #3 posted somewhere
Here it is:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/10/21/quentin-tarantino-cover-interview-for-clint-3/
I'm still looking for the second bloody issue - can't find it anywhere.
My local co-op still has issue one on the shelves.
My local whs (the only place hereabouts that sells it) had a stack of #2 on the day it came out. I bought it, then noticed that the very next day they had all gone. They havent restocked.
This is weird, because they had about twenty- certainly too many for it to have realistically sold out the first day- and if it did, they'd surely have gotbsome more in. My first thought was that they've taken it off the shelves.
Will see Thursday if #3 turns up.
SBT
I've now placed a standing order at my independent newsagents (I may have already mentioned this, I can't remember) but that's more to do with my preference of giving them my money than Smiths rather than any difficulty in getting it elsewhere. My local Smiths always has a stack, although some sort of anti-streetteam faction has taken to putting a copy of Empire in front of it. I'm engaged in a war of perseverance with them. There are also a couple of Supermarkets with a good supply as well.
well as much as I'd like to give this a go there is no sign of it in Oz news agents, if I've got to get from comic shop its pointless to me as nearest is over 650km away. One of the best things abouut the prog and meg is how easy they are for me to get in my outback town.
Sorry Miler no $ from me unless you sort out OZ distributoin.
CU Radbacker
Haven't seen it in any of the comic shops around Melbourne, so I'm not sure if it's even available in Oz.
Nice looking cover on issue 3 there. Guess I'll be picking this up again!
Quote from: Emperor on 18 October, 2010, 04:12:16 AM
Some reviews:
#1 from the Mindless Ones 9not sure about 2000ad = dadrock though):
http://mindlessones.com/2010/09/06/to-do-a-kick-ass-2-review/
Yeah, what's with the digs at 2000AD in that review? Completely unnecessary as far as I can see. It was actually good read up to that point, but that just left a bad taste in the mouth.
QuoteYeah, what's with the digs at 2000AD in that review? Completely unnecessary as far as I can see. It was actually good read up to that point, but that just left a bad taste in the mouth.
Yeah, that irked me a bit too, especially as the same review praised
Nemesis (mildly diverting but dumb, shallow and juvenile in the extreme), and
Rex Royd (poorly drawn, incoherent nonsense).
Yeah, 2000ad is so uncool and old hat - all that 'quality artwork', 'presenting coherent stories', 'not short changing the reader with wildly decompressed storytelling' and 'not nicking set-pieces and story elements from blockbuster movies' is
so last century! Move over, grandad!
Bought issue three today. Read Rex Royd. I will not be buying issue four.
Why? It was the first truly coherent installment of Rex Royd.
I get what Frankie Boyle's trying to do, and his work is improving, I just wish Millar had the balls to edit the guy.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 28 October, 2010, 08:56:02 PM
Bought issue three today. Read Rex Royd. I will not be buying issue four.
I'm, surprised it wasn't the boobytrapped womb that did it for you. ;)
I got issue 3 today. Read half of it so far. Kick Ass is sloooowly getting somewhere, they're really drip feeding it in to ensure it stays in the comic for as long as possible. Rex Royd was almost good this month, it just lost me on the last few panels. Not a clue what happened at the end. And the articles are definitely much, much better. The decompressed story telling is getting a bit annoying though. 2 splash pages in Kick Ass, one of them over 2 pages! When you only get 5 or 6 pages of a story, it seems like a piss take to take up whole pages that way. That said, it's still a meaty read and I'm enjoying it.
Quote from: ozebane on 28 October, 2010, 09:21:56 PMI get what Frankie Boyle's trying to do, and his work is improving, I just wish Millar had the balls to edit the guy.
What I don't get is that there is a "Jim Muir" listed as co-author - even if there isn't much going on editorially you'd think the other writer might pipe up with a "I'm sorry this doesn't make any sense", especially with the first part which was almost incoherent and doesn't improve with a re-read after checking out the second part, which at least made a bit more sense.
Quote from: ozebane on 28 October, 2010, 09:21:56 PM
Why? It was the first truly coherent installment of Rex Royd.
Yes, it
was the first episode that actually made sense but the character of Dirk Denby/Proteoman is obviously based on Clark Kent/Superman, and not just any Superman but Superman as played by
Christopher Reeve. Even
looks like him.
Understand why I don't like it now?
Quote from: Emperor on 28 October, 2010, 09:32:48 PM
I'm, surprised it wasn't the boobytrapped womb that did it for you. ;)
It didn't help.
I really enjoyed it again.
Rex Royd is absolutely mental. I'm starting to like it. It seems only tenuously linked from one episode to the next so far- almost like the characters in old comics who had different adventures every week, rather than one continuous, finite tale. That's how I'm starting to read it, anyway. This time round was almost like two different 'adventures'. And oh how I laughed at them.
Articles are better again and I'm enjoying Nemesis and Turf a lot too. Like everyone else- I'm finding I want to see more of Kick Ass 2 in each issue.
I'm in for #4.
Nemesis episode 3 is the dumbest comic I have ever read. It literally reads like it was written by a 13 year old boy, and kind of makes me feel a little embaressed that I read comics.
"Booby trapped the womb" should replace "jumped the shark".
Just read it this morning, actually chose to read it over the prog this morning, but that's more because I'm saving my prog for my sunday hangover read!
Again I really enjoyed it, Turf is still the highlight for me and is getting better all the time. Kick-Ass is short but sweet, and I have to say that when I've been re-reading Rex Royd I'm now almost enjoying it. Its still a story-telling shambles but something about its scrambled nature is starting to appeal to me in a weird way.
American Jesus is intriguing, not sure where its going to go with its concept and I'm still liking Nemesis, although people seem to be going off it. It might be because the whole [spoiler]booby trapped womb[/spoiler] thing was being spoilered on here almost a month before the comic came out (cheers!) but it didn't hit me as the massive moronic bombshell it seems to have been for other people. Didn't strike me as the best idea ever either, but I'd certainly been softened up for it.
Text stuff was again an improvement, the Matt Berry and Tarantino articles were genuinely enjoyable and a good fit.
Quote from: Gavin_Leahy on 26 October, 2010, 11:06:22 AM
Haven't seen it in any of the comic shops around Melbourne, so I'm not sure if it's even available in Oz.
Possibly Diamond didn't ship sufficent copies? Stevie picked up his here http://www.dynamicduocomics.net/ (http://www.dynamicduocomics.net/)
Out of curiosity, do we have any sales figures for CLiNT yet? Seeing as it's Millar's stated aim to make comic books viable in the British newsagent again, I'm interested to see if he's succeeding.
Quote from: Robert Frazer on 08 November, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
Out of curiosity, do we have any sales figures for CLiNT yet? Seeing as it's Millar's stated aim to make comic books viable in the British newsagent again, I'm interested to see if he's succeeding.
I think the best we have at the moment is that it has done well. Worth asking it over on Millarworld if it hasn't already been addressed.
I finally got hold of #3 today after it failed to come in to my newsies. Thoroughly enjoyed it to be honest.
Even Rex Royd was decent, the best installment yet. If it continues to improve at this rate it could be something pretty special by the end.
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 08 November, 2010, 08:44:53 PMThoroughly enjoyed it to be honest.
Heh, it's telling that the first two issues were a wee bit duff when that sounds like an embarrassed admission. ;)
To be honest myself, I bought the first two issues mainly out of a sense of support-the-industry loyalty more than any real interest in the contents - I'd already read
Kick-Ass and
Turf in their dedicated books,
Rex Royd was frankly repellent and while the Frost/Pegg interview was interesting the rest of the articles were pure filler. I was tempted by No. 3 as I'm a big Tarantino nut, but the voice telling me that Millar had had enough of my charity was louder.
This thread is making me reapprise myself, though - the positive reception it's getting is bringing me round to giving it another chance and buying No. 3 after all. Well done, Millar!
Quote from: Robert Frazer on 08 November, 2010, 09:10:00 PM
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 08 November, 2010, 08:44:53 PMThoroughly enjoyed it to be honest.
Heh, it's telling that the first two issues were a wee bit duff when that sounds like an embarrassed admission. ;)
Not embarrassed as such. The thing is, I was a pretty staunch advocate of the first two as well. Certainly never felt like charity (though I would have given it a couple more issues if it had done).
But yeah, there were kinks that needed ironing out and this is the one I've enjoyed the most so far.
I got into work the other day to find someone had left the first three issues of Clint on my desk. Read the first two so far and I'm a little bemused as I thought the first episode of Rex Royd was absolutely brilliant.
Maybe I was forearmed from reading some of the earlier comments here, but I didn't have much trouble following it, beyond the deliberate disorientation. There's at least one moment (the panel where he's fucking the world in the mirror) which nobody would think out of place in The Filth, but overall it read like a comedy New Statesmen. The second episode wasn't as good but still entertained me. Also, the art is comfortably the best in the package and I love all the little background things like Rex talking to a head in a bowl over breakfast.
Turf, which was the one thing in the mag I actually wanted to read, was decent but tortuously overwritten.
Of the rest, Kick-Ass 2 was deathly dull and I can't figure out if the art is stylised or simply bad. Are the spindly arms, wrongly placed knee joints, lollipop necks and wildly disproportionate body sizes of characters a deliberate artistic choice which I just don't like or is it incompetence?
Nemesis was pretty shite too. In my limited experience (these two strips so far and whatever he did for 2000AD before I stopped reading) of reading Millar, he sames able to come up with a good hook to hang a story on but all he can come up with after that is nastiness.
Still got number 3 to go, which I was interested to hear has a column from my favourite online film critic, http://outlawvern.com/ . And by "favourite" I of course mean "the only one I read". And by "the only one I read" I of course mean "apart from Buttonman."
Quote from: The Cosh on 13 November, 2010, 12:48:19 AM
Also, the art is comfortably the best in the package and I love all the little background things like Rex talking to a head in a bowl over breakfast.
Fair enough, all subjective and all that. I didn't mind the art although I wasn't over taken by the colouring. I definitely prefer the art of the other strips though.
QuoteTurf, which was the one thing in the mag I actually wanted to read, was decent but tortuously overwritten.
The first chapter is very exposition heavy, but that is toned down for the other chapters by a large margin (although you probably know that having read 3 issues). While this was probably one of my favourite strips at the start, I did find the third episode (by that I mean the one in Clint issue 3. Strictly I think it's part of part 2) a bit of a drag for some reason. The last page confused me as the panels made little sense... then I sussed it's actually meant as a taster for next issue. (I think.)
QuoteOf the rest, Kick-Ass 2 was deathly dull and I can't figure out if the art is stylised or simply bad.
It's a bit slow going as we're being delivered small bites sized chunks (and there were lots of splash pages in issue 3) but I'm really enjoying it. (Not really that original though but I like it.) As for the art I'd go with 'stylised'. I didn't like this artist's take on Dredd for that new US comic cover but I love it here. Bear in mind also Kick-ass is a youngster. He is supposed to be gangly, although it's exaggerated.
QuoteNemesis was pretty shite too. In my limited experience (these two strips so far and whatever he did for 2000AD before I stopped reading) of reading Millar, he sames able to come up with a good hook to hang a story on but all he can come up with after that is nastiness.
I'm largely enjoying nemesis, but I agree, it does perhaps get a bit too nasty, although I wasn't offended. (Rex Royd on the other hand, pissed me off last week. I'm not reading it any more, and I seldom skip over a strip, even if I dislike it. I haven't yet with 2000 AD.)
[spoiler]I thought the last chapter with Nemesis taking out a massive load of men all by himself rather ridiculous. I understand he is a super-skilled hard nut, and I can believe he'd be able to beat the odds against, say 3 guards, even 5 at most, but
that many? (What was it? 99?) I'm pretty sure he isn't supposed to be superhuman. I figured he was basically what you'd get if Batman was an evil terrorist megalomaniac. And dressed in white.[/spoiler]
Quote from: ozebane on 28 October, 2010, 09:21:56 PMWhy? It was the first truly coherent installment of Rex Royd.
Really? I thought it was even more incoherent than usual.
Maybe it's just me, because I've given up trying to 'get' it. I know there's a story in there somewhere, it's just that I could think of any number of better ways to tell it... the first dozen or so without even waking up first. ::)
Fortunately most of the rest of the comic is decent. If it was all of the same standard of Rex Royd I'd have stopped after the first issue, which would no doubt have ended up recycled as something more worthwhile, like an egg carton.
Stewart Lee and Steve Yeowell (in colour) have a story appearing in CLiNT, that is a lot more interesting to me than the news Jimmy Carr might be:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/25/stewart-lee-to-write-comic-for-clint-5/
Previous mention of this story:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/08/06/agatha-harkness-princess-of-darkness-the-stewart-lee-comic-book-that-never-was/
Jimmy Carr:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/22/jimmy-carr-confirmed-to-write-comic-for-clint-magazine-in-two-months/
Great stuff. I like me some Yeowell in colour, much more than in black and white. Just started reading Nikolai Dante bk 5 in my Dante marathon and Yeowells work in colour in that is lovely (not sure he actually coloured it but it brings it to life in a way Red Seas never does)
I stopped buying Clint after the first issue but the idea of a Stewart Lee story has perked my interest, particularly if drawn by Steve Yeowell. Now the question is will Clint start releasing trades of its original material? I don't think I can justify buying Clint on the back of one strip but if it was to be collected...
I quite like the Clint angle of using celeb funny men to script stuff. Wonder if Charlie Brooker could be tempted?
QuoteWonder if Charlie Brooker could be tempted?
Well, he did used to be a cartoonist (I have fond memories of his demented CEX ad strips from the early 1990s...). I'd guess he's too busy these days, though.
As for the Stewart Lee thing... SOLD! I've bought all three issues of CLiNT so far, and will continue to buy it. As for Jimmy Carr, I'm not really a fan of his stand up material but he comes across as very likable in interviews, so I'm keen to see what he comes up with.
Yeah I fcking LOVE Stewart Lee - but am as well hesitant to buy it just on that merit. I'd only cut out that story and staple it to Frankie Boyle DVDs in HMV.
I will quiver expectantly and wait for a collection - or just pick up the relevant Clints from a charity shop next year.
Clint is already falling behind schedule with no November issue you say?
oh.
Steve Yeowell in CLint makes me sad cause its less Steve Yeowell in the prog.
Cannie wait for StripUK.
Quote from: BPP on 28 November, 2010, 05:49:38 PM
Clint is already falling behind schedule with no November issue you say?
It got a mention on the Millarworld forums - apparently Frankie Boyle was late handing a script in so it was bumped back a week but #5 in the 23rd December so it'd be back on schedule:
http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?/topic/95856-clint-4/
Quote from: BPP on 28 November, 2010, 05:49:38 PM
Steve Yeowell in CLint makes me sad cause its less Steve Yeowell in the prog.
Or... maybe it's more Steve Yeowell? Doesn't sound so bad to me.
Read issue four today and thought it was pretty good. The strips are getting better each month (although Rex Royd is still incomprehensible tosh) and I'm enjoying Kick Ass 2 much more than I thought I would. Sadly the articles have been getting worse each month. There doesn't seem to be any point to the and I some of them are dreadfully written.
There is a bit more information over on Bleeding Cool, including what they are going to do when they run out of material (as they are already ahead of the US on some stories):
QuoteSlight scheduling concerns; Kick Ass 2 is ahead of US schedule again and has another issue out in three weeks. Are we goign to run out of Kick Ass 2 if CLiNT keeps up a regular four weekly schedule? We're also caught up with Turf and ahead on Nemesis now. Will Superior arrive sooner than expected perhaps and bump one or two other others out for a month while they play catch up? Might we even see The Unfunnies?
Might we? The magazine gives us the answer. As of issue 5, CLiNT will be running Garth Ennis and Amanda Conner's The Pro. Feels like perfect CLiNT fodder to me.
Bits of news: Muriel Gray and Stewart Lee will be writing a longer form comic for CLiNT next year.
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/12/01/numbercrunching-clint-4-with-stewart-lee-and-steve-yeowell/
Hmmmm... Toxic, anybody?
well I was supprised to see issue one of this on the Shelf of my local newsagents this week (in OZ), it was in the Metal, Movie and Sci-fi mag section opposite the comics). Cheaper than the Meg which is good, quite enjoyed the first issue (the comics not really the articles) and if its on the shelf will definatly get number 2.
Quick question should a non-pom know who Frankie Boyle is? Rex Royd does seem rather amature but I think I know whats going on.
CU Radbacker
Frankie Boyle?
No I wouldn't worry yourself about him. He's an overhyped Scottish television personality who ripped off a comedian called Jerry Sadowitz and is therefore apparently some kind of dark comedy genius.
His last comedy tour was called "I'd gladly punch all of you in the face" and his autobiography was called "My Sh*t life so far" . His act revolves mainly around a mix of pretend cynicism and forced bad taste (he famously spent half a show making fun of the mothers of disabled children and then apologized profusely when one such mother began crying in the crowd) - he's sold millions and lives a very comfortable life.
So there we go - plagiarism can be fun. Find your nearby extreme comedian, water their act down and you'll go far.
Now THAT'S cynicism!
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 02 December, 2010, 08:08:25 AM
Frankie Boyle?
No I wouldn't worry yourself about him. He's an overhyped Scottish television personality who ripped off a comedian called Jerry Sadowitz and is therefore apparently some kind of dark comedy genius.
His last comedy tour was called "I'd gladly punch all of you in the face" and his autobiography was called "My Sh*t life so far" . His act revolves mainly around a mix of pretend cynicism and forced bad taste (he famously spent half a show making fun of the mothers of disabled children and then apologized profusely when one such mother began crying in the crowd) - he's sold millions and lives a very comfortable life.
So there we go - plagiarism can be fun. Find your nearby extreme comedian, water their act down and you'll go far.
Now THAT'S cynicism!
That all may be true, but I have to say I've been to see Sadowitz and Boyle live, Sadowitz barely got a snigger from me but Boyle had me rolling in the aisles! I think he's genuinely hilarious, while Sadowitz just said a load of offensive things that didn't have punchlines. Each to their own I guess. Rex Royd is still poor though, and from the first episode of his sketch show it doesn't seem any better.
Quote from: Radbacker on 02 December, 2010, 04:22:19 AM
Quick question should a non-pom know who Frankie Boyle is? Rex Royd does seem rather *immature* but I think I know whats going on.
CU Radbacker
A quick correction there.
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 02 December, 2010, 08:08:25 AM
Frankie Boyle?
No I wouldn't worry yourself about him. He's an overhyped Scottish television personality who ripped off a comedian called Jerry Sadowitz and is therefore apparently some kind of dark comedy genius.
His last comedy tour was called "I'd gladly punch all of you in the face" and his autobiography was called "My Sh*t life so far" . His act revolves mainly around a mix of pretend cynicism and forced bad taste (he famously spent half a show making fun of the mothers of disabled children and then apologized profusely when one such mother began crying in the crowd) - he's sold millions and lives a very comfortable life.
So there we go - plagiarism can be fun. Find your nearby extreme comedian, water their act down and you'll go far.
Now THAT'S cynicism!
Thats the kind of constructive criticism/ranting that i like.I never knew you had it in you :D
As for Frankie Boyle if people didnt lsaugh at nothing/anything/poor humor then Frankie Boyle wouldnt have a career.The beard was a sensible idea as it hides the face or quite a lot of it.
The thing is ?Frankie Boyle is capable of being very funny but the forced irreverence and bad taste and oh so outrageous act is getting very tiresome and its like he is trying too hard to shock but the quality of the one liners/humor isnt all that clever if you listen closely.
Or: Frankie Boyle is at least a hundred times funnier than Sadowitz, who has recently attempted a pathetic cry for attention by claiming Boyle 'ripped him off'. He didn't, though Boyle's beard is at least as ill-advised as Sadoitz's hair and hat.
Nothing about Boyle is 'put on' or 'forced'. He really IS like that. He used to share flats, at various times, with several of my friends- some of whom are mentioned (in excellently derogatory terms) in his autobiography. I've been on the 'outskirts of his circle', as it were, for about fifteen years- through his alcoholism and beyond, and he really IS exactly as he seems. I like him a lot and found his autobiog strangely touching and very funny.
He can't write comics to save his life though.
SBT
I'm with SBT on this one- I like Boyle, he's funny. I remember seeing Sadowitz on telly years ago- I liked that too, but I tend to agree with SBT that a lot of the time with JS, there wasn't really a joke- it really was laughing at someone being offensive (which is fine, if you like it). People like Sadowitz were ahead of their time- no ripping off has been done, it's a fairly natural progression seen in many art forms, artist B is influenced by artist A.
I have to declare an interest here - I did some graphics for Tramadol Nights, (nothing that's going on my reel though...)
For me I think Frankie Boyle works best when you've got a contrast, like Mock the Week, on his own I find his style a bit relentless.
'relentless' yes, that's sort of how I feel about much of clint.
Quote from: Radbacker on 02 December, 2010, 04:22:19 AMQuick question should a non-pom know who Frankie Boyle is?
Your starter for 10:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Boyle
Quote from: Radbacker on 02 December, 2010, 04:22:19 AMRex Royd does seem rather amature but I think I know whats going on.
Well done, I'm pretty sure I didn't have the slightest clue when I read the first part. Future instalments have helped somewhat but I still feel like it could slip away from me at any moment, leaving me with the cold realisation that I still don't actually know what is going on.
Quote from: Steve Green on 02 December, 2010, 08:23:07 PMFor me I think Frankie Boyle works best when you've got a contrast, like Mock the Week, on his own I find his style a bit relentless.
He is the best thing on it and his humour works well in the little nasty nuggets the format allows, pity the smugfest that it can dissolve into makes it almost unwatchable ;)
Quote from: Emperor on 02 December, 2010, 08:34:49 PM
Well done, I'm pretty sure I didn't have the slightest clue when I read the first part. Future instalments have helped somewhat but I still feel like it could slip away from me at any moment, leaving me with the cold realisation that I still don't actually know what is going on.
That's kind of where I was at with Rex Royd this month- last time I thought I was getting the jist- now it's all gone a bit 'eh?' again.
It's a bit like eating a Szechuan stir-fry. Sometimes I haven't got a fucking clue what I'm eating, but it's got a bit of a kick and tastes damn fine.
Quote from: Dog Deever on 02 December, 2010, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 02 December, 2010, 08:34:49 PM
Well done, I'm pretty sure I didn't have the slightest clue when I read the first part. Future instalments have helped somewhat but I still feel like it could slip away from me at any moment, leaving me with the cold realisation that I still don't actually know what is going on.
That's kind of where I was at with Rex Royd this month- last time I thought I was getting the jist- now it's all gone a bit 'eh?' again.
Oh don't say that!!
Quote from: Dog Deever on 02 December, 2010, 08:42:56 PMIt's a bit like eating a Szechuan stir-fry. Sometimes I haven't got a fucking clue what I'm eating, but it's got a bit of a kick and tastes damn fine.
And sometimes it is the not knowing that is the fine part ;)
Just picked up issue 4. The Stewart Lee/Steve Yeowell thing was very good I thought. Not read anything else yet.
Just put out a subscription!! :D
Next up: Strip Magazine!!!!!! :P
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 02 December, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Or: Frankie Boyle is at least a hundred times funnier than Sadowitz, who has recently attempted a pathetic cry for attention by claiming Boyle 'ripped him off'. He didn't, though Boyle's beard is at least as ill-advised as Sadoitz's hair and hat.
Nothing about Boyle is 'put on' or 'forced'. He really IS like that. He used to share flats, at various times, with several of my friends- some of whom are mentioned (in excellently derogatory terms) in his autobiography. I've been on the 'outskirts of his circle', as it were, for about fifteen years- through his alcoholism and beyond, and he really IS exactly as he seems. I like him a lot and found his autobiog strangely touching and very funny.
He can't write comics to save his life though.
SBT
Flatshare with Frankie Boyle.
I bet that was fun and i can only guess that the Frankie Boyle personality was somewhat exaggerated during the alcoholic phase.
I still haven't tracked down issue 4, am guessing it's to do with all this snow but I would have thought the odd copy would at least be popping up in FP or Smiths. But nooooooo.
Sadowitz seems to focus his comedy on abstracts rather than specifically moving from Madeline McCann to Jade Goody to someone in the audience as Boyle does, so I find his persona comes off as hateful opposed to Sadowitz' willful ignorance.
Stewart Lee's 'The property' was very funny. A transition from one character POV to another was maybe a little abrupt, but otherwise very entertaining and even manages to sneak in a few Lee and Herring references: "I'm drinking weak lemon drink - you have to give them what they want." His article on why he's stopped reading Marvel after thirty-odd years is quite insightful, too, and for those still following Colsmi's Too Busy Thinking About My Comics, not an isolated opinion.
There are no Jerry Sadowitz videos online at all which is a pain because i wanted to watch some to refresh my memory because Jerry Sadowitz has been around for kin years since the 80s.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 03 December, 2010, 05:56:25 PM
There are no Jerry Sadowitz videos online at all which is a pain because i wanted to watch some to refresh my memory because Jerry Sadowitz has been around for kin years since the 80s.
When I saw him he made a very big deal about not wanting anything on youtube, to the point where he grabbed someone's iphone off them and smashed it to pieces on the floor for filming it. To be honest it was the funniest thing he did that night.
Issue #4. Good issue this month. "The Property" is by far the most memorable of Clint's one-offs to date. Kick-Ass 2, Turf and American Jesus are all coming along nicely. Nemesis feels like it's struggling a bit to stay interesting but maybe next month's conclusion will pick it up again. The Best Man had a great 'future shock' type idea but unfortunately the build-up really gave the ending away a bit too easily.
Rex Royd was the usual exercise in how not to tell a story. It's perfectly okay to deliberately tell a story in a disjointed manner as long as you can pull it off. Rex Royd doesn't. The Illuminatus! Trilogy by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson is a good example of how to do it right. Can't think of one in comics.
I keep mis-reading the title of this thread as "Mark Millar's a Cu-"
I've flicked through it, but never been tempted to buy it. I'd never give him my money.
It's still not in the shop this morning.
saw copies at the weekend RC so guess its a local-snow thing.
FP finally got some copies in so grabbed one. Only about halfway through, pretty decent. Turf is building up nicely, Kick Ass 2 is still doing pretty well considering the tiny chunks, and Rex Royd was the worst episode so far in my opinion. I keep thinking there are some good ideas hidden away beneath the ropey storytelling though.
The prog was way better! Meg came today too, but I'm holding off for an Insurrection re-read first :)
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 06 December, 2010, 01:53:35 PM
The prog was way better! Meg came today too, but I'm holding off for an Insurrection re-read first :)
Re-read? :o :o :o Certainly each & every phenomenal panel is permanently seared into your squaxxatic synapses?
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 07 December, 2010, 06:07:49 AM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 06 December, 2010, 01:53:35 PM
The prog was way better! Meg came today too, but I'm holding off for an Insurrection re-read first :)
Re-read? :o :o :o Certainly each & every phenomenal panel is permanently seared into your squaxxatic synapses?
I wish, I remember it was awesome but I'm lucky if I can remember why I walked in a room these days, let alone who's who in various comics!
Finished Clint, another good issue, still glad I'm buying it. American Jesus doesn't seem to be going anywhere yet, and Royd is still a mess, but other than that really enjoyed it. Stewart Lee's strip in particular was a very nice Future Shocky concept, as much as I've always enjoyed Frankie Boyle's standup I think Lee's always been far far better. Interesting to see that he's also done a much better job of turning his hand to comics.
Incidentally, Tramadol Nights was even worse this week, I can sense a Boyle backlash on the horizon. He just comes across as one note these days, my girlfriend described it as Bill Hicks without a point. Jade Goody? Still?
QuoteIncidentally, Tramadol Nights was even worse this week, I can sense a Boyle backlash on the horizon. He just comes across as one note these days, my girlfriend described it as Bill Hicks without a point. Jade Goody? Still?
So I hear... I was very disappionted in the first show. I mean- Knight Rider (never mind Jade Goody!) was 25 or 30 years ago!
And he seems to have an unhealthy interest in male rape.
Still getting off on ClINT, except the terrible Rex Royd (does ANYONE like it?). Stewart Lee's strip was indeed a sterling job, and I love the idea behind it. Muriel Gray's was also pretty good, although the ending was telegraphed somewhat. All the other strips are great, and I adore Nemesis.
Good articles as well.
It was sat alongside the gay mags in my WH Smiths. I moved it. Why doesn't Millar just get them to put it with 2000AD and the rest... shooting himslef in the foot by trying to convince people it's a lads mag.
Still hvaen't seen #4 in the shops...
Is turf still coming out in its own comic now?
I enjoyed issue 4, particularly Stewart Lee's story. I hope he comes back to do a longer one. Muriel Gray's story was also pretty good.
Rex Royd is a bit rubbish but I usually find at least one amusing scene or idea in each episode.
Nemesis and Kick Ass continue to entertain, as does American Jesus and Turf has been surprisingly enjoyable too.
I wonder what we'll get to replace Turf and Nemesis, both of which look like they'll be finishing next issue.
Also next issue - The Pro, by the most over-rated comic writer working today, Garth Ennis. I think I read a friend's copy of issue 1 of this peurile shite when it first came out and I'm not realy looking forward to reading it again. I'll still buy CLiNT though as it's still good value.
Quote from: Alski on 10 December, 2010, 11:57:10 AMIt was sat alongside the gay mags in my WH Smiths. I moved it.
I moved it back.
Quote from: Emperor on 10 December, 2010, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: Alski on 10 December, 2010, 11:57:10 AMIt was sat alongside the gay mags in my WH Smiths. I moved it.
I moved it back.
Bah! I even went and looked among the gay mags after reading this... still no joy!
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 10 December, 2010, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 10 December, 2010, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: Alski on 10 December, 2010, 11:57:10 AMIt was sat alongside the gay mags in my WH Smiths. I moved it.
I moved it back.
Bah! I even went and looked among the gay mags after reading this... still no joy!
You found no joy amongst the gay mags? You lie.
QuoteYou found no joy amongst the gay mags? You lie.
True...
Mmmmm....
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 02 December, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Or: Frankie Boyle is at least a hundred times funnier than Sadowitz, who has recently attempted a pathetic cry for attention by claiming Boyle 'ripped him off'. He didn't, though Boyle's beard is at least as ill-advised as Sadoitz's hair and hat.
Nothing about Boyle is 'put on' or 'forced'. He really IS like that. He used to share flats, at various times, with several of my friends- some of whom are mentioned (in excellently derogatory terms) in his autobiography. I've been on the 'outskirts of his circle', as it were, for about fifteen years- through his alcoholism and beyond, and he really IS exactly as he seems. I like him a lot and found his autobiog strangely touching and very funny.
He can't write comics to save his life though.
SBT
Frankie Boyle is a cunt and his natural audience are mean-spirited drooling cabbages who pay 20 quid to see the beardy cunt live because they want to hear him talk about fucking children who have cancer while they do "shocked laughter" despite the fact that they're not shocked, and he isn't funny.
I used to be rather ambivalent about Frankie Boyle. I saw him do some stand-up at a corporate thing and he was agreeably scathing, but fucking hell lately I'm starting to fucking hate him, his shit newspaper column, his shit fucking books, his shit TV show and his interminably boring shit one-liners about gay sex/ animanl sex/ paedophiles/ illnesses (especially in children) etc etc.
How fucking stupid can people be to fall for this shit?
He has a list of stuff that someone somewhere has decided "you can't make jokes about" and that's his entire act.
And it's ironic in many ways that he has that list of things "you can't make jokes about" and in his act proves that statement entirely correct
Yeah, but do you like him?
For what it's worth though, I think Boyle is a very good comedian.
But.
I watched the first episode of Tramadol Nights and Jesus... I was annoyed at it to start with, but now I honestly feel sorry for him more than anything else.
If all he can think of to 'shock' people are skits on 30 year old TV shows and hilarious rapes then he's not worth bothering with.
seconded, exactly my thoughts...
I think Frankie Boyle can be very funny but I am a Scotsman and any comedian that touches on local culture for his humour usually gets my appreciation. I do think that his jokes and skits on Tramadol Nights are more miss than hit. When they do hit however, they had me in tears!
That "Magic Wee Hing" skit was probably the funniest thing I have seen since I was a six year old watching the Chuckle Brothers. :lol:
Yeah, there seems to be a Boyle backlash brewing among everyone I know who previously liked him. I honestly thought he was fantastic until Tramadol Nights came along and, like most folks, I'm quite shocked at how bad it is. The standup was alright in the first episode but the material is soooooo old.
The biggest problem with the sketches is they seem to take an alright idea and then drive it into the ground for 5 minutes too long. Saying that at the conclusion to the wanking time traveller skit we genuinely found the [spoiler]'Not Jesus'[/spoiler] sign hilarious.
I'll still watch it for the occasional laugh it gives me, but sadly his wit seems to have gone out the window and he's just trying to shock and hoping that's enough. Which, rather ironically, means the Sadowitz comparisons finally fit.
Don't really want to write him off based on 2 episodes of a show though, and it's still far better than The Morgana Show.
Quote from: davethomson on 14 December, 2010, 03:14:52 PMThat "Magic Wee Hing" skit was probably the funniest thing I have seen since I was a six year old watching the Chuckle Brothers. :lol:
While I largely found Tramadol Nights a laugh-free zone I did think this was bang on. Kids would be little shits like that ;)
I also hope Dog Deever gets his suggest for a follow-up through to Frankie Boyle:
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe where the kids pass through to a strange, magical land of snow and ice, where the locals treat them cruelly: they end up in Lossiemouth.
I've still yet to even see a copy of this here (couldn't even get one at NYCC!), although I have tried to contribute via the "Space Oddities." No luck there yet.
This whole Frankie Boyle debacle has made me consider my stance on contributing tho, seeing as I also have an overweight autistic child of my own...
Plus, y'know, the fact I've already read most of the comics content of CLiNT already...
Quote from: Emperor on 14 December, 2010, 03:23:59 PM
While I largely found Tramadol Nights a laugh-free zone I did think this was bang on. Kids would be little shits like that ;)
Agreed, that was tortuously brilliant.
Frankie Boyle doesnt realise that being shocking and irreverent or outrageous isnt enough in itself to make a good comedian but no doubt Frankie Boyle thinks that it is and knows that there are enough morons out there to allow him to get away with it.He doesnt seem to realise that its self defeating.
Its also an example of someone who since becoming successful has lost sight of themselves and lost their quality control so that they become a kind of ridiculous caricature or parody of themselves.Its a bit like watching someone who is a cokehead where they lose sight of themselves and think they are the best thing ever.The more he is laughed at the more he contrives to shock
What annoys me is that all of his humor is at someone elses expense and the latest show is typical of CH 4 type entertainment as it ticks their age demographic and its possible that CH 4 have egged him on a bit so that he is as offensive as possible.Not that i have any problem with offensive humor if its done well but in this case its crude and juvenile.
Its Charlie Fucking Boyle on Fucking Channel Fucking 4 with my new Fucking show called Tramadol Fucking Nights.
Its like ticking boxes trying to be shocking by saying Fucking every other Fucking word because its adult Fucking humor so there should be Fucking swearing.
Boring.
I always found him to be astute enough to know exactly what he was doing (even off his trolley).
But the Knightrider thing alone was enough to convince me life was too short to invest time in Tramadol Nights.
He was doing Jade Goody stuff as she aly dying (which a lot of comedians shyed away from) but I'd guess they were by the sell by date by now.
Still no sign of #5!?!
I couldn't find #4 either so I've ordered it online. I was thinking of giving it the push, but I do largely like most of the strips.
Well, issue 5 is now over a week late. Any sign of it elsewhere in the country, or should we fear the worst?
SBT
Nothing up in Elgin yet and it's been in on the day of the release date either at Tesco, WH Smiths or my local newsagent with every issue so far.
I doubt if it's been pulled, possibly just late. I read somewhere that Titan are not unknown for delays without any explanation- whether that's true or not I really couldn't say.
According to a member of it's FaceBook (via MillarWorld), it's coming out next week (due to BOTH Rex Royd & Kick-Ass 2 being delayed).
So basically, issue 4 was a week late- but was printed with the unchanged 'next issue due' date (30th Dec, or similar). We started looking for 5 around then, when it was actually due the following Thursday (yesterday), but will now be a week late, arriving next Thursday?
SBT
Ah well- at least it will be out.
Mark Millar was heard to exclaim: "see you next thursday."
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 January, 2011, 09:17:13 PM
So basically, issue 4 was a week late- but was printed with the unchanged 'next issue due' date (30th Dec, or similar). We started looking for 5 around then, when it was actually due the following Thursday (yesterday), but will now be a week late, arriving next Thursday?
This has come up over on the Millarworld forums (http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?/topic/96240-clint-5/) -- apparently they're waiting on "some artwork".
You'll note that it's handwaved away by a mod on the grounds that "there's no need to start a new thread every time a Millar book is late" but the UK newsstands are not
quite the same market as the US direct sales market. Habit is an all-important component of a high street title's success over here, and Millar's inability to get a book out on schedule that's 25% feature, with the remaining 75% containing about 75% reprint is --frankly-- a concern to me...
Cheers!
Jim
Screw Clint! Although I do enjoy reading it.
Where's frikkin' Punisher Max?
Does anybody know how well this is selling ? Millar isn't one to be shy when he's getting good sales, which suggests they're probably underwhelming for CLiNT.
BTW, I'm not a Millar fan and I don't read CLiNT, but I would like to see some more mainstream success for comics as a whole.
- C
well part of the reason i dont go for US floppies is because of delays, no matter how good the story is that habitual Weekly/MOnthly purchase buzz is a must too and when something i'm getting into isn't there when it should be it bugs me and i loose enthusiasm. 2000AD has released nearly every week for 30+ years, The Meg on time every month for 20+ it cant be that hard (particualrly with an anthology title, art late for seomething there should be some one off or small series waiting in case this happens, its how tooth seems to do it the few times its had problems).
Still we only just got issue 2 on our news stands over here so hopefuly a delay for you guys wont end up being one for us.
CU Radbacker
I've not been following this thread since I bought issue 1 and wasn't impressed - my question is this - of all the people who weren't that impressed with issue 1 (and there seemed to be a few), has your impression changed? Has it got better? I'm worried I may have written it off too quickly.
EDIT: too true what Radbacker says - apart from that one printers strike in the 80s Tharg has been mighty regular.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 08 January, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
I've not been following this thread since I bought issue 1 and wasn't impressed - my question is this - of all the people who weren't that impressed with issue 1 (and there seemed to be a few), has your impression changed? Has it got better?
I haven't received #4 yet, but I'd say, largely, yes. The storytelling style of Turf has certainly improved a lot. The amount of strips increased after the first issue, which unfortunately meant less space for the other strips, but it's swings and roundabouts as to whether that's a bad thing. I loved having full issues of a couple of strips for example, but since it's an anthology anyway, I'd say in the long term that isn't bad.
I think Rex Royd got worse but to be fair I stopped reading it issue 2 onwards. (I knew what happened from reviews though. Episode 1 in itself didn't put me off.) The new strips like American Jesus are a bit too new to judge but all in all not a bad set so far (bar RR). The articles certainly improved.
Okay, issue 4 arrived today and it was a good read all round. The ongoing strips are going well* and there are a couple of one shots, The Property written by Stewart Lee and a Space Oddities Story: Best Man that wouldn't be out of place as 2000 AD future shocks. Okay they're both the wrong length, the first well over five pages, the latter four, (although considering how many panels are crammed in to the pages, it could easily stretch to five, with a bit of restructuring), but I'm referring more to the format and style.
I was a bit uncertain of how Stewart Lee's story would turn out as I'm not over keen on his stand up. (Don't shoot me. I know he is well liked here!) I understand that Stand Up and Comic story scripts are different beasts, it's just I find a lot of his humour rather disparaging and mean, and I was worried it would bleed through into this. (It has with at least one other comedian writer for Clint.) I know a lot of comedians disparage and generally take the piss, but in Lee's case I could almost feel the contempt pouring out of the man. It made me quite uncomfortable. (To be fair it although that could just be really good acting.) In short it felt really nasty in places.
I needn't have worried though. The man tells a great mind bending tale that stands well on it's own terms. I really enjoyed it. (I recognised the artist too!)
I think maybe Nemesis is the weakest for me ([spoiler]he just gets into the White House just like that?[/spoiler]) but it's only weakest of a good bunch. [spoiler]I agree with the vicar that kid from American Jesus isn't the second coming though, special powers aside. One major point in the original Jesus story was that he was utterly sinless. Well meaning though he is, this kid is far from sinless. An interesting enough character though.[/spoiler] As a character 'what if' story American Jesus is intriguing stuff. And quite funny too, which I always like in a strip.
*To be fair, I didn't read Rex Royd.
Ugh. Edit time bomb strikes again.
QuoteTo be fair it although that could just be really good acting
Should obviously be:
"To be fair that [disparaging contemptuous tone] could just be really good acting."
Oh, and while Space Oddities are set up as being like Future Shocks, they really haven't been quite of that quality or style, enjoyable though they are. The Best Man is the first to fit that mould in my opinion, story-wise. (The artwork looks rather Disney though. Not bad, just rather toony.)
SUPERIOR starts in #6!!! Looking forward to it more than ever now!!!
Apparently, according to the comic's Facebook page (I hear, I don't 'like' that particular page myself) CLiNT #5 is now due on the 27th January. That's a month late.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 13 January, 2011, 11:56:28 AM
Apparently, according to the comic's Facebook page (I hear, I don't 'like' that particular page myself) CLiNT #5 is now due on the 27th January. That's a month late.
SBT
The twatter site thing says the same
http://twitter.com/clintmag
lost interest in Clint a while back Im afraid .. wanted to support the venture but it was no toof
Samuel L Jackson: The Coolest Man on the Planet?
Maybe.... back in 1996!
He hasn't done anything interesting in years!
(http://media.titanmagazines.com/filebrowser/clint-posts/clint-5-large.jpg)
"Exclusive interview with Frankie Boyle, who already works for us." Not much of a feather in the cap as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: radiator on 13 January, 2011, 02:59:36 PM
Samuel L Jackson: The Coolest Man on the Planet?
Maybe.... back in 1996!
He hasn't done anything interesting in years!
Any excuse to post a link to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtdFRHQwF2I
For what it's worth I think he was the best thing in the Star Wars prequels. :D
Quote from: davethomson on 13 January, 2011, 03:16:54 PM
For what it's worth I think he was the best thing in the Star Wars prequels. :D
I presume that's damning with faint praise! FWIW I thought Jackson was terrible in the Prequels, even by the standards of his co-stars... Mace
should have been cool (and maybe he was for about 3 minutes in AotC), and Jackson should have been perfect for the role, but it takes a very special actor to make something of those terrible lines.
Quote from: Harrison FordGeorge, you can type this shit, but you sure as hell can't say it
Does anyone have an unwanted copy of #4 that they wouldn't mind selling on?
A bit of discussion about what will and won't be in it:
www.bleedingcool.com/2011/01/13/clint-magazine-5-cover-with-mr-samuel-l-jackson/
As has been mentioned the magazine trade is not so forgiving of lateness so fines might be possible.
It also highlight show difficult it is keeping an anthology of ongoing stories rolling forward - this issue might not contain many of the starting line-up even though none of them have actually finished. Not a slight on CLiNT just an acknowledgement of how hard this is and what a bang up job Tharg does - just because he makes it look easy doesn't mean it is ;)
Managing to miss an issue of a monthly magazine this early in it's run is a bit shit on the planning side of things.
As you say Emp', it makes you realise just how professional the 2000AD office are.*
*A free subscription will be fine fellas.
Helps if you've got a ten-ton homicidal robot bulldozer I suppose.
Quote from: chris_askham on 13 January, 2011, 03:53:48 PM
Does anyone have an unwanted copy of #4 that they wouldn't mind selling on?
I haven't got it but, if you're struggling to find it, Smith's at the station still had a big pile of them yesterday when I read Rex Royd. Which I was pleased to see is back to the ludicrous heights of the first episode.
The last time I was in Forbidden Planet there were loads of copies of issue 4. Maybe you can order one from them if you can't get one in the shops.
For some reason, I was expecting this to be off the shelves by now. Sorry, I don't get out much...
2000ad, showing the upstarts how it's done for 30+ years.
Quote from: James Stacey on 14 January, 2011, 10:36:38 AM
2000ad, showing the upstarts how it's done for 30+ years.
Yep.
So if issue 5 is a month late because they are waiting for more pages of KickAss 2 and Rex Royd, which obviously arent ready yet, doesnt it follow that issue 6 will also then be late because it will have the same issues? Unless Rex Royd doesnt appear in this issue and then they have the next installment ready for issue 6....maybe leaving KickAss out of the next one? This seems like a bit of a scheduling disaster maybe they should have waited until they had more material in the bag before launching the title. Anybody know what the delays with Turf are? I take it Clint has caught up on whats been released so far on that as well then? Sheesh!
Quote from: Van Dom on 14 January, 2011, 12:02:03 PM
So if issue 5 is a month late because they are waiting for more pages of KickAss 2 and Rex Royd, which obviously arent ready yet, doesnt it follow that issue 6 will also then be late because it will have the same issues?
If Millar isn't careful, he and Titan are going to learn a
very costly lesson about the difference between the UK high street and the American direct sales market.
Cheers
Jim
I'm not sure how pro comics work pays, but can a professional actually live on producing less than 8 pages in any given month?
Quote from: Professah Byah on 14 January, 2011, 02:55:03 PM
I'm not sure how pro comics work pays, but can a professional actually live on producing less than 8 pages in any given month?
I think the problem with the Millar and Ross stuff is that it's creator owned, which generally means that the artist is doing the pages in between standard work-for-hire stuff because the WFH delivers a page rate on completion where the Icon/Image stuff pays a percentage of final revenue. (See also: Gutsville.)
I've said before, however, that I clearly missed the memo where 'creator owned' changed meaning to 'no money upfront'. Time was, 'creator owned' meant broadly the same deal as novelists get, ie: an advance on which to live while you do the work, but no royalties on the book until it's earned back the advance. Not any more, it would seem...
Cheers
Jim
Sobering stuff, Jim - and it also sounds suspiciously like more proof for the case that comics are a magical wonderland of pixie-dust rather than an actual business. I can think of no other enterprise where adults are employed that makes superstars of those who can't meet deadlines. That it's still happening in a credit crunch when comics are such a niche concern with a small audience of hobbyists and nostalgics who at any moment could realise they have better things to do with disposable income only makes it more amazing.
What the ursine academic said.
I hadn't realised that was what "creator owned" meant either Jim, blimey. I know Eric Powell has been railing against the lack of creator owned titles in the comics mainstream on facebook/twitter recently and some of the statistics he has posted regarding the Big Two's dominance of the market are remarkable.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 January, 2011, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: Professah Byah on 14 January, 2011, 02:55:03 PM
I'm not sure how pro comics work pays, but can a professional actually live on producing less than 8 pages in any given month?
I think the problem with the Millar and Ross stuff is that it's creator owned, which generally means that the artist is doing the pages in between standard work-for-hire stuff because the WFH delivers a page rate on completion where the Icon/Image stuff pays a percentage of final revenue. (See also: Gutsville.)
Jonathan Ross is actually paying TLE from his own pocket to ensure that he can focus on getting the work down in a timely fashion. You'd imagine that Millar might want to do the same with his movie millions but I don't know whether he is, War Heroes certainly hit the buffers but whether that was because of Tony Harris' paying commitments elsewhere (although it was optioned so there must have been some movie money sloshing around) or the scripts drying up I don't know. It could lead to complications I suppose, as an unscrupulous writer could claim that while they are on a backend deal and taking all the risk the writer is WFH, so the writer could bag all the revenue and media options. However, it'd be a bit of a dick move and anyway would be spelled out in a contract so everyone would know what they were getting into I suppose.
The problem with something like CLiNT is starting to serialise the comics when you only have one issue in the bank. The trick is finding some kind of balance as you want the reprints to be as current as possible but if the artists can't get a comic out in time to keep the schedule rolling you are going to have to wait until you have enough material. The Direct Market seems to put up with delays these days but once you are getting into newsagents that is a whole different beast.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 January, 2011, 03:04:28 PMI've said before, however, that I clearly missed the memo where 'creator owned' changed meaning to 'no money upfront'. Time was, 'creator owned' meant broadly the same deal as novelists get, ie: an advance on which to live while you do the work, but no royalties on the book until it's earned back the advance. Not any more, it would seem...
You can get such deals - both Vertigo and Image will pay you an advance if you want.
The Vertigo contracts have been a bit difficult to pin down until they recently announced changes that left some creators up in arms but me wondering why it wasn't already like that - previously Vertigo only took back the advance from sales but recently announced they'd be doing this from trade paperbacks too, which seems logical as Vertigo titles don't sell huge numbers any more but the trades still do rather nicely. As far as I'm aware the advance also has provisions about adaptations into other media but it is not clear what they are - some have suggested it is only a guaranteed first look for Warners, but it might also include less flexibility where you take the project or possibly that Vertigo get a cut of the options (as I say this is not really clear).
At Image the standard deal is they charge a, something like, $2,500 set-up fee that is then taken from revenues and everything else is yours to do with as you wish. However, I managed to get the publisher at Image pinned down and they can cut a deal that includes an advance but they'd want to be sure they get their money back so would want a slice of the revenues or possible the movie money. Obviously if you were doing something like Chew and were able to keep it rolling out on a regular basis and you can wait for the backend cash to kick in (especially off the trades which is a way down the line from issue #1) then keeping all the pie to yourself could work fine and might pay off very nicely indeed. However, if it looks like the schedule could slip, which then means the momentum is lost and trades become a distant hope, then it might be in your interest to take the advance, as the loss of a slice of cash is nothing compared to the loss that comes from the project being in limbo. See for example, Phonogram and Gutsville.
Quote from: Emperor on 14 January, 2011, 05:08:40 PM
You'd imagine that Millar might want to do the same with his movie millions but I don't know whether he is,
With Kick Ass, I believe that JRjr is actually on an exclusive contract with Marvel proper. I'm sure that Millar said they let Romita do Kick Ass because of his and Millar's clout with the company, and Icon being a Marvel imprint anyway, but it was on the understanding that the 'proper' Marvel books come first.
Of course, the problem with creator-owned books is the temptation is to cut corners on the number of people involved to keep the number of ways the cash is split down, hence a lot of artists doing their own lettering, and the tendency to either ink themselves or get the colourist to darken off the pencils in Photoshop and skip the inks entirely.
I mention this because I was just thinking how good Klaus Janson would look inking Romita Jr on Kick Ass...
QuoteYou can get such deals - both Vertigo and Image will pay you an advance if you want.
I actually wonder how many creators
know that about Image, TBH. A fair number that I've spoken to seemed to be blissfully unaware of that fact, as was I!
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 January, 2011, 05:22:04 PM
Of course, the problem with creator-owned books is the temptation is to cut corners on the number of people involved to keep the number of ways the cash is split down, hence a lot of artists doing their own lettering
:o
The monsters.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 January, 2011, 05:22:04 PMQuoteYou can get such deals - both Vertigo and Image will pay you an advance if you want.
I actually wonder how many creators know that about Image, TBH. A fair number that I've spoken to seemed to be blissfully unaware of that fact, as was I!
Now I have no way of knowing whether this is discussed between creators over a few pints at cons, so the information gets around those who need to know. However, for the general public the nature of contracts is a tricky business to get any information on, it certainly isn't much discussed in public and I wasn't able to find anything out, so I have been pushing to see if I could get any answers (and I did).
Here is the relevant information:
QuoteRich: Last time we talked about Image's back end and page rate models of publishing. Bleeding Cool reader Emperor asked if a half-way house between page rates and back ends could be an advance against royalties, popular in the book publishing industry, so creators don't have to seek Work For Hire gigs while working on Image books, helping to increase the very things like a regular schedule that makes books a success, without giving up the media rights that make Image popular. Is this a model Image has considered?
Eric: That's definitely something we've considered and something we'd be willing to negotiate, but as I've said before, we'd have to get something in return, whether that be an increased percentage on trade sales or some participation in media rights. It makes zero sense for Image to simply throw money at something we may never see a return on. Nobody does that, and I'm not sure why anyone would expect it of Image.
The media rights thing... I think there's a big difference in exchanging a percentage of media rights in return for some upfront money, as opposed to a situation where the standard deal at other publishers it to take half or more. Marvel and DC obviously have these towering corporations behind them — Disney and Warner Bros. — and even IDW is owned by a larger corporation. To varying degrees, they can shovel as much money as they want into various properties and wait years for that stuff to pay off. That's not our model, though, and so unless there's a situation when someone comes to us with a project that is 100% guaranteed to sell, right out of the gate, then we have to come up with some way to make an advance work for both parties. I don't think that's unreasonable.
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/18/bleeding-i-qa-with-image-publisher-eric-stephenson/
And the Vertigo contract information:
QuoteThe most recent model saw creators working on a relatively lower page rate than work for hire (though the highest page rate in creator owned circles) and it was treated as an advance against monthly royalties – even if those royalties never paid out.
But previously the trade paperback and monthly comics payment dividends were separate – you were paid royalties on the collections from day one, no matter how the monthly series performed.
But now, if your book doesn't make enough money as a monthly, they'll won't pay trade paperback royalties until it's made enough money for the publisher.
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/12/20/contractual-changes-on-creator-owned-dc-comics/
Quote from: Emperor on 14 January, 2011, 05:08:40 PM
At Image the standard deal is they charge a, something like, $2,500 set-up fee that is then taken from revenues and everything else is yours to do with as you wish. However, I managed to get the publisher at Image pinned down and they can cut a deal that includes an advance but they'd want to be sure they get their money back so would want a slice of the revenues or possible the movie money. Obviously if you were doing something like Chew and were able to keep it rolling out on a regular basis and you can wait for the backend cash to kick in (especially off the trades which is a way down the line from issue #1) then keeping all the pie to yourself could work fine and might pay off very nicely indeed. However, if it looks like the schedule could slip, which then means the momentum is lost and trades become a distant hope, then it might be in your interest to take the advance, as the loss of a slice of cash is nothing compared to the loss that comes from the project being in limbo. See for example, Phonogram and Gutsville.
A question raised at C2E2 last April brought the answer that Image really WANTS the trades, as that's where the money's made (much like anywhere else these days). But until then, back-end deals for most, which means of course things like
Phonogram and
Gutsville fall to the wayside so (bill-)paying work can be accomplished.
you know I am Available to write unkillable immortal psychopath no 281 as a filler for rex roid :lol:
You may need this for the script.
(http://www.planetozkids.com/images/ozzoom/games/boggle/boggle_200x200.jpg)
Quote from: The monarch on 15 January, 2011, 12:35:44 PM
you know I am Available to write unkillable immortal psychopath no 281 as a filler for rex roid :lol:
Yeah but how would you handle the pistol whipping ending?
I went in Smiths yesterday looking for the latest issue and the little shitbag there said they'd sold out! From this thread I now know he was making shit up.
Quote from: Alski on 17 January, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
I went in Smiths yesterday looking for the latest issue and the little shitbag there said they'd sold out! From this thread I now know he was making shit up.
He probably meant last month's.
The six copies of #4 that my whs had left were taken off the shelf one week after #5 failed to show up. Not sold, as i was there when they were removed.
SBT
Just got the new issue today - they had a bunch of them in my local FP. No Rex Royd this month, but The Pro by Garth Ennis in its place. It's quite a good issue, in spite of the wait.
stikes me for all the press coverage people like Ross get they aren't really pimping the backside out of this - which is what they need to be doing to get this 'new' breakthrough audience.
I almost forgot this existed, which is bad news for it. I really like it, so if it slips my mind after a month away then your more casual reader will probably have lost interest. Will be buying it now that I've remembered though.
Picked up the latest issue today, and gave it a read just now in the bath.
Hmm. Nemesis comes to a conclusion, and this has to have been the main attraction for me. Thoroughly enjoyed it, and of COURSE it's going to be a movie. It'll probably end up being a massively successful Scream style franchise, if the twist can be kept from the millions of general cinema goers who will see it but not read the comic. Probably the best colour comic ive read all year.
On the other hand, The Pro starts, and my good grud it's fucking appalling. Ennis is having a laugh, surely? It reads like a really crappy small press effort, by talentless arseholes. The art is terrible, and the lettering worse. If CLiNT is without Nemesis and this is in its place, im not sure i'll be buying any more.
American Jesus is alright, but i havent read Turf yet. Kick Ass 2 is no longer of any interest to me, im afraid. The articles are the usual mix of vaguely good and just horrible.
#5 may be my last one, if Turf and American Jesus become available in trade format and in Waterstones 3 for 2 soon.
SBT
Ahh there's a twist to Nemesis? I wasnt quite sure I was going to pick up this issue but I will now, you have me intrigued. I like a twist!
eeek nemesis is over !
well that pretty much does it for me
cunt er clint is too expensive stateside to wait for it to pick up steam.
(and of course everything is being reissued anyway)
too bad i really like the anthology format.
so besides
-2000AD
-the megazine
-heavy metal
what are good anthology titles currently running ???
Is it just me that thought Nemesis was a load of poo?
Worse than that, it's recycled poo from someone else's jax.
I've quite enjoyed it, in a throwaway kind of sense. In typical Mark Millar style, there's no brain behind it whatsoever, but it hurtles along nicely enough and it looks good.
QuoteThe art is terrible
Really? I think Amanda Conner is an excellent artist.
It is
The Pro that she drew with Garth Ennis?
I liked it too- quite high octane stuff with more than a few twists and turns. Not every story has to be a piece of literature to be good. For example, Necrophim attempts to be clever, but in reality it's just dull and tedious to read, same goes for Dandridge. Nemesis beats both all kinds of sideways, easily.
Sad it's finished, and sad that Rex Royd is taking a break. I've really taken a shine to it. The Pro part 1 was pretty good, though- I'm looking forward to it next month.
Since the delays my local W H Smiths seems to have stopped stocking these! (Or they've moved em to another section and I just can't find it! Which is very possible.) I grabbed last month's from ebay.
Really liked the art on The Pro, too. The figure drawing was superb.
The script, art and lettering on The Pro were the absolute worst i have seen in a 'professional' comic in years. And the colours too. Barely competent, in fact.
SBT
Quote from: Dog Deever on 27 January, 2011, 11:15:13 PM....sad that Rex Royd is taking a break.
I'm sad it's taking a break too. I had hoped that was the end of it.
Quote from: radiator on 27 January, 2011, 11:03:15 PM
Is it just me that thought Nemesis was a load of poo?
No, it's not just you. It was dogshit. And the so called 'twist'?
[spoiler]It's like a crap joke from a spoof! "He left the note 10 YEARS AGO!!!" HOW??? How did he know exactly all those things would happen? Is he psychic? It makes no sense. It's like a terrible B movie plot.[/spoiler]
Utter, utter hastily made up bullshit passed off as writing.
The art was lovely though.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 January, 2011, 08:58:00 AM
No, it's not just you. It was dogshit. And the so called 'twist'?
[spoiler]It's like a crap joke from a spoof! "He left the note 10 YEARS AGO!!!" HOW??? How did he know exactly all those things would happen? Is he psychic? It makes no sense. It's like a terrible B movie plot.[/spoiler]
Utter, utter hastily made up bullshit passed off as writing.
The art was lovely though.
No, that's not the twist. The twist is [spoiler]that the guy in the white costume isn't Nemesis at all- the 'nemesis' of the title refers to a businessman who gives rich psychopaths the opportunity to play out their supervillain fantasies, arming them with everything they need. After the impossible lengths they've gone to to stop him, the guy in the costume is only one of potentially many.[/spoiler] Like I said, a 'Scream' style franchise.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 January, 2011, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 January, 2011, 08:58:00 AM
No, it's not just you. It was dogshit. And the so called 'twist'?
[spoiler]It's like a crap joke from a spoof! "He left the note 10 YEARS AGO!!!" HOW??? How did he know exactly all those things would happen? Is he psychic? It makes no sense. It's like a terrible B movie plot.[/spoiler]
Utter, utter hastily made up bullshit passed off as writing.
The art was lovely though.
No, that's not the twist. The twist is [spoiler]that the guy in the white costume isn't Nemesis at all- the 'nemesis' of the title refers to a businessman who gives rich psychopaths the opportunity to play out their supervillain fantasies, arming them with everything they need. After the impossible lengths they've gone to to stop him, the guy in the costume is only one of potentially many.[/spoiler] Like I said, a 'Scream' style franchise.
SBT
That is also stupid. [spoiler]If he was just a 'rich psychopath', how come he was able to single-handedly take out an entire swat team or any of the other amazing shit that would would be totally impossible for an ordinary person to do? I can't see any of the people on the world's richest men list being able to pull that shit off can you?[/spoiler]
And it's funny you mentioned Scream as I think there is another similarity. The whole genre of 'The bad guy is just much cleverer than everybody else' that Scream dabbled in (but Saw is a much worse culprit).
It's basically a get out clause for lazy writers who don't have to bother explaining anything properly. [spoiler]How did the guy behind Nemesis know that in 10 years all the events he'd laid down in that letter would come to pass? "He's just clever. Really clever. Much cleverer than you, the reader, so just sit there, mouth agape, while we fling this incomprehensible shit at you. Just remember, he just KNOWS because he's CLEVER, ok?"[/spoiler]
Nonsense.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 January, 2011, 08:29:38 AM
The script, art and lettering on The Pro were the absolute worst i have seen in a 'professional' comic in years. And the colours too. Barely competent, in fact.
SBT
You've read Stalag 666, right?
doesn't appear on the shelves in my local WHS as far as I can see. 2000ad and the megazine have been relocated to a much more prominent position however, which is nice.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 28 January, 2011, 09:56:49 AM
You've read Stalag 666, right?
Don't mention the war! ('Cos that's a different thread: http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,31728.0/topicseen.html (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,31728.0/topicseen.html))
Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 January, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 January, 2011, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 January, 2011, 08:58:00 AM
No, it's not just you. It was dogshit. And the so called 'twist'?
[spoiler]It's like a crap joke from a spoof! "He left the note 10 YEARS AGO!!!" HOW??? How did he know exactly all those things would happen? Is he psychic? It makes no sense. It's like a terrible B movie plot.[/spoiler]
Utter, utter hastily made up bullshit passed off as writing.
The art was lovely though.
No, that's not the twist. The twist is [spoiler]that the guy in the white costume isn't Nemesis at all- the 'nemesis' of the title refers to a businessman who gives rich psychopaths the opportunity to play out their supervillain fantasies, arming them with everything they need. After the impossible lengths they've gone to to stop him, the guy in the costume is only one of potentially many.[/spoiler] Like I said, a 'Scream' style franchise.
SBT
That is also stupid. [spoiler]If he was just a 'rich psychopath', how come he was able to single-handedly take out an entire swat team or any of the other amazing shit that would would be totally impossible for an ordinary person to do? I can't see any of the people on the world's richest men list being able to pull that shit off can you?[/spoiler]
And it's funny you mentioned Scream as I think there is another similarity. The whole genre of 'The bad guy is just much cleverer than everybody else' that Scream dabbled in (but Saw is a much worse culprit).
It's basically a get out clause for lazy writers who don't have to bother explaining anything properly. [spoiler]How did the guy behind Nemesis know that in 10 years all the events he'd laid down in that letter would come to pass? "He's just clever. Really clever. Much cleverer than you, the reader, so just sit there, mouth agape, while we fling this incomprehensible shit at you. Just remember, he just KNOWS because he's CLEVER, ok?"[/spoiler]
Nonsense.
[spoiler]Presumably it's just taking the 'Evil Batman' to its conclusion, Bruce Wayne is still just a highly trained rich guy and the deal is that they train the bored rich guys to the same level[/spoiler]
Quote from: Steve Green on 28 January, 2011, 10:37:38 AM
[spoiler]Presumably it's just taking the 'Evil Batman' to its conclusion, Bruce Wayne is still just a highly trained rich guy and the deal is that they train the bored rich guys to the same level[/spoiler]
I can see what Millar was aiming for, it just doesn't add up that's all. [spoiler]Bruce Wayne was a driven man with a powerful sense of justice which compelled him to devote his life to a cause. He trained for most of his life to be able to fight crime and I think HE'D struggle to take out an entire, armed swat team, out in the open without breaking a sweat.
Are we expected to believe that these rich, bored lunatics are prepared to undergo years of training to prepare for their short lived existence as 'super villains'? How long are these people supposed to have been trained for? Why do they do it?[/spoiler]
I feel like I'm being slapped in the face by this rubbish. I just can't see it as anything other than poorly written tripe I'm afraid.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 January, 2011, 10:51:44 AM
I feel like I'm being slapped in the face by this rubbish. I just can't see it as anything other than poorly written tripe I'm afraid.
What you're missing here is that there is a school of comics that holds that things don't have to make
any kind of sense as long as they are 'cool'. Cool in this sense usually means lots of ultra-violence, posing and quipping, but can occasionally mean striking visuals or black comedy. This is the school in which Millar works most of the time - just look at Inferno in Dredd, it ticks
all those boxes. Some people like it (and fair play to them), others (like you and I, apparently) feel like we're getting slapped in the face. Repeatedly. Learn to look away, I say!
I agree with Lee - the 'twist' in Nemesis was poorly thought out nonsense - the whole thing literally read like it was written by a 13 year old boy with ADHD.
Millar is a good ideas man - 'What if Batman were a bad guy', 'What if someone really tried to become a superhero?', 'What if the supervillains killed all the superheroes years ago and our world is a result of that?' are all neat concepts - but the execution is usually just totally slapdash.
Kick-Ass 2 is better, but the frequent references to Twitter and Glee are very grating and ensure that the whole thing will be laughably dated in a month or twos time.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 28 January, 2011, 09:56:49 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 January, 2011, 08:29:38 AM
The script, art and lettering on The Pro were the absolute worst i have seen in a 'professional' comic in years. And the colours too. Barely competent, in fact.
SBT
You've read Stalag 666, right?
It had decent lettering.
Quote from: radiator on 28 January, 2011, 12:03:25 PM
the whole thing literally read like it was written by a 13 year old boy with ADHD.
I protest on behalf of 13 year olds with ADHD
I really enjoyed Nemesis I'm afraid. The fact that the plotting doesn't hold up to scrutiny is neither here nor there for me, because it made me a laugh a few times and I really liked the art and action. That might make me the lowest common denominator but sometimes I'm not that fussy as long as something excites my brain on a base level. Basically I like a well made meal but that doesn't mean I won't dribble over the thought of a McDonalds now and then.
The rest of the issue was alright, the Future Shock didn't do anything for me and the text articles (Jackson and Wright interviews aside) didn't catch my interest this month. The Pro was great fun though (again, I know that doesn't make the most discerning reader!) and had a lot of madcap energy to spare, and the Jesus thingy at least had a hint that it might go somewhere pretty epic (eventually).
Turf was good, but not as good as usual. I think this episode made me uneasy because after such a great setup you can almost see where it's going to go, and there's hints that it might not be too interesting. Hopefully I'm wrong mind you.
I want to enjoy Kick Ass 2 (I enjoyed the first book) but it's in such tiny bursts that it doesn't even have time to register for me.
Well Nemesis was ...ok.
I have to say though, I bloody enjoyed The Pro! Was not expecting that!
Damn, just when I thought I was going to give this title up!
Clint's not a comic I've been following since issue one but the cover to issue six is interesting
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/02/clint-6-570x806.jpg)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/02/16/ian-rankin-writes-comic-for-clint-6/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/02/16/ian-rankin-writes-comic-for-clint-6/)
For the first time (I think) the fact that its a comic seems to be far more front and centre? Not just the image but also the little circle thing 'Biggest Comic in the UK'. Now this may well be due to other content not leading to a good cover but still is this a shift in emphasis... or am I reading too much into things AGAIN!
All I see is Abby Cornish.
Yes. That Abbey Cornish pic should be where Kick-Ass is, and vice versa!!! That would shift copies!!
Only just got round to reading The Pro - bloody hell it's bad. Puerile and unfunny. Lazy send ups of all the usual superhero types ::). I'm no fan of superhero comics, but if Ennis hates them as much as he appears to then why doesn't he just.... not write superhero comics?
I'm sure that Ennis is capable of better than this... Preacher was puerile, but at least it had heart and a decent narrative. I thought writers were supposed to mature, not regress.
Quote from: radiator on 16 February, 2011, 10:51:45 AM
Only just got round to reading The Pro - bloody hell it's bad. Puerile and unfunny.
It was rather puerile...., and there was WAY too much swearing. (The odd swear word here and there doesn't offend me but this was too much.) I'll admit, I don't mind puerile humour to some extent although the 'pee pee' bit went too far.
It did make me laugh though. Particularly the queue in the last panel. Hur, hur. And I liked the toony art.
Quote from: radiator on 16 February, 2011, 10:51:45 AM
Only just got round to reading The Pro - bloody hell it's bad. Puerile and unfunny. Lazy send ups of all the usual superhero types ::). I'm no fan of superhero comics, but if Ennis hates them as much as he appears to then why doesn't he just.... not write superhero comics?
I'm sure that Ennis is capable of better than this... Preacher was puerile, but at least it had heart and a decent narrative. I thought writers were supposed to mature, not regress.
Picked up Clint for the first time today and so far so hmmmm... It's definitely a teenagers comic rather than a mature audience one.
With regards to The Pro, Ennis is being lazy as this is just him writing the superheroes from The Boys except without any depth. I did laugh at it but at the same time was annoyed at the aforesaid laziness.
Quote from: radiator on 16 February, 2011, 10:51:45 AM
I'm sure that Ennis is capable of better than this... Preacher was puerile, but at least it had heart and a decent narrative. I thought writers were supposed to mature, not regress.
To be fair, The Pro is about ten years old.
Ah I didn't realise that - I thought it was quite recent. It's still balls though.
The whole thing of stripping established superheros of every shred of dignity is so tired. I seem to remember that Ennis did a much better job of this sort of thing in Hitman - where Batman et al were sent up in much gentler, wittier fashion.
I couldn't get into The Boys for the same reason - endless, tedious sniping at archetypal superheroes, and it just doesn't have any heart or warmth - Preacher always struck - for me - the perfect balance between spite and optimism - there was always the likes of Arseface to root for.
I love The Pro, mainly because it is peurile, because it made I laff! If you haven't read it before you may be surprised at the ending, though.
I was generally just disappointed with The Pro. It just seemed very lazy and cliched to me. I love The Boys, and I know this is older material, but still... This is the kind of stuff that was all over the small press about 20 years ago. No problems with the art though, just seemed wasted on the material.
Issue six rolls out... blah blah... More kick ass 2, but to be honest this is in such tiny chunks that ive completely lost the flow of it, American Jesus continues to be the most interesting thing in the comic, Turf i gave up after three pages, which is a shame as i'd been enjoying it up til now, Superior may as well have been called 'mark millar generic comic book number five'; is there any point to it at all? And as for The Pro, words fail me. It continues to be the most pathetic, badly drawn, obvious piece of shit currently being printed in british comics. Just fucking horrible. Really garth, 'superman's spunk comes out like a rocket, does it? Hilarious. Im sure the ten year old you first heard that joke from must be well chuffed you remembered it. And then flying with his pants down! Just fuck off.
That's probably my last issue. Especially as they've started making things like nemesis and turf more widely available in a nicer format. Oh, and future twister was... Ok, for what it was- but to be honest, there's better in the small press.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 06 March, 2011, 06:48:43 PM
That's probably my last issue.
Yep, same here. I'll probably just read the strips that appeal to me whilst loitering in W.H.Smiths from now on. Shame really. Must say that the artwork on 'Superior' from Leinil Yu is great though.
Yeah, i'll definately pick up nemesis, turf, american jesus and maybe ka2, IN PAPERBACK, and for not much more than a fiver apiece, once they're out. But there's absolutely nothing else in it to justify the expense each month. And the thing is, i have absolutely no confidence, based on what's been printed so far, that it'll get any better. I imagine myself as duncan bannatyne, seated before a cocky mark millar, and take great pleasure in farting out a very scottish "tharts et, ahm oot!".
SBT
I'm afraid I have to agree with all thats been said. Clint has gone down hill allready, which is a real shame. I'll probably not bother with it from here either. If I had more money, I would buy the meg over this any day.
Yeah, it's not looking good is it? My biggest problem with the magazine is the general editorial stance. I get that it's not aimed at me, which is fine. But this isn't even aimed at the youth / young adult market. It's aimed at fucking idiots. And fucking idiots don't generally read comics. And no matter how cool and 'down' with the fucking idiots Mark Millar gets, they're still not going to read his comics.
I'll probably give #6 a try and see how it goes. I enjoyed Nemesis, and American Jesus is good, Turf is nothing special but it looks okay, but The Pro is just dated (and it was likely dated when it was first published) and I wanted to enjoy Kick-Ass 2 but actually don't think I give a toss about it either way. And the 'Future Shocks' are like scripts that didn't even make it as far as Tharg's slush pile.
A shame really.
Quote from: chris_askham on 06 March, 2011, 10:11:21 PM
It's aimed at fucking idiots. And fucking idiots don't generally read comics. And no matter how cool and 'down' with the fucking idiots Mark Millar gets, they're still not going to read his comics.
This.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't Millar initially claim CLiNT was going to start off with big name creators as a hook to get people reading, and when the reprint material started running out, they would then gradually start phasing in content by new writers? Because, well, there doesn't seem to be much sign of that happening so far. In fact they just seem to be funnelling in more reprints. They're still only grudgingly giving a few pages over to newcomers, with Millar's mates always having priority. For God's sake, they had a strip written by Muriel Gray a couple of months back, you can't tell me there wasn't some nepotism involved there.
Seems my local newsagent stopped stocking it after the big delay in the issues so I haven't got issues #5 or 6, so it looks I'm officially out as it doesn't seem worth busting my hump over - I might look them up on eBay at some point if I get curious.
Blimey, it's gone all pear-shaped quicker than Toxic did, hasn't it?
& Toxic was a weekly.
I do wish that people wouldn't confuse an art style that they don't like with 'badly drawn'. There's a difference.
Carry on.
In that case, matt, nothing is badly drawn and there's no point discussing anything because it all ends up with 'we'll agree to disagree'. Alternatively, we could just agree that posting 'it's the worst drawn thing ive seen in professional comics since that dredd strip in the last case files, by lee (?) wotzisface' is my opinion- which it is- and that it's made even worse by the appalling, distracting, lettering. And leave it at that.
Carry on.
SBT
Threw the towel in with issue 4 after Tesco stopped getting it. It just wasn't worth the effort of traipsing to WH Smiths. I really wish it had been better and worth the effort. Shame (on me?). For the record I love The Boys and loved The Preacher(the comics you sods). Then again, I am a 47 year-old teenager. I'm growing old but you can't make me grow-up.
I gave up after issue 4. It's crap. I wanted it to be good, but it isn't. I expect after its high profile launch and mocking of 2000ad, its already a lot lower distribution.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 March, 2011, 11:15:40 AM
In that case, matt, nothing is badly drawn and there's no point discussing anything because it all ends up with 'we'll agree to disagree'.
Well no, not really. Obviously there
is bad artwork out there, the same as there's bad writing, lettering and colouring. I just think that, in this instance, you are confusing bad artwork with artwork that you just don't like the style of.
Quote from: SmallBlueThingAlternatively, we could just agree that posting 'it's the worst drawn thing ive seen in professional comics since that dredd strip in the last case files, by lee (?) wotzisface' is my opinion- which it is- and that it's made even worse by the appalling, distracting, lettering. And leave it at that.
Okay. You could probably stand to lose that massive chip on your shoulder, mind.
Quote from: SmallBlueThingCarry on.
SBT
Masive, MASSIVE chip...
I do wish that people wouldn't confuse an opinions that they don't like with 'massive chips'. There's a difference.
Carry on.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 07 March, 2011, 12:47:38 PM
I do wish that people wouldn't confuse an opinions that they don't like with 'massive chips'. There's a difference.
Carry on.
I wish people
wouldn't mangle the English language.
Carry on.
:thumbsup:
You know what, matt? I really wish that my phone's version of the board had the same 'ignore' function as the actual website. Because then, like all your other posts for the last few years, i wouldnt have seen it.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 March, 2011, 01:08:01 PM
You know what, matt? I really wish that my phone's version of the board had the same 'ignore' function as the actual website. Because then, like all your other posts for the last few years, i wouldnt have seen it.
SBT
What
is your problem with me, exactly Steve*? Once in a blue moon, I'll dare to question something that you have to say and you immediately come back like some easily offended 12 year old. I haven't quite worked out yet if you do this to everyone that questions your opinions, or if it's just me (and to be honest, I spent a long time ignoring you as well, so I honestly don't know).
Unless you
do react the same way with everyone, then you clearly
have got a massive chip on your shoulder where I'm concerned- and whereas I have no real leads as to why this is, it isn't the first time that you've overreacted to a perfectly reasonable observation that I've made- so it
is worth pointing out, I think.
Other than that- please feel free to ignore me the old fashioned way, if that will help you to move on- but please
do move on, Steve. Life really is too short.
*rhetorical question- does not require an actual answer.
For the sake of the board, and to prevent it from descending into the kind off spiteful chaos that all too often occurs in this type of situation, let's just agree to keep on ignoring each other then.
(Response to your question deleted, as it makes no one a bigger man to get into such things, and yes i agree that life is too short).
SBT
Actually, I've not been ignoring you for quite some time now and have no plans to do so either. You can do whatever you like, of course.
Quote from: Emperor on 07 March, 2011, 03:15:38 AM
Seems my local newsagent stopped stocking it after the big delay in the issues so I haven't got issues #5 or 6, so it looks I'm officially out as it doesn't seem worth busting my hump over - I might look them up on eBay at some point if I get curious.
Exactly the same thing at my end - even if I wanted to continue buying it, I can't find the bloody thing anymore. But I was wavering anyway. Probably just go for the TPBs of Turf and KA2 ar some point down the line.
They stopped stocking it in my local WHS too after the delays. I ordered a couple on ebay and got the last from FP on my jaunt there with the London posse. (Oo 'ark at me with the street talk...)
I've met Steev. A nice bloke. Doesn't come across very 'chippy shouldery'* at all. (I'm not just saying that because he gave me some videos...)
I disagree that The Pro is badly drawn though, and I do see a difference between disliking a style and it being badly drawn. There's some art I'm not keen on but I can see it is technically good and the artist has talent. On the other hand, there's some art I've thought of as technically rubbish which is considered classic... (I don't mean just comic art here, I'm talking art in general) so I could be wrong on that score. Maybe it is all in the mind of the beholder after all.
Anyhoo, I like the toony style Art on The Pro. The humour is very puerile, and I think they went too far with the [spoiler]blow job scene[/spoiler]... but I'll admit the off-shoot (you can take that literally) made me chuckle.(I saw the end gag coming (oo-er) a mile off, but it still made me smile when it did.) I'm sure Kevin Smith came up with a similar idea first though.
Turf, continues to be good, but it did feel a bit slower this week for some reason. I think the overall arc is good, but the pacing seems to rise and dip issue to issue.
Kick-Ass 2: I like this, but I do feel it should move on more, or we should get longer bites of it. [spoiler]Considering these guys are supposed to be heroes, and they had that gang leader under control, wasn't the dog thing going too far? I get the idea that these are supposed to be 'heroes in the real world'. I understand that they don't have powers, and that means over-compensating, which in turn can mean REALLY hurting people but that was just vicious for the sake of it. Then again, maybe that's the point. Kick-Ass seemed shocked at their leader's violence too, amusingly counterpointed by his disdain of swearing. Will there be a conflict between them? [/spoiler] Could be interesting.
I like the series overall. Probably best read as a volume. (I've still yet to read the first, or see the film for that matter.)
American Jesus: I was nervous about this series to start with. I was worried it would be all blasphemous and 'shock factor', something Millar is somewhat renowned for, possibly unjustly, I haven't read enough of his stuff to be sure. This actually turned out to be rather sensitive and thought provoking. (Jesus won't come back that way though. But I'm wondering if there's going to be a twist, and he is someone else...)
Superior: I quite enjoyed this... but I noticed that the way the kid gained his powers was almost exactly the same as the wench in The Pro. (Different author, but even so.) I think the dichotomy of the fact the kid is disabled could provide something interesting to explore though.
Space Oddity: Not bad, but not very good. Nowhere near as good as our own Future Shocks though. In Muriel Gray's defence I thought her story a month or two ago was actually rather good, although I found the art rather Disney. (Technically good, but not my taste. ;p) I don't disagree, that everyone else who submits should be given an even chance. I've a script on the go for them at the moment actually, although it's a bit different to what they've published, so I think it probably wont make it. I think it's better than some of the stuff they have published though, if I can blow my own trumpet. (That's saying something as I tend to be rather self critical.)
*Intentional bad use of grammar there, in case someone pulls me up.
Mardroid, I AM NEVER SPEAKING TO YOU AGAIN! FLOUNCY FLOUNCY HUFF HUFF!
No, i jest. Im glad youre enjoying, sort of, american jesus. I dont have any religious convictions whatsoever, but know that you do and was interested in your thoughts about it, without particularly wanting to bring it up when ive seen you, as i know these things never end well. But you seem a level headed sort, so maybe we'll attack that one next time. If worst comes to the worst we can pull each others' hair while we fight! :-D
For the record, ive never had a 'chip' on my shoulder, but early in my career, someone i was working with did put two nuggets of human poo on my shoulders as i was persuading them to stop shitting all over the lounge.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 March, 2011, 06:37:53 PM
But you seem a level headed sort, so maybe we'll attack that one next time. If worst comes to the worst we can pull each others' hair while we fight! :-D
Having seen your long flowing locks, that made me chuckle. (Come to think of it, I haven't got a whole lot to hold on to either.)
Quote from: Mardroid on 07 March, 2011, 06:21:21 PM
I've met Steev. A nice bloke. Doesn't come across very 'chippy shouldery'* at all.
To be fair, I
did clarify that he has a chip on his shoulder where
I'm concerned...
Amazingly issue 6 has arrived in the little Easons shop in Heuston Station, which is a surprise because although they've stocked it since the start, they are yet to sell - as far as I can make out - a single copy to anybody other than me!! I check it every single day when I get to the station and the copies (after I bought mine) just don't shift. Now I'm wondering if I'm even going to bother with number 6 myself or not!!
I liked issue 6 of Clint.
There, I said it! :D
I liked it, too - in particular, the Ian Rankin strip made me go out and get a copy of the original short story it was based on, so job done there if nothing else.
I liked it too, I even find The Pro quite amusing. Actually thought the Rankin strip was the weakest. Unless I'm missing some layer to it, it just seemed incredibly basic, even for the short format. I'm still finding it's a nice compliment to my monthly comic reading (which only really consists of 2000AD, the Meg and CLiNT). It is very noticeable how much of it is Millar-written though.
It's no 2000AD, but then I've got a mate who dropped the prog after a couple of months but is still pretty happy with CLiNT, mainly because of Turf I think.
Quote from: strontium_dog_90 on 08 March, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
I liked it, too - in particular, the Ian Rankin strip made me go out and get a copy of the original short story it was based on, so job done there if nothing else.
See, I thought that was utter rubbish. The art was poor and the story was non existant.
I've been struggling to work up any enthusiasm to read issue 6. I read Kick Ass which was OK but, as literaly everybody else has said, it needs more pages per issue.
I read American Jesus which I also enjoyed, and the Ian Rankin strip which I would consider to be fairly poor quality even for a small press story, let alone a high profile publication like this.
I keep almost starting to read Turf, then deciding against it.
Same with The Pro and Superior...*sigh*...I've only skimmed them but I got the gist. Is anyone else bored senseless with stories that examine and poke fun at the phenomenon of the superhero? It's been done to death now surely. 'Ooh look, Superman's getting a blow job *titter!*', 'Ooh, aren't Batman and Robin gay!'.......Fuck off. It's all been said before, better and funnier.
Watchmen, Top Ten and Marshall Law collectively said everything worth saying as far as taking a sideways look at superheroes goes, everything else has been boring, obvious, tired and obnoxious. It mostly seems to be written by Garth Ennis and Mark Millar too although I don't make a habit of reading their stuff outside of CLiNT.
The Boys is plowing a similar boring, obvious furrow and that's shit too.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 08 March, 2011, 01:54:37 PM
Same with The Pro and Superior...*sigh*...I've only skimmed them but I got the gist. Is anyone else bored senseless with stories that examine and poke fun at the phenomenon of the superhero? It's been done to death now surely. 'Ooh look, Superman's getting a blow job *titter!*', 'Ooh, aren't Batman and Robin gay!'.......Fuck off. It's all been said before, better and funnier.
Well, yeah,
The Pro is also ten years old now! :-)
Which actually is my biggest concern about
CLiNT (which i STILL have yet to see an issue of) -- most of the comic material in it? I've already seen it before. And I don't mean "It's the same old same old," I mean I LITERALLY have already read most of it. Seeing
KICK-ASS 2 before Marvel gets around to it would be nice, but by the time I ever see an issue of the magazine it'll be out via Icon.
Quote from: gdwessel on 09 March, 2011, 03:24:47 PM
Well, yeah, The Pro is also ten years old now! :-)
Just because something is ten years old doesn't excuse it from being badly written. There are plenty of comics older than ten years that have stood the test of time. I would imagine that The Pro read just as badly ten years ago.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 08 March, 2011, 01:54:37 PM
The Boys is plowing a similar boring, obvious furrow and that's shit too.
To be fair to
The Boys, it's moved on from there to become a love story mixed with a fairly interesting alternate-history political conspiracy thing. And the superhero bashing stuff
was pretty funny.
Quote from: chris_askham on 09 March, 2011, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: gdwessel on 09 March, 2011, 03:24:47 PM
Well, yeah, The Pro is also ten years old now! :-)
Just because something is ten years old doesn't excuse it from being badly written. There are plenty of comics older than ten years that have stood the test of time. I would imagine that The Pro read just as badly ten years ago.
Assuming, of course, you think
The Pro does or did read badly to begin with. (*I* thought it was funny when I read it, but then, in fairness, Ennis had settled into his Ennis-by-numbers routine by then, which was starting to get annoying...)
Actually, the friend I mentioned has just texted me saying he's thinking of replacing CLiNT with a Meg sub :) I suggested the weekly instead but he's more into the monthly idea, which might be why he preferred CLiNT to when he was buying the prog. The Meg's cheaper on a sub than the weekly too, which has probably swung it.
Got issue 6 yesterday and really enjoyed it.
Superior looks like it could be closer to the American Jesus end of the Millar scale than Kick Ass or Nemesis (not that there is anything wrong with those types).
I don't have a problem with the short chunks of Kick Ass either. It's not affectring my enjoyment of the story and serves a purpose in having a consistent 'flagship' strip at the top of the issue, while all the others are minis or limited runs or whatever.
Anyone else pick up the latest issue at Kapow this weekend? apparently this was a special "preview" copy as it won't be on sale in shops until later on this week. Seeing as it was due out last week they're clearly still struggling with the scheduling. In fact, I notice that they haven't given a date for when the next issue will be out, the preview page just says "next month."
As for the issue itself, well Turf was ok but everything else just seems to plod along as usual. KA2 is suffering from the lack of pages each month - just not enough for me to get into. Did Garth Ennis write The Pro when he was about 13? It seems like it to me.
I wasn't too imnpressed by the first issue, but I recently gave issue 6 a go just to see if it had improved - I found it to be a mixed bag.
Turf is still cliche-ridden and overwritten, The Pro reads like all the bits that were too childish or not funny enough for the Boys, Kick Ass never really inerersted me first time round (or the movie), the sequel leaves me equally cold. Ian Rankin's short tale was okay - a Crime Shock, rather than a Future Shock, but not that shocking. Lovely art though.
It's not all bad, as I did enjoy Superior and American Jesus, and may seek these out in collections (who'd have thunk it - my favourite bits of an anthology title are scripted by Mark Millar!)
The articles however were either nasty or had been done a million times before (yet another Stan Lee interview? ho hum!). I found the 'child stars' article not only a cliched rehash of well-worn anecdotes, but actually quite offensive - we're talking about damaged and exploited children here, so is it really acceptable to make jokes about "getting on with the in-laws" when discussing Dana Plato's tragic suicide? Jimmy Carr's Q&A thing scaled new heights of pointlessness.
Therefore I don't think I'll be buying this in future. A couple of good strips in a sea of dross and nastiness - no thanks. I did see the latest one in FP at the weekend - at least they've stopped putting the obligatory booby lady photo on the front!
The new issue (with final part of american jesus) was on sale in Forbidden Planet on Saturday. I had a flick through, and apart from a brief twang at missing the aforementioned AJ episode, quickly put it back on the shelf.
SBT
I think I'm about ready to part company with CLiNT now.
Reasons being;
I've never really liked any Mark Millar or Garth Ennis stuff anyway.
Nemesis was absolute shite.
The Pro is insultingly bad.
Kick Ass 2 in too small portions.
Turf is ok but not great.
American Jesus is sort of ok.
Superior doesn't appear to be heading anywhere new or interesting.
The articles are all annoying and rubbish.
There's never going to be anything for me in it, there's only going to be more Millar/Ennis style comics for easily impressed adolescents who think swearing, tits and violence equate to material intended for 'mature' audiences.
I'm nearly 40 and not easily impressed.
I started buying it for a number of reasons, not least because I felt a sense of excitement that there was a new comic on British newsagent shelves. I gave it a fair chance and it's not doing anything to keep me interested.
Goodbye CLiNT.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 11 April, 2011, 01:54:51 PM
I started buying it for a number of reasons, not least because I felt a sense of excitement that there was a new comic on British newsagent shelves. I gave it a fair chance and it's not doing anything to keep me interested.
Goodbye CLiNT.
Similar story for me. I was buying it more out of a sense that I should support it, not because it was any good. I wonder what the uptake is like now. Fingers crossed for 'Strip'
also stop buying it cos millar lied about dredd news at kapow that'll teah him... :D
QuoteFingers crossed for 'Strip'
That it's good, or that it actually comes out at all?
the latter for now ::)
Yeah I'm in two minds about carrying on with Clint - the first few issues had a pretty strong line-up, but Nemesis quickly devolved into rubbish, The Pro is dreadful and both Superior and American Jesus bore me senseless. Rex Royd is very weak also.
Turf is OK, but the combination of slightly wooden artwork and too many captions to read conspire to make it a bit of a slog to read.
I enjoy Kick Ass 2, but as others have said, it suffers from being serialised in such short episodes, as it clearly isn't written primarily for this format as the succinct, punchy episodes of 2000ad/Megazine series tend to be.
Occasionally they'll be something special like Stewart Lee's one-off strip from a couple of months ago, so I'm hoping there's more stuff like that in the pipeline. I think I read somewhere that Jimmy Carr is also writing a comic for Clint - could be horrendous but also could turn out to be interesting - I do like Carr as a panel show guest/interviewee though I'm not keen on his stand up material.
Quote from: GordonR on 11 April, 2011, 02:18:42 PM
QuoteFingers crossed for 'Strip'
That it's good, or that it actually comes out at all?
Both, and also that it's a stellar success.
Hmmmm... Stevie can't help but notice that Titan haven't solicited Clint in the latest issue of Previews.
I picked up Clint #7 today, so it is definitely still coming out. I'm going to have to eBay up #5 now.
Did anything ever come of the myriad CLiNT submissions that Millar solicited via his website?
I have never read a page of the magazine, but I have found myself wondering whether Millar was actually looking for new talent to put in it or whether he was just using that as a way of getting comic people interested in his new venture.
Yes some of them have been run, including the one from the guy I think Chris Askham knows.
Quote from: Emperor on 28 April, 2011, 08:38:29 PM
Yes some of them have been run, including the one from the guy I think Chris Askham knows.
I didn't think I knew anyone who had been published in Clint, but I could be wrong.
Just got the new one today - I'm still really enjoying it, I have to say - even The Pro, which I've read before, raises a fair few smiles. Still eagerly awaiting the return of Rex Royd, though, just to see what lunacy comes next.
You must be reading it wrong. You're supposed to hate everything about it, surely?
;)
Quote from: chris_askham on 29 April, 2011, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 28 April, 2011, 08:38:29 PM
Yes some of them have been run, including the one from the guy I think Chris Askham knows.
I didn't think I knew anyone who had been published in Clint, but I could be wrong.
Has the one by Stephen Baskerville been printed?
If so, I used to work with him.
Claim to fame no.4a.
Dunk! - it's not who you know, it's what time is lunch?
Has the one by Stephen Baskerville been printed?
If so, I used to work with him.
Claim to fame no.4a.
Dunk! - it's not who you know, it's what time is lunch?
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Yeah, that was the Space Oddities strip this month. Pretty cool, too.
If anyone is still interested there is a new issue of Clint out now. I picked it up in WH Smith today but haven't had a chance to read it yet.
I've given up on Clint now.
I only got the last one for the end of American Jesus and that wasn't great. I like Kick Ass but will wait for the trade. I enjoyed Turf for a while but it's not really doing much for me now but I may grab a trade later.
Just wondering what strips end in the latest issue?
Last part of The Pro, but it appears to just be the end of volume 1 as it's back again next issue.
Quote from: Albion on 18 May, 2011, 10:57:10 AM
I've given up on Clint now.
I only got the last one for the end of American Jesus and that wasn't great.
I didn't mind it, but [spoiler]I saw that twist way off. Partly due to my own knowledge of the Bible (but I wasn't really going by that, as writers tend to pick and choose what to go with) and also cos it was suggested quite strongly a couple of issues back.[/spoiler]
I enjoyed it though, and it didn't have that sense of nastiness that you get with some of Millar's strips. (I read the first volume of Kick-Ass recently and it's even there, although I do like it overall.)
Weird thing is, at the end it said 'to be continued', while on the cover it stated it was the last issue. I'm not sure if that was an error (i.e. all the other strips have that caption and they forgot to change it) or if this is just the first part of the last 'section'*, so there's more to come, or if it's a reference to a sequel series down the road.
Anyhow. As a whole I don't mind Clint. Turf's a bit slow moving now and I'd like more Kick-ass stuff. I found the Pro quite amusing but it's getting a bit tiresome now and I find the constant swearing annoying. I'm not offended by the odd swear word here and there, including the real bad words. But an f or c word in nearly every peech bubble of the main character just makes me feel a bit dirty after reading it. And not in a good way. ;)
Superior is a bit too generic 'new superhero discovering his powers' at the moment but I like the twist that the kid is otherwise disabled. I think it could explore some interesting territory. It also seems quite good natured too. I like dark stuff, but not all the time.
*for want of a better word.
I saw the latest Clint today when I picked up the prog. Dear me the cover looked vulgar. I'm almost too embarrassed to pick it up and take it to the till! (Not that I did. But I probably will. I've been reading KA2 and Turf so far, and although the latter has lost steam a bit I prefer to finish a story.)
On the other hand it was a change from a generic Kick Ass and Hit Girl with (optional) celebrity picture. (Although to be fair they haven't all been like that, but it seems that way.)
Just gone to a nine-issues a year frequency, according to its own website. "Making the unofficial official", as Bleeding Cool accurately describes the scheduling change.
I've noticed, after the usual Millar-sized splurge of discussion about CLiNT, here and elsewhere, that public comment on it seems to have dropped away to near-nil. I had to go back to page 6 here to retrieve this topic.
It's no surprise to me really.
I thought Clint was marketed pretty well at the beginning. Selling it on the strength of Kick Ass and Frankie Boyle seemed like a good way to get people to pick up the first couple of issues. Unfortunately the content just wasn't / isn't good enough to keep people buying.
Fingers crossed that Strip will get right what Clint has gotten wrong.
Unfortunately the content just wasn't / isn't good enough to keep people buying (http://unfortunately%20the%20content%20just%20wasn't%20/%20isn't%20good%20enough%20to%20keep%20people%20buying)
That might not be such an issue, if the thing was actually out there on the shelves every month for people to buy.
Not being able to put out on schedule a monthly magazine which is mostly made up of reprint material is a fairly mystifying state of affairs.
I'd kinda assumed it had gone under already. Only ever saw it in Tesco but sure it hasnt been in there for a while.
That said I did recently hear Jimmy "If I was any less funny I'd be in America making Adam Sandler movies" Carr was doing something for it. Not overly impressed with the amount of stunt casting they seem to be doing. Didnt like Turf and the two parts of Frankie Boyles comic didnt do it for me either.
Sadly I do know a lot of sad fuckers who will and have been reading these purely to fucking tweet the celebrity at every turn telling them how great they thought it was... usually followed by a "oh... now can you RT this mate..."
The Daily Mail seem to be doing their bit to promote the comic...
http://lewstringer.blogspot.com/2011/07/daily-mails-attack-on-clint-provokes.html (http://lewstringer.blogspot.com/2011/07/daily-mails-attack-on-clint-provokes.html)
'tis a pity, but I've stopped buying it too. It stopped appearing in any WH Smiths near me, and considering it's mostly just reprints, I didn't really bother seeking out the issues I've missed. Ho hum! I do wonder if the Jimmy Carr strip's any good, though...
They returned to my WH SMiths a couple of months back. I've continued to buy (although I considered stopping) but mainly as I've bought it so far and two of the strips I started with (Turf, Kick-ASS 2) are still chugging along. (And I quite like them, although more KA per issue would be nice. Strange thing is 6 pages per issue is normal with 2000 AD, but when you're spoilt with more in the other strips, it's a bit noticeable.)
Actually there's a new secret agenty type strip (name skips my memory) which started a couple of weeks back which is actually rather interesting. I'm not over sure of the art (it's not particularly bad, it's just not my cup of tea, but it does the job) but the story is good. There's a bit of Randall and Hopkirk thing going on... but hopefully it won't be that. A bit of mystery is good.
And it's nice to have another strip that's not superhero/villain related. Not that I'm a superhero hater, it's just nice to mix things up a bit more.
It got seven issues support from me, but to be honest that was four or five too many. I saw an issue in fp london on saturday, but forgot to flick through to see if anything appealed, so i guess it's just below my radar. It probably pleases its audience, but that's not me. I wish Millar et al luck, and hope it goes back to monthly publication soon.
SBT
I've been a big supporter since it started, but was a bit disappointed, after all the hype, that the Jimmy Carr strip wasn't actually written by him, that he'd just come up with the plot and someone else had broken it down and put in the dialogue. Thought that was a bit of a let down, after the praise Millar seemed to have heaped upon it.
Well, I'm still getting it, although I've given up trying to second guess when it's due - I have a standing order at the newsies and whenever one comes out she just throws it my way when I pick up my Prog. Have to say, I'm still enjoying, perhaps more than I was in the early issues and I didn't have a problem with them.
The Pro is finished (the only one of it's reprints that I'd already read) and is due to be replaced by a returning Rex Royd (I may be in a minority of one but I'm quite excited to welcome that back) and the new Secret Agent thing (Who is Jake Elllis?) is looking very promising - I would have said it was more likely a schizophrenia thing than a haunting thing but they're hinting far too heavily at that now so I reckon it mustn't be.
The features, with the exception of the movie column, seem t have been phased out as well, leaving more pages of comics for the money so that's nice. Turf looks like it's due to end next issue as well and I'm enjoying trying to figure out what's going to replace it - Millar has said that the various upcoming Millarworld books will run in Clint but I don't think any of them are going to be out in time so God knows.
In all, I'm glad I stuck with it through the not perfect (but still good) early issues. I really think it's starting to find it's feet. It is a shame they don't seem to be able to settle into a decent schedule, but I reckon that'll come. It's just to be hoped it doesn't drive everyone off in the meantime.
I've seen a stack of copies of this magazine a both of the comic shops I frequent (here in the US). I was intrigued right up until I realized all the content was reprint material.
I think it bugs me more that the local shopes are supporting this reprint anthology and not, you know, 2000 AD.
I must admit I've been wondering if it'd slip to a 6 monthly schedule. It does seem to be the Mark Millar Monthly (now one-and-a-half-monthly but you lose the alliteration) and I suspect it'd die on its arse without him being involved (even if the scuttlebutt is that it is now being edited by one of the Titan staff), bringing in celebrity friends (even if they only plot a story, it is enough to get some news coverage) and provide the bulk of the content from reprints. However, his next batch of comics still seem a way off (with Supercrooks probably first down the pipe, with the Dave Gibbons and Frank Quitely one yet to be properly announced) so it might be they'll want to spin out what they've got until those comics are available. Perhaps 9-times-a-year will be enough for that, we'll have to wait and see.
I quite enjoyed some of the content. Trouble is, the marketing just seemed to be against anyone that has bought comics before. I felt Millar was basically telling me he didn't want me to read this. A bit like some ned offering drinks to anyone in the pub but waving a broken bottle to anyone that actually enjoys a pint. It just put me off even though I quite enjoyed some of the stories (not Rex Royd obviously or Superslut or whatever it was called).
Whenever theres a story in 2000AD I'm not enjoying, my criticism is invariably a variation on the "It doesnt work for a six page serial format, it feels like a longer comic chopped up"
Theres an art to writing for 6 page installments that I respect the hell out of but Clint is mainly longer comics chopped up
As Mr Lee would say... Nuff said
Money for old rope.
If Rex Royd's back I shall return to reading this in Smiths.
Yeah, I gave up on this after "American Jesus" finished as well.
Wanted to like it, "Turf" is OK and I was enjoying "Kick Ass 2" but there wasn't enough of it to carry the comic. Really liked Stewart Lee's strip about superheroes reading comics about dull people but that was it really. "Nemesis", which was great at first, lost all credibility after the 'vagina bomb'.
I think the problem is largely that, after seven issues, CLiNT still doesn't seem to have a clear direction or ethos. It's hard to define what it's actually about, other than just "cool shit" in general. The constantly changing line-up and features doesn't really help. I seem to remember that it was launched on a mandate of getting new talent published, but so far we've seen very little of that, with the majority of pages still being given over to the editor's mates. And himself.
Ditching the articles step in the right direction, as on the whole they were the kind of Nuts-lite filler that is already catered for elsewhere. But I also can't help thinking smacks of desperation.
Quote from: Goosegash on 06 July, 2011, 02:30:20 PM
I think the problem is largely that, after seven issues, CLiNT still doesn't seem to have a clear direction or ethos. It's hard to define what it's actually about, other than just "cool shit" in general. The constantly changing line-up and features doesn't really help. I seem to remember that it was launched on a mandate of getting new talent published, but so far we've seen very little of that, with the majority of pages still being given over to the editor's mates. And himself.
Ditching the articles step in the right direction, as on the whole they were the kind of Nuts-lite filler that is already catered for elsewhere. But I also can't help thinking smacks of desperation.
With you there completely.I am surprised it has lasted as long as it has and its tempting to think that it has lost its direction but i dont think it has because it was always MMs vanity project and it always was about MM and Co and the recruiting of new talent and the publicity around it was always just publicity and advertising/marketing and a carrot on a stick type situation.
New issue of Clint is out now and it is still plodding along the same as before. Still no coherent theme to it and KA2 still runs in ridiculously short episodes. This issue has their first letters page and Millar answers the question about why it's always running late. Basically it's KA2's fault as the artist has to fit it around all his Marvel work. It's not really surprising that it's only taken ten issues for the interest in this to drop right off - certainly if this forum is anything to go by. I'm still buying it but I'm really not sure why I'm bothering anymore.
Been looking forward to the new issue - has Rex Royd made its return?
No, that's next month. New strip this month is called Officer Downe.
I'm still buying Clint, despite not actually having read any of it for several months! I think mainly out of a sense that I should 'support' it as it's another comic on the stands, but also because I have a vague notion that I will one day sit down to read all of Turf and/or Kick-Ass 2 in one go...
It does have some really good things going for it - I thought the comic strip that Stewart Lee did was great - I just wish there was more content like that in it. I was mildly interested in the news that Jimmy Carr was also writing a strip, but in the event I couldn't summon up the enthusiasm to read it, as I hated the weak Manga-esque artwork so much (a few pages of which were visibly pixellated too - sloppy!).
Clint is brilliant. They have actually cut down the features for more comic action, what they now need is for shops like WH Smiths to stick it with the frakkin comics, not the lads mags.
Kick ass 2 is annoying, due to the length, but it IS exclusive to Clint.
Who Is Jake Ellis was totally new to me. Hadn't even heard of it, but it's a superbly intriguing story.
Officer Downe could be great, and is certainly played for some over the top laughs.
I like SUperior, and am interested to see wher it goes.
Turf was a good read, but went on a bit - I'm glad it's finally finished.
The only bad news is that next month the supremely shit Rex Royd is back. Booo.
I read one episode of Superior and that was enough for me - couldn't stand it, and though i initially thought Nemesis was OK, by the end I thought it was a steaming pile of shite.
I think I've grown out of Mark Millar's work (perhaps Garth Ennis' also). ISTR enjoying his run on The Authority, but a lot of his recent material just makes me cringe it's so juvenile. I really hated The Pro too.
QuoteWho Is Jake Ellis was totally new to me. Hadn't even heard of it, but it's a superbly intriguing story.
I should probably give this a go, but I guess that the rubbish title has put me off in the past. AFAIK it's an original strip, isn't it? I don't think it's been published anywhere else...
Quote from: radiator on 20 August, 2011, 05:29:35 PMQuoteWho Is Jake Ellis was totally new to me. Hadn't even heard of it, but it's a superbly intriguing story.
I should probably give this a go, but I guess that the rubbish title has put me off in the past. AFAIK it's an original strip, isn't it? I don't think it's been published anywhere else...
Its an Image title that was released at the start of the year:
http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=31728
Officer Downe is a must read - someone saw Axe Cop promo artwork and tried to turn it into one of those strips Millar churned out by the truckload in the 1990s in the prog: pointless, contrived and hyperviolent. It's a car crash of a strip.
Otherwise I read Kick Ass - best get that Game of Thrones rip-off in there before the tv show gets that far, eh, Mark? - and leave the rest. I haven't read an entire issue for months and more just sort of support it than actually enjoy it or feel it's worth my money, though I did laugh at the letters page where Millar reassures someone that the scheduling and late shipping problems have now been solved, then you turn the page and the cover blurb tells you the next issue is coming out in seven weeks' time.
Haven't bought CLiNT for some months, so for some reason I picked up #10 to see if it had improved. Well, in a sense it had- The Pro was no longer in there. Sadly, Officer Downe was terrible and Who Is Jake Ellis- despite some entertainingly coloured art- wasn't much better. Kick Ass 2 was as bad as it was when I left it last, I didn't bother with Turf as it had lost me months ago, and Superior is just badly drawn teenage power fantasy crap. It's hard to put into words just how much CLiNT #10 annoyed me, and I can't believe I actually paid for this guff. Makes you all the more conscious of the quality of the Prog and bits of the Meg.
Shoved it in the recycling bag straight after reading, I'm afraid. See it's gone six-weekly. Good.
SBT
I've never really read Clint, been saving money for a long time and it doesn't really grab me. Still, I was rooting for it, being a British comics fan in general, and am saddened (despite my not supporting it) to see it's probably going to fold soon. Seems to be the way of every adult comic in Britain that isn't Viz or 2000ad / Megazine.
I haven't even been able to find it in my local W H Smiths.
I was thinking of stopping, but I wanted to finish the stories I'd started at least. Not that I've disliked it overall, my reaction has largely been positive. My main issue is supporting a comic with that title. not that the word 'Clint' is bad in itself, it's just so obvious the tacky joke they're trying to pull with their use of caps, lower-case, etc.
I've also been considering buying one or two of the new DC comics so I should free up other expenses. I have a job now, so it's not the issue it was, but being part-time low pay, I still need to be careful.
I'd like to finish Turf, and Kick-Ass 2 at least. And I don't dislike Superior, despite playing on common super-hero tropes. The fact the main character's alter ego is a disabled kid adds a little something, although I think similar things have been done before. I haven't read all that much superhero stuff. The new story with the invisible guy is genuinely intriguing and wouldn't be out of place in 2000 AD, although I found the art a bit getting used to. However since these stories haven't long been running I don't mind leaving them too much. I could always pick up the trade, but have more invested in the first two.
I still haven't picked up this months issue, and doubt I will now.
It's pretty hard to justify continuing to buy it, given that I could buy a trade of something I genuinely want for the cost of two or three issues of Clint (which is full of stuff I'm either vaguely interested in or can't stand)...
Wanted to see out Turf, but it feels like it's been running forever. Thought it was only a four issue miniseries?
I was genuinely embarrassed handing the issue with The Pro on the cover to the woman at the till in WH Smiths...
Quote from: radiator on 28 August, 2011, 03:26:26 PMI was genuinely embarrassed handing the issue with The Pro on the cover to the woman at the till in WH Smiths...
Do what I did - hide it inside some porn.
Quote from: radiator on 28 August, 2011, 03:26:26 PM
Wanted to see out Turf, but it feels like it's been running forever. Thought it was only a four issue miniseries?
If it helps, I think it is drawing to an end.
QuoteI was genuinely embarrassed handing the issue with The Pro on the cover to the woman at the till in WH Smiths...
Heh. I know the issue you mean. I felt a bit embarrassed too, although I think it was a fella who served me, so it wasn't so bad.
I've still been getting Clint (when I can find it) but haven't got #10 yet. I've been considering knocking it on the head, Radiator put it in perfect context there. I'd rather buy a trade than a couple of issues of it. Initially I found it exciting because I figured it would open my eyes to some stuff I didn't know about, but it's hardly covering a wide range of stuff with it being the Mark Millar show give or take a couple of celebrity stories. Will probably get to the end of Turf (or just borrow the last parts from a friend).
Has anything much really happened with KA2? I can't help but wonder how much longer clint can keep going ..
For anyone wot might be interested, the current issue's asking for submissions. Nothing online as far as I've been bothered to look so you'll just have to FLiCK through a copy.
CLiNT is still a great read, although the fucking abysmal Frankie Boyle strip Rex Roys is back this issue.
They have finally admitted it's a comic, and ditched the text stuff for the most part. Next issue there will be a big interview with Garth Ennis, this issue it's Millar (surprise!) and Dave Gibbons, who are pushing their Secret Service collaboartion due next year.
I know I seem to be in a minority round these parts, but I love Millar's stuff, and am enjoying CLiNT every month or so. From next issue KA2 is going full length as well, which will be nice. It's much darker than the first and it willbe interesting to see how a film version would go.
Submissions-wise, they want you to produce a new strip, in colour. Send a full outline and breakdown of the plot (Spoil it totally) plus 6 pages of completed art and lettering.
Is apparently getting a relaunch in May. Still looks much of a muchness?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/17/clint-magazine-to-relaunch-as-clint-2-0-in-may/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/17/clint-magazine-to-relaunch-as-clint-2-0-in-may/)
Interesting. Wonder if this is a 'last ditch attempt'. I can't see it as a positive sign of a comic doing well. Interesting that the i has had the dot changed in colour, toning down the 'Cunt' effect.
From
Mark at
MillarWorld:
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Just the second volume. We're relaunching every eighteen months or so like I do with Kick-Ass, Nemesis, etc.
More later. A press release just went out, but interviews still a week or two away. Stay tuned.
Oh, this is just the icing on the cake really:
QuoteThe desire to recruit new talent also seemed to dry up, with some people who were told their stories had been bought over a year ago, reporting that they have had no contact with the magazine since, save for the confirmation of their e-mail address.
So they've basically just fucked off everyone who contributed material, and haven't even the decency to offer an explanation? What a louse Millar is for pulling something like this, to claim that his intention was to launch new UK comics talent, and then to just turn round and go "Oh no, actually, it's just going to be stuff by me and my showbiz mates. Ta ta!" Fuck him and his shitty comics.
Quote from: Goosegash on 17 February, 2012, 05:23:46 PM
Oh, this is just the icing on the cake really:
QuoteThe desire to recruit new talent also seemed to dry up, with some people who were told their stories had been bought over a year ago, reporting that they have had no contact with the magazine since, save for the confirmation of their e-mail address.
So they've basically just fucked off everyone who contributed material, and haven't even the decency to offer an explanation? What a louse Millar is for pulling something like this, to claim that his intention was to launch new UK comics talent, and then to just turn round and go "Oh no, actually, it's just going to be stuff by me and my showbiz mates. Ta ta!" Fuck him and his shitty comics.
To be fair, it's not Millar's fault. It's Titan ublishing's fault, they the guys who actually make CLiNT!!!
Maybe it's time for '2000ad featuring Clint'. Lol.
Gave up on it a few issues back.
Wonder if it will survive another year?
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 17 February, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: Goosegash on 17 February, 2012, 05:23:46 PM
Oh, this is just the icing on the cake really:
QuoteThe desire to recruit new talent also seemed to dry up, with some people who were told their stories had been bought over a year ago, reporting that they have had no contact with the magazine since, save for the confirmation of their e-mail address.
So they've basically just fucked off everyone who contributed material, and haven't even the decency to offer an explanation? What a louse Millar is for pulling something like this, to claim that his intention was to launch new UK comics talent, and then to just turn round and go "Oh no, actually, it's just going to be stuff by me and my showbiz mates. Ta ta!" Fuck him and his shitty comics.
To be fair, it's not Millar's fault. It's Titan ublishing's fault, they the guys who actually make CLiNT!!!
Millar's the guy who commissioned all the work.
Haven't seen any issues for a while, but it definitely seems to have lost the 'lad's mag' look.
the Lads Mag thing went out of the window and they decided that yes, it actually is a comic.
They printed my letter this issue, basically calling Frankie Boyle a cunt, which was nice. Can't stand Rex Royd, although the rest is good.
Basically I enjoy it, and it's good value, and this issue has a surprisingly good, large Marvel Comics interview section.
I fuckin love Frankie. He can't write comics for shit though.
I'm quite into Rex Royd, myself - I like the anything goes aspect of it. It's the fact the strip keeps coming and going with no real reliability that puts me off picking up every issue of the comic.
I read a quote from Frankie Boyle where he said that he wanted to do something quite experimental and unconventional with the narrative of Rex Royd. It's an admirable attempt, but there's an element of trying to run before you can walk about it.
he should have started off with a Future Shock or two!
Quote from: Alski on 18 February, 2012, 01:51:51 PM
he should have started off with a Future Shock or two!
Now THAT would have been worth reading :)
Quote from: Alski on 27 November, 2011, 03:02:06 PM
CLiNT is still a great read, although the fucking abysmal Frankie Boyle strip Rex Roys is back this issue.
I actually enjoyed it on its return as it started to become more coherent while remaining bonkers. Then the most recent one I read was back to not working for me as much. Mike Dowling's work keeps getting better though and he can clearly deliver the goodies when required - I also assume he has a better idea of what's going on, having access to the scripts, or perhaps not ;)
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 17 February, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 17 February, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: Goosegash on 17 February, 2012, 05:23:46 PM
Oh, this is just the icing on the cake really:
QuoteThe desire to recruit new talent also seemed to dry up, with some people who were told their stories had been bought over a year ago, reporting that they have had no contact with the magazine since, save for the confirmation of their e-mail address.
So they've basically just fucked off everyone who contributed material, and haven't even the decency to offer an explanation? What a louse Millar is for pulling something like this, to claim that his intention was to launch new UK comics talent, and then to just turn round and go "Oh no, actually, it's just going to be stuff by me and my showbiz mates. Ta ta!" Fuck him and his shitty comics.
To be fair, it's not Millar's fault. It's Titan ublishing's fault, they the guys who actually make CLiNT!!!
Millar's the guy who commissioned all the work.
My understanding is that he is rather hands-off at the moment. He has a lot of creator-owned work in the pipeline and all sorts of movie deals at different stages, so I assume he doesn't have the time to be too hands-on at the moment.
I've really enjoyed Clint, Mark Millars stuff is all good, Turf was good and the articles in the last few issues have been good, the main thing I don't like is the fact it comes out every 6 weeks, if they're gonna print stuff like Rex Royd or Graveyard of Empires, which are alright but are really "filler" as far I'm concerned, I'd rather they had a bit more "filler" and put it out monthly!.
The relaunch has been announced:
http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.com/2012/05/clint-revamps-more-strips-more-action.html
A big batch of Millar's new comics, Rex Royd and a new one also drawn by Mike Dowling. No sign of all of those one-offs and ideas for new series that he asked people to pitch to him (I hate to think of all the wasted hours there).
Yeh, it's out today. Just picked it up. Looks promising, I must say. The Dave Gibbons strip interests me the most. I'll post a mini revoew later. :-P
I also picked this up today- not read it yet, but on first glance the dave gibbons strip looks okay, rex royd baffling again and my good grud almighty lenil yu's artwork is fuck-ugly. I honestly dont think ive ever hated an art style more.
SBT
Maybe it's just snobbery on my part but Dave Gibbon's talents seem wasted on a Millar script.
Quote from: radiator on 25 May, 2012, 08:13:01 PM
Maybe it's just snobbery on my part but Dave Gibbon's talents seem wasted on a Millar script.
It's just your snobbery. The strip is the best "Millarworld" story since Kick-Ass & Nemesis.
Personally I think both Secret Service and Supercrooks are fantastic, art and story, as are Rex Royd and (especialy) Death Sentence.
CLiNT really has improved as a magazine since its early issues, and even at $7 per issue on import, it's the best value for the money on the stands.
I thought Nemesis was utter drivel.
Gibbons is a class act, Millar's writing is generally pretty trashy. Just seems an odd fit.
Gibbons may be looking to get in on a movie deal with a willing partner :D
I actually enjoyed Nemesis!!!
Well, I've just finished reading this re-booted Clint. Have to say, I'm extremely underwhelmed. "Supercrooks" art was about it's only saving grace. I quite liked it. Sadly, It's truly terrible story, ideas and dialogue wise. Millar on auto-pilot. I have no clue whats happening in Rex Royd. At all. Maybe I'm just not clever enough for it? As for "Secret Service".....it was OK. Gibbons artwork is, of course, fantastic. I like the setup of the first episode, too. So, it's a thumbs up for only one of the three strips from me. Not enough for me to continue to buy it from here, really.
I had planned to stop buying Clint when it reached the end of V1 but thought I'd give it another go. The new strips seem ok, especially Secret Servicwe which got off to a good start. Rex Royd however can just fuck off. It's an incoherent mess that becomes even more stupid with every issue. Any other editor would have put it in the bin rather than indulge this crap.
I had planned to stop buying too... until I saw that secret service and supercrooks were both featured. It's not that I'm a massive Millar fan but it seems to be such good value for money that it's silly not to buy it.
The newsagents I usually get this from had none in stock, although they also seem to have stopped stocking the Meg :(
Quote from: Danbell on 01 June, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
I had planned to stop buying too... until I saw that secret service and supercrooks were both featured. It's not that I'm a massive Millar fan but it seems to be such good value for money that it's silly not to buy it.
My tragic dilemma too, Danbell.
One US copy of either Secret Service or Supercrooks costs bout the same as Clint...
Shhiiiit, if anyone out there hates Millar that much, a copy of Clint is probably cheaper than a pack of toilet roll.
Review of the relaunch up on my blog
http://cool-stuff-you-will-like.blogspot.co.uk/
I thought i'd read on here that vol 2 #2 was out, but it doesnt appear to be. At least, nowhere i normally see it. Any idea when it's due?
SBT
It's due on the 5 th of this month.
filip
It's out now. I bought it in FP London yesterday.
sorry to necropost, but is CLiNT still a thing or has it gone the way of Crisis and Deadline? I can't find any reference to it on the web past 2.6. I haven't brought it since issue 3, just wondering like.
Quote from: James Stacey on 16 May, 2013, 04:15:53 PM
sorry to necropost, but is CLiNT still a thing or has it gone the way of Crisis and Deadline? I can't find any reference to it on the web past 2.6. I haven't brought it since issue 3, just wondering like.
Last I heard, they'd put it on hiatus until they had enough completed Kick Ass pages to be able to guarantee a chunk of it every issue.
Cheers
Jim
Wow, they can't have much faith in it outside its flagship strip then.
Quote from: James Stacey on 16 May, 2013, 04:22:05 PM
Wow, they can't have much faith in it outside its flagship strip then.
Millar said over on the MW forums that "Kick Ass is Clint's Judge Dredd".
You may make of that what you will.
Cheers!
Jim
I saw a new issue on the shelves two weeks ago, but I think it was a long time between the last coupla issues were released.
I stopped getting it a while back- it was great value, but always found itself at the bottom of my read pile (and mounting up).
Wonder if he'll include 'Jupiters Legacy' in the upcoming Vol 3 relaunch.
Would make it an attractive purchase even just for Quitely's stunning art.
I have a subscription, got it in time for the relaunch -- there was allegedly a new issue solicited by Diamond last week but I've yet to see it, either in store or in my mailbox.
I like the magazine, always have, but with issues getting stretched further apart, and DEATH SENTENCE coming in its own comic from Titan, don't think I'll be renewing it. Shame, it's fantastic value for the money, when it comes out. Plus, I know some people from the Millarworld board who got burned over the "Space Oddities" thing...
I too am a big fan of Clint but the gap between issues is a disgrace, especially when it's 90% reprint material!, and if Kick Ass is their Dredd what will they do when vol 3 finishes?...although at this rate that will be some years off yet!!.
Quote from: Link Prime on 16 May, 2013, 06:48:04 PM
Wonder if he'll include 'Jupiters Legacy' in the upcoming Vol 3 relaunch.
Would make it an attractive purchase even just for Quitely's stunning art.
Fingers crossed. This, Gibbons on
Wanted for the Adsa Generation meets Watchmen via James Bond Secret Service & MontyNero/Mike's Dowling's genuinely excellent
Death Sentence printed at
proper comic size are the only reasons that Stevie's been staying with this.
Quote from: djangoesque on 16 May, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
I too am a big fan of Clint but the gap between issues is a disgrace, especially when it's 90% reprint material!, and if Kick Ass is their Dredd what will they do when vol 3 finishes?...although at this rate that will be some years off yet!!.
Ya i was thinking that. It's ridiculous though it could have so much potential. If they upped their submissions team and made it an anthology title with full length comics from brand new creators instead of relying on millars commercial properties. Id say itd still sell if it had good comic/movie articles in it, I'd pick it up for one. i got volume 1 of it but stuff like getting 6 (6!) pages of kick-ass in an issue is just pointless. save money by waiting for the trades and millars work works better all in one anyway
I'm subscribed to it, and still enjoying it. But I'm missing Rex Royd.
That said, the one-off this month was pretty good. Hope we see more of those!
Quote from: LorcanQ on 17 May, 2013, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: djangoesque on 16 May, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
I too am a big fan of Clint but the gap between issues is a disgrace, especially when it's 90% reprint material!, and if Kick Ass is their Dredd what will they do when vol 3 finishes?...although at this rate that will be some years off yet!!.
Ya i was thinking that. It's ridiculous though it could have so much potential. If they upped their submissions team and made it an anthology title with full length comics from brand new creators instead of relying on millars commercial properties. Id say itd still sell if it had good comic/movie articles in it, I'd pick it up for one. i got volume 1 of it but stuff like getting 6 (6!) pages of kick-ass in an issue is just pointless. save money by waiting for the trades and millars work works better all in one anyway
Makes you appreciate 2000AD and the Meg even more, all original (at the moment at least) and I don't think they've ever been late!.
Quote from: gdwessel on 16 May, 2013, 09:18:19 PM
I have a subscription, got it in time for the relaunch -- there was allegedly a new issue solicited by Diamond last week but I've yet to see it, either in store or in my mailbox.
I like the magazine, always have, but with issues getting stretched further apart, and DEATH SENTENCE coming in its own comic from Titan, don't think I'll be renewing it. Shame, it's fantastic value for the money, when it comes out. Plus, I know some people from the Millarworld board who got burned over the "Space Oddities" thing...
Did it turn up yet, dude? Hopefully just a postal delay, but if not let me know and I'll have a word.
Quote from: Montynero on 19 May, 2013, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: gdwessel on 16 May, 2013, 09:18:19 PM
I have a subscription, got it in time for the relaunch -- there was allegedly a new issue solicited by Diamond last week but I've yet to see it, either in store or in my mailbox.
I like the magazine, always have, but with issues getting stretched further apart, and DEATH SENTENCE coming in its own comic from Titan, don't think I'll be renewing it. Shame, it's fantastic value for the money, when it comes out. Plus, I know some people from the Millarworld board who got burned over the "Space Oddities" thing...
Did it turn up yet, dude? Hopefully just a postal delay, but if not let me know and I'll have a word.
Showed up yesterday, as it happens. Thanks!
At last! :) Frustrating, I'm sure.
Personally, I really enjoyed the end of The Secret Service. Just having Dave Gibbons in a newsstand comic I can buy in WHSmiths makes me very happy.
Let me know what you think of the latest Death Sentence episode!