Reading the JD Restricted Files, a lot of the old strips have various characters uttering 'My God!' etc.
Without getting into a religious debate (Grud forbid) when was God replaced with Grud, and why ..?
On a similar note, we know Jovus is the Son of Grud, but does his mother have a name? I'm guessing Mavis.
Ah... the Virgin Mavis.
personally I like to say "Bod" istead of God, something I got from the "Nebulous" radio series.
And "Jebus" :P
if it's good enough for homer simpson it good enough for me.
JEBUS
The God-Grud name change was one way of referencing a Higher Power in a non-inflmammatory way (ie. bypassing using real-world names), and also selling the notion Judge Dredd was set in the future.
I imagine that originally, MC1 was supposed to be pretty much the entire focus of the Judge Dredd strip and that Grud was a clumping together of all the world religion faiths into one neat entity.
It appears that organised religion (in the Western world at least) is in the 22nd century in a far worse state than it was in 2010, its only practitioners considered crackpots and comedy relief.
In my my RPG books I occasionally mentioned an alternate name: The Original Holy, just as vague.
But does anyone know what a 'Greenie' is? Is it just alliteration or is it a reference to bogies?
M.
Quote from: John Caliber on 26 February, 2010, 09:07:51 AM
The God-Grud name change was one way of referencing a Higher Power in a non-inflmammatory way (ie. bypassing using real-world names), and also selling the notion Judge Dredd was set in the future.
I imagine that originally, MC1 was supposed to be pretty much the entire focus of the Judge Dredd strip and that Grud was a clumping together of all the world religion faiths into one neat entity.
It appears that organised religion (in the Western world at least) is in the 22nd century in a far worse state than it was in 2010, its only practitioners considered crackpots and comedy relief.
In my my RPG books I occasionally mentioned an alternate name: The Original Holy, just as vague.
Had to sift through the
crackpots and comedy relief to get to your reply, but thanks, John.
Quote from: Mikey on 26 February, 2010, 10:35:05 AM
But does anyone know what a 'Greenie' is? Is it just alliteration or is it a reference to bogies?
M.
I sense a short story coming up...
Quote from: Goatilocks on 26 February, 2010, 11:19:07 AM
Had to sift through the crackpots and comedy relief to get to your reply, but thanks, John.
What, all three of them? Yeah, I can see how "sifting" through that must have been
quite the chore.
Cheers!
Jim
Dear Jim,
You are fucking hilarious.
Quote from: Mikey on 26 February, 2010, 10:35:05 AM
But does anyone know what a 'Greenie' is? Is it just alliteration or is it a reference to bogies?
Rookie related, I always thought.
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 February, 2010, 10:35:50 AM
On a similar note, we know Jovus is the Son of Grud, but does his mother have a name? I'm guessing Mavis.
Do they have Jovus witnesses in MC1 ?
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 26 February, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Do they have Jovus witnesses in MC1 ?
Surely they'd be Jovus Witlesses?
"Holy Mavis, Mother of Grud" has definitely been used before and one of the characters definitely refers to "Jovus Witnesses" in this
http://www.2000adonline.com/vault/series/armageddon/story/the_bad_man
apparently confirming that "Jovus" came about as a misinterpretation of "Jehovah's".
couldn't work that link, but yeah, there was definitely a group called the Jovus Witlesses in MC1. Blind Iggy was one, from Joovz 'n' da Hood, a very violent but very good story from an old JD Mega Special. Anyone know which one?
The one with the silver cover I think.
And yeah, it's Jovus, Mavis and.... who? Who is the Meg Joseph? Other than OUR Joe, obviously. I mean biblically.
As for a non-inflamatory way of using "GOD" as a swear I always like "Cod" - It suggests a fishy afterlife. Which sounds fun for several boarders.
I thought it might have been an interesting take that the dominant religion was conjured up by Justice Department to have another route into controlling the citizens.
Extra taxes via donations to the Church of Grud, extended PSU involvement from confessions to priests etc.
Quote from: Mikey on 26 February, 2010, 10:35:05 AM
But does anyone know what a 'Greenie' is? Is it just alliteration or is it a reference to bogies?
I asked this very question of a clever man I know a couple of weeks ago. He said he'd always assumed 'Grud on a Greenie' was Megspeak for 'Christ on a Bike', with greenie a term for the environmentally friendly mode of transport, and alliteration excusing the replacement of The Son with The Father.
Ned
Quote from: ned-kogar on 04 March, 2010, 10:05:39 PM
He said he'd always assumed 'Grud on a Greenie' was Megspeak for 'Christ on a Bike'
That was always my thinking.
Isn't it "the church of Grud the Confessor"?, suiting the justice/guilt theme of the city.
Quote from: ned-kogar on 04 March, 2010, 10:05:39 PM
He said he'd always assumed 'Grud on a Greenie' was Megspeak for 'Christ on a Bike', with greenie a term for the environmentally friendly mode of transport, and alliteration excusing the replacement of The Son with The Father.
That's a very nice ex post facto rationalization! I'm fairly sure Grud's been riding a greenie way longer than we've been talking about 'green' transport etc. 'Christ on a bike' is about right; 'greenie' just happens to alliterate nicely. You couldn't wish for a nicer coincidence in the green associations of bike riding. Simple and elegant.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 27 February, 2010, 02:10:51 AM
"Holy Mavis, Mother of Grud" has definitely been used before and one of the characters definitely refers to "Jovus Witnesses" in this
http://www.2000adonline.com/vault/series/armageddon/story/the_bad_man
apparently confirming that "Jovus" came about as a misinterpretation of "Jehovah's".
It was just a passing thought and i dont know the strip as theres lots of material i havent read.
And there i was thinking that i had an original thought when i was sitting here laughing to myself about it yet when its pointed out that its deliberate play on words it seems so obvious.
I've always thought it most likely that a greenie was some form of transport, but I'm pretty certain "Grud on a bike!" has been used a few times in the past as well.