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General / Re: Sideshow Vote II: Does it tally up?
« on: 28 June, 2022, 11:45:38 AM »
So, IMO, it seems the perfect formula is Between 6 and 8 episodes
For those stories, sure. But I don’t see how every series of Zenith would have been better had it been cut in half or less. Necropolis was 26 episodes. Song of the Surfer was 12. Even most Kingdom series were 11 or 12.

Again, what works works. Appropriateness is the key.

If ABC Warriors stopped with Black Hole, it would win. But I found re-reading the entire run such a slog. Half the time, it’s like watching a looping cartoon backdrop. There’s so much preaching in the later runs. And then you have bizarre moments like Morrigun being casually killed off and yet the others being able to reform themselves from basically nothing whenever they fancy.

Ro-Busters isn’t that strong either, but has some real heart so wins it for me.

I never saw the appeal in Mean Team, which felt like a B-list future sports strip that just went on forever. Firekind wasn’t still quite a tier-one thill when I re-read it in the UC, but it’s still a quality one-shot. For me, it’s easily the winner here.

Prog / Re: Prog 2288: Law versus Claw
« on: 27 June, 2022, 12:27:04 PM »
Bit of a mixed bag for me. Dredd still feels like an odd character for a children’s comic, given that he has all the charm of Walter the Softie, and the Judges – even in the neutered form here – are fun-loving killjoys. But beyond the basic premise, which still doesn’t really work, the strip itself is pretty good, even if it does go a bit overboard explaining everything along the way in countless caption boxes.

Lowborn High would have been better off with a single-page ‘previously’ to bring people up to speed. The story itself was… I dunno. It’s like a B-list Harry Potter with an unlikeable lead we’re supposed to root for while his ‘friends’ knock him into shape? Again, the basic underlying premise feels flawed and at-odds with other children’s fare – but in a manner that’s almost anti-subversive.

The Future Shock was quite nice, with some great artwork and fun ideas. Then Scooter & Jinx rocked up. I like the art, but it could also have done with a ‘previously’. Broadly, I liked this episode, although 1) there’s still a weird underlying whiff of sexism in this strip, and 2) the relationship between the leads is entirely unearned. Not bad though.

And then we get Pandora Perfect, which was genuinely funny, had great pace, and honestly showed up how relatively lacking everything else in the issue was.

As a 2000 AD subscriber, I’m OK with this comic. There was as much ‘good’ stuff in here as in some recent issues (albeit not the better ones) and Pandora remains ace. As a parent, I can see why my almost 8yo struggled with it though. But also, I can see why she wasn’t that interested, because the comic just doesn’t compare with The Phoenix. I suspect Regened is aiming to be a stepping stone from that comic (although The Phoenix states its target is 7–14, so make of that what you will), but it could take some lessons from it, in terms of pace (add a few one- or two-pagers), tone and storytelling.

The last of those might come with experience. After all, the people behind The Phoenix have years of experience in talking to this specific audience, whereas Rebellion’s output has primarily been targeted at adults. When The Phoenix can compress War and Peace into a handful of pages and my kid can understand it, that shows what it’s capable of. Regened needs to have a similar level of clarity, to go with some of the things it already does quite well, such as variety and energy.

Pandora Perfect >>>>>>>>> Future Shock > Scooter > Dredd > Lowborn

General / Re: Prog 2 Price
« on: 27 June, 2022, 08:46:45 AM »
“Despite no current content” is a curious turn of phrase. As for the pricing, the most recent eBay sale for a high-quality copy was £300. One with stickers went for £473. Anyone buying a copy for over nine grand is clearly not the smartest cookie in the jar.

(Even £300 seems a lot to me. I recall buying my Prog 2 for something like 70 quid, although that was admittedly a few years back now.)

Prog / Re: Prog 2288: Law versus Claw
« on: 27 June, 2022, 08:33:45 AM »
I’ve no direct insight into Rebellion’s reasoning, but I imagine the Dredd covers are for recognition. That and the old logo will snare parents of a certain age, in a manner some random bunch of schoolkids or Pandora would not.

Prog / Re: Prog 2287: Grinders Keepers!
« on: 27 June, 2022, 08:31:17 AM »
Yeah—TBF, Mini-IP read and enjoyed Tammy/Jinty as well and was fine with those specials. The same with Cor/Buster. But she said most of 2288 was a problem and that the adventure strips in Monster Fun are “confusing”. I only read issue one but would say she has a point. Again, no problems even with the most advanced Phoenix strips.

General / Re: Sideshow Vote II: Does it tally up?
« on: 27 June, 2022, 08:27:41 AM »
Same as Colin. I’d say the story should be as long as it needs, without too much fat but also without compression, which can rob a strip of breathing space and pace.

Plenty of imagination in Full Tilt Boogie but something like Dreadnoughts is a story I always wanted to see, and it didn’t disappoint. So that wins it for me.

Prog / Re: Prog 2287: Grinders Keepers!
« on: 26 June, 2022, 09:38:24 PM »
Leigh: There are occasionally storytelling issues for me in the standard Prog/Meg. It used to be a lot worse during the Meg’s nadir in particular. It felt like you needed to be inside the writer’s head, and have them explain what’s going on. Perhaps these comics just aren’t for my girl, but I find it odd she struggles very specifically with Rebellion output when she reads a ton of other stuff with no problems whatsoever. :/

Prog / Re: Prog 2287: Grinders Keepers!
« on: 26 June, 2022, 11:23:14 AM »
Mini-IP read the rest of the new Regened this morning. Her verdict: “I just couldn’t follow most of the stories.” Maybe she’s too young at 8 next week. Does anyone recall what the target age bracket is? (She has no such issues with The Phoenix, Hilda, Chibi Usagi, Zita, etc. But she’s said the same about Monster Fun twice now.)

Announcements / Re: Pandora Perfect - coming March 2023
« on: 25 June, 2022, 02:55:01 PM »
Interesting, but… skinny. What format is this? Judging by what’s going on over at Phoenix HQ, 2000 AD might want to rethink its trade sizes for kids. That smaller, chunkier one seems to be doing VERY well compared to the old skinny floppies (which were already smaller than standard trades).

Prog / Re: Prog 2287: Grinders Keepers!
« on: 25 June, 2022, 02:53:03 PM »
Yes. But I’d say previous series could have been safely watched by kids of the ages the leads are now portraying and possibly a little younger. But there’s no way in hell I’d want anyone under at least a mid-teen watching the current run. The nature of the horror is really nasty.

Also, on the kids reading comics thing, mini-IP today noticed my 2000 AD was “different”. I explained it was a Regened all-ages issue. Since she’d read her Beano and Lego Explorers, she gave me a bit of a look and I said she could read it. She’s now scuttled off with the comic. I will presumably get it back at some point. Interested to see what she things, TBH.

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 25 June, 2022, 02:22:34 PM »
Seriously, why are they bothering with Samantha Slade at all? It's the worst thing to appear in the prog since Rebellion took over.
I thought it was variable, albeit between readable and terrible. I know some folks here like it, but, yeah, it’s an odd one. Perhaps it’s a low-effort volume in the files being readily accessible and the brand (Sam Slade) appealing. Compare to, say, Armoured Gideon, which would have presumably required scanning/cleaning up and also isn’t well known at all.

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 25 June, 2022, 12:44:17 PM »
Hogan/Hughes would have been quite good in the Samantha Slade book, upping the quality level a bit.

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