So, uh, when did 2000 AD get into league with Channel 5 and The Sun? Any possibility of 2000 AD appealing to kids just went right out the window. Panel 4 on p3 is just shameless.
Oh, and Steve Moore, if you're going to use patronymic suffixes AT LEAST SPELL THEM CORRECTLY. Thank you.
Yep, what IP said. I've a dreaded Space Girls sense of deja vu coming on
I have to admit that this is the first strip since the Fleisher era that I've given up reading before the end of the first episode.
you bunch of miseries... best thing in the prog!
"patronymic suffixes"
I went to a fucking terrible comprehensive, what's one of those?
Something that indicates your male parentage, like "Gunderson". Or like "von", I think.
I see... cheers. Another shadow of ignorance has been banished from my twilight mind.
Misspelt?
One of my colleagues at work here is called Freyja Birgisdottir. I think she's from Iceland.
Wake
BTW, Paul - where does "von Scott" come from? It's a cool name, but unusual in that (I think) it yokes together Germanic and Anglophonic naming traditions.
It comes from the land of madey uppy Dudley.
On my old internet website I had an austrian chthulhu agony uncle called Dr Von Scott (rathwe similar to the Rocky Horror Picture Show's Dr Von Scott, although I always assumed he was had changed his name to Dr Scott and Frankenfurter was commenting on the fact he used to be a Nazi rocket scientist). I later used it as a character in a boardgame, but I'll change it if I get it published as I don't want my name in the title,. I also use it because Paul Scott is common, and I never have a problem getting Paulvonscott on messageboards and the like.
As mentioned, patronymic suffixes denote lineage via a parent's name, rather than via surnames. Therefore, your father's name (or sometimes your mother's name) has "son" or "daughter" appended to it, depending on the gender of the person in question. Such things occur in British names, but only in an historical context (e.g. Johnson was originally a patronymic name - lit: John's son).
Iceland is one of the few countries to still use this system. The female suffix should be d?ttir, not merely dottir.
Oddly, you often have cyclic naming in Iceland, with children being named after their grandparents. Perhaps more bizarrely, from a foreigner's point of view, families can have several "surnames", because the mother and father take their parents' names, yet the children take (typically) the father's name. And, of course, if the offspring are of mixed gender, they have different "surnames".
So you're complaining about a missing accent in a story based in the 'far future'.
However, I just checked and I did put the accent in on Freyja's pigeonhole label, just not her Internet staff page.
Wake
But it's fecking gorgeous.
true
Bjorktastic!
(or rather, Bj?rktastic!)
Was this strip originally planned to be run as part of the Autumn Assault?
Just wondering with the all female line up and all.
The female suffix should be d?ttir, not merely dottir.
If you're going to be that pedantic, then you should also know that the d should have a line through it too. Try doing that without an Icelandic keyboard.
I knew this would cause a problem. At least he affixed the ...dottir and not ...son. Which whilst incorrect if they aren't married, is sometimes used apon marriage (by taking the male partners surname).
UKDane (surrounded by Icelandic nomads, in the centre of Denmark!)
What the hell - I was being pedantic. Then again, maybe that was justified: after all, I thought that my 2000 AD had suddenly been merged with The Sun or Loaded and needed to bring a little "education" back into the mix.
FORGET WHAT I JUST SAID, JUST rechecked the spelling.
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?etta er fyrir ALLA a? lesa.....og s?ni? ?llum ?etta sem
hafa tilhneigingu til a? f? s?r einn og aka svo!!
:: then you should also know that the d should have a
:: line through it too
Er, no it shouldn't. Icelandic uses the standard "d" for the word "d?ttir"; you are thinking of the letter "eth", which looks like this: ? (or ? as a capital letter), as used in words such as fer? (lit: "journey"). "Eth" is pronounced as per the English "th" diphthong. On the other hand, "d?ttir" is [roughly] pronounced "dot ear".
(I have to say, I don't know any Icelandic women that have taken the "son" name upon marriage, although I know some that have taken non-Icelandic surnames upon marriage, when living abroad.)
Oops. Posted at the same time! :)
My Icelandic is rusty: what is "tilhneigingu"?
I loved it..cant wait for the 1st epic
T.P.S
Er, no it shouldn't. Icelandic uses the standard "d" for the word "d?ttir"; you are thinking of the letter "eth", which looks like this: ? (or ? as a capital letter), as used in words such as fer? (lit: "journey"). "Eth" is pronounced as per the English "th" diphthong. On the other hand, "d?ttir" is [roughly] pronounced "dot ear".
As I posted...
FORGET WHAT I JUST SAID, JUST rechecked the spelling.
Having been told by Mrs Dane that It did, I then checked an email from her best mate (who's Icelandic)
Anyway. The story still isn't very good.
Heya guys!
Just out of interest, IndigoPrime how do you know Icelandic?
Val.
Yes, I know, hence why I said "Oops - posted at the same time". You can't delete posts on this board...
Also, you never told me what "tilhneigingu" means.
I used to live there - see the link below for a bunch of images I took while there.
Link: Images from Iceland
I initially thought WHAT THE FUCK? This was compounded when I read the ominous scene setting stuff,
However,,
When I read the story I thought it was pretty good, a little saucy yeah but nowt wrong with that. Bit of a Culture resonance/swipe, that drug-patching thing? I know it's gland implants in the Banks books but similar.
Outrageous fun so far, keep it up! (Fnar)
It?s fun. Silly but fun. Much better then Synnamon or DMW, because it doesn?t takes itself seriously.
Yes, I know, hence why I said "Oops - posted at the same time". You can't delete posts on this board...
And I posted at the same(ish) time here.
Also, you never told me what "tilhneigingu" means.
I have NO idea, I can't speak it. The entire phrase was copied from an email my wife got from her best mate, who is Icelandic. The email included a pps file of a drunk driver advert. If it's important I can find out tomorrow though.
I think the problem is that Moore sets up this neat idea of a future matriachy (Norse or not) and then somewhat ironically populates it with the stereotypical male-dominated ideal of blonde, lithe, semi-naked wank-fodder.
If a future world was really dominated by women (Norse or not), they'd be sat at home in their tracksuit bottoms, watching soap-operas and munching cake, with neither lipstick nor Queen-size dildo in sight.
I guess one has not to take the strip too seriously - as the Nerve Centre suggests. Indeed, the art is cracking and there are some nice ideas in the story. However, this was one Prog I did not read on the train this morning(!)
As a final point, I think it's more fun to cleverly cover up naked boobs with carefully-placed vases and wisps of hair etc., rather than flagrantly bounce them around.
M@
Nah - flagrant bouncing good :-)
Nah - no need. I guess I can always ask the missus if I want to know! :)
Well so far it's Barbarella with Nordic Space Lesbians - a winning pitch in todays Command module climate it seems. It's a lot better drawn than Space Girls, and seems to have more of a plot, so I'm not dismissing it too quickly, That said, just how many "sexy girly" tales can 2000AD take before reaching saturation point? Of the ones we've had recently, this one might be the most unnecessarily graphic (I kind of agree with all of mbanners points) but it might also turn out to be the most fun.
The only real 'problem' I have with Valkyries is the fairly obvious impression that I'm reading nothing more than the sexual fantasies of an old man who wants to be a Nordic Space Lesbian (we knew all about the slime thing, Mr Moore, but this is all a bit of a shock!) - a laudable aim to be sure, but perhaps a bit too transparent so far...?
And as Gary mentioned yesterday - it's very female Nikolai Danteish.
Well it seems fun enough so far, even if it is reminiscent of the Space Girls.
Or maybe more Pussyfoot 5 'cause you've got the fat blobby one.
Its not bad. It does remind me of Pussyfoot 5, though Im not entirely sure why. It did take a couple of reads to get into it, but that may be due to the large number of characters introduced.
Yer Slips
Wide panels on either side of the art - does that imply that it's heldover from before the page size change?
Yeah, I thought of Barbarella, too.
I actually quite enjoyed Valkyries, mainly because the art is of a very high standard, but it's also obvious 2000AD just isn't for kids any more.
I wasn't as incensed by this as I was by, for example, Durham Red's new outfit, but I still found it pretty disappointing.
The nudity isn't totally gratuitous - the plot is centred on a dying, decadent empire, at least - but it is everywhere, and I'd argue that's a bit excessive.
However, the only part I thought went too far was the "insertion" sequence.
It's all a bit more suited to Heavy Metal, isn't it?
Anyway, the art is very good and the story is engaging, so I'm not blowing my top just yet.
- Trout
It also reminds me of Promethea - lots of 'Godess' style women etc.
(had to dash off for lunch then)
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Yeah reminds me of Promethea a bit, with the 'other' Promethea's all hanging out together with similar dress sense.
I'm sure that Steve Moore would have read that seeing as he's buddies with Alan Moore but, hopefully, we'll be saved from learning about hippy snake 'magick' along the way.
Oh boy.
2000AD hits a low. It is poo.
I thought the introductory page was a bit redundant, given that the "pop-up interactive" lady pretty much talked us through it anyway.
Just read "Ranx" from Heavy Metal and this stuff pales by comparison on the explicicity front, mind you elements of Ranx are plain dodgy IMO, but yeah Trouty this does look along the same (adult) lines.
I didn't read the intro page, other then to check the names of the 5 main characters.
I tend to skip all these intro pages; if you can't pick it up from the story, you don't deserve to know it.
Over at Marvel, where into pages are compulsory, Pete Milligan seems to have geiven up on intoroducing X-Statix completely and just gone off on a long and somewhat entertaining rant about why Superman couldn't beat Thor in a fist-fight.