First time I have read the Prog on a Saturday in a long time, and what a good one it is.
Dredd moves into an interesting new phase in End of Days.
Full Tilt Boogie wraps up leaving me wanting more, which is not something I would have thought ten weeks ago.
SinDex is back and sets ups the next chapter of Bulletopia nicely. And there is an intriguing exchange between Finny and Carrie, which I hope we see continued.
Just as a think I am understanding The Order, a character is mentioned who I have no idea who they are referring to it. Which is par for the course. But I am enjoying it and am even contemplating a complete re-read - especially if Tordels continues with his guide.
All of which pales compared to The Out, which has a major "you what?" moment. Just top stuff. Another Abnett instant classic. He is really spoiling us this year. Let's hope he gets well soon.
Dredd - End Of Days just keeps getting better with each episode. I would say though that I thought Dredd could understand Sov, as demonstrated way back in A Clockwork Pineapple if memory serves. He could of course be pretending he doesn't understand. Anyway, I can't wait to see how this ends!
The Order and The Out continue in the vein of excellence that they both rightly enjoy. This is comics of the highest order.
Cheers
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The Out is the highlight this week. I now have no idea where this story is going, but that's quite a turn!
Full Tilt Boogie ends, and hopefully Tharg will commission a sequel. This is good stuff.
Dredd features the return of a character last seen 38 years ago, for all you continuity nerds.
Well that was quite the cover. Bloomin' brilliant.
Under it lies a Prog and a half. A real stonker.
Dredd. Rob Williams shows there's two ways to bring back an old character the LOOK I HAVE ALL THE TOYS way and the way he does it here. In an organic way, that works with the story and makes you wonder why this character hasn't been returned to before. Fantastic episode in which Dredd is handled superbly and the thread feels real and significent. This story really is beginning to become something really good.
Full Tilt Boogie sticks its landing. As doors are all satisfyingly closed, while being left quietly open for the hoped for return. We get a fantastic turn of events and it all just works. Want this one back.
Sinister Dexter picks up Bulletopia. I hope this one is allowed to run smooth. Though Dabnett show once again that he is a master of recapping events in a way that doesn't intrude in the telling of the tale. The episode sets out and wonderfully sets up. Yeowell is magnificent as ever and I can't wait to see where this goes.
The Order again a blinding episode as escapes are made, but this just thrusts us into new creepier danger. This is just relentless, breathless fun.
But Tharg leaves the best til last The Out might not be the story I was expecting, but then it never was and I never knew what to expect. What I've got is something fresh, compelling and with developments that thunder along. In just 8 episodes so much has happened to a character that I never knew, but now care so much about. I miss a panda I bearly got to know and genuinely on edge as to what will happen next.
It will be fascinating to see where each of these is left next Prog (well except FTB which has finished) to make way for the All Ages. Again I suspect the timing will be unfortunate as the remaining stories all feel like they are getting going really well, or well on the way to finishing, but not necessarily there yet.
We'll see.
The cover with logo:
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First time I have read the Prog on a Saturday in a long time, and what a good one it is.
Lucky for some - no Prog still and its Monday
last week it took till Wednesday to finally arrive :(
Just finished a bedtime prog read and now regret it... the thrillpower overload is sure to mean I won't get a wink of sleep. Another cracking prog, and The Out made me do several gasps. SEVERAL!
Dredd - Another brilliant installment. With all the nods to Dredd history, I really won't mind if this is "all a dream" or something similar. I'm really enjoying the journey.
I worry about [spoiler]Giant[/spoiler]. [spoiler]Could his lack of "strategic use" foreshadow his demise? [/spoiler]
FTB - I've loved this series and hope this isn't The End. Love the characters, the humour, the action and the act. Go Cat!🐱
Sinister Dexter - I haven't been a massive fan of Sin/Dex in the past, but the way the last few series have built to this one has me totally engaged. Big threat. Long journey ahead. Reality in question. Lets go!
The Order - continued on directly from last weeks thrilling episode and was once again a fast paced thrill ride.
The Out - just brilliant once again. Best thing in a really strong prog. [spoiler]I hope readers aren't too disappointed about not getting a Tankinar reveal.[/spoiler]
Quote from: JimmyNailz on 11 August, 2020, 11:23:16 AM
The Out - just brilliant once again. Best thing in a really strong prog. [spoiler]I hope readers aren't too disappointed about not getting a Tankinar reveal.[/spoiler]
No not [spoiler]disappointed about that at all. It turns out they really weren't the story and the story has gone off in a completely different, unexpected direction. I'll take that.[/spoiler]
Finally the Prog arrived today , so got to read it at 7pm after work and its a great Prog
Dredd continues with an unexpected twist - I can say I am really enjoying this story .
Full Tilt Boogie sadly ends for now , and all I can say its PLEASE THARG !! I want another series -
Commission more stories from this fine lady writer
Sinister Dexter has finally returned - and its very enjoyable for the next chapter of Bulletopia .
The Order - its just so - so - for me , and yet it seems to survive yet again for another day
( my least favourite in the Prog )
The Out, - just WOW and WOW
good wishes to Dan Abnett - hope you have a speedy recovery and it was done by laparoscopy
( from an ODP in an Operating Theatre ) - kind regards
I very enjoyable prog yet again. A high-five prog
Dredd – The story is now really getting going. The soviets are still on this one-track minded mission of destroying MC-1. We can witness it on the last page as another twist is added to the tale. I am sure that for some reason Dredd might be Death (as it has already been speculated on this forum)
Full Tilt Boogie – The series comes to a satisfactory conclusion but hopefully we can get more of this. It is different story too the series we experience in AD, but it has been a nice new addition. Great story, great art.
Sin/Dex – The Bulletopia storyline continues with a more talkative story and is basically a recap and a setup for the next arc. My main criticism here is not the story and has more to do with timing where I would prefer that we get one continuous run rather than a break-up of smaller parts of the bigger story. Yeowell art is great as always.
The Order – The story continues its wild ride ending with a bang and how are we going to end this run with so much still in the open.
The Out – Wow, just wow. What a wonderful story beautifully written and with some sublime art from Harrison. I did not see this coming and we now venture into something complete different. With any action we have seen the story changing direction.
Well heaven forbid that somebody compliment her!
Seriously, yes we are still "here." How many women have written for 2000AD ever? It's only a couple of years since the all-women special. Women comics writers are still as rare as hen's teeth. But let's all pretend that that's no longer the case and be gender-blind, because that always works doesn't it?
The compliment isn't the problem; the prefix "lady" is. See also lady doctor, female lawyer, etc. She's a bloody good writer; her genetalia are not relevant to her evident skills.
I do not think any malice was attended by his compliment. He liked the story he wants more it and that is how I see it
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 12 August, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
The compliment isn't the problem; the prefix "lady" is. See also lady doctor, female lawyer, etc. She's a bloody good writer; her genetalia are not relevant to her evident skills.
Exactly. & why did they not call Dan Abnett a fine man writer?
Maybe just call the writer of Full Tilt Boogie by her name? Alex De Campi
Biggest surprise for me this week is the placing of Dredd firmly within the Marvel Universe, what with mention of [spoiler]Latveria- Doctor Doom's home nation.
[/spoiler]. Typo, or imminent mega cross-over to end all cross-overs? The story has been a bit tepid so far, Shak9 aside, but this week it went pleasingly full-on and nuts.
The Out went to a whole new level- I read it open mouthed and gasping. I know it's not the most original of twists within scifi, but to see it done so perfectly... I cannot even begin to say how much I love this series.
I also love Sinister Dexter, and this was a good one. Finally Finny comes clean and plotlines that have been simmering for years hopefully begin to come together. Blissful.
FTB was very good- I dont think it quite lived up to its potential, but I'd very much like to see more. Unfortunately, the best element, Cat, seems too close to the cat from Saga. I dunno. But, yes, more please.
The Order was again baffling. But there were zombies at the end, so hopefully things will pick up.
Didnt like the cover, after a few weeks of thrill packed fronts. But on the whole, good prog.
SBT
Quote from: judgeurko on 12 August, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 12 August, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
The compliment isn't the problem; the prefix "lady" is. See also lady doctor, female lawyer, etc. She's a bloody good writer; her genetalia are not relevant to her evident skills.
Exactly. & why did they not call Dan Abnett a fine man writer?
Maybe just call the writer of Full Tilt Boogie by her name? Alex De Campi
Fair enough. But taking both yer respective logic to its obvious conclusion, if say, for example, Joe Biden wins the forthcoming election in the U.S.A, and Feminists, Women's Rights Groups, Black activists or, frankly, anyone with a decent bone in their body - quite rightly, in my view - celebrate and complement Kamela Harris for her achievement in becoming the first black woman to be Vice-President of the United States, will you hold them to the same criticism and scrutiny? Or will that only hold true if they - shock! horror! - happen to use the terms 'lady' or 'female' in their enthusiastic tributes? (And if you took the time to google celebrated female doctors and lawyers throughout history, you would find any number of articles rightly praising the ground-breaking achievements of these ladies, in entering into and excelling in what were previously almost exclusively male-dominated roles.)
So instead of finding fault and nit-picking the language that 73North uses, in his obvious praise for Alex Di Campi's writing skills and success in her chosen field - in what is generally also a male-dominated industry - would it not simply be nicer - and far less churlish - to share his enthusiasm and admiration for her particular achievements?
Hopefully at some future point, one's gender will indeed have no bearing upon, or discrimination against, one's equitable access to and success in their chosen career. But until then, I myself, like 73North, will rightly celebrate not just the clear the storytelling skills of women writers like Alex De Campi, but - from a purely personal point of view - also her achievement in doing so in what has, until very recently, been an area of entertainment and business mostly occupied by men.
PS: Sorry for the double post, but it just occurred to me that I have no idea what actual gender, the forum member 73North is, so my apologies if I incorrectly assumed that you were male.
And in relation to Kamela Harris herself, only time will tell how beneficial and benign her politics and actions will be if she does assume the role of Vice-President of the U.S.A. But it will be her success in achieving that distinction as a black lady - and against significant discrimination in terms of both her gender and the colour of her skin - that will be celebrated initially. What she does afterwards with the power that she has - should Biden be elected - is what will rightfully define her afterwards.
Quote from: paddykafka on 12 August, 2020, 11:42:01 PM
Quote from: judgeurko on 12 August, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 12 August, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
The compliment isn't the problem; the prefix "lady" is. See also lady doctor, female lawyer, etc. She's a bloody good writer; her genetalia are not relevant to her evident skills.
Exactly. & why did they not call Dan Abnett a fine man writer?
Maybe just call the writer of Full Tilt Boogie by her name? Alex De Campi
Fair enough. But taking both yer respective logic to its obvious conclusion, if say, for example, Joe Biden wins the forthcoming election in the U.S.A, and Feminists, Women's Rights Groups, Black activists or, frankly, anyone with a decent bone in their body - quite rightly, in my view - celebrate and complement Kamela Harris for her achievement in becoming the first black woman to be Vice-President of the United States, will you hold them to the same criticism and scrutiny? Or will that only hold true if they - shock! horror! - happen to use the terms 'lady' or 'female' in their enthusiastic tributes? (And if you took the time to google celebrated female doctors and lawyers throughout history, you would find any number of articles rightly praising the ground-breaking achievements of these ladies, in entering into and excelling in what were previously almost exclusively male-dominated roles.)
So instead of finding fault and nit-picking the language that 73North uses, in his obvious praise for Alex Di Campi's writing skills and success in her chosen field - in what is generally also a male-dominated industry - would it not simply be nicer - and far less churlish - to share his enthusiasm and admiration for her particular achievements?
Hopefully at some future point, one's gender will indeed have no bearing upon, or discrimination against, one's equitable access to and success in their chosen career. But until then, I myself, like 73North, will rightly celebrate not just the clear the storytelling skills of women writers like Alex De Campi, but - from a purely personal point of view - also her achievement in doing so in what has, until very recently, been an area of entertainment and business mostly occupied by men.
You can be enthusiastic & supportive of more female creators in 2000AD without referring to them as a "fine lady".
Ridiculous. The Out takes the plaudits every week and the response of the fine human writer Dan Abnett is to up his game even further by basically writing the best instalment of any story in the prog ever. No wonder parts of his body are exploding. Tharg, you might want to consider building some thrill buffers for this guy.
The only downside of such an unprecedented thrill-surge is that it makes his other contribution to this week's prog seem rather underwhelming. It feel like we only just had the last catch-up instalment of SinDex and here we are again being reminded of the plot. I guess we have to get used to the strip being forever the mortar in Tharg's Wall of Thrills.
Decent conclusion to Full Tilt Boogie, a quirky strip that if anything hasn't been quite eccentric enough. I wonder if, following future all ages issues, Tharg wants to have at least one breakout story at any time running in the regular prog?
This chapter of The Out looks destined to end on a cliffhanger. Lovely Burns cover but I'm not sure what's going on with the big white stripe.
Oh yeah, and End Of Days. I knew I forgot something. Only four episodes left - how many to resolve the Sov situation, and how many for Death..?
QuoteI'm not sure what's going on with the big white stripe.
It's where the logo and barcode go. Also it looks quite striking.
With regard to break out series - we have had 3 new series this year, and ok only one has come from the Regened Prog, but all three have been excellent. So maybe the question should be, should we have more new stories?
Quote from: norton canes on 13 August, 2020, 12:05:52 PM
Oh yeah, and End Of Days. I knew I forgot something. Only four episodes left - how many to resolve the Sov situation, and how many for Death..?
I'm guessing there will be a twist & Dredd will be death. Or maybe there will be another long forgotten character making a return? Hap Hazzard?
Quote from: judgeurko on 13 August, 2020, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 13 August, 2020, 12:05:52 PM
Oh yeah, and End Of Days. I knew I forgot something. Only four episodes left - how many to resolve the Sov situation, and how many for Death..?
I'm guessing there will be a twist & Dredd will be death. Or maybe there will be another long forgotten character making a return? Hap Hazzard?
Really hoping that the current Dredd story paves the way for the obvious
Judge Dredd Vs Big Dave crossover event, if only for the opportunity to use the
Gammon versus Lawman tag line!!!! :thumbsup:
Rob Williams' Dredd reminds me a lot of Mark Millar's Dredd, so all this supervillain stuff for the last few months I have taken in my stride. Not every story has to be America.
I'm glad Tharg gave Full Tilt Boogie a spin, though I think it comes up against the problems that Western writers often encounter when replicating tropes from other cultures on a purely surface level, as FTB does with the magical senshi stuff and its sometimes overly-literal interpretation of Cowboy Bebop's themes (which were actually surprisingly nuanced takes on Western noir tropes). It really feels more like a pastiche than a passion project, though the former has long gone down well with 2000ad readers. It was good to see something outside the Tharg house style for a change.
As ever, Sinister Dexter continues to exist. It is a story that has a beginning, middle and end, and which appears each week in 2000ad, a comic published in the UK by Rebellion, ostensibly a videogame publishing company which has diversified its investment portfolio in recent years and now maintains a large library of intellectual property. The weather outside is fine today.
I really wanted to like The Order as it has so much going for it - alternate history team-ups between historical figures, giant robots, French robot armies complete with Luftwaffe, and even what seems to be the central "time train" McGuffin of Kamen Rider Den-o for some reason - but I would be completely and utterly lost if Tordelback didn't do that synopsis post when he did, and I think the writer knows this is an increasingly hard-to-follow story because he's reframed it latterly through the eyes of POV characters like Ben Franklin. Fantastic art here and on the cover, as always, though I will say that I've been reading a lot of old Brit comics during lockdown and I really do miss seeing John Burns' strong linework.
The Out is probably my favorite thing in the prog. Very Halo Jones-y vibe, and I spent a great deal of the early episodes worried that this was going to be yet another Trojan Horse series that turns out to be related to an established House Of Tharg property in its latter episodes (because quite frankly I don't think I could take yet another one of those), but thankfully we seem to be past the point where that could be convincingly pulled off now. Great stuff.
An okay prog all around, but if I might wade in to the argument about gender a bit, I too was wary of employing men to write stories for 2000ad, as I assumed they'd just fill the comic with stories about football and tanks, but it hasn't been that bad.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 12 August, 2020, 12:28:09 PM
[/spoiler]. Typo, or imminent mega cross-over to end all cross-overs?
I think a previous episode had several attempts at spelling the Chuchki sea so it was probably a typo :P
The Prog has been solid for me lately (I've just had a periodic binge read of a short stack of Progs to catch up); highlights are definitely The Out and Full Tilt Boogie (which I had to go back to the initial airing in the Re-gene Prog to get me up to speed).