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#21
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by IndigoPrime - 10 May, 2024, 10:08:04 AMIf that was the intent, it is a sliver away from fridging. At best, it's manipulative. Like a movie that introduces a bunch of characters and LOVEABLE DOGGO. And then, like clockwork, LOVEABLE DOGGO IS DEAD.
I think it's also important to separate impact/sadness from a kind of anger/resignation. Arguably, "and only Dredd was left standing" is the least imaginative ending we can get in this kind of story. It's cliche. Dredd literally being saved by the cadet who survives ("I knew I liked you.") and then who goes on to be a surprising support cast member (given her not being the flashy one) would have been more interesting to me. But there you go. What's done is done, and I'm sure Williams wrote the strip he wanted, for the reasons he wanted to. And I at least liked all but one page of it, so that's overall a win.
I think it's also important to separate impact/sadness from a kind of anger/resignation. Arguably, "and only Dredd was left standing" is the least imaginative ending we can get in this kind of story. It's cliche. Dredd literally being saved by the cadet who survives ("I knew I liked you.") and then who goes on to be a surprising support cast member (given her not being the flashy one) would have been more interesting to me. But there you go. What's done is done, and I'm sure Williams wrote the strip he wanted, for the reasons he wanted to. And I at least liked all but one page of it, so that's overall a win.
#22
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by AlexF - 10 May, 2024, 10:02:25 AMAt the risk of getting back on topic,
While I too was/am sad about cadet Moon sacrificing herself to save Dredd (which is certainly what seems to have happened, even if Williams later shows that she surived and is rescued, and golly I hope he does that), I guess I have to credit Williams with just writing the story as a thing in itself.
Seems to me the gist is 'what's a foe Dredd hasn't faced before - I know, nature, in the guise of a giant grizzly bear'. And when you have an artist lined up whio is going to absolutely kill that scenario, you run with it. And as a standalone story, it makes sense that Dredd can't just 'win' in the end, he has to lose something, and the idea Williams mustered for that function was a promising cadet (other options could have included: letting a perp get away; giving up some kind of secret weapon to a perp; making a deal with the Sovs - or something?). Anyway, he went the emotional route, which only works if he makes us care about the cadet in question, and judging by the response on this thread he achieved that in spades!
For sure we long-term readers could interrogate the fact that there's a LONG history of 'promising young cadet = black or woman', but in each one-off instance it works, I guess?
All that said, my main reaction on the final page of this mini-epic was grumpy rather than sad.
While I too was/am sad about cadet Moon sacrificing herself to save Dredd (which is certainly what seems to have happened, even if Williams later shows that she surived and is rescued, and golly I hope he does that), I guess I have to credit Williams with just writing the story as a thing in itself.
Seems to me the gist is 'what's a foe Dredd hasn't faced before - I know, nature, in the guise of a giant grizzly bear'. And when you have an artist lined up whio is going to absolutely kill that scenario, you run with it. And as a standalone story, it makes sense that Dredd can't just 'win' in the end, he has to lose something, and the idea Williams mustered for that function was a promising cadet (other options could have included: letting a perp get away; giving up some kind of secret weapon to a perp; making a deal with the Sovs - or something?). Anyway, he went the emotional route, which only works if he makes us care about the cadet in question, and judging by the response on this thread he achieved that in spades!
For sure we long-term readers could interrogate the fact that there's a LONG history of 'promising young cadet = black or woman', but in each one-off instance it works, I guess?
All that said, my main reaction on the final page of this mini-epic was grumpy rather than sad.
#23
Off Topic / Re: Threadjacking!
Last post by JayzusB.Christ - 10 May, 2024, 09:58:59 AMStruggling with the after-effects of food poisoning, the following thought somehow popped into my mind: 'I bet Bambie Thug doesn't have to put up with this kind of thing'. Then I remembered that Bambie Thug had to put up with exactly that kind of thing last week, and I must say I felt better.
Not that I'd wish any harm on Bambie Thug, of course - I think they're brilliant and wish them the absolute best. Also it's great to Ireland represented by a non-binary, pagan type just as a little reminder that we've most definitely left the likes of Dana's priest-prescribed ultra-conservative shite behind us.
Not that I'd wish any harm on Bambie Thug, of course - I think they're brilliant and wish them the absolute best. Also it's great to Ireland represented by a non-binary, pagan type just as a little reminder that we've most definitely left the likes of Dana's priest-prescribed ultra-conservative shite behind us.
#24
Off Topic / Re: Threadjacking!
Last post by JohnW - 10 May, 2024, 09:02:08 AMBlitzkrieg in the Low Countries Day!
Celebrate by dressing up as a German paratrooper disguised as a Belgian nun.
Celebrate by dressing up as a German paratrooper disguised as a Belgian nun.
#25
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by The Enigmatic Dr X - 10 May, 2024, 08:54:13 AMDredd is sci-fi. Problem with aging? Implant his personality in a clone body. In fact, they could kill him and bring him back like that. In fact, there's probably a story there where they're doing that and he doesn't know they're doing it
#26
Music / Re: Mash-ups!
Last post by rogue69 - 10 May, 2024, 08:16:43 AMWild Cherry/ Rammstein (with Metallica) play that funky music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcUB-3lud60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcUB-3lud60
#27
Off Topic / Re: Boys Adventure comic blog
Last post by Richard S. - 10 May, 2024, 06:17:06 AM'The real Ghostbusters puzzlebuster' is a 6 issue publication from Marvel UK in 1990/91 - a really obscure one this! My covers gallery is half-complete - can you help with the missing issues? Let me know if you can, thanks!
https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2024/05/the-real-ghostbusters-puzzlebuster.html
https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2024/05/the-real-ghostbusters-puzzlebuster.html
#28
Classifieds / Mike McMahon Slaine print for ...
Last post by rogue69 - 10 May, 2024, 12:23:06 AMI am selling a limited edition Vice Press print (number 27 of 50) of Slaine by Mike McMahon on eBay Starting at £100 but I am open to offers
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116176446863
Alongside a Judge Dredd print signed by Mike Collins starting at £50
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116176451528
Plus an Origianl page for Savage book 9 by Patrick Goddard starting at £100
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116167125374
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116176446863
Alongside a Judge Dredd print signed by Mike Collins starting at £50
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116176451528
Plus an Origianl page for Savage book 9 by Patrick Goddard starting at £100
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116167125374
#29
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by A.Cow - 09 May, 2024, 11:49:06 PMQuote from: Funt Solo on 09 May, 2024, 07:02:49 PMWhat if the strip was still called Judge Dredd, but it was just about Mega-City One? You'd still have Fargo clones knocking about, but he'd be retired, or CJ, or teaching at the AoL, or dead.
Like Taggart or Blake's 7? They tried that once with Strontium Dog(s), and it didn't cut the mustard.
Nah, my money is on using clones as a form of regeneration -- as first tried in the Kraken storyline -- keep the lead, but change their character slightly.
Current Rico would be fine to be rebadgerated*, but it'd make more sense to bring in a younger model who would have to learn the ropes, preferably under Rico (and Dolman). (Even better, make it so the new Dredd is grown directly from cells taken from the dying Dredd; may not make any difference scientifically but it sure adds an authenticity to the new Dredd.)
* (© copyright A.Cow, 2024)
#30
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by Richard - 09 May, 2024, 10:25:12 PMWagner is on record as saying he'll never write it.