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Title: Survey Results: Graphic Novels
Post by: Wake on 17 December, 2001, 08:55:34 PM
In the recent 2000AD survey, each person could make up to 5 suggestions for graphic novels. Here are the results for the 333 surveys I entered. Apoligies for not expanding the codes, but you should be able to work them out. I didn't code individual stories, except for Judge Dredd and Strontium Dog The Final Solution:

NIKOLAI   98
HARRYE   75
SINISTER61
ABC   47
STRONT   47
DURHAM   46
ROGUE   45
NEMESIS   44
NECRO   37
ZENITH   34
DREDD   33
BADCOMP   30
FLESH   29
GLIMMER   24
SAMSLADE23
SLAINE   23
MISSION   18
HALO   16
BANZAI   16
QUINCH   16
ANDERSON14
CHOPPER   11
ACE   9
VC   9
MERCY   9
TELGUUTH9
INDIGO   9
TORCYAN   8
FUTURE   8
DREDDinf8 = Inferno
DANDARE   8
LOVELIKE7
FINN   7
HARLEM   7
DEVLIN   6
FIREKIND6
AMERICA   6
STRONTfs6 = The Final Solution
DREDDhs   5 = Helter Skelter
STRONTS   5
HARRY20   5
DREDDcur5 = The Cursed Earth
BILLSAV   5
MELTDOWN5
ADAMCAD   5
DREDDcal4 = Judge Cal
DREDDpit4 = The Pit
DREDDpj   4 = PJ Maybe
DREDDapo4 = The Apocalypse War
CANNON   4
SKIZZ   4
FIENDS   3
DEADMAN   3
VANGUARD3
RAINDOGS3
DREDDchi3 = Judge Child
DEADLOCK3
MACH1   3
MEANMAC   2
GIDEON   2
SATANUS   2
MANIAC5   2
BIGDAVE   2
MEAN   2
CLOWN   2
VECTOR132
DREDDban2 = Banned Cursed Earth
STAINLES2
DREDDnec2 = Necropolis
ALBEST   2
WITCH   2
PUSSY5   2
OUTLAW   2
DREDDjd   2
LUKEKIRB2
THEDEAD   2
HEWLIGAN2
BRENDANM1
DREDDJud1 = Judda/Oz
DREDDart1 = Book of Dredd cover art
DOWNLODE1
DREDDdd   1
BIXBART   1
KOLA   1
DRYRUN   1
ARMITAGE1
WIREHEAD1
DREDDzeh1
BLAIR1   1
BRIGAND   1
DREDDoz   1
FREAKS   1
DREDDcru1 = Crusade
MEDIVAC   1
DREDDhot1
HAP   1
DREDDsec1
ALANG   1
KEVINO   1
DREDDwil1
METALZ   1
SHAKO   1
LIFELESS1
SHADOWS   1
FRIDAY   1
DREDDemr1 = Emrald Isle
TEENTAX   1
GREENMAN1
finaljud1
TIMEFLIE1
BIX   1
CARVER   1
TAXDE   1
LIVELIKE1
DREDDepi1 = Epics
CAMK   1
SINSTER   1
BEYOND   1
DREDDdem1 = Democracy Now
SANCHO   1
DINOSTY   1
NIKLOAI   1
LAZARUS   1
BALLSBRO1
ROBUST   1
RAZORS   1
DEMARCO   1
REVERE   1
WARGAMES1
BLACKH   1
SLAUGHT   1
DREDDCur1 = Cursed Earth
Title: Survey Results: Writers
Post by: Wake on 17 December, 2001, 09:00:03 PM
No surprises here. I've deleted everyone with less than 2 votes:

JOHNW   235
ROBBIEM   98
ALANG   69
DANA   60
GARTHE   55
PATM   55
GORDONR   48
ALANM   42
GRANTM   35
JOHNS   14
STEVEMO   5
SIMONS   4
JOHNT   3
NEILG   2
MARKM   2
Title: Survey Results: Artists
Post by: Wake on 17 December, 2001, 09:03:26 PM
I've deleted all artists with less than 2 votes.

CARLOSE   143
IANG   81
MARKH   54
JOHNB   49
BRIANB   37
ARTHURR   31
KEVINW   29
HENRYF   25
FRAZERI   23
SIMONB   20
CAMK   20
COLINM   17
STEVEY   16
SIMOND   15
MIKEM   15
SIMONF   13
KEVINO   13
SIKU   12
RSMITH   10
ADRIANB   9
GLENNF   9
STEVED   9
GREGS   8
CLIFFR   8
MASSIMO   7
FRANKQ   6
JOCK   6
ALAND   6
COLINW   5
DAVEG   5
DERMOTP   4
PETERD   3
TREVORH   3
JIMM   3
BRETTE   3
SIMONH   3
BRYANT   2
CHRISW   2
WILLS   2
JASONB   2
ALANG   2
PJ   2
ANDYC   2
Title: Re: Survey Results: Graphic Novels...
Post by: GordonR on 17 December, 2001, 09:10:04 PM
Red Razors - 1 vote.

I rest my case ;>
Title: Survey Results: Thrill Requests
Post by: Wake on 17 December, 2001, 09:17:41 PM
Since this list was asking for thrills to return to 2000AD, current thrills (Dredd, Nikolai, etc) don't appear.

STRONT   80
HALO   64
SLAINE   53
QUINCH   48
ZENITH   44
HARRYE   43
ROGUE   43
SAMSLADE   35
SINISTER   25
ANDERSON   24
BADCOMP   21
NEMESIS   18
ACE   18
ABC   17
CHOPPER   16
MISSION   13
DURHAM   13
DEATH   11
DEVLIN   11
DANDARE   11
FLESH   11
INDIGO   11
GLIMMER   10
FINN   10
STRONTS   10 = Feral and/or The Gronk
NIKOLAI   9
CANNON   8
NECRO   8
STAINLES   7
VC   6
OUTLAW   6
VENUS   5
TYRANNY   5
DEADLOCK   5
GIDEON   5
BIGDAVE   5
DEMARCO   4
DARKJUDG   4
RAINDOGS   4
BALLSBRO   4
MIDDEN   3
HARLEM   3
MANIAC5   3
MELTDOWN   3
FRIDAY   3
MERCY   3
ROJAWS   3
BANZAI   3
VANGUARD   3
LOVELIKE   3
ROBUST   2
MEANMAC   2
ORLOK   2
VECTOR13   2
ADAMCAD   2
RICO   2
LUKEK   2
TORQUE   2
JANUS   2
BILLSAV   2
WITCH   2
VIENNA   2
WOLFIE   2
DREDD   2
PJMAYBE   2
TORCYAN   2
Title: Survey Results: Thrill Suckers
Post by: Wake on 17 December, 2001, 09:22:23 PM
Pussyfoot 5 was the run away leader in the list of thrills you wanted to line up against a wall...again thrills with only 1 vote have been deleted from the list.

PUSSY5   105
SPACEG   41
ZENITH   40
SLAINE   37
DEVLIN   31
TELGUUTH   30
SINISTER   22
RAINDOGS   21
TORCYAN   19
VANGUARD   19
DURHAM   17
NECRO   16
BALLSBRO   16
BANZAI   14
QUINCH   13
GLIMMER   13
NIKOLAI   13
OUTLAW   13
BIGDAVE   12
CARVER   11
INDIGO   10
REDFANG   10
MERCY   9
HALO   9
BLAIR1   8
SAMSLADE   8
ABC   7
BADCOMP   7
HARRYE   7
MEANMAC   7
NEMESIS   6
ROGUE   5
FLESH   5
FINN   5
LAZARUS   4
THARG   4
DEADLOCK   4
MISSION   3
ACE   3
DINOSTY   3
GIDEON   2
WARDOG   2
ZIPPY   2
BRADLEY   2
SKIZZ   2
CHOPPER   2
TRASH   2
ANDERSON   2
REVERE   2
STRONTS   2
SANCHO   2
FUTURE   2
Title: Re: Survey Results: Writers...
Post by: Thread Zero on 17 December, 2001, 09:53:33 PM
What no votes for me!!?

:o)


scojo
Title: Re: Survey Results: Thrill Suckers...
Post by: Thread Zero on 17 December, 2001, 09:57:08 PM
Interesting that Zenith got such a high (or should that be low!) rating.

I am surprised.

I thought it was one of 2k's finest strips myself.

But then what do I know!!!

scojo

Title: Re: Survey Results: Thrill Suckers...
Post by: Wood on 17 December, 2001, 09:58:57 PM
Interesting how Zenith appears in both the favourite and least favourite stories...
Title: Re: Survey Results: Thrill Suckers...
Post by: Wake on 17 December, 2001, 10:00:50 PM
This may have been because of zzzzenith.com, which was not as good as the original stories and so didn't bode well for the future.

Ditto Slaine...just because people don't want him back doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't like him when he was in his prime.
Title: Re: Survey Results: Thrill Suckers...
Post by: Thread Zero on 17 December, 2001, 10:02:43 PM
Interesting how Zenith appears in both the favourite and least favourite stories...
Wood


As Judge Dredd would say:

"Who understands the citizens?"


scojo
Title: Re: Survey Results: Zenith Suckers...
Post by: paulvonscott on 17 December, 2001, 10:10:14 PM
I think the first series of Zenith was one of THE best things ever in 2000AD, the second series was merely okay, the third series increasingly disjointed and with regret i've never read the last series.  zzzenith.com was quite interesting (i don't think you can expect much from a one off six page strip) but Morrison writing the whole Britney assualt thing made want to be sick, much like his b*ggery of Dan Dare which seemed to be his attempt to violate things he didn't approve of, pretty sick if you ask me.  The thought of a fifth series isn't neccesarily a pretty one.

But that first series was very, very good.
Title: Re: Survey Results: Thrill Suckers...
Post by: paulvonscott on 17 December, 2001, 10:17:53 PM
That's a very good point.

Wanting a series back is a double edged sword, it may either be outright bad (bad robohunter) or just okay, which is almost just as bad.

If it is just okay it may mean that the story has gone as far as it can go or even that it's now just a little anachronistic.

I would love Halo Jones back for a fourth series.  But then, I also maybe wouldn't.  Moore and Gibson are still brilliant but what if it just didn't work?  It would cast a pall over all the previous stuff.

Still if Morrison could do produce a tightly written story and Stev Yeowll could reach the same detailed level he did in the first book I'd happily see it back.  If it just was to sit at the bottom of what has so far been a downward curve, I'd rather they didn't bother.

pvs
Title: Re: Survey Results: Zenith Suckers...
Post by: Thread Zero on 17 December, 2001, 10:30:27 PM
The final book ties up all the loose ends.

Scojo


Title: Re: Survey Results: Zenith Suckers...
Post by: paulvonscott on 17 December, 2001, 10:38:17 PM
What do you think of it?  If it ties up all the loose ends then I think I'll buy it when Titan reprint it (if they do) anyway.
Title: Re: Survey Results: Zenith Suckers...
Post by: Thread Zero on 17 December, 2001, 10:40:35 PM
It's very good.
With a classic ending.

Shame it was in colour though!

Scojo

Title: Re: Survey Results: Zenith Suckers...
Post by: Jayzus B. Christ on 17 December, 2001, 11:25:15 PM
Book four, in my opinion, was the best of the Zenith series - it made the other ones look as if they were just preludes to a brilliant climax.
I also enjoyed Zzzenith.com; I don't know why it got such a hard time. maybe it excluded newer readers with its references to older characters.
Title: Re: Survey Results: Zenith Suckers...
Post by: Matt on 17 December, 2001, 11:32:00 PM
Hey! Why bother buying it. Why not just read it off the shelf in WHSmith and then whinge about how crap it is on the messabe board afterwards. That way you don't have to cough up any dough and by doing so deprive the rest of us of any top notch thrills 'cause Rebellion can't afford the writers & artists. Hey! And while you're at it, why not nip round your next door neighbours house and watch their TV so you don't have to pay the license fee.
Title: Re: Survey Results: Zenith Suckers...
Post by: paulvonscott on 17 December, 2001, 11:34:52 PM
Seems to be a consensus that the last book was good, hurrah!  I might have to pester titan to release it.  I was surprised to hear about it being in colour though.

The thing is with zzzenith.com is that it's hard to have much depth in six pages.  So while it might be quite good for a one off, most people are really after something of the same depth as the series.  Hence the dissapointment.  It was like seeing a trailer to a movie, it got you interested but wasn't satisfying in itself.  

As I commented further down the list, the whole Britney thing was pretty appalling.  Morrison has a habit of 'doing things' to people he doesn't like in his strips.  I'd rather he just got on with the story.  

I thought Steve Yeowell was back on form.
Title: Hey, it's Matt the Harpy
Post by: paulvonscott on 17 December, 2001, 11:53:03 PM
No, the screeching of the harpies as they land on my back once more!  I honestly thought you had got that out of your system.  is this going to happen all the time?

2000AD isn't a charity and I've no proof that rebellion are going to improve it as they claim though I hope they will and the signs are certainly positive.  

During my time in the wasteland, I have been buying collected volumes of stuff I like (or liked) and Dredd volumes by wagner (I have over a metre high pile of reprinted 2000AD stuff I've bought - I pay for quality).  I will buy Prog 2002 because it has at least 2 stories (that's all I ask) I want to read in it.  Just as I bought Prog 2000, 2001 and every issue for the last few years with nemesis and abc warriors in.  

If I hadn't made my trips down to whsmiths I wouldn't have bought any of these issues.  As it happens now this site is here I don't even have to go down to whsmith's, I just look to see if there is a new strip or the return of one of my favourites.  So you don't have to worry about paying for a mag full of rubbish while other people read a six page dredd strip for free anymore.

Back you foul harpy, back I tell you!




Title: Re: Survey Results: Thrill Suckers...
Post by: McNulty on 18 December, 2001, 05:17:16 AM
I absolutely agree with the sentiments put forward in this message. There are 2000ad stories that I would love to have back, mostly because they didn't finish and I could realy do with the closure! The main problem is that there would no way to get the original artists/writers to ressurect their stories and even if they did, they would probably have to modernise them for today's readers. I cite the way the Dan Dare strip ended as an example. If the story was taken up today it probably wouldn't be all that different from that god-awful Revolver story. Robohunter certainly didn't get better when it was ressurected either. Saying this, I still would have liked to know what Feral of "trontium Dogs" actually turned in to. He's been in that coccoon for years now...
Title: We need closure!
Post by: paulvonscott on 18 December, 2001, 07:22:02 AM
For me Halo Jones never ended properly.  I would wash Alan Moore's moss encrusted feet (no seriously, if that's your thing Alan, I'll do it) if he could bring it back on the high level it was before.  She still had so much to do.

Original Robohunter ended quite well, then it started again then they ended it again.  Then they brought it back in the nineties, 'they' being some complete f*ckwits, not Gibson & Wagner I hasten to add.

As for feral, well, a good winter would have killed him off hopefully.  Apparently you can get some sort of spray.

Thanks for posting McNulty, I feel someone else out there has some opinions I agree with.

pvs

p.s. I don't think Grant Morrison should be allowed to 'interfere' with any more comic characters.  Isn't there a register for that kind of thing these days, the warped freak.
Title: Re: Hey, it's Matt the Harpy...
Post by: Matt on 18 December, 2001, 02:40:17 PM
I'm just playing with you PVS, don't take it to heart. I'm not out to pull people to pieces on this board, I'm even fond of Death Monkey the young whippersnapper!
Title: Re: Survey Results: Thrill Suckers...
Post by: Thread Zero on 18 December, 2001, 04:59:26 PM
Hey Mcnulty,

Feral came out of that thing and became firekind! Or something like that!

He did, honest!
It was written by Alan Smithee (Dave Bishop in other words!) and art by Trevor Hairsine.
Too lazy to check prog numbers though!

scojo

Title: Re: We need closure!
Post by: Thread Zero on 18 December, 2001, 05:00:39 PM
Feral is a alive and well. See my previous post.

scojo
Title: Re: We need closure!
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 18 December, 2001, 05:09:47 PM
yes, he emerged from that cocoon having metamorphosed into deathmonkey23;)

steven lenfant terrible
Title: Re: We need closure!
Post by: Thread Zero on 18 December, 2001, 05:17:03 PM
yes, he emerged from that cocoon having metamorphosed into deathmonkey23;)

Ha ha!

Shouldn't Deathy be back here soon what with the end of school term coming up?

On no... Argentina diatribes and obscure music groups here we come!

scojo