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[TordelBack]

Confession:  I'd never even heard of Brian Haw and his protest until the Turner shortlist.  There you go.  

[LARF]

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Link: http://www.parliament-square.org.uk/about.html" target="_blank">Brian Haw website

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My problem with modern art (at least that which I've seen first hand in galleries in my admittedly-limited experience) is that a lot of it seems to be worthless without some pithy title next to it. So, you have a picture of a red square but it's called "Blue Circle" for example. Shouldn't art be of itself, rather than requiring an external reference to validate it?

I think people simply want to admire talent - whether it's a great acting performance, a stunning picture or that Welsh fella off of X Factor. Art which does not display the creator's talent in an obvious way will always risk being pilloried or rejected.

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[TordelBack]

Cheers for the link, larf.  What I meant was that I hadn't heard of Haw until the shortlist, but since have followed up on the whole sorry story.  So cheap chicanery or no, Wallinger achieved that much.  

[Matt Timson]

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[Matt Timson]

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[johnnystress]

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[LARF]

lol :-)

[Peter Wolf]

"From the sounds of things, a lot of tabloid toilet paper has come at this from the angle of the bear costume and the "art is shite" cheap shot, whilst studiously ignoring the anti-war angle. Funny, that. I wonder who owns those (news)papers. I wonder what message they're trying to get across?"

 Thats what i was saying.He shouldnt have done it in the first place as it detracts from the message.The papers will of course latch onto the dancing bear and not focus on the anti war message instead.


 Personally i think wallinger is a Prat.Sorry to get personal but i cant stand all these artists.I have no time for them and i am not going to be told that i have to like them or should like them by the broadsheets.Perhaps i am just "stupid" and missing the point.I dont know and i dont care either.Just not interested in Bollox.

 Square rimmed "intelligensia" Islington glasses.Nuff said.


 Give Brian Haw your prize money and all will be forgiven.


 I am just sick and tired of these conceptual artists like Wallinger.


 Like i said he could have chosen  *not* to do the bear routine but there is nothing like a good publicity stunt is there?


  Stupid Prick.


 


 

[Funt Solo]

I don't get it.  You're the first person to throw a wobbly when people take your words out of context, but when you get called on doing exactly the same thing, you still get to throw a wobbly, and call people "twat face" and "dick" into the bargain.

You're horribly abusive and a ridiculous hypocrite.  You also have a smarmy fan club.  Well done.

[LARF]

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[El Spurioso]

Without going into whether I think the piece has any value or not, a minor point that seems to have been missed:

The replica-tent thing was *not* a direct comment by the artist on the Iraq War.

The replica-tent thing *was* a direct comment by the artist on one man's actions (which happened to be a protest against the Iraq War.)

They overlap in all sorts of ways, of course, but even so: There's a big difference between the two.  

Claiming that the artist owes some sort of debt to the protestor, or is "stealing his thunder", or is simply repeating something that the protestor has said, would be like suggesting that Van Gogh owes a debt to All Sunflowers Everywhere, or that Piccasso should've left all his money to the soldiers who bombed Guernica, or that Andy Warhol should've paid millions to Campbell's Soup.

The "art" (whatever you may think of it) is not restricted to the subject, nor even to the way it's represented, but also lies in the choice to represent it in the first place.

[LARF]

Hear, hear.Well said. Now I know why you write books and I draw pictures.

[Tweak72]

I know, lets sign a loo and put it in a room and call it art. Bugger! Some clever bugger did it already. Cash, back slapping and Chapers for all!

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchamp" target="_blank">I blam the Dada movment for the decline of modern

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[Funt Solo]

::"The replica-tent thing was *not* a direct comment by the artist on the Iraq War."

This was, though: "Bring home the troops, give us back our rights, trust the people".