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If you are lucky enough to be a UK resident, please take a moment to sign this petition on Behalf of the Gurkhas, some of the bravest troops to fight for the UK, and a force that has been badly let down by the government here on numerous occasions.

We are lucky have friends like these... so let's treat them as friends.

Many of these Veterans are WW2 medal winers, and all served with distinction.

I know there's a few ex servicemen here, so I hope this is ok to post.

Thank you Everyone!

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Gurkha-soldiers/ (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Gurkha-soldiers/)

For more info..

http://www.vchero.co.uk/pb/wp_4351bf75/wp_4351bf75.html (http://www.vchero.co.uk/pb/wp_4351bf75/wp_4351bf75.html)

Cheers for the link, Rufus.

I don't normally get agitated by such things, but their treatment by this government is shameful and embarrasses me as a citizen.

Dunk!

well done rufus, I've signed

Well found Rufus, I can't believe the way our government (red & blue) ignores these very courageous and extremely friendly men (and their families). It really pisses me off the way they have been treated, but I better stop now or I'll explode half way down the page
 

It's a bloody disgrace.

'You risked your life for us eh? Some of you dies for us, eh? Great! Now fuck of back to your own country!'

Fucking shameful.

Nice one Rufus, this governments behavior is a disgrace, how the hell they make these decisions is beyond me. And that isn't even mentioning Iraqi translators and the living conditions of every British Serviceman and woman. Except I just did.

I'd like to echo all previous sentiments expressed on this page.

I'm lucky enough not to be a UK citizen (and thus must stay clear of the petition), but holy crap, did these bastards never read Victor - it was wall-to-wall Gurkha heroics in that thing.   I'd be bloody ashamed to live in a state that treats its veterans like this.  What would Darkie say?

It is shameful.  Horrendously so.

Bah!  I'm not getting the confirmation email.

Swizz...

Keep trying Matt.. well worth it!

Thank you everyone who's signed..

It beggars belief we'd treat anyone like that, least of all these men.

As someone who's Grandfather fought in Burma during the War, I've always had an interest in the Chindits and Gurkhas.

I'd also suggest writing your MP.. it's what they're there for... let's make those drokkers work for their money.

Extra thrill power rations for all!

Well done, Rufus.  I will be signing the petition.  I served alongside these guys, they are very special people.  Our Government is a disgrace for treating them this way.

This is bullshit!  I've tried multiple times from three different browsers and the email never arrives!

BRING ME THE HEAD OF GORDON BROWN!

 

Im with Tord on this one, absolute disgrace, Id sign If I could. Go Rufus.

David

Sorry for the double post , but something just occured to me. I remember playing as a child and meeting a man who was the uncle of our next door neighbour,( they live about half a mile away, I live inthe country). John Kenny was his name and he looked like James Joyce, he fought in WW2 and had been captured and tortured and pow by the Japaneese. Thats as much as I remember been told about him.

That recollection has really nothing to do with anything, but I remember everyone treated him with respect that he was due. Im also pretty sure that all ROI veterns of the 'emergency' as it was called here who fought on the side of the British recieves a Pension from HRMG. There is no reason that these Brave Gurkhas shouldnt get the same.

Cheers

David

Good call Rufus - 30,000 + signatures on the list already including mine. Hard to imagine a greater injustice. It actually beggars belief that they even have to apply for citizenship - you'd think it would be automatic as soon as they agree to get shot at on her maj's behalf.

Excellent news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7644441.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7644441.stm)

Quote from: "swimini tulkas"Excellent news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7644441.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7644441.stm)

And to think that not five minutes ago, I signed. Well done to all the campaigners for shaming the British Government into doing the right "thing" and granting the Ghurkas their British rights AND freedoms!!!

Congrats to all involved!!!!

Thank you everyone...

A great result for some very very deserving people!

Ruf

Great news indeed, but this was the High court and not the Govt that done this, long may the courts and the Govt remain seperate!

Absolutely, But it's important we do petition the Government, as it shows we are not all asleep.

It is the least we can do, especially after brave people like these Gurkhas have fought for OUR freedom.

Rufus

Now, We've got to keep the pressure on the Govt., so they act upon the judgement swiftly.

I wish I could sign. My buddy married a Nepali girl when he was over there in the Peace Corps, and her brother is a Ghurka.

Here's the campaign that Joanna Lumley is backing, so get tapping those keyboards and lets hope that this arse of a government will see how much the Brits love the Gurkha's and their families for what they bring to our country.
http://www.gurkhajustice.org.uk/ (http://www.gurkhajustice.org.uk/)

Signed.

Hooray!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090430/tuk ... a1618.html (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090430/tuk-gurkhas-celebrate-commons-victory-dba1618.html)

Oh balls- didn't read it properly...

QuoteCampaigners argued this would allow only around 100 veterans out of a total 36,000, most of them officers, to settle.

That's a bit rubbish really, isn't it?

Oh Jesus... I read it right the first time.  Hooray it is.

 

Hooray indeed!

They also know Joanna Lumley. Lucky sods!

- Trout

Proper order.

Huzzah!
Ms Lumley: How great to hear someone speaking with a bit of passion on the news for a change,

What a Dame and she should be for this! How about a e-petition to No 10 to make her a Dame?

This is great news.  Keep going you great warriors, and Ms Lumley, until Brown surrenders completely.

Updated Hurrah!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/video_and_au ... 459669.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/video_and_audio/news_channel_live/7459669.stm)

Joanna Lumley could single handedly win an election right now. And Esther Rantzen's standing for parliament too! The Daily Mail is campaigning for foreigners to be allowed to live here, and the Telegraph has the biggest scoop of the decade - these are surely odd times we live in!

Sir Nicholas Winterton's well-meaning but nonsensical quote courtesy of Private Eye:
"We should allow those who have sacrificed their lives for this country to come and live in this country."
Zombie veterans anyone?

Quote from: "dandontdare"Joanna Lumley could single handedly win an election right now.

QuoteTRUE

However there's not one person in that house ( with the exception of JUDGE JACK STRAW) that i would rather have in charge currenty than BROWN.

In my opinion the queen wants to disolve parliment and START AGAIN, Party politics ruin the SYSTEM, MP's are supposed to represent their constituents not their PARTY or themselves.

[Keeping my opinion to myself for once]

 I found it amusing that Jacqui Smith commented that she is "proud" to let Ghurkas retire in this country as of today.

 I suppose thats one way of admitting defeat .

Quote from: "TheEdge"However there's not one person in that house ( with the exception of JUDGE JACK STRAW) that i would rather have in charge currenty than BROWN.

I pretty much agree. I'm increasingly cynical and believe that democracy is at best about choosing the lesser evil, and I don't have any particular reason to dislike Brown. It's looking like the Tories are going to win the next one, and frankly that scares the living shit out of me.

QuoteIn my opinion the queen wants to disolve parliment and START AGAIN, Party politics ruin the SYSTEM, MP's are supposed to represent their constituents not their PARTY or themselves.

I'd actually rather they didn't represent any person, group of ideology in particular, but look at facts and evidence, listen to arguments, and try to do the right thing, even though the right thing is not necessarily the popular or appealing thing. (What the right thing is or isn't is another thread, of course, though off the cuff I'd suggest it's about minimising suffering and balancing freedom and selfishness against responsibilities and society.)

Regards

Robin

I dont have any confidence in any of them especially since they all seem to be too stupid to fill in expenses forms correctly without making mistakes plus the fact that there doesnt seem to be anyone in the Civil Service who is able to help them fill in the forms correctly and check them for mistakes.

They need to be reminded that they work for us and that they are our employees and not the other way around.

A waste of Oxygen.

Received this:

You signed a petition asking the Prime Minister to "give all Ex Gurkha
soldiers and their families who have served our country British citizenship
on leaving the service."

The Prime Minister's Office has responded to that petition and you can view
it here:

//http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19389


Prime Minister's Office

Petition information -//http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Gurkha-soldiers/


Now for that Lumley petition for a Damehood

I used to work with an ex-soldier many yonks ago. He had two favourite stories about the Gurkas (which may or may not be true as the guy was so full of shite he was in danger of growing another arse hole). I'll relate them here 'cos I think they're kinda' cool.

The first was set in WWII. A detachment of Gurkas was ordered to jump out of an aircraft at 1500 feet and mount a surprise attack on an enemy position. The commanding officer was stunned when the Gurkas refused to do this as they were famous for obeying orders to the letter. On repeating the order, the Gurkas agreed to go ahead with the operation, but only if they could jump out of the aircraft at 500ft. "Don't be soft," the c.o. said, "at that height your parachutes won't have time to open."
"Oh," they said, "we get parachutes?"


The second story was from the Falklands during the tail end of the (not) war. A convoy of trucks and what have you was held up for two hours because a Gurka was stood in the middle of a crossroads and refused to move. In the end, they had to chopper in his own c.o. who ordered him to move aside and stand at the side of the road. Apparently, he'd been ordered to "Stand here until the second unit comes and then tell them which way we went."

Well done Joanna. (I still would...)

Hi Shark, I would bet a pound to a penny that ex-soldier you worked with was, indeed, talking out of his backside.  Tales like those you related are pure fiction and, in fact, are an insult to the Gurkhas.

They are brave men, not stupid men and, as someone who has served with them, I can testify to the fact that they are very special people and very intelligent.

Well done, Ms Lumley, and well done the Gurkhas.

Sorry.

I meant no disrespect to the Gurkas. Every single one of them is a far braver man than I'll ever be.

Ghurkas arent Paras as far as i know.

What this proves apart from the desired result concerning Ghurkas is that Govt will give in to public pressure if there is enough of  it.

If everyone is complacent towards Govt and dont make their voices heard about whatever issue needs to be heard then Govt will take the piss.

Simple human psychology.

Does anyone else suspect that this expenses thing is all a smokescreen for something else? First they present us with a problem (corrupt parliament) then they come along with an answer (you need to be ruled by Europe).

We should all be asking how the BoE works. Is it a private bank like the US Federal Reserve or is it a public bank? If it's a private bank, who's getting all the profits? If it's a public bank, why do we have to borrow money from it (at interest) and where do the profits go? If the Government got back control of the BoE and could print its own money to pay for schools, roads, bin men, duck islands and moat cleaning then it wouldn't need to be paid back at all. So long as it doesn't pump more money into the economy than the economy itself is capable of making on its own our taxes would be far more sensible and we'd all be much better off. Instead, people like the Rothschilds (who may be shareholders in the Fed and the BoE) have personal fortunes of something like 200 trillion dollars (2 0 0  t r i l l i o n) while the majority of people on our planet live in abject poverty with thousands of children dying of things like the shits every day of every week of every month of every year. Is it time to get mad yet?

I will probably be assassinated now I've pointed that out.

Quote from: "peterwolf"Ghurkas arent Paras as far as i know.

Some Gurkhas may have wings/daggers on their uniform from doing the Para & Commando courses. So you are correct saying that no Gurkhas are actually 'in' the Paras but they can qualify to wear the wings, just like anyone in the forces who wants to do the course.
On my Commando course we had a Captain and a Sergeant from the Spanish special forces (both passed, but we didn't see the sergeant do his regain test on the final day (he needed to pass this for the beret) as he failed every attempt up until then so I don't believe he really passed).
We also had four Phillipino special forces officers who got binned after they couldn't carry the bergans, their small stature buggered them up.

Quote from: "the_legendary_shark"Does anyone else suspect that this expenses thing is all a smokescreen for something else? First they present us with a problem (corrupt parliament) then they come along with an answer (you need to be ruled by Europe).

We should all be asking how the BoE works. Is it a private bank like the US Federal Reserve or is it a public bank? If it's a private bank, who's getting all the profits? If it's a public bank, why do we have to borrow money from it (at interest) and where do the profits go? If the Government got back control of the BoE and could print its own money to pay for schools, roads, bin men, duck islands and moat cleaning then it wouldn't need to be paid back at all. So long as it doesn't pump more money into the economy than the economy itself is capable of making on its own our taxes would be far more sensible and we'd all be much better off. Instead, people like the Rothschilds (who may be shareholders in the Fed and the BoE) have personal fortunes of something like 200 trillion dollars (2 0 0  t r i l l i o n) while the majority of people on our planet live in abject poverty with thousands of children dying of things like the shits every day of every week of every month of every year. Is it time to get mad yet?

I will probably be assassinated now I've pointed that out.

Being ruled by Europe isnt the right solution because the EU is an infinately bigger financial black hole than UK Govt will ever be.They havent produced any accounts in 14 years.

You are definately barking up the right tree.

You are absolutely correct about the FED.

The BOE is fronted by but not owned by the Govt or the State or by default the taxpayer.Its privately owned.

Yes the BOE could have printed all that cash out of nothing and the Govt if it was honest would not have charged it to the taxpayer but its too dishonest to admit that the cash didnt come out of the existing economy but it was created out of nothing and injected into the economy but the Govt is the middleman who launders the cash on behalf of the BOE [although it was clean [straight of the printing press] ] and charges it to us in the form of taxes.


The BOE made profits of 1 billion in the year prior to Feb 28th this year and will probably do so again since it now has a licence to print cash with nothing backing it just like the FED so they are effectively making cash out of nothing and charging interest on it when it loans it to the govt just like the FED.

However the BOE unlike the Fed is required by law to hand back a significant amount [25 percent] of that 1 billion twice a year .25 percent a year if you take into account the ending of the tax year in April.I dont know if that 25 percent is used to repay the tax bill.Probably not.It probably gets wasted.That still leaves an excess of 750 billion.The BOE is very tightly controlled in comparison to the FED which is a criminal organisation that defrauds the US taxpayer and has done since it was given a licence to print money in 1916 IIRC.

The BOE doesnt operate using the gold standard as this country doesnt have any gold as it was all sold by Brown and the stupid Dickhead even announced he was selling it which resulted in prices falling before it was sold.

The FED is a criminal organisation owned and runned by criminals.Bankster Mafioso with an insatiable appetite for cash.

The US actually pays a very large financial dividend back to the UK every year and has done every single year since it was founded.

The City Of London is the epicentre of world banking .

It is time to get mad in a controlled manner of course and its time for everyone to face reality.

  Is the politicians expenses issue a Smokescreen ?Yes partly.Its more of a diversion.Its small potatoes really when you consider the amounts of cash in question but i guess its about principles and thats the important thing.I dont doubt that the case is genuine and is the result of leaks as the House of Commons did try a little while ago to pass legislation to allow themselves not to disclose their own expenses but failed.

There will be quite  few resignations that will supposedly satisfy the public and then business as usual.

Thats the plan anyway.

Exactly. I heard an accountant going on about it on Sky Channel 200 (Controvertial.tv) the other day. He explained it thusly:

If the BoE is a private bank: The Prime Minister needs cash so he goes to the BoE and gives them a bond (a kind of government backed IOU). The Bank prints the money - creating it out of nothing - and lends it to the Government. The Government charges us tax to pay back this money that never existed in the first place plus interest.

If the BoE was owned by the country: The Prime Minister needs cash and so he goes to the BoE. The BoE prints the money out of nothing and gives it to the Government. There's no need to pay it back at all.

I'm not sure if it really is as simple as that, but if it is we need to get the word out.

Oh, and if the Powers That Be are reading this, assassinate Peterwolf instead of me as he knows far more about it than I do and is therefore more dangerous to the status quo...

The FED owned by private bankers prints the cash [as much as they like] then loans it the Govt who then charge the US taxpayer for the loan itself plus interest.

There are 13 separate banking families.

No one knows how much cash has been printed by the FED in recent years except themselves.

A trillion USD of worthless bits of paper becomes a Trillion only when they have lent it to the govt or banks.

A trillion then becomes 1.5 trillion or more if it is paid back by taxpayers because every dollar printed has interest charged on it from day one.

The creation of cash = The creation of debt.

Out of nothing.

How can the FED possibly be audited when it doesnt have to balance the cash with anything real other than the interest it collects on its loans ?

Its not just that though .When its not doing that it is controlling and manipulating the flow of cash and interest rates just like the BOE started doing 10 - 11 yrs ago.

Cheap easy borrowing and very low interest rates for cash out of nothing.

The rest is history.

Its just a criminal racket plain and simple.

There hasnt been *any* real change to the banking system .No real or any investigations and no end to Fractional Reserve banking which is the core of the problem.

Govt/The FED/The BOE bailed them out which means that the owners of the FED are now the majority shareholders of those institutions so it is asset seizing on a mass scale.Except they printed the cash to bail out those institutions so it cost them virtually nothing and then they charge it all to us so we pay the loans back plus interest so the owners of the FED get everything for themselves for nothing because we pay for it.WE pay them to make money out of us.

We are now shareholders in those banks except we wont make any cash out of them from the shares.

Before the Wall ST Crash there were over 300 independently owned private banks in New York.

After it ended there were hardly any as they were seized by the Govt on behalf of the FED.

The owners of the FED [international bankers] dont lend the cash to the banks so they can just pay back the loans.They banks wont get the cash without the bankers being given a controlling share of the bank that has been bailed out.



They win and we lose.

Also, I'm given to understand that there's no actual law in the United States requiring anyone to pay tax on earnings. According to the 16th Amendment (?), the only tax the US Government is legally allowed to levy is corporate income tax meaning that the American people have been robbed since about 1913.

Perhaps this needs a seperate thread, those poor old Gurkhas have now been sidelined again...

Something like that but the US Govt has found ways to circumvent the 16th amendment [they cant remove it] with later legislation.No one has ever made a case of it and won so far because of it.The US Govt cant lawfully collect taxes but it can legally collect taxes.

However law and legislation are two different things.I explained this in GetFact.Thats the only way to assert the 16th amendment and not pay taxes.US and UK citzens are obliged to pay tax under corporate law as you have entered into a contract with UK/US Plc to do so and to not do so is a breach of contract which results in penalties.Your legal fictional title I:E MR FRED SMITH... whatever along with your National Insurance number is what is obliged to pay taxes.

Wesley Snipes failed in court to avoid paying taxes because his lawyers didnt understand the system.

saw the news on this.
was very pleased.

i am no racist, or in anyway against any one, but given the rather lax at times immagration laws in the uk. i am pleased to see those that deserved their place and EARNED IT in the way these men have are acknowledged.
a big win and a good day for the country.
certainly was a HORAY

Quote from: "peterwolf"Wesley Snipes failed in court to avoid paying taxes because his lawyers didnt understand the system.

But of course! If only the millionaire Hollywood star had taken a moment to THINK, he could have hired a British builder to explain it to the judge rather than all those know-nothing lawyers. Rookie mistake in big anti-government lawsuits, that!

Quote from: "dandontdare"

Quote from: "peterwolf"Wesley Snipes failed in court to avoid paying taxes because his lawyers didnt understand the system.

But of course! If only the millionaire Hollywood star had taken a moment to THINK, he could have hired a British builder to explain it to the judge rather than all those know-nothing lawyers. Rookie mistake in big anti-government lawsuits, that!

What is your problem ?

I was just correctly answering a query .

By the way i am Naturalised British just so you know.I thought i would point that out instead of you telling everyone what i am.I like the way you phrased your comment which kind of implies that a "Builder" shouldnt know anything about law .

Quote from: "peterwolf"...a "Builder" shouldn't know anything about law .

Hear, hear. If there's one thing that recent events in banking and politics have highlighted it's that a little more "builder's wisdom" would be a good thing. We've tried having only highly qualified people in these high powered jobs and it's really worked out well, hasn't it? I also find the implication that people who haven't been to Oxford or Cambridge are simply incapable of learning and understanding complex issues to be condescending and insulting.

Take me, for instance. I'm currently sans employment and have only a high school education, but that doesn't stop me from looking into things some people think are over my head or aren't my concern. Sure, I may not understand everything that concerns me, but do you think politicians and bankers are really any different? If more people had said "I don't understand this sub-prime thing" in the first place, admitted that the Treaty of Lisbon is virtually unreadable or pointed out that claiming for a duck island out of public money may not be the most honourable thing to do then Britain today would not be looking quite so bleak.

Three cheers for the builders, I say. Raise a glass to the people; the ordinary, dumb-as-fuck Joe Publics who look up from their copies of the Sun and 2000AD from time to time to ask what's going on and don't take the word of some smarmball in a tailored suit as gospel. You don't have to understand it all, nobody possibly could, but we can all try to understand a part of it. So yes, three cheers for the builders, the binmen and the beggars who dare to ask awkward questions and voice unpopular or inconvenient views.

Three cheers for the Peterwolfs (Peterwolves?) of this world. We would all do well to take a leaf from their books.




*puts soap box away and wanders off*

Quote from: "peterwolf"

Quote from: "dandontdare"

Quote from: "peterwolf"Wesley Snipes failed in court to avoid paying taxes because his lawyers didnt understand the system.

But of course! If only the millionaire Hollywood star had taken a moment to THINK, he could have hired a British builder to explain it to the judge rather than all those know-nothing lawyers. Rookie mistake in big anti-government lawsuits, that!

What is your problem ?

I was just correctly answering a query .

By the way i am Naturalised British just so you know.I thought i would point that out instead of you telling everyone what i am.I like the way you phrased your comment which kind of implies that a "Builder" shouldnt know anything about law .

:D

No worries and good news about your friend  

I didnt know a thing about the law or economics or politics until i started to spend time looking into it all and its time well spent .

No one ever has ever said that any of these matters are not my concern or anything like that but if they did they wouldnt ever say it again.

I dont get paid enough [anything] for this crap.