I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid... (Some of 'em still do.)
Anyway, I just spotted a 1949 Schlitz advert in a Grauniad New York photo gallery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/jan/06/new-york-photography-in-pictures#/?picture=384053709&index=4) sporting the slogan: "The beer that made Milwaukee famous"...
I guess that's where the Dredd classic "The Fear that made Milwaukee famous" came from. I live and learn!
Speaking of Sinister Dexter, my son has been learning about Rome at school recently and has been marching around the house pretending to be a Centurion, chanting "Sinister, dexter, sinister, dexter..."
Apparently it means 'Left, right' in Latin.
And I seem to remember that 'sinister' got it's 'evil' connotations this way - left-handers being considered unnatural.
wasnt D.R. and Quinch a reference to the classic Quincy M.E.
We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up.
We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up.
Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,22044.0.html
We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up.
Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,22044.0.html
Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:
Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:
Brilliant! There's something I keep asking about on this forum, which I naturally can't remember at the moment (or ever), and every time I do someone reminds me that I've asked the same question n+1 times before, and had it answered each time... -sigh-
He's a pun shark. Geddit? I'll get me coat.
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:
"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"
I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie
Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie
HA! Stop Calling Me shirely! boom! boom! :lol:
I'm ashamed to say that I only "got" the band name "The Beatles" about two or three months ago. Beatles. BEATLES. Ffs, how did I live so long and not notice that?(http://www.deviantart.com/download/152359066/Idiot_Motivational_Poster_by_krawky398.jpg)
Beat Les was their very first drummer.
I can't believe I only sussed Kid Knee when reading Stronty Dog yesterday. What an idiot!
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:
"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"
I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie
Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:
"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"
I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie
Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie
could be both then... Big Eyed Beans From Venus/Bluejeans & Moonbeams by Don Van Vliet seem more likely though imho.
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:
"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"
Neil Diamond?
I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie
Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie
could be both then... Big Eyed Beans From Venus/Bluejeans & Moonbeams by Don Van Vliet seem more likely though imho.
*Ahem*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Blue_Jeans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Blue_Jeans)
Back on topic, I suppose I would have realised that GI females were called 'dolls' because of "Guys [GI's] & Dolls" if I'd thought about it long enough at the time....
I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid... (Some of 'em still do.)
Anyway, I just spotted a 1949 Schlitz advert in a Grauniad New York photo gallery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/jan/06/new-york-photography-in-pictures#/?picture=384053709&index=4) sporting the slogan: "The beer that made Milwaukee famous"...
I guess that's where the Dredd classic "The Fear that made Milwaukee famous" came from. I live and learn!
Ace Garp - Ace Card.
And "The Simping Detective" ---The Singing Detective a drama for television by Dennis Potter.
And "The Simping Detective" ---The Singing Detective a drama for television by Dennis Potter.
D'oh! How did I miss that? And why do these things always seem so obvious in retrospect?
This thread is in danger of making me feel smart!
I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid... (Some of 'em still do.) I live and learn!
Not until last year did I twig that Diagon Alley from Harry Potter is the direction Diagonally. ::)
But...they even point that out in the story.
It obviously went over his head crazyfox...
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners, too. In addition to the aforementioned "Slavers of Drule" and "Kid Knee", I give you "Mm-mm-Mattezon's", "Dobie Zitch", "Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System", "Carrington Crystal", "No Cure for Kansyr", "Rita Duckworth" "Stone Killers" and many, many more.
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners, too. In addition to the aforementioned .... I give you ...."Dobie Zitch" ..... "Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System",
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners, too. In addition to the aforementioned .... I give you ...."Dobie Zitch" ..... "Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System",
Nope - still don't get these two.
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners,..."Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System"Nope. I still don't get this one. Explanation?
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners,..."Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System"Nope. I still don't get this one. Explanation?
football mostly goes over my head so I'll just nod :)
I was told it was the words to an English football team song recorded with that Baddel chap, could have been a wind up for all I know :-[
Might as well point this out again...
In Bad Company - bloke keeping a diary is Danny Franks.
Talking of Bad Company, and as a massive Clash fan it never went over my head, but Joe Scummer - Joe Strummer.
Might as well point this out again...
In Bad Company - bloke keeping a diary is Danny Franks.
Might as well point this out again...
In Bad Company - bloke keeping a diary is Danny Franks.
Oh for fuck's sake, I can't believe I never copped that one.
"Umberto what?".
Gibson used Q.Twerk 'cute work' and UmbertoMayby Emberton.
Gibson used Q.Twerk 'cute work' and UmbertoMayby Emberton.
Blakee Pentax.
I'm still not really sure what it's supposed to mean although I have a suspicion it's "break." I used to think it must be "black" because that's what colour cameras were.
"Judge Mandroid, the good news is your armour saved you from the crash's impact. The bad news is that you now have an Eagle embedded two inches into your shoulder blade.'
If it welds itself to your nervous system perhaps it could help you fly, Controling you, making your muscles twitch in all sorts of ways to enable you to soar through the air. They could call you Eagle Angel."Judge Mandroid, the good news is your armour saved you from the crash's impact. The bad news is that you now have an Eagle embedded two inches into your shoulder blade.'
Heh. I've often thought that eagle was a bit too pointy too, although it looks good. That's one thing I'm glad they changed in the new film.
it's not really his modus operandi, so maybe Mr Ezquerra just likes big shoulder pads.
In Slaine, the quote 'He didn't think it too many'.
Was this linked to a hymn i used to sing in junior school. I cant remember the title but i think it was about Samson, a couple of lines went "with the jaw bone of an ass he slew a thousand men, and the next day he did it all again" (i think)...
Oh Drokking hell! Futsie = Foostsie!!!
Christ, I even spelt that wrong! Right, so futsie = footsie (like playing saucily with your feet.) However, from some reason I always read it as Fustie and have only read it correctly today. Whodathunk?
It took me ages to realise that Pat Wagons were so-named in reference to the supposedly inveterate criminality of the Irish.
It took me ages to realise that Pat Wagons were so-named in reference to the supposedly inveterate criminality of the Irish.
I thought Pat Wagons was a reference to Paddy Wagons, themselves reflecting that so many Irishmen joined police forces in the US.
It is and you have.Christ, I even spelt that wrong! Right, so futsie = footsie (like playing saucily with your feet.) However, from some reason I always read it as Fustie and have only read it correctly today. Whodathunk?Stallone and Cannon thought MC1 was surrounded on three sides by The Curs't Earth (rather than Curs-ed), which made me question whether I'd been reading that wrongly all those years- for all I know I have.
I started reading it at Curs't. But now pronounce it Curs-ed.
Progue.
Stallone and Cannon thought MC1 was surrounded on three sides by The Curs't Earth (rather than Curs-ed), which made me question whether I'd been reading that wrongly all those years- for all I know I have.It is and you have.
It was a few years before I understood the Helltrekkers 'next week' caption that inspired my username.
"Slow, Slow, Quick-Quag, Slow"
It's a dance move (the Tango, I think) "Slow, slow, quick - quick slow".
In my defence m'lud I was only a kid, and I still can't dance for toffee! ;)
Never saw the little Dredd face hidden in the J of the old school Dredd logo until someone pointed it out on this board.
I've always read it in my head as 'pizzen', though I knew it was a dang local accent pronunication of poison.
'pizzen' though, would have two 'z's, no matter where you were from.
Nouns like Quiz, which end in a z, take on an extra z when functioning as a verb, but the word poison (for example) takes on neither an extra n nor an extra s as part of its transformation into gerund form. The closest analogue I can think of in formal English for a bit of patois such as pizen/pizening is wizen/wizening.
Worryingly, all of my rereads of Fink stories in recent years have been vocal-acted by The Crack Fox from The Mighty Boosh. Not so much an 'over my head' thing as a 'get the drokk out of my mind!' thing.
thanks to a BBC4 doc, I only just found out that "Mr Mojo Rising" from LA woman is an anagram of Jim Morison.
After first reading of it a couple of years ago, I only recently got the Lou Scannon gag.
Judge Ocks = Ox.
Only twigged that recently!
I just got that right now.
I just got that right now.
Glad I'm not the only one.
Erm, is 'Hot Dog Run' a (nonsensical) pun on 'Hot Dog Bun'?It occurs to me know I have no idea why it should be called the Hot Dog Run. It's always just been a given that that is what it is. It doesn't even make sense in context with Hotties apparently being the MC1 term for hotdogs.
Pat wagon = patrol wagon.
Dumb, I know.
Only clicked few days ago when I was catching up on reading backlog of stuff such ad Case Files 2!
Erm, is 'Hot Dog Run' a (nonsensical) pun on 'Hot Dog Bun'?Dunno. If I've ever thought about it I'd reckon it was something to do with "hotdogging" in the sense of driving or riding in a deliberately extreme fashion.
Judge Ocks = Ox.Maybe I'm being thick but I don't get the joke here.
Only twigged that recently!
Judge Ocks = Ox.Maybe I'm being thick but I don't get the joke here.
Only twigged that recently!
Perhaps a double meaning. In old NYC they refer to police vans as 'Paddy Wagons'. I'm not clear on the reason, either coined first when used in predominantly Irish areas of the city, or, more likely, because they were manned by a predominantly Irish police force.
Perhaps a double meaning. In old NYC they refer to police vans as 'Paddy Wagons'. I'm not clear on the reason, either coined first when used in predominantly Irish areas of the city, or, more likely, because they were manned by a predominantly Irish police force.
It was Irish cops - they were essentially given the jobs in exchange for voting for the Democrats.
M.
That Zenith was actually pretty smart, and managed to talk Scott Wallace out of nuking London without St John's help.
I also thought for a long, long time that Berlin was a-bombed in reality.
Explain...
I didn't realise, as a child, that the a-bombing of Berlin was just something that happened in Zenith's universe. I thought it really happened.
Someone needs to write a flashback story explaining why Rico's hair goes from Christopher Walken to George Clooney between that framed photograph and his arrival on Titan. The expanded version of The Return of Rico (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/951.jpg) Pat Mills wrote around the time of the Stallone film wasn't much less substantial.
Although I knew McGruder was a Thatcher analogue, I never connected her referring to herself as 'we' and Thatcher's 'we are a grandmother'.
Does that make Dredd Geoffrey Howe?
"Hi Brinna, what're you watching?"
- "John Cage: Atonal Avenger."
This only a few short weeks after the same writer had a character called Cornelius Cardew save the day. Don't worry, I didn't get that reference until much later either.
Cage was the bloke who composed a three minute piece of silence, wasn't he?
Cage was the bloke who composed a three minute piece of silence, wasn't he?
4'33" actually!
Pfffft. Looking at the Clint magazine thread I've just realised why It's called CLiNT.
Pfffft. Looking at the Clint magazine thread I've just realised why It's called CLiNT.
Are you a fan of the Droid Life character Flick?
Reading the new Dan Brown novel , Inferno , I've just twigged that the Grice series was called Purgatory , and the Dredd follow-up was called Inferno. Both were parts of the Divine Comedy by Dante. Should there have been a third part called Paradise...
Reading the new Dan Brown novel, Inferno....
Reading the new Dan Brown novel , Inferno , I've just twigged that the Grice series was called Purgatory , and the Dredd follow-up was called Inferno. Both were parts of the Divine Comedy by Dante. Should there have been a third part called Paradise...
yes, that was when Wagner came back :D
Suppose I might as well share my humiliation here for those unable to read about it elsewhere. It was only on seeing the trailer at the pictures this afternoon that I realised the title of World War Z is supposed to be a pun.
So something struck me earlier - is 'kneel before Zod' a pun on 'kneel before God"?Zod makes that joke in the film when near the beginning someone says 'dear God' and he replies, 'No, Zod'
Doesn't 'Cassandra' refer to a Greek or Roman myth about a woman who could tell the future?
Probably more a reference to that (as is Anderson's name in the first place).
Doesn't 'Cassandra' refer to a Greek or Roman myth about a woman who could tell the future?
Probably more a reference to that (as is Anderson's name in the first place).
Of course, Anderson isn't the only blonde woman with psychic abilities (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ruf9JBv9V4U/SDWE82mHo_I/AAAAAAAAApo/N-jcKBo4xJ0/s1600-h/scan0001.jpg) on whom Wagner & Grant bestowed that moniker.
I like the look of this; Ortiz, demony stuff.... Probably expecting to much to ask if it was ever collected/
I like the look of this; Ortiz, demony stuff.... Probably expecting to much to ask if it was ever collected/
Not as far as I know, but there's a massive chunk of it scanned here (http://theyellowedpages.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/The%20House%20Of%20Daemon), although the oldest episode is at the bottom so, counter-intuitively, you have to start at the bottom and scroll up.
Cheers!
Jim
I like the look of this; Ortiz, demony stuff.... Probably expecting to much to ask if it was ever collected/
Not as far as I know, but there's a massive chunk of it scanned here (http://theyellowedpages.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/The%20House%20Of%20Daemon), although the oldest episode is at the bottom so, counter-intuitively, you have to start at the bottom and scroll up.
Cheers!
Jim
Not a play on words, just something I've missed in 35 years of re-reading: Walter waving Dredd on his way on the last page of Ch 2 of The Cursed Earth.
I mentioned it on another thread and thought it might be of interest here too.
I mentioned it on another thread and thought it might be of interest here too.'Okay, 'nuff said. It's truth-tellin' time, tiger'.
I mentioned it on another thread and thought it might be of interest here too.'Okay, 'nuff said. It's truth-tellin' time, tiger'.
Ok...that did go over my head... Probably exposing a terrible ignorance of popular culcha ...but what's the reference?
I didn't realise, as a child, that the a-bombing of Berlin was just something that happened in Zenith's universe. I thought it really happened.Do you remember Tharg's snotty reply to the guy who wrote in at that time to point out that only two nuclear devices were dropped on civilian populations during WWII, and that neither of them detonated over Berlin? Way to patronise a readership who grew up in a culture of war comics which at least gestured towards historical and technical accuracy.
Could be twaddle, now, but did Hester Hyman's surname have some kind of metaphorical significance? Her death bringing the mature world of politics to Dredd - breaking the, er, Hyman to signify the city's growing up, etc. Or am I talking a load of gubbins?
Could be twaddle, now, but did Hester Hyman's surname have some kind of metaphorical significance? Her death bringing the mature world of politics to Dredd - breaking the, er, Hyman to signify the city's growing up, etc. Or am I talking a load of gubbins?
I thought it was alluding to the idea of blood being shed - even though the spelling's different (Hyman/hymen) - but your version's more poetic. Hymen (capital H) was part of the Greek pantheon; associated with the siege of Troy, disguised himself under a hood to infiltrate and resist those who were holding his loved ones captive ... and that's about as much as I know about that. Except that he wears a jaggy bunnet and carries a torch - kinda like a symbol (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Wenceslas_Hollar_-_The_Greek_gods._Hymen.jpg).
this seems to hold more water than my theory.
That makes it all the more difficult to get your head round Alan Grant's claim (http://www.2000adreview.co.uk/features/interviews/2005/grant/grant3.shtml) that the story was originally about nudism.
That synth noise during Pop Master, makes the words...
Just re-reading part 1 of The Life & Death of Johnny Alpha and noticed that the reporter is a mutant. Then I realised what her mutation is... she has 3 breasts! How did I miss that first time round?
Some of the guys on another thread just worked out what a fetish is... ::)
Though having said that, I can remember being in high school and finding out my brother thought a gazebo was some kind of animal!
Though having said that, I can remember being in high school and finding out my brother thought a gazebo was some kind of animal!
Plenty of Psis in Dredd's world have been shown to have the specific ability to fool or fog sensors and computers, including Dance.
I would guess Lee Sullivan.
Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?
Barney says "G. Stoddart, other artists also involved". Huh, who he/she/they? More googling suggests maybe Graham Stoddart of FQP/Dogbreath fame?
Great question! And a great answer for anyone without a stubb gun.Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?Either way, they were certainly things that went over your head.
I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid... (Some of 'em still do.)
Anyway, I just spotted a 1949 Schlitz advert in a Grauniad New York photo gallery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/jan/06/new-york-photography-in-pictures#/?picture=384053709&index=4) sporting the slogan: "The beer that made Milwaukee famous"...
I guess that's where the Dredd classic "The Fear that made Milwaukee famous" came from. I live and learn!
Great question! And a great answer for anyone without a stubb gun.Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?Either way, they were certainly things that went over your head.
I've alwayssaid vee but, now you've brought it up, it's hard to avoid the comparison with. The Saturn V which would've been known to any schoolboy.
A third interpretation might be that, like the AK47, it's named after its inventor : Sergei Stratov.
Isn't the first syllable of 'Soviet' pronounced 'Sovv'?
Isn't the first syllable of 'Soviet' pronounced 'Sovv'?
Aye, but not if you're American.
Just noticed that the other Judge who arrests the eponymous 'Bat Mugger' is "Judge Robin". 25 years it took me to spot that!
Are the flashbacks in Trifecta tied back to a tea-and-biscuits meeting as a nod to Proust and his madeleines? Or is it something from the George Smiley stories?
What the common in "common or garden" meant. As we don't have commons north of Clapham, I just thought it was a really redundant phrase.
.. I'll eat my hat if the biscuit dunking breaking through that fog of memory isn't a la-de-da reference to poncey French books about sod all.
Same here with 'Sigh' division for me, but I took it as a shortening of Psionics due to the spelling, plus the fact psionics is an umbrella term covering all manner of psychic abilities (telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokenesis etc - thanks Wikipedia! ;)) which would also make sense.
It's "sigh", as in psychic or psionic.
It's "sigh", as in psychic or psionic.
Of course it is — there's never been any suggestion that it's an acronym, has there? If so, what does it stand for?
Also, the Greek letter Psi (the sound 'ps', and pronounced 'sigh' in English) is used as the Dept's symbol, and is associated with paranormal wotsits
Not only did I not know that, I hadn't even noticed that Psi Division had a symbol. (deep shame)
Anderson is one of the worst punning offenders, I'd say.
The P is silent, as in "swimming pool"
When Deadlock and Nemesis are looking straight ahead it's (blindingly) obvious that they are connected to one another. Or it is now, but before I just didn't see the resemblance.
When Deadlock and Nemesis are looking straight ahead it's (blindingly) obvious that they are connected to one another. Or it is now, but before I just didn't see the resemblance.
There's always been a passable similarity back in the day, even if it was just Deadlock's 'maw'.
Bisley's stint on the ABC Warriors in the late 80's was the first time I became acutely aware of it, and Deadlock's similarity to Nemesis has never been more pronounced (or cool looking) when drawn by Henry Flint.
Kevin O'Neill has some weird recurring shit going on in his head
Deadlock was originally meant to be the occupant of the Blitzspear.
just wondering: Did anyone fail to realise that Frank Quitely was a pseudonym? I copped it straight away; but I'm only curious. I won't judge you for it. I'm on your side.
No way on this good Earth is Quitely a real surname. That much was obvious.
I often wondered if his brother Gary was just playing along with the joke, or whether the name Gary Pleece was a clever pun or reference I didn't understand.
I first saw Quitely's work on The Greens (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cBb8Ud0Loz0/Tyr0X8Ch8II/AAAAAAAAA3A/CrgYQnYydXM/s1600/Quitely_3.jpg) in Electric Soup, where the allusions to classic cartoonist of old made it seem much more obvious he was working under a pen name (the initials reminded me of Fred Quimby too). I'm not sure I would have twigged so readily if I'd been introduced to him in the world of action-adventure comics, where pseudonyms are much more rare. Shaky Kane and Smudge spring to mind, but I'm not sure Chris Halls/Cunningham or the occasional, temporary LJ Silver or Q Twerk count. Anyone want to inform me that Todd Macfarlane is actually Chaim Abrahamovitch?
I remember Frank Quitely in Electric Soup; clearly a big fish in a small pond. I seriously doubt if the Rocky McBlaw artist ever made it to DC
Probably the same way you've managed to confuse Legs & Co. with the folk who performed Funky Town.
I can't remember the second one, but I do remember the first Calvin and Hobbes homage.
I seem to remember the Robbie Morrison one was explicitly Calvin and Hobbes with a psychically manifested mutant tiger?
That went over my head, I assumed it was a mythology thing but then it's a cat and not a fox so you're probably on the money
due the fact that we have nukes at Faslane
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/Batman-TheDarkKnightReturns-192.jpg)
Don't knock Tayto Park, it's surprisingly good fun - and in the process of expanding (much like its client base). However, despite the most elevated expectations, you will still be shocked by the quantity of crisps you will consume/acquire during your visit. Some stereotypes are just oft-repeated facts.
Good catch on Yod there, Bubba - never knew that.
Me neither. Douglas Wolk points out the frequent mentions of Lobsang Rampa (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa) in the work of Wagner and Grant too, suggesting that obscure, semi-comic, mystical figures occupied a significant place in their imaginative lives. Grant says Wagner went through a phase where he wore a kaftan - maybe they had the same flirtation with alternative lifestyles and quackery as the rest of the ME generation.
"Satan" has a brief sequence involving one Lobsang Gump. That first name has shown up a few times over the years in Dredd-universe stories (including one of the Branch Moronians, and the more recent "Lobsang Rampage"); it has to be a reference to the dubious British mysticist Lobsang Rampa
http://dreddreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/judge-anderson-psi-division-shamballa.html
As for the other new-to-this-survey material here: "Lobsang Rampage"--another Lobsang Rampa joke!--isn't great, but it's the only Andy Clarke-drawn episode that's not part of a longer arc (although it calls on the Nero Narcos stuff for context)
http://dreddreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/mega-city-masters-03.html
Maybe we need an "Annotated 2000AD" thread to point things out as they come through?Good one. Hopefully you can get a royalty on that if Abnett tries to sneak it in.
Aux Drift = Rorke's Drift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rorke's_Drift).
Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130315213325/judgedredd/images/3/3e/DreddAnnual19890018.jpg)
Maybe this is the most obvious thing in the world (it certainly seems to be now) but it went right over my head until last night.
The Judge Dredd story 'Father Earth' printed in 1979 was obviously a dig at flower-power hippies and cultists but I don't think I ever knew how closely it was based on a real group.
Father Earth is almost identical to 'Father Yod' of the Source Family. Not only that but the Dredd story perfectly captures Yod's contradictions, messianic behaviour, increasing insanity, anti-science, apocalypticism and criminal origins.
(http://progressive.homestead.com/yahowa/webYAHOWABW.jpg)
In addition something happens in the Father Earth story that I thought ludicrously funny when I first read it. I won't spoil either the Dredd story or the documentary but there is a similarly ludicrous event in the history of Father Yod. Again, I found myself laughing.
Also, they move to new territory and are hounded by local police...anyway, several comparisons can be made.
It also gives me a new appreciation for the kind of writing (for impressionable young minds) that tears apart this kind of 'cultist' nonsense...and kicks dust in its face.
Check it out, this documentary is available on Netflix and it's (IMHO) mind blowing. Enjoy!
Trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3f4aleOAxo
Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.Good one. Hopefully you can get a royalty on that if Abnett tries to sneak it in.
Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.Good one. Hopefully you can get a royalty on that if Abnett tries to sneak it in.
Maybe I should come up with a huge list so no matter what Mr Abnett does I can claim I thought of it first. Okay, go!
1. Edward Woofwoof.
2. Er....
3.
Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.Good one. Hopefully you can get a royalty on that if Abnett tries to sneak it in.
Maybe I should come up with a huge list so no matter what Mr Abnett does I can claim I thought of it first. Okay, go!
1. Edward Woofwoof.
2. Er....
3.
On a slightly related note, it was only recently that I learned why Edward Woodward has so many Ds in his name...
Because otherwise he'd be called Ewar Woowar. :D
Or even, do you know what you call a man balancing four planks on his head?
No? Well Edward Woodward would!
I was reading an old story last night where a Judge jumps in front of MacGruder to save her from an assassin. The judge's name is Judge Coster. tee hee
The name badge of CJ Volt's personal protection officer in Mark Millar's voodoo assassin nonsense, The Big Hit (prog 1030, art by Graham Stoddard and Jack Couvella):
(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/0654ccdf-90fb-4b9f-81cd-f3104820f8b6.jpg?t=1394385402)
Sorry JBC. Maybe you can use this one instead:
What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.
Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?
Okay then, what do you call a man with no arms and no legs you find floating in your swimming pool?Stop. Right. Their.
Bob.
Okay then, what do you call a man with no arms and no legs you find floating in your swimming pool?
Bob.
Sorry JBC. Maybe you can use this one instead:I still don't get this one. What sort of accent do you need?
What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.
Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?
Sorry JBC. Maybe you can use this one instead:I still don't get this one. What sort of accent do you need?
What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.
Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?
I'd never heard of Rampa or noticed the recurrence of the name until I read Wolk's blog - I'm sure I just thought it was a funny MC1 name, and it strikes me that might be just as likely an explanation of the apparent fascination as any possible Grant/Wagner interest in mysticism. One mention I did notice after reading Wolk's blog was a road sign reading Lobsang Ramp in the Wagner/Burns Megazine Dredd story Sleaze:"Satan" has a brief sequence involving one Lobsang Gump. That first name has shown up a few times over the years in Dredd-universe stories (including one of the Branch Moronians, and the more recent "Lobsang Rampage"); it has to be a reference to the dubious British mysticist Lobsang Rampa
http://dreddreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/judge-anderson-psi-division-shamballa.html
As for the other new-to-this-survey material here: "Lobsang Rampage"--another Lobsang Rampa joke!--isn't great, but it's the only Andy Clarke-drawn episode that's not part of a longer arc (although it calls on the Nero Narcos stuff for context)
http://dreddreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/mega-city-masters-03.html
... but everyone knows that one, no?
Aha! Remember the fun we had when the tagline on the Meg was: He is the Gore.Try Winston Churchill?Sorry JBC. Maybe you can use this one instead:I still don't get this one. What sort of accent do you need?
What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.
Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?
Judge Dredd: Hard Day's Night, prog 1339 (5/7/2003), by Morrison, Goddard, Teague, Blythe:
(http://i.imgur.com/FiNK615.jpg?1)
So what's the story here? I'm working my way through progs from 2003, and I've previously seen the names of former boarders Mogzilla and Scojo scrawled across walls and used as names of businesses. Was Tharg auctioning-off mentions for charity, or were creators just trying to curry favour with the squeakiest wheels on the relatively new phenomenon of message boards? Can I look forward to a shoot-out in the TordelBack Hottie House involving the Professor Bear Block Y-Dults?
I would have read those names at the time without having a clue who/what they referred to, since at that time The Internet was something my brother had to sneak me into his university and give me a loan of his login to access.
That episode, if memory serves, also has a panel in a corridor where the names of many boarders from that time are scrawled on the wall.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=4947.0
That episode, if memory serves, also has a panel in a corridor where the names of many boarders from that time are scrawled on the wall.
You do have a good memory, Rich. Saw this plethora of fan-wanking as I read on, but didn't want to double-post. Spurrier had been published by this point, but Barney says Arthur Wyatt was still just a fanboy like Jayzus B Christ (two mentions):
(http://i.imgur.com/96qxVf6.jpg?1)
Old hat for many of you I am sure but where is Goaty (and any other forumlings) visible in Dredd?
Radiator is the radiator to which Kay is cuffed
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through. However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent. Presumably mutation but how?
(http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kreelman.jpg)
No thermometers?
No hotdogs?
No Nintendo Wiis?
Please could someone put me out of my misery?
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through. However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent. Presumably mutation but how?
(http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kreelman.jpg)
No thermometers?
No hotdogs?
No Nintendo Wiis?
Please could someone put me out of my misery?
Looks a bit like the Norse rune Iar, 'serpent'.
Looks a bit like the Norse rune Iar, 'serpent'.
...which is used to represent the dragon Nidhogg, which is also the term used for someone with no honour, the other word for which (Nīþ) became the Old English word nithe, which in modern English is...
Hate.
Here's one that's still going over my head. Not because of a double-meaning, but because it's only ever been printed and not said out loud. Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through. However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent. Presumably mutation but how?
Here's one that's still going over my head. Not because of a double-meaning, but because it's only ever been printed and not said out loud. Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?
Necroposting somewhat...
I always assumed that the name was a reference to the guitars the Fender Stratocaster and the Gibson Flying V so it's always been 'Strato Vee' for me..
Here's one that's still going over my head. Not because of a double-meaning, but because it's only ever been printed and not said out loud. Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?
Necroposting somewhat...
I always assumed that the name was a reference to the guitars the Fender Stratocaster and the Gibson Flying V so it's always been 'Strato Vee' for me..
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through. However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent. Presumably mutation but how?
(http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kreelman.jpg)
No thermometers?
No hotdogs?
No Nintendo Wiis?
Please could someone put me out of my misery?
Not sure if this has been posted earlier, but I've just been re-reading the very excellent Trifecta and I've only just noticed that the three villains involved in the Godcity conspiracy are called Bachmann, Turner and Overdrive.
Let's Rock!
- do actual surfboards have billycords too? It sounds like an Ozification of 'umbilical' anyway
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/2000ad%200500%2033.jpg)
I don't get the last two of those. How did Chopper get his nickname?
Also, I realised on Friday why Trainspotting is called Trainspotting. (I assume it is to do with tracks?)
Also, I realised on Friday why Trainspotting is called Trainspotting. (I assume it is to do with tracks?)
Interesting detail regarding what happens to judges who don't make the grade and a rationalisation of why street judges injured in the line of duty aren't still patrolling the streets with robot legs and plasma cannons where their hands used to be * (Rennie/Richardson, House Of Pain, prog 1485):
(http://i.imgur.com/oQyMc9N.png?1)(http://i.imgur.com/q7KhPLA.png?2)
After the massacres, groups of GIs entered hamlets and set them alight using Zippo lighters and they were called 'Zippo squads'. Now I wonder if Pat Mills had that in mind when creating Zippo in ABC Warriors.
Also note the wallpaper in Renton's childhood room at his parents' house, where he stays when he's forced to move back in with them.
It's got trains all over it.
Just re-read the first Tharg strip. For the first time I realised that the queues of people waiting to see him arrive at work (as he thinks) are really just waiting for the bus.
Prog 211's Future Shock is titled 'Ernesto Hornetz must die'. A pun that completely passed me by for the last 30+ years.
D'oh! ::)
I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that. :-[
When Big Finish did the audios they had a thought that Wulf should pronounce Alpha's name "Yonny" but didn't go with it as it just doesn't sound right. Wise move.Such a shame!
When Big Finish did the audios they had a thought that Wulf should pronounce Alpha's name "Yonny" but didn't go with it as it just doesn't sound right. Wise move.Such a shame!
D'oh! ::)
I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that. :-[
Me too, DDD! :-[
D'oh! ::)
I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that. :-[
Me too, DDD! :-[
It's like Twoflower's comments about his work in either Colour of Magic or the Light Fantastic. Inn Sewer Ants was easy but for a long time I didn't get 'Repeating Sound of Underground Spirits'.
D'oh! ::)
I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that. :-[
Me too, DDD! :-[
Sorry, working from memory in early hours of morning with hangover. Always a good combination, yes? ::)
It's like Twoflower's comments about his work in either Colour of Magic or the Light Fantastic. Inn Sewer Ants was easy but for a long time I didn't get 'Repeating Sound of Underground Spirits'.
Especially as it's "Reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits"... ;)
Especially as it's "Reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits"... ;)
Your answer is correct... Gnomes in their original fairytale conception were indeed spirits. Blame C. S. Lewis and that saucy Wil Huygen for your modern confusion!
Especially as it's "Reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits"... ;)
And the answer is? My first thought was 'economics' (echo-gnomics) but gnomes aren't spirits so I'm at least half wrong.
when I realised that his best friend Doctor (that he keeps interrupting and dragging out for a chat) is named Watson.His friend's name is Wilson, but House's address is 221 Baker Street (and he's an addict) so you're essentially correct. :)
Yup, House is fairly explicitly a version of Holmes. Great series, amazing central performance. Accidentally flicking between House and Blackadder III or IV can lead to mental collapse.
Yeah, it was the explicit nature of it that hadn't twigged with me before - just about any 'tec with a tic show is riffing of Holmes but this glaringly obvious "It's exactly the bloody same except with diseases" had somehow passed me by.
instead of a 3riller, it's a 3-roller.
Okay, it's not one of the best.
Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX. To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise. Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?You are right and Tharg is wrong. Simple as that.
Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX. To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise. Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?You are right and Tharg is wrong. Simple as that.
Ha! I genuinely do. Wouldn't have occurred to me there could be another way.So presumably you pronounce Tharg's home planet as KWOX-ANN?Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX. To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise. Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?You are right and Tharg is wrong. Simple as that.
Ha! I genuinely do. Wouldn't have occurred to me there could be another way.So presumably you pronounce Tharg's home planet as KWOX-ANN?Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX. To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise. Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?You are right and Tharg is wrong. Simple as that.
..a duck noise.
Quaaaaxxan... You don't have to put on the red light...
(This is, I'll admit, dirty earworm tactics to make you all pronounce it like I do.)
Quaaaaxxan... You don't have to put on the red light...
(This is, I'll admit, dirty earworm tactics to make you all pronounce it like I do.)
That's how I pronounce it too...
P.S.: Beat you to that joke by ten years (http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/sp020.htm)!
Only just realised that 'Blockbuster' refers to people queueing for tickets 'around the block'.
Always figured it was just some nonsense phrase.
The last two frames of Necropolis - Burnt-up Dredd's face is normal again. Then it returns to burnt and scarred for the next few progs till he gets the rejuve job.
Nice spot, Jayzus, but Dredd goes into something that looks like a big toastie machine, with DERMAHEAL written on the side. It's something that heals skin, not a magic young-again machine, and nothing in the Dredd strip suggests he's ever had his youth restored.
No doubt some self-proclaimed expert has by now commented that you never mess with your logo and never cover it up and that their three-year-old daughter knows that and would do it better in Photoshop.
It was also even more low-tech than I remembered - there really wasn't much there that wouldn't be possible to do today
No doubt some self-proclaimed expert has by now commented that you never mess with your logo and never cover it up and that their three-year-old daughter knows that and would do it better in Photoshop.
Hmm, interesting. Maybe that "something else" Anderson mentioned was the fact that Dredd's a clone?
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.
No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else. Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery.
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.
No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else. Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery.
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.
No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else. Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery.
"I can feel anger and control. But there's something else, something behind the control, something almost... Oh, that's it. More anger."
This is so embarrassing.
FLO RIDA....it's F-L-O-R-I-D-A isn't it? I get up but my brain doesn't.
This is so embarrassing.:D and when discussing the relative merits of assorted rapping men, one might debate their lyrical flow. The ability to ride said flow for a sustained period would be considered an asset.
FLO RIDA....it's F-L-O-R-I-D-A isn't it? I get up but my brain doesn't.
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.
No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else. Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery.
Woops! That's what I meant. :)
Doubt.
But if course it's the unspoken mystery that makes the whole thing work.
Of course, Rico lives there now, doesn't he? No more baths for Joe.
I've only just realised what Gestapo Bob Harris' initials are...
Not comic related but...This is....I....
You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that. No wonder her husband's hair fell out...
Or was that Bisto?
So much to remember, so few brain cells left :(
You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.
Not comic related but...
You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.
Prawn cracker crushed in the bag and added to a soup of your choice. Delicious.You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.
Unfortunately the same process doesn't work so well with crisps.
Not comic related but...
You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.
Shut up. Really?
I know, I know. But that is what I was told, and shown. And it just seems so... obvious.
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that...
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that...
Clearly a case of Oxo retconning the origins story of the cube to suit a modern audience ;)
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that...
Clearly a case of Oxo retconning the origins story of the cube to suit a modern audience ;)
Coming soon: All-Star Goddamn Oxo
EDIT - Fuck. My 5000th post, and I use it to make a shit joke about stock.
When I was a kid, i thought the prize was a "cheque, book and pen".
I also thought that when something went "under the hammer" it got smashed up if no one bought it.
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia. It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).This entry? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Francisco) Doesn't matter if it went over the head of the person writing the entry or not - if it can't be supported by external citations then it shouldn't be in the article, even it's a pretty obvious pun (as long as you've heard of the original show, that is). The name Dan Francisco is a bit more of an obvious pun though...
Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia. It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).This entry? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Francisco) Doesn't matter if it went over the head of the person writing the entry or not - if it can't be supported by external citations then it shouldn't be in the article, even it's a pretty obvious pun (as long as you've heard of the original show, that is). The name Dan Francisco is a bit more of an obvious pun though...
Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that...
Clearly a case of Oxo retconning the origins story of the cube to suit a modern audience ;)
Coming soon: All-Star Goddamn Oxo
EDIT - Fuck. My 5000th post, and I use it to make a shit joke about stock.
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia. It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).This entry? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Francisco) Doesn't matter if it went over the head of the person writing the entry or not - if it can't be supported by external citations then it shouldn't be in the article, even it's a pretty obvious pun (as long as you've heard of the original show, that is). The name Dan Francisco is a bit more of an obvious pun though...
Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
That level of citation-probity hardly gels with the supposition later in the same entry that Francisco's election is a response to Obama's. The Streets of Dan Francisco is far more obviously a deliberate pun, and one that actually explains the character's bizarre name. See also: Barbara Hershey.
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia. It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).This entry? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Francisco) Doesn't matter if it went over the head of the person writing the entry or not - if it can't be supported by external citations then it shouldn't be in the article, even it's a pretty obvious pun (as long as you've heard of the original show, that is). The name Dan Francisco is a bit more of an obvious pun though...
Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
That level of citation-probity hardly gels with the supposition later in the same entry that Francisco's election is a response to Obama's. The Streets of Dan Francisco is far more obviously a deliberate pun, and one that actually explains the character's bizarre name. See also: Barbara Hershey.
Nooo.... why have a I never seen this before!! Barbara Hershey....Hershey Bar. (Slams head into desk crying at own stupidity!)
Originally the confectioners, but if I remember correctly the 'Barbara' first name came from a readers' poll in the Meg.
Heh, was reading the same thread I think.
If Huck Widney's not a real person, it could be a Scottish dialect pun in-joke thing.
If Huck Widney's not a real person, it could be a Scottish dialect pun in-joke thing.
I was thinking the same thing. To explain: in idiomatic lowland Scots, would not becomes widnae (wid-nay), just as cannot gives way to cannae (can-nay), and will not transforms into willnae (can-nay). An old Scottish joke relies on the same speech pattern:
What's the difference between Bing Crosby and Walt Disney? Bings sings but Walt Disney
I can't think of any similar joke that has the punchline Huck widnae, though.
If Huck Widney's not a real person, it could be a Scottish dialect pun in-joke thing.
I was thinking the same thing. To explain: in idiomatic lowland Scots, would not becomes widnae (wid-nay), just as cannot gives way to cannae (can-nay), and will not transforms into willnae (can-nay). An old Scottish joke relies on the same speech pattern:
What's the difference between Bing Crosby and Walt Disney? Bings sings but Walt Disney
I can't think of any similar joke that has the punchline Huck widnae, though.
Tom Sawyer wanted to swim in the Mississippi but Huck Widney /widnae...?
It's only a small thing, but it's baffled me ever since. If flying into a homicidal rage isn't madness, what exactly is it?
I hadn't seen Alien when Varks first ran, and the funny thing about things that yo
That's why I only just noticed today that Sigourney Bean bears a striking resemblance to Ripley in a not-entirely un-xenomorphic tale of genetically metamorphosing aliens in the Meg.
My mate used to say 'Roger Trooper'.
My mate used to say 'Roger Trooper'.
.
They branched out a wee while ago - they're the US network (http://www.cbs.com/) that makes rubbish like NCIS and Big Brother. They were a big name in consumer electronics in the fifties; presumably they found their way into 2000ad due to the same childhood nostalgia as a brand name like Hershey.
They branched out a wee while ago - they're the US network (http://www.cbs.com/) that makes rubbish like NCIS and Big Brother. They were a big name in consumer electronics in the fifties; presumably they found their way into 2000ad due to the same childhood nostalgia as a brand name like Hershey.
John told me it was because his dad worked for them.
I used to call Dash Decent Dash Descent.
From the intro to Slaine, in the prog before the strip started:The secret of the mound is from when he was chained up in the mound on midsummer's day (I think - don't have my copies to hand right now).
"At the age of 12 he had his first warp-spasm. At the age of 16 he learned the secret of the mound."
I'm not sure if this counts as something that went over my head at the time, or something I'm just reading too much into now.
It took me years to notice that the Resyk building is shaped like a coffin. I just thought it was a futuristic shape that McMahon had come up with.I don't remember when I noticed that, but it was quite a way down the line :-)
It took me years to notice that the Resyk building is shaped like a coffin. I just thought it was a futuristic shape that McMahon had come up with.I don't remember when I noticed that, but it was quite a way down the line :-)
It took me years to notice that the Resyk building is shaped like a coffin. I just thought it was a futuristic shape that McMahon had come up with.I don't remember when I noticed that, but it was quite a way down the line :-)
Feck. I honestly never noticed till now.
Also, I've just realised V (as in Vendetta) doesn't just signify V's cell number but also the 5th of November.
Rob Schneider was Fergee?!?!
Hurr-hurr-*SOB*
A lesser writer would have gone for the more obvious joke. But Wagner and / or Grant add an extra layer.I must be thick. What joke am I missing in that panel?
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/vera.jpg)
Id've thought the standard response was "love a duck" which has been shifted to "lay a brick"
I have an embarrassing one which occurred to me while listening to rock radio in someone's car t'other week.
Nearly 30 years after it was published, I have only just spotted what was special about the logo on Prog 502 (the Christmas Prog). '2000AD featuring Santa Dredd'I've never noticed that either. Almost-teenage me must have been distracted by something else on the cover.
Nearly 30 years after it was published, I have only just spotted what was special about the logo on Prog 502 (the Christmas Prog). '2000AD featuring Santa Dredd'I've never noticed that either. Almost-teenage me must have been distracted by something else on the cover.
Nearly 30 years after it was published, I have only just spotted what was special about the logo on Prog 502 (the Christmas Prog). '2000AD featuring Santa Dredd'I've never noticed that either. Almost-teenage me must have been distracted by something else on the cover.
He was a darn sexy Fomorian alright.
Don't think I noticed the Santa Dredd bit either.
A lesser writer would have gone for the more obvious joke. But Wagner and / or Grant add an extra layer.I must be thick. What joke am I missing in that panel?
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/vera.jpg)
The notebook given away recently as a subscriber gift had tweaked art... it had Dredd reading the Law on copyright infringement.
...that the CIA paratroopers who killed Shako's mate and cubs were named Marx and Spencer.
Didn't read the first 46 pages (late to the party), but only just realised that Johnny Alpha must of course be the best S/D agent because he is the Alpha Dog!
Can't believe I missed that one...
Did John Wagner or Alan Grant know what they were doing when they coined 'vag' as a term for vagrant?!
Its a very new one that jumped out at me, perhaps others didnt see.
Jimp Heston in the recent Meg story Monkey Business.
Homage to Charlton Heston from the original (and best) Planet of the Apes movies ?.
Its a very new one that jumped out at me, perhaps others didnt see.
Jimp Heston in the recent Meg story Monkey Business.
Homage to Charlton Heston from the original (and best) Planet of the Apes movies ?.
Hmmm, thought that one was fairly obvious.
Its a very new one that jumped out at me, perhaps others didnt see.
Jimp Heston in the recent Meg story Monkey Business.
Homage to Charlton Heston from the original (and best) Planet of the Apes movies ?.
Hmmm, thought that one was fairly obvious.
And wasn't Charlton Heston Block the location of Monkey Business, way back in the 2100s?
There was a Charlton Heston block but not related. From the City of Dredd
Charlton Heston Block
A large, well-to-do cityblock. Infected by the Block Mania, Heston formed an alliance with Ricardo Montalban Block, but was wiped out by poison gas Heston helped manufacture which accidentally leaked from the Dixy Plasteen Complex. (Block Mania; City Block)
Matheson Peat led a Block Mania-crazed Citi-Def squad from the Charlton Heston Frontliners, attacking neighbouring Michael Moore Block and the East-Meg One invasion army. Other Frontliner volunteers included Marriot, Mattocks, Rawlinson and Topley. They investigated the ruins of the Rejin Estate, where Peat discovered the half-mad Erik Rejin, the only survivor of his family. (The Final Cut)
By 2123, Heston Block had been annexed within Apetown’s borders. The ape uplift Travis Perkins was raised in Apartment 1175. (The Fierce and the Furious)
Urban created a distinctive voice to make him seem tough: “In my research I came across a passage in one of the Dredd comics, saying Dredd’s voice sounded like a saw cutting through bone. So for me that was kind of the starting point" The Huffington Post, 03/09/2012 (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/03/dredd-3d-star-karl-urban-violence-shocked_n_1851730.html)
Brigand Doom
Brigand DoomNot convinced by this one.
Brigand DoomNot convinced by this one.
When I saw that cover pop up on Facebook it reminded me that I've always suspected Dave D'Antiquis was a play on words but I've never been able to work out what it might be.
Oh, that's a good effort!... I've always suspected Dave D'Antiquis was a play on words but I've never been able to work out what it might be.I always figured it was meant to sound like "Day of the Anti-Christ."
Brigand DoomNot convinced by this one.
Brigand DoomNot convinced by this one.
You saw the rain dirty valley?
Hewligan = Hooligan.
From a drunken moment of clarity, chatting to DDD at the 40th.
Hewligan = Hooligan.
From a drunken moment of clarity, chatting to DDD at the 40th.
You got that it was also Hewlett and Milligan though?
So you know how we never saw Nemesis in the first few episodes of Book 1 and he was only revealed later? (In the Sci-fi Special IIRC.)
So what is the Cornelius Cardew thing?In addition to being Skizz's pipe fitting mate, he was an English avant-garde composer and "loony leftie" who grew up not terribly far from Northampton.
So what is the Cornelius Cardew thing?In addition to being Skizz's pipe fitting mate, he was an English avant-garde composer and "loony leftie" who grew up not terribly far from Northampton.
It took me way too long to cop that Armoured Gideon sounded like Armageddon.
Hewligan = Hooligan.
From a drunken moment of clarity, chatting to DDD at the 40th.
You got that it was also Hewlett and Milligan though?
Yup, of course.
You know, that went right over my head.
Kidney :oWow, really? You've only just noticed? Funny because it took me longer to notice Wulf was called Sternhammer because he was a stern fellow...with a hammer. :lol:
I've often wondered how Would got so obsessed with cucumbers being a viking, as isn't it a New World fruit?* Then again, the Norsemen did cross the great divide centuries before that Columbus chap.
I suspect he picked it up later, though.
* I'm sure it's technically a fruit having seed thing inside.
Better than Harry 20's weasel obsession, anyway.
Better than Harry 20's weasel obsession, anyway.
That gets really weird when it's read in one sitting.
Hershey, Bar(bara)
Hershey, Bar(bara)
I wonder if that one was intentional? I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).
Hershey, Bar(bara)
I wonder if that one was intentional? I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).
Hershey, Bar(bara)
I wonder if that one was intentional? I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).
Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)
Better than Harry 20's weasel obsession, anyway.
Hershey, Bar(bara)
I wonder if that one was intentional? I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).
Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)
And the Hershey chocolate bar was manufactured by a confectionary firm founded by a man named Hershey! Who knows whether there might not be some actual blood relation in ancestry between the actress and the chocolate bar magnate?
Hershey, Bar(bara)
I wonder if that one was intentional? I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).
Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)
And the Hershey chocolate bar was manufactured by a confectionary firm founded by a man named Hershey! Who knows whether there might not be some actual blood relation in ancestry between the actress and the chocolate bar magnate?
And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?
And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?
Well, apart from the fact that's she's a fictional character living in some possible 'what if' science-fictional future timeline... Judges all have common names we see in real life, so why not?
I wonder if it would violate any laws if some writer put in a reference to Hershey being a descendant of one of them?
Hershey, Bar(bara)
I wonder if that one was intentional? I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).
Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)
And the Hershey chocolate bar was manufactured by a confectionary firm founded by a man named Hershey! Who knows whether there might not be some actual blood relation in ancestry between the actress and the chocolate bar magnate?
And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?
Well, apart from the fact that's she's a fictional character living in some possible 'what if' science-fictional future timeline... Judges all have common names we see in real life, so why not?
I wonder if it would violate any laws if some writer put in a reference to Hershey being a descendant of one of them?
And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?
Well, apart from the fact that's she's a fictional character living in some possible 'what if' science-fictional future timeline... Judges all have common names we see in real life, so why not?
I wonder if it would violate any laws if some writer put in a reference to Hershey being a descendant of one of them?
You and your 'fiction'.
I still like that there's a MC1 Judge who's a descendant of Dutch Schaefer.
I just found this lad. I assume that's his real name; can't see why a Safeway's salesperson would need a pseuodonym.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497)
Dredd was supposed to be black.
I just found this lad. I assume that's his real name; can't see why a Safeway's salesperson would need a pseuodonym.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497)
Hold it there now hoss, Bernard Manning you ain't.
Sir Richard Burton was the translator of the Kama Sutra. He's a different Richard Burton to the one that married Elizabeth Taylor.
I guess this is a good place to ask as any.So a Kenny Who? related question-the bit about the company using a droid to reproduce Who's art is obviously a jab at another artist,but who?(pun not intended)Which American artist of the time was copying Cam Kennedy?
Kenny who is a bit of a take on the authors own attempts to break into American comics.So Kennedy probably recognized his style in somebodies work.
And even if it isnt always obvious,people at Big 2 were familiar with 2000ad.Take for example that odd period when every superhero adopted Zeniths style of jacket over costume.Granted Paradax did it first,but you know what I meant.
Kenny who is a bit of a take on the authors own attempts to break into American comics.
"I asked him if he was Denny O'Neil and then told him I was Cam Kennedy from Scotland. He just looked at me and said "Kenny Who?"
I assume Kenny Who was more a Jab at IPC/Fleetway and the battle for royalties etc.I figured out that part,I was just wondering if Kennedy thought another artist was ripping him off.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GA_S-71DQGY/TuRvMC5A5wI/AAAAAAAAAY8/v-HPDa53dko/s1600/creatorsrights.jpg)
Was it from that story where they let a bunch of the artists do one page of whatever they wanted, and they refused to print Mick McMahon's? I remember something about there being a charge of swiping leveled at somebody in that one (not McMahon's page, I think)?
Was it from that story where they let a bunch of the artists do one page of whatever they wanted, and they refused to print Mick McMahon's? I remember something about there being a charge of swiping leveled at somebody in that one (not McMahon's page, I think)?
https://books.google.ie/books?id=dyrcCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT21&lpg=PT21&dq=mike+mcmahon+prog+500&source=bl&ots=g4Ue_YcvCD&sig=LOGaBumg9I3vYSC8UYjk0MXl_NY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAw6mFmqfTAhXHB8AKHTF7Ab0Q6AEIRDAG#v=onepage&q=mike%20mcmahon%20prog%20500&f=false
Right, that was it. "Tharg's Head Revisited", in Prog 500. And it was Mick McMahon accusing the plagiarization? I wasn't sure if Cam Kennedy had been involved in that and drawn a page, perhaps utilizing Kenny Who? to comment on another artist appropriating his work.That page is reprinted in Judge Dredd: The Mega-History (along with the Brian Bolland page that was also cut from the same strip) and the commentary makes it clear which specific artist McMahon was accusing - but it wasn't Kennedy.
Right, that was it. "Tharg's Head Revisited", in Prog 500. And it was Mick McMahon accusing the plagiarization? I wasn't sure if Cam Kennedy had been involved in that and drawn a page, perhaps utilizing Kenny Who? to comment on another artist appropriating his work.That page is reprinted in Judge Dredd: The Mega-History (along with the Brian Bolland page that was also cut from the same strip) and the commentary makes it clear which specific artist McMahon was accusing - but it wasn't Kennedy.
It was Brett Ewins. That's in the link that Joe Soap posted to the relevant Google Books page from the 2000 AD Creator Interviews Vol. 04. Ewins is quoted in response to McMahon's page from "Tharg's Head Revisited", so you may want to check it out.
It was Brett Ewins. That's in the link that Joe Soap posted to the relevant Google Books page from the 2000 AD Creator Interviews Vol. 04. Ewins is quoted in response to McMahon's page from "Tharg's Head Revisited", so you may want to check it out.
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.
Going back to the Kenny Who? story, I suspect that Wagner & Kennedy were referencing a problem which had become a general issue in the industry at the time (rather than something that had happened to Cam himself).
It's interesting to note that the same thing has happened with composers of big-budget Hollywood movie soundtracks (https://youtu.be/7vfqkvwW2fs?t=9m43s (https://youtu.be/7vfqkvwW2fs?t=9m43s)) who are being asked to emulate existing temp tracks used during editing. Some things never change!
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.
Apart from the innumerable swipes from Gibbons in his Rogue Trooper run, and the similar number of Bolland lifts on Anderson, which were also (presumably) "one-offs".
IIRC, the specific thing that enraged Mick, was Brett's cover for GW's 'Judgement Day' RPG scenario, which he felt was a fairly shameless swipe of Mick's iconic Cursed Earth cover…
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-Ge006dwDYs/maxresdefault.jpg)
(http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9116/328958-19752-125200-1-2000-a-d.jpg)
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.
Apart from the innumerable swipes from Gibbons in his Rogue Trooper run, and the similar number of Bolland lifts on Anderson, which were also (presumably) "one-offs".
IIRC, the specific thing that enraged Mick, was Brett's cover for GW's 'Judgement Day' RPG scenario, which he felt was a fairly shameless swipe of Mick's iconic Cursed Earth cover…
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-Ge006dwDYs/maxresdefault.jpg)
(http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9116/328958-19752-125200-1-2000-a-d.jpg)
Well, this is another example where you don't know. I mean you don't know whether the art editor at Games Workshop just called up Brett Ewins and hired him because he WAS Brett Ewins, or maybe the art editor was really hoping to hire Mick McMahon but he wasn't available (too busy with 2000 AD assignments) or wasn't interested (not offered enough money). Or even if the art editor thought somehow (misunderstanding, or just ignorance?) he had hired the Judge Dredd artist who had drawn the cover of Prog 61, specifically because he wanted a cover for the Judgment Day module to look like the cover of Prog 61. We just don't know what the particular circumstances around that cover were, because sometimes "art direction" can be very much like "I was only following orders", and that's just exactly what the art editor ordered.
In essence, we can't really know whether Ewins was hired for the GW job and given an entirely free hand in choosing how to compose the cover for that module. In that respect, using an independently-contracted example of a swipe which falls outside the aegis of a normal 2000 AD publication, seems like not the best proof of guilt in and of itself. Its only value is if it can be persuasive as a particular egregious instance among many many others. I don't say those hypothetical "many" don't exist, but narrowing it down to just one (and one in which the genesis of the cover concept might be said to be outside the normal operations of 2000 AD editorial, and thus especially dubious) is far less persuasive than if the choice of layout and subject for the cover could be narrowed down to no other realistic possibility than the executor of the actual drawing. Sometimes, the actual job of work is to execute a swipe. That really does happen, and is not known to be uncommon in merchandising art.
Well, this is another example where you don't know. —SNIP—
Well, this is another example where you don't know. —SNIP—Well, that really was an awful lot of words deployed in service of disagreeing with a point I didn't make.
I read it as "you don't know" in the vernacular (i.e. "one doesn't know") rather than it being a personal reference. Or have I misunderstood?
Well, this is another example where you don't know. —SNIP—Well, that really was an awful lot of words deployed in service of disagreeing with a point I didn't make.
I read it as "you don't know" in the vernacular (i.e. "one doesn't know") rather than it being a personal reference. Or have I misunderstood?
This just came up in discussion on the FB art group... The classic Gary Rice / Brett Ewins Future Shock from Prog 206, 'The Last Man' bears a striking resemblance to a story published in Heavy Metal the very same month (April 1981). As detailed in the blog linked to below, "'Good-bye, Soldier !', written by Ricardo Barreiro, with distinctive black and white art by Juan Giminez".
Anyone know whether this was printed in French earlier in Metal Hurlant?
(http://i.imgur.com/HNV18rf.jpg)
You can see the whole story via the link below; too similar to be a coincidence, although Brett's visuals for the ending are unbeatable...
http://theporporbooksblog.blogspot.no/2011/04/heavy-metal-magazine-april-1981-heavy.html
Yes, perhaps I should have said "nobody knows", but that's it. There's a basic inequality in trying to judge the motives behind the creation of a piece of Dredd merchandising art against what was normally being published in 2000 AD.
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.
Apart from the innumerable swipes from Gibbons in his Rogue Trooper run, and the similar number of Bolland lifts on Anderson, which were also (presumably) "one-offs".
There was one image that I did, as I was racing against time, where I used a Mike McMahon image -- I only did that once . . . But there are times I've had to lift an artist because otherwise there's not going to be anything on that page. So there's a couple of times I've had to trace stuff off, but literally there's only one time I've had to do that with Mick's work.
To clarify lest anyone misinterprifies, Brett said he swiped once-only from Mick not that he hadn't done so from other artists. From 2000 AD: THE CREATOR INTERVIEWS:
Yes, perhaps I should have said "nobody knows", but that's it. There's a basic inequality in trying to judge the motives behind the creation of a piece of Dredd merchandising art against what was normally being published in 2000 AD.
Again, I didn't say anything about motive, only that Ewins had previous form for swiping and that McMahon had expressed displeasure at the close similarities between his Dredd art and a piece of GW cover art by another artist. The only motive I'd speculate on in that scenario is, given his tireless experimentation and reinvention of his style, that Mick probably felt he'd have done a better job on a homage to his Prog 61 cover than another artist doing a fairly straight lift.
I always find the "Brett the copyist" discussion fascinating, because that was his styleit all looked like Ewins to me, and it all looked good.
Stick an 'after McMahon' box in the corner and we're good.
On re-reading - I've just realised that the Dredd Strip 'Night of the Bloodbeast' (Prog. 138) features cameos from Digby (Dan Dare), The Spirit, E-Man and at least three other characters who are clearly meant to be someone but I don't know who...
On re-reading - I've just realised that the Dredd Strip 'Night of the Bloodbeast' (Prog. 138) features cameos from Digby (Dan Dare), The Spirit, E-Man and at least three other characters who are clearly meant to be someone but I don't know who...
E-Man? Now there's an unlikely cameo homage. I was reading another 2000 AD story the other day and almost thought I saw an homage to John Byrne's robot character ROG-2000 from Charlton Comics, but after looking more closely, I decided it was probably a simple coincidence of similar design. Obviously that wasn't the case in Prog 138, since several different characters appeared in cameo homages.
On re-reading - I've just realised that the Dredd Strip 'Night of the Bloodbeast' (Prog. 138) features cameos from Digby (Dan Dare), The Spirit, E-Man and at least three other characters who are clearly meant to be someone but I don't know who...
E-Man? Now there's an unlikely cameo homage. I was reading another 2000 AD story the other day and almost thought I saw an homage to John Byrne's robot character ROG-2000 from Charlton Comics, but after looking more closely, I decided it was probably a simple coincidence of similar design. Obviously that wasn't the case in Prog 138, since several different characters appeared in cameo homages.
I wonder who the man at back left is intended to be and the woman?
(http://i.imgur.com/d71FOv0.png)
(Cannot work out how to embed?)
(http://i.imgur.com/d71FOv0.png)
Unless the spear is significant in some way, I'd be inclined to say the man looks like he's wearing glasses (or has bags under his eyes), and possibly has a mustache. This seems more likely to be an editor, writer, or artist for 2000 AD, but I have no idea who it might be. Anyone want to take a guess?
As for the woman, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what she's wearing on her head. Seems like she must be a comics character, but nary as clue as to which one.
Unless the spear is significant in some way, I'd be inclined to say the man looks like he's wearing glasses (or has bags under his eyes), and possibly has a mustache. This seems more likely to be an editor, writer, or artist for 2000 AD, but I have no idea who it might be. Anyone want to take a guess?
Looks a bit like John Wagner...As for the woman, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what she's wearing on her head. Seems like she must be a comics character, but nary as clue as to which one.
She's wearing a pillbox hat with a veil (the picture is a lot clearer in the original prog), so I'm guessing she's a femme fatale from The Spirit.
This? (http://comixjoint.com/man-2nd.html)
Something else I missed first time around - all the on-going talk about Dredd's age - Bizmo Klux (the Radbeast from Night of the Radbeast) is a springly 134 when they throw him in the pit... (born July 12th 1971).
I've never seen Garry Leach so I'm just wondering if its him?
I've never seen Garry Leach so I'm just wondering if its him?
That was my initial thought too, especially after finding a photo (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9241/691694-03_x_force_05.jpg) of him (making presumptions about what he might look like younger). However, it would not explain the spear.
I just read a story in the 2000 AD's Greatest: Celebrating 40 Years collection where Kevin O'Neill appears as a character (who turns out to be the perp in this Dredd story). Can't remember the title or the Prog, but in the story O'Neill tries to sell Dredd a Dream Machine (which is like some kind of holographic TV that projects virtual fantasies). His name is mentioned several times in the story, so it isn't like one of those cameo background characters named after one of the 2000 AD staff or creator-droids.
In the plot of the story O'Neill is a really a disgruntled ex-employee of the company selling the dream machines, and O'Neill is going around as a (unauthorized) door-to-door salesman so that he can sneak into the conapts of the company's higher-ups and off them. It's one of the early Progs, because Dredd's in his apartment, and his housekeeper Maria and Walter the Wobot are there. The art wasn't by O'Neill but drawn by Carlos Ezquerra. I don't know if Ezquerra drew O'Neill as an actual caricature of his likeness.
I just read a story in the 2000 AD's Greatest: Celebrating 40 Years collection where Kevin O'Neill appears as a character (who turns out to be the perp in this Dredd story). Can't remember the title or the Prog, but in the story O'Neill tries to sell Dredd a Dream Machine (which is like some kind of holographic TV that projects virtual fantasies). His name is mentioned several times in the story, so it isn't like one of those cameo background characters named after one of the 2000 AD staff or creator-droids.
In the plot of the story O'Neill is a really a disgruntled ex-employee of the company selling the dream machines, and O'Neill is going around as a (unauthorized) door-to-door salesman so that he can sneak into the conapts of the company's higher-ups and off them. It's one of the early Progs, because Dredd's in his apartment, and his housekeeper Maria and Walter the Wobot are there. The art wasn't by O'Neill but drawn by Carlos Ezquerra. I don't know if Ezquerra drew O'Neill as an actual caricature of his likeness.
It's 'Krong' from prog 5, isn't it?
(https://mydreddfulyear.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/prog-05.jpg)
I don't know if anyone can say whether or not Ezquerra actually caricatured the 2000 AD artist's likeness there. I've never seen any pictures of Kevin O'Neill from the late 1970s, so I don't know what he looked like then.
Looks a bit like John Wagner...
Biffo the Bear from the Beano, possible Peter Pan with vuvuzela, Howard the Duck, Starzan from Wally Wood's Sally Forth and Popeye.
That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:
Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...
That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!
Judgement Day was the worst 'epic' until Helter Skelter… and I include Inferno in that assessment.* I quite liked some of Ennis' shorter Dredds, but his extended storylines bear no kind of scrutiny at all.
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:
Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...
That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!
But an Aussie version of Lenny Bruce? I can see where I'd miss that; I'd just assumed it was perhaps a common surname in Australia. At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.
It's easy to see where I'd not recognize the Sabbat thing, since the only Dennis the Menace I'm familiar with is the American comic panel (later a long-running comic book) created by Hank Ketcham, and the other Dennis appeared in The Beano, which I've never read.
At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.
At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.
If I was thinking of OZ, I'd mention OZ.
I don't think the 'homage' goes past the name. I couldn't tell there being any other similarity between Judge Bruce and Lenny Bruce.
The name Bruce is associated to Australia, which is probably how the original writers gave the character that name, but even then its more as a forename.
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:
Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...
That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!
But an Aussie version of Lenny Bruce? I can see where I'd miss that; I'd just assumed it was perhaps a common surname in Australia. At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.
Haven't read 'Judgement Day' and it's been an age since I flicked through 'Oz' but doesn't giving Judge Bruce a 'first' name kind of miss the point? In that 'Bruce' is his first name? What with the Oz Judges being far more laid-back, they're all referred to by their givens!
Or is that something that should have gone over my head?
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:
Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...
That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!
But an Aussie version of Lenny Bruce? I can see where I'd miss that; I'd just assumed it was perhaps a common surname in Australia. At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.
This may be a case of something going over Garth Ennis' head...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyVX3uJpqxc
...or more likely he just didn't care.
Regards,
Robin
Let's not forget that this has been a point of confusion ever since Judge Rico (who technically, should also have been Judge Dredd).
My favourite idea is that their badges contain some kind of bluetooth identifying transmitter thingummies.
There must be more than one Judge Smith or Judge Jones - I always wondered how Justice Department dealt with that. Maybe they get a number as well, like the Welsh soldiers in Zulu (eg., 347 Jones), or maybe they use first or nicknames as already suggested. My favourite idea is that their badges contain some kind of bluetooth identifying transmitter thingummies.
Am I missing something or is there a bit of overthinking going on here?
Oz. Judge Bruce is a throwaway joke by the writers based on national stereotypes and it being funny to have a forename for a surname.
Judgement Day. "Alright, Lenny?" is a throwaway joke by the character based on the writer's youthful belief in the superiority of his own tastes in popular culture, in this case heavily influenced by Bill Hicks. It's not saying that's the judge's actual name.
It's the same as me being introduced to someone called Mr Marx and saying "Alright, Harpo?"
Am I missing something or is there a bit of overthinking going on here?
Cosh is correct...
We've also seen this issue explored: when Rico II shows up in MC2 he too is a Cadet Dredd, but elects to take 'Rico' to avoid confusion (and give his clone-uncle another shake). Presumably a similar decision was made before: two identical Judge Dredds is asking for trouble.
Let's not forget that this has been a point of confusion ever since Judge Rico (who technically, should also have been Judge Dredd).
Let's not forget that this has been a point of confusion ever since Judge Rico (who technically, should also have been Judge Dredd).
He was, originally.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Rico2.jpg)
Am I missing something or is there a bit of overthinking going on here?
Oz. Judge Bruce is a throwaway joke by the writers based on national stereotypes and it being funny to have a forename for a surname.
Judgement Day. "Alright, Lenny?" is a throwaway joke by the character based on the writer's youthful belief in the superiority of his own tastes in popular culture, in this case heavily influenced by Bill Hicks. It's not saying that's the judge's actual name.
It's the same as me being introduced to someone called Mr Marx and saying "Alright, Harpo?"
My thought was that the Judgement Day line was a throwaway line, as you say (though I've not read the panels in question in some time).
Judgement Day. "Alright, Lenny?" is a throwaway joke by the character based on the writer's youthful belief in the superiority of his own tastes in popular culture, in this case heavily influenced by Bill Hicks.
The single panel is on page 99 of the trade paperback. After a brief snippet of conversation between Judge Bruce and Judge Joyce, as they're parting, Judge Bruce looks at Judge Joyce and says "Charlie.", and Judge Joyce looks back at Judge Bruce and says "Lenny." That's the whole thing.
We've also seen this issue explored: when Rico II shows up in MC2 he too is a Cadet Dredd, but elects to take 'Rico' to avoid confusion (and give his clone-uncle another shake). Presumably a similar decision was made before: two identical Judge Dredds is asking for trouble.
An excellent point, although it does makes you wonder why they both wouldn't identified by their first names, since they were cloned and entered the academy at the same time. While they're both clones of Fargo, yet not named Fargo, wouldn't it have been easier to just give them both different surnames?
Still, when you think about it, there must be a lot of Judges who have the same last names (not necessarily related to each other), in a city as large as the Big Meg?
Yet there are also flashback sequences that show him with a badge that reads RICO, so someone chose to retcon that appearance in subsequent flashbacks. The original panel makes more sense, so why they didn't leave it that way... is probably what TordelBack says, that it would be too confusing having 2 Judge Dredds who look identical (until Rico's incarceration on Titan).
Hindsight is 20/20, but they could have avoided those problems by just giving both of Judge Fargo's clones different last names.
Yet there are also flashback sequences that show him with a badge that reads RICO, so someone chose to retcon that appearance in subsequent flashbacks. The original panel makes more sense, so why they didn't leave it that way... is probably what TordelBack says, that it would be too confusing having 2 Judge Dredds who look identical (until Rico's incarceration on Titan).
Hindsight is 20/20, but they could have avoided those problems by just giving both of Judge Fargo's clones different last names.
Of course, but no one thought there'd be lots of debatin' a 'one-off' comic character's name 4 weeks, let alone 40 years, after he met his contemporaneous end.
I read that it was written as a quick fill-in story (Progs 29-30 being all Mills wrote of Dredd until the longer Cursed Earth saga from Progs 61-70, 81-85), so obviously no thought was given to the lasting ramifications, never mind that it would become a cornerstone of the Dredd mythos. This being the very first hint we get of Dredd's origins, though, maybe it ought to have been more foreseeable.
I read that it was written as a quick fill-in story (Progs 29-30 being all Mills wrote of Dredd until the longer Cursed Earth saga from Progs 61-70, 81-85), so obviously no thought was given to the lasting ramifications, never mind that it would become a cornerstone of the Dredd mythos. This being the very first hint we get of Dredd's origins, though, maybe it ought to have been more foreseeable.
Comics rarely lasted more than 5 years so it was all rather fluid – Dredd almost had an ex-girlfriend (https://books.google.ie/books?id=ReEQDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT79&lpg=PT79&dq=dredd%27s+girlfriend+blood+of+satanus&source=bl&ots=0z_CcI1vfr&sig=1UdD8UAHqYyhb4CZgk80_Qm1enY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEnJCL9tTTAhVKCsAKHagdDlIQ6AEINjAD#v=onepage&q=dredd's%20girlfriend%20blood%20of%20satanus&f=false).
It makes me think there's got to be a huge past continuity story waiting to be told somewhere explaining just how it is that the two turned out so differently
It makes me think there's got to be a huge past continuity story waiting to be told somewhere explaining just how it is that the two turned out so differently -- when you stop to consider that they originally fit the old expression "like two peas in a pod" more closely than any two individuals (even identical twins) EVER have in the real world.
Anyone want to weigh in with bouquets or brickbats for the Tour of Duty and Day of Chaos storylines, which are also tentatively on my list?
I'd maybe prioritise Trifecta over the DoC:Fallout volume, which is by no means essential and mainly a case of Carroll and Williams setting things up for ongoing storylines that aren't actually resolved in that book. That said, I suspect you ought to be au fait with both The Simping Detective and Low Life before tackling Trifecta*, so that's just adding even more to your reading list...!
Titan is maybe the best call for a post-DoC volume, but once again you really will need some familiarity with Low Life for that one...
*Also, given the scripters' very strong 'voices', SD and LL are just that bit more subjective than your average Dredd script - you may love 'em, they may fail completely to be your cup of tea.
Trifecta
(Judge Dredd stories from 2000 AD Progs 1803 and 1806-1812, The Simping Detective stories from 2000 AD Progs 1804-1811, and Low Life stories from 2000 AD Progs 1805-1811)
Also, I've read a couple of chapters of Insurrection, and found the basic premise of that spinoff (space mining colonists decide to secede from Mega-City One) to be pretty interesting. I know the story's been collected in a couple of volumes, which I'm presuming require no real background reading... Any thoughts?
You don't need any background reading for Insurrection, though Insurrection itself is background reading for another, more recent series. But I'm not going to tell you what that series is as it's a surprise appearance ;-)
You don't need any background reading for Insurrection, though Insurrection itself is background reading for another, more recent series. But I'm not going to tell you what that series is as it's a surprise appearance ;-)
I must confess I'm puzzled by this - another megazine strip?
Insurrection is a series by Dan Abnett published in Judge Dredd Megazine starting in January 2009. Abnett explains that "the actual brief was to bring to the Dredd Universe something of the epic war-in-space scale of the stuff I write for Warhammer 40K. Tharg (Matt to his friends) wanted a stonking big space war story that would suit the universe of the Mega-Cities".
The series was drawn by artist Colin MacNeil, who has also worked on a number of Warhammer 40K stories, and one reviewer notes the similarities suggesting "MacNeil is reprising exactly the same art style that he used on the "Bloodquest" strip in the Warhammer Monthly comic."
The reception has been positive with reviews of the first episode suggesting "With cracking art and a storming first episode I have to say ‘Insurrection’ has the potential to be the best Dredd off world spin-off ever" and "This was as good a first episode as I can remember reading and I can see Insurrection having the legs to deliver on that initial promise." Reviews only got better after that, including: "Quite simply, this is the best non-Dredd story ever to run in the Megazine" and "glorious"
You don't need any background reading for Insurrection, though Insurrection itself is background reading for another, more recent series. But I'm not going to tell you what that series is as it's a surprise appearance ;-)
I must confess I'm puzzled by this - another megazine strip?
Not exactly 2kAD related,but I guess this is as good as thread as any.Rodney has a Dan Dare shirt in a few episodes.Took me years to notice that.:)
(http://itsgoneviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Dan-Dare.jpg)
You've got the people who only like the original Frank Hampson version of Dan Dare in the same way as you've got the people who only like the original Alex Raymond version of Flash Gordon. Then you've got the people who like both the Raymond Flash Gordon and the later version by Dan Barry, and the people who like both the Hampson Dan Dare and the later version from 2000AD, even though in both cases the two versions are substantially different. The original artists on both characters each worked on them for just about a decade. Even though they were both science fiction heroes, they're less alike as characters than they are in the parallels between their original incarnations and their later incarnations.
You've got the people who only like the original Frank Hampson version of Dan Dare in the same way as you've got the people who only like the original Alex Raymond version of Flash Gordon. Then you've got the people who like both the Raymond Flash Gordon and the later version by Dan Barry, and the people who like both the Hampson Dan Dare and the later version from 2000AD, even though in both cases the two versions are substantially different. The original artists on both characters each worked on them for just about a decade. Even though they were both science fiction heroes, they're less alike as characters than they are in the parallels between their original incarnations and their later incarnations.
My head hurts!
Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.
Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.
I'd never thought about it, but I started reading Eagle and 2000AD at around the same time, so I was introduced to the name Dan Dare by the New Eagle version - the original's grandson, I believe, though the original did pop up via time travel. That's the Eagle original, not the post-cryosleep 2000AD original.
Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.
I'd never thought about it, but I started reading Eagle and 2000AD at around the same time, so I was introduced to the name Dan Dare by the New Eagle version - the original's grandson, I believe, though the original did pop up via time travel. That's the Eagle original, not the post-cryosleep 2000AD original.
I was under the impression that when Eagle was revived in the 1980s, it was published by IPC. Is that not the case? Or did they just choose to ignore what 2000AD had done with the character?
Have the stories you're talking about had a reprint collection somewhere?
Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.
I'd never thought about it, but I started reading Eagle and 2000AD at around the same time, so I was introduced to the name Dan Dare by the New Eagle version - the original's grandson, I believe, though the original did pop up via time travel. That's the Eagle original, not the post-cryosleep 2000AD original.
I was under the impression that when Eagle was revived in the 1980s, it was published by IPC. Is that not the case? Or did they just choose to ignore what 2000AD had done with the character?
Have the stories you're talking about had a reprint collection somewhere?
When 2000AD was launched by IPC in 1977 they tacked on the Dan Dare name to their more punky Bowie-esque space hero and got around it by saying he'd been in cryo for however-long-it-is. When new Eagle was launched four or five years later, also by IPC, they again tacked on the Dan Dare name to their space hero (more military, not so punky) and got around it by saying he was the grandson of the character the reader's parents would have read about when they were kids. Once it had been running a few years, for some reason, they brought the original Dan Dare (ignoring the space accident / cryo / face change / cosmic claw). I didn't say that neither was published by IPC.
There's a scene in one of the stories where Johnny talks about how expensive those Time Bombs are
No-one had any equipment in the Lyran dimension - other than a skateboard and Johnny's last scraps - so it would probably have to have used the Doghouse time machine, which was destroyed. Based on later events, a carefully-set timebomb should get you there, but you have the problem of how to programme co-ordinates for a mystical dimension - and the paradoxical issues of taking a trip to prevent a death which caused your trip. Note that all Johnny's timejobs are by way of retributive justice or fixing a problem caused by time travel, never prevention of an event that has already occurred.
Plus the Moses Incident sets a precedent for not using t-weapins to undo a death.
The magic dimension thing could have been explained away - they have d-warp technology after all.
The magic dimension thing could have been explained away - they have d-warp technology after all.
But it's too easy to just hand wave away death with no repercussions. In Life and Death, Feral paid a price and Johnny wasn't exactly undamaged by his revival.
A more vicious stront could use a drogue to have someone straddled between life and death, rocking the device forwards and backwards.
No-one had any equipment in the Lyran dimension - other than a skateboard and Johnny's last scraps - so it would probably have to have used the Doghouse time machine, which was destroyed. Based on later events, a carefully-set timebomb should get you there, but you have the problem of how to programme co-ordinates for a mystical dimension - and the paradoxical issues of taking a trip to prevent a death which caused your trip. Note that all Johnny's timejobs are by way of retributive justice or fixing a problem caused by time travel, never prevention of an event that has already occurred.
Plus the Moses Incident sets a precedent for not using t-weapins to undo a death.
Yeah, the whole Schicklegruber Grab is not based around stopping Hitler but to bring him to justice when it won't affect the timeline.
A price must be paid.
Kidney? ;)
Kidney? ;)I never got the pun, Kidney? What relevance has that got to his mutation. :|
While the name Kid Knee didn't go over my head when I was a nipper the name Durham Red continues to do so...
Maybe this has come up before but anyone know where Wagner/Grant got her name from?
While the name Kid Knee didn't go over my head when I was a nipper the name Durham Red continues to do so...
Maybe this has come up before but anyone know where Wagner/Grant got her name from?
It's a football thing. If Alan Grant had got his way, she'd have been called Chelsea Blue!
Middenface McNulty went over my head. Obviously it's alliterative, but what's the joke?
I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).
Not really a pun but his actual (mildly funny) name. McNulty is his real surname, and Middenface is just thesort of thing a dusgruntled scottish parent might christen a mutant baby.
While the name Kid Knee didn't go over my head when I was a nipper the name Durham Red continues to do so.
For some reason I seem to remember a school friend and myself thinking it was a type of chicken. I don't think this is the case though.
There is a brick called a Durham Red and there is a breed of cow called a Durham and is sometimes known as a Durham Red.
Maybe this has come up before but anyone know where Wagner/Grant got her name from?
I presume they actually christened him Archibald, since that's his real name. Can't remember much about the Young Middenface series, so dunno if it tells us when he first acquired the nickname.
I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.
... if her cultural heritage is one that puts the family name second. (Much of south-east Asia puts the family name first.)
It's a little hard to explain, but something like "ya wee midden" could be used affectionately or as an insult.I have a Scottish friend from Aberdeen that used to call me a Midden, I thought it was a term of endearment... the cheeky mare.
I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).
Lucy Durham: dosn't she present shows on Edwardian kitchenware?
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.
... if her cultural heritage is one that puts the family name second. (Much of south-east Asia puts the family name first.)
Sure, but not in this case- I'm pretty certain it was explicitly stated that Durham is her (married) surname.
And her 'real' first name is Lucy. *
* According to Ho-Gan.
It's a little hard to explain, but something like "ya wee midden" could be used affectionately or as an insult.I have a Scottish friend from Aberdeen that used to call me a Midden, I thought it was a term of endearment... the cheeky mare.
I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.
... if her cultural heritage is one that puts the family name second. (Much of south-east Asia puts the family name first.)
Sure, but not in this case- I'm pretty certain it was explicitly stated that Durham is her (married) surname.
And her 'real' first name is Lucy. *
* According to Ho-Gan.
She's also from somewhere near Milton Keynes (she moves there after her parents die when she's 10) rather than from Durham, too - and that's in Island of the Damned by Alan Grant.
I'm saying she's originally from Oxford. I don't think she'd 'ave a Durh'm accent wi'oot it toornin' up in 'er dialogue, pet...
I'm nearly 50 and only now thanks to the Forum do I get "Rogers & Hammerstein". Perhaps that's what happens when you grow up listening to The Clash and Joy Division...or I'm just a lot dimmer than I realize.
I'm nearly 50 and only now thanks to the Forum do I get "Rogers & Hammerstein". Perhaps that's what happens when you grow up listening to The Clash and Joy Division...or I'm just a lot dimmer than I realize.
To be technically accurate... I just can't believe that a battle droid would strike up a friendship with a sewer droid. The whole thing's a bit far-fetched if you ask me.
Hmmm really? I don't think it is that much of a stretch...especially for a pun(???).
Hmmm really? I don't think it is that much of a stretch...especially for a pun(???).
I'd say it's a perfect pun. Any less 'stretchy' and it'd be a boring homonym (or just a kid's joke like the one about the shipwrecked survivors of a collision between two ships with cargoes of red and blue paint respectively). The truly great puns require the consumer to do a bit of the legwork.
General Armz. I only got it the other day.
Um ... not sure I get it. I may be being extra thick here so please forgive me for asking for elucidation.
Kingdom doesn't work for me in that sense. Gene (the) Hackman, Paul Numan, Clara Bow etc. Too contrived for me personally.
Kingdom doesn't work for me in that sense. Gene (the) Hackman, Paul Numan, Clara Bow etc. Too contrived for me personally.
I still say Kingdom needs a Ronnie Barker.
I still say Kingdom needs a Ronnie Barker.Was there a Jack Offenbark?
Not so much something that went over my head as something that went unnoticed until this morning: my copy of The ABC Warriors: The Third Element paperback actually reads 'The THRID Element' on the spine.
No proofreading going on at all that day!
Reading the new Lawless book, I only just realised Kill a Man Jaroo is a pun on Kilimanjaro.
Not so much over my head but something I hadn't noticed before last night. The Judges radio chatter at the very start of "Judge Minty" includes the old "Letsby Avenue" pun. Classic!
Reading the new Lawless book, I only just realised Kill a Man Jaroo is a pun on Kilimanjaro
My grud...
Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!
HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THAT?!?
(http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o499/woolly76/abc_zpsvmkwhihh.jpg) (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/woolly76/media/abc_zpsvmkwhihh.jpg.html)
Fuck! Can't believe I've had to have that pointed out to me! :-[
Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!
Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!
No, you fools! It's a play on the name Rob Usters, the American character actor who famously played the roles of both Rogers and Hammerstein in the 1958 biographical radio play "One Day We'll Be So Famous They'll Name A Pair Of Comedy Robots After Us".
Really?That was even explained a few times in the strip.:)
More likely a reference to the composer chappy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner), whose music was appropiated by the nazis, but may be a slight nod to oor John as well.
Was Wagner's real name common knowledge at that point? That's one of a few in-jokes referencing his identity (e.g. Fly's Eyes Wagner, Cadet Wagner's entry on the Honour Roll in Mutie the Pig) which appeared when he and/or Alan Grant were going by John Howard, TB Grover etc. (or uncredited, in the case of MTP)
I've just learned the word factotum, and realised I've missed a long-running Sin / Dex pun.What shocks me about this is that you've never read any Bukowski!
Yep, left handed people are bad and sinister.
I vaguely recall that one of the early SinDex strips actually has a little bubble explaining this very reference, as least it did in the DC-printed collections. Not going to dig them out to check mind.
I have literally just THIS SECOND realised that when Fink Angel refers to his “pizen” it’s his Cursed Earth Drawl way of saying “poison” 🤯
Pink Floyd [was]n’t actually real people...
Pink Floyd [was]n’t actually real people...
He was, he just wasn't well and stayed back at the hotel.
Pink Floyd [was]n’t actually real people...
He was, he just wasn't well and stayed back at the Hotel
Yep, left handed people are bad and sinister.
If you're ambi-dexter-ous, it's like you have two right (i.e. good/useful) hands.
Bit of S&S trivia: the "Son" in Steptoe and Son is Albert, not Harold.
Heh, poor old Harold hasn't even got his name on the gate. Those old fashioned writers really thought things through!
I hate The Good Life, I hate it.
Felicity 'Treacle' Kendal and Richard 'sugar flavoured snob' Briars. THEY'RE NOTHING BUT A COUPLE OF REACTIONARY STEREOTYPES, CONFIRMING THE MYTH THAT EVERYONE IN BRITAIN IS A LOVABLE MIDDLE CLASS ECCENTRIC, AND I HATE THEM!!
I hate The Good Life, I hate it.
Felicity 'Treacle' Kendal and Richard 'sugar flavoured snob' Briars. THEY'RE NOTHING BUT A COUPLE OF REACTIONARY STEREOTYPES, CONFIRMING THE MYTH THAT EVERYONE IN BRITAIN IS A LOVABLE MIDDLE CLASS ECCENTRIC, AND I HATE THEM!!
Hehe - my thoughts exactly - https://youtu.be/bomygz1Ygkk?t=29 (https://youtu.be/bomygz1Ygkk?t=29)
Is it Vyvyan? Is it Vyvyan? Yep!
Things that went over your head? The Young
Ones’ extra flat mate…? Wait? What?!
The DVD release of The Young Ones was annoying because they removed the Subterranean Homesick Blues bit from 'Cash'.
The best way to watch The Young Ones is on an old VHS on a wooden telly.
The DVD release of The Young Ones was annoying because they removed the Subterranean Homesick Blues bit from 'Cash'.ooh, have we got a video?
The best way to watch The Young Ones is on an old VHS on a wooden telly.
The DVD release of The Young Ones was annoying because they removed the Subterranean Homesick Blues bit from 'Cash'.
The best way to watch The Young Ones is on an old VHS on a wooden telly.
Why did the edit it out?
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!aw ffs... I nver noticed that!
Beat Les was their very first drummer.
I love that John Lennon comment when he was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world.
"He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles."
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!
Don't get it
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!
Don't get it
I've just been re-reading Dan Dare in early progs and have been scratching my head over a couple of easter eggs in The Doomsday Machine (prog 80-ish).
In the main picture I recognise the USS Enterprise, Biog Mothership, Thunderbird 3, Anastasia, Eagle Transporter, part of an X-Wing fighter, and the Metropolis Machine-Man. And other panels include the Millennium Falcon cockpit, Sandcrawler tracks and Harrier jump jet.
I'm guessing that the obscured hanging object under the "Doomsday" banner is Thunderbird 2, and suspect that the ship next to the Machine-Man hand is Fireball XL5.
However, I'm totally flummoxed over the big ship behind the Enterprise saucer with swept-back wings and "WT..." visible. Can anybody put me out of my misery?
(Also, is the striped vehicle (bottom left of this image) from anything? Kinda looks familiar.)
Looks a bit like the Speedo Ghost.
(https://i.imgur.com/pRPwFlL.png?2)
https://youtu.be/atwfWEKz00U?t=56m11s
Looks a bit like the Speedo Ghost.
Ace Trucking was a few years off yet at that point.
That Chevvy Chase wasn't Paul Simon
There’s one page of Hicklenton’s that has an editorial white blob in one corner. That’s because he drew an ejaculating penis in that space originally.
There's another notorious one, owned by another boarder, which features Purity going down on Nemesis - Hicklenton's 'gobble! gobble!' sound-effect was judiciously edited out.
There's another notorious one, owned by another boarder, which features Purity going down on Nemesis - Hicklenton's 'gobble! gobble!' sound-effect was judiciously edited out.
There's another notorious one, owned by another boarder, which features Purity going down on Nemesis - Hicklenton's 'gobble! gobble!' sound-effect was judiciously edited out.
Was there really such a panel? Not that there's anything there to go down on...
Dan Abnett's latest 'Ammo Amass' pun from Sinister Dexter finally justifies those 4 years of Latin I had to do at school...So what's the pun?
'I love, you love,
he she it loves,
we love, you love, they love'
'I love, you love,
he she it loves,
we love, you love, they love'
https://youtu.be/ZfMrbIzd69Q?t=35s
'I love, you love,
he she it loves,
we love, you love, they love'
https://youtu.be/ZfMrbIzd69Q?t=35s
Jeez luweeze, why did so many of the TV people I loved as a little kid turn out to be such truly titanic shits. Thank the good grud for Bernard Cribbins and David Attenborough (fingers crossed).
No idea if it was intentional but 'The Slavers of Drule' makes sense when you consider homonyms of 'slavers' and 'drule'.
We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up.
Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,22044.0.html
I was thinking of this one.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,25403.msg437632#msg437632
SBT
Dan Abnett's latest 'Ammo Amass' pun from Sinister Dexter finally justifies those 4 years of Latin I had to do at school...So what's the pun?
Was IPC owned by Robert Maxwell by the time Maxwell Tower was named?
It's also possible that at least one of the writers of The Thirteenth Floor was familiar with this building in Falkirk (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Maxwell+Tower,+Seaton+Pl,+Falkirk+FK1+1TF/@55.9958082,-3.7713211,3a,75y,184.34h,92.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szeucmDWajEXjAZLkWwWPbA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48887a274985c2f5:0xf07a760679088653!8m2!3d55.9955937!4d-3.7713199).
Loved a chicken metaphor.
[...snip...]
Pulling up a chair in Pseud's Corner, I speculate that, in past times, the first thing most humans would have killed (some as children) was a chicken, and offer the tenuous suggestion that this first act of sadism - or at least indifference to the suffering of another living being - may have left a lasting impression on the way political violence's greatest and most cynical exponents conceptualised the world and expressed themselves.
I believe John Wagner owns/owned some chickens.
I believe John Wagner owns/owned some chickens.
From this observation we can draw a direct line to the inspiration behind the Alpacalips War.
I've never seen the UK A Star Is Born rip-off Breaking Glass (https://youtu.be/O-c99rkQlV0?t=136)
I've a vague memory of that song from the first time round. Don't think I've heard it since. I love it. I'm going to listen to it now as I clean my boat.
I've a vague memory of that song from the first time round. Don't think I've heard it since. I love it. I'm going to listen to it now as I clean my boat.
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun,
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun, which doesn't work in an Irish accent.
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun, which doesn't work in an Irish accent.
Which bit doesn't work in an Irish accent? Shaun / Sean or shorn?
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun, which doesn't work in an Irish accent.
Which bit doesn't work in an Irish accent? Shaun / Sean or shorn?
The 'r ' in shorn would always be pronounced here, so they don't sound the same.
My grud...
Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!
HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THAT?!?
I really need to watch breaking glass - I love Hazel O'Connor. Until I watched that vid (followed by Will you) I'd forgotten about the movie, but what a couple of fantastic songs (though I do remember sneaking a look at one of my big brother's collection of bongo mags that featured her in its 'celebrity nudes' section - an old glamour shoot that had her posing on packing crates in some dusty attic *nostalgic sigh*)
"Thread Zero" is Scojo!
That's even weirder, but does make sense of why I've seen your avatar in there before."Thread Zero" is Scojo!Some of it is... some of it is my other username Bone Machine.
Don't know how that happened - I think I was changing my screen name at the exact moment that Scojo got his final ban. Or something.
Followed-up with a flooring-focused double-tap. Quality!"You'll be on the carpet for this!" - Love it!
Followed-up with a flooring-focused double-tap. Quality!"You'll be on the carpet for this!" - Love it!
And that the Judge in question is named Wilton (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClf86j8Lne7DvlrStupM-NQ).
I have just noticed today that Sonic Youth have a track called Skip Tracer. Does 'Skip Tracer' mean something or did Sonic Youth make it up?
Thanks. The strip name probably has nothing to do with SY then.
I've never seen the UK A Star Is Born rip-off Breaking Glass (https://youtu.be/O-c99rkQlV0?t=136)
I've a vague memory of that song from the first time round. Don't think I've heard it since. I love it. I'm going to listen to it now as I clean my boat.
The most interesting thing my rabbit hole dive turned up was that the US release of the film ends on that scene and the triumphant note it strikes.
The UK version ends with the main character leaving the stage to find the band have broken up, her relationship's over, and her management have conned her into selling out. She suffers a nervous breakdown on the tube and ends the film drooling in a sanitorium!
Two cultures, divided by more than our common language.
The Brass Sun story "Motor Head" has got to be named after the legendary band though, at least.
The Brass Sun story "Motor Head" has got to be named after the legendary band though, at least.
And yet, aside from the band, the only other famous Motor Head seems to be a fella from Frank Zappa's band.
The Brass Sun story "Motor Head" has got to be named after the legendary band though, at least.
And yet, aside from the band, the only other famous Motor Head seems to be a fella from Frank Zappa's band.
Originally Motorhead was a song written by Lemmy while he was in Hawkwind (the subject of which is speed).
FROM: https://www.loudersound.com/features/the-story-behind-the-song-motorhead-by-motorhead
...with a song that Hawkwind dismissed as no more than a B-side, he had the template for a new band. Having teamed up with guitarist Larry Wallis and drummer Lucas Fox, Lemmy originally named his new band Bastard. But, as he recalls: “A friend told him: ‘You probably won’t get a lot of Top Of The Pops action with a name like that.’ So I went with Motörhead.”
For sure, I enjoyed two Lemmy books over the last year or so, his autobiography and the later biography called Lemmy. I think his band is legendary enough that it'd be quite tough to name something that without it being a nod. Plus Lemmy has even been featured in 2000AD.
For sure, I enjoyed two Lemmy books over the last year or so, his autobiography and the later biography called Lemmy. I think his band is legendary enough that it'd be quite tough to name something that without it being a nod. Plus Lemmy has even been featured in 2000AD.
(https://thevintagetoyadvertiser.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/lemmy-2000-ad-2000-ad-scifispecial-1987-post.jpg)
GIs and Dolls was obviously a reference to Guys And Dolls
While reading the last couple of episodes of Grey Area it finally popped into my head that BEM probably stands for Bug-Eyed Monster... Or does it?
The Vestal Virgin 'Mater Clementia' who fought Felix and Aquilla in the fall of Rome...
...and that strange lady on the front cover of the album 'Goats Head Soup' by The Rolling Stones
It's not over my head, but I just want to give a nod to "Noam Chimpsky". I like it!
Man that Nim Chimpsky link is but one of the things I love about this place, cheers.
I wasn't an Eagle reader in the 80s, but I'm enjoying the Where Eagles Dare podcast - I have only just learned from the latest episode where forum veteran The Amstor Computer got his name from.
I wasn't an Eagle reader in the 80s, but I'm enjoying the Where Eagles Dare podcast - I have only just learned from the latest episode where forum veteran The Amstor Computer got his name from.
Yup! Always had a soft spot for the series in the Eagle, and it just stuck :)
I wasn't an Eagle reader in the 80s, but I'm enjoying the Where Eagles Dare podcast - I have only just learned from the latest episode where forum veteran The Amstor Computer got his name from.
Yup! Always had a soft spot for the series in the Eagle, and it just stuck :)
I remember that era of Eagle fondly, if somewhat vaguely. Walk or Die always stuck in my head, and prepared me for the horrors of the first grown-up novel I ever read, Lord of the Flies.
Oh! Fillmore Faro from the Judge Child Quest pronounced his last name as "Pharaoh" and not "Far-oh"!
I see! That explains all the Egyptian stuff...
Torchwood, I've just discovered, is an anagram of Doctor Who.
That said, I've just realised that the Great Beard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field, is a play on the Great Bard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field.
That said, I've just realised that the Great Beard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field, is a play on the Great Bard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field.
Would the Great Beard also be known as 'The Original Author' when his work is adapted for film?
'The Mills'What part? I just read it as a direct reference to the Dark, Satanic ones from Jerusalem.
'The Mills'
The current Absalom chapter. I thought it might be a sly reference to another 'Mills'.
Not prog related, but...
"Open sesame". Open, says-a-me.
Never got that. Not until tonight when it was made obvious by an eleven year old actor in a school performance of 'Ali Baba and the Bongo Bandits'. I feel like an idiot.
SBT
I'm sure I knew of Donald (and Ivana) Trump by the late 80s, and made the connection with Otto Sump around the same time. I definitely first heard of Ivana when she was still married to Donald, so that's pre-1991
Trump Tower was completed in 1983. I doubt anyone in the UK had really heard of just another New York property developer Donald Trump when that story appeared years earlier.
When I lived in NY in 1987, he was definitely becoming A Thing by then, at least in the US. By 1990, he and Trump Tower were well enough known to be majorly lampooned in Gremlins 2
Wagner and Grant have said in a few interviews that they used to devour newspapers to help come up with ideas for Dredd, so it's possible that by the time "Otto Sump's Ugly Clinic" rolled around the ongoing construction of Trump Tower had been mentioned in at least some of the more international-minded newspapers (or possibly mentioned on TV)
Mayor Jim Grubb, however, was based on a man who had a newsagents shop in a village near Dundee. I know this for a factor because John Wagner told me. :D
It wasn't broadcast until 1985, but it'd be interesting to know whether bolshy Trot TB Grover saw it at the pictures:
It wasn't broadcast until 1985, but it'd be interesting to know whether bolshy Trot TB Grover saw it at the pictures:
Especially since, IIRC, it was not originally released in cinemas
Strontium DOG Johnny Alpha(got that one)'s partner WULF Sternhammer
And we slate GFD....
The War Game was given an X-rating by the BBFC (https://bbfc.co.uk/releases/war-game) and released in UK cinemas in November 1965 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059894/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ql_dt_2).
Strontium DOG Johnny Alpha(got that one)'s partner WULF Sternhammer
Strontium DOG Johnny Alpha(got that one)'s partner WULF Sternhammer
Oh FFS.
Shaky Kane. Chaka Khan. Probably unintentional but it just crossed my mind today (and i spent the next hour with an earworm consisting of 'Shaky Kane' sung repeatedly in disco stylee).Seems a bit of a stretch, but I'm too Scotch to get some English puns.
ummm .. no?
ummm .. no?
If this was a reply to me sorry for the delay. I was hoping Frank would swoop in with an appropriate scan.
GBH (Dead) was an exiled Sha'Ka'Kan warrior.
The unfortunate lab assistant in the DNA man is called Beaker after the muppet.
Who exactly was Moore talking to in the Northampton Arts Lab?
A Netflix series, Wormwood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01DL8DTUGM), covers this story from the point of view from Olson's family.
Who exactly was Moore talking to in the Northampton Arts Lab?
A Netflix series, Wormwood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01DL8DTUGM), covers this story from the point of view from Olson's family.
The Olson tale first got into the mainstream via the original source book for these stories Operation Mind Control (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1543022618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=aeebc627-7ecf-4129-8c0c-1d437f271eca&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0440167558&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=9VAJ9A4EHQ6WWRNAWKA3&pf_rd_r=9VAJ9A4EHQ6WWRNAWKA3&pf_rd_p=aeebc627-7ecf-4129-8c0c-1d437f271eca) (1978) by Walter Bowart. Another referred to in the book was the story of Candy Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Jones) who cliamed to be a victim of the same programme – David Fincher was trying to get it made into a film at one point.
How A Deadly Fall Revealed The CIA's Deadliest Secrets ... Wormwood covers this story from the point of view from Olson's family
Not prog related, but...
"Open sesame". Open, says-a-me.
Never got that. Not until tonight when it was made obvious by an eleven year old actor in a school performance of 'Ali Baba and the Bongo Bandits'. I feel like an idiot.
SBT
As pointed out by Jim Craig of the Megaverse (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2000admegaverse/permalink/2238788902948968/?comment_id=2238876796273512) group, Ezquerra's unusual boot holster design found favour with at least one fan:
(https://i.imgur.com/Iox5d2q.png) (https://i.imgur.com/BA27WXY.png)
1976 1983
Art from Bank Raid, Wagner & Ezquerra's first, unpublished Dredd strip. Image taken from the 1981 Judge Dredd Annual, which printed the story with all the spicy dialogue (https://helpers.seattlereviewofbooks.com/webhook-uploads/1470637628514/Bank-Raid-02.gif) about Dredd being an executioner excised.
I only just learned that 'Hocus Pocus' is most likely a 17th C mockery of 'Hoc est corpus meum': the 'magic words' of transubstantiation in the latin Mass. Surely Uncle Pat has used that factoid somewhere...?
In other considerably more embarrassing news, my wife recently and rather sternly informed me that the phrase "hooking up" exclusively refers to the sex act. I was under the impression it had the more general meaning of meeting up, or casually getting together socially. So when I've (frequently) told folks I'll try to hook up with them later, I may have been terrifying them. Especially when I was trying to get out of going drinking with junior colleagues...
...your Honour.
I only just learned that 'Hocus Pocus' is most likely a 17th C mockery of 'Hoc est corpus meum': the 'magic words' of transubstantiation in the latin Mass. Surely Uncle Pat has used that factoid somewhere...?
In other considerably more embarrassing news, my wife recently and rather sternly informed me that the phrase "hooking up" exclusively refers to the sex act. I was under the impression it had the more general meaning of meeting up, or casually getting together socially. So when I've (frequently) told folks I'll try to hook up with them later, I may have been terrifying them. Especially when I was trying to get out of going drinking with junior colleagues...
...your Honour.
The first one: Wow! I honestly never knew that. I had aspirations to be a magician as a kid, and learned lots of good tricks, and really wish I hadn't let (in hindsight, jealous) friends put a stop to it.
The second one: Nahhh, I'm not having that. I've heard it used in purely social contexts loads of times. Either that or some of my best male friends want to shag me.
I'm very glad that Jayzus, as my Dublin/Kildare contemporary, has heard it in the sense I always intended, but as Sheridan's research suggests, and my missus avers, the younger native-netizen crowd may be hearing something totally different. So as I often find myself in the role of managing a lot of youngsters (anyone under 30, obv) I'm going to be trying to avoid this one.
I'm very glad that Jayzus, as my Dublin/Kildare contemporary, has heard it in the sense I always intended, but as Sheridan's research suggests, and my missus avers, the younger native-netizen crowd may be hearing something totally different. So as I often find myself in the role of managing a lot of youngsters (anyone under 30, obv) I'm going to be trying to avoid this one.
Rule of thumb - despite it's probably innocent etymology there's a commonly held belief that it has something to do with legal wife beating.Wow. Your other examples make sense but I've never heard this one.
Phrases I'm uncomfortable using as a teacher but only discovered that by saying them (from nurture) and then backtracking quickly (from nature):
- Rule of thumb - despite it's probably innocent etymology there's a commonly held belief that it has something to do with legal wife beating. I use heuristic, instead, to avoid confusion. Although I have to define it. Without saying anything about thumbs.
.... and i'm still holding the line on 'retard', despite being assured it's now much the same as 'moron' or 'idiot'. Not in my hearing!
Woke, mofo!
Woke, mofo!
As an insomniac who suffers from an Oedipal complex, I find those words offensive ;)
I still correct people on ... electrocuted/electric shock.
I thought the Rule of thumb was about the size of stick that could be used for a beating or servants... no thicker than your thumb.
I thought the Rule of thumb was about the size of stick that could be used for a beating or servants... no thicker than your thumb.
"The 'rule of thumb' has been said to derive from the belief that English law allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick so long as it is was no thicker than his thumb.
In 1782, Judge Sir Francis Buller is reported as having made this legal ruling and in the following year James Gillray published a satirical cartoon attacking Buller and caricaturing him as 'Judge Thumb'. The cartoon shows a man beating a fleeing woman and Buller carrying two bundles of sticks. The caption reads "thumbsticks - for family correction: warranted lawful!""
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/rule-of-thumb.html
the 'rule of thumb' has never been the law in England.
Even if people mistakenly supposed the law to exist, there's no reason to believe that anyone ever called it the 'rule of thumb'. Despite the phrase being in common use since the 17th century and appearing many thousands of times in print, there are no printed records that associate it with domestic violence until the 1970s, when the notion was castigated by feminists.
"many profest Christians are like to foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb, (as we use to speak) and not by Square and Rule."
The oldest attribution refers to measuring something with a thumb instead of a ruler (as has been pointed out up-thread)."many profest Christians are like to foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb, (as we use to speak) and not by Square and Rule."
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.
I never heard that one in Meath, and I was born and bred in the kip. The second one is more familiar, especially as a houseboat dweller (or aquaknacker, as the locals call us).
They were called clegs in the Highlands, as well: it says from Old Norse kleggi on the interweb. Feckin' horseflies.
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.
I never heard that one in Meath, and I was born and bred in the kip. The second one is more familiar, especially as a houseboat dweller (or aquaknacker, as the locals call us).
I heard it used in Nobber - which is a place, nay a world, unto itself! - and also Ratoath. I'm only guessing at the spelling, cos I've a vague feeling it's just horsefly as gaeilge, but alas my Irish education ran more towards rote-learning prepared statements on dífhostaíocht and ríomhairí. It was pronounced "Crowhers".
I heard it used in Nobber - which is a place, nay a world, unto itself!
It gets better than that! IIRC 'Nobber' is an anglicisation of 'an obair' = 'the work', probably referring to the large Anglo-Norman motte-and-bailey earthwork at the edge of the village.
Now it so happens that the Dublinese for girlfriend is 'Mot' (from 'maith an cailín' = 'good girl'). So as a callow lad of 18 working away from home for the first time in that eponymous village, references to 'Nobber motte' regularly had me in stitches.
Mind the oranges, Marlon being a deeper reference than I thought...
(https://s.studiobinder.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/How-to-Use-Color-in-Film-Movie-Color-Palettes-Associative-Colors-The-Godfather.jpg)
Did you not have lucky bags (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22lucky+bag%22+sweets&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjo8si7osXlAhVHdBoKHcAZDSwQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=%22lucky+bag%22+sweets&gs_l=img.3..0.31218.32925..34627...0.0..0.182.983.0j6......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i30j0i8i30j0i24.BssZGzOE4i0&ei=di66XejfCMfoacCztOAC&bih=598&biw=1216&client=firefox-b-d) as a kid? They were basically proto-lootboxes with mainly sweets, but also stuff like crayons, stickers or small toys.
Even in 1988, it was a sort of Baby Boomer reference, but, looking at those reactions, it seems the concept might have lived longer in the imagination the further north you popped into existence.
Did you not have lucky bags (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22lucky+bag%22+sweets&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjo8si7osXlAhVHdBoKHcAZDSwQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=%22lucky+bag%22+sweets&gs_l=img.3..0.31218.32925..34627...0.0..0.182.983.0j6......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i30j0i8i30j0i24.BssZGzOE4i0&ei=di66XejfCMfoacCztOAC&bih=598&biw=1216&client=firefox-b-d) as a kid? They were basically proto-lootboxes with mainly sweets, but also stuff like crayons, stickers or small toys.
You've perfectly described lucky dips (which came in bags but were called lucky dips where I came from) :P
Lucky bags a part of my '70s Dublin childhood too: campsite shops and seaside towns appeared to do a particularly strong line in them. The single comic generally included were weird US things like Tweetie Pie & Sylvester or Scrooge McDuck, which I never saw anywhere else, and whose sole value were the ads for 1000 Army Men, Sea Monkeys and the ubiquitous X-Ray Specs.
I'm pretty sure that "Lucky" earned his GI nickname due to a compulsive gambling habit.
That blue skinned cardsharp was spotted with a deck once or twice in the Progs.
Yeah, but Top was also destined to become a hat and Eightball's aim would come in handy in his new career as a gun.
Friday, Top, Eightball ... and LUCKY.
LUCKY ... because he's a BAG! Slaps forehead and kicks self for 30 years spent knowing there was something there but never quite making the (obvious) connection
The single comic generally included were weird US things like Tweetie Pie & Sylvester or Scrooge McDuck, which I never saw anywhere else, and whose sole value were the ads for 1000 Army Men, Sea Monkeys and the ubiquitous X-Ray Specs. Many a rainy day in a 10ft caravan in Carraroe or Kilmuckridge was spent in contemplation of the boundless possibilities implied.
amirite????
That's definitely the actual reason. That, and (IIRC) he's Trooper 13(Slaps forehead)
The Mad Genius Behind Sea Monkeys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0xXKCOSZuQ)
it's not actually Leonardo DiCaprio posting here
... the writer who came up with his name had no idea he was going to become a bag in later stories ...
it's not actually Leonardo DiCaprio posting here
I've never vaped. Or listened to MGMT on noise-cancelling headphones. Not during sex (https://jezebel.com/leonardo-dicaprios-alleged-sex-technique-takes-off-1835585158), anyway.
he's Trooper 13 (Top is 1, Eightball is 8, Friday is 19 (?)).
he's Trooper 13 (Top is 1, Eightball is 8, Friday is 19 (?)).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRJFvtvTGEk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRJFvtvTGEk)
Friday, Top, Eightball ... and LUCKY.
LUCKY ... because he's a BAG! Slaps fore