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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: Today at 03:10:46 PM »
Revere just arrived. I don’t have my EEs to hand, but it looks pretty good. Repro on The Dead is solid. Revere has some moire issues, but not everywhere and I supposed that’s the be expected with material from this era. Looks like the back is mostly a Simon Harrison interview.

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Meltdown Man is the best of that kind of strip, and has some fab art. But Tribal Memories was something really special. So that wins it for me.

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So it: I’m giving this to Metalzoic. I love a lot of the art in Sláine, and Sky Chariots is a joy. But when re-reading the strip in the UC, even Horned God doesn’t do much for me now. But Metalzoic still gives me a whack in the right place. It’s one of those superb one-shots that just works. And at least with this vote, Sláine won’t get every vote in this round.

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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: Today at 08:24:43 AM »
Given that Rebellion put out its own Luke Kirby book, I imagine that’s safe territory and the repro exists. That said, Zenith was also conspicuously absent from this collection, so who knows what the current state is with those strips?

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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 03 July, 2022, 01:55:17 PM »
I think it’s been a great success but the second extension is objectively worse than the first. The question now is what’s left. Diminishing returns? And I mean that in every sense. Subscribers will drift. What’s left in the pot is worse quality fare, for the most part. And those comics will require more effort to get into print.

I’m hard pressed to think of anything beyond Armoured Gideon I’d have bought in another extension, aside from a couple of series being ‘completed’ (most notably Kingdom).

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Prog / Re: Prog 2288: Law versus Claw
« on: 02 July, 2022, 10:29:38 AM »
I wonder what this would be like if it were five-page stories instead?
It is curious that 2000 AD has decided to run longer strips in these issues. That is also at odds with what you see in, say, The Phoenix, where the adventure strips are typically five or so pages and surrounded by a lot of much shorter stuff (four-pager Jamie Smart; single-page Squid Bits) to shake up the pace. Again, I can only assume Regened is targeting the upper portion of that age bracket (with Monster Fun at the lower end), but it goes mean some of these stories feel stretched out rather than punchy.

As for the new talent line, that seems to vary issue to issue. The one thing that is interesting is the most consistent strip being Pandora – and Roger Langridge of course has form in all-ages (notably with his hugely under-rated and pitch-perfect Muppets run).

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This is a better iteration of the Dark Judges than most, but it still feels like it’s going through the motions too much, and seeking convoluted reasons why these characters should still exist rather than be banished forever. Koburn, on the other hand, was a lot of fun, and so it wins it for me.

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Wow. A couple of draws have surprised me, but to see the (IMO) terrible Mean Team hold up against Firekind (which, I'll concede, is not Smith's best work and shines largely due to great Marshall art and because it ran in the company of some terrible strips in the prog at the time) is genuinely baffling…
Likewise. The strip that killed the Extreme Edition and that rocked up in the UC mostly to groans is set to possibly boot a quality one-shot out of the running. I think on reflection, I liked Survivor more than the main run.

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Prog / Re: Prog 2288: Law versus Claw
« on: 30 June, 2022, 12:00:55 PM »
Please can we draw a line under the JKR stuff on this thread? If not, I’ll be slicing it in half and sending it to OT.

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General / Re: Sideshow Vote II: Does it tally up?
« on: 28 June, 2022, 11:45:38 AM »
So, IMO, it seems the perfect formula is Between 6 and 8 episodes
For those stories, sure. But I don’t see how every series of Zenith would have been better had it been cut in half or less. Necropolis was 26 episodes. Song of the Surfer was 12. Even most Kingdom series were 11 or 12.

Again, what works works. Appropriateness is the key.

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If ABC Warriors stopped with Black Hole, it would win. But I found re-reading the entire run such a slog. Half the time, it’s like watching a looping cartoon backdrop. There’s so much preaching in the later runs. And then you have bizarre moments like Morrigun being casually killed off and yet the others being able to reform themselves from basically nothing whenever they fancy.

Ro-Busters isn’t that strong either, but has some real heart so wins it for me.

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I never saw the appeal in Mean Team, which felt like a B-list future sports strip that just went on forever. Firekind wasn’t still quite a tier-one thill when I re-read it in the UC, but it’s still a quality one-shot. For me, it’s easily the winner here.

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Prog / Re: Prog 2288: Law versus Claw
« on: 27 June, 2022, 12:27:04 PM »
Bit of a mixed bag for me. Dredd still feels like an odd character for a children’s comic, given that he has all the charm of Walter the Softie, and the Judges – even in the neutered form here – are fun-loving killjoys. But beyond the basic premise, which still doesn’t really work, the strip itself is pretty good, even if it does go a bit overboard explaining everything along the way in countless caption boxes.

Lowborn High would have been better off with a single-page ‘previously’ to bring people up to speed. The story itself was… I dunno. It’s like a B-list Harry Potter with an unlikeable lead we’re supposed to root for while his ‘friends’ knock him into shape? Again, the basic underlying premise feels flawed and at-odds with other children’s fare – but in a manner that’s almost anti-subversive.

The Future Shock was quite nice, with some great artwork and fun ideas. Then Scooter & Jinx rocked up. I like the art, but it could also have done with a ‘previously’. Broadly, I liked this episode, although 1) there’s still a weird underlying whiff of sexism in this strip, and 2) the relationship between the leads is entirely unearned. Not bad though.

And then we get Pandora Perfect, which was genuinely funny, had great pace, and honestly showed up how relatively lacking everything else in the issue was.

As a 2000 AD subscriber, I’m OK with this comic. There was as much ‘good’ stuff in here as in some recent issues (albeit not the better ones) and Pandora remains ace. As a parent, I can see why my almost 8yo struggled with it though. But also, I can see why she wasn’t that interested, because the comic just doesn’t compare with The Phoenix. I suspect Regened is aiming to be a stepping stone from that comic (although The Phoenix states its target is 7–14, so make of that what you will), but it could take some lessons from it, in terms of pace (add a few one- or two-pagers), tone and storytelling.

The last of those might come with experience. After all, the people behind The Phoenix have years of experience in talking to this specific audience, whereas Rebellion’s output has primarily been targeted at adults. When The Phoenix can compress War and Peace into a handful of pages and my kid can understand it, that shows what it’s capable of. Regened needs to have a similar level of clarity, to go with some of the things it already does quite well, such as variety and energy.

Pandora Perfect >>>>>>>>> Future Shock > Scooter > Dredd > Lowborn

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General / Re: Prog 2 Price
« on: 27 June, 2022, 08:46:45 AM »
“Despite no current content” is a curious turn of phrase. As for the pricing, the most recent eBay sale for a high-quality copy was £300. One with stickers went for £473. Anyone buying a copy for over nine grand is clearly not the smartest cookie in the jar.

(Even £300 seems a lot to me. I recall buying my Prog 2 for something like 70 quid, although that was admittedly a few years back now.)

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