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: Do we know what Dredd looks like?
: kev67 28 April, 2021, 10:26:53 PM
Not the most original Dredd related thought I admit. We know what his lower face looks like. Apparently he keeps spare eyeballs, so have we seen them? Dredd's never been seen without his helmet except for that execrable Sylvester Stallone abortion. Also he did not wear his helmet in Necropolis, but he was wearing a big floppy hat, and his face was burnt off. Dredd's a clone, so if Rico or Kraken ever took their helmets off we'd know what Dredd looked like.
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: Funt Solo 28 April, 2021, 10:51:48 PM
Despite the notion that we never see Dredd without his helmet, all the clones we have running around now kind of put the kibosh on that:

With helmetWith beardWithout Y
(https://i.imgur.com/2HBC6LK.png)  (https://i.imgur.com/1N0bqZu.png)  (https://i.imgur.com/Xm5BkJK.png)

Also:

(https://assets-jpcust.jwpsrv.com/thumbnails/1ybkzqlk-720.jpg)
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: BPP 28 April, 2021, 10:53:53 PM
Sexy, the answer is sexy.

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/5/5b/Dolman_3.jpg)
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: Bad Andy 28 April, 2021, 11:34:17 PM
If you look at my attic thread, we do have Ezquerra's depiction of what Dredd's face looks life in the comic adaptation of the original film. He 'aint drawing Stallone, that's for sure.
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: Bad Andy 28 April, 2021, 11:42:13 PM
Just dug it out

(https://i.imgur.com/AbIE0bg.jpg)
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: Rogue Judge 28 April, 2021, 11:57:32 PM
Somebody throw a Judge helmet on these pics and call it a day. This IS Judge Dredd:
(https://i.ibb.co/v1Sp9xD/2014-Clint-Eastwood-Gran-Torino-180914.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LS3mKzv)
(https://i.ibb.co/nwP0xhB/clint-eastwood-un-classico-contemporaneo-1-1000x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MgBhFqf)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZTJ2P8m/Clint-Eastwood-i-Gran-Torino.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DKbryCp)
upload image (https://imgbb.com/)
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: Funt Solo 29 April, 2021, 05:14:40 AM
Aye, aye, cap'n:

(https://i.imgur.com/yIcYhHK.png)
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: Rogue Judge 29 April, 2021, 05:28:24 AM
Haha awesome Funt, thank you sir! Gave me a good laugh, I especially like the shoulder pad detailing

However, that does look like Dredd! Mystery solved.
(https://i.ibb.co/vjvZm0G/images.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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: TordelBack 29 April, 2021, 07:58:55 AM
We do know what Dredd looks like - he's the big lad on the cover most weeks. Details of his fizzog are about as relevant as the precise configuration of the wrinkles on his weenis.

(I'm under contractual obligation to post this under all such threads until 2031, with an option on renewal should I/the medium of comics last that long).
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 April, 2021, 08:19:47 AM
You're all wrong.  As I said on another thread, he looks like Nick Nolte.  You're especially wrong, TB, because some psi pointed out a while ago that there's something noteworthy about Dredd's weenis.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0mXYr6ZPK5Q/VyGzTreJL2I/AAAAAAAAOrQ/mjDaXdjfQr4AU9wjsYIVBe3pLSZhSQzJgCCo/s1600/RCO059.jpg)
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: The Legendary Shark 29 April, 2021, 09:20:46 AM

He looks like he's grumpy.

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: milstar 29 April, 2021, 09:37:51 AM
Somebody throw a Judge helmet on these pics and call it a day. This IS Judge Dredd:
(https://i.ibb.co/v1Sp9xD/2014-Clint-Eastwood-Gran-Torino-180914.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LS3mKzv)
(https://i.ibb.co/nwP0xhB/clint-eastwood-un-classico-contemporaneo-1-1000x600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MgBhFqf)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZTJ2P8m/Clint-Eastwood-i-Gran-Torino.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DKbryCp)
upload image (https://imgbb.com/)

No, that is Batman/Bruce Wayne from The Dark Knight Return.

Dredd's face? Well, I always wondered, considering he and Rico are clones, wouldn't be if he looks like Rico? If it means anything, Dredd's blondie (as briefly shown in Day the Law Died).
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: Dash Decent 29 April, 2021, 11:09:31 AM
Dredd's face? Well, I always wondered, considering he and Rico are clones, wouldn't be if he looks like Rico?

That's always been my thought too.  Take Dredd's lower face plus his nose, and merge with a pic of Rico's eyes/forehead/hair and ears.
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: Dash Decent 29 April, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
Otherwise he looks like Ted Bullpitt (Ross Higgins) from Kingswood Country.  He's got that pinched kind of nose Ezquerra would do, along with a Cam Kennedy Dredd-ish chin.

(https://i.imgur.com/0fMBwJU.png)

"The Lawmaster?  You're not taking the Lawmaster!  I just Mr Sheened the bike cannons!"
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: gogilesgo 29 April, 2021, 11:32:05 AM
I have long been mesmerized by the sketch that Bisley made for Judgement on Gotham.

Totally non-canon, totally unauthorised, and totally rejected by management but a great look. Almost Bruce Wayne-ish.

I am too much of a noob to upload images, but it's on page 150 of Thrill Power Overload if someone else can do the honours.
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: Bad Andy 29 April, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
I have long been mesmerized by the sketch that Bisley made for Judgement on Gotham.

Totally non-canon, totally unauthorised, and totally rejected by management but a great look. Almost Bruce Wayne-ish.

I am too much of a noob to upload images, but it's on page 150 of Thrill Power Overload if someone else can do the honours.

(https://i.imgur.com/ajo2MLY.jpg)

Joe's never really been a fan of facial hair
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 April, 2021, 12:23:57 PM
I have long been mesmerized by the sketch that Bisley made for Judgement on Gotham.

Totally non-canon, totally unauthorised, and totally rejected by management but a great look. Almost Bruce Wayne-ish.

I am too much of a noob to upload images, but it's on page 150 of Thrill Power Overload if someone else can do the honours.




It's a funny one, that.  Kind of works but he looks a bit too much like, well, Bruce Wayne, as you say, for me.  I'd see Dredd more shaven-headed and grizzled than the debonair semi-Devlin-Waugh type here.  I'd imagine Bisley, buoyed on by nobody asking him to take all the willies and tits out of Sláine, had decided he could do what he wanted.  But I'm glad they stopped him breaking this particular taboo.

EDIT - I also think that while Karl Urban's scowly jaw was perfect for the job in the film, the rest of film Dredd's face somehow doesn't look like the rest Karl Urban's face in my mind.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 29 April, 2021, 12:26:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AbIE0bg.jpg)

Thread should have been locked at this point. That is the definitive Dredd chin.
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 April, 2021, 12:29:54 PM
I have long been mesmerized by the sketch that Bisley made for Judgement on Gotham.

Totally non-canon, totally unauthorised, and totally rejected by management but a great look. Almost Bruce Wayne-ish.

I am too much of a noob to upload images, but it's on page 150 of Thrill Power Overload if someone else can do the honours.




It's a funny one, that.  Kind of works but he looks a bit too much like, well, Bruce Wayne, as you say, for me.  I'd see Dredd more shaven-headed and grizzled than the debonair semi-Devlin-Waugh type here.  I'd imagine Bisley, buoyed on by nobody asking him to take all the willies and tits out of Sláine, had decided he could do what he wanted.  But I'm glad they stopped him breaking this particular taboo.

EDIT - I also think that while Karl Urban's scowly jaw was perfect for the job in the film, the rest of film Dredd's face somehow doesn't look like the rest Karl Urban's face in my mind. I'll always love him for not taking off the helmet.
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: gogilesgo 29 April, 2021, 01:29:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AbIE0bg.jpg)

Thread should have been locked at this point. That is the definitive Dredd chin.

First time I've seen that panel and it's a beaut but it does follow a common Carlos trope, as evidenced with Stainless Steel Rat, Major Eazy and Cursed Earth Koburn - make all leading men look like James Coburn.

Admittedly here it's a youthful JC before he went prematurely grey, maybe back when he was doing TV westerns in the late 50s.
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: Funt Solo 29 April, 2021, 04:47:26 PM
Aye, aye, cap'n:

(https://i.imgur.com/yIcYhHK.png)

Having looked at the image for too long, I'm curious about the "Ladies Whale Shop".
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: Leigh S 29 April, 2021, 05:06:13 PM
How has this got to page 2 without an imge of Ron Smith's definitive "first ever appearance before we even knew it" of Fargo in Dredd Angel?


http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2012/08/01/f-is-for-fargo-and-fargo-clones/ (http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2012/08/01/f-is-for-fargo-and-fargo-clones/)
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: Dark Jimbo 29 April, 2021, 05:15:00 PM
How has this got to page 2 without an imge of Ron Smith's definitive "first ever appearance before we even knew it" of Fargo in Dredd Angel?


http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2012/08/01/f-is-for-fargo-and-fargo-clones/ (http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2012/08/01/f-is-for-fargo-and-fargo-clones/)

(https://i.imgur.com/1xbDFDO.jpg)
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: Funt Solo 29 April, 2021, 05:19:58 PM
Looks a bit like John Wagner.
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: Dark Jimbo 29 April, 2021, 05:21:49 PM
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/5/5b/Dolman_3.jpg)

Also worth mentioing that these pictures of Dolman don't count, as by the time we first saw him without a helmet, he'd already had a face change.
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: Dark Jimbo 29 April, 2021, 05:28:04 PM
More to the point, how has this thread got to page 2 without Simon Fraser drawing Joe and Rico at the Academy...?

(https://i.imgur.com/Zyj93F3.jpg)
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: Bad Andy 29 April, 2021, 05:42:26 PM
First time I've seen that panel and it's a beaut but it does follow a common Carlos trope, as evidenced with Stainless Steel Rat, Major Eazy and Cursed Earth Koburn - make all leading men look like James Coburn.

Admittedly here it's a youthful JC before he went prematurely grey, maybe back when he was doing TV westerns in the late 50s.

This is just one panel of course. He's helmet-less more than he wears the damn thing in this comic. So more if people want more.
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: Dandontdare 29 April, 2021, 05:50:17 PM
Apparently he keeps spare eyeballs, so have we seen them?

(https://i.imgur.com/sfOhvU8m.jpg)
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: Funt Solo 29 April, 2021, 05:51:35 PM
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/5/5b/Dolman_3.jpg)

Also worth mentioing that these pictures of Dolman don't count, as by the time we first saw him without a helmet, he'd already had a face change.

Part of Dredd lore I'm weak on - when did Dolman have a face change?
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: TordelBack 29 April, 2021, 05:57:07 PM
In his original appearance, Brothers of the Blood. When he quits the Academy and heads off to be a Space Cadet the Dept makes him alter his appearance to save future confusion (?). Not bothered by Rico or any of the dozen others, though.
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: The Legendary Shark 29 April, 2021, 06:05:15 PM

Just because we never see his face, that doesn't necessarily mean that nobody in MC1 (or the rest of that world) never sees it either. Maybe Dolman's face was changed because Dredd's face is well known and the change avoids awkward questions, nefarious plots, farces, and misunderstandings.

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: TordelBack 29 April, 2021, 07:21:34 PM
Just because we never see his face, that doesn't necessarily mean that nobody in MC1 (or the rest of that world) never sees it either. Maybe Dolman's face was changed because Dredd's face is well known and the change avoids awkward questions, nefarious plots, farces, and misunderstandings.

Yeah,  I think that point can't be emphasised enough. That early episode and some Chimpsky shenanigans aside, the thing with Dredd's hidden face is entirely for our benefit as readers. It doesn't exist in MC1.
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 April, 2021, 07:34:59 PM
That early episode and some Chimpsky shenanigans aside, the thing with Dredd's hidden face is entirely for our benefit as readers. It doesn't exist in MC1.

Are you sure?  I remember a story about some rich hunting types who captured Dredd - the prize was to see his face.  The other judges recognised him helmetless when they arrived, but that's hardly unexpected. It was an eighties one, but Dredd and his world had already been pretty well established by the time it was published.

There was also that Megazine story where a blind girl wanted to 'see' his face by touching it, though it was early Robbie Morrison so it's up to you whether that's canon or not.




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: TordelBack 29 April, 2021, 07:42:00 PM
Heh, I'd forgotten those!  I suppose I see it more that Dredd-under-the-helmet is unfamiliar to citizens because he's always in uniform, indeed he is the uniform. He's on duty 23hrs 50min a day, every day, and so he wears the helmet. It's not like he consciously hides his face, or that it's a state secret.
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: Funt Solo 29 April, 2021, 08:09:36 PM
Seems only fair to also post up the Dredd-after-a-face-change image:

(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1611783943i/30768415._SX540_.jpg)


And the ones already posted on this thread are also on a wiki (https://judgedredd.fandom.com/wiki/Joseph_Dredd):

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/judgedredd/images/e/ee/Faces_of_Dredd.jpg)
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: Dark Jimbo 29 April, 2021, 08:11:00 PM
Are you sure?  I remember a story about some rich hunting types who captured Dredd - the prize was to see his face.  The other judges recognised him helmetless when they arrived, but that's hardly unexpected. It was an eighties one, but Dredd and his world had already been pretty well established by the time it was published.

There was also that Megazine story where a blind girl wanted to 'see' his face by touching it, though it was early Robbie Morrison so it's up to you whether that's canon or not.

Also this one, again by Robbie, about a photographer trying to capture the holy grail...

(https://i.imgur.com/JyocWvZ.jpg)
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: Dark Jimbo 29 April, 2021, 08:14:28 PM
I suppose I see it more that Dredd-under-the-helmet is unfamiliar to citizens because he's always in uniform, indeed he is the uniform. He's on duty 23hrs 50min a day, every day, and so he wears the helmet. It's not like he consciously hides his face, or that it's a state secret.

This is by far the best solution to these stories - I hate the ones (thankfully few and far between) that suggest Dredd's got some weird disfigurment or phobia.
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: milstar 29 April, 2021, 08:21:35 PM
I don't know if it's enough credible, but Alan Moore's Wagesof Sin from Future Shocks reminds me on how Dredd might look like, like the meanest SOB in the universe.


Just because we never see his face, that doesn't necessarily mean that nobody in MC1 (or the rest of that world) never sees it either. Maybe Dolman's face was changed because Dredd's face is well known and the change avoids awkward questions, nefarious plots, farces, and misunderstandings.

One of the earliest issues has Dredd showing his face to bunch of perps, but the image is censored for supposedly being too visually intense. I read that it was originally meant to have his face shown but (Belardinelli's) art didn't pull it off properly.

If anything, we know that Dredd is blondie. At least in earlier issues.
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: The Legendary Shark 29 April, 2021, 08:33:15 PM

I suppose Justice Department would want every judge to be feared and respected equally, so while it might not be illegal for one to show his or her face, regs probably mandate them to be in full uniform whilst on duty (like a contemporary copper expected to always wear a hat). Dredd's a stickler for regs, so... Getting a photo of Dredd's face, then, might be one of those crazy fads the cits enjoy so much.

As an aside, I'm just watching Boys from the Blackstuff and it struck me how Dreddish a face Yosser (Bernard Hill) had when this was made. If it wasn't for that 'tache, of course.

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: TordelBack 29 April, 2021, 09:26:14 PM
... it struck me how Dreddish a face Yosser (Bernard Hill) had when this was made.

Gizza face-job.
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: TordelBack 29 April, 2021, 09:27:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JyocWvZ.jpg)

Let me just bask in that page for a bit... It's like pure sunshine, what an artist.
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: milstar 29 April, 2021, 09:53:17 PM

I suppose Justice Department would want every judge to be feared and respected equally, so while it might not be illegal for one to show his or her face, regs probably mandate them to be in full uniform whilst on duty (like a contemporary copper expected to always wear a hat). Dredd's a stickler for regs, so... Getting a photo of Dredd's face, then, might be one of those crazy fads the cits enjoy so much.

As an aside, I'm just watching Boys from the Blackstuff and it struck me how Dreddish a face Yosser (Bernard Hill) had when this was made. If it wasn't for that 'tache, of course.

I think the whole face idea serves as "justice is blind", because Dredd ofcourse represents justice, first and foremost. But not every judge in MC1 wears a mask.
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: Funt Solo 29 April, 2021, 10:10:48 PM
The awful truth can finally be revealed (or, if you prefer, reviled):

(https://i.imgur.com/95lEhIX.png)
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 April, 2021, 10:27:36 PM
The awful truth can finally be revealed (or, if you prefer, reviled):

(https://i.imgur.com/95lEhIX.png)

I miss Dredd's Dark Secrets!
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: Richard 30 April, 2021, 12:26:00 AM
I don't recognise that art, where is it from?

The blind girl doesn't count, how else is she supposed to know what he looks like? Look at a photo with her eyes?

Dredd is the clone of Fargo, who didn't always wear a helmet and who must have been famous when the president appointed him Special Prosecutor for Street Crime and began establishing the street judges. So everyone would know what Dredd looks like. I can't explain that hunting story, but fuck it.
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: Funt Solo 30 April, 2021, 05:20:27 AM
If you mean the photographer story, it's Shaggy's Big Shoot, prog 1539 (Robbie Morrison & Mike McMahon).
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: gogilesgo 30 April, 2021, 08:46:12 AM
I suppose I see it more that Dredd-under-the-helmet is unfamiliar to citizens because he's always in uniform, indeed he is the uniform. He's on duty 23hrs 50min a day, every day, and so he wears the helmet. It's not like he consciously hides his face, or that it's a state secret.

This is also a nice way to explain "So THAT'S what he looks like." from the Sov Judge when Dredd's helmet is removed after he shoots Chief Judge Griffin, then turns the gun on himself.
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: I, Cosh 30 April, 2021, 09:52:48 AM
Guys. Clones wouldn't necessarily look identical.
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: JayzusB.Christ 30 April, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
Seems only fair to also post up the Dredd-after-a-face-change image:

(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1611783943i/30768415._SX540_.jpg)


Sort of a Spitting Image version of Shane from the Walking Dead / the telly Punisher there. 

Also I remember the run-up to Necropolis where Dredd's true face was being hinted at left, right and centre.  Carlos was having none of your shit, though, pulling that Dead Man hat right down over those square eyes.
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: Dark Jimbo 30 April, 2021, 12:19:30 PM
Seems only fair to also post up the Dredd-after-a-face-change image:

(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1611783943i/30768415._SX540_.jpg)

Sort of a Spitting Image version of Shane from the Walking Dead / the telly Punisher there. 

It's 40s film actor Rondo Hatton -

(https://i.imgur.com/2sORoHy.jpg)
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: JayzusB.Christ 30 April, 2021, 01:01:50 PM
So it is - I'd forgotten it was based on a real person.  I can still see a little bit of Jon Bernthal there though...

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoXkhTf0SqdyQhUI1XBnLtuOIqCLZclZo1CA&usqp=CAU)
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: Mister Pops 30 April, 2021, 01:12:54 PM
I mean, if we're just posting people with impressive jawlines, here's Robert Z'Dar
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSag0E74HL2clj0XuhHkgWeyO_W-OfKjgbsAg&usqp=CAU)
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: JayzusB.Christ 30 April, 2021, 01:20:23 PM
If anyone posts a photo of Jimmy Hill or Bruce Forsythe I'll petrol bomb this forum myself.
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: milstar 30 April, 2021, 01:26:57 PM
Heh, I'd forgotten those!  I suppose I see it more that Dredd-under-the-helmet is unfamiliar to citizens because he's always in uniform, indeed he is the uniform. He's on duty 23hrs 50min a day, every day, and so he wears the helmet. It's not like he consciously hides his face, or that it's a state secret.

Off topic:i think the idea of him wasting ten minutes on the nap is worth another thread.
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: JayzusB.Christ 30 April, 2021, 01:48:51 PM
I would sell all I own for a sleep machine.  You'd make the money back in weeks.
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: milstar 30 April, 2021, 01:54:37 PM
I would sell all I own for a sleep machine.  You'd make the money back in weeks.

Oh, I would kill for that machine.
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: Dash Decent 01 May, 2021, 12:23:00 PM
It's 40s film actor Rondo Hatton -

If this isn't in the Swipe file thread, it should be.
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: Dash Decent 01 May, 2021, 12:27:18 PM
I see it more that Dredd-under-the-helmet is unfamiliar to citizens because he's always in uniform, indeed he is the uniform. He's on duty 23hrs 50min a day, every day, and so he wears the helmet. It's not like he consciously hides his face, or that it's a state secret.

That's my view too.  We've certainly seen him getting into uniform, helmet off - just not in a way we can see.  The story (which has now been mentioned) about the photographer going after a pic of his face as if it were the holy grail was a mistake, in my opinion.  And it is a bit of a game for the reader - having Dredd wearing his helmet while taking a bath etc is just hilarious.